Bible Study for Beginners - 3 Simple Tips with Sara Schaffer

Are you not sure how to start reading the Bible? Sara Schaffer shares 3 Bible study tips you can use right now. If you are a beginner in Bible study, these tips will help you to study and understand God’s Word.

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00:17 - Ruth Hovsepian (Host)
Welcome my friends to Out of the Darkness. Today my guest is Sara Schaffer and I was introduced to her just a little while ago and we were fortunate enough to kind of maybe bond over a book that she just released, six Ways to Sunday. Sara is a speaker and an author and, as I mentioned, she just released a new book, six Ways to Sunday. It is Bible study techniques for anyone and this is a great little book and you know the size of it is doable. Those were intimidated by large size books, but this little book has a lot of punch to it and welcome Sarah. 

01:03 - Sara Schaffer (Guest)
Hi, glad to be here. 

01:05 - Ruth Hovsepian (Host)
I'm so glad that you're here. I really would love to you know, just dive in and talk about Bible study techniques and why Bible studies are important to us, and you know how we should structure them Before we get into the techniques of it. You know why do you think that Bible studies are important in the life of a believer? 

01:34 - Sara Schaffer (Guest)
About 16 years ago I was in a Bible study one of those that was like a video driven study, and one of the things that the person on the video said is, if you're tired of your Christian walk kind of being on again, off again with God or where you're close to him and then you're not so close to him, the key is to read the Bible every day and pray every day. 

01:58
I mean, it was just that simple, but it was something about the way it was said by that teacher that just hit my heart really directly. 

02:08
And right after that we moved across country and I just had the sense that God was saying let's step it up. And Hebrews 6 really talks about if you don't mind if I look down and read it here, of course, please. It says, therefore, let us leave the elementary doctrine of Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again foundation and he goes on talking about all these foundations. But having tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, like he's talking about, once we taste that, we develop a hunger for it, and so that was my prayer like God, make me hungry to be in your word every day, because I know that is the one thing. And you know what, for the last almost 17 years I would say not me, but God has been faithful to draw me into the word every single day, under all sorts of different life circumstances. He has been faithful to do that. 

03:05 - Ruth Hovsepian (Host)
And you know I agree with you. I grew up in a Christian environment, in a church, and never understood the difference between a Bible study other than, you know, every week, you know, during the week, you would go for a Bible study at the church. I never understood what a personal study meant and you know, I maybe did devotions on and off. I was not the best reader, you know I. Every so often I would challenge myself. You got to read the whole Bible and I did, but it was more of, you know, a drudged, you know, like it was just something that I did because I had to do and what were people going to say? But you know, when I committed to the Lord, you know, eight, nine years ago, it was a slow growth for me and then suddenly it hit me and there was that aha moment that there is a place and time, you know, to read through the Bible. And that's what I'm doing this year. I'm trying to read the whole Bible this month in January, in one shot, as I would a book, as I would a novel, and I said to myself, why can I sit and read 900 pages of a novel or a book, but I don't dedicate that time to the Word of God. So, anyway, that's my challenge. But then I began to differentiate between devotion time and Bible study time and that was that moment where I went oh, I get it now. 

04:45
And the importance of really studying the Word of God for myself, to prepare myself for the times where I needed the Holy Spirit speaking to me during those difficult times. So you know, I'm I am a very big proponent now of really digging into the Word of God and studying. Now, having said that, it kind of is off putting for some people. They don't know where to start, what to do. If you, you know, if I came to you and I said, sarah, I really want to study the Word of God, I don't know where to start. What would be your advice to me? 

05:36 - Sara Schaffer (Guest)
Well, I would ask what stories are you familiar with? You know, what have you heard? And if you're familiar with you know Christmas, or you're familiar with Easter. Well then, let's start with some of those stories and go and read what the Bible actually says about Jesus. I think that you know. A lot of people talk about starting in the book of John, which is great, but I think the book of Mark is even nicer because it's got a really quick pace to it and if you want to get through the story of Jesus from beginning to end in a very succinct fashion, the book of Mark is a great place to start. So, you know, I think it's helpful just to say what are you already familiar with? What can we start with and then connect that to the scripture? 

06:26 - Ruth Hovsepian (Host)
itself. 

06:28 - Sara Schaffer (Guest)
Find out more about Christmas. Find out more about what was Good Friday, why do some churches have this thing called Monday, thursday? You know that kind of thing. 

06:38 - Ruth Hovsepian (Host)
It's interesting. You said that because you know, in the beginning I would say, okay, I'm going to study, I don't know this chapter or this, and I would focus in on that. And then, you know, with trial and error, I said to myself this doesn't make sense. I need to read the whole book and then I'll come back and I will study it. And so that has become my practice. It doesn't matter what I'm studying or if I'm preparing a Bible study for others. What I do is I read the full book and then I come back to. You know, a certain section, a certain verse or a certain topic that I'm studying. I've come to understand that we cannot focus on a verse or a chapter without seeing the full context of what the author or the writer of that book is is intending for us. You know, sometimes we take and I'm sure you've seen this, sarah, where we take verses out of context to suit our point of view, our argument, but we need the full picture. 

07:58 - Sara Schaffer (Guest)
Exactly. I had somebody just this last year say you know, it does say in the Bible that there is no God. But the full context of the verses, a full, says in his heart there is no God. 

08:13
So you could totally take that out of context and say this is what the Bible says, and yet you have to know what it, what's the full context of it. Just as it would be totally unfair for you to take this podcast and take a little snippet of something I say and pull it out of context. It's certainly unfair to do that to the word of God. 

08:35 - Ruth Hovsepian (Host)
Yeah, I'm in agreement with you, we need to really focus in on the context of what is being written, to whom it was being written. And I think you know, I think one of the most important things that we can do when we are, when we are looking at a book, you know, for example, you know if we were to take a letter that Paula wrote to the churches, who was he writing to? Where were they? Who were these people? And I think sometimes, yes, it's great to take a Bible verse or a Bible you know a section of it to apply it to our lives, but how can I apply it to my life when I do not know in what context it was written in? Who was it written to? What was what was their Achilles heel right and what were they dealing with? I think that these are things that we need to take into consideration. 

09:39 - Sara Schaffer (Guest)
For sure. Well, one of the things that I think I use it as an example in the book, even when I'm talking about the dangers of topical studies, is that that it's it's something that's, I think, a legitimate way to study the Bible. But it's so important that we don't just take a scripture and use it to our means, but rather we always, always, approach the scripture and let it speak to us first. And so I think the example I use is Jeremiah 2911, which a lot of people will put on graduation cards and you see it on magnets and it says you know, I know the plans I have for you, says the Lord plans for the future and hope. But what he's saying it through Jeremiah, he's talking to people who are in captivity, they are in Babylon, and what he's telling them is you need to plan to be in this culture, in this culture that is not your own, and know that I still have plans to prosper you. 

10:37
And God has a long view of what prosperity is. He has a long view of success and a very different definition than we would of what that means for us. For them, it meant getting back to Jerusalem, right, and God's saying no, no, no, I have plans to prosper you right where you are, which I think is good news to us who live in a very dark culture right now, so we can take that and apply that in North America and say, yeah, our culture is, is really dark, but God's saying I still have plans in the future and a hope for you. 

11:10 - Ruth Hovsepian (Host)
Yeah, I don't want to get stuck on this, but you know it's, I think it there's. There's something to be said about that particular verse being used out of context, especially now, you know, with a prosperity message that has really you know I was going to say infiltrated, but it hasn't infiltrated, it's actually drowning. You know the churches and believers with that mentality of prosperity and you know that is that is taking a verse out of total, out of context. Right, and I believe in prosperity from Christ, but my prosperity is very different than what is being, you know, taught in that prosperity message. My prosperity is being filled with hope and seeing a future with the Lord and having peace in my life when everything around me is, you know, topsy turvy. That is what a prosperity should look like for a believer knowing where you are destined, you know when you, when you arrive at you know at the end of your life on earth, what is the next stage. Not monetary, you know, and I, I sometimes, and I know that's not what we're talking about, but I wonder sometimes, with this out of context verse, if that is the case, why did Jesus not have a place to lay his head? Why did he rely on others, people on other people's charity, to even have the last supper they went. They got a room from someone else. They borrowed a donkey. 

13:03
This is I don't get it. I don't get it. I don't say that you know we, we should live in poverty. No, god, you know we work, we are blessed. You know God wants us to, I believe, have a life here on earth and use it for his glory. But taking it out of context is what we are doing. We're really bastardizing these, these concepts that you know are in the word of God but are totally taken out of, out of context. Yeah, I totally agree. So let's actually go into some some things that you know. In preparation for a Bible study, what can I do? What tools do I need, you know, do I need a library of concordances and theological books? How? How can I prepare myself to study the Word of God? 

14:06 - Sara Schaffer (Guest)
The most important thing you need is a willingness, and that can come. Maybe you don't even feel willing, but you want to feel willing to do Bible study and that just comes from prayer and confessing and telling God the truth. And I don't even mean like confessing, like you don't have to apologize to God for how you feel. You can just say I think this is something you're calling me to do. I just I don't really want to or I'm not really. It doesn't really excite me to think about getting into the Word of God. I mean, whatever you're feeling about it, I would just start with being honest with God, go in prayer and ask Him to make your heart hungry for the Word. So that's the first thing you need is a hungry heart. Obviously, the second thing you need is a Bible, which, thank goodness, despite the darkness of our culture, you can still get anywhere and most people probably have at least a few in their own home and definitely there are some for free on your phone. So you need a Bible. That's the second thing you need. And I think some people can get really hung up on translation and my just quick thought on that is it doesn't matter if you're opening any Bible. You're ahead of the game already, so you've got to open the book. But I think we get scared to open the book because we know it's going to change us, we know it's going to challenge us, we know it's going to transform us. So, a willy heart, you need a Bible. 

15:27
And then the reason I wrote this little handbook, like you showed earlier, is because I think people don't know where to start. And it's been interesting because the first one I have in here is called Fly and it's actually a really old technique. There's no new ideas out there, but I just put it in my own words, where, basically, you're going through and you're looking at the facts, you're looking at the lessons and then you're looking at how it applies to you. So what is your response? So those are just the three things, and you can take any amount of scripture you want for that. So, like you said, maybe you read the whole book of Philippians, but then you want to focus in on a verse like Philippians 4-8 that tells you to think on things that are honorable and excellent and that kind of thing, and so you go through and you just look at that. 

16:13
Okay, who, what, when, where, why? Who is talking Paul? Who is he talking to? The church in Philippi? Why is he writing to them? You know, and you just kind of answer those questions like you're an investigative reporter and so you just need again, what are you doing there? Well, you're really just the tool. The biggest tool is your willingness to read it and your willingness to dive in. Like I said, this is a tool you can use. And then the other thing, and you don't need this particular journal, but and I just have to tell everybody, since you didn't say, ruth is the one who did the design, isn't it awesome? It's so cool. I just love the design of this. 

16:52
I love the fact that you did the journal with the guy, so that's well, yeah, and here, I know it's old fashioned and I know I'm not as young as everybody else, but I love how she did this. And some people actually bought the journal instead of the study book first. And I had a friend who's 16, maybe 15, who said, mrs Schaefer, you know there are no words in your book. And I said that's because you bought the journal. That's cute. And you go, oh, and I've had a couple other people tell me that. 

17:25
So anyway, you don't have to buy my journal, you don't have to buy my book. You can just get any piece of paper out of your printer and a pencil or a pen and sit down with your Bible and just start asking those questions who, what, when, where, why. And the reason to write it down is because, as you're writing, you're gonna get these aha moments that are gonna wait a minute. You know, like even I walk through Psalm 23, which is a really familiar Psalm, but the Lord is my shepherd. It doesn't say the Lord is a shepherd or the shepherd or one shepherd, he's my shepherd. Well, why did God use that word? You know, because he's a personal God, and so you have these aha moments that draw you closer to God, as you're writing things down, so the question I'm way off, sort of. 

18:14 - Ruth Hovsepian (Host)
That's okay. 

18:15 - Sara Schaffer (Guest)
But you need a willing heart. You start with prayer. You get a Bible any Bible, just open a Bible. You can do it. Open that app, open the book, get a piece of paper or journal or whatever. Maybe get an outside tool to kind of walk you through it. If you want, get a writing implement of some sort and write it down. Now, if it's easier for you to take notes on your laptop, go ahead and totally do that, or if it's easier to do it on your phone. But I just think there's something about writing with our hand that for me it's like it releases something in my brain as I'm longhand writing it. 

18:52 - Ruth Hovsepian (Host)
Yeah, I agree with you, Longhand writing is for me as well. That's how I write my books as well, longhand, and then it goes into the computer. It makes me stop and think. And you know I say the same thing about doing the studying. I struggled with it because there are different ways. You know, like everybody has different charts and you know different forms and journals, and I love starting off with those. But I think that the more we study the word of God on our own, we create our own style of studying. You know, as you said, we're not reinventing anything. We're just taking pieces of what we are learning and, you know, using those as a tool and implementing it. And that's what I found as well. 

19:47
Now I like to, you know, get into the background of, as I said, the background of that book. Who wrote it, why was it written, where was it going and who was it aimed for? What was the, you know, historic? And I know some people will say well, you're overthinking it. Just read it and the word of God will speak to you. Yes, those are times where you're struggling. You open the word of God and it speaks to you. I truly believe. You know the Holy Spirit will direct you. But when we're studying the word of God and I'm talking about studying, and that's what I wanna emphasize that's what it means studying it, looking at it, taking it, you know, apart. And the other thing, sarah, that I found in my personal Bible study is, as I've been going through the word of God fully, from Genesis through to revelations and I joke about it including numbers, you know you read all of it. 

20:55
Including all of it. And you know, the first few times I was like because I kind of read it out loud. That's how my brain works, I need to focus, so I read it out loud, otherwise my brain goes somewhere else. Anyway, and I, you know, not being able to pronounce things in the, you know, when you're in the King, you know in the book of Kings, or that was the first few times. But now I'm starting to see this whole connection throughout it, right? So when we're reading, for example, the book of John and it's referring out to, you know, quoting a verse, well, you know that that, wait a minute, I read that verse. Where did I read it? Oh, it came from the book of Psalms. There's a connection. Why was it being? You know, recor, I think this is what we miss the context of it, the references within it is because we don't know the Bible as a whole. Right, we just pick and choose. 

22:11 - Sara Schaffer (Guest)
Well, and when you start reading it holistically, like that, I got a Bible I don't know if it was on purpose or by accident and I don't know if you can see, but it doesn't have any like. It doesn't have a middle version where it gives you the cross-references. So, as I went through, because I challenged myself, I think it took me two years to go through the whole Bible because I was writing in my own cross-references. 

22:35
So I would get to a place I wouldn't know where it is and obviously sometimes I'd cheat and go to another Bible that would tell me where the cross-reference was, but it was kind of a fun challenge to say do I remember where this was in the Old Testament? 

22:51
Because the Old Testament is referred to so often. You can hardly go through a page on your Bible without some sort of Old Testament reference or some sort coming up and it's fun to see. I picture it as like this, sewing back and forth you know, how God's just knitting the whole story together and it's just this woven whole piece like you're saying. 

23:13 - Ruth Hovsepian (Host)
it's beautiful, yeah, and it also solidifies the fact that the Bible is the breath of God. Right, because why would they be quoting the Old Testament if it wasn't or if they weren't talking about events from the past, and I think that is important. And I think this one of the things that I'm really trying to get into more is understanding the environment of that time. Now, when you're a new believer, you're already struggling just to intake everything. But I think as we become, you know when time passes and as believers I have heard this now several times, actually in the last, I don't know, four or five months, I was told by long time believers. You know I've read the Bible. 

24:14
I'm at the point now I struggled to read it on a daily basis, and my encouragement to them is every time you pick up the word of God, there is something in there that you had not seen and they're like but how can that be? This is, you know, I'm the same. I'm reading it, I'm listening to it and my response to that and maybe I wanna hear your take on it also my take on it is that, as we read it for the second and third and fourth and, god willing, the 20th and the 30th time, I'm at a different place in my life, whether I'm older, whether my socio-economic situation is different, whether my relationships are different and the maturity I've gained. From the first 19 times I've read it, I am seeing something different. I'm being you know, I'm reaping something different from it which I wouldn't have seen on the first time through because I was at a different place. So that is my take on why we do this day in and day out. How would you reply to someone who says I've read it so many times already? 

25:46 - Sara Schaffer (Guest)
I would say have you really? First of all because I just I find the more I read it, the more I want to read it. 

25:54
It's like one of those things where you just fall in love and you almost I wouldn't go as far as to say addicted, that's not the right word but where you're just drawn and you just are longing for that. And not that I've never gone through a point or a period of time where I'm not as excited about it, but I would say there's something like when you're so, here's my, I'm going to back it up. I would say, okay, you've read the Bible once, twice, four times, whatever. Has it ever read you? I? 

26:25 - Ruth Hovsepian (Host)
like that. Are you letting the Bible? 

26:26 - Sara Schaffer (Guest)
read you? Are you approaching it as something with just your mind? Are you approaching it with something with just your heart, or are you putting hands and feet to what you're reading? How are you do? I mean, if you have really read all this stuff and you have got it down, well, god bless you, but nobody's got it all down. Let it read you and then you know. 

26:49
The other thing that I would say is that it is the living word, and if you're reading it anew, like you just beautifully explained, we're always in a new spot. But the word is alive. The word breathes life and so it speaks to us. The very same scripture can speak life to us in different ways, because it's got the power of the Holy Spirit and the living God within it. So that would be my response to somebody, my husband. It's just been interesting how God did this for us, but he got an iPod years ago, so like I don't even remember 2010. I mean, it was early on with the whole. It wasn't the earliest iPods, but it was one of the iPods and I had no idea that him getting an iPod would mean that he's suddenly in the scripture every day. 

27:43
And this is just another thing I want to mention is that he's not a reader, but he's an oral learner, and so he listens to it every day and there's a lot of different apps out there, a lot of different places dailyaudiobiblecom, there is just biblegatewaycom I think you can probably listen to it and any app that you have. There's usually an option to listen to that chapter. There's even an ESV written by a beautiful Irish woman, kristen Getty, and or is it Kristen Getty? I apologize, I'm not sure what her first name is, but I love it because I can listen to it in an Irish accent. You know, and I have no Irish accent, but it's. 

28:26
You know, if you need something fresh, if you need something different, then listen to it. While you read it, then read it out loud, but make sure that you're not just coming to it only with your head, only with your heart. You've got to come to it with your hands and your feet and say this is how I want to be, this is how I want to live my life. And how am I going to do this today? If you tell me to grow up, what does that look like? How am I going to live differently today if I'm more mature than I was yesterday? 

28:58 - Ruth Hovsepian (Host)
Yeah, I sometimes. You know, there are times in my life I look back now and I'm I think all those years I could have been in the Word of God, because now, you know, the fire is on, the engines are running and I want to do all of these different things. You know, I want to study this, I want to do that and I want to, and there's not enough time in a day to do, you know everything. But that's the excitement I want to continue with for the rest of my days here on earth. I don't want that fire to be quenched and I see that sometimes with, you know, believers that have been believers for a long time, and that fire slowly quenches and goes away and, you know, dies down. And I want to bring that back to people you know, put that fire back under them and say go back to the Word of God, because there's so much you can do. 

30:04
And the other thing is that the more we study, the more we can share with others. That's a whole other part of it that we sometimes don't. We don't talk about often enough that whatever I'm learning, I need to turn around and share it with someone else, those moments where I have an opportunity to talk to someone. If I meet up with someone in my day to day life, what am I sharing with them? Am I talking about the latest fad, the latest gossip on, you know, the internet? Or am I saying you know what? I just discovered this in the Word of God, what you know here, it is to you, and I think this is important. 

30:51
What are our priorities? And yes, you know, someone may say, yeah, but Ruth, you know you've, you've committed your days to the Word of you know, like to ministry, but that can also take you away from the Word of God because you're so focused on ministry that there's no time to pray, there's no time to study the Word of God. And it may sound silly, but I actually schedule these things. I'm one of those people. I put it on my calendar. I try not to have anything scheduled before 11 o'clock on a given day, because I want to spend the morning with in prayer and in reading the Word of God, in reading a book like yours or another book. I want to learn. I just want to learn so much. So I've said you know, before 11 o'clock, that's my time, where I focus it. It's not to say I don't pray throughout the day, but that is my dedicated time where I try not to you know schedule anything, and I think this is important. What is our commission? 

32:08
What is, what is the great commission? 

32:11 - Sara Schaffer (Guest)
It would really trouble me back in the days when we still watched, like network TV, but, like you know, about 20 years ago, being a Bible study, and people would come without their quote, unquote homework done, you know, like haven't filled out their workbook, but then they would say things like oh, like, I have to watch the sitcom before I go to sleep, you know, because they were then syndicated and I have to watch that, and so they could spend 30 minutes watching about 19 minutes of a sitcom and 11 minutes worth of commercials, but they couldn't spend even 10 minutes in the Word of God. I mean, once you start looking and I'm not picking on them, because I was the same way and so I, when I started getting serious, I would, I prepare the coffee the night before, I would put my Bible on the table with my notebook, you know I would have all those materials that we talked about earlier. I would just have it ready to go so that when my alarm went off in the morning, all I had to do was stumble over to the kitchen, pour a cup of coffee hopefully not fill it too full and make a mess, but, you know, hopefully have my eyes open enough Get the coffee poured and sit down at the table. And I sat at a table because I was much less likely to fall asleep than if I sat on my couch or in a comfort chair or something like that, and I would sit there. And you know, god doesn't disappoint and really all he's asking is for us to show up every day. Just show up and it'd be. 

33:40
You know, if you have till 11 in the morning, then do that. If you have, if you're a mom and your kids get up at six o'clock, well then you're getting up at 5 30. Or I have a friend I talked to last week who gets up at 4 45. Because that's when her window is. But you know what? That time is never gonna disappoint. It is not gonna take away. In fact, it will fuel the rest of your day because you have re-aligned your thinking right away to something that is real and true and life-giving, instead of, you know, checking your phone and scrolling through social media and doing all those things that are so easy for us to get lost in these days. And when you spend that time in the Word of God, it's directing your thinking. So, like you said, your conversations are different, your thinking is different, your decisions are gonna be different, and I think that it is such a valuable thing that we all need to be practicing. 

34:38 - Ruth Hovsepian (Host)
Yeah, I'm in agreement with you, and the other thing that I wish I would see more of in this digital day are actual Bibles in people's hands walking into the church. I understand having your Bible on your phone, on a, you know, as an app, but there is something to be said about holding the Word of God in your hand. It's solid, it's there. Maybe I'm old-fashioned in that way, but I think we all need a Bible, we all need it, and I don't know, as you said, we, you know we are ready for so many things in life right, social media is? You know we're on the. We don't leave the house without our phones. We don't. You know we spend hours. 

35:34
Someone recently told me that they were just diagnosed with ADHD an adult, an older adult and they started to cut out screen time because that was not helping their ADHD, and what they realized was I don't know how they figured this out they were spending five to six hours a day checking their phone throughout the day. Five to six hours, that's. That's a significant amount of time. And you know the person said to me I cannot believe I was so sure I was not on my phone, but it was the checking in that was eating up all of the person's time. 

36:28
They were constantly checking in and I, yeah, there's something to be said about having physical books, whether it's yours, whether it's someone else's and a physical Bible and digging into it and, you know, reading it for for ourselves. Sarah, I really want to thank you. This has been a great conversation. Thank you so much, and to my friends that are listening and watching, you know, get out there by a copy of Six Ways to Sunday from Sarah Schaefer. It'll also be in the show notes below and I believe that tomorrow you said you are releasing a new course, is that? 

37:16 - Sara Schaffer (Guest)
correct. Yeah, it's a very specific audience, though. It's a biblically based course for moms of teens. It's a Christian moms toolkit. 

37:26 - Ruth Hovsepian (Host)
Interesting. 

37:27 - Sara Schaffer (Guest)
So, parenting without anxiety. So if that it's something that, by the time, yeah, the cart is closed for that. But if it's something you're interested in, this is, this is something I'm going to be doing again and again, so, and I plan to be doing something for adults with anxiety. 

37:46
just a more general thing than just moms with teens, but and and it's, of course, talking about the context of Matthew six, where God Jesus tells us not to worry, the context of Philippians, for where Paul says do not be anxious about anything. And how does? What does that really mean? And really doing some Bible study on that and then applying it to whether it's motherhood with teens or just day to day life. 

38:14 - Ruth Hovsepian (Host)
Right, friends, if you are interested in any of the things that Sarah has mentioned, go to her website. It'll be in the show notes and you can, you know, follow up and be there when she offers it again or other information. Thank you for listening, my friends. Thank you, sarah, for being here, if you enjoyed this and please, I encourage you to share, to like to leave a review and to follow both Sarah and I on social media. There is a lot. We give out a lot of free resources, so we thank you. Thank you, sarah. 

38:48 - Sara Schaffer (Guest)
Thank you, Ruth.