The Mick & Pat Show - The Internet is Dead

Remember when comment sections were places of camaraderie rather than battlefields? When passionate hobbyists would write 3,000-word forum posts about their experiences, and strangers would genuinely engage with them? The internet has transformed dramatically, and not necessarily for the better.

In this thought-provoking episode, we explore the increasingly popular "Dead Internet Theory" - the belief that the majority of online engagement now comes from AI bots rather than real humans. We share personal experiences that support this theory, from the suspicious patterns in YouTube comments to the dramatic difference between online engagement now versus a decade ago.

The evidence is compelling: generic usernames consisting of first name, last name, and a few digits dominating finance video comments with identical scam setups. The increasing difficulty for content creators to gain organic traction without paying for promotion. The rise of self-censorship as users weigh whether expressing an opinion is worth potential future repercussions. All signs point to a fundamental shift in our digital landscape.

Beyond the internet's transformation, we delve into recent government changes, particularly focusing on leadership reshuffling at federal agencies like the FBI and ATF. These changes may signal shifting approaches to information regulation and could potentially impact how online spaces are governed moving forward.

Whether you're a nostalgic internet veteran or simply curious about the forces shaping your online experience, this episode offers valuable perspective on our digital reality. Are you interacting with real people online, or just sophisticated algorithms? Listen now and decide for yourself.

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Transcript

Speaker 2 0:49

sometimes I see stuff on reddit of people like commenting like you're none. Of you are real like you're all, it's all. You're all bots, bro, just all bots having an argument yeah, um, I do believe the internet's dead actually the internet is dead.

Speaker 1 1:09

I believe majority of quote-unquote accounts on the internet are now bots, just bots and fake stuff. I'm actually going to start doing this thing. It's called Mixed Miscellaneous.

Speaker 2 1:21

Yeah.

Speaker 1 1:21

And it's just going to be videos edited to the background of. Well, videos will be edited and it'll be me doing whatever right shooting guns, driving around, whatever um, cleaning guns, painting guns but the conversation will always be about, uh, you know, something else. Usually, and the first one I want to talk about is the dead internet theory, which there's a lot of things out there already talking about it, but now I just want to talk about it from an experience thing of how you can probably experience that the internet's dead.

Speaker 2 1:57

Yeah, and I think the Gen Alpha folks are kind of going to be the first ones to be done with it in a big way.

Speaker 1 2:08

Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 2:10

As far as it's existed their whole life. But it's also existed in this horrible state of like, misinformation, just like, littered with, like you're saying bots, craziness. It's old news and so for them it's like what's the big like? No, I don't think I need that thing. They're just going to have a robot in their house to like answer questions or whatever.

Speaker 1 2:43

Like you know, because the tool of the internet is shifting 100%, because I don't see this anywhere more clearly than when I am looking for very niche, obscure information for, like, a certain gun build. I'm doing right Mm-hmm, and what I see is that I will go. Maybe you guys can all hear Takani in the background wailing. My dog is unhappy that she can't see out the windows. But what I see, more than anything else on the internet, is like I'll go to these forums and these forums are long story tale forums, you know, with like people having written on them in like 2008, and they're like story for you all about. You know what I, how I learned about my mid-length rifle gas system, yada, yada.

Speaker 1 3:39

And this dude dude, you know whoever he was. He went to this forum and he wrote, you know, a 1 000, 3 000 word story recap, very well written actually. You know what I mean. Yeah, not just like internet garble speak, but he rewrites this and to his credit. You know the forum, the people who are reading it. They watch and like read through his whole thing and then respond and engage with them on it.

Speaker 1 4:07

And I genuinely realized just the other day I was like the internet, like before there was like easy, streamable video on the internet. You used to just read stories and like write out long stories where there are stories of your day, right, and like people who'd be like yeah, duh, blogs, like no, but like dude. I don't think a lot of people realize that, like the generation above, like before millennials, used the internet as, like the whole internet was essentially a slow chat room, um, and or like basically like a shared diary, yeah, that you got to let other people engage them, but you got to like remain anonymous on, and entertainment for the internet wasn't super fast, constant, you know, uh, appetizing videos that you just get to scroll through, scroll through, scroll through and like short meme images or whatever. The internet hardly had any images Like it was just the forums with, like you're very small, like not even 256 pixels, probably like you know, a 16 pixel by 16 pixel avatar, six pixels probably, like you know, a 16 pixel by 16 pixel avatar, um, and it was just I thought like I had like an epiphany moment where, like there was a day probably when a lot of these forum users were like damn, not that many people are watching my, like reading my stuff and engaging Right, I guess I got to make a YouTube video when YouTube was coming out Right and the first

Speaker 1 5:31

like video blogs are coming out and then the vlogs now I think, are feeling it because engagements down and no one wants to watch long form content. You got to get it in under a minute, yeah. And well, even podcasts are feeling that too. Like you, you see, like podcasts are. I would say podcasts are past their peak, like, and I know that may seem strange because a lot of people like, oh, dude, like, but they're like the podcasters have all the influence and authority.

Speaker 1 5:59

Now, the way you know, primetime news anchors used to have like, yeah, but like they, they had that before you realized it, and now that everyone's kind of realizing it and everyone's trying to hop in on the game of it, it's like kind of one of those things where I feel like it's uh, you know, people are getting on the train, as most people are getting off, like, because podcasters are getting off right, they're becoming directors of the fbi, like if you're leaving podcasting to be a deputy director, like I think podcast has gotten as high as it can get, you know.

Speaker 1 6:33

Anyways, all that said that's a long story to essentially say like I had an epiphany moment and in that epiphany I realized there's a good chance, that part of the reason why podcast is dead and like there's not going to be a return to form for these other types of content is because the internet is dead and it's just literally full of ai jabronis, um, that are just like arguing with each other back and forth and it's nothing ever. Oh my gosh, my dog is literally attacking pat right now with her love.

Speaker 2 7:12

Yeah, I mean, she's not attacking.

Speaker 1 7:14

She's so gentle and like she just wants attention, but I I have no idea what's going on has she ever tried to run on you like does she bolt out the door? Like not come back, she doesn't bolt out the door, but there's been a couple times on leash where she has gone spooked and wanted to run away. Um, I can't think of a time where she's tried to run after something, though.

Speaker 2 7:38

That's one of my least favorite traits in a dog.

Speaker 1 7:41

It's like the desire to leave you Just the runner yeah. She wants a seat at the table. Dude she wants to get on mic.

Speaker 2 7:50

This dog is giant. She's getting up on the table.

Internet Evolution: From Forums to Short Content

Speaker 1 7:58

She's 80 pounds. She's actually like you see other anatolian shepherds and you'd be like she's kind of runtish. But then you see you're next to like a golden retriever. You're like she's a really big golden retriever oh yeah, no good dog.

Speaker 2 9:39

Yeah, I think what the internet thing too is like. I mean, obviously, like the internet the word the internet is almost too broad of a thing now right, like because we use networks, and, uh, I mean watching netflix, that's the internet. Or, like you know, getting your email, that's the internet. Whatever, like you know, um, there's so many different things, but, like the internet as we know, it is shifting, changing. It's not just this.

Speaker 1 10:11

Like, it's not a new frontier, like, did you ever grow up playing flash games on the computer, like internet flash games, or did you have, like those, blocked?

Speaker 2 10:21

um, I played some.

Speaker 1 10:24

Yeah, like those are all dead and gone yeah, there's like one single website now that is a repository for a bunch of those that got backed up before they got annihilated, but all the flash game sites are dead, right, and that's how you know.

Speaker 1 10:37

Also, like something changed?

Speaker 1 10:40

Yeah, because that used to be the thing where you go play the game and you leave a comment, and that comment was literally to talk crap about the game or to talk crap to other people playing it, and it wasn't live, right, there's no way for it to be live and you leave a comment and you probably never go back and read it.

Speaker 1 10:54

But it was just a way of like a mild modicum of interaction for those things and those are completely gone and we're used now to like the instant notification of a reply or response to something and you kind of like have to pick your battles of what you're going to engage on now, because there's so much. It used to be, I feel like for the internet. There was no, like there was no having to pick your battles. It was like it's just here and like you can browse and surf as much of it as you want and you have all the time in the world and if you don't like this game, you just click back and go pick the next game right there, there was like an age of camaraderie too.

Speaker 2 11:34

Like the comment, the comment section used to be a place of camaraderie, yeah, you know like, but because it became, even if even if you had something negative to say, it still was just like.

Speaker 2 11:44

But now it's just like. If you're not the world's leading expert on whatever thing you want to make a comment on, or if you're also not the world's leading expert on whatever topic you're going to post about, you're going get it's like before. Like used to be like kind of like whatever someone would. Someone would just say like oh, this is, this was so cool. I remember something like this and someone's like yeah, me too and the other guy. They start talking like yeah, this is exactly how it was back when I, you know, lived in x town in missouri. Yeah, like, oh, no way bro. Like that's where I'm from too. Yeah, and like. That was like the kind of like connection.

Speaker 2 12:25

The comments were a connecting place, not a place of just straight like just art, like senseless, like yeah it's like the end of Rome, the Senate, and the end of Rome, yeah, when they're just all like idiots arguing in a room. That's the comment section here's.

Speaker 1 12:43

Here's how I think the internet's a dead. There. I had a youtube channel I made growing up as a kid. Um, you know what I'm not even gonna. I'm not gonna play any of the videos here because I don't want any of those. I don't know if some people want to be associated like. It was me and kids, right, like we were. We were in middle school or high school, yeah, making these videos, so, like, some people might not want just to be aired out on the podcast as, like, from their childhood days, right, yeah, um, but I know that, um, some of them have tens of thousands of views and I know one of them has over 500 000 views. Yeah, and they were very low effort. Well, I guess I'll say they're a lot of effort for a middle school kid, but they're very low effort for, like, the kind of content, quality and production.

Speaker 2 13:33

Now, right, like low, yeah, exactly yeah and um, it honestly was.

Speaker 1 13:40

It's one of those things where, like, I look at it now and I'm just like dude the re, why? Why is it harder to like, get viewership and, you know, spread um, you know, uh, a conversational or engaging piece of media, um, nowadays than it was then, because then it felt so much easier to like post a video and you know, you get your first hundred views or engagement or whatever. And now it's just like dude. It feels like if you're not paying money to grease the wheels or making the like latest trend algo, or making it your full-time, go at it, yeah.

Speaker 2 14:19

Then it's like so many people are like I quit my job and I just went for it all the way. It's's like, what about having a hobby, you know? Or like, yeah, to make it happen, because it is hard too, like in those spaces, like in the whole world, do you even exist if you don't have, like a following Right?

Speaker 1 14:42

Yeah, the number one video on here 324,000 views nice, that's.

Speaker 2 14:47

That's a good chunk of views right there, and but it was like zero effort, man.

Speaker 1 14:52

You know it was crazy and it's just like you see that and like what people loved back in the day and people freaking love that video yeah, and it was just like that's bonkers.

Speaker 1 15:02

To me that's unreal, because I do think the content that we make and a lot of content out there that I've seen a lot of people on YouTube make, I kind of enjoy finding the smaller users who only have a couple thousand views, maybe only a couple hundred, on stuff. Sometimes it's really high-quality content but for some reason it doesn't get picked up by that. I'll be honest. It doesn't get picked up by that, like you know. I'll be honest, it doesn't get picked up by the bot feed.

Speaker 1 15:28

The bots aren't constantly watching it and flushing it and like, when they're watching it it gets pumped up in numbers and views and stuff and then it gets disseminated to normal people and because bots don't do that and like they click on it and then they click off or something like that, because they don't think it's going to have like higher ad return revenue or whatever, because of content related to the description or what people are talking about, Then it never makes it to the designated audience and I think that's so sad because that is like there's no soul to it. And then you get these content creators who are making great stuff and it's getting slept on constantly. I don't know. It's just in that I genuinely think like the Internet is dead. Because of that, my number one post on Reddit is a prank video.

Speaker 1 16:16

Of course even though I've commented on, like I've had like super engaging posts on Reddit regarding, like unique AI models that I was working on and trying to resolve certain like problems and, like you know, some really great, like highly educational stuff, that was really, I would say, like new to the content or of like the of the domain right, like we've had conversations there that I know were like the first conversation of a certain topic in AI and like those posts did not get remotely the same amount of engagement or leverage.

Speaker 1 16:52

You know that, haha. Prank video on reddit got it is I don't know. It could be just like, yeah, that's user base right, but also it's one of those things where I'm just like dude. I genuinely believe like most of the engagement on the prank stuff is just bots reposting it and it's a lot harder for a bot to repost and know where to put questions about machine learning, algorithms and certain context uses. Anyways.

Speaker 2 17:20

Yeah, yeah, I think choice, yeah, yeah, I think, uh, it's weird. Yeah, it's not dead in that it is now 90. It's, it's a.

Bot Comments and Fake Engagement

Speaker 2 17:34

It's so integrated into our lifestyle but because of the fact that it is so involved now, it is, in a way, it's dead too you know it's just like, yeah, there's certain parts or certain places out there on the internet where it's just like it's not worth your time or your engagement and and, yeah, it is funny when you do get on, you click on something and, like we said the beginning of this, where it was like, oh, I think every comment on here is just fake accounts arguing with one another, you know, and and it's, it's a pretty wild. That's even a thing like my, my brain, my, like my quote unquote, like generation, and I'm kind of like loving myself a little bit older folks in there. It's just like I don't even get it. It's just like it's just so silly to even think there's a world that exists where there could be, uh, people fake things arguing on the internet that are actually influencing the success of information getting out to people and I think, and that's exactly what it is.

Speaker 1 18:43

I think, right, it's like it's a lot harder to whip up and generate. You know real users to be fake interested about something, so that way it's promoted on different platforms. It that requires more effort and more policing of those people to keep it like the hood on it or the lid on it, and then to do it with bots, though, where you know bots are never going to accidentally slip out and be like yeah, actually, like that was like you know a couple hundred of us all working together to like cross promote this thing everywhere. Right, it just be no dude, it's just an automated thing.

Speaker 2 19:28

You flip a switch and then just blast this link out to a million different things with, you know, thousands of engagements on each one. And yeah, I think that it's changing in the way we consume information, the way everybody sees. Stuff Like the bot is also becoming ineffective because people see through it, people see, people know what they're looking at now.

Speaker 1 19:48

Yeah, for sure. And so, and I think a lot of that um well, have you, have you seen any of those things on YouTube where it's like have you, have you ever watched like a finance video on YouTube?

Speaker 2 20:02

Yeah, I've watched a few, yeah on youtube.

Speaker 1 20:09

Yeah, I've watched a few.

Speaker 1 20:09

Yeah, most finance videos are predominantly filled with long comment back and forth setup scams by bots and it's always like a first name, last name and then three or four numbers afterwards and someone's like man, this is really good stuff, but I just wish I knew where to start. And then the reply to that is like yeah, me too, if I honestly, I'm just trying to get into you know crypto, but I'm having a hard time figuring out the proper day time trades. And then someone's like hey, you know, I actually just made six figures over the last year by following this person's advice on this. Here's the link. And it's like oh, yeah, I've heard about her.

Speaker 1 20:46

She's a great like cryptocurrency investor strategist. And it's like how do you talk to her? It's like, oh, I just get a hold of her through whatsapp. You can get her at her, like through this whatsapp number. And it's, of course, going to be like a crypto scam where it's like give us a thousand dollars, we'll give you ten thousand back right, yeah um, but you look at that you're like, okay, right, this is, this is spam.

Speaker 1 21:05

You go to the next comment. Pretty much the same thing, same setup, just a different name, different number right, yeah and you just keep going down and all the usernames for those youtube accounts. They're all first name, last name, like two to four digits afterwards and it's the whole way down. Never in any of those is someone's name. Like monkey, platypus eats brains for dessert you know what I mean like yeah, like dude.

Speaker 1 21:31

I remember my first like youtube username was just goober stuff, you know, and that's what everyone did for the like usernames that's what because everyone wants to use real creativity and it's like guaranteed. When you're looking at youtube and someone's like just a first name, last name, numbers, it's like, yeah, but, and that's that. Honestly, scroll through the comments that's overwhelmingly the majority of comments and you go to their channels. They've never created anything.

Speaker 1 21:56

They've never really created a playlist, even I'm like bro, I don't even trust things that don't have playlists, because if it doesn't have a playlist, that means it's not even actually liking any videos, because if you like videos, youtube creates an automatic playlist of liked videos, right?

Speaker 1 22:10

So, anyway, all that said, I'm pretty sure majority of YouTube's fake. Now, yeah, and it's kind of weird to say that, but I'm mostly positive and I think too, like when we were marketing the podcast, which it's very hard for people who don't know to market a podcast, um, but we have solely marketed through google ads and marketing through google ads, there were times where I saw literally the let's say, I gave it a hundred dollars for one week of advertising and like trying it's supposed to push the podcast out to people who were, you know, looking up things of like related tags and all that people who'd be interested in the conversation. That would fill up in a moment, and it would always fill up, like if I said you're like, yeah, it doesn't matter where you advertise, you can advertise anywhere in the world where the language, where english, is spoken would immediately fill up in india and it'd say we got like a thousand people from it.

Speaker 1 23:13

Even if you go to our subscribers right now and scroll through our subscribers, a ton of the subscribers on youtube are just like bot accounts from india and I think someone figured out whoever they were like. However, they were shopping out advertising Google was. I think they figured it out because then we started doing advertising and it got stricter and stricter and then we got our pee-pees slapped because we were trying to mark like we're trying to advertise episodes where we were seeing, like Donald Trump, joe Biden, kamala Harris, and we were told that that was not okay and then YouTube banned us from being able to advertise and so now we don't get as many views on our stuff, but also now all of our views are at least like a real person finding the content through their algorithm, which I just don't know what's better, right, like it feels good to have 10,000 views on one of our episodes on YouTube alone.

Speaker 1 24:14

It's also, though, meaningless if of those 10,000, 5,000, 6,000 are just bots.

Speaker 2 24:20

Oh yeah, like I had to delete a comment the other day. I looked into it. I was curious about the, the efficacy of this program. Uh, this guy commented on there. It was like whatever, it was a random video of ours, it's like, um, the comment was something along the lines of I've been using such and such's book the last three months and it's been exactly what I needed in my relationship and I was like what the heck is this comment? I'm going to have to delete it. So I go click on it, like the thing. Actually, I didn't click on the link. I searched the person's name. They were suggesting it was hilarious. It was this thing of like the, whatever, the exploring the female orgasm.

Speaker 2 25:11

Oh my gosh, Whatever I think, yeah, no, I remember you telling me about this it just was like delete comment, you know, whatever, because yeah, it was one of those things, exactly what you're talking about, which is a bot setting up an advertisement for something just like that's not real and has absolutely nothing to do with what we're talking about on here and we'll see. There's, I think, that like in the vein of you know, like maybe being censored on ads and things like that, or bots and information. You know, I wonder how the future landscape is going to look on big tech stuff like Google, meta, tiktok, instagram, whatever and Twitter X.

Speaker 1 26:02

Well, it's like they're not even hiding it now. They're like advertising that you can engage with as many fake you know accounts as you want. We're populating it with ai users now. It's like what? Yeah, so it feels less dead.

Speaker 1 26:16

It's like that's gonna have the opposite effect, oh yeah this is me, a bunch of computers talking to each other, I mean already the internet has a ton of people acting like there's no consequences, but there is a, there's a little tinge, I believe, in almost everyone who uses the internet, of like. Should I really say that like? I do think that is exist in almost every kind of degree. No matter how like, shameless people are on the internet, I still think there's a matter of like oh, there is a person on the other end of this, and what if they're psychotic and I like set them off the deep end and they like stalk me down or something?

Speaker 2 26:51

right, because I comment maybe 0.25 percent, even less maybe of the comments I want to say like I mean like, yeah, less than a percentage, like the amount of times I've written out a comment and they just delete it.

Speaker 1 27:07

Oh yeah, I don't need to say this, yeah and and guess what?

Speaker 2 27:10

I was right my argument was sound.

Speaker 1 27:12

Yeah, but it's. It's like one of those things like what's no one cares no one cares exactly, they're gonna read this and like they're not even gonna reply.

Speaker 2 27:18

And you know what is wasteless and the other parts being like, especially if it's uh or they're gonna respond with my, like, actual coordinates.

Speaker 1 27:28

Yeah, they'd be, like I know you, I know your house right.

Speaker 2 27:31

That or or to be like.

Speaker 1 27:33

The only thing this will ever do is to like give away my position in the future, meaning yep yep like you know, people could backlog search it and be like oh well, like you said this here, so like you're a racist, yeah, yeah, yeah like like, yeah, that sort of stuff like has like to.

Self-Censorship and Online Expression

Speaker 2 27:53

That's why I rarely comment. We've talked about this before. I rarely comment because, especially I I comment on things that don't matter, things that like like videos like that are funny, whatever, have zero importance, I'll throw something out there, but things that I actually hold a real, true opinion about, that I feel down deep in my soul about what needs to be said here. I don't say anything because, like, yeah, fear of retribution in the future, you know.

Speaker 1 28:23

For sure.

Speaker 2 28:24

And I don't care about what the other keyboard warrior has to say. Yep warrior has to say yep, but yeah I and also I'm like I'm. I'm just not gonna engage with the keyboard warrior thing, even though I want to. I'm also not gonna open myself up and invulnerability to the future, because we know that stuff that gets out there, stuff that gets put out there, is in there in perpetuity, so that it could be found way down the line and who knows, you know how or how it's going to be used in the future.

Speaker 2 28:55

Right, and that's why we also even on this, on this show, we try to be fairly diplomatic and or moderate and stuff about what we say, and we and we share our true opinions too, but like just the like yeah, we share opinions, but we try to keep them with like within the context of like.

Speaker 1 29:13

You know we're we're open to being wrong and we're open, like.

Speaker 2 29:17

Our context is always like hey, this is what we believe, but like it's okay if you don't exactly, and so the that's why I don't comment on stuff, because you're just like I would like to engage in this conversation, but engaging in a real conversation. In this setting, all it's going to do is nothing good in the near future and in the far, far future.

Speaker 1 29:38

Here's my thing, and I think this is what you're alluding to, maybe to some degree. Also, bro, you're so gassy, I know you were like both ends. You were just stewing tonight. It's bad. What's up? You and my dog? Both are out of control this evening.

Speaker 1 29:58

But my biggest thing is I see the comments on like videos or posts and people just saying blanket stuff of like you know a video where like some guy goes to rob a house, he gets get shopped right and then they're like sirs. I'm right, honestly, I would have just fucking blown him away and then put like the gun in his hand. You know like they say stuff like that and I'm like, oh my gosh you know I see people on red Reddit constantly saying stuff like all right, folks, let's just freaking march down to there and just let's do it, bring our guns, and we'll just kill Trump ourselves.

Speaker 1 30:37

And it's just like yo, yo, quit tattling on yourselves Now. Do I support either of those people? Likely not, right? I don't support murdering someone and then framing them to have had the intention of doing you harm so you could get away with crime, and I certainly don't support, uh, treason. Um, you know, I don't support assassinating the us president, right?

Speaker 1 31:05

Um, all that said, though, sometimes there's things where I do see and I'm like, hmm, like you know, someone's like, oh man, it was, like you know, catching a predator video right where they they do a sting up and they're like, honestly, I could never do this, because if I ever found out someone was trying to sleep with my kid, even if they didn't touch my kid, I'd freaking, bury their body, you know, in concrete, and just like, let them die.

Speaker 1 31:29

And I'm like, bro, you ever do it actually in a context where, like you're justified because they were touching your kid and like you were out of anger, took action and you know, you saved your kid from what they were trying to do to him, but you killed him in the process. Jury's still gonna pull this up and be like, oh no, he was primed, he just wants to kill anyone who looks like a pedophile right. You know I mean, and so like all that, I see all that stuff. I'm like keep it to yourself. Yeah, keep it to yourself. That doesn't need to be written out like you can have that opinion, you can have that opinion. That belief doesn't need to be written forever on the internet oh yeah, that's what even I do like.

Speaker 2 32:04

All right, big time reddit feed big time. You're talking about the lady saying she's going to uh dc this april or no this march to shoot trump no oh my gosh, bro, it's, it's all right you tell me this feed and I'll find this one r radon oh yeah, oh yeah oh yeah oh, let's get into the drama of our radar.

Speaker 2 32:28

Oh my God, dude. So uh, um, I am technically an expert on mitigation and measurement, whatever, but like, uh, it's just, uh, I don't even I rarely comment on there. I peruse it, I check it out. Somebody's like needs help figuring out how to do a system on there, and I'll just like, sometimes I'll help, I'll say something, and then, most of the time though, it's just even in that tiny microcosm, tiny, tiny, tiny. I mean, there's like maybe a couple thousand people, like maybe two, three thousand people on the whole thing, right, and it's like, um, people get in arguments, people are yelling at each other about all this stuff.

Speaker 2 33:13

It's funny it was the other one man last night. This one hurt me. We were getting basically people were asking what they should do, blah, blah, blah. Someone was like, hey, you should really consult a professional. Other people were like these people don't even know what they should do, blah, blah, blah. And someone was like, hey, you should really consult a professional. Other people were like these people don't even know what they're talking about. Like they take a two hour course and they're certified bubble, like you know. But anyways, it's just like, even in this tiny little like silly community of people trying to get information like the comments go off the rails Lots of people don't know what they're talking about. Lots of people are way overly concerned about radon, you know, and radon gas is a I mean the business of it. You got to consider, take it seriously and get rid of it. Some people are like so overly serious about it and others are like so nonchalant about it. I'm like why are you even on this feed if you're so nonchalant about?

Speaker 2 34:17

this like it's just so. It's just so. Anyways, even in the area where I actually truly am like what defines an expert? 10 000 hours, right? Yep, sorry, I'm an expert on now. I've never been an expert on anything in my life, right, but this one I can say I'm an expert on, not the science of how the molecules work, but I'm an expert on getting it out of your damn house and anyways, it's just hilarious. Even in this little tiny space, people just say stuff that are so silly, offhanded, um hurtful to others, um misinformation, and it's just anyway. It's just. It's hilarious to to deal with the, so I just don't engage it. Most of the time?

Speaker 1 35:09

yeah, I mean, because what is there to gain? You know what I mean. What is there really to gain for you and engaging?

Speaker 2 35:14

that and in this case, for me it would actually be like the only reason I comment the most on this thing on that one reddit, because I actually do know what I'm talking about and there's people on there earnestly asking questions about how to make their house safer and they're concerned about lung cancer and they want to deal with it.

Speaker 2 35:35

So the um, uh, that's the. I do feel like it's. It's the one tiny place where I'm like, hey, I could weigh in. I have a really down to earth like approach and I and technical ability ability and I could help this person figure out what their problem is. And so, because I feel like in that space I have the capability to do it, then I do engage it. And then it's funny the amount of times because, like you were saying earlier, how on the internet you get like an instant notification of your comment, like you'll say something and then some rando off the wall, is just like trying instant notification of your comment, like you'll say something and then some rando off the wall. It's just like it's trying to start an argument with you and you're like, bro, I'm just trying to help this guy who asked a question yeah, yeah, no.

Government Reform and Big Tech Changes

Speaker 1 36:20

I mean, like, the craziest thing is like sometimes you get into these conversations this is how I know it's a real person, right, like when on reddit or something that when I'm talking with someone and I say something in a position or a belief and then that person says, no, dude, that's totally stupid. And I'm like, uh, care to explain. And then they explain my exact position and belief as like why I'm wrong, but like but like. They say like it's their own. I'm like like I think you misunderstood, we're saying the same thing. And then they are like oh, I'm an idiot, you're right. That's how I know it's a real person because, like, they have the ability to go back and reread and then formulate an opinion, whereas, like sometimes I'm just I've read it and someone's just like you're stupid and gay, and I'm just like you're stupid and gay and I'm just like, okay, but like why? And I'm like never a response, ever to those ones.

Speaker 1 37:16

Like there's never a response to like the most lowest hanging like. I think my favorite one is like when people it doesn't matter what you say, you can say something. If you're a Democrat, you say something about the president that you liked during that administration. Or if you're a conservative Republican, you say something about the president that you liked during that administration. Or if you're a conservative Republican, you say something now about the current administration. Everyone's response to you that's a bot is just going to be like okay, bootlicker, it's always okay Bootlicker.

Speaker 1 37:39

The same thing it doesn't matter yeah, it doesn't matter which side of the spectrum you're on, and it's. It's just crazy to me, because you try to engage with that person, like they, of course, never have anything to say. It's just like they are either you know someone who's not capable of like having a real conversation or engagement, or they're just straight up an actual bot, which, yeah, that opens up to another conversation which is speaking to you.

Speaker 2 38:06

Out there, people, are you a bot? Are you just how many? You know, well, meaning, meaning, like, someone makes a comment and then your, your response back to them is okay, fill in the blank, fascist, socialist, nazi. Well, you know, whatever you want to, whatever word you have to to to fill in. Is that just your initial response and are you just a bot responder? You're, you're, you're actually a real person, but your only capability is to respond. Only as good as a bot and I think are are most of people who are running this country. Their best ability to respond is as a bot, like just this pre-programmed response. Um, and I think, and I hope maybe I'm showing a bias here. I'm hoping it changes a little bit right now. Okay, now, I don't think all the people. There's been a huge swing in who's in charge and what's happening in the government. I don't even agree with all of it that's happening. Maybe, maybe I do, maybe I don't, but I Maybe I do, maybe I don't, but, but I uh, maybe I do, maybe I don't.

Speaker 1 39:34

You'll never know.

Speaker 2 39:34

You can't, you can't can't guess, and so the um, but I do think it feels like the bots might be being eradicated a little, the human bots the oh, like you think, like the human trolls are being beaten by Skynet, like the Skynet bots are beating out the human troll. I think so. Okay, I think so. Imagine, imagine the.

Speaker 1 40:01

Terminator versus just trolls.

Speaker 2 40:03

Yeah, I would love to watch that movie but I and also what I'm saying is, I think that we're having some major government reform right now.

Speaker 1 40:12

Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2 40:17

And there's been on. People left and right are all can be pre-programmed to say whatever they want to say, but we're coming out of a left-leaning administration, leaning administration, and so the pre-programmed lefty bots in the government are now kind of being a little bit eradicated. They're a little bit scared about what's going on and I think that it's going to be interesting to see a couple things happen in response to actually stuff we've been talking about just now. With big tech and big social media platforms, things like bots, misinformation and free speech. I'm curious if it's actually going to open up back into more free speech, more true information and less shadow banning, things like that going on, or if the pendulum's just going to swing all the way to the other side because just because you get rid of um doesn't matter left or right, censorship is censorship, and so, um, all of a sudden you have guys like zuckerberg kind of being like based, kind of conservative all of a sudden.

Speaker 2 41:58

But so are these media platforms just gonna like just swing back? Are they just panderers? Are they just gonna whatever, whoever's in charge kind of realize that oh, if we go against the grain, we lose out revenue and top dollar, and so we're just going to become organizations that just swing to either side? Or are we actually going to hold a line on giving people their First Amendment rights, ability to know what's going on, to have open, uh, discourse, and so we'll see how that goes? But also with some of these, the, there's a bunch of kind of a new regime coming in. Regime's kind of a nasty word, but I mean, that's what.

Speaker 1 42:45

This is the term that everyone's using, though you know and it is.

Speaker 2 42:48

That is what it is. It's a. It's a it's because it's coming down pretty hard on a lot of folks and, um, I'm curious how these new appointees are going to. Um, what are they going to do? Are they going to do the stuff that the american people popularly voted them in to do, or is it just going to be the same old story right?

Speaker 1 43:16

yeah, no, I agree. I mean, and I think they are, though I mean, like the truth is is like it's already happening like Trump and Elon are doing exactly what we voted for them to do, and I also know that's like a big thing that a lot of people are like, well, you voted for this and he's doing it now. You shouldn't be surprised. I'm like I don't know anybody who's complaining on the conservative side. I've yet to meet one person on the conservative side that voted for Trump, and I'll say this as someone who, you know, didn't even vote for Trump. I'm happy about what he's doing, um, but when I talk to people who voted for him, I'm like I've yet to meet one who's like I'm actually kind of upset.

Speaker 1 43:55

I'm like yeah, I think all these people knew this was going to happen and, like everyone, was like, all right, there might be some hard times, you know, to get it done.

Speaker 1 44:02

You got to gut stuff out and when you gut it, there's going to be a vacuum for a minute, yeah, yeah, and then in that time in the vacuum is uncomfortable, yep, but it. It's like if you can supervise what fills the vacuum and make it better than the whole, than what like left the whole behind, then like I think that's what people are looking for. I don't know, I maybe your experience is different. You voted for the guy I'm well. Well, you voted for the regime. Pat Pat, you voted for this Are you happy, I'll say I did.

Speaker 2 44:38

I hadn't voted for him in the past, this time around, hey, something had to change.

Speaker 1 44:44

See, I did vote for him in the past.

Speaker 2 44:45

Yeah, and the thing here would be I do like, for the most part, what I'm seeing, but and we talked about this a little bit with Dean on like, the way that it's hitting individuals is rough. Individuals is rough and what I don't. What's happening with some of the big doge cuts that I didn't want to see is firing the grunts. The grunts get work done. Now let me say entry-level people are the worker bees, sometimes Comparatively to the C-suite guys. So when you have organizations like the CDC, they get mandated to make cuts. Who are they cutting? Lowest man on the pole, okay, I see that I understand you're cutting out like your entry-level people, but how about the like the bigwigs? Do they all matter?

Speaker 1 46:10

What are they getting done? A lot of them are getting cut, though.

Speaker 2 46:13

But not as much Meaning like what's the number on the Forest Service Rangers who've been cut?

Speaker 1 46:19

Oh, I think it was something like almost 8,000 cut across the whole country.

Speaker 2 46:23

So Forest Rangers. I would like for those guys to have jobs and I think what they're doing kind of mattered Versus, like, and I have no idea how the Forest Service not the Forest Service, but National Parks is structured Not the parks, but it's, you know, your Ranger Ricks, the people who are on the kind of bottom worker bee floor I don't know if cutting them is as important as getting rid of there's bigger fat to trim.

Speaker 1 47:05

I wholeheartedly understand what you're saying. I have to disagree Because he's cutting.

Speaker 2 47:11

it's not just him, his whole um cabinet right now it's, it's it's not just trump, right trump doesn't just make actually trump actually makes probably not in the majority of these decisions.

Speaker 1 47:21

He's signing off on it and is, you know, letting his signature be like the the whole, like effort of force, um, but he just fired chief of staffs. He's he's been firing us generals from the army and navy and air force left and right, so they are hitting some of the big dogs. I think he's. I don't think a lot of people understand like every big dog is getting hit. I know big dogs that are getting hit. I know big dogs who were, you know, people I reported to as a consultant weeks ago that are no longer in those roles right today.

Speaker 1 47:59

You know, and it's one of those things where it's like, uh, and a lot of people are gonna like I don't know, like the thing the problem is is like I don't think a lot of people can conceptualize the grunt and the government work until they work with those grunts, like how many people at the DMV or grunt level and how many of them are effective at actually helping the process there versus hindering it. Right, yeah, and that's just like a very, very front facing, like transparent one. If you look at other industries, there's ones like the post office. The post office is like seriously bloated in a lot of you know massive metropolitan areas with lazy staff that are unionized and can't be fired. I mean, how many people are even getting letters? That's the problem is like. I get my mail out in the country faster than people get their mail in Chicago.

Speaker 2 48:54

And yeah and like how much of that's all junk mail anyways, sure Right.

Speaker 1 48:58

Yeah, and I don't know. I'm just saying like I understand, like people are like bro, not our Forest Service workers. I know dudes who have worked with the Forest Service, as you know, and they were. They're like you know, park rangers for counties. So they're at the state level, not the federal, and I know a lot of them are like bro, they are good for nothing.

Speaker 1 49:24

Like not all of them, right, but like a good majority of them, are good for nothing and are lazy and are not going to want to lift a finger until they get the thumbs up from someone higher up on the totem pole the state guys talking about the federal guys, yeah yeah, um and so, and even smaller than state guys, like county guys, right, and so it's one of those things where, like I, I get it.

Speaker 1 49:47

It's also one of those things like I genuinely believe, like when people are complaining, you know, people are going on and complaining about, like, we were told we had to report the five things we did last week, mm, hmm, and it was due by end of day, monday, and if we didn't, did you see this?

Speaker 1 50:04

It was an email that was sent out by. I'm not exactly sure I didn't get the email because I'm not technically a, you know, federal employee, a consultant, but a bunch of federal employees, even people in the military, got this email saying reply with five things. You did this last week, cc, your manager. Failure to respond to this email with you know these things by end of date february whatever monday was 24th. Date february, whatever monday was 24th, um will result in like immediate termination and a lot of people threw their hands like this is malarkey. This is how blah, blah, blah, blah. And I was like all right, well, just in case anyone asked me, I'll make my list. Yeah, and I came up with five things pretty quick that, like I did, that I thought were very relevant and imperative to the function of my contract. Right, and I know there's people on the government side who couldn't come up with one, let alone three.

Speaker 2 51:00

Let alone five couldn't even lie, couldn't even take the time to make a lie exactly they just and like.

Speaker 1 51:06

So, all that said, like I do agree for the most part when we think of things as, like your ground level workers, you know who flips your burgers. It's not the franchisee guy, usually most of the time of the McDonald's, let alone anyone in corporate Right. Who is, you know, refilling the you know gas tanks at the gas station? It's not the CEO of.

Speaker 1 51:35

Shell or Exxon. Right, it's like the homie driving the truck and knowing how to like pump this, like install the pumps and like pump gas out into them safely without blowing everyone up.

Speaker 2 51:43

Right.

Speaker 1 51:46

The dudes at the government. When you work with them, the dudes and ladies at the government on the ground level majority of them will be equal here. Yeah.

Speaker 2 51:55

Ladies are being lazy too, oh, for sure.

Speaker 1 51:58

Majority of them will fight tooth and nail and put more effort into not having more work on their plate about like this isn't our responsibility, this is someone else's you need to go to this department. About like this isn't our responsibility, this someone else's you need to go to this department, and they will put more energy into fighting that than they would like, even if the task would have taken a tenth of that yeah, of just ownership. And it's unfortunate, man, but you've swayed me you saw, I'm back on it.

Speaker 1 52:24

I'm sorry, I'm back on it and like I, I legit let him. I don't know anyone. I'll say this. I don't know anyone that I've worked with directly. Yeah, okay, let me prestate this. There are people in leadership roles in the federal government who, I believe, did something. I just believe they didn't do it well enough or they didn't really agree to fall in step with this new administration's direction. So they were like, all right. They were like, oh, cause, it's like appointed positions and when a new administration comes in, they just remove the previous administration's appointees to replace what their own. Those people could have been doing their job. They were probably doing the job the old admin gave them, but they're executive levels in the government, right, they're not your peons. I've yet to meet someone that I work with who works hard and is willing to like meet up with me and work through problems and even if we have to sit on the sit on a call for like two, three hours sharing screens to resolve, you know, an issue with a, with a model or a pipeline.

Speaker 1 53:31

I've yet to see any of those people lose their jobs. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 53:35

That's a good point.

Speaker 1 53:36

So you know that's where I lie. You know, because it is just a different environment entirely.

Speaker 2 53:44

Got to earn it. Yeah, all right. All right, cut him. Continue with Operation.

Speaker 1 53:51

Gun Hook I've made him seditious. I've Cut him.

Speaker 2 53:54

Continue with Operation Gun Hook. I've made him seditious, I've won him over. It's like I just get sympathetic for the individual and then also at the same time you know also you're right, you know here's the deal.

Speaker 1 54:04

Would you feel bad if you had to cut one of your guys because he didn't show up to work for three days and lied about it when you asked him, like bro, why weren't you here yesterday?

Speaker 2 54:12

right, yeah, no, you know, and that's that's, that's the way it works in the uh, quote-unquote real world, right, yeah, so, yes, I think, uh, I guess, with my main point I guess being I hope they don't just cut out the little guys.

Speaker 1 54:32

Yeah, I don't think it is broadly sweeping Right.

FBI and ATF Leadership Shakeups

Speaker 2 54:34

So I hope it's also like how about the trillions and the you know the black budgets we don't know about? How about the you know like? Okay, how about, like, let's get into the stuff, the, let's get into all this? Like, I'd like for my kids to have a forest service ranger to show them an antler hell, you know um, that one million dollars that disappeared.

Speaker 2 54:59

that could have paid that forest service ranger for years and years and years for sure let's hunt that down real hard. So as long as that's like, it can't just be a personnel sweeping cut, it has to also really really dig into and I hope it is, and it sounds like it is dig into the other stuff, the weird stuff, Don't you feel like that's what's going on with, like the USAID and the Department of Education stuff.

Speaker 2 55:24

I do. I do feel like that's happening, happening, but for me that is paramount or focus, comparatively to ranger rick, yeah, keeping his fifty thousand dollars a year, I agree, right. So like on that, like, kind of like, and at the same time, yet it is bloated and I could, I could go like full ron swanson on it. It's some some days, you know, yeah, like, do we need any of it? I don't know.

Speaker 1 55:50

Yeah, if I want a road maybe I should have to build the road exactly like I don't know, you know and maybe I get to build it how I want to and my neighbor gets to build it the way he wants to.

Speaker 2 56:00

Yeah and so uh, but at the same time, I, yeah, so there I do, I just I'm, I'm torn and it is a uh, um, it gets delicate for the individuals, but at the same time, yeah, no, something's got to change. And ultimately, on the back end, I think that economic growth will happen there.

Speaker 1 56:22

And this guy, kash Patel, one of the appointees- Appointee of the FBI and now acting he's director of the FBI. Congress approved it. Now he's acting director of the ATF. I don't know if he has passed the congressional approval and now Dan Bongino is the deputy director of the ATF.

Speaker 2 56:50

FBI. And so what I do love, Cash Patel, like six months to a year ago, came on Sean Ryan's show.

Speaker 1 57:02

Yeah.

Speaker 2 57:02

And laid out his plan for the FBI. He was like and I don't know if he knew he was like in the running or not. Now he was connected enough. He might've known, yeah, but he might not have known, which would be totally beautiful, crazy If he did not know that he was going to be in this position, cause it's just like Sean's like basically like, hey, you know FB, if you're a, you know what. What do you think needs to happen at the FBI? You know, what do you think needs to happen at the fbi? And he just laid out this plan in this distinct, like two minute little bit.

Speaker 2 57:35

And that thing has been going viral because now he has the power to do what he said he was going to do in that, yeah, and, and he's starting to make it happen already and it's uh, um, it's going to take time for him to do what he wants to do there, but basically, similarly, he's going to really uh, decentralize it and refocus it on what it needs to be, which is, you know, catching bad guys, you know. And so it's just uh, um, but people, I think, are panicking about it. For some reason. People are like, oh, my God, about a.

Speaker 1 58:19

Brown guy running the FBI.

Speaker 2 58:22

Yeah, I just wanted to make how the turns have tied.

Speaker 1 58:30

I thought people would applaud Trump for being so diverse in his appointments.

Speaker 2 58:33

I know the turns have tied.

Speaker 1 58:36

He's also a brown guy as the deputy. Oh yeah, dan's like that line of like. He doesn't get the n-word pass you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 58:46

I think he's super italian. I think he, I think he's like oh, really someone.

Speaker 1 58:50

I was just reading something where someone said he was black like he was, like an eighth black, I don't know african-american, I'm sure he doesn't care.

Speaker 2 58:58

Maybe I don't know, we'll see. But yeah, this is on a.

Speaker 1 59:08

He's of Italian descent is what it says. No, that's what it is. If he has any black in him, it's not enough. He's Italian.

Speaker 2 59:18

Yeah so he got a WAP in the directory here. I can say that because I'm partially Italian. What's WAP even mean?

Speaker 1 59:30

It was just slander. Oh yeah, Is it an acronym? I think it's legit, just slang from an Italian expression. I don't even think they had it. It's like how they used to call Irish people mix, and that was like the N n word for irish people right.

Speaker 2 59:45

Um, yeah, the I don't think they had acronyms back then, but anyways, I can say it, I'm, I got it. I got that italianese in me um. So there you go. But um and I don't know if I ever actually said that word but uh, um. So these guys in charge of the f, we'll see what they're going to do. It's going to be wild. All of a sudden, it feels like either major podcast hosts and or major podcast guests are all going to be running the country, which is hilarious, like the fact that Theo Vaughn got thanked At the presidential inauguration. That's crazy. I mean full circle. Back To our earlier topic. If in 2019, someone said, hey, theo Vaughn's gonna be thanked For At the presidential inauguration Of 2024, people have been like what Are you talking about?

Speaker 1 1:00:44

Yeah.

Speaker 2 1:00:45

And anyways, it's insane, it's crazy, it's silly. I don't know what's going on.

Speaker 1 1:00:52

I'm honestly like just I know nothing about this Dan guy, I know nothing about him.

Speaker 2 1:00:59

He's a former. I will say this he was a former Secret secret service agent oh okay, all right.

Speaker 1 1:01:05

Okay, I'm not surprised anymore, just totally fine.

Speaker 2 1:01:08

So he has. He has like a government background, um, and then podcast uh host. He was also a was he a chicago cop? Uh, I don't know what all was he, but anyways, he's kind of had Since his Secret Service days he's had a really Kind of Political patriotic Focused podcast, and so I don't know why he he was NYPD officer.

Speaker 1 1:01:47

Bro, okay, I have no care or concerns now Because honestly it's like they say podcaster, right.

Speaker 2 1:01:54

But it's like dude's, not a podcaster Dude had a full-fledged career before that.

Speaker 1 1:01:59

It'd be like you know a lot of people don't that sean ryan was actually like in the military and cia, right. But it'd be like if sean ryan one day got appointed to stuff and you'd be like the podcaster sean ryan and then if you looked at his career, you'd be like, oh okay, that makes more sense now right, you know he had, yeah, he had a.

Speaker 2 1:02:16

Uh, yeah, he was a special agent for the Secret Service, nypd officer and so that's kind of why and that's his background, you know as far as why he, and then he's had a long stint in media. But yeah, so he does. He's not just a, it's not just like if they came to Pat hey, pat, I heard you hosted a podcast. Want to direct the? Be a deputy director of the FBI.

Speaker 1 1:02:47

Yeah, okay, right. For some reason I thought he legit was from E Entertainment. I think he looks like some guy from E Entertainment. You know what I mean. And I was like this is a horrible mistake, Okay, but what would you say if they asked you to do that?

Speaker 2 1:03:06

I mean I'd probably say yes, yeah, no, kidding bro Of course. I'd be like listen, I don't know what I'm doing or why you asked me to do this, but I'm Don't worry, we'll walk you through it. I'm answering the call.

Speaker 1 1:03:16

Honestly. That's why we need you to do it, because if you do it, you know you don't know what you're doing, so you'll be more prone to listen to us when we tell you what to do, To learn how to do it.

Speaker 2 1:03:26

Exactly, and that's why I think the Dan Bongino piece Unmolded clay and I think he's been in the arena a little bit, at least enough he's been the boots on the ground guy in these areas to now have, um, have that, that effective leadership, I like any time. I like any time somebody gets into leadership who has done at least a little bit of you know walking, walking as the grunt, walking as the in the trenches a little bit, and okay, now you're in charge. That's awesome. That's what we need, you know to have. You need mustang leadership. You know, like in the military you got enlisted guys who then become officers, that sort of thing, um, and that's why, like, like the former freaking guy in charge of the atf, steve dedelbach.

Speaker 1 1:04:22

This is the white guy, or the deputy, that replaced him when he stepped down. There's a black dude that replaced him as acting director.

Speaker 2 1:04:30

This is the white guy, but he was in from 2022 to 2025 yeah this gross dude, yeah, I mean the guy who didn't know shit about shit yeah, you like see him.

Speaker 1 1:04:39

He doesn't know how to even like make a gun safe.

Speaker 2 1:04:41

I'll say this he knows about alcohol he's probably smoked a cigar but he doesn't know anything about firearms. And everybody knows the atf doesn't have anything to do with alcohol and tobacco they got. They're dealing with firearms and explosives, um and so, anyways, good, he's from Ohio, um, which is fine, the place of no culture, um, and then, uh, he, uh, you know, born to two prominent attorneys, and then he became an attorney himself and then he became the director of the ATF. Guess what? This guy has no business directing an institution that's supposed to be. Here's the deal ATF is supposed to basically focus on criminal activity Sure, not prosecuting it. Atf doesn't have anything to do with prosecuting it. They don't get to prosecute. And they also don't get to enforce Sure, not prosecuting it. Atf doesn't have anything to do with prosecuting it.

Speaker 1 1:05:44

They don't get to prosecute and they also don't get to enforce Right.

Speaker 2 1:05:48

They're a legislative branch not an executive branch and a tool for that. Attorneys don't have anything to do with that mission set. So wrong guy, wrong place. Sorry, bye-bye, don't, care't, care also, he's still fine. He's gonna go get some other awesome job somewhere else. So good riddance, adios, see you later. Let's get some guys in there who might do something different, you know. And so cash patel, we'll see what he's gonna do. There's talk of atf, basef or FBI basically absorbing the ATF, which wouldn't be a bad move.

Speaker 1 1:06:27

I don't know. I'm not about it, because the only reason the ATF doesn't constantly go after us to like arrest people and do sting operations is because they don't have the money for it. But if the FBI took over that, the FBI does got that monies.

Speaker 2 1:06:44

I could see that point, but also.

Speaker 1 1:06:46

The FBI's got the money to come up with their own sting operations on themselves. I remember when, like the Gretchen Whitmer got people, kidnapping was like Do you remember reading it.

Speaker 2 1:06:58

I recognize that name.

Speaker 1 1:06:59

Gretchen Whitmer is the governor of Michigan, oh yeah. And there is that group who was like, yeah, we're going to kidnap her. And then, after it came out, there's like three FBI agents that were all essentially inciting the whole thing. That were involved in it no-transcript if they got the budget for that they got the budget to ruin our poopy days?

Speaker 2 1:07:39

budgetarily, yes, but how about with the direction the agency both agencies could potentially head.

Speaker 1 1:07:50

I say get rid of both agencies.

Speaker 2 1:07:52

I realize the disbandment of all the three-letter things would be maybe preferable to a lot of people.

Speaker 1 1:07:58

Yeah.

Speaker 2 1:08:01

But if they're not going away, sure, and you have somebody who wants to point things back in a different direction, you could effectively quote-unquote disband a lot of atf stuff, bring it into the fbi and they could actually focus on to the FBI and they could actually focus on bad guys with guns not good guys with guns, the cartel Right.

Speaker 2 1:08:31

And so now you, you could now, yes, whoever gets in charge of it next time could abuse it, but the firearm thing kind of isn't going away in some ways. So, like, could it be beneficial to have, at least to have the, the agencies, absorbed into one another and, uh, consolidated right I mean, I don't know, man, it's kind of like, would you rather have seven heads fighting each other over the food? Right.

Speaker 1 1:09:06

And having to deal with the regulation of seven, or just like the one just wanting to eat whatever is in front of it.

Speaker 2 1:09:11

There's that piece too, but I just think that if the FBI wanted to go after somebody for firearms charges, they could do it regardless of the ATF.

Speaker 1 1:09:19

They don't know, they don't get to. Jurisdiction is a huge deal for these federal agencies. It's a big deal. That's why, essentially, you will never see another agency doing anything when it comes to kidnapping. Fbi owns kidnapping. It's in their mandates. Also, fbi doesn't do security for judges, that's the Marshal Service. But if the guy FBI doesn't do any witness protection, marshal Service.

Speaker 2 1:09:45

Right. But if the guy FBI doesn't do any witness protection, martial service, right also. If the but, then it gets sticky too. If the guy for kidnappings also like creating explosives and known known explosive maker, whose thing is it like you?

Speaker 1 1:09:55

know, like I get it sure, yeah right, that's a crazy criminal honestly. A kidnappy, do bigs bobs.

Speaker 2 1:10:01

I mean honestly can that be new bigs bobs? I mean, if I'm why, stop at one, yeah, I'll say like yeah, exactly, if you're going down the line, just you know, I think most people.

Speaker 1 1:10:11

I just don't think that's the. You know, when a crime is committed, they investigate based on that crime and occurrence and if there's a different case, it gets different.

Speaker 2 1:10:29

That's why you see that's honestly how it happens is like oh, I'm an undercover atf, like, atf, I'm undercover ta. Yeah, it is like that's how you end up with that, right, right, no, it's true. So I think, from um, from a libertarian standpoint, there is the way that libertarian might want to see things to go, and then also I think that if, through combining them, this actually abolishes the atf, I'm okay with that too.

Speaker 1 1:10:53

Yeah, right, like fine, you know, I guess I'll look at it differently, I'll change my perspective, rather than me thinking it's best if the Hydra fights amongst its heads To keep it separate right. Maybe I'll think of this. It's like it's easier to kill a Hydra if it's only got one head. No right.

Speaker 2 1:11:14

But I think that.

Speaker 1 1:11:14

Some people are like kill a Hydra. Is he alluding to taking down the federal government? No, Just the corrupt law enforcement.

Speaker 2 1:11:22

Let's say, cash Rattel and Dan Bongino are taking on the Hydra and they can stick two heads into one space. You know, get two birds with one stone.

Whistleblower Reports on Epstein Evidence

Speaker 1 1:11:32

Sure, sure, I don't think that's going to happen, dismantling us. I do like, though, here's one thing I really do like is that if it does work to push all the FBI agents back out to like out of DC to go out to field offices and stuff, like Cash Patel saying, I think it can become enough of like we do it this way in this office, we do it this way in this office that it'd be hard to like re, bring him all back together. Like it'll go back to the old days when it was supposed to be that way. Right, um, and that's how operated for the most part is like you had your fbi office out in arizona and they, freaking, were cowboys compared to fbi's guys in new york, and now it got super like everyone's based out of dc and we just fly them out in jets, yeah, and everyone's of the same hive mind in dc.

Speaker 2 1:12:24

it's just like gross, you know no, yeah, so I don't know what they're gonna do. Hopefully they do something cool. Yeah, I agree, and uh, you said this. I didn't realize this is do you have other articles on it or just like posts going around about? Basically, now we've got Cash, patel is threatening the power and threatening the old regime and you're saying that FBI reports are coming out, that people are shredding Epstein evidence.

Speaker 1 1:13:01

Yeah, yeah, let me look that up. I'll try to find the articles I was reading earlier.

Speaker 2 1:13:07

And it makes sense because we've all known that other people, somewhere at some three-letter thing, have known more than they've all been telling us, whether it's the full-blown answer to a conspiracy theory, or at least it's a little more than we'd like to know. Um, people know more than the common man knows. So, uh, makes sense that people are kind of getting a little panicky as other people have gotten in charge. We're getting kind of serious.

Speaker 1 1:13:37

Um, yeah, and it's one of those things where it's like, you know, a lot of the big news publications aren't running stuff yet because, again, this is a whistleblower who's reporting to someone who is, you know, then like discussing it on ex-Twitter. Now, world news as well as let me just go to news news, uh, express tribune, um, american prospect and newsweek, uh oh, some of these are a little town hall, though town hall is talking about it, um, but anyways. So the basis is that there is a whistleblower coming forward with allegations that the FBI is systematically deleting evidence tied to Jeffrey Epstein and deleting specifically records of like travel and logs and such Right, which is like OK, so they're straight up hiding who the hell were on, like the records with epstein the quote.

Speaker 2 1:14:45

Unquote the list.

Speaker 1 1:14:46

Yeah, people have been wanting right exactly um, which is just one of those things where it's like I'm shocked. They waited till now. I expected them like I expected. By the time trump got into office, it was like all right, we're revealing it.

Speaker 2 1:14:58

I expected people to be like oh, it's gone yeah, you know what I, a little devil's advocate on that would be. Does the big dog want the stuff shredded too?

Speaker 1 1:15:09

I don't think so.

Speaker 2 1:15:11

Yeah.

Speaker 1 1:15:11

I don't think so. No, because I think there's enough. Here's my number one thing People are deleting it. People who have seen it. People are deleting it, people who have seen it. If there was any credible, truly valid accusations about him being on that list, it would have been out years ago to destroy any Think about that truly any legitimate evidence that would hold up in court that he did something with Epstein to any degree that we see is alluded to with others like Bill Gates or Stephen Hawking. If there was any credibility to that, that would have been out years and years and years ago, with all the other FBI hit pieces they did on Trump, you know. I mean, like the fact that that didn't drop makes me very confident that they ain't got shit in regards to the Epstein stuff.

Speaker 2 1:16:05

My only counter would be with mutually assured destruction. It wouldn't make sense. But right now the left, the Democrats, don't have anything. There's nothing to lose. That's what I'm saying. They don't have anybody now for it to, so they could have hit it out.

Speaker 1 1:16:26

What do you mean? Even mutually assured destruction? They could have just released the Trump stuff and then made sure not to release the rest. The FBI wouldn't have done it.

Speaker 2 1:16:34

But people, if you only come out with him, like out of Meaning, yeah, they'd have their acceptable people, that they'd be like, alright, fuck that. You'd have to have Fall guys at least, but like I just think, a lot of those people are aging out or going away, so I don't know. Granted, once again I'm playing devil's advocate. Here on some of this piece.

Speaker 1 1:17:01

I'll say this I have no faith In the ability to think ahead that far when it comes to the Democrats. I mean, have you seen it? Do you recall Benghazi?

Speaker 2 1:17:13

I've been to the DMV. I've seen the Afghanistan pullout.

Speaker 1 1:17:18

Yeah, there's no ability to think that far ahead, I think. I think if they had that golden ticket to destroy Trump's platform, they would have done it years ago. I think, there would have been other GOP people who would have been like oh yeah, do that, so it could be my time. That's true.

Speaker 2 1:17:31

That's true. You know what I mean? Yeah, and I think he did hang out with them, without a doubt, and even flew on his plane.

Speaker 1 1:17:38

Without a doubt, it is said that they shared flights at one point or another. But here's the other thing. Without a doubt, it's pretty clear that when people asked if Trump was there or present, a lot of people like a lot of those girls' witnesses were like no, he wasn't there, we had no sexual encounter.

Speaker 2 1:17:54

He was on the plane one time I remember, but there was nothing sexual about it, because not every single person, and yeah to the quote unquote list also. Yeah, there's the every single person and yeah to the quote unquote list also. Like there's, yeah, there's the flight log stuff. Not every single person who ever hung out with this guy was.

Speaker 1 1:18:08

But shit, bro. The witnesses came forward were like Stephen Hawking. He was a baddie. Stephen Hawking in his wheelchair, did you not know this? Yeah, bro, did you not?

Speaker 2 1:18:18

know this, I do know it, I do know it, just like I do know it, I do know it. It's just like, and I'm not surprised by it. Come on, Sorry let me do my computer voice Come over here, bitch.

Speaker 1 1:18:33

Come over here, bitch. Come give me a lap dance you know what I mean All right, all right. You have to make sure that sounds computer in the edit. Billie Jean could do a way better computer voice.

Speaker 2 1:18:43

F, that guy, guy, I never liked him. I never liked him either. You know, I don't care about his condition yeah, he's a weird effer nasty even. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he made. He made it further in life being in that wheelchair than he would have out of it. Facts. Is that fair?

Speaker 1 1:19:04

Look how hard Neil deGrasse Tyson has to freaking grift to get a fraction of Stephen Hawking's fame. That's true. No one knew who Neil deGrasse Tyson was before Stephen Hawking died, and then after he died, he went from being like oh yeah, the black scientist guy, and it became like, oh, ndg, I'm sorry, neil degrasse ndt, yeah, um, which also, he's also just a grifter too, but anyways, um, we've talked about a lot tonight a lot of things on the sun dead a uh, the dead internet theory over abundance of AI, you know podcast peaking and the new directors and, of course, the still continued trimming of fat in the Fed by the Trump admin and Epstein.

Speaker 1 1:19:54

Listen here at the end of it all. Oh yeah, I'm sure none of it is stuff YouTube enjoys us talking about. I actually think this whole episode is things that YouTube will not like. So, anyways, all I said, ken, we appreciate you, we're thankful for you. Keep an eye out for Mick Miscellaneous, because I'm going to take that mic home tonight and get to work on those. It'll be fun little drops, but other than that, till next time.