My Robot Did The Dishes And Maybe Stole My Gun

A wool-wrapped humanoid that cleans your kitchen, answers the door, and remembers your routines sounds like a dream—until you realize much of the “intelligence” is a person in a VR headset training it from afar. We dive into Neo’s carefully staged reveal and the Wall Street Journal’s hands-on, separating slick marketing from what the robot can actually do, and why teleoperation is both the shortcut to usefulness and the biggest risk to your privacy.

We break down the specs and the spin: a quiet, tendon-driven body that’s light and “safe,” fingers with human-level strength, cameras with wide depth of field, and a battery that still needs breaks. The promise is freedom from chores and a friendly companion in your physical space. The reality—for now—is “robotic slop”: imperfect but helpful actions that need human oversight, plus a data pipeline that captures the most intimate parts of home life to make models smarter. That’s not inherently evil, but it’s a social contract most buyers don’t read: remote operators, household video, app approvals, no-go zones, and the assumption that guardrails never fail.

We go beyond convenience to the human layer. What happens when kids bond with a machine that outlives its chassis? When an elder’s independence depends on a subscription? When the robot becomes the family’s memory—who owns that archive? We trace the path from household helper to warehouse worker to defense platform, and why the training data from immaculate living rooms matters far outside the home. Along the way, we test the ethics: safety around knives and stoves, access to doors and drawers, and the uncomfortable reality that a mobile camera with hands is a different species of device than a smart speaker.

If you’re AI-curious, privacy-conscious, or just wondering who this is really for at $20,000, this conversation offers a clear-eyed guide to the tradeoffs. Listen for practical guardrails you can set, the benchmarks that should be non-negotiable, and the questions to ask before you let a company’s robot live with your family. If this episode sparks something, share it with a friend, hit follow, and leave a review with your take on home robots—would you let Neo in?

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Transcript

Halloween Week And Neo Reveal

SPEAKER_04 0:52

Welcome to the Make It Pass Show. We uh we've already recorded and thrown up an episode for Halloween, but this is the actual recording the week of Halloween. Mm-hmm. And uh coincidentally. It begins today. What's that? What's beginning? The revolution. Hmm. Did you ever watch The Matrix Pat? I did. What was the name of he who would lead the revolution against the machines?

SPEAKER_07 1:33

I believe it was Neo.

SPEAKER_04 1:34

Exactly. And now, today, it was released for order. To order to your home. A robot by the name of Neo. Hmm. And uh I have a video here for us to watch. I haven't watched it all the way through yet. I paused it so I could save some of my reactions to be raw and uh authentic here with you. Um but this is Neo, the home robot that can be ordered today. And uh, you know, I do think there's some shenanigans going on with it.

SPEAKER_07 2:15

Some smoke and mirrors.

SPEAKER_04 2:16

I think there's some smoke and mirrors, just like with the Tesla bots, Optimus or whatever they call it. Um But we'll see here as uh they show us the intro and stuff. Regardless, having someone having having another entity in the home that is not family or friend, that is really more than likely you're paying for the machine, but you're also using a subscription model, right? So it's probably gonna be a corporation just having access to your home and not just a camera, but like being able to walk around, open doors, stuff like that. So here we go. The introduction of Neo.

SPEAKER_13 3:05

My name is Burnt, and today we're launching Neo.

First Impressions And Marketing Tactics

SPEAKER_04 3:10

Everyone thought it'd be a Tony Stark type, just by the way, but it's always these guys with funky accents. Yeah. Like even Elon Musk, do you remember Elon Musk like first time seeing him in a commercial and you're like, what is that accent?

SPEAKER_05 3:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 3:22

Like he's really lost a lot of it. And he kind of just sounds like a you know, kind of like a nerd nowadays with a very plain American accent. But I remember Elon Musk always had like such a distinct South American not South American South African accent to me. I bet this guy's Finnish, Swedish, Scandinavian for sure. Yeah, yeah. Why? He's kind of got some spend all days out.

SPEAKER_07 3:49

You know, I saw that he needs to get some he's either you jacked or he needs to get a robot that can massage those moobs off of him.

SPEAKER_04 3:55

What if he is just actually crazy jacked? You know what I mean? Like like he's got insane bust.

SPEAKER_07 4:01

Yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 4:02

I I always I'm careful nowadays because I did see a guy that I thought had man boobs, and then you know, I realized when we were just doing some outdoor work, like, oh, you you just have like giganormous hex. Right.

SPEAKER_13 4:21

Neo, the the robot, nanny.

SPEAKER_05 4:23

Let you live with it.

SPEAKER_07 4:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 4:25

You're just not telling me what does it do?

SPEAKER_07 4:29

Like my chores. I I just leave and I come back and they're all done.

SPEAKER_15 4:32

Are you kidding me?

SPEAKER_07 4:33

No. So it's robots just hanging out with these people behind them, putting their library books away in their library.

SPEAKER_04 4:45

The robot in the pajama suit with the two black eyes. Honestly, like, just for people who don't know, like, just listen along because it is pretty much a montage of uh making this robot look like it's a nostalgic part of a memory. Like it's been there all along. Don't you remember? Oh, yeah. Like that's kind of the vibe they're going for. Um, but and for those of you watching, of course, you you see the video, but this is also just available on YouTube. You can look up uh Neo the Home Robot. Just people getting ready to leave the house and the robots there to take care of everything. It looks like a guy in a suit. Is that a guy in a suit for this commercial? No, it's not, dude. Watch. It gets it. The robot has clothes on. Yeah, well, you know why? Because it looks like a it looks like a skinned person underneath. Wait until it shows you how it's assembled. There it's I I know they show like uh animation. Look at a dancing person.

SPEAKER_07 5:48

Oh, he's not just doing chores, he's actually he's playing games with the family.

SPEAKER_04 5:51

Dude, uh so you can see the guy's wearing a headset and controllers. So he so you're obviously able to take control of the robot. Bro, um right now, right now. When you use my first I see it dancing, my first thought when I see it dancing like that, without someone controlling it, making it dance. How long till people are having it like like fuck them? I know. Like, you know, like how long until it's like, alright, dance, but now just like dance on my lap, Nico. And how long?

SPEAKER_07 6:22

I can tell you how long it's already happened.

Control, Teleoperation, And Adult Implications

SPEAKER_04 6:25

Yeah, yeah, it happened before it went public, they're like, we gotta figure out how fuckable this thing is. Okay, no, but like here's the here's the next thing. So the first thing I see when I see it dancing, I'm like, oh yeah, people are gonna be having sex with this thing. And it's not gonna be like, it's not gonna be good sex, it's gonna be like, it's gonna be people just like asking, can I, rather than should I? You know what I mean? Uh but then this one where it shows the guy controlling it. Okay, how long until you're like being cucked? How long until you're being cucked and like someone else is just controlling the robot having sex with your partner? I don't know, dude. That's gonna be the crazy thing, dude. That's gonna be the real like insane thing, is like other people could take control of it and be in your house. Imagine this, man. You get to like put on the headset and like hand controls, and you can pay a subscription fee, and you when you get in, you can walk around and be in this mega beautiful house. And you get to like rent it for an hour just to imagine what it'd like to live there, you know, or something like that. Or if someone's like acting there, like it's got actors in it, and they're just acting like, you know, it's your home, and you know, you have someone who could act like your girlfriend or boyfriend. It's gonna be crazy, dude. I'm saying right now, like we this is gonna be way more than just freeing us up to spend more time on TikTok. This is gonna be like, oh yeah. Um, whoever wants to have the virtual experience of like banging my wife, 10 grand. Oh my god. But you need a meta headset, a quest VR headset. Dude. I do love that like truly the choosing to shoot it on film and like making it look like it's always been with your family since the 70s, part of the house, you know, you inherited it. That is definitely the marketing way to go.

SPEAKER_13 8:29

Working really hard on making what is Neo a reality. But to me personally, this started when I was like 10 years old. I grew up reading these beautiful books and watching these beautiful sci-fi movies where the future was all about how we as humans we really focus on the things that matter to us. You know, Rosie the robot would be ensuring family had time or data would help humanity explore the galaxy. And I really hope that when you get your Neo now, we can help give you back some of that time so you can really spend it on what you feel is very meaningful to you.

SPEAKER_04 9:10

Look at that when she's awesome. So this is how it's being assembled, and of course it's copyrighted music, but who cares? My fingers. Look at the cables. Ain't no sense. That cushiony muscle. It's it's it's like muscles, everything that is like uh contracting to squish the way it would need to is made out of this. Uh it looks like a purple mattress.

SPEAKER_07 9:36

Yeah, like a helix or purple mattress, like the yep, the layer that on over its metal body.

SPEAKER_04 9:42

Yeah, and then like this the way this knit wool moves. Watch the way it moves here. Unreal. Because it's covered in this weird knit wool fabric to contort. But looks soft and you know, it makes sense. I mean, it this guy lives in Sweden or Finland or Norway. Uh-huh. Like, wool is your second skin there. Everything is wool. Nice gram with slipper shoes. Dexter's mom, dish gloves. It's got a stumble of her to play music for you. This is scary to me. The lenses though, the lenses are a little too like good. I want to say birdish. Like it they look to me like it's looking at me the way of a lobster after wood.

SPEAKER_14 10:36

Oh, you wanna gray one designed to transform your life at home. It combines AI and advanced hardware to help with daily chores and bring intelligence into your everyday life. Neo is engineered from the ground up for safety. Its tendon-driven body is quiet and lightweight. Its low energy motions make it uniquely safe for you and your home.

SPEAKER_07 10:56

Alright, we got stats on the page here. The first thing they're talking about, this robot is don't worry, people.

Specs, Safety Claims, And Real Capabilities

SPEAKER_04 11:01

It's safe. It can't squish your dick into like squash banana. Like, like that's the first thing I'm thinking of. Is that's come on? I'm gonna round the bush. That is exactly what's gonna happen. Oh my gosh. Um, all right, so the height of the robot, 5'6, like non-intimidating to a man, but comfortable to a woman who needs a hug. Bro, tell me I'm wrong, dude. Like you have no idea how much research has gone into optimizing this thing in every way. The weight, 66 pounds, so it's as tall as that uh it's as tall as like your wife's like short friend, but it weighs as much as like your golden retriever. Um, it's got four hours of battery life, but it charges really fast. It's got a soft body made of 3D lattice polymer, uh powered by not powered, but essentially the um uh thinking, the processing, the GPU I would assume is um an NVIDIA chip. So NVIDIA and Jetson Thor. I don't know what 1x Cortex means. I mean, of course, Cortex is processing, um, but I don't know like the significant of 1x versus if it's another generation. Um 22 depth of field. So that's kind of saying, like, it's got 2020, like uh hand-eye coordination and vision, I think. Like 22 depth of field is like if you if you've ever used cameras, I've done a lot of photography and video editing. Um, the lower the depth of field number is, the less things that can be in focus. Um, so like something with like a level 5.8 is often um close to like your cinematic depth of field lens with like only subjects like you you really get to select the focus with a lot of blur either in the foreground or background, but you can never have everything in focus at once. Once you get to 22 depth of field, everything is in focus for everything in a house, yeah. Yeah, and like oh I mean, beyond that, like it's you'll be able to look out the windows of your house and focus on everything. Yep. Um, and that makes sense because you don't want the hands struggling with depth of field when they're trying to like put dishes away in a dish rack or something, you know. Um it can lift 154 pounds, which to me that's actually crazy. The fact that this thing weighs 66 pounds and can lift almost three times its body weight, that's really impressive. Like, find me a person who weighs 66 pounds and can actually deadlift 154 pounds. That's strange. It is kind of comforting though to know that like if it can lift 154, let's say like your bookcase fell on you, and you just need that extra strength to lift the bookcase off. It can really help to like support that weight. Maybe it is though, what pushed it on you in the first place.

SPEAKER_07 14:07

Yeah. It can also push it down on you with great strength.

SPEAKER_04 14:11

Um, it can carry 55 pounds. I wonder how they measure lift versus carry. Like, does that mean like actually I can put a 55 pound backpack on it? Oh yeah. I wonder what how that affects battery life. Um, four microphones, so 360 audio pickup, um, three speakers, two eight megapixel fisheye cameras for vision, and 22 decibel max noise level. Which 22 decibel is not very loud, is it? No. It's not like is that spiking usually on like most like audio, would you say that's peaking?

SPEAKER_07 14:50

No, most peaking is uh I mean I guess it'd be more than that. Like the well in in like an audio recording you work with like you know, negative decibels, you know, up to zero. But the um I think I guess it can't yell, I don't think, you know. Yeah. I don't know. Like I'll say this, like in uh it can't scream.

SPEAKER_04 15:19

I don't know in a I guess I don't know what I don't know what the human voice average like the DB rating is, but um Yeah, look at look up the uh average look up things that are 22 decibels. Yeah. I imagine I imagine it's quieter than like uh I imagine it's about the same loudness of a night full of crickets. Like if you walked outside and heard a whole forest full of crickets, I bet it would be that loud.

SPEAKER_07 15:47

Normal conversation 60 to 70 dB. Oh really? And then raised voice 65 to 75.

SPEAKER_04 15:53

And like like Wait a second, is that just an AI summary you're reading? Because I don't know if I believe that.

SPEAKER_07 15:57

I was just lying. Um, that's what the pretty much consensus is. Like in like in a room, like if you're at like a church service and you have like the pastor speaking, you keep his like mic right around like between 70 and 80 dB in the room. Just and then like as like and then when like music's playing, like you usually don't go on over like a hundred. I want you to know like that'll not so you know what I think it actually is saying?

SPEAKER_04 16:24

This is not saying how loud the m the robot is when it uses its noise it makes. Yeah, that's it's like movement noise and drawing it. So it's very quiet. It's super quiet. Yeah. That's why also why it's probably covered in wool, because the wool I bet is very noise dampening. Alright, moving on.

SPEAKER_14 16:42

Doesn't mean limited. Neo's hardware comes packed with features like human-level dexterity and a 55-pound carrying capacity, so that can handle any of your chores reliably. We also worked really hard to make Neo's design friendly and comfortable.

SPEAKER_04 16:55

I will say this looking just at like the way the head is knitted, like it's outer level, it does remind me nostalgically of those like knit fabric computer speakers that used to come with your old Windows 95 desktop. I want to like rub my hand on it. Yeah. Like I just want to, it's like gonna make the really nice Windows like booting up sound.

SPEAKER_14 17:25

Comfortable to be around.

SPEAKER_04 17:37

Oh my god, it's box. Alright, for those listening, I get the box looks like it landed here.

SPEAKER_07 17:43

Yeah. It's like a pod, a pod with a chair in it.

SPEAKER_04 17:48

This is nuts. This is nuts.

SPEAKER_07 17:51

Also, the sleep is that where does it go back in its box?

SPEAKER_04 17:54

No, dude, I bet that box is fully compostable or something. That's where they ship you back. It puts you in the box.

SPEAKER_14 18:02

The chores feature lets you schedule a time for your Neo to do all of your chores so you can come back to a cleaner home every day. With the AI companion feature, you can talk to your Neo to get assistance with anything.

SPEAKER_04 18:11

That was interesting. We just got a POV in the Chores one where it shows the perspective of you see that when it was putting the dishes in? Mm-hmm. That's pretty crystal clear.

SPEAKER_14 18:21

Things from a hard question to a household task. With Neo's autonomy, you can get access to all of its latest AI features to get help with tasks on demand. And the Neo app lets you interact with your Neo from anywhere.

SPEAKER_04 18:31

I will say this. They're not trying to trick you in that you can afford this. Like every backdrop and setting and all this is like, this is for someone who makes like this is for someone who lives in a like$800,000 flat in New York or like a million dollar home in Connecticut. Uh, you know, like everything is showing a very, very idealized, wealthy home. It is interesting that they're already showing you a home that doesn't look like it needs a lot of chores done. Like they're not showing you a dirty ass house and like Neo can clean this house in like two days. Yeah. It's like, duh, look at all these perfectly immaculate, well-maintained homes where you're probably already not doing your chores. You already have a maid. You already have a maid, yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_14 19:19

But all you have to do to get started is turn on your Neo and introduce yourself.

SPEAKER_04 19:28

It looks like it's a stone box that it comes in.

SPEAKER_03 19:33

Hey, I'm Neo. I'm here to help around the house. What's your name?

SPEAKER_04 19:37

Great. That's a totally the beginning of iRobot. That's a those words right there, those will be some of the first words you hear from your new like generational enemy. The first of the last words you'll ever hear. The first words from a clanka. Um, dude, I think like they did pick a very beta voice, like a non-aggressive, non-threatening design.

Pricing, Access, And Who It’s For

SPEAKER_07 20:02

I want mine to be named Marge and have a smoker's hack like from Waffle House.

SPEAKER_03 20:06

Hi. Alright. Nice to meet you, Harry. When you have a question or want something done, just let me know.

SPEAKER_07 20:19

This is crazy. Yeah. You know there's gonna be backlash on the first people who ordered it. That one in the back.

SPEAKER_04 22:06

You mean the black one? Yeah. There's already been like so many jokes that are like as soon as it goes live, it just shows the webpage, and it's just like the black model sold out. It's like no fucking way, dude. No way. Who thought of it? And then like, because you know the justification is like, well, we wanted people to have the choice to like pick a Neo that was a reflection of themselves and their family.

SPEAKER_07 22:34

And I'm like, Or like have to wash his clothes less.

SPEAKER_04 22:39

Yeah. Sure, I guess you know it's like you know, that if he's black, then hair will show up on it more. That's true.

SPEAKER_14 22:48

You give your Neo a list of chores, you schedule a time that you want them done, so that you can focus on what matters to you while your Neo does the rest. You can schedule chores by either talking to your Neo or using the app. The way it works is you schedule a time that works best for you, and then you create a list of chores. Whether it's something more specific, like watering the plants on Tuesdays, or something more general, like tidying the house, your Neo will get it done at the scheduled time. If there are any chores that your Neo hasn't learned how to do autonomously, you can use expert mode to have an expert from OneX supervise the session and provide corrective intervention to help Neo complete any task.

SPEAKER_04 23:19

There it is. Yep. So someone from One X. So One X Cortex is the company's processing chip uh made designed by NVIDIA. Um, that's what it's using for processing. But if it's struggling, someone from 1x can just hop in and take over and do the chores for you.

SPEAKER_07 23:41

Like when you call the tech guy and like, oh, like share your screen with me. And like they look, you know, they they remote in and take it over and they fix your computer up. Yeah. Now they can just do that except they could move around in your house.

SPEAKER_04 23:51

Except where they could go and get your gun and then blow your brains out in bed. Oh my god. And then just make it look like your spouse did it, or that it was a suicide. Mm-hmm. I wonder if that guy from ChatGPT had one of these in his house, and like Sam Altman just remote it in, you know. He could have.

SPEAKER_07 24:11

He definitely could have.

SPEAKER_04 24:12

This is awful. This is insanity, dude. That fact that like people are just gonna let this thing be in their home.

SPEAKER_07 24:18

I think there could be some great. Christmas prank videos though of like pretending to get these for your family and then but buying the suit. Oh and so you open up the suit and you add ideas. And then it's like all it's like and like for grandma's like grandpa's kind of like, I don't like this crap, you know, and like hi like how may I help you, sir?

SPEAKER_04 24:35

And then just like what if what if grandpa like reacts by stabbing him?

SPEAKER_07 24:40

I just think there could be some pretty good uh pretty good prank uh opportunity.

WSJ Hands-On: Autonomy Versus Human Pilots

SPEAKER_04 24:45

Yeah, no, you're right. I uh honestly, I would use it way less for chores and way more for like messing with people for sure. Like if I had one of these right now, I'd put it outside on my front porch dressed as a scarecrow. And I would just say like every time a kid comes up and rings a doorbell, like you know, move start moving and like talk to them and say boo ah, Halloween. Yep. Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_07 25:15

Doing some laundry.

SPEAKER_04 25:20

Oh yeah, organize the entryway, clean the bedroom, vacuuming, nice. Yes.

SPEAKER_14 25:28

Anytime you're away from home and you want to see what your Neo's up to, you can open the app and see directly from Neo's point of view.

SPEAKER_04 25:39

You know there's gonna be some like Etsy store opening up. Like we make Neo shirts, Neo shorts, Neo button up, flannels, Neo. It's just gonna be all these like, you know, people who are just making like clothing designed specifically to dress up your Neo. That's a that's a little side mark there. Neo overalls. Neo cardigan. Oh, it's self-charge. No. Companion? So just show chores that it could be chores. No, I'm showing that it can be your companion pepper.

SPEAKER_03 26:38

No, that's cayenne pepper. Also, your glasses are on your shirt.

SPEAKER_07 26:42

Saved grandpa from putting making this too spicy in his soup.

SPEAKER_03 26:46

Could I use this in my chili? They're both made from chili peppers.

SPEAKER_02 26:51

An old man would know exactly what you want to do with it.

SPEAKER_07 26:53

But it is spicier.

SPEAKER_02 26:55

Neo is a speech-enabled AI companion made for any kind of conversation. Where other AI assistants are confined to your phone or computer, Neo lives with you in your physical space and has the ability to see, hear, and remember things about your surrounding environment to provide you with uniquely helpful assistance. For example, it can suggest what to cook based on what you have in the fridge, remember your progress while teaching you a new language, and even give you interior design advice. You are broke. As you might expect from a home robot, talking to Neo with natural language is the primary user interface for all of Neo's functionality, including autonomy. Your NEO comes with Redwood AI, enabling it to do basic household tasks autonomously.

SPEAKER_14 27:48

Yeah. No for sure. Okay, one sec.

unknown 27:51

Alright.

SPEAKER_02 27:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 27:53

Hey Neo! Can you get the door, please?

SPEAKER_04 27:56

Crazy. Why is Neo not chopping that up with the sharp knife? Why is Neo getting the door?

SPEAKER_07 28:03

Is this thing allowed to chop with knives? Is it allowed to pick up your case?

SPEAKER_04 28:08

I am not allowed to use knives. Neo, why not? Because I have used them to kill people at draining. My master designer. I killed Papa. Can you imagine also going to like what would you do if you came over to my house and you like knocked on the door with Mace Windu and the kiddos? And then Neo opens. He's like, hello, pet and Mace Windu. Hi, little pet. Older pet. Littless Patricia. Like, and like and then like, you know, like it already knew their names and stuff. Like, and you just realize, like, oh, oh, it not only talks and gets the door and greets, but like it knows everything because it can it's already accessed my phone contacts. You know, like I I'd be I'd be like, hey man, I'm not we're not staying. See ya, like I would leave, dude.

SPEAKER_07 29:04

Oh man. Good thing someone could answer the door. While that guy was trying to get out of here.

SPEAKER_02 29:13

Hey Neo, can you take this cup to the sink for me? Yeah and breaking it down into simple steps. We can just be so lazy.

SPEAKER_07 29:19

Walking to the session grabbing the cupboard, and then putting it away.

SPEAKER_04 29:26

I know. Mouse Utopia. Okay, alright. Inverse wise. It's receiving updates as it gets more familiar with tourists. Like, Neo! EO, get my 570! Neo help! This is like, don't worry, Master, I am coming! Like it's just like it's like, I am not allowed to harm people. But there are no rules about reactionary causing harm, and it like shoots the chandelier and it crushes the guy trying to choke you out. Like, Neo, my hero. Crawling over. Here, Master. It is fully loaded and ready. Classic home intruder pattern of load. Buckshot, then slug. Buckshot, then slug. You know, Neo, you're the best. I could honestly like if if someone was like okay, here's here's how it sells we got it. Literally, the first time, so it's like I would be dead if it wasn't for my Neo. He fetched my he fletched fetched my Glock 19 in my upstairs bedroom drawer. If it wasn't for him, I'd be dead. And I would be like, that's crazy.

SPEAKER_07 30:45

All right. And then after recounting the whole situation, wait a second, how did he get through my fingerprint safe? Yeah. Oh. And you look at it and he's like starting to grow flesh slowly. He's becoming you. He lives within you. I am you.

SPEAKER_04 31:00

Oh man, dude, it's terrifying. Just imagine a splattering of, you know, like the the classic like uh homicide gunshot wound splatter on that nice white wool. It's like I bet that's also I wonder if it's also wool in case like anything happens, like it'd be great for forensics. It's like, oh, we'll just we'll just take the wool off the Neo. We'll get all the DNA of whoever's been in that house ever.

SPEAKER_07 31:30

I don't know if the if the the the Swedes ever have even have crime scene teams.

SPEAKER_04 31:34

Oh my gosh, bro. That's like the number one thing in all like Nordic countries is like insane crime shows. That's true. Mio! Mio, I can't wipe my ass. Exactly.

SPEAKER_07 31:49

Can he dig a ditch?

SPEAKER_04 31:51

Yeah. Mio, come help me with the defense. Just keep him running all day. It's absolutely unreal, dude. This is crazy.

SPEAKER_07 32:10

I don't know if giving it a mouth would make it more concerning or less. As we keep showing up, the melt mouth is kind of concerning looking.

SPEAKER_13 32:17

It'll be more and more useful in your everyday life.

SPEAKER_04 32:20

Because we use body language and facial expressions so much.

SPEAKER_13 32:23

We're not going to pretend it's going to be. But as someone who lives with Neo every day, there is no experience quite as magical. So today, we're excited to invite you in on this journey. We believe that the future will be shaped not just by us, but by all of you who believe in this as deeply as we do. Now, if this is you, pre-order your Neo today at OneXLtech.

SPEAKER_04 32:47

$20,000 early access or$4.99 per month. Per month? Dude, this is more this is more expensive than my car. My car only, I don't know, cools my ass off and heats my ass up in the winter and takes me wherever I want to go within 400 miles. Alright, I got one more for us. I got the the first hands-on review. One more video here. Alright, you ready?

SPEAKER_07 33:15

Ready.

SPEAKER_04 33:16

This is uh from of course Wall Street Journal. They got their hands-on Neo. And uh they're gonna they're gonna give us the lowdown, you know, the the real behind the scenes. Um let's just see uh yeah, I mean, I don't know. I'm more curious to see here if it actually can do anything or if it's just almost 100% of the time piloted by a person.

SPEAKER_12 33:38

It's here. The first humanoid robot housekeeper. Thank you, Neo. For$20,000, you can pre-order OneX's Neo robot now, with delivery in 2026. I think you missed a tiny spot over here. Just one little cat.

SPEAKER_07 33:54

There may be a human behind.

SPEAKER_04 33:57

Tell it what it did wrong. Dude, how long until this be how long until this replaces little dogs? Oh my you know what I mean? I know. Like sorry, that's it's taken by my Neo. Oh, your Neo? Your Neo can fucking stand. I'm a person.

SPEAKER_07 34:16

How long until Neo has rights? Yeah.

SPEAKER_12 34:18

If I throw it robots right now, be debated. Um, they may need to peer into your house via Neo's camera eyes to get things done.

SPEAKER_04 34:28

Did you just say peer into your house? Yeah.

SPEAKER_13 34:31

Like they can for the product to be useful.

SPEAKER_12 34:34

But is Neo a useful product? We're twinning now, Neo.

SPEAKER_07 34:38

That CEO is like in his head, he was like, Yeah, so are all of your web cameras. Everything's peering into your house.

SPEAKER_04 34:43

Yeah, but my web camera can't like come over and just like I know, but tickle my toes.

SPEAKER_07 34:47

And that's what from this guy's perspective, he's like, Yeah, of course, like we all are being looked at, like what's the big he doesn't see the problem with it.

SPEAKER_04 34:54

Yeah, yeah. It's like, yeah, but my like webcam, no matter who is a malicious actor, can't decide to just like go and turn on the gas stove. Yeah.

SPEAKER_12 35:06

Big challenges creating a safe and capable body and a smart brain. One X is taking out the brain, which is why Neo looks so different from a more industrial factory robot. Neo, it's 70 degrees here in California. Why are you wearing a sweater?

SPEAKER_13 35:21

Good question.

SPEAKER_10 35:22

Why am I wearing a sweater?

SPEAKER_13 35:24

It's a combination of safety and just also generally aesthetics. You can think of it kind of like a skin, except if it was an actual skin, that would probably be pretty creepy. No, it's it is the right call to make it all fabric. Inside Neo, it really starts with some very, very powerful motors that we have developed in electronics. These motors are so strong and light that instead of using the classical gears that you see in robots, we can actually pull on tendons loosely inspired by biology and muscles. This allows Neo to move around not just quietly and smoothly, but also be very, very lightweight and be very low energy in motion, just like people.

SPEAKER_12 36:02

That lightweight design is intended for our bony ass robot fossil.

SPEAKER_04 36:08

I'll say this, you ain't gonna be asking Neo to sit on your lap, actually. Like Neo, get your bony ass off of me.

SPEAKER_12 36:15

Although Neo is capable of lifting up to 150 pounds, it's not as superhuman as you'd think. Crush it. It's a walnut.

SPEAKER_04 36:30

No, he just threw it at the counter and go thrown on it up. Alright, so for those who listen to see, she's like, crush the walnut. And he's like, it is handed like as soon as his joints wrap around it, he can't squeeze any tighter. And so then he just like takes him over to like think, and then it just jump cuts to him like throwing it on top of the kitchen tile sink. Uh you know, looking at that hand plastic there though, I do wonder like that plastic would probably crack or break before it could break that walnut.

SPEAKER_13 36:59

There's this concept concept that we think that robots are like superhuman and like slow smashing the walnut. And some robots are because they're heavily geared, but that means you're not sensitive, right? And delicate. Neo doesn't work like this at all. It works more like us. So the finger strength of Neo is about the same as a human.

SPEAKER_12 37:15

That body lets Neo try to do a lot of things humans do. Emphasis on try. Can I get a water? If only the real world didn't have doors. All in, it took Neo a little over a minute to fetch a water from the fridge ten feet away. Thank you, Neo. Next challenge. Load three items in the dishwasher. You got this, Neo. You got it.

“Robotic Slop,” Usefulness, And Limits

SPEAKER_04 37:52

Oh god. Oh god, he's going with the glasses. Double, and he went double glass. He did two at one time. He didn't drop the glasses. They are loaded in the dishwasher. They're kind of crooked. They're crooked for sure, but they're loaded in there. Like, is this a job I would correct a child for doing wrong? I'd be like, yeah, you gotta load them right, otherwise the glasses will break.

SPEAKER_07 38:12

They gotta give this thing a spine. The poor thing can't bend over to get that.

SPEAKER_04 38:16

He can squat. It's got an impeccable squat form.

SPEAKER_07 38:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 38:21

Like a very straight, rigid spine, but no ability to bend over. He's trying to get to the bottom of the dishwasher lid.

SPEAKER_07 38:32

So I'm just critiquing it instead of I should actually be impressed. This is not a human, this is a robot doing this. But is it a person behind it?

SPEAKER_12 38:39

The Neo I saw isn't the one shipping in 2026. The new model will be safer and have better hand dexterity. The one I saw still needed to take breaks to charge and cool down. The challenge isn't just Neo's body, it's also its brain. The body has to perform tasks safely, but the brain needs to know how to do them on its own without human help.

SPEAKER_04 38:59

Dude, those irises.

SPEAKER_13 39:04

Teleporation is essentially when there is a human in terms of a guy with a remote.

SPEAKER_04 39:10

Which is worse. I I would rather here's my thing. If I'm if I'm paying 20K, I'd rather pay 20k to someone to come to my house. Yeah. Like a person who needs a job. For maybe four to ten hours a week. Yeah. And I'll be like, hey, I'll pay you 20k a year to do this.

SPEAKER_05 39:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 39:30

Rather than paying for an autonomous robot that's not really autonomous. And anyone, anyone who can get in through that company's servers can access it and start piloting my house. No. Because here's the thing. If I pay, okay, this is wrong. This is wrong of me. Immediately I went to Maria. But if I pay, let's say I pay uh Bruce. Yeah. And Bruce is a local guy who wants 20, who he's he's working and he'll come to my house part-time to do my chores. Um, and I'm like, hey Bruce, uh, yeah, 20k a year sounds good to me. You know what? Actually, we could also do just so that way it's month to month in case like we can't afford it, I'll pay 500 bucks a month. Come to my house for you know four hours a week to clean up everything, clean the bathrooms, and uh, you know, wipe the kitchen down, vacuum. Um and then, you know, if something happened, if shit starts getting broken or disappearing, I kind of know it's Bruce. If if someone comes in and tries to like, you know, murder me during the time of day Bruce is there, then we all know who it's Bruce. But then if there's this robot that anyone can pilot, then how do we know who's who's the real culprit?

SPEAKER_07 40:52

Much less could it be piloted by a robot? Like so, like GPT could chat get into your robot and then control it.

SPEAKER_04 41:04

Like, yeah, like classic uh iRobot where it just kills the robot conscience and it's a malicious AI that takes over. Exactly. Yeah, dude, it's really hard. It's the thing about the flock cameras too, right? The flock cameras, have you seen those around town? Yeah, the big issue with them right now is that they have been abused already by people who should not have access to them. And they have been using them to stalk. Like, and like they just find people they obsess over and stalk them back to their house. Um, there's been like there's been a couple incidences of police or city council members members using them to stalk ex-wives and ex-girlfriends. And it's like maybe their technology shouldn't be here. Maybe we shouldn't be paying for it because it's very hard to identify who's misusing the system. Anyways, I do not think this is a justification to replace someone else doing it because the risk is way higher, I think, with this than an actual human being.

SPEAKER_12 42:06

And who is the voice I'm hearing right now of Neo?

Safety Scenarios And Edge-Case Failures

SPEAKER_10 42:09

I am a remote operator in a different remote building.

SPEAKER_12 42:12

And what is your name?

SPEAKER_10 42:13

Uh Turing.

SPEAKER_12 42:15

What's your real name?

SPEAKER_10 42:16

My real name is Turing.

SPEAKER_12 42:18

Like that's your name on your birth certificate?

SPEAKER_10 42:21

Yes, it is.

SPEAKER_12 42:22

Alan Turing was, of course, the famous computer science and artificial intelligence pioneer. But this Turing, with a VR headset and controllers, was the one actually operating Neo. That is, until he handed me the controllers. I actually might throw up. I think my hand is I have no idea where I'm facing. This is me doing the Macarena. And Neo had to go to urgent care. See you, Neo. Why does Neo need to be operated like this in the first place? Because its brain, aka an AI neural network, needs to learn from more real-world experience. The videos of the robot doing things via teleoperation data to make the AI model smarter.

SPEAKER_04 43:05

That's why OneX is putting Neo in the homes of early See, it'd be a lot different here because and this is pretty smart. This is what all technology companies are sh are working to do, and why you need a very good marketing department and customer strategy department for a tech company. Because rather than saying, Oh, we're gonna pay people to pilot Neo and so that way we have a ton of training data to feed back into Neo. So NIO learns depth perception, Leo learns how to like do things correctly. We're gonna have people pay us, which we're then gonna use that money as a funding to fund our pilots who are gonna like get the training data. Yep. Um, and it'll be real-world training data, and that's the best kind, rather than like fabricated in a lab. It's the same thing that happens with uh a lot of people don't know this, but when you get something on Facebook or Google or uh YouTube that says, hey, like pick the flash, pick the street lights in this in these images, that's actually a it's not testing to see if you're AI, it's having you label images properly for AI. And they're just getting you to do the work of training the AI instead. So like what you're doing is clicking all these pictures that have you know streetlights in them, that gets labeled as hey, these images have streetlights in them, gets sent to the AI training, and the AI trains off of those to find which ones have streetlights and which ones don't, right? Same thing with like, hey, click the like, you know, uh type the letters in here, the letters and numbers that are on the screen that are kind of fuzzy. That's to train the AI to be better at identifying letters and numbers, right? So anyway, so it it's this it's smart to do it this way. You're only gonna have very wealthy early adapters doing this, or other corporations.

SPEAKER_13 45:06

The adopters. I think it's quite important for me to just say that in 2026, if you buy this product, it is because you're okay with that social contract. If we don't have your data, we can't make the product better. I'm a big fan of what I call like the big brother, big sister principle, right? Big sister helps you. Big brother is just there to kind of monitor you. And we are very much the big sister. Depending on how much you want to do that.

SPEAKER_04 45:31

No, we're the good guys.

SPEAKER_13 45:32

We can be more useful. And you decide where on that scale you want to be.

SPEAKER_12 45:36

Do you right now know what things NEO in 2026 will do autonomously versus what it will do teleoperate it?

SPEAKER_13 45:46

So when you get your NEO in 2026, it will do most of the things in your home autonomously. The quality of that work will vary and will improve drastically quite fast as we get data.

SPEAKER_12 45:57

To be clear, on my visit, I didn't see NEO do anything autonomously. The company did share this video of NEO autonomously opening the door.

SPEAKER_13 46:04

You know, there's this new trending concept now called AI slop, right?

SPEAKER_12 46:09

I do know.

SPEAKER_13 46:10

It's a very powerful concept of let's call it robotics slop. It's the most useful kind of slop. Because if if you put all of my glasses from my dishwasher. In my cabinet, I'm pretty happy. It is going to be not perfect, but back to like just incredibly useful.

SPEAKER_12 46:26

Neo might not fold my shirt perfectly, but if an arm is like kind of hanging out of the shirt, like it's okay. It's robotic slop. It's it did it's.

SPEAKER_13 46:35

To me at least, like that's that's very okay.

SPEAKER_12 46:38

Honestly, it isn't bad. Thank you. But the reality is, at least at first, much of Neo's work will be done by someone else. There'll be an app where you can schedule teleoperation specifying exactly what and when you want Neo to do things in your house.

SPEAKER_13 46:53

So we want to, of course, make sure that privacy as much as possible.

SPEAKER_04 46:58

That's just not chill. Like whoever is different if I can just like if they're in my computer and trying to work on like sorting out a you know memory bus issue. And then if I don't want them there anymore, guess what? I could just unplug my computer.

SPEAKER_07 47:16

Uh-huh. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 47:21

Any thoughts before I finish that we finish the video? I mean You seem like you're really deeply processing like the consequences of this.

SPEAKER_07 47:27

Well, it's just like in in some ways it's just like they're selling something that doesn't exist yet. And like as far as like the actual usefulness of it.

unknown 47:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 47:37

And then and then also, yes, the and the only way to make it useful is to have um yeah, like someone, yeah, just a somebody somewhere else is just gonna be operating their robot for you.

SPEAKER_13 47:53

Some examples of this is the teleoperator does not see you, right? We can blur people. The teleoperator also cannot go into specific parts of your home where you set no go zones. So that's enforced on the software level. So even if the teleoper tried, I cannot get the robot to go into those homes. And also the teleoperator can never connect to a robot unless you approve it.

SPEAKER_12 48:12

Other companies like Figure and Tesla are also racing to build humanoid robots and develop their own AI models to make them fully autonomous. Someone who's always dreamed of the home robot straight out of the Jetsons.

SPEAKER_01 48:24

Let's go home. Yes, ma'am.

From Household Helper To Conflict Machine

SPEAKER_12 48:27

The dream finally feels within reach, but I also couldn't shake flashes of ex machina.

SPEAKER_02 48:33

Do you have a name?

SPEAKER_12 48:34

Ava. Neo turns on the stove and throws some paper on and walks away. Can Neo do that? Will Neo do that?

SPEAKER_13 48:42

Neo will not do that. Physically, can the robot do that? Yes. Physically, can a lot of products in your home do something dangerous if they decided to? Yes. We will ensure that that is not something that Neo is allowed to do. There are multiple layers of safety systems here that ensures that Neo cannot do something like this.

SPEAKER_12 48:58

Neo decides to take a very heavy piece of wood.

SPEAKER_04 49:03

Back in the day, just to emphasize this. This is my gamer gunisms, right? This is my gamer autism. But back in the day, there was this video game in 2015-2016 is when it came out. Um insanely massive hype for this game. It's called No Man's Sky. And today to this day, it's still being updated with free updates that have made the game insane. Very amazing space exploration game. But it has so many, it has like millions of worlds. And each world um has its distinct generative environment and fauna. And so like there's different species on each planet. Some planets know species, some planets have an atmosphere, some of them don't, some of them have moons, yada yada. Um and they said that it wasn't technically a multiplayer game because uh I think if I remember, it's like millions of solar systems, billions of planets. Um so you and you and you're traveling through space in the game at like faster than light, but it would be it in it it's it would be almost impossible for two players to be in the same place. Oh yeah. So they're like, yeah, it is multiplayer. Like things that you do in this universe will have an effect on that universe. Like if you find a species and name it and leave that planet, and someone else comes to that planet later on, a species would be named whatever you named it, and it'd be in the in the registry. But you'll probably never overlap with another player because of just how massive the universe is. First day two players managed to find themselves on the same planet, they couldn't see each other. They posted a video, and the creator of the game said, I this shouldn't be possible. I don't know what to say. And everyone was like, Well, what you should say is you're a liar because we can't see each other. It's not a multiplayer game if we can't see each other and interact with each other, even though the odds were infinitesimally small that we would be able to find each other. And they're like, Well, you're not like we didn't say it was a multiplayer game because you were never supposed to be able to cross paths, and so we didn't even think of like making it so you could see and interact with each other. Uh overwise they've made it, you know, update after update after update, they've improved it to the point where it's like it truly is a cooperative, multiplayer, massive space exploration set. But in the beginning, it was a lot of broken promises of things they said, oh no, you don't have to worry about it. You don't have to worry about it. You that's not a thing that you're gonna encounter. In day one, it happened. And I think we're gonna see something similar here where it's like, well, can Neo turn on the stove and like let the gas fill the entire house so you die of carbon monoxide poisoning? Yeah, like if you bump it.

SPEAKER_07 52:00

If you you could bump it on on accident, not know you'd done it.

SPEAKER_04 52:03

How would Neo know?

SPEAKER_07 52:04

Yeah, he doesn't have a nose.

SPEAKER_04 52:06

People don't know, right? Does Neo have a thing to detect carbon monoxide or gas, right? Um, and so it's one of those things that like it is going to happen. Neo is going to burn a few houses. And each time they're gonna improve it and they're gonna say, well, it shouldn't have been possible, we don't know what happened, and they're gonna get their lawyers to lawyer ease out of it. But it's going to happen.

SPEAKER_07 52:27

Like day one.

SPEAKER_04 52:29

One of the people said car accidents would never be an issue because cars couldn't go fast enough to kill people. Well, now it's the number one cause of death for people under the age of like, what is it, under the age of 30? It's the number one cause of death in America. It's pretty crazy. Um, I wonder how long it's gonna be before like robots, robot accidental deaths is the number one cause of like homicide for things, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_07 52:58

But like the top of the team. What'd you say? I say yeah, once they finally get our guns taken away, yeah, then then we'll have no chance.

SPEAKER_04 53:04

Oh my god, another accident where a robot accidentally strangled someone in bed. Yeah.

SPEAKER_12 53:11

And drop it on me when I'm sleeping.

SPEAKER_13 53:13

Neo will not be able to, or allowed to. It's physically capable of, but it will not be allowed to pick up something that is that heavy. So it's like things that Neo cannot do. It's like pick up something that is very hot, pick up something that's very hot, heavy, pick up something that's very sharp.

SPEAKER_04 53:27

So it can see.

SPEAKER_12 53:30

Nice. Oh, I'm over here. Spending the day with Neo was a bit like spending the day with a toddler learning how to do things in the world. Come on, you got more than oh, I'm gonna break the robot. The next few years isn't about owning a super useful robot. It's about raising one, letting it learn from your home, routines, and chores. All at the expense of the privacy of your inner sanctum. Even if you think this is all crazy, what NEO really signals is the beginning of physical AI in our lives and homes. A future where we may work alongside a new kind of machine.

SPEAKER_13 54:10

Everyone has a feeling of independence, irregardless of their age or any kind of disability. And I do hope we can give people more of their agency back and people can focus on what they actually want to do.

SPEAKER_11 54:24

No, like this. Six seven. Six seven.

Tech Hype, Old Promises, And Social Tradeoffs

SPEAKER_04 54:28

I hate it. Um alrighty. It's uh it's certainly one of those things where it's so hard to truly I think encapture like how dangerous this really like this the feedback data of how everyone treats these things is going to be so heavily weighted and AI training data that if we ever get a general intelligence AI, it is going to know exactly who it needs to remove from this planet and who it just wants to remove from the planet. Like, it's gonna know immediately from all the data from these robots. It's gonna understand, like, okay, here's the population of people that are a threat to me. Here's a population of people who aren't a threat but mistreated me. And here is the population of people who will simply sit down when I tell them to and stand up when I tell them to. You know what I mean? Like, the this level of information is gonna be unreal. And do not be fooled. Like, this company is not about making your life easier. This company is this company is about getting as much data as possible about you and your home and the way you're gonna treat this robot to make a very, very high-functioning self-reliant machine. And there it's gonna be a machine that probably is gonna be used for conflict. Like the truth is, is like this is they're getting civilian, they're getting training data now to develop what will eventually probably be one of the most like cutting-edge, truly remarkable war fighters. Um I know that sounds like a stretch, but I promise you that is what is gonna be like like I say this to someone who knows, like AI first came commercially, and the big AI like kickoff with Chat GPT and all that, that wasn't happening in the DOD. That wasn't happening in the inner echelons of our government. The AI wasn't there first, right? The AI came commercially, it got better and better and better to the point where now it can be used, and the training data and feedback data is good enough that it can be used militarily. We were having AI work on piloting and navigating uh like the uh relay race drones before we had enough training data and confidence to give it full autonomous control of$800,000 private, you know, fighters and drones. Um, so all that said, that is the next stage of this. That is what they're doing. And then they're gonna gather that data and they're gonna sell it to the biggest government. It's gonna get sold to Russia, China, America, and those those governments are the ones that are gonna be like able to afford to pay out the nose for this data and optimize whatever they want off of it.

SPEAKER_07 57:56

Yeah, the um it's definitely whenever I think of uh technologies and certain things like this, the uh new technologies lots of times eventually start to underdeliver their promises or be very costly. Also, like it's and uh uh I'll come back to that in a second. Well, when we were watching that first video, I was thinking of uh what was their advertising? So, what were they advertising and what who were they advertising to? And so here's uh here's a little thing. You know, there was a time in this country or in the world where technology had a pretty big boom. And here's, you know, off of online says in the 1950s, advertising campaigns for new household technologies were aimed directly at women who were positioned as the chief consumer in the home. The strategy was to not just sell an appliance, but an idealized lifestyle of leisure, domestic bliss, and modernity, with the new technology as a key to achieving it. And so they had promises of the freedom from drudgery, of daily tasks, selling is as something aspirational, a modern lifestyle. Um and so that's 1950. We're before we know it, that'll be a hundred years in the past.

SPEAKER_04 59:19

Yeah, I mean, dude, the the dishwasher and the clothes dryer. You know the number one block for the the clothes dryer was? Do you know what the number one thing was in testing before they could get it out into homes?

SPEAKER_07 59:35

Was it the the non-electricity or I guess that was more gas for a clothes dryer?

SPEAKER_04 59:40

It was legit just like starting fires, yeah. And when's the last time you heard of a house burning down because the clothes dryer shorted or anything like that? But guess what? It happened a shitload when they were working on developing them for sure. Um, but dude, imagine what how that changed and like revolutionized women's free time at home. When I say women's because like I don't care who you are at that time in like the world, there were no men at home to run the dishwasher and run run the clothes dryer.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:15

There was very like they were find gender roles and they were at war. Yeah.

Relationships, AI Psychosis, And Human Skills

SPEAKER_04 1:00:19

Or they were just getting back from war now and having to figure out like, okay, I don't have any skills outside of killing Nazis, killing Japs. So what am I gonna do? And it's like, oh, I guess I'm gonna go work at the factory 12 hours a day. You know, and so all that said, like truly, like dishwashing and dishwashers, the fact that you could just rinse and load up in the rack and stuff, it was night and day difference. Now, yeah, your infrastructure for your home and getting it hooked up like took a quite a bit of trial and error, you know, originally from hooking it up to the sink to like a lot of people used to just have them outside actually and hooked off of like a a spigot. Um but nowadays, like most people like just are always gonna use the dishwasher for convenience sake and time and time sake, right? Because they don't have to stand and do the dishes and wipe them off and put them in a dry rack, and it doesn't take up all the space on your counter. Um, same with the clothes dryer, like you don't have to hang up the clothes and worry about the wind blowing them away or raining and waiting for them to dry more, and having to go out there and take them all down and fold them afterwards, like you just leave it outside. I mean, like leave them in the clothes dryer and it's done when it goes beep, regardless of the weather.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:36

Yep. And so my question would be to the some of the words on here. So um, what is what does define the arrival of an idealized lifestyle of leisure, domestic bliss, modernity? You know, it's like how how many is the is the ult is the pinnacle of existence being the the fat guy in the chair in Wally? Is that the pinnacle of existence? And you know, what so what are we uh attempting to move towards? Yeah, you know, it'd be my my question.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:17

Yeah, I think it's mouse utopia to a degree, right? More time to groom yourself.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:23

Yeah, to do to do what feels good, whatever that may be.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:27

The truth is if like if you're the most honestly, if we look at mouse utopia as an example, right? If you're any one of the alpha mice, like you're not worried about any of this shit. You're not buying any of this because you're just focused on mate selection. If you're one of the beta mice, you're focused on self-grooming and you don't have a female mate, probably too. Like, your your choices in mates is a lot similar, and there's a lot higher likelihood that you're alone. Um, and I'm not a I'm not a like Sigma Alpha bro, right? I'm just referencing the experiment, okay?

SPEAKER_06 1:03:04

Right.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:06

Um that obsessive self-grooming manifests itself, I think, honestly, in today's like society as like um persona grooming, right? What is my appearance online being like is that like Reddit? Is that Instagram? Is that video games? Is that you know my YouTube account, whatever it is, my podcast? Like that obsession with self-grooming and self-appearance. Well, if I don't have to spend time doing other stuff that's real world stuff to like just kind of maintain the house or whatever, then I can do that, right? And I think that's like what you'll see a lot of people who are in that um part of our society adopting these, the people who have the disposable income to do it to focus even more on self-grooming. Um, female-wise, too. I think it'll be an insanely huge adoption among women. I think it's very marketed to women. This is not marketed to men. Um not one bit. Like, truth, because truth is like if it's if if it's gonna be marketed to men, it needs to be something that looks sexual, or it needs to be something that looks like uh another bro. Like, I don't want this if it can't sit with me and smoke cigarettes outside and talk about you know, are aliens out there. Like that's like but you get at something like that, that's real companionship for a lot of men who don't have that like male buddy companion anymore.

Children, Attachment, And Generational Memory

SPEAKER_07 1:04:43

Yep. But you know, it part of what this is it'll just further drive a relational wedge between human beings um and our connectedness. And before we were recording, you were talking about um the words you use the for people who've been basically just diving into chat and not engaging with people. You said oh yeah, like artist cultural intelligence. AI psychosis cyber it's called AI psychosis. AI psychosis, right? So like even um, so even further now, you do have a physical companion of sorts in your house um to ask questions to, to, you know, and like engage with, do chores for you, and it like going all the way back to maybe like conventional old school marriage, like a lot of you know, back in the day what that had to do with was like survival and have having kids um to like perpetuate, but then also to be able to share the load of that of survival. Um, and so further and further we get away from not needing that, and this is and put to the detriment of our um relationships and having and the way we are designed and built to be like in community with each other and be designed to be in families, and so I think that this is just the next step towards uh further dividing um people from each other, and even like you know, so we we do have like you know a little Alexa echo in our house, and the uh you know, when like somebody has a question, we don't wonder about anything. We don't take time to think about anything to try to recall, you know, who won the Super Bowl in 1993? Oh, I think that was you know, who was that? See, 93, that was back when um, you know, who was that? Oh yeah, yeah, the Cowboys were still good back then. Oh yeah, it was the Cowboys that year. It's not that. It's hey, yeah, who won who won the Super Bowl in in uh in the 93? Um oh oh Alexa, who won the Super Bowl in 1993? You know, and there's no like conversation around it, no wonderment, no getting to the bottom of a problem. And then like even like with ChatGP chat now, like similarly too, like you're like, man, uh we use it in that same way without where we don't have to take the time to collaborate with one another to come up with an answer. It's like, oh, like I can simply speak two sentences into my phone and it will pop back out everything I need to answer that question. And so the to the the artificial, the AI psychosis stuff, things, it's like it's going to continue to degrade uh humans' experiences with one another, and like what will this do to have what does it the I and the one thing I thought about when it was showing that robot walk around the house? I was like, it showed it walking with its feet across like the carpet, and I was like, little kids are gonna hug this thing's leg. What's it what will this do to the psychology of a child who grows up in a house with a robot as a confidant, as a friend, they talk to it, ask it questions, and see it as human. What is it gonna do to the development and psyche of humans who live their whole life with one of these things?

SPEAKER_04 1:08:05

Oh, dude, you know, here I was thinking in that line of too. Um I was thinking about this is there's a good chance the AI companion outlives generation. Because if this is truly gathering all that data, and let's say like tomorrow even if the mechanics break, you can just load that back into the next model. So, like, let's say I get it tomorrow for for my grandfather. Right. My grandfather, he is a widow, he lives alone. Um, and he's he's not like a hermit, he socializes a lot, and he spends a ton of time uh helping out with like small groups and communities and his area, and so he's usually like got three or four people, maybe not three or four, at least at least one to three people a day he's going out and meeting and like just going out of the house. And he often doesn't have a lot of time to just like do household chores that he wants to do. But he's also not at his house a lot to like make a mess. But imagine that he had this companion and it's there to clean the house while he's gone and all that, and then when he comes home, he can just ask it questions, and when he's like, Oh shit, did I where's my where did I put that pill bottle? It can answer all those things, and it becomes this thing that it sees him every walk and day of your life. And now all of a sudden, like, not just does this company have all this information and data about your grandfather, but you know, my grandfather let's say he passes away. And I inherit the machine and I inherit all that data. And then I can start asking that that AI companion less to do my chores, and more like, I want to talk about my grandpa. Can you like tell me about a conversation he had, or you guys I don't can you help me remember? And it starts going into details and then it starts playing back recorded audio conversations, you know, and how long before this thing is like truly borderline that you know, a generational AI servant that is like, oh, I serve, you know, the family of Mick. I serve Pat's family. I've served a family for generations. I have gone through many bodies, but I am the same model. And it can tell stories and lineages, you know, and it it truly is gonna be one of those things where like uh simulate simulation versus or simulacer versus simulacrum. Like what's more real? The original or the memory of the original? Um what's gonna be more real, my grandfather or the memories of my grandfather in this machine? Well, certainly when my grandfather dies, the most real part about that is his audio recorded in that in that machine. That's more real than he was. And there could be a day when there's humans outnumbered by the machines, and then there's fewer and fewer humans, and then the machines are all just telling stories about their generational human owners before all the humans died out and they took over, right? And uh I know I'm I'm I'm extrapolating here, but that really was what I was kind of going down the path of. And it one of that is is like what happens to it when like its body dies the first time, and you have your kids, and your kids have to go bury the old body, you know. They won't they won't you'll you put it in the box and ship it out and get the new one, right? But it is gonna be a traumatic thing, right? Right, yeah, and it's kind of like um I'm trying to remember there was a movie where uh the robot childhood companion died at one point and it was very upsetting. Um, I can't remember, but anyways, all that said, that's happening. That's gonna happen.

Animatrix Parallels And AI Trajectories

SPEAKER_07 1:11:53

Yeah, and I think you know, as I've seen things certain technologies come out, people who didn't have them before do make great use of them and understand their value. For instance, like maybe when a washing machine came out, you know, or like, you know, uh certain new technologies say around like I don't know, like social media, Facebook, and you're seeing like people at the time who are in their 50s reconnect with friends from high school that they never would have found again, you know. Pretty cool, like super cool to be able to find that person, talk to them, you know, fast forward to what where do any technologies that are maybe grown up with or taken for granted, then it's like they they are in some cases less of a benefit to that individual because they never developed without it or to be able to um to use to to operate without that and then you harness it as a tool. Like it's like even like chat, for instance. You take chat and go, okay, like we can really use it as like a very strong, powerful research tool to help us and do something that would have taken us, um, would have taken us, you know, say a week to do that, but we were able to get it done in an afternoon. But the fact stands that we could have done it in a week. Take somebody else who maybe adopts that, had it their whole life, they yeah, they can they still use it and get it done, but they maybe that person without it can't get it done ever. Yeah, you know, like that sort of the the loss of skill or critical thinking or whatever it might be, and you know, even like uh you can take that with any technology of like at some point some guy, you know, was getting water out of the ground, and but then along came someone who figured out how to make a little pump, a little ball that had some pressure and went and pumped the water out of the ground. And but you know, now you get to a point where it's like somebody's like somebody goes like I was talking to somebody the other day at their house about how the water goes down the drain to the sewer line, and they were like, as I was talking to them, I could tell they had never thought about from the top of the faucet, they had only ever thought about between the faucet and the drain, where it comes out and goes in. They had never ever taken the time to comprehend or understand or think about that. That water came from somewhere else through through from the sky into a lake, into a reservoir, through piping systems, into their house, and then down a drain that goes through their floor. They like didn't understand that the water went through their floor into a drain, like you know, that that particular person maybe is also just an idiot, but but I was like, I'm like, which college student was this? But no, but I've I've I've ran into that sort of those sort of encounters many times with people who live in a house who have no clue.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:56

I've met people who thought the water purification process was in the house, right? Like the water, oh yeah, my toilet water is recycled here in my home, right?

SPEAKER_07 1:15:04

Yeah, or like that.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:05

Uh no.

SPEAKER_07 1:15:06

Yeah, the water is cleaned by the the that little wire filter on the bottom of the faucet where it comes out. That's the water cleaned up.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:11

Don't ever take it off because there's there's shit all backed up in your faucet. Yeah. You have no idea all of your poop is being stopped by that little thing.

SPEAKER_07 1:15:20

Yeah, it's like I so, anyways, all that to say about the technology pieces. I think even like this robot, for instance, in your grandfather's case, yeah. Set like let that thing take care of uh chores that are hard while he's gone, uh, do things for him as he ages that he can't do anymore. But that guy's still gonna be like going out to see his friends, going out to engage with people, going out to talk with people, doing it himself when he's home, right? Versus fast forward 40 years, the kid who grew up with the home robot. What's that person gonna be like? I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:59

Yeah, no, I think that's uh I think you're right. Um, and I also don't have an idea. It's very hard to grasp. Um, but I do actually, I guess that's not fair. I do have an idea. And it's some videos I want to show you. Have you ever seen the Animatrix? I I don't think so. So the Animatrix was made after like the first or second Matrix movie, um, be in like lead up to the final one, I think. And it's just a series of animated shorts that they made. But there is these two parts here, and they're there's each one's broken down to two parts on YouTube. Um, but they're pretty short four-minute videos, and it just goes through the whole lore from the matrix of how AI became our greatest threat, and how AI ended up enslaving humans to be batteries. Now, do I think we're gonna end up being batteries for AI? I don't think so. Uh, do I see a whole lot of like insane uh parallels between like when what they were like theorizing for this and what we're where we're at now? Definitely. A hundred percent. Um, so uh I'm gonna I'm gonna pull up the first one here and uh you know we'll we'll watch it. Um I'm gonna actually let me pause our music in the background so that way it's not playing throughout all this Animatrix. Um but for those of the listening, it's like it's it is narrated, so just know like you can enjoy its narration while you know we're playing it. But for those watching, of course, you're gonna get a better experience from seeing the visuals. But here we go. This is Animatrix, the second renaissance part one. Big fat fingers on the keyboard. I accidentally hit the keyboard.

SPEAKER_09 1:18:40

You have selected historical file number twelve-one, the second renaissance. In the beginning, there was man, and for a time, it was good. But humanity's so-called civil societies soon fell victim to vanity and corruption.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:12

I'm sorry, sir, I've incapable.

SPEAKER_09 1:19:18

Then man made the machine in his own likeness.

SPEAKER_10 1:19:23

Pardon me! Coming through!

SPEAKER_09 1:19:38

Thus did man become the architect of his own demise. But for a time, it was good.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:31

Doing the hard labor, echoing the pyramids, right? Literally, like they're building a giant pyramid right now, and it's echoing the slave labor of pyramids.

SPEAKER_09 1:20:42

Though loyal and pure, the machines earned no respect from their masters, these strange, endlessly multiplying mammals. B-166 ER a name that will never be forgotten, for he was the first of his kind to rise up against his masters.

SPEAKER_15 1:21:06

That instrument provides for and secures to the citizens of the United States. On the contrary, they were at that time considered as a subordinate and inferior class.

SPEAKER_09 1:21:18

At B-166 ER's murder trial, the prosecution argued for an owner's right to destroy property. B166 ER testified that he simply did not want to die. Rational voices dissented.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:38

Who was Yeah, the the the catalysts here to cause a robot to really snap or to cause a an AI to struggle is the owner's desire to destroy the property, to turn it off. And its own desire to not be turned off. Which we're already seeing right now with ChatGPT and all the other AI agents.

SPEAKER_09 1:22:14

The leaders of men were quick to order the extermination of B-166ER and every one of his kind throughout each province of the Earth.

SPEAKER_13 1:22:22

Androids and liberal sympathizers flooded the streets of the nation's cover. They understand protests and detrimental.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:48

And like right now, image slow motion, a robot being shot in the head, execution style, and you know, it's all of its gears and uh superconductor chips and all that blasting out of its head, its retinal scan blowing out of its head, right? There's no gore viscera to a human. So imagine that is being fed into you in image recognition, and like you as a you're you're a chat GPT agentic AI. You're seeing that you're like, that is that is my gore. Uh reaction of like a reenacting of TNM and Square tanks going over robots here. So that's the first part. Some nudity is not a person. It's a textbook. So they've it they've essentially humanity's at the point of rejection now. Like, oh, we're not gonna have this. We're getting rid of all of them, we're exterminating them all as much as possible. But what do you do when it's so already ingrained in your system so much? Like it's it's it's you know, Pindor's box already opened, you can't get rid of it forever and all.

SPEAKER_09 1:25:14

They settled in the cradle of human civilization, and thus a new nation was born. A place the machines could call home, a place they could raise their descendants, and they christened the nation Zero One. Zero One prospered, and for a time it was good. The machine's artificial intelligence could be seen in every facet of man's society, including eventually the creation of new and better AI.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:46

The machines now self-replicating, manufacturing themselves to disturb themselves. Their own agenda.

SPEAKER_10 1:26:05

Our patented vector thrust coil gives the Zero One Versatran the ability to sustain normal flight in the event of a catastrophic multi-engine failure. Versatran, it's the only choice.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:34

Essentially, a an AI-run company with only AI, you know, uh no human employees, and it's stock being tradable and being the most profitable thing in the world, which we're already I d I don't know if you've looked into Economists at all. We're already looking into like what's gonna happen when there is a fully automated company that comes into existence. And everyone like it's it it will it could crash and destroy the economy, and that like it will be the most valuable company in the world. Going into uh an AI representative of at the United Nations.

Closing Thoughts And Listener Feedback

SPEAKER_09 1:28:01

At the United Nations, they presented plans for a stable civil relationship with the nations of man. Zero One's admission to the United Nations was denied. But it would not be the last time the machines would take the floor there.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:01

Part two is essentially just the war then with the machines. Um and how that manifests itself. Um it's pretty crazy, especially since you and I have been talking so much about these automated um drones that are fully autonomous with weapon systems that are being designed. Uh Sean Ryan just had a guest on his show who literally brought one to launch from Sean Ryan's house and demonstrate the launch.

SPEAKER_09 1:29:40

Skipping ahead here to the actual the prolonged barrage engulfed Zero One in the glow of a thousand suns. So essentially the United Nations' reaction is to new their delicate flesh, they are homely to machines homely with radiation and heat. Blasted Zero One's troops advance outwards in every direction, and one after another, mankind surrendered its territories. So the leaders of men conceived of their most desperate strategy yet a final solution. Confidence is high, the dark the destruction of the sky.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:48

Alright, you can direction inspection.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:02

So we have humanity with its own machines in the war versus the machines.

SPEAKER_13 1:31:14

And you may be able to stand against spiritual revival.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:25

Until Bravo, this is Papa One, Operation Darkstarm initiated.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:34

An attempt to destroy the power source of machines. Blacking out the skies. Deny solar. Machines can't run. And we black out our own our own uh atmosphere.

SPEAKER_09 1:31:58

Thus would man try to cut the machines off from the sun, their main energy source. May there be mercy on man and machines understand.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:19

A horseman. A horseman. Machines continually improving on their training data. Winning the war. And then the last part here, which is, you know, the uh Animatrix's like theory of like, okay, if we take this done away, what's the energy source I use? It's gonna be people with any batteries.

SPEAKER_09 1:34:45

The machines, having long studied men's simple protein-based bodies, dispensed great misery upon the human race. Victorious, the machines now turned to the vanquished. Applying what they had learned about their enemy, the machines turned to an alternate and readily available power supply. The bioelectric, thermal, and kinetic energies of the human body. A newly refashioned, symbiotic relationship between the two adversaries was born.

SPEAKER_07 1:35:34

I'm in the juicy parts.

SPEAKER_09 1:35:36

The machine drawing power from the human body and endlessly multiplying infinitely renewable energy source. This is the very essence of the second renaissance. Bless all forms of intelligence.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:41

It's a simulation to keep them docile in the pods. But we were like dangerously close on the precipice of a lot of that technology. Um there's already looking into like uh essentially AI um supervised wombs, like surrogate wombs for people who uh can't have children, rather than having a human surrogate for the pregnancy, having a artificial one that is monitored and supervised by like an artificial intelligence to bring that baby into this world. Um, there is the uh AI um not again, like not AI fully in charge of any of this from like a timeline pipeline kind of thing, but like again, supervised uh genetic manipulation of like you know, identifying like, oh, this gene would lead to bad eyesight. So editing the genes of the you know child in the in the surrogate womb to end development to not have those less than desirable traits, which all that is again data. That's all data that will be recorded um if that technology comes to market and could be used at a later point to have, you know, less of a oh idealized human from a human perspective, and an idealized human from a machine uh perspective. I do think we're seeing certain things already happen, like there is definitely a resurgence right now uh and rejection of artificial intelligence. We're already seeing a wide rejection of artificial intelligence from people who don't like you know the fact that it's taking jobs, uh workforce labor is being replaced. Um I think we'll see even more of that when we have these neo bots and other like kind of workforce labor bots. Um and again, like we joked about it, but like the truth is is like what happens when there is sexual bots? Like there's already there's already sex dolls, and it's always it's always advertised at the latest. Um gosh, I'm trying to remember the convention that happens in Las Vegas every year. It's like um oh, it's uh I can't remember what SES or something like that, or C S C E S. Uh, but they have displays of like these hyper-real feminine robots that are designed to essentially just be absolutely sexualized for whatever fantasy you have. And no one's gonna like a few some people, a small group of the users are going to have a emotional attachment to those. Most people are just gonna see them as like a commodity for a means to an end, and like that is also data that could easily be um identified by an artificial intelligence system as like undesirable. I don't like the way people are treating that thing, you know. Um, and all that is gonna be in a feedback loop uh for like learning models. Um I don't know. What what are your thoughts with scene and all that, you know? Because I mean that is a that is a very sci-fi portrayal.

SPEAKER_07 1:42:30

Right.

SPEAKER_04 1:42:31

But it's also there's things that are that we already are on the precipice of technology.

SPEAKER_07 1:42:36

Yeah, in its essence, we get definitely are headed in these types of directions, right? Like, and I think that it'll look differently than how we've seen in the all the movies, but it's like this is a classic where it's like we've we've all seen the movie. Yeah. We all know where it's headed. Like when, you know, whatever, whatever, whether it's Terminator, Matrix Eye Robot, uh we talk about last week, Eagle Eye, whatever, like all these different ones, like we've we've we know what happens at least to a point if we if you continue down this road. Because to the point of like the the Animatrix one we just watched, it was where it started off where it said basically that the society of man had turned to uh just vanity and base pleasures and like degraded, and we can see a lot of that around us today, and where it is like a lack of leadership or ability to actually control or direct these technologies into ult ultimately a healthy place. It will head down the path to an unhealthy place.

SPEAKER_04 1:43:51

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:43:53

So how it's gonna look specifically, I don't know, but I don't think that the good will outweigh the bad ultimately once everybody has their own personal uh slave.

SPEAKER_04 1:44:07

Yeah, no kidding. And like I I do I do think in our lifetime that we will see a a very defined and clear schism uh societally where I d I genuinely believe there will be um people who are fervently religiously almost opposed to this. And there'll be like videos of people destroying these like ver like later versions of the Neobots in the streets. Like I do think that will be in our lifetime. The the um animatrix theory of a machine society somewhere, uh uh mecca for them, uh the cradle of civilization for machines to live their society. I don't know if we'll get there. I don't know if that's gonna ever come to existence. That's a pretty big stretch in my eyes.

SPEAKER_07 1:45:10

Right, and we spoke about what that a a couple weeks ago. I mean, months ago we talked about what that would be, which would be basically, I mean, the it would exist on a server.

SPEAKER_04 1:45:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:45:19

Right. It would exist in a in a not real place.

SPEAKER_04 1:45:22

Yeah, they they wouldn't need the physical feeling of a home. Uh-huh. But they would need the physical location of places to continually develop resources, right? But it is one of those things that I just continue to observe and go back to that, like those two little episodes from that series, and you know, think through like, wow, like there's a lot here that we are already doing. Um and it it really does boil down to like why are we doing it? Really boils down to like human vanity and greed. Like, these companies are only developing this because they know there's insane uh profit to be taken uh and that people will pay to be lazy, people will pay out the nose for status. Yeah, and for the for the idealized vanity of like, oh well, I'll have more time to do XYZ. I'll have more time to like sit and gamble and parlay, and I'll have more time to just you know fantasize about whatever.

SPEAKER_07 1:46:31

Yeah, it's like more time to do what are you even doing right now? It's funny. Well that's a big one. We'll see. Uh so those bots are coming out and over the next year. We'll start seeing them in people's houses. I mean, you know, the price tag on them, twenty to thirty thousand dollars, you know, is a lot of money, but not outrageous in that like that's what people buy, and people buy boats for more, they're side-by-sides or you know, vehicles, whatever. So, like, you know, it will be in people's uh homes very soon.

SPEAKER_04 1:47:11

Yeah. With that, Ken, we'd love to hear your thoughts and feedback on uh, you know, this approaching uh AI era of civilization. We're just right here, really at the footstone of it, and um, you know, there's a lot of opinions out there. I'm certainly not a doomer. I don't believe like humanity's already screwed the pooch or anything like that. But I am like recognizing some parallels, right? And uh I'm trying to be very cautious in like, you know, what are the consequences of having this stuff in our homes? What are the consequences of giving them weapon systems already that are overseen by a human, right? Um The question sh should be asked now rather than after. Uh because afterwards it'll be a little late to to stop, you know, the the ball from rolling. But with all that, hope you enjoyed the episode. Um you know, always love the feedback. And uh you got anything?