S03E21 - The Cabin in the Woods

The Strangers go Camping....AGAIN! This week they're gathering around the campfire and telling the terrifying tale of workplace hijinks that is Drew Goddard's "The Cabin in the Woods" starring Chris Hemsworth, Fran Kranz, Kristen Conolly, Sigourney Weaver, and Bradley Whitford!

"The Cabin in the Woods" is available to stream on Amazon Prime Video!

Five teens visit a remote cabin and explore its cellar, finding strange items. When Dana reads from a book there, she unleashes zombie killers. But the situation is more complex than it appears.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_07 0:30

And welcome to another episode of Strangers in the Alps, a movie podcast where every week we discuss what, Travis? Movies. Movies of all ilk. I like the movie.

SPEAKER_01 0:42

Oh, you went to Scotland, didn't you?

SPEAKER_07 0:43

All kinds of genres. Genres. But mostly, oddly enough, horror.

SPEAKER_04 0:49

No, it's the movies where Dan's like, it's the movies that Dan didn't want to watch.

SPEAKER_07 0:53

Exactly.

SPEAKER_04 0:54

Movies that do not appeal to him.

SPEAKER_07 0:56

And we do in a very in-depth ramble. My name is Dan.

SPEAKER_06 1:02

Sam. Fred.

SPEAKER_07 1:04

Alright. We did it. And Travis, I know you're not ready, but could you please read the back of your VHS tape to describe the movie that we watched together in our cabin?

SPEAKER_06 1:14

Please hold.

SPEAKER_07 1:15

Our cabinet.

SPEAKER_06 1:18

While he was looking for it, this morning I got stuck in my garage.

SPEAKER_07 1:22

How did that happen?

SPEAKER_06 1:23

The garage door wouldn't open.

SPEAKER_07 1:24

That's fucking hilarious. No, but isn't there a key that you can un No, this place is weird.

SPEAKER_06 1:29

It's all keyless, even my door. So it's censored. The only time I tap is to come into the garage, but going out, you just kind of wait at a certain point and then censor it'll open. So this morning at 4 a.m., I was already running late.

SPEAKER_07 1:42

What the hell? I'm gonna wait at 4 a.m.

SPEAKER_06 1:44

Wait, what time do you have to be at work? Five.

SPEAKER_07 1:46

Why?

SPEAKER_06 1:47

Inventory. Some I'm like, I'm on my phone, I'm whatever. I'm like, wait, I've been here for way too long. I look up the door's not open, and I'm like, hmm. So I wish I had security camera footage. This is me backing up, going, backing up, going. It's Austin Powers. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:59

Man, I would love to see that. So when you're doing inventory, you're just counting reels of film? What's going on what's going on? What are we counting?

SPEAKER_06 2:05

No, I'm counting candies. Are you serious? Literally everything in the in the theater, including 3D glasses.

SPEAKER_00 2:12

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 2:13

That'd become that's hilarious. Is that your camp? She's counting. I count like that too, but different things.

SPEAKER_07 2:19

Okay, Frank. Let's keep this clean, okay? This is a family show.

SPEAKER_01 2:22

Movies, duh!

SPEAKER_07 2:23

You know, it's like the uh Okay, Travis, we've been sort of riffing here. Are you ready to go?

SPEAKER_06 2:30

Yeah, we're out of things to say, Travis.

SPEAKER_07 2:31

Read it. Thank you for covering for us, though, Sam. Of course. Good.

SPEAKER_04 2:34

Good job. The plot follows a group of college students who retreat to a remote cabin in the woods where they fall victim to a variety of monsters.

SPEAKER_07 2:44

That's a good description, actually. I wrote it myself. It's literally missing a major part of the story.

SPEAKER_01 2:51

Wait, now I think I saw the wrong movie. I was watching a movie about workplace hijinks.

SPEAKER_07 2:56

Is this is this is this Evil Dead?

SPEAKER_04 2:59

No, did you did you were you watching Knock at the Cabin?

SPEAKER_07 3:02

Oh, that'd be funny. Is this Evil Dead? No, it is that's literally the plot of Evil Dead.

SPEAKER_00 3:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:09

No. Did that not also take place in a cabin in the woods?

SPEAKER_07 3:12

Kind of Sora, really? They found stuff in the basement? I literally thought this movie was lifting the plot of Evil Dead as their sort of as their framework for what they were actually doing.

SPEAKER_04 3:23

Well, that's the storyline they were in.

SPEAKER_07 3:25

Right. And I'm saying I'm not that's not a knock. I'm saying I think that that's what they used as their sort of Yeah. Well that was Okay. Well, uh there's so much more to the plot of this movie than that thing just gave you. In fact, the actual plot of the movie is way outside of what you just read. Go. I mean, do we want to go with it?

SPEAKER_04 3:44

Yeah, sure. Okay. If you've never seen the comment in the woods, please skip two.

SPEAKER_01 3:48

Tate number.

SPEAKER_04 3:50

Two. Well We can't talk about the movie without spawn. So just so just go.

SPEAKER_07 3:59

Well, I'm I I I was gonna say it it has sort of a a Truman show sort of angle to it. I I would you would have to agree. A little bit. But yeah, a little bit. So well, I think that's what I thought was going on. That is an action. So what's going on is what? I don't even know how to describe it.

SPEAKER_04 4:21

Did you have well, okay? So I'll just say the opening, because it's it's interesting because it's like is it a lab? No, we What is it? We we get a very it's almost like the opening to the grudge where we get the credit sequence, right? Yes. We get like a scary credit sequence, and then it just cuts to two guys in like one cup. I don't I'm gonna call them like like a almost like a golf cart, but not really.

SPEAKER_07 4:43

They're in like a golf cart.

SPEAKER_04 4:45

Yeah, and they're driving around, then you think maybe they work in like a factory or like a warehouse. I thought it was like a lab. Yeah, they're like, like white shirts and ties on them. It's basically one of those like government facilities. Yes, it was. They're probably in like New Mexico in the mountains or something, you know? But I think right.

SPEAKER_07 5:01

So but just to set this up, just go really broad stroke. Yes, it's it's four college students, five college students go to this cabin in the woods to stay for the weekend. They're gonna look at a party and have fun. There's two couples, and then the stoner guy, who's sort of the comic relief. We'll get into him later. And um, but what's what they're unaware of is that this is they're actually being subjected to like a game. A game or an experiment. Not even.

SPEAKER_04 5:33

It's not an experiment.

SPEAKER_07 5:34

No, it's it's I mean, we'll get to what actually is really going on, but what we are perceiving is it's some kind of reality show kind of thing going on. It's like a sporting event. Right. An event where zombies and all kinds of stuff at them uh and and they're watching it unfold. Like they're leaving little hints of things, they meaning what Travis was talking about, this sort of government or lab or science organization, whatever, and they're watching it. Everything's you know, got cameras everywhere, and they've got microphones hidden everywhere, and they're watching this unfold and they're and they're leaving little hints of things for them to pick up on, which then unleashes these zombies, and then they kind of watch it all unfold as these kids, these teener uh college students battle against these.

SPEAKER_04 6:30

It's it's almost too like the inside. It's almost like almost like a nature show in a sense where it's very much they can't interfere. Like the people watching. Like they can't interfere, like you know, the victims have to choose to do things. Like if anyone's getting hurt, they can't come and save them.

SPEAKER_07 6:48

They can't come and save them, but they interfere all the time. Well, they they can they can they can guide them. They can guide. But as soon as things don't go the way they need them to go, they absolutely interfere. I think they they force things to happen to say they need a certain outcome. Yeah. And that's I I think to be fair, I'm sorry, Frank, to interrupt you. I think to be fair, the story what we perceive at the beginning and then what we find out as we get further into the story changes and changes and changes. First, as far as our understanding of what's actually going on. And then at the end, we get the full storyline of what's going on. So if things don't go the way they need them to go, they do step in and force things to go a certain way. Because they need uh ultimately this this laboratory or whatever you want to call it, this government facility needs a certain outcome to happen. That's not something we know at the beginning, but we find out as we go through the story that the certain outcome has to happen or the whole thing.

SPEAKER_04 8:00

Well, I I guess what I mean, I I guess I guess what I mean more is like with like the whole scenarios they get to and everything, like they have to pick those. Like the you know, like the characters.

SPEAKER_07 8:10

They pick what ends up being the evil thing they have to battle.

SPEAKER_04 8:14

A meaning who? The the college to college and and they very purposely pick certain types, like archetypes, like personalities.

SPEAKER_07 8:27

I think we've jumped ahead of ourselves, which is great, because we just explained.

SPEAKER_04 8:30

We ordered this movie beforehand.

SPEAKER_07 8:32

Let's go to our pre-thoughts.

SPEAKER_04 8:33

I haven't done prethots on that.

SPEAKER_07 8:34

That's fine, but that's what I think we needed to explain the plot for the so the uh our listeners can actually understand if they haven't seen the movie. I'm sure many of them have. My pre-thoughts were the same as always. I had never heard of this movie. Oh, you haven't? No.

SPEAKER_06 8:46

This is not being sarcastic. I feel like you would have because it's anywhere.

SPEAKER_07 8:50

No, I mean, The Cabin in the Woods, maybe I had heard that title but didn't know. Um, didn't know what it was about, didn't read anything ahead of time because I followed Travis's rules. And that was it. Watched it because you told me I had to, Sam.

SPEAKER_04 9:08

Before I go, Sam and Frank, did this movie have a ton of advertising? I remember seeing some I not that and I wasn't taking my normal advice at one point. I actually remember kind of seeing a billboard or a poster, and it was called The Cameron of the Wizard. I said, Oh, that movie's really cool. I want to watch it, and I just hadn't seen the trailer. So I went in to the movie blind, but I also don't wait.

SPEAKER_07 9:36

But now you how many times have you seen it?

SPEAKER_06 9:37

Now you can see.

SPEAKER_04 9:38

I've probably seen this movie like four or four or five times. Okay. Um, but all I knew about it though kind of leading up to it was because when this movie came out, I had just finished watching Firefly. So I was very much aware, like Joss Whedon. Like that was the thing. So I was like, okay, so I was very much into his you know, work. So I was like, okay, cool, Joss Reedon, like I want to watch it. So that kind of what brought me in. For a longest day, yeah, that was just my pre-thoughts. Like, I but I didn't know anything. But I think the movie was also delayed like a few times too. We'll talk about that later.

SPEAKER_07 10:16

Why do I know Firefly?

SPEAKER_04 10:18

It was a show that was on um Fox. It was with um Nathan Fillion. It was like a sci-fi trailer.

SPEAKER_06 10:25

It was only like one season, I think.

SPEAKER_04 10:27

It was a season in a movie, yeah. Sci-fi Western season in a movie.

SPEAKER_07 10:30

So, Sam, what were your pre-thoughts?

SPEAKER_06 10:32

I had seen a bunch of trailers for it. I had gone to see it in theaters with my parents, I hated it, and that was it. And I'd own I'd only seen it.

SPEAKER_07 10:44

Did we say final thoughts or did we say pre-thoughts?

SPEAKER_06 10:45

No, it was part of it. And then so with this rewatch, I would have seen it three times in total.

SPEAKER_01 10:52

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 10:53

Interesting.

SPEAKER_07 10:54

Frank, you've seen it what, 15 times since the last time.

SPEAKER_01 10:57

This was his first time. It's uh a couple more times than 15 times.

SPEAKER_06 11:00

A couple times on the way here.

SPEAKER_01 11:01

Probably like four or five as well. I I I didn't catch it in uh when it was in wide release. I caught it at like um at the the the dollar theater.

SPEAKER_04 11:13

I saw it there too. Not my first time, but one of the times. Wait, which dollar? The UN theater next to Best Buy? The UAE. No, no, no, no, no, no. That was no the one the Laurel Canyon and I love that place. I mean that street intersection.

SPEAKER_01 11:25

That one place where they film everything at.

SPEAKER_06 11:27

Why did you just say that?

SPEAKER_01 11:28

The one by Fallout where they film Fallout.

SPEAKER_06 11:30

Oh, you can just say the thing. I know, I'm just kidding.

SPEAKER_01 11:33

It's not like we live there. Right. I'm just kidding. Um Yeah, I remember seeing trailers, and um they they spoil a little bit in that in those trailers. So what did they spoil? What did they do? They spoil the uh the laser wall, the invisible laser wall.

SPEAKER_04 11:47

Oh, yeah, well that's a big trailer. Yeah, with the with the bird. Yeah, with the bird flying.

SPEAKER_01 11:52

Yeah, no, that's but I mean, like, there there's another shot where something hits it at night, so you know somebody's gonna hit it. Um but it does kind of like why Thor.

SPEAKER_07 12:03

Go ahead.

SPEAKER_01 12:04

It does kind of Thor yet.

SPEAKER_07 12:06

He had already done Thor.

SPEAKER_01 12:07

Nope.

SPEAKER_07 12:09

Man, I hate to look this up for you, but I'm gonna. When they filmed it, he hadn't done Thor.

SPEAKER_04 12:14

When they filmed it, he hadn't. This movie got delayed like.

SPEAKER_07 12:17

But he'd already made this movie. He did Thor and then made this movie.

SPEAKER_04 12:20

No, he had made this movie.

SPEAKER_07 12:22

According to the releases, anyway. Yes, released. Thor was first.

SPEAKER_04 12:26

Yes, but this movie was filmed first. Gotcha, gotcha. This movie was delayed a few times. Gotcha.

SPEAKER_01 12:33

Um, what was I saying? Oh yeah, trailers, posters, cool stuff. Um missed it when it first came out, caught it in theaters. Um I expected to love it, and I think I thought it was cool, but I don't remember like being wowed by it. No, I I think at the time I was like, wow, that was really fun. Um, but then I didn't go back to it as much as I thought I would. But I do recommend it when people ask, like, are this good? I'm like, yeah, check it out.

SPEAKER_06 13:09

Do you guys want to go into the history of it? Sure.

SPEAKER_01 13:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 13:12

Um, so director Drew Godard, is this his first?

SPEAKER_01 13:16

Yes, it is.

SPEAKER_06 13:18

What was he doing before?

SPEAKER_01 13:20

Um He did Cloverfield. He wrote it.

SPEAKER_06 13:23

He was a writer mainly. He worked a lot with it.

SPEAKER_01 13:25

He started yeah, he started in Bad Bad Robot at Bad Robot in 2005, so he was in that sphere for a while.

SPEAKER_06 13:33

But uh And then what what was Wheedon's tie-in with this?

SPEAKER_04 13:36

Whedon was he okay, so it's I don't like Whedon, right?

SPEAKER_01 13:39

Not now.

SPEAKER_04 13:40

No. So Drew Drew Goddard and um Josh Whedon, they wrote the film together.

SPEAKER_07 13:48

Why don't we like Josh Whedon? I'm sorry to interrupt.

SPEAKER_06 13:53

Galgado came out and was like, he was very, very mean to me.

SPEAKER_07 13:56

Yeah, okay, I don't like that.

SPEAKER_04 13:57

No, and there's other yeah, there's stories accusations.

SPEAKER_01 14:01

Yeah, there's a lot of stuff.

SPEAKER_04 14:02

We don't really sidetrack.

SPEAKER_01 14:04

I just also a serial cheater, apparently. Oh, yeah, and that's why the one a lot of his leading ladies.

SPEAKER_04 14:10

And that's why I think all his content stopped, and I think one of his shows he was doing, they like aired the final season.

SPEAKER_01 14:16

Oh yeah, yeah. It was a one-season thing, and they were like, Yeah, I think we finished the story. You didn't. Also, I think uh they said that when they were filming Buffy, there was like an unspoken rule where he wasn't allowed to be alone with uh the actress who played Buffy's younger system.

SPEAKER_06 14:32

Yeah. Was she young young?

SPEAKER_01 14:34

Yeah, she was I think she was like uh like 16, 17.

unknown 14:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 14:38

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_01 14:38

So coach. I I don't know that if they're implying that he's a pedophile. Yeah. I don't think they are, but they're basically saying like people very uncomfortable. Yeah. You made people ve Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 14:47

It just sucks. Just let me make the statement. We don't have to follow up. It just sucks that like people are aware of these people, but they would do everything to like save other people from them. But not banning this person directly.

SPEAKER_01 15:03

Yeah, yeah. Okay. Money and power. So sadly, exactly.

SPEAKER_07 15:06

Sadly that's happened a lot. Yeah. Dan.

unknown 15:08

Oh.

SPEAKER_01 15:09

Not Dan.

SPEAKER_04 15:10

But no, and I think there's a lot of stories too of like just like verbal abuse.

SPEAKER_03 15:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:20

Yeah, he told her that he would make sure that she had no career because she didn't want to do like a a certain like Yeah, it was it was a scene in um in Justice League. It was a reshoot where the flash falls on her boobs as like a joke of like, oh, I ran too fast and I felt like it. Yeah, and she's gonna be able to do it. And she was like, No, thank you. Yeah, and he directed Wonder Woman?

SPEAKER_04 15:40

No, yes, he no, uh sorry, Justice League Justice League.

SPEAKER_01 15:44

Yeah, he he did reshoot Justice League movie. Yeah, the the the the one that came out in theaters, not the one that was redone after the fact.

SPEAKER_04 15:52

Um, quick, yeah. So basically, Justice League was coming out, Zack Snyder, his daughter, had passed, so he left the movie, and then Joss Whedon came in and finished. Gotcha.

SPEAKER_07 16:04

Where were we at here?

SPEAKER_04 16:05

Oh, I was saying so Joss Whedon and Drew Goodard. Drew Godard, yeah. They wrote the movie. This movie was literally, they were like, hey, they had an idea kind of for it, so they locked themselves in like in a room or a house. A cabin. A cabin, something like that. In the woods. And they wrote they they finished the entire screenplay in one weekend. They wrote this entire film.

SPEAKER_07 16:28

This one we just watched.

SPEAKER_04 16:30

Okay, cool.

SPEAKER_07 16:31

That's actually kind of impressive.

SPEAKER_04 16:32

Yeah, they challenged themselves to do it.

SPEAKER_07 16:34

Because it actually doesn't feel like it was written in one week.

SPEAKER_04 16:37

No.

SPEAKER_06 16:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 16:38

And it was whereas we've some some movies where they probably spent months on that felt like it was written in one day.

SPEAKER_04 16:44

Uh spring break? No, fall break.

SPEAKER_07 16:46

I can think of many. Many, many, many.

SPEAKER_04 16:49

Oh, I'm just gonna let you all know now it's a real thing. Mutilator 2 is coming out, so get ready.

SPEAKER_07 16:53

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_06 16:54

Did we watch the first one? Yeah, fall break. Fall break. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_07 16:57

Can I sit down for a second? Because oh my god, I'm um I'm just so excited.

SPEAKER_06 17:01

Who was directing Mutilator 2? I don't remember.

SPEAKER_04 17:04

So I'm like Denny Villinie. I'm like Sean Penn. Being shot on IMAX film. I'm just kidding. This division.

SPEAKER_06 17:09

So um But it was originally with MGM, right? So why was it delayed?

SPEAKER_04 17:13

No, it it wasn't with no, what was the yeah, MGM. So MGM went bankrupt. So the film got delayed because they didn't ha it couldn't get released. And I think Lionsgate had then purchased the film as other films were being acquired by MGM. They purchased this one. I think they held on to it for a little bit, and then with everything, the whole big 3D phase coming out, they delayed this film because they wanted to they wanted to do a post-conversion to 3D. Did it come out? It was cancelled. They they didn't end up doing it.

SPEAKER_06 17:50

It would have been cool in 3D.

SPEAKER_04 17:52

I wouldn't watch it, but I think the idea would be cool.

SPEAKER_07 17:54

In case you're taking notes, we're actually talking about the movie The Cabin in the city. I'm talking about it.

SPEAKER_04 17:58

Yeah. So I'm going to remote backstory. So then the movie finally came out. I think, yeah, they just dumped it in like I think it came out in like May of 2012. 12? Or is it 2012?

SPEAKER_07 18:08

Well, it's funny because I saw when I was watching on HBO, which I'll tell you in a second, it was 2011. Yeah. When it went on Plex, it was 2012. In the same movie, Frank's. That's when it released.

SPEAKER_04 18:20

2012?

SPEAKER_01 18:21

Yeah, uh 2011, I believe, was the original uh or one of the more original film festivals 11. Yes. Yeah. Uh the it was scheduled for release 2009. Yeah. And it was delayed, and then it was uh it had like a little festival run in 2011, and then it was officially released April 2012.

SPEAKER_07 18:43

Can I do a confusing? Can I do a little quick little trash talk?

SPEAKER_01 18:46

Numbers. Yeah, of course. So talk shit.

SPEAKER_07 18:49

I am going to and I don't care. It's me talking, you guys don't have to agree. Um so with my service through my phone and my internet, I get HBO for free. That's included. However, the HBO I get has ads.

SPEAKER_06 19:05

Ooh.

SPEAKER_07 19:06

So that's SuckFest. I was paying for HBO and I didn't have ads, but now I'm getting it for free with my beep server, or whatever you call it. Shit.

SPEAKER_04 19:16

We also have it on Voodoo. It's on Voodoo as well.

SPEAKER_07 19:20

So I started watching it on HBO. That's why I reached out and said, Is this on Blacks? Because like 15 minutes ago, and I've already gone through two commercial sessions. Oh, that's bad. It's terrible. It's like an hour 30.

SPEAKER_06 19:30

It's like two hours. It's a two-hour movie.

SPEAKER_07 19:32

Right. Okay. Dumb. F that crap. So I went into our other.

SPEAKER_04 19:38

F you and you went on voodoo. Just say voodoo.

SPEAKER_06 19:41

Can I tell you?

SPEAKER_01 19:42

He literally dropped name dropped it already anyway. Like twice.

SPEAKER_06 19:45

Can I can I tell you my clean that up though? Can I tell you my my my story? So I watched it on what, Sunday?

SPEAKER_04 19:52

Yeah, new tech Sunday.

SPEAKER_06 19:54

Yeah, so I I turn it on through Beep, and I was like, this is so fucking dark. Like I could barely see these people's faces. And I've never had that experience with this where where we watch it on. Mm-hmm. And I'm like, I'm sticking with it because I've seen it already, so I kind of know what's going on, but then it kind of got annoying, so I texted him, like, hey, is something going on? Because it's I didn't want to text you yet until I get confirmation from someone else. And then he's like, okay, let me try it out. And he sent me a picture, crystal clear. Can see both the faces, and I'm like, something's fucking up. Because my TV, I was watching something prior, so it wasn't my TV, so I thought it was a service. And then he's like, hey, he called me. He's like, can you check your connection?

SPEAKER_04 20:33

No, because I saw your I saw your photo because it was paused. Right. And I was like, is this your active bitrate right now?

SPEAKER_06 20:39

Yeah, he called me, he goes, hey, go into the settings. And I'm like, yeah, this is this, this is this. It goes, mine's at 100. And I'm like, something's wrong with mine. Sam's was at four. Jesus Christ. How are you seeing her connection? Because she took a picture. I took a picture to compare. And because my Wi-Fi sucks in my area. So then I was like, okay, so I just kind of played around. And luckily, I just hit the best option. And luckily my service was good at that time, so I was able to see crystal clear. Oh. Ford. It was actually six, but anyway.

SPEAKER_01 21:13

Okay, side tangent means a lot to me.

SPEAKER_06 21:15

You're judging.

SPEAKER_01 21:17

So yeah, this movie.

SPEAKER_06 21:19

Oh, and then um what I had two things before we jump in. It actually doubled what it was originally budgeted for, correct?

SPEAKER_01 21:27

30 million wasty-eight. I think that's great. Yeah, it's really good. Especially for worldwide or domestic. It's not bad. No, I mean I don't think the the the marketing was not like super big.

SPEAKER_06 21:43

No, and I feel like at that time marketing was very support. Yeah. Just posters, trailers.

SPEAKER_04 21:49

It wasn't as vi it wasn't it wasn't as internet viral. It wasn't yeah, before like I said, you would see like T V spots, you would see some ads, but it's not Oh it the marketing

SPEAKER_06 22:00

For this, and if they came out with this movie now, the marketing would go crazy.

SPEAKER_01 22:04

They would spoil all of the marketing.

SPEAKER_06 22:06

If they were to release this movie now, the marketing would be so good.

SPEAKER_01 22:09

Why?

SPEAKER_06 22:10

I feel like they would have more to do with like social media, viral campaigns and stuff. Right, right, right.

SPEAKER_01 22:17

Personality tests. What horror monster would you unleash?

SPEAKER_04 22:20

Well, I mean, and now choose your adventure. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 22:23

I mean What would you like the snakes to do on the plane?

SPEAKER_04 22:26

And this was literally like right before it, too. I mean, I don't know if this was even as Chris Hemsworth, we kept saying.

SPEAKER_06 22:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 22:31

Yeah. What about him? Well, did the marketing like I'm I'm sure they tried to capitalize Chris Hemsworth from the th they did, I don't remember.

SPEAKER_01 22:39

Yeah, they really pushed him. One more time. I mean as much as they could.

SPEAKER_06 22:42

I read that they were supposed to do a download content or whatever for Left 4 Dead too.

SPEAKER_04 22:48

They do, because they're in the favorite game. They're in the movie.

SPEAKER_06 22:52

Right, but they were supposed to do more things.

SPEAKER_04 22:53

Yeah, they were supposed to do its own level. Yeah. Yeah, this the game was supposed to get its own and then the facility. Yeah, it was supposed to get its own level. Is that still supported? Left for Dead? Absolutely. The community's still alive. Oh shit, that's cool. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 23:06

I'm the community. Just me.

SPEAKER_04 23:10

Yeah, that's what I've heard. Alright, so back to the movie.

SPEAKER_07 23:14

Yeah. Let's do it.

SPEAKER_04 23:15

Yeah. So I guess we can say so basically the whole premise, like we said a hundred times, is this group's go into the cabin, but you find out there's a bigger picture where there's these people at a facility and they do this every year, right? Yeah, it's a yearly. It's every year, and essentially they have to like kind of supervise and watch over. There's they do it in many different sparts in the world, different scenarios, and one of the scenari one of the scenarios has to be completed in order to appease this greater power that we don't know what it is yet, and we find out kind of early on as things are getting unraveled that every scenario has failed.

SPEAKER_03 23:57

This specific year.

SPEAKER_04 23:59

This specific year, they're all failing. And this one might be like their last chance. I love the Tokyo one. I love the Kyoto.

SPEAKER_01 24:13

Well, you need to watch more J Horror, so.

SPEAKER_04 24:16

And you saw the grudge. You saw the grudge and you don't know. It's because the story's told out of order. You know what? The kid running is out of order.

SPEAKER_05 24:26

Yes.

SPEAKER_07 24:26

Yeah, I didn't really get what that was. It was the kids in the classroom.

SPEAKER_06 24:29

Yeah, no, no, I I saw the movies.

SPEAKER_01 24:31

I know I'm explaining. I'm saying that. I didn't get what was going on. Yeah. They trapped Kimiko's spirit in the frog. It was pretty self-explanatory. The happy kid.

SPEAKER_06 24:40

It was so cute. Um to jump back, I f when the movie started, it was a lot to unpack in the first like ten minutes. Oh gosh. But it started out. It started out like a very normal horror movie.

SPEAKER_04 24:57

Like the music and the title cards.

SPEAKER_06 24:59

Oh, these are all the the tropes. These are all the characters that are in every single horror movie. Absolutely. What were you gonna say, Dan?

SPEAKER_07 25:05

Um, no, I was gonna I was really supporting what you were saying. The openings, the scene, the first time we're in the government lab.

SPEAKER_03 25:13

The facility.

SPEAKER_07 25:14

Yeah. Uh I found it, I think actually, here's this is what I wrote. Exactly what I wrote. So did you write that? The setup of at the science lab was clean, simple, and to the point. I have no idea what's going on. Yeah. That's exactly how I and I and I didn't feel like ripped that I didn't know. I felt like, okay, you're showing me something important, I hope.

SPEAKER_06 25:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 25:37

And uh you will somehow explain this to me as we go. And I felt like that whole storyline, if I can just kind of j don't want to journey, but just arc it, really unfolded very slowly.

SPEAKER_06 25:50

In a good way or a bad way?

SPEAKER_07 25:51

All the way until we really didn't know to the very end. No, no, not in a bad way at all. We we kind of arced our way. That arced its way probably better than actually Well, the Cow in the Woods thing didn't matter. That was just Evil Dead. Yeah. So this was really unfolded to all the way to Sigourney Weaver.

SPEAKER_00 26:11

Mm-hmm.

unknown 26:12

Right?

SPEAKER_07 26:13

Which was a surprise. Oh I then we finally get the, as we always joke, the bad guy explains everything to you before you Yeah. But that's what it did. Are they depressed? I was making different well, I know. That's that's another question. I was making guesses, as I'm sure we all were the first time we watched it, trying to figure it out, guessing, what is this, what does this mean? So that that's not a complaint, actually. No that's keeping you Entertained, entertained, and if I'm constantly trying to guess, and it's constantly keeping me in, you know, in in uh playing along. Yeah, then I'm I'm that's not a that's not a bad thing.

SPEAKER_04 26:51

Yeah, because the opening was so hard, like I said, so we get the title ticket, and then we get the guys driving in the cart, and I was like, okay, first time when I was in theaters. So, what's going on? I'm like, is this like some workplace thing? Like, is this I thought, oh, maybe these are just two guys for the opening kill or something, and then they're driving, and then I remember it goes, ah, it does the screen when the title card came on. I love the title cards. Half the theater jumped.

SPEAKER_06 27:12

You know what the title card reminded me of? Funny games. A little bit. Yeah. Um, and I agree with you, Dan. I feel like they drop you in right in the middle, but they don't leave you so far behind that you're like, you know what? Fuck it. I'm not gonna even try to guess. It keeps you guessing. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_04 27:29

It's enough, like I said, it's enough to keep you guessing, but you know what's going on.

SPEAKER_06 27:32

Right, like all the hints, and even them like, oh, we need to like appease appease whoever's at the bottom or the master, or what do they call them?

SPEAKER_01 27:38

The the old ones. The elders. Yeah, right. I feel like that's the elders. That's such a catch-up. Like the old ones. The elders, the people upstairs.

SPEAKER_04 27:47

Yeah, and the elders. Yeah. And then the town elders. Well, it even gets a little more scary, because then it almost like turns into the movie Blade, whenever like a character would die, it would have like the blood, yeah, the bloodstream, and it wouldn't like. I really like that. That was cool.

SPEAKER_06 28:01

Yeah, when they have to pull the handle, yeah. It reminded me, I don't get it though.

SPEAKER_04 28:05

I didn't get it.

SPEAKER_01 28:06

It's a sacrifice. It was a symbolic thing, though. It wasn't like technically their blood.

SPEAKER_07 28:12

All the little cutouts. Oh, yeah, the blood. The archetypes. That that didn't totally play for me, but that's okay. It didn't bother me.

SPEAKER_01 28:19

I don't think it was supposed to. I think it was supposed to be like, oh, they're really forcing this. Like going back to what you said earlier about them not um interfering. I think they were selling or trying to sell, hey, like, we don't interfere, we just let stuff happen. But then they were also like, but you know, if something needs a little push, we'll we'll do it. But we'll guide it. We'll guide it. They're guiding the whole thing. They just they haven't realized how far they've gone.

SPEAKER_07 28:44

Ultimately, when things are falling apart, they were totally confined.

SPEAKER_04 28:46

Yeah, because they they were because if I mean it was their only option, you know what I mean? But I think because like I said too, didn't it say the order like, oh yeah, like the version lives or dies, you know, all this stuff kind of had to happen. Yeah, the person had to pick the item.

SPEAKER_07 29:01

And so we're the item would that you pick and would would result in what it was you were fighting, it's gonna be right it's the marshmallow man.

SPEAKER_04 29:12

Uh I didn't think anything.

SPEAKER_07 29:13

Did you think anything?

SPEAKER_04 29:14

Yeah, exactly. But um, so and then so after the whole like government facility, we cut to the stereotypical teen bedroom, friends are pulling up, we're all excited, let's go on this trip.

SPEAKER_06 29:27

One girl is like dreading going and she gets the nerd, and then the other one's the more outgoing, quote unquote sluttier version. Um, and then the duck boyfriend.

SPEAKER_07 29:38

I will say that the intellectual nice guy, and then the stoner. The stoner. We have to get talk about the stoner. Talk about him.

SPEAKER_06 29:46

He looks out.

SPEAKER_07 29:47

Okay. First of all, he looked like Owen Wilson to me.

SPEAKER_06 29:49

Wait, can I mention something? He just looks so much older than everybody else.

SPEAKER_07 29:54

He got held back like four times. Right. But he looked kind of like Owen Wilson in an odd kind of way. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:59

Like whose older brother is this? Here's my he's a he's a frequent uh actually. He was in Dollhouse. Yeah. Here's what I have to cast.

SPEAKER_07 30:07

Here's what I wrote very early on.

SPEAKER_01 30:10

Which is a good show, by the way.

SPEAKER_07 30:12

Stoner guy needs to get off early. He's really annoying me.

SPEAKER_04 30:17

I like him.

SPEAKER_07 30:18

I see, I he got he kind of grew on me as the movie went on. But that first like 15 to 30 minutes, I was like, you need to die. Well, first of all, I have known. This is gonna shock all of you, but in my lifetime, I have known and been friends with many, many stoners. I will tell you right now What did I do? Tell me the truth, too smoke the ganja. This dude was smoking pot all day long. Yeah. No. I think they call those unbelievable, or you get stoned two, three hours, you go again. Two, three hours, you go. I mean he was smoking. He was smoking. I think they call those burnouts. I think they call those burnouts. It was really stupid. It was a satire.

SPEAKER_04 31:03

There are but there are there are people that do do that, Dan. Like they do do it. You need to do it.

SPEAKER_07 31:10

You need to introduce me to one. I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 31:12

They're the people you don't hang out with. They're like the burnouts.

SPEAKER_07 31:15

But I don't I don't know. You don't hang out with them, so perfect. But anyway, you don't know them either, so you don't know them.

SPEAKER_04 31:20

Dan, what did you think about the scene at the gas station? Wait, wait, wait, wait.

SPEAKER_01 31:27

That first scene where they introduce everybody, I feel uh like in the past I thought it was funny, it was like effective. Going back to it now, the Joss Whedonisms of the oh, these characters are quirky, aren't they? Really like popped out this time.

SPEAKER_06 31:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:44

And it was a little off-putting in terms of like, I don't care about any of these.

SPEAKER_06 31:48

No, the chemistry wasn't there for any of them.

SPEAKER_01 31:50

I also cringed a little bit because I did write something at one point that was like a horror thing. Uh-huh. And the intro to that was very similar in terms of like, here's a cast of characters, and these are all their quirks, and now I'm like, ugh.

SPEAKER_04 32:05

But I think it's but you grow as a writer. I think that's intentional.

SPEAKER_01 32:09

I think it plays in.

SPEAKER_07 32:10

Do you think we're supposed to care about these people?

SPEAKER_01 32:12

To a certain extent, I think you're supposed to care about the main actress and maybe like the the smart job.

SPEAKER_06 32:19

Well, but like I feel like you're conditioned to find something to like.

SPEAKER_07 32:24

You never whenever you watch the but no, this was this was way too much. Do you think it was intentional? This had no depth. I was way more interested in the lab people than I was in these people. Yeah, same. Way more interested. And I will say I dig that guy so much. What's his name?

SPEAKER_04 32:39

He was in uh Jenkins. Bradley. He was in Happy, he was in Billy Madison.

SPEAKER_07 32:43

No, he was in the actor who was in uh um Get Out Get Out. Yeah, Bradley. Yeah, whatever. I love that guy. I feel like if they picked up He's so good in this movie. If they picked anybody else for the other thing. He's my favorite person in the movie, actually.

SPEAKER_06 32:54

Same. If they picked anybody else for those two, I don't think it would work.

SPEAKER_07 32:57

I agree with you.

SPEAKER_06 32:58

I love them too.

SPEAKER_07 32:59

Those two guys were so freaking great, and their chemistry was so great. You almost got a sense of improv. Like this didn't feel like dialogue. This felt like two guys who figured out their characters and are just going.

SPEAKER_06 33:13

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_07 33:14

It's really I didn't care at all about the four people in the cabin. If they didn't have yeah, if those two It was too cliche, the whole setup was too cliche. It was too broad.

SPEAKER_06 33:23

I think that's the two that's the point of it though, too. Yes. I I agree, right.

SPEAKER_01 33:26

It was supposed to start off in that direction and then move towards something that was more Yeah. Uh and I think it did. It just I don't know. There they're I I think that first scene could have been handled better.

SPEAKER_06 33:40

The gas station scene was then also put some pants on girl. No?

SPEAKER_07 33:45

I like when you said that. I didn't pants on.

SPEAKER_04 33:47

So the gas, the trains coming around here soon.

SPEAKER_07 33:51

The gas station scene. That's freaking freaking going all the way to the game. Texas chainsaw. Yeah. What was the one?

SPEAKER_06 33:58

It was 100%. The kid, the pancake kid. Oh, pancake. Pancake.

SPEAKER_04 34:03

It was very no, it was very much the like I said, like the West Craven, like killers have eyes, Texas, like it's the your package report. Yeah, you're like, oh, your kids are going all the way to the vent.

SPEAKER_07 34:15

Or was it an actor? Because when they had him when they were talking on the phone, I couldn't figure out what was going on.

SPEAKER_06 34:21

No loudspeaker? No.

SPEAKER_07 34:23

I couldn't figure out was he was he serious? Or was he hired to be an actor?

SPEAKER_06 34:28

I think he took it seriously, then he everybody else took him.

SPEAKER_01 34:31

But I think I think he was like buying into the uh the whole thing, and they were like, We're just at work.

SPEAKER_06 34:37

He's a method actor, do you well?

SPEAKER_01 34:38

Yeah, he was to Jared Leto. I'm scared.

SPEAKER_04 34:40

Yeah. No, I think that's the thing. I think it's like I think he believed it, but like I said, he was just typical like old man technology. Like, oh, he's old.

SPEAKER_06 34:49

He's old.

SPEAKER_04 34:50

Turn off your phone. Yeah, old. Turn off your phone. Turn off your phone. Mine's not even or do not disturb.

SPEAKER_01 34:58

Uh yeah. I thought it was funny, but also. I thought it was funny. There's there's no nowhere else to go with it. That's funny. It was good. It was it was a nice um little bit of a spin on the the typical, you know, like like you said, Travis, you kids are going up there. Why are you going there? Now your kids are gone. I wouldn't do that if I were you. I wouldn't stay out after dark.

SPEAKER_04 35:23

It's the scene from uh it's the scene from the mutilator. I know a thing about discrimination. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_06 35:30

Oh my god. But no, I do like that they used Evil Dead as like the base.

SPEAKER_04 35:34

Yeah, yeah, and like I said, and I think no, I think it was very clever in the way that I said all these like all the scenes leading up to them being in the cabin and everything happening, how they were just playing these tropes from these different movies. It's like, okay, now we're playing off this one. I thought it was well I thought it was well done.

SPEAKER_06 35:52

When you watched it, were you like, oh, it's from this movie. Oh, from this movie.

SPEAKER_04 35:55

Yeah, I mean, because they they have it so much because even like they said, even the scene when they're walking up to the cabin is the Texas Chainsaw scene. Yeah. With the house.

SPEAKER_06 36:03

Yeah. The reason why for for my pre-thoughts I said that I didn't like it the first time was because I hadn't seen a lot of war movies at that time. So I didn't fucking get the movie. When I first watched it. So that's why I hated it.

SPEAKER_01 36:17

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_06 36:18

Yeah, because I wasn't the fuck are they doing it? Right. Why the fuck are we watching like that?

SPEAKER_04 36:23

Yeah, but with that said, um final thoughts. Dan no, because I was gonna say, Dan, because I know you and I bicker about this all the time. Amongst many things. No, I was gonna say where I like this film, like I said, especially in these couple opening scenes and way more scenes in the movie, how it's like I said, very much playing homage to these other movies. Where I know sometimes you'll say, Oh, I don't like this scene from the movie, and I'll be like, Oh, because it's playing on this movie, and you'll be like, There is no way. You know, you know that constant argument we're having. Do you think this movie is No, but I think, you know, without any doubt, um staring at me too seriously. There might be some doubt. What?

SPEAKER_07 37:06

Huh? What?

SPEAKER_04 37:08

No, that I could say I think it has fun with like the little like homages it's playing to the other people.

SPEAKER_07 37:13

I think it's all Evil Dead. Yeah. I don't think no complaints. I don't know any other homage they're doing. This Evil Dead. That's the movie they're doing homage on. I think they picked the the broadest Cabin of the Woods movie ever made, which is the original Evil Dead.

SPEAKER_04 37:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 37:29

And that's what they're I thought it was a good idea because it's a nice broad stroke. You don't have to explain anything. They're called women.

SPEAKER_04 37:38

Well, what I mean, more too where I said, we're just rolling. I was supposed to be silly. Well that's what I'm saying. It applies where it's like silly goofy over the top.

SPEAKER_06 37:48

You know how they went down to the basement and then they saw all these arch? Cellar, sorry, they saw all these artifacts.

SPEAKER_07 37:54

They had like the pinhead. They had everything, the pinhead thing, they had all the different the little musical box or whatever.

SPEAKER_06 38:01

You know what have been what would have been cool if they played it like Clue, where you go different times and you get different adventures. What have been cool? What have been cool, you know? They'd have to make like five or six entirely different.

SPEAKER_07 38:16

It would no, it would just was the right length for me.

SPEAKER_06 38:19

No, i I mean like different versions of it. You just go. You know how Clue had like different endings. If you go, you don't know which ending you're getting.

SPEAKER_04 38:26

So you would get like five or six entirely different movies.

SPEAKER_06 38:29

Hell yeah. Hell yeah, brother. What's your problem? That's like that that's a lot of money.

SPEAKER_01 38:34

Well, no, I think you only have to change two things. They're just monster in act three.

SPEAKER_06 38:41

And then the beginning of who what you picked.

SPEAKER_01 38:44

Let's let's do it. Let's do it ourselves. Right now. Fuck Travis.

SPEAKER_04 38:49

Weren't they talking about making weren't they talking about making this a no TV show?

SPEAKER_01 38:52

Oh, you know what? I think they were at the Okay, then that would have worked that way.

SPEAKER_04 38:56

And not because that's what it was. It was different scenarios. But I'm like, why? Like, you already know the mystery. The mystery's been unlocked.

SPEAKER_06 39:05

I like I like when they were all placing bets on which Oh, with the board?

SPEAKER_04 39:09

That was my bet that's my favorite part of the movie. Yeah. And then I like how the one guy just wants the mermaid. The mermaid monster. And then he and then he dies because of course.

SPEAKER_07 39:19

Yeah, I I like that too. Yeah. Let me ask you this question. Let's get out too. Once you're done, Frank, sorry.

SPEAKER_01 39:26

I'm done.

SPEAKER_07 39:27

Starting with anybody who wants to jump in. Did you find this movie scary?

SPEAKER_06 39:33

The first time I seen it, yes, because I was scared of like horror movies. Now no.

SPEAKER_01 39:38

No, I I found it scary insofar as I would find something like Friday the 13th scary. It's more like the Starles and John than it is like something that I would think about days later.

SPEAKER_04 39:51

No. I found it cool. I mean, I and like I said, I thought I don't find it scary at all. Like I thought the whole thing.

SPEAKER_07 39:56

I thought the idea of what was going on around there, like like the whole idea of what this government laboratory was doing so distracting, not distracting in a bad way, so f it so far outweighed what was actually happening to the four kids that I didn't find it scary at all.

SPEAKER_01 40:16

So you're fascinated by it. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_07 40:19

If you like this and you like and you like Battle Royale, you're sick of it. I really enjoyed it. I really did find this very fascinating, but I didn't find it scary. And I don't and that's not a criticism. I I I I I don't know what it is. Was this movie supposed to be scary?

SPEAKER_06 40:34

I don't know how it was.

SPEAKER_07 40:35

I don't think it was scary, unless you're like eight or nine, ten years old watching it.

SPEAKER_06 40:38

I think the atmosphere and then the creatures themselves. Like the redneck. Right, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 40:43

Like I thought the whole scene when they first introduced them when like when gruesome when when the when the c when the couple when they when they went out when they I wish it was more when they ran out into the woods and the whole redneck scene for the first time. Yeah. I mean, I guess some people can find that scene kind of not scary, but suslike thrill like a thrilling.

SPEAKER_06 40:59

What I found funny was when they threw her head.

SPEAKER_04 41:01

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_06 41:02

That was funny though. They only had thirty million dollars.

SPEAKER_07 41:08

It didn't look real at all.

SPEAKER_06 41:09

Right.

SPEAKER_07 41:10

Um I I think the fact that we we knew that well obviously at the end we found out the big picture what was going on. We should get to that soon. But up to that point I felt like well, is this is even is this even real what's going on?

SPEAKER_06 41:32

Like what's happening to them?

SPEAKER_07 41:34

Yeah. I mean I was real like they were getting but I didn't know what was really being controlled. I mean I didn't know you know what I mean. So I was way more interested in what was going on by the puppeteers than what was going on with the victims. So that's why it took me out of it being scary at all. Gotcha.

SPEAKER_04 41:54

And I think that's also too why I'm glad that I hadn't seen anything because I was like, I wanted I I I'm kinda gonna kinda glad I knew a little bit I didn't know much about the puppeteer scenes ahead of time. Because I was like, oh, it was a it was a fun little surprise every time they came in. And like I said, I didn't even know from that opening scene. I didn't know there were puppeteers in the movie. I didn't know what I was watching. When? The first time I saw the movie. Oh what are you talking about? No, I'm just saying I'm glad I didn't know about that whole Puppeteer storyline. Oh into the movie. Gotcha.

SPEAKER_07 42:29

What did you think it was about then? Just another Evil Dead movie?

SPEAKER_04 42:32

I didn't know. I was like, okay, some kind of horror movie, like but then again at that time, Dan, like what was it, 2012?

SPEAKER_06 42:39

Like Oh, you hadn't seen trailers either.

SPEAKER_04 42:41

I hadn't seen the trailers. I was going to like the movie theater all the time. Like I just go, okay, what's newest movie? You theater hopped too.

SPEAKER_06 42:50

Not all theater hopper. Not really.

SPEAKER_04 42:52

Theater hoctua?

SPEAKER_06 42:56

That's Frank.

SPEAKER_01 42:58

I'm just saying.

SPEAKER_06 43:00

When they went when they started going down the elevator, my first thought was this is what Thirteen Ghosts could have been. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 43:09

Right?

SPEAKER_06 43:09

Like, there's a way better Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 43:12

Visually spent it thought out this movie way better. I like the idea of the house made of glass in in 13 Ghosts, but like the way that it's done is I still think it looks cool, but it definitely looks like it looks cool for what it is.

SPEAKER_04 43:27

You know why, Frank? The movie's a little too extreme. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 43:31

Do you think really quick for Thirteen Ghosts it it was it because of like when it was made during that time that they were restricted?

SPEAKER_01 43:39

No. I no, I because the the the way that that the that all of that is done and filmed, they definitely spent money on that set. Oh, okay. I think it's more the the uh direction. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 43:50

Okay. The execution and it was weird because like I said, it was like let's take William Castle movies and just make 'em early two thousand.

SPEAKER_06 44:00

Plug our previous episode now.

SPEAKER_04 44:02

Yeah, I didn't know the monk in a horror movie. Yeah, you didn't. It's the monk Halloween episode. Yeah, it's a good one. Meet Scooby-Doo. It's the classic horror.

SPEAKER_07 44:09

Oh my gosh, I have to interrupt. Please let me do this. Yes. So I'm so sorry. We were staying in a small town. I would all probably call it a village in Scotland. By the way, I was in Scotland for two weeks. I woke up kind of in the middle of the night, and I couldn't really go back to sleep, so I turned the TV on and I was flipping through Scottish channels, and I found a guide, I found Scooby-Doo. And you know how you can see how many half hours you're gonna get? It was literally gonna go on for like the rest of the three days. So I put it on. And literally from like three in the morning till I think eight, eight thirty when that we were like getting ready to leave. You just watching it? I was watching Scooby-Doo.

SPEAKER_05 44:59

Were you also eating cereal? I'm not kidding. Did you eat cereal too? No.

SPEAKER_01 45:03

That show is really well done. Despite being like a cartoon for kids.

SPEAKER_07 45:06

I cannot tell you. This was kind of like this was like vintage stuff.

SPEAKER_01 45:10

Yeah, the 60s one, right?

SPEAKER_07 45:12

How long was they're still making them, aren't they?

SPEAKER_01 45:14

Yeah, just different series. But that 60s series is really fucking good.

SPEAKER_07 45:18

So well done. With all the celebrities they would have. Meets the Harlem Global Trotters. And the lines are always the same. You meddling kids.

SPEAKER_04 45:27

I'm a guy away with if you kid you meddling kids. It was always funny too. I was always so accepting how it was a cartoon with a laugh track. Yes. Yes.

SPEAKER_07 45:35

I've never seen an episode of Scooby-Doo. I think you would like it. Yeah. I really think you would like it.

SPEAKER_01 45:41

Did you ever watch Courage the Cowardly Dog?

SPEAKER_06 45:44

Um, because my cousins were watching it, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 45:46

Can anybody do a Scooby for me? Any kind of screen? Rutro. I can't do it.

SPEAKER_05 45:52

Like Scoob. Scoob. That was actually pretty good.

SPEAKER_07 45:57

Thank you. Yeah, I can do it. I can desire him.

SPEAKER_06 45:59

He's seen like 16 hours of Scooby-Doo.

SPEAKER_07 46:01

Literally probably saw like 12 episodes. There you go. He's basically an expert now. Crazy. And I was just, and Joni was like, Honey, are you okay? This is Scooby, man. I'm all Scooby. I'm Scooby in Scotland. You didn't go towards hiking. You were watching Scooby-Doo. I was having so much fun. And what's the one, the darker haired girl with the glasses? She always stalls everything.

SPEAKER_02 46:23

You said you've never seen an episode.

SPEAKER_07 46:24

Oh, I don't know. She explains everything at the end. She's so smart.

SPEAKER_04 46:29

I did not say those words.

SPEAKER_05 46:30

I will never. Scooby-Scooby treats?

SPEAKER_02 46:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 46:33

I'm gonna edit you saying that, but when he's talking. No. Alright. He says liar. I didn't mean to get a soldier. That's okay. Someone has to do every episode.

SPEAKER_06 46:42

Okay, so plug our episode for 13 ghosts, please.

SPEAKER_04 46:44

If you haven't, you should listen to our previous episode from this season. Scooby-dooby-doo. Thur one three ghosts. Yeah. One yeah, thir Thur13 ghosts.

SPEAKER_06 46:58

One of them ate. Alright.

SPEAKER_05 47:03

I don't even know where we are. It's a sex joke. So continue. It's a gay joke.

SPEAKER_06 47:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 47:09

Where were we?

SPEAKER_06 47:11

They descended down to the elevator.

SPEAKER_04 47:13

You said 13 ghosts.

SPEAKER_06 47:15

And it's it reminded me of the. Yeah. Oh, you know what the guy with the with the blades, that's why it reminded me of 13 ghosts.

SPEAKER_01 47:27

Yeah, the uh the um proto-pin head.

SPEAKER_04 47:29

Yeah. And I was and I'm gonna say this, I'm gonna say this, Dan, because I want to know what you think about this trope. Or just then. Yeah, Dan, what do you think? No, I'm sure I'm just thinking about you. I know that's why I'm calling you out. It's so like cheesy, but I always think I'm always a sucker for it. I have a lot of fun with the oh, you think this character, this character won't die, he just keeps coming back? I'll add the stoner guy. Who I think is who I think is hilarious where the only reason he's figuring everything out is because he's done so much, he smokes so much pot that like he's immune to like the chemicals that they're putting in there.

SPEAKER_01 48:07

That's a pretty cool club.

SPEAKER_04 48:08

That was a fun little twist, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 48:11

I didn't like him.

unknown 48:13

Okay.

SPEAKER_07 48:13

He kind of grew on me, but I didn't really like him.

SPEAKER_04 48:16

The way you said that was very true, you kind of talked like Heyman. I didn't like him. I didn't care. I don't know.

SPEAKER_07 48:23

I liked the idea of the character. I didn't care for the casting. Of the Star Trek, they should have hired Ben Platt. I wasn't big on him. Ben Platt.

SPEAKER_04 48:33

Well, here's the thing, Dan. It's even weirder. Dan, here's the thing. He wasn't very big Joss hidden actor, so he would have been in that movie no matter what.

SPEAKER_07 48:44

And that's fine. I mean, I'm not I'm not controlling.

SPEAKER_01 48:47

I don't think he's like offensively older.

SPEAKER_07 48:49

He's just I didn't even that's not even talking about. I just didn't like I think of Sean Penn was he can't be in that movie.

SPEAKER_01 48:58

Hang on, hang on.

SPEAKER_07 48:59

I was gonna say Sean Penn's Sean Penn's performance in in Fast Times as Bicoli and Fast Times, to me, that is the that's the line, man. That's the stoner. Everybody else is just doing some bad imitation of it. So so when I see someone that performance, to me, again, this is an acting thing. It felt like he was playing the stoner. I never bought him as a stoner. Right. Sean Penn is Bakuli, I bought him a hundred percent as a stoner.

SPEAKER_06 49:33

Have you ever seen Pineapple Express? Oh yeah. What did you think of Francos? Did you think that was great?

SPEAKER_04 49:39

How about uh Chichen Chong?

SPEAKER_07 49:41

Well, they they were stoned. They actually were stoned. But what I was gonna do. I felt like he was acting like a child.

SPEAKER_06 49:47

When you said he grew on you at some point, at what point?

SPEAKER_07 49:49

I he the When he died. The character, not the stoner thing, but his presence grew on you. Gotcha. Like the idea of him being there. Like he's a president. As a writer uh writing the script, the idea of him living through all this. Okay. I think they were that idea worked for me.

SPEAKER_04 50:07

I think they were also not the performance. That makes sense. Two very different kinds of stoners where it's like Spokoli was like the slacker, like surfer stoner.

SPEAKER_07 50:17

I think it's an acting stoner. I'm sorry, I think it's the actor.

SPEAKER_04 50:19

Okay, okay, okay.

SPEAKER_07 50:20

I I get what you're saying, but I just felt like this actor was playing at being a stoner.

SPEAKER_04 50:26

So he was playing a I never bought him. It was actually.

SPEAKER_07 50:33

For me. I'm just saying. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 50:35

So Dan, at this point when they descended down, at any point were you like, okay, this is too out of the realm.

SPEAKER_07 50:41

My Dan meter? Are we doing it?

SPEAKER_06 50:42

Yeah, Dan meter, but in like believability.

SPEAKER_07 50:45

Whip out your Dan meter, right?

SPEAKER_04 50:47

Believability. Did you think it did you Woo? Did you think it was going to like did you think it was too much? Like out of reach. What are we doing?

SPEAKER_06 50:54

What if they went down to the basement or whatever and they saw all these creatures and they got released? Right. Were you like, this is not a shot?

SPEAKER_07 51:01

So you're talking about Act 3. Yes. Yeah. So I actually wrote.

SPEAKER_06 51:08

Read your notes, Dan. You think it jumped the shot?

SPEAKER_07 51:11

Bring them on, Dan. Whip those out too. No, no. Actually, you'll probably be surprised about what I have to say about this. I was actually really happy about Act 3.

SPEAKER_06 51:22

That's ending.

SPEAKER_07 51:23

Many times I have said we've in these movies we watch, I'll go, they didn't go far enough in the third act.

SPEAKER_06 51:30

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 51:31

This movie went apeshit crazy. And I think that's exactly what this movie needed to do. Anything short of what this did would have not worked. In fact, that third act for me makes the movie work. Complete it. Completely. Because of course that's where that's where 28 of the 30 million dollars went. But I mean it's like the third act was wild and crazy. And a lot of these movies I feel like the third act needs to be a lot wilder, and this one paid. So Gorney Weaver's explanation at the end was a bit of a stretch. But it was but it but so it was not reality TV, it was actually an exercise to go through the save the world, balance, blah blah blah. Um no no, I thought the third act was great. I thought that the it it it was the explosion we needed in this storyline.

SPEAKER_06 52:24

Both literally and figure out. So then for your Danmeter, in based on Danmeter?

SPEAKER_07 52:36

Dan meter is where am I at?

SPEAKER_06 52:39

Emotionally, fearly grossly in this round, it's more like excitement for the movie. Oh when it's like a tailwinding.

SPEAKER_07 52:49

When they went down and saw all those creatures to the end, up to Sigourney Weaver's entrance, and I'm not saying that is bad, I'm just saying that my meter was up to like nine.

SPEAKER_06 53:01

Nice.

SPEAKER_07 53:02

I was rocking, man. I mean, I was sitting in the I was sitting in the den watching the TV. I was I was rocking out. I mean, I really, really liked that.

SPEAKER_06 53:11

Yeah. That really changed my opinion about he was he was Leo from Once Upon a Time in Hollywood when he was in front of the TV, just being like, oh, oh.

SPEAKER_07 53:21

Telling you. I mean, I don't know if that's cheap. I don't know what it is, but for me, it was like, yeah, this is what that movie needed to do.

SPEAKER_06 53:30

When you guys first saw it. 100%.

SPEAKER_07 53:32

This movie needed to do that.

SPEAKER_06 53:33

How did you guys feel about that part the first time you guys saw it?

unknown 53:36

No.

SPEAKER_01 53:36

Wait, which part specifically? Going down the elevator? And then the Holter.

SPEAKER_04 53:44

I think it helped them stick the landing. They didn't play like, hey, we're gonna if you're gonna go crazy, go crazy. If you're gonna have a movie about like a bunch of monsters and pits, yeah, let's see them all. Let's have everybody's rocket out at the end.

SPEAKER_07 53:55

And let's kick everybody's ass. Now, I will let's we'll we'll talk about the ending ending next.

SPEAKER_04 54:01

So what's Segordi Weaver's explanation?

SPEAKER_07 54:04

Why is she Well, she explains that you'll take that line again? I would I could use some help with this, by the way, I'll be honest. I found it well, he's bored with me.

SPEAKER_04 54:17

I found it was Sigorni Weaver in the video because that was subtitled. That was me being the stoner. Ugh! Take it ahead.

SPEAKER_07 54:23

See, that that was I bought that.

SPEAKER_04 54:25

Alright, do the line again. What was Sigorni Weaver's explanation?

SPEAKER_07 54:29

Can you help? Can we all help each other with this? Remember how I zoned out at that point, so I lost. I mean, I I can I think I can explain it. She's that the the rulers of all this This is where I got confused.

SPEAKER_04 54:42

They have to make sacrifices to them.

SPEAKER_07 54:44

It's like the whole thing where the where the final girl has to survive that was.

SPEAKER_04 54:52

Well, that's a bonus. I think that's a bonus. Right?

SPEAKER_07 54:55

So they could have just all died, it didn't matter. Yeah. If they all die, we're still good. It had to follow the storyline where they all but her, again, it's a little it's a little it's very foggy. But like I said, it's that saves humanity. And if and if you that's why Stoner Guy needed to die. If Stoner Guy dies, then all the parts die. This story completed itself. And if that happens, then humanity is safe. But only for that year, then again they have to do it again. If it doesn't, then humanity is taken over by whatever these monsters are, and it's the end of the world. Literally the end of the world. Or the world is taken over by monsters. I don't know. I couldn't figure out what they were saying.

SPEAKER_06 55:41

The world is a vampire. I couldn't.

SPEAKER_07 55:44

I really found even her explanation, I was still confused as to exactly to a point where it's like, I I don't think I should really try to overthink this because I it doesn't really make sense. And I don't really want this.

SPEAKER_04 55:56

I think it almost kind of plays into like ancient, like, you know, like with tribes like sacrifices to appease the gods, they would play games. You know, I think it's stuff like that, but it's like, oh, what if we took and made like a modern version of that? I agree. That's what I think it is, and I think at the same time it's using in this case in this movie horror, because it's it's it's it's playing with the formula like oh, the way that you know, the reason why these movies are so formulaic, because it would always happens first. This character always dies first, then this character always dies. It's kind of playing with that classic formula.

SPEAKER_07 56:33

It was playing with the tropes. Uh let me ask you a question. That's away. After Sigourny Weaver dies, well, let me back up. So the girl actually puts the gun towards the stoner guy, like, okay, I got to kill you because I gotta save humanity. And then um, I think a monster jumped out or something. There was some kind of shit that happened. Yeah, there's a werewolf. Right, a werewolf. Then Sgorny Weaver dies, and so it's all just down to Stoner Guy and Final Girl, and they sit on the steps together and pass a joint. What movie did that remind you of at the end?

SPEAKER_04 57:10

Uh I don't know, Shauna the Dead?

SPEAKER_07 57:11

No. Heathers. Keep going. Passing back and forth the thing. Yeah. It was so the thing. It was exactly the ending of the thing. Not not exactly because the end of the thing is one of them the thing. Or both of them. Which makes it so freaking brilliant. That we're sitting there with the everything's on fire. They're both gonna die without question, but they're just passing that bottle of jack back and forth as they just wait to see. So it had that same feel. Like it's like, okay, well, the world's over. What if the world's over? That's okay. You know, it's all good. We're smoking pot.

SPEAKER_04 57:50

What if that's the natural thing, man? What if the world what if we're so what if we're supposed to end? Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 57:56

I I I will tell you, I honestly, I wasn't bothered by the ending.

SPEAKER_04 58:02

No.

SPEAKER_07 58:04

Yeah, it was okay with me. I mean, I I don't know that what else would have been more satisfying. Like, if she would have if he would have somehow inadvertently died, maybe by fighting Sorry and Weaver, they both go over, and so he dies in a battle. Like I thought of that as a possibility, and then she then the world is saved. But it's only for this year.

SPEAKER_04 58:29

Well, and then it and then next year.

SPEAKER_07 58:32

So it is over.

SPEAKER_04 58:33

And then next year they're the ones running it.

SPEAKER_07 58:35

Yeah, so I I was okay. For this kind of movie, and the sort of not cynicism, but it is a bit cynical, but it's a little bleak. The the bleakness of it and the darkness of it, the black humor of it all. I was okay with it. I mean, I didn't at the end go, oh man.

SPEAKER_06 58:56

Yeah, it's not one of those like happy ending.

SPEAKER_07 58:58

It didn't work out. But it did kind of work out. Yeah. This is kind of the way in the right.

SPEAKER_06 59:03

Rainbows and sunshine.

SPEAKER_07 59:05

So I was okay with that.

SPEAKER_04 59:06

Yeah, you already knew the system was falling apart. Yeah. So I was okay.

SPEAKER_07 59:10

That was fine.

SPEAKER_04 59:10

From the beginning, you know, it's not like and then everything was working and then it didn't. It's like you already knew from the beginning, yeah, it's probably not gonna work this year. I did like her, the girl.

SPEAKER_06 59:20

The final girl.

SPEAKER_07 59:21

I liked her.

SPEAKER_06 59:21

Well, that's what I just don't think.

SPEAKER_07 59:24

Survivor girl? Yeah. I d I just didn't think her I didn't I didn't think she had a very memory more layers. I liked her. I liked the actress. Yeah. But I could have used some layers, you know?

SPEAKER_01 59:38

She did a lot of heavy lifting for a pretty boring character.

SPEAKER_07 59:42

I agree, but I thought they were all kind of boring. One-sided, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 59:46

They were all archetypes. There was nothing.

SPEAKER_07 59:48

Nobody had nothing was interesting.

SPEAKER_06 59:50

No. But I also don't think that was the main point. But I get what you mean.

SPEAKER_07 59:54

You what?

SPEAKER_06 59:55

I get it. I don't think it was the main point to have like these characters. But yeah, I get what you mean.

SPEAKER_01 59:59

I think there would have been a stronger um ending. It would have been a stronger ending if they had been a little more deep and if their connection I think if we'd have cared about their storyline more.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:10

Yeah. I just don't think that's where the focus of the movie was. Yeah. No, it's the focus of stuff in the facility was on the facil on the game, not on the people that were trapped in the game.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:21

Watch, in thirty years they're gonna remake it like how they remade Evil Dead, and one of the characters will just be an addict, and they're just gonna go to a cabin for a recovery. I'm addicted to board games. I'm addicted to board games. Are we good to do final thoughts?

SPEAKER_07 1:00:38

Yeah, I am.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:39

Can we keep you last, Dan?

SPEAKER_07 1:00:41

Can you be last?

SPEAKER_06 1:00:43

Can you be last? I wanna see Final.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:45

What did Stan think about the the directing? Being that it was Drew Goddard's first like direct.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:50

I thought it did he did really well.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:51

Did We didn't just write it? I thought he directed it.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:54

No, it was Goddard.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:55

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:56

Have you seen Bad Times at the El Royale? Oh, I love that movie so much.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:00

He also did he also did the uh such a good movie. It's very Quentin Tarantino-ish.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:06

Yeah. Yes. He also didn't. I really like that movie a lot.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:10

Did you watch Daredevil? I really did. The Netflix Netflix.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:13

Did you do that one? I th I thought it was so well done. I thought the third act of that movie is so freaking great. I didn't think we watched it.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:19

I thought about it for a couple days after we watched it.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:21

That'd be a good podcast, maybe. Remember, have a story about going to that podcast. Would we have fun talking about it?

SPEAKER_01 1:01:29

We probably would. He's also um he was also involved with the um James Gunn DC writer's room. He helped like um lay the foundation. Lay out the where the story's gonna go, yeah. So he's pretty like prominent in nerdculture. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:44

Okay, cool. You want me to go f you want me to go first, Travis?

SPEAKER_01 1:01:47

Yes.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:48

Rock and roll girl.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:49

Okay, I he directs, I think he also wrote the not the book, but the film adaptation of The Martian. Yes, and uh Project Hail Mary.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:57

I like Martian. He's doing Project Hail Mary. Okay. As a writer, not directly.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:04

Okay, yeah, the the guys who did uh LEGO movie are doing the two brothers, Phil Lord and Chris Miller.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:10

Okay, cool. So for me, I feel like it's such a like a normal horror story, but with such a creative spin that like what Dan had said, it definitely kept me hooked and entertained all throughout. I never once was like, this is fucking boring. Yeah, it was very much okay, what's the next step? What are they doing? Yeah. I like that, and I like how they used the horror tropes as a tool, um, to help set up this like really creative storyline, and that like it's it's nice to see that these two definitely cared about the genre. It shine through for sure. And for someone who some for people that are in the horror community, I think they'll um appreciate this movie a lot. Yep. Um and then I think that's all I have to say, honestly. It's create the cinematography's great, and then it's a good thing. And you like it. So you liked it. So then so then, Dan, you're gonna like to hear this. The second time I watched it was during COVID. What's that? It's this little thing that we had in California. They should just in California.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:16

It should be renamed, not say that. Renamed movie. You're gonna sound movie.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:20

You sound very red. The movie years. You sound very red, Sam.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:23

Red Eddington?

SPEAKER_04 1:03:24

No, Sam sounds very red. That COVID thing only exists in California.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:28

But um, no, because I I remember obviously during COVID, I was like, I don't have anything to fucking do. So I rewatched because I I hated the movie. How bored you got? So bored. Because it wro I don't rem I think I fell asleep, but the hand part that came out, right? That was the hand that came out at the end. Remember I I would tell you that's why I hated the fucking movie. Yeah. Like, what's the fucking point of the hand? Rewatching it again after seeing a lot of horror movies, like, oh no, this makes sense. This is great. I actually really like this movie. Uh-huh. So it's So what does the hand mean? I don't remember.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:57

To really liking it. I've never had that experience in my life. Yeah. I've gone from hating to Okay, it's not terrible. I've gone from hating to even hating more.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:08

But never like hating. Because yeah, in that time span, I grew to love horror movies and I've seen a lot in that time span. So apparently you have. I saw I just noticed a lot of things this time around. Um but yeah, so overall I give it 3.8 cursed journals out of five.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:29

That's a good one. Thank you. I kept saying watch the movie, don't open that book. Stop spinning that thing.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:36

Stop reading it. Don't read that music box.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:38

Are you people insane?

SPEAKER_06 1:04:39

Yeah, don't put that necklace on.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:42

Damn. Did you know that's when a joke becomes a dad joke? When it becomes a parent.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:48

Frank?

SPEAKER_01 1:04:50

He did it.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:51

We almost came out of this unscathed. That was good, huh? That was totally scathed.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:56

That was actually pretty scared. You should write that down in your dad's jokebook.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:59

I don't put it in my dad's joke book. I put it in my database.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:02

Oh no. It's too back to the book. Frank, please save us.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:07

Frank, go.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:08

Go, Frank. Go. Go, Frank, go.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:11

Um, go, go, Ninja, go, Ninja, go.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:14

Go, Speed Racer.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:16

Um, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:20

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:20

I my opinion on it hasn't changed that much. I liked it.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:24

If you didn't like it, I love how you all say that, and that's not what I said. At this point, it's been spun so many times this is.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:38

Listen to the wrap of chopping mall.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:40

That's it.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:41

What I really like.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:42

This is your fifth time, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:05:43

Uh, probably. I I don't really count. I don't watch it that often. Um, but I do enjoy it. I like the premise. Um I agree. I think the setup just doesn't hold up as well on repeat watches because you know it's generic, so it's like, okay, let's get through the setup already so we can get to the Unfortunately, the cool stuff is like.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:03

But did you think that the first time watching? Because if you already know what's to come.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:08

Why didn't you say it like that?

SPEAKER_07 1:06:10

No, no. I agree with what Frank's saying because watch it for the first time, I felt that exact same way. I don't care about the storyline with these kids going to the cabin. It's so freaking cliche. I've seen it too many times. Let's go back to the lab. I'm more interested. What's going on with that? That's what I want to know about. I don't care about the evil dead idea.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:33

I think it is.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:34

Because they did nothing refreshing with it. No. Nothing.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:37

And that's the one area where I think, okay, yeah, I could definitely see the whole seven days to write it thing. Not that that really matters. Three days. Three days, whatever.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:46

Three minutes, actually, I heard.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:48

Um Wow. You know what though? That's a record. The amount of time that you write a script doesn't really matter. It's the detail you put into it and the work and effort. Like, my favorite thing about my favorite little factoid is always gonna be the fact that Terminator 2 was uh developed, written, and released within like seven or eight months.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:08

Shit really?

SPEAKER_01 1:07:08

Yeah. From they wrote it, they started developing it March 1990. It released July 1991.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:16

Oh wow. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:17

So like the amount of time you spend on a film isn't always the most important thing. And I think that they could have just spent a little more effort and time on the teens or the young adults because they clearly weren't teens side of the story. Just to make it so that we could get through those moments to get to the cooler stuff without thinking, oh, I've seen this before. This is a cliche.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:42

I 100% agree.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:43

But it's not bad. It's just, you know, like it doesn't match up to the um expectation and quality with the rest of the film. Gotcha. Um until the the stories intersect. But uh I thought it could have also been a little warrior.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:59

Um I agree.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:02

The music was cool, the monsters themselves were cool, that last third act was great. Segorna Weaver is definitely the kind of actress you get to um sell that story because if it was anybody else or any actress of a lesser caliber, I think you would have been like dangerous. I yeah, I think that would have been fun.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:20

Well then that's the thing. It's like I feel like you needed someone of that cali like I feel like almost if you didn't have Sigorina. Judy Denge, you would have or or someone of that colour. Helen Mirrin.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:29

Like no, I want Helen Mirin. She comes out all Helen Miron-ish in her platform shoes. Oh, I love her so much.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:36

Sorry, Travis.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:37

No, I was gonna say, I feel like if they didn't get someone of that caliber where it's kind of a reveal, I was like, they told I think they would have had to rewritten the scene. Yeah. Because when someone came, when someone if they came out, would have been like, who's this? Like, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:54

Wow.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:56

Do you not know who Ellen Maron? You don't, do you? Yes, I do. How dare you despair BB Newark?

unknown 1:09:02

I like it.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:03

Retired Extremely Dangerous.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:04

Red was so much fun.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:06

It was, it was really cool. She was in she was in five one sequel. I don't know. It was in five. She was in five minutes.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:14

So much fun. So much fun.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:16

Yes, it was. It had one sequel.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:18

It was a graphic novel, wasn't it? Yes, it was.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:20

She was in uh Helen Mirren was in The Fate of the Furious.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:25

You know what's weird though? If you go back to her early, like like in the early 60s, like when she was young, she was in all these sort of like really like gothic and like costume dramas, and she was really Helen Miren. I mean, she's always been really beautiful, but she's like, I mean, okay, go ahead. Enough about Helen Mirror. Yeah. Anyway. Yeah, whatever.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:48

Whatever. Uh so. Silence. Or what if we must have ordered it?

SPEAKER_06 1:09:57

I need to buy that mini gavel in case Travis is a little bit more.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:00

Or what if or what if Bull from Night Court came out?

SPEAKER_06 1:10:06

Alright, what's your score?

SPEAKER_04 1:10:07

Um It's actually what are you talking about?

SPEAKER_01 1:10:10

Because you were saying order and I was like bull.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:15

Oh god! It's quite different.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:18

Oh no, I thought the point of this the podcast where we just lose the two the two straight men.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:24

Listen. That's insane.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:26

Um I'm gonna give it the same score that Sam gave it. 3.8. Hell yeah. Creepy old men that take their role way too seriously at the gas station.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:38

I just like how they're like, what is he saying? Like he starts preaching.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:42

He did spit well though, didn't he? Yeah. That guy could spit a hawker out. Really nice.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:47

And he kind of had those nasty like cheeks.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:49

And then they didn't have his eyes. Was that like contacts? Did they put contact in his face?

SPEAKER_06 1:10:53

That was his real eye.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:55

His real eye.

unknown 1:10:56

No.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:57

Real eyes. I recognize that act.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:02

If you know you know. Travis. You know you know. Take us home. Oh, I'm I'm like Travis. Go.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:08

Um, I like this movie.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:10

But if you don't like this movie, and then he asks why we bring it up on the screen.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:13

Right, exactly. Um staring at me. No. Um I think this movie. I remember when I saw this movie the second time. Uh-huh. And I turned to one of my friends. No, and I turned. Shut up. So I remember seeing it for the second time, and I took I was with one of my friends who had never seen it before, and we used to go to movies together. And I just looked, I was like, what did you think? And I remember he just kind of turned and was like, that was really cool. And I think that's like a good way to explain the movie. I think it's a really cool, like, clever concept. I I think it's definitely a movie. Because you know, sometimes we watch stuff like it is definitely movie. Like Final Girl and like movies that are more self-aware. Yeah. Which can be kind of fun, but like I don't know. I just think this one really nails the execution, especially with the third act. And not too seriously. And I not too seriously, and I feel like it's more like I know Sam, you said you didn't enjoy you didn't watch a lot of scary movies, but I feel like, you know, even if someone has seen some like I feel like this movie's way more like accessible. Like as like I said, a lot of times, like with Dan, he'll say stuff will be like, oh well, you have to understand this or know this, and Dan's like, that's not an excuse for a story element or for a reference or for the movie not being great, you know. Dan and I, you and I argue about this all the time. Right. But I think like I said, I just I don't really have many complaints about it. I think when I actually watched it that year, I think it was probably one of my favorite movies I saw that year. And it's always I've always had a really big soft spot for it. Especially, like I said, I went in just not knowing what it was entirely and just being blown away by it. And I still really enjoy this movie a lot. I don't do this often.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:08

Oh no.

SPEAKER_07 1:13:09

Oh no.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:09

It's a perfect score.

SPEAKER_07 1:13:11

No.

unknown 1:13:11

I think.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:13

Yeah, no, I think this one I'll give the game. This one's a five for me. Nice. But it's I give it five uh bong mugs.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:23

Collapsible bong mug?

SPEAKER_07 1:13:25

The collapsible bong mug was cool. Did you know I actually collapsed it? It doesn't make any sense. Because a mug a bong does not work that way.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:32

I actually, for a while, I was trying to find one online.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:35

I'm telling you, stoner.

SPEAKER_07 1:13:36

I was gonna say they've been just a little more successful, you could have gotten one.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:40

Yeah. At Spencer's.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:42

No, like at every universe. Now I will get one half off. Alright, is that it?

SPEAKER_04 1:13:48

That's it. Cool. Great score. Anyway. And great item. Now Dan's gonna give it a 3.2.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:54

Oh, let's not guess what he's gonna give it. I say I say three.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:58

I say 2.7.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:59

Okay. And you say 3.2?

SPEAKER_04 1:14:01

I say like yeah, like a 3.4.

SPEAKER_06 1:14:04

Okay.

SPEAKER_07 1:14:05

4, 3, 2, 7. I actually agree with I think everything Frank said. So I don't need to really repeat. I think he absolutely nailed my feelings about this movie 100%. I did love the third act. Um if a third act had not delivered, I would have a way different opinion about this movie. Um not in terms of the story, because I did think that was kind of interesting. It was a really cool kind of take. Like, how do we make a horror movie like come with like a really cool original take on a horror movie? Exactly. And it was a really cool original take on a horror movie. So I I think where it where it fails, as Frank said, is in the storytelling of the actual horror movie. Um the other the the the story about the people running, or you know, uh the lab, or whatever we call it, um, was way more interesting. Um the third act is great. It it just pays, it just goes, it blows up and pays. Um so uh I really enjoyed it. Uh my score is probably not gonna reflect it as much, but I'm gonna you're you're all very on it. You're you Frank, you're a little too low, but you're you're all really on it. Wow, okay. I'm gonna give it a 3.1. Nice.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:27

I was almost on it.

SPEAKER_07 1:15:28

Two-way mirrors out of five. Love that. That two-way mirror scene, actually. I actually kind of liked that scene. Yeah. And actually, I I liked the whole play. I I that was actually a moment where you kind of got a little something. You know, I I'll take this room. Okay. I mean, like where you kind of went, okay, um, we're developing something here.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:47

It's just and then that was it. Yeah. It didn't they're like, our work is done. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:15:54

That's how we deepen our characters. And but yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:56

And that comes back at bad times at the Ohio.

SPEAKER_07 1:16:01

I would oh the same exact mirrors. Bad times is such a good movie. The exact line. So well done. I'm not sure. The acting, the storyline is so well done.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:09

I only saw it the one time in theaters.

SPEAKER_07 1:16:11

I saw it in the theater, and then when it was streamed, I Joni and I watched it together. I said, Joni, you gotta see this movie. You're gonna really like it. Um it's very Quentin Tarantino-esque-esque. Yeah, but but it does have its own, it does have its own, its own personality. But no, it's such a good movie. Um yeah, no, I and here's the other thing. I would actually recommend this movie. If somebody recommended to Joni, Nathan, no, I don't think that's a bit much for Joni. But I did reach out to Nathan and said, Have you ever seen this movie? He said, No, I've never heard of it. It was Nathan. And I said, My son.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:44

I don't think it was very well marketed.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:46

I wouldn't I was kind of dumped because it was it, like I said, it was a title. Yeah, it was a title that almost didn't get released because it distributor it got tied up with weird riots.

SPEAKER_07 1:16:58

So I will I I would recommend it to him. I would recommend it to anybody. For sure. Yeah.

unknown 1:17:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:17:05

I think it's do it now. I think it's totally worth seeing if you like this genre. Because it's a really cool take on this genre.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:13

And now we're gonna have a bonus episode where it's Nathan and Brian talking about the movie. Yeah, Nathan and Brian.

SPEAKER_07 1:17:19

Bonus tracks.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:20

Watching Sad.

SPEAKER_07 1:17:21

Well, this has been fun.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:22

This is actually a really fun episode. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:17:24

No, no, I and I said uh Travis and I talked earlier today, and I said to him, I think this is gonna be a fun podcast. But there's one thing you didn't like. It's a good podcast movie. What?

SPEAKER_04 1:17:32

Yeah. Yeah. You did not like the music.

SPEAKER_07 1:17:34

I just I found the music very self-aware. It was like, oh, let's just put all these like song, you know, it just felt very like the over-the-top orchestral score.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:17:46

But honestly, the movie I saw today, I kind of did that too.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:50

What did you watch today? One battle?

SPEAKER_07 1:17:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:52

Alright, you didn't like the one battle?

SPEAKER_07 1:17:53

You didn't like the piano? Did you just very self-aware? Wow. Oh, I'm gonna put this famous song here and this famous song here. I don't know. I'm kind of like. A lot of movies do that. You know what I like to do? It's like Vietnam War movies. They all do. Unfortunate Sun. There's something happening in here.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:09

Unfortunate son. The the car chase scene in one battle and no music. That was great. That was so great. Not the end, but the one where um they sorry Frank, where they robbed the bank.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:21

Wow. Oh yeah, spoilers.

SPEAKER_07 1:18:25

That was a great scene. That was a great scene. No, it's a I I like the song. All the songs. I love all those songs. It's just I'm so that those it always takes me out of the moment when you put these songs in there. They start like singing the song.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:38

The one that took me out of the ring for like half a second. Love that movie. But then I fell back into it because that song had become a meme for a long time was when it plays the Steely Dan song, Dirty Work.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:49

How does it go? I honestly don't know how that goes. Dirty Work.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:53

I don't Dirty Work. I'll play it afterwards because not how it goes. We can't play it on here, so I'll play it afterwards. Cool. Okay. All right.

SPEAKER_07 1:19:00

This is fun. Sam, next week, what are we doing?

SPEAKER_06 1:19:02

So Cabin in the Woods was our last of this month, which our last month theme, which was Strangers Go to Haunted House. Okay. And then the next theme in November, we are The Strangers do remakes.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:19

No, no.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:20

What are we name of anything a thing? No, because these are the remakes of movies we've covered. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:19:26

Oh. What are we doing?

SPEAKER_06 1:19:28

Halloween. Oh, no. The Rob Zombie edition. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:33

No, no.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:34

Okay. Okay.

SPEAKER_07 1:19:35

I mean, yeah, I don't think I think it's a good one.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:40

And I will say, I feel like you and I will align. I've never seen it. I don't think us two are the only ones that have been.

SPEAKER_07 1:19:45

I've never heard a good thing about a Rob Zombie movie.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:48

Well, there are one, but I don't think you'll like them.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:50

Get ready for if you if you you've seen the original Halloween. Oh yeah, I loved it. Now get ready for White Trash Halloween. White Trash Halloween. Trailer Trash Halloween.

SPEAKER_07 1:19:59

Alright.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:59

I have very strong opinions about this movie.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:02

And we might or might have a guest. We may or may not have a guest. Yeah, I just need to confirm.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:06

You'll see.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:07

I'll tell you who it is active. Surprise guest? No, you've we he ha he's been on the show. Well, I mean it's a surprise to you right now. Yeah. But after this podcast, it won't be a surprise anymore, because I will tell you. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:20:17

So Okay, cool. Yeah, so that was covering Rob Zombies Halloween. What year does it mean? 2007. Yeah. Alright, rock on, man.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:26

And it is on the bleep, right? It's on it's on food. Rock on Garth.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:29

I think it's on I think it's. Rock on Garth? Party on.

SPEAKER_07 1:20:32

Party on Garth. And what's back?

SPEAKER_04 1:20:35

Wow. Party on.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:37

Didn't they say name? Didn't say Party on Wayne? Party on Wayne.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:41

Why are you Man, this you can do it? You're gonna spew. Spew it as well.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:47

He's not funny.

SPEAKER_07 1:20:49

Well, this has been great. So much fun. Next week, Halloween, Rob Zombie. Until then, please like us, share us, subscribe to us. What else, Frank?

SPEAKER_01 1:21:01

Review, uh, follow us on Instagram. Thumbs up, TikTok, thumbs up, Bell, uh, YouTube, all the things.

SPEAKER_07 1:21:08

Is it still TikTok? Is it not X?

SPEAKER_01 1:21:10

That's you're thinking of Twitter. Yeah. Oh. Which we we do not have. And we might we might not have a TikTok soon.

SPEAKER_06 1:21:18

And if not an Instagram reel, it's all there. We're all on all five. We'll be out there. Facebook, yeah, Instagram.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:24

We don't have a Facebook.

SPEAKER_07 1:21:25

Well, we do mind. We'll be on mine because all my Instagram goes to Facebook as well. Okay. Yeah, baby. I get what you mean. So I'll see you later. So until next time, I'm Dan. Travis.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:40

Sam. I I'm Frank again.

SPEAKER_07 1:21:44

And this was an episode of Strangers in the Alps, a movie podcast, and we are out.