IDUG Db2 Table Talk
IDUG Db2 Table Talk
IDUG #EMEA25 Preview: A Panel Discussion
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In this special edition of IDUG Db2 Table Talk, Julia and Marcus chat with a group of attendees who are relatively new to the IDUG EMEA Db2 Tech Conference, with varied levels of professional experience. The panel share insights about key conference benefits that will help justify management approval for attendance, plus easy ways to plan ahead and secure space in special sessions and events. They also reveal where the magic happens (and what the magic is!) that makes in-person attendance a must.
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Hi everyone. Thanks for joining us for this series of iDug Podcasts, where we speak to some great people in the DB2 community. I'm Marcus Gavage.
SPEAKER_02And I'm Julia Carter, and we represent the iDug Content Committee. We hope you enjoy today's edition.
SPEAKER_07Hi listeners, uh this is a special edition of the iDug DB2 Table Talk because we are now recording this in July of 2025, and in a few months' time we're looking forward to joining the rest of the DB2 community across Europe in the iDug EMIA conference in Düsseldorf in October 2025. So we thought we'd interview uh a few first timers or a few timers, and just to give everybody their uh an opportunity to talk about IDUG and their impressions. So I'm going to kick off by handing over to Soledad Martinez, who will tell us a little bit about herself and uh her impressions of IDAG.
SPEAKER_05Okay. Uh yeah, I'm Soledad Martinez, I'm Educate Studios, the north of Spain. I work at Volkswagen Group Services. My short name is Sole, I know it's a funny name, but it's my name. I'm really happy and honored of being here. Thank you for having me. I have attended uh four iDux, two virtual and two on-site. Uh yes, I think I'm interested to share with everybody.
SPEAKER_02We're very happy to have you here. Thank you for joining us. Nathan, would you like to go next?
SPEAKER_00Yes, please. Um hi everybody, my name is Nathan. Um, I live in Ghent in Belgium, and I recently started working for Corrid Group uh as a uh system DBA. I recently switched roles from an ADBA to a system dBA. Um I've just been working about two years on mainframe, so yeah, I only joined uh one IDEC, the one in Valencia last year in October. Um, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Great, thank you. Okay, and Eddie.
SPEAKER_01Thanks, Julia. My name's Eddie Rowe. Um I work at IBM. Um, my role at IBM is a mainframe data and AI uh software specialist. And I joined IBM as a degree apprentice. That means I do one day a week at university and then four days a week working at IBM.
SPEAKER_02Brilliant. Good to have you here. Rahul, would you want to go next?
SPEAKER_06Yeah, sure. Um so hi everyone, I'm Rahul. I'm working with the product development team for Broadcom DB2 Tools. And I'm based in Prague. I've attended a few iDAG uh conferences, uh, and the my last one was iDug India this year. And I'm always amazed uh by the range of attendees uh from long-term DB2 experts to fresh graduates, uh, who've always uh bringing the fresh perspective into the mainframe world and the DB2 world, of course. So looking forward to this forecast.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, thank you very much. And Elitsa?
SPEAKER_03Hi, my name is Elitsa Popova. The accent you hear is Bulgarian. I've been living in the UK for 20 years now. I joined BMC four years ago, and now I am a DB2 administrator. I also look after Rakev. I've been on IDAC once when I was a fresher, so I I can't really tell you much, but for me everything was too advanced as a trainee, and I believe in the next one, my next visit, have a more comfortable. Great. That's it for me.
SPEAKER_02Good to have you here.
SPEAKER_07My first question I would like to ask, I'll ask Nathan, what's your overall impression of the in-person conference you attended?
SPEAKER_00It was quite a lot to take in. I didn't, well, for starters, uh, expect it to be as big and as many people uh that attended the conference because yeah, I have quite a lot of friends who also work in IT, and I'm the guy who works in a very niche industry on mainframe and on DB2. So pretty much every time I talk, nobody understands me, or when they talk, I don't understand them. So that yeah, usually it feels quite lonely in the IT space around me. But it felt great seeing and hearing so many people who are like-minded uh or worked in the same branch as me. That was that was really nice to see.
SPEAKER_07Excellent. How about Belitzer? So it's a it was a few years ago that your first uh I Doug, was it in Edinburgh?
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
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SPEAKER_07So what what were your impressions? You said you thought it was a bit uh overwhelming.
SPEAKER_03For a trainee. Well, my first impression to be honest, was like uh everyone was highly professional. There were a couple of sessions that lasted like two hours without a break. That was really shocking, especially for a trainee. But overall, yeah, yeah. I learned a couple of things, but left me very it left me very satisfied looking forward for the next one.
SPEAKER_02And and Nathan, um, we put you on the spot a bit in your first conference because we saw that you were speaking, we saw you on the agenda for Valencia last year, and uh we were doing a live podcast in the conference, and we we managed to convince you somehow to come and talk to us. And it was it was really incredible to to have you on stage um at in the conference with quite a lot of people in the room, um, sharing your initial experiences and what what you were taking from the conference and and also giving because you were presenting as well. Uh, how how was that side of it for for you? Someone's new and everybody wants to talk to you. How how was that?
SPEAKER_00Very strange because you have people that are so famous in the world of DB2. I'm talking Kurt, I'm talking John Campbell, etc. Those are people that everybody knows, and then I'm only hearing those people speak for the first time. And then you have a lot of people that come up to me, somebody who's still completely new in the world of DB2. Yeah, it was it was a pleasure, but also quite bizarre that people were generally interested in in my perspective as a as a trainee, as a newcomer to the to the world of DB2. But yeah, it was quite fun, and I hope the people that I got to have a chat with could also take a few things away from that that they could apply at their companies when it comes to training you guys. That's the most important thing. That was my main mission.
SPEAKER_02I think everybody knows that we can all learn something from everybody else. So, and different levels of experience bring different things. Um, and so I think it's still really, really valuable to hear from people that have less experience because there's lots of things that we can improve based on on the feedback that that younger or less experienced people provide. So I think uh that's probably why you may have felt a bit hounded, but in in a loving way.
SPEAKER_00It was worth it. I'm not used to standing in the spotlight, but for that week it was uh well worth it.
SPEAKER_02Great. Well, thank you, thank you for sharing your your experiences. Um Eddie, what was your overall impression of of the the iDug that you went to? Was were you also at Edinburgh?
SPEAKER_01I was not at Edinburgh. I think that might have been just before I I joined IBM. Um so yeah, the first iDog I attended was in 2023 in Prague. Um good. And during uh when I attended that, I uh actually did a a course for the week, um, which was DB213 Fundamentals. So that was sort of a week-long course um with uh s sort of other attendees from across EMIR um that covered sort of a an overview of uh DB213 um and even featured like hands-on lab content, um, which was was really useful. And um, I still sort of use some of the skills from that session um in my role now.
SPEAKER_02Well great. I'm so glad you brought that up because I'm not sure that everybody knows about the uh the is it foundations or essentials? Um but it runs alongside the iDug conference, doesn't it? But you're you're in a classroom with an expert or two, and it runs for both ZOS and for LUW. Correct, yeah. It's like an intense course, which for for trainees or or for for less experienced people sounds brilliant. Uh and outside of the the training hours, you get to experience the networking, the parties, and uh and everything else good that comes with with iDug. So it sounds sounds like a great thing, and I'm not sure that everybody's aware of it. There is a there is a page on the iDug website which explains everything. Um, and I'm sure you wouldn't mind if people contacted you if they want to know more about your experiences with that.
SPEAKER_01Absolutely. Yeah, I can highly recommend doing one of these courses as not just you get to participate in the course and do all the learning and complete the hands-on labs that are in that course, but you also get the rest of the iDUG experience, so the networking, um, which it which is really valuable as well. So you get the best of both worlds through through doing this course, but uh, um but at the iDUG conference.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, sounds really cool.
SPEAKER_07You'll get a certification at the end, uh certificate exam.
SPEAKER_01Uh that's an extension that you could potentially do.
SPEAKER_07Right. Uh it sounds really cool. Uh I can't remember there being anything like that when in my first iDugs uh a while ago. But I do remember doing a certification course, which was like one afternoon. Uh they they were really good. So because iDug just provides so much good, rich content.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, definitely. So Soleil, moving to you, what are some tips that you've got for making the most out of an in-person conference experience?
SPEAKER_05Okay, yeah. The the main point of the in-person one is well, you have access to more presentations, but you also can be more focused. Uh, because when you are virtual, sometimes you are at the same time doing some work or attending some calls or things like that. When you are in person, you can be focused, you can have uh exchange or conversations with other people in the halls, even in the same room of the presentation. Sometimes you cross looks and then you command what were the inputs that you are having or the insights there. Uh I think that you can start planning everything, for example, now because we already had half the grid. So I have been taking a look, I have been dreaming, I have seen who is speaking about what, what do I do not want to miss, what do I want to see later at home, because that's another very important thing for me are the recordings. I have the link at my favorites, I and consulting them maybe twice or three times per month. Uh and some of them, and I even revisiting them because there's a lot of information that I think are over 100 or almost 100 presentations. Um it's fantastic to review.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Good advice there. Um yeah, I think coming up with a schedule is quite important, isn't it?
SPEAKER_05Um sometimes there are two that you want to attend, you have to choose between like the TV. Okay, I will see then later, broadcast it.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, you can catch up on the one that you missed later when you watch the recording. Uh it's great that they recorded.
SPEAKER_05Yes, yes, it is. And you can share some things with your colleagues. Maybe if not, all the people on the company can attend because uh sometimes it's expensive and someone needs to be at home working while the others are learning. You can yes, you can share that information with them. The PDFs with the presentation or or to share the records with them at your at your laptop or whatever. It's a really good content and very very important, for example, for me for for working, for improving my work.
SPEAKER_02Definitely, yeah. Is there anything you can add to that, Eddie?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I mean, so from for my course, um, one thing that I was able to sort of do through doing the course and being at IDUG was actually being able to, you know, ask further questions to the attendees there based on the uh content of the course. So, for instance, for various topics I wanted uh sort of more insight on or even more realistic experiences, I was able to ask the wealth of other iDUG attendees questions on sort of their experience around that topic that really enhanced the value I got from that course.
SPEAKER_07Excellent. Rahul, tell us a little bit about your experience of uh going to iDug.
SPEAKER_06So when I had attended iDUG for the first time, it was like just walking into a room filled with people who uh who I've heard about only in the online DVD documentation, right? And it was really overwhelming. Of course, in the best possible way, but I I was really amazed. And uh of course, uh for for me, just to add to this topic, it was will be just a tip for first-timers. Don't try to attend uh everything because it can be overwhelming. But uh just re-leave some room for the informal conversations because that's where some magic happens. And uh you will really get to know some real-world experiences and share ideas and get some valuable feedback, of course.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, definitely. That's that's a really good tip to make sure that you allow time to do some extra networking in between sessions and just grabbing an expert or grabbing someone else that might be doing something similar to you and and talking things through. It's a really good tip. And you spoke in Valencia and you spoke at IDUG in is it was it Chennai?
SPEAKER_06Uh from Mumbai and Bangalore. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Oh, okay. Um, how how was it speaking at a conference rather than just attending and and having all the fun?
SPEAKER_06So that so actually that was one of the turning points uh because I've attended only a few times. Um and for someone who has attended only a few conferences, uh getting an opportunity was uh to speak and present at iDug is amazing. And if you're new to uh speaking, uh iDUG is definitely an encouraging space. Uh you can co-present with vendors or seasoned uh speakers, and it really boosts your confidence, of course. As a speaker, you all always uh not only share your ideas but also receive valuable feedback. So that feedback loop was uh really great and incredibly helpful for me. And if you're from a customer organization, uh you can validate your ideas and see if you're approaching things in the best possible way. And once you present at IDAC, you develop yourself into a brand and you're not just name on the badge, and everyone knows you're a known contributor in the DVDoo community. So that that's really that's really cool.
SPEAKER_02That's very true. That's very true. So that could be seen as a benefit. Uh and uh when we take it too far, maybe, maybe not, but uh yeah, definitely creating a brand is is a really really good point. And we know from our own experience that putting together a session to present an iDog takes a huge effort. It takes weeks, months of preparation, research, um, and and then practice as you're getting closer to to delivering it. But I've always found, and I don't know if Nathan, you've you've experienced this as well when after your session or leading up to it, that that amount of focus that you you put on your session, you you get there and you actually feel like you you really know this and you have to learn so much around the subject that you're talking about that it really boosts your your knowledge. Did you find that?
SPEAKER_00Mostly, yes, because I I talked about my experiences, it was a good like refresher. And also as a beginner, it's easy to think I only know this part. It seems so little to me compared to what my colleagues know. But if you actually list it out on a PDF or on a PowerPoint presentation, I mean it was actually quite good to see what I what I learned in in just about a year's worth of time. So that was quite fun for me to see and to go over all that kind of stuff again. That was great.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, definitely. And Sole, I remember your Reorg session from Valencia, and it was oh, I thought I knew about reorgs. I've been doing them for quite a few years, but I learned so much from your session and the way that you you presented it was was so engaging. Um, how did you manage to get to to that kind of level of of knowledge and and confidence when you're presenting? Was it just through practice or tell us?
SPEAKER_05Yeah, I learned a lot at your uh Riort session too at Valencia. Uh well I I started with a subject that I already knew. I knew a lot about Riort because Adibi have made thousands, but when you have to share that with other people, you have to go deeper. You have to prepare. I have been reading everything, I have been reading all the blogs. Uh, for example, Robert Catherine. I loved him. I have been reviewing all the documentation, IBM site, everything. So from when I started to when I ended, I learned a lot. So that was a reason for this time. I chose a subject that I already knew a bit, that was, for example, I will present about store procedures. And during the preparation, I have almost uh I am almost done with it. I have learned a lot. I have learned details that I will never get in another way because you don't need so much detail, or you think you don't need it, but when you got it, you realize that it's really important to be able to find tuning or to to search for errors in other moments. So it's a journey, it's it's a really journey. I recommend I have a lot of crisis, I have to to recognize uh I have the crisis that I was doing it too basic, then too technical, then that I will not have enough time in 50 minutes, then that my English is not possible to understand for anybody. I have a lot of crisis, but at the end it worked, and I'm very self-proud.
SPEAKER_00I'm glad I wasn't the only one.
SPEAKER_04Thank you, Nathan. That comforts me.
SPEAKER_02Brilliant. And and did you get plenty of support from from the iDug people that were leading your your tracks?
SPEAKER_05Yes, of course, because you start with the abstract, uh, they give you the points, they give you even points uh that maybe are not easy to say. For example, they uh they told me it was Philippe, he told me review your English because some of your sentences are not really clear or correct. Maybe that's not easy because that's not DB2, but I really appreciate it. It helped me a lot. I feel really supported all the all the journey.
SPEAKER_02That's good to hear.
SPEAKER_07So attending iDug does cost money for the company that you work for. Sometimes if you get uh a speaking gig, then you might get a discount. But can you think of any tips for justifying your attendance to your management and delivering a return on investment of sending you to the IDE conference?
SPEAKER_00Well, the main one for me I got lucky because I got to be a presenter. Um so the company was already on board uh because of that, because it's also uh let's be honest, good PR for them to see that they are also investing in the future, that they are training new DBAs, that mainframe is still an act only a platform that's actively in development in the company. Um but the main the main thing that that stood out to me as return on investment for the company were sessions like, and I'm not trying to suck up to Solidad. Um the the deep dive. So yeah, I mean there are so many utilities, there are so many specialty cases about DB2, but those deep dive sessions. Those were the ones where I took the most from I I actually still have the notes on my tablet that's in front of me. Um because reading something is still quite different than getting an explanation from somebody else that's like an expert in that field. So that that really helped me quite a lot, to be honest.
SPEAKER_07Really that's uh really good tips. How about you, Elitsa? How how would you persuade your manager to let you go to iDug for next year?
SPEAKER_03Well, the the asset you bring you bring to the company is the knowledge. So there is uh nothing more powerful gaining knowledge from the source itself. So I believe I believe yeah, worth the price.
SPEAKER_07And similarly to uh Nathan Rahul had uh the benefit of presenting. Do you do you have anything else that you can think of that you might persuade your line manager to let you go to iDug?
SPEAKER_06Like Nathan mentioned, uh those repeat type sessions uh and some technical sessions where you learn best practices. Uh and you when you come back, you can implement those best practices right away and improve your efficiency at work, right? So that's so that's uh that's uh direct ROI which you get uh immediately. And of course, like I mentioned earlier, that during the expert panels and informal breaks, uh you get a lot of information about the real world experiences. And that's gold that you don't get online, of course. So in terms of ROI, you come back more knowledgeable, more confident, and recognized, uh, which is a win-win for you and your company, of course.
SPEAKER_07Yes, excellent. Yes, of course. Uh I remember taking loads and loads of notes at my very first iDug conference and taking them back to work and trying to implement as many good suggestions and best practices as I could. And by the time my next iDug came around, I had uh loads of questions that I could ask directly. People like Hawk and Roberts or John Campbell said, okay, we've got this problem or we've got this issue or potential uh solution. What do you think? How can I do that? And iDug gives you the opportunity to speak to the big uh hitters, the movers and shakers in the DB2 world.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and it's great because they they are happy to talk to you, aren't they? They are very pleased to talk and to share their experience, and maybe even get somebody else in the conversation as well to really give you as much value as possible from being there.
SPEAKER_05Well, I I want to add also that uh there are companies now that are struggling to hire new people. And I think that uh for other people knowing that the staff is attending this kind of conference can be also a value to add because when you thinking all the benefits that a new company can offer to you, I think that uh this one of they sending you to to conference for doing the networking, for never stop learning, for improving, it it can also be something to offer in the case of new hirings.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, really good point. So talking about the conference, it the normal agenda is usually workshops on the Sunday and then three and a half days of presentations, and then on the Thursday afternoon, there's more workshops. Did you guys participate in any of those when you've when you've been at iDugs?
SPEAKER_00I got the uh the chance to attend a workshop about uh LUW setting up an uh secured encrypted LUW setup on uh on Sunday when we just arrived in Valencia.
SPEAKER_02Wow.
SPEAKER_00That was quite interesting actually, because uh Ali, not knowing that in advance, a couple of months later we actually had to do that at the company. So that actually was quite useful to me.
SPEAKER_02Brilliant.
SPEAKER_00Wishing back, I wish I had a bit more sleep before I took my flight to Spain that day. So perhaps I was a little bit more sharp to uh to follow along, but I mean I got something out of it.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, well that's that's brilliant. Um and did anybody else do any of the the workshops?
SPEAKER_06We do for GOS AI workshop, but I didn't volunteer uh the what stood out for me was uh it was designed for all the levels. I had I had no prior knowledge about that product, but it it was um incredibly designed and uh it had so much to offer about SQL tuning, how you can use that product to uh tune your subsystem also. And and of course, the uh if you get uh some knowledge that again uh goes back to the earlier question of ROI. You gain credibility at work with uh some new product knowledge.
SPEAKER_02Definitely. And uh they they also offer the chance to get a certification in DB2, ZOS, or LUW for free if you're attending IDUG. So it was a long time ago that I did it, but I I think I did it for D B21. Did anybody else manage to to do that while they were there? Oh Soley, congratulations.
SPEAKER_05Thank you. Yes, uh two of my IBN certifications are thanks to IDU. One directly, because one of the virtuals I got a voucher. And with that voucher I could pass this, well, present and pass less and for the V12. Um this year, not directly, but thanks to Edoc I got the IBM Champion award. Uh and yeah, and together with that it came also a voucher, and I use it to my certification of V Cert team. So thanks to IDOC, I have both of them.
SPEAKER_02Brilliant. Excellent.
SPEAKER_05That's another thing to say to your company. If you're ready to pass it, uh you will have the the voucher or at least the other DS to have this certification for free.
SPEAKER_02I don't know if things have moved on a bit since Marcus and I worked as DBAs, but when we wanted to attend an iDog as as users, we were told that if we wanted to go, we had to get accepted and do a presentation. And if we wanted to come back, we had to come back with a certification. So I don't know if things have moved on a bit, but it it was quite an intense week when you're you're having to present and you're having to do some crash studying um and and try and fit in a certification as well as trying to have fun.
SPEAKER_05Yes, but now the voucher allows you to to pass the sum in the month later. I think it's yes, you have four or six months. If you don't need to do it during the conference.
SPEAKER_02Oh, so you can concentrate on having fun.
SPEAKER_05Yes, exactly.
SPEAKER_02Who wants to talk about fun at IDA? The parties.
SPEAKER_07So who's who's got any memorable memories about IDA parties?
SPEAKER_02Or were they so good that no one can remember anything?
SPEAKER_05Well, I was at in Valencia at the IBM and at the Broadcom once, at the Broadcom once Twang uh and his band playing rock. It was very funny and very at the same time there was um it was the flow at Valencia and all the problems they had with the rain and with uh everything, but at that moment we didn't know and we really had a very, very good time.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah, that was uh a mixed night, wasn't it? The night of that party. Exactly fantastic event. Um but I remember Nathan and and I were trying to desperately get back to our hotels before that was easier said than done at the end.
SPEAKER_00I think we almost walked back home. I think we took a bus for like two stops back and that was it. Yeah, that was quite quite the hectic night.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Memorable, but maybe not for for the for the normal reasons that I dug parties are memorable.
SPEAKER_07Yes.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, but the they're usually in really interesting locations, great food, drink, and uh they're definitely worth going to, I'd say.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, the one in Malta was on a boat. Do you remember that one? They had we had a tour of around uh around the the port at Malta. That was the rocket party. Yeah, that was a good one.
SPEAKER_00In general, I think it's always nice to meet people in a bit more informal way as well, because I got to attend the attic with one of my former colleagues, Jan, and and I already knew him from working together with him. That being said, he only works 50% of the time uh because he's getting close to retirement age. But it was really nice to meet him in an informal way as well. I I got to know a lot about him, and I mean, yeah, that's also a bonus.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I think since COVID, we've all been missing a bit of that, haven't we, with our our colleagues? There's so many of us are still working remotely or hybrid, but it's difficult to get people together, even in the office, let alone after working and really get to know each other and and to have a good time with each other. So yeah, that's that's a really special part of it, I think.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, one piece of advice I could offer for the iDug evening events is to register in advance. As I I recall some at Prague which were extremely busy, so definitely make sure to register in advance for those.
SPEAKER_02You you can usually do that when you go to the the expo, can't you? So where uh the vendors and everyone goes for drinks after after the sessions, um there's a really nice atmosphere, but you do need to figure out which parties you want to go to and and uh go and get your tickets.
SPEAKER_00Thank god I had Kurthu already pointed out what should I Alia, what I should do.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it's useful to have somebody that's uh that's been before and can kind of point you in the right direction. It's like you need to get there in front of the queue to get a ticket for that one.
SPEAKER_07The Expo Center where all of the vendors have their stalls and where we have our coffee breaks and lunch breaks, that's a great opportunity to mix with people from all over the world and just rub shoulders with fellow DBAs and cisprogs, and it's a good opportunity to hang your introversion on the door as you go in and just go out and make new friends.
SPEAKER_02We are quite a friendly bunch, I think. Yeah, we don't buy most of it.
SPEAKER_07So that was a great tip from Eddie to book any any parties in advance. You know, jump on the opportunity to uh to book in as many parties as you can before uh all the tickets sell out. Does anybody else have any uh hints and tips for making a good idug experience?
SPEAKER_06I would say the same tip uh stands for the workshops as well. Uh they really fill up far. So I recommend checking them out early. Yeah, because they have a lot to offer.
SPEAKER_02You can usually register for the workshops as you register for the conference. So uh just be sure that you don't just click register without first looking at the the workshops because there's there's usually a couple um in the morning on Sunday and a couple in the afternoon, I think. Uh, and then again on the Thursday afternoon, there's there's more workshops. So, yeah, definitely have a look when you're registering to figure out what what you think you'd like to try.
SPEAKER_00And also talk about it to friends and colleagues because I've I've talked uh to quite a lot of young guys like me who work at uh different companies, and Ali, I think there'll be quite a bit more new young faces that'll be attending the iDoc in Düsseldorf uh this year.
SPEAKER_02Brilliant, let's think so.
SPEAKER_07The tip that I've got is one that I still live by is take notes. I've got volumes of free books that I've uh that I've picked up from vendor stalls that uh are full of notes that I've taken at different sessions because sometimes you think, now somebody talked about this when you're facing a problem. Like, what load parameter do I need to use to do such and such? And say, Oh, I remember Hawkin talking about that, or John Campbell or someone. And you can just look through look back through your uh through your notebooks. So, yeah, take notes, they're very useful. And I remember when Julia and I worked together as DBAs that I went to one conference and I had to give a presentation of everything that I picked up. So uh be prepared to feed back to your companies when you uh when you come back.
SPEAKER_00I actually wasn't kidding when I said I took a lot of notes when it was the session of Sully.
SPEAKER_04You made my day.
SPEAKER_05Thank you.
SPEAKER_07Nathan showed his iPad to the camera.
SPEAKER_05My notebook here. Well, people cannot see it, but I have my I have notes here from from the iDUC, always with me.
SPEAKER_07So I think that about wraps it up for uh for our special pre-Idagemir session of first timers and early starters in DV2. Uh it's been great to talk to you all. Uh, thank you very much for your insight, and we hope to see you soon in an IDAGEMEA conference coming near you.
SPEAKER_05For sure, thank you so much for having me. Thanks, everybody.
SPEAKER_07Thank you. Bye bye, everyone.
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