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S03E22 - Halloween 2007

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Halloween is comin' early this year for the Strangers! This episode, they tackle the not-at-all controversial and universally loved Rob Zombie remake of 1978 horror classic "Halloween" starring Malcolm McDowell, Sheri Moon Zombie, Tyler Mane, Scout Taylor-Compton, Brad Dourif and Danielle Harris.

"Halloween" is available to stream on Tubi!

Nearly two decades after being committed to a mental institution for killing his stepfather and older sister, Michael Myers breaks out, intent on returning to the town of Haddonfield, Ill.

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SPEAKER_05

And welcome to another episode of Strangers in the Alps, a movie podcast, where every week we discuss movies. And now we're doing themes. And our theme right now is This month we're doing remakes.

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But what makes it special is that it's not just any remakes, it's remakes of movies we've seen previously. So we highly encourage everybody to listen to our other ones. To our previous podcast.

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We never did the original of the city. We never did the original of this. As far as they know, yes, we did. We didn't do the original of this one. We did.

SPEAKER_01

But then, however, with this one, we want to talk about um the remakes and the other ones we'd seen and then not the audience in suspense.

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My name is Dan.

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My name is Travis. Sam. My name is Frank, and I was good to you, audience.

SPEAKER_04

I'm audience, I was good to you. I was good to you.

SPEAKER_05

Travis, I know there's no way that you actually are ready to read the back of the VHS.

SPEAKER_04

No. Well, can you I don't need to. I can just describe the whole movie. This okay, go for it. Sha for shot. In three sentences, please. Oh. Rob Zombie remakes Halloween. White trash.

SPEAKER_05

There we go. So the movie we're covering today is uh Rob Zombie's Halloween, a remake of the original Halloween. Which was what year? 88?

SPEAKER_04

No, no. No, earlier, 84. 78. 78. Oh, 78.

SPEAKER_05

Oh my gosh. Oh, you're right. It was 78. Okay.

SPEAKER_01

And this one was 2007.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, Dan. You don't remember your 40s? Wow. So, wow. I guess, I guess we should start with pre-thought.

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Are you forgetting again where you were on her?

SPEAKER_05

Do we have enough? Do we need to do a bigger stroke on the plot? Are we just good because it is a remake of the original? I'll go with that. Enough people know the original that they know basically. I mean, there are differences, obviously. Yeah, yeah. That can be part of our discussion. Well, there's a big difference, but it's still the original Halloween.

SPEAKER_01

We can make that part of our discussion. We don't need to make it. Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_05

So then let's go ahead. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_04

I was gonna say, no, I we'll say it after the pre-thoughts.

SPEAKER_05

Let's do pre-thoughts. I will start. I had heard of this movie, surprisingly. Um, I used to listen to a morning show called Mark and Brian. They were on KLOS from 6 a.m. to 9 a.m. or 6 to 10. And they would have Rob Zombie on.

SPEAKER_01

He was awake early.

SPEAKER_05

He was he was one of their guests. He was a very glib, very entertaining, really good interview. You know, very, very entertaining, fun guy. But so I remember him talking about the making of this movie. The remake. And all everybody, you know, and of course Mark and Brian were very supportive and excited about it. But then I remember hearing Effort Open that it was not considered to be very good. Now I wouldn't have gone to it anyway. I did see the original Halloween, which I really, really liked. But I would have never gone to this, but uh and then I heard it wasn't good, so anyway. That's my pre-thought. That's as far as I got with it. Until you guys made me watch it. Go ahead, Travis. I You probably saw in the theater. You're like 16 when it came out.

SPEAKER_04

No, you want to know something crazy? Oh. I do. Make it really crazy. No, I hadn't seen it until like we did this podcast.

SPEAKER_05

You're serious? I've never seen it. But you never saw it? No, never saw it. So what was your pre- then give me let's roll back to 2007. What what why didn't you go see it? I'm shocked.

SPEAKER_04

I I don't know. That's the thing. I've I was in 10th grade. Okay. I was in 10th grade when it came out, and I had actually visited the set of this movie.

SPEAKER_05

Where?

SPEAKER_04

Uh North Hills. Okay. Um, because uh someone I knew, friend's dad was working on the film, so he took us to the set of the movie. Oh nice and no, it was fun, it was a lot of fun. Um the hospital that this movie was filmed in was actually an abandoned mental hospital. So a lot of the stuff, the stuff was just left out, like everyone left. So my friends and I decided, oh, let's go like urban explore it in the sections they weren't filming in.

SPEAKER_02

Nice.

SPEAKER_04

So we were going in, walking, and this is the first time I thought this was just in movies, where we had a flashlight and we'd shine it across and you couldn't see the end of the hallway. And we decided, let's split up. So we split up, we were walking, we all got lost.

SPEAKER_05

Sounds like the movie.

SPEAKER_04

And then we w and then it was funny because I ended up just being like, you know what, I'm just gonna go to the roof. So I went to the roof, we were going, and my friends, we all met up there, and then we opened the door to leave, and right when we opened it, my friend's dad jumped out and scared all of us.

SPEAKER_01

How is this the pre-thoughts?

SPEAKER_04

My pre-thoughts were even though all this aside. No, all this aside scarier than probably what you saw in the movie. My thing is I remember that I just you know me, I'll watch sequels to anything. I'll watch it.

SPEAKER_05

This is what shocks me because Halloween is such a huge movie. It's just And you probably saw all the sequels up until then.

SPEAKER_04

I've seen every Halloween movie except you have this one and the I just never had an interest. Okay.

SPEAKER_05

Um was this his first?

SPEAKER_04

No, his first one was uh House of a Thousand Corpses from like 2001 or two. Okay. He had done a few before this. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03

And then he did Devil's Rejects in 2005, I think. Yeah. That was not very good.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

I heard that's the best movie.

SPEAKER_01

I I feel like a thousand corpse. Anyway.

SPEAKER_04

Um two very kind of different movies.

SPEAKER_05

This was his third, this was 2007. So Sam, what are your pre-thoughts? When did you see it originally? Like yesterday. Well, last week and then Wow, so this is your first viewing.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. I had Frank this will be, hold on. This will be I had a journey with this movie, if I may go on a tangent.

SPEAKER_05

Please, please.

SPEAKER_01

So last week, right, watched it, I actually forgot about it that we were doing a podcast. Tuesday, watched it, and then things got cancelled. So I was like, great, I turned it off, went to bed, and then I watched it. I tried watching on Sunday, fell asleep. Tried watching it yesterday, fell asleep. And then today, I was like, no, I have to watch this, like I have to. And then I turned on beep and it just wouldn't work. And I was like, thank god.

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It's a sign.

SPEAKER_01

And I was like, maybe it'd be really fun if I just go to the podcast and be like, hey, I only saw an hour and nine minutes of this, tell me the rest. Oh. But then that didn't happen. I finished it. Okay. Um, but my pre-thought story was that I heard about this and I kept forgetting about it, and then here we are. Okay.

SPEAKER_05

Frank, you've seen it, I'm sure, 15 times.

SPEAKER_03

Seen it tw two or three times.

SPEAKER_05

Sit down, watch, or background doing other stuff. I know you.

SPEAKER_03

Sit down and watch what the first time I saw it was to like get it over with. Band-aid. Because I I knew that it had a reputation I didn't see it in theaters. And the second time I was like, you know what? Maybe I misjudged it. Let me see. And then the third time was for this podcast.

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Okay.

SPEAKER_03

So nobody has a real deep dive on this movie.

SPEAKER_05

Meaning, like, have seen it so much that there's a lot of things. Dan, I think so too.

SPEAKER_04

Oh, sorry.

SPEAKER_05

No, that's it.

SPEAKER_04

I think it's reputation too, because for me, I think it kind of came out. I was 16, so I didn't see it in theaters. And I don't think at the same time I also had much interest. But I think, like I said, I had heard it was kind of like brutal, and because of that, I just kind of avoided it and then I heard everyone said, Oh, the sequel was awful. So I was like, Why do I even want to watch the first one? And then I think with them He did Halloween too as well, right? Yes, and then I think and then I think with the David Gordon Green, those ones from like 2018 and on, I was just like, Well, if this is just completely like non-canon anymore and anything, like, just why does it matter? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

What was the reputation? That it was gory?

SPEAKER_04

That it was just kind of brutal and just kind of like nothing, yeah. And and we discussed why it's brutal though. Well, and I think one of the main reasons too was because people had talked about it, it was more like, oh, well, we're gonna show Michael Myers in his childhood and show him why he is the way and I was just kind of like the origin story, the origin story, and I'm just like, I guess, I don't need to see that. Like, I I like how in the original movie it's a two-minute scene, the fur the POV shot with him walking up, putting the mask on, it explains everything.

SPEAKER_05

I don't need to know the less you know about his background, the scarier he is. It's like strangers, whatever that movie is, where they just show up to the house and why why are you killing us because you answered the door? That's that's way scarier than oh, I got a whole reason why. I don't care.

SPEAKER_04

And and and that's the thing. Now, seeing this one, like I paused it after he gets arrested. Michael gets arrested, and that whole thing is about 30 minutes. Oh god. It takes 30 minutes. Um, but I think even with the explanations, it's just kind of like Michael had a bad childhood. That's why it's evil. It's like okay. And then Loomis writes the book, is like, this boy is the embodiment of evil, his the antichrist. I'm like, why? We don't see much. I mean, I'm not trying to discount, like, yeah, he like killed his family. Like, that's bad, that's evil. But I'm like, in what uh is there something they're not showing us?

SPEAKER_05

Right?

SPEAKER_04

But I think it's because Dan, do you know the backstory behind?

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

But do you know the original like pitch for this whole movie?

SPEAKER_05

This this particular version was like.

SPEAKER_04

Okay, so what Rob Zombie wanted to do was he always wanted to do two films, Halloween and Halloween 2. But the first film was supposed the ending was supposed to be him escaping the hospital. So Lori Strode, the whole first movie would would actually be the second movie. Okay. So that's why I feel like maybe stuff got cut because I think my main thing with the difference the differences with the movies, even the way they're structured, was I feel like the second once we are introduced to Lori and her friends, and we get into the remake of Halloween, right? It's the most rushed movie I've ever seen in my life.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, you were right that it was like it goes by fast.

SPEAKER_04

Well, it's like it's to me to me, to me, it's sped up, and I'm like, okay, cool. And and then I don't blame I almost can't blame the acting for why I didn't like it because I'm like, well, I also don't know any of these characters besides them just kind of talking a bit and their conversations, but other than that, I'm like, I don't know who any of you are.

SPEAKER_05

Well, acting I don't think was the reason why this movie has issues. I want to tell a quick story whenever about the versions that I saw and didn't know. So I originally was trying to get it, I I couldn't get it to stream on on beep, but I was so I said, Well, I gotta watch it. This is when I thought, you know, what we're gonna be talking about tomorrow. Three weeks ago. So I got on YouTube and s and I could f and I found it and I started watching it. And I got about maybe 15, 20 minutes into it, and I looked up in the corner of the YouTube and it said, fan edit. Oh, oh, this is not actually the direct this is not a studio release, this is a fans edit. So I looked at the length and it was like 20 minutes shorter than the actual length of the movie. So I said, Well, I can't watch this. So I dumped it and I went back and I, okay, okay, I found it on beep, and I I just start watching it. Well, the fan edit literally starts when he's sitting out in front of the house with his mask and he goes in and kills his family. And that that's where the movie starts. So all that stuff that leads up to that moment, gone. Not in it. It starts there. Now, having watched the movie, I was talking to Frank the other day, and he actually said, Oh yeah, you you actually watched the what version did I watch?

SPEAKER_01

Unrated.

SPEAKER_05

The unrated? Yeah, I saw the unrated version.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, which is 20 minutes longer than the version I watched. It's about 15 minutes longer.

SPEAKER_05

I I don't know. I mean, I I I'm I'm sure you're right, but I don't know what I saw that you didn't see.

SPEAKER_04

I can tell you one big scene that's cut. Um, so there's a scene you I haven't seen it, I just know about it, so you're gonna have to explain in the not in a detailed. It's a very important scene, Den. It's very important to the plot. It's it's a scene like why they cut it. I guess when his escaping the hospital, I guess there's like a rape scene. Yes. That's not in the theatrical version, like that's cut entirely. I remember that. So I don't think.

SPEAKER_05

So how does he escape then? Well, he Because that he escapes in that scene.

SPEAKER_04

Well, how he escapes is they're they take him into the double door and he just kind of slides out, stabs the person.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, I remember that. Okay. Right, okay, I remember.

SPEAKER_05

Oh, she was a patient. Wait a minute, she was a patient, and you saw that scene? Yeah, you saw the same version I saw. Yeah. You saw the when we when we realized that you watched the unrated. Were those two goofball first of all, you guys are not hired in any institution in America. So I don't even know who you fing are. As soon as that kind of crap happens, I go, What am I watching? Okay, so let's go there. Then what they were doing didn't make any sense. Like you want to rape the girl. Oh no, you want him to what what are we doing here? Right. It was just a whack. And then of course, you're sitting there, like most of the movie, pardon me. You're sitting there going, all we're doing is structuring scenes for Michael Myers to do something gruesome. That's all we're doing. Every especially after we got into it. Every scene is just a set uh a circumstance to have a killing. That's all we're I know I'm jumping really fast, but that is really what the movie It's like that from the get-go, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

From the young Michael Myers all the way through. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

So who which was it the two guys that were in like the break room?

SPEAKER_05

I don't remember the break room.

SPEAKER_04

No, it's the part where they're there and they're like, oh, we gotta transport this prisoner, and they're like, oh yeah, I got it.

SPEAKER_05

I don't know, they get the girl out of the cell and say, Oh, we're gonna take her in there. Like I said, this character. This is disgusting.

SPEAKER_04

This girl or character is not even in the cut that I watched. That's why I'm like, I don't know when this happened. You never need to see it. Exactly. No, I don't. I don't. That's why I was like, hey, don't, but I didn't know it was the version we owned. That's why I said, oh, like, guys, do not watch the unrated version. There's it's 20 minutes longer. There's a big scene that's not needed.

SPEAKER_01

You know what's funny? He said that, and then he won't tell us what was the unrated thing. If I if you would have told us, I would have been like, oh yeah, I'm not gonna watch that. Be like, I'll just tell you on the podcast day. So you made me sit there and watch it.

SPEAKER_04

I thought you had already seen it. That's why. No, you told us last week. I thought you had already seen it.

SPEAKER_03

No, I'd already seen it by proxy.

SPEAKER_05

I was already deep past that movie before when I found out Frank that I watched the movie.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. But aren't you glad that you got all that context? All that really important context.

SPEAKER_05

That explained Let me get to my notes here.

SPEAKER_01

I remember do I remember seeing the opening scene first or once because you guys had shown it to me because you guys were making fun of it or something. Like, oh, you have to see the opening scene.

SPEAKER_05

Oh, the the white trashness of it all? You mean with the drunken stepfather and the and the trashy daughter and the trashy stripper mom? That's Rob's Rob Zombie's wife, Sherry Moon. I actually I mean, that does not make a Michael Myers. Those circumstances do not a Michael Myers make. And I remember stupid.

SPEAKER_01

When they played it, I was like, But you don't understand.

SPEAKER_03

His his childhood was fucked up. That's what I'm Go ahead, Sam. Sorry.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, but I remember watching it and being like, oh, this is like this is the embodiment of like Rob Zombie's work. It's just trailer trash.

SPEAKER_04

It's trailer trash? It's trailer trash. People yell, people yelling at each other. It's just so people yelling at each other, using slurs.

SPEAKER_01

Like, I'm like, why do I and then just like the really oversaturated whatever sepia. I don't know. And yet I still like his music.

SPEAKER_05

Well, I don't know it well, but I mean that's I did know that's where he came from. Yeah. You know the song Dragula, probably. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I I I don't know it well. I mean, I know I've heard I just want to say at the point we're talking about right now, that whole opening, I actually made a note. Dan's the Dan meter is low. Very low. I mean, I'm watching this going, crap. This is the first 15 minutes of the movie. Oh man. Yeah. And it's two hours live. I am not up for this.

SPEAKER_04

You know, it's I it I it's coming back to me. You wouldn't believe that they shot this whole movie in a week ago. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

What? Let's come back to me.

SPEAKER_04

I think I had seen some of that. Yeah, when we did that's why, from this opening, that's why I wouldn't watch the movie.

SPEAKER_05

Um why was why was the daughter fingering a bagel? Um, because it's edgy, Dan.

SPEAKER_01

Don't enticed the stepdad, I think.

SPEAKER_05

Okay. I just needed to ask.

SPEAKER_01

You know?

SPEAKER_05

I found myself doing a lot of staring at this movie. Uh-huh. And I would see things happen.

SPEAKER_03

I would just stare and I'd go, oh my god. You don't remember the scene in the original when Jimmy Lee Curtis fingers a bagel? I did not remember that. No. Oh.

SPEAKER_05

She fingered a pumpkin. Or was that a donut hole that she was?

SPEAKER_03

No, no, no. I'm thinking of her performance in Everything Everywhere All at Once. Go to an Oscar for it. With her big wiener, with her big hot dog fingers.

SPEAKER_01

Her big wiener.

SPEAKER_05

And the bagel of nothing. There were a lot. And I probably mm perhaps know this more than you guys do, but there were a lot of semi-celebrity people all through the stuff. Yeah, I can I can name them. I can name them. Okay. D.

SPEAKER_04

Wallace was the mom in the what famous movie?

SPEAKER_05

You got it.

SPEAKER_04

And then you had um you also had the the trucker, the one that that that owns the truck that Michael Myers kills in the bathroom.

SPEAKER_05

And he was in what?

SPEAKER_04

He was in original Dawn of the Dead. Ken Forey. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03

I was thinking of the other guy. Wait, wait, wait, wait. He's the guy that's got shit on his pants because he didn't finish shitting. That's right. And put the So the whole movie, Michael Myers is walking around killing people with shit in his pants. Exactly right. Which is disgusting. Smelling like a freaking pants. Because he was on the shitter and he wasn't done. He wasn't done, man.

SPEAKER_05

He pulled his knife out. He wasn't done, and then Michael Myers just beat the crowd on the shit.

SPEAKER_03

He put it all back on to like confront Michael.

SPEAKER_04

He had his taco special, remember? It's like I just had a taco special. And then you had the well, you know who the sheriff? The sheriff is Brad Doris. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_05

Who was in what?

SPEAKER_04

Well, I know him from Chucky. He plays in Child's Play.

SPEAKER_05

He was actually in the uh Academy Award-winning uh One Floor of the Kook. That's what I was gonna say in the world. Lord of the Rings 20 ended up in the show. Danny Trejos was in this movie.

SPEAKER_04

Danny Trejos. Treyos.

SPEAKER_05

World famous toilet seller. Yeah. He was in Taco Coffee. He played the nice janitor guy. He was good to you, Danny. But the one that really blew my mind is Mickey Dolans of the Monkeys. Yeah. He was in one of the gun shop. He was the gun shop owner. And that just blew my mind. I went, oh my god, that's one of the monkeys.

SPEAKER_04

And then his he wasn't famous then, but you know who Tommy Doyle was, right? You told me, but I forgot. No, I didn't tell you about it. Tommy Doyle, which one was he? The kid, the kid in the movie. He was uh in Superman. He was Jimmy Olson Olson in Superman. When this is the most recent one? Yes. Oh that's cool. Yeah, and he was the guy, Jimmy Olson and Superman. He's also the in Book Smart Skylark. That's him. Good for him.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah. And of course. Malcolm McDowell.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05

And we could give at least a five-minute conversation. We have to give him five minutes.

SPEAKER_04

One more frame.

SPEAKER_05

He's in a different campy movie, but he's so good. He walked on the set of the wrong movie. I I firmly believe he. He said, I'm hungry.

SPEAKER_04

Apparently. What do we have?

SPEAKER_05

When's this farce getting started?

SPEAKER_04

I'm just here for the orange juice.

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God.

SPEAKER_04

He well, I mean, you two haven't seen it, but we also had an alumni from previous Halloween movie. Oh yes. Is um Jamie. Yeah, the friend. She was in um she was in Halloween four. She was the little girl. Oh, I have no idea. You wouldn't know that.

SPEAKER_01

I didn't know.

SPEAKER_04

Daniel Harris.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, Daniel Harris. I think we covered all the celebrities, though, right?

SPEAKER_04

There was a lot of alumni, because there's also Sid Haig was in it. Oh, I'm not telling solemni.

SPEAKER_05

I was alumni. That's a good word. Captain Spawnman.

SPEAKER_04

I thought that solemni. What was he? He was the coroner, the guy. Oh, who did this shit? Like with like the grave when it's dug up and there's like the squirrel thing.

SPEAKER_01

I might have been asleep at that point.

SPEAKER_05

Adrian Barbo was asleep. No, I I have to tell you, I I I have so much respect for you. If you could fall asleep in that minute, I was just staring at the end. I never fell asleep, though. I wish I would have.

SPEAKER_04

Your favorite actor was actually. The movie too. Clint Howard. And Clint Howard.

SPEAKER_05

I forgot to write that just. Ron Howard's random.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, okay. What was he?

SPEAKER_05

He's always in Ron Howard movies.

SPEAKER_01

Well, and then I I What was he in the movie?

SPEAKER_05

He was just one scene. He was um Forgive me, Frank.

SPEAKER_04

Frank, forgive me because I don't know. You're forgiven. Udo Kidir? Like, what's it what's Udo Kier? Yeah, he's in the movie too. Yes, he is. But apparently in the theatrical version that I saw, he's only in like one shot, but he has a couple scenes in the unrated version. Oh, then we must have seen him. And Bill Mosley, Chop Top from Texas Chainsaw Massacre, is one of the security guards.

SPEAKER_00

Okay.

SPEAKER_04

From the original Texas? From the original Texas. I think I gotta watch this movie all over here. So Rob Zombie dipped into the slasher world and brought all these guys for his own fun and amusement. Not exactly because a lot of these people in the movie are like Rob Zombie alumni. Like they were also in Devil's Rejects. Some of I don't know, like he just has a lot of people. Well that's what he's trying to do. All it he wants to just create the movies that he would see at like a drive-in in like the 70s.

SPEAKER_01

You would not be seeing this in the 70s.

SPEAKER_05

The thing that's rated X interesting to me about and since we're doing sequels as our theme this month.

SPEAKER_04

Remakes.

SPEAKER_05

Yes. Remakes, sorry. The thing that's interesting to me, and I was talking, I think, to Travis about this, there's like a handful of movies. That look, and everything's fair game. So I'm not saying you can't make a remake, but there are a handful of movies that you just should not remake. Because you what are you doing? Yeah. The original Halloween. Regardless of being one of the top, I would put top 5'10 maybe of slash of the genre ever made, is that you just don't touch it. Because what are you doing? Because what are you gonna do? And how and you learned absolutely nothing from John Carpenter in this remake you made. Nothing. Because he did not have all this blood, he did not have all this graphic violence, he scared the crap out of you. It's a scary frickin' movie, but it's not it's not gruesome. No, it's just at the time it was thought to be scary.

SPEAKER_04

So much so that John Carpenter, who directed Halloween 2, turned it down so many times. He didn't want to do it. He didn't want to apparently he said he only got through the movie because he wrote it drunk. But it was to the point too where it was the sequel? Yeah, the original Halloween, like you said, then had zero blood in it, was not I mean, it's credited as being a slasher, but you're not seeing a lot of people getting gutted. No. And and apparently what they wanted was so after between Halloween and Halloween 2, a movie comes out called Friday the 13th.

SPEAKER_03

You've never heard of it.

SPEAKER_04

And um, so what happened was that, you know, like you said, slasher, people getting hacked, so the studio then wanted Halloween 2 to be similar to that. Right. So if you ever watch Halloween 2, it's a straight up slasher. Right. It's brutal, it's a lot different. But I agree with Dan. It's like I like it, but I I agree where it's But we're talking about Halloween, the original. No, if you touch, and I agree, if you touch Halloween, what are you gonna do differently? Like, I'm not totally against remakes. Like, I feel like there are some you can still touch, like Kate. So there are movies you can remake. Take a lesser-known franchise, like, I don't know, if you want to do like maybe Black Christmas, prom night. Sure.

SPEAKER_05

There's a bunch of movies you could probably even make better than the original. Christmas Evil. But it's it's like it's like Psycho. They did do a remake, and what a ridiculous disaster that was. Well, they realize you can't do anything to it. In the original film, it's like you're not gonna make it any better. It's not possible. So just leave it alone. The Wizard of Oz, not a slasher movie. You're not gonna make it better. So just leave it alone. And there's some movies, just you just leave them alone and let them exist in their classic world and not there's there's one way you can remake Wizard of Oz, though, and it's already been done.

SPEAKER_04

Call it Wicked? No, it's called You Just Play Dark Side of the Moon while while Wizard of Oz is playing. There you go.

SPEAKER_05

I actually tried that once. I got about halfway through it. It does work. It actually does match up. I just got bored.

SPEAKER_04

Well, that's the thing. But it's I'm not saying it's something different. You know, it's like, oh, there's a cool experience.

SPEAKER_03

You can try watching it with your eyes closed. That's different. There you go. Then you don't have to turn the movie on. Just listen to the dark side.

SPEAKER_04

I I um okay. So what were we saying? Um I need to look at my notes. I didn't even write notes. Well, we're we're still kind of talking about actors, right? So many loves.

SPEAKER_05

You fell asleep and you didn't make it. I love that.

SPEAKER_04

I wish I would have done both. What did we think, though, of the use of the theme in the original versus this one? The music theme? Yes. Oh, the theme song? Yeah. Hello.

SPEAKER_05

This was just hammering you over the head.

SPEAKER_04

Well, I think to me, like I said, I think this was used more sometimes as like a like a little nudge. Like it's the scene where I feel like it's the little things building up where like I think at one point he's just walking in the hallway. It's like, it's the Halloween theme because it's gonna be Michael Myers. I'm like, okay, like it's it's not but it would be like Go ahead, finish now. But I'm just saying, is like I I feel like the first film was a little more subtle with it, and you had a lot more your like your music cues that tied with the score, and there was not any of that in this one.

SPEAKER_05

It would to me, it would be like if you made a Mission Impossible movie, you know how they always have like they had the whole cold opening, which usually lasts like 15 minutes, and then it goes right to the It's always with the reveal.

SPEAKER_03

But it's with the reveal, but it then it doesn't play for the rest of the movie.

SPEAKER_05

Yes, like every time they got to a climax, they would start again. And you can't do that.

SPEAKER_04

It'd almost be like if they were playing the theme over like the studio logos as the film's coming in. It's like okay, like that's the thing.

SPEAKER_05

It was very self-conscious. Every time the theme of Halloween came up is very quick.

SPEAKER_03

Because Mission Impossible is very like remember, remember that ultimately as the theme, baby.

SPEAKER_04

Because yeah, no, I I agree. I agree. That's but a lot of it too, I mean, I don't know. I don't maybe I just wasn't paying attention enough. Did what did the theme sound different in this movie?

SPEAKER_05

It just sounded more like cross way more produced. Okay, okay, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Like bigger and because I I will say though, the one thing I did I'm I'm interested, Dan, in your fan edit that you watched. Because I actually didn't know. I didn't get that far into the I think it probably would have made it a cool opening was where you watched it where he walked out. Because I did I kind of liked the scene where he's waiting outside and it kind of goes sepia and it's showing like the court story, and it's kind of like showing footage uh and like like news, core. I actually kind of like that. I was like, that actually probably would have made for a good opening of a remake. Yes. Because it's like, you know, it's something from them, but we're seeing it differently. It's like, hey, like it it it almost kind of is like the Superman movie that just came out, where the beginning is like you get your text and then Superman crashes. It's like we don't need to see that origin, it's he just killed everyone. Let's go.

SPEAKER_05

Right. So you do that, he gets arrested, and now we need to jump ahead to adulthood. We don't need all that crap of him being a kid and being examined by awful Malcolm McDowell.

SPEAKER_04

Well, my point is.

SPEAKER_05

I mean, straight up, and I have so much respect for his career, his early career. He's a really fine actor, but man, he was male in that one in.

SPEAKER_04

Well, uh apparently I don't know, I don't know how I don't know how true this is, but apparently Malcolm McDowell ruined a lot of takes in this movie because he was just making people laugh. Like purposely.

SPEAKER_01

So I think that'd take a joke somewhere.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, but he's a really fun character in two. He was just collecting a check. Yeah, so like I don't I I don't imagine we're covering it on the podcast because reasons. But in a two is is not a remake of of so starts off looking like it's a remake of two in the hospital, but then they they're like, actually, it's just a dream, and then the rest of the movie it's a completely original story. Uh, and in it, um, Loomis comes back as like a celebrity writer who's like super obsessed with himself. Oh gosh, and like a total dick. And um, it's actually a much more interesting like character arc as far as like care like he and Lori are completely different characters.

SPEAKER_04

Well, we didn't get much of a character of Lori in this first movie. You you don't get the same Lori in the sequel either.

SPEAKER_05

No, you got plenty of a dick too in this sequel. You got boob baby. You got boobs everywhere you turn. You got boobs. Hey, hang on, boob, murder, boob, murder.

SPEAKER_04

I remember, no, I remember. That's a clip. We're clipping that one. I remember when Sam's Oh, there's some boobs.

SPEAKER_05

Okay, now when some of it must die.

SPEAKER_04

When the movie wasn't working for Sam, I texted Sam. I was like, Sam, what part are you on? She's like, I think there's like a sex scene. I was like, that's half the movie. Giving some context.

SPEAKER_01

I was like my other friend, and he's like, Oh, how's it going? Like, there's people just having sex. He goes, That's the whole movie. Yeah. Just sex.

SPEAKER_05

So was Donald Pleasance in the sequel of the original movie. He was in like five of them. He was in a bunch of them.

SPEAKER_03

He was in the first six.

SPEAKER_05

And then yeah. Remind me where I'm wrong. Every time. Michael Myers, and don't quote me exactly, but I remember him laying dead at the bottom of the window, her looking back out, and he was gone. Yes. And then Donald Pleasant says you can't kill the boogeyman. Yes, that's correct. That's the end of the movie. Yes. So how did he end up in a asylum in the second movie? No, no, no, no. He didn't. Oh, I thought you said in the second movie he was in asylum.

SPEAKER_04

No, he said hospital. So basically in the second, the second movie of Halloween 2 is the same night. So after the police leave, Lori gets taken to the hospital to get examined. You know what's going on? And then Michael follows Hall.

SPEAKER_03

Oh, he'd never he just shows up. Okay. So the there's a storyline in this one that they play out in the in the original, it's not there, and it's the uh Lori being uh Michael's sister. So that wasn't in the Is that in the original? It's not in the original. It was a retcon that they meant.

SPEAKER_05

Was it in the sequels of the original? Yeah. Original sequels?

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, yeah. So the for for Halloween 2 at the hospital, part of the reason why they play around with that is that um they give the the motivation that he's after her because she's his sister. But that wasn't in the original. In the original, it was just crazy guy goes out and you know, obsesses over the first thing he sees.

SPEAKER_04

Is it just me or was it kind of over the top? I was d I think that's where I was kind of done with this movie, is when he pulled out the photograph? No, no, right after that, where Lori gets knocked out. When Lori gets knocked out and then she wakes up and you're in like it almost seems like you're in like a Halloween horror nights made like the Judith Myers, the gravestones, and then a pumpkin. The gravestones in the attic with the pumpkin. I was like, And then another naked person, another boob, the friend, yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Not having sex system because she's dead.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, no, I was just like, are we doing this gravestone like horror night?

SPEAKER_05

They tried. I'm gonna flip this for a second.

SPEAKER_04

But another thing too let me know if I'm let me know if I miss something. Because I know you have to have your suspension of disbelief, but this one I was like, where did this come from? So it's the scene where Okay, so Michael Myers escapes, and he we don't even want to talk about he has this whole thing in this movie when he's a kid how he likes to make masks. Yeah, and then his asylum, he has like masks, and Danny Trey Danny Trey Hill's like, oh don't touch his mask, he doesn't like that. And then so basically, we know the origin of the mask in this one is the sister's boyfriend had it because he likes but then the Captain Kirk mask. Yes, but then suddenly when it's like 20 years, 17 years later, he goes into the attic and he just pulls up a floorboard and he pulls the mask out. Yes. Wait, what about it?

SPEAKER_05

You didn't miss anything. Where did that come from? Who knows? It bothered me. You missed nothing too much.

SPEAKER_01

Out of everything that bothered you?

SPEAKER_05

I understand because I get stuck on things like logic things, and it bothers me, but I'm I I can't help you on this one. Why?

SPEAKER_04

Why is that under the floorboard? Like what?

SPEAKER_05

Because before the boyfriend died, he put it under the floorboard, nailed it down, and then died.

SPEAKER_04

I have no idea. That was the thing I was like, you couldn't. I don't know.

SPEAKER_05

Like you couldn't just break into a Halloween shop and grab a Captain Kirk mask and continue on.

SPEAKER_04

It's like they do this whole thing with him, with him wanting to make a few.

SPEAKER_05

I don't even care where he found the mask.

SPEAKER_04

No, that's what I'm saying. It's like you have the whole thing of him wanting to make masks, and it's like, and then he just finds one in the floorboard.

SPEAKER_05

Look. Why Captain Kirk? Is there some reason why that was the mask picked in the original Halloween? Probably because it was like it was low, like budgetary. Yeah, budget reasons, probably. I've never really looked at it. It'd have been so cool if it was like a Nixon mask. That would be uh point break. Yeah, that's right.

SPEAKER_03

Um yeah. What were we talking about? Oh yeah. Um just Malcolm McDowell. Loomis in the original versus Loomis in this one. Oh, Donald. Donald Pleasance was great.

SPEAKER_04

I shot him six times.

SPEAKER_03

I feel like you you you felt that he gave a shit.

SPEAKER_05

This one's more like uh but it was written so it was so much better. Again, I don't blame the acting in this movie. I I mean, except Malcolm McDowell was just over the top. Evil has come to your little town, Sheriff.

SPEAKER_01

It was like look at the cover.

SPEAKER_04

I remember and that's the thing, is I feel like a lot of this movie too is just like assumptions like and then this happened. You never see because it's like so I like the idea when I actually I thought it was a good scene when when they're with with the I keep saying the orange juice. When the orange juice is on the table, when Michael's a kid and Mag McDowell, when they first meet and they're talking, and then he goes, and then Michael McDowell's like, Oh, you know, you don't remember anything about that night, you don't know what happened. He goes, Nothing happened that night. And he keeps saying, Oh, can I like see my family? So it introduces this thing, it's like, oh, like his perception is different. So it goes from that to then he kills the nurse, and then his like, oh, Michael hasn't talked to me in 15 years, but I read this whole book about him, and I did this whole thing where I can't help you anymore. Everything it's like, how did anything progress when you guys never talked and you just sat there? And you wrote this whole book calling him the Antichrist. It's like I can't help you anymore. I have to move on.

SPEAKER_05

It's like But you haven't. I want you to remember this conversation. So when I launch into a logic thing, you're you can't say to me, Dan, you just gotta accept it. You just gotta go with it. Because I agree with you. Oh, you know what? You are right, but you never do this. You know why you never do this because it bothers you. Always accept it. Fight. Because it bothers you. No, but you know what I'm saying? You never go through this. This thing you're doing right now, I was I I agree with you. But you always accept stuff. And this one you're not.

SPEAKER_04

I do it a lot because it bothers you. I do it a lot because it bothers me. Well, you do what? I like I just say, Dan, just forget I I agitate you.

SPEAKER_05

Okay. Because I agree. I mean, but that's because this is a really, really stupid bad movie.

SPEAKER_04

I and like I said, I'm okay.

SPEAKER_05

Now listen here. Let's get down to the brass tacks. This is not a good movie.

SPEAKER_01

And I'm not What, you didn't like it?

SPEAKER_04

Oh I'm not gonna say I didn't like it. I'm not saying it would be a better movie if he got to do what he wanted, but I'm just very interested because it would have been a better movie if it hadn't been made. Well, I well, all I'm saying is at least at least if if Halloween, I'm gonna call it Halloween Year One. If Halloween Year One, this whole thing with him being in the hospital, at least if we got a whole movie with that, while you know I could say it wasn't a good movie, it would have been something different. I was like, I would like to.

SPEAKER_05

No one wanna see that movie. You've got no killings, you've got no mass murder, no one wants to see that movie. I don't know. This is not one through the cuckoo's nest. This is a movie slasher or more. One flew over the pumpkin. That's what's so weird that they spent so much time in the hospital. I think it's because who cares? Let's get to it.

SPEAKER_03

I think he was kind of obligated to remake the exact Halloween one movie, but I just don't feel like he wanted to. I feel like he did it just because that's what was expected. Because from what I've read, the stuff that really is most interesting to him is the stuff before.

SPEAKER_01

But even then that was boring.

SPEAKER_03

I mean, yeah, no, that's fair.

SPEAKER_05

The thing is, once we got to the original hunt, once he got to the remake, which you're saying he didn't want to make, yeah, that makes sense to me because he didn't. He didn't remake it. All he did was all he did was come up with circumstances for Michael to kill somebody. Yeah. There was no storyline going on, there was no thread going on. It just became a series of killings that were just like, oh, now we're alone in this house. Okay, you're gonna get killed. Now we're you know, it was so stupid.

SPEAKER_04

And no, Dan, and and that's what I'm kind of saying too is is while I I I agree with you that the first half in the hospital isn't great, it's surprisingly to me minus lively, minus the beginning with him at home. It's to me, and okay, I I did kind of like the scene too where he like followed the bully out and he had like the branch. Yes, yeah. Um, my with that scene and on, like I said, even though it's not great, Dan, I think it's the more interesting part of the movie.

SPEAKER_05

I agree. I agree. Um I it wasn't well done, but it is the more interesting.

SPEAKER_04

No, and and some more, some more compliments so bad. Some more backstory. Apparently, Rob Zombie, because like I said, all the interference with the studio, he said that he hated making this movie. It was horrible, it was terrible. He didn't want to come back for a sequel, but they he decided to come back, and the problem is, is I think the studio with the wine was kind of contradictory. Where now, when he did the sequel, the studio was mad because they're like, Everything is the same now, like it's it's the same as the other movie. I want to do something different. And he was like, Look what I was trying to do with the hospital. That was stuff that was different, and they're like, So apparently he didn't he said he even had a worse time making the second movie.

SPEAKER_05

I don't feel bad for Rob Zoom.

SPEAKER_04

I don't either. Um he cried all the way to the bank.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, no, I think he actually enjoyed making the second one because he got the studio to agree to let him do whatever he wanted.

SPEAKER_04

Oh, see, I guess my story wasn't true then. How was the first movie?

SPEAKER_05

Um, how how did it do in the box up?

SPEAKER_04

It did well. The budget was 15 million. Oh, wow. And I think it did like 80 million? I think it did about 80, yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Dan, you know, I I think what you really need to do to truly understand this movie is to watch the making of documentary. It's on the um special features of the collector's edition. It's a four and a half hour documentary. Uh, and if you sit down and actually watch it, I think maybe you can pull your head out of your ass and enjoy how much of a masterpiece this really is.

SPEAKER_04

Dan, Dan, you just got Dan, you just gotta accept it. You just gotta let it be.

SPEAKER_03

You just gotta let it be. You just gotta accept it. I'm trying to help you through this.

SPEAKER_04

I don't know. I've actually okay, I will say I actually have seen some of the behind the scenes like of the process. I feel like it'd be way more interesting. It's way more interesting. It's actually it's it's it's pretty cool. It would have to be. It's pretty cool.

SPEAKER_03

Um I don't know how they get off on making a four and a half hour documentary on this movie.

SPEAKER_05

It's crazy.

SPEAKER_03

Where where is it? It's on the special features. It's on the special features, but I I may I may it's let you borrow it. It's on YouTube as well.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, is it I I have I have a question. How I might have missed this, but how did he know where Lori was? And how did he know that's his sister?

SPEAKER_05

You asked good questions.

SPEAKER_04

Well that okay, so Science. So here's the thing. You're right. Thank you guys. This is DNA. This is and I heard he plays a bigger part in the sequel. So the sheriff. So Brad Dorf. Brad Dorf. So what we know is I guess he knew. Yeah, Lori actually.

SPEAKER_05

Because she was adopted. Yeah, because he was the one.

SPEAKER_04

Lori was the, as we know, the younger, the baby in the beginning. And I guess he said that, like, when the murder, when the mom killed herself.

SPEAKER_01

No, that I understand, but how did I say I don't know.

SPEAKER_04

I'm saying, point is somehow when he saw her walking or something, he's like, Oh, this must be like. Well, no, they did smell. They did hold.

SPEAKER_05

Remember when he did that big sniff, and I went, Oh, he's smelling.

SPEAKER_04

He knew from that, and it's like it's somehow a photo.

SPEAKER_05

Do you remember that shot? So like one quick shot where he goes, Michael Myers. Like a fucking dog. Michael Myers does that, yes. Uh look back in the movie. He does it. And when I and he did that, I went, Oh, this has to mean something. Oh, God. I didn't connect it yet. And then later I went to the scent of a baby. The scent of a sibling crazy people. Okay, now you're being regular, Travis. Now you're now you're connecting dots that don't exist. I'm just joking. He does that a lot.

SPEAKER_04

That was a joke. But okay, so going back. We keep bringing up Danny Trejo's character. Danny who? Danny Trejo. I will say Trejo's. I will talk about Tacos is Tacos. I will, I will, this is the thing I'm gonna say about his character. Oh wow. I didn't know anything that needed to be said about it. Okay, if you were Danny Trejo in this movie and you clock off from your shift and you see something weird going on, first off, I would say I'm out of here. Second of all, if I walk in, I think people are dead. I see dead bodies, and Michael Myers walks up to me, and especially would you say, okay, let me put the handcuffs on you.

SPEAKER_05

Oh, come on, come on, Michael.

SPEAKER_04

Let me let's go back to your room. I would say bye. Now we go. I'm out of here. I I would leave. What would you do in that situation?

SPEAKER_01

I wouldn't even be there in the first place.

SPEAKER_04

You would have been home already.

SPEAKER_01

I'm leaving early. Which is fine.

SPEAKER_05

There's no logic to almost anything that goes on in this movie. It's just there for another killing. He has to kill Danny, so Danny has to be there.

SPEAKER_04

It's me seeking answers and hoping There are no. It's me hoping that since your version was 15 minutes longer, I don't imagine what that is. Oh well.

SPEAKER_01

Hey Ronald.

SPEAKER_03

Because it's trying to make order out of chaos.

SPEAKER_05

It's just it's just It's a Again, I it became clear to me so early on. We're just doing little murder vignettes. How can we get somebody else in a place where we can kill them? That's all it was.

SPEAKER_01

And honestly, that's how his movies are.

SPEAKER_05

Well then I don't ever see another one of his movies. That's stupid.

SPEAKER_04

I mean, you see the thing? Well, you don't even want to see monsters.

SPEAKER_05

Did he make this monsters? He remade the monsters. Which one? I might have seen it.

SPEAKER_04

2023.

SPEAKER_05

It's the one that looks like it was made by Party City. By Spirit, yeah, I think it's crazy. I think I saw it. Yes. It's on like Netflix or something. Yes. I think I saw it on Halloween one year. Oh lord. Wait, who plays Herman Munster? It's somebody. Obviously. Wow. Wow, Travis. That was rude.

SPEAKER_04

No, um.

SPEAKER_05

I'm gonna look it up while you're talking because I don't listen to you anyway. Okay. I think it is a somebody. It is somebody. It's like it's this really random somebody.

SPEAKER_04

This is what I'm gonna say that it's it's interesting how this is a formula. Like I said, I'm usually defending it. I don't mind because especially in the 80s, that's what a lot of these slashes were, and that's what a lot of Friday the 13th movies are. Because I will say, like, the drawback of Friday the 13th movies is a lot of them you're just kind of waiting for the next scene and it's just moving characters and they're boring. But for whatever reason in this movie, I don't know if it's just because it seemed so rushed that second half. I was I just at one point I just I was losing interest.

SPEAKER_05

Oh my gosh. Absolutely. Okay, 2022. Yeah. Share uh sharing zombie, Jeff Daniel. Alright, Jeff Daniel Phillips. Daniel Wait a minute, is this right? It is right, but I I don't it's de- is it Jeff Daniels who plays.

SPEAKER_04

No, this is a different guy. It's not that one. This is the one I think he was also in. He was in Halloween. I think he was one of the orderlies.

SPEAKER_05

I saw part of this movie as much as I could stand watching.

SPEAKER_03

I heard it's horrible. Didn't it look like they filmed it like in an afternoon?

SPEAKER_04

It looks like they're like somebody's DSLR video at the party city community. It honestly looks like a party city commercial.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, it's really stupid. Um I didn't hear what you just said, but I'm sure I agree with you. You went through a whole thing.

SPEAKER_01

You said you watched the second time because you were like, oh, maybe I do like it. Maybe it's better than I thought.

SPEAKER_03

I watched the I'll let you infer, but I watched it once in 2020, 2009, and then I watched the second for the second time in like 2011. No, no, no, 20, 2013.

SPEAKER_00

Sorry.

SPEAKER_03

And then I watched it again for the podcast. So that should let you know what I thought of it the second time.

SPEAKER_04

Did you see the second one in theaters?

SPEAKER_03

No. I think the second one had already come out um before I watched it the first time. So because that one was 2009. 2009, so that's probably when I watched it.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, no, they they cashed in on it fast.

SPEAKER_01

Was that also the same, like do people like that one?

SPEAKER_04

No, I heard some people say the second one's even worse.

SPEAKER_03

It's it's kind of like um the ones who who enjoy it say that it's definitely a better film. Which but it's still it's still tragic.

SPEAKER_04

Which is weird because it's like I feel like yeah, like I said, I feel like it's very polarizing because I was looking on Letterboxd, some people that I follow that hated this one liked the second one, vice versa. And then some people but some people just straight up hated it too. But I think it's because like spoiler, they bring back Sherry Moon, and she kind of plays like like a dream. She's like in like his dreams. Yeah, like something like and then it's like, isn't there like a unicorn or something in the movie?

SPEAKER_03

Okay, so the they what would then this is the I actually did enjoy this part of the sequel. Um, so when Lori comes out of this movie, she starts the sequel with PTSD, and it's like really like heavy. She's having bad dreams, she's like uh isolating herself from everyone, she's doing all those like edgy teen things, and the movie plays with the idea that she's kind of touched by the same insanity that um Michael is. So throughout the movie, um Michael actually has a lot of um moments where he gets these like delusions of seeing his mom at the end of like a long white hallway wearing a white dress and uh like holding like a horse. I don't know if it's a horse or a unicorn, but it's it's like it's big like on symbolism and basically angelic. And then towards the end of the movie, Lori starts having those same um those same like delusions, and it ends with her like um it ends with I think the sheriff's shooting and killing Michael, and she kills one of the sheriffs, and she ends up in a mental institution.

SPEAKER_05

No, they don't. They don't kill Michael.

SPEAKER_01

I was gonna say, did he have plans to do it?

SPEAKER_05

They actually chopped him up and burned him in Halloween ends, and I still think they're gonna make another Halloween movie with Michael.

SPEAKER_03

Oh, of course they will, but Halloween ends is actually not that bad.

SPEAKER_01

Contractually, we're obligated to make a Halloween ends. They transferred it to the other the other guy. They literally burned it down. They put him in a thing and burned it. They did transfer it.

SPEAKER_04

They did the Halloween three.

SPEAKER_03

So just going based off of Rotten Tomatoes, it does seem like this movie has higher like a higher score. Um so Halloween 3.

SPEAKER_05

It gets 11%.

SPEAKER_03

Halloween 2 had 25% critic rating and 44% audience rating. And what did one? Whereas this one had a much higher 28% critic rating and a 59% audience rating.

SPEAKER_05

So they really liked this one.

SPEAKER_03

Oh yeah, this was a this was a hit. This was a hit.

SPEAKER_01

What do they call it? Hit hit. Hit hit uh Halloween 2.

SPEAKER_03

Fucking insane. But I think it has better um cinematography than Why do they keep bringing this back?

SPEAKER_04

Well, so they they keep trying different things because so John Carbon, like I said, he never wanted to do a second movie, ever. So when he did the second movie, Michael kind of dies in an explosion, the hospital blows up. So they then went with the third movie, they said, you know what, like Michael Myers is done. Why don't we just franchise the name Halloween and make an anthology? That was the original idea. That was the original idea was that every movie, every movie now would take place on Halloween, but you'd have different events, different stories. So they did Season of the Witch, very underrated movie. But the thing is when it came out, when it came out, people didn't like it because they're like, you made off where's Michael Myers. So it did horribly. So then they came back and they did, oh, okay, we're gonna do Halloween for The Return of Michael Myers. He's bad. Which I it's I'm not gonna spoil it because I think it actually I like the fourth one.

SPEAKER_05

You can because I'll never watch it.

SPEAKER_04

But I want Sam It's got a great ending. I want Sam to see it.

SPEAKER_05

Can I just watch the ending?

SPEAKER_04

Yes, then I think the fourth one is the fourth one. I think the problem is just like I said, everyone's and then you do the fifth movie, which is completely Oh, please God, don't walk us through every freaking movie. The sixth one is where it really is No, and then I think it's just because they keep trying different approaches. With the sixth one, they kind of do what Oh my god, you are walking us through every movie. Paul Rodson's. You know what's really funny is you asked why do they keep remaking when I'm telling you different approaches, and then you get aggravated that I'm answering your question.

SPEAKER_05

I I would just love the big broad stroke.

SPEAKER_04

Mike. We all do.

SPEAKER_05

How many have they made, Travis?

SPEAKER_04

Uh they did six, and then they did Resurrect no Six H2O, Resurrection, and then they did two Rob Zombies, and then they did three. Yeah. They've done a bit. They've done like 12.

SPEAKER_05

And made 12 or so.

SPEAKER_04

I think they've done like 13.

SPEAKER_05

And Halloween Ends was the last one, right? Yeah. Which I was so lucky to see. That was our very first podcast. No, no, our first one was Halloween.

SPEAKER_03

I actually genuinely enjoyed it.

SPEAKER_05

On retrospect. The movie or the podcast? The movie. The movie's okay. It's okay. I thought it was okay. What ends? You know what? It's okay. I think it didn't really do much for me one way or the other. I didn't like dislike it, but I also didn't go, wow, this is like amazing.

SPEAKER_01

A decline. Because the first one was so good, I was like, oh great, we're back. And the second one back. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05

Back from the very first one.

SPEAKER_01

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, the the new first.

SPEAKER_04

That's a real that's a real world back. Yeah. The beginning, the beginning of the H40 trilogy.

SPEAKER_01

And then like, right, the second one sucked because it was like, what? Friggin' a mop a mopsy.

SPEAKER_03

Okay. If you take out all the evil dice tonight stuff, because I recently watched it and I was like, yeah, I get it. I I get I get what's going on.

SPEAKER_05

I had a problem with the young guy and Michael Myers like teaming up. Corey.

SPEAKER_01

That's the third one, right?

SPEAKER_05

I didn't really know it's Halloween ends. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, the third one. You know why? I I think it's because it's such a departure. It's such a departure from what what nodding to the two to the uh Velasco Raptors.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, we're together on this.

SPEAKER_04

What it was, it was them trying to do experiment. It was try it was them trying to do Halloween three and Season of the Witch. Yeah. Because even the opening titles are the same thing. Yeah. So it was them trying to for those titles, yeah. Yeah. It was them trying to do a little bit.

SPEAKER_03

If it had been a separate movie about just Rory Corey. Rory, Cory, Bory, Dory, whatever. Go ahead. Whatever his name is. Um there you go. Corey Cunningham, right? It's gonna bother Trinity. There you go. Um keep changing his name. If it had been a separate look, whatever Ronan did, um Clory. If McClury had just driving nuts in the middle, I don't keep it.

SPEAKER_04

I haven't corrected him once.

SPEAKER_05

Yes, you did.

SPEAKER_04

You want to.

SPEAKER_05

So no, I don't care.

SPEAKER_03

All I'm saying is that Jordan's rampage in this movie was exactly what I feel like a Rob Zombie movie, if it had been done in the style of um the originals, would have looked like. It was gory and brutal, but it still had the feeling and that atmosphere and that like presence of being a Halloween movie without being white trash.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

So like I feel like I feel like that's mainly what's and it sucks to say it because I know it's his thing, but I feel like just Rob Zombie's style is is just a little too like much. Like this isn't Friday the 13th. Halloween is very specifically about the evil of the unknown, and like, you know, too much. Yeah, you're you're like, we don't need to know that stuff. It's not important. Michael Myers is not a character. Michael Myers is a name, it's a shelf or evil in general. It's a thing. It's a thing, yeah.

SPEAKER_05

I mean, I've only seen the original, the uh Halloween ends, and this. And I don't feel I don't feel compelled, I gotta see any Halloween movies. I mean, again, the original is a great movie. Yeah, why do you keep looking at me? No, because you and I have talked about it. It's a great movie. I'm not talking about a great slasher. Yeah, it's in itself is a it's a classic standalone movie. Now, do they need these sequels? Whatever. Hollywood loves sequels. They love to keep cashing in. But uh, it's just you know, it's like chase, it's like chasing that high, man. Yeah. They've been chasing that first movie ever since they came out.

SPEAKER_04

I'm gonna tell you this. I'm surprised you have not said Jaws 2. Well, second story.

SPEAKER_05

I actually when you were saying that that Carpenter resists and resists, resists, I was gonna say, well, why didn't he just do what Spielberg did? And say, I ain't doing it, because it doesn't need to be made. And just don't do it. He wants the money because he wasn't Spielberg who was gonna do close encounters after that.

SPEAKER_03

Well, and and he's an artiste. Artiste. Well, I see.

SPEAKER_05

I loved Ur John Carbon has made some really good movies.

SPEAKER_04

I mean, the thing is a great, another great Halloween was also Halloween was also not a it's an it was an independent film, so I don't know if it was like a rights thing.

SPEAKER_03

It was made on like ten dollars and a cheeseburger.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, I don't know if it was a rights thing. I I don't know.

SPEAKER_03

Oh we can all agree that John Carbon had a window, and he was really making some movies. Yeah. So the movie was gonna be made with or without him because the the deal that they struck with making the first one is that when the Akkads agreed to fund the movie. The who? The producers. The producers, the ones who like fronted the money. I think the agreement was just you ha you have to keep making more movies. So they were gonna I think they owned the rights to the franchise. They did, yeah. And it would whether he was a part of it or not, they were gonna make a sequel anyway.

SPEAKER_05

He meaning zombie?

SPEAKER_03

He didn't have to do it, he didn't have to do it, but I think it was more of like a hey, well, like we made this thing, we don't want to see anybody ruin it, so let's try. And then when in the process of trying, they're like, Yeah, no, we're done.

SPEAKER_05

Well, and and what's funny or John Carpenter. No, John Carpenter. Because I mean that's you could yeah, and okay. I hear you, but again, it doesn't matter. I don't think it's a good thing. I would abandon a baby right away if I didn't want to do it. It didn't hurt John Carpenter's career that he made Halloween 2. He went on and made a lot of good movies. Oh, yeah. I would argue that it probably wouldn't have probably hurt Fieldberg's career, but made Jaws too. I think for Fieldberg it was more like there is literally no logical way this movie can be made. And it was proven by when it was made. And they made three more. And it wasn't there was no logical reason why any of those were made. It was ridiculous. Halloween's a little different. Except he was dead at the end of it. No, he wasn't dead. He disappeared at the end, so we he was still alive. Evil never dies. I can't kill him. Are we good for wrap-up? I'd love a wrap-up. Um that's what she said. Who would like to start?

SPEAKER_01

I'll start because mine's very short.

SPEAKER_05

Mine's not long and I wrote it. How about that? I'm what short?

SPEAKER_01

My height.

SPEAKER_03

My film was bad.

SPEAKER_01

I watched film. Film bad. Film bad. Score. Film bad. Actually. Yeah, I didn't like this movie.

SPEAKER_04

Alright, now I'm gonna go.

SPEAKER_01

So how many times are you gonna rewatch it? Um three thousand times. So I'm giving it a one bloody boob out of five.

SPEAKER_03

Do you have any any any other thoughts?

SPEAKER_05

Not much. But a little bit.

SPEAKER_01

I didn't see all of it because I fell asleep a little bit.

SPEAKER_05

Do you have any other thoughts? One boob, one boob. Yeah, you must have fell asleep for a long time because there were a lot of boobs in this movie. It was just gratuitous booby. It would have been.

SPEAKER_03

She at least saw the first 15 boobs. She missed the others.

SPEAKER_04

Alright. Um, I'm gonna go. If you Okay, bye. I said everything I need I said everything I need to say. Yeah, I don't have to say. Just just listen. You can go back, listen to it again if you want. I wouldn't advise it.

SPEAKER_01

Well, I'll tell you it to you right now again.

SPEAKER_04

Um, but that mine's actually a little higher than Sam's. Uh mine's four. No.

SPEAKER_05

How many times have you seen it again? Three? No, this is only I only saw it once. Oh, that's right, right, right. Oh, I love that. Go ahead. I should listen to this podcast.

SPEAKER_04

Um, I'm gonna have to me, it's just it's a thing. It's like I don't think it would have been, but it's it's the first half I enjoyed way better than the second half, and that's saying that. I agree. I don't disagree with you. I'm not. I don't like the stories that much, but I agree with you. Um this one I'll give like the highest I can ever give it is a two. Nice.

SPEAKER_05

Wow, that's high.

SPEAKER_04

Out of five, uh uh, and I'm just a thing I keep saying, uh cups of water.

SPEAKER_05

That's still a C. Is it? 2.0 C average. It's about a C cup a yeah. You're giving it a C. That's a C cup. There were a lot of C cups. There were a lot of C cups in this movie.

SPEAKER_04

Okay, I guess I gotta give it like a 1.5 then.

SPEAKER_05

Ooh, that's more like Al's. If you're going I made him go down because it did sound good.

SPEAKER_03

You made him go down a size.

SPEAKER_05

Thank you for saving that.

SPEAKER_03

What comes up must go down.

SPEAKER_01

Okay. Okay.

SPEAKER_03

It's not getting better. Nope. I want to save yours for last. So we're all pretty flaccid on this movie, so.

SPEAKER_01

Uh go ahead. That got Dan. Go on, Frank. I'm gonna give him a second to recover.

SPEAKER_04

No, in the original, and I was like, ding, go, Frank.

SPEAKER_03

Good on the case. I don't have much to say about the movie.

SPEAKER_05

Wait, what was it? 1.5 what? Oh, cups of orange juice. I like that.

SPEAKER_04

If you don't like it, items. I don't know what you're talking about. Wow.

SPEAKER_01

I want everybody else make sure. Clip in that one too.

SPEAKER_05

Oh, it's so funny.

SPEAKER_03

Go ahead. This movie's a failure as far as like being a Halloween movie. It has none of the essence of it. Um, except for the music, which it also overuses.

SPEAKER_04

It was like in d it's like let's make it more industrial sound then. Yeah. It just felt so overproduced.

SPEAKER_03

Overproduced.

SPEAKER_01

New metal.

SPEAKER_03

I think the sequel has a better, like, um like um I it sequel has lyrics in the game side.

SPEAKER_04

I I think it's better. Michael Myers, Michael Myers, Michael Myers.

SPEAKER_03

Oh no, no, the sequel was nice. It the sequel does have a theme song, and it's Love Hurts.

SPEAKER_04

Love it. Oh, because that was it. That was in the first one. Yeah, it's in the I forgot about that when Michael Myers like when he doesn't go trick-or-treating.

SPEAKER_05

They sing Love Hurts.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, no, I I I've only seen this movie three times, and I don't think I'm gonna see it many more times. This year.

SPEAKER_05

Sometimes I I would suggest listening to this podcast every time you want to watch the movie again. Yeah, as a reminder.

SPEAKER_03

This is how you know that you know that scene in in The Simpsons where like uh he's got all of Maggie's pictures and it says do it for her. That's my it's gonna be this podcast fucking stop right now. That's that's my lock screen at work.

SPEAKER_04

Is it really? No, and then I had it, and one of my coworkers walked up and they were like, Travis, are you gonna be a dad? I was like, No, and they were like, Why do you have it?

SPEAKER_03

I was like, because I don't know, I like Um So I'm just gonna give this movie and you dare give it a three. I was gonna say a three-point game. I will literally take that sound bar and shove it up your ass. My score was sagging, but then I had a little bit don't be at four?

SPEAKER_05

What the hell are you about to do?

SPEAKER_04

It's gonna be the music.

SPEAKER_03

The music is really lifting it up a lot.

SPEAKER_05

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_04

You can watch the original movie and hear the same sound too.

SPEAKER_05

Exactly. And it sounds better. Eight.

SPEAKER_03

Nine two out of five. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_05

2.2? That may be one of your lowest scores ever.

SPEAKER_03

Yes, it's 2.5. Loud themed songs. 2.5? You said 2.5?

SPEAKER_05

Is that what you said 2.5? No, two. Oh, two out of five. Period. I remember the first time I I don't know where it is in the movie, but I remember when the theme hit the first time. I went, whoa.

SPEAKER_04

It's when he was walking. I think it's when he was walking at the school. Like after he got like detention or something like that.

SPEAKER_03

Like it was around. I remember when when it was really like obnoxiously like, oh, this doesn't belong here. It's it's it's when he after he kills Judith. Or before he kills like nothing is happening. Wait, Judith's sister? His sister at the very beginning, like she's like walking away from the room, and the music's just playing, but like the the the the energy of the scene is very like not exactly where the music is. Yeah, and it it like it's playing like a chase scene, and nothing's going on.

SPEAKER_04

Well, you know what? And they did good. Frank, I say though, I'll I'll hear I will hear out of place music because it's something I didn't bring up. I'm gonna say, then the dialogue. I hated the dialogue in this movie. I was like, every single, every every conversation they had, all the friends, everything, every conversation in this movie, horrible.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, it wasn't bad acting, it was really bad dialogue. And there's nothing like the dialogue. You didn't like bitch, I will skull fuck the shit out of you.

SPEAKER_05

I don't think that there's an actor who can say those words and not sound stupid. Yeah, it's funny they didn't. That that uh Michael Myers with the um with the Captain Kirk mask on twice. Yeah they did it when he was a kid, and he did it again to a naked girl later in the movie. The exact same thing. So they didn't he couldn't even do original stuff. He kept repeating No and then regurgitating his own freaking stuff. Okay, I gotta go.

SPEAKER_03

We didn't even wanna he didn't even want to do that stuff in the first place, so it's like kind of like forcing someone to not to to to like be creative in a space they don't want to be in.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Honestly, I kind of questioned if he really wanted to remake a Michael Myers movie in the first place. I don't know why he did it.

SPEAKER_05

Nobody nobody made him do it. Um I was gonna do a whole thing about content when I first made my notes, but I'm not gonna go through that because we all agree the content was not good.

SPEAKER_04

You know, sometimes I had sometimes I had stuff that I was gonna talk about and I was like, it's not even worth it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05

Sometimes we get you can like, oh, I really like the music, and I thought the camera was really good and the lighting was really good. And my thing is, but if the content, if this is not good, who cares? I mean, ultimately, you can so I'm not gonna go through all that. I was gonna this is what I wrote. This is a soulless, lame remake. Wow, the writing is so bad that the actors just look silly trying to make it work. The original Halloween should have never had a remake. And to me, this movie is untouchable. I mean, that movie is untouchable, and Rob Zombie proved it that he shouldn't have done a remake because he did make a remake. He, in fact, by making it proved it should have never been remade. That's my drop the mic. My biggest project. Drop the microphone. He hasn't made a remake since proved it shouldn't have. So I'm gonna give it a generous 1.3 stupid Halloween remakes out of five.

SPEAKER_01

Wow. Wow. Tell us how you really feel.

SPEAKER_05

Uh I think that's really vulgar, Dan. I thought the movie was really bad.

SPEAKER_01

So soulless in that.

SPEAKER_05

Really bad. And I think soulless is the way I felt at the end. That's a great word for it. There's no soul. Not that slashy movies have heart, but you need to at least care about something that's going on. When you're scared in a movie, you're scared because you're having an emotional reaction to what's going on. When you're not scared, I didn't never scare in this movie. Yeah. I was grossed out in this movie, but I I just stopped looking when I knew the bad stuff was coming because it was just okay, we're just gonna get really sloppy and bloody here for a second.

SPEAKER_03

Yum. Yum. Alright, see y'all next week.

SPEAKER_05

So that was fun. What are we doing next week in our in our remake? The Rob Zombie documentary.

SPEAKER_04

The Rob Zombie. No, no, no. The Rob Zombie remake of Battle Royale.

SPEAKER_05

So, Dan, you're about to get sick. Oh man, can you imagine he remade that movie? And they're all white trash.

SPEAKER_01

Hey, we are watching Quarantine. Oh. The remake of Wreck.

SPEAKER_05

Oh, the remake of Wreck. That we saw the Spanish version. Called Wreck. And now we're actually gonna watch the right version. I mean what? So a f a friend of mine who we all know, not Brian, but we still know this guy, and I'm and I'm I'll bring him up when we next week when we do the actual podcast. He actually talked about the American version, the English version, to me after we when I when we did the um the Spanish version. So I remember the conversation and I'm looking forward to seeing it actually. I hope I feel the same way after I've watched it.

SPEAKER_03

Alright, bye. I think I got you to w watch the remake after after we talked about it, right?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, and now I just gotta watch it again. I recently watched Rec 2.

SPEAKER_03

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_01

Really good. I forgot how good it was. I haven't made a sequel to it. It's right after the first season.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, it's like the Halloween 2 of Rec. Same night.

SPEAKER_05

Is Michael Myers in it? Yes.

SPEAKER_01

If you slow down, you will see him in the background for sure.

SPEAKER_00

Love it.

SPEAKER_05

Before I flip out, where does Michael Myers uh uh show up in the scary movie movies? He doesn't. Why? Which is interesting, though. That's so obvious.

SPEAKER_01

They were just more focused on Scream. Yeah. Ghostface, yeah. I don't think they ever did like the classic flashers.

SPEAKER_04

They had like they made it. Yeah, but like having but they they would like to do that. Because it made fun of like no, they they never had Michael Myers.

SPEAKER_05

Interesting. I thought it was a I thought they were taking off on all scary movies.

SPEAKER_01

I think it was just at the time, whatever was popular at that time.

SPEAKER_03

They they j they they were really they started off with like the the the 90s slashers, and then from there they jumped onto the uh Signs. Like yeah, like signs and and um the J Horror American remakes, and then they went somewhere else. I don't know where they were.

SPEAKER_04

Well, and then you had uh second scary movie, which was The Haunting and It was The Haunting and I think a little Hollow Man, yeah.

SPEAKER_05

Wasn't the first scary movie rated R, and then after that they're all PG 13. The first two, yeah.

SPEAKER_04

And then with the faint because the first two were Wayne's brothers, then three and four were the Zuckers, and I never saw the fifth one.

SPEAKER_03

Me neither. Me neither. Oh, the Zuckers did something.

SPEAKER_04

They did three and four. How were they? The third one's funny, the fourth one's horrible. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Who are the the Zuckers?

SPEAKER_03

They did airplane, naked gun. Yeah. They were really funny. That's true. The third one was decent. It wasn't as good as one and two, but it was not bad.

SPEAKER_01

Charlie Sheen came in pictures.

SPEAKER_03

Yes. That's the one that did signs on the grudge.

SPEAKER_05

I love I love the first two. I love the cooking the uh the bacon and the eggs on her. Oh, yeah. Okay. All right, well. This was fun. Out of context. I mean, fun, you know. As it could be. As fun as it could be when you watch a really bad movie. But that's what we do here. It's uh Strangers in the Alps, a bad movie podcast. But um uh please follow us, share us, recommend us, review us. Like, subscribe. Uh join our our our our Patreon. No, I'm kidding. We don't have to set up. Our OnlyFans don't say it. I just said it, so there's nothing I can do about it. Our OnlyFans.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, that's that's where we sell, we sell uh turbines and fans.

SPEAKER_03

Only the summer's coming. Yeah. Sometimes I twirl.

SPEAKER_05

I don't know what we're doing.

SPEAKER_03

Because I'm the only fan. Alright, bye.

SPEAKER_05

Next week we're gonna have a great time with a remake of Wreck, and I'm not done. We're not gonna do that. I know, I was like so. Put your headset back on, dipshit.

SPEAKER_04

You made you say you were so done with this 20 minutes ago.

SPEAKER_05

He was good to you, I was good to you!

SPEAKER_04

I was good to you, I'm taking mine off.

SPEAKER_05

All right. All right. Join us next week for another episode of Strangers in the Elves, the movie podcast. I'm Dan. Travis.

SPEAKER_01

Sam.

SPEAKER_05

And we are good to you out the out of the way.