67 | Mastering Your Mind: Breaking Free from Judgmental Chatter with | Richard Waldman

Ever feel trapped by that relentless, judgmental voice in your head? In this transformative conversation, Richard Waldman, retired Army veteran, author, and clinical pastor, unveils his revolutionary "Order to Life Circle" framework that's changing how people manage their inner critics and reclaim their mental freedom.

Richard's journey from accountant to spiritual teacher reveals how discovering your true calling can transform not just your life, but the lives of everyone around you. "If you bring out what is within you, what you bring out will save you. If you do not bring out what is within you, what you do not bring out will destroy you," he shares, drawing from ancient wisdom that resonates powerfully today.

At the heart of Richard's teaching lies a profound truth: we cannot experience negative emotions without first judging something or someone. This judgmental mindset, what he calls the "serpent" in our psyche, keeps us bouncing between anxiety about the future and regrets about the past, preventing us from experiencing the only moment that truly exists: the present.

Through vivid stories and practical insights, Richard explains how awareness, presence, conscious choice, and connection form the foundation of mental resilience. He challenges us to recognize that "if you're doing what you love, there's no such thing as failure" only opportunities to realign with our true purpose. His approach bridges spiritual teachings with practical psychology, offering tools that work regardless of your faith background.

Ready to silence your inner critic and rediscover joy? Download Richard's resources from his website, grab his book on Amazon, and start implementing his simple yet profound practices today. Your mind, and everyone around you, will thank you for it.

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Introducing Richard Waldman

Intro 0:01

You're listening to the Off Balance Podcast, where faith, family, and business collide. Hosted by Brooke Deming, Doctor of Business Administration, Business Coach, and Resilience Ext. Each episode features real-life conversations to help entrepreneurs like you build resilience and lead with confidence.

Dr.Brooks 0:32

Welcome back to Off Balance. I'm your host, Dr. Brooks. Today's guest is someone who brings wisdom, clarity, and compassion to the conversation around mindset and mental resilience. Richard Waldman is a retired Army veteran, author, and clinical pastor based in Cape Coral, Florida. With decades of experience navigating both the battlefield and the complexities of human emotion, Richard has developed a powerful framework called the Order to Life Circle, a self-educating system designed to help people manage judgmental inner chatter, reshape their thinking, and live more intentionally. Richard, welcome to Off Balance.

Richard 1:12

Thank you. It's a pleasure to be here. I'm excited.

Dr.Brooks 1:14

Thank you so much for joining us. Before we dive into our conversation, can you introduce yourselves to our listeners and share a little bit more about who you are and what you do?

Discovering a Passion for Teaching

Understanding Why We Suffer

Richard 1:25

I'm a life coach, clinical pastor. However, my past, I have a degree in accounting, which didn't work for me. And I was always kind of looking for what I was doing. And I came across this biblical quote that says, If you bring out what is within you, what you bring out will save you. If you do not bring out what is within you, what you do not bring out will destroy you. And so I was searching, and luckily my degree in accounting paid off. I had an opportunity to go to this seminar. I had to do with the financial calculator that came out. And I had bought a piece of property, bought a home, and I was interested in learning this stuff. Well, I went to the seminar, one thing led to another, and it was a two-part seminar. And that night I went home, I'm working, they give you an outline, and I saw something in the outline. I thought they could have made it a little simpler. So I thought, I wonder if I should say anything to the teacher the next day. I decided to, great guy, right? He turns to me, he says, You want a job? I said, What do you mean? Do I want a job? He says, We're looking for somebody to teach this class. He says, What's your background? I says, Well, an accountant. He says, You're perfect. He says, I said, I don't understand. He says, The fellow who designed this, it was a for a title insurance company. He's not with us anymore. And we had booked the class. And so I was the next guy to teach it. We're looking for somebody to do this. And we want to develop some more classes. One thing led to another. He said, Look, we were a small company. Our president is a great guy. You got to meet him. You got at least talk to him. And so, how can I say no? He made the appointment. We hooked up, the energy was there. And he says, Richard, hey, would you like to come on board? And it was just like that. It's like it came out of the ether. That started it all. I started getting involved and I found out that I love teaching. I love getting in front of a group. I love educating. And I love making things simple so people can understand them. There's a term I heard years ago, a zingo. You ever heard of a zingo, brook? Information flying over your head is supersonic speeds. Many times we hear things, we hear, but we don't really, like you were saying, we don't really understand it. And we learn through repetition. So anyway, it worked out one. We use it as a marketing tool. In other words, let's say, for example, you're a realtor and we're a title insurance and you direct business to us. But if I can go in your office and show you something of value, how to use your financial calculator that will help you and your business, chances are we're going to start developing that relationship. And there was a philosophy that we had was exposure, comfort, relationships, business. But really, that's something we all go through. I want to meet somebody, you expose, you start getting comfortable. Some maybe you're going to go out, have a date, and you start to relate. And then who do we do business with? People we have relationships with. So the strategy worked very well. And then some months later, I got a call from a stockbroker. He says, I understand you do these classes that you do them to generate business. He says, I work with attorneys and we work together on retirement plans, but I can't get in front of them. I can't go to their office and say, please talk to me. He said, Would you meet with me? Can we talk? So one thing led to another. We got together. I said, Bring all your stuff. And so we started putting the class together. And I sit down, what do you want to say? Why are you different? What is it that people need to know that maybe other people are? Then I showed them how to teach it. And there's a thing called Socratic teaching. Socrates was a student of Plato, and he learned that his students learn more if you would ask questions versus giving the students the answer. So I adopted that. And what I do is I create a very simple outline. Okay. And we get into the class. And I might say, Brooke, can you tell the class what number one says? Well, the number one said, and so now you're instructed. Well, who here heard everyone here ever hear what Brooke said? Okay, we're now working. And so we work together. And so the students are attentive. It's simple stuff. Real simple. The class we put together, I taught the first half of it so he could see it. Then he saw some other things I had done, but then got him going. And then an attorney called me. So this thing really developed. Then I did a presentation for a company. He says, Richard, are you a coach? You life coach? And I says, No. I told him what I was doing. That sparked one thing. And I started navigating to that. And I knew I wasn't going to be here at the company forever. And other things started occurring to me. One of the courses I took when I was in college was a management course I had to have. And the teacher said something to the class that hit me, I never forgot. He said that the common ad has been around for roughly 110 million years for one reason and one reason only. They work together. I thought of, and that we worked, but we don't. And I kept thinking, why don't we work together? Why can't we get along? So this these questions were going on for me for a long time. And finally I got to a point I was thinking about more about these things that I fantasized, bro, that someone had called me up and said, Richard, we want you to create a class that explains why we can be so extraordinary and at the same time confused, self-serving, and destructive. And I so that started it all. And I thought, we all suffer. We all suffer at different times, at different levels over different things. And I thought, but we don't know why. And I thought, how complicated could this be if we all suffer? Surely we can figure this out. So I that's what I started getting into why we suffer. And the conclusion I came up to about is the fact that we have a highly creative brain that has the ability to create on its own. For example, the image that we have of ourselves is we didn't create that, our brain did. Okay, but the problem with this is that the image that our brain created is an egocentric image, meaning it's judgmental by nature. The reason why we're so judgmental, and who do we judge more than anyone else ourselves? Is because we're living through that part of our personality that Jesus told us to lose. You have to lose yourself to find yourself. But I'm going, oh, wait a minute here. I'm a Jew, and then I tell people that this Jew ran into another Jew named Jesus. I started getting very involved with his teachings. And he says, No what's in front of you, what is in will be revealed. All these things that I thought, I know what you're talking about. And so I included him, he's in my book, is that in that these teachings are not new. And my whole stick is that today's psychology is actually an extension of yesterday's theology. And I bring that into focus. Then I get into now to the healing aspect of it. People are looking for healers. Where are they? Where'd they go? And then I start getting involved with Jesus, some of the things that he did, how we thought, how we conducted himself, the basics of where I'm at and what I do. I try to help them understand that how they see is not who they are. Another example of our brain creating on its own is, for example, they say we have over 6,200 thoughts a day. Do we take time out of our day to consciously think of these thoughts? Of course not. They're zipping through our head one after the other. And what about those nighttime dreams that are chaotic and nonsensical where reality doesn't are we involved in that? No, our brain is doing all of this. But the unfortunate thing, much of what our brain creates is out of sync with the rest of the universe. And so we're not aware of this. So that's why I got into the orders of life, and I wanted to make it really simple that there are mental states that move us forward, and there are mental factors that hold us back. And it's just that simple because they're more complicated than that.

Dr.Brooks 9:07

So let's build on that. You took a course years ago, and you were able to recognize that course could have been simpler. How does that connect to your book?

Richard 9:19

Okay, let's back up here. Our greatest mental asset is our imagination. Our greatest mental process is staying curious. When you mix the two together, things started happening. I can have a great imagination, but if I'm not curious, I wasn't curious about maybe approaching the instructor, nothing would have happened. Or I maybe could have been curious, but not really understand exactly what I was dealing with. So when you bring those two together, you have to be conscious of these things. These, how do I say, these mental assets that we have, the things that God gave us, we have to see it before we can create it. We have to see it first in our head. But we see we're not we don't have the support either. That's the problem, too. Support is so critical, Brooke, that we don't have. And one of the problems is we don't support each other because we're too busy judging each other. If we could do two very simple things, which is support each other instead of judging each other, the world would change at a heartbeat. Would change in a heartbeat if we did those two very simple things.

Dr.Brooks 10:23

How do you apply that principle in our day-to-day, not being as judge judgmental?

The Order to Life Circle

Breaking Free from Judgmental Chatter

Richard 10:29

When I was creating this circle, I was out of my element, and my wife said to me, Richard, are you in the circle or are you outside the circle? And I went, okay, direct hit, you got me. So what happens inside the circle? There's four things that move us forward. Starts with awareness. Awareness of what? Awareness that our personality has evolved in more than one direction. And Jesus said so when he says you have to lose yourself to find ourselves. And now I know what part of our personality I need to lose. It's the judgmental side that wants to hold me back. And unfortunately, how do I say the judgmental side has that gatekeeper, the chatter in our head? Okay. And the chatter also showed up in the story of Adam and Eve. Remember the serpent? The chatter is very much like a serpent. It has crawled its way into our psyche. It's stealthy, it's quiet, you don't see it. But on the other hand, it speaks with a four tongue that can be deadly. And that's what our chatter is like. It doesn't say that, oh, Brooke, look how wonderful and how smart you are. It doesn't say that you're not good enough, you're not smart enough. Why try? Why don't you just keep on doing what you're doing and forget those hopes and dreams? You're not going to make it anyway. But this is what we hear. Big bandwidth were afraid to share things with other people because we usually, oh Brooke, what makes you think you could we don't get support anymore versus hey, that's a great idea. Wait, why don't you try it? Why don't you start? We don't hear that. When I was in the high school, I was in gymnastics, I was on the rings, and bottom line was I was a junior and there was a fellow named Bob, he was a senior, he was, I say ahead of me, but I was gaining on him. Season had just started, I was laying in bed, and the thought came to me that I think I can beat Bob. Lo and behold, I walk on campus the next morning. Who do I run into? My coach. Hey coach, hey Rich, how are you doing? Hey coach, you got a sick? Yeah, what's up? I says, I just had this thought that I can beat Bob. He looks at me. No one has ever said this to me in my life, not my parents and anybody. He looks at me, he says, Richard, I know you can. Oh my God, I was floating for the rest of the day. He believes in me. Where do we go to get that? Where do we go to get that? And we hear more and more how loneliness is becoming a major problem because we're behind our smartphones, we don't talk, and we're fearful of being judged more than anything else. Because we've been educated to be judgmental, because we're living through that part of our personality that is judgmental. To stay present. Life only occurs in the present moment. I can't live in the future, I can't live in the past. All I can live is right now. And when I start connecting these right now, I start having what's called everlasting life. And what it is also too, the chatter in our head uses this as a weapon. For example, the chatter in our head will take us into the future and beat us up with what if questions we can't answer. Brooke, what if you lose your job? What if you can't pay your bills? What if, what if? And when it tires of beating this up in the future, it'll drag us in the past where regrets are. Fears in the future, the past is about regret. Oh, Brooke, you should have done this. You should have left, kept that all, you should have shot. And we're not aware that we're living in the future or the chatter in our head is bouncing us back and forth between the future and the past. And we wonder why we're neurotic, why life isn't working, because we don't know how to be present. And the present moment and the chatter in our head cannot exist at the same place at the same time. Three is making a conscious choice, thinking through what you might create if you act upon your current thinking. How many times have we said things, done things, we go the next. You know, I shouldn't have said that. I shouldn't have acted that how many times because we haven't thought it through. And I share with people if you have the ediest bit of doubt, don't do it. And so to make people aware, because we create what our life is like, we put out crap, that's what we're gonna have. If we're if it's coming out, Jesus said, seek the kingdom first, then I get into what that is as well, and it'll be added to you, but we're not aware of these things. No one taught us how to do these things. Last is connecting, connecting to what it is you love to do. I don't care what it is. Once again, if you bring out what is within you, what you'll bring out will save you. If you don't, it'll destroy you because you may want to do something, but no one supported you. You haven't tried yet, and we become frustrated because God, I want to do this, but I don't think I can do it. I don't have the money, I don't have the smarts. I just better give up and just keep on doing what I'm doing. So that's the part that I coach. If I can keep your mind in the forefront as things develop, now you can, hey, am I being aware, am I being present, am I making conscious choice? And am I connecting to what really works? So this is not rockets, it's real simple stuff.

Dr.Brooks 15:22

It sounds like the chatter causes us to worry, causes us to have anxiety.

Richard 15:26

Oh, this is what when Jesus talked about casting out demons, this is what he's talking about. The chatter in our head, the demons that show up. But now we'll go to the side that holds us back. First of all, it's judgmental by nature. Number one is judgment that works in conjunction with the chatter in our head that has the evidence. You know, Brooke, remember the last time you failed? Remember the last time you did this? And then your friends are saying, Look, well, look what happened. So it collects the evidence and we buy into it. Yeah, you're right, you're right. I did fail. You're right. Maybe forget it. Maybe I just need to, and maybe and we un unknowingly, we're living outside of the circle, having no idea whatsoever where life exists or life begins and ends. It's right here in the middle. But no one has explained this to us or showed us that this is what's really going on. So I kept thinking sometimes, what would Jesus do? What would because he's he was the ultimate teacher, the savior. Well, what would he say? I met somebody and I was talking to him, and he says, You're very easy to talk with or deal with. And I said, I learned something many years ago. Someone said, make it easy for people to do business with you, no matter what it is. Don't bust or chops, make it easy. And so when you leave that the conversation, you want it to be better than when you first started. So I'm always cognizant of that. What am I saying? What am I doing? Is the person feeling better or are they feeling worse after they leave me? Yeah, but that's at a nutshell at what I do.

Dr.Brooks 16:52

For someone who grew up with people telling them you can't do it, you can't do it, and then they adopted that mindset of not being able to do it.

Richard 17:00

I will ask, are you willing to take responsibility for how you think? Okay, rule number one are you willing to take time to examine your thoughts? We start there. If they say, Well, then we have nowhere to go. Okay, but if they're willing to hey, take responsibility, take a moment and examine what they're thinking, what's going on, okay, then we can go to the next step. And anytime anybody is having a negative thought or feeling, my the first question they should ask themselves, what am I judging? Because I cannot have a negative thought or emotion or feeling until I judge something. That's why judgment is the most destructive mindset we can have, because you cannot have a negative thought or emotion until you judge something. So then now the person is like an audit trail when you go backwards. So, in other words, now I'm having that emotion, I'm feeling negative. What am I judging that's sparking this feeling of negativity of my emotion? Judgment is a function of our beliefs. See, the chatter in our head is a gatekeeper. And what Jesus has done into you is you believe. And we don't realize that the chatter in our head is wants to protect those beliefs, as rotten as they are, because the chatter in our head knows if I get rid of those beliefs, I get rid of my chatter. And the chatter wants to live. Okay, here's a perfect example about creating years ago. On my website, I have what's called WordPress. And I'm in California at the time, living in the south of San Francisco. My WordPress guy didn't have anyone to refer me to or anything. And my wife said, What are you gonna do? And I says, Wait a minute here. So there's a uh a website called Meetup. So I went on Meetup and I'm said, I put WordPress developers or programmers, and this meeting popped up. Hey, there's gonna be a seminar in San Francisco in a week or so with uh program developers at WordPress. And over a hundred people have signed up to attend. And I thought, that's where I'm gonna go. And she says, but Richard, they're developers, so will they talk to you? I says, sure. She says, How are they gonna meet you? How are you gonna meet them if you're in a seminar? I says, You're gonna help me. She says, but she loved to work with paper. I says, In what way? You're gonna create a sign for me, okay? And I'm gonna wear this sign around my neck when I walk into the seminar. Okay, and we're gonna see what happens. And she says, Well, what's that sign gonna say? And here's the actual sign help, seeking this it. Okay, got the little string over my so I go to the seminar, I put it over, I walk in, people are turning at me, pointing at me. They're walking within minutes. I had a stack of cards like this, they were lined up one after the give me a call. I love to give me a call, thank you. And so these are little creative things that we could do to create things. Once again, the inner creates the outer. And the question is, yeah, we're we have an imagination, and if we're curious, you can do all kinds of things, and so this is the fun part of life and the exciting part. Sometimes road A doesn't work, but many times road B is better. But you wouldn't have known that had you not decided to go down road A and been open to exploring road B. And that's another part of it. I encourage people to do your best and let it go.

Dr.Brooks 20:28

That ties nicely into my next question because you walked us through how your system can help us recognize and manage that judgmental chatter. But how can your system help us build that mental resilience?

Building Mental Resilience

Richard 21:28

I know the universe is on my side. My resilience is if I believe I have it, it's there. When you see you start seeing the universe work, you start working with it. It's malleable. Okay, but you've got to believe, you've got to have a start, you've got to start somewhere. You've got to believe that you know this is gonna work. If you don't believe it, you're not gonna do it. You have to be willing to step out of your side yourself, like Jesus said. You've got to let go of that part that's not working and embrace the part that does. And it's real simple stuff. So there'd be resilience is hey, look, swing the bat, you gotta swing it again. You stay in the box, you don't give up. If you're doing what you're love, there's no such thing as failure. There's now something may not have worked outright, only because the universe is telling you, you know what, this is not the way to go. The universe will work with you. Okay, but there again, you have to do your part. You can't sit on your rusty dusty and thinking, hey, things aren't working. Why did I want to? Why don't I not have all these wonderful things going on in my life? We we were created in the image of God, meaning that we too have the power to create, and the universe will respond to us if we're willing to get off our backside and do what it is that we truly want to do.

Dr.Brooks 22:42

Yes, we live in a time where we have so much access to other people, their lives by way of social media. So sometimes people can feel like they're not accomplished because they can see what other people have going on. Can you help us to learn or a strategy that we can use to avoid making that mistake of comparison?

Richard 23:04

I'll tell you right off the bat, what that statement you just made was judgmental. You were judging, right? Weren't you judging that what was going on? We're not aware of the judgments that go on within us. Stop judging. Oh, I'm not judging anymore. The universe is perfect, it's whole. God created us, we are complete, but we don't see ourselves as complete because the chatters in our hands telling us all the time something is missing. We are complete. The judgment, I tell you, it's the most destructive mindset you can have because we judge everything and everybody, and we judge more than ourselves. And once you start recognizing it, you'll see that it runs you because we've been educated to be judgmental. And I can't go over it, you know, but again, we live through that part of our person that is judgment. But the other important thing is to learn how you're wired. We're all wired differently. There's no right or wrong. You have certain beliefs and feelings that maybe I have other ones, but it's not you're not wrong because you do. But if you learn how your mind is wired, you know what your fears are. Normally, how gee, how do I normally react? Someone may say, You're afraid of that? What's wrong with you? So we just have to learn how our mind works.

Dr.Brooks 24:13

For listeners that's juggling faith, family, and business, what's one simple but powerful mindset shift that they can make to feel more present and focused?

Finding Your Purpose and Joy

Richard 24:25

Well, and to be more present and focused, it takes a little practice. Every professional, and they all practice. Attorney practices before he goes into the courtroom, the doctor practices on the cadaver before he operates. All professionals practice all the time, and so we just need ourselves as a professional. I'm a professional and I'm here to conduct my life that gives me that whole feeling inside, that makes me feel connected, that makes me a part of what's going on. But there again, that's something you have to decide what it is that you want. There's a ways to handle everything, it's how we manage it. When people start realizing these things, it's this joy comes in that they've never had before because they've never been in these places before.

Dr.Brooks 25:10

So if someone's listening and they really like your framework, how would they be able to contact you?

Richard 25:16

When you go on my website, I have step one and two. Step one and two explains much of what I'm sharing with you right now. And step two goes over the orders of the life circle. Now, what you hear me say on the website, you can download my script. You will have every word that you have heard. So now you can have it as a reference. You download the circle with that in front of you. Once again, it's having reminders. It's like my coach sometimes in gymnastics, when you people would fall off the equipment, he'd start yelling, get back up there, get back up there, get back up there. And later I said, Why do you say, Rich, if I let them think about it, they won't do it. You're being around people that support you. See, that's the other thing. And I encourage people, whatever venue you want to work in, seek out those people that are in the place where you want to be. Seek out those people. There's groups, there's organizations, there's all kinds of things going on. We protect what we value. And if I can get you in an area, things that were you what you value, chances are things are going to happen because you value them and you enjoy doing them.

Dr.Brooks 26:24

I am so glad to have this conversation with you. I know my listeners are probably having aha moments as well. And so, Richard, as we wrap up, what's one message or a piece of advice that you would leave with our listeners who may be navigating their own better way of thinking right now?

Richard 26:43

Once again, I'm gonna say I value this more than anything. If you bring out what is within you, what you bring up will say is finding that God gift that God gave you, the thing that that sparks you, the thing that that is the is the mover. That is the prime thing. And like I said, we were created in the image of God. We're here to create, we're here to empower each other. And how do we get the energy? Is we're back by having these exchanges. You will give energy to some, and they will give energy back to you. And this is back and forth that keeps us going that creates meaning to like that gives meaning to life, and it doesn't get any more complicated than that. Just be who you are, be out there, have fun, enjoy yourself, laugh a lot, and have fun. It's one last thing, I'll leave you real quick here. I was married the first time about seven years, and uh the lady I I I married, I got married a second time. We were we hooked up like best friends. It was just one of those things. And we were you know got decided to get married, and she says, Richard, you know what? She says, I know your ex and you know my ex. And the big problem that I had and you had with your is we didn't have any fun, did we? You know, and I said, You're right. We're gonna have fun, we're going to have, and we did. We had fun, and she was a very wise individual. We're gonna have fun, and are we gonna have uh maybe a spat once in a while? Yep, you know what we're doing? We're gonna clean it up real quick and we're gonna get back to having fun. How does that sound? You got it, and it worked, but there again, you've you've got to have that partner, the one someone who's willing to work with you, someone who values you, and and true love to me is when those values that you're that you have and the other person has, and they come together to where actually all you see is one value. That's what love is, because you share the same values. That's what love's about. And once again, it's non-judgmental. We don't judge each other, we love each other, and it doesn't get any more complicated than that. Keep it simple.

Dr.Brooks 28:55

If someone wants to purchase your book, where can they purchase your book from?

Final Wisdom and Resources

Richard 28:59

Amazon. Amazon, yeah, Amazon. And once again, it's a it's a two-way uh can I read something very quickly? Okay, it's a conversation about two individuals, and I want to touch upon real real quick here. Is I how do I say I got into when Jesus talked about the uh you know, seek the kingdom of God, and I can't think, well, it's it appears in the uh four gospels more than 80 times. It appears he valued it more than anything, but you there's no description of it. So I thought, what would that be like? What would the the I mean, how would I know when I get there? What does it look like? Bottom line, John and and Noah they're having a discussion, and Jesus said, Be ye perfect like the Father in heaven is perfect. A perfect state of mind is your gateway to the kingdom of God, also known as the kingdom of heaven, said Noah. How do you know when you reach the kingdom? I mean, how would you describe it? replied John. There was a long pause as Noah collected his thoughts and then turned to John and said, Picture if you can, an intercom so complete that nothing is wanting. There are no internal or external conflicts. It's a non-judgmental state that's passionate about creating, open to change and an order, where all things are added to you. Added to you in what way? asked John. Is your body at ease? Is your mind free to think of wondrous things when you're anxious or upset? Will others invite you to break bread when you judge and curse them? No, no, no, of course not. A mindset like that wouldn't add or attract to anyone or anything, but it doesn't seem fair, O Noah. Having to monitor what God gave us is like buying a new car that constantly needs fixing. So, anyway, that That's my interpret of what possibly what the kingdom of God is. If that intercom, no judgment.

Dr.Brooks 30:51

I can't wait to get my copy of your book. You bring so much wisdom and so much insight. Thank you so much for coming on off balance and blessing my listeners with your wisdom. And if anyone wants to purchase his book, please make sure that you go on Amazon. So again, Richard, thank you so much. You have been a pleasure.

Richard 31:09

You're welcome and me. Your life has a lot of balance. We roll it out.