Inside the Life of a Medium with Michelle Simmonds

What’s it really like to live your life as a working medium? In this soulful and unscripted episode, I sit down with my dear friend and gifted colleague, Michelle Simmonds, for a soulful conversation on the real, raw, and often unseen sides of mediumship, from the inside out.

Michelle and I go way back in our spiritual journeys, and in this honest exchange, we pull back the curtain on:

✅ What it feels like to connect with spirit—emotionally, energetically, and physically
✅ The personal challenges, integrity checks, and growth edges that come with this work
✅ How our mediumship evolved over time, and what surprised us most
✅ Why our friendship has been a lifeline in the spiritual trenches
✅ The quiet beauty, power, and responsibility of this sacred calling

There’s no script, no polish—just two mediums sharing from the heart about our experiences with spirit and the transformational lessons that continue to shape us.

Whether you're an intuitive, a fellow practitioner, or just curious about what it means to walk between two worlds, this episode is a peek behind the veil you won’t want to miss.

Show Notes:

Michelle Simmonds’ Bio: 

Michelle Simmonds is a spiritual life and business coach, intuitive medium, and the founder of Michelle Simmonds Coaching. She helps purpose-driven women awaken their inner power, align with their soul’s truth, and create lives filled with confidence, abundance, and meaning.

As an evidential medium, Michelle also works closely with those who are grieving, offering comfort, healing, and connection through messages from loved ones in spirit. 

Her compassionate approach brings peace to clients by providing clear and validating evidence that their loved ones are still near. 

With well over a decade of psychic mediumship and coaching experience, Michelle blends spiritual connection, mindset support, and soulful guidance to help her clients move forward feeling supported, seen, and spiritually empowered.  

Connect with Michelle:
 Website: www.michellesimmonds.com
 Instagram (Coaching): @michellesimmondscoaching
 Instagram (Spiritual Medium): @michellespiritualmedium

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Joy, hey, beautiful soul, welcome to spirit speakeasy. I'm Joy Giovanni, joyful medium. I'm a working psychic medium, energy healer and spiritual gifts mentor. This podcast is like a seat at the table in a secret club, but with mediums, mystics and the spiritual luminaries of our time. So come behind the velvet ropes with me and see inside my world as I chat insider style with profoundly gifted souls, we go deep, share juicy stories, laugh a lot, and it wouldn't be a speakeasy without great insider secrets and tips. You might even learn that you have some gifts of your own so step inside the spirit. Speak Easy. Hey, beautiful soul. In this week's episode of spirit speakeasy, I am so excited to share with you my dear friend Michelle Simmons. We met very early on in my mediumship journey. She had already been exploring her gifts for several years at that point, but she really has been such a meaningful friend. She's such an incredible soul, fantastic medium who has so much integrity. And I've been waiting to have her on this podcast, anticipating the day when I was going to invite her the conversation. I didn't really have, like, a specific agenda for it. So I love that it goes in a mediumship direction. I know you all always love hearing about mediumship and kind of the behind the scenes, inner workings of our gifts and how we express them. Michelle generously shares with us some stories from her own mediumship and her own work. So without further ado, I'm so excited to introduce you to my dear friend and amazing colleague, Michelle Simmons, hey, beautiful soul, welcome back, or welcome in for our conversation today, I'm so excited to introduce to you my friend and colleague Michelle Simmons. Michelle is a spiritual life and business coach, intuitive medium and the founder of Michelle Simmons coaching, she helps purpose driven women awaken their inner power, align with their soul's truth and create lives filled with confidence, abundance and meaning. As an evidential medium, Michelle also works closely with those who are grieving, offering comfort, healing and connection through messages from loved ones and spirit, her compassionate approach brings peace to clients by providing clear and validating evidence that their loved ones are still near with well over a decade, I'd say, well over a decade of psychic mediumship and coaching experience, Michelle blends spiritual connection mindset support and soulful guidance to help her clients move forward, feeling supported, seen and spiritually empowered. Welcome in. Michelle Simmons, thank you so much joy. So happy to be here. I'm so excited for our conversation today. I am so excited to be here with you. I was teasing you before we started recording. I've been saving you. I've been wanting to ask you to be on the pod forever. You and I actually met during some of our mediumship development. Yes, many years ago. How long has it been more than 10 years, I think since I've known you? Yes, yes, exactly, exactly. It's been a long time now we've done ours crazy leadership journey. Yes, it's been, it's been a while. Will you share a little bit with our audience about yourself, your journey to uncover and discover and embrace your gifts and and how that showed up for you? Yes, I will, as the so when I was, I don't know, 15, had a couple of little unusual experiences, and so we went on a school trip. We went to a place in Tasmania, which was where the convicts used to come when they first brought them to Australia. I was 15 on a school trip, and as I were walking, coming around the side of the ruins, I just knew what was next. I knew the building that was next. I knew the pathway. And you know that feeling of deja vu, and that was very, very weird for my because, you know, working out with girlfriends and just saying, oh my goodness, look, I know what's going to be here. And it was around the corner, wow. So that was the first sort of experience where I thought that's a bit unusual, and then sort of a little little things on and off. But I when I was about 18 and moved out of home, I really got drawn to the Tarot, and then I eventually got drawn to Reiki, then I was drawn to crystals. And in my early 20s, I started sitting in a mediumship development circle and with my very first teacher in Melbourne, and so sat there for years, and since then, the same as you we've had mentors and teachers from around the world. Yeah, and it's been a really fun journey, but also really difficult, because, as you know. Uh, sometimes our experiences come in fits and starts, and, you know, things come along which are a little bit tricky to handle, and then families and relationships and things come in. But always through that lie, there's been that thread of spirituality the whole way. And I've always known that no matter what happens in my life, that that level of spirituality, that internal guidance on top of intuition. Yeah, sure, the mind to mind communication that we're doing with mediumship with our loved ones in the spirit world has been there to be supportive through all the ups and downs of life. So that's the sort of strong constant that I have, that connection, is that's that strength, that inner knowing. So I don't know if that explains exactly how and it's so I mean, yeah, it's so interesting too. Because I think people don't realize that as we're developing these gifts, whether we've known about them our whole lives, are only for a segment of our lives, it really we we still have this human journey that is so uncomfortable that that we have to be on that I think we don't always think of that part. I mean, I know when I was outside of it, I thought maybe psychics and mediums had some like inside track to avoiding problems and challenges and pain, and that is just not the case. So that is absolutely not the case. I think we walk exactly the, you know, even though we have this sort of, like, heads up about some things, we still have to, we still have to live our life in the real world, even though true half the time we'd love to be, you know, with our one foot in, in in the other world, we really do just have to be grounded in this world. That's so true. You are in Sydney, Australia, which I should have said to let everyone know that you're one of our Australian friends. Will you share a little bit about what a development circle is and what it looks like? I don't know if we've talked about that on the pod before. It's not the most common thing here in the States. And actually, you and I were in a development circle as part of a class together, and that's the first time I'd ever even heard of that. So will you share a little bit about what that is? Yes, I came across this lady when I first moved to Melbourne. I was in my very early 20s, and she did psychic mediumship development, and I had all it was always an interest. But, and she looked like a little elf. She was a tiny little lady with pointy little ears, and she she was very strict with her, with her teaching and her respect and the things that you did and didn't do. And so we started off with things like sand trays. I don't know if you've done that where, when you're absolute beginner and you really don't have the confidence yet, you someone in the circle. So everyone would close their eyes, someone in the circle put their hand in the sand tray. Sand tray, and then she'd hand it to somebody else. And you would do a reading based on the energy you picked up. So you started on the psychic level. Interesting. It was very, very good. And then sometimes they would, she would hand out like a card upside down, say, Oracle Card or tarot card. And she was a fabulous Tarot teacher as well. I did her course as well, and she you you would guess the card, basically, get a feeling for it, do the reading on it, and then see if you got the right card, and see if the person could relate to the reading, because it made you not work with your eyes and to use your actual intuition, because if you couldn't see the card. And then we did the same thing with photos. So she would put a photo, you'd put a photo, or she would put a photo in the envelope, and hand out the envelopes, and you would have to put, like, a tiny little pen mark so you knew which one was yours. Okay? And then you would do the reading without taking the photo out of the envelope. And usually it would be a person in the spirit world that you'll be connecting to for that person. So there were different exercises for the different levels that we were doing. So we were doing mediumship on photos, and then you would allow to take the photo and look at the photo and then tune in directly, especially if you knew and you couldn't tune in very well. And then you could hold the photo and see the photo and tune into them that way. So that's so interesting a way to start out where you guys, because I know some groups are what's called closed, some are open. So sometimes it's only the same people all the time, would be a closed group where, like, it's, this is the dedicated circle, and no one else is loud and open. For those that don't know, is when sometimes it's the same people, sometimes it's different people. It's kind of anyone's welcome. Which type of a group was this share two groups so that you would go in the beginners group and then you would sit in the other group. But I've sat in open circles as well, and that's fine as well, because sometimes when you're sitting in a closed group and you're reading the same people over and over and over, yeah, you get to know them too well. So the thing is, when a new person comes into an open circle, it's like, Oh, someone fresh to read, yeah? So that's that's sort of fun as well. But they both have their advantages, because the energy develop in a circle, when it's a closed group, becomes really strong and really intense, and then you can work. You can do even more amazing things in the circle. Yeah? Yeah, I've been blessed to sit in some amazing circles and see some amazing things happen, including physical mediumship. So I don't know if you've seen that, where you know something, yeah, move around the room and that sort of thing. And I was blessed to be able to do that, sit in a circle for a little while, for a little bit, and that was super exciting. And do that. So I've said it all sorts of circles and done it is because you you don't know what you can do until you are tested or until you try. So it's a good way to learn. When I feel like when someone's new, it can for me. Anyway, I just felt so anxious, so nervous, so afraid to, like, say the wrong thing or do the wrong thing. But I think that that's one of the beauties, for my perspective of the closed group, is it just becomes like a safe little bubble where you trust each other, and that's why the energy can grow and you're not, like, you know, I can say anything to you, and it's fine, and, yeah, that's it. That's exactly true. That's exactly true because that is the trickiest part, is trust and not wanting to make a fool of yourself. Yes, totally. And so if you know the people and and you know that everyone is, you know, has closed lips, they're not, they're not talking outside of circle, which is obviously one of the rules, then you do have that safety net so it doesn't matter if you mess it up. Yeah, exactly. I mean, like you said, an open circle is great, because then you have different people and different spirit people to work with. And it's not always the same. But for me, I think one of the biggest things at the beginning, because I came to the group that we were in together to figure out, like, am I a medium? Am I not a medium? I wasn't totally sure yet. That's a big sticking point. Often for people at the beginning is like, am I even a medium? And did it? Does it go away? Does it? You know, my goodness, the number of times I've said to my husband, oh, my goodness, I don't know if I can do this, he just rolls his eye. Because even when you've been doing it for a while, if you don't do it for, you know, a month or so, even though, unconsciously, sort of tune in all day, every day, listen to your higher self, even, you know, you come down to situ, it's a new client. You don't know them. You don't know how open they are. You don't know if they're trying to trick you and, you know, test you with with things, which happens often, as you well know. So so there is that bit of anticipation, and also because you want to do well, you're trying to help people heal. Because, as we were talking about before, mediumship is for healing, one of the things is for healing. And so, you know, I would say that all the mediums that I know are truly empathic and do really want to genuinely help people. And so there is that anticipation of, Oh, I really want to help these people. I hope I can connect, you know, because we have no guarantees, as you know, no guarantees. And then the other hard piece is like, is that person available for the healing that can come to them through the session? It is, and that's all part of the learning for, I think for most of us, is what part is our responsibility versus what part just can come as like a natural part of the session itself. That's exactly right. That's exactly right. It's a sticky it's a sticky part. I'm always amazed how many of us, at some point, have done some training in either Reiki or some version of energy like I think it's kind of funny. My goodness, there's a number of people who I've met in mediumship who started out doing Reiki. It seems so many and or they started in massage, and then when they do Reiki, and then with the Reiki just opens up their abilities, yeah, and so it's just a natural progression. I mean, mediumship is a natural This is my belief. Anyway, mediumship, I believe, is natural, but it's like everyone, everyone can sit down and play the piano, but some people are naturally gifted, in a way that they that's really good with them, with the music and hearing music or reading music or playing music, and then they hone those skills, and they become an exceptional, say, concert pianist, yeah. And so I think mediumship is a little bit the same, because you hear of people who who have said that they're the least a mediumistic person, and then in a moment of something incredible, they hear a voice, yeah, or they hear a message, totally. So I think it's there. And everybody the same as the ability to play the piano. Everyone can push the keys. But I think there's definitely a whole scale of abilities. And I think there's saying this. So you and I haven't talked about this, but the way my guides have shown it to me is like it's the same example that you're giving, but through sport where, like anyone can play a sport in their backyard on the holiday or in the summer with their friends, but some people, there are certain athletes that are more naturally inclined, or just have this potential within. In them to build to the highest professional levels if they still put in the time and the dedication and the, you know, all of the effort, because it wouldn't get to that level without all of the focus and concentration. But everyone can communicate with their own loved ones. Everyone can sense their own people around but does everyone want to talk to other people's loved ones, or do it on a stage or in front of, you know, strangers? Probably not. I agree, kind of similar, yeah. How did you I do? I do have some extra little notes about you. So there was a time in your lovely life where you decided to become a medical scientist. How did that happen? And how did you decide, or give yourself permission to, like, loop back to exploring your gifts? Was that always just kind of a part of what was both things happening for you at the same time? I'm so curious. I didn't know that about you until I read it. Oh my goodness, that was the biggest internal struggle to go from working as a medical scientist, where everything is measurable, everything I'm very sensible, very grounded, very down to earth, and then all of a sudden, on the other hand, I'm reading Tarot cards for my friends at work and and hearing, you know, passing on messages from their loved ones, and trying to to bring those two ends of the scale together. For me, I really did struggle with because I thought, My goodness, if I'm communicating with the spirit world and doing all of these things, which at that time I'm talking 30 years ago, was bit sort of out there. It's more accepted these days. And I thought my reputation as a scientist, who you know it, I really did struggle with, who am I? And I did keep that hidden for a long, long time because of did I accept it? I knew it within me. It was it was who I was. Yeah, I knew it was part of me. It's just who I was interested in. But also I did apply that science to my mediumship when I was practicing and learning and said, Okay, well, this is the experiment. Did this work? Did this not work? And looking back at it like that, so that it worked in that way. But I did worry what people who knew me as a medical scientist would think realizing, and she speaks to people in the spirit world, and she can predict, or she thinks she can talk to invisible people. Is something happening here? Yes, and deciding when to share that with people, because, you know, I have kept it hidden from some, some part of my life, but people who have friends, who are inclusive. They all know, but that's that's not hidden. But I have revealed it to people who I've really liked and and thought, well, you know, they then I'm not going to hide who I really am from them. And I have told them, oh, by the way, you know, I speak to, you know, people in the spirit world. I'm pretty intuitive. And then ghosted, because I think they think that you know everything about them, yes, and you're not going in there to read them. I don't know what their deepest, darkest secret is. No, like, if they're not my client, like I don't, I have my own stuff. I don't want to know. Well, also, it's disrespectful to tune into somebody if you don't have their permission. It's like, it's like opening their mail. You don't go and open their mail. You don't, you know, we have ethics in mediumship, and one of them is, you don't read people without their permission. Yeah, so, I mean, okay, as an as an empath or an intuitive person, you've got to pick up on their mood or or that sort but you're not reading them. You're not going you're not like talking to their grandma or talking to Yeah, because you're busy leading your own life, trying to hold your own things together and get your own stuff done. But I think people think that you suddenly know all everything about them and and that's sad, because, you know, I'm thinking of one lady in particular, she was such a lovely person. But I thought, I'm not going to hide, hide this. But then, you know, you can't, you can't predict, oh no, not predict. But you can't always know how they're going to react. Well. And I mean, we're kind of not seeking this out and then having these experiences just on like field trips, class trips, on your own. It seems like it's such a natural part of you that even though the medical science was a natural part of you, it's we can be so black and white sometimes culturally, where it's like, oh, it's got to be this or that. And like, why can't it be all the things I don't think you know this about me, but when I first started training in Reiki, I did all these science experiments with it, with, like plants, because I was not a green thumb at the time, and I had like a control group, and I was measuring water, and was just I needed to prove it to myself, yeah? So funny, right? No, I was a snake of a nerd. After all these years, we were friends, did you? Yeah? It I do. That's I love it. That's all like the work of Professor Moto, the gentleman who did the yes, the water, the ice crystals, yeah, Reiki, and it changes. Or you just even sending, sending love, or putting love, the word love on the warmer. And the results incredible it is. And it's such a for me, it's such a profound lesson, especially in self talk, because we're saying those things even silently in our mind, and our body is mostly water, and what is happening, like, I don't know, just the Yeah, the inferences like, are big, my goodness, yes. And you look at some of the religions, when they bless their food before they before they eat the food. Hello, yeah, talk about raising the vibration of food. Or, you know, bless, your water, before you drink your your water, yeah, you know, raise the vibration. I love that we're talking about this, because these are some of these little nerdy medium practices that I don't think people realize. These are the type of things we do in our day to day, not like, Okay, let me read my you know, whatever, I really am trying not. It does happen once in a blue moon where I will, you know, become aware of someone when I'm out and about, or I shared a story on go when I was at the Apple store, I just was aware of someone. And, you know, did give a little tiny snippet of reading that was really needed. But I typically to your point, like, there's some ethical boundaries that we have, that we're it's just frowned upon. I always think of it as like, you don't know if that person's ready to hear, like, maybe they're at their job that day, not prepared to, like, have a full emotional experience, right? Exactly? Although, you know, it's funny, sometimes spirit will step in, even when they I did actually have that this was with a family member, and that that person's father had passed away 20 something years ago, and I closed my eyes on meditation one day, and I saw this gentleman, but I didn't recognize him until my dad actually stepped in, stood next to him, and I was like, oh, that's And he had a message, and I passed it on to that family member. And I didn't know what was going on with them. I didn't know what their but the message, and he didn't give anything away. When he gave it to me, he just basically popped in to say, I approve, which was I passed on the message. I don't normally do that, but it was a family member, and they know me, yeah, well, if they know you, if it's a total stranger, I sometimes will tell the spirit person, hey, they've got to bring you up somehow, or open the door somehow, and then I'm happy to help. You know, clever, clever. Exactly, you know. Because sometimes clients will come and they'll put you in a situation which they're not they're not meaning to do. But so I've had a lady come and sit down in front of me and say, I want to know exactly when my dad's going to die. Oh, geez, yeah. Hello, ethics. But b I'm not God, but you do get a good feeling for it. But I just went back to the spirit and said, Look, you need to give this to me in a way that I'm happy to share this information, because the responsibility of what we say weighs so heavily on my shoulders. I'm very, very careful with what I say, yes and about especially not with, you know, people wanting to become reliable, relying on you to make decisions and things. Hello, that's not empowering. I'm definitely all about self empowerment. Well, so, so So spirit, basically, they came through, and they said that she would get back in time for the funeral for her father. I should know not funeral, she would get back in time to to see her dad before he passed, which is what her actual question was. Oh, interesting. Yeah. So, you know, you get, you get asked things, and you think, my goodness, I I'm not in a position to answer that and be comfortable within myself. So that was, that was one where I just go back to spirit saying, give this in to me in a way that I'm I'm happy to pass that message on. Yeah, had he been ill? And she was wondering the time, the timing, you said. She was wondering, could she get back in time? Yes, yes. So she, what she really wanted to know was, was she going to know is, was she gonna make it back to see her dad before he passed away? So I don't know. It was a very quick reading that I was doing. It was like a 15 minute reading. So, yeah, but that's all, that's all she wanted. She came in, sat down. I just wanna know when my dad's gonna die. It is so interesting to me too. I wonder if this happens for you. Of like, sometimes the question the person asks is not the question at all. It's what they've packaged it to be. But like you said, her actual question wasn't, when is he going to pass? It's, am I going to get to have another moment with him? Am I going to get to see him? So I love, I mean, to me, that's part of the evidential validation is spirit didn't answer her question in the way she had posed it to you, but kind of came in a different direction, and was like, actually, just let her know she's gonna see him. So which was the actual need, right? Yes, absolutely, you know, and that's, that's that was quite healing for her, that she didn't have to, you know, to worry about. Because, I mean, some of the other healing messages, and we were talking about how. A healing mediumship can be is, and some of them have really stuck out for me. So there was a lady whose son had passed away in a car accident, and she just had a little niggling doubt about whether or not it was actually an accident or, you know, it was something else. And he came through to tell her it was an accident. He was just speeding, and the road was wet, and so that was very healing for her, because, you know, people just have that little niggle at the back of their mind, you know, is this? Is this? Was it really this? And and they can torture them in a kind of way, for sure, forever. So, um, yeah, until they come to peace with whatever they can. But yeah, sometimes there's such, such healing for things like that. And also, you know, one person it was, they didn't make it back to the funeral, and they felt so guilty about not making it to the funeral, and spirit came through and said, not a problem. Don't let it go. It wasn't a problem. So, you know, there's just sorts of those sorts of things, which seems like such a little thing, but it can be so healing for people to to let that guilt go. Or, or someone has a new partner now, and their partner, do they know? Do they know about my baby? Do they know that I've gotten married? Do it? Yeah, I love those Exactly. Or do they approve of my new partner? They're feeling bad about whether or not she wanted, she wanted, basically permission. Yeah, didn't want to upset, or didn't want to think that her partner was upset. Okay? So she lost a partner and was marrying a new partner. In that case, her ex was in the spirit world, that's right. Then she had a new partner. It was just, does he approve? Yeah. So that's the sort of thing that people need. The leadership brings them healing. And also, as you know, when we're doing readings, we're teaching at the same time. So the number of clients have been well, my my loved one's been gone for five years or 10 years, or are they still around me? Or it's I felt them so strongly immediately after they passed away. I felt them in the house. I can't feel them anymore. Have they left me? Yeah. So they think that they're not there, but I'm like, It's not they haven't gone away, they haven't faded. Your memory of them is fake, because over time we sent it, we tend to think of them a little bit less, but they haven't gone anywhere. They're still just a thought away. But the fact that we're not thinking of them as much or as often or as intensely, we think it's them. Yeah, my favorite is when it kind of comes up organically in the reading where I just had one this week has it's only Monday when we're recording this, but I feel like I'm still connected into last week, because just been a stream of days. But it's like, sometimes I don't know what their question actually is, or that that's on their heart, wondering, like I had the converse of that recently, of like, oh well, I've just been so much in my grief. I everyone else is feeling them. Why am I not feeling them? They popped into a dream early on, but now I still haven't felt them. I don't know what's happening. And it's interesting. This person's spouse on the other side, brought it up before they even because I kind of like to see what comes organically. And then if they've got questions, they can ask him later. But it was, he was indicating. And I was like, Are you you've been feeling like you, you don't know why you're not feeling them around and everyone else is feeling them and not you. And they were like, Oh my gosh, yes. And I was like, Oh well, they're indicating. Like, no, it's just your grief is loud, or, you know, whatever it is in that situation. So it's, it is interesting, the common threads and the questions that people have that maybe the spirit world kind of gives that detail or that message before we even really know what the question is, those are my favorite and exactly because isn't that great evidence? That's totally what she was thinking, Yeah, even if she hadn't discussed that with anybody else, but that's how she was truly feeling. And then you've brought that through to her. So she's like, Oh, hang on, Spirit. Do know what I've been thinking? Yeah, they are close to me, so it's brilliant evidence those are the best for me, because it's like, and then sometimes it's depending on the person, the spirit person, right? They have personality. Still they have some of them have very strong sense of humor, where I find myself apologizing and saying, like, I don't mean to be a reverend, but your person is so funny, and they're saying it in this sarcastic way. And I just had someone just the other day. It was a different reading, but the spirit person was saying, like, Oh, I'm so proud of them. They finally, like, got out of their robe and are putting some clothes on to go run errands. And the person was like, Oh my gosh. Now I know it's them, because I just started doing that two weeks ago. And it's those that for me is, I think a lot what it is let me know what you think, but like, it's those little details that they wouldn't have even thought to ask about, but are the most meaningful and the most evidential in proving like, oh, how would they know that? Just two weeks ago, I put my robe up and. Have clothes on now, exactly such good evidence. But I was just reminding of one that she had been trying on a red dress in the and it was just her, obviously the cubicle trying, trying on the dress didn't look good on her. And the person who came through was like, yeah, it didn't look good. And I saw you in the red dress, and it was a good decision not to like sense of humor. So it was, it was a loving, kind message, but also explaining to your clients, if you didn't ask your grandfather when he was here for financial advice, you don't ask him for financial advice when he's in the spirit world. Will you say more about this? Because this is a big one, but it's true, though it's true, yeah, you know, you Yeah, you wouldn't be they're the same sort of personality, so, you know, so if they were not a particularly fabulous person and kind on this side, they don't suddenly become all knowing, grow angel wings and suddenly turn into, you know, a lovely, kind person, immediately when they pass over, yeah, they still, immediately after they're still the same. They do seem to change over time, and they seem to soften and and learn and heal and things over time, but immediately, if they've passed over. So I had a gentleman come through, and he was not a pleasant read, tuning into his energy. And she was saying he was not, not a great human to her. And I said, Well, he's, he's not apologizing at all. He's and she said, if I had said to her that he was apologizing, she wouldn't have believed me. Yeah, because his personality hadn't changed at that point, and he was, he was still the same person he was immediately after. I do think they soften over time. And I do think that so me, personally, my dad, when he passed away all those years ago, when he was on this earth, he was very quiet, very shy. But now, when he comes through, there's no evidence of that he's he will present to another medium, if they're bringing them through he and they'll say, Oh, he's presenting like he seems sort of quietly spoken and shy. But then once they've brought through that piece of information, so I know who it is, he then, you know, puts it into another gear. You know what I mean? Let Yeah, no, like team. So it's not still that same. So they do change over time. It's been my experience, but they will come through as that original version of him. Because if someone had said, I've got your dad here, and he's super outgoing, I'd be like, yeah, that's not him, yeah. If you didn't like it, I have a different understanding. But, but, but, yeah. So their personalities do stay the same. Yeah, they have their same sense of humor, their same like, if they wouldn't have liked that red dress when they were here, they don't like it still. Or they are like, Oh, that's a I don't like that color on you, or whatever it is. So it's to your point. I do feel like it's, I don't know if it's through the life review or just through the expansion of their soul, but I do, I do notice that often they are acknowledging, oh, when I was here, I was like this or I behaved this way. And now I understand, I keep thinking it particularly with, like a dad I communicated with recently that was like, Oh, when I was here, I wasn't so warm and fuzzy. I didn't understand emotional needs. And now I realize I could have been I could have had a different relationship with my kids, or, you know, whatever it is. So yes, and sometimes they do come through and apologize, sometimes, if they're an apologetic person, but I've also had them, like, acknowledge something, but it's like I can feel in the energy and the emotion that's like, I want to move to the apology, and there's a stickiness, and I'm like, Oh, they still are not going to give a direct Fauci, and the person will be like, That's them. So it happens, yeah, evidence, that is them. But also, I don't know if you take it, if you go to sort of soul contracts, maybe that was the role, maybe chosen, you know? So if that's still in that part of that experience, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know until I get over there understand exactly how it all goes. I think a lot of things are above my pay grade where I'm like, Yeah, I don't, I don't pretend to understand all the inner workings. And I've asked a lot for my guides and my loved ones, and a lot of time they the way that they give it is like your understanding is so limited, and it's just a sliver of what's true that is true, but also so much more than that that you're not, like, you're not going to get it over there, and I'm just like, okay, that I that's fine. Yeah, I have, I have heard of heard that. I come across that before as well. And also what my understanding of what I was taught 30 years ago, we have new understanding now. So it used to be, back in the day, parallel life, past lives, past life. So now it's parallel lives. So interesting thing, right? Yeah. And so I haven't wracked my right brain around all of that yet, but I. Yeah, it does seem like a really interesting and it does kind of make sense considering time as a man made construct. So yes, I was, you know, I was unwell a couple weeks ago, and during my downtime, I did a lot of YouTube, deep diving into quantum physics and all, just all kinds of strange subcategories. So it's like, Oh yeah, it's just so much that it almost I can only absorb bits, and then my brain hurts and I can't quite wrap around it. Yes, understand, understand so interesting. And the other thing is, like, sometimes as mediums, we don't always know even like, what good evidence is. Because I think people often think we see the whole movie of the reading or the story beforehand, and I don't, I don't, I don't know about you, but I feel like I'm feeling in the dark the whole time. Yeah, so, so they, they will give us one piece of evidence, and we hand it over, and we get that feeling of, did I? Did I interpret that? Right? So we might see, you know, like some people, I don't know if they understand, but say, we, I as a medium if I said blue Apple, where you see blue apple in your head? That's how I see my mediumship. I see it in my head, or slightly, slightly in front, subjectively, so we might get a symbol of a red rose. But also, Was it really that this person gave them a red rose, or is it red rose a symbol of of deep love. So we get to interpret the symbol. So if that's open to interpretations, but once we get the right interpretation and we know what that is, then they'll give us the next piece of evidence, and then you tell the story like you get the they give you the story that they lead you through the story, because I can't give it to you all at once, because they're working with what memories you have and what frames of reference you have in your own mind. So yes, you explain a little bit more about that. I don't, not everyone we have on the pods a medium and so I don't get to talk this much about mediumship with everybody, necessarily. And I don't know that we've really expanded on or explained much about that facet. We talk a little bit about that, about how they work with us, the mechanics, yeah, how they're using our own references. Because sometimes in a reading, someone will say, Oh, can you tell me what they look like? And I'm like, Well, I mean, once in a while I can, but usually no. So I'm like, oh, no, they're showing me my childhood home, or my grandma's house, or my place I recognize with wood paneling on the wall, yes, yes, exactly. So they will which, so it's like symbols, so you just imagine that they will go through the filing cabinet of our brain Dropbox, basically my rolodex, my final cabinets. And so they will give me a feeling of a situation, if I've not been through that exact situation, but they'll find something similar to and then I'll say to the client, okay, this is the situation I experienced, and it made me feel like this. Can you relate to that situation? So I may not get exactly, or they'll show me a car that say my father had at some point. And then whether they're saying that's the actual car that they're talking about, or that's the color of the car. I've got to work out exactly, because quite often, or sometimes, they'll show me a photo and you're looking in and sort of describing it. So it seems to be different for everybody. It's never exactly the same every reading. It's because it means different mind you're communicating with. So they're not going to be the same. And some, as you said before, are humorous, and some are switched on and and some can come through. I've had this several times now, and sure you have as well where you're reading for somebody, and they will say, actually, I had this just recently. This actually blah, blah, blah person connected to me passed away a couple days ago. The funeral is coming up in a few days. Yeah, can you see? Can you get a message? And I just say, look, I will try. I cannot guarantee anything. I don't know what the situation is. And more often than not, they're good to go. They're ready with messages. They're ready for proof. They can say how they're feeling, or what's happened, or who was around them when they passed that sort of thing. And I mean, not, not absolutely always, but that's happened a few times where this is a great point, because the truth is, when someone comes in to see us, whether it's on the computer, in person, for me, I know you're the same, I don't want to know anything. I don't want to know who they're there to hear from. And so I never, like literally, never know if the person's been there a day or 40 years. And I just had one earlier today that she said the person had only been crossed over for just a couple days, and wasn't even sure that they could come so it's, it does seem like they can communicate pretty quickly. They really can, and I think that's not a problem from the Spirit side. But if, if someone is on earth side, and they've just had a passing and they're deep in grief, I absolutely would not recommend them come for a reading, because good point, it's for so many different reasons. One, energetically not gonna be able to hear half of it. Yeah. Yeah, but also they, like even my own, dad been a medium for decades. He had been gone for three days before I had got myself to a space to be able to I actually saw him in my dream. He just turned on such a real experience. But that took three days, and I was a little bit annoyed with myself, to be honest. Hang on a second. I get medium. Why am I talking to my dad right now? Because the grief I'm a normal human, just like everyone else, your dad passes, your dad passes, there's grief. And I it was three days before my body came, you know, calmed down enough, and my mind calmed down, my emotions calmed down enough to see him, and actually, you know, communicate with him, so I got over myself, but yeah, it took me three days for my own dad. Okay, so this brings up a really interesting question that I'm so excited to ask you about that I've been trying to figure out over here. So the dreams, some people get the dreams, some people never get the dreams. I very rarely have dreams of loved ones and certain loved ones. Most of my loved ones have never come in a dream I haven't quite sorted out yet. And maybe it's a an answer we can't answer. But I don't know if it's some people on the spirit side are better at doing the dreams, quicker at doing the dreams. I don't know if it's something about us in our human form that some people receive dreams and some don't. Because I've even had families in here where one person has received the person in a dream and like several others haven't, and they're like, I want him in the dream. Or do you have any thoughts about how all of that works? I think I know I put you on the spot of it. But that's okay. This is my just my own personal view. Yeah, I think, I think it depends on us. Because I have a client, she dreams all the time, very vivid, gets all her downloads through, through her dreams. She is just a powerful dream person. Personally, I've had maybe three, three dreams in all the time. Yeah, so I think if we are getting enough sleep and the right depth of sleep that we get into that that state, I think we can do, I think they can probably also insert themselves in that our dreams as well. I definitely, but I think we have to, I think we kind of need to meet them halfway. I think they can help with their energy, but I think we've got to be in the right space. Oh, and, you know, sometimes you have dreams and you wake up and you can't quite grab them. So I think also, if you practice it, you can get better at it. But interesting. I had a dream so my dad, I had a dream with my grandmother. So same thing, there was no talking with my dad, like, as in, if I was just communicating. I just saw him, and he looked at me and smiled so serene. And I just thought, okay, here we go. That was like his sign, he's good. He's in peace. My nana just saw her. Same thing, all good. I had a very interesting dream, and it was, you know, when you're half asleep, half awake, just as you're waking up, and I saw my mother in law, and she was floating a foot off the ground. She was transparent and shimmering, and she was crying, and she said to me, can I be on your team? And I thought, That's a weird dream, because she'd just been in Australia. She'd just gone, flown home. Wow, healthy as anything. Not a problem with her. I said to my husband, oh my gosh. Had a dream about your mum. She wants to be on my team. Know what she was talking about? Told my friend who I sat in a mediumship development circle for five years for told her and said, So saw my mother in law floating transparent crime was to be on my team. She had no idea either. Unexpectedly, six weeks later, my mother in law passed away. Wow. And so finally, my mediumship friend. And I, actually, I also talked about to another medium friend. None of us, you know, a millionaires, would have guessed she was passing away. She was super healthy, yeah, and nothing, nothing wrong with her at all. And, and, you know, it's a little bit like, seriously, my husband was like, why is my mum crying? I was like, she obviously, her soul must have come to give me a message to say she knew she was going to pass. Yeah, and then could she be on my spirit team? So fascinating. So even the dream, I said, of course, but I just didn't understand what she was really asking. But that was the weirdest dream. That is really strange, and I do, even if we don't consciously have information, sometimes I do think our souls probably, I mean, I would guess that they probably know things in advance. Did you this is probably a weird question, but did you tell her about the dream, or do you not tell her? I don't know if I would have told her, but I did not tell her. I did not tell my father in law, because it was a bit weird. And, yeah, we didn't always get along the best at times. Yes. So that was a bit weird. I did tell my husband straight away. Seems like you had just had a nice visit with her, too. So what exactly she'd seen the boy, she'd been here, absolutely nothing wrong with her. Flew home, and she'd had all these, you know, they'd had these 50th wedding anniversary celebrations, and, yeah, she'd done the trip. She'd done all these celebrations. So it was it, it was like perfect, like everything was like, if you would sort of sing down to pick a time. And she actually always said, always that she never wanted to be in a nursing home, interesting or aged care facility, as I call them now. But so she never wanted that. So she knew that she always, always said that, that she never wanted that so interesting. And I do think sometimes, particularly in the dreams, I know that they don't always, typically, when I hear about the visitation dreams, they look healthy and well, and they sometimes look like a younger version of themselves. But I also know that they can sometimes look totally different early in my work, when I was really only doing Reiki and kind of opening up for quote, unquote messages from guides and things, I had one client, she'd been with me for a long time, and I just kept becoming aware of this woman standing next to me that sort of looked like the woman from the Titanic movie with, like the long hair and the nightgown and The whole the older woman the whole thing. And I said it to her afterwards, and I was like, I don't know if this is a guide or what this is. And she said, Oh, that's my mom. She's been coming to me in dreams for years. Initially, when she first came, she looked like herself. And then since then, she comes, and she looks like that, and she we fly in my dreams, and we do all these things. So her mom had kind of changed her appearance in the way she was showing up in the dreams over the years, which I thought was so, but she wrecked her soul. Recognized her. She knew that's who it was. When she would see her in the dream event, she'd say, hey mom, and they'd go adventure. And she's so interesting. Absolutely, I've actually come across that before. I've heard about not my own personal experience, but the was a child in the spirit world, and then, over time, presented at the age they would have been, Oh, that's cool, when they were coming through. So the moving, like, you know, growing with time. At the right they would, which is a really weird concept when you think supposed to be timeless over there, only time is meant to be here. But presenting at that age was a little girl. Yeah, I do. I do feel like I've experienced that before, where they even in a reading, it was the gal, and I felt like she was like about late 20s, like 28 and then in my mental pictures, I kept seeing her with the dollhouse, and she looked about six, five or six. And I was so confused. And I kept trying to place her as passing away in her late 20s. And then I just said, Okay, give me just a second. Let me work with this here. And then I understood like, oh, no, kind of what you said. She was little, she had an illness, and then it's been 20 years she's grown and wants them to know maybe it's just their way of explaining that to us. It's hard to work that out as a medium, yeah, when you're doing it, yeah, when you say it is, it is. And because you're like, thinking, hang on a second. Just give it to me in sequences, and you've got to go back and really. And so do you remember when we were being taught in class, once they were talking about, you reach up, you touch the spirit world, and then the vibration comes down. They reach up. You touch the spirit world, you get the next bit. Yeah, you touch the spirit world, get the next bit of information. So, you know, if it's getting to that bit where you think, hang on a second, the flow just seems sort of stopped. And I'm getting a bit confused here, a bit not understanding the way they're giving me the information to sort of go back in and get back into the zone. If you know what I mean, tune back in or raise your power, sit in the power, raise your vibration. However you're going to do it and get back in that zone. Okay, give it to me again. Give it to me in another way. Yeah. I can make sense of this. Yeah. So they're so gracious with me, I feel like they are constantly giving it to me in another way. When you were talking about the roses, I had someone not long ago that kept giving me this really intricate, you know, little tea cups with the saucers that have the little roses. And that was correct, and she but it was sticky in the energy of the reading, and it wasn't quite flowing. And I knew something wasn't quite right, and then I kept seeing it again, and I was like, I'm definitely missing something. And then I was like, hold on. You have someone whose name is Rose, actually, who also had these teacups. And she was like, Oh my gosh, yes. So I feel like the problem is always with me for with them, but they're so patient. We're doing our best, but it is hard to, you know, you're never quite sure if they're giving you exactly the thing or the name or the symbol or the rose can mean healing, or, you know, all the things you know, just Yeah, and they all like you said. They communicate so differently, just like people communicate differently. They some I feel like there's a. Lot more pictures, some it's more audio. Audio, clear audience, internally, subjectively, inside my, my brain, yes, sometimes it's just the knowing. Sometimes I just find myself saying things and I'm like, Okay, I don't know. I'm just gonna say these things. So well, fascinating it is, and it's lucky we do have those other faculties and way of picking it up so that we can bring through information from people in the spirit world who never spoke English, so that's the best Yeah, yeah. Or who are nonverbal completely, or who didn't, yeah, have any ability to communicate our language so you get the feeling of it, or they can show you the image of it, to give it to you in a way that you can pass on that the person understands, you know what, what the message is, and who the person is. Because sometimes you've got grandma on that side, grandma on that side, and there's another grandma as well, and someone who's like a grandma, and you've got to split them all up, you know, yeah, who's who I feel like the spirit world at this point in my work anyway, it's grown a lot over the years, and hopefully it still keeps growing. But I feel like, what I'm always telling people, if they say like, Oh, I've got, you know, three aunties that were just like that, and I'm not sure who you have, I'll say like, Don't worry, let's just keep working. And they will continue to give information to identify themselves from the others. And inevitably, they always do. And there's one bit that is different. Or, you know what I mean, soaks them in from the others. Exactly. I go into exactly the same thing and say, Okay, how do you know? How would you just, how do I pass on the information? Oh, she used to love to dance, or, you know, or this one thing, she was the one who, you know, they do. They often like to come back and say, because sometimes people have in their their some of the final memories they have of their loved one is that they're not well in hospital. That's true. And they've got got things wrong, and they'd like to come back and confirm that I can walk now I can eat properly, now I'm not in pain anymore, yeah, so that they healed, can have their healing from the mediumship reading, yeah. So that's, I mean, that's the whole point. We're doing healing, and sometimes it's healing in advance. I had this last week where the message that came through was something was about to happen, trying to say it in a way, but, you know, confidential, I'll just keep it really general, but I'll keep it really general, but there was something that was about to happen on a global scale, and this was going to impact this person and and her work, okay? And so spirit came through and said, This is going to happen. It is going to affect, it's actually going to make your work more difficult, the work that you do, and don't lose hope, because actually, your work now is more important than it ever was. Wow. And so she was like, okay, you know, you know, you don't know until it happens. Yes. And then we had an email exchange going, don't give up. Don't be upset about it. Keep going do what you need to do so that, you know, yes, it's harder, but they were trying to the spirit world gave her a message to ease her grief before she had the grief to pre encourage, my goodness, yes, because she, she said, you know, she often thought about just throwing in the towel and walking away. Yeah, they're like, no, no, no, it's going to get hard, but you need to keep going, because it's really your work is needed even more so. So it's interesting. So they will bring through a healing message to preempt a situation. And so those are so fascinating to me. And I think one of the most important things I don't know, that I think to remember for anyone who might get a reading someday is the spirit side. Knows the greatest need of our soul is often the way we say it, or the need of your heart, or what's what's really been on your mind or troubling you, or what you need, right? And sometimes the questions that we might think to ask or the catchphrase we might think to like, wait for is not even the best that the reading could be. It's this, like, Hey, you don't know about this yet, or I'm thinking of one. I know she wouldn't mind me sharing this. It was like a family group reading, and her brother's on the other side, and he was sharing with me that she was pregnant, and I didn't know that. Everybody didn't know he wanted to be the one to announce it, but he was that kind of personality that would want to, like, steal your thunder and announce it. And so it's kind of hilarious, but it was exactly what the family needed in that moment to really believe it was him, because it was things that they didn't even know. And so I feel like, you know, I have a little bit of a pet peeve about the catchphrase thing. I'm excited to talk to you about that for a minute. So it is, it is really, really difficult. So yes, and you know this, but I'll share it with the audience, yes. So I did a reading for a lady she'd lost her grandfather. This is 20 years ago. Plus. And so it's okay, I can share 10 years when I read in your bio, 10 years, I'm like, 10 years, Michelle, oh, it's just very humble. But it was, yeah, so she, she came to me and I gave her this reading, and it was, he was a really good communicator. He was a really good communicator. Came to a game, but I 15 minute readings, because I was doing this is, like, so long ago, way back when I did psychic fairs and did readings there to get my, you know, get my practice in, yeah, and at the end of it, she said, but I had a code word with my grandfather, and so she was ready to dismiss all of the evidence she just had for this one code word. So my heart sank, and I thought, oh gosh. So I went back to him and said, Please, you know, grab what it wasn't I want the code word. Please show me the code word. And all I could see was colors and this painting. And i My heart sank. So I went back to her, and I said, Look, really sorry I didn't get a code word. All I can see is these paintings and these colors describe them to her, you know, for this. And she said, Oh, actually, that's, that's what it is. So she's actually trying to trick me into saying, Oh, it's this word. And it clearly, it wasn't. It was obviously a painting. So that was her code for it, and it was only that one piece of evidence that she was like, Now I know my grandfather's Okay, and I'm thinking, I've just given you 15 minutes. It's about your grandfather, right? Yeah, it's a little bit frustrating, because I don't know why the first thing out of his out of his mouth, but the first message was painting, painting like, why didn't he just, I don't know. I will never know. I wish he had. I always think it's because maybe they like, they have to get me to understand it in a way that I will give it like, I'm not just gonna give random words. That's, I hear Mavis in my head snatching, that's snatching that's like, very like, random, and makes no sense. And so they have to give it in a way that I will talk about it or say it, or so maybe if he would have just said, painting, painting, painting, you would have been like, I don't want to. I don't know what I need, something different. Yeah, yes, but I think, I think it's hard. I can understand why somebody would want a cold course. Yeah, of course. But what if the main name just cousin doesn't, cannot catch that meaning or that word, or what if it's a word that's not in their filing system. They don't know. They don't have a symbol for that word, for their spirit team or and maybe they just don't hear it auditory. So I don't know. I can understand why you would have a code word totally but also, you know, maybe not dismiss the entire reading if they come especially everything else was. I mean, the way you and I are trained is to give specific details, not just to say, Oh, it's a man. He has an M in his name. That's all I know. Like, I'm sure you gave much more detail about him as a human being that would have shown that that was him versus anyone else. But do you know some people, they in a reading, they only want to hear from one person? Yeah, they only want to hear one thing, or one code word or and they're closed to everything else, and it makes it a very difficult read. It is hard. It's hard work. Because, you know, I know you know this, but it's our energy, their energy, the energy of the spirit world who is creating this link. And if they're going to sit there and say, prove it to me, and you usually still get the information through, it's just so much hard work, well, and it's just, I always think, like, it's just not what the reading could have been. It's just not where it could have gone to, because they're not in a place to allow it. Maybe, yes, and I don't know it, and I can understand why they would be skeptical. Why do I want it in brackets test the medium. But I think you get to the point me like, my gosh, I've been doing this for so long, like it is what I keep thinking of. It's kind of like, similar to your story, where this young man, his dad, had passed away. It's been a lot of years now, and he kind of similar, like the whole reading, lots of detail, lots of things we had been discussing how he had his dad's car and restored it since his passing, and done all these things, and it was in a car show and all of these things. And at the end, he said, but can you tell me what my dad called me as a nickname? And what happens for me is my humanness immediately ignites. My brain comes in. I get some sort of, like, internal panic. I'm just like, I don't know. I don't know at all. And the crazy thing, not crazy is probably a nice word. But the strangest thing was that it was such a normal it was like, buddy or something. It wasn't even like a unique, special, specific nickname. It was kind of a general nickname. And I just was like, okay, but like, to your point, I mean, I understand why someone would want that one thing they. Wanted. And I had another one recently that was a parent that had lost a kiddo, which I think is the worst possible scenario that can happen for a parent. And I had given the whole reading, and then all of a sudden, at the end, I even felt like this kid didn't really like the water, didn't, you know, I just was aware of it in the back of my mind. And at the end, I was like, This is so weird, but I just need to talk about, like, did you guys take a cruise? And she's like, that's the thing I needed him to say, to know for sure it was him. And it had been a whole reading of all this detail. And I just was like, oh god, that's a dicey, dicey proposition, isn't it? Because our humanness does kick in. It doesn't matter how long we've been doing this that we want to serve? Yes, we want to serve the client in front of us and serve the spirit world. Yeah, we want to do a good job. And then, but we our self doubt kicks in. Go, hang on a second. What if I get this wrong? You know, they're going to disregard everything. And if we just calmed down, just went, Ah, it just feels like body then, yeah, but you just, I think, I don't know, does it come with time and experience? Because I'm still not there yet. I don't know. That's a good question. I mean, maybe some, because I definitely have, well, you said it at the beginning. It's in fits and starts, right? There's times where I feel like, oh, wow, things are going really well, and everything's deepening, and these are such specific details. And then there's other times where I just don't know if I could find a spirit person to save my life, like it's just it is just like that, I think. And that's why the thing with mediumship, it is such a difficult career choice. If you're gonna call it calling path to walk because you're not drinking alcohol beforehand, so you're not, you know, you're you're staying off the sugar. You need to have your sleep. You need to have had time to rest and meditate. You need to have got yourself into a space. It's not like you can just rock up to work, you know, tired or exhausted, or whatever, you can't your work starts days before, so true. There's so many family members I can't speak to the day before. I'm if I have readings in the day, I like, I won't speak to my dad. Sometimes listens. I love you, dad. I won't in the day forever reading because I don't know, and I get frazzled, you know, yes, I, I don't. I stay away from, you know, YouTube or or, yeah, that sort of no scrolling or anything, because, and I also know that when I'm getting ready in the morning to be switched on ready, because the messages are coming through, whether I'm trying to blow dry my hair or, you know, getting the makeup done, get ready, get everything sorted, ready for the reading. And the messages are starting to come through before you even get there. And I say, Hang on a second. Recorder here, you can have to come back later when the clients are from, yeah? Or just certain details that you're like, Oh, that's really weird, that I'm noticing that house number is that, you know what I mean, yes. So they start to get the heads up, yeah. You start seeing the same thing, like you said. And then you realize, hang on a second, you know, I'm hoping this is for the first client I'm reading and not the second, yeah, which client it's for, then the choice of mediumship, same as you. I always say, like, Come back, come back when it's time, and come a different way. Because otherwise, if they, if I was aware of someone earlier, and then they come back in the second session, let's just say I get doubtful and I think, like, Oh, that's my mind creating that because I felt that earlier. And so I've even told them, like, you've got to come a totally different way if you've already come. Yes, I do that all the time as well. Because if you've read someone a couple of times over the last few years, and you not that you remember that stuff, but if you've read them a few times over the years, and you know that you've read the whole family, so you kind of know the bits that are going on. I do the same thing. Give it to me in a different way. Give me something you haven't given me before. Yeah. Give it to me, you know, so that I know and I and if I do remember something, I'll say to the client, look, I can remember last time we spoke that this happened, just give me your heads up. And then the rest of it. I can't remember because I don't usually remember a lot of this stuff, but if I do remember, I will tell them same Yeah. I'll say the spirit, well, give me, give me other stuff. Don't go back in on the same link. You know what I mean, yeah, I'm sorry. It'll be kind of, yeah, kind of like you said, like, I know we've talked about this before, but also, did you do this? Or, you know what I mean, I'm aware of this whole other thing, because the truth is, we have so many stories of our lives, especially if someone's lucky enough to get a lot of years and pass away in their senior age, it's so many little, minute memories that we would have shared over the years that they really can bring all kinds of things. They absolutely can so many things and things that you've you know, the person's even forgotten so totally you bring through the message, oh, yeah, I completely forgot. Blah, blah, blah. I love those, whatever they used to crochet doilies. Yeah, that's right. But the reason that evidence is so good is that person wasn't sitting there with that in their mind, like it wasn't in their psychic energy. You're not, yeah, you're not reading that. You're it's something that they, you know, do. Know weren't aware of wasn't in their thought pattern. So you're not, so you're proving that you're, especially if they have to go away and you give them a piece of information, they're like, I don't know. I need to go away and check that with another family member. Yeah, I like that. That's so good, because then you couldn't possibly have been reading that person energetic. Yeah, exactly. They're, it's the spirit world is so, I mean, they have, there's an intelligence there with them that's so fascinating, and it's so compassionate, yeah, yeah. So they're so compassionate, having said that, they are compassionate, but it can be firm, yes, without their personality, they can definitely, yeah, be very direct and firm and tell someone's business entirely, sometimes, yeah, exactly, exactly, and also tell them if they, you know, sometimes they think they need to be putting a bit more effort in or doing something in a different way that they will Yes, You have to be very careful about how you share that information. I had someone come recently, and it was their their grandma communicating from the other side. And it was about to be holidays, and they were trying to make some of the grandma's recipes, and she wanted to specify and let the granddaughter know to tell the mom that she was leaving out, like, pistachios or something very odd and specific of the recipe. And the girl was like, Oh my gosh, I can't even believe. Like, Yeah, my mom hates those pistachios and leaves them out every time. And the grandma was like, well, it's not my recipe if it doesn't have my ingredients. Kind of a sassy grandma, perfect, perfect. Someone is wondering if they because I believe sometimes our gifts are we're aware of them when we're kids, and sometimes they rise to the surface later in life. If someone is wondering to what degree they have mediumistic gifts or how to start even dipping into that water of understanding. Do you have any like tips or thoughts or direction for people, I think meditation, yeah, and is a great way to get yourself centered and get your energy right, that you can open those gates for communication. I would do some reading. And there's so so much out there, like just read about the basics of it, but also find yourself a really good teacher and mentor. Yeah, and get a get a group together. And it's really easy to get in sit in groups online these days. That's true. Yeah, and do your development and sit in development. And sit in development for years, because, you know, even if you are born incredibly gifted, the practice is just going to make it better and stronger. Yeah, that's great, actually. Also, your guides are going to train you, so the guide, your guides, will give you information. So you don't want to all come out being exactly the same, because you've all had the same teacher, and you've all come out like little robots of each other doing exactly the same way, because everyone's guides are different. Everyone's personality is different. So I think you'll do it in a way that suits you and your team and your mediumship. And mediumship is changing. It's not exactly the same as it was, you know, way back in the in the days when 1800s in in the UK and things like that, and even earlier in the US and things have changed, and I think it's always progressing, but I think you need to understand the basics of it. I think I also really passionately believe that it needs to come with personal development, because just because someone's a medium does not mean they are have done their personal development work and done their healing work. Yes, I am so glad that you said these things, because I'm constantly saying, like, I hate that this is the answer, but it's meditation and personal development that creates the conditions for the learning the rest. You know what I mean. So I hate that to the answer. But it is, it is, and I know there's some people who say, you know, they don't do mini chip and things like that. I'm not ministry. They don't do meditation and but that's what I mean. It's different for everybody. Like you do you like? Do what works best for you? If it's not kind of working for you, then maybe try some of the other ways. Yeah, there's lots of ways. Yeah, put your scientist sort of cap on and run some experiments. Do I do better if I've done meditation? Do I do better if I'm really, real well rested? Do I do better if I do a meditation that raises my vibration before I do a reading, as opposed to drop down into a calming meditation right before you get to work? For me personally, I need to my energy to be up, not sort of drop down into a deep, deep, calming meditation where my energy feels like I could almost go to sleep. So that's just for me different to everybody else. Yeah, it's kind of how I feel about the thing where you'll hear some people say, like, oh, I had to totally give up alcohol, or I have to be a vegan, or. Sure. I do think for some bodies, that's probably true. Test it on your own body. Is always my belief, right? Trial and error, yes, run your own experiments. Be a little scientist and run your own experiment. Experiments. See what works some people, you know, they they do really well with crystal healing bowls and gets their vibration set like you just do what works for you, like just but you, you are the one who has to do the work to find out what works for you. And it is work. Yeah, it is work. And I think the personal development, I don't think anyone is exempt from that, because for me, the way I explain it to people, and I this is an Andy Bing teaching, I think. But if I have an anger about something, let's just say that I'm not willing to, like say I'm angry at my I don't know sibling, and I haven't processed it in a way that I am available for the spirit world to access it. They won't be able to access that part of me because I've got it kind of closed off or walled off? Does that make sense? Exactly? Yeah, exactly. And also, you know, as we get older, we have more life experiences. Yeah, we can relate to more people with more empathy as we you know, we've lived through certain difficulties and certain situations and all of that experience of who we are as a human and and our personal development work we've done to get us to where we are, and you know, certainly not perfect here, still doing personal development all progress, still working on myself, exactly absolute work In progress, and always will be. However, the more of the self development you do, the better a medium you can be. Yeah, well, and I think kind of just to bring it full circle, I feel like for me, anyway, it's not just providing healing for our clients on this side and the other. I know through my mediumship, I've healed to such deeper levels and come to such different understanding about myself and people in the world and emotions and all the things that I think some of it is our healing through the work too. Yeah, absolutely, it's healing for us. How many readings have you done? There's been so healing for that person, and you've got learning out of the reading every time, every time, it's incredible. Here we think we're doing readings, and it helps heal the client in front of us. We experience the healing as well, yeah, and we or the and the understanding or the way they've explained it, because every different communicator is explaining it in a different way. Oh, okay, or giving them a different way for so that, you know, the communicator might come through and give them a way to do a particular healing process on themselves, right? Oh, I didn't know you could do that. Or that's a great idea for that, yeah. So such a it's so it's always so interesting. It's not easy, but it's very interesting work. It is. And I love this is my nerd side. I think I love that we're never done growing and learning. And I mean, Mavis used to say that 50 years a medium and was still constantly learning and being taught new things. So Bucha, yes, what stops us getting bored, doesn't it? Yeah, that's, that's the best part. I didn't realize we've been talking so long already. I want to ask you our spirit Speed Round questions while I have you, are you up for you up for the speed? Round, Okay, I'm ready. Pressure, okay. Will you share one thing that shocked you or was unexpected about working with the spirit world or working as a medium. One thing that shocked me, yeah, sometimes it can be really easy and it just flows. And sometimes, like we just said, it can be really hard, yeah, and I suppose that's, that's the it's, it's not just a button. You can switch and turn on, and there it is again, ready to go. It's, changing all the time. So shocked me is that it's a continuing process that is always changing. I suppose I wasn't expecting I thought maybe you learn it, you do the course, and you practice like everything else, you climb that ladder, and then that's where you are. Yes, this is shocking to me too. You learn to drive a car, then you can drive a car. It is done. And the concern about, oh, I'm going to drive here, it's not you just, you just drive a car. It's just, is you don't even think about it now, but you still have to think about it with the mediumship. You're still making sure that you're getting all the basics right. So maybe that it's just, it's, it's just an ongoing process, yeah, but that's a great one. If you got to spend a day in the spirit world, you got the full tour. You got to spend time with everyone you've ever known who's crossed over, and it's almost time for you to return to your life, and your guide tells you you have one hour left. Who do you spend it with? And why? I. Oh, my goodness. I know this has probably been said before, but I would probably have a chat to Jesus and then ask to explain a few things, which I still feel a little bit puzzled about, things that don't add up because of changes in the Bible and things like that. So I think I'd really like to know what is the exact, exact truth? Yeah, that's a great that's a great one. I have a lot of questions too. Even though we have these spiritual gifts, we have very human lives. What is one quirky thing about you that people might be surprised to learn? Quirky thing about me. Yeah, I love healing with essential oils. I don't know how quirky that is, but I genuinely feel that essential oils have such a high vibration, it's so healing. And I've had my own experiences with myself and my family, and I just think essential oils are a gift to this planet. That's really when it's done in a way that protects the planet, protects the plant, protects the people who are yes, of course, when it's all done in the right way, all the things, but I think that there's a lot of healing in herbs and essential oils. Yeah, that's really cool. I agree. Will you leave us with a pearl of wisdom? What's one piece of advice you wish that you had had earlier on in your understanding of your gifts, that it keeps changing, and that the way they communicate with keeps changing, and it is ever evolving, and you just learn more and more, and you just don't get to the end of the the end of the line. There's no one and done. It is ongoing. So I think it's always spiritual exploration of ourselves our abilities, and opening up our hearts as much as we can, and healing ourselves as much as we can to help heal other people on the planet. Well, they heal themselves. Beautiful to aid that. Yeah, I love that. That's a great one. Thank you. Well, will you tell everyone how they can work with you? How to get in touch with you. I'll link everything in the show notes, of course. But yes. So it's www.michellesimmons.com and it's Simmons with a, d s, I double M, o, n, d, s, or just email me at info@michellesimmons.com, yes. And so I do. I do. I run a course to do with helping spiritual women grow their gifts and their businesses. So that's quite popular. Or I do a I have another popular one, which is for a 12 month once a month, tune in, check up, coaching, spiritual life coach, and then that's just 12 months to get them to their goals. You've also got a really cool money mindset. Download with a lot of journaling prompts. And I highly recommend everybody get that. I've got it. It's very cool. So I do do a lot of my work with helping them with wealth building so because, for some reason, there seems to be that a lot of spiritual women who have these businesses, whether they're spiritual or not, but you know, whether they're healers or therapists, sometimes the money doesn't seem to go hand in hand with the caring work that they're doing, and that's one thing that I certainly am really passionate about, is empowering women with their mindset, with their finances, with their businesses, so they can live the best life that they would choose to live well. And the truth is, this is one of these areas of pesky personal development, that most of us have a lot of things that we either learned in our family of origin or our culture or we have stickiness around so this counts for personal development. It absolutely is, because it's to do with you know, are we enough? Do we know we're enough? Do we think we're worthy and deserving all the things? Can we receive all the things. And you do offer mediumship readings as well, right? I absolutely do. I do so they can do one on one readings, one on one coaching. They can do 12 month coaching. So it's, you know, there's a lot of options. There's an option there for everybody, but definitely sign up for that freebie and get on the list so you can find out everything else. And of course, I always link everything in the show notes, because I could not remember a website name to save my life, so it's down there to just click the link. I'm so grateful for you in the world and your friendship and you being here, and you know, I just adore you, and thank you for being here with us and shining your light. Oh, thank you so much. And just love and hugs to you across the ocean. And I appreciate being here, and I've really enjoyed our chat. It was so much fun. Good. Well, what did you think about that conversation into mediumship? Kind of a little bit of a deep dive into some of the inner workings of it, what we do, how we each feel as mediums. I know Michelle and I. Are kind of similar, but we also have differences in our thoughts and the way we work. So I love that she's so generously and open heartedly shared with us. Some of you may notice that I am in a different location. I am home recording the intro and outro. I recorded the conversation with Michelle in the office, because she is in Australia and I am in San Diego, our time zones can line up in some capacity, but she's, you know, in the morning, and I'm in the evening, and we got to chatting after our recording, and ended up being at the office quite late. So decided to do these the following day from home, but make sure you check out Michelle the website, michellesimmons.com as well as her social media. On Instagram, she is Michelle spiritual medium, and she's got Facebook as well. And I will link everything in the show notes for you so you can easily find it, but do make sure that you get her freebies and her downloads and on her email list. She really is such a special soul, and I am so grateful to have her as part of my community and as a dear friend of mine, and so happy to share her with you. I'm so grateful that she came and shared with us, and I would love it if you would share this episode with a friend that you enjoy talking about mediumship or woo woo things with and make sure to check out. Yeah. Michelle, Big hugs, lots of love. Bye for now from inside spirit speakeasy, you.