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Feeding Matters: Jaclyn Pederson's Journey to Recognition and Support for Pediatric Feeding Disorders
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Join us for an exploration of pediatric feeding challenges as we sit down with Jaclyn Pederson, the dynamic CEO of Feeding Matters. Through Jaclyn's personal journey and professional insights, we uncover the critical, yet often sidelined, issue of pediatric feeding disorders. In a world where validation for these struggles was once elusive, Feeding Matters has championed the recognition of pediatric feeding disorder as a standalone diagnosis, bringing a sense of acknowledgment and relief to countless families.
This episode is a treasure trove for parents and caregivers seeking to understand the intricacies of pediatric feeding disorders. We highlight the subtle signs and symptoms that may suggest a feeding issue, and the pivotal role of parental intuition in navigating these challenges. As Jaclyn shares, finding knowledgeable care can be daunting in this emerging field, but she offers encouragement and resources that empower parents to become strong advocates for their children. Feeding Matters equips families with tools to effectively communicate with healthcare providers, ensuring that they are heard and understood.
The conversation doesn't stop at identifying the problem. We delve into the empowering work Feeding Matters does to support families, from their comprehensive online resources to the Power of Two coaching program. This episode promises insights and support that can make a significant difference in the lives of children and families touched by feeding disorders.
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Jaclyn Pederson, MHI
A system thinker and positive team builder, she uses transformational leadership principles to develop energized and efficient workgroups that influence significant organizational and systemic change for all affected by pediatric feeding disorder –such as the development of the expanded PFD Alliance. Jaclyn also manages Feeding Matters’ strategic partnerships with numerous professional associations including American Speech-Language-Hearing Association (ASHA), American Society of Parenteral and Enteral Nutrition, and the North American Society for Pediatric Gastroenterology, Hepatology and Nutrition (NASPGHAN).
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Speaker 2:Hello, welcome to the Empowered by Hope podcast. We are thrilled to have you tuning in today. What's really exciting is we have an incredible guest with us, ms Jacqueline Peterson. She is the Chief Executive Officer of Feeding Matters, and what gets me really excited about today's topic, jacqueline, is that feeding matters the matters of feeding affect a whole bunch of our listeners. And then you have the data, so I won't throw out the stats, but I'll let you do that.
Speaker 2:But I do know that within the community of children with complex medical needs, there is a very heightened need for help with feeding, and I know I'm speaking from personal experience having a daughter with cleft lip and cleft palate. Of course, we were very affected with feeding challenges and continue to be, and probably will be for forever. So I love the mission that you have. I love the topic we're going to have today. Anyone who has a child who is having any challenges with feeding, stick with us. I think you're going to learn a lot.
Speaker 2:And what's really exciting about today is we've always said, ashlyn and I, with our work with Parent Empowerment Network, which was previously known as Charlotte's Hope Foundation, we are dedicated to shining light on other organizations that are doing amazing things for families out there, and so this is. You know, feeding Matters is one of those incredible nonprofits that just will benefit our community here at Parent Empowerment Network to know about. So, jacqueline, thank you for your time, thank you for joining us, and if you could just introduce yourself and Feeding Matters, we would love to get to know you.
Speaker 3:Wonderful Emily. Well, thank you so much for having me. So my story starts kind of in finding Feeding Matters. My background is in nonprofit management and healthcare innovation and systems change, and so I found Feeding Matters around 11 years ago, before I was married, before I had kids, any of that, but this organization was doing really amazing work. And Feeding Matters was founded 18 years ago, in 2006, by a woman named Shannon Goldwater, and Shannon had triplets who were born 14 weeks premature.
Speaker 3:In having children in the NICU and having children born premature and triplets, she knew that she had a long road ahead of her and was very realistic about what that looked like and what the needs and the accommodations and the support and the scaffolding that she would need to support her children growing. But what really kind of surprised her was how challenging feeding was and how it really wasn't paid attention to the same way some of the other medical conditions or comorbidities were when her children were seeking care, and so I mean, luckily enough, they were able to kind of go to different places around the country and try to get support. But in doing that, they also realized that a lot of people were doing very different things. They weren't talking with one another. There's still not, there's not a lot of education for professionals supporting families and children learning to eat, and there's like a lack of research too. And so it really was this aha for her that if she was, you know, just one mom in Arizona struggling that there were thousands, millions more like her out there and they had a healthcare system that needed support too. And so that created Feeding Matters. And we are a national nonprofit organization headquartered in Arizona, with international reach, and we try to support the entire system of care as it relates to feeding. And so that looks like supporting families who are going through this and really making sure they do not feel alone in the process, because it is so isolating. And then educating and supporting professionals because, like Shannon found, they don't get the education that they need and they still need a lot of support and access to information and education themselves. And then, on a broader scale, awareness and advocacy to make this field better and to advance this field. And that's kind of where things changed a little bit for Feeding Matters history.
Speaker 3:And so, coming back to my story, as I was growing, growing with the organization, we were, you know, trying to share how important it was to pay attention to, like feeding struggles, and that's what we called it feeding struggles, feeding struggles, but the medical field called it feeding disorders, feeding differences, growth faltering, failure to thrive in some cases, feeding differences, feeding difficulties, feeding differences, feeding difficulties, feeding problems, feeding struggles.
Speaker 3:And so it was like all of these different terms I've even heard like fussy feeding, all of these different terms but they were all saying the same thing.
Speaker 3:They were saying this child is having trouble eating in a way that is different than we are expecting them to hit their feeding milestones, and so that led Shannon to have a great vision, which is that this needs to be a standalone condition. This is something that people are not paying attention to, like it's a condition. They are assuming it's just a symptom of something else that you have to deal with. And while it may be a symptom or caused by something else, it does not necessarily mean that it doesn't need the full team around it and it needs diagnostic language and education for it and research for it. And so that led this long journey of us bringing together professionals from across the world, and we had a consensus meeting declaring pediatric feeding disorder a standalone condition, and so that was published in 2019. And then that diagnosis and conceptual framework. We also then advocated to the CDC in the United States to make sure that pediatric feeding disorder became a standalone in its own diagnostic code. And that was huge, because it really was validating.
Speaker 3:It was validating for families that, like, had just been told either their child was a piggy eater or, yeah, they've got complex medical conditions, so they're going to have some feeding problems with it. Like, no, they have complex medical conditions and a comorbidity to that is pediatric feeding disorder. And so the definition of pediatric feeding disorder is when a child really isn't eating appropriate for age, and it's. That could look many different ways, but it's. You know, can you drop your child off at preschool and not say anything and then be fine, which is not the case for so many families. And so the way we look at it as well is holistically, in the sense that they may not be eating appropriate for age and they may be having trouble in the medical domain, the feeding skill domain, the psychosocial domain or the nutrition domain, and those domains all interact. So if we're not feeling well, we're going to be doing some behaviors that try to communicate that we're in pain when we're eating. Or if we don't have the skills to eat, it may look like we are avoiding food because it hurts. And so what we know is that when eating is hard, it hurts or it's scary, it's not picky eating and it could be pediatric feeding disorder.
Speaker 3:There's also broader other diagnoses too. As children get older, cognition takes over a little bit more, and that's when it does become a little bit more psychosocially driven, and that's where we see another feeding disorder called ARFID avoidant, restrictive food intake disorder where we see another feeding disorder called ARFID avoidant, restrictive food intake disorder. And so on the younger side it ends up being PFD and that kind of spans the whole childhood. But as children grow up and they are entering social situations and other things like that, that's when it turns into ARFID. But so we're here as an organization to support families, to support professionals and then to really kind of advance this field, because there still needs to be research, there still needs to be education, we still need to make sure our pediatricians are asking more than just a quick question about feeding when we're in our well visits and so much more. So that's kind of like our history and then.
Speaker 3:So I took over this role in the middle of the pandemic and I had already had one. I had already had one kid and he was seven months old when I took over, but he taught me how much parents just like don't get told of anything about feeding. So we have a lot to do in this field in general, and then two years ago I had my son, george, and he had early feeding struggles as well, and so it kind of fits in that chronic PFD frame. But I felt lucky enough to have the resources and it just goes to show, like, with the work that you're doing and trying to empower us as parents to advocate for the care that we need and the care that our kids need, I felt lucky that I had a lot of resources to help me do that and hopefully I can share more resources with your community about feeding.
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh, amazing. I have written about five questions and directions. I could go from here and any parent who's listening, who has walked this journey with feeding challenges, is, I'm sure, just like, yes, yes, oh my gosh, this is amazing. And what I want to just really quickly take a pause and just appreciate is Shannon and Feeding Matters efforts to name the condition, because putting a name on something is so powerful and I could go on an entire tangent about this and I won't but it's so powerful for so many reasons.
Speaker 2:First off, like you said, it validates the parents understanding and knowledge of like. This is not normal, this is not working and what are we going to do about it. It also allows a medical team to rally around and get really specific about the care and then, if we're really talking practical, it allows insurance to cover things. It's I mean, it's just it's astronomically huge. So what you guys have done is just amazing and I'm so grateful and I feel blessed that you did that work before I had my daughter, because no doubt it benefited us as we were navigating all these feeding challenges through oral surgeries as an infant and et cetera. So just absolutely amazing. So thank you for what you do, thank you.
Speaker 2:So, oh my gosh, yes. So if I'm a listener, how do I know if my child might have pediatric feeding disorder? Now, granted, I say that tongue in cheek because most parents know before they know.
Speaker 3:They know before they exactly. Well, that was the first thing I said. Oftentimes, you before you, before any other professional knows, because we know our kids best. Most of the time it's so. There there is the diagnosis itself, which is, if a child's been struggling for more than two weeks with feeding, then and they have dysfunction in any one of those four domains, and it gets a little bit deeper in those domains. But essentially on the medical side, if they're aspirating or they've got different things like that, that then can impact the other domains.
Speaker 3:So a lot of times we see like undiagnosed medical conditions and undiagnosed medical condition doesn't necessarily qualify you for a PFD diagnosis but that is the reason that your child is in pain. And they may be showing that, you know, batting at the bottle or trying to push it away, or their lips turning blue, like there are many different signs that our children are giving us that feeding is painful. And then on the feeding skill side, it takes us seven years to learn how to eat and even longer to refine those skills, and I think that's a longer time period than even in early feeding matters. History we realized, but we don't think of, like our six-year-olds, as still learning to eat. And so it just goes to show that if there is any delay in that progression, then we do need a little bit of extra support, and that may be support with developing our feeding skills. Or, you know, if there is any sort of other comorbidity and medical condition that either affects their anatomy or their tone or any other thing, it may put us back on that development of feeding. And that's the thing that I think people don't realize is we're used to trying to see the milestones, we're used to trying to see when is our child, if our child will hit any milestones, and we're not used to hearing about feeding milestones. We're not. You know, we get really prepared to try to breastfeed if it's possible, but beyond that you just see children having messy food around. You don't see that there is a progression of feeding skills and those need to be developed and refined over time if it's possible, and for everybody it's not possible. And that's why there's also feeding tubes that are so helpful for families, especially with children with complex medical needs, because feeding tubes can be life-saving and they're very important. And so that's kind of on the feeding skill side.
Speaker 3:But what I guess I would share with the family is you do know if something's wrong. We have questions on our website. We have, like, we have a really long questionnaire and then we have a six question questionnaire that asks you questions about like how long is mealtime, because if it's too short or if it's too long, that may be an indicator that we've got to look a little bit closer. Are they giving you any signs that they're hungry? And the last question on that six questions are are you worried? And that has shown through research to be one of the biggest indicators that something needs to be looked at and we need to dive deeper into what may be the reason that this behavior around feeding is showing up. And you know, as we look at pediatric feeding disorder in the framework, what can we support to help?
Speaker 2:Wow, okay, I love that. You just said, if I heard you right, that research shows the best indicator is if the parent is worried, did I?
Speaker 3:understand that right. It's one of the questions. So our questionnaire has been researched and we really identified what were the particular questions that best indicated that there was feeding it was prior to pediatric feeding disorder being in diagnosis, but best indicated that there was a feeding problem present that we needed to look at further. And the question there's six, but one of them is that and that I did show a high. There's six, but one of them is that and that I did show a high. And that's what it is is.
Speaker 3:Parents know that something's wrong and oftentimes we are just trying to articulate that something is wrong in a way that we are heard and listened to and respected sometimes, and so that's also like.
Speaker 3:A lot of the resources that we have at Feeding Matters are to help you do that as a parent, to help you advocate. We have many different resources on our website that allow you to have a meaningful conversation with a provider. If a provider isn't listening to you, you can use this information to share with them. I'm you know I think something might be wrong or I think it might be pediatric feeding disorder. Or I found this nonprofit. You know, I think something might be wrong or I think it might be pediatric feeding disorder, or I found this nonprofit like that. That information is really helpful because it takes away. It takes away the emotion and while that's not, it's not bad to have emotions. We are all emotional about our, our children, especially children with complex medical needs, but sometimes, when we're trying to engage in conversations with physicians and other providers, it can help to be able to talk in their language, I guess.
Speaker 2:Objectively. Yep, yep, absolutely. That's amazing.
Speaker 2:Well, I just I zeroed in on that because it's so validating to us parents that you know, you do know, and if you are worried, you have every right and responsibility and are highly encouraged to pursue that until you're no longer worried. Well, yeah, exactly, until it's addressed. I mean, you might still be worried because of whatever the result is, but at least until it's addressed effectively, right and so? So if I'm a parent who is looking to address this, I have learned in my journey we have over 20 specialists involved. Sometimes half the battle is talking to the right provider, right. So who are the like? What are the titles of providers? I'm imagining pediatrician is step one, but who are the right people to talk to about this? Who would be have the education you're talking about to help escalate it and and figure out what to do next?
Speaker 3:Yeah, that ends up being the tough part, because this is still such an emerging field that it is unfortunately. It shouldn't be this way, but unfortunately, if you are trying to get help, you may be talking to a provider where you would expect them to have this information, expect them to have this type of education, but unless they have done the work themselves to seek this out or to do continuing education, it may be very difficult for them to better understand and better support you as a parent. So I just like say that as a general disclaimer, but definitely starting with a pediatrician, hopefully you're being listened to within that setting and then they often exist as your medical home and send you to. Because the domain is so like, because feeding disorder in general has so many different domains and they are very complex and feeding is complex in general, it can be hard to say we need to do this one thing as your first step, because your first step is really getting a better understanding of what's happening in the different domains what's happening medically, what's happening in feeding skill, what's happening in psychosocial and what's happening in nutrition, and that then allows you to prioritize.
Speaker 3:If there is something in the medical domain that is causing pain. We need to deal with that before we do any type of feeding therapy. So what I will say is that sometimes pediatricians automatically refer to feeding therapy and feeding therapy can be very helpful in the right circumstance. But we do need to make sure that either the pediatrician or the feeding therapist that we're referred to has a good understanding of the pediatric feeding disorder conceptual framework to be able to know the different domains, because that's really important that we're not progressing with feeding therapy when we still have pain there. And so that's why it's so oftentimes you're referred to a feeding therapist and that can look like a speech language pathologist or an occupational therapist, sometimes a physical therapist. It really is dependent on where you exist and what exists in your community, and then, while the pediatrician is often the medical home of navigating all of these different specialty appointments, we do see that sometimes it does fall to that feeding therapist. So, as long as they're aware of the conceptual framework of PFD in the different domains, then they can understand. Okay.
Speaker 3:As a feeding therapist, I know I need to talk with our family about have they done any sort of medical testing or are there any indicators that there is something medical there and so they could potentially take you through that multi-domain assessment and just trying to understand what may we need to look in a little bit deeper, other specialties in the different domains we've got in the medical domain. You've got a gastroenterologist If we're constipated or we've got low motility or we've got something happening in our GI tract that allows us to be not hungry because we're full or nauseous or sick. It's not, we're not going to want to eat. So we've got to understand is everything working the way it's supposed to or do we need extra support? Or are there undiagnosed things like allergies or eosinophilic esophagitis and so we definitely want a GI involved if there's those indicators and oftentimes that ends up being the undiagnosed indicators.
Speaker 3:And then other specialties you could get into allergists, pulmonologists, a lot of aerodigestive clinics get involved, depending on the complexity, and that makes it challenging to access care. As long you know, depending on where you are, if you're in more of a city environment, you're able to go to general hospitals that have the different programs and hopefully those programs are working together instead of in silos. But those are, those are some of the. I mean and I imagine you're in your community are very comfortable with all of the different appointments and scheduling and all of that that ends up burdening families in terms of doing all the administrative things to get to these appointments. That mean a lot, and the unfortunate thing is you do sit on wait lists, and so that's why it is really important to get ahead of it if you do think something is going wrong, especially with feeding.
Speaker 2:It's not something that's not.
Speaker 3:Especially with feeding, because your feeding is not because you're feeding. Milestones matter and we're not. We're building those experiences over time. Like it takes us seven years to learn the skills, but in those seven years we're also mapping in our brain and developing our relationship with how we feel about mealtimes. And if those are seven years, that's very challenging. That's going to teach us a lot later, Right?
Speaker 2:Oh man, yes, Okay. So if you're a listener and you're just super overwhelmed right now cause you're like, I know there's a problem but I don't know where to start and how to get help. First off, I just want to, oh go ahead.
Speaker 3:Go ahead. I'm so sorry. I forgot dietitian. You know like dietitian and psychologist. I forgot the other domains dietitian and psychologist.
Speaker 2:I forgot the other domains dietitian and psychologist and a social worker those are oftentimes other people that are pulled in Okay, and you know, and in some cases the mom and dad or caregiver really might not know like have any indication of the root cause of PFD for their child. However, I think in many cases you probably do have an inkling of you know. Oh, I think you know she. She seems to be having trouble with swallowing or she seems to be having. You know she's, she's having trouble having regular stooling, she, whatever you know, like you generally as a parent have a good idea and in some cases you don't, because it's it's such a a rare or, um you know, kind of different type of situation. But I love that you listed off the different specialties because as a parent who's listening, you can think through and go.
Speaker 2:You know what I really need to call a pulmonologist or I need to ask my pediatrician to talk about should I have a GI specialist? The other thing I've learned in our journey if you have an overarching diagnosis, like in our case, it's Hardikar, which there's no such thing as a Hardikar clinic at all, but we have a complex care provider and they are very used to feeding disorders and challenges, and so for me I think if I was starting this journey now, I would probably start there with my complex care pediatrician probably not my general peds, though he's delightful. I'd probably start there with my complex care pediatrician probably not my general peds, though he's delightful. I'd probably go to the complex care doc and say, hey, we're having you know, help me to triage this which direction do I go Right For some developmental pediatrician could do that too.
Speaker 2:Yes, developmental pediatrician is a great one. Yes, I have found half the battle in this really complex. I chuckled when you said, hopefully it's not too siloed, because, oh man, we live in a very siloed medical community and I've found that, honestly, half my job as a medical care provider of my child is to figure out how to triage and who to go to to talk to about what Right, and so sometimes the battle is just talking about it. Until you talk to the right person, just keep talking.
Speaker 3:Yep, that's the power in being a parent, too is. It's unfortunate that you have to do that type of advocacy, but you are your child's advocate and you are your your advocate for yourself too, cause feeding is a diet. It's both of you in this, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, cause as you're listing these, these different specialties, I'm thinking you know almost all of our like. For us, our, our eating challenges was everything. It was the cleft clinic team, it was pulmonology, it was GI, it was psychosocial for sure, because she had so many oral pain, so much oral pain as a child, gosh, there's so many different angles to it. So I just I'm so grateful for what you do and for this incredible resource that we now get to provide for our parents. So if we have listeners who would like to receive more support, tell us how we can lean into Feeding Matters, your resources. I know you said there's lots on your website which I believe is feedingmattersorg, so just kind of walk us through what parents should do to connect with you.
Speaker 3:Sure. So the easiest way is social media at Feeding Matters. We do share some resources there, but then if you are, and you for sure know that something is going on and you need additional support, on our website we have an orange get help button and that takes you to our family support roadmap, which is a roadmap to accessing a lot of our different resources. So it starts with those six questions. That says okay, is there an indication that we need to look a little bit further? And then it leads into a few different programs that we have. So one of those is a family guide that really takes you through kind of like the 101 of pediatric feeding disorder. What are common tests? How do you take care of yourself as a parent? Let me tell you about the different domains in detail. And what does accessing care look like? Because it is so challenging to access care and there still needs to be a lot of education for professionals. And then we have a provider directory on our website where you can try to find providers that support feeding. And what's nice is, if it's a provider that's on Feeding Matters Directory, they at least are aware of pediatric feeding disorder and that conceptual framework to be able to understand. Are there medical things that are impacting what is showing up in the psychosocial domain and Provider Directory, many different resource library options. We have videos, we have handouts, we have insurance appeal letters, different recipes and books and just a slew of different information that supports you in your journey.
Speaker 3:But one thing that is the biggest support is our Power of Two parent coaching program. And I don't know about you, emily, but I know that I have heard from so many of our families in the sense that it's incredibly isolating and you have people who just don't get it and they're well-meaning individuals around you but they just don't understand. You know what's going on and we've heard families share with us that. You know they've been told give them chocolate. They'll eat chocolate Like all kids love chocolate.
Speaker 3:We've had families tell us like their, their parents were well-meaning but they said, oh, give them to me for a weekend and I'll get them to eat, and it's like, yeah, you won't, these children will not eat and you can't like that and shouldn't force them to.
Speaker 3:And so talking with someone who's walked the journey before you is very meaningful and it allows you to have a safe space to share. These are coaches that have been trained and have a lot of information and support, and the program is built to be a very trauma-informed program because all of our families have gone through trauma, feeding in of itself and the complexity around it, especially our families with complex medical needs. That is a traumatic journey and so we do our best to support you in the ways that you need support and be that listening ear, be that access to information, be that support and preparation before an appointment to gear up for an appointment that you've been really looking forward to, to be able to get some answers. So we're here to walk this journey besides you, so you don't feel like it's a journey you're doing all alone that is amazing okay.
Speaker 2:so it's funny how I kind of just forget these things until we have podcast guests that remind me of our past in a good way. I remember it was our third at least third oral surgery. She was, charlotte, was only a year old and we were sent home. It was for her cleft palate and we were sent home with syringe feeding. And Jacqueline I don't know if you've ever tried to feed an infant. She must've been six months old, anyway. I don't know if you've ever tried to feed an infant. She must have been six months old, anyway. I don't know if you've ever tried to feed an infant with a syringe.
Speaker 2:But it is excuse my language hell. It is hell. And to do it on top of already having all this backlog of feeding trauma for her and for us as the parents. And I remember just basically banging down the walls of any provider who would listen to help me to figure out how do I not screw up the surgery we just did and also get my child to eat without it being a screaming fest for an hour, and literally holding this child down and trying to help her breathe through it.
Speaker 2:And, oh my gosh, it was just, it was trauma. What is a very good way to put it. Yes, so I can only imagine how amazing having your resource would have been at that time, and I'm just thrilled that we can share you with our listeners so that if anybody who's listening is thinking, oh man, I could really use help in this area. And now you know where to go and how to access that support and, honestly, I'm going to go to your website and fill out that survey because I'm sure we still have residual issues. I've just gotten so used to it that I just keep rolling.
Speaker 3:Honestly, emily, that's what happens, and there's nothing wrong with that happening, because you have so many built up experiences of a lot of pain and trauma around feeding and kind of like, either shove it down, put it aside, or it becomes your new normal. You know, as our families are doing extraordinary things to make sure their children are growing, they're feeding them through the night or they're feeding them an ounce through a syringe at a time, and that becomes your new normal, until you're kind of pulled out of it and realize, oh my gosh, like this isn't, this isn't how it should be, like we need extra support, and so hopefully we can support you through that and support you finding the right access to care, because this is still just such a new condition in such a new field that it's it needs all of the support that that you can get.
Speaker 2:Yeah Well, Jacqueline, we are so grateful for your work and your team's work in this area. We know that it's already positively impacted our whole community and it's only gonna get stronger. So we will make sure we provide all the links to connect with Jacqueline and Feeding Matters in the show notes for this podcast. And just thank you so much for your time. So those of you who are listening go to feedingmattersorg, and you can also find Jacqueline and their team at Feeding Matters on social media.
Speaker 3:Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2:Thank you for coming.
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