The Heart of Money
Join financial coach, Christ follower, and owner of the Markley Coaching Group, Courtney Markley as she takes on tough money questions and delivers actionable guidance. Courtney's gentle but straightforward approach creates a safe, nonjudgmental space for people to talk about their money challenges. After coaching for several years, Courtney understands that money stress is usually a symptom of a deeper problem. Her approach to money will expand your understanding of how to succeed financially. You will gain tools needed to improve your money mindset while becoming someone who can have deeper, Christ-centered money discussions. Join Courtney in her mission to change the way we talk about money, one conversation at a time.
The Heart of Money
The Role of Financial Discipleship: A Conversation with Chris Kear
Could our approach to money be transformed by viewing it through the lens of discipleship? Join me, Courtney Markley, as I explore this fascinating intersection with Chris Kear, a seasoned expert in ministry, financial services, and education. Together, we're pioneering the Center for Financial Discipleship to weave financial discussions into spiritual growth. Chris brings his unique insights to the table, inviting listeners to consider how financial discipleship can reshape conversations about money as a vital part of our faith journey.
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I'm Courtney Markley, and this is the Heart of Money. Talking about money can be really hard and uncomfortable, but it doesn't need to be. The problem is, we're taught to think about money in terms that are too much like science, with rules and regulations, and not enough like psychology, with emotions and nuance. Join me on my mission to change the way we talk about money, one conversation at a time. Welcome everyone to the Heart of Money podcast. I'm your host, courtney Markley, and joining me today is a very special guest, chris Keer. Welcome, chris. Hey, courtney, so we're going to get into real quick who you are and why we're meeting. But real fast, I just have to call out.
Speaker 1:You know I have taken a little bit of a break from the podcast. Our last one was earlier this summer, and so people are probably wondering what's been going on and we have taken just a quick break, a little bit of a breather, because Chris and I have actually been working on a really, really special project. God is doing something super exciting and just last week we launched the Center for Financial Discipleship. So I had to take a quick break from the podcast for a moment to get the center up and running, and my very dear friend, chris, is coming alongside. We're working on this together, so I'm excited to introduce you to him, share what we got going on and today we're going to be leaning into what does it look like to embrace money conversations as a holistic part of discipleship?
Speaker 1:So, chris, my friend, I'm happy that you're here. I'm so glad that I get to introduce you to so many folks who listen to the Heart of Money podcast. I'm so glad that I get to introduce you to so many folks who listen to the Heart of Money podcast. So, before we dive into all the good stuff, all the details, just introduce us to yourself. Tell us for a moment what does it feel like to be Chris?
Speaker 2:What does it feel like to be Chris? Yeah, probably scary for most people, but I'm so glad to be here. So, yeah, I'm husband to Tara for the last 20 years and dad of three awesome kiddos, and so we're having a lot of fun in that season of life. But, yeah, so I run a discipleship equipping ministry that serves our entire city area where I'm at, to come alongside churches and help them further equip their people to be disciple makers, and I also have a passion for personal finance.
Speaker 2:And, yeah, I've done just a lot of stuff over the years that have kind of led to this point that we're at now, that I get to come alongside my friend Courtney and launch the Center for Financial Discipleship, and so I can go into more of my background if you want me to, or that's big picture, though.
Speaker 1:Well, let's answer. The first question that I know is on everyone's mind is all right, where's that accent from? They're picking up on it, right, so can you share where you're from?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I don't hear any accent on my end, courtney, but I currently reside in Conway, arkansas. So that's central Arkansas. I've been here for about the last 20 years, but growing up, born in New Orleans, lived in Mississippi, northern Louisiana, New Mexico, oklahoma and back to New Orleans, and then, yeah, like I said, I've been in Arkansas for the last 25 years now. So whatever that conglomeration is is what you're hearing.
Speaker 1:All right, he's from the South. I'm just going to sum it up All right, he's from the South. That's what you're hearing. I love it. Okay, very good. And so tell us a little bit more about your background. You know, introduce people to get back into God's word, and you're doing also your dissertation right now about the connection between spiritual health and money, right? So, yeah, just tell us a little bit more about what you got going on, because you wear quite a few hats, my friend.
Speaker 2:I do, I do and it's a lot of fun. So, yeah, I have an undergrad degree in biblical studies and kind of always knew that I wanted to do ministry. That's looked like a bunch of different things over the years. I got to serve as a director of student financial services and a financial aid director for a Christian university for several years and I would say that's probably where talking about money as a normalized thing kind of became a thing for me and just realized that when you're sitting across families trying to figure out what does it look like to pay for school, talking about money was just a very normal thing in that season. Also spent time as an executive pastor where I got to lean into stewardship and generosity and just overall financial health of our church and the bodies within our church. So, again, god using that within me in this area of faith and finances. And then on my master's side, got to do some work in second Corinthians and really lean into especially second Corinthians eight and nine. What does it look like?
Speaker 1:I've never read it.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, yeah, I'm sure, I'm sure, I'm sure.
Speaker 1:I'm kidding.
Speaker 2:I'm kidding so did that on the master's degree side and then spent, yeah, the last 10 plus years. I lead a ministry in my city of Conway called Downline and we seek to come alongside churches and help them equip their people for discipleship. And we do that by going Genesis to Revelation through scriptures and giving people the tools to teach that to other people. And so as I look at what does it look like to be a disciple who makes disciples? And then I have all this experience with personal finance and church finance and money, and I just go, man, I just don't think these streams cross very often.
Speaker 2:Discipleship material I mean I could point over at my shelf and I've got all these books and I point to three of them that reference money out of probably the 30 discipleship books over there on my shelf, and so I see an absence there. And then on the stewardship side and biblical theology of money side, man, they just some great theology but not a ton about the heart. And practically what does that look like on the disciple making side? And so I have this real passion for the intersection of these two spaces and that's where my doctoral dissertation comes in. So that's what I'm working on, for my doctoral dissertation is kind of the intersection of our hearts and money, and so that's how I got connected to Courtney and through doing some research for that, we got linked up through. My academic advisor is Gary Hogue, who runs Global Trust Partnership and just a fantastic voice in the area, and Gary connected me to Michael Blue and then Michael Blue connected me to Courtney and then here we are.
Speaker 1:Just a happy little family right there isn't?
Speaker 2:it, that's it, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:I love it, that's right. So, chris, you're recognizing that gap that a lot of people feel, and you're coming in from a super interesting perspective, because you've seen it from the spiritual side, the theology side. You've also seen it from the practical outworkings, as you're working with different families, right, just trying to afford college and different things like that, and you're seeing this gap between okay, we kind of put everything in separate buckets, right, discipleship is here, money is over here. I'm not sure how any of this actually works together, and so what comes out of that is just a lot of nothing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, when we compartmentalize our faith or areas of our lives, it gets really dangerous.
Speaker 2:I mean to say that I have my spiritual life over here, and then I have my financial life over here, and then my recreational or professional or whatever.
Speaker 2:That's dangerous territory because really everything is spiritual and yet we treat it like I'm just going to do my Bible study or whatever over here, do my church life, and then I have these other aspects and man, it's all spiritual and especially our finances. Part of the reason I love this idea of talking about finances within the context of our faith is I don't know very many things that affect or touch as many areas of our heart as money does. I mean really gets into securities, it gets into fears, it gets into desires and longings, it gets into hopes and dreams, it gets into you name it all these different aspects of my heart which, as a disciple maker, man, that's the goal, that's what I'm trying to get to with people is how to give your full allegiance, your full heart to Jesus, and so if we've got this avenue called money, that hits on all of those things why, not talk about it, and use it as a means of both assessing where people's hearts are and then being a part of helping move full allegiance of their hearts towards Jesus.
Speaker 1:I love how you just phrased that. Yeah, you're recognizing the same thing that I was, which is why I think you know God had a plan in getting us together. He said these two together will be dangerous.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, this was just going to be a random call to somebody that Michael Blue connected me with to do a little bit of research for my dissertation, and very quickly I think you and I both recognized like I think we're seeing this from the same angle and there's a lot more partnership to be done here, which is really cool.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly. But yeah, you're just kind of pressing in on one of the things that I've recognized as a financial counselor who said I mean thousands of conversations with people about their faith and their money, and one of the things that I hear most often from people is you know, when I ask them, you know, how does faith play a role in your financial decision making? One of the most common answers I'll get is well, I believe in God or I go to church, but I don't really understand how that plays a role in my finances. You know, I plan for retirement, I have my insurance, I'm doing my college planning, I have savings, I'm trying to avoid debt. You know whatever it might be.
Speaker 1:Or maybe they're saying I'm just trying to get by. You know, like I'm not sure where God fits into all of that, and so what you're drawing out, chris, is that no, no, no, it's not where does God fit in, but like he's all over the entire thing. Like our money is a very spiritual thing. There's a very heavy spiritual and a heavy emotional component to our money, and so when we don't talk about it, when we keep it kind of secret or keep it hidden, we're actually missing this huge opportunity for discipleship and to become more like Jesus.
Speaker 2:Absolutely, the Lord would love to walk with us through all aspects of our life, whether it be the things that feel really spiritual or the things that feel what we would consider just not attached to our faith or secular. And God would say, man, there's really not a sacred secular divide Like it's all spiritual. And so, you know, I think of our early days when Tara and I were married and we were trying to learn to do a budget every month and bringing our lives together, and I would reach a point in the budgeting process that I would just get frustrated and I would get a little bit angry and I would just go I need to take a break, I need to walk away and take a break. And really what it was was we reached the part of the budget where I realized there wasn't enough money to do the things that I wanted to do, or needed to do, maybe, in the rest of that month, and that made me angry and, in hindsight, to go oh well, maybe, as I dig into that a little bit more, maybe it was the fact that I had some big dreams and visions that I was sad that we weren't going to be able to accomplish that month, or I was frustrated that I thought maybe we should be able to do, or that if I could provide better we could have done, or go on and on and on and all those things really like.
Speaker 2:If you dig into those, those are huge access points to what's going on in Chris's heart. But it just manifests itself as Chris gets frustrated around the budgeting process with his wife on a monthly basis when he's first married. But really, oh man, to have someone walk beside me and go, hey, let's figure out what is it about that? That's going on in your heart there, because that's really where the Lord would love to do some work.
Speaker 1:Exactly so you just highlighted. I think where a lot of people stop is that kind of superficial like oh yeah, he's just another person who gets grumpy when they talk about budgets. Yeah, he's just another person who gets grumpy when they talk about budgets. All right, nothing new there, let's move on. But what you're saying is no. No, the emotions that come out as you're talking about money, they're indicators that something deeper is going on and it's just an invitation to say all right, god, let's flip over a few of these stones together and see what might really be underneath it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I love that you tie the emotions as indicators. You know, I think really within evangelical church, I mean, we've got a pretty anemic anthropology when it comes to theology of emotion and we act like oh, Chris, that sounds super smart.
Speaker 1:Dumb that down for me real quick.
Speaker 2:So we within the evangelical church, we do theology really, really well, but we are scared to go near, at least in the circles that I generally run in. We're scared to engage our emotions because we think that maybe we're going to treat emotions as the things that drive us or you know that move us versus seeing them as dashboard lights. Right, I would say emotions make a horrible steering wheel, but they make great dashboard lights. And so when we lean in and we go, why is it? First of all, you know it's awareness. So, even just stopping and pausing long enough to locate ourselves right To go, what am I, where am I and what am I present to in this moment? I mean, you don't have to use that language. You can just say what do I feel? Right, but go, okay, I feel anger, but is it really that I'm mad about this budgeting process? Or is it really that I'm disappointed and sad and fearful that I'm not going to be able to do all the things that adventure loving Chris wants to do this month and I might miss out on something? Right, and then go? Okay, can I be aware of that? Then could I actually admit that to another person?
Speaker 2:And then the beautiful thing that we know is that when you actually show up and you admit that to another person who is an empathetic listener, who doesn't leave you, man, god actually can work in that. And that's where we get into the opportunity for attachment, like between a husband and a wife, to form attachment relationships in a whole new way. I mean that's on a neurobiological level, whole new way. I mean that's on a neurobiological level. Speaking that truth to an empathetic listener who doesn't leave you actually forms new neural pathways, like our holistic side of even the physical comes into play.
Speaker 2:So everything is spiritual doesn't apply to just facets of our life, it applies to even us as embodied people, right? So we are not a soul and a body separate and the body is bad and the soul is good and the soul is what goes to heaven one day when we die. That's not congruent with New Testament theology. You know we are embodied people. So even my brain and the things that are firing within my brain when this stuff comes up is part of the spiritual formation process. And so, anyway, I'm going down a rabbit trail, but the more I go, the more I'm excited to see like this all connects and so, if we can take the time to get over our initial fear or taboo, to flip over that rock, as you say. I think we might find both an opportunity to connect with other people on a whole new level and connect with our God on a whole new level, and I would just love for more folks to be able to go down some of those roads and see some of the fruit that comes from that.
Speaker 1:I so appreciate your heart for this. I'm like amen and you, from over here, silently, it's like yes, this is so good. So tell us, we've been seeing this gap right. We notice that there's this gap between you. Know, we have the theology, we also have the stewardship, we also have the practical side. We're kind of completely ignoring the emotional side. We're kind of completely ignoring the emotional sides. We're bringing that in, we're revitalizing that piece, but none of these things have been really touching each other and we're bringing this together to say, no, this is all part of holistic discipleship. So tell me more and really share with our audience more like, how are we working to resolve these things within the Center for Financial Discipleship? Because it's kind of our gig now, right, it is this is what we do now.
Speaker 2:It is. This is what we do now. It is. I'm super excited yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so share with everyone what we're doing.
Speaker 2:So the Center for Financial Discipleship we're really going to work with three distinct groups, so one would be church leaders, Another would be financial professionals and then the third be individuals or just average Christian out there. And so for churches, we would love to A help teach on this. We'd love to come alongside, Like I think you and I both get pretty excited when we get the chance to speak about money within the church and I don't know a lot of my pastor buddies that say that and so you and I are happy to fall on that sword and come in and deliver those truths and do that. We're also happy to work with them in terms of workshops and how they have money conversations in a different way with them in terms of workshops and how they have money conversations in a different way, and what does it look like to really change the way we talk about money. And then would also love to help them with some coaching. You know if they've got lay people or pastoral staff that we could train to help have these conversations in a different way, instead of just talking about building an emergency fund or developing a budget or Roth versus 401k or whatever it may be, but actually dig in and go. Hey, as you're having those conversations with your people in your stewardship ministry, let us give you some tools to actually get to that gospel stuff.
Speaker 2:This is not separate from gospel, right? The gospel is all throughout this, and so we'd love to come alongside churches and help them, coach their people to be able to have more really gospel-centered, heart-centered conversations when it comes to money and not just have that be oh go, do the practical money stuff over there and deal all in the exterior, but really connect that back to go man. Within that you can actually help move your people's hearts towards Christ. And this can also be a part of your church's discipleship strategy is what you do and how you talk to your people about money, and so that's on the church side. And then on the financial professional side, would love to come along folks who get to have money conversations every day, but maybe it hangs out by default in terms of balance sheets or assets under management or portfolio performance or those kinds of things, Cause I've got a lot of great friends that are financial professionals and they love Jesus a whole lot and they would love to go man, because I've got a lot of great friends that are financial professionals and they love Jesus a whole lot, and they would love to go. Man, if I could actually, in my daily meetings that I'm having with people, point them to deeper heart level gospel stuff as a part of serving their financial needs, I would love to be able to do that, and so for that group, we'd love to come alongside them too and give them tools to do that better.
Speaker 2:And then third group is everyday folks who want to follow Jesus with every aspect of their life, and we'd love to help them figure out. Man, is this an area that we can help you do that in? And so those are our three groups with the center. And so the Center for Financial Discipleship as Courtney said, it's just financialdiscipleshipcenter. If you're looking for the web address, you want to go look us up and check it out, and so that's what we're doing at the center these days. Just turned the website on a few days ago, so the website is live now and I don't know when this is going to air, but super excited to start working with churches and financial professionals and individuals and helping in this area.
Speaker 1:That's right. We actually I got to give the teaching just yesterday Yesterday was a Sunday, as we're recording this and got to give the teaching and it was all about, you know, does God call Christians to act differently with their money compared to our non-Christian neighbors? So that was like our first, like woohoo, like the center financial discipleship, like we're doing it now, we're on a roll, we're in the churches and, like you said, we like to kind of fall on that sword for people, as Chris and I were just praying through this and asking you know, god, where do you want us to go? What do you want us to do? We're seeing these gaps, we're seeing all these different, you know, areas of folks reaching out for help in this specific area and essentially, where we landed was well, who are the people? Who are, you know, either talking about money or they're really struggling with avoiding talking about money. And so that's how we landed, first off on the church and supporting church leaders, because it is such a sticky topic to talk about, and so we essentially just come alongside you and we're like, look, we get it.
Speaker 1:We know talking about money is hard, but it's actually a great way to introduce people to the heart of Jesus. And so let's kind of break out of that kind of just like give, save, spend model that we're used to. Not that those things are bad, but there's some bigger heart issues to discuss. Like how do we live like Jesus in a world that's so consumer driven and so materialistic? How do we live like Jesus? Is it okay that my lifestyle looks pretty much the exact same as my non-Christian neighbors? Like, let's create some safe spaces to just hold that question and allow the Holy Spirit to kind of work on our hearts a bit right, because that's when Jesus really shows up.
Speaker 1:And so, yeah, so we're doing that with the churches and then, like you said, with the financial professionals and the same Chris, I know so many great people who come to me saying, like, I know that God called me into this profession to share His message, but I just haven't figured out how to do it yet. And so we're just coming alongside those folks and saying, all right, we don't have all the answers, but we've got quite a few things figured out, like, let us help you a bit, let us be the guide, so that you can start having more of that kingdom impact that you want. Like you said, the last group, those individuals and families. That's the last place that we talk about.
Speaker 1:Money right is at home and, as you said, chris, as you were talking about you and Tara earlier, that can be where we feel the most tension around money. It's just right in our homes. And so, again, how do we start to create new, fresh dialogue so it doesn't feel like we're having the same money fights or the same kind of superficial money conversations over and over again without ever getting any kind of resolve? How can we just interject some Jesus into that and point people to him?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Oh, I'm excited.
Speaker 2:It's good, I'm so excited. I'm so excited, I'm pumped to be on this journey and I was just telling somebody the other day that even kind of the coming alongside and working with you over the summer and starting the center really just has felt like the next step of faithfulness. It has been a you know, kind of a very obvious thing of like I don't know what God's going to do with this, but it definitely feels like to be faithful with where we're at right now, like man launching this and leaning into this is the right thing to be doing.
Speaker 1:I completely agree. I'm excited to see just how God's going to use it and just speak into the lives of so many people. Tell us, chris, as people are listening and they're like, okay, yeah, that all sounds great, I'm so glad y'all are doing that, good for you. But like, what about me? Like, what does this have to do with me? Tell us, how does financial discipleship impact the folks listening today who want to like really bring it home.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So, man, I think if you are a Jesus follower, then I think he makes it pretty clear in Matthew six that he wants your full allegiance. God is not after half-hearted philanthropists that just write a check and check their box or give their percentage right, like, even if you're faithful in that. He wants your whole heart. He wants every aspect of your life, and that could be said of all sorts of other aspects too. I think we're focusing in on this one aspect to go. Hey, this is one that we feel called to speak to, but God is inviting you to trust him with all aspect of your life and to involve him in that and let him be a part of that with you. And so for everyday folks, like that's what we would love, to come alongside you and help you do. And that may mean understanding that, like, yeah, it's OK for us to spend this or take this vacation or do whatever. Or it also may mean, like totally rethinking on the most fundamental level how much we're saving or giving or doing. It's all on the table, you know. Because the beautiful thing that happens as you keep going in Matthew 6, he's talking about allegiances is you get into this thing that we call the treasure principle Thanks to Randy Alcorn's really doing a great job of highlighting that and unpacking that for all of us. But he also gives us a mechanism to move our hearts closer to him, right? So how kind and gracious is our God that he would do that.
Speaker 2:Because I don't know about you, but I can't just like muster up new allegiances at will. I've got my favorite teams that I support, good, bad or indifferent and so we just you know, a couple of my teams lost this weekend, and I would love to conjure up new allegiances for new teams. I just can't do it. And the same is said for how much we love Jesus man. I would love to just like snap my fingers or check a box or do whatever, and now every bit of my heart is all focused on God in the kingdom all the time.
Speaker 2:But I haven't found that to be like just something that magically happens when I snap my finger, and so God, in his graciousness, gives us this mechanism to move our hearts closer to him. When he says where your treasure is there, your heart will be also, and so in doing so, as we invest in things of the kingdom, it actually moves our hearts closer to God. And so he's graciously saying, like I don't need your dollars and cents. That'd be like mailing a $5 check to Warren Buffett to say that God needs our 5% or our 10% or whatever dollar amount it is. It's not that he needs our money, it's that he wants our hearts and he wants all of us, and so our stewardship is just a means of full devotion to our God and that's what he's inviting us into. And so our stewardship is just a means of full devotion to our God and that's what he's inviting us into. And so we'd love to have those conversations with folks of what does that look like for you?
Speaker 1:Oh, I love it, I absolutely love it. Yeah, I think you're hitting it right now on the head. You really really are. It's God is inviting each and every one of us into this, as we pursue him, and I think that's kind of at the heart of our message is that your discipleship, your relationship with Jesus is worth pursuing it's worth continuing to go after.
Speaker 1:And just Absolutely Like the easiest, like simplest way that we can start is just by looking at where our dollars are going. That's just an easy, really simple kind of low-hanging fruit, right there. Right, yeah, we're saying let's start here. This is going to tell us a lot about how we view God, how we view our Heavenly Father. How is that working in our hearts? What's the fruit that we're producing? And let's start there.
Speaker 1:Let's start there because you know it's not lost on me, and especially in the gospel, of how many times people went to Jesus or they went to different disciples or prophets and they were asking for spiritual counsel and they got a financial answer. And it's because I think the two aren't that far off. Right, but I think our modern world has kind of separated these two things. I can be spiritual or I can be practical, but I can't really do both and that can't be further from the truth. Like spiritual counsel and financial advice really aren't that far off.
Speaker 1:I know it's not lost on me that in America anyways, globally, compared to the rest of the world, the average American household income ranks within the top 4% wealthiest in the world, and yet three out of four people have extreme anxiety around money. So it's like I think we keep falling for this life of like, well, when I just get a little bit more, then I'll finally be satisfied, or then I'll be content, or then I can start giving more, then I'm going to experience all these, you know, joyful moments with God, and so we keep kind of kicking the can down the road. But what I always try to bring it back to, and I constantly remind people, is that financial peace isn't a number. You're never going to get there. Air quote yeah Right, because as soon as we get there we're like oh wait.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh, those goalposts move all day long, right yeah?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, it's like wait, this didn't feel like how I thought it would, like it's going to feel exciting in the moment and maybe for like a week or two, and then you're like shoot, I think I miscalculated and we just keep kicking that can down the road, right when the freedom that comes when we just surrender all to Jesus is that we're no longer trying to get there right, we recognize that he's already given us everything that we need, and that's when we can start to be more free and more open with our money. I think that's just. If I could, you know, summarize this a little bit. It's we're saying that your discipleship with Jesus is worth pursuing, and why not start here?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean that's, it is at our hearts.
Speaker 2:It's to help develop fully devoted followers of Jesus, and in order to do that, money conversations are a part of it. I would say, if your financial life isn't a part of how you're walking with Jesus, then you're not fully walking with Jesus, right it's? You know what Martin Luther said, what there's three conversions conversions of the heart, conversions of the mind and then finally, conversions of the purse. And so, yeah, and so I mean, even from a spiritual shepherding standpoint, right, like as a pastor, when I was an executive pastor, I mean one of the last things once a person was at the church and involved and plugged in and in a small group, generally the last thing to come was their finances. And then, on the way out, long before they ever left the small group, long before they quit coming on a Sunday, generally the first thing to go was their finances as well. And so you know, it's just like man, there's shepherding conversations to be had in all aspects of this stuff that we would love to engage with people on.
Speaker 1:Very good. Well, thank you for spending some time with us this morning. Chris, I'm so excited. Like I said, I can't tell you how excited I am to introduce people to you, and obviously they can tell just your heart for financial discipleship. I don't think I mentioned his title. He's actually the director for discipleship at CFD. And right now you are accepting new coaching clients, so tell people if they want to have a conversation with you. How do they get in touch with you?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so they go to our website, financialdiscipleshipcenter, and there you can connect with us on that and would love to do that, especially if you're interested in going on a coaching journey and walking with someone else.
Speaker 2:I know in my life walking with someone else through stuff has been some of the most formational part of my journey with Christ, and not just getting information and learning, but generally walking with somebody and doing it. God in his triune goodness formed us in relationship and then, through a broken world, we are malformed in relationship and I think we all feel some of the ways that we have been malformed in relationships. And then he invites us to actually be reformed in relationship and so you know through that that's part of where the coaching side I think is so pertinent is it's a relational walking with somebody. It's not just a download of facts or information or read this book on stewardship or memorize these 53 verses or whatever it is. That's just information. But the ability to actually journey with someone as you both pursue Christ and do it in a relational setting, man, I think is fruitful ground for life change and a deeper walk with Jesus. So would love to talk to people about that.
Speaker 1:Amen, sign me up. Maybe you'll be my next coach, chris.
Speaker 2:Let's do it. Let's do it. Court.
Speaker 1:You're convincing me right now. You're convincing me right now. I love it. Are you okay if I also share your email with people in case they want to reach out to you directly? Is that okay? Yeah, absolutely. You can also contact him at chris at financialdiscipleshipcenter. It's chris at financialdiscipleshipcenter. If you have any questions for him or want to connect, I highly encourage you to do so. You're going to be very enriched by that conversation.
Speaker 1:So thank you all for joining us and thank you for celebrating with us, as we're sharing, about this big news that we have. And, if you happen to be local, we do have a big launch event coming up on October 23rd. You can also shoot us a quick email asking for an invite to that. We would love for you to come and celebrate with us and lean further into this conversation of how does money impact discipleship. Thank you again, chris, for joining us and we look forward to hearing more from you really soon. Thanks, court. Thank you for listening. If today's conversation has blessed you, share our podcast with a friend and if you have a money question, email me at Courtney at markleycoachinggroupcom. I'm Courtney Markley and this has been the Heart of Money.