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When discussing the Jeffrey Epstein case, a palpable frustration emerges over what appears to be systemic protection of powerful figures at the expense of victims. The hosts articulate what many Americans feel—a growing disillusionment with institutions that seem increasingly unwilling to pursue justice when it might implicate the elite. This isn't merely conspiracy theorizing but a reasonable response to official narratives that continuously shift and contradict established facts.
The housing crisis receives careful examination through personal examples that highlight how dramatically the American Dream has changed. Homes that once represented attainable stability for middle-class families have transformed into financial fortresses accessible only to the wealthy. What's particularly striking is how this conversation connects economic realities to broader questions about national identity and values—who are we becoming when basic stability requires extraordinary resources?
Public land management, tariffs, and the possibilities of re-industrialization round out a discussion that defies easy political categorization. There's nuanced consideration of government funding models, environmental concerns, and what a sustainable American future might require. Throughout, the hosts maintain a refreshingly honest perspective that acknowledges complexity without succumbing to cynicism.
For listeners concerned about the direction of American society, this episode offers both sobering analysis and cautious hope. The challenges are substantial, but so is the human capacity for resilience and renewal—much like the survivors in King's fictional pandemic. Join us for a conversation that might change how you view our current moment and the choices that lie ahead.
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Welcome to the Make it Pat Show. I'm Mick.
Speaker 2I'm Pat.
Speaker 1Yeah, pat's turning on our air conditioning in the studio here. It's a hot one, it is. It's toasty. It's probably the hottest it's been all summer today.
Speaker 2Yeah. So if the sound quality, if all of a sudden it's like man that got bad, if we go long, I might be occasionally running that AC in the background.
Speaker 1Well, also, I just don't care if there's background sound like like I just don't care if, like, there's background sound like I don't care. You know, people have heard our dog, my dog in the back and stuff right our dog. We're married pat and I actually got a dog together.
Speaker 2We're married gay couple um can you be a married same-sex couple and not be gay?
Speaker 1yes, are you kidding me? You asked that question in today's day and age, I know there's so many options I could be a transgender heterosexual there's so many ways to that still identifies as male there's so many ways to skin the pickle. We could be whatever we want, honestly and I'm not even saying that to like be instigating or insulting I'm just saying, like the paperwork is there, right, um, anywho, uh, it's been.
Speaker 1I think it's been not that hot of a summer. I think it's been a wet summer. I think it's been more humid and wet out here in the in the wild. Uh, like what would we say? I guess we're technically still the west, east of the west, yeah, but yeah, here in colorado it's been rain every afternoon, I feel like, but not nearly as hot as last. I felt like last summer was way more days over 100.
Speaker 2Yeah, like cooking hot are we in the dog days. Yet, though, is it gonna. Oh, you know, it's interesting, you say dog days. This is a tangent I wasn't expecting to talk about this.
Speaker 1I'm listening to a really good book right now called the stand by.
Speaker 1Stephen King and it's just like Stephen King's magnum opus. It's like 49 hours long and in it there's this like 16, 17 year old kid who just knows a crap load about everything. But anyways, the dog days was way more known back in the day of what it meant, but do you know what it means? I don was way more known back in the day of what it meant, but do you know what it means? I don't. You've never. How many when have you heard it used for?
Speaker 2what time frame. I've heard it in song old songs.
Speaker 1There's an old song like from like florence, the machine's not old, okay, no, it's, that's not, that's like a 10 year old song, that's.
Speaker 2It's like I've heard it in an older song too, okay, and then I just heard it, like I don't know, used colloquially. What would you guess?
Speaker 1that it means, and it's really like I'm not trying to trap you, but I think everyone has a perspective of what it means, based off of, like you know, florence and the. Machine's lyrics of the dog days are over and it's about like some Girl running out, running away from her problems or whatever. Leaving the bad guy.
Speaker 2Yeah, I have no idea why. I just always pictured a dog just sweating. Just hot Dogs don't sweat, you know. Wishing it could, wishing it could sweat, yeah, you know.
Speaker 1No, so you just so. If you were to put a definition to what dog days are, you would say it's the days when it's so hot.
Speaker 2A dog just sweating that's that would be, because otherwise I've never thought about it. I just I know what it is.
Speaker 1Yeah, I know when it's, I think, a lot of people don't know what it is. A lot of people think it also means like the bad days. The bad times, like when you're down on your luck or you're in a rut, but the dog days.
Speaker 1But the dog days were referred to like the ending of July into end of September, where it was most common every year around that time for rabid dogs to be an issue and it was like clockwork every year, the dogs that were stray off of farms or towns or whatever. Uh, that's when you would see the more like increased rabid dogs come, kind of coming around and stuff as like it started like cooling from the peak heat, but the p, the heat, would also drive them deranged. So it's like you know you reach that peak heat of summer and then you're going into fall and it's that that like climax and then descent that has the rabid dogs show up. And that's what dog days means.
Speaker 1The dog days was that that time period of rabid dogs, which we kind of just don't have that anymore, because we just have a rabies vaccine that we can just give out to most dogs and there's not nearly as many like rural countryside packs of dogs roaming around so, anyways, I learned that from the stand which, by the way, pat do I need to read it, you need to read it.
Speaker 2I need a break from my french literature it's uh, it's stephen king.
Speaker 1And stephen king I thought, from like the few things I've read of his like short stories and a couple books I've always thought he's pretty decent, he's pretty good. But dude, this is a great book Like this is very well written and it's it's gosh. I would say. It was 10 hours into the book before the antagonist got introduced and everything leading up to that was like just amazing character and scenario development. But let me let me pitch it to you. Do you know the stand? Have you heard of it?
Speaker 1I haven't I haven't a lot of people are familiar with it because it was a mini series in the 90s on tv. And then they did another like reboot of it that flopped really hard. It was made for cable television sorry, not cable. It was made for like abc, like a modern audience on abc or whatever or cbs, and uh, they just toned it down so much that like it was boring as heck. Yeah, well, you realize, an apocalypse story about the devil incarnate versus a uh, not mess science, not a messiah, but the almost like the john the baptist. It's like john the baptist versus like satan, almost, and it's like grand abstraction and you realize, without violence and gore and you know all that stuff that would not make it on like normal day television, just very boring, yeah, because it's just a lot of dialogue. But anyways, the book is really good. It takes place.
Speaker 1The one I'm reading is the uncut version of the book which he republished in the 90s because he originally published it in the 70s but they just didn't have actual book binding that could bind a book as big as that and sell it for profit like mass produced. So you got to cut out 400 pages so that way we can afford to sell it at $14.99, and it only costs like $3 to make. And so King cut it out and then he added those 400 pages mostly back in for the uncut version, when he had big money and he could force a publisher to just publish it because he's stephen king and it's gonna sell yeah so, anyways, it takes place in the 90s, this version.
Speaker 1If you read the earlier version or listen to it, it takes place in the 70s, but a virus escapes. It's a flu virus that kills 99.7 percent of the human population. Wow, and it does it. That almost happened to us. Not really, though.
Speaker 1No, you mean 99.7 percent of the population was fine, that's what you mean, oh yeah, um, no, but um, this, uh, the virus goes and spreads and all that and that's probably one of the most like, inherently fascinating parts of the book Well-written parts is like there's a point where you just are going from person that gets introduced name, background, who they are and you're like, oh, this might be another main character. And then you realize you're listening to a chapter where it's just the virus spreading from them to the next person introduced, to the next person introduced, spreading from them to the next person introduced to the next person introduced, and he realized all his people are dead and all the kids in the car with them on their family road trip are dead and all the people they encountered at the business conference are going to die. And, um, anyways, this flu virus incubates and kills pretty quick, leaving 0.3 percent of the world left alive. And, uh, the survivors after that start having these dreams and they're dreaming about Mother Abigail.
The Dog Days: Historical Origins Explained
Speaker 1Mother Abigail on the farm and she's the oldest woman living in America. And she's this sweet old black woman who can pick a guitar. She's certified from her birth certificate 125 years old, and Reagan sent her a letter certifying she was the oldest living American at one point. And for some reason God has given her the ability to see some of these people in her dreams. And then God gives everybody dreams of her and she says you come, find me now out here in nebraska at hemmingford home. And so everyone's receiving this dream. But then everyone's also receiving the dream from the dark man. The dark man in their dream is a man with no face. He smiles wide. Sometimes he comes as like a manifestation of, like a shadow in cornfield, or like a giant red uh, they say eye like weasel eyes, like just a jet black, reflective red eye and the light.
Speaker 1And he also is calling to people to come to him um, and he's calling for them to come to him in nevada, into into las vegas and eventually it gets to like a boulder colorado, where they're.
Speaker 1They got like the free zone in boulder colorado with mother abigail and the, the main characters of the book, and then there's uh, the antagonist, in las vegas building his forces and it's like you realize it goes from like post-apocalypse flu epidemic how are we going to survive and rebuild? To like, oh my gosh, like I guess it is a lot easier for Christ to come the second time and everyone, everyone on earth to see him. If you know, there's not that many people left on earth. And I'm not saying like I don't know how it ends right, I don't know if Christ, I don't think there is a messianic birth. I think it's alluded to that there could be someone who's carrying the messiah um, but it's very clear like randall flag is painted to be the, the incarnation of lucifer, or at least the version of an antichrist on earth. Um, and there's a lot of spiritual warfare. That's very like well written in it.
Speaker 1Like stephen king doesn't just poop on christianity, like all the characters are very well written and mother abigail is not like a cringy, like southern god-fearing woman like it's very authentic and there's a lot of characters who are just like even you know, just as it would say in this in the bible like they see visions, they see things manifest in front of them and miracles, and they're like I don't believe.
Speaker 1And mother Abigail always says to them I was like, well, you don't believe in God, but God believes in you, cause like he's shown me you and he's told me you got purpose here and it's like really good stuff like that where you know characters go on journeys, but it's really fascinating. I really enjoy it. It it's really fascinating, I really enjoy it. I'm over halfway through and, uh, the best part of the book is just like the, the character building, slice of life, conversations and dialogue and like how people are coping with like, okay, the beginning of the summer, in june the world ended, it's now entering into september and, uh, we're all coming to terms with there is legit going to be a showdown between good versus evil.
Speaker 1It follows a bunch of people as they cross the country. It's pretty good. It's pretty good.
Speaker 2Any thoughts on that, do you?
Speaker 1feel like that sounds dumb.
Speaker 2No, I'm going to read it, I'm going to listen to it.
Speaker 1It's a great use of your credit on Audible.
Speaker 2It looks like they tried to do it in 2020, a miniseries on it, yeah it sucked.
Speaker 1I bet it was bad. It was also something that they were like let's roll out in 2020 during the flu epidemic, the covid epidemic, and it turns out like, even with like people tuning in to watch it because they're like, oh gosh, covid, like and this is, like you know, sensational material during covid, everyone was so disappointed. Everyone's like dude. This sucks. It's so boring and the original miniseries holds up really well.
Speaker 2But they're making a movie. It was announced. Really, I didn't know. It was announced Like two days ago oh wow, that's timely. Yeah, or maybe two weeks ago, whatever, it just happened. So we'll see what they do. A lot of people are like you have to make it into three movies if you want it to be good.
Speaker 1I feel like it's way too big for one movie. It's not Lord of the Rings big across those three books, but it is way bigger than I think a three-hour movie could do justice.
Speaker 2I think that'll be good. I'm going to listen to it. I'm going to listen to it, see how it goes, and I'm going to watch the movie be disappointed, as we do when we watch movies of books we like. But maybe I won't be disappointed because I know what I'm getting into and I could use a break from my—I'm just about to wrap up Les Mis. I've been on the grind of the French literature and I need to— you have been for like months. I need a break, it's all—I don't even know any characters names anymore. It's just yeah, it's all. Just Coruscant, Monsu, Coruscant.
Speaker 1Oui, monsu Coruscant. My wife has been Listening to a bunch of the. What is it Billy Jeans Gonna be mad that I can't remember? It's the detective that, the french detective, who solves, like you know, the death on the nile and the murder on the orient express. Yeah, the pink panther. No, not the pink panther okay, never mind um.
Speaker 2Who is that um?
Speaker 1it's a french guy, it's so french. His name is obtusely French and hard to pronounce.
Speaker 2Oh, I don't know. I guess if you say it I might know it, but I have no idea.
Speaker 1Agatha Christie's the author, which her name doesn't sound that French.
Speaker 2The hermit.
Stephen King's "The Stand" Deep Dive
Speaker 1Hercule Poirot. Huh yeah, detective Hercule Poirotot didn't know about that one, but but uh, this is a cool thing. My wife got like not agatha chrissy's entire entire uh encyclopedia of work for one credit, but a bunch of it oh wow. So she's just got like eight or nine of her crime books to listen to. I did the same thing for Dostoevsky, fyodor Dostoevsky, and I just got all of his books in one Audible credit and it opens with the banger, opens up with the Brothers Kasmanov Wow, which do you know what that one is?
Speaker 2Have you heard of it? I don't know about it.
Speaker 1It seems like the Russian version almost of East of Eden, Like brothers all coming together in the death of their father and the anger of inheritance and the suspicion of murder. It's very family drama based. It seems like it's tragic though, because the book opens up with like a preface from the narrator and the hero main character of the book, uh, was named after uh dostoevsky's son, who had died of like the flu or something at like 13. And so it was kind of like a book commemorating his son's uh very optimistic and heroic young man behavior. But anyways, I'm, if you guys want like good use of your credits, go out and like grab those big things where they're like 230 hours long for a single 15 credit. You'll be good and cooking for a while yep, those are the nice ones.
Speaker 2You get all those go. It gives you a. It's kind of I like to read through like the same author's stuff a few times. There's a little bit about what's going on. Yeah, but I did read crime and punishment in high school.
Speaker 1I do not remember it I heard that was a good one too, because it's like isn't it like something someone framed for murder or something in it and it's like he's on trial and it's the subject of like a isn't? Isn't that book all about? Like it's better for one man to be sentenced and executed, better for one innocent man to be sentenced and executed than a thousand guilty men to be let off. I can't remember. I remember it was like the inverse perspective of like the american judicial system and, honestly, like I really I don't remember.
Speaker 2Yeah, I mean, I read it, but maybe I didn't, maybe I was assigned it, I remember.
Speaker 1I was reading Milkweed when a friend was reading Crime and Punishment and I saw Milkweed and how thick it was, which was like I don't know, it's like a 230-page book, I think. And then I saw Crime and Punishment. I'm like why would you ever pick that as your book? I'm out, you dummy yeah dummy.
Speaker 2Yeah the um, so yeah, but I'm, I think, yeah, after this I'm gonna do uh the uh, russian, the russian books. Next, maybe some nichi doskiesi. Let's see, I got started with a v.
Speaker 1Oh dostovesky, you're talking about that? No, there there's another guy. Vladimir.
Speaker 2Victor, I think Tolstoy is Tolstoy Russian. No, he's not Eastern European. Yeah, but you know, I'm just trying to educate myself. I think some of the books like Crime and Punishment and stuff that in high school I was totally uninterested in, yeah, and rightly so. Rightly so.
Speaker 1Because I don't think I could comprehend those, and I'll say, like there's a few things I've read now that I comprehend and appreciate way more than I did in high school, when I was like forced to like read them at home and I'm like dude, please like. The last thing I want to say here is read this book that someone's telling me I have to read. I have no interest in like when. When you come to a book and you have an already inherent interest in it, it's far more engaging and investing than like it being an assignment.
Speaker 2Yeah, definitely so I do. I need a break break from the French stuff. So I guess I'll just listen to a long, epic tale of darkness of humanity through the eyes of Stephen King. But also sounds like there's a lot of you know, light in there. Gotta get your fight on. So we'll see at the. Uh, I was trying to find when the movie's coming out. I don't think they know yet.
Speaker 1Yeah, I don't think so either. I was looking it up. They will, we'll see. But I will say for anyone who was listening and cares, the stand does has have depictions of like some pretty I mean there's graphic depictions of people dying from illness, people being murdered. Uh, there is like some sexual language or description that comes out of like left field. Sometimes you're like, oh, I guess I mean this just could be this person's thoughts, kind of weird. I don't think I needed to know that was their thoughts or how they're viewing someone else. And then there is a couple like sex scenes that are like easily skippable if you just want to fast forward it and are interested.
Speaker 1I just always fast through because I feel weird listening to that stuff when I'm like walking my dog, yeah just like I always, for some reason and I don't think this is a bad thing for some reason, whenever I, whatever I um like hear a sex scene being narrated in a book, I just think of that scene from the office where, like, they catch meredith listening to. Um, not meredith, uh, what's her name? I can't remember.
Speaker 2Uh, angela, no, not angela, the bigger, heavier woman oh, oh, my gosh, I'm forgetting, uh, what's her name?
Speaker 1what's her? Name uh, she's married to bob vance yeah, I got bob vance refrigeration. Yeah um it's an old lady name, anyways. Uh, she's listening to it and they catch her because she's making weird sounds of faces and starting to sweat and they're like what are you doing, ed?
Speaker 1uh, they phyllis phyllis, yeah, and then andy confiscates it from her and he's listening to it later in his office. He's going like because he's the boss at this point and his eyes are closed, and he's like, oh, and then dwight dumps water out of him like get it out, get it over, and stuff. So funny. And now I just always think of that scene and I just I'm like I don't want to be andy getting caught listening to this weird stuff by anybody. Yeah, so I just skipped through it.
Speaker 1Um, there's also, I'm pretty sure, a single rape scene that I've fast forwarded past. It was just to the point where I was like I'm pretty sure this person is about to get raped and I just skipped through it and it was done in like two skips or whatever. So, anyways, all I said, it's not like super visceral, graphic or like excessive, but it is like, hey, this happens in a world where there's no longer law and order, like there's sometimes bad people who are also immune to the virus and survive, and you're gonna have to deal with those bad people yep, man.
Speaker 1Well, speaking of of that stuff, I mean, there's a lot of people mad right now no, yeah, speaking of, uh, speaking of people mad about a sexual predator getting off scot-free, kind of diddy. Well did he did get up, oh did he but yeah, did he? Yeah, that is frustrating, that did he? Got off scot-free, basically charged on one thing. That one, to me, though, is a little bit more clear of why he got cut off because they tried to get him with the racketeering thing that they go after all the mobsters with.
Speaker 2Yeah, the.
Speaker 1Not FOIA, it's another acronym RICO.
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Speaker 2RICO. Racketeering something something and it's like. It's kind of like when some political party brings a bill and they just want to stack it all in there, yeah, hey, this can shut down if you put it on there, but some of the stuff he did, he is getting sentenced in October.
Speaker 1Yeah, but it's weak man. He only got found convicted on like some weak charges of like. What was it?
Speaker 2It was like transporting a prostitute. Whatever he could get up to like probably 25 years, though I thought.
Speaker 1Oh really, maximum sentencing. I thought it went down to like time served basically.
Speaker 2Well, I think that's max, that's the thing too. Served basically. Well, I think that's max, that's the thing too like. Yeah, you know you can get. You can get 10 years in prison for like and carrying around an unauthorized weapon, or ten thousand dollars up to yeah, yeah, you're probably not going like so you're probably not gonna or whatever.
Speaker 2But um, so, but no, not him. The uh, the big guy, the big dead guy, old Epstein is living on through. You know the continued lack of information coming out that's been promised to the people. Stuff that people was part of what they ran on politically to be able to, you know, get elected was part of what they ran on politically to be able to, you know, get elected. And so this last week, the stuff that Trump said and that other people in his cabinet and you know, some of the FBI director, other people saying that this list doesn't exist, maybe never did.
Speaker 1Which is crazy. I mean, it's a total gaslighting man. You can't say it doesn't exist after at least dozens of people, maybe hundreds I've seen it and said, like I've seen the list trump's on it, I've seen the list, biden's on it, I've seen the list. Here are the people who were listed on it and referenced in it, and it's just like, okay, like, and now it's like there is no list. Oh, by the way, there's not just no list. Uh, there's no one else in the video footage we've looked at. It's just, it's just epstein and these kiddos, no one else, just them. I'm just like, dude, this is a travesty. I'm actually this is. This could make me not vote for anyone else in this.
Speaker 1Admin ever again like it legitimately could like if it's not right and not corrected here soon, I could really see myself not voting for vance ever again. I could see myself not voting for certainly any of these dudes who are in director roles or deputy director roles for the fbi, if they ever decided to go political. Um, it's just pretty nasty and it feels it especially when trump dismissed it as like you're still talking about that guy. I was just like are you kidding me, dude? We're talking about the guy who ruined the lives and probably he's easily ruined the lives of thousands of children by trafficking them. He's likely murdered or is responsible for the murder of probably thousands of people. You know, either through like blackmail or through like just covering up getting rid of people who would have been a problem.
Speaker 2And then his right hand, Maxwell, going to prison for she's what?
Speaker 125 years or 20 years for trafficking children?
Speaker 2To nobody.
Speaker 1Yeah, to nobody. She trafficked the kids, but it was from Epstein back to Epstein. It was never to anyone else. And I'm just like that makes no sense at all and we all know it makes no sense. And they're like just looking at us like we should just forget about it, like we're idiots, and while I might be an idiot, not that dumb, you know yes, as, as Stu Redman says in the stand, country don't mean dumb.
Speaker 2Exactly, exactly, and so I think that I mean you know lots of conjecture on why what's going on. I think a big part of it is that, yeah, so many people and it's what everybody said so many people on both sides of the aisle are involved to the point where they're just not going to out themselves and out their people. The other piece being, I do believe it has a lot to do with our intelligence arm and other countries' intelligence arms. Other countries, multiple other countries.
Speaker 1Other countries.
Speaker 2And there's actually a really good podcast by Daryl Cooper, the Martyr Made podcast. He does an Epstein series and he kind of he breaks down all these it's hours and hours long where he really gets into lots of details, kind of like Epstein stuff, but alongside that like other trafficking rings and things like that over time and like big players over history who've been involved in it, and really gets into epstein's history also as well as lane maxwell's um history and her dad's history, um where he came from and um there's, you know, just the fact that epstein wasn't an anybody, he was a nobody.
Speaker 1There's no evidence for where any of his money came from. He's literally nobody. His stock exchange stuff is like one day he had money to really put in to some hedge funds, but he didn't make that initial money from those funds.
Speaker 2His money came out of thin air like and his money came out of thin air and the school he got his first job at, where he he wasn't even licensed like teacher ever got. He got a job there and the headmaster was oh, I forget his last name is comer.
Speaker 1Which which guy um andrew comer or the other one, the, the dude who is running to be mayor of new york city, or the or was running no maybe I have the last name wrong, but it's an old guy, he's old, he's dead and gone.
Speaker 2But he was the headmaster of the school and he had written a novel like a space sci-fi novel, basically, that had a lot of underage sex Underage is the wrong word. It had pedophilia. It had stuff in there and it had a lot of pet, it had pedophilia, had stuff in there and it had, um you know, a lot of gross stuff and he was the one who first master was donald bar bar.
Speaker 1Yep, so look up, his son wasn't, isn't donald bar also giz?
Speaker 2lane's dad. No, his name. He changed his name. He was originally from europe and he um during the zionist movement came over relations.
Speaker 1Yeah, space primitive man?
Speaker 2yeah, was the book written by a guy who's in charge of a school, philip pedophilia? Uh, maxwell's dad. He came from, uh, eastern europe, or did he come from britain? He's, uh, jewish. He came over through zion with the zionist movement and changed his name and was most likely linked to Mossad and some other things. And then, but for the, his headmaster guy, for bar, he really is kind of where you see, wall Epstein was under him for a while and then he leaves and then all of a sudden Epstein's careers kind of explodes. And then who's bar son? Bar son was a big dog in politics. He was like the director of.
Speaker 1William Barr.
Speaker 2William Barr. Yeah, and he was the one who Stephen Barr as well. Oh, what was his job?
Speaker 1He served as 77th US Attorney General for George Bush and 85th US Attorney General for Donald Trump. Yeah, he was Attorney General and he'd get up there and lie about stuff.
Speaker 2So, anyways, these guys, now high society elites, are all tied together anyways. Whether they're good or bad people, whatever it is, they know each other, their kids go to school together, whatever. But the Martyr Made podcast really draws some. It just takes a really good history lesson and pulls you through kind of everything that happened, but the yeah, I think a lot of people are let down, a lot of people are upset.
Speaker 2It's like it was something that was kind of promised and ran on, that we would have, you know some, something that would be released. Much less like the whole thing would be released. And so I think it has to do with the fact that it's it's non-party related, it's elite related and it is. I think it does have to do with our intelligence agencies. I mean, like, and that's how, that's how intelligence agencies run. Like you know, you deal with people in big power, you deal with gross stuff, you deal with blackmail, lie all the time, lying and deceit and these things, and so to put pressure on people and to put pressure on, you know, people who run big companies or have big influence, and so that's just what it is. You know people who run big companies or have big influence, and so that's just what it is, you know yeah, no, I agree, and it's.
Speaker 1It's super sad and disheartening because I don't think it leaves any room for faith in the government to look after you like. This pretty much just says like oh, if the government's not going to seek justice for children who were trafficked and raped by you know like an insane magnitude. I mean, we're talking thousands of people who cross paths with epstein and like worked on his island and you know, his.
Speaker 1He knew everybody. It seems like, um, and if they're not going to seek justice for those people who were victims of that, you know the most heinous thing on earth, uh, I don't think anyone has faith in them, doing anything right by them and getting justice for anything else. You know what I mean, um, because, like you, you you're supposed to think like and have the faith in the judicial part of your government. Um, you're supposed to have the faith in them that it doesn't matter how expensive and inconvenient and how little there is to be gained in doing the right thing. The judicial arm of the government is supposed to judge and prosecute and pursue those who have broken the law and to see that it doesn't do it. If there's nothing to be gained which the truth is, is like, what is there to be gained other other than like? If we talk about this objectively, like what is there to be gained other than people's approval? Well, you lose, like there is nothing, like. You get the approval and trust of the people, but you lose all of those people and assets that now you have dirt on and have information of blackmail on that now you can use epstein's black book of you know blackmail against them, right like it's.
Speaker 1Like epstein kept all these people doing whatever he wanted and giving him money and you know, he catered and probably blackmailed all these people for decades. And now, all of a sudden, it's in our hands. We can use it too, because why would we prosecute I don't know schmil, schmil gates, why would we prosecute him when we could just put our thumb on him and own him? You know what I mean? Um, that's, that's the way I see it and I get like if anyone feels like this is conspiracy stuff, great, who cares? Like I don't, like you can take it to the bank At this point.
Speaker 1It just seems like it doesn't seem conspiratorial at all to me. It just seems like them's the stakes there bud, them's how the dice roll out, and it does feel like I was let on pretty hard, and I think that's what a lot of people feel like. A lot of people feel like, damn, we really thought we get this fresh blood in there, dudes who aren't career politicians, that they would do the right thing and under like know what to do, and then now cash patel gets in there, rolls over immediately like a dog for a treat or I don't know, maybe not a dog for a treat. Maybe he is sitting doe-eyed, terrified, like a deer in the headlights, praying that they don't hit him and praying that he's going to be spared. He really honestly like and I know we're talking offline about this, but like dan bogeen, how do?
Speaker 2you say it on gino.
Speaker 1Bongino, dan Bongino and Cash Patel. Both were such big talkers, enthusiastic, passionate about, you know, getting into the Epstein files and all the information they've heard on it and their sources, before they got into the FBI and now as director and deputy director. They don't look like they've exhaled in weeks, like they look to me like they're still holding their breath. Their eyes are bloodshot. Dude dan looks like he is on the verge of crying or exploding and screaming and yelling um and for him to do stew like uh. I was never a big follower of him but like I've seen the you know episodes of his podcast where he was talking about like or clips of it where he's talking about how, like Epstein did not kill himself.
Speaker 1There's no way. And like here's the reason why. Yada, yada, yada, and we have it, like from Epstein's friend who told, like Epstein said hey, man, just know, I'm not suicidal, I don't plan to kill myself. Like I'll win this in court, and I think it was Epstein's brother who said that actually. And then all of a sudden he's in there and he's holding his breath, holding a turd in trying not to poop his pants, and he's at the camera. He's like he committed suicide. He committed suicide. No one killed him, he killed himself. And it's just like he's not. I'm like waiting, I'm watching. I'm like when's he going to exhale? He'll be like oh okay, I said it. Now will you let my family go, now will you stop blackmailing me? I don't know. Actually, I say I don't know. I do know. I know that these dudes got freaking, picked over, because that's the total 180 of their body language and everything right.
Speaker 2Yeah, yeah, yeah, because they're not.
Speaker 1That would show that they're not just like fake actors not saying they're not lying, but just like if it was.
Speaker 2If it was, you think they're trying to blink at us, no meaning, like some guy, help me yeah you know I can't tell you exactly where it's like, but there's some guys charismatic and pull the wool over your eyes, whatever when everything he does versus somebody who, like, is charismatic and speaking this certain way and then is not that way when they're not anymore like in this other, not after.
Speaker 1They got shown just the amount of lizards that live among us. They honestly do look like it was crazy. I just thought it was funny outside of this whole scenario or situation. But I did see like a before and after of like kash patel before he got sworn in to be director of the fbi and like it was like a month later. And bro, that guy looks like he aged 20 years, maybe not 20. He looks like he aged probably five years and put on 10, 15 pounds of just stress. You know what I mean. I'm sure it's a lot of smoking and eating and sitting, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1Not having a lot of time to go and exercise and get some fresh air.
Speaker 2Yeah, yeah, yeah, because you see that with all guys, everybody goes into politics, they all get old fast.
Disappointments in Current Administration
Speaker 1Yeah, I remember Obama was the biggest one, starkest change you could see. See him just age and like before he was president and then after his first term and he's like he literally looked like 15, 20 years older. Um, anyways, all that's pretty frustrating. Also, you know the whole shit with the big beautiful bill and the only thing that I actually cared about that was in that bill. Um, I mean, the tax breaks are nice. Still, like, maintaining those tax breaks from his first admin are nice because otherwise we were about to like, as soon as those expired, we're about to get taxed out of the wazoo, especially for small business, and a lot of people just don't care because a lot of people don't understand tax law and policy and how, like you know, you can have, uh, tax exemptions and policies and tax rates expire after a certain amount of time. Like they're not laws.
Speaker 2Um.
Speaker 1And so it was nice that that was in the bill. But the thing I cared about the most, of course, was the stuff that would gut the NFA, which is known the National Firearms Act, and it would essentially allow us to buy suppressors and have shorter ARs or shotguns than what is currently the legal limit before you have to file paperwork and get it added into a registry and pay a stamp for it. Um and anyways, all that said, like I was looking forward to that, because, guess what? Every other freaking first world country that you know you can own a firearm in mandates.
Speaker 2You use a suppressor when you hunt yeah, all the ones that make it like incredible. It's incredibly difficult to get us get a rifle. To get a little blinker rifle you have to have a suppressor yeah, but you could get a suppressor in the hardware store.
Speaker 1Yep, um, and so, anyways. All that said, I was looking forward to that because the nfa is a very outdated bill.
Speaker 1Um, or outdated like piece of legislature is from 1934 yeah, and it came around because they wanted to make it a crime to possess, uh, essentially, machine guns from, like you know, thompson machine guns and like the bar when it was coming out and all that. They wanted it like to just be an extra crime they could charge uh the mobsters with, because they knew none of the mobsters were going to file that paperwork. And also, 200 back then was the equivalent of like four thousand five hundred dollars today. Yeah, um, but anyways, that language is in there.
Speaker 1Uh, it got gutted out in review in the house and then, uh, rather than overruling the parliamentarian secretary I believe is her name, well, is her title, which is an appointed position, she's not even elected rather than overruling her and she was appointed during a democratic they just let it slide and be like alright, yep, she says like we can't have any of this like language in here. That will you know. Like make it legal to like purchase and not have to register suppressors, and make it okay to like have sbrs, which sbrs still would be a firearm that needs a background check. You still go get a background check. Yep, you just wouldn't have to pay this tax stamp to the queen, you know, kiss the queen's finger to get your gun and let it be a little bit shorter.
Speaker 1Um, you wouldn't have to do that anymore because of you know, this bill. That would have passed in the legislation, that would have passed through it. And now, instead of overruling her, like, uh, senator john thune could have done, since he was sitting on the panel for the house in review, or like vice president vance could have done, since he's overseeing the senate and the vote on the bill they just were like, yeah, I guess she says it's not there and we're we're not going to put it back in. So it was super, super frustrating. Uh made me very upset, uh, because it felt like they just didn't put any effort into fighting it. The good news, however, though, is the big passed, and it passed with language that takes that $200 tax stamp, gets rid of it, goes to zero, and it also passed with our tax exemption rates and all that stuff. And the most dangerous part of the bill I thought was the part that was put in to sell uh bureau of land management and forestry land that got pulled out.
Speaker 2That got pulled out. That was the, that was the big one, that everybody was yeah, that was bipartisan.
Speaker 1Everyone was like you don't get, don't, don't sell to the highest bidder yeah and it wasn't even gonna sell that much land. I think we talked about this on the last episode, maybe a little bit, but it was. It was gonna sell somewhere in the neighborhood of like one to two percent of the forest services land.
Speaker 1No sorry, it wasn't even that much, it was like 0.2 percent there's still like millions of acres yeah, millions of acres, but when we're talking about 0.2, it's not like someone's gonna be able to privately buy estes. It was like there was land available along highways, there was land available that's already been checkerboarded from other hunting like some other, like plots and stuff, that that land's also not even like getting used by anyone publicly and so stuff like that. That was like, yeah, sure, sell it, fund the forestry service. I wasn't super anti that. I was anti some of the other areas I saw that were for sale, that are like reservations or you know national like grassland stuff and that stuff. I'm like, ok, that's not checkerboarded. Yet If you put that up for sale as well and someone just buys their cut, then we start getting it checkerboarded and that's dangerous.
Speaker 2Yep, yep, and that's the hard thing about. Even like the kind of more non-desirable spots they would be selling, it wouldn't be a place like yellowstone yeah it's still the hard thing about. It's just like you never get it back, so you just have to keep like a hard line drawn you do never get it back um and so and with the, the checkerboarding stuff is interesting they'll have, have you heard of. You know what corner crossing is?
Speaker 1I, as far as I understand it, you're crossing along the edge or corners of a farmer's land to get into the, you know, public land for hunting and a lot of farmers don't like that because you are going through their fence or you know around at the edge of their property and they don't want you to do that.
Speaker 2It would be literal. When you find these plots of land, it's actually crazy. It actually is like perfect checkerboard.
Speaker 1Yeah and so Like, because it's fence post to fence post.
Speaker 2Yep, and it was when it had. Most of it came from railroad, basically to fund the railroad. They checkerboarded it up and just sold off plots. And then what happens with that is?
Speaker 1Well, you think about any board game. It makes sense, like in Go, where you've got to flip your enemies. You flip your opponent's tokens. It's like I don't need to go in a straight line, I can just corner you on all sides and then I don't even need to buy the one in the center. I essentially own the one in the center because I've cut off all access to it yep, yep.
Speaker 2And so farmers don't like it, but also guys who own that stuff, who like to hunt on it don't like when guys are getting on the public land and what it is is basically right at that corner where those four corners meet. You can technically go.
Speaker 2It's legal, it's, this is like there's it's law, it's in, it defends it, it's been it. Well, it's actually it's actually a fairly recent, over the past two years, uh like where it's gone to court, uh where, basically, if you go to that corner and then step over the fence caddy corner so you your leg swings over the fence, over two fences, and then drops back down on the back on public land and then you get on there, it's basically you came into their airspace and you're so that's illegally trespassed, um, by swinging your leg over that's pretty crazy.
Speaker 2So, um, there were these guys who actually built a special ladder that, like they'd bring with them oh, I saw that to just like set over the fence and they could just go over it and they'd gotten to.
Speaker 2They'd been getting into it, this landowner, for a while and then it it went to court and it went up to I think went up real high, I don't know, maybe Supreme court, but where the I don't know what it ended up finally getting ruled on it if it was legal or not. But basically it just became a big. It's been becoming a bigger, bigger thing and it is legal in Colorado and then I think it's legal in other states as well now. So it's starting to be protected. And so what some people are doing with it is they are proposing land trades where you'd go okay, how about you trade the left side of your checkerboard for the right side, so we can have this chunk, just be all public and you can have all this other. So there's things like that where they're trying to make that work better. But in general, just any time we sell off any public public land.
Speaker 1it's not going public again, it's private, which you know. That's kind of also like I can't be a hundred percent against that because I do think that if the federal government we want to fund itself and essentially get rid of all taxation because I really do want to get to a day where I don't pay anything in taxes I want all taxation to go away and the government needs to be able to fund itself and support itself with what it does and the services it offers.
Speaker 1I do think if it wants to sell the land it owns and someone can afford to buy it, then that is capitalism, baby. You know what I mean. One day, if I have the money to do that, I don't know, but if I do have that, I'd want to be able to take advantage of that and buy some nice plot of land where I get to fish and hunt and shoot on um, which you know I know is like the argument against like yo, texas is like there's.
Speaker 1There is no public land in texas, everything is owned in texas you want to go shoot somewhere, you're going on someone's land and paying them. Or you're going to a shooting range, indoor or outdoor, um, but there's no free place to go shoot your guns. Same with hunting in texas anywhere you go and hunt in texas, you're paying to hunt on someone's land, um, and I guess I also. I like, yeah, it's capitalism, baby. Like I don't necessarily have an outright problem with it, but I understand the frustration and I understand the draw and desire to like keep things reserved or not reserved, preserved in a way to make sure everyone can use it, even those who don't have the money to buy land and stuff like that, which I think is important.
Speaker 1And so it's kind of one of those things where you want to know how I really feel. I feel like I should be allowed to hunt in rocky mountain national park. That's how I really feel I feel like I should be allowed to pull up there in the parking lot and go hunt in that park my taxes pay for it if I get the tag, I should be able to go in there and get myself a elk.
Speaker 1Yeah, you know and I'm saying this as someone who's never gone on a super serious hunting trip before, right, I've never done like a multiple, like a 10-day camp out to pursue an elk tag or something like that, right. But I also know it'd be very hypocritical if I just say outright yeah, we should never sell those lands, because I do think there is a time and place where it makes sense for the government to sell land to pay for itself. So I don't know, yeah, I'm open to your feedback and if that's totally off base in your opinion.
Speaker 2I think it's. It's not off base, it's just that the it's. For me it comes into like the the slippery slope stuff, where it's basically just like once it's you know. Or the the salami slice approach, where it's just like and once you let that guard down and let it continue like then it does get. When does it get to the point where it is selling off?
Speaker 2all of it all you know, all of it or certain places and things like that, yeah, and so, and so there's you know those, and I think that there probably is. Maybe there's a time and place for it. But I think that I guess that's where you would hope that your representatives are actually representing what you want for it, like representing the populace you know, like, if you know, this part of Utah decided they want to get rid of it, they want to sell it, like okay, you know, but you just have to hope that you're represented well in what you want. And I think that for me, it basically comes down to just that don't want to see anymore get sliced away, yeah, and I think that I don't think that what it would sell for would fund much of a darn thing Like what's our debt right now?
Speaker 1Yeah, our debt's like what like 35 trillion. Yeah, but it wasn't to like fund that, it was to fund the parks.
Speaker 2Right, right, but it's yeah, so it's still like it could go places, but it's just like. Either way, like looking at the federal government holistically, just being like this is not going to move the needle for what we need in general to. Would it pay for the parks for two years, 10 years, 100 years, you know, or would it? You know? And so I think it's. That's one, definitely one space where I like for being like right-leaning whenever Republicans bring it up, it's like no, no, thank you. But what I do want to, I want to talk about something too was for how our federal government is funded is and I didn't know this until the other day that we used to be fully funded off of tariffs, like there was, like the federal government Before we got to gold standard and shit.
Speaker 2Yeah, we funded our government from 1790 to 1860 just on tariffs. Tariffs were 90% of the federal revenue. That's pretty wild.
Speaker 1It's because we were exporting a lot of stuff. It was the new world man and the government was tiny, as it should be. It was tiny, Well, and then, you know, it changed in 1860-ish. The government got divided in half. Yeah yeah, it had to have a little fight with itself.
Speaker 2Mm-hmm, there was for that too, I learned the other day too. Was that for the Civil War war? I didn't know that like it was like spain and there was like france and france and a couple of those were getting on board with the south. Oh yeah, everyone got on board with the south.
Speaker 1No one's giving them crap for that and there was, it was russia got on board with the north well, you and this is unpopular right yeah, and I really don't care how people feel, but it it was like something um, 3% of Americans, uh, own slaves at the time when the civil war broke out and it was like you know, I don't, I think in the North it was something like 2% of North aligned States had slaves. Uh, 3% of like the Southern Confederate aligned States had slaves. And then it was like it was ironic, Most of the States that sat it out and didn't pick a side had way higher rates of slavery ownership. But, um, when people were asked like why did you fight in the civil war on the South? Like, were you pro slavery? No one who was down like interviewed in, who fought in that like none of the soldiers in the confederacy owned slaves. Like, if you were a soldier in the confederacy, especially if you were like drafted when they were coming through town, like we need men and boys, like you're gonna get put, you're gonna wear these greys and come through, uh, those were not the people who were of the class who could afford slaves. But they all said the ones who volunteered even to sign up, they said, well, we fought because they they invaded. We fought because we were being invaded, the. It wasn't that we were pro-slavery, it was that we were anti them and blue coats invading and taking our land in our towns and telling us this is the way it was going to be.
Speaker 1Um, and I found that really interesting. Like that's the most cited like and this isn't me like making shit up, like you can look it up like the most statistically referenced reason for soldiers enlisting was due to the uh like antagonist invasion and uh threats of the north of the government. Essentially, it was just a bunch of boys who were like the government doesn't just get to mark that, march down here and take my shit away. Um, and I say that, and someone's like someone's immediately gonna be like take my shit away, you're talking about slaves. I'm like no again, these guys didn't own slaves. What the government did do is they come down and like well, we are going to take your business and we are going to take your dollars and we are going to take your food and your crops and whatever to fund, you know, the war effort to secure the rest of this place and lock it down and people are like no dude, that's not happening.
Speaker 1I'd rather die than watch you take everything away from me. Um, so now am I happy? The north one, absolutely, but do I will I always like try to clear that up when people make that misassumption? For sure, 100, without a doubt. Uh, relating back to what we were talking about, though, I think that's like you know that that's the kind of uh, well, actually I can't remember how that related back. You might have to edit this. What were you saying that? And now I got on the south side.
Speaker 2Oh, the 1860s. Yeah, yep, tariffs, tariffs, yeah.
Speaker 1That happened, and then we needed all of a sudden a lot more money to fund the government.
Speaker 2Yep.
Speaker 1And then half of the nation was very poor because they lost the war. So the government needed more money to go and rebuild the nation. And it all changed, man. It all changed.
Speaker 2It did, and so I was just yeah with the tariffs. Everybody's getting real all puckered on tariffs lately, but that's just because we've unfortunately completely become reliant on little plastic doohickeys coming over from China and getting on my porch in 10 seconds after I push a button um and it's.
Speaker 1It's a sad thing because, like uh, you know, today I shoot, I shoot guns a lot and I saw that, uh, it was announced, trump is doing a like what? 50 tariff on copper as a import into the us from china.
Speaker 1I think and it's like, yeah, that does suck and it is going to make it more expensive, but that tariff is there to also incentivize copper production here at home. You know, that's like that's the big thing, as well as like, yes, tariff imports to tax imports, uh, but also have more domestic production, so that way we can revitalize independence and self-reliance in the US industry as a whole, which then leads to more revenue and stuff internally and less spending externally.
Speaker 2Yeah, we have to start re-industrializing America.
Speaker 2Yeah, we have to start re-industrializing America.
Speaker 2The pickle of that is what we've gotten ourselves into with like kind of like environmentalist suing battles Like it's going to be— was like thinking about what would it take to bring back you know forms of industrialization to America, and it like I never got very far in my thought process because everything I come up with would just get like a meat, Even if you had like huge budgets, it just like immediately halted by someone saying you can't build that here, or this is the regulation, or we want this piece of the pie for it, and it's just like, oh man, we might be in a position where we can't do that anymore, and I think that's not necessarily true. I think it would just be very, very difficult and everything would have to be automated because no one's going to go do that job in a factory or in a warehouse, and maybe that's not true, I think there's a lot of Gen Zers or whatever you want to call them, zoomers, whatever that are going to end up enthusiastically finding meditative work in blue collar quote unquote factory work.
Speaker 1Meditative work in blue collar Quote unquote factory work. That you know what Is going to be paying good money Because they're going to need laborers in the US to do it, and it's going to, I think you know.
Housing Market Inflation and Wage Gap
Speaker 2Who has 14 degrees and is very capable but can't get a job to buy a house, right, the new era of basement dweller, not like the old one, you know, like it just so. It's like, um, I don't know what that looks like, but I do think that, um, the kind of old uh thoughts of you know, like living within your means, you know, and you know waste not want, not, you know, or what these sorts of of things are we capable of, even having that as our expectations? Or or what we see as like a thriving uh life, as a as reaching, like you know, a good life. Or is it like no man, I need the, I need like the uh, you know whatever, I need a yacht or I need a this or that or whatever. Or you know all the lies of the world that we've like that we TikTok or Instagrammed ourselves into what is like quote unquote a normal life, and it's like that's not normal, that's extravagant.
Speaker 1Well, and I think you know, I think that's, though, not like anything new. You know what I mean. I think that's the way it's been. I think the guys who you know theer simpsons, back in the 60s, 70s, who could 80s, 90s I don't know like the how, the howls from malcolm in the middle yeah, who their wife could be a supermarket manager, and they could be. Uh, what did hal do? I can't remember what he did all of a sudden. Uh, but homer simpson, you know, marge would stay a stay-at-home mom and Homer Simpson worked at the power plant and that dude made enough money to have a house and pay the bills and feed his family and yada, yada, I think that lifestyle.
Speaker 1Those people who were there and still got to live through that point of time in America would still say like yeah, you know what? Like we didn't know we were living the american dream, because we always thought the american dream was that like a little bit more. The american dream was actually that timeshare in aspen. The american dream was like the two jet skis that were down at the condo in florida, you know whatever right.
Speaker 1And now a lot of us look back and they're like holy shit, I was living the american dream because I was working one job, wife got to stay home, raise my kids. I was never worried about who was looking after them, were their safety and, uh, they weren't getting indoctrinated into like weird shit at school, oh, and also like I had a roof over my head, food in my belly and it was enough money to also save up for retirement pension, whatever. And now I think a lot of people look back on that and see like, oh, like it's borderline, impossible to be making less than like a household income of six figure plus to even feel stable, let alone to feel like you got enough to feed everybody, clothe everybody, you know. Get out of the know, get out of the debt cycle, get out of the you know renting cycle, um, and get into like serious, like freedom, uh, or financial security. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2Yep, and that's the it's, a it's. It is a hard conversation because it is gotten to the point where, yeah, owning is like seems like a uh, uh goal post, always moving forward, or like something just astronomical or something that you, you could get, but you're just gonna have to, totally, you know, sign, your, you know be, house poor, you know and uh or whatever, all the way over to the god, especially pieces especially in places like colorado dude like I think there's some places in colorado you can afford to live, but you're still paying more than the equivalent to like nebraska, like you can live in the plains of colorado and you could do so for rather affordably.
Speaker 1Comparatively, you're paying more money than you would to do that in nebraska and have better quality of living there in a better sized town and more convenient. Um, dude, I saw, I see stuff in our town here that's just, oh, my god, it's just insulting. I'm talking like 1300 square foot old school houses that need completely renovated on the inside. You know foundation is leaning and seeking. They flood once a year in the basement. 750, yeah, and I'm just like this is outrageous, dude. Like who's paying for that? I don't know anyone who's buying that stuff. You know what I mean. Everyone I know who's purchased a house in the last few years has actually made pretty decent purchases on like cost of square footage.
Speaker 2They just wait around and wait for them to show up and I understand, like inflation cost of you know into you know uh, rise in market pricing. But like when I was a kid, not all that long ago, we used to have a phrase called million dollar house.
Speaker 1You'd be like yeah, I live in a million dollars, a million dollar house, you know yeah and it was.
Speaker 2It was like, you know, huge, you know 4 000 square foot house, freaking, made out of huge like wood timbers. They got a theater room downstairs, you know, whole up, the whole upstairs is a master bedroom, you know whatever. And you know that 40 foot long kitchen island, that's. You know, granite countertop, whatever. You know the house with the back deck and the hot tub, you know all that stuff. But now it's like I don't know we were pushing like. Now it's like, yeah, man, he lives in a three million dollar house, whatever.
Speaker 1It's like tripled, that's crazy yeah, I uh, you know what? That's a good point. I'm gonna look at and just see a couple things here I just want to see I I'm now aware that I didn't know that I was living in a million dollar home. Oh yeah, my grandparents house 2700, uh, about 2800 square feet, three bedroom, two bathroom home, uh, down in like south denver area is the story you're reading.
Speaker 2No, no, this is my house. Oh, this is your house this is my grandparents house.
Speaker 1Oh, okay, I think my grandfather sold it for, like, I think he bought it and like I know I mean, I know he bought it and then they did built on additions or something it was. At the time I thought it was a lot of money it was like five hundred thousand dollars to buy the house and the land it was on and do the additional garage and renovations in it. Um and uh, now it seems like they've done some stuff like put up some fences and stuff like that Solar. Uh, it's over a million dollars. It's a $1.1 million home, which is insane to me because I'm like I lived in that and I didn't think I was living in a million dollar house.
Speaker 2Yeah, um we'll look at a couple other ones here just to see. But she kept it and rented it. But that's funny about it too, too that looking back and there's all these different property scenes over time I'll talk with, like my family, other people, like man, we should have kept that and rented it. Or everybody's like, yeah, we just we didn't know that it was gonna triple, you know, and the wages haven't tripled, so it's wild yeah, it's pretty, it's pretty crazy, uh, to see that.
Speaker 1I mean I know we've talked about it before too, but it is just mind-boggling to me, um, the like uh, rate at which wages have fallen behind. Um, you know, because you always hear it and it's like, yeah, okay, everyone's still pissing and moaning about they don't make enough money, yada, yada, I don't make enough money, I, you don't see me pissing and whining. And then you like, look at the statistics. You're just like, oh, my god, like wages have not kept up. This is insane how far behind they are. You know, how are we supposed to afford anything? Um, you know, with the way these have inflated and it's just, uh, it's sad, but it is the way it is right now. Um, and hopefully I'm a dreamer, you know what I mean, but I'm saying hopefully tariffs help kind of rebalance a lot of this stuff again.
Speaker 2Yeah, because, like here's, let's break it down 1980s we got rent, you know, 200 bucks. Now, 2025, this is kind of like average across America, 2,000. All right, now it's funny thing TVs back in the day, yeah, 3 000 versus today's tv of 600, comparatively, yep. For the same size tv, cd player, 500, music, 100 bucks, all right. You know, a cell phone, two thousand dollars, you know, now it's a thousand. You see, computer, 2500.
Speaker 2I guess this is breaking down kind of the, the shift in luxuries, um, where we go to, uh, a computer, uh, $2,500. Now you can get the same computer for 500 bucks. Microwave 500 bucks microwave, now 200 bucks. Um, and so the oh, where's the rest of this breakdown? Where did it go? But then, so that's kind of speaking to like luxuries and things, how we've seen stuff flip from that. That goes to back to, you know, china's, our dependency on, on china, um, but then where we have, you know where, home sales price 1980 average was 600 or 60, sorry, 64 000 up to now. Average home price 2023 426 000. That is, that's crazy, a big increase, um. And average wages. I have to set average wages on it. Let's look at average wages of 1980 versus 2025. Oh, where's this little picture? Show me the picture. I can't read a whole article right now. Oh, there's nothing great coming up.
Speaker 1I know we looked at it before yeah. And it's like all the different inflation rates, yeah.
Speaker 2You know these are oh huh, these are all too complicated, they're not showing stuff. Just give me the two numbers. It was one of the. Really the AI Googler was getting too far, but the we know what it is. You know it was like average wage was like, you know, $20,000. I was like 70 or whatever, and it's like that's not quite cutting the it's not cutting the mustard yeah, exactly oh, here we go.
Speaker 1Found my grandparents house before they moved into that one uh-huh it's a 2 555 square foot home in uh highlands ranch, colorado. I remember they bought it for like $300,000. Big deal back then, you know what I mean and it was gosh, I wonder. I'm looking here for the history to see what they sold it for. But nowadays it is worth estimated $715,000. That's unreal to me, man. That's like a 50% markup. Yeah, they sold it. They sold it. Sorry, they bought it for just under 300 000, sold it for 335 and now it's worth 715 in 20 years that's crazy.
Speaker 2I mean what the craziest thing would be if you looked at it like over the last Looked at my grandfather's salary. Then or that. And if you looked at the last six years, yeah, what it kind of bumped in there, you know.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 2But hey, the crazy thing too is the new builds man. They're built so bad. I watched this guy on YouTube so bad. Who does it's like this home inspector who? Just he has this big floppy hat on have? Who does it's like this home inspector who?
Speaker 1just he has this big floppy hat on, have you?
Speaker 2seen the big floppy hat home inspector guy. Yeah, yeah, sigh, uh, and he just goes around and just tears, these.
Speaker 1I can't tell you who the builder is. Yeah, he like just walks past the front sign.
Speaker 2Yeah, it's always the best I mean they slap these things together and they are not awesome. I'm in new builds all the time. I was looking around like they're so bad. Dude, what are they doing? Yeah, it's rough. So if you want a brand new house, bite the bullet and get a custom home builder yeah, honestly, that's just better.
Speaker 1It's gonna save you more money in the long run, because the new builds are insanely overpriced now anyways and if you just get a custom home built, you're way better on luck. I've heard a lot of good things, too, from people who have bought in our. I mean, of course there's a bias, right, you buy it and you don't want to live in a bad house and have a bad opinion of house. But I've heard a lot of good things that people buy in and living in the um like, uh, kind of like manufactured homes where you like, they're like kit homes right Like you build like your basic floor plan.
Speaker 1That gets mailed and gets assembled and then you expand it to whatever plan or design you want to do, and they used to be an alternative to how expensive it was to just buy a home or buy a custom home. They were seen as a cheaper thing and now they're seen as the more reliable, more consistent manufacturing than you are getting with random Joe Blow contractors out there just building stuff and not building it up to code or spec at all.
Speaker 2Yeah part of the reason why they they new builds can hike their prices so high is what? It's a game they're playing, is they they? They hike up that price but and what they're doing is they sell you the home and and they so they make money on it. But also, what they're doing is have in. You probably saw this while you were looking at some spots. I don't know if you looked into it, but in a new development, they will finance the house for you, yeah, and they will come in way below way below on the percentage rate I remember that was the thing that was the biggest red flag to me when we were looking at stuff.
Speaker 1They're like, yeah, we'll, we'll come in at. Uh, you know, we'll offer it today at a five, five point five percent rate.
Speaker 2Uh and, as opposed to today's, we'll give you a hundred thousand dollars down payment.
Speaker 1I was like what? You're gonna give me $100,000 to go towards the down payment. They're like yeah, yeah, we'll mark it off, okay.
Speaker 2So what this really looks like is Did I just walk into a car dealership? What's happening here?
Speaker 1Exactly right. And you see how everything else is done with the oh yeah. By the way, none of these things are in the home for you, but you can just add them on the back of the sheet and they add into the home cost. And yeah, we are getting the cheapest from China washer and dryer and stove.
Speaker 2Toilet. I got to add the toilet. Yeah, you got to add a toilet.
Speaker 1But we're getting the cheapest one and we're gonna see on the when, when it comes to closing costs, that washer and dryer, thirty thousand dollars of the hundred thousand dollars they marked off, oh yeah, it's just bonkers, it's insanity. Anyways, you know what? We've covered a lot of stuff here at today. We've covered a lot of disgruntled results from our current admin, which is sad because I think you know there's so many people who voted for this admin to deliver on things that for the most part I feel like they were delivering on and I say that's someone who didn't vote for him like with like the ambition or hope that they would deliver on it. But once they got in there there was a lot I saw that they were promising. I'm like, hey, all right, you won, let's see you deliver.
Final Thoughts on Administration Promises
Speaker 1Here I'm still holding out for maha. I'm still holding out hope that, like we truly do see all of the dyes and all that removed. I'm really fingers crossed hoping for and I know a lot of people aren't gonna like this but just more thorough vetting and review of the vaccinations and the trials that were done on them, because already there's stuff coming out about, like the Hep B trials and stuff and mandates and how Hep B is kind of sketchy. But all that said, I hope the health movement succeeds the most. That's the one I'm finger-crossing the most, because at least if we're not getting cancer from the toxins in our potato chips, then we'll live long enough to hopefully try to fix whatever the fuck up they make.
Speaker 2You know what I mean. Yep, yep, I agree, that's the one that I think that lots of people could get behind, you know, and there's big money in that that's gonna try to stop it, but that's the one that could could have some, you know, have some positive outcomes, and we will see. We'll see if, uh, if he, the old guy, gets it done you know.
Speaker 1Sorry, bro. Um, all right, well. Well, hey, thanks for listening. Ken, let us know what you're happy or unhappy with in the current admin. Um, oh gosh, and if you're out there and you know some stuff about Epstein and the list and you know what, you're just ready to spill the beans on it, let us know. We'd love to have you talk about it. I'm making a giant call.
Speaker 2I'm making a casting call right now. I don't care.
Speaker 1We're like try it, dude, try it honestly, try it. No, actually I'll say this right now if you want to kill us for talking about it, try it. All, right, um with that. Uh, yeah, we, we have a lot of fun. We had a lot of laughs here. Thanks for listening. We appreciate you, ken. Pat, you got anything.
Speaker 2Till next time, folks.
