Lynn & Tony Know
Lynn & Tony Know
It is Still 10/7/23
What if confronting trauma could lead to greater resilience? This episode commemorates the one-year anniversary of the Hamas attacks on Israel, a day etched in memory for its heartbreak and chaos. We recount the personal stories of survivors and those affected by the ongoing violence, including the recent missile attack from Iran. Through these narratives, we grapple with the emotional aftermath and the public's challenging responses, while urging listeners to critically evaluate the sources of their information amidst a polarized media landscape.
Join us as we navigate the intricate web of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict from a deeply personal perspective. Growing up in Israel and engaging with Palestinian peers, we have faced backlash and threats for vocalizing support for Israel's right to exist. This episode tackles the misconceptions surrounding the conflict, emphasizing that it's against organizations, not individuals. We highlight the importance of fostering a nuanced understanding of the Middle Eastern political landscape, and the personal toll of advocating for peace in a world riddled with misinformation.
Reflecting on Jewish identity and the resilience required to thrive amid adversity, we delve into the complexities of navigating trauma and trust issues. The constant uncertainty has altered relationships and perspectives, making self-reliance and routine critical anchors. Despite the challenges, there is a hopeful belief in the wisdom gained, and a readiness to embrace a redefined sense of normalcy. As we look towards the future, we aim to balance serious themes with lighter content, maintaining authenticity while offering hope and resilience as we face whatever comes next.
Your hosts: @lynnhazan_ and @tonydoesknow
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okay, um, welcome back. This is being released on october 7th, 2024, so it has been, as of today, a year since the horrific attacks on Israel from Hamas that saw the murder of several thousand Jewish people stolen from their homes, stolen from the music festival and, more than likely, unless things change in the coming days, there are still over 100 innocent men, women and small children still being held captive in Gaza right now. We wanted to release something that sort of honored the one-year mark, something we certainly hoped we would never have to do, but we are, and it's been the longest year, but also still feels like yesterday that we woke up on a Saturday morning to the news of the attack. I mean, it really feels like a month ago and 10 years ago all at the same time, like linear time does not apply to what the experience has been for us, for the community, for us, for the community. So with that, uh, I don't know exactly where this will go, um, but we're going to give it our best shot and see where it takes us. And, um, we're also ironically or not ironically, we are recording this on October 1st.
Speaker 1:It's about seven hours after Iran launched 180 ballistic missiles at the state of Israel, many of which landed in some versions, some were shrapnel landed, some actually hit directly into Israel. Thank God no Israelis were killed in the attack, although there was a terrorist attack simultaneously that seems to be it's hard to say if it was coordinated or not but did take the lives of six innocent Israelis. And then there was a Palestinian in Jericho that was killed by the shrapnel of one of the IRGC's missiles. So a very heavy day that is commemorating a very heavy year. It was a very intense two hours to see and to know, in this case, unlike in April when Iran launched their barrage of rockets.
Speaker 1:Those were different, because those were drones, those were cruise missiles, they were not ballistic missiles that can cover the ground between Tehran and Israel in 12 minutes. The other ones in April, take much longer. You have much more heads up and they're easier to deal with. Regardless, either one is an act of war, essentially against the state of Israel, and this one will likely prove, by the time we release this podcast, to be an escalation that Israel will respond to in a very powerful way. And who knows where we'll be in the next five days. But here we are a year later, nonetheless still dealing with the day-to-day violence, war, trauma, anxiety, intensity that has not given much room for light or real hope to see the light at the end of the tunnel at all, aside from a few moments of joy where either the hostage was released, some were rescued. Beyond that, the joyous moments from this are few and far between.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, very well said, I think, a lot about the night before. It was Friday night and it's interesting because we weren't doing Shabbat like pretty regularly. But that night we had Shabbat dinner and we had some friends over and I decided to make like an Israeli meal. I don't know, I just decided like I wanted just to make schnitzel and Israeli salad and hummus and pita and just like have a good time with friends and we had a really good night.
Speaker 1:Amazing night.
Speaker 2:And I remember going to sleep that night like just feeling good, and then Saturday morning I think, you got out of bed. You went. Noah woke up.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And I looked on my phone. I had hundreds of missed messages and calls and I didn't know it was. I couldn't, you know, catch my bearing and but I saw one message and I don't know why, but it stood out to me and it was a message of my group chat. Girls that I grew up with when I lived in Israel were on a group chat and one of them sent a message like sending you all hugs. And I don't know why, but that's when I knew that something awful happened. I don't know why. It was just like, like, just sent, seeing that message, sending you all hugs, hope everyone's okay. My, I like I remember my heart sinking. And that's when I opened the new, you know the news and saw everything that was going on and I couldn't believe it. I couldn't believe it and no, right away, called my parent, my parents they were in Israel at the time called my sister Um, couldn't reach my sister, messaging Like it, just like it's so much going on. You know, you, I have so many people that I love in Israel and it's just like and I'm trying to figure it out Like what was going on, like I saw, I remember I saw one video of Hamas terrorists, like shooting at people in the street and people being taken hostage. It was like a barrage of horrible images as I opened my eyes on a Saturday morning and then we saw like images from Nova and I was like Lee, my niece. She's 26 years old and she loves to go party and she loves to go to raves and, and right away I Lee's okay, you know. But then she said, you know, a lot of her friends are missing and it was just all this stuff going on and it was so overwhelming and it just feels like since that morning, every single morning, I wake up and I experience it again in some form or way. I experience trauma every single day and I'm expecting bad news every single day. And the worst part of of that first day was when I was kind of re-reporting what was going on in the news.
Speaker 2:Right away, in my messages, in my DMs, people were saying that Israel is committing genocide and saying all these things about Israel and all that, basically that we had it coming, that we deserve, basically that we deserve this, or what about? People were what abouting? What about Palestinians? And I obviously didn't have the time and the energy and space to respond to these people I just like blocked right away. But I couldn't believe that most of the messages that I was getting from people was that was hate and very little messages asking me if my family is okay. There were, and of course, there were, a ton of people that reached out to ask me if my parents were okay, if my sister was okay, and I'm very thankful for those people, but I'm, I was horrified at the amount of people that reached out to ask me if my parents were okay, if my sister was okay, and I'm very thankful for those people, but I'm, I was horrified at the amount of people who, while my niece was still searching for her friends, while we were figuring out that everybody was safe, while attacks were still going on, at this point, people were what abouting, were what abouting and and repeating all this Hamas propaganda, and I couldn't believe it and it was heartbreaking.
Speaker 2:And then I and then started, and then it was just, you know, the next, the first two months of, uh, from October to December. I don't even remember. It's almost where I was like here, but I was. I was a shell of myself. Yeah, the amount of of trauma, and you know it's it's, it's like seeing the Holocaust live on social media. You know it's like seeing the Holocaust live on social media and then seeing the world not give a fuck about you, not give a fuck about the hostages.
Speaker 2:Or worse, yeah, and then this last year and it's like and I say this all the time I live like a parallel, I live parallel lives, like I have this part of me that's in constant grief and trauma and just horror, like just constant. And then there's the other side of me that's with Noah and going to the park and looking up at the sun and looking at nature and making love with my husband and the beauty of life right, but deep down there's this trauma and guilt and shame and every possible feeling that you could possibly feel, a negative feeling, and it's been heartbreaking. It's been heartbreaking being Jewish and being Israeli and being villainized and being called a baby killer and being called all these horrible things. Because I'm proud to be Jewish, because I'm proud to be Israeli, I don't have an Israeli passport. I lived in Israel six years. Others people could say you're not Israeli, you were born in fucking Canada. What are you in Israel? But I feel Israeli. I've always felt Israeli.
Speaker 2:I grew up in an Israeli home. My grandparents survived the Holocaust and the only country that would take them was Israel. My, my grandparents, on my father's side, escaped Morocco when he was eight years old, with nothing, with only the shirt on his back and the only country that would take him was Israel. My father fought two wars and my father was a musician. He had no interest in being in the IDF, but the IDF is at 18, you are forced to serve in the military, and my father had to fight in two wars and God knows what he saw.
Speaker 2:So, yes, I am proud of where I come from.
Speaker 2:I am proud of the Jewish nation, am proud of the Jewish nation and to see people villainize a country that I love so much and it's not perfect and I discussed this in previous time. I've been protesting Bibi Netanyahu since I'm 13 years old, literally, you know, I'm not necessarily like, like I'm not happy necessarily with my government in America or like, or I was in Canada, right, does it mean that I'm not proud of of being Israeli and Jewish? I am very proud and I always will be, and no matter how unpopular it is and no matter how many horrible words people will call me, I will never, never, turn my back on my country, ever, ever, and I want peace more than anybody, and I've always, and this is my life, this is literally my life. And to see Americans light this is literally my life and to see Americans you know with from fucking butt, fuck nowhere or whatever, who have no skin in the game, who have never been to the Middle East, who've made the pro-Palestinian cause their whole fucking personality, it's so it makes me sick.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Because they don't care about Palestinian lives. They don't care, they're just leeched themselves onto a cause because it's trendy and popular, Dehumanizing Israelis, dehumanizing Jews that our lives don't matter. I've been. I just I've been called every horrible fucking name and like, and it's almost like, to a point where it doesn't sting anymore.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You know it doesn't sting anymore.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And sometimes I try to find the silver lining. And the silver lining is getting closer to my faith, getting closer to being Jewish, it's getting closer to my family. Right, it's finding my community in Jersey, the Jewish community, and taking out the trash. Yeah, in Jersey, the Jewish community, and taking out the trash. Yeah, the universe has taken out the trash.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So much trash.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the friend group is smaller. There are people that I would not consider myself close with anymore, that I may have considered beforehand. And what has been the most shocking to me, especially as somebody who came into this conflict, a relatively blank slate, right, I didn't know that. I was aware of the of, of the tension between the two groups. I mean, it was literally, I think, the day before our first trip to Israel when there was a shooting on Dizengoff, which is the like the main street and one of the main streets where people hang out, the bars and stuff in Tel Aviv. There was a shooting, a terrorist attack in Dizengov. So it was always a thing.
Speaker 1:And then, both times we went, we didn't go to the old city of Jerusalem just because tensions were high, for whatever reason.
Speaker 1:Well, we go during the holidays and during the holidays. The tensions seem to flare up a little bit more. During the holidays and during the holidays, the tensions seem to flare up a little bit more. So, going into this relatively a blank slate, what I found so shocking with people that I know that, when confronted about sharing misinformation from sources that are that are are wildly biased against Israel, the staunchness with which they defend their ill-conceived positions, the rebuttals rebuttals that you would not see in any other moment like this in history, where if a black person said to you during Black Lives Matter, during COVID, hey, what you're sharing is harmful to our people, I would like you to take some consideration about what you're sharing before you share it, you wouldn't go. No, I think I'm going to do it anyway, because this seems pretty right and I think I'm more correct than you are. A person with lived experience is telling me and this is not just like a one-off thing this is across the board with people that.
Speaker 1:I know personally, with very few exceptions and there are exceptions there have been people that have listened, that have taken recommendations for books and read them and said, hey, thank you for letting me know about this book. I really appreciate it, but that is the exception to the rule that seems to be. That is the exception to the rule that seems to be. I just read an article and I have a friend that told me X, y, z and I know more than you now. Yeah, almost across the board.
Speaker 1:It's, it's like from people that I've had people tell me to educate myself.
Speaker 2:I grew up in this conflict right.
Speaker 2:Not only did I live in Israel, I was also part of an exchange program with Palestinian students. You know I was volunteering for Meretz, which is the most leftist political organization in Israel. Like as leftist and as progressive as you can can possibly possibly. Yeah, I studied middle east history and my teacher was a christian egyptian. No bias there actually lean towards not loving israel so much, but I learned from him and so I know this conflict and seeing people in my dms who've, who I who've literally probably got their information from tiktok yeah but even from media.
Speaker 2:Look how, how, how. The new york times, obscure washington post, like the, like the.
Speaker 1:The bias is crazy they get accused of bias both ways. What's interesting about those is you literally have to go writer by writer, Like it's not one institution leaning one way or the other although some are for sure but it's like there are specific people that they allow to just write whatever trash they want and just publish it.
Speaker 2:Right, but it, but it's. What's crazy is that what happened to listening and learning right and no, and and I've tried to have constructive conversations with people and people will sometimes come to me in a respectful way and then they, as soon as they got my attention, they switch on me. You know what I'm saying and I've just it's not my job to educate you. It's not my job, like it's not, and I try to.
Speaker 2:I think I've done a good job in the past, like year, to try to educate people and and share sources that I, I, I trust, but it, it, the villainizing has not stopped and the amount of vitriol and hate and I, you know, I, I didn't share some of the stuff that we were dealing with. It was almost to a point where I had to file a police report. I've been, you know, I've been put on a list, on a Zionist list. It's absurd that this is the world we live in, it's 2024. And me being Jewish and be believing in Israel's right to exist and Israel right to defend himself has made me a genocidal baby killer.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And you know I'll post collaborations with other businesses and I'll get the most horrifying comments and thankfully, some of these businesses appreciate what I do and still respect me and respect my views to still hire me.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And I'm thankful for those little opportunities that I get, but it's definitely affected my bottom line. It's affected my business. I've lost thousands of followers because I believe in Israel's right to exist. I'm not the Israeli government. I don't have a direct line to Bibi Netanyahu where I can call him and be like hey, maybe you should think about your strategy a little bit differently. I have zero Jews, and Israelis have no control over what the government decides, have no control over what the government decides. You know what I mean. Nobody wanted this war, absolutely. I'm horrified for the people of Gaza. I'm horrified. It's horrifying. I don't want to see dead babies and all these things. Nobody wants to see death Like. It's not something that I want or any Jewish person wants. We do not celebrate death. We don't celebrate when people die. We celebrate when terrorists die, get killed. Yeah, you know, I posted something like a week ago when Nasrallah, who is a huge terrorist.
Speaker 1:One of the biggest.
Speaker 2:One of the biggest terrorists and Israel assassinated him and, yeah, I was happy about it and somebody called me disgusting. I'm disgusting, okay.
Speaker 1:Oh well. I guess I'm disgusting. Yeah, oh well. And what is becoming more clear, especially in the past I don't know, two weeks is now. What is ultimately happening is Israel is being backed into a corner where they are literally single-handedly going to recreate the Middle East, literally single-handedly going to recreate the Middle East.
Speaker 2:They are taking out the trash, they are curing the cancer of the Islamic regime and it is going to go down in history as one of the most sweeping reforms of the Middle East, and I want people to understand you know, if you know nothing about this conflict, Israel is not fighting against the Palestinian people. Israel is fighting Hamas.
Speaker 1:They're not fighting against the Lebanese people. Israel is not fighting against the Lebanese people.
Speaker 2:They're fighting against Hezbollah. Israel is not fighting against the Iranian people. They're fighting against the IRGC.
Speaker 1:They're not fighting against Yemen. They're fighting against the IRGC. They're not fighting against Yemen, they're fighting the Houthis.
Speaker 2:They're fighting radical Islamism, which nobody wants. All these pro-choice people that follow me, the liberals, the LGBTQ community trust me when I tell you you don't want Sharia law in our country.
Speaker 1:Unless you want to be dead, because that's what it boils down to. If you want to usher in your own execution, great go nuts. You don't have to wait, you can go over there, yeah. But that's not. That's not to say that israel wants war with any of these countries. We are not invading countries, we are at war with iranian proxies and, and the distinction between iran and the irgc needs to be made, because again, it's iran if you go back and look what iran was before the irgc took over it was a beautiful, beautiful, beautiful culture, beautiful country, modernized.
Speaker 2:Like living the life do you want to tell people how the irgc took over Iran? How did it happen?
Speaker 1:Colleges. It started.
Speaker 2:It started with the left.
Speaker 1:It started with the left and started with academia and propagandizing institutions of higher learning. I mean, this is how a lot of fascism starts. I mean, this isn't a one-off. This is like. This is how it starts. This is ding ding ding ding this is the blueprint. I mean it is not hard to draw a line from from 40, 50 years ago, young minds who aren't fully developed right tell them that their life is terrible, right that they need a change.
Speaker 1:Give them a sense of community, a sense of belonging, give them a uniform, give them the playbook, and then let them do the rest.
Speaker 2:Right, and then until it's too late.
Speaker 1:Right, but we've seen this movie and the adults in the room remember seeing this movie and aren't going to let it play out to the end again. And that's just the way it is. And at this point, israel's kind of said with or without you, we are going to do what is necessary to put a stop to this and you either get on board or you get out of the way. That's essentially what they've told the United States. They didn't inform them of the strike against the strike against Nasrallah. So no, we can't afford it yeah.
Speaker 2:No, it's afford yeah.
Speaker 1:There's always a leak in every blabber mouth and every friend group, and we're the blabber mouth.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I agree. I think Israel should do its own thing at this point and and because everybody telling us what to do, like we're cleaning up the world.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we don't need any anchors attached to our legs. And look what happens. Look at the speed and efficiency with which they operate, now that they don't give a fuck what anybody thinks, like the way that they have eliminated Hezbollah and crippled them in the matter of less than a month.
Speaker 2:And again, all of this is as a result of attacks. The war in Gaza is as a result of them still holding our hostages. It's a result of them murdering 1,200 people in the most horrible and horrifying way, coming into our most peaceful communities and killing the most peaceful of our residents. That is, in itself, a show that they do not want peace. There is no diplomacy with Hamas.
Speaker 1:Nope.
Speaker 2:And they embed themselves in humanitarian zones. They shoot rockets from humanitarian zones. They, you know, use their own people as human shields. And again and then the war. And what's happening in Lebanon is as a result of 11 months of nonstop rockets, 11 months.
Speaker 1:Something like 10,000 rockets.
Speaker 2:In what country in the world would withstand 11 months of nonstop rockets, right when 100,000 people had to evacuate their homes for 11 months?
Speaker 1:Right, and what part of Lebanon is Israel occupying?
Speaker 2:Nothing.
Speaker 1:What part of Yemen is Israel occupying?
Speaker 2:Exactly.
Speaker 2:So a year, a year of this, a year of this has elapsed, and you know, and we're labeled as the aggressor and we're fighting a war on seven fronts and we're the aggressor. You can't even see israel on the map. It's this fucking small. It's the size of new jersey. It's the size of new jersey. And we're the aggressor and we're the colonizers. There are are 22 Muslim countries. There is one Jewish nation. We just want everybody to leave us alone. That's it. We just want, we want to be able to live in our indigenous homeland. We want to live in peace. We want to. We want to be left alone and in return, we will innovate, we will build, we will. You know the COVID vaccine. How much, how much innovation has come out of this tiny fucking country. We will give back to the world. Just leave us alone.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because if you don't, they'll innovate in ways that will blow up your pagers.
Speaker 2:Which is crazy, and this shit makes me fucking proud. That whole thing with the beepers. How of a precise attack on hezbollah? Yeah, and, and what? And of course, the jew haters are they're mad when we're precise, right, they're mad when we're not precise. You know what is it gonna be Like? What's the way?
Speaker 1:The only way is to lay down and die.
Speaker 2:Yes, People love dead Jews.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the way is to lay down and die Love dead Jews Right.
Speaker 2:Well, we're not going anywhere.
Speaker 1:Nope.
Speaker 2:We've survived everything, and the more I like get deep into my Judaism and the more I learn about all the holidays and the more I learn about our history. You just open a book of Tehillim which is Psalms right, and it's constant stories of some schmuck.
Speaker 1:Resilience, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:You can't get rid of us.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:And it's kind of like my story as chickpea you can't get rid of us. No, and it's kind of like my story as chickpea you can't get rid of me. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:You'll leave on your own terms. No, not a moment before. Guess what. If you do end up leaving here, it'll probably be to go to Israel.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And they'll still be mad. Yeah.
Speaker 2:And they'll still be mad. And I and I think the silver lining for me in this year is just getting to a place of being comfortable being hate, like for years I struggle with people being people hating me, right. For a whole decade I've been in doing this, right, I've been on social media and I've been blogging and doing my thing and the haters always got to me almost to a point where I stopped. I mean, I stopped writing two years ago, right, I stopped doing something that I really truly loved because of the bullying. It was just. I got burnt out from it, right. But now, after a year, I'm kind of in a place where I'm like, ok, they hate me because they're anti-Semites. It was never personal.
Speaker 1:Sure.
Speaker 2:It was never really personal. They don't know me. They just see me as a Jew, as a Israeli and whatever tropes come with that, that I'm a gentrifier and that I'm what else All the things that they say right, and at the end of the day, I know who I am. I worked really hard to get to where I am. I still continue to work hard. Nothing is given to me on a silver platter. Nothing was given to my parents. My parents worked very hard to build a life that they have and I'm very inspired by them and I work really hard. I wake up every morning and I bust my ass for my clients and for my family and for my community, and I know who I am and people can call me all the things and it won't matter.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I sort of ripped that bandaid off just being in a band when I was 20 years old. It got kind of popular and then everybody tells you how shitty your music is. You read enough comments like that and you get over it you withstand pretty much anything, yeah and I'm proud.
Speaker 2:I'm proud to be jewish more than ever, more than ever. I'm proud to be part of this community and sometimes I'm like I look at the sky and I'm like Hashem why did you choose me to be a Jew? Why me? Why me 0.2. It's like winning the lottery, but like the opposite of winning the lottery. You know why me? Why, because it being a jew, comes with such a heavy, heavy emotional price yeah it being a jew I. I was born into this world with trauma in my bones and just even being just existing.
Speaker 2:I have trauma and the beginning. I don't think I shared this. Oh, maybe I shared this when we had Raquel. Remember Raquel?
Speaker 2:I did a breathwork workshop with her for like 30 minutes and I did breathwork and I had visions. And I had two visions and this was like a couple of weeks post October 7th, like I went there cause I wanted some like relief, you know, and during the breath work, like you can go into like a deep, trans or meditative state. And I had two visions and one of them I was in my Safda, my grandmother's body and I. I was on a horse and carriage and I felt the, like the, the horse, you know, like the, um, what's the noise that the horse does? Like the when they're walking, like a trotting, horse trot, horse trot, yeah, horse trot, horse trot, yeah. So I felt gallop, right. So I felt the, and I only saw my grandmother's eyes. She had beautiful green eyes and I felt her fear and I felt her hunger, a physical hunger that I've never experienced in my life literal like literal hunger.
Speaker 2:I felt her hunger and I felt her fear. And the second vision that I had it was my father, much younger 20, 18, 19, 20 years old, like very young, and all around him was rubble like a war zone, and that was in black and white. And I had these two visions and in the last year I think about those visions a lot Because I feel like it's trauma that wasn't processed before I was born and it's in me, it's in my body. Does that make sense?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, it makes all the sense in the world.
Speaker 2:And this is just from my father and my grandmother. And then there's years of my ancestors previous. It's never been easy for Jews and I can only imagine what they've been through, and I fear, are my daughters going to have this unprocessed trauma.
Speaker 1:Listen, can't worry about that. I mean some who knows. Yeah, you can only work through the things that you are afforded the ability to work through in this lifetime, and then whatever's left to sort out is for the next generation to sort out. It's kind of the way it is for anybody. You just are uniquely positioned with more than most.
Speaker 2:But the point is, I was already born into this world with all this stuff, and a lot of Jews who are listening to this, who have experienced this last year, also have it in them. Even the Jews that are anti-Zionist. That's a form of trauma. Yeah, their trauma is playing out in a different way. You know they're they're they're they want to assimilate so bad, they want to fit in, so bad that they're going against their own people.
Speaker 1:Yep.
Speaker 2:And this again. This has been played out multiple times in history.
Speaker 1:This is not new, not the first example.
Speaker 2:And, of course, those people piss me off, but I try to have empathy towards them, understanding that it is a, it's a form of, it's a trauma response. Trauma response, yeah Right, is wanting to fit in, is wanting to be accepted, is wanting to be part of something. Right that is popular.
Speaker 1:Yeah, self-preservation technique for sure, yeah, until it's not Ultimately, it works against any self-preservation as a whole. But you can understand where that line of thinking comes from. But regardless, one year, 100 plus hostages still that need to come home. At this point, the hostages returning likely does not end the fighting. It might end the fight, fighting in Gaza, which you know ultimately needs to happen. It needs to happen as quickly as the hostages are returned and Hamas puts down its weapons, like the that. That portion of this, this whole war can can be over with those two things in an instant. But the dominoes that have fallen, especially recently, have launched something bigger than that that I don't think the fighting stops altogether now. It's gone too far and for too long, and now Israel has to bag up the trash and actually take it out.
Speaker 2:It's crazy. You know. I part of me wishes that on October 8th the international community would would have went into the streets and demanded the hostages to be released.
Speaker 1:You know yeah, in the war, in the war in gaza would have been over and none of the rest of this would have happened. But a year out now, you know, part of me wants to believe that this played out exactly how it had to, regardless of the of the, the cost of life that it is costing and the cost of innocent life that it is costing.
Speaker 2:That's a it's a hard thing to say because and I understand what you're saying but you know, I think about, like Hirsch and I think about Hirsch's mother. You know these and all the 1200 people that, uh, you know we would just watch the documentary We'll dance. I watched the documentary We'll dance again on Paramount, highly recommend you watch it. It's about the Nova Nova festival and you watch it and it just I it's a straw, it's a struggle. Yeah, you know, and I know we talked about faith and hope and Judaism in the last episode, but it's something that I really struggle like, oh, it was meant to happen, this was meant to happen. You know how do you say that to family members of people who were brutally?
Speaker 1:murdered. It's way harder to do that, but it was meant to happen because it did. And I know that sounds callous, but if you are to lean into faith, as we have been doing more and more and I've been doing more even well before October 7th there's one thing that I know is that I know it was meant to happen because it did, because we can't just say that about the good things that happen and would I have a tough time sitting across from from Rachel Poland and saying that, yeah, but I would still believe it and having heard her speak multiple times, I would. I would say some part of her believes it too and I would have to believe it. If it was my kid, I would have to. I would go insane. And there are, you know, a hundred plus families that still still are dealing with that and I don't really know how to end this episode. If I'm being honest, I don't know what resolve looks like. We don't have it.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:We don't have resolve, so there isn't any. Yet it's like a day't have it. No, we don't have resolve, so there isn't any.
Speaker 2:Yet it's like a day-by-day thing and you know, today was horrible. It's like I always say, like I don't even have any tears left. After this year, I don't have tears left, and today I cried. After this year, I don't have tears left today and I, today I cried, seeing seeing the missiles you know hit and and seeing my family group chat and my sister asking if you know the kids are okay and um, it's just so intense.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was very intense, a couple of hours very intense and I and and I have to go about my day and I'm going on a work call and like somebody's like, oh, the weather's looking better, and I'm just like, yeah, you know, and it's just like a, it's like a living a parallel life, and it's really hard to go about my day. You know, it's really really hard. A lot of days I'm fake, really, faking it till.
Speaker 2:I make it, and I'm really like pushing through when I want to be curled up in a ball and watch the news. And that's just been the reality of the last year of how, how hard it's been.
Speaker 1:And I told you today, like my, my WhatsApp with, with Daniel, who's Israeli, who I work with in real estate. One message is hey, did XYZ happen with this property? Did we do that? Hey, did you see? 100 ballistic missiles are coming in? Yeah, it's crazy. Oh, by the way, did we get this done? Oh, my God, did you see the? It's psychotic. It's a psychotic way to exist and go about your day, and it's been like like every day you wake up with that possibility.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:It's crazy.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And it continues but all we can do is a show up, and it helps to talk about it, and it helps to it and it helps to be consistent in our routines and this is where trying to be healthy and be cold plunge. We got to get back on our cold plunging and just take it day by day.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know, that's where we're at and I can't believe it's october 7, 2023 yeah just we've been stuck in that on this date and in this date forever means this you know, like I hope to god that the war is over all of it, by the time this date rolls around next year. But but when the state rolls around next year, it will still bear the weight of what happened two years prior.
Speaker 2:No, I know that I'm never going to be the same person.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:That this has changed me in so many ways. Yeah, and I see the world differently. I see other people differently. I see other people differently. Yeah, I definitely don't trust as I used to. I don't have faith as I used to in terms of like other people, and I think that's going to be something hard for me, you know. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I do, but I think it's also somebody that I look up to. A lot says, if somebody asks him if he trusts them, he always says no, Right, Like do you trust me? And he's like no. And I'm like really. He's like yeah, no, why would I? He's like all I have to do is trust in my ability to, to trust my instincts about you.
Speaker 2:That's a good point.
Speaker 1:Which I think is what is sharpened in you and I think, is a better way to be. You don't have to trust somebody else. You don't have to trust anybody. You don't have to trust me. You don't have to trust your mom. You don't have to trust your dad. You have to trust in your ability to know what's right and wrong and know where to go.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:You trust in your instincts about other people. You don't have to put your trust in other people. I Okay.
Speaker 2:Bronx is different.
Speaker 1:This year has been a year unlike any other and we'll stand alone as a year unlike any other for what I imagine is the rest of our lives, For better or for worse. But I do believe that once we get a chance to recuperate from this at some point hopefully sooner than later we will understand that the wisdom and the lessons that we got out of it were valuable and will make us better people because of it. That's all we can do, yeah.
Speaker 2:And we'll get through. Can do yeah, and we'll get through this too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Okay. Well, we'll be back at it with I don't even know what I would call regular, regularly scheduled programming.
Speaker 2:Maybe something happier.
Speaker 1:Something happier.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, we'll see what we can do. I mean, we just released an episode about a TV show and then we come back with this Welcome to the ride. This is our life, this is it You're getting it and we keep it real. Yeah, all right, let's go to bed, okay, peace, peace.
Speaker 2:Okay, all right, bronxie, all right, let's go to bed okay, peace, peace, okay.
Speaker 1:All right bronxy, all right buddy.