The Mick & Pat Show - Signal Leaks and Splinter Cells

When a medical professional warns against using tourniquets, it raises an alarming question: are outdated ideas still being taught in modern first aid? This episode dives into life-saving medical techniques, revealing the stark contradiction between current tactical medicine and what some healthcare workers still believe. Your hosts share details about upcoming emergency medical triage training that could make the difference between life and death in crisis situations.

The conversation takes a serious turn as they analyze the recent Signal group chat leak involving Trump's cabinet members. This security breach exposed classified information about missile strikes against Houthi rebels, demonstrating how even high-level officials can fail at basic operational security. The hosts carefully navigate this complex issue, explaining why it's neither a "nothing burger" nor equivalent to previous classified information scandals, while discussing appropriate consequences for such breaches.

Global security threats take center stage as they explore how traditionally adversarial terrorist groups are now cooperating in unprecedented ways. The stunning footage of Houthi rebels assaulting cargo ships with helicopters illustrates this evolution in real-time. Your hosts break down the significance of these developments and what they mean for international security, drawing on their knowledge of military operations and intelligence.

The episode concludes with thoughtful reflections on political messaging, international diplomacy, and the human element in security decisions. Whether you're concerned about personal preparedness or geopolitical stability, this conversation offers valuable insights into how security protocols affect everyone – and what happens when they fail. Join us for this illuminating journey through the interconnected worlds of emergency medicine, operational security, and global politics.

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Transcript

Speaker 1 0:48

What's crazy is that people you know just based off of our avatars, are going to think we're both white guys, but they don't know you're black.

Speaker 1 0:55

And I think that's the most surprising thing, for when people come into the studio, especially my voice, why not expect it? Anyways, something crazy. Not too crazy, right, but I was having a conversation at dinner with some friends Billie Jean and I and one of our friends is a nurse and I was telling them about how I'm stoked for the training we're doing on Sunday to do some like serious, like you know, active shooter medical triage training, get a lot of guys experienced on how to apply tourniquets, how to do like a March assessment right, and find like identify injuries and what's going on and essentially do life-saving medical stuff until the pros get there and can get people on ambulances into the hospital. And in that I was talking about how we were doing things in. This nurse was like wait, wait, are you you're gonna use a tourniquet? I was like yeah, they're like I wouldn't do that and I was just like, immediately I was like, okay, like was she 60?

Speaker 1 2:05

no, no she's, she's yelling, but like um, immediately I was like all right, get, let me. Let me just hear it because she is a nurse. And so, like I want to, you assumed she was a nurse, you assumed it was a woman. I mean, you said was she?

Speaker 1 2:17

I didn't even say all right you're gonna say the gender male nurse? Um, just kidding. But no, yeah. So I was like, all right, let me hear her out, because I want to hear what she has to say. And I'm not a medical professional, right, I've just received training. And she's like yeah, the concern about that is limb amputation, about a tourniquet application. Dude, they're reading a book from the 80s. Well, I just, you know, you got to let them. Here's the thing, man, you and I, pat, we might be not in the know about the latest medical training. That's true.

Speaker 1 2:50

Because she did just finish her like nursing last year. So I was like okay, what, if? What? She, maybe she knows something. But anyways, we talked about it and I was just surprised because they are still teaching, like in like wilderness survival shoot. That's like what she references.

Speaker 1 3:08

Reference like she's like I did wilderness survival, first aid, cpr certified, and they're like still teaching don't use a tourniquet if you're at way out in the woods, cuz they could lose their limb. Uh-huh, for having the tourniquet on for like eight hours, I'm like I understand, like you are the professional right mm-hmm.

Speaker 2 3:31

This is your job.

Speaker 1 3:31

That said everything I understand. Like you are a professional right Mm-hmm, this is your job. That said everything I understand from like the training I've done. They've said there's actually never been a case there's not an actual medically recorded case that someone's limb was amputated because of the tourniquet. There was times where, like, a tourniquet was applied and the limb by the time they got back to society had such bad bad like infection and such or there was, you know, such, you know horrendous damage to the limb that they decided to amputate it.

Speaker 1 4:02

But I've never seen anything where it was like, yeah, because that tourniquet was too tight, we had to amputate the limb you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 4:08

yeah, and then the other side of the argument. I was, like you know, I would also wonder too, like if we really broke it down, you know, liter of blood per hour or whatever, right, how much you're losing per hour? Yeah, if that tourniquet leads to a blood infection and your lower limb or your arm or whatever, let's say you got to get it amputated, how long like would not putting a tourniquet on? Would that person have died from blood loss well before that?

Speaker 1 4:37

or, like you know, you don't want to you know, I'm saying it's like one of those things of like you really gotta like play the bouncy game of like, even if a tourniquet is applied and somehow that leads to, uh, an amputation, at least the person's still alive because they didn't bleed out. So I just thought it was interesting. In no way or shape or form do I think she was like wrong in her assumption. I think that is genuinely what she was taught.

Speaker 2 5:01

Right. I think she was maybe misinformed, because Wilderness First Aid has been still doing the no tourniquet thing, which is crazy to me because that is like one of the things I make sure to pack on every outdoor thing.

Speaker 2 5:13

Right, and I could see where, the assumption being, let's say, you're three days from medical attention Right, which maybe that's the case but at the same time, most times if you're injured enough to need a tourniquet, at that point you're getting out fast, and or if you can't get out fast, you know helicopters coming in to get you or something, or something if you can. Um, you know in, in the best case scenario, someone's coming to get you search and rescue whatever. Which, on that note, have your radios exactly?

Speaker 1 5:43

have, uh, have the garment in reach, have radios, have something where you can get you're not going to, you're not going to jail if you uh, you know override a frequency on ham and don't have a license. There's little like laws and codes that protect you.

Speaker 2 5:57

For if it's a medical, life-saving emergency, right, you can use it for sure, for sure, and there's like all sorts of things out there, tech we have um even the, the iphone's getting there like even on, yeah, I.

Speaker 2 6:08

The only thing is is like it's untested, it's right now you know what I mean, because, like you, can't test it without facing super bad legal consequences, right, right, yeah, I'd say that's true, but at the same time, just the capabilities of being in the wilderness and having a satellite connection, emergency stuff. It's like what I'm saying is it's more and more common that you could get somebody to come get you out, and if it's so bad that you need a tourniquet, you need a tourniquet. And because you're gonna, you're gonna and and and I would say too, yeah, don't you? You know, know when to apply a tourniquet also. Right, that might be like the if the training too on. You know, if people panic and there's a bad cut that could have been stopped with pressure and and packing, you know they're, yeah, but then they just go straight for the tourniquet, you know, versus I don't know. I think I'm going to err on the side of tourniquet typically.

Speaker 2 7:01

For sure, yeah, me too If there's spraying or pulsing, or you know we're going towards the tourniquet, and people don't like improvised tourniquets, but if I don't have one, I'm gonna try to do something.

Speaker 1 7:13

yeah, you know, like well, one thing I've always like heard too.

Speaker 1 7:17

That is like if you don't have a tourniquet, one of the best things you can do is put, like a rock or something else that's rather round over that wound hole, that channel and like wrap it, use your belt to like add more pressure, right, and it's not going to be enough pressure, right, not going to be even remotely close to what you could get with like a windlass tourniquet, but it's going to be a lot more on that spot and you still will, you know, hopefully be able to start making your way to go get help. But, um, we'll, yeah, we'll, be practicing. I'm pretty stuck to sunday. We're gonna be doing for those, uh, don't know. Ken, welcome at this point. If you're hearing this episode, we've probably already done this training. Uh, it's probably already happened, but you are, if you're listening to this episode, probably watched our uh, ifac breakdown with our buddies on the podcast. Um, and uh, with that, you know, hopefully you have a better idea of, like, what we're talking about when we're talking, like, uh, life-saving medicine and you know the means for the everyday person to have the tools and knowledge of how to apply life-saving medicine, so that way you can get to the professionals who can do the professional stuff. Um, but all that said, um, we're doing a training and, uh, this training is with a guy who is a search and rescue dude most of the time around, like throughout the year but he also is augmented and gets paid to be uh, what our boy Rice-a-roni was and go and be essentially like a medic on a SWAT team an attachment there so he's got a lot of serious real-world application. I'm pretty sure he was also a medic in the military, if I remember correctly.

Emergency Medical Triage Training

Speaker 1 9:10

But all that said, the training we're doing this Sunday we'll be going over for everyone on our security team. We'll be going over like easy stuff in the beginning, right, like just a diagnosis of the med kit we have on site at the church, which is like a very basic, what you would have in the back of an ambulance, I would say in a single kit, and just like when to use what out of there and what things do. And if you don't have the training to use this thing, don't, don't touch it. But then getting into more of that, like after we do that we're diving into like how to apply a tourniquet on yourself. If you're shot and there's no one around and you got the tourniquet, how to put it on yourself properly, how to put it on a buddy, how to identify where the injury is at and the proper level of application of that tourniquet. Then also, moving on from that we'll be doing like a bunch of injury assessments and like moving through stages of like essentially like basic emergency, uh, medical training, right.

Speaker 1 10:22

So like, if there is still an active threat, how do you, what's your priority? The person who's got, you know, an aortic bleed coming out of their armpit or thigh, or the dude who's shooting, still, the priority is to stop that guy from shooting anymore. People, right, um, and if you can't stop him, then you need to wait, you need to stand by until the threat's over before you go in there, start trying to do triage, medical, um, and it's like that kind of stuff that we'll go through. And then we'll do a bunch of scenarios, um, some that are like very unlikely to occur, right, but like just good scenario, uh, thought practices, right. But then, um, outside of those scenarios, there'll be some more practical ones, like the likelihood of someone getting injured in a car accident or something right outside of the church, or they're crossing the sidewalk and get hit by a car and then we have to do like you know.

Speaker 1 11:17

We don't have to right, but like you know as a as god-fearing, you know citizen of my country. Yeah, community member. If I see someone get hit by a car in the crosswalk outside the church, I'm running over there to try to make sure they're gonna be alive by the time the ambulance arrives. Yeah, um, and none of this is like. This training is very much focused on like hey, this is not heroic. Like you're not going to be a doctor, you're not. You're not going to be a nurse, you're not even going to be an EMT. But what you can be is someone who is trained with the knowledge to at least take action to give that person the best chances of survival, especially if it's yourself. Um, so I'm really looking forward to it.

Speaker 2 11:56

I don't know, pat, if you got any thoughts from what you're looking at, just like with a training document and stuff yeah, no, I think that he gave us this list of scenarios that we're going to run through and they're going to be kind of on the uh yeah, on the, like you're saying, on the less likely to happen side of things. But I think what's?

Speaker 2 12:13

good about that case yeah, yeah, worst case scenarios, and the good thing about that is kind of push your mental limits to, you know, to the further end, to see where you're at and train up to those things where then you know as other things happen, you know when you have minor things occur, you are just able to, you know, have a better grip on those things as well. And so, um, I think it's going to be good for our, yeah, our team to have all that stuff, that equipping and, uh, and confidence too. Like I, uh, I know there's, I think I just am like an idiot, and so I am, uh, I just think I'm good to go Right, but there's, and so, and part of that in my life has given me, um, has given me a good edge where I just like, I just confidence, just the confidence to just do it, um and then, but then that obviously that does um stunt me or you know, or leave me um with blind spots or thinking you can do more than you can do.

Speaker 2 14:42

But I know there's guys on our team who also are on the other end of the pendulum, like who like would be or do, who are nervous or, you know, not confident in themselves or like really want to have, like you know, the this sort of training that is going to give them the experience, the reps, and feel like they know what they're doing and feel like they know what they're talking about. And obviously I need to do it too. But I think that it's going to be a real confidence builder for our team and I'm looking forward to the technical proficiencies and the teaching and scenarios we're going to run through. I think they'll be super effective and just as far as the materials he's sent us so far, I think it's going to be good and just as far as the materials, he sent us so far.

Speaker 1 15:24

I think it's going to be good. Yeah, and I did the IFAC class with him, where he just went over like what should be in your IFAC and how to use it. And it was super awesome.

Speaker 2 15:32

And.

Speaker 1 15:33

I really enjoyed that. So, yeah, pretty stoked for that. But all that said, you know it is crazy what people are still being taught and like today, wilderness, first aid stuff, um, you know, I guess part of me is just like scratching my head and I'm like god, the last thing I want, if someone put a tourniquet on my leg when I get to the hospital, is for someone to be like, oh my gosh, he's gonna lose this limb, take that tourniquet off and then I'm flipping, bleed out you know, what I mean Exactly.

Speaker 1 16:05

I'm just like don't touch that. I want to have the presence of mind to be like do not touch that, leave that on there until you guys are ready to go in there and freaking cauterize that shit. Anyways, pat, we got some bad news this week, dude. Oh yeah, some bad news this week, dude.

Speaker 1 16:23

Oh, yeah, some bad news, well, other than just the fact that it's tax season and that just sucks, because you're either going to get decent news of like it's not great news, but it's decent news because the government's like hey, we charged you too much in taxes, here's some back. You're like would have been nice to have this money anyways, like throughout the year, but I guess I'm happy I got a little bit back. And then there's like the worst news of like oh, hey, by the way, give us more.

Speaker 2 16:51

And you're like oh, dude, no, especially if you thought you'd done it right like you, like you've been paying into, you've been doing the thing and you're like uh-oh bro.

Speaker 1 16:58

So here's the thing. Billy gene and I, we're approaching Total household income, take home Of Almost like 200k.

Speaker 2 17:10

Between the two of us. You're in a different game than you were Back in the college days.

Speaker 1 17:16

When I didn't even have to do taxes Because I didn't make enough, but like when we look at our paychecks, I mean dude, our paychecks post taxes this year are like hardly above I want to say like 120 combined income, like we were taxed an insane amount.

Speaker 2 17:36

You got up into the next league of getting smacked.

Speaker 1 17:39

It was mind boggling to me how much we paid in taxes and stuff and I'm just like, if in the fact that like they might want more, I'm just like dude, I just it's enough to make a man start thinking like marvin he might. Okay, all right, uh. But yeah, so we're paying a professional to do our taxes this year because it's just like it's just too much of a headache now, uh, especially like we're at the phase in life where we just have more and more investments and things we're putting money into to try to like save up for retirement or family. Then you have everything with like property taxes and your mortgage interest.

Speaker 1 18:16

It's all a lot more complicated, so much more complicated, like one w-2 or whatever yeah, and like, well, originally Billie Jean learned how to do our taxes when our combined income was like 90 K and it was pretty simple back then. We didn't have enough money left over from paying rent, groceries and savings to like make it complicated, right, you know. And so it was easy back then. And then now, as we've grown in our jobs and have been blessed with growing in income, that's awesome. Like we're super thankful, you know, praise jesus, that we're there. But it's also like why the hell, or why am I even asking billy june to do this? Like like this is we? If we make this money, we should just be like muscling up to just like, freaking, pay a professional to do it, so that way it's not a freaking headache. So I think we're biting the bullet this year and good nothing. I know we are. I just talked to someone and I'm like we're just gonna pay them whatever it is honestly.

Speaker 1 19:14

Here's the thing if somehow, let's say, the feds, like you, owe us four grand, and then I pay this person three grand to keep me exactly like to pay him three grand to make sure I don't end up having to owe more money like then, like that's worth it. I don't think it's going to be that. I think hopefully it's like in a couple hundred dollars. But that's just the example, I guess. But anyways, that's the side tangent, the real bad news, the real bad news uh, the signal group chat leak.

Speaker 1 19:46

Now, pat doesn't know about this because he's been a busy, hard-working man. That's a good thing. It's good to have a job that keeps you so busy you can't pay attention to the bullshit, uh. But I'm, I'm, you're here now, pat, and I'm gonna get your raw opinion on air right now where you're asking questions. But this week a uh journalist at the atlanta post was invited to a signal chat.

Speaker 1 20:12

Signal is a group chat uh messaging platform for those who don't know, and essentially what it does, it encrypts all of your communications. So that way, outside of signal, if someone intercepts those text messages and such, it's completely encrypted and they can't unencrypt it. And it's very easy like with the way the uh sending and receiving uh algorithm is written that when you delete a message it deletes it for everybody, not just for you. And if you edit a message it edits it for everybody. So it's often used by a lot of people who are talking about things that I'm not saying criminal at all, because I definitely use Signal and I don't use it for any criminal stuff, right, but I definitely use it for like I would say yeah, the privacy of knowing, like, hey, I can talk about finance stuff and I'm not too worried about someone intercepting these messages and be like, oh, so that's his social security and his bank account, yada, yada, right.

Speaker 1 21:14

Um, I also use it for talking with like dudes I'm talking about stocks and investments and stuff just because it's a lot easier to talk about it there without someone on the internet saying you know, let's say, you post on Reddit, right, and you see on Reddit, hey, I'm going to buy this stock because I think it's a good investment. Someone might be like hey, I lost a lot of money, I think this was insider trading, yada, yada, right. And then now you know someone's trying to sue you or whatever. So it's just a way of essentially covering your ass, right, guys? It someone's trying to see you or whatever. So it's just a way of essentially covering your ass, right, guys? And it's convenient, because if you said something and you have a typo that's goofy, you can fix your typo and it fixes it for everybody.

Speaker 1 21:52

But what happened was that this Atlanta Post journalist was invited to the signal chat and the signal chat was aliased to some degree of who was in it, but it was mostly people of trump's cabinet. Trump wasn't in the chat himself, from what I understand. Uh, someone had invited him to be in the chat but he never joined. Itouthi rebels were taking place. He didn't say where they were going, he didn't say you know what the location of the targets were, who the targets were.

Speaker 1 22:39

But he apparently was saying like yep, we just did the first missile. Like we just did the first strike. Like like we just did the first strike, oh, we just did the second strike, things are going well, you know. And like reporting, like casualty estimates, which that is a hundred percent without like there is no debating this, that is classified information. That information, regardless of my opinion of whether or not the public has a right to know that or not, that's still government classified information and that is being disseminated on, even though signals quote unquote an encrypted app. That is not a secure form of communication that is approved by the Department of Defense for this level of stuff.

Speaker 1 23:23

Yeah and like, even though it is secure and, yes, you would not know what those messages were unless you were in the chat. The issue is someone invited a journalist to it, which means it's therefore no longer secure. It is not right. There is someone there who does not have a need to know, that now knows, and it should have never happened in the first place. This is clearly a breach of security. There should have never been a group chat with these, uh, you know, politicians involved on it, these cabinet members, uh, talking about declassified information. Um, the fact that there was is looks really bad, because a lot of these republican, uh, you know, and these now, I would say new republicans, because tulsi gabbard is apparently one of them um, a lot of these people are the ones that are saying it should be jail time for how hillary misused her personal laptop with all these classified emails and classified communications on it, and it was totally insecure. And, yes, like, regardless. I don't care what your political beliefs are, but like, russia totally got a hold of everything off of hillary's computer, like. That has, without a doubt, been proven. Um, not, and not just russia, a lot of people did. Um, and so all that said they were. They were the people crying for jail time. There are people crying for jail time for hunter biden, with all of the uh intelligence, and like classified documents on his computer.

Speaker 1 24:54

And now, yes, this is such a smaller degree and smaller, like, uh, like it's classified information, and it's it's borderline, barely classified information. Right, it's classified information. In regards to, like, this is something that the government itself doesn't report and share, but it can be reported on by journalists who find out about it. Right, if you're, if you're a journalist near the houthi rebels, it's a missile strikes come down and, uh, you intercept some radio traffic that informs you, like, these are missile strikes from the U S. Like, yeah, you have the right to report on that. Right, that is total journalism. Right, you can report on that. Um, all that said, though, that is a way of discovering information outside of classified communications. It's like the naturalistic journalistic investigation process versus someone breaching classified channels to share that information.

Speaker 1 25:59

So, anyways, all that said, a lot of people are overblowing it, saying this is just as bad as Hillary, tulsi and Hegseth, and all these people need to be facing jail time. And then there's a lot of people underplaying it, saying this is a nothing burger. It doesn't matter. All that was shared was with other people who had the proper classified like they had the proper clearance to know it was just a channel used to communicate it faster to them that strikes had begun. Um, and both are wrong. Both are wrong, right, like. The issue is like it's in the middle here and it's like black and white and as much as people don't want to say it is, it is black and white and this seriously denigrates your ability to have trust going forward.

Speaker 1 26:55

Now, I'm not saying hang them up by their shoelaces and like, fire them and send them to jail. I personally don't think this is something that we would see even myself jailed for. If I was at this level, I would think I would get a slap on the wrist for sure. I think I'd get fired and lose my job, but I don't think I'd be facing jail time and that is perhaps someone can educate us on that and be like dude, you're totally wrong, but from what I understand out of the a lot of other leaks that have happened over time, I do, uh, classified communications and security training every year on, like how to make sure you're not disseminating or sharing information that's classified, even if, like here's a good one, right? Let's say, for example, the jfk files. They're declassified and they've been released, but it's still technically uh, if they were classified and someone released them, it would still be against protocol for me to even discuss it. It would still be illegal for me to discuss it, even though it it's public information. You can just get on the internet and look at it and read the file, right? Anything that's still classified as illegal for us that are employed and part of this organization of security, we're still not allowed to talk about it, and so it is 100% illegal what they did it, and so it is a hundred percent illegal what they did.

Speaker 1 28:26

I am also a hundred percent confident that anyone else who did this would not face jail time. They would face repercussions, mm-hmm, and I don't know what those look like when your Pete heads exists. Secretary of the DoD, right, our Secretary of Defense, or you know these other cabinet members, but I think it could really look like you know, heavy fine and loss of office. You could even get your. I would even say like if they revoked clearances for some of these people, well then, of course, they have to lose their office. You can't be secretary of defense if you've lost clearance, which sucks, because I really like the agendas that a lot of them have come forward in proposing. You know, especially like Tulsi Gabbard, I've really liked what she's kind of proposing for her office and, um, you know, but I also gotta be honest with myself, like this is a huge fuck up.

Speaker 1 29:15

So, anyways, that's the situation, pat, you're hearing it first time Now it looks like you're Googling things up and scrambling to try to get the info.

Speaker 2 29:23

I just read through the the messages while you were or giving the breakdown yeah, so what are your thoughts? I mean, yeah, it's, and I was, I was screaming through them, but the one I feel like obviously there should be some other I'm sure there is and there should be some other place where these people are communicating.

Speaker 2 29:44

Yeah, and yeah, and there's literally microsoft teams on the dod that you could communicate this information through, like there is a secure messenger for it and and at the same time, though, if they brought a journalist into that, which I don't know if you're allowed to, you know know that probably not, you know give them access to that right now, Whoever, whoever invited them, that's the the really was like the goose, who was like, ooh, they shouldn't be doing this.

Speaker 2 30:11

And rather than going like the proper authority channels, they're like hey journalists get in here Cause I'd say the information in here, yes, is sensitive. I would say. I mean, it all came out so fast. This was over the course of two hours of talking in the morning, right, I was like this was a one day, I think, as far as I can see I'm going through to see if it. I'm pretty sure it was all. Yeah, this was all over the course from like 8.30 in the morning till it did go all the way till that evening, 6.35.

Speaker 2 30:51

So it was one day of chatting, right or like, but the meat of it happened in that morning when they were talking, talking and the um I the the biggest thing that would happen with, I think, the biggest mistakes on here is one whoever brought in the journalist that, whoever did that, dave should face the most consequence because and I don't know how signal works, but I would assume that, like some of these, these people talking on here didn't know or approve that. I don't know. Yeah, no way, right, so like, and in that sense like, even like, just just taking legal out of it, just to be like all right, five friends are having a group chat about something that's like kind of sensitive and then they bring their other friend's wife in who's the most chatty kathy ever and just put her in the group chat you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 31:50

It's like it's like adding somebody's like the. It's adding the gossipy wife to the bros group chat like, like, like, hey, be careful.

Speaker 1 31:58

Be careful because our wives love to talk and they might think we have something not chill in our group chat, which we may or may not. Well, we have chill stuff in our group, it's babe. Babe, hear me out, it's okay, don't listen to Pat. There's nothing sus in our group chat.

Speaker 2 32:15

It's just things you might not like. You might not want to see the YouTube fart video compilation.

Speaker 1 32:19

You might not want to see youtube fart video compilation you might not want to see. You know, yeah, like, but it's not like we're.

Speaker 2 32:26

Yeah, I get what you're saying, like you know, when one of our buddies buys a gun, he tells us about it. And like you know, like that's it, that's sensitive information, you know. And then he finds out via his friend's wife. His wife finds out from his friend's wife. Now we've got a big pickle this is what a big pickle, right.

Speaker 2 32:44

And so just, I mean just just, I mean based off of like pure common sense, like what, how did this happen to? Um, yes, the things they were talking about on here, I guess I don't know the level of like classified stuff I'd say, well, I'd say telling f-18s to launch and drop bombs is probably pretty like classified as far as just from. I don't know all the classifications or how they talk about it, but I'd say you don't want the enemy or anybody else to know your plans before it happens, because these are big operations.

Speaker 2 33:13

These are pretty serious things. So, that being said, I don't know what the repercussions should be for it. They should be on it, they should be in a I don't know what the. I don't know. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, I'm just saying I don't know. I don't think these people should lose their job for it. Maybe whoever brought the journalist in, because that's just such a big no-no. And also, yes, use a different form of communication. And that being said too, I mean how many signal chats are there out right now being used by every country's secret squirrel stuff? Who's using signal?

Terrorist Group Cooperation

Speaker 1 33:59

They all are secret squirrel stuff, who's using signal? They all are. Worst part about it, man, is that a lot of people don't get what is known as and this may seem on the nose, but it's like signal signature, which is often used for like you have your. You have your signature, like an electronic signature right, like are you, do you have something going off? Gps wise, that is a signature to follow you by. Do you have your? Uh, what's a lot of people is known as like your human signature, which is honestly like your voice echoing through the trees, the smell of your aftershave, um, the reflection of your skin in the sunlight, like those are all signatures that someone can use to find you.

Speaker 1 34:41

Right, and signal signature is such a huge issue right now that the actual like United States Marine Corps just released a PSA video for Marines about how to not like you need to stay off your phone.

Speaker 1 34:55

In fact, you need to not be bringing your phone at all on missions, which is kind of crazy, because I think a lot of civilians are just like a lot of civilians. I think thought for a long time like the military just didn't let you have a cell phone while, like you were deployed, like you just had to go use like the like the landline or the sat phone, right. But, um, nowadays everyone's on their phone texting and they're literally like in this like psa thing, there's a marine behind enemy lines that's hiding out somewhere and separated from his unit and he texts them where he's at his location like coordinates, and his team says any sign, anything. It's hours past by. He's like no, I don't have anything. All right, cool, we're moving in and come and get you. And as they're moving up, freaking drone strike takes them out and it's's like yeah, you know why? Because someone was intercepting those messages and knew the exact grid coordinates you were going to be at and waited until you decided to group up to drop a bomb on you, Yep, and that's where.

Speaker 2 35:52

And we didn't know warfare like this really. I mean it's been around, but like until the Ukraine war kicked off, that's when it was like the common, the cell phones with like you're bringing it down to the common soldier, like you had other operations going on high.

Speaker 1 36:05

Uh, like high tech high speed stuff like triangulating radio figuring new stuff.

Speaker 2 36:09

But then it became like you know, yeah, where it was like, and we saw it I mean instagram, reddit, everything was just blowing up with. We were getting live feeds, basically, of the whole war going on, until everybody started getting droned out because of their exactly these were live streaming on twitch or instagram.

Speaker 1 36:26

You know the war in ukraine. And then people were like, yeah, we can definitely track, like where that live stream is coming from. Boom, blow them up. Yeah, and so, like now it's a big issue, right, and this is it? Right because I have to be careful what I say here. Right, because I'm not really going to discuss the actual sensitive material of these messages at all.

Speaker 1 36:48

But the issue with these is that there is no operation security. When you were talking about operation security on an insecure, like unsecured network that's not approved and like there is, like it's, it's unreal how ironic it is. And this conversation, you know, in the, in these group messages and whatever, right, because essentially what's been reported from the news and journalism is like they're focused on trying to make decisions in this group chat on signal um, before going public in conversation with about it for an appearance of you know, like a unified cabinet, right, a unified war war cabinet. And the issue is that when something like this leaks because it's not on a secure network, it shows behind the curtain and how disorganized you are and how not unified you are and it's like it really is the worst case scenario for any kind of you know uh, leadership team.

Speaker 2 38:00

So and I don't know, did you? Notice I notice the two very ironic things in this message thread. I can't read the message thread. What do you mean?

Speaker 1 38:09

Well, because I work in security and this is technically not declassified so I can't read it. I'm just going off of what I've been essentially able to read, without actually discussing or reading the actual sensitive material From this signal leak.

Speaker 2 38:22

I'm not looking at any of the messages able to read without actually discussing or reading the actual sensitive material From the signal link.

Speaker 1 38:25

I'm not looking at any of the messages. Oh, you haven't read them. I can't. It is literally against the law for me to read and discuss the actual content.

Speaker 2 38:34

Of this article on the.

Speaker 1 38:35

BBC. I can read the journalism about it right, but I cannot distribute the material or discuss material.

Speaker 2 38:45

Right, I will. I'll say two things that are not classified, which would be in this, in this conversation. Somebody said twice we will do all we can to enforce a hundred percent OPSEC, that's, operation security, which is they're not doing in this very moment.

Speaker 2 39:01

And then he goes on to say, um, we need to make this happen fast in case this gets leaked, so that's so now. So they knew now, you know, as far as the timeline, this is a one day thing, but the timeline on this he was saying we need to get this because the discussion was going on about whether they should do it now or later, and then they decided let's go now. And they, from what I'm understanding, and then basically part of that being, yeah, we need to, basically we need to get this done in case this gets leaked, which this I don't think he was meaning. This message that I was thinking Like the news of the strike.

Speaker 2 39:40

Or they meant this plan, yeah, I was thinking he like the news of the strike, or they meant this plan, yeah, but this plan did get like the actual very thing that he didn't realize how much the leak was going to happen on the leak, which was the actual text that said this could get leaked, got leaked. So yeah, pretty, pretty wild.

Speaker 1 40:01

Yeah, so it's just one of those things of like man, like it's wrong what they were doing. It's also wrong that it happened and got leaked, but I get it and it's bound to happen, right. And like there's going to be ugly things. You know, even if you're you know pro this administration, there's going to be things they do that's ugly're you know pro this administration. There's gonna be things they do that's ugly and you it's you can't get behind. And I just honestly don't know how you can get behind this kind of really like, just lack of security and laissez-faire like. I don't know.

Speaker 1 40:34

Man, for me, if I would just be thinking, like on any of my messages, like do I should, I say this, should I be saying this outside of a secure room, outside of a skiff, you know, and if the answer is not emphatically yeah, that it's okay, then I then don't even gamble, even if you're like I'm not sure, maybe I should censor this part out or whatever, like and like the fact that this happened is just, it's so embarrassing, um, and I feel bad. I feel bad for, you know, the people who entrusted this admin and cabinet to not do something, this stupid um, because now I'll say this what is probably happening is that they're doubling down on their security. But if it got to this point on signal, I would warrant a guess that there's some people doing some dumb ass stuff on their personal phones, personal laptops, personal computers with information that's supposed to be secured and classified no, definitely, and the um one thing, that's one thing I was thinking about this was what are the grounds for charging somebody with treason and what are journalists protections?

Speaker 1 41:51

Yeah.

Speaker 2 41:52

On if a legal definition of treason is treason is the crime of betraying one country by attempting to overthrow the government or by helping its enemies, and so by leaking, by putting this in like I don't. Like, I mean, I don't think this person should be charged. The journalist should be charged with treason, necessarily, but where's the line?

Speaker 1 42:14

but where's?

Speaker 2 42:14

the line on, like you know what, what. What's that journalist's um responsibility to you know a good question to this you know as well.

Speaker 1 42:22

I think it's something like essentially like First Amendment applies when the journalism is revealing a crime taking place. That's true, and if classified information leaks out of that, then that's because it's the fault of the administration or the United States committing a crime. If they weren't committing the crime, the information would have leaked and the journalists would have been got a hold of it. I think it's the concept of Watergate, right? Yeah, had they not been committing a crime, that would have never spilled out, right? That would have never happened. Anyways, I don't have a whole lot more to say on that other than like it sucks. Um, I think it's pretty much what it is. You know, it's basic bread and butter. Um, like I said, I don't think it's more than what it is and I think people are trying to downplay it as not a crime. And also, people are trying to make it sound like it says. People are trying to make it sound like it's as extreme as Hillary, like forsaking you know, our people in Benghazi, right, and it's like it's it's. It's neither of those.

Speaker 2 43:37

Mm, hmm, mm, hmm, yeah, yep, uh, but got to tighten it up there. Can't gosh, can't be doing that. I mean. Well, I mean it just kind of feels like rookie maneuver, you know. Yeah, so wow, well bet that journalist is not getting invited anymore Chats.

Speaker 1 44:10

Well, yeah, I mean I'm just going off of what I've read like reported right without like reading into the classified stuff, so I don't know From best what I understood. They were invited in by someone.

Speaker 2 44:29

It might have been that someone, someone else, leaked the information to them. I don't know. Yep, yep, oh man pretty crazy though, right, pretty crazy, pretty insane.

Speaker 2 44:38

And yeah, in the uh, it's funny how the pendulum is swinging back and forth on uh, you know that a complete and utter outrage. And I mean I read this and I'm not that outraged. I'm like, hey, this was bad, can't do that again. It's bad behavior. Yeah, I'm, I think I'm, I think I'm it's bad behavior. Yeah, I think I'm aligned with the activities they were doing, like as far as like the decisions they were making and where they were leading the country towards, like you know now, the operational security side. No good, what was being done was all right, you know.

Speaker 2 45:20

Unfortunately it was drone strikes and people were dying, so I don't know the complete fallout of that and but, um, yeah, we will see what happens with that, or does it just, you know, blow over tomorrow? I don't know, you know how the uh, how these happen, but this it looks like did this happen basically yesterday, today, today, I don't know, seems pretty fairly recent. Um, the let's see the message. Message was, messages were on.

Speaker 1 45:52

Um, oh, there's no date Interesting, huh Well, alright, I guess you could ask the Houthis yeah, yeah, um, which is also like interesting in regards like how informed are you on the Israeli news, right With, like, where the Houthis are from? Yemen, right, yep, and the ceasefire is still in place with Gaza and Hezbollah, right?

Speaker 2 46:23

I believe it is still so there but like the houthis can are kind of threatening that that ceasefire yeah, yeah they, because they, they kind of run around the red sea and make stuff bad for for these folks.

Speaker 1 46:41

I will say I did watch the video. I'm pretty sure it was Houthis right when it was, them on a helicopter landing on an actual Suez Canal ship that was hauling freight and they were taking it over. I'm going to see if I can find this video real quick, because I feel like if you've seen it you know exactly what I'm talking about.

Speaker 2 47:02

And the Houthis were on a helicopter.

Speaker 1 47:04

Yeah, they were on helicopters landing on ships to like.

Houthi Rebels Hijacking Ships

Speaker 2 47:09

Take the ships over yep, the uh, the game is changing over there as far as, like, I feel like it was on a, it was on recruit mode for a long time. I'm not saying that the war wasn't hard, that people were fighting over there like in 2003 or whatever, but um, you know, it was like like the Shane Gillis stuff, where he's like you know the, the guy, you know who his feet move when he shoots and you know out there in flip flops and pajamas, versus now, like, oh, we got night night vision and helicopters and um training off of YouTube, you know, or whatever. Like uh, all the things that are uh it just the game is upped over there as far as the what's going on and the uh Al Qaeda Islamic state, um Houthis, um ISIS, um, they're all uh Al Shabaab, they're all getting much stronger.

Speaker 1 48:03

Better kit. Yeah, but also like their locus of control.

Speaker 2 48:11

Their region has grown and they have also started. Even the ones who hate each other are working more and more together now.

Speaker 1 48:18

Now, one thing I am curious to on that point while I'm pulling up this footage of this freaking helicopter landing because it's unreal, I'm trying to pull it up unedited, um, but uh, with what you understand about the relations over there for the radical islam groups, do you foresee really like a potential of like taliban and like Houthi and Hezbollah and ISIS-K Like do you really imagine like that the heads of the Hydra can all focus on one thing without biting each other?

Speaker 1 49:02

Because I feel like it's always been like either there is multiple, like either it's, you know, the U? S or Israel, or a combination of you know nations just cutting heads off the Hydra and trying to keep more from growing. But in my lifetime I can't remember a time where there were the heads grew big enough and hungry enough that they started eating each other. I of I'm trying to remember I can't remember for sure but back when isis was like a issue and making their you know the caliphate, the isis state right, weren't they at war with the taliban for a while? Technically like, weren't they um, not conflicting?

Speaker 2 49:41

yes and no. I mean there's the because it gets. It gets obviously gets super complicated in a couple areas, like taliban. The best way to think about the taliban is just a, a government body, and then the best way to think about al-qaeda is a ideological group, and so those can a Venn diagram can cross over there where you can have, you know, like the Taliban is sympathetic to Al Qaeda and what they're doing Now where it gets confusing. And if you go back into, like Russians, 90s and stuff, you have the Mujahideen who were, you know, like, at one point the Mujahideen were fighters who were against groups like the Taliban. But then if you the Mujahideen during like the end of the GWAT or middle GWAT, like 2006, 2013, like they were, they were aligned with the Taliban.

Speaker 2 50:39

So the Al Qaeda the best way to think about Al-Qaeda is, yeah, an ideological group that's widespread. They go all the way from the west coast of Africa all the way over, clear into Pakistan, across the whole continent. I mean they have groups in um, like all, like established groups in all those countries throughout africa, in the middle east, um, and then you know, then you have you know, then isis popped up. Um, especially syria and iraq is where they they've specifically popped up initially, um, but those, what's going on right now actually is osama bin laden's son, who we said was dead, is alive. He has been marrying groups. He's been marrying wives he's been setting up.

Speaker 2 51:32

He's been marrying the wives of these other terrorist groups and setting up the kingdom and and pulling it together, and so that is a major player. Um, I'm forgetting his name, uh, hamza hamza bin laden is his name, and he is basically, uh, one of the key players in aligning these terrorist groups. And so the I think, to answer your question about you know, kind of the hydra, because you have, you have lots of infighting. You then you have um, you even have the issue of the um, shia and the sunni who hate each other, but even and not every shia, not every sunni is within terrorist groups, right, because shia and sunni is a huge yeah, those are like muslim people not like almost like best way to simplify sunni shia would be catholic protestant yeah, you know

Speaker 2 52:21

just like there was a, there was a great rift in their religion and there's two sides. And then think about those two, like the Catholics and Protestants, during like medieval times of, like you know, fighting over, you know, big parts of land, and so they have a bloody history with each other. But those who have become radicalized, but those who have become radicalized, whatever they are, sunni Shia, or the ones who become radicalized, are putting aside their differences to join forces to be stronger. And these groups are training, cross-training with each other, the Taliban basically. Also, at this point in time too, al-qaeda is pulling all the strings of the Taliban. So, like I was saying, you have an ideological group and then you have a government establishment. The Taliban is basically ran by by Al Qaeda and what they want to see happen. And so I think that eventually, yes, these little factions and things could fall apart, but for the moment, they have an enemy that they can look towards, which would be the last 20 years of what we've done.

Speaker 2 53:39

It's a lot easier to unite all these folks against, you know, the the west, and so that's where they are. It's a little scary because the fact that in the past you could rely on their uh, the rifts between the groups, and now it's um there's nothing like marrying them off to create allegiances. Yeah, so it's kind of old world style If you're in a religion where you can have a harem.

Speaker 1 54:09

It's really easy to streamline it. I just sent you a link to this video. You can pop it up on your phone, but this is the Guardian News that has posted this video and it's the footage showing armed Houthi rebels I don't even know if you can call them rebels anymore. Armed Houthi members dropping off from a helicopter to seize a cargo ship in the Red Sea.

Speaker 2 54:38

And they have a GoPro on their own helicopter. Oh yeah, it's their video.

Speaker 1 54:43

The cinematography is pretty insane. Um, they got like drone doing flyby stuff here yeah I mean this ship was hijacked by the group on sunday.

Speaker 1 54:56

Israel claimed the sea ship was british owned and japanese operated. Dude, imagine being a Japanese man on this ship and just being like what the fuck is happening? I will say in this this is a great video to watch of like how not to work as a team, because there's a lot of moments of watching it maybe not in this video because of how it's cut, but there's a lot of moments here where I see dudes literally running up to corners with their barrel, their AK pointing at the back of their homie's head. Good, that's what we want. Yeah, we don't want our enemies to have good tactics, but I'm just saying this is a good thing to watch, to realize how not to do this, how not to storm a ship. Wow.

Speaker 1 55:35

They got the pistol yelling into his radio, mm-hmm Yelling into his radio.

Speaker 2 55:51

Yeah, I mean, it was a multi-faceted. They had helicopters coming in, they had boats coming in. Yeah, bro, I'm surprised. I mean you know Pretty crazy right. What's gonna be good for business in that sense is gonna be people are gonna start hiring out the. It's gonna be good for guys who are trying to find a job, who used to, who retired out of the military and they don't have anything else better to do.

Speaker 1 56:15

They're gonna go sit on those ships and make fifty thousand dollars in two weeks defending them yeah, see, the one thing they don't tell you about, though, is the rations when you're on those ships. Yeah, I talked to a dude who was a well, he claimed to be doing a maritime security. He said there was one time he was on a ship for a six-month stint and the crew didn't know how to ration the food. Well, and by the end of it, they were eating chicken feet and bags of rice for like three months, because people just garbled through like the actual, real food rations. But yeah, isn't that nuts, dude? The way they're just storming that ship, it's just crazy to me, gosh.

Speaker 2 57:00

Wikipedia still says that he's dead. Hamza bin Laden, hamza bin ship. It's just crazy to me, gosh. Wikipedia still says that he's dead. Hamza bin Laden, hamza bin Laden, he's not dead, he's alive.

Speaker 1 57:09

Pat. Pat, come on, Can you calm down? Are you telling me you're one of these conspiracy wackos that believes I bet you believe Osama bin Laden's still alive? No, he's dead, okay, but do you believe he died from seal team six? Yeah, you don't think he died of a urinary tract or whatever? Or, if not, your? Head track he. What was it? They said he had failing kidneys right in uh testicular cancer or something, and that he died a long time ago have you heard of this conspiracy?

Speaker 2 57:36

yeah, yeah I. Yeah, I have, but I don't he's on dialysis. Yeah, I, I think, uh, I I think. So here's what I know I. You know a dude who was there, yeah, well, yeah, I I I know a guy, I know, I know he, I know it happened. That's all I'm gonna say. I know, I know that SEAL Team 6 got him that night.

Speaker 1 58:00

Yeah, I'll say this. I also know of an individual who has claimed to see Elvis Presley on the moon. Just kidding, no, I believe it happened, because there's a couple of people I met that have told me that they've seen the actual photos.

Speaker 2 58:21

Yeah, that's the thing the osama bin laden with the round in his brain.

Speaker 1 58:25

I know someone who got the photos at the same time the president did so it's like you know what I have to say to that deep state photoshop baby dude photoshop but the um, no, the uh um, but with haza bin Laden.

Speaker 2 58:43

Basically, we claimed to have killed him. We didn't, and he's. He's come back around, it's clear. There's pictures of him. Other, like other, government agencies around the world have verified yes, he's there, he's alive. But the United States has not, has not admitted that he's, or like I guess, like admitted that he's alive.

Speaker 2 59:05

Because, then we'd have to admit we missed. Yeah, but he is and yeah, all information's coming out that he is Basically he's not the king of the whole deal, but he is a big player in it and he is helping unite things through marriages. Who he's not the king of the whole deal, but he is a big player in it and he is helping unite things through marriages who he's marrying. There's tons of guys who we let out of Gontuano Mobe, who were— Say that again.

Speaker 2 59:32

Yeah, I know, sorry, I just saw your hat on your head. It threw me off.

Speaker 1 59:35

Gontuano.

Speaker 2 59:36

Yeah, well, he has your hat over here, over your headphones.

Speaker 1 59:39

It's kind of hurting my hair so I put it on over there.

Speaker 2 59:42

That's fine. But in Gitmo, as the people call it, there's lots of guys who were just let out of there, who have just reestablished terror organizations. You know part of, like, the people who did Abbey Gate stuff. Some connections too have come out between isis and um the new orleans attack you know that wanted to call a lone wolf attack. Um, that's looking like not the case. So the hydra is currently kind of united, um, not to freak anybody out or scare them, but just you got to be aware of it. Um, and a ton of them have come over here over the last, you know, four years. But that's another issue that we could, you know that uh, to be addressed. But yeah, we'll see, we'll see what that looks like and hopefully they kind of the the beast eats itself, um, because of their inability to unite, but for for the time being it's happening, they're getting together, so we'll see.

Speaker 2 1:00:50

Some people think right now that basically the attack like we saw in Israel is very similar to attacks that are being planned for here in America and that it's just going to be on a different scale. But there's, so there's information from that and lots of people, resistance fighters in Afghanistan who are still resisting Taliban fighting. There are also been warning, you know, of the plans that people, that you know the um these terrorist organizations have for harming America and we'll see how that plays out over the next couple years, but kind of crazy, kind of wild yeah, it is pretty crazy, I think think here's my prediction we're about to get some really sick recruitment ads.

Speaker 1 1:01:48

Yeah, I think the military and DOD is going to be like you know what. We should recruit people who want to go kill bad guys, and that's their main driving factor, and they don't even need to know how to read. Uh, we just need like, just give us all of them who want to, who we can teach how to follow orders and shoot a gun. Uh, because, honestly, like, recruitment's so low. And why is it so low? Because there's like not a real like fear of an enemy abroad. You, most people, are more concerned about what's going on at home right now, and that's always going to be more difficult to have a standing military especially.

Speaker 1 1:02:29

I mean, I've spoken with so many veterans that are like you cannot pay me enough money to join back up because I'm more concerned that I'd be, you know, requested to do something in a martial law scenario, right, and I'm just not. I didn't join the military to be stationed at home.

Speaker 2 1:02:53

Yeah.

Speaker 1 1:02:54

Now I will say on that note, I know quite a few dudes who are down in Mexico right now. We're on the border, they're stoked, they're like like it's freaking game time. Dude, I'm happy to be here defending my border, you know, but I don't want to be here policing my own people yeah, no for sure, and man, we'll see on the border stuff.

Speaker 2 1:03:14

It's interesting the that's some crazy.

Speaker 1 1:03:16

I didn't watch the cario again the other day and it just made me like, just think, like, dude, it's, it could be so wild.

Speaker 2 1:03:21

Yeah, so yeah I did the same. I watched the car, like two, three weeks ago also, and I was like this is this?

Speaker 1 1:03:28

yeah, it's, uh, it's wild down there and because I don't know where we're at with, like you know, declaring, you know, cartels, terrorist organizations, all that, and how that's gonna, that's allowing us to, you know, operate differently in those situations, um, I think if you declare them terror organizations, that does help with certain agencies being able to operate at home, like certain agencies are only allowed to do things against terror organizations and they're not allowed to take action unless that organization is declared a terror organization.

Speaker 2 1:03:58

But I think, are we also allowed to now this consistent country sovereignty issues? But like are we allowed to? You know, like, I think, basically we can do more things and have it not be an act of war against that country. Yeah, right, if we go do something in another country, um, but it has to be, you know, with permission of you know whatever other countries. So some thumbs up, yeah, but the um with the. I will say, I think that whoever's running the like white house instagram page, they're getting a little, they're trying to like. I haven't been, I'm not on instagram. What's going on? It's just like, I will say it's just insensitive. You know, like they did an asmr video of illegal import of of um, of deporting the legals.

Speaker 2 1:04:45

No way of like the chains clinking no way dude that's not real.

Speaker 2 1:04:50

It's just really dehumanizing. I think, and here's the deal, I don't want these people here, like, and when I say these people, I mean illegal immigrants, yeah, for one, but especially especially, um, uh, criminals, right, and people who are dangerous. Now, if I was on the other side of the border and I tried for, and I was trying to get in this country, I'd be trying to get up here. Now, yeah, I would probably try to do it legally, but if I had to, I understand the plight of people and, on an individual basis, I might try to get over here and start.

Speaker 1 1:05:26

You know, just get over here get a job, do the thing right, so I understand that if I got booted out of the US into Mexico, I would be working pretty hard to get back into the US right, and I mean just in general.

Politics and International Relations

Speaker 2 1:05:38

I'm sympathetic towards people trying to come to this country for a better life. Now, what I'm'm sympathetic towards people trying to come to this country for better life, Now, what I'm not sympathetic towards is, um, violent, dangerous people and who also people who don't want to adopt the culture they they move into either, Um, and I think that, um, that being said, all these people are humans, even the criminals, um, and they need to be um either brought to justice, left the country, whatever, but they still have. I think they should still be allowed to maintain dignity. And some of the posts that's going on, you know lots of people. It's just classic, where people on the right are just, you know, kind of like hell, yeah, ha ha, laughing about it, and then people on the left are very upset about it, and it's not just people on the left, it's people even like you know, um it it's just kind of people who see other people as humans, going like hey, I don't think that this is how I like I don't like it.

Speaker 1 1:06:34

This is not the image I want for, like the for position of authority in my country, the position of authority for our country.

Speaker 2 1:06:40

The message to the rest of the world that it sends and I think that all it does too is Biden got. You know he was very heavily criticized for not uniting the country. Yeah, you know what else doesn't unite the country? Things like this through an Instagram post that are just going to fuel the fire of the people who aren't on your side within our country, and so the it's not helping bring United front. It's not helping you look like a professional and, yeah, show a video of us supporting them, but don't like make like an, like a joke, like ASMR videos or like there's another one they did of somebody, some random person made like an ai video of gaza with like trump towers and like people and all this stuff did you see that?

Speaker 1 1:07:27

I'm looking on their thing right now on the white house?

Speaker 2 1:07:29

I thought it was on the white house page, or you know I'm not seeing this on the white house's page. It was the, it was the, it was it was being put, or at least the story straight off of trump's.

Speaker 2 1:07:41

You know, know I, but I the um, um, the um, the Gaza one, too was like you know, this uh, ai generated video of like Gaza basically turning from rubble into like casinos and Trump towers and like super rich and wealthy and it. But it was just weird and cause also the AI people were weird looking at it. It was like disrespectful to like arab culture, the palestinians there, um, and just really like you know, it was really upsetting to a lot of people to see it like that, where you know, when you know, when trump had come out and said you know that what they're going to do with gaza, you know, and how they're going to take you over and and kind of it. Just, oh, I see it, this gaza.

Speaker 1 1:08:18

Gaza 2025. What's next?

Speaker 2 1:08:22

Yeah, and it's just insensitive and to, I think, also like to just all sorts of people. It's just not the thing to be putting forward and like I don't think that memes and meme-y type, you know posts are like the way to go with, like from our top dogs. Maybe a joke every once in a while about something that's maybe less, you know, volatile or less serious. Sure, post a funny joke, be a human, you know, and post something funny, show that you're real. But when it has to do with these people's lives and everything lost, all these things just like come on, like it's not gonna, um, it's not gonna win over hearts and minds of the american people, who are already the ones who are very, uh, either mildly opposed or very adamantly opposed to you, and so, anyways, it's just uh, I don't know.

Speaker 1 1:09:20

I think that yeah, dude, whoever is like this has got to be a psyop.

Speaker 2 1:09:28

I cannot believe somebody made it so just a rando made it and then it kind of went viral and then, like trump, reposted it. You know, oh my gosh dude. So, and you could see where yeah, okay, some random kid was messing around or whatever makes part.

Speaker 1 1:09:40

Part of me makes me wonder if Trump even knows, because I got to imagine Trump. Yes, he's lambastic, but I honestly got to wonder if someone showed him this whole video.

Speaker 2 1:09:51

I think he could be tone deaf to it as far as the fact that he's 80 watching it. Yeah, that's what I mean. He's tone deaf to it, Like being like oh, oh the kids these days doing this crazy shit. Yeah, you know what I mean Exactly.

Speaker 1 1:10:02

Again, I mean I don't think he needs me to defend him. I'm not trying to defend him. But I genuinely have a hard time understanding that, like this, dude wouldn't grasp the negative optics that he seems. Trump strikes me as someone who's very concerned with optics and appearance and I got to imagine if he saw that whole thing.

Speaker 2 1:10:24

He'd think it was pretty, pretty bad optics. It was as the the white house asmr video came out on. It was on x yeah, originally yeah, that it, that came out, but it's just yeah, the um anyways, I don't think that it's helpful. Um, that's bonkers do that sort of stuff. You know, even down to like I'm sort of indifferent to like.

Speaker 1 1:10:43

Gulf of america I could give two shits, but things change.

Speaker 2 1:10:47

well, but meaning like, what was the? What was the? Was the goal to actually do something good or was the goal to just rile up a bunch of people about what you're doing and just to assert your power and dominance over something? Right, for real, yeah, but I think that Google and Apple on their maps, both are on board. I mean, I looked on the other day and it's like it's the Gulf of America. Yeah, it is for real. You zoom out and that's what it says. It's wild.

Speaker 1 1:11:19

I mean, I get it to an extent right Of, like North America, south America this is not just this isn't owned by a nation. The Gulf of California isn't owned by California, right, the Caribbean Sea isn't owned by the Caribbean nations. You know what I mean? I don't know. It's kind of and like a lot of people are like wait, isn't the gulf of california like the same issue as gulf of mexico?

Speaker 1 1:11:45

it's like I'm pretty sure, from what I understand, california, the name predates it's spanish you know, yeah, it predates the existence of the state right right no, for sure, so uh I'm not defending, I just don't care at all. I have zero care for it being called the gulf of america or the gulf of mexico, right, and that's where I don't get that been out, shape out.

Speaker 2 1:12:09

I'm just like what was the? If you have so many big uh, if there's so much to do to straighten out, was this the? Was this really the top of the list on day one?

Speaker 1 1:12:21

Let me ask you this Pat yeah, as a Trump voter man, what's the priority you want? What is at the top? You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 1:12:29

Yeah, just anything that makes differences to what's already, like what's if there's. The problem is the list is so big, right? So things like the Doge stuff we've talked about on here already, it's like we there's a lot of it like what we're seeing, you know, and efficiency stuff, you know, um, some of it I personally don't, like you know, the approach, but, um, but the need for it I see, or, like you know, in, uh, hardening our borders, you know that's important, you know, and the thing they're doing, they're doing a lot of that. And then then it's like Cheaper eggs, it's coming, cheaper eggs. Eggs are coming down a lot already. So those sorts of things, economical stability, all these things, and so I just think that, anyways, I just don't know if these semi-petty or power move things are uniting or actually moves the needle forward in some cases. But you know, and same with, like you know, the big beef, you know, flaring up with our 51st state, you know, incoming from the great white north.

Speaker 1 1:13:33

I know this is also going to piss people off I could care less. I could care less of Canada's. Here's the thing I pretty much wholly entirely agree with the Trump admins point on like Canada wouldn't exist without the US, like Canada exists solely because the US is here and Canada could have been steamrolled by the USSR and could be steamrolled now by China or Russia, right, like if it wasn't for the US. So I don't think we need to own Canada. I don't think we currently own Canada. I do think, however, that Canada I know like they're seriously in debt to the US beyond what they could ever pay, and that we send them so much money on loan for them to essentially fix things that should be under their purview of the government, such as, like their, a lot of. It is like their oceanic border, like their coastal borders. They have just almost zero security for it and they struggle a lot and we send them money on loan to try to build that up and prevent illegal smuggling.

Speaker 1 1:14:48

Um, anyways, all I said, I could care less. I don't necessarily think we need to own canada. I could see a benefit to it, yeah. Um, I tell you what I honestly think if we owned canada, we could see an insane explosion in people leaving the US quote-unquote right to go up to BC. If people knew they could just go up into BC and just live there and still be an American and just retreat, I think we would see an insane amount of people leave other places, retreat, I think we'll.

Speaker 2 1:15:24

we would see an insane amount of people leave the other places and, uh, the what's what the power, the big, the big d power move to is, like you know, the classic like trump wins, I'm moving to canada and then for like, the very well, the very, the very small population that actually stuck to their word, yeah, and then he, just just a couple months later, just just thwarted.

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Speaker 2 1:15:44

But, um, I I do think there's an issue with, uh, respecting country sovereignty and being flippant with it. You know, and yes, you know I, I'd rather have a good, strong ally than just like um kind of something that could be contentious or whatever.

Speaker 2 1:15:59

So but, and definitely, and I think that like, and Canada definitely like knows, I think that the people there know and see and appreciate America for like what we do and who we are to them and why they the lives they have because of the success of America, and I think they, lots of them, do see United States as like, kind of the big brother you know, and and and so, and so I think there's a hurtful to a lot of those people to be like hey, we were already like, yeah, we're fans, but like, but you're like, but you're the way you're treating me right now.

Speaker 2 1:16:34

It's kind of like it's like you know the, just just just hurtful, and so then just throwing stuff off, you know and, but, and you know the, we'll see. I don't think we're taking canada, but there's been lots of? I don't think we are, but it'd be crazy, oh yeah and that, and that's also already cooling off, and part of that too was like that was a lot of that was trump coming after trudeau oh, yeah, and as he's, you know, fizzling out. You know that that's going to cool off.

Speaker 1 1:17:05

One thing I do think, though, would be pretty advantageous, especially if they want to do this, Greenland.

Speaker 2 1:17:11

Yeah, greenland would be pretty sick. Get that icy patch going.

Speaker 1 1:17:19

Yeah, anyways, all pretty crazy stuff, man. The world of politics is pretty bonkers, ever evolving, um, and you know what? If anything, this is just a lesson, I think to, not even a lesson. This just reinforces the point of like politicians are people, and often what I've heard is that they're just the people who are willing to start walking and setting foot into the political sphere because they're just so sick and tired of doing like what you know the rest of us enjoy doing. Like so many people I hear like I've been told, like I have a.

Speaker 1 1:17:58

I have someone I know who works in politics and he was saying that his wording is that most politicians are stupid.

Speaker 1 1:18:07

They're very dumb, stupid people who could never succeed at a blue-collar job, let alone a real, like PhD-level white-collar job, and they get into politics because everyone else is too busy working their jobs and they're like I don't have time to get involved with being running from air, let alone being my county's treasurer, let alone xyz, right and um, he's like I wish people would, because all we need is smart people to be in politics. Most of the smart people are in business and manipulating the dumb politicians and I'm just like, okay, I don't know enough to. I don't know, I don't know enough politicians to agree with them, but that's what he says, um, and he is a politician, so it's kind of ironic, but, um, but uh, it was one of those things where I hear that and I just think this kind of this kind of stuff reinforces that. You know what I mean. Like, these are people. These are not, you know, remotely close to divine, you know godlike beings that sometimes they were like, looked at throughout all history, and they're going to be dumb and they're going to do dumb things. They're going to have bad opinions and sometimes we hope that they get it right for the rest of us, um, and they do the right thing for the majority.

Speaker 2 1:19:28

But, all that said, we'll see for sure and like like one of the classified things or one of the probably not classified things on this group. This goal group chat was uh, um, fist bump things on this group chat was a fist bump American flag fire emoji Crazy. Just like people just on the bro chat just dropping bombs in the Middle East Absolutely unreal. It's wild, super wild. Oh, but I think we covered a few things today.

Speaker 2 1:20:04

Yeah, yeah A lot of drama, definitely, and I think we'll be checking back in Probably next episode we'll be checking in on probably go over talk through some of how that training went, what we learned break down what we saw, what we, what we uh, where we were falling short, and kind of what the tips and tricks we picked up were. And it'll be fun to go over that and, um, just see uh debrief that.

Speaker 2 1:20:33

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Speaker 2 1:21:00

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Speaker 1 1:21:19

I guess I'll do your line Till next time.