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The Mick & Pat Show - When Silhouettes Are All That Remain

• Mick and Pat • Season 3 • Episode 20

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Ever wondered what happens when gun culture meets 80s synth wave aesthetics? Our conversation kicks off with deep dives into custom firearm builds, the psychological differences between "range toys" and last-stand defensive weapons, and the surprisingly satisfying art of spray painting guns in neon retro patterns. 

The world seems perpetually on fire, and we're tracking the hottest flashpoints. From the recent LA riots that featured livestreamed chaos and vehicles ramming through crowds, to the ironically effective "No Kings March" protests that remained relatively peaceful despite tensions. We examine how these events affect public perception of immigration enforcement and deportation policies, noting the striking shift in support from traditionally liberal voices.

The Israel-Iran conflict takes center stage as we break down the missile exchanges, targeted strikes on nuclear facilities, and ominous warnings from both sides. Having grown weary of endless Middle Eastern entanglements, we question America's appropriate role in this powder keg situation. Is this truly the catalyst for World War III, or another chapter in a seemingly eternal regional struggle? We also unpack the surprising historical reasons why Palestinian refugees face rejection from neighboring Muslim countries despite shared religious identity.

Throughout our conversation, we maintain our commitment to independent thinking. Whether you agree with our takes or find yourself shouting counterarguments at your speaker, our goal is to encourage critical examination of these complex issues. The world burns around us, but engaged citizenship requires understanding the fires – even while we paint our guns in technicolor dreams.

What's your perspective on these global flashpoints? Join the conversation and share your thoughts on where America's priorities should lie in these turbulent times.

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Custom Gun Builds and Range Toys

Speaker 1

anyway.

Speaker 1

So when I was working on the super safety, which uh, it's not mine, it's you know, I don't know whose it is. It was just in my garage, um, but I was working on super safety and, uh, my buddy who was helping me with it was like, yeah, what are you gonna have? This just gonna be a range toy fun gun. Yeah, what are you going to have? This is just going to be a range toy fun gun. I was like, nah, dude, this is the they're in the walls gun, this is the. You know, like Ruby Ridge, waco, stuff, like Billie Jean's, either like dead and gone or I've already, like you know, she's already been escorted out and the dog's out. And then now it's like like, all right, I guess, if they're coming in, like just fucking fill the walls, swiss cheese, you know. Because I mean, like what else? Like what else? Yeah, this isn't gonna be my recce gun. I'm not taking this to do like precision 400 meter shots 400 shots 400 meter, yeah, 400 shots 400 shots within one meter.

Welcome to The Mick and Pat Show

Speaker 1

One meter but you know, it's also, like you know, my flux, after running the flux with a lot of cqb stuff, that's definitely the the platform, I think, for cqb engagements, where you need to have like discretion and you don't want to worry about over penetration, um, and you also, like you know, quote unquote, indiscretion. I mean like, um, it's very covert, right, it's very easy to have that in a backpack and it doesn't print like an ar, whereas, like you know, 12.5 ar with the super safety. That's not what I want in a CQB environment where there's a lot of not bad guys. So, you know, I think that's probably in my eyes. That's my final stand. You know what I mean Fun boy gun, because I can't really see a scenario where it's getting used outside of that other than to be like, hey, you guys want to see something cool, yeah, hold this trigger. Hold this trigger which scientifically moves forward and resets every single time, but it's going to feel like you're riding a motorcycle, it's going to feel like there's a motorcycle tailpipe between your legs yeah, um.

Speaker 1

Anyways, if you don't understand anything, I was just talking about welcome to the mick and pat show. Uh, we're we're talking about a lot of just uh, what do we? What do we say? We always say it here the zeitgeist. We're talking about the stuff in the news and right now Mick's just talking about how he I enjoys working on guns and hanging out having beers with a buddy while dremeling, and you know.

Speaker 3

Polishing.

Speaker 1

Yeah, just making sure things work together, cleaning it up, but I am a law-abiding citizen who is a good swimmer and is very safe with firearms, and I don't break any laws when I'm working on them. So if anyone's thinking out there that we're talking about something that sounds illegal, it's actually not illegal. It's all legal under federal and state law here. Um, I'm a square. I'm a square in that, though you can have really fun getting right up to the line yeah, that's what I've learned like without like you don't need to break the law to have fun, but it's most fun right there, right at the line.

Speaker 3

Getting up close to it, gazing over the edge.

Speaker 1

Yeah, and for those of you who don't know what a super safety is, I'll probably have a video on it here soon coming out. I have four episodes of Mixed Miscellaneous edited oh nice.

Speaker 1

And the only thing I need to do is decide the order in which I want to release them. Two of them are just spray paint your gun episodes, with talking about kind of uh, most popular topics on youtube, essentially right. Like I'm just looking at like what's the most common thing video essay that people are watching. All right, I'll make a video essay on that, with me spray painting guns in the background, and then the other ones are me shooting guns also video essays. Nice, some of those videos are going to be like tutorials on, uh, like basic stage practice, like how to get into competitive shooting and how to like practice on the range, but those will be a lot shorter and a lot more snippety. These are kind of long form, turn it on and have something play in the background content as well, like a podcast video essay stuff. But yeah, anyways, I'll do one on super safety too, because it was a.

Speaker 1

It was a total bitch to get working. It was insane. Dude took a few iterations. Yeah, I like was dremeling totally ruined, like two dremel bits and uh, a lot of. Well, I just had to assemble an ar lower too. You just got. I had to build out my new lower to test this right.

Speaker 1

Because you kind of want to have a dedicated lower for it. It's not a quick swap, yeah, but anyway it's fun, it's good, it's working. I'm a happy camper. Some other guys on the range today who were there are also happy campers because they got to shoot it too.

Speaker 3

But you have to feel the freedom, yeah the uh. How's your uh, your samurai practice going?

Speaker 1

I'll be honest, I haven't done the uh stages practice for the samurai one in a minute on the range. I do it still. Probably two times a week is when I'm practicing at home dry fire because they're just my go-to practice on the range. I've been practicing so I don't look like a fud. I've been practicing our uh post certification drills. I need to practice that a little more because I don't want to be the guy. I'd be like hey, here's the standard.

Speaker 3

And then like fuck it up I've been thinking the same thing myself. Hey, I'm going tomorrow.

Speaker 1

I'm taking, I'm taking one of our guys, one of our new guys on the security team to practice. Oh nice the fly boy yeah, that guy former fly boy former fly boy.

Speaker 3

Oh, oh, okay, right on, yeah nice that'll be good.

Speaker 1

Which one's the? Oh, the actual guy who flies planes. Yeah, this guy is the former fix planes that people are flying.

Speaker 3

Yeah, yeah, no, that'll be good. Yeah, I need to. Like I was saying before I started recording, I've not been hitting it as regularly. The life gets in the way of the activities yeah I gotta get back on the that.

Speaker 1

I don't uh, yeah, I don't look like a, like a goofball yeah, but you're also a business owner and you have gone down three employees due to seasonal shifts. Yep, they're coming back ish but we're being replenished they're being replenished, but it takes a while.

Speaker 3

And then when you're in the busy season, yep, it's even busier can't just leave work for an hour in the middle of the day and go shoot my gun anymore yep that was a nice, nice amount of time.

Speaker 1

We'll get back to that I do think when you join the range next year, it's gonna be great for our friendship.

Speaker 3

I need it. It's I need to fix it again. It's broke. The spring popped off. I fixed it once before. Okay, right, uh, it's the uh. Our big prop pistol is uh I can't believe you broke this it's not uh um how often?

Speaker 1

how many more times?

Speaker 1

have you shot it than me. You come in here and shoot it during the week. Oh yeah, you bastard, you bitch. How dare you touch her when I'm not around? It's a big old prop, uh, lamant reballer, um, but uh, yeah, if you join the range next year, well, in august, and uh, we get to go to the range as much as we want without paying more monies. It's gonna be great for our friendship. It's gonna be brutal on our wallets. We get to go to the range as much as we want without paying more monies it's going to be great for our friendship.

Speaker 1

It's going to be brutal on our wallets.

Speaker 3

The ammunition, yeah and gas, the only thing that keeps me from going more now is not having people to go with. Oh yeah, because you don't want to just go by yourself and just blow it, you want to do it and hang out.

Speaker 1

I do like going by myself, but yeah, it is so much more fun to go with someone else and have like someone to practice with.

Speaker 3

And work through stuff together.

Speaker 1

Yeah.

Speaker 3

Yeah, so I think I'm ready enough for that post cert firearm.

Speaker 1

Yeah, it won't be hard. Honestly, here's the thing. Here's it for people don't know what we're talking about. Post. Post is like the acronym for the Police Officer Standard Training Academy, I think that's what it is. Or Police Officer State Training Academy it's the state standards in Colorado for police officer qualifications. You go to POST Academy to become a police officer and part of that is you do a firearms qualification.

Speaker 3

Peace Officer Standards and Training. That thing officer, and part of that is you do a firearms qualification.

Speaker 1

Peace officer standards and training that thing, um, but it's uh, here's the thing, guys.

Speaker 1

It's really not that hard and you can look up what your state's peace officer standard training is.

Speaker 1

It's probably not going to be called post everywhere, but if you look it up and then you can see what, like the expectation of police are held to to pass a firearms qual, and then you could go like practice that and easily build up the same level of competency that is entrusted in. You know, state officers, local County officers, all that, um, now, a lot of cops do that and they don't do anything else. And those are the cops who suck at shooting and get people hurt and killed because they don't take it, they don't practice for, you know, the worst day on their job. But then there's also a lot of cops who take it very seriously and go above and beyond or are super squared away and freaking tack drivers, um, and those are the dudes who are prepared for the worst day on the job. Um, so I'm not saying you do this, you're as good as a cop, equivalent to a cop. What I am saying is you do this, it's a good standard, it's a good start yeah, it's a good place to start and then build off of.

Firearms Training and Range Practice

Speaker 1

So once you're there and you pass it, you're like, okay, what, what's next? Honestly, I want to do like when you become a range member, I want to record us at the range and I want to do every single law enforcement agency like federal agency oh yeah and state agencies.

Speaker 1

Firearms qualification exam see how far up you can get yeah, because I hear the hardest one is the air marshals because of like you have, it's like a lot of headshots I've heard that and uh, the ogs, or like the, basically the contractors for the cia those guys? Can we get their standards?

Speaker 3

you can't get the standards of, but I bet we can.

Speaker 1

We can probably like I bet we could, I bet I can pull some strings with some dod guys ask like to get close, you know.

Speaker 3

But I've heard that one's like. I've heard guys who are like really good go to that and then they're like oh wow, this is hard yeah, I do.

Speaker 1

Uh, I do have a couple guys who I know are like I used to work with that are former delta and I bet delta's handgun shit is just as hard. I don't know that, though, but I would bet I'll see if I can get those quals.

Speaker 3

But I think it is similar to the reason why the US Marshals is hard and I think the reason why that CIA operator contractor one is because it's usually for hostage type stuff or very close environments where it's other innocent people around you, because if you're in a war zone you obviously got to be like on it. But there's typically like a line which is like that way is bad, this way is good.

Speaker 1

Yeah.

Speaker 3

You know versus like on a fucking plane.

Speaker 1

Yeah, yeah, 30,000 feet in the air.

Speaker 3

And you got to make it count.

Speaker 1

Yeah, that'd be cool.

Speaker 3

Speaking of which, I just painted my flux. Yeah, what do you think about it? Is it cool? I think it is. I think it depends on, like, I think it's cool, right, but I think that you think it's gay. No, I think I do. I like it. I think that it fits the mick and pat show vibe check. Yeah, because it's um, it's got some retro looks to it, you know I really wanted it to look like.

Speaker 1

It is. Like you know it's coming off of the like 80s taco bell. Styrofoam drink cup yeah, that's what it looks like yeah a lot of pink, neon, neon, teal, turquoise, maybe Like Rhodesia brushstroke, but 80s synth wave.

Speaker 3

Yeah, I think it does look cool. I think that if someone just I think that if you just posted it online and just were like like a random Reddit page and then just the comments would flow in of, just like I think you'd get a lot of hate for it.

Speaker 1

I'm going to fucking do it. I'm not saying it's not cool, I'm going to do it. I think it's the coolest thing in the world. No, here's the real thing, man. Like I just had a vision, like I knew I wanted to do something very synth wave, retro, and at first, I really was just going to do that styrofoam cup design.

Speaker 1

You know I'm talking about where it's like just the z squiggly line, yeah, and it's like teal on the white background, yep, and I was gonna do that, but then I was like that's too basic. I still wanted to have like some kind of like pattern to it, and so then I I saw this pattern online, this synth wave camo brushstroke pattern, and I was like all right, and I stared at it for hours trying to figure out how it's late, how its layers were done, you know, and like in the in the image and then.

Speaker 1

So I went out and color matched everything that I could with spray paint and did it, and it was a huge learning curve because, like neon, paint is not great for when you apply a clear coat over it. It gets rid of the neon, like all this, like darker stuff. Here is where I realized I it was good. It was like bright like this neon color and I clear coated over it and it went like a dark, almost like pink purple color.

Speaker 1

Oh, yeah yep, so I had to reapply the neon and stuff, but anyways, I like it a lot. I think it's bitchin, and here's my thing. Here's, here's the reason I really like it one. I didn't know this until afterwards, but it's the same colors as the trans ally flag. Oh, yes which I think is camouflage I think it's great camouflage and I think, in case I ever have, social camouflage exactly.

Speaker 1

if I ever have to use this, it's going to get photographed and added to evidence. They're gonna be like why'd you paint this? Do you think your gun is a toy? I'm like no, but I am ally, so let that be said for the record. That has no bearing on how I just shot this trans school shooter, like clearly I'm not biased. Anyways, dark joke. But then the other thing is that I do think it does disguise it from looking like a gun like I think if I pull this up and like you're at 10 yards, it's not gonna look like a gun.

Speaker 1

it'll look like a gun. If it goes bang bang, it'll sound like a gun, but I do think it will buy me just another second or two before a cop might pull the trigger and shoot me and give me that time to drop the gun and be like whoa, whoa, I'm a good guy. Gun is gone, gun is down on the ground, don't shoot me. You know what I mean? And ultimately, that's like one thing we realized and we talked about in another episode of ours is like how easy it is to be a good dude with a gun and get shot by other good dudes with guns in the confusion, and I'd like this to prevent that from happening. Oh, but, excuse me, I love it. There's a video of this that will be going up in another Mixed Miscellaneous where people could see everything I learned in the process and the pattern and style. I really do like spray painting guns. I think I'm gonna spray paint all my guns.

Speaker 3

oh yeah, there's just something very satisfying about it um, I think that's how you claim it as your own.

Speaker 1

Yeah, and it's like it protects from rust, and there's practical things too, for sure like, like, even the, the first gun I ever got.

Speaker 3

What a Marlin Lever Action 3030. Did you spray paint that?

Speaker 3

Well, no. Okay, yeah, no, but what I did do was I did take the wood off and sand it down and restain it myself, and also, before I stained it, I just carved my name in the butt, the uh, butt of the grip, nice, of the handle. So then when I stained over it and then it just, and then I didn't really let it dry right well enough before I grabbed it and actually held it, but then it just looked really old now, like looked all like there's a slight like wear.

Speaker 3

Yeah, it's all worn where you hold it you know, and now I have like used it a lot but so I just like, anyways, it's got like it's, and now I have used it a lot so I was just like, anyways, it's cool when you have, I don't know, I hope someday someone looks when I'm 80, someone has a gun in my family and looks at the bottom of it and knows they see Pat on the bottom and they're like, oh, that's sick. You know, whatever, that was his. This got etched in the bottom at the beginning of time.

Speaker 1

Did you etch anything else other than Pat?

Speaker 3

No.

The Blistering Eternity of Politics

Speaker 1

Do you wonder, like I did hear a story about how someone inherited a gun from their grandfather. Oh yeah. And scratched on like the like bottom of the revolver's frame was like like something like john's n-word, like dealer. Oh my god, it's like what the fuck like? Holy shit you're.

Speaker 3

You just got grandpa's heirloom and you find out grandpa was a super racist, bad dude like good gosh, yeah no, where you get or if it's got, you know well if you uh taking some notches in it, you know yeah, that's cool.

Speaker 1

I did think about doing that with all my guns before I sell them, just putting notches in them, it's just so that way, someone's like well, like if I, especially if I like, sell it to a gun store, I'm like, uh, what's the term where, like you, put it up for sale in the gun store, they get a little consignment, because I'm yeah if I do consignment. Yeah, if you put notches on a gun, it's gonna sell so fast.

Speaker 3

I know I just the way I feel about notches is the same way I feel about like getting teardrop tattoos. You better have done it you know that's awesome.

Speaker 1

Yeah, that's a big dog just claiming it.

Speaker 3

You know it's a big, you better done it, oh yeah we also brought.

Speaker 1

well, I brought um, which I didn't even think about it, but look it kind of matches my. It does match it all. Right, if you want to know the paint job of my gun, my flux, look up blistering eternity by true. That's ironic, I didn't expect it, but that is like one-to-one color match. This is an IPA, a new IPA by True. I don't think they've had it come out before seasonally and we're not doing a review or anything crazy, but it's a classic True IPA. Troubadour Truth, rawr, north Star Pills, flaked Oats, 7% alcohol, brewed in Wheat Ridge, colorado. I don't know who was in Wheat Ridge, I guess I thought the Denver taproom was also the brewery. But I've had one of these already. Like a couple days ago I thought it was a really good IPA. I can't remember if it has much of a fruit flavor, but it's pretty good and something to enjoy while we talk about politics.

Speaker 3

The blistering eternity of politics. The blistering eternity of politics. The question is is the rest of eternity on this earth going to be blistering due to the lack of? You know? Atmosphere and uh and when you walk around you're like denzel in book of eli, just just hoping to get some cat grease. Just need some cat grease to put on your on your lips uh, because you're.

Speaker 1

It's actually a phenomenal song by the postal service do you know that song we'll play it because I don't think it'll get copyrighted at this point all right let me pull it up and I'll. I'll pause my other music, but uh, do you know who the postal service was?

Speaker 1

a band um excuse me, um and uh. The reason they're called the postal service is because all the band members were in different states during college, okay, and they would record their parts and their tracks and their lines and then mail them all to the lead singer to mix. And so they were called the postal service, cause that's how the band existed. Yeah.

Speaker 1

Um, but they have a quite a few like really great songs in my opinion, um, and I think they only have technically two albums before uh Ben, the lead singer, created or helped found uh death cab for cutie which a lot of the members from the postal service joined them in.

Speaker 1

Okay, um, but I do believe that such great heights if I, oh no, we will become silhouettes. Yeah, that makes sense. Um, so I'll play. Uh, I'll play this here for us. Some great lyrics here as it's coming. But it's like a classic, I don't know, cold War family picture in this music video. Right, you guys should just look it up and watch the video. But this whole song is about, like the nuclear apocalypse. Hmm.

Speaker 1

And I'm looking through the glass when the light bends at the cracks, and I'm screaming at the top of my lungs, pretending the echoes belong to God. So he's talking about being in the bunker. Right, he's alone in the bunker, having survived the apocalypse. He's pretending that the voices are his friends and family from before the bombs fell, when we become Silhouettes, where our bodies finally go. You know, because Adam Bonds turned you to silhouette on concrete, I'm going to keep on letting it play in the background, but there's quite a few great lyrics in here and it's like that weird optimistic tone. And then there's lines like when our bodies disassemble at a molecular level.

Speaker 3

It does sound a little bit like Owl City.

Speaker 1

Just shut your mouth. Owl City cannot hold a candle to this band. I mean like that light vibe.

Speaker 3

There's no emo wah-wah, whiny sound. I think it sounds like it a little bit. Give me my beer back, I'm going home. Give me my beer back, I do like it.

Speaker 1

Fix my toy revolver. Give me my beer back, we could record next week. Oh man, dude, that's so offensive to me that I hate owl city.

Speaker 1

Um, anyways, uh, they have another really good song that is pretty good about, uh, essentially the uh, complacency and potential like scheme of climate control.

LA Riots and Immigration Enforcement

Speaker 1

Uh, as well, as, it's like that song, as well as the tangent of like um, the jfk assassination, and that the jfk, the jfk assassination, has so much like confusion and conspiracy around it that what if the like truth is just that, a truth, a simple truth?

Speaker 1

Um, in the lines like, uh, you know, um gosh I'm trying to remember how it starts uh, um, he's like a man, uh, bored and slightly confused, just alone with something to prove, and he became famous on that day in November I think it's like along those lines, right when he pulled the trigger and sent Bullet to sender and it was, and it's essentially like, just like, how, like that is that thing. And then, like you know, the US government tells us like, hey, we should drive our cars less and stuff like that. Um, and we should feel good about, you know, the like little bit of like pollution, um, preventative nature. We do, he's like, but on the upside, even though that's not doing anything, at least the weather's changed so much that we can swim any day in November and I'm like. That's kind of a.

Speaker 1

At least the weather's changed so much that we can swim any day in November and I'm like that's kind of a neat lyric Right. And. I was. Anyways, all of the songs are kind of like, uh, that like mid two thousands, like uh, post-cold war, uh, reflection songs, right they're. They're all like reflections from like a gen, like a millennial, old millennial, on like hey, this is like the world we're inheriting pretty much, and like you gotta have like grim realism about like the post-cold war environment, while also like being able to make kind of like light jokes about it.

Speaker 1

Such as like very upbeat positive song about the end of the world in a nuclear apocalypse. Upbeat positive song about JFK assassination and climate change. Anyways, sorry, I just you're talking about. We Got Out of. This Tangent and that song really reminds me of how I feel about all of this going on.

Speaker 3

Yeah, yeah, We've had the last. Last week we've had a few things. What's hit was kind of kicking off with some of those. The LA riots were looking pretty, pretty wild. You know a little bit. And then we had the no Kings March in America, Then also then the biggest, or you know definitely most violent you know what I tell you, man? Glad we still don't have a king it's crazy how effective that was.

Speaker 1

I don't think I've ever seen a protest as effective as no kings march, because I it's. I can't find a king in america anywhere.

Speaker 3

It's super effective, like getting your covid booster I really thought.

Speaker 1

I really thought. I thought that after the no kings march, maybe we wouldn't have kings at a federal, nationwide level, but there'd still be like little state kings. Yeah, we don't. There's not even the county king. It's. It's pretty wild. The only king I know is king supers. Yeah, it's a local joke.

Speaker 1

Uh, uh, but it was. Uh, yeah, no, I agree it was. It was kind of. I was very actually I I don't always do this, but when I do, I try to make sure it's as positive of a thing as possible. But, uh, the internet's pretty liberal. Reddit is super flaming liberal and basically as far left as you could go before you start breaking the law, and they posted a bunch of stuff about how it was actually pretty peaceful throughout Colorado's locations of the no Kings protests and I just took a time to like comment on them.

Speaker 1

Like, hey, even though I might not politically agree, it's super cool to see a positive, peaceful protest. Um, thank you for being peaceful, thank you for not destroying people's property. Uh, very happy that there are police present to you know react if anything happened and that they didn't have to do anything. They just got to stand around all day. Uh, and I got like very, you know, some people were like, oh, you disagree politically, that's what they latched on to, right? But a lot of people were like, yeah, thanks for saying that. It's cool to know like you guys appreciate our right to do this without it being like having to be contentious. Um, I was very thankful. I was expecting it to get way worse in denver. You know what I mean.

Speaker 3

So very thankful that it didn't get that bad because, since it was coming on the heels of the la riots, yeah, which are, you know like those were the. I mean I was texting you that night when I sat there, I sat on youtube for three hours yeah, and then what? You went to bed for an hour and a half yeah, I came into bed for a short hour, was that before I woke?

Speaker 3

up to fly but I was so locked in so what was happening? So I was just like scrolling youtube shorts, whatever. And then, I guess you know the same happens. All of a sudden it's like a live video is playing on my youtube short. So I'm like and it's like most of the time, like when like a live video pops up, it's like some dude just like playing his guitar, really bad. Or it's like some like random guy, like it's just like the most like the YouTube live world is very random and super weird, super weird. But this was all like.

Speaker 3

This was something was actually happening in this and it was a guy was in LA filming, just walking around filming the riots and the sun was. And it was a guy was uh in la filming, uh, just walking around filming the riots and the sun was up. It was like 7 pm when he was there and uh, there was what caught my eye was it said live, but there was three cop cars uh, beneath an overpass with about 300 people surrounding the top of the. They were up on the overpass hucking stuff down at the cop cars like bottles, traffic cones and big fireworks. They're throwing big fireworks down in the smoking. So I start watching this.

Speaker 3

It's just this young kid um, probably 19 year old kid and I watched for three hours straight and there was really not much of a dull moment for three hours and during this, because as he was running to like also all the people who were like on the live he has a pretty small channel, like maybe a couple, like maybe 20K subscribers or whatever, but he had like 7, 000 people on live watching him and they were people were commenting in like where stuff was happening and he would like run over there and go check it out. Um, so it was like live reporting from like whatever people wanted to see. He'd run and go show you and, um, I mean, there was uh, uh, lines are starting to form and he's there's, there's people ripping, railing out of the ground and building a barricade as horse, as police officers on horses and like and guys in right gear marching forward, and he's like right there next to it. And then people are throwing big fireworks into the crowd, into the crowd of police officers, but the horses are scattering like it's kind of mayhem. There's I saw a lady get shot with rubber bullets, like it was all.

Speaker 3

It was like all the highlights of the riot were just in this three hour kids video. He even then at some point somebody who was against the riots ran over a person in the road.

Speaker 1

I saw that one, yeah, was it a minivan. Well, I saw the one where the minivan it was a van but that van was an undercover, like FBI van and they were shuttling someone they had arrested. Oh, this was, and like this person was like trying to stop that van from moving and that van ran him over. And then I did see a couple other videos. I don't know, they didn't, they weren't when the day you sent it to me.

Speaker 3

There's just a couple of ones coming up the last couple days where people got clipped and ran over by cars because they were trying to block them this was like a random guy and he was in a intersection and he puts his he like, he kind of like people wouldn't let him through, he kind of bumped him and then he just puts it in reverse and he's just going doing reverse like donuts and while he's reverse donating on this live youtube stream, people are just hucking stuff at the windows, blew out all the windows of this car. After he, he, the person who got quote unquote ran over. They walked, they stood up and walked away and ran after him. But, um, I mean, it was crazy, they were, they were the I was. I thought I was about to watch the mob.

Speaker 3

Get this guy really I mean and they were blowing out all the windows in his car. He drove off and it just I was like, oh, my goodness, like so, and the fact that all that was happening on this one like uh, whatever, youtube live stream.

Speaker 1

I was like how many things are going on all over what's weird, man, is that every time you sent me that video link, I would open it and I thought it was boring as hell I would just close it. Yeah, but I think you know the reason I think that stuff is I'm pretty desensitized because I watched the live streams from within chaz oh yeah and that was like watching people get shot with real bullets. That was watching people like beat the shit out of each other oh yeah, and the name of liberal unity right this is the craziest thing and, uh, the amount.

Speaker 1

I think it was something like 13 people who got shot and killed in chas. It's wild yeah, in like the two weeks it ran. I will never forget, though, just like watching them plant the garden, like our community garden and food center, and then watching the homeless just coming no, they stole it all.

Speaker 1

Some homeless people came up and stole all the food and all this and then, like, they went to twitter and they're like please, any other volunteers come and help and supply us with food. It's all been stolen and it's like by our comrades? No shit it's like you dumbasses, oh dude. It was the funniest thing in the world. I felt bad for the people who died, but at the same time I was like you shouldn't have been you should have not been in there.

Israel, Iran, and Nuclear Tensions

Speaker 1

You guys should not have just been like you guys. The moment some dude came in and was a like self-proclaimed rapper and also your self-proclaimed governor yeah, like dude. A guy walked in I don't know, I can't remember his name, but he was like I'm in charge and like everyone was like okay like it was like that's what people started dying.

Speaker 3

It was, it was like a faction of the walking dead it was. It's like it's also, guys, don't you realize? The rest of America is just doing its thing.

Speaker 1

Everyone else is like I'm going to work.

Speaker 3

How are you going to exist in this street corner?

Speaker 1

Yeah, the Chaz Chop saga will always be like. I swear they're trying to erase it, because I've already talked to people who don't remember it.

Speaker 3

Oh yeah.

Speaker 1

I'm like, how do you not remember it? That was the most, that was the closest thing to a real insurrection we've had in the last like five years, ten years, oh yeah, like that was more insurrection than january 6th, my opinion oh yeah, because it was an established zone where they were willing to kill police and then they were killing people in the zone.

Speaker 1

I'm like, come on, like, let's be real. Who died in the january six? Shit call a spade a spade man who died. A couple cops who suicided. One cop had a heart attack I heard from from and like, running he was. He overexerted himself, which honestly not not surprising.

Speaker 3

I've seen a lot of DC cops. One girl got shot by the cops.

Speaker 1

And one woman was shot by Secret Service and killed. Which tragedy. She should not have been shot and killed. There was no one who was armed in the Capitol building. There's no one who was armed in the Capitol building. I don't think there's any reason to shoot and kill.

Speaker 3

And should they have stormed in there?

Speaker 1

No, but was it like a takeover? No, but they were also invited. You know, that's the crazy thing. It's like they stormed up the stairs and then the Capitol security was like okay, like come on in and just go that way, yeah, and I was just like what the fuck? Anyway, I just see that and I see videos of Chaz and I'm like this was the craziest thing that happened in my lifetime. Probably was the Chaz chop zone, um, and then I guess I just saw all this stuff in LA and I was just like waiting with breath. I'm like, yeah, but when? When's Chaz 2? When's Chaz chop 2? And uh, I guess it's kind of getting close in Seattle, dude, like the Seattle Portland area.

Speaker 1

I've watched quite a few videos of the cops straight up running away with like out maintaining formation oh my gosh and being overwhelmed by a crowd, and I'm just like damn, seattle and Portland police suck, like they are terrible at their jobs. I always feel bad when I see the Seattle police roll up on bikes and they're like bike suits. They're like stop, do not cross, return your vehicles. And like they're like slamming. They're like stop, do not cross, return your vehicles. And like they're like slamming their bikes on the ground I was like dude, I, oh man, if I was a rider, your ass be beat, bro. Like you, you ain't stopping nobody with your bicycle dog. Yeah I, bike cops are the least intimidating force and it's.

Speaker 3

It's gotta be scary, yeah, on that end of things, mine it's literally like this.

Speaker 1

Everything about me is based on balance.

Speaker 3

It's like 21 Jump Street in the scene where there are bike cops in the beginning. Yeah, in the park.

Speaker 1

Yeah, they're just like such a joke. They lose their mind when they get like their first arrest. Oh yeah, just kids dealing drugs or something. Yeah.

Speaker 1

Anyways, all I said, I do think it's pretty crazy, I do think it's sad the damage that was caused and how awful the treatment of people treating their communities. I do think, though, that this is pretty impactful, because this just made everybody, I think, who was like I don't know, is it bad or good? I'm not really pro people coming here and taking advantage of the system and, you know, not paying in to contribute to America, and I definitely am not pro, like you know, bad people who are criminals coming over here illegally, but I don't know if I really agree with like rounding them up and deporting them, and this is like this is not Mick's opinion, this is, you know, I really agree with like rounding them up and deporting them, and I'm and this is like this is not Mick's opinion, this is you know.

Speaker 1

I'm just saying people in defense, people who are like I didn't really like it when Obama did it. I don't really like it that Trump's doing it. You know people who are like in that camp, I think they saw this and they're like, well, get them all out. I think all of them are now on the other side. All of them are like yeah, get them out. Like so many people I saw who I never thought and I'll say this I'm not a proponent of deploying military to do policing, so like I was not a fan of the deployment of the Marines and National Guard.

Speaker 1

I understand why it happened and the precedent for it. I just still am one of those people who think like the military is not a good policing agency. But, all that said, there was a lot of people I know who were very pro for it that I would have never thought would have ended up there. People who are lifelong Democrats would describe themselves as liberal and they're like, yeah, it's got to get this under control. These people. These are clearly just like a criminal faction that needs to go, like they have no care for our country, um, and I was like, damn, yeah, that's crazy bad behavior. Pushed them over. Um, so all I said I thought it was pretty fascinating. Was there anything I don't recall like deaths? I don't think there was like any reported like people died right, like there was no cop that ended up getting killed right In any of this from what I understand and I don't remember there being like any actual shootouts or anything like that anywhere- Not like everything that I'm looking up.

Speaker 3

When I look up deaths of LA riots is the Rodney King stuff you? Know A lot of people died during that. Yeah, 63 people died in that and 2,000 were injured and 12,000 arrested.

Speaker 1

I bet it was more than 63, bro.

Speaker 2

You know what I mean. I bet a lot of people just weren't found.

Speaker 3

Yeah, yeah, but the um, yeah, yeah, I think so is it was a relatively peaceful protest in that sense?

Speaker 1

yeah, they just burned a few cars and threw some explosives at cops and, you know, ripped up stuff out of the ground, but um, it's crazy that stuff happens like that in la and all that you never see people doing that shit in florida, where the cops are like I'll fucking kill you did.

Speaker 3

You see that one, yeah, yeah, it's always that sheriff that says stuff. He's like if you point a weapon at us, if you throw a brick at us, we will be notifying your family when to pick up your remains. It's like oh my gosh bro.

Speaker 1

And what he's told. He's like all Floridian drivers you have permission to run people over, even if it kills them. And I was like holy, basically just deputized the fucking county. He's like y'all get to run bitches over deputized it's crazy, oh my goodness.

Speaker 3

And I do think with the, the mass deportation stuff is going on. What I do think is unfortunate about the approach would be I do think it's a quantitative, not qualitative approach, meaning like and they are again ICE and stuff is targeting like known like gang members and stuff too, but it's still like. I do feel like probably at the top. It's like and it's been like you know, put out from Trump and stuff too, like you know, talking about it as if being like this is the largest in history of mankind. This is going to be the biggest, you know and there is crazy, because it's still like what?

Speaker 1

4 million behind Obama for his second admin.

Speaker 3

Is that how many pulled out? We'll have to look it up. I really have no idea for him. I second admin said how many pulled out. Well, to look it up, I I I really have no idea for him. Obama got eight million in his four years deported. He just kind of was. No one gave two, he just kept it, kept it cool and talked to talk to his cool talk, and that was the craziest part about trump's first admin is like he was maintained.

Speaker 1

He was just keeping up with it uh-huh like his first admin, he just maintained the border policy. Everyone was like he's separating parents from children at the border, and trump was like that's it.

Speaker 3

That's just what we were doing. That's obama's policy. I showed up. We're still doing that. We're just doing what he's been doing it was crazy how the narrative changed for sure, and I think that, um, some of like there's been, like there's a handful of people who have been like grabbed, who maybe shouldn't have been or whatever, or like have made their cases like have gotten really big, and so people have latched on to those, and I do think that I still haven't found one.

Speaker 1

That was true.

Speaker 3

That's what I was about to say. I don't think that like I think they've been latched on to quite a bit, but I do think in general you do have to be careful if you're going for just numbers, not quality meaning like I'd rather have like 50.

Speaker 1

Venezuelans. You'd rather have Jose and his family, who are good people that want to contribute to their community.

Speaker 3

Stay here and give some Venezuelan gang member, whatever than like Muerto.

Speaker 1

Blanco, who's got black teardrops on his eyes and he doesn't work a job, right, right and he goes to jose and extorts jose's day money exactly, exactly.

Speaker 3

So I think that's where you got to be careful with the going for the, the, that the the mass deport versus like focused and I'm not running the show, I don't know what they aren't doing. I'm sure there's a lot of people are very like. Uh, there are people out there who are conscious of that. But during his two terms in office, the obama administration formally removed approximately 3.1 million non-citizens from the united states I'm.

Speaker 1

I saw an eight million number somewhere, right, but even still, I mean, that's still, that's still a lot, that's still a trumpette now um, let's see, um, I'm looking it up um, and the, how much has he done?

Speaker 3

and so I think that also part of it being just like, the approach matters too. Like remember the I showed you that and I mean I talked about it on the show but the Instagram video I showed you it was the ASMR video of like deporting illegals that was put out by like the White House. Did I show you that?

Speaker 1

Yeah.

Speaker 3

That was not good optics.

Speaker 1

Yeah, it's like guys like don't.

Speaker 3

That's not helping any of the cause here. They say it's difficult to ascertain. On the old AI, I got another one here from NPR I think.

Speaker 1

No, not NPR Migration policy. That's estimating around 5 mil, okay. I think no, not NPR migration policy. That's like estimating around five mil, okay. So I don't know, I don't know what the consensus and you know what.

Speaker 3

Maybe the numbers of deported versus illegal immigrants deported is different, like maybe people were here illegally and then got deported because they broke the law right, but uh, I do think, you know, in general, I don't think that it's historically, it's not like we've, we've, uh, this isn't, it's not unheard of to not let people in your country who aren't, who don't come through the legal channels, and that's, that's not just American history, no, and that's current history anywhere else in the world.

Speaker 1

So it's like, and you know, the craziest thing to me was when I was in Norway yeah, I was working with some. Uh, when I was in Norway yeah, I was working with some asylum seekers in Norway. Oh yeah.

Speaker 1

And immigrants to Norway that were sent to Norway by the European Union and stuff, mm-hmm, and they were telling me about the classes in Norway. And Norway says like you have to assimilate in Norway to Norwegian culture and if you fail the assimilation test they will kick you out, which is insane. Like norway has classes for muslim men to re-educate them on, like the standards of treatment of women in norwegian culture. And if they don't agree and sign like the paperwork saying like I understand how, like I'm expected to treat women and all that, they fail and they get deported. Yep, which I'm like, good bro, like if you were moving somewhere for a better life. You need to assimilate to that culture.

Speaker 1

Wherever you're coming from, that culture clearly has issues that nation has has issues You're leaving Wherever you're going. The craziest thing is like here's my biggest thing, right, here's the way I view it, because people are like no, no, but culture is important and all that. I'm like it is, it is, it is important, right. But imagine I walk into Pat's house, I'm a guest in Pat's home, I'm the guest in your home and we're getting ready to do dinner. What's dinner? Look like in the Pat household with little Pat, little Pat 2, little Patricia and Mace Windu.

Speaker 3

On a good dinner night. We've got some asparagus bread and some rare to medium rare steaks, Some baked potatoes, and we sit down and we also. When we sit down, we pray before we do it Nice, and then we pass the food around and we eat.

The Palestinian Refugee Situation

Speaker 1

Yeah, uh, now imagine that's happening. And if Mace Windu or the children reached for that food before I did, and I slapped them as a guest in your house, and then you and you were like whoa, mick, what the fuck? And I just like, oh, in my culture I get to eat first. Yeah, children and women get to eat second, don't you agree, man, we're men, we should get our helpings and eat first. Right, like, like. And then you'd be like okay, well, well, in my household I beat your ass, my kids, you know what I mean. Yeah, like, that's, that's what it'd be like and like I just don't understand how that doesn't apply to immigrants of any kind. Like, if I'm an immigrant from here to Asia, guess what, I'm a guest there. I just really am, even if I disagree with it. I tell you what if Billie Jean and I went to Middle Eastern country and we were moving through other areas of the Middle East that weren't, maybe, as quote unquote progressive, she'd be covered up in that, khalifa dude.

Speaker 3

Dude, is it Khalifa that?

Speaker 1

as in whiz. Yeah, not khalifa uh, what is it? Uh, kafia, yeah, damn, that was that would give me cancer um no, uh, yeah the like, but like she would be covered up for sure, and I'm just like yeah, because you know why we're in someone else's home and these are their expectations even though, honey, you're a beautiful person and, yes, I get how this is oppressive. Do not talk to me unless I speak to you do we have to follow that one?

Speaker 3

okay?

Speaker 1

you know what they're gonna do to me if they see you chewing me out in public. Okay, speaking of that, middle east, israel and iran oh yeah, it's getting uh now as uh.

Speaker 1

We have a resident israeli expert here. You know politics of israel, pat. What is? What is your interpretation of what's going on? Because I, I, I here's what I understand from someone who knows no one in israel or anyone in iran.

Speaker 1

Iran was, uh had access to enrich uranium to the level needed uh for nuclear power, which is, to what I understand, is like like 30x enrichment from the natural isotope of uranium. You enrich it to 30x and that is enough to do your nuclear power. They were enriching it like 60, 80, 70x, which is what you need to start making basic nuclear bombs. And they were caught pretty red-handed with it from a third party that was in Israel that reviewed Because the way they reviewed is they reviewed the radiation half-life. They're reviewing the radiation, which the radiation is a result of the uranium's half-life at uh. Like they, they're reviewing their radiation, which the radiation is a result of the uranium's half-life during enrichment and they observe that radiation in beakers and files and test equipment that was used for enrichment. And when they did that, they're like oh yeah, shit, this is some hot stuff. This is the stuff that, like, you put in a bomb.

Speaker 1

This is not what you use in a nuclear power facility yeah, yeah israel had that information then and used it to do the preemptive strikes, which I'm going to say in quotes preemptive because it wasn't that long ago. Iran was dropping missiles on israel during its interaction, like during the war with hamas, um, and so it really has only been like what? Three months since Iran fired those missiles, israel returned fire and then it kind of stopped for a minute. Now Israel was like, all right, we're doing a preemptive strike to take out the nuclear facilities, the nuclear scientists that have the nuclear program, and Iran's like leading military experts and leaders, uh, and we're doing this because we have to, because if we don't, you know, then well, iran's gonna have a nuclear bomb and we're gonna get nukes in the middle east. Yep and uh.

Speaker 1

A lot of people like that was unfair. Iran was like that was unfair. Iran fired missiles back. Iron dome did its thing. Israel filed missiles back. Iron Dome did its thing. Israel filed missiles back, gave warning to the people of Tehran way ahead of time. Apparently, there's word on the ground that the Iranian military, as well as some of the more extremist Islamist groups In Iran, are shooting people when they try to leave Tehran, like they're in iran are shooting people when they try to leave tehran like they're. They're trying to keep them there to be civilian casualties to justify whatever they're planning, which I've heard is also what happens in gaza at times with hamas they.

Speaker 3

They didn't allow people to yeah to flee.

Speaker 1

So all that said, uh, that's what I know of it. And then last night, iran was like they, they have a twitter account, which I think is the worst idea to have. If you're a radical like military terrorist organization is to have a twitter account. It never paints you in a good light. Yeah, uh, but uh, they're like the world will be surprised by what we're about to do. It will be remembered for a century. I'm like. I now want to see the nuclear bob. Like that's a big talk, like right, they're saying you gotta back that up, dude.

Speaker 1

That is this. You know what you just did? You just put a scratch in the gun, dude. Yeah, you put the tear on and now you need to freaking back it up. Yeah, I guess also, too, the threat's gone valid enough that today, trump released a statement saying that it's a final warning and they have an attack plan in place. So it seems like things are escalating. All that said and done, what do you know, pat? What can you clarify?

Speaker 3

this is.

Speaker 1

This is all, all my rumor has it intelligence.

Speaker 3

No, a lot of that lines up. A lot of people want to get into the who did what first, and that becomes a very big chicken and the egg type of thing and then you got to go back, whatever. But yeah, it's been heating up since, uh, october 7th attacks and uh but, and israel has been doing those, has been doing some strikes on iran, and what was surprising was when, this time that um, iran was sending missiles to Tel Aviv and into Israel. You know the Iron Dome and David's sling system. That is Israel's main defense system for taking out. You know, incoming fire really is like very successful against Hamas rockets, you know, and a rocket and a missile are way different, so different yeah, um, and whereas you made in high school exactly.

Speaker 3

You didn't make a missile in high school, yeah, and so the um gosh, one of the videos I did watch a video of I meant to send it to you. It was a video of the um video of. I meant to send it to you as a video of the was of a missile hitting a refinery. An Iranian missile hit a refinery in Israel and it's crazy because you see like lots of rockets and things are coming in and the iron dome is just like knocking stuff out of the air and you can see it all happening. And then then from out of left field of camera, it's just that was a good sound, I mean.

Speaker 3

It's just like Everything else is easy to see and it's just Like just in a split second it just rips through the atmosphere down into there and it's like oh, that's the difference of like a explosive uh carrier.

Speaker 1

Right, it's something that is carrying explosives going a couple hundred miles an hour and a mach 10. Yeah, something going faster than the speed of sound, going in the neighborhood of over 600, faster than a passenger airplane and going like 700, 800 miles per hour, probably over 1,000 miles per hour and just like cratering faster than you can register it. Yeah, I think I did see that video. That one was pretty nuts. That one was. I was like I had to look up and just make sure it wasn't ai right, because it seemed out of a movie. It seemed like cgi, like that was the closest thing I've seen of it. It looked like a movie.

False Flags and Conspiracy Theories

Speaker 3

You're like, oh my god, and it, um, and so it was pretty, it's, it's uh, so yeah, it's, stuff's getting turned up and um, the Trump's like. He just says stuff, man Like this. The one he was caught on was, uh, they're asking like so are we like going to join in? Is like America going to join Israel in the attack against Iran? Then Trump says I like to make a final decision one second before. You're like crazy. You're like all right, bro, that's not helpful. But also it's like that's kind of how he does his thing. You always wonder with him what sort of stuff is like, uh, verbal politics tactics, and what stuff is just him just like no, that's actually how he rolls.

Speaker 1

I will say it was. I thought it was. Here's the thing, man. Like I think trump is a, he's a person, and I think he's got bad traits and good traits. I'm not gonna defend him, right, like. I don't feel like the president of the united states needs me to defend them. I'm not also gonna be a like fanboy bootlicker and be like just some people worship the guy, right, right, I personally like most of what he's doing. I personally agree with most of what he's doing, um, but I agree, sometimes he says stuff that's crazy out of left field. The thing that I thought, though, was like the most badass shit, when he was like yeah, we know where the uh leader is, we know he's in a bunker and he feels very safe, uh, but we, we could take him out any moment yeah this is just why we're asking for peace and I'm just like damn, like it's one thing to know where the guy's at.

Speaker 1

It's one thing to know where the guy's at and not tell him or he not know you know where he's at yeah bro, it's another thing to like.

Speaker 1

It's like that classic meme from like did you ever play xbox live? Yeah, it's that classic meme. Like you run your mouth and send like a like are you banged? Your mom last night message to someone on xbox live and they just respond with like coordinates, longitude, latitude, and you're like oh, my god, you know. And uh, I thought it was pretty big, I thought it was, I thought it was, I thought it was pretty sick oh yeah, um, and it's uh.

Speaker 3

I was going through his tweets here, yeah, I mean. And the other one, you know where. So he left the g7 summit early and he said um, and when he was leaving it, he basically tweeted you know, hey, tehran, you need to evacuate. And then um with uh. And then, at the same time, he tweeted that china was ordering their citizens in israel, like hey, it's time to leave Israel.

Speaker 1

I wonder how many Chinese are in Israel.

Speaker 3

I don't know, it can't be that many. They're kind of everywhere, bro. I don't know.

Speaker 1

Yeah, I feel like there's more in Russia. Russia and China seem to be good buds For sure. There's a lot here.

Speaker 3

A lot of Chinese guys here. There's a lot of.

Speaker 1

Chinese here. I like the Chinese in America.

Speaker 3

And a lot of them I like. Chinese Americans, yeah, but there's a lot of Chinese citizens like working at our like government facilities and it was kind of wild.

Speaker 1

That is kind of wild it's pretty wild how can you be a citizen of China and have top secret clearance that?

Speaker 3

doesn't seem like that makes sense. Sounds like we missed something up there. But so so also they're ordering um, oh, there's a spot in, oh uh, in Iran, that's their one of their nuclear facilities. Like, uh, israel military is like, uh, hey, you guys need to evacuate here. And so everybody's telling everybody to evacuate everything. And I just don't know if maybe I missed it, but I don't remember a time where, like, people have been saying this back and forth, a lot of like, hey, you need to get out of here, um, and then it's all been bluffs you know, like, like, I haven't like, maybe I've just missed it, maybe I don't

Speaker 3

remember. I don't know if you can remember times of this, but I'm just like like, all right, these are escalations of like and it means like we're about to drop some serious stuff in here, like it's just, it's happening, gotta leave, like. So I don't know if it's just a tit for tat, back and forth, saber rattling or you know kind of jousting back and forth to see you know who will retaliate or who will escalate, but it's going to what typically happens, what we always see, especially when people mess with Israel Israelis die a few of them, way more other people die, israelis die A few of them, way more other people die, and then a lot of other people die, and it's already happening in Tehran. And then, at the same time, you can never trust Al Jazeera's numbers or throwing up on citizens who've already died in Tehran.

Speaker 1

Al Jazeera is funded by Al Qaeda. Isn't that fucking crazy?

Speaker 3

It's pretty wild. It's funny. Over here we're worried about like hey, is that like a left-leaning or like conservative?

Speaker 3

You can see, al Jazeera received a donation from the official org Al Qaeda, and so they have the way that things are painted in certain lights you never know what's really happening. But at the same time, I do think Tehran's got hammered when you know when those, when Israel retaliated from those attacks in Tel Aviv and I honestly I don't know what we're going to see over the next couple weeks. I think the stock market went up the last five days, yeah because everyone's buying Raytheon, bro.

Speaker 1

Everyone's buying Raytheon and Lockheed.

Speaker 3

Exactly. I don't know if that's a sign, a good or bad sign, but my cynical self would be like oh, tech companies and weapons companies are like you know, it's just typically like I'll say this Whenever other like tragedies or things strike or any like, even if, like Elon or Trump tweets something mildly, you know, kind of, that causes upheaval, stock market just crashes the next day, just takes out takes out, you know, versus like everybody else being like evacuate.

Speaker 3

We will not tolerate this. Like the, the, you know iranian, like senate or whatever they have, is they? There was a video of them. They just burned an american flag in their like congress room. I don't know what, what they call their thing, but like while they all chant death to america, they're leaders. Yeah, you know what we're not doing over on the capitol hill, burning iranian. No, find me someone in america that's been burning in. Like while they all chant death to America.

Speaker 1

they're leaders. Yeah, you know what we're not doing over on Capitol Hill Burning an Iranian. Find me someone in America that's been burning an Iranian flag in the last like 10 years.

Speaker 3

And a public official much less Like you know someone. Saying death to Iran, right yeah. Could you imagine, like what, how the reaction would be if we had everybody chanting that, anyways, it's different, bro it that? Anyways, it's different, bro, it's different. And what I think is interesting too is people don't want to accept that it's a religious war. Now, that is, people like get a little like crusader around, that's like, well, maybe it's not a religious war for us, but at least one side of this is like call a spade a spade man.

Speaker 1

Believe people when they tell you who they are. I have met two iranian christians.

Speaker 1

I think they're the only iranian immigrants I've ever met oh, yeah, they were immigrants in norway and they told me never ever trust an islamist, never ever trust someone who truly has said they believe it is justifiable to kill and wage war simply because someone is not a muslim. And I'm like, well, yeah, duh and like, but that's the thing is. Like, here we are today and 50 of the country doesn't believe them when they say it, right, you know what I mean. And like, like it is bonkers to me. I don't think that belief is reason for us to go over there and get involved in the sandbox again. Right, I got Middle East fatigue, bro. I'm worn out dog Yep.

Speaker 1

That would be the next side of this, which would be what is our obligation and or what's America's future in the area I'm also part of me is like this is going to be unpopular too, and I've said it many times. I've not many, I've said it probably like four or five times before. On this, I have no personal obligation to Israel. I do feel like we should provide aid to anyone who's in need of humanitarian aid, like which I do believe we've seen done, like the amount of money we've sent to israel and gaza and stuff to help with the crisis over there in the war.

Speaker 1

Um is like I think that's good work, I think that's good stuff and I imagine like there's going to be us aid going to whatever the fallout is for this in iran, which is just crazy you know, that we would be giving them aid as they chant death to america, but we do, and we've done it in the past a ton, and I think that's a good thing, like I think it's good to turn the other cheek and offer aid. Um, I have no interest, though, in our nation sending young men and women to die in the sandbox again for another country. Uh, now, maybe the wmds are real.

Speaker 1

Maybe they're real this time yeah, let's say that and so then it's like a little bit more of a justification be like yeah, we can't, we can't have insane radical religious warriors having access to nukes to just nuke whoever they want. Um, because honestly, that's the thing. Right is like if you truly believe in that uh religious, uh philosophy of it's justified by god to kill these people by the tens of millions and you will be rewarded for it, then there is no consequence for your action, which, on the flip side with christianity, like there's no verse in scripture uh, old or new, that is a like forever statement from god justifying christians to murder. Like there's none there there is.

Speaker 1

There is a few verses on like self-defense and when it's justified, um. And then there were times recorded historically in old testament where god said like hey, this city, wipe it out, right, um, but there's no forever justification, uh, and the old testament or new testament, for, like christians that being, or jews right for having the right to go and um, just eradicate a people. And that's the sketch thing about islam, bro, is like in in christianity and judaism I'll say judaism in the context of the torah, because the talmud says a lot of weird stuff, but uh, there's nothing that like morally says it's a good thing or that it'd even be rewarded. And that's why I think like the concept of doing something like that is at odds with a lot of people's, like religious morals, christian morals, jewish morals, because you know, if you like, if you did that, it would be at odds with, like what god says those people are, which are his children, created in his image, right versus islam, which says like they're.

Speaker 3

They're heathens and irredeemable, and it's actually like my command to reward you for waging a holy war on them, and that's that's the huge difference there are definitely differences and as far as like, what america's future looks like in that area, I don't know what is gonna happen would you be okay with it?

Speaker 1

like what would you? Would you be okay if it was like all right, sending boots back? No, no yeah it'd be terrifying bro.

Speaker 3

I could break that down a few ways. One like what's the I mean from here? We could hit a few buttons and suppress them pretty good.

Speaker 1

Yeah.

Speaker 3

So there's, like you know, like there's the. Am I opposed to knocking out their nuclear facilities? I don't know, I need to like, look into that more, like myself. It's like you know. Does that mean that the power there? Do they have a nuclear power grid? Does that mean, like, their starvation? I don't know or like. Is this actually?

Speaker 1

a place. What are the consequences?

Speaker 3

yeah, there is this actually, like you know, like a 1980s movie, where the evil nuclear lair like, yeah, take it out. You know so. But I think that the hard thing is also Israel has not ever ceased their need for conquest either.

Speaker 1

Exactly.

Speaker 3

So that's the hard thing too, where it's like you don't see peace in the East. Yeah, and this gets back to we were talking about Zionism versus, you know, judaism or versus Islamists where you just go like, like you know is, is it at a certain point? Do you just have two sides of a coin? Is it the same? Is it the a certain point? Do you just have two sides?

Speaker 1

of a coin.

Speaker 3

Is it the same? Is it the same thing Once you get to the ultimate ends of both things? Right, and I do think there is? I think Israel is typically in a responsive posture outside of like a Palestine-Israel conversation. Two, it's like neighboring countries, israel is usually in a responsive posture, and then you know, so there's, there's that, and so I think that we'll see, and also, you know America's involvement with you know it'd be the same way that when, as we painfully left 2020, afghanistan it's like and you know it's just another. So just, you know, basically, no, I don't think we should be having people, especially en masse over there.

Speaker 1

Yeah.

Speaker 3

Right. So, like I'd say, send some soft guys with some Israelis, whatever, like, whatever.

Speaker 1

Why even send them?

Speaker 3

Just send some really nice you know drones, Just because they want to get after it a little bit.

Speaker 3

But versus, like you know, spinning up the war machine With the dogs Right, just like so, and I think it needs to be more heavily considered it just it always feels like I don't know of the wars we've gotten into, of like how heavily considered it. Just it always feels like I don't know of the wars we've gotten into, of like how heavily considered is I could say in. I see world war ii as and there's actually arguments we made that we shouldn't have been involved with that, sure, but I do see that one as one where it's like fairly clear-cut, like uh, had a, had a clear purpose and ending and a goal that's achievable as well as like Pearl Harbor, were attacked and drug into it further, and so then, and those were two different wars in their own ways, but, like you could see, okay, like, yeah, that was a good idea.

Speaker 3

But ever since then you look back and it's just like all right, like where's the like, the real justification for getting involved in these conflicts that have nothing to do with, um, our? You know us. And at the same time, though, you do like, now that we do live in such a global uh, uh, globalization has come to nearly fruition, you know, we aren't all on the same currency and are the same stuff but at the same time.

Speaker 3

It's like it is so intermingled where it is like okay, if you don't go fight communism back past a border or this country, then how much is it going to come through? I don't know, but the uh I agree with that, you know.

Speaker 3

So it is hard to say, like you know, that it's not worth it to whatever a Korea or whatever, but at the same time, when you're just doing these mass bloodbaths with nothing to show for, it's like if we're going to go to war, we just better get a lot more land and resources, and I don't know, just some old style, Just some old style risk or whatever.

Speaker 1

You know you just go over. You mean like the board game, yeah, you know, you just go.

Speaker 3

You go to the next country over, take it over, take their stuff, grow your empire. I'm not saying I'm for that, I'm just saying like we don't see that anymore Right Like we see it.

Speaker 3

I think we see it. I think, like the next time we'll see it as chinese economic takeover, and that's where it's hard to go now. Is it is fighting these little little proxy wars and these little things. Is that the same thing like? Is that really? Is it actually adding like huge protection, that we didn't realize how important it was for you know, uh, the donbass region to not be under Russia's control, or whatever? You know these, like these little things, yeah and uh.

Speaker 1

No, I mean there's nothing you said that I disagree with either. Um, I was just kind of looking stuff up to try to see like I mean, like devil's advocate kind of points, but like I really I don't have any that I really think are worth it. I think the biggest thing is that when we, you know, talk about the impact that this could potentially have on us, you know it, it does look to me like it seems like there was something Putin said about the US involvement. He like tweeted it, which I also hate, this trend of our leaders tweeting.

Speaker 3

I know, can you guys just pick up that phone you have in the Oval Office again and like talk?

Speaker 1

Quit measuring dicks and just like, yeah, hit the phone, um, but uh, you know, it's one of those things where I see this and I'm just like does this really really feel like the catalyst potential to be world war three? And if I'm being honest, I would say it doesn't quite feel that way. I feel like I feel like israel is pushed a little too aggressively and that the us is. I think the us would sooner get involved in another quote-unquote like ukraine, russia thing. Quote unquote like Ukraine, russia.

Speaker 1

Thing than a like Israel eternal war in the Middle East for peace.

Speaker 1

Right, this is where the borders have been crossed and things like that and I just genuinely think that Netanyahu, too, has really burnt bridges with Trump before. Netanyahu has really said some things that I think made Trump feel like insulted, and I do think Trump has also heard the criticism of Netanyahu as a leader and that there might be a better leader in Israel. Mm-hmm, and I do think that, like in a super war situation that he you know Trump may just be like we're not going to get our people involved in a military way, but we'll get involved in trying to get this over as quick as possible and protect innocents and get them out way, and if there's a change of leadership, then the conversation might begin again. And I just I don't know, I have nothing. I'm betting against the fate of the world, right, like whatever direction it's going to go down, but I still I just don't get the vibe right now that this is World War III. It feels too personal between the two nations and I.

Speaker 1

I truly think we need something like israel crippling iran and then china straight up just firing missiles from china at israel, and then it'd be like, okay, all right, what the fuck is going on? You know, I mean um and we're. I just don't see that happening. Yeah, um, now, don't worry, we don't have to get into this episode, but the whole chinese taiwan situation, I think, is way more likely to be a world war iii catalyst because of how fragile our uh chain of supply of semiconductors and all that is coming out of taiwan and how crucial taiwan is to the free world, and so I see that as being way more of a sensitive kind of world war three item than this conflict.

Speaker 1

But, um, one thing I was doing, though and again this isn't like to justify anything, this is just interesting history, right, I was watching videos on why. There's a guy who made a whole documentary about why no one is accepting refugees from gaza, how no one's accepting palestinians, and it turns out like the reason that other muslim countries aren't doing it is because of the history of palestinians. Like palestinians, as a like people, have the same kind of stigma that you would assign to like gypsies oh, throughout the, throughout the middle east and uh, I didn't know this, but it was it was palestinian refugees in.

Speaker 1

Uh, was it? Was it saudi arabia I believe it was Saudi Arabia or it was in Kuwait that essentially like helped smuggle in the invasion of Iraq into Kuwait, and like they were the ones that just like helped them smuggle, like the roads in, and it was Palestinian refugees that Kuwait had taken in, that then turned on Kuwait to work with Iraq to smuggle stuff in, and that was like just one. That was one example, but like there's a bunch of different examples through history of like how, uh, and it's again like it's not probably all palestinians right for sure it's not, but there's enough things that have happened with this people group after they were accepted into another country, where they then betrayed that country in a like self-seeking manner of like oh, we'll help this next regime change happen and then the palestinians will have a higher uh level of authority and ranking in like the caste system of islam in this government and that's why, like egypt, don't take them.

Speaker 1

Like egypt has straight up referenced that invasion in kuwait as like, why would we want to do that? We don't want them to open the gates to egypt and I was just like I was confused when I first heard that I was like open the gates to egypt. That's got to be metaphorical. They literally just mean like opening the fucking gates to like an invading army to get through Egypt's border wall, which I was like I was gobsmacked by. I was like I did not know the history of this.

Speaker 3

Yeah, it's like they have those things are like those things have happened and basically there is a. They have become a very shadow, like, like almost homeless culture, and especially as they've been occupied by israel now, it's like.

Speaker 3

It's like, uh, really nowhere to go and or and or if they want to maintain their cultural or cultural history or things like that too, like if they all just leave, then they'll just kind of bleed into these other places. And so, yeah, it's definitely a it is a very sticky situation because there are, you know, lots of places that don't the bordering like Arab countries don't accept them or bring them in, that don't the bordering like arab countries don't accept them or bring them in, and so then it's also kind of like I don't know, uh, for the for all the like, all the talk of like death to israel, yeah, and like all. That's like a little bit of hypocrisy, I think. Oh, it's not just a little bit it's.

Speaker 1

You know it's a lot of hypocrisy, right, but it's also I get like it's. The hypocrisy is coming from their justification of like oh, fool me once, shame on, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me Right.

Speaker 1

Um which I don't know what people freaking expect. Like we're talking about, like you know, a lot of like uh societies and um, what's the term uh for? A lot of intersectionality of society and religion and ethnicity and history and all that intersecting, and it's intersecting in a culture that has still very much medieval, almost third world caste systems and like beliefs of you know, there's still belief that, like you are the way you are because of the color of your skin in a lot of those countries you are the way you are because of the you know.

Speaker 1

Your tribe, your tribe yeah, like your. Your genetic history right you're in. There's a lack of understanding that like, oh, you could be different because you're coming from a different cultural, even though you quote unquote, identify as like arabic or whatever. Right um.

Speaker 1

Mm-hmm and I'm like, yeah, that makes sense, dude, we're not talking about a culture that has the concept of like. Oh yeah, anyone can be anyone like they want to be. You choose who you want to be. If you want to be the lying backstabbing gypsy, you can be that. If you want to be not that and just be like a normal person looking for a home and a life to like, establish your little falafel shop, you can be that person too and like that's.

Speaker 3

I think that's a very western worldview or even, yeah, even like to be like because of as americans too, like we really are, like, oh yeah, you could come here and then you can be an american. Yeah, you can't go to egypt and be an egyptian.

Speaker 1

You know what I mean. You'll never be in a.

Speaker 3

You'll never be an american egyptian right, yeah, you'll always be an american in egypt right, yeah, like you don't go become an egyptian. No, because that's not, it's not in you. Yeah, and, and they're not wrong as far as like in the sense of yeah, I mean they're not incorrect in that like. Yeah, this is like we're from here, we like this is like, because the concept of like you're, you know, becoming like to be American, it's kind of new in the sense of just being like, oh like, all right, you're in the club now.

Speaker 3

Yeah, it's like no, like this, like if you're what Pashtun, well, that kind of like. Yeah, because we've been living in these mountains for a damn long time, yeah, you know, yeah, and I get the.

Speaker 1

You can justify it because of the cultural history and reinforcement. But that's what I'm saying is like people are scratching their their heads, saying like why aren't they doing anything? They're Muslim and they're Muslim. And like they're clearly being oppressed by, like you know, the Jewish state and they want the Jewish state to die. Why not welcome these people from the Jewish state? And it's like, well, because they're Palestinian and they'll always be Palestinian and we can never trust a Palestinian in our country. You know, there was like an interview I saw and someone like it was they're interviewing someone in Egypt. I think it was just random people. I don't think it was like any elected officials or anything. But there's this guy who looked like a businessman. He's like the only thing worse than an Israeli Jew in Egypt is a Palestinianlim and it was like fuck, damn, like that's a. That's some heat coming from a like egyptian. You know what I mean? Not that egypt, I don't remember. Has egypt yeah, egypt's gone to war with israel?

Speaker 3

yeah, yeah, um back in the day not recently, but yeah, um, anyways.

Speaker 1

All that said, it's a delicate situation that is, I think, in no way shape or peace our responsibility, and I say that in my limited 30-ish years of life experience. You know what I mean. I don't have anything other to justify that opinion other than my young wife and what I can interpret from what I'm seeing now.

Speaker 3

Yeah, and we'll just see where, which is weird to just kind of sit by and we'll see what people decide and then what happens you know, yeah, oh my goodness.

Speaker 1

I will say though I like I do still fantasize about the uh like invasion of america from a modern warfare 2 campaign perspective right, you know, I mean, and I'm just like that, if that shit happens, then then it's our problem, right. But I'm almost at the point where I'm so war exhausted, so conflict exhausted, that I'm like are they in DC, are they in, you know, freaking gunships over DC? Right Are Russians and Cubans parachuting down behind the high school.

Speaker 3

Red Dawn style. Right no.

Speaker 1

Hey, then let's just work on our own shit. Here, man, we got stuff we got to sort out.

Speaker 3

Yep, we can go corn and pump oil. Yeah, here exactly and make stuff yeah, we need to anyways I just have a few less crappy plastic items from timu.

Speaker 1

Yeah you know we could use less mm-hmm.

Speaker 3

Yep, um, have you seen? I don't know if it's real or not. Hoping it's not. I'm sure it's not.

Speaker 1

But this video that anonymous just put out that is, there is no such thing as a baby made of plastic water bottles, pat. Okay, but that's not a real video. Have you seen the commercial made by a like? Someone made it with ai and it was like it's about how people drink like plastic and water and then this dude and his wife have a baby and it's made out of water bottles. Oh yeah, grows up to be a man in like business and then, like tries to take out the board john wick style oh yeah, I haven't seen that it's pretty impressive that it's all made in ai.

Speaker 1

Yeah, boomers are reacting to it on facebook like oh my god I'm like, like as if it happened this can't be real. Like I don't know if they think it's a movie or like if they think it's a possibility, yeah, but like some of the reactions are insane. You know what I mean and I guess you know what If I was around before there was recorded media, yeah. Maybe I'd think it was real too. Yeah. You know what I mean. Anyways, the stuff about the what, what you say.

Speaker 3

The anonymous. It's anonymous video came out Totally irrelevant.

Speaker 1

I hate anonymous. They are such a cock tease. I remember when I graduated high school they were like we're going to dismantle the system and they didn't, and so I just think they're gay.

Speaker 3

This one was coming out about saying something along the lines of a false flag attack is coming in America. You know, that's what we're all saying. All of us are saying that.

Speaker 1

Clearly, if I was a Mossad agent and I was like damn. We're about to get our asses whooped by Iran and Iran's buddies. I'd be trying to figure out how to get some Iranians who will do the most wildest shit into the US, yep, and that's so.

Speaker 3

Have you seen this video? No, because that's what. That's basically what they're saying it's going to be.

Speaker 1

You know what that also is. That's the plot of the like fourth season of Homeland. Oh yeah, you know what I mean All sorts of things.

Speaker 3

yeah, they're basically saying they are alluding to, like you know be alluding to Israel and stuff here. Anyways, when I say if it's real or not, not meaning if it's going to happen or not, it's just I can never figure out with anonymous, like who's in charge of this thing.

Speaker 1

I did hear there's so much of guys like if you have a garage and a V for Vendetta mask, then can you just now you're in the club, you can just say stuff it used to be one of those things where you used to like have to meet up with someone in like a public place, where then they would like give you something to like vet you, and then you'd record yourself and provide the information or whatever, and then they'd let you know if you were in this is what I this is what I was told when I was like going in chat rooms when I was in high school Like damn, I want to join these guys.

Speaker 1

Right, I didn't want to join them because I was like a freaking communist or anything, I just was like this is sick. This is the cool movie stuff where we take over Times Square, right, and broadcast on all the TVs, right, we hacked the system and we're all millionaires, while also giving money to the poor.

Speaker 3

Yeah right.

Speaker 1

Yeah, and so I was reading the chat rooms and people were just talking about how they had attempted to join Anonymous and given resumes and they met with someone in person where they were asked questions on a park bench and shit, and then they were like informed like you were not allowed in. Like they were informed like you're not in, you didn't pass, mm-hmm. However, pat, look like you're not, like you're not, it, you didn't pass. However, pat, look into my eyes. I know someone who works in the dod who claims to have been a part of anonymous at one point. Wow, and they said a bunch of them got cherry picked by all the agencies, specifically nsa.

Speaker 1

nsa came in, was like your motherfuckers work for us now or you're going to prison forever, especially the best ones yeah and so, uh, they apparently all are there now and whatever is left over is like chumps, like not even dudes who were in at the time, dude, it was like the whole anonymous agency got cannibalized by the fed and whatever exists now is just people putting on and pretending and maybe they're organized right and it's one organization, but it's not what the OGs were. There's no OG leadership with a directive and a goal. That was there before. Now that's the claim of one guy saying he was in and did it and it was fun and he said some things that was pretty credible, like what he worked on and stuff, but I don't know if it's the truth.

Speaker 3

Right.

Speaker 1

Um, I will say, the false flag thing does make me think a lot about nine 11. Did you know there's a certain thing we can't talk about on this podcast at all? Otherwise we would probably get delisted.

Closing Thoughts and Final Words

Speaker 1

It's about the building number that comes after 6 but before 8. We can't talk about that actually. You're not allowed to. It's actually AI moderated that if we talk about building after 6, before 8 on 9-11, we get in huge trouble. That's ridiculous. Uh, there's a really good video on youtube by flesh simulator. He just does a lot of edgy like conspiracy videos about all the conspiracy around building after six, before eight and uh, it's a very, very well presented, thorough, source, cited video. Um, this episode's gone too long. I don't want to play because it'll take.

Speaker 3

It'll take too long to play in that process, but let's watch it, but how does he get to put that up and we can't talk about because he doesn't talk about it.

Speaker 1

Okay he, he doesn't talk about it, okay, he just okay, he talks around it, but there's a lot of people who have tried to talk about it and then their YouTube channel gets canceled and stuff.

Speaker 3

Their family disappears.

Speaker 1

No, not like that, they just like their channel gets deleted or the Instagram gets deleted right. But how about you and I watch it and then we can decide if we want to talk about it later on? I do really want to have another conspiracy episode. It's been like a year and a half since we had a dedicated conspiracies episode. Anyways, we talked about a lot of stuff, a lot of catch-up stuff. Oh yeah, a lot of catch-up stuff. Man, the world's crazy, my world's on fire. How about yours?

Speaker 1

This way. I like it. I never get bored. Thanks for listening, ken. I hope you enjoyed it. I really don't care if you agree with Pat or I on anything, but I really do care about you enjoying the experience. I really do care about you enjoying it, feeling like you get out of this show listening and engaging. I hope if you disagree with us, you let us know we would. We're always open to learning and hearing other perspectives, um, but we don't put the show on in hopes that, like everybody just nods their heads. Uh, we hope that it encourages critical thinking and you ask yourself this own stuff. You know your own opinions and you process it. Don't be an npc. Have your own thoughts, be your own person. Uh, have good arguments for it and present those so that way you socialize and engage in dialogue with uh one another. Uh, peacefully peaceful dialogue, uh. All that said, pat, you got anything for us.

Speaker 3

Just till next time.

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