Raw Reflections on Social Impact and Personal Anguish

Ever found yourself simmering with emotions that threaten to boil over in the middle of an already challenging day? This week's heart-to-heart goes off-script as Tony and Lynn unpack the anger and frustration that bubble up in the hustle of parenting and daily life. Our candid conversation veers from our planned content to address the real impact social media and current events have on our mental health. When an Instagram post triggers a wave of helplessness, we're compelled to examine how these moments of powerlessness seep into our interactions with our children and corrode our peace of mind.

Wrestling with the complexities of feminist ideals isn't for the faint of heart, and in this discussion, we hold nothing back. We find ourselves grappling with the concept of pent-up rage and the importance of finding a healthy outlet for it, particularly within the feminist community. Here, we touch upon the notion of toxic femininity and the need for a feminism that fights universally against injustice, leaving no woman behind. Our dialogue takes a turn to confront the silence and perceived betrayal in the feminist movement, addressing the dire need for acknowledgment and action against atrocities faced by women in conflict zones.

Navigating activism, especially concerning the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, can be a minefield of emotion and misinformation. Join us as we share personal accounts on advocating for Palestinian rights while maintaining a vigilant stance against anti-Semitism. The discussion is layered with reflections on our journeys, the challenges of deciphering genuine activism from identity politics, and the pressures of educating and raising a family in an era of heightened social consciousness. We also emphasize the significance of local activism and education in contributing to a just and peaceful world for our children to inherit.

Your hosts: @lynnhazan_ and @tonydoesknow

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Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:01

Hey, welcome to the Lynn and Tony Know podcast. I'm your host, lynn.

Speaker 2: 0:04

And I'm Tony. We are both wellness coaches and married with kids.

Speaker 1: 0:08

Join us as we talk about all things health, wellness, relationships, life hacks, parenting and everything in between, unfiltered. Thanks for listening and let's get into it. Welcome to the show, welcome back. We're back, episode. I have no idea, no clue. We're just doing our best here, honestly.

Speaker 2: 0:28

It's being held together with Elmer's and Ducktape at the moment, but we are pushing through and we're showing up, we're showing up.

Speaker 1: 0:38

It's interesting that we were very consistent when Noah was a newborn which is like really the first year in a baby's life as the hardest and we were recording every week, and now that she's one, it seems like it's harder a little bit.

Speaker 2: 0:55

Why is?

Speaker 1: 0:55

that I don't know.

Speaker 2: 0:57

It is though.

Speaker 1: 0:58

Yeah, it is harder.

Speaker 2: 0:59

She's a bit more chaotic.

Speaker 1: 1:03

Yeah, we're going to talk about everything going on. So initially, the intention for this episode was to talk about New Year's resolutions, new habits, morning routines, et cetera, et cetera, but I feel like we need to talk about other stuff that's going on first. What do you think?

Speaker 2: 1:26

I think it sounds like this is an episode for us.

Speaker 1: 1:29

Yeah, I need a therapy session. I need a therapy. I'm having a rough day. Look, I've been trying to get dressed for the podcast, but it's Monday night, it's 7.15 pm, I'm in my pajamas. I got a laser on my skin today. I'm a mess. I look like a mess. It is what it is. Take it or leave it.

Speaker 2: 1:51

I'll take it You're here.

Speaker 1: 1:53

Yeah, I'm here I showed up. I had a rough day. I had a rough day, so I woke up and since which is a win right out of the gate.

Speaker 2: 2:03

I woke up.

Speaker 1: 2:04

I'm alive. Yeah, it's healthy. I woke up and I've been trying since the New Year to get back to my morning routine and we woke up pretty early this morning, even though last night we had shit sleep because Noah who knows what's going on with her toddler life.

Speaker 2: 2:20

Well, she's pooping bricks right now.

Speaker 1: 2:22

Yeah, she's constipated. Anyway, we'll talk about toddler life separately.

Speaker 2: 2:25

Yeah, you just let me know when?

Speaker 1: 2:26

Okay, I will let you know. So she had a shit night. So that means we had a shit night, but we still woke up and Tony went to work out and do his meditations. And then I wake up, I do my meditation, make the bed, I journal and all that stuff. Now I've set some boundaries with going on social media right in the morning until I'm done all my stuff and I try to delay going on social media because I know that scrolling first thing in the morning is really horrible for me and causes major anxiety and I end up, especially with the war happening, I end up seeing something and spiraling and whatever, and I really try to set that boundary with myself. This morning I didn't listen to myself and there was this. Something was pushing me to open Instagram, and which I very much regret.

Speaker 2: 3:24

Evil in.

Speaker 1: 3:25

Yeah, so you know, and I did my meditation and I journal and I felt like, okay, like I can get my day started.

Speaker 2: 3:30

You did all this first.

Speaker 1: 3:31

I did all this first I did all this stuff first and I should have just continued on that like plain. You know what I mean, okay, but instead I just opened Instagram and I saw something that just put me in a fit of rage. I saw they released images of four female hostages held in Gaza. They're between the ages of like 18 and 19. These are, you know, young women who were taken from Israel and have been held hostage in for the past, you know, three months, and they showed images that Hamas themselves have took and just in horrible shape, bleeding, just the most gut wrenching images and videos, and I felt so sick to my stomach, I felt so sick and it was like it was like October 7th again, and it was just like a reminder that we're living, like I feel like I'm living in this like alternate universe of, like, you know, my life is joyful and I have my beautiful family and I'm healthy and I'm, you know, and I'm feeling all this great gratitude and just you know, hanging out with my kids. But then there's this alternate side of like horror and trauma and, you know, seeing these images and, as a mother of two girls, I put myself in the shoes of the mothers who've seen these images and I just I felt so sick to my stomach and you know, all day I've been kind of, like I posted something on my Instagram like I'm angry, like I'm angry at the like, all these feminists, all these feminist groups, who've been completely silent, going as far as justifying, you know, what happened to these women. And like what happened to me too, what happened, what happened to standing against rape and violence against women. Like what happened, what happened. Like because they're Jews, it's justified because they're Israelis, Like it just put me in such a fit of rage and just so much anger and resentment towards, specifically towards the feminist community who are mothers, who are, you know, women who have gone through horrible things themselves, not stand up and not say, you know, celebrities who have stood up for other causes.

Speaker 1: 6:14

And just the silence and seeing these images and we're still we're going on three months, like it, just I'm filled with anger and I don't even know what to do with the anger and my issue that I was having today is that anger was spilling into other sides of other avenues in my life. You know what I mean. Like, just, you know Noah's being kind of annoying. I'm like I guess you know she starts hitting me and, like you know, she's a toddler. Obviously I'm not angry at her, but I feel, I felt feel anger, you know, or like something I worked and like go as as planned. I felt like just this, just boiling anger that I want to just scream, you know, and then it almost like it was to a point where I was like on social media, I was like I'm going to say something that I'm going to regret, like what is happening to me, you know, I feel like this anger has taken, taken over my body. So, yeah, that's what's happening to me in a nutshell, you know.

Speaker 2: 7:17

Yeah, that's a tough energy to spend a day in, for sure, and I guess the question is like what can you do with that? What can you do about it, what can you feel in an effort to not live in that place for longer than you have to? Like you said, you wanted to scream, like what is preventing you from just I don't know, I guess it's not a natural thing for me.

Speaker 1: 7:46

It is to just scream into a pillow. You know what I mean.

Speaker 2: 7:49

Yeah, it's not a natural thing for a lot of people, but what becomes natural, for a lot of people is getting sick and cancer becomes normal and disease based on the energy that we store in our body and we don't allow ourselves to express it, becomes so can you elaborate this?

Speaker 1: 8:05

And I'm sure a lot of people feel anger could be because of the war, could be because of other reasons in life. We all get angry, right, which is a natural feeling, but I think with women specifically, it's hard for us to get in touch with that anger and like let it out because we're taught to suppress it.

Speaker 2: 8:23

Yeah, this is not gender specific. I mean, I only work with men, but men from a very young age are taught that channeling our anger is violent, that man up right Men don't cry, I mean, another emotional expression that we've been taught is something that we're not supposed to do. So it's certainly not a gender specific thing, but there are ways and it's as simple as letting it out in a controlled environment with the proper context, the proper safety, like I wouldn't just walk into a room with me and Noah and rage, which is what we call it in our community is raging and the literal physiology behind it that we use and that we're taught is that there is a specific spot in the back of your neck between two vertebrae I think it's like C2 and C3 or something like that.

Speaker 2: 9:25

If you put your fingers behind your neck, you're going to feel like when you put your head down, you're going to feel a little bulge pop out behind your neck. It's your vertebrae right. So if you put your fingers right on that spot, that is where we store the emotion of rage, when we don't let it out, and then what we do is we tuck our chin down to our chest and then we just we rage, we don't scream, we literally let out the sound that's being stored inside of our vertebrae, inside of our spine, and we just rage. You can do it into a pillow, like at some point when you have like a mastery over it and access to it. You can do it silently. You don't have to do it out loud, but out loud is the most effective way to do it.

Speaker 2: 10:07

But it is literally you put your finger down, put your fingers on your vertebrae, tuck your chin and then you just rage and you rage until it's gone, like you don't just yell and then keep yelling. You hold the sound, the energetic resonance of rage, all the way out into the very end, until there's nothing left right. So then it's not stored in your body, like when I say scream into a pillow. That's what I mean. Let out that rage, because if you don't, you stuff it down and then it spills out everywhere else. Or it doesn't spill out and it becomes bound energy inside your body and turns into disease.

Speaker 1: 10:47

I mean it's a weird feeling for me. I don't feel anger that often. It's unfamiliar in a way and obviously it's important to feel like you're allowed to feel anger. It's a natural human feeling. But I think, being a former people pleaser and just like catering to other people, I never really was in touch with that part of me and today the feeling of anger just totally over. But when I do feel anger it overtakes me. You know what I mean. It just like it like bottles up, bottles up and then it just like explodes.

Speaker 1: 11:25

And that's how it kind of felt, like today, the images that I saw. It was obviously a buildup of the past, like three months, of the things that I'm seeing and just what's happening, and it kind of bottled up and bottled up and then that was kind of like the last straw of like I am so mad, I'm so angry, I feel so let down by a lot of people. But today, specifically women, the feminist community that I've aligned myself my whole life, that I thought I was in alignment with that. I always stood up for injustices, I went to all the women marches and I always thought, like you know, I'm part of something, I'm part of something and this is for my daughter's future that we're all going to fight in solidarity. We're going to be together, we're going to fight for equality, we're going to fight against the patriarchy and toxic masculinity and we're going to reclaim our womanhood and reclaim our power. And the past couple of months have completely devastated me, because that is not the ideology that I subscribe to. You know that women are silent.

Speaker 2: 12:53

Do you think that there is? Do you think it is possible that this is a version of toxic femininity?

Speaker 1: 13:04

Absolutely Okay, absolutely.

Speaker 2: 13:06

Go on that.

Speaker 1: 13:09

Being a feminist is not selective. You don't select who you fight for. You know what I mean. Like, oh, rape is not okay unless you're a Jew, unless you're Israeli. You know what I mean? That makes no fucking sense.

Speaker 2: 13:24

So why do you think that line is there?

Speaker 1: 13:26

I think there's a combination of reasons. I don't believe that all feminists are yeah.

Speaker 2: 13:35

We can clarify, Right? I think the thing that you don't mean the entirety of the feminist movement is silent, right? Right, it's a large portion 95% of the Okay.

Speaker 1: 13:45

So we know, we know you don't mean literally everything. Yeah, I would say 95% are silent, right. So I think I would say I'm going to say 50-50. 50% are silent because they don't want to deal with the backlash of the pro-Palestinian movement.

Speaker 2: 14:04

Yeah, so you're going to be Weinstein versus an actor who's trying to get her big break, which is easy. That's the easy one.

Speaker 1: 14:14

So the fact that it's taken the UN three months to say something when there is literal how much more fucking proof do you want? And that is so dehumanizing, Since when I thought we were supposed to believe all women, believe all victims, and the fact that people are going on, the there was an article in the New York Times recently again took three fucking months and the comments are atrocious. People are like where's the proof? So you want, Did you want, actual videos of women being raped? The problem, you know why there's no proof? Because these women are dead. They were murdered.

Speaker 1: 14:50

There was enough evidence that rape was used as a tactic of war, that it happened in many instances. These poor women who were held hostages. They have been also raped and sexually assaulted. There was a report saying that between the ages of 12 to 45, if they were held captive, they were assaulted in some shape or form. The fact that people are asking for more proof number one the silence of women's organization, because they're so afraid that they're going to call out these atrocities and the pro-Palestinian movement is going to come at them they will 100 percent Right, but that just boils my blood.

Speaker 1: 15:48

It boils my blood. It's unfathomable. Standing up against rape should not take away from fighting for Palestinians. It should not.

Speaker 2: 16:01

Agreed.

Speaker 1: 16:03

You can fight for Palestinian liberation and freedom, and all that while also condemning rape and condemning a terrorist organization that doesn't give a fuck about freedom. That's what makes me so mad. All these feminists, angelina Jolie who would speak in front of the UN about rape being used as an act of war and how she is against it, but suddenly she's silent. All these women I just feel I don't know. I feel betrayed. I feel and I'm not the only one, I think every Jewish woman who's identified as a feminist, who stood up for every marginalized group, we feel abandoned. It's like, oh, if this were to happen to me, if I was raped God forbid or if I was kidnapped, people would justify it and that's what, and I think being angry at this is legitimate, so yeah.

Speaker 2: 17:29

Being angry is certainly legitimate, but at some point you need to ask yourself how is the anger serving you? And if the answer is yes, in what way? And the answer is no, what's next? Because just being angry yeah, I know, I know, I mean I don't know what to do with it.

Speaker 1: 18:03

I don't. I feel like I think part of the anger is that I feel helpless. I feel like I can't do anything. You know what I mean. I feel like I can't. I don't know. I feel completely helpless, aside from trying to educate a few people who are willing to listen, aside from advocating for women and getting involved locally in my community and teaching my girls about our history and how important it is.

Speaker 2: 18:35

But you know donating.

Speaker 1: 18:37

Yeah, I mean, I'm doing what I can, like I am, but then there's a side of me that's like afraid for my daughter's future as Jewish girls. They are Jewish girls, you know. Yeah, I think about them and it feels I feel helpless.

Speaker 2: 19:01

I mean as helpless as you say you feel. You did rattle off like four to five things that are very important and do move the conversation in a positive direction, that are helpful. And while I understand the trigger of all this is obviously the you know the new footage of the four young women that was released today, but it doesn't change the impact that you're able to have and if it was nothing but raising our daughters as proud Jewish women, that would be massive.

Speaker 1: 19:50

Think about who your mom raised right and the impact that you're able to have and the crazy thing is is like I don't remember if I mentioned this or not, but my whole life my mother and my grandmother would both drill in my head to like you're Jewish, you know there's anti-Semitism, people hate Jews. You know they talked to, you know my grandmother was a Holocaust survivor. She talked about the Holocaust and and you know she came to my school and spoke about it. I felt like you know, I was like, oh, they're so paranoid, you know they're so paranoid and they're making me like anxious about it and they're just like constantly talk about it and I was like, no, there's, you know it's. You know it's 1990, whatever, like 2000, something. Like you know, we fight for injustice, we fight for equality, we fight against racism. Yeah, of course there's the KKK and the far right and they're not so nice, but like I think in general people don't hate Jews. You know, like I was kind of living in this like naive world and then, you know, growing up I would deal with micro, mini, micro aggressions, like anti-Semitic comments, but like I always was like, oh, it's just a joke. You know like I never like took it seriously because I think Jews feel uncomfortable being you know, quote, unquote victims. You know what I mean.

Speaker 1: 21:17

But now, looking back, I've dealt with a lot of anti-Semitism. I've heard it all. Oh you're Jewish, you don't look Jewish. Oh, you're Jewish. I heard Jewish girls are really good at giving blowjobs. Oh, you're Jewish. You must be so good with money. You must be really good at business, oh you're. Oh, don't Jew me. Are you doing me? I can fucking go on. But I always was like, oh, it's just a joke, you know, it's just a joke. And I wish I would have been like no, you shouldn't say that. I wish I stood up for myself because we normalized it. I'm not saying it's our fault, you know, here I am like victing, blaming, but I'm saying that we normalized it. We normalized it and now people feel so comfortable with being anti-Semitic they don't even understand what they're saying.

Speaker 1: 22:09

And you know, my whole life I was warned about this, my whole life. And I feel like I was so naive and I was so like oh, love, everybody loves each other. A piece of love. We're all together, we're all going to fight for, you know, for equality, blah, blah, blah. You know, and that's why, blindly, I stood for every marginalized group, everybody, even when it was very uncomfortable for me. I feel uncomfortable going to protests and I overcame that because I knew it was important Every protest throughout the years and I took time to educate myself and learn and listen to other marginalized groups and what they're feeling and what they're going through.

Speaker 1: 22:56

Was I perfect? No, I'm not perfect. I guess I expected the same thing to happen after October 7th. But then I see people, my peers, people that I've done business with that. I've had conversations with post shit that blows my mind, not even asking me an actual Jew. I've heard people tell me to educate myself, people who are not Jewish, not Palestinian. They're telling me that I need to educate myself as a Jewish, israeli person. We live in the upside down world, going off on a tangent. But this is all just coming out and this is just how I feel today. I don't feel good. Some days I feel I can manage my feelings a little bit better and I can focus on the task at hand and focus on my family and try to be in a place of gratitude and just moving forward and doing the things that I can. And then there are other days, like today, where I've just On one.

Speaker 2: 24:09

Yeah, yeah, it's okay. Just turn on the faucet and let it all out.

Speaker 1: 24:19

And there's another aspect of all of this that angers me even more is that the Palestinian people deserve better. This pro-Palestinian movement doesn't care actually about Palestinian lives, and I wrote some notes. I wrote some notes because there's too many. It's a letter to a pro-Palestinian protesters.

Speaker 2: 24:47

You wrote a letter.

Speaker 1: 24:48

I wrote a letter.

Speaker 2: 24:49

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 24:50

Dear pro-Palestinian protesters, if you truly cared about Palestinians' rights, safety and freedom, then where were you when more than 4,000 Palestinians were slaughtered in Syria during the civil war? Where were you when 850,000 Palestinians were displaced during the Syria war? Where were you when the Lebanese militias killed over 2,500 refugees in camps? Where were you when two Palestinians were brutally publicly executed for allegedly corroborating with Israel? Where were you when innocent people were beheaded in Gaza for being gay? Where were you when Hamas waged a war with Israel that caused this horrific war? Where were you when Hamas steals? Where were you when Hamas steals and continues to steal humanitarian aid? Where were you when Hamas leaders are billionaires and the people of Gaza living in poverty and these Hamas billionaires are living in Qatar, spending all the money that you're donating to the cause? Where were you when Palestinian children are being indoctrinated and sent to military training camps to learn the values of Jihad? Where were you when 140 Palestinian children died while building Hamas underground tunnels? Where were you when Palestinian children are being used as human shields to protect Hamas fighters? Where were you when Hamas misfired a rocket that landed in the parking lot of the Al-Shifa hospital, killing its own civilians? Where were you when Hamas murdered the very people on the borders of Israel and Gaza that fought for peace with the Palestinian people, that volunteered to drive Palestinians sick with cancer to Israeli hospitals? Where were you when Hamas uses hospitals, schools, mosques, civilian homes as military bases?

Speaker 1: 26:34

Do you actually care about the Palestinian people or is your activism under the guise of Jew hatred? That's what pisses me off, because you know, I spent since I'm 13 years old fighting for Palestinian equality, for a two-state solution. I was a peacenik. I was one of those people who, like the people who lived on the border of Gaza, wanted a better future, wanted to live side by side. I echoed the sentiment of more than 60% of Israelis that wanted peace at the time. Do I agree with Bibi Netanyahu and the far-right policy? No, I don't. I don't. And seeing these pro-Palestinian protesters cause a ruckus everywhere and shut down bridges and shut down tunnels, calling for a ceasefire, while under the same breath calling for the intifada, calling for the murderers of Jews and basically for Israel to completely cease to exist, it makes me again so angry, because I do believe the Palestinian people deserve better and my rant is over.

Speaker 2: 27:56

Well, I don't think that a large swath of this groundswell of protesting is necessarily aligned with Jew hatred specifically. There's certainly some of that, but a lot of this are people looking for significance, people looking for identity, people looking for a cause, people looking for community and going about it in a very disruptive, destructive way. Like a lot of that is what's happening right now.

Speaker 1: 28:30

Yeah, but I understand what you're saying, but to me, I don't think that a large swath of this groundswell of protesting is necessarily aligned with Jew hatred. The it's calling for the destruction of Israel is Jew hatred, because you're calling for the destruction of the only Jewish state in the world. I I understand that, but the only safe place for Jews, and To me that equates.

Speaker 2: 28:52

To you.

Speaker 1: 28:52

that equates Okay, so where do they want Jews to go?

Speaker 2: 28:54

Okay, let's say nothing to do with that. It has nothing to do with that because they're not going into this thinking it through.

Speaker 1: 29:01

They grabbed no they clearly don't, because you you go, you see these interviews of people going, of people at these protests, right and there there's tons of interviews and people asking them really basic questions.

Speaker 2: 29:13

Right about the conflict.

Speaker 1: 29:13

They under don't understand what they're talking about.

Speaker 2: 29:16

So it would be hard for them to understand the full scope of what's happening and then join up because, oh, I hate Jews too. Right, it's not about Hating Jews. For a lot of these people, it's about looking for a club. It's about putting on a uniform and having a connection.

Speaker 1: 29:33

I hope you're right. I hope you're right.

Speaker 2: 29:35

I Hope you're right there are certainly a percentage of people that are doing this because they are anti-semitic, without a doubt, but a lot of this is Repackaged to BLM energy.

Speaker 1: 29:48

So how do you, how do you explain the denying of rape and and the host denying of hostages taking down posters of Jewish?

Speaker 2: 29:59

hostages. You're on the side that is Supporting the rape and torture of innocent civilians. That's not a fun team to be a part of yeah. But if enough people can convince you that it didn't happen, or Israel's liars, which isn't hard to do, right, I've been on tick-tock. Yeah like you see how easy it is to slip into Pro-Palestinian tick-tock when you're clearly Jewish and Israeli.

Speaker 2: 30:21

Yeah, like, imagine being somebody that has no dog in the fight. Yeah, hopping on there and being brainwashed into bleep. Well, maybe it isn't true, maybe that didn't happen, maybe they did make it up. Maybe, like, it's not that hard to convince somebody.

Speaker 1: 30:33

You're a hundred percent right, and I actually took a screenshot of a post from a Feminist group that's that's against anti-semitism. Obviously they're called feminists against anti-semitism. There you go.

Speaker 1: 30:47

They posted. Why are they going to do so much trouble to disprove that Israelis were raped on October 7th? Because if Israelis were raped on October 7th, the narrative that Israelis are always the oppressors and never the victim is destroyed. If people see Israelis as victims and Palestinians as perpetrators, then people may start to question other parts of their narrative. This is why they won't stop at anything to disprove what we know to be true.

Speaker 2: 31:09

Right, you, you can't be on the side of justice and the side of rape at the same time. Right Like you. You, you have to believe that it didn't happen, or you at least have to be able to convince yourself that it might not have Happened. And somebody's lying, and where's the proof it's? It's less to do with whether Jewish. So even if it did happen, fuck them, it's, it's a matter of like. Well, I don't really know that it did happen, because you get enough people in your saying that you're, you're supposedly on the side of the oppressed Right, and if the oppressed are now raping and torturing in its innocent people, then now you don't know what to believe. So you have to compartmentalize and say that's probably didn't happen.

Speaker 1: 31:52

Yeah, well, I feel better. I mean, it's just like a con, it's a just a thing that is constantly on my mind. I try to focus on other things because, you know, life, life goes on, but it's just always there. Yeah, it's a dark cloud that follows me everywhere, and I think today was just one of those days where I just felt all the feelings and I felt all of this, and this directly impacts me and this is something that I wake up every day thinking about and I go to sleep thinking about and, obviously, as a mom of two girls, you know, seeing those photos and just putting myself in the position of the moms who have seen these photos.

Speaker 1: 32:45

I can't, I can't, I can't imagine, can't imagine the pain and the horror like I can't. Like. How do you sleep at night? How do you eat? How do you? If, god forbid, that was one of my kids, I would be marching into Gaza. I like, with, with web. I don't know what I would do. I don't know what I would do. I don't know what I would do, you know, and, yeah, get caught up in the feelings.

Speaker 2: 33:17

Yeah, sometimes you just gotta let it out.

Speaker 1: 33:21

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 33:21

Well.

Speaker 1: 33:23

So are we screaming in pillows now.

Speaker 2: 33:26

Screaming in pillows, screaming in your arm. There's lots of ways to do it, but I would, yeah, 100%. So, whether it's this or something else, like you're always gonna, things are gonna piss you off long after this war is over.

Speaker 1: 33:41

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 33:43

It's a good skill to have.

Speaker 1: 33:44

I need to get with the anger, yeah, because it feels like it's coming up more and more, and the more I push it down, the more it wants to come out.

Speaker 2: 33:54

It'll spill over.

Speaker 1: 33:56

And I take it down on the people I love the most. You know I'm home and I'm with my kids and I get triggered by something and at least I'm aware of it. I took it out on you a little bit. You want to tell everybody what happened.

Speaker 2: 34:14

I mean real quickly, before we have to wrap it up. Okay, sure, I was waiting to eat and you and Mia wanted to eat before I had a phone call and I was gonna wait till I have the phone call, no big deal. So I was watching and I guess I'll put air quotes around watching Noah.

Speaker 1: 34:30

He was on his phone. He was not watching Noah.

Speaker 2: 34:33

She was doing whatever the fuck she wanted, and you pretend that you were never on your phone when you're watching Noah. Let's reel it in a bit. And Noah is like she's just wandering around the dining room just screaming.

Speaker 1: 34:47

Yeah, Can we take? Okay, so we need to take five minutes and talk about toddler life Do.

Speaker 2: 34:51

I get to tell my story. Okay, yeah, tell your story. And she's just yelling Like she hasn't done anything. She's not falling, she didn't run anything. She's just like kind of looking at me and screaming.

Speaker 1: 35:00

She's bored. She wants you to pay attention to her.

Speaker 2: 35:03

Yeah, and I'm looking at a screaming baby and I have nothing to do, and so you look over. You're trying to eat in peace in the living room, which is the whole point. Was you take care of her while you could just eat, because I'm not?

Speaker 1: 35:15

eating.

Speaker 2: 35:16

Yeah, great. So that's about as far as I got.

Speaker 1: 35:19

I just wanted. I wanted five minutes to watch Real Housewives of Beverly Hills eat my. I made Israeli food as like a warming little like present to myself and the baby is screaming her fucking face off. He's just standing there on his phone. Yes, obviously I'd get annoyed.

Speaker 2: 35:36

Because here's the thing If you don't let it out, what do you mean? If I don't let her express herself? She's going to be taught that it's not okay to have her emotions.

Speaker 1: 35:50

Are you serious? Are you fucking serious? I'm dead serious. I am tying this all together with a meat little bone. Are you fucking serious?

Speaker 2: 35:58

right now I'm saying that if I don't allow my daughter to express herself when she feels the need to express, herself.

Speaker 1: 36:04

I can't believe you're doing this right now she is going to learn that it's not okay.

Speaker 2: 36:09

All right, and the cycle will continue. You're welcome.

Speaker 1: 36:15

I cannot believe you just said that I'm in shock, I'm in, I'm in shock. Anyway, I'm sorry if this was a heavy episode. I hope we ended it on a little bit of a lighter note. But this is life, this is. You know, we're sharing our life and it's what's happening. Speaking of, I think I hear her screaming- oh shit. See you guys next week. We have a special guest next episode. Special guest we're very excited to have him.

Speaker 2: 36:42

If we could put out two episodes in a row, as as meant to be, then that would be great.

Speaker 1: 36:46

So we're not going to say the name right now because I don't want it to like. He's awesome, fucked up. I'm so excited to have it. Yeah, it's going to be a really good episode. It's going to be funny. There's going to be some comedy. We're still going to be talking a little bit about the conflict A little Jewish as well, a little Jewish as well but we're excited to have him a little comedy relief. Thank you for listening, gooses.

Speaker 2: 37:08

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