The Leader Mentality
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What if clarity, gratitude, and delayed rewards are the real engine of leadership?
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What if the most effective leadership style isn’t loud, sharp, or performative—but clear, considerate, and generous? We dive into personal mastery and a practical framework for “kind leadership” that sets real boundaries without getting soft, trades vagueness for clarity, and replaces hustle myths with habits that actually scale. Along the way, we unpack the daily rhythms that move the needle: intentional time, deep focus, and single-task sprints that beat multitasking; simple breathwork and short mantras to reset during overwhelm; and a steady learning practice—books, audiobooks, or podcasts—linked to action so ideas become results.
We talk about why early mornings can be powerful but reframe the real advantage as intentionality: protect quiet hours, block deep work, and batch communication to cut context switching. We explore resilience through reading history, where leaders weathered fierce pushback and kept going, and we connect that perspective to delayed gratification—planting seeds now for a harvest that arrives months later. You’ll hear a grounded take on sleep, movement, and nutrition as leadership hygiene, not vanity; gratitude as a stabilizer that shifts teams out of scarcity and into momentum; and habit stacking to make new routines stick by anchoring them to what you already do well.
The throughline is simple: kindness is a performance advantage when paired with clarity. Say what you mean without saying it mean. Set expectations people can act on. Then build the small systems that keep you steady—top-three priorities, five pages of learning, a single thank-you, one breathing cycle before a hard call. If this resonates, hit follow, share this with a colleague who’s building their own leadership habits, and leave a quick review with the one practice you’re committing to this week. Your insight might be the stack someone else needs.
Setting The Stage: Kind Leadership
SPEAKER_01Welcome to Leader Mentality Show with Rob Clemens and Nick Steve Stefano. And he's back. He's back, everybody. And we finished up Foundations of Leadership last time, and now we're getting into some personal mastery. Now, this is a this is a 52-week series in my mind, and in all seriousness, and it may not be linear.
SPEAKER_00I'm coming here for 52 weeks.
SPEAKER_0152 times, but but the check is in the mail, Nick. You'll be fine. He goes around uh the different locations helping people to maximize their businesses, their leadership style across the board. And of course, you know, does a lot of stuff on the cloud locally, but you know, uh you bring a vast wealth of experience. And so I just like being able to bounce some of this stuff off of you. And you know, your brand of leadership is what? What would you call your brand of leadership?
SPEAKER_00So my personal brand of leadership is kind leadership. If I were to tell someone what my goal is in the world, is I want to create one million more kind leaders in the world. Okay. Um and we can unpack that and what that means, and we'll continue as we move through this. But you know, part of it is I'm just I'm grateful that I get the opportunity to do this. I know you joke, my checks in the mail, but like I I just love doing it. I love sharing the content and sharing my knowledge, but also what we we have great conversations about what this looks like, and I'm learning as we go. And you know, part of part of when we say when I say kind leadership, right, the definition of kindness is to be friendly, considerate, and generous to others and to other things, right? And so I'm constantly thinking about like how can I just consider others, and that's how I show up as a leader. Um, have my cloud in my business, or though I'm coaching or speaking on a stage, whatever it is, it's you know, how can I help people to learn that that's a skill, that it's not just a soft, soft thing that you know, I said kindness isn't soft, it's your superpower.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah, no, I get you. I I you know I think that I think that I generally lead with with kindness first. I I think that one thing is that I have to manually deviate from my base demeanor. My base demeanor is, you know, lead with kindness because if you're gonna, you know, I'm gonna give you that that friendliness first. But some people need that little charge once in a while. So you can still be, but I think here's the beautiful thing about it, you can still be kind and put
Defining Kindness Without Being Soft
SPEAKER_01a charge into people. You don't have to mean you have to be a walkover be kind, right?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, kindness is about being considerate. So I need to consider that someone might need something different than I need, but also, you know, I can say what I mean and not say it mean. Yeah, right. I see what I mean. I can and that's that's kindness, right? You know, I I can tell my kid like this is the f this is the firm boundary we're having, this is why we're doing it. I know you don't like it, right? But you know, one of my favorite authors, Brene Brown, says, clear is kind, unclear is unkind. Okay, right. So if I'm not clear with my people and clear with myself and clear with my family on, you know, to even talk about some of the stuff we did in the first month and foundation, some of our values and our principles and where we're going. If I'm not clear on that, that's not kind to them. I can't show up and do my job if I don't know where we're going. It's not very kind if I show up and I'm left thinking, well, what what's my job today? Why am I here? What am I doing? What's the point of all this? Like that's not me, me being very kind to you as another individual if I'm not clear on what we're doing.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it's it's interesting. And and I think some people can be effective live leaders without really being uh what you would uh traditionally define as kind. Um I I yell I like to use a lot of sports analogies. Like a guy like Bill Parcells is not what you would call a kind man, won Super Bowls. You know, I I think sometimes you have to look at how your organization is built, even on that, you know, kind of what we were talking about last time. Leadership sometimes means you have to have a different kind of different things, but but never being unkind.
SPEAKER_00Absolutely. And I would say he probably, even if we were to like redefine a little bit of what kindness is, yeah, he probably was very generous to his players. He gave them tons of his time. I mean, think when you think about how much time that man gave to that to that organization, yeah, um, and how much knowledge he probably shared. He was very generous with that. I'm sure he was considered even though he comes across as very like gruff and and like rugged, then that's okay. You could still, I think you could still be that and also be a little bit of kind at the same time.
SPEAKER_01Well, that it's a good place for us to save way over because we talked about um you know last time Foundation's leadership. We're into personal mastery now, and and so we're gonna talk today. We're gonna share some uh effective habits of effective leaders. So we're gonna talk about what the best leaders are doing and what their styles were and their daily habits of doing it. So, for example, um, you know, I I hear everybody say I want to be a leader, you know. I'm a leader and I'm a natural-born leader, and typically I don't hear a whole lot of leaders defining themselves as a leader. That's the interesting part of it. If you say I'm a leader, you know, right off the bat, you know, I I think you're you're you're showing a kind of a selfishness that's not really uh
Personal Mastery And Leader Habits
SPEAKER_01typical of a typical leader. So we're gonna talk about daily habits of effective leaders. We're gonna share some examples of those. Um I don't know, do you want to start or you want me to start? I'm gonna give you a couple of my high points. Give me one of your first ones, and I'm I'll ask questions or share some of mine. Fair enough. Daily habits of effective leaders. Well, the first thing is uh wake up early. Now, I I do know that some people feel like, uh, you know, I I like to stay up late. Waking up early has a certain power to it. Um people ranging from uh some of the great athletes we've ever seen, like uh the Kobe Bryant's and Michael Jordans, they wake up early, get ahead of it. Person who's uh there there have been some people like Warren Buffett, talk about famously, getting up, getting ahead of the day while other people are still sleeping, you're prepping to be the best you can for the day. I believe that there's a huge power in that. And for those people who say, I like to sleep in, I get it. I get it. But the thing is, is that when you're sleeping in, somebody's getting the jump on you. And um you could say, Well, I'm up later than them. Yeah, I I understand, I understand the juxtapositioning, but there's just something about being up early in the morning and getting that that fresh start to the day.
SPEAKER_00I think what you're even saying in that, and I I hear that often, right? Wake up early. But I think the reality in that is you're being intentional, right? Like the habit is I'm being intentional with my time. Yeah. So if I don't wake up early, I lose
Wake Early, Use Time Intentionally
SPEAKER_00some of the day hours in the day, so to speak. It then requires you to be more intentional with your with your time. You know, it's okay, so are you using that those two hours that you might have lost from 5 a.m. to 7 a.m. or whenever you wake up, whatever that early time is for you, depending on your business and who you are. Yeah, where am I getting that back somewhere else? Right? Am I, you know, and again, it's it's not always about waking up early, but it's it's the intentionality of, and I think that's a habit that the best leaders do, and really just the best when I say leaders, I'm talking not just the people with the title of leader, but even the employees who manage like individual contributors that are effective with their time are intentional, right? I don't have to worry about you getting this done because you're efficient, you have things scheduled and you you use your time well and you don't waste time. I think that's a um an extremely important habit for all individuals to have.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, intentionality. Well, I will say this, and and and that's definitely a great trait. Um, one thing I have found, it's an irony, but that through this story you will understand, not really our ironic, actually, it's it's kind of very apropos, it that you know, so I'm a guy, I get to the office probably around 6 a.m. every morning. Now, if I leave at prior to six in the morning and get to the office, you know how quickly I get here? I get here in about 10 to 15 minutes in the morning.
SPEAKER_00Nobody's on the road.
SPEAKER_01Exactly. Now, there have been a few times where I had to go run an appointment down near where my house is and come back at 8 o'clock, at which time the roads are totally jammed up. You see, so what I've done is I've actually been more efficient, more timely at through being earlier. So when you're out there and you're thinking, well, this doesn't make sense, it really doesn't make that big of a difference. No, you're actually getting a lot of extra time in at more of a quiet time of a day. So yeah, okay, there's something to be said for that.
SPEAKER_00I I completely agree. I've got kids that wake me up at the, you know, earlier than the Lord wakes up some days. Yeah. Naturally, how they wake up, right? Like that's the neurodivergence and autism. We can have a whole conversation about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But if they wake me up and I'm not intentional with my time and I sit there and scroll on my phone, well then it's not an effective habit. Yeah. So it's what like what am I doing with this time? So for me, an effective habit that I practice is time blocking. So I know that if I just have blocks of time where I'm working on specific projects or time to think about something or time to plan content, I I do a lot of development of content that I'm, you know, gonna go and educate people on. And if I just show up and just wing it, but I haven't used my time intentionally blocked in a day, I'm not gonna get the work done. Right. So for me, it's I've got these two hours in between this stuff. Do I just use that to like answer emails and respond to text messages and calls, or do I block a time at the beginning of the day to do that and then use those two hours blocked for another time? You're doing a very fixed thing at that time.
SPEAKER_01It's very fixed, you have a very good fixed mindset. I knew you were gonna show you. Oh bang! Hey, that was a callback. Let's call it a callback. Rewind to the last episode we talked about. No, but you missed it. Go back. There is actually right, there is actually a school of thought to that. Um, and I cannot think of the book that saved my life right now, but there there it was a book where it talked about if you can focus down on to what you're doing, every distraction um has a worse effect than you think it does. So, if for example, I am focused on doing a uh estimate for a job, and somebody comes in and says, Hey Rob, I've got a question for you, and I stop what I'm doing, I pull my attention away and divert the attention to you. And then when I'm
Time Blocking And Focus Over Multitasking
SPEAKER_01done with my attention to you, I have to bring my attention back to the game plan. And it's shown that you can be uh much less effective on the higher end of our 20% less effective just by quote unquote multitasking, which we always hear. And multitasking won't be one of my daily habits of effective leaders.
SPEAKER_00Stop trying to do it, you can't do it as well as you think you can.
SPEAKER_01It doesn't mean you know, just don't try to do other things, it be but certainly when you think you're being a hero by, well, I'm answering the phone now, I'm doing an email and I'm answering a conference call. No. Focus on what you're doing, that's a little key. All right, so here's one for you. Read as much as you can. Uh, and I do believe that we we've heard some of the great leaders of all time. I you know, Charlie Kirk was a guy who uh, you know, um yeah, whether you liked him or not, the guy read all the time. I think he said something like he was reading something phenomenal, like a hundred books a year or something. And the idea is though that maybe you don't have time to read a hundred books a year, but could you take the time to read five pages a day? Five pages of something of some substantial relevance. I think that is something we've seen a lot of great leaders do.
SPEAKER_00I would I would say if you want to even uh if you think I don't like reading, right? And you want to think about well, what how does that relate to me? It can even just be five to ten minutes of learning. It can be listening to an audiobook, it could be listening to a podcast. Hi, hello, right? Like you're doing if you're doing if you're doing it right now, you're listening to us. Like, is that a habit? Is it just oh well, like, and maybe it's scheduling, right? Like the show comes out on this day. I'm gonna I'm gonna make sure that on this day I'm setting 30 minutes aside in my schedule so that I know that on my ride home today I'm doing this, or on at this time I'm I'm gonna do this because I want to devote my time to this, and I want to, it's the habit of learning and growing. So for me, I love reading. I I love audiobooks, I love reading books. I I've got so many books open that I haven't finished that I'm just I'm constantly going to it and I'm reading it. That's an amazing habit to have is to every day find something to learn and not just learn by like scrolling something on TikTok, but like actually like consume information and then think about how am I gonna use this.
SPEAKER_01I I I feel like personally, when it comes to you know the this brand of reading, the style reading, you know, I'm not talking fiction by any means and and and not that you know fiction I think fiction is something you should be doing for you know to get your own uh downtime, R time, peace of mind time. Uh but you know, we're talking about substantial books. You know, one thing, uh I read a book at one point called Presidential Courage, and I recommend it to anybody who who wants to you know try to learn a little bit about U.S. history, but also just uh trying times of leaders in the country. And uh the the best parts that I picked up from stuff like that were that it wasn't always glowing for all these people. I you know, I went to a uh a group of employees at one point, I said, What who do you think the greatest presidents were of all time? And a lot of them will go, they'll say Washington, they'll say Lincoln, they'll go straight to you know maybe Jonath Kennedy and uh FDR and uh Teddy Roosevelt and you'll you get all these names. But the thing is, is it's interesting when you read back through their trials and tribulations, some of these guys, people were trying to run them out of office. I mean, Washington at the end was they were trying to run him out of office. My lesson there for you is that sometimes in reading, not only are you learning uh about perseverance and diligence, but you're also realizing it's not always
Learn Daily: Books, Audio, Application
SPEAKER_01rosy. And the world won't always remember you for the failures that you are feeling at that time. So boom, there's that. Talk about effective leadership, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, no, that's so, so true. Um, one thing that I I I just think it's so important to think about and to have for yourself, and I don't think most people would think of it as a habit, but I think it's so important to have, right? You have a leadership framework. I have a way that I I look at leadership, right? Like I you have, you know, your your mindset towards it, I have mine. But I think we have in habitually created almost our own mantras and our own ways of resetting, right? So um I think the habit related to it is to just slow down and pause, right? So I'll I'll put it like this when I have those moments when I do feel tough times coming on, when I feel the imposter syndrome to go back to stuff that we talked about in the past, when I feel like I don't know if I can do this, and I just take a breath, right? I don't have to meditate, so to speak, where I'm gonna go and sit in a quiet corner for you know 10 minutes and like not look at anything, but can I just close my eyes and just take a 10 deep breaths in and out and repeat to myself what my mindset is, right? Like, and I would tell you, I say my kid to my kids every day when they get out of the car. It's a it's a habit, right? But before I drop them off at school, I will ask them, what are we gonna do today? And the two boys can say to me, we're gonna be kind, we're gonna be awesome, and we're gonna be brave. And they know that that is and that's a habit. Like it's it's become something that it's just it's ingrained in them. It's it's natural, right? It's like you wake up and you brush your teeth. So for me, when I'm stuck, it's just close your eyes, breathe in, like, be kind, be awesome, be brave. Just like reset. And I think just having that habit away and a mantra, you know, I do it if I'm going on a long run, like, okay, I'm gonna repeat this to myself over and over and over again. It's visualizing what you want to be and what you're trying to do.
SPEAKER_01That's a habit. I I'm gonna I'm gonna jump in on that and say that, you know, I'm gonna put mantra as a subset of something else that I was actually gonna talk about, but I'm gonna make it a subset of um of uh having some sort of a uh galvanizing peace of mind. And I was gonna use the word meditation. Some of the great leaders meditate, but it's not necessarily like you think. You a lot of times we're like, and I'm not talking about that per se, but it is a time where you can uh visualize what your goals are, you can try to get clarity of mind. There's breathing exercises, and I'm gonna do one right now. I'm going to actually say, I've I've heard this sometimes. If you're feeling at a point where you're feeling overwhelmed, then we're talking about leadership. Leaders do sometimes feel overwhelmed, that's natural. They say to take a long, exaggerated breath. So you're going and then follow up with another one. One more, and then let it out. Now, now so so now what happens when you do that is it it has a resetting effect on you. It can be very good for the mind. So again, it's it's a deep breath, followed by a shorter breath, and then a slow exhale. And something just that small might might be enough to get you out of that that little the uh thing that you're having at that point. So I love that, and I'm gonna piggyback off of it, okay? Uh I'm gonna go to the the body uh aspect. So again, we're talking great leaders. What do they do? So you talk about the mind aspect, we talk about mantras and visual cues. Uh we have signs on our wall right now that say mindset and success on them. Um talk about having great people around you, but I'm actually gonna go into the physicality of it. Now, I don't believe that every great leader has to be Lance Armstrong. I'm not
Clarity, Mantras, And Resetting
SPEAKER_01saying that, but how are you eating, how are you taking care of yourself? I believe that in the the spirit of what we have, we have this mind, body, and soul, as they talk about. And not to get too uh what you would say, like too cliche about it, but if you're gonna have the the mind right, and maybe spiritually you feel good, you feel good about the direction you're doing, but how's the body doing? If your your cortisol is through the roof, it's hard to be your best self. If you never have any dopamine release because you're not having any successes, that's not really great for being your best self. So you need to find a way to keep your body in check, eating properly. Um the way that you uh go into bed, they say get enough sleep is underrated. Uh that you know, a lot of it's all again, we talk about cliche, it's become very cliche. I sleep two hours a night. You know, you hear people saying that. Hustle culture is not all that it's cracked up to. It's not always, you know, you see a lot of these people breaking down after some point. So uh take care of your body, and your mind will often follow. And when you can feel your best, you tend to do better. One of my favorite things is sometimes like uh how you feeling today, Nick? In all honesty, how you feeling?
SPEAKER_00Um headaches, um, no heartburn. Today's honestly uh been a rough day. Okay, not like 100%. I didn't sleep well last night, I got a lot on my mind today. It's a rough day, like historically for me, family-wise, and it's you know, but I'm not gonna let that impact the conversation we're having, and right. But look, that's where I'm that's where I'm at today.
SPEAKER_01Let me say this, and I appreciate I appreciate your saying that. Um, you know, that's a real situation. I was gonna go into, you know, sometimes I get headaches, you know. And and what I would like you to do if you're out there right now is they talk about, you know, the whole this two shall pass thing, but but appreciate the moment sometimes when you don't have a headache. Because I right now I feel great. But you know, the next time I'm sitting there, I've got a splitting headache, and my mind is tired, and I and I'm feeling that that thing that you get when you have just one of those pounding headaches, and if you're at home and you heard it, you think to yourself, man, if my head just felt better right now, how happy I would be. So enjoy it when it's feeling better. Keep your mindset there.
SPEAKER_00Appreciate the moment you don't have a headache. I want to go back to that because again, y'all, this is this is inscripted, right? Like, I don't know, we got one piece of paper that gives us what we're gonna talk about for 52 weeks. That's it. Then the rest of it, we're just having conversations. It's like that's it, that's it. We're gonna talk about these 52 things. Uh but my habit that I have, right, and it's become something that I just naturally do, which truly, when we're talking about a habit, this should become something that you don't always have to even think about it. You know, I know that I'm gonna schedule this time every day to to block off for email because that's my time, it's when I do it. Like it's what works for me. But the habit that I have that I would suggest people consider trying to work on and think about is right, it's a habit of gratitude. Right? So, gratitude for me is a habit. It might not be that I'm gonna write a thank you note every single day to somebody, but it is my habit is to intentionally practice gratitude at some
Breathwork, Sleep, And Body Care
SPEAKER_00point every single day. So in that moment of appreciating the right, the time that I don't have the headache, maybe it's a gratitude journal, right? And at the end of the day, you're writing down, and that doesn't work for me because I'm, you know, I at the end of the day I don't I don't like to write. So for me, it's you know, appreciating what I have that day. And it's it might be sitting down and writing down three things that were, you know, amazing about that day that I'm grateful for. And it could just be I'm grateful that I didn't have a headache today. You know, sometimes people struggle with that as a habit of, you know, I need to journal every day and write these three things down that I did that you know brought me, you know, gratitude. It doesn't have to be complex. It can just be, you know, how am I gonna make sure that I'm you know externally grateful to someone?
SPEAKER_01No, that's fair enough. I you know, and and I like that a lot. I think that's very important to talk about. And and I think we have time maybe for like two more. Okay. Do you have one? Or you want me to go first? Yeah, go ahead. Got it. I I believe that there's something called delayed gratification when it comes to an effective leadership. Delayed gratification, you know, it it became a a big thing for people to say live in the now. And living in the now, I get it. You gotta appreciate the moment. And and so a lot of times as we do, I'm piggybacking off the last concept. It's like, hey, appreciate what you have right now, you don't know what you'll have tomorrow. And and I think there's a there's a validity in that, but delayed gratification is I I plant my garden, I I sew, I mean, I uh I I do what I need to do, I fertilize the crops, and you're not gonna see it for a minute. And it would be a lot easier just to go out and say, hey, I'm just gonna snatch that out of the ground. You know, there's a certain thing to be said for it. You make your bed in the morning so that you have a nice fresh bed at nighttime when you get home. You work out so that you look better, not right now, but maybe you're looking better a year from now. And so I think there's a delayed gratification that goes along because if you're doing everything for the right now, you're only ever gonna be ready for right now, as opposed to let's look at where we should be going and let's understand that sometimes you gotta do things in the temporary that may not be all that uh pleasurable, but they are building you to something that is a much greater gift ahead. Yeah, I love it.
SPEAKER_00Um I think that is such an essential skill for any leader, really to go back even to our mindset conversation for anyone that's looking to grow, right? You know, how do I, you know, think about that specifically? That's that's that's really important. I I love that. Um and if again, even if you have a fixed mindset, I would say we're gonna we're gonna keep coming back to this over and over again, y'all. No, but really, even if you are fixed on a specific principle or a value or a vision, it is much easier to be practice delayed gratification and to not focus on the now, because if you think about the fact that you're gonna have to put all this effort in and you're not gonna see the reward, so to speak, until six months, one year, two years, you've gotta have a fixed principle of where you're going.
Gratitude As A Daily Practice
SPEAKER_00Otherwise, and your people need to have that too. Um, so I would I would ask anyone who's listening, right? You know, we've shared a lot of different habits. Um, right. I think I would ask people to think about what are my current habits that are working well, right? Obviously, we have opportunity, we've shared some, and you might be thinking, well, I want to add this habit. Like, how do I do that? Where do I like how can I be successful with that? You know, habits, you know, if you've got kids, you know, like you've got to help them every day still to remember to brush their teeth. We don't have to do that as adults, right? You just know this is a this is a habit. Um, I would challenge everyone to think about what are your successful habits, because the habit that I want to add to your habits is what I call habit stacking. Okay. So habit stacking is this idea that if I know I brush my teeth every day and I know that's a habit I do well, or let's say I know that at the end of the day I make a list of all the things that I got done, all the things that I need to do for the next day to set myself up for success. If that's my habit and I want to add a new habit, how do I stack it onto it so that at that same time that I'm doing that, I do the next thing. So let's take that example of, you know, and I work with a lot of people that do this. I'm not good at this. I told Rob before we started, I probably shouldn't be talking about this because I'm not the great greatest at habits, um, right? It's the ADHD. I'm too squirrely. But, anyways, I digress. I know lots of people that they'll make their list at the end of the day. And I would say, if you want to practice the habit of gratitude, as soon as you're done making that list, pick up the phone, get your computer out, pick up the right, the thank you card and write the thing down to practice gratitude with another person, right? You're already doing this thing and doing it well. Capitalize on it, use it, stack the other habit on top of it so that as soon as I do this thing, this thing just goes with it. Okay, it becomes natural.
SPEAKER_01Absolutely. Very cool. I like it, man. Well, you know, I I guess that's a great place for us to end off. You know, you can talk about a lot of different leadership habits over and things that you can do. Um, and we may miss some. Look, I always encourage people to reach out to us on social media, tell us what yours is.
SPEAKER_00I want to know your habits. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Help me. Yeah, I mean, well, no doubt. I mean, we can always learn. Even if, you know, no matter what your your principles are, whatever you are in life, no matter how old you are, we can always like learn a new trick. So I definitely think that's great stuff. Yeah, or or or you know, a growth mindset. Even if you have a fixed mindset like those people out there. No, no, no. No, no, no. Learn it all. No, uh, absolutely. Well, thank you guys for listening to the Leader Mentality Show today. Um, think about those daily habits, think about the people you're surrounding yourself with. Are they making you better? Are they making you worse? And always be looking at your next best opportunity. So we will, I think that's a good place for us to sign off. Nick, yeah. I think we're good. Let's do it. Well, tune in next week when we're gonna be talking a little bit about balancing confidence with humility. I think that's a great one. And uh we'll look forward to going there. So, Nick, we'll see you next time. All right, and we'll see you all next time on the Leader Mentality Show.
