Life Reinvented: Overcoming Poverty, Addiction and Violence with Kelly Siegel

Ever wondered how adversity fuels our forward momentum? In this inspiring episode, I speak with Kelly Siegel, the founder and CEO of National Technology Management, and we discuss the truth behind this paradox. Growing up in poverty and surrounded by addiction and violence in Detroit, Kelly's ability to not just survive but thrive despite it all is a testament to his resilience and is the thread that ties his extraordinary life story together.

Kelly candidly shares his own 'I surrender moment' that led him to realize that his own drinking and partying lifestyle as an adult had become unsustainability and was deeply unfulfilling. Through his story, we delve into the battles he fought in his early years of sobriety and his determination to end the cycle of abuse in his family. Be inspired as he recounts his struggle to win his daughter's custody amidst the pandemic, and how he managed to reclaim his life by investing in his emotional wellbeing.

We also discuss the profound impact of spirituality in Kelly's life. Hear about his spiritual awakening and the strength it lends him in facing life's challenges. From the power of daily habits, to journaling to self care practices on the path of sober living, this episode is packed with life-transforming insights. After listening to  this enlightening discussion, you'll feel inspired, empowered, and ready to face whatever life throws at you.

Connect with Kelly:
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Book: https://www.amazon.com/Harder-than-Life-Overcoming-Addiction/dp/1544539126

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Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:02

Hello everyone, I am so excited for today's guest. He is my dear friend, the one and only Kelly Siegel. Kelly is founder and CEO of a successful IT company, National Technology Management. He grew up in Detroit, Michigan. He's the author of the book Harder Than Life, which, if you have not heard of it, you need to go on Amazon and order it right away. You're going to love it. He is an ardent advocate for sober living and he'll tell you all about his story today. He has become a national sought after speaker. He is disciplined, he is genuine, he is insightful, he is generous, he is incredibly caring and he is giving back through all his work. He really is a ardent philanthropist and wants to give back to charity. All the book sales and the proceeds from that help to do that. Please again go out and check it out. He is probably one of the most humble juggernauts of personal development that I've come across on my journey. I am so grateful to call him a dear friend. Welcome to the show, Kelly.

Speaker 2: 1:13

I receive all that, michelle, and it felt so good In the past prior versions of me that would have made me uncomfortable, heck, even a couple of weeks ago it probably made me feel uncomfortable. But I feel all the love and I receive all the love from you and it feels good, it feels peaceful.

Speaker 1: 1:32

Good, I'm so glad to hear that. All right, we're going to jump right in. Kelly, tell me in your words what does it mean to you to live an extraordinary life?

Speaker 2: 1:44

That's an easy question. Actually. It's being in total peace with your inner self. I can't say it, it's just short and sweet. Everything in my life is in alignment and when that happens, synchronicities happen, good things, positivity happens. That doesn't mean that bad things don't happen they come, but the bad things are a lot less. If we put it on a level, I like life to be a roller coaster, because if you're just running flat you're dead. So need the ups and downs and ups and downs, and the beauty part about the downs is, you know, an up is coming right after it. But I like it when you do all the work on yourself and you listen to these habits that you preach about and that are in my heart and life book. Those lows and those highs, those peaks come, start getting closer together and then you just ride it out and you live an extraordinary life. And then we like to always say how good, can you handle it? And my answer is keeps getting better and better and better.

Speaker 1: 2:52

And so true, I love that. All right, let's talk a little bit. You and I have some similarities in the sense that the way we look at our path in getting to where we are today, there was some road to travel, a lot of road to travel. We're not spring chickens here, but the adversity equation. I always talk about how God thank God for the adversity that did befall me in my life, because it allows me to understand how far we've come and it also propelled me forward. And had I not had some of the adversity in my life, I don't know that I would have gone down the path I ultimately did. So I think a lot of people hold themselves back and say, oh, the things that have happened, that's what prevented me from moving forward, but for me it was sort of the spark that moved me forward. Talk to me about how you view adversities that have happened in your lifetime.

Speaker 2: 3:54

Well, if it was given to us, if life was given to us, if our perfect life was given to us, we would take it for granted. You wouldn't have any contrast. So it's what the tough times are, what builds the intestinal fortitude to be able to handle anything. And I mean this when, once you really love yourself and you really trust yourself, nothing becomes an instrumental. I am an unstoppable force. So and I don't say that to be arrogant, I don't say that to be cocky I just know that everything that gets thrown at me, I'm going to handle it.

Speaker 2: 4:28

And if I can't handle it, I have a support system of people like you and Craig and my family and my and my IT company family that will help me through this. I'm not doing this alone. So resiliency builds confidence, which is only come you only face it by going through adversity. And I always say this adversity either is on its way, it just left, or it's, or it's caught, or it's here, right in the path. So you're not going to, you're not going to face. There's no way to avoid it.

Speaker 1: 5:04

Right, absolutely, and some of us get bigger doses than others. Speaking of which, I always I'm fascinated by your story. You know I grew up in a small town in Maine. I know you grew up in Detroit, michigan very different contrasts, but still very similar things occurring. Tell me a little bit about growing up in Detroit and how it shaped your path you know, my parents were alcoholics and they, they was scary.

Speaker 2: 5:30

Every day I spent nervous. So you know, at 10 years old you hear the key at the door and you're like which, which drunk am I getting which? And you know, and they, they, they were so violent my mother and step on that they couldn't go out together because they would get into fights, so they would go out separately and you didn't know which one was coming home first or which version of them coming first, which made me tough. I was, and I knew, you know to this day, I'm a salesman, I'm I'm ultimately, I own, I'm a business man, but I'm a salesman at heart. We're all selling. So I just knew that if I could make them call and happy, I had a fighting chance at not getting beat. First of all, I would try to avoid them. I'd hide, I did fight, flight or or freeze. I would flight first most of the time, depending on what time of day, and I would. And then, if it was my stepfather, he inevitably would walk right to my room and open the door and I'd be like and I would just wait to see who at which drunk I was getting, did I get happy drunk, did I get mean, unhappy drunk, or did I get violent drunk? And you know, that's where I got my first indoctrination of beer, because one sometimes he was happy he want me to play him records and drink a beer with them.

Speaker 2: 6:49

How old were you? I was about nine. So what did I do? I equated drinking beer with camaraderie. Right, and I'm telling you that was what I was searching for when I drank, when I, when it started becoming a problem. Now I people always like you in my posts. Oh well, if you didn't drink as much as you did, you know it would be. And I was a functioning drinker and I learned that from my stepfather. He used to say to me I do some of the best work on lower and he would go to work every single day. So what did I learn? I would drink and I would go to work and get my job done. So I was a functioning drinker and I didn't think I had a problem until I just started.

Speaker 2: 7:34

You know, first chapter of my book is self self awareness. It's it's it's when I decided to look at myself and go, what's going on here? Why am I not happy? And I started unpacking and I realized that every time something bad happened. Alcohol was present. Alcohol didn't cause it, but there was a correlation. And it's corny. But I ultimately quit because of love, and I only quit for 90 days. I just quit to 90 days and said, hey, let's have some fun, let's see what this is all about. And I liked it. So I stayed for another 90 days and after, after that, I really liked it and I said I think I'm done, and I just did so.

Speaker 2: 8:14

Growing up you could hit there and say, oh, mo'woah is me, and be the victim. But I came out the victor and said you know, we're going to make the most of this. And I got a newsflash for you treating the poison, expecting them to die. Ain't nothing going to happen to your parents? But why do we sit here and say, because my parents didn't love me, I'm this. Why don't we say I did this, this spite at all? And that's what builds that reason.

Speaker 1: 8:41

I think that that's where the key is. One of the things that really impressed me about your story was how early in life you started working Because you have developed this work ethic that I think really it just translates across every facet of your life. For those who have not seen it, kelly, he is a fine specimen of a man who takes very good care of his bodies in the gym every day, incredibly disciplined, whether he's traveling or at home. And I think it all starts back with. You had to get busy and start to work, or you really took that route of I'm going to pull myself out of the situation. Tell us a little bit about that first job.

Speaker 2: 9:25

I started a paper route and I lied and said I was 13. And when I was 12, and I took over a paper route and I doubled the subscribers right away and I did that just so I could have food. It provided me enough money so I could go to the store and get food tonight. So it was mere survival, and so everything happens for you. That just kind of goes with me. Now I was like, oh, work equals. So that's horrible. So that is surviving, thrive, and I know no other way.

Speaker 1: 9:58

What I love about your story, Kelly, is it really is a testament that, look, everybody goes through things. Everyone's story is a little different. Everybody's got different adversities and challenges, but you can come through that and it's either going to make you or break you right and you have a choice and you have allowed it to really mold you into the person you've become. You've taken the good. I know you had a journey to go on.

Speaker 2: 10:28

Well, there's a thing I'm going to say that it's like.

Speaker 2: 10:30

I tried it one way, so that's why people need to listen to me. That's why the heart of the life, brandon, is taking off, because I tried it the way everybody else did. I did, I said, okay, I can party and I can rip it up and and I can have that chip on my shoulder and I could expect things to be different and be the victim and be the prey. And then when I flipped it on its head it's funny I actually surrendered and let life happen and stop putting so much energy into negative things and once you can, you can prune the negativity out of your life. It fills it up like a vacuum with positive things. It's wild how and how fast it happens.

Speaker 1: 11:15

For those people who may still be on the journey or the awakening and maybe they haven't quite had their awakening moment or, as we call it, the eye surrender moment. Right, I can't do this anymore. Tell us a little bit about your eye surrender point in time. What was it that all sort of brought you down to no way? You can't do this anymore. Things have got to change. How old were you? What was going on? What were sort of the contexts of your life that sort of brought it into focus for you that things had to completely change?

Speaker 2: 11:49

They really that's a tough question. Yeah, I don't think there was one point I could tell you when I started thinking about it, or when I turned 30, I said this is not sustainable. I'm pretty smart guy, I'm like this. This kind of lifestyle is not sustainable. And then it kind of sound good, like well, wait, am I really happy? And the answer was no. I wasn't.

Speaker 2: 12:12

I didn't like the person in the mirror. I didn't pay attention, I wasn't present, I wasn't having fun. She was making a lot of money. I had a miscellaneous party, friends on the outside, people looking at me like, oh my God, I want to be that guy, aided myself.

Speaker 2: 12:31

I can look back and now that I fully love myself, I can look back and say I was at war and the person that was fighting was me. Yeah, I mean, I remember looking at pictures and, michelle, you would have liked it, you would have laughed at him, but you would have liked that. Everybody liked him. I still kind and compassionate, but I thought that for me to be seen and heard and I had to be loud and just big and strong, what that was doing was masking the intro that you gave me the loving, kind, compassionate, giving person. He was always there. That was all you I always said. When the drinking out a little bit where that would weird, it's weird, it's ugly had a little more, people would always say it's okay, because he's so kind and loving and compassionate and soft and probably successful.

Speaker 1: 13:28

So you kind of get a pass, what's?

Speaker 2: 13:30

successful Because you got a little change in your pocket doesn't make you successful. Just ask Michael Jackson and Prince. Oh wait, they're not here anymore. So that's what happens. And I tell you what. That leaves clues and he gives you freaking signs. I blew through every one of them and now that I'm on the other side looking back, I see all I'm going oh my goodness, house, rick and Tom was I, but you do it when you're ready. And so you asked a question when was I ready?

Speaker 2: 14:05

I had three straight toxic relationships and the last one that really sent me in a tail spin I was going to I thought she was the one and we were going to get married and live happily. Ever after I said this is it, man, I have reached a pinnacle. And then alcohol from both of our sides just kept banging against it and something had to change and finally I said okay, here's the sign. I'm paying attention. This is the, this is the coup de glas, where God is saying if you want this to work, you've got to give this up. So I did and unfortunately it takes two people not willing to give up doing the work, leaning in and with a common goal of mine, and unfortunately she didn't want to do the work. It's painful, it's scary. I will tell you I just broke it down for somebody the other day man, the first two years of this process sucked. Two years of crap.

Speaker 1: 15:15

Processing. Moving on, Tell me a little bit about the suck.

Speaker 2: 15:20

So what happens? When you go to make a big universal change, when you go to the universe, it's going to God, whatever you call it, source, higher power is going to start throwing things at you because you're disrupting what the natural transitions of life have, what your life is that. So, all of a sudden, all the idiosyncrasies are going to come out, and so when I quit drinking, I thought, oh, everything's going to be perfect. No, they start throwing the kitchen sink at you. That's why the adversity growing up prepared me for the adversity that I was about to hit, and it just didn't for two years. I'm not kidding you, two years. So if you think that it's just going to be a light switch, it isn't.

Speaker 2: 16:13

Now there were moments I had a few months of peace and then they would cut something good, and then it all came to one big head about a year and a half into it, where the little thing that you may have heard of called the pandemic hit. So I was home alone by myself, with all my feelings, with nobody to talk to, nobody. I didn't have the gym to go work out, which is my outlet. And then, at the same time, god said we're going to really test you, mr Segal, we think that you're you can handle it, but we're going to see what you're made up Pandemic kits, my ex-wife and my ex-girlfriend get together and take away my daughter from lies and BS that they'd made up, because hurt people hurt people, and my daughter is my wife Ultimately.

Speaker 2: 17:02

She's why I do all this. I am the one that ends the cycle of abuse in our family and my daughter gets to be the next generation to feel it the right way. So they took my daughter through courts. It was happened to be the night of the pandemic. It's crazy, my at the same time.

Speaker 1: 17:21

The night of like March of 2020. This was all coming down March 20, 2020.

Speaker 2: 17:27

Oh gosh, four o'clock in the afternoon, I get a call from my lawyer. Hey, where are you at? I said, just drive it home. He's like call me when you get home. I said no, what's wrong? He's like no, you need to be home. And so I call him and I get home and he's like all right, sit down, don't freak out. You just lost custody of your daughter Friday night. I'm supposed to get her on Sunday and I'm like what does that mean? He's like it's all baloney. Aubrey and Christie got together and filed some bogus stuff. We're going to beat it, but nobody knows how, because the pandemic is just hit. Nobody knows how we're going to go to court. When we're going to go to court, we don't know. It's unprecedented, never happens. I'm like you're kidding me. I thought I was being poked. So that's pandemic. That then, at the same time I'm not even kidding you our biggest customer, 25% of our revenue leaves us.

Speaker 1: 18:30

And that happened to so many companies during that era.

Speaker 2: 18:32

I'm like I finally just looked up and I keep a full bar of liquor at my house because I, just, I, just I healed the prop. Reason why I drank it was because I didn't feel lovable. I didn't feel enough and I figured that if I drank and I was this larger than life guy, everybody loved me. Well, I didn't love me. So when I gave up the booze I loved me and now turns out everybody loves me. So I just got the right people, I got the right people. That was the short story of that.

Speaker 2: 19:01

But anyways, I looked at my booze and I quit on my own. I didn't get a DUI, I didn't beat anybody up, I didn't get in trouble, I didn't hit rock bottom. So I quit. I can start at any time. If I want to have one drink, I have one drink, I just don't. So I looked over my scotch. I said, huh, I should have, I could have one.

Speaker 2: 19:22

But I knew if I took that drink that scorched earth was about to happen, because I would have been angry and I would have just ripped over my ex-wife's house, guns waving, and got myself in trouble. And I didn't. So I grabbed a cigar, I put my cell phone down, I went for a long drive and in that drive I decided I was going to go hire a new attorney who wasn't my normal attorney, and we were going to, we were going to be not so nice and the gloves came off. And that's the first time ever I really really stood up for myself in a In a professional sort of way, like even way back when with my stepfather. I called my stepfather out when I was finally big enough to. I knew I would have kicked his butt and that's violence. How you do things is cerebral. That's what. What is the sun's do? The art of war? The best fight is one without having to fight. So, uh, what do you want us to?

Speaker 1: 20:31

say Tell me about your ability to surrender in that moment, because you know we're talking about your child. You have remind me of your, your, how old your daughter is and what her name is.

Speaker 2: 20:42

He is 14 and her name is Ariana. And she's, and at that time she was 10.

Speaker 1: 20:46

And I can only imagine just to kind of putting myself in your shoes to the extent I can and thinking, if someone took my son away, like ah well, but she'll remember I had a baby and abandoned the issue.

Speaker 2: 20:59

That's what. So to what that was, was God saying dude, we know you're a badass, I know I created you. You're a badass, you are the baddest man on the planet. Nothing's going to stop you. We're going to show you we're because I believe in you and I believed in me. And I just looked up at the sky and I said you know, can't be broken, can't be broken, and showed it. And I made a list of everything I was going to do and I slowly but surely start checking them off, starting Monday morning hired a new lawyer, got my daughter back by Wednesday, went to meet with my ex-wife and buried every. I said that'll never happen again. We're now best friends. She watches my dog when I go out of town. Fight is over, war is over.

Speaker 2: 21:53

I look back, my IT company replenished that revenue with double the amount of revenue, with better revenue. Here's the best part about it, michelle. That day is why I'm talking to you right now. Parents, hear me out. When that happened, I said what can I do to better myself? So I found podcasts, I dug into reading, I started meditating and just everything started aligning and now we have the heart of the life brand launched. I wrote a book, I got a great podcast and I'm literally living my best life and it's going to continue to get better. I'm 47 years young We'll use that and I'm in the best shape of my life, both mentally and physically, and we're just begun.

Speaker 2: 22:50

So, by that day season control I immediately hired an emotional coach and I worked over Zoom and I got the best piece of advice I could ever receive and I want to share it with all your listeners. Oh, this was smack dab in the middle of fighting my ex-girlfriend and my ex-wife I'm talking. We had two fights going on. One was custody of my daughter and the other one was a lot going on. Oh, there was so much. There was so much going on and all I did every day is just wake up and execute and slowly but surely, they say you put one foot in front of the other and eventually you'll walk a mile. So the piece of advice I got from this emotional coach, who's a dear friend of mine to this day.

Speaker 2: 23:39

She said assume positive intent from these women. I said hurt people, hurt people. They are trying to ruin me. How do I assume positive intent? And she said they are trying to keep their existence going. It has nothing to do with you, it is all the way with them. And immediately it took away all their power and I had compassion for them and understanding of where they were coming from. I didn't agree with it, but I understood it.

Speaker 2: 24:13

And then, months later, I did the same thing for my stepfather. I realized, oh my God, he quit drinking cold turkey when I was, when I was 14. I quit drinking cold turkey and I said, man, he turned to the meanest. He turned even meaner and nastier when he quit drinking. But I remembered, oh my God, what if he was experienced the same feelings that I was experiencing? But he didn't have the coping skills and mechanisms and tools and people in his life and books and podcasts to fall back on. He just sat at home and had to sit and I immediately started thinking, oh my goodness, I have so much compassion for him. Now I'll forgive him. I didn't forgive him at that point. I did eventually forgive them, but I have not invited them back in my life.

Speaker 2: 25:07

So I like to come on these podcasts and I like to tell people about my life. We all have our past. What I want people to do is take borrowed things, resonate with them and adopt them into your life. Listen, if you followed everything that I do every day, it may work for you, may not? I steal from everybody, from Rogan, from Aubrey Marcus, from. One of my favorite quotes is Momentum worry. I heard it on Aubrey Marcus's podcast momentum worry we're all going to die. So that's the one inevitable we're going to die. Why would I want to spend another minute being mad at my parents?

Speaker 1: 25:43

What does it get?

Speaker 2: 25:44

me.

Speaker 1: 25:45

I love what you said Great advice, assume positive intent. But I also think you actually alluded to it. It's not about you. Often times what's happening with somebody else. We think it's directed at us because it's impacting us in some way or another, but it isn't actually emanating from a place. That's about you to begin with, it's about them, and when you can really see the world that way, that it is not about you, it is about what's happening with them and just sort of let it go, it changes everything.

Speaker 2: 26:18

I'm going to show you another idiosyncrasy that happened during the pandemic. So I'm sitting on my porch, I'm reading a book and it looks like this book. So I have a wall here. I got a huge bookshelf here, you can't see, but I was reading a book and I was like why does this look familiar? And I'm sitting on my porch during the pandemic, nothing to do but read, and I get up and I walk into my thing and I see you see this as a stick, you know what I mean. And I pull this out and I go oh, what's this book? And this is a book that was given to me about five days into my sobriety by my then-seeing COO of National Technology Management. And he puts a note on it says Kelly, read this short chapter, steve it's, and I love the lyrics. It's the chapter seven Heaven on Earth, creating Heaven on Earth. And it's about your choices that you make to create your own reality. And if you make good choices, you can create Heaven on Earth.

Speaker 2: 27:19

And I took this book when he did this, when he resigned, right after I decided we met, we did our year planning and I said, hey, I want to tell you I'm quitting drinking for good. So you're going to see a lot more of me and we're going to win. And that was a Friday after New Year's. On Monday I walked in and he resigned because he knew he. After he left, I figured out he was just they, literally. This is harsh, but I have a very dear friend who knows they believe that they liked having me partying and out because I wasn't present and I wasn't focused and they didn't have to do their job. They weren't held accountable. The second he knew he was going to be held accountable. He quit hands me this book. I feel abandoned. I take it and just throw it on my bookshelf. A year and a half later, during the pandemic, pull this book out and it changes my life. And I've kept it, kept that sticky note to remind me of how low I was when I first read this book. I had to read the book when, when Steve gave it to me, my COO it wouldn't have registered. Now I live and die by these four agreements.

Speaker 2: 28:34

Be impeccable with your word. Don't forget. It's not only to everybody else, it's most importantly to yourself. Keep your word to yourself. That's what builds resilience, that's what builds confidence. That's what builds trust. So be impeccable with your word always do your best, simple and easy. Never make assumptions. And what's the last one? Don't make assumptions.

Speaker 1: 28:58

And yeah, always do your best, Don't take anything personally.

Speaker 2: 29:02

Don't take anything personal. Didn't we just say that? That's where I was going with this? Don't take it. The truth that I have the hardest always do your best and be impeccable with your word is always think that, always. It's don't take anything personal. Don't make assumptions. I stated that those two things to myself a thousand times a day.

Speaker 2: 29:17

I got a news. I should use it sometimes. It's not about you, it's never about yeah, thoughts are magical eyes, michelle, we are. Ego is meant to keep us safe, so it's telling you. This is the weirdest thing Our ego is meant to keep us safe from. I'll use it and it'll do.

Speaker 2: 29:34

We never had food in the house, so I would go steal food, or when I made money, I would actually go buy it. But whenever I'm hungry now, at 47 years old, I am right back to that little kid who feels like he's going to die he's saying I have a full of money, I have a huge bottle of money, I can go anywhere I want. I can have anything delivered. That is a magical lie that I'm trying to freaking, that I'm trying to adjust life to now. It's insanity. Talk to that. Say hi, I see you, little Cali. All as well, we're going. We've ordered food, you're going to be fine.

Speaker 2: 30:16

Now that's an easy, but ones that happen fast, that you're limiting beliefs or you don't think you're good enough. You want me to go into ones about love, not feeling loved. I mean, I could do that all day long. I have become a master at intercepting those triggers right when they happen, and within about with less than 60 seconds, I can dissipate them. I will tell you when you get fired down on the learning journey, those triggers happen a lot less, a lot less. They just still happen.

Speaker 1: 30:47

Talk to me about spirituality in your life. We talked about surrender. Surrender means different things to different people. For me, my moment of surrender during what was an awakening moment in my life not the only, but an important one was a recognition that I had somehow taken into account this idea and notion that it was all on me, I was running the show, everything that was happening was good or bad, was my fault and I was in control of the surrender for me was a recognition of well, maybe you aren't the only one in control. Maybe there really is a higher power.

Speaker 1: 31:30

I grew up in a Catholic kid going to church on Sundays, but still the ego. When you are working hard and developing a life and building a life, you start to really believe yourself. Maybe too much right. For me, it was a surrender of you don't need to have everything figured out. There is a higher power here. There's a bigger force in the universe happening and you're not aligned with it at all right now. Get with the program. How about for you? What does spirituality mean for you and how did that tie into surrender, if it did it all?

Speaker 2: 32:07

Well, I'm going to hijack your story and those of you who don't know it. I know it very well. When you surrender, god sends you a sign, a path. Yours was on the bus. I'm like you got off the bus, you were right in front of a mental health clinic. You walked in thinking that it was a community mental health. There was no way in heck that anybody's going to help you. Boom, it's a high-powered executive who didn't freaking love life and went in to help people. It just this idiosync that the alignment just keeps happening and all you have to do is surrender.

Speaker 2: 32:41

I've always believed that when I was drinking, I used to have this amazing tolerance and I would say I'm on a mission from God and it was meant to party like there was no tomorrow harder. I used this term called Siegel. If you were going to party with me, you were more than likely going to pass out because I went hard and that was called Siegeling you. I was proud of it. I will tell you that when I look back, god was always on my side and I said somebody is it's smoothing out a path for me, because I should be a bum or I should be dead Should be a lot of things that I'm not. Instead, I'm here and this harder-than-life Persona which is really my life, and I get to share it with the world and help people and donate a ton of money, and I get to be on podcasts and I get to help people and believe me my story. I answered DMs daily, helping people. I just sent an email somebody, because I throw my email out there for I'm available, because if I can't pay it forward, it's all for now. So to me, very, very recently we had a conversation. I said I'm God curious, I want to see my boy, steven Skoggins, at his place. He hit me with all kinds of scripture you know Craig talks about it. I just it just kept. God just kept appearing and I'm just watching going. Why does everything keep aligning for my life? So there's. So I started calling it the universe and source and I'd go with that. And then I Was in LA with our friend Marcus and I said and Marcus and Kelly, I want you to do a favor for.

Speaker 2: 34:26

He said I want you to ask God for something tonight and watch it. I said I've done this before, marcus, I know what's gonna happen. He said no, no, no, ask for something big. And I asked you remember when we were there, there was the hurricane, there's a typhoon, there was a earthquake, and I had to drive to Huntington Beach, you know, and I had other things I had to do besides what we were there to do. And I said no, marcus, I do that and this time I'll pay attention to make sure so I can report back to you. And I'm got curious at this point. So like, okay, cool, let's do this. I said God, if you're real, so allow me to get to all of my commitments and time safe and back to my daughter, without a hitch in my schedule, mind you, hurricane, typhoon, driving, earthquake in times where the LA is not, they don't have the infrastructure that we have in our, where they're able for a rain.

Speaker 1: 35:32

Right and they're letting. There was massive flooding.

Speaker 2: 35:35

Yes, I was driving and I'm watching cars zoom by me and Hit the wall and spin out and it's just got something. Just kept clearing it for me. I made it to all of my commitments I had. I met a great new friend. I Made it back to LA X. I get out of my car, my, my rental car, and a guy looks at me, goes. I Follow you on tiktok and I start laughing. I like this is alignment. I get on my plane that they have been Delta have been sending me things reschedule, reschedule, reschedule. It's sunny as can be. I get on the plane. I get home. We fly over the storm, not near a bump, no turbulence. Get home, I'm driving home with my top down going. Thank you, thank you, god. So did you reach out? And it just can't let him out?

Speaker 1: 36:29

I did. Yeah, I got it.

Speaker 2: 36:29

He's coming on the podcast and we're gonna talk about it and you know it should be told. God has been there the whole time and, and they've been, he's been aligning to work for me and, and I see him, I wrote him my thing. Hey, universe, I I'm, I see you transpiring to make me happy and then I change it to God. I'm comfortable with it. Now my daughter is a little bit uncomfortable. She's again. I'm not so sure about this God thing. Yet I said do what makes you happy and that's what I sell with everybody. Do what makes you feel comfortable and what makes you whole. It's just, it's calling me. Something is calling me and I think it's the redemption that I have to do and give back to the world. And it's just, it just keeps getting better and better, better. So, and I'm only just begun, I think this is gonna continue to go. Tip of the iceberg for you. There's so much more to do. Let's talk.

Speaker 1: 37:22

I have a few more questions. Feel indulged me. We just went through this beautiful conversation. What does success look like for you today? Well, we said earlier, it really is what it looked like for you at safe and sound Earlier versus what it looked like for you at, say, 30. What does it look like for you today?

Speaker 2: 37:42

It's just inner peace.

Speaker 1: 37:43

Okay, so same as your extraordinary life.

Speaker 2: 37:47

Success to me, and you know we're. I think that as long as I have inner peace, everything else will fall into place. That's where they you know, and I said this to many people many times it's you know, when you're on an airplane they say put your oxygen mask on first, because if you're passed out, you're no good anybody else. So I need to be peaceful in my mind, which is gonna make me work out, which is gonna give me energy to help as many people, and then I'm gonna make money, and then I'm gonna give it all away.

Speaker 1: 38:18

Let's talk about your morning routine, because we know that those people who start the day what is? You say this all the time the way you do anything is the way you do everything, and morning routines, we know, are incredibly important for setting the tone for a good day. So, all right, we know that the way you do anything is the way you do everything. So tell us about your morning routine, because I know for you and for for all of us that are doing this work, how we set the tone for the day impacts everything. Tell us what you do.

Speaker 2: 38:48

You know what just dawned on me too. I learned this morning routine from my stepfather. He was an early.

Speaker 2: 38:53

He was an early riser. He taught me Um, the early bird gets the worm. They used to say that all the time. I just realized that just had any epiphany on their show good, so he was always an early. He'd get up, go to bed early and get up early. So listen you can listen to all these personal volume of people and they're gonna tell you you gotta get up at 3 30, you gotta be 4 30. I don't know. You know. All I can tell you is the principles that I use.

Speaker 2: 39:17

I highly recommend, whether it's 4 15 in the morning, like I do it, or 7, 15 or 10 15, you have to have a winning daily routine that you consistently do. Consistency is key. We consistently drink, we consistently pollute our mind and our bodies and we wonder why we have a bad life. So let's flip it on its head and let's Consistently do winning habits. You show me your choices and I will show you your life.

Speaker 2: 39:50

My choices are very simple wake up in the morning, first thing I do. I open gratitude. Three things I'm grateful for. It can be simple my fat cat laying next to me, the roof over my head, my full belly, or the fact that I get to go help people. Or today was I get to be on your podcast. So, bam, three, three to five things usually comes pretty easily. My feet hit the ground and it's on. I mean it too. I like to win and I like to help people, and winning is more fun than fun is fun. So my feet at the ground is on, and whether it's the devil, whether it's god, they know. I just woke up.

Speaker 2: 40:28

I go marching into my bathroom, I do a quick high five in the mirror and tell myself I'm a bad MF. Her Brush my teeth. I sit down and I do. I sit down in my journal real quick. And then I I walk into my uh bedroom and I sit down my my couch and I do a quick 10 minute, that meditation. Get my workout gear on out the door. I'm there by 5 am, work out from 5 to about 6 30.

Speaker 2: 40:53

I get home, I shoot my morning A daily motivational video, launch that shower, take my dog for a quick walk. Gratitude, walk, more gratitude. Get my daughter up, cook her breakfast, get her intention going. Uh and and today's intention was cute I got a share. I said make somebody smile today, babe, she goes, that's funny, just do it. So, uh, drop her off at school. I go to my office, work, uh, it all day.

Speaker 2: 41:23

Sometimes I mix into the heart of life. That's actually taken over for things. Come home, I get to pick my daughter up from school, she finishes her homework, or, or we have discussions, we read and, instead of thinking if there's anything else that I that I do, I listen to podcasts while I'm working out. So it's just that daily rinse and repeat and then I go to bed. And the last thing I do before I go to bed, more gratitude, three things I'm grateful for. And I just rinse and repeat, rinse and repeat. Why do we shower Every day? Because they work this thing, and if I get off of any of those For a long period of time, there's certain days that that that I can't do it. I just the schedule won't let me and I call those God's days all and I just I go with it, but I don't have many and I don't go more than two days Without having doing most of that routine and I figure out ways to add to it and I just it works for me.

Speaker 1: 42:22

I love that you start your morning off Early. I am not in the 415 club but, I am happy that you are and it works. But I love that you started off um with this idea of gratitude and then you go into your journaling and your meditation and then you're out the door by five, because it creates a routine, right? And I think that that's the Habitual habits, right? What you do consistently day in and day out.

Speaker 2: 42:50

Michelle let's talk about one thing real quick. It's journaling. I want to talk about journaling a little bit, because so we don't know what to say, what to do. All I do when I journal, it's literally spiral notebook, and I say my, I get my thoughts out of my head, it's it, and if something is ruminating, I'll star it, and then I'll go back and look, and if there's ever a feeling or a reoccurring, I'll go back and find out what it is, and because I go to try to figure out my correlations like if I have a same feeling over and over again Is usually something that brought it on. I want to know what I was thinking, what I was doing in my life.

Speaker 2: 43:27

So, more than anything, though, journaling just gets out of your head and and off, and you know what do we normally do? Well, I talk to my friends, kill your friends or your friends, because they want to see when they're going to tell you what you want to hear most of the time. That's why I love you, because you don't tell me what I want to hear. You tell me what I need to hear, which I love, but I'm receptive to that. Most people aren't. So that's another piece of us journal and then accept criticism. They ain't gonna kill you. Um, just two little small habits that if you pick up two things, pick up the journaling habit it. Since I've done that and I thought you know what my biggest fear was. I never said this. I was always feared that ex-wife would find it and use it against me. Oh yeah, because she's done it before and at the end of the day, all you'd read in there is a flawed human trying to get better.

Speaker 1: 44:22

And I got what we all are, I think. Ultimately, no matter what journey that we're on, we are all imperfect beings trying to just put one foot in front of the other and get better each day.

Speaker 2: 44:35

And that's really the difference between personal development and people that aren't. In personal development we're trying to get better. There's certain people that aren't trying and I have all the compassion in the world for you, but I assure you that life gets better if you just try. And that's the big thing. You got to do something because if you could do nothing, nothing's going to change. Nothing changes if nothing changed. So journal is very, very important to me because I can just get things out of my head and it's not that also Casey from spinning or spiraling, which you hear people do, which will make them want to take Xanax or want to take cannabis or take a drink. So when things are bothering me, get them off, get them out of my mind and just right through my hand and I write. I don't put on a phone, I just write to get them out. And you know what? Maybe one day we can, we'll sell the journals and everyone will be like he was an evil master genius who knows?

Speaker 1: 45:34

No, I think they're a man with a lot of introspection and I think that's a good thing. You see a lot of love.

Speaker 2: 45:41

A lot of love. I have all the love in the world. You'll see me walking around. I think you saw me and LA doing it. I walk around, I tap my heart a lot. It's when I'm feeling something and I just want to bring myself back to a line and I tap my heart.

Speaker 1: 45:55

Yeah, if everyone hasn't figured this out by now, kelly is this bigger than life personality and it's exciting to see him in this space and what's possible because there are so many people.

Speaker 1: 46:09

If you're not following him on social, make sure that you have the links to do so.

Speaker 1: 46:15

You would probably not, if you knew us individually, think these two are going to be good friends because we're so different in lots of ways, but at the core of what really matters, we are a lot alike and he is somebody that I not only consider a close friend but I admire for so many things, not just what he's overcome and what he's trying to do, but for his habits and his discipline and for his ability to be very introspective of himself and say you know what?

Speaker 1: 46:46

I wasn't looking at that the way I probably should have, and now my aperture is open a little more, I'm going to attack it differently. He is one of the first people on this journey that I've really met that's willing to say, hmm, might need to change my point of view on that. And he's so honest and that's what is so refreshing about him. For me, it's just to see this man in constant evolution, getting better and better and better as he goes, becoming the best version of himself, not so consumed with his BS, like we all have it right, but really consistently putting his heart first. And I just have tremendous amount of admiration and love for you, so I'm really grateful.

Speaker 2: 47:33

The feeling is very mutual. I will tell you I do I'm a little bit of an alien that I seek out the opposite opinion, like you know. It'd be like a Republican reaching out to a Democrat, which is what we knew united we stand. If you just surround yourself with people to think like you, you're never going to grow. That's kind of probably where the working outcomes like oh, and I put my muscles to this renewist activity to break them down and tear them down and make them uncomfortable and hurt.

Speaker 2: 48:07

I like to go into situations. You know I read all different kinds of books, I listen to different podcasts. I just want people to reaffirm what I already know. I want to know what you're thinking, because there's got to be something, there's got to be a reason why there's so many successful people that think differently than plus, you always pick up. You know Brene Brown. I love Brene Brown. She's very intelligent. I've gotten softer from listening to her and reading her and I've gotten understanding of other cultures and other isms that I just don't get down with.

Speaker 2: 48:44

So if you're constantly around the same people doing the same thing again, nothing's changed. Nothing changes. It's insanity. And that's what the algorithm for social media does. I'm going to say I must be right because my social media feed says that. So that's the way it's programmed to do, because you're the product and they want to keep you on there. And if you keep getting affirmations that you're right, everybody likes to know to be right, everybody likes to be told that they're amazing and everybody likes to be confirmed and be validated, and that's what social media does. I'm looking for the quite the opposite. I'm looking for joy and happiness and helping of others, and I can do that by expanding my mind and expanding my being. I'm going to learn it all. I'm going to learn more every single day, and I'm not going to learn from the same people doing the same things over and over and over. So I love it.

Speaker 1: 49:37

Fair enough, Kelly. Where can people find you?

Speaker 2: 49:40

Well, we got a lot going on, michelle, and I'm glad that this is take two for us. We're about to launch a fitness portal, so to speak. I got to sign the contract on it today. We're going to start the hard work. So within about a month or two I don't know when this is going to air it's going to hit the ground. One it's going to be all things fitness, nutrition, personal development and podcasts. That's one thing. You can go to harderthanlifecom Just like it sounds harder than lifecom and you'll see all of the things. It's kellysegal.71 on Instagram. That seems to be where most people find me. If you message me, it will be me and I will get back with you Once you do the work.

Speaker 2: 50:21

That vibration attracts the people that are meant for you to you and repels the people that aren't. And not everybody's going to be for you and you can't take it personal. Some people are going to take shots at you. People that you love are going to take shots at you because they want you. They love you who you are today, and when you decide that you're going to grow, that scares the heck out of them. Will he love me? Will they still have time for me? And the answer is maybe not. Some people are in your life for just the season, and that season comes to an end. It's okay. So know as your friend, learn to say no, but love yourself, and love yourself isn't being an asshole. Love yourself, you'll know what you're loving yourself, because synchronicities in the world will start happening and magnetizations will happen to you.

Speaker 1: 51:13

Well, there's a saying, and it's something that my grandmother taught me, and you know I had a very close relationship with my grandmother, but the saying goes you start with how may I serve, and when you start with how may I serve, you're never without. Your cup is always going to be replenished, and so you start that day. Without whether or not you see it, you are showing up to help serve others.

Speaker 2: 51:36

Well, the other thing, too, is you learn the discernment of who's for you and who's not for it, and it's up to you to say no. Because if you're constantly pouring into somebody and they're never and they're constantly just taking, you got to love yourself enough to say enough to cut that off. And that's what I see. I only bring that up because I see that a lot People think oh, I keep, I keep giving, I keep giving.

Speaker 2: 51:56

That's the definition of a toxic relationship, whether it be romantic relationship, whether it be a business relationship, whether it be a friendship. If you constantly leave an interaction feeling drained, you need to look at that and say this isn't a two-way street or that's somebody that's an energy vampire that needs to be out of my life. It's hard I struggled with should I, after I healed, should I go back and form a relationship with my mother, my stepfather? And after lots and lots and lots of introspect, I said no and I'm comfortable with it. I will see them at their funeral and I will be at their funeral and I will say my goodbyes there, but it just works for me, that's it.

Speaker 1: 52:39

Let's talk real quickly about sober living, because I know this is something you're very adamant about and I think you're at this time where it works. Everybody's looking at in fact, if you haven't, I'm sure you know him. Doc Amen talks about there's no amount of alcohol. That's actually good for you.

Speaker 2: 53:02

Who'd?

Speaker 1: 53:02

you say Doc Amen.

Speaker 2: 53:04

Oh, I thought you knew who was big on it too was Andrew Huberman. Oh, really Okay. And all the studies about the cancer is like I had no clue.

Speaker 1: 53:13

The inflammation to the brain and the amount of brain fog from. I was shocked to read one to two drinks a week can cause brain fog for five to seven days after you drink. I had no idea because I'm not a real big drinker myself, but I do have wine occasionally with dinner or I'll have a cocktail with friend, but it's really more sporadic. But that really made me pause and say well, wait a minute. I want clear mind and ability to function at my highest level all the time. I need to rethink this. And it's become easier and you go out now. The amount of like mocktails on the, you know, on any restaurant menu and just the amount of people who are now embracing sober lifestyles I think this is sort of like exploded in the last few years. Tell me a little bit about it for you.

Speaker 2: 54:07

I believe in the next 10 years, people are going to look at drinking like they look at smoking cigarettes today. It's like oh you drink, that's disgusting. Now, some of that is due to cannabis. You know legalization of marijuana, but and I'm not going to hate that because I tell you what if you're going to choose one or the other, I'd say choose the cannabis, choose weed only because the collateral damage that comes with it is less. It doesn't. It doesn't distort the body and the collateral damage of what it does to your family is as bad. However, I say sit in your shit, be the buffalo, go straight into that storm and you'll see. You'll get through it so much faster and you'll build aforementioned resilience and get stronger. Because I got a news slash for you Life's going to get more difficult because they're going to send more things to you. We got this thing called old age that we got to deal with. So I had softened my sober living stance, meaning I started out seven months ago when the Heart of the Life brand launched and I said you are an idiot if you drink and you're stupid. And I've kind of softened because there are people out there that can have one or two yourself. It is a perfect example. You can have a glass of wine and it doesn't spiral into 10. That actually was me too.

Speaker 2: 55:22

Every time I had a drink I didn't have 30 and light my hair on fire and go out on it. I could have one. It just so happened that I liked the taste of alcohol and it just was. It was just becoming a problem, and to me, I was spending too much money on it and the fog was taking longer. So what I noticed? The funniest thing in the world I used to go to talk therapy.

Speaker 2: 55:48

I'm not a big talk therapy fan, but the guy. For nine years, literally our therapy would go like this. I'd talk about why whoever I was dating was was crazy and toxic. And I would say what do I do? I'd say break up with them and stop drinking. Break up with them and stop drinking. It doesn't make any sense. And now, when everybody comes to me and asks questions, my first question is what's the nature association with alcohol? What's the thing I have to do with anything I'm depressed over here. I often need a drink.

Speaker 2: 56:25

I have a glass or two of wine every night, so there's definitely a correlation to is it when you drink you're either trying to feel something or trying not to feel something. So why don't we just go and figure out what that something is and solve that something For me? I told you what it was. I didn't feel lovable. My mother did not know how to show me love. She did the best she can. I'd forgive her for it, but I, to this day, crave love. That's why you give me so much love. That's why I love people unless you're so smart, and I love you giving me different perspectives of business and it's a very mutually beneficial relationship. So I didn't feel love. When I drank, I could pick up any woman. I could still pick up any woman. I don't want that. When I drank, I could get women.

Speaker 1: 57:20

Bigger than life, personality, all the guys loved me.

Speaker 2: 57:24

Everybody was around and I could get that aforementioned camaraderie that I got from my stepfather when it was nine. I loved that first drink, cheers and I always had a cheers and everybody always met at my house. I'd be like guys, boys to a good night. That felt love to me. They love man, they love that's misery. Misery loves company. Whoa, whoa, whoa, wait, wait, wait, wait. Misery doesn't love company. Misery hates being alone.

Speaker 2: 57:53

Yeah, and you're completely alone in your thoughts. Woo, you're going to do some destructive things. You're going to find that one friend who is also miserable and the two of you are going to do some miserable things together and commiserate and just keep that negative fall of just a snowball effect of negativity and wonder why you can't get out of it. Instead, find a Michelle, find a Kelly Segal. You're not going to like what you're going to hear, but it's what you need to hear. And I don't know how many times people come to me looking for compassion and they get it, but then it's going to be. Here's what you got to do and it's you got to take a little break from the naughty water. You just have to and sit in your thing and just start. Once you can get that in alignment, they have everything. It's the G, I call it the cheat code.

Speaker 2: 58:45

All of a sudden, I'm clearheaded, I'm not. It's amazing that I made that one decision and all of a sudden, all the chaos in my life was gone, because when you're drinking the other people to drink, they're going to bring chaos. I drove people some people I love home from a wedding on Friday and I stayed late because I want to make sure they got home. And I listened to their conversation. I wish I would hit record. They said the same thing on repeat four times Guys, it ain't cool, man, it ain't cool. You sound stupid, you look stupid, you act stupid, it does stupid things and it ain't fun. And meanwhile I was up in the morning at the gym, six o'clock in the morning, we're working out and everybody else was just coming too. So if we're all things being equal, and you drink, I'm going to smoke you, man, I'm going to smoke them. Now, that's not the way I want to win. I want to beat you fair and square, which I will, but I've told you I was humble, right? I'd say it with all due respect. You know what the win-win is the tool of us winning and we're going to. We've already started how we're going to collaborate, how we're going to move forward.

Speaker 2: 59:53

But again, alcohol, even if you're having, I say, two or more drinks a week, if you're having one, by all means, matter of fact, when I date women, I don't say you can't drink, but you've got to have two or less. You've got to be this tall to ride this ride, and I also like to see people just advancing themselves personally, professionally, and really grinding on it. So, if you think you have an issue with alcohol, you probably do. Unfortunately, the moment that you and it's probably a little bit later, it's the people that deny it are the problems. Oh, and you always know too, when I call it to me oh, kelly's sober, or are you the guy that talks about being sober? And then they maybe like oh, I don't drink, or I don't drink that much. I didn't ask you a single thing about you drink it, but I know right away. So, again, I believe that it's a cheat code and I believe that people are going to get less and less and less of it. But again, you want better fruit. Heal the root.

Speaker 1: 1:00:57

Oh, I like that one. Kelly how long has it been we're celebrating? How many years of sobriety for you.

Speaker 2: 1:01:03

At the end of this year it'll be five years so.

Speaker 1: 1:01:05

Congratulations.

Speaker 2: 1:01:06

And I tell you one more thing I'll leave you with. A great story is every year I bought a house in Florida on the water, with a boat, with a pool, and I bought it during the pandemic with my drinking money and everything I used to piss away on drinking. I bought a house that is appreciated and now I get to spend rechargeable moments. There's times that I go so intensely that I got to go down there and recharge myself, but then my daughter gets to come with me and we have these amazing bonding connecting moments. And every New Year's. I quit on New Year's Eve, 2019. So I guess I use 1-1-9. So it's January 1st of 2019. So it'll be January 1st 2024. We'll be five years, so I'll celebrate five years.

Speaker 2: 1:01:48

I did it stupid. I did it alone. I didn't do it alone, but I did it alone. I didn't go to AA. I did it dumb. Don't do it my way. I'm an alien. I do things backwards, reverse, stupid, upside down, but I get it done. I get it done just when baby results matter. So I have to do things the hard way because I'm stubborn.

Speaker 1: 1:02:12

Part of your life baby right.

Speaker 2: 1:02:15

Yeah, I just tell you, if you're even thinking about not drink, I call it sober cures. If you're even thinking about not wanting to drink, I just tell everybody put in the book 90 day challenge, Take a 90 day challenge. If on day 91, you don't feel the best you felt in forever, I'll give you your money back.

Speaker 1: 1:02:35

I love it. I love it. All right, Kelly, what's coming up next for you? You have an app coming out.

Speaker 2: 1:02:42

Yep.

Speaker 1: 1:02:42

Right.

Speaker 2: 1:02:44

I call it a portal. You're going to help me figure out what it's going to be, but it started off I was doing I was going to do a fitness app. Everybody's messaging me how do you get those arms, how do you get those abs? And I see myself messaging people. Now it's not this, it's you know what. I'm going to put a fitness app up and in my interviewing and fitness apps I stumbled across the portal, which is much more than an app, which is more. It felt more me, because I have way more to give than just fitness. I got personal development, I got ideas, I got motivation, I have nutrition and we're going to go online with a bunch of partners where we're going to be able to offer special deals. We're going to be able to offer a total health human optimization platform is what it's going to be and if you follow it, you will look great, you will feel great, you will do great.

Speaker 1: 1:03:39

I love it.

Speaker 2: 1:03:40

That's next thing. I don't know what I'm calling it yet Seagulls.

Speaker 1: 1:03:44

We'll figure that out together. We'll do that out.

Speaker 2: 1:03:46

That'll be coming out. We're going to do lots and lots and lots of speaking engagements. It's going to be everywhere and every place in 2024. And the goal is to inspire, model and educate.

Speaker 1: 1:03:58

Give back and give back, yeah we have big goals.

Speaker 2: 1:04:02

We're behind our goals this year, but we will catch up. Fourth quarter is always our winning money moments and I look to do a lot more with you now that you're free. I fully expect a full slate with you, because we compliment each other so well. We laughed about how we go. I come at it from a technical standpoint, you come at it from a PR standpoint, but both of us are mindful and mindset. We're talking about how we can, and what does that do? The three of those equals business success. Notice we talked about personal development first, then business.

Speaker 1: 1:04:38

Yes.

Speaker 2: 1:04:38

Everybody has the work-life balance. Then go, get your mind full and you will be good in business.

Speaker 1: 1:04:46

Yeah, and what we've learned over the years. The resilience comes because we are two people who refuse to quit. So there's really no losing. It's just that if we hit a wall, we'll figure out and we will adjust and we'll get over the wall. We'll scale the wall. The next wall will come. We'll figure that out. Hold on.

Speaker 2: 1:05:02

No, you're giving the corporate answer. No, we will lean on each other, we will be vulnerable and we will say what you were feeling, what I was feeling, what worked, what didn't, and how we can cultivate that positive, winning momentum and modality and thought process in our head, because really you've got to manifest it first, put it into action and then believe it.

Speaker 1: 1:05:27

Absolutely, absolutely. All right, my friend, thank you so much for coming on. I cannot wait to see what comes next with you. It's never a dull moment, it's always a moment for growth and inspiration when I spend time with you and I have so much love for you and I love what you're doing in the world, what you're putting out in the world, and I just can't wait.

Speaker 2: 1:05:49

Oh, one more thing Make sure that your listeners go to the Auto and Life podcast available on Spotify and iTunes. I have some amazing guests that we've already recorded that you are going to, whether it be a relationship advice, whether it be business advice, I got some crazy fun times that I've had. It's entertaining, to say the least, and you're going to learn something.

Speaker 1: 1:06:11

It really is. It's a fantastic podcast and we'll make sure we'll have the links in the show notes so we'll be able to direct you to you could see you, adia, you were fabulous.

Speaker 2: 1:06:21

Yeah, and come listen to our conversation and by the way, we didn't even talk about that. You were going through one of the most difficult times and it was. I said what did I say? This too shall pass and what comes next will be greater. And I was. It was in Florida for the July and I'm the phone with you listening. That's love and that's support, and I would do it again and again, and again for you, because I love you dearly.

Speaker 1: 1:06:45

Well, the feeling is absolutely mutual. Thank you so much for coming on and sharing with us your story, your journey, your aspirations and all these exciting things that are coming up.

Speaker 2: 1:06:57

Thank you.

Speaker 1: 1:06:58

All right, love you.

Speaker 2: 1:06:59

Love you too.