GAME NIGHT (2018) w/ The Wine Pair Podcast's Joe and Carmela Mele

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Welcome everybody to season three of Vintertainment. This is the podcast where we pair wine with entertainment. It's as simple as that. You don't need to understand wine. You just need to have fun with it, folks. Try to consider what kind of wine matches the tone, style and aesthetic of the movie, show, album, book or comic you want to enjoy. Any of those count. If it's entertainment, it counts or vice versa. You have a wine on hand. Now, what kind of entertainment is going to match that wine? Does that not make any sense to you? Don't worry. We're about to demonstrate. Just follow our leads. And you'll see as well that there's never just one pairing that makes sense. The universe of wine and entertainment is vast, my friends, and both take years of a creator's life to make. So we highly recommend getting out of your comfort zone and experiencing as much of both as time and health allows. Please drink and consume entertainment responsibly. You know, like get off your ass and exercise and drink water. And we're coming in hot in season three with our very first sponsor, Curated Wine Shop. No idea where to begin finding a wine that pairs with your movie. That's OK. Almost literally no one does. But Curated is here to help. They accept every entertainment inspired challenge and will curate the selection to match your palate. Just tell them what you're trying to pair with your budget, your preferences, and they will show you the way. Curated is a Boutique wine shop on Lebrea Avenue, Mid City, Los Angeles, founded and operated by Peeps currently and previously part of the entertainment ecosystem. They carry an ever-changing, wide-ranging selection of small lot artisanal wines from the known and comforting to be completely unique. Whether you're talking about reds, whites, rosés, oranges, sparklings, dry wines, sweet wines, and everything in between, they pour a themed flight Wednesday through Sunday, different flight every single week, offer tiered membership, including the curated tier, of which I myself am a member. This is where they curate three bottles every month to match your preferences, even when your preferences, like mine, is to drink the weirdest frickin' things that fit within the monthly price point. Now Curated is also the place where we will soon be hosting live and in-person wine and movie nights. We did our first back in October, and then the first for 2026 is currently being planned for March, and we hope to do them roughly monthly starting then. We plan to make it a night of short films by local LA filmmakers, each paired with a different wine. So if you're in the LA area, keep an eye out for that. And you can do so by heading to curated-wines.com. That's curated-wines, plural, dot com. where you can borrow, I'm sorry, where you can browse all the upcoming events at the shop and also browse most of their wine selection. And while you're at it, you should follow us on our sub stack, VinertainmentStudios.com, where we will keep y'all up to date on all our upcoming events, as well as bonus wine and entertainment pairings, collabs with other writers, filmmakers, and wine peeps. That's curated-wines.com for curated and VinertainmentStudios.com for us. of Entertainment Bros. And we just posted a heated wine pairing rivalry post on our sub stack entertainmentstudios.com where me and one other wine writer, we paired a different wine with every episode of heated rivalry and you get to vote which was the better pairing. So head to entertainmentstudios.com and vote for me if you don't mind. My pride's on the line. Thank you. And now our very special guests. Today are Joe and Carmela Mele. They are the husband-wife duo behind one of my all time fave wine podcasts, the Wine Pair podcast. Now FYI, there is a Vine Pair podcast with the V as in Victor. That is for industry types. The Wine Pair podcast with the W as in Wonder Woman. That is this podcast that we are talking about. That's for people like me and you, even though I am industry, but I'm normal industry. There is such a thing. Shut up. Anyway, recommended by Decanter Magazine, who calls the Wine Pair podcast, quote, fun, irreverent, chatty and entertaining, unquote. So a four quadrant podcast. Each episode, Joe and Carmela learn about taste and give their honest reviews for two to three wines that are reasonably priced, meaning under $25 each, as well as easy to find. Their podcast is made for people who want to learn more about wine, find new wines to enjoy and just want someone to talk about wine in a fun and funny way that regular people can understand. So if that sounds like you, then you simply must check out the Wine Pair podcast and tell them we sent you. Now you can follow them at thewinepairpodcast.com on Instagram at thewinepairpodcast. and or contact Joe, J O E normal old school Joe cup of Joe type Joe directly and tell him you want to be on their mailing list at Joe at the wine pair podcast.com. And now without further ado, let's bring them on and we have yet another very special introduction for them. Let's see how it goes. Here we go. All right, it's time to introduce our very special guests today. And in fact, These guests are so special that we had to prepare a very special intro for them. All right. I might have gotten the lyrics wrong on this. They weren't written down anywhere online. I had to go by ear and I couldn't understand them all, but we're going to find out. Here we go. Welcome I'm oh And if I want to wait too much, they hunger for a touch So it's good we finally got you all apart Oh my god. Once lived in podcast palace Till they said yes to Dave and I so it's good we finally trapped you all Welcome Joe and Carmen. wow entertainment doing. I wish that would happen every time we walk into a room. Don't say that. You'll do it. Thank you. cool. By the way, that was thrown on me at the last minute too. I had no idea that was coming. we're all surprised. Right, right, we need a recording of that though. Our own recording of it. Okay, trust me. You'll have it in audio and we will share the... I have no doubt I'm making a social media post about that. So we will share that when it's ready. But in any event, welcome to the show officially. for having us. red carpet. Yeah, roll out. And where do we start after that? So... That's right. End of show. What we have to do is before we get to the movie that these two have picked out today and they're going to introduce us to that, we have to do our wine trivia question of the week. Now, let's see if they can answer our wine trivia question of the week. Mr. Sommelier of reasonably priced wines. Let's see if you can answer it. Now, you did cover this not too long ago on your own podcast, but you don't have your own show notes. So this is going to be a little trick here, right? I don't know how good I would do if someone threw a wine trivia question at me, but I tried to pick something that you have covered. So we'll see how well that memory, that noggin works. So the Croatian grape, Selinek Kastelanski is known in America as A. Charbono B. Chardonnay C. Sinso, Sin-solt, Sinso or D. Zinfandel. And that is the Croatian grape, Sjoljana Kastelanski. That is not how it's spelled whatsoever, because it's Croatian, but that is how it's apparently pronounced. You want to take it? You want to take it? no, no, this is all you. D Chardonnay? C Censeau? Or D of Saint-Hondel? Think, think, think. It's probably wrong, but I'm gonna go Charbonneau. It is wrong. I'll give you one more guess. And that's not bad because the guests would have lowered it down to probably Charbonneau and one other. But think of your roots. Think of your roots. Well, then it's it's it's got home Zinfandel It's Infandel, otherwise known as Primitivo in Italy. Yes. Wow. You're gonna erase uh that part. And just go to the Z. It's gotta be Zinfandel. We chop right to it's gotta be Zinfandel. I had that ready. power of editing, it's beautiful. A. Charbonneau, B. Chardonnay, C. Sinso, or D. Vintonelle? It's gotta be Zinfandel. Zinfandel is correct! my god, Joe is amazing! He's brilliant, he knows everything! All right, guys. Well, you you have chosen a movie for us to talk about today. Can you please tell our listeners what that movie is, why you chose it? What is your history with this movie? So we chose the movie Game Night with Jason Bateman and Rachel McAdams. um You know, we kind of have a history with that movie, which is kind of what came to mind right away. We were like, this is the movie we have to choose. First and foremost, because we don't usually agree on movies. We agree on wine. We agree on how to raise kids. We agree on most foods. But movies is usually a point of contention. Thank Um, do you want to tell them why? I'll just say I like a lot of types, but I'm big into things that Carmella doesn't like. I'm a rom-com Yeah, she's rom-com. If it has any semblance of bleeding, blood, or danger, she's not super happy about it. So, yeah, I like sci-fi. She hates sci-fi. can't wait to talk about the dog scene, but okay. I like action films. She does really like action films. I like brooding artsy films like No Country for Old Men. She'd never watch that thing. No, I don't know. So when that that movie came out, I think Joe was holding on to it and was like, this is a movie night for us. so, you know, yeah, so on a fun night when we was just the two of us, which I think we were probably at that point, almost just the two of us. He was like, we're going to watch game night. And as soon as he said who was in it, I was sold. Like I was totally game. So we've watched. watching. Bye! We've watched it probably 30 times. Wow. Wow. I've never seen anything 30 times in my life Well, we made people watch it because we were so like enamored with it. like, you got to watch it. Now we made you guys watch it, but like you got to watch it. Let's watch it. so it is like your two's game night for everyone else. We were like, we- it inspire any actual game nights for you guys at all? We like to play games, you know, like as a family and with our kids and, so. But we have never done a murder mystery game. Kidnapping game. I it's time. I never know. Have you ever done like just the two, like not at your place, but like gone to locked room? Yeah. uh that. So really it was, was a number of years, anytime we were like talking about movies or what we were watching, we would like ask right away, have you seen Game Night? And if somebody said no, we were like, my gosh, you've got to watch Game Night. is so much. All of our kids were like, yeah, it's good, mom. It's mom and dad. We liked it. So yeah, that's kind of the history behind it. Well, on that note, let's do before we start talking about the movie and our takes on it this time. And I don't know the fact that you've seen it 30 times. One of our questions is, has anything changed in this latest watching? I'm going to say, oh, OK. It did like significant, significantly. Interesting. Yeah. All right. Fascinating. I was about to say I'm to take that as a hard no. We'll just move away from that. But OK, that's fascinating. Hold on to that thought. But first, a quick brief history of this movie. So our listeners have context for what it is. And as we go through this conversation, guys, we're to break the movie down after the brief history. We're going to break the movie down into three different acts. When we get to act three, dear listeners, there will be spoilers. So if you want to watch this movie before listening to this full episode or you want to skip Act 3 and just go to the wine pairings at the end after we say what happens in Act 3, do that. I'll have chapter markers all down below so you can flip around and switch around, add to your heart's content. But there we will spoil everything and there are spoilers. All right. All right. So here's the history. For most stories, coming up with the title is often. the most difficult thing. But not so with Game Night, because the title was all that producer John Fox had. Game Night, it's gonna be a great title, gonna be a great movie. All I need now is a story, a script, actors, director, you know, the movie, but it's a great title. It's gonna be an amazing movie. So John Fox brought in screenwriter Mark Perez for Story Ideas. Perez was an inaugural member of the Walt Disney Studios writers program, a program where writers become contract employees of Disney for one year and receive mentorship, professional development, and quote unquote, unprecedented access to the company and its creative executives, producers, showrunners, and program alumni. And sure enough, Perez went on to write such fan favorites as The Country Bears, uh Another favorite. Wow. Okay. Okay. that one. And how about her be fully loaded? That one actually we didn't Lindsay Lohan is in that movie, I believe. I think we just saw it once. Saw it once, saw it once. Okay, well, we can all agree he got game night. Okay, he got game night. So he has that to his credit at the very least. So Fox brought, ah John Fox, I have to be careful about that because Fox is a studio. John Fox brought the story, I'm sorry, the title to Perez and Perez took inspiration from films like Three Amigos and Tropic Thunder, which is quite a range. And he pitched this concept to 20th century Fox, who liked it. The two pitched the project to Jason Bateman, who also liked it. They then sold the idea to New Line Cinema sometime between 2013 and 2014. And can I just say, this was like, John Fox, he's like, I got a title. It's gonna be amazing. Who's the worst writer I know? You, come here, give me a story. Here's the title. Okay, great, let's take it a big star. He loves it. Great, let's take it to a studio. They love it. Oh, I'm running out of range, I'm a guy. And let's take it, and then it just gets made. And it's like Hollywood actually worked once upon a time and movies actually got made. That's simply, it is kind of, this is going to be a short history. There is not much to say. This movie was just like slipped in and was made. Now, there were a few things though. Can you two guess who was first slated to direct this movie? Hint, I've already mentioned their name. And they're very famous. This is now I know what it's like to be on the other side of the microphone because Carmella never listens to me. And so we weren't listening to you when you said it either. I don't know. I'm I bet I know where you're Don't think too deeply. Don't think too deeply. Jason Bateman. no way! Hey. Yeah. Like to direct it. Oh, wow. it. And start. edit right to it as though you answered it properly. Go ahead. Thank you. Has he ever directed any movies? No, not at this point. No. What happened was Bateman was slated. He was slated to direct, star and produce the film. But then they brought in screenwriters Jonathan Goldstein and John Francis Daly to rewrite Perez's script. And it became clear to Bateman that the. Exactly. Shocker. Right. Shocker. It's getting rewritten. mean, to be fair, this is Hollywood. Like, they're not comfortable actually making a film if it hasn't been rewritten like three times. Right. So, like, it doesn't matter whether it needs it or not. It's just like, let's just do it. So we say we worked really hard on it. So we, you know, have an exit if this goes badly. So Bateman came, they came in and Bateman realized they would want to direct because Bateman had worked on their scripts before Horrible Bosses 1 and 2, if anyone has seen those two. And then since then they had had their directorial debut vacation. the movie starring Ed Helms, Leslie Mann, Christina Applegate, and Skyler Gazzando, which may I just say is such an amazing name, Skyler Gazzando. So Game Night would be their second directorial effort, but they were very much on the director's path at that point. So when they came in to rewrite, Bateman was like, all right, if they're rewriting, I'm not going to get in the way. And he voluntarily stepped down, or at least that is the story. And by the way, they would go on to direct Dungeons and Dragons, Honor Among Thieves after Game Night. which is a fantasy heist comedy for the most part. they mostly do comedies. Joan Carmela, have you seen Horrible Bosses 1 and 2, Vacation or Dungeons and Dragons, Honor Among Thieves? I kind of think I've seen them all. doubt you've probably seen maybe one. Horrible bosses. maybe horrible bosses. I think so. I think I've seen that one, but I don't, the other ones I don't think I've seen. Yeah. uh they're not rom-coms, are they? Not very much. Well, I don't have anybody to watch the rom-coms with, so I don't watch a lot of them. The Dungeons and Dragons has, what's his name, isn't it? Chris Pine. Chris Pine is it, so you might like that one. Maybe. eh mean, again, guess vacation turns into a rom-com in the second half. Like, there are people who don't know each other, but they all fall in into this kind of scheme. then, I mean, it's kind of like game night. They're all already in relationships, but then in vacation, it's about all the criminal activity going on. And then they all fall into relationships due to the criminal activity and all that fun stuff. You know, you do crime together, it's become like family. Right. Yeah. Who else are you going to turn to at that point? You're stuck together at that point. All right. So while Daley and Goldstein did not receive screenwriter credit on this movie, they later said they rewrote, quote, almost all of the original script's dialogue totally overhauled the characters, most notably a creepy cop portrayed by Jesse Plemons and comprehensively reworked the original script's third act. Now, the rules of the WGA, the Writers Union, is that a director has to rewrite more than 50 % in order to get screenwriter credit as a director. So if you so they had to have rewritten less like even if you do if the WGA decides you rewrote 48 % doesn't count. Right. It's like you still don't get credit. It's got to be over that line. So they didn't overhaul it more than 50%. But that could still be very extensive rewrites. And they they claim they did even though they do not get screenwriter credit on this. So Game Night was filmed in Atlanta. featuring a central three story suburban home designed for complex quote unquote, wonder one take shots. The winner shot where they tossed the Faberge egg around like a hot potato, a CGI egg to make the winner work. So they didn't have to retake all the tossing and the catching and whatnot. Please. Yeah. just the egg was CGI and then it was attempted to be done as a true winner. ah And that whole scene was literally like three paragraphs and one third of a page in the entire script. And that scene goes on for like five minutes long. But the script was just like, they toss it around like a hot potato. This one escapes. then it all, you know, someone tackles someone and it's over. And so was like three lines of description. And then it becomes one of the most memorable scenes in the movie. By the way, you will find in scripts written by the people who direct them. ah In that shorthand, you will often find just one line, one through, or people who work together often. For instance, like me, I'll write a script that has like three pages of directions for one scene, and then you have to go back and, you know, just need one line. You just need one actual line. And get gold like this. So another fun fact, the production used tilt shift photography to create a miniature toy like effect for cityscapes, reinforcing the game theme. So all those little the things that look like they created miniatures on set of like the suburban house areas or the cityscapes, those are real places actually shot from above. But tilt shift photography is when you kind of blur the top and the bottom and just keep a narrow strip in focus. which transformed to the human eye, everything suddenly looks toy like. So you just use a focusing effect. Yeah. And Game Night grossed 117.7 million against a production budget of 37 million. So a very decent success. Right. And at a critical and audience reception that was largely positive, if not glowing, Richard Lawson of Vanity Fair gave the film a positive review, but wrote, quote, It's a good time, but it maybe could have been a great one, which I suppose is true of so many nights meant to deliver us from the doldrums of settled life, unquote. And on that note. Let's talk about the movie itself. You want to give us Act 1 and then we'll all talk about our takes on Act 1. Let's do it. Let's do it. First question for you guys. uh Are you trailer people leading up to a film? you one trailer people to how much do you want to see or read about a film before you actually see it? Okay, well, when you first said trailer people, I'm like, what exactly? I thought you meant like, you know, do we live in a trailer? mean, you know, no. Los Angeles, there's only one meaning to trailer. That's right. That's a good question. think I want to know it. I guess it depends. Like if it's a Shakespeare film, I kind of already know what's going to happen. But um I want to know enough to be intrigued. But I don't want to know. There are some trailers where you're like, kind of think I've seen the movie now. And so I like it when they when they leave a little bit to the imagination. So it's enough to get energized, but not so much that you feel like you don't need to see it. I mean, I actually prefer to read a little bit about it. mean, watch it. Yeah. I rarely watch a trailer for the same reason. But if I can read a little snippet of it and I know who's in it, you know, that doesn't seal the deal, like who's in it or not. But that I like to do that. Typically, I don't think we watch the trailer on this one. Well, mean, I guess, Joe, did you watch the trailer? Because you held it back, right? You held it in reserve. Yeah You know, I don't know. I can't recall. I can't recall. I'm taking the fifth. You Well, no worries, given all that, let's get into act one. All right. Max and Andy Davis are avid gamers who meet at a bar trivia and become engaged during a game of or after a game of charades. Their plan to conceive a child, their plans to conceive children are complicated by Max's feelings of inadequacy, which leads to infertility, of course, because that's what happens, apparently, compared to his very successful brother Brooks the couple regularly host game nights with their serial dating friend Ryan and married couple Kevin and Michelle sterling they struggle to keep these nights secret from their socially awkward police officer neighbor Gary Kingsbury by the way favorite character in the entire film especially after his painful divorce from their actual friend daddy on one such night when the attendees are meant to arrive incognito to hide from police officer Gary brother Brooks arrives radio blaring, tire squealing in Max's dream car, less alerting police officer Gary Gary that he is indeed being left out. Brooks then humiliates Max with a childhood story as brothers do during game night and offends Annie, who assumed Max had been exaggerating his issues with Brooks by offering to host the next game night himself at his much swankier place as more successful. to do. So we're gonna get into some thoughts here of act one. That's how this is gonna break down going forward. I'll start us off here. Act one is for me at least sweet. It's irreverent. It's peppy, sort of like a peppery jam. It also gives me hints of like the movie Clue. If you guys are familiar with the movie Clue, I'm sure you are. You cannot be unfamiliar with the movie Clue. ah Not at our age anyway. not allowed. It is. It is very old. Yeah, it has to be like at least 40 years old now, right? 40, 45 years old. These two people seem cut from the same cloth. So I was initially thinking something that contained grapes from the same or similar parentage, perhaps something like a zen or primitivo, because because I was in the camp that assumed and thought that Zen and Primitivo were distinct. And uh anyone out there who's listening, probably know that there's been lots of conversation about the Zen and Primitivo uh grapes through the years and whether or not they are genetically the same or genetically different grapes. Zen and Primitivo, were you ever, was there ever any discussion or thought that the Zen and Primitivo grapes were different for you guys? Well, this is what I would say about Zin and Primitivo. we are, uh Carmela's family is from Puglia, and we went there this summer. So we had Primitivo in the homeland of Primitivo. So I think our inclination was always towards Primitivo. And I think with Zinfandel, because it's such a kind of California, it's been such a California wine and like sort of big and jammy and bold and very, it was not. often my favorite wine, but our daughter went to Cal Poly in San Luis Obispo. And on one trip, we brought Carmela's parents along and Carmela's, this is a long story. So Carmela's dad is sort of the inspiration for me loving wine. And the two of us, well, actually the four of us, my mother and father-in-law, Carmela and I, we went to Turley Winery in Paso. So Turley is like, the Beesneys. Like that is great wine. We went to the tasting room, had a fantastic time. People were super nice and fell in love with the wine. So I would say I'm a Primitivo guy, but I'm a Turley, a Turley fan. Yeah. Turley is the standard bearer, I think. They're like the one to beat in California Zinfandel, no question, in terms of like what the grape can be versus the typical Zinfandel expression. And just for our listeners, because scientists have already figured this out, there's no debate. is Zinfandel and Primitivo are... Okay, okay. Yeah, they are by DNA the same grape, but they are clones of each other. Clones are effing difficult to wrap your head around because they're vines and vines are Nutter butters and they do things that very few other plants do. So a clone is basically it's the same variety. But when you take a cutting of the original Primitivo from Italy, which at one point was an original cutting from the Croatian grape and a plants in Italy, if it stays there for long enough, it will adapt. to the environment and start to express itself differently and genetically vary in small ways shift. So it's still the same variety, it is a different, know, kind of like how human beings can have slightly different genes in them that are like slightly different from each other. A clone will be that. And so it was Primitivo that came over to America originally, but it has since adapted. And if I have in my glass right now, a bottle of Temecula California wine that does say Primitivo. And so that means it's probably a cutting from a nursery relatively recently that is still Primitivo that they planted in California. And because it's in recent history, they don't they still consider it a Primitivo version of the grape that is now, of course, there's still the to war of California that is going to be a little different, which is another whole ball of wax. But anyway, Joan Carmela Act one, you're about you're you're just gotten to the point where the game night is going to happen at Brooks. We've done all the setup. thoughts on this movie at this point. was already sold. think I was sold. And Jason Bateman, I can just look at him and he makes me laugh. So yeah, I just and I loved their chemistry out of the gate. And even though like our sibling relationships are not similar, you know, like we didn't really relate to that that um clash, you know, with the brothers, we do have some of the traits are qualities of ah Jason Bateman and Rachel McAdams chemistry or their relationship. I was sold. What do you think? Yeah, no, I, and now question, um when do you consider the end of the first act? Oh, so when Brooks offers to do the the night at his house next, but we have a house. Yeah. Okay, okay. So at that point, yeah, I mean, I think there's, there's, yeah, I don't think I was quite as sold yet, because it hadn't gotten really good yet. No, but it was intriguing enough that like, oh, something's going on here. There's like sibling rivalry. There's drama. There's a crazy neighbor. Like the whole like the Tostitos thing, super funny. Like there's just enough goofiness. Like Brooks, I told you not to. saying, you know, like, what are you doing? Like, there was enough to be intrigued, but I think it was. It was meat on the bone, Yeah. Okay. were both awake still, and that was big. We were like, OK, we make it through. We might actually do this. And did you go into this viewing? Did you already have thoughts on what you might pair it with? Don't reveal what you're going to pair it with, but did you have any? You can feel free to drop hints and tidbits. Did you go in already knowing what you thought you would pair it with? did you in the first act, did you have any thoughts yet of what you thought you might do? I did. Yeah, I think we both did. think we did. won't say it. I think so. I think we did. Yeah, I think we did. Here's one other quick question on that, Dave. What were you using to sort of, in terms of your pairing, what were you going after in terms of ah which wine you were going to pair? What was your instinct? I would say that we were looking at what wines they were serving. Each time they were getting together, we were looking at what was going on with what they were drinking. The thing was, they're drinking different wine throughout the movie. We wanted to relive on our 30th watch. Every time there was something they were drinking what they were drinking what they were doing while they were drinking and what they were eating with it So we just knew we had ideas, but we didn't we weren't we wanted to watch the whole thing through I think it was a little bit more for me. It was a little bit more vibe. Okay. What's the vibe? And on that note, yeah, the vibe, like for me, I thought this was very much it's a very much a comedy of that time period, which are comedies that I like quite a bit. the Lord and Miller comedies that were all coming out around that time, Judd Apatow, it's goofy, it's frenetic, it's like over the top. It's ah but also there's a certain groundedness to the emotional content, to the relationships. Like it's actually telling a serious story, but couched in absolutely absurdist means and absurdist content. um So at first, my thought, for the first act, I was like, good God, this could be anything. Like I could do a red, I could do a white, I could do a rose, I could do a sparkling. It kind of could all fit. But I did pick up on the sibling rivalry element of the whole thing. So I started thinking, all right, maybe like two sibling grapes. didn't know which ones, but same parent, but one bigger and badder and more respected than the other. And the other one kind of struggling to come up in that shadow and dealing with his own. insecurity. My first thought was kind of Pinot Noir Pinot Meunier, which Pinot Noir obviously being the famous one and Pinot Meunier being the Johnny Come Lately that like no one even knows exists, but is frankly often like stellar, like sometimes even better than Pinot Noir. But the only problem is I kind of wanted to wine where both those grapes were in the same wine, whatever they might be. And the only time you see those two together really are in sparkling wines like champagne. And I the life the lightness, the effervescence that would work. But I was sipping a dark rose at the time when I was first turned the movie on, kind of Tavel style rose. So it was like that, you somewhere in between a light red and a really dark rose. And I was like, yeah, I think I want it even darker, though. I think ideally I'm feeling like this movie is going to go somewhere a little dark. So let's let's get a little body. Let's get a little boldness. So I was veering in that direction. Fun random fact, just so you guys, I don't know why I'm even bringing this up. When we were in Italy, when we were in Puglia, uh I think it was your cousin brought out, we were having like a seafood dinner and we had a Primitivo Rosé. And it was awesome. Yes. Tivo Rosé. Especially if it's a I'm assuming it was a little darker in color, like definitely not Provencal style, right? Yeah, I mean the color was light but the flavor was different, right? was more tannic, a little bit more body, but anyway, total tangent, sorry. putting Putting that on the list, we definitely are gonna find one of those. Honestly, Italian Rosato is like, prefer that over French Rosé like every day of the week. It's just it's always got more going on. Like a nebbiolo rose is one of the best I've ever had. Yes, I had a rose of Alianico recently. I was like, what? What? All right. So act two, when the guests, which include serial date, Orion's new date, Sarah, arrive at Brooks rental house, Brooks reveals that he has initiated an interactive role playing mystery game. The winner is promised his Corvette. An actor enters played by, by the way, an uncredited Jeffrey Wright. Yes, which is bizarre. He doesn't even get credited in this movie. um That is such a I don't know if they just didn't want to spoil that he was in the movie or what, but. There are press releases that he got cast in the movie, but they didn't put his credit. And I'm like, I always wonder how that works a little bit. Yeah. But anyways, that he shows up Jeffrey Wright to begin the game. the actor is suddenly knocked unconscious by two masked men who then kidnap Brooks. Believing this is part of the game, the couples passively observe the fight and then split up to solve the quote unquote fun mystery. Ryan and Sarah visit the role playing company's office. to offer a bribe for the final clue, while Kevin and Michelle, the other married couple, talk to the actor and realize, nope, Brooks' abduction was real. But meanwhile, m unbeknownst to Max and Annie, they track Brooks' phone to a bar and use a gun, thinking it's fake, that Brooks dropped while being kidnapped. They hold his captors at gunpoint and free him, but then Annie accidentally shoots Max in the arm for reals. They realize the gun is real and that they are in fact in grave danger. They flee as Brooks confesses that he is a black marketeer. He procured a Fabergé egg for a criminal known as The Bulgarian, but instead sold it to someone with the alias Marlon Freeman. With his kidnappers in pursuit, Brooks jumps out of the car so Max and Annie can escape. The couples regroup and unable to go to the police because of Brooks' criminal dealings, decide to recover the egg from Freeman to deliver to the Bulgarian and thus free Brooks from his current plight. So they show up at police officer Gary's and distract him with the pretense of a game night while Max uses Gary's police computer to discover Freeman's real name, Donald Anderton and Anderton's address. But only after Max accidentally bleeds all over and I mean all over Gary's dog from his gunshot wound as well as the shrine dedicated. As well as the shrine dedicated to his ex-wife, Debbie, the group leaves and receives the kidnapper's call to meet them in one hour. And I will say one of the laugh out loud moments of this movie is when the dog shakes. my you're just, because it's that one extra note that you're like, this is funny enough as is. And the dog shakes and you're like, that was that one step too much. Yeah, just when you thought things couldn't get any worse, they got worse. Yes, 100%. All right, act two, guys. What are your thoughts? Now we're into the blood, Joe. What did you think? It's like, this is where the movie just kind of goes off the rails and when I really started to love it, because everything is so over the top and outrageous that it's, you know, everything from going to the murder mystery place to the fight. Like it's just everything. The bar scene where they're like, like, you know, where they are finding, everything is over the top. so, yeah, like there are some takes in that. that I think are the best part of the movie. When uh Ryan is pushing the dollar bills across. God, that is so funny. mean, it's classic scene. And then the whole, you passed over our favorite scene, which is the bullet, trying to extract the bullet, and she starts tapping on it. Yes. We love that she used a chardonnay because you know, I don't know if you know, but we're not huge chardonnay fans and we're like, that's what you should use a chardonnay for. Is it high enough alcohol to cauterize? I wondered about I'm like that probably has residual sugar in it. I don't think this is good uh It's going to really hurt a lot, but I just love it because there's so much character development in that second act, and there's no weak link. there's no... Everybody is pretty funny, you know, and pretty solid, and there's great chemistry between all the couples. And it's one of those things... We did not watch it in theaters. We watched it at home for the first time. We've never watched it in a theater. And I think you can't be in a theater because there's so many of these... Oh, my gosh! Who? mean, you're just like, you know. You let it rip in the theater. You just do all That's makes it so fun in the theater. Because it's kind of exhausting. It's not like a kickback like, this is so sweet. I mean, we are kind of in it. When we watch it, we're like, my God, oh, you know. So that portion of the movie is just so much fun. My turn for a side note. When Jurassic Park came out to theaters back in the 90s, that was one of the few movies I went back to a couple of times to see over and over has been like five. No, no. I'm older than that. I'm older than that. That was 95, so I was almost graduated high school at that point. So not quite that young. I ain't that much of a spring chicken. I dance like one. Don't reveal the number! Here we go. Oh, there you go. There you go. Really? Bro, you guys don't look that age. No. Wow. I told it like the song said you don't guest enough where you get to get fluffed. This is this is what this is you come here for. Right. my side note when I saw one of the times I saw Jurassic Park I'm glad it wasn't my first time that might have been annoying on the first time but it was like the second or third and there was some lady in front of me and she had one of those screams that was like And every single time something happened with the dinosaurs. I was just like, oh my God. Like the whole theater was cracking up and just like turning and looking at that. And just like, Like we were, she was more terrifying than the movie at that point because it just kept ripping. But it was, I never forgot that experience for that reason. So like it really is, it can be a really great thing to just have that, know, whatever your reaction is. I love that. It's nice that she brought joy because some people are like, down in front or whatever, you know? So that was a good thing. I think if she was doing it for to try and get it like you know there's ways of doing it to get attention or like shouting dumb things at the screen which no one wants to hear but the scream the scream was so real like that was just what she did and yes she was in a theater and I'm like I don't know if I'd want her in every theater I'm ever in but my god this is an experience I've never I've never watched a movie with someone like this before ah Okay, so while we're on a tangent, want Carmella to tell you her story about Jurassic Park. 95. 94, 95, something like that. because the first no 93 year I was in college we were not married yet so it was earlier in the early 90s when the first one came out and I had just gotten back from a semester or quarter away in Italy just because I was studying Italy and I came back and I went with a bunch of friends to that show that night and yeah it's a loud show right it's dinosaurs and about a third of the way through I'm like She fell asleep. She fell asleep. out. Are you kidding? I'm like, look, just thought off of a, 10 hour flight and they're like, I mean jet lag jet lag does everyone. Yes. Yeah oh it. I have seen it the whole thing, but that first time, no. Okay, good. not going to judge you too loudly, there is judgment in the room. for you to after that though is any new thoughts on your wine pairing or were you still were you on that were you on that same path? was pretty much, for me, was pretty much on the same path. I did kind of waver a little bit because of some things that we've talked about. I stayed on the path. Did you stay on the path? I think we did. think I did as well. I liked his other, he did suggest something else during that uh act and we talked about it, but I think we stayed on the same path. All right, cool. And then just to go in a different order this time, I'll do mine, you do yours, Dallas. uh So yeah, as in this case, Act 2, the stakes are increasing, the plot thickened, I definitely decided yes, I wanted my wine to thicken. So definitely a bolder red, uh nothing harsh, but intensity would work something you know, that had more than a white rosé or sparkling was ever going to offer me. So and I had a thought on the sibling rivalry element and a bold red. I had a bottle of it, so I cracked it open. And after the rose, after the dark rose I was drinking, and it turned out to be a better pairing than I even thought it was going to be. That comes in act three. So this is the one I stuck with, but I thought it was a good pairing. And then act three hit and I was like, this is perfect. So I'll reveal more then, but Dallas, your thoughts here. Yeah, usually I am if I've got a couple of bottles open or I've got things available, I'm tasting things and I'm being obnoxious, of course, ah as is my way. Dave can attest to that. ah But ah this time, I think I chose really well because, ah you know, the wine I chose had some really solid pepper in it. And I knew this film, the plot for this film is going to heat up after Act one. ah So I think um I stayed pretty steady. I did not find the inclination to sort of change much. And I think I chose pretty damn well. So I ended up staying with my uh first choice, which is very jammy, very fruity, very peppery um and uh solidly high in alcohol. guess not technically high, but you know, I haven't had wine in a very long time and a long time is about two weeks for me. semi-dry. January, damn January. Yeah, exactly. So yeah, I stayed pretty pretty solid with my choice. Yeah. We're sticking with it. We're all sticking with it. sticking. This is act three guys, so here there be spoilers. You have been warned. This is where the spoilers come, guys, so... Three, two, one. The group sneaks into Anderton's mansion where he is hosting an underground fight club. That's right, a fight club. This was a bit of a punchline payoff for a joke running throughout the entire film. Of course, searching for the egg, Michelle and Kevin, who are the other married couple. Michelle admits to Kevin that she once slept with none other than Denzel Washington while they were briefly separated. But when she shows Kevin a picture of the guy, Gavin happily declares him to be a lookalike and not the real Denzel Washington. Fun fact, the actor in the photo is a Denzel Washington impersonator in real life. They're all over LA. I actually live with a couple of celebrity. I live in a building with a couple of celebrity impersonators and it's kind of weird. is. uh But separately, Max tells Annie that it's not just his inferiority or infertility complex. He may not be ready to have a child. But then serial data Ryan spots the egg in an open safe leading to a game of hot potato, as we've already referenced, or keep away with the Andertons guards. The group escapes with the egg but accidentally breaks it, revealing a written list of names inside. That's right. The egg. was fake. The group meets with Brooks and his captors only to be captured themselves. Brooks reveals that he has always been jealous of Max's life and intended for him to win the Corvette all along. Then police officer Gary suddenly arrives and saves them all but is shot in the chest. Max and Annie comfort him by promising to invite him to every future game night after which Gary reveals that he hasn't in fact been shot. that this whole kidnapping and shootout was staged as a part of Gary's own interactive game, including hiring the kidnappers to track them into letting him rejoin the game night. By the way, hats off to Gary. I love a good plot. Anyway, Gary is however confused by the existence of the list, which he recognizes as a witness protection list. And they are suddenly cornered by the real Bulgarian Michael C. Hall for you guys who... Don't know. is the actor from exactly. He's just fantastic. Anyway, Max offers a list in exchange for their lives, but Brooks thinking they will all be killed anyway, swallows a list and is taken to the Bulgarians plane plane where they intend to carve the list out of Brooks's stomach. But questioned by that time, isn't it just sort of dissolved by stomach acids? Max and Annie race to the airport in the dream car Corvette. Okay, don't want to know why you know that, sounds creepy. Stop the plane, subdue the Bulgarian and his henchmen and rescue Brooks. In light of all the night's revelations and the success of rescuing his brother, Max realizes he wants to be a father after all. Three months later. Brooks is under house arrest, but somehow has sold the witness list on the black market. Forget it. Three million dollars, though only after tipping off the witnesses to their danger for an extra 20 grand each. He hosts a game night for the group, including police officer Gary and any reveal she is pregnant through a game of Pictionary. But then armed men pull up in a car outside. OK. And actually quick quick quick side thing I just wanted to say I know about the paper thing because my cat has pooped out paper. I know it goes in one and out the oh sure Dave, sure, sure, sure. I just put on the ears. now we know, now we know uh So real quick here, I'll start. Just by the way, in Italy, they call Zinfandel Primitivo, of course, as we've discussed. Well, most of the time in Europe, they're allowed to use the two names interchangeably now, but American wineries aren't allowed to do the same. There was a proposal to allow this in California, but it was never adopted due to pushback from winemakers who thought the two grape clones were too distinct. Primitivo, especially when grown in Italy, tends to be lower in... alcohol 13 to 14 % and give darker fruit flavors though less fruit forward in general coupled with earthly flavors like licorice. By the way, I despise the flavor licorice and the only way I enjoy it is in wine. Yeah, the only way I can enjoy it is in wine, which is very curious. The note I should say with baking spices. New World's Infandel tends to be hotter with 14 to 17 % alcohol. Yeah. Percents. That is, wow, it's beautiful. I didn't say it. crap. All right. That's because I've had two glasses so far. Nice. I am doing the uh OZV. You're not going to be able to see this. The Old Vines and Vindel from Lodi. Of course. A very accessible little wine here. um It is... uh It's kind of beautiful. It's a Blackberry Jam is sort of dominant or first, I suppose. You get this sort of intersection of like jelly and chocolatey kind of thing. There's a solid pepper on it. It is this one is 13.9. I think 13.4. No, 14.5. Wow. 14.5. Nice try. So I know. 14.5. I seriously right. It's a solid little sweetness. The mouth feels pretty creamy, solid tannins. Again, there's that peppery kind of thing, which I enjoy. And it is insanely drinkable, which is why this is my second bottle in two days. ah it's a problem. the way, I wanted to say that in the spirit of the wine pair podcast, for which your own podcast where you do only under $25 bottles of wine, we made sure our pairings were under$25. So all your listeners can find these bottles and we'll be willing to check them out if they so choose. In general, you can find this guy, the OZV Old Vine. Oh, sorry. OBZ Old Vines and Fidel from Lodi for anywhere from between between 13 and 19 dollars. Wow. It's it's a solid little little doozy here. um Yeah, that is my guy. I'm sticking with it and I'm wonderfully surprised by this guy. So, yeah. Hey, what you got? Let's have you guys go next after that. So Joan Carmela, what what did you choose and why? Well, we did kind of stay with the same wine throughout the movie, but we did pay a lot of attention not just to the feel and the vibe, but what were people eating? What kind of foods were actually in? There's a scene, like the first scene is Tostitos and salsa, but they have a red wine and that feels kind of weird. Like, I don't think you should do, maybe you could do a light red wine. salsa? Yeah, maybe, but it's kind of... Right. then, they go to Brooke's house and they have, she says, this is good champagne. And then they have the big thing of cheese. Right. And then they go, uh, what else they, uh, well, there is the scene with the Chardonnay. Yeah. And then when they go, when they go to the, um With Rami. With raw meat, yeah. uh Yeah, they go to the fight house, whatever that guy's have, they have like a boar, like a big pig, you know? So we kind of went back and forth on a few things. We did think really hard about, like Carmela said earlier, maybe we do Chardonnay because we just love that scene and it's so funny, but we do hate Chardonnay. Well, we don't, we don't hate it. you. Thank you very much. So if we were going to choose a Chardonnay, we would have chosen a Chablis, like an un-oaked Chardonnay. But we went, we didn't want to go with that. And then we thought about like, well, a red, if we did a red wine, it'd probably be something a little bit like you had mentioned some of these Dave, like something a little lighter, like a Pinot Noir might go with some of these foods and the cheese and the pig. And then we thought we're going back to what we thought from the beginning. And that's a sparkling wine. And by the way, as you said, a classic sparkling wine, like a champagne style wine. would have Chardonnay in it, would have Pinot Noir in it. And so we're sticking with it. because we are the Wine Pair podcast, it's Costco Kirkland. Go for the Yes By the way, guys, that MetaPomi episode was fantastic. Oh, that's awesome. We also, you know, we drink, we drink sparkling, especially Kirkland. I mean, any day of the week, it doesn't matter. But we did, we do feel like this show has some celebrations going on amongst all the heaviness. They get married. Yeah, they're going to have a baby. It's a rom-com. Right, exactly. So was kind of like, you know, had that effervescence, that kind of fun factor to the show. And that's kind how the movie makes us feel too, kind of bubbly. So even like with all the heaviness of the, you know, the kidnapping and the... oh her it's heavy. uh The events should be all be a tragedy. If this wasn't absurd and done in an absurd style, this is like street crime, dark drama. If this was really happening, would all be terrible. But then they do it so absurd. And it works. laughing at all of it. That's our wine. And you know what? also believe champagne or sparkling wine gets a bad rap that it's kind of a celebration wine or it's a before. But you know what? If it's a good wine, you can have it all the way through the movie or all the way through the meal. Right. agreed. I will say uh Chardonnay is one of those grapes. I feel like Chardonnay and Cabernet Sauvignon because they were the king and the queen of California wine of American wine. And that brought us back, you know, from the brink of prohibition and all that fun stuff. Those are the two that now like you get what you pay for. Totally. And so there is no truly good affordable Cabernet Sauvignon or Chardonnay. And so I mean, if you're That sounds like a challenge to our listeners there, Dave. You just said there is no good affordable. All right, that's a challenge to our listeners. Not as good as the other wines at that same price point. And that's where it becomes a problem. And that's why you're like, I don't like Chardonnay. I'm like, don't blame you. Unless you're spending $680 bucks a bottle, you probably don't like your Chardonnay. This is probably true. ah All right. Well, to bring us on home here, darker red. I knew I wanted that with sibling grapes. ah That could have been said to have a sibling rivalry with each other. One seemingly more respected and successful than the other. giving the other an infertility complex. And then that plot twist in Act Three came. And technically, the fun thing about this movie, there's only technically one plot twist. Yes. That is just police officer Gary. Yeah. And then the second twist is really just the thing we actually thought was going on all along. Right. It's just a reveal. Also, it's true. On top of the plot twist with Gary. So then it plays out like there's multiple plot twists. but there's just one plot twist. And thankfully the wine I'd already chosen came with its own plot twist on top of having two sibling grapes. So I chose ah a predominantly Carminiere wine, 85 % Carminiere with 15 % Cabernet Sauvignon. They are both from the Cabernet family. They both have Cabernet Franc as their parent grape. um And I got the Cancha y Toro Gran Reserva Carminiere 2021. roughly goes anywhere from 16 to $20 a bottle that you can find. These are sibling grapes. obviously, Sevignon Blanc is the other grape for Cabernet Sevignon. It's a very rare grape. That's the other grape for Carmignan. No one's ever heard of it. So really doesn't matter. But Carmignan, the fun fact about Carmignan, and here's where the plot twist comes in, is that it is today mostly you're going to find it in Chile. It is one of the original Bordeaux grapes along with Cabernet Sauvignon, but they don't grow a lot of it in Bordeaux anymore. That's barely in France anymore. But Chile really picked it up and made it its own, except they didn't know it was Carminere. For the longest time, they thought they were growing Merlot, which also fun fact, also part of the Cabernet family. So it also could be one of the sibling grapes. um But until the 1990s, when they finally DNA tested all the Merlot in Chile and realized it was Carminere, So if you ever find a bottle before the 1990s that says it's a Chilean Merlot, you're pretty much getting Carminiere. I stumbled upon a magnum of 1985. I didn't buy it, but I was like, it was kind of cheap, but I wasn't sure how good Chilean winemaking was in 1985. So was like, yeah, I'm probably gonna pass, but it was a giant magnum of Chilean Merlot. And I was like, ah, ah, ah, that's fun. Because that's probably not gonna actually be Merlot. You know, this wine, was... Carminiere from Chile. The thing I like about Carminiere and the reason it goes, you can find a good cheap version of Carminiere versus something like Cabernet Sauvignon is it's not as well known and it comes with a sort of smoky and spicy undertone that is not present in Cabernet Sauvignon. Well, it does still have a little bit of that green bell pepper, that astringency that that whole Cabernet family of grapes is known for on top of the fruitiness. So Chilean Carminiere, you you got red and black fruit in there. It's juicy, it's dense, but it's got that smoky and spiciness. So it's got that little bit of complexity and fun that is often lacking from just the big, bold Cabernet Sauvignon, which are kind of a bit too one thing coming at you. And Carminere, it's got a bit more of a diverse flavor profile. So yeah, I think, and Carminere is the sibling that comes out on top in Chile. And it's the underdog. It's the one no one gives respect to. Yeah, exactly. So he's the Jason Bateman. of the thing. And so this is the 85 % carmineer. Yeah. that is so that is deep cut. is once again, country Torto. And we actually, did in the way back mission, we did do an episode on Carmen Yara. I think we may have to bring it back, do another episode on it. It's kind of an interesting little known red wine that I think a lot of red wine drinkers would probably appreciate if they knew anything about it. I agree. em I always do. There's these wines that I always say have a burnt rubber note, which is kind of the smoky note, but I always sometimes think of it as burnt rubber. Pinotage is one of them. Carminiere is one of them. And they're so undersung. Pinotage admittedly has only gotten good in recent years. Carminiere, think they figured out a little earlier. So it's been good for a while. um But I love both those grapes and they're so underappreciated. I love them so much. Awesome. Hey, beautiful. What were your laugh out loud moments on this movie by the way, yes, just out of curiosity So many of them. many, definitely the, you know, when they're trying to extract the non-existent bullet. Tapping on the bone is maybe the- What is that? we love that conversation with the two of them. then also when they're the airplane when they're getting on the airplane in the visit when he's trying to give them they're doing the charades. Yeah. And they're she's saying a couple times, he's trying to get that thing to fall down, right? That big bear or whatever it was suitcase. he's like, he says something like That's a slow bet. a sli- um And then the other Yeah. Well, then there's a point. This is so Jason Bateman. But she said he says something, she says something to him. And he she goes, and he says that hurts or something like that. That's hurtful. Something like just like one little phrase that he says is so funny. Jason. Also when Rachel McAdams, the guy is gonna kill her and then he gets sucked up into the engine. no! Oh no, he died! Yeah. I think for me, it's so fantastic. Jason Bateman, is sort of the king of processing in the moment. You're seeing him actively process things, and that's part of the comedy, and there very few actors who kind of do that so well. I think the laugh out loud moment for me, which trumps all the others, is the moment in the office with the blood and him trying to find the uh list of names. That just... uh That's just beautiful. Really good, I mean, the poster has the dog between them. Exactly. They knew they. they knew the moment. They knew the moment. Yeah. Yeah, And the only other thing I'll throw in there is I actually really appreciated the running joke of the unbreakable glass tables. I actually laughed out loud. was like, can't believe they remembered that. That is hysterical. you had mentioned that, but there were a lot of things that get paid off in the third act. Like they're just jokes that keep setting up and setting up and then they hit. Yeah, it again, that's what sort of reminded me of Clue because every joke that they sort of set up, even the sort of minuscule sort of tiny ones, everything finds its sort of conclusion and everything's tied up in a nice little neat bow, which is a testament to the ensemble comedy and the sort of the directing team, the writers, this all around. It's just a great little comedy. It is a great little action comedy, I suppose. Yeah. I'm so glad you guys like it too. Yeah. When we chose it, you never know if somebody's like, oh God, that doesn't sound. was was fully expecting to hate it. was fully expecting to absolutely hate it and judge you guys silently after we finished um In the same way you hate the horror and the blood and the guts this is very this is way too mainstream for Dallas normally is, yeah. Yeah, I think I started it with someone when it first came out and I was like, absolutely not. Yeah. We forced you and it worked! worked! It did, it actually worked. Thank you. doing these podcasts, you know, you taste wines, you wouldn't absolutely. Absolutely. Like we watch things we're exposed to things. That's why I like the guests to pick. Yeah, guess sometimes be like, what do you want to watch? I'm like, No, no, no, no, no. I can do that any night. Exactly. something and throw it at me. It really is. It's a curious. We call this our curious little corner of the world because we have found over the years that, as Dave said, it forces you to kind of take a second glance at things you normally wouldn't and whines normally wouldn't. And the intersection of those two things is kind of the sweet spot because you aren't necessarily focused on either one of the things totally. So it's a curious little corner of the world and we like it. So thanks for coming in and joining. So fun. Thank you uh We had a great time Thank you so much and tell our listeners before you go, where can they follow you? Where can they find you? Where is the wine pair pod? Well, you can find us anywhere you get your podcast. we're on whatever Spotify, the Apple podcast, Amazon, whatever, whatever you listen to, you can find us. can go to our website, thewinepairpodcast.com, uh Instagram. We're on Instagram and Blue Sky at The Wine Pair Podcast. And you can always email me at joe at thewinepairpodcast.com. And you know what? We always answer. We always ask Dave. I do. I email them constantly and they're they're kind of they they constantly answer. It's amazing. How that works. All right, guys. Well, thank you so much for joining us. And you know what? Let's exit the way we entered because we got to do this properly. That was Joe and Carmela Mele from the Wine Pair podcast. You should be listening. They always think too much. They always drink too much. They all. always play too much They always play too much And when they're with us too much we fall You sound amazing in this song. Thank you. Thank you. So it's good we finally got them on the path. Yes, it's good we finally got them on Touch, we hunger for the touch, we hunger for the Thanks so much for listening everybody. Once again, thewinepairpodcast.com. That's where you can find them. entertainmentstudios.com is where you can follow us and our sponsor curated-wines.com. Thank you so much for listening. 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