47. Texas Slim: Food Sovereignty and the Medical-Pharmaceutical-Agricultural Complex

*APOLOGIES for the audio quality, Slim's connection was poor. However I have pushed this podcast out for the of the importance of the topics discussed.

In this episode I talk again with Texas Slim, food sovereignty activist and founder of the decentralized beef supply movement the Beef Initiative. 

We discuss the industrial agricultural and processed food industries which are intimately tied to a medical system that profits from ‘managing’ and medicating chronic diseases, rather than educating people to help reverse their conditions. 

We also talk about the mindset and lifestyle shift required to move from a passive consumer of a processed food diet (and eventual customer of the pharmaceutical-based care model) to an active and informed consumer that understands the centrality of high quality ruminant meat to optimal health.

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TIMESTAMPS
0:00:00 Centralization and Consolidation of Food Systems
0:12:35 Industrial Players' Impact on Health
0:26:24 Industrialized Food and Corporate Influence Issues
0:34:41 Importance of Food Intelligence and Farmers
0:40:52 Creating Relationships With Local Food Producers
0:47:04 Choosing High-Quality Animal Protein
0:53:08 Individual Actions in a Global Market

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Transcript

Texas Slim: 4:12

Centralization and consolidation of our food systems is unfolding. If you're going to be dependent and rely on Bill Gates other foreign national basically corporations and governments dictate to what you will have access to as far as nutrition and health, then I think you're going to be. You're not going to be happy in this life, and this is not a judgment. I tell everybody day one get over it. This is about saving children's lives.

Dr Max Gulhane: 4:48

Okay, welcome back to the Regenerative Health podcast. I'm Dr Max Kulhane. In this episode I'm speaking with Texas Slim. Now, slim is a food sovereignty activist and founder of the Decentralized Beef Supply Movement, the Beef Initiative. I met Slim in Albury back in February this year at a walkie farm, and we align very closely in our goals of encouraging people to meet their farmer as a means of improving food transparency and access.

Dr Max Gulhane: 5:19

Slim has spoken extensively about the threats of industrialization and corporatization of food systems in depleting soils and in terms of people's access to nutrient-dense beef. So in this podcast we talk about the industrial agricultural system and the processed food industry, which are intimately tied to a medical system that profits from managing and medicating chronic diseases rather than educating people to help reverse their conditions. We also talk about the mindset and lifestyle shift required to move from as a passive consumer of processed food diet and eventual customer of the pharmaceutical-based care model to an active and informed consumer that understands the importance and the centrality of high-quality ruminant meat to optimal health. If you're enjoying the podcast, then I'd really appreciate any reviews on the podcast platforms and any shares with friends. And if you want to learn more about what I'm up to, head to my new website, drmaxchulhaincom. So thank you, and now on to the episode. It's because I think you're one of the very few people who are actually seeing the whole picture, from the individual level all the way up to a very, very broad societal level, and I think about the commoditization of the food supply here in Australia.

Dr Max Gulhane: 6:45

Whenever I fly domestically from Aubrey around Sydney and Melbourne or anywhere else we, especially around this time of year, you can just see fields of yellow and they stand out, because I imagine that no previous time in nature would you have 100 acres of simply yellow flower, just by itself or in constellation like a quilt patchwork with other fields.

Dr Max Gulhane: 7:15

And this is canola.

Dr Max Gulhane: 7:16

This is a rapeseed which was selectively bred to be low in arousic acid so that it wouldn't kill people when they ingested it. But and I talked to an agronomist, david Buschel, about the amount of agricultural input that canola fields need to basically exist and it really reminds you of something that nature didn't really doesn't want to exist naturally, because the amount of chemical that needs spraying on it to simply allow it to survive is enormous. So I think it's really emblematic of where we are collectively, and I know in the US you guys have massive tracts of corn and soy field, but these kind of crops, which you've called false commodities, really emblematic of the disconnect of people and their food. And when we're growing these crops and then turning that into a processed food products, because they inevitably become the Twinkies, they become the Krispy Kreme donuts, they become the French fries, they become all the kinds of junk food that are responsible for what you've mentioned is metabolic bankruptcy of your country, then we can see pretty quickly that this is a whole constellation of factors that are playing against people.

Texas Slim: 8:41

Yes, 100%, and thank you for bringing that up and this is a good this is a kind of a good segment that I'll go through here because it gives really good perspective. And you bring up Rape Seed and where I embedded myself in the harvest company I believe we've talked about that and I went in and did a lot of research on the chemical and the grain companies in the United States and I was up in the northern part of the States, up in the Dakotas, and you had wheat farmers for their crops for being grown. Rape Seed was, of course, was outlawed by the FDA in 1956 for informed human consumption through the genetically modification in the bioengine, the Rape Seed itself. It's where it wouldn't kill you and this is what people need to understand that Rape Seed is a weed. It's a toxic weed that is now one of the biggest fake commodities that we consume across this planet. And by that simple fact is that if you can basically insert that fake commodity in every highly processed food product, how much money are they making off one seed, one fake commodity, whenever they can basically inject it in almost every food product that we now consume? You know why is it that McDonald's started off with tallow suet, animal fat to fry their french flies and then they transferred into basically a fake commodity, vegetable oil, which is canola oil. Well, that was because of the influence, the regulatory capture within the USDA, the agricultural systems of the United States. And you look at the United States and how they've basically, you know, there's now 26 countries, I believe, that will not allow American food into its borders because of the genetically modified and because of the bioengineer.

Texas Slim: 10:37

And then you look at the corn and the soy that you bring up and we use a lot of that corn and soy to feed a lot of our animal protein, our cattle, our hogs, our poultry. Well, those seeds in which we are growing are just as bad as those grape seeds. They're genetically modified, they've destroyed our soil. The amount of agricultural inputs as far as herbicides, pesticides you know everything that is involved to orchestrate the harvest of a genetically modified seed is devastating. And then that seed is now fed to our animals. Well, that is something that is not bad within itself and the reason that people go into grass, bed grass, finished beef, is because of that simple fact of how they've basically hijacked an input that you know cows have been eating since the beginning of time. And if you look at the United States and our cattle basically consuming that genetically modified seed and everything that inputs that are required to raise that cow, then that's what the humans are consuming as well. And that's one of the reasons the beef initiative was formed is to get back into the regenerative input protocols, the input protocols that are required from a regenerative process to basically bring our soil back, bring our health back, by producing really strong and clean animal proteins.

Texas Slim: 12:12

And this is the shift that we have to perform. But we also have to perform it into the consumer's mindset first, and everybody wants change, change, change. It goes back to the individual. Whenever I say a global industrial food shift, we have now governments that are fighting across the global industrial food systems to basically take in any type of resource they can to feed their populations.

Texas Slim: 12:40

There's a food war going on on the global scale and whenever I was in Australia, you know Australia is a bellwether.

Texas Slim: 12:48

You guys are seeing this.

Texas Slim: 12:50

You have very little market access to your number one animal protein in Australia is lamb, and look what they're doing to lamb right now.

Texas Slim: 12:59

So that's part of this global industrial food shift and if everybody out there is still going to rely on the system that is now going through a shift in a way that we saw in the 70s in the United States.

Texas Slim: 13:14

They are going to have basically animal proteins and pure, clean, nutritional food. They're not going to have market access to that food until they take intentional actions to recognize that this is just not in Australia, this is just not in Texas, this is just not in the United States, nor Canada this is the whole Western hemisphere is going through this industrial food shift. But once again it's up to the individual to educate themselves and to start with their health. This is a health initiative that the you know that I founded as far as the beef initiative. It's a great American health initiative being led by the great American rancher, and we're trying to get this spread across the globe because this is a global problem and if we don't really wake up as consumers and as parents and as people that lead in our communities, we're our food system will change forever and it'll be too late.

Dr Max Gulhane: 14:19

Yeah, and look, the thing that really sums up for me this super, the super profits I guess economic super profits that get made from an industrial food system is comparing a equivalent amount of canola oil to the same amount of ghee or grass fed butter or grass fed tallow. And if you look at the amount of food in those two equivalent amounts maybe half a litre and the cost difference between those two, that explains so much about why the industrial food system is so profitable. And, like you said, in the US, it's in Australia but maybe less so. These crops are being fed to animals and that is making these animals, especially the monogastric animals like pigs and chickens. They have a higher level of linoleic acid and polyunsaturated fatty acids in their tissue because of their consuming this diet that is, that's rich in grains.

Dr Max Gulhane: 15:24

You said a bit earlier. You mentioned and you described the this industrial food complex as medical, pharmaceutical, agricultural complex. Can you break that concept down for the for the listener, because I think it would really help for them to understand what? What are the players involved in delivering or industrializing the food and presenting this highly processed food to people? That it that is contributing to their disease?

Texas Slim: 15:54

Sure, and I like to use diabetes as a. You know diabetes to be called sugar diabetes, and of course, they change that now and throughout the last I would say, of course, 50 years, because it's all in this fit since 1971, whenever we're cultural complex. What we want to do is now for the population in the United States is either pre that's a call, you know, consensus, this is happening from Americans in the United States are either pre that this is a new phenomenon Okay, the medical community has no problem diagnosing diabetes. They are basically knee jerking into something that they don't have an approach. The medical community in the United States of America has no approach or no protocol to basically do free treatment or to basically all they have is reactionary care. Okay, what is the reactionary care of the medical complex? Well, it's insulin. Okay, all right, who's making the insulin? Well, that's the pharmaceutical complex. Okay, we just saw what happened during this, this mass marketing, global marketing plan of COVID. Okay, who made money off of all these vaccinations? Well, that was the pharmaceutical complex. Okay, who makes money off of people being diabetic in the United States? For population are now diabetic or pre diabetic? Well, it's the pharmaceutical complex. Well, how do they make money for diabetes? Well, insulin, okay, if you break down insulin care for the individual, that's $900 to be on insulin in the United States. Okay, the pharmaceutical complex creates insulin Every one of them there. Do you think the United States citizens are the ones that are not insulin? No, well, who's pulling for that? Well, that's a subsidized pharmaceutical product that basically the government subsidizes, and so we can inject half of American population with insulin because they're either pre diabetic or diabetic.

Texas Slim: 18:20

Okay, well, how did they get there? Well, they got through through our agricultural decisions. That happened after the 1970s or during the 1970s, when we went from a highly, highly saturated, high protein diet that basically really gave her to our population into the food pyramid. Everybody's seen the food pyramid and that is saturated with high processed carbohydrates and grains. Okay, good, well, that was the agricultural complex. That's whenever we started monocropping all of our soil in the United States to either basically feed these fake commodities into our animal proteins as far as cows and hogs and poultry, or the agricultural complex had basically changed our food system and created popious amounts of new highly processed grain food systems. Okay, what else did they do? Well, high fructose corn syrup. It is never ending the amount of highly processed agricultural supplements that we have now introduced.

Texas Slim: 19:32

So you have the medical, agricultural, pharmaceutical agricultural complex working in unison and it's a circle of basically ill health that does not lead to regeneration of health but that leads to dependency upon the medical, pharmaceutical agricultural complex that keeps you in that will and it's the will of death. Because if you're dependent upon the medical community to say, hey, I'm diabetic, how can I quit being diabetic? If you look at all the documentation and all of the protocols for diabetes in America, they're still not on the same page of eliminating highly processed foods out of your diet and going toward more animal protein, animal fat, basically consumption model. And so why are they doing that? Well, they're dependent upon the pharmaceutical industry. Well, who's the pharmaceutical industry dependent on? Well, the inputs. Who's the input? That's agricultural complex.

Texas Slim: 20:36

And so if you do not understand as individual, you know what are the risks. Why are you going through insulin spikes? Why are you hungry every four hours? Why are you always snacking? That's a new type of consumption model that has happened over the lifetime. I eat water two times a day. I'm never hungry. My course consumption model is 80% of animal proteins and animal fats and, once again, it's perspective that we get here. How did it transpire? Well, it transpired by fake commodities, pharmaceutical systems that are basically, you know, engineering a protocol of injection throughout the globe, and then agricultural complex is not dependent on these chemicals and profit margins, and so really it doesn't. It's new solutions, it leads into more of a demyst.

Dr Max Gulhane: 21:33

Yeah and look, diabetes Australia is just beginning to recognize low carbohydrate diets to manage to treat and hopefully reverse type 2 diabetes. And I think that that shift is occurring not because from any top down impetus. It's simply because the bottom up impetus from people who have reversed their pre-diabetes and have come off insulin and reversed their disease using low carb and animal protein has been so overwhelming that it would be impossible for them not to recognize that as a legitimate approach, which the scientific trial data as well backs up very, very robustly that low carb and echinogenic approaches very valid for reversing diabetes. And to me that just speaks to the cause of the problem, which is your high carb processed food diet and, in part, the the. I love it how you thanks for breaking that down for us and I think a lot of people aren't realizing or they're not cognizant of all the industrial players who have a stake in their disease and what you describe is really a. It's a disease dependency cycle and, just as a drug dealer has a financial stake in people being addicted to drug, to the crack cocaine that they're selling, it's really a corporatized, dressed up version of simply the same concept and you did an excellent breakdown of these, these entities that are kind of profit, profit gathering entities that make money on the system, that is highly industrialized and that is connected between the pharmaceutical industry, the disease and sickness industry, the agricultural industry and I guess the processed food industry as well they all seem to be converging will have aligned interests, that converge on keeping people sick and simply managing their chronic diseases rather than reversing them.

Dr Max Gulhane: 23:52

And that's that's something that I see quite commonly in diseases. That in my clinical practice is. It's called a chronic disease management plan. Quite literally, it's not. It's not a chronic disease reversal plan, it is a chronic disease management plan, and that management plan involves the pharmacist, it involves a whole bunch of allied health professionals.

Dr Max Gulhane: 24:18

It involves a whole team of people that are required to help care for someone who has, you know, end stage diabetes. I mean, if we think about someone who has end stage metabolic disease with insulin dependent type two diabetes, they have multiple organ systems that are affected. They've got renal impairment. They might be on dialysis because they've got such severe diabetic nephropathy. They've got vision issues. They've got, because they've got, diabetic retinopathy. They need to see podiatrists and vascular surgeons because the blood flow to their extremities is so compromised that they get recurrent ulcers and they have constant neuropathic pain. So the constellation of resources that is required to care for someone who has, at the end stage of that consumption model that you've described, slim, is enormous. So I don't think it's not like we're not describing some kind of kind of conspiracy of any means. This is simple looking at the component parts that are involved in caring for someone who has lived a lifestyle that you've described since the 1970s.

Texas Slim: 25:37

It's really good perspective. I mean you can go down that laundry list of problems and issues that is paused Whenever we look at the food. Going back to the beginning of this conversation, you know food was not highly profitable before the 70s. It was based on survival. Food was not overly convenient before the 70s. It was based on survival. Food, basically, was not engineered just to taste good with fake chemicals and fake commodities.

Texas Slim: 26:15

And so I always ask people, you know, if you're really concerned about your health, if you really believe that a life well lived is through health. Health is wealth, wealth is wealth is health. Once again, that perspective has changed. If you're serious about understanding and wanting to engineer your health, then why do you desire what you desire? It's a simple question and you know with me what I do.

Texas Slim: 26:45

I tell everybody this is not a judgment, because you know we talk about obesity, we talk about people that are sick and everybody you know in the United States we've had a form of social engineering. You know if you discuss somebody's body image or if they're unhealthy, then that's an attack and once again, that social engineering that's been engineered into our mindsets. They're a centralized media control and content and communication flow. So if you really are going to get to the bottom of everything, why do you desire what you desire within food? It's pretty easy to break down and most people say, well, because it tastes good. Well, that taste is now being engineered through science. It's not being engineered through the soil, it's not being engineered through a natural taste. It's being engineered through an artificial taste. And so if you break down what I just said, okay, if you want to live a natural life or do you want to live, basically, a chemical engineered life, and this is what they're doing and this is what a lot of people are not aware of.

Dr Max Gulhane: 27:55

Yeah, and we talked to our friend Jake Wolke, a regenerative farmer, and he looked into the brief of the commodity chicken producers here in Australia and their corporate strategy was to produce meat that was soft and bland or moist and bland and reflecting this idea that the essence of nutrient dense food and the characteristic flavor and taste was being dispensed with in favor of a very bland product that then could be fitted into any kind of consumption model to please everyone and really facilitate and enable really large volume, huge amount of industrial output.

Dr Max Gulhane: 28:43

The other point that I want to make is it seems to be that the expansion of this model of creating customers from a pharmaceutical point of view, as a result of processed food addiction and there is the light food component which I'm delving into more as well but you think about, especially in the US, the expansion of drugs like semaglotide, isempic too, younger and younger people, and you mentioned that there's been a push to make comments about body image taboo, because it is part in my mind of normalizing obesity and normalizing the fact that this is an inevitable part of living and that everyone is simply going to get obese and that's normal.

Dr Max Gulhane: 29:38

But therefore the next normal step is to take an injectable GLP1 agonist to the market to help you lose weight, and the push is younger and younger, younger patients. So it seems like there's an endless quest towards expanding the customer base, and that includes pediatric indications or expansion of pediatric use for some of these weight loss medications, which is bizarre and quite repulsive in my mind, because the solution to these problems isn't an injectable medication. It's getting back to fully grass-fed animal protein and animal fat, getting away from their blue-lit screens and going outside. I mean, this is the state that we're kind of getting to collectively.

Texas Slim: 30:32

We really are and you know it is. It's a cover-up and what you know. Look at the look at the industrialization of our food, which required highly processing, to where you could basically create additives to supplement. Okay, your food should never be supplemented with anything. It should be dense, just like you said, your animal protein should be dense, and it always was in the United States.

Texas Slim: 30:59

You go in and poultry now, and a chicken breast is, you know, the size of a football. Well, that's not a real chicken. Once again, perspective, right. And what do they get? Well, how do you get a chicken? Well, it's a weight, okay. Well, how many chemicals are in that chicken? How many steroids are in that chicken? How many antibiotics are in that chicken? How many fake? How many chemicals are in that chicken? Because you know, say it's required because the type of processing and industrialization of the bird, you know it's never ending.

Texas Slim: 31:32

So, if you cannot accept the fact that these multinational corporations and there's very few multinational corporations that control basically all of the food across this planet you there, and you know I've told you before we started this podcast that I was going to share a link with you that's a downloadable PDF. It's basically an e-book of everything that we have as far as a global agri-food, and it is basically describing how they are going towards a one word food group. What does that mean? Less choices, less nutrition, fire profits for those multinational corporations. You know, you and I could sit here for a month and not quit talking about all of the issues. Okay, when is it the? Does the individual take a step back and say, yeah, there's something wrong? What is going on right now is that it's socially engineered into the mindset process planet that you're the reason. It's your genetics. That's a big lie. Your genetics are waiting to be tapped into. Our genetics are something that is a gift and and we've, as the population, as consumers, which have now basically been nothing more than turned into the product itself for the corporate waste of these multinational corporations. But if you go back and you really look at a nation, if you look at a world before we went into a highly processed, highly commoditized, highly profit-driven food system, you're gonna see that the gig is up for them and that's why this is global industrial food shift is happening and this is why they're going for a one group and they're gonna use climate change. They're gonna use basically, we got to feed the poor. We got to feed the children in Africa. We got to do all this. A billion population coming. All everything that they use is a lie. All you have to do is not to feed the community in which you reside. If you can do that as an individual, your world opens up to knowing that you are the solution and that it's time to quit circle jerking on all the issues. But it takes the individual to basically be able to accept that fact and that's why you and I are here, because this is not going to change. They will keep on creating all of these new injectable medicines and what they are is nothing more than band-aid on a huge issue.

Texas Slim: 34:19

And it's up to the individual to understand what food is, what their genetics are, how you can work it within the universe, within, instead of looking out at the universal, external out there, thinking that's where the the, the solution resides. The solution resides in the individual food intelligence that is based on, in which the community in which they live. It is so simple, it's complicated, but once again, that is poses to the individual. You know that exposes to the individual that, hey, I have to quit relying on so much convenience.

Texas Slim: 34:57

We're saying that, basically, localized food is too expensive. Show me your pantry and I'll tell you what's expensive. Show me your checkbook and I tell you what's expensive. What is value? Well, you know, protecting who you are and your health is your wealth, and I think that's something that we have to fight really hard about because of the social engineering. Whenever you can tell a child that is suffering from fatty liver disease age of 12 that it's their fault, it's their genetics, that's where it ends, that's where it stops, and us as, basically, leaders, and every parent out there. If you find that acceptable in the United States, that that is now one of the fastest growing metabolic diseases for children in the United States, then you, you are the issue, you are the problem, because the more that we bring complacency to the children's health across this planet, based on adult consumer demand, based on an adult consumption model, we are the solution, not the multinational corporations that got us here yeah and look, this idea of framing it as a genetic problem is infuriating and incorrect on so many levels.

Dr Max Gulhane: 36:20

And when it's funny when you say to someone, or your fat, your overweight, what they say you're overweight because of your genes well it's pretty funny because if you put anyone, you put these people, these patients, on one meal a day of nutrient-dense animal protein, with fasting, with some cold exposure. You get them in the sun. You know it's a variable that they will lose weight, they'll thrive again and they feel fantastic. So the idea is just so backwards and it really is in service of a profit, of profit and corporate strategy, and it's not in service of the truth by by any means the the. The other point that you made that I think I really want to give some more thought to is this idea of collective obligation, individual sacrifice for collective, of collective duty, and whenever there seems to be something that is convenient and profitable for a multinational corporation, then there's a very, very broad call to our call to action across.

Dr Max Gulhane: 37:33

Some various various actions are not going to be too, too precise, but there's always some massive action that we need to take and it's an individual sacrifice that needs to be made, whether that's cutting out animal food x, y or z.

Dr Max Gulhane: 37:49

So what the point you made, slim, is that there's there's going to be a succession of narratives that are going to continue to advocate for people to eat less meat, eat less animal fat, do all these these, these various, some things, but again, it's not going to be in service of that person's health. And until people realize that there's a disconnect in economic incentive between the people that are advocating, the entities that are advocating for these lifestyle changes and these plant-based diets and all the rest, then until that people realize that I think they are going to be continued to be a victim of these types of narratives 100%, and that's why you know I come from, I'm a research analyst, I came from big tech, I came from agriculture and ranching, of course, as far as my heritage, you know, but my professional life was because of my small town was, you know, being destroyed by the agricultural, you know explosion that happened.

Texas Slim: 38:53

Okay, let's look into how we look at food and how we basically even know what food is. It's a marketing plan, and the global marketing plan right now is just like what you brought is like hey, there's a war and beef, now the cows are going to hazard. Okay, first off, if anybody believes that the car is a car, the, you are being sued. It's the biggest lie. That's being protected right now and, as you said as well, the individual has to make a sacrifice of eliminating, well, protein out of their diet. See, that's a prohibition. That's what governments do, that's what the powers that be. They control and they create prohibition to those in which they serve. And, once again, if the individual cannot understand that, the lie that is being perpetuated in the Western Hemisphere as far as climate change and we have to go save the planet because the cows are farting, that is laughable. Once again, though, you have Henry Kissinger in the United States, saying back in the 70s if you control the seed, if you control the food, you control the people. Well, you look at the monetary reset that is going on right now. You look at the industrial food shift that is going on right now. How do you control the people? Well, you control them through food and you control them through money. And if anybody thinks that the inflation that's going on in the world right now has nothing to do with actually the industrial food shift that's just coming, once again your paying attention and your perspective is way off and you need to quit on centralized information. For your consumption model, be it your video, your video or your food, you have to engineer a new protocol of understanding what food is. That's the form of food intelligence that you, the individuals, need to create. Look at you and I. The reason you andI is because of food intelligence. You're a doctor, I'm a cattleman and you've got a step for a generative, basically decentralized food system that we've created within the beef initiative. Every individual out there can take the same actions that you and I do every day. You're healthy, max. I'm healthy. I mean, why are we healthy? Density of animal protein Once again, it's so simple. It's complicated. You don't have to overthink this. If you want to create a fresh start, just basically turn that food pyramid upside down, take a look in the mirror and find a protocol that you can live with. And where's your entry point? Sometimes it's a 48 hour bone prophes, sometimes it's a consultation with somebody like you, dr Max. It's not as hard as people are making this, but we have to make it to where they do have an on-ramp of understanding, of perspective in an entry point. If we keep on and just keep on saying that how bad they are doing it, then we're not in the solution.

Texas Slim: 42:05

Jacob Wolke, first generation regenerative farmer in Australia, just killing it. And he's doing it. Why? Because he wants to keep his family healthy. He's not a rancher, he's not a farmer, but he is now because he chose to feed his family in the way that he wants to, not a multinational corporation, and his family is healthy. What else do we need to show people? This is not a genetic problem. This is a consumption problem. Consumption of what? Basically devalued food, that is, a debased currency that is basically buying debased food. What has happened? What happens to a debased currency? Well, they have to increase profit margins. How do they do that? Increase yields? How do they increase yields? More bioengineering, more chemicals, more pesticides, more marketing plans and more chemicals to make it taste good. That was that.

Dr Max Gulhane: 43:05

Yeah, it can be somewhat a triggering topic that we're talking about for people who've never really thought about this, and I'd invite people who are listening to really maybe take a moment and consider what Slim is saying and what we're discussing in this conversation and, rather than feel offended or instinctively repulsed, maybe allow the ideas to sit and consider how perhaps the process of outsourcing decisions regarding food and health are perhaps leading you in a direction that is not the direction that's in your best interest.

Dr Max Gulhane: 43:50

And I think it's a great segue, Slim, to talk about what people can do, because I know you're famous for your comment of shaking a rancher's hand, and in my clinic I like to tell people go and meet your farmer, because it for me, I think could be the most critical single act that people can do for their health for their own health, for the environmental, for environmental health, for their community's health, for economic empowerment of their local area is to simply meet a farmer and source their food directly from that farmer. So pitch us, tell us why we should be meeting a farmer, given everything that we've just talked about.

Texas Slim: 44:40

There and I came up with a phrase go shake your rancher's hand. And why did I say that? Well, because that's personal relationship management with somebody that wants to feed you. That's what they do. Let's use Jacob as an example. He lives and dies to feed his community and everybody else that wants to create a market access to his product and his service. Okay, everybody's going to. And the one thing that I get all the time and this is one of the reasons I form the deep initiative and the way we do it, is that?

Texas Slim: 45:13

okay, not everybody in Australia or in the United States can go shake a farmer's hand or a producer's hand or a rancher's hand. We understand that. But what you can do is you can make an intentional pivot. And this is a crossroad and what you can do is you can go and find somebody, like with the beef initiative, beefinitiativecom. You have a searchable index now with over probably about 180 producers in it. Now. Every one of those producers came in voluntarily. I didn't ask them. They don't have to pay money to be in there. We have a free index. We're expanding the index to have a mapping system, basically a story kit that people can look and really get to know in a more intimate way the producers. There's means to do this. We live in a digital world. You know the beef initiative was founded so we could create that peer-to-peer access to who wants to feed you and you the intentional consumer that wants to establish that relationship. I cannot speak of the volumes of empowerment that you get whenever you create a relationship with somebody like Jacob Wolke. He has a first rate protocol. If you want to shop at his butchery, well, you have to go do a farm tour. You have to go shake his hand, and what a great way to do that. Once you've shaken his hand, once you've done the farm tour, then you have access to his online 24-7 butchery where you can get your animal proteins and continue the education and continue the relationship.

Texas Slim: 46:54

There are so many people on this planet right now. Because I've seen it. I've traveled around the world. I've been to other countries. I was all over Australia. You know I was over in Australia for a month. I've been in Australia, I've been boots on the ground, I've talked to individuals. This is not a problem just in the USA. This is just not a problem in Texas. This is just not a problem in Melbourne, sydney, all the way up the Gold Coast. This is a national, this is a global problem and this is what people once again perspective.

Texas Slim: 47:29

If you can accept that this is going to unfold, then you're going to basically create a new lifestyle, and this is the best way to do it is relationship management with those people in your communities that want to feed you. And if you cannot get market access in flesh in person to those people, I guarantee you, if you reach out to somebody like Jacob Wolfe, he's going to give you tools. If you come to the beef initiative, you're going to be able to find anybody that you need, that wants to feed you, and this is just not a marketing plan. This is not Amazon. This is just not basically an interface, surface level system that provides you a box that gets delivered to your door. This is a lifestyle shift and it doesn't have to be daunting. I have not had one person that has come into the beef initiative A producer, rancher, farmer or a consumer that has ever left. Once you're in it, you understand what we're talking about.

Texas Slim: 48:36

The biggest decision you have to do is just take that first step. How are you going to create a relationship with those people out there that are waiting for you? You know we're going through asset reallocation. Look what happened in the Netherlands 3,000 farms are gone forever. Does anybody know that? The Netherlands creates some of the best produce in the world and they help feed most of Europe? Okay, what's going on in the United States? That's that reallocation. Bill Gates, china over a half a million acres collectively bought up farmland. We don't have access to that farmland anymore.

Texas Slim: 49:14

Okay, centralization and consolidation of our food systems is unfolding. You're going to be dependent and rely on Bill Gates, other four national basically corporations and governments dictate to what you will have access to as far as nutrition and health, then I think you're going to be you're not going to be happy in this life. And this is not a judgment. I tell everybody day one get over it. This is about saving children's lives. And if you think the health of the, I'll speak to the United States. If you think the health of this nation is acceptable, you're wrong. This is a new phenomenon and it's only happened in the last 50 years. Get your perspective, understand where you stand within this global industrial food shift that is going towards a one world food group, and you have to engineer your relationship, management with food, with a producer, and that takes intentional living, it takes a pivot in your lifestyle.

Dr Max Gulhane: 50:20

Yeah, I couldn't agree more, Slim.

Dr Max Gulhane: 50:22

Just as the movement becomes more global, more centralized as the months and the years pass, so is the antidote or the solution that you and I are suggesting is getting even more decentralized and even more individual.

Dr Max Gulhane: 50:42

It's almost like two polarities that, as each of them are pulled further and further apart, the solution becomes more and more simple, one of individual choice, individual intentionality, individual and economic decisions, because, as you mentioned, it's simply about economically empowering the person that is producing pure food for you in a way that is highly beneficial for everyone, except those who are the multinational entities that would otherwise make a whole bunch of profit.

Dr Max Gulhane: 51:16

So I think that's a fantastic call to action for people and wake up in many ways, because the fork in the road is really to disassociate oneself from any responsibility and continue in an unintentional lifestyle. That pathway is well worn and that pathway is laid for you, and that will involve the consumption of processed foods, including vegetable oils, fake proteins, glad grown meats and other forms of industrially grown meat with all kinds of chemical contamination, and then the inevitable visit to your doctor with chronic disease diagnosis and the attendant list of medications that manage those chronic diseases or that the other fork in the road is what we've been talking about, which is intentional lifestyle choice sourcing pure, fully grass-fed, grass-finished beef from someone who is interested in providing you and your family with high-quality food and then disavowing or obviating the need for any form of chemical treatment because you're simply healthy and well. So I think that's to not make it too much of a dichotomy, but I think really that's what it's coming down to.

Texas Slim: 52:44

It really does and that's why I would continually say it's so simple. It's complicated to meet most people, you know we have to have a mindset shift. You know that's the hardest thing to get people to do. You know we're complacent. You know our cognitive dissonance is extremely deep these days. You know, whenever you can get and I tell people, but it's all the time, you know.

Texas Slim: 53:07

You look at the marketing plan about, you know, veganism and you know this is being orchestrated because the some people that did the global marketing plan for COVID are unleashing the global marketing plan for the climate change and how they're classifying food. Now, okay, you look at the digitization of our consumption model, from audio video and to food and how they're letting you know I was in Australia and look how you label your beef in Australia. That is not something that anybody else is seeing. You're a frontrunner, okay, your government is frontrunner in labeling beef with five different labels. It's something that's carbon neutral and this is the CO2 test. It's grass, you know. It's organic, you know. And they just keep on regulating. Well, what they're doing is they're turning out protein into caviar. They'll be able to afford it or that you're just going to eliminate it because of idealistic reasons. They're based on a bunch of deceptions and propaganda.

Texas Slim: 54:11

When it comes to climate change, if you are going to continually to rely on these people to to design your health, then you will come up short, and this is what we have to do is to get people to understand this. And if we can do that, you know, slowly but surely, but with honor, with transparency, authenticity, integrity, I'll tell everybody my why. My mission is to save children's lives. If we don't do something, the health of our nation is done. We don't have to worry about war, we don't have to worry about anything else, because if you do not have good market access to the type of proteins and the type of basically truth in food that I have lived in my lifetime, you know there's no turning back here, and so, once again, it's the sovereign individual mindset that gets you there, and if we can collectively do this together and collaborate, then we have the solutions yeah, and look, I've seen the consequences of the reduced meat advice that young women particularly seem to be susceptible to.

Dr Max Gulhane: 55:27

And there's appeals to altruism, there's appeals to this idea that you know it's not that women should be eating, you know salads and and all these kind of subtle narratives that pervade popular culture, and if that gets expanded to you know, the whole society shouldn't be eating, should be eating very little red meat, and people's natural inclination towards altruism and compassion gets really tugged and their heartstrings get pulled.

Dr Max Gulhane: 55:56

Then that's a very insidious way of making people sick, because it makes them feel guilty for consuming what their biology needs, which is nutrient dense red meat. So I think if we again, if we're aware that these tactics are being employed, then people can take steps to educate themselves and make steps towards meeting farmers, meeting people that have their best interests at heart and, as you said, this is about helping the children, it's about helping patients and it's about helping people live the most optimal life and and in my clinical experience, a diet that is rich in high quality animal food is a key part of that. So I think it's a great call and a great wake-up call that you're providing them for people.

Texas Slim: 56:47

Well, and I really appreciate this. And whenever I first started, you know, I called this the Texas Beef Initiative and I had to tell people, you know, up front, and I had some of my very first podcasts I said, hey, this is a health initiative and it's being led by those people that want to give you clean animal protein. This is what people need to understand. This is not a marketing plan. This is an industry shift. As they are performing industry shift upon us, that form a prohibition of not giving us market access. Now you look at you, look, let's look at Australia. Your number one animal protein that Australia produces is lamb. Why are they liquidating lamb? Basically? Why is the lamb not, you know, dissolved in Australia? Why is all that lamb? Well, I've been into the stores, I've been into the supermarkets and you guys should have a far better selection to animal protein in Australia. Where's that lamb going? I know where it's going. It's not going to the Australian citizens. It's being sold on the global market to the highest bidders.

Texas Slim: 57:58

Australia produces a heck of a lot of beef. Where's all that beef going? I know where it's going. It's going to the highest bidders on the global markets. You're not getting, you're being given access to a lot of your resources, a lot of your citizens and your soil and your water are providing your country. Where is your animal protein being shipped to? They're not getting rid of that cow. They're getting rid of the lamb. What they're doing is they're not going to give the Western Hemisphere consumer citizens market access. They're going to basically put it on the global market and basically is where it's starting to buy and end competition on the resources in which the consumers do not understand that's unfolding.

Dr Max Gulhane: 58:51

Yeah, it's a very complex geopolitical game and people are kind of unintentionally can get caught up in everything. But, as you say, if we keep it on the individual level and really think about us as individuals and what we can do, then it makes things so much more clear and easy and we don't necessarily need to get caught up in the machinations of everything. And what you said earlier in the discussion, slim, it really made me think of a Texan cattleman Buddhist monk who is simply advocating for a complete turning of inward. It's not about the external world. It's not about finding fulfillment or solution on anything externally. This is an internal game that every single person has to a journey that they have to go on themselves, and the outcome of that internal journey will be finding a path that is first in your best interest and then in the best interest of your family and in your community and outward from there. So, yeah, I really love it, slim, and thanks for coming on and sharing your perspectives. Do you have any final or closing thoughts to share with people?

Texas Slim: 1:00:14

Yeah, and once again, you know they're in Australia. When we had that summit, that beef initiative micro summit, there at Jacobs and Wokie Farms, I get up in front of everybody and I said I'm going to live rent free. In your head, you're either going to love me or I'm okay with that, because I know why, I know my, I know our renter, you know what happened and I don't have to. I don't want to apologize for your complacency, but anybody out there that's doing this, I apologize for approaching this. This is years of research, this is unfolding. Everything that I was writing three years ago is coming true right now. And once again, I'm here to save children's lives and, if you can understand that, you do not want to be so confused that you basically reach human right now and looking for a different form of interaction with each other. We're trapped in a digital, basically algorithm that's making us feel alone. It's basically separating us from ourselves. In a way, we have religion of self. Now we don't know that self, you know, and our friend Izzy talks about that all. But it's so true. It's okay to basically start over, it's okay to pause.

Texas Slim: 1:01:41

There are solutions out there and we have so many testimonies from people that have done the simple little actions that we were talking about today and it saved their lives. I met somebody in Boston. It was a couple and they weren't going to have children. They weren't. Their medical health was compromised. Well, they heard one of our podcasts. They changed their consumption model. They now have a baby girl. That baby girl is being raised with protein number one and they're all healthy. They're all healthy, happy.

Texas Slim: 1:02:14

They didn't change much. They just changed their consumption model and everybody has to remember the reason this happens is because of where we put our dollars. If you take the dollars, your intentional spending out of this basically complex, they have no power. I tell everybody, if you believe that everything that we're saying even isn't the truth which it is, it's all the way true. If you can do that, then basically quit validating the decisions as the individual. Every time you go to the supermarket, every time that you compromise, every time that you go and search for convenience, every time you do not basically intentionally plan your consumption model, you're validating the deceptions. I don't care to validate the deceptions, I will not, because I want to check my son, basically be able to have as much innocence and happiness as a child. That's not too much to ask for. If you can't do it for yourself, do it for the children.

Texas Slim: 1:03:18

It's not as much. I don't want children on diabetes. Children shouldn't be on anti-depressants. Children shouldn't be on all these medications. That has just happened in a very short period of time. Within the beef initiative. We go to the beef initiative, beefinitiativecom. Sign up. We have a newsletter, five publications now. Max, I was talking to our executive producer, june. He follows you. He's following everything you guys are doing. This collaboration is on and on Everybody out there. Go and sign up, get our newsletters, become part of the collaboration, share it, be bold, be straightforward. Put hide in the shadows Insumption models it's an underscoring model. Decide and communicate, with respect for you guys and everybody in Australia. That's all. Guys, be bold. Don't know when, but we're going to continue this and we're going to keep on doing this type of collaboration, communication, education, entry points for solutions. We're just not going to talk about the issues anymore. We're going to find, basically, a new market, access to life. That's what we're here for.

Dr Max Gulhane: 1:04:31

Fantastic. Well, thank you so much to them and we'll talk again soon.

Texas Slim: 1:04:38

I appreciate you, max. We will see you sooner, definitely. We'll see what we can come up with. Thanks, scientist.