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<v SPEAKER_00>Welcome back to the After Sermon.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Or if this is your first time, thank you so much for joining us.

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<v SPEAKER_00>My name is David, one of the student directors here at Plum Creek, and I'm joined with Steve Carter from Christ Church.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Such a gift and blessing.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Thank you for the word that you brought yesterday.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And one of the themes that you kept coming back to that I really, really enjoyed was this idea of having a pace setter.

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<v SPEAKER_00>He talked about the idea of running a marathon and having this pacing and just continuing to uh follow them because they were just right on the mark the entire time, which I really enjoyed being a runner from when I was younger as well.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Um and as we start to change this pace, how do we know that we're actually becoming more like Jesus and not just changing pace to change pace?

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<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah, that's a great question.

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<v SPEAKER_01>I I think what's interesting is different stages of life, you know.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Um, my son just went off to college, and so um a lot of time that was committed towards him.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Um, we now have more flexibility in a lot of ways.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Um, and so we're in a kind of a season where the the setting of the pace can be a little bit different.

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<v SPEAKER_01>So I say that to go, hey, for some um people who are starting a new job, their pace might be different.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Uh those who are just becoming new parents, uh, their pace might be different, you know.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Right.

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<v SPEAKER_01>And so what I typically do is every 90 days is I just check, hey, how how is the pace?

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<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah, how is the pace?

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<v SPEAKER_01>How is my soul?

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<v SPEAKER_01>How is um my energy, uh, spiritual vitality?

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<v SPEAKER_01>Um, the only one of the pieces that the scriptures will command us to do is to encourage ourselves.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah, and and I think part of that encouragement is when you can look back and go, okay, like I I have obviously stuff to learn, but man, I'm not exhausted.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Um, I actually felt like that was a good um number of weeks walking closely with the Lord.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Here were some curveballs that got thrown our way, and yet the practices, um, the nearness of God um allowed me to walk with a confidence and a joy and a contentment that um I think kind of is bearing a kind of fruit that I hope points more and more people to Jesus.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah, that's great.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And are there other fruits that you see you mentioned, some sort of joy, like how's that changing like how you're treating other people?

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<v SPEAKER_00>Um, I feel like sometimes when we're running too fast, it changes maybe how we look at other people as well.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah, it's definitely.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Well, I you know, you love God with all your heart, mind, body, and soul.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_01>And love your neighbor as yourself.

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<v SPEAKER_01>I think one of the first um realizations is the more that I I recognize that the Lord is near and I'm and I'm receiving that beauty and that gift, that rest for my soul, I'm actually kinder to myself.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Right.

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<v SPEAKER_01>And out of that kindness and love for myself, um then I can actually give to my neighbor.

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<v SPEAKER_01>And so I feel like I'm more patient, yeah, I'm more present, I'm more grace-filled, right?

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<v SPEAKER_01>Um, all of that towards myself and what I am experiencing with Christ for me as what I can give to another.

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<v SPEAKER_01>And so um that's been one of the most beautiful pieces because I I've always been really hard on myself.

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<v SPEAKER_01>I can I can have that shame storm, but the nearer I am to Jesus and the reality that I can bring that anxiety or I can bring that shame, I can I can give that to him, yeah, and I can kind of experience that peace that transcends all understanding.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Well, then I can give that away.

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<v SPEAKER_01>And when someone else is walking through that shame or walking through that fear or that uncertainty, I I don't have to fix it.

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<v SPEAKER_01>I can just be present and then point them to the one who is near to them too.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Right.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah, that's sweet.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And you mentioned this idea of like knowing God's word, sitting under God's word.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I think that's a huge part of it is actually when we know God's word, we know what he says about us, we know how much value we have in his eyes, and we'll know how much value everyone has in his eyes.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So we'll see people in that way as well.

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<v SPEAKER_00>That's right.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And I really enjoyed that idea.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I'd never heard that before when you're talking about the rabbi and his yoke, um, and how that's kind of the the language we're joined together, yeah, and we're taking a step, step by step with him, learning from him.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And that was that was super sweet.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Um, but I guess this idea of sitting under God's word, how can we do that well?

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<v SPEAKER_00>Like practically, what does it look like to actually sit under God's word to meditate on it to look more like Jesus in that way?

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<v SPEAKER_01>So good.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Well, you know, you know this, David, like is the student director.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Um, you know, when you're making writing a teaching, you know, you you open up God's word and you're typically asking questions of the text because you want to know the context, you want to know how to how to bring it to the students and and and make it plain and and make it thoughtful and accessible, give them practical tools for tomorrow.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Like, and that's all beautiful.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_01>But when you're spending time with God, we're not asking necessarily questions of the text, right?

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<v SPEAKER_01>We're letting the text ask questions of us.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Where where are we misaligned?

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<v SPEAKER_01>Right.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Where are we walking in the presence?

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<v SPEAKER_01>Where are we walking in the peace?

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<v SPEAKER_01>And that's been a massive shift when I can just sit and just go, okay, you know, we we were talking about one of the psalms, but you could read a psalm and just spend time not trying to rush through it, yeah, but resting in the the the beauty and the depth, um, and and part of spiritual formation, and it's most simple.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Simple kind of thought process is you could take a simple truth, simple truth like uh God is with you or the Lord is near.

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<v SPEAKER_01>The Lord is near.

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<v SPEAKER_01>You're like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_01>But then that simple is gonna go through a struggle.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Right.

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<v SPEAKER_01>And you then wonder, is that simple the Lord is near?

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<v SPEAKER_01>Does it hold up in the struggle?

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<v SPEAKER_01>Right.

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<v SPEAKER_01>And when it does, when it proves itself to be true, it doesn't become simple again.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah, it moves through the struggle and becomes wildly sacred.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Right.

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<v SPEAKER_01>There's a weight to it.

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<v SPEAKER_01>And when you say the Lord is near, you're like, I know the Lord is near.

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<v SPEAKER_01>And the Lord was near here, and now when I'm walking through something else, the Lord is here.

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<v SPEAKER_01>And and then I can experience the Lord asking questions.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah, but are you letting me be near to your finances?

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<v SPEAKER_01>Right.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Are you letting me be near to this complex trauma that you experienced?

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<v SPEAKER_01>Right.

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<v SPEAKER_01>And once I've experienced and and and gained that safe plus consistent again and again worthy of trust, then all of a sudden I'm like, oh, you can be near here.

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<v SPEAKER_01>And so I just say to anyone listening, um, yes, ask questions of the text.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Um, that's beautiful, but in your time with God, allow the text to ask questions of you.

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<v SPEAKER_01>How are you living in alignment, out of alignment?

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<v SPEAKER_01>Um, what would what would your life look like if you took that text?

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<v SPEAKER_01>Um one simple way I'll do this real quick is I will draw arrows in my journal.

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<v SPEAKER_01>So I always go backwards, and backwards is knowing the text.

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<v SPEAKER_01>I'll write the verse down.

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<v SPEAKER_01>And then I'll go forwards a hundred plus times this idea of one another.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Is this gonna help me love one another?

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<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah, um, encourage one another, pray for one another.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Is it gonna point me upwards?

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<v SPEAKER_01>Am I gonna experience more of the presence of God?

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<v SPEAKER_01>The Lord is near, or prayer.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Right.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Is it gonna actually invite me to go downwards in the sense of like lay something down that's become an idol?

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<v SPEAKER_01>Is it actually gonna call me inwards where there's some area in my life where God is wanting to sanctify, to make whole, holy, or or help me become spiritually healthy?

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<v SPEAKER_01>Or is it gonna call me outwards to serve, uh, to be hospitable, to share my story?

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<v SPEAKER_01>And so one of those ways is I just go follow the spiritual directions, yeah, backwards, forwards, upwards, downwards, inwards, outwards.

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<v SPEAKER_01>And when I read with that kind of guide, yeah, it helps me have like a takeaway for the day, if that makes sense.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah, that's super helpful.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And I I genuinely love that idea of like, well, actually, what direction does he want me to go in?

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<v SPEAKER_00>I think so often we can come in like, well, I'm reading a psalm today, so I just want to like bring my heart to the Lord, or I want to do this or that.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And so I think that's great.

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<v SPEAKER_00>If it's like, actually, what do you want me to do with this?

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<v SPEAKER_00>And I like the idea of what you were saying with the profound statement, or it becomes sacred to you.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Do you have an example where something was like, oh, that's just a simple truth that I had heard when I was a kid, and now it actually is something that's really sacred and something that I like hold so close because of something you need to walk through with it.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah, oh man, there's a number of those.

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<v SPEAKER_01>I mean, I I but I went through a really, really hard time in 2018.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Um, and um, I knew that God was with me and God was for me.

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<v SPEAKER_01>That was a simple truth.

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<v SPEAKER_01>God is with me, God is for me.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_01>And then um, we actually moved from Chicago to the desert.

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<v SPEAKER_01>And for four years, I just I would walk the desert trails hiking.

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<v SPEAKER_01>And um, I studied and learned a lot about the desert mothers and fathers, and um and I had to like wonder, is he actually with me and for me?

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<v SPEAKER_01>Um on the backside of um, and nothing I had done, but I was like part of collateral damage of something that had happened.

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<v SPEAKER_01>And and so I I found myself like walking through this, and it was amazing, is when you're usually in the promised land, you're usually um talking about God, but when you're in the valley and you're in the desert, right and you're in the wilderness, you're talking to God.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Right.

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<v SPEAKER_01>And and then in the talking to God and the struggle, I now come back and I can say with such great confidence, um, he is with me.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Right, he is for me.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Um, I've experienced that simple struggle, and now it's like profoundly sacred.

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<v SPEAKER_01>And that's that for me is like I and no matter where I am, if he was with me in the valley, right?

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<v SPEAKER_01>He he was we with me in in my own version of Egypt, oh my goodness, of course he's gonna be with me um no matter what.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Um because I'm his kid.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_01>And so for me, that's been something that just uh I could preach on like that because it's a lived theology.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah, it's a lived experience.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And I could like feel it in your voice when you're talking about it, you're like, oh, like that is now like something I hold so closely to.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And uh so back when I was in college, I after I graduated, I was headed to Europe with my brother Tim.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Cool.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And right before we headed there, a girl that I was dating and I broke up.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And so, not in the best mood, things weren't going great, and I was on the plane.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I was actually spending time reading my Bible, which was great.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And this lady comes and walks up to me, just this random lady who's waiting in line for the bathroom.

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<v SPEAKER_00>She's sitting there and she's like, What are you doing?

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<v SPEAKER_00>I was like, I'm just reading my Bible, and she's like, Okay, cool.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And like stops and is like awkwardly staring at me.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I'm like, What is happening?

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<v SPEAKER_00>Like, I I can't go anywhere, I'm in my seat.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And so she's like, Well, actually, I was reading something the other day and pauses again awkwardly.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I'm like, This is the weirdest interaction.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Like, I don't know what you're about to say.

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<v SPEAKER_00>She was like, Well, I was reading about Psalm 63 today, and she was like, and for some reason, like she decided that she should tell me about this.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I'm not sure why.

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<v SPEAKER_00>I think the Lord probably told her to do it.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And she was like, Psalm 63 talks about the safest place that we can be in the shadow of God's wings.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And so I'm sitting there and I'm just like blown away because I'm like, she never seen this person in my life.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Who knows?

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<v SPEAKER_00>I could have been an angel or something, but uh so cool that she was just willing to step out and say that.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Um, but I really enjoy this idea of uh Psalm 63 that he's going through a desert, it talks about that at the very start of the chapter, but then he's talking about like coming back and he's like, But actually I am safe because I'm in your presence.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And you mentioned that with Philippians 4.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah, and I really enjoyed this idea of rejoicing always.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And I think that's not a denial of what's actually going on in our lives.

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<v SPEAKER_00>There's gonna be hard trials.

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<v SPEAKER_00>You talked about that as well.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Um, but why do you think it's so important and what changes in us when even when there's a trial that we're deciding to still rejoice?

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<v SPEAKER_00>What do you think changes in our hearts, in our minds, how we approach the Lord?

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<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah, there was a there's a study uh just done about um when a gathering of people, it's like a hundred years ago, a gathering of people um actually sing.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Um so um I think it was this past week, um Tom DeLong, who is like the lead singer of Blink 182, um, when the Padres uh were in the playoffs, yeah, they do this like thing every like seventh or eighth inning, they play uh one of Blink 182 songs.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Okay.

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<v SPEAKER_01>And the whole like stadium sings this song.

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<v SPEAKER_01>And you can't not sing that whole song without like some sense of just excitement because you're actually singing it with another group of people.

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<v SPEAKER_01>And what they found is that there is something corporate that happens within our bodies, within our minds, that actually um it like releases um kind of this uh serotonin, I think, or dopamine into like our like it just makes us lighter.

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<v SPEAKER_01>There's the there is this sense.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Part of it is the cortisol of fear or flight or fun.

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<v SPEAKER_01>When we can actually, oh no, no, I can actually trust this to a God who can hold this.

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<v SPEAKER_01>I don't have to be the only one.

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<v SPEAKER_01>It's almost like we are surrendering something that is holding us back and and actually it's it's it's literally lifting our spirits.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah, it's lifting us up.

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<v SPEAKER_01>And so um part of it is selfish when I rejoice.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Yeah, because I feel better.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Right.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Um, but part of it is profoundly spiritual because I am proclaiming, God, you can hold this diagnosis or you can hold this situation and circumstance, or um even though I don't see it and even though I don't feel it, I'm trusting that you're working, as Philippians 1 says, um and Romans 8 28 says, like for the good of me.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Like I don't I don't see it now.

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<v SPEAKER_01>And and like I mentioned 2018 being this really, really hard season.

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<v SPEAKER_01>Um but now because I walked through that desert, I'm on the other side of it.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Yeah.

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<v SPEAKER_01>And and it's like I could not have seen what God was wanting to do in 2018.

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<v SPEAKER_01>And probably for you, yeah, being on that plane in a in a place of heartache, yeah, but now where you are and who God is making you to be, you're like, man, I didn't I didn't know that was even possible, but God did.

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<v SPEAKER_01>And so part of that rejoice is just uh a lifting of the spirit that he gives, but also just the sense of um, I'm trusting you that that you see what I can't see, and you're doing what I can't do in my own power.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Right.

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<v SPEAKER_00>It like solidifies this idea of faith, like what we're saying with our words.

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<v SPEAKER_00>It's like, I'm going to now take a step to rejoice with my mouth in prayer.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Yes.

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<v SPEAKER_00>That's great.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And thank you so much for your wisdom and your guidance in the sermon, um, as well as just in this time together.

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<v SPEAKER_00>Um, if you guys are joining us and you want to listen to the sermon uh that Steve preached this weekend, go to YouTube.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And if you just want to listen to it, you can go to wherever you listen to a podcast.

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<v SPEAKER_00>And my prayer for us this week is that this wouldn't just be a conversation between Steve and I.

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<v SPEAKER_00>This would start a conversation between you and the people at your houses uh to see how you can rearrange your life around what Jesus says is true.

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<v SPEAKER_00>So you guys