The Snap Chat: Marvel Snap Podcast
The Marvel's Season Begins! | New Best Ongoing Card | Ms. Marvel: Is She Worth It? | The Snap Chat Ep. 53
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Will Ms. Marvel be the new best ongoing card? How good is Werewolf by Night? What is the Mobius problem? Join Cozy Snap and Alexander Coccia as they chat about this and more on this episode of The Snap Chat and every week as they discuss all things Marvel Snap.
Will Ms. Marvel be the new best ongoing card? How good is Werewolf by Night? What is the Mobius problem? Join Cozy Snap and Alexander Coccia as they chat about this and more on this episode of The Snap Chat and every week as they discuss all things Marvel Snap.
What's going on, guys, and welcome to Season 2 of the Snap Chat. Today, we're gonna break down November as a whole. Ms. Marvel is our new Season Pass card. We're gonna break down Is She Elite? What are the best combos, counters, everything you need to know about the card. And also, all of the cards coming out in November. Which ones are worth saving up for in our early predictions and rankings for every card coming out. We're also going to revisit October and have our final rankings on what I think is one of the best months that we've had in a long while. So we're going to go ahead and look at what we did rank them going into the season and then look at what our final rankings are now that we've playtested and had a chance to have all the cards. We're going to break all that down today more on this episode of the Snapchat. And as always, I'm joined by Mr. Alex Coccia. October has come to a close. We have entered the month of thankfulness. We're into November, into the Marvel month. How you doing, bud?
Alexander Coccia:I'm doing great. The month of thankfulness in Canada, by the way, is in October. I think our, our dates are a little different here. You got Black Friday. I know it's got, it's a great time to be a shopper in the United States in November. I know that, but guess what? In Canada, we got Black Friday too. So we we definitely bandwagon on your guys holidays when possible.
Cozy Snap:Do you guys do the same food and all that for Thanksgiving? Like the, the, it's a turkey. It's all the same, just a different month.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, it's the whole thing. It's like basically like the CFL NFL thing. It's like exactly the same except we make it like a little smaller and a little worse.
Cozy Snap:It's like Wish. com essentially just everything. Yeah, yeah, that's basically what it is. What's your Thanksgiving food? Just going into it, like right now you can get one. What is it?
Alexander Coccia:Just give me some apple pie. I'll take the apple pie all day long. I'm not a fan of stuffing, which might be a hot take. I've just never been a fan of that. It's like the, the sell of like, you take bread and you stuff it up the turkeys, you know, and then like you eat it after. It's like, you know what, man? Like... That doesn't disappeal to me, I just don't, who the hell thought of that? Like, who was like, you know what we're gonna do? Get the loaf of bread, ram it right up the turkey, and we'll eat it after.
Cozy Snap:The same guy that was like, you know what? Mashed potatoes filled with butter and gravy is not enough, bad for you, let's get the sweet potatoes, but hold on, let's just cook marshmallows all on the top of it. It's the the guy that made the dessert into a, into a plate there. But yeah dude, we have a lot to break down today, we're gonna talk about the new... Marvel season as you guys can see the theme of the month and also take a revisit as I said in the intro of the October cards, Alex, what are we going to be talking about on your side of the channel?
Alexander Coccia:We're going to be talking about Werewolf by Night. That just took the meta by storm. Werewolf by Night has been a Fun card, a powerful card. And we will be discussing our review of it. We'll also be discussing our favorite cards at every single cost for the October season. One of our favorite topics of discussion. And then we're going to be talking about the Mobius problem. Now, this is probably one of the most important discussions we're going to be having because Mobius has changed spells a little bit of concern for the future of Marvel snap in particular with cards that have been recently released and how they're balanced.
Cozy Snap:Yeah. So I know we're going to talk about that on your side, but let's start there, right? Cause we had a crazy, crazy week. Typically, the month content patch comes with the new season. That's how it's been lining up, but it hit here because of how long October is. And we got the month content patch early. Now, for the most part, I thought it was pretty good. There's some cool changes in there, man. Negasonic, you had, you know. Let's talk the Mobius thing for a second. Dude, just unacceptable, right? Like, for me, it's... I go by resume, and they have a great resume, right? Like, if your best worker sometime and he shows up and he doesn't have the best day, or a terrible day actually, let's say that. Or even like a no call, no show. It's like, I'm disappointed, like, what happened there? You know, but the resume does speak for itself. But it's just concerning, you know? It just doesn't feel good. Especially for a card like Mobius, where, you know, we saw that he is... We all knew he was gonna be great, right? Like, we knew he was gonna be great. And I feel like, typically, on the side of caution, they're, they're a bit more cautious, right? Like, they typically maybe take it down a, a cost, or a power, or increase a co whatever, right? This was a full out nuking, right? Like, it, like, Mobius died. When that patch came out, it's crazy to me.
Alexander Coccia:It is crazy and I think that when you completely change the identity of a card shortly after release, shortly since it was available in a bundle and when it was available in spotlight caches, that's hugely problematic. It, it kind of takes people by surprise. Like that's, that's not what they invested in. That's not. It's just not what they expected that card to be so soon after launch. Like it's one thing to nerf a card, but to completely change the way it's played and the it's meta relevance is, is very difficult, right? Not just meta relevance, but it's just, it's not the same card. The effect that it has been given could have been a new card at like a one cost.
Cozy Snap:Yeah. I, the, all of September was such a, like, we, we hate to start on this note, but I think it's important to bring up, right. Because. What it does more than anything, they were Series 4 cards, but what it does is it has like a ripple effect, right? Because people didn't get Ravonna because of Mobius, and then Ravonna ended up being good. They would have gotten maybe here on the Spotlight Week. They are Series 4, so like, how big of a deal would it have been if it was this severe? And the reason they're not doing this is they're probably just gonna change Mobius again. But you know, where it's like, okay, you know what, we messed up, whatever, here's 3, 000 tokens. Whatever it might be for when you got Mobius. It can be tough to do refunds like that. But what it does to its core is it just, it's just like when the token shop went away, right? It really hurts the people that planned, the people that waited through August, you know, they skipped out on Silver Samurai, Lady Deathstrike, some of the hype because they knew they wanted to go all in for September and now they're kind of paying for it. It can't happen again.
Alexander Coccia:No question, Kozy, I agree 100 percent and it's something that we'll have to continue our discussion on later in this podcast. For the time being though, let's jump to these October final rankings, which are some of the most fun cards we've had in Marvel Snaps history.
Cozy Snap:No question, Alex, and for the first time, I went back. And I looked at our early rankings, like what we're doing today for the November season. Before we playtested all these cards, what did we rank them? And I gotta say right away, Alex, I think October might have been one of my favorite months. As far as like, each card bringing something so unique, different, really added some fun to it. So we're gonna go through each of the cards that came out. I'll tell you what we ranked it at first, and then let's kind of end up on our final rankings before we kick off Ms. Marvel in the brand new season. We have a lot to break down there. We'll go through the October cards. So, we got Elsa Bloodstone. Obviously isn't the Elsa that came out during the season. We had her tamed down just a bit. In my opinion, this is kind of what I wanted for Mobius, right? Like, if you... If you, if you nuke a card in some degree, could you still release it and it's a good card? In Elsa's case, absolutely yes. Now, Alex, we ranked her both a 4 star flat whenever she initially came out. I think we easily could have given a 5 star there in her initial state. What are your final thoughts of the Cease and Pass card in October?
Alexander Coccia:I think we nailed it. I think, ultimately, it lands at 4 star today, but it was most certainly a 5 star when it was giving plus 3. Its interactions with Angela, with Kitty, were far too strong, and now that whole package has been brought down. So it does, by you know, by effect, bring down Elsa just slightly as well, because that was so, such a synergistic package. But it was incredible, not just because that it worked so well with meta relevant cards like Angela and Kitty, but because it worked incredibly in so many different decks, in so many different archetypes. Move liked it, for instance, right? With the Visions and the Jeffs and the Nightcrawlers. And it, it brought cards... Back into the meta that we weren't seeing. I love Elsa Bloodstone, and for me, it was, you know, pre Nerf, it was a easy 5. It still might be a 5, to be honest, yeah, at the end of the day.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, I was gonna say, like, 4. 5 for me, still, like, maybe knock it down a bit. Because at the end of the day, you compare it to the other QCAST cards, and like, the fact that she's plug and play viable for most decks out there, you can make her work in a different area of control, move, whatever it might be. Elsa is going to last for a long time. And I don't think she'll be nerfed again. I think she's in a good spot now as just a great card. She comes back in January in a really good spotlight. I think it has Loki in there too, so that's where she's gonna come back for the next time. If you did not get Elsa I think you'll have your final day today to grab the card. But anyway, Elsa, great card. We said 4. 4. 5 is what it ends on. Love to see it. Next week, after that, we had Man Thing come out. And ManThing is interesting because I gave ManThing a 3. 5 to 4 star, you gave him a 3 star. And ManThing, I think, took the entire community by shock a bit on how well he's kind of holding up. You know, Alex, I think if you look to the data... The guy's good. He works because he works with the other good decks out there right now. Black Widow got an adjustment within that month and so that kind of all kicked things off too. Toxic was on the rise. What do you give him for your final ranking?
Alexander Coccia:First of all, I want to say that if I remember correctly, you called it perfectly. You said the man thing was going to feel Awful on the initial release and then get better over time as people started teching Luke Cage out and that's exactly what happened, right? He did feel pretty rough the first week. And then suddenly Luke Cage starts being thrown into, you know, stop, stops being thrown into every single deck. Sorry. And then Man Thing actually starts to elevate, starts being included in even the Darkhawk package and stuff like that. And now like he's easily a four star for me, easily a four star. I felt like I was a little low on Man Thing giving him three because now at four stars, especially with that Elsa kind of bounce type mentality. You got these lane setups that even late man things just come on in and say, Hey, negative two across the board. How do you guys like that?
Cozy Snap:Yeah, man, he can hold his lane so freaking well, like you can play him by himself. There's no really good way to stop them. Like there's just not outside of Enchantress, what you're not typically seeing or doing. He just kind of fits perfectly. And it's crazy that he's also just working in one of those value lists, right? Kind of like the stature Blackhawk or Black Bolt package where it can just kind of work. Yeah, Manthing, I'm going to give a four star. I think he's a four star and they took him out. It's funny, it's funny. They, people were clamoring for the spotlights for Living Tributal and Iron Lad to come to spotlights. And then they put him in there in December, but they took out Manthing, which is a bummer because I know some people were going to wait for that December one. Because he's a very good card at that. Gonna be even... Oh my gosh, guys. Just wait till we talk about one of the cards we'll be breaking down in November. Some great synergy. I ended up loving Manthing. Still a card I play with a ton. I'm a Toxic fan. 4 star for me too, Alex. After Manthing, we had Black Knight show up for the discard archetype. And Black Knight is interesting. We gave him a ranking. I gave him a 2. 5. You gave him a 2. And I think, at least I'll kick us off. I think he's fun. I think he will have better days ahead. Not great days ahead, but better days ahead. But I'm gonna give him, probably right now, a 2 star, and that's coming from somebody that likes to play him. You know what it is, Alex? To me, at least. Because I was looking at some Discard things coming out in the future as well. Discard is just that archetype that doesn't play nice in the sandbox with anything else, right? Like, it, it, it just pigeonholes it to that one archetype more than any other one out there.
Alexander Coccia:I agree. I think it's a two star and even then like, listen, it's a card that it has moments. It has the opportunity to be very powerful, but it has to have very specific lines. You know what? At the end of the day, Kozy, I hate to say it. I'd rather just play traditional discard. I'd rather play Modok. I'd rather play Hela. I'd rather play anything else but a Black Knight discard deck. Cause I just don't actually think it's that fun. Sometimes you put up the power, honestly. Yeah, like I've been there where I, you know, I Sif, the, you know, the Infinade, and then I Shuri, and then I got this, I Tat, I do the whole thing, I got the whole thing going, but they just retreat anyway, I never see it all the way through, it's just not as fun, and so but also, like, it's very, very draw dependent, very draw dependent, so, it just doesn't feel great, right, if compared to Elsa Bloodstone, for instance, you could play Elsa on turn 5, and still get a lot of value from it, Black Knight, get on turn five, you may as well just retreat because it's useless.
Cozy Snap:Definitely the weakest card of the month, I think we can say that. We said that going in, and I think we can back up and say that yet again. Now we've seen this time after time with the discard archetype. After that, Alex, we had Nico, Minoru, and my gosh, my gosh. Now, this was fun. Looking back, we ranked her, okay? Either, like a 2 star or a 5 star. We said 2 star is if you go down, she's too random, or she'll be the next Legion. And listen, I've seen some articles like people were sleeping on her, and now they're loving her. We kinda always said she has a good chance. To be a pretty good card. She's got a good chance for it. Now I'll give you the kickoff before I say my spiel. What do you give Nico now?
Alexander Coccia:Hey, so this is once again, so it's funny when I did my evaluation of, I said, Hey, it could be like a two star card. It can be a four star card. It's hard to say it has this huge Delta of what it could possibly be. So this is what I'm going to say, cozy. It is a three star performance card, a five star fun card. And that's the only way I can explain it. Like, its win rate is actually not that high. It does work in certain decks. It does elevate certain decks. But it's not as good overall as also Bloodstone. Like, if you look at pure win rates and stuff like that. But it is just too fun to play. It has such incredible moments. And it has these, like, OP moments, which is like, I cannot believe the stars aligned like this. Nico, thank you so much. Snap, snap, cube gain, and you're out the door with a smile on your face. Like, it's just such a feel good card. This is what all cards should be at the end of the day.
Cozy Snap:I'm careful when I give away 5 star. In fact, I don't think I ever do. This is as close as you get to 5 star for me. I honestly would give it like a 4. 5. You hit the fun factor. That's a five. You know, as far as viability. I'm gonna tell you this. First, I think she's tough to operate, right? I don't think she's the easiest thing to operate. But she takes a couple archetypes and puts them at a level that you can't replace her. The simple fact is, if they don't nerf it, then she's gonna be incredible forever. But the draw 2 destroy thing is so insane. The way I broke this down for discard and destroy, If you get the cards that you need to get the combos off, you win, right? But it's Marvel Snap, maybe you're missing a couple draw and that's just how it works. With her, it just becomes so much easier, and you're synergizing with what the deck does to get these combos off, right? There are so many instances in Balance and in Destroy that I was just able to use her, so much in fact that I have her in almost all of my decks currently, and I can find use out of each and every one of these spells, for the most part, and it rarely comes back to bite me. She's only one cost. She's like the perfect card to me. I absolutely have fallen in love with Nico. Again, I was on the train of 2 star, 5 star, I land on the latter, I think she's definitely the card of the month. Probably, to me. I'm a big fan of the Nico.
Alexander Coccia:I agree. I think it is the card of the month, and because of the fun. Like, it's just a fun card to play, and it has the moments that, like, you're seeking when you play a game like Marvel Snap. One thing that upsets me, though, I gotta be honest with you about Nico... I didn't have the courage to go for the the spotlight variant. I just, I regret it, man. I'm looking at it right now and I'm upset. I'm actually upset I didn't get this variant.
Cozy Snap:This one took me all four. Werewolf I got on the first one, I was like, Oh my gosh, I couldn't believe it. This one took all four. Every single one of them to get it. And you know, but you know what? She has a lot of good variants. She has some definitely, her base is a little weak to me, but she's got some pretty crazy variants out there. So yeah, Nico, great card. Love it. Last card was the one that came out this week, and it was, this last week, and it was Werewolf by Night. 3 3, man. We had a lot to say about him. We both gave him a 4 star ranking going into going into it. I think as it got closer to the week of release, we gave it a 4. 5, 4 stars still as well. Kind of stayed consistent. Alex, I still give a 4. 5 star. I'm seeing people, some people unimpressed. Dude, this car to me, it, we gotta just look at, he's a 3 cost that I was able to get to insane numbers. Reliably, over and over, and even if you got into a 370, you have a Maximus. What has been your experience with Werewolf? Cause I'm, I'm, we're gonna talk about it more on your side, but I'm impressed.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, so my experience was just quite simply good. Like, it was fine. Like, it was a good card. Like, it's, I give it 4 for sure. Maybe 3. 5 just for the occasional clunkiness, but definitely a 4. Like, I, no, I'm gonna say 4, not 3. 5. It's a 4. And the reason for this is because it puts up power. Like I was consistently getting it to, you know, three, three, nine. Like that's, there's nothing to scoff at there. Three, nine. Are you kidding me? Like, why are you saying that that's, that's a great result. Right. And it's interesting because it made some modifications to existing architecture. Like you gotta keep space in consideration, the macro level play. Like you don't want to troll yourself by playing a card in the wrong spot. And I really like the way this card plays. It's a very unique flavor. Yeah. I think it's definitely viable.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, to me, my favorite part about him, and again, I can't wait to talk about him more in decks and cards, but I love being able to dictate where he ends up at at the very end, right? Like, there's some randomness in a sense to Marvel Snap, but with him, you know exactly where he's gonna go. Your opponent doesn't, and you have to try to adjust their lanes accordingly, and you can flip the biggest of lanes with him, which is, I think, his best trait about him. Yeah, Love Werewolf, definitely a good card. 4. 5 to me as well. So if you look at the month as a whole outside of Black Knight... It's great. It's a good month. Really good month of cards, man, so I love to see it. We're gonna go into November, but I gotta hit you with this. We did, on my stream, a Halloween candy tier list, Alex. You know, we love tier list over here, okay? What is your S tier, top tier candy? Like, it's, it's like, you will steal it without any regard from your children's Halloween bag.
Alexander Coccia:You know what, it ranges so wildly for me. Like, we talking chocolate or just pure candy?
Cozy Snap:Oh, let's go, let's go at all, together.
Alexander Coccia:Ah, okay, can I give you my favourite chocolate bar, then my favourite candy?
Cozy Snap:Yeah, chocolate and candy, yeah, that works.
Alexander Coccia:Okay, chocolate bar for me, is gonna be the crunchy. Which is like the one with the taffy in the middle. I don't know why. It's just always been great for me. You just, you break it in half, you can break it into pieces. You don't like that? I can get one for you right now if you want.
Cozy Snap:What the hell is that? What, is that a Canadian, is that a Canadian? You don't have that there? We have a crunch bar, a crunch bar.
Alexander Coccia:That's the blue package. Crunch is the blue package. This is the crunchy bar. It's like a taffy filled one.
Cozy Snap:But it's, but it's, but it's from the crunch family? It's like a little sister of the crunch?
Alexander Coccia:No, it's by Cadbury.
Cozy Snap:Who's Cadbury?
Alexander Coccia:What?
Cozy Snap:What? What's a Crunchy?
Alexander Coccia:You've never seen a Crunchy bar?
Cozy Snap:I've never seen a Crunchy bar in my life!
Alexander Coccia:I gotta get you a Crunchy bar.
Cozy Snap:You know what? This is, of course, I was expecting something, and of course it's something I've never I've never even heard of. So, I'm sorry, and I'm trying to wrap my head around it. It's chocolate with taffy in the middle?
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, do you want me to go get one?
Cozy Snap:It makes me feel like that would take my teeth out. You'd lose a crown to that.
Alexander Coccia:You, well, you can for sure. Like, it's just, but it's, it's really enjoyable. It has a really unique texture. It's it's, it's ama it's an amazing chocolate bar.
Cozy Snap:We're gonna have to, we're gonna have to end the snapshot with you eating it and giving me your, your play by play review. What about candy?
Alexander Coccia:You know what, I've always been a sucker for sour Skittles. I don't know what it is about Sour Skittles. Sour patch. Kids always love Sour Patch Kids. I mean, those are probably my two big ones. Sour Patch. The reason why I like Sour Patch Kids is because you only need to have one to really get the full flavor experience. They do have some candies. You got to like smash them in your mouth and you're like, you're eating like so many jujubes at once. And you're just like, just to kind of feel something, right? With Sour Patch Kids, you can have just one Sour Patch Kid. It just fills your mouth with flavor. You feel like a million bucks.
Cozy Snap:The thing though, with those is it's, as I compared to like Captain Crunch, like it's a mini Civil War happening in your mouth. Like the roof of your mouth is It's got no shot. It's just like a bloody mess after that. Like, dude, I, man, I was taking my son out trick or treating. And this lady's like, you know, you can take one too, dad. I'm like, I'm good. But she had a warhead in there. You ever have warheads?
Alexander Coccia:Oh yeah. We've had warheads before. Pretty awesome.
Cozy Snap:Warheads is like how you went hard as a kid. You know what I mean? You couldn't have alcohol, drugs, all that stuff. You're like, you know what I'll do? This sour candy. So I was like, I haven't had one of these in 20 years. Let me try it out. It was great, but ow, I can't taste anything.
Alexander Coccia:I remember being a kid and like, okay, this was like grade school. This is so, this sounds so stupid, but people would get like remember like the Kool Aid mix, like the powder? Yeah. Yeah. The Kool Aid mix powder, right? People would buy like cases of them and bring them to school and just like, go, I just chug all the Kool Aid powder. Their face would be like all blue stained with the Kool Aid powder. And it'd be like tripping on sugar. It was like the coolest thing when you were in grade five. I just remember, I don't know why you brought me back in time.
Cozy Snap:You would wake up, you would wake up the next day, do you know, you'd wake up feeling great the next day, too, after that. Dude, if I did that today, if I did a whole Kool Aid powder, I'd be dead. I'd be, there'd be no Snapchat, I can promise you that. Yeah, anyway, yeah, my favorite candy, I don't know, I'm, I'm, I'm a simple man. I'm a big Reese's guy. Kit Kats are pretty good. Probably for chocolate. For candy, Swedish Fish, man. Ooh.
Alexander Coccia:Oh, that's a good call too, but that's a very different, like, flavor profile than like, Swedish Fish often comes with the, like, Okay, Swedish Fish is like, adjacent to Sour Patch Kids, if you don't want sour.
Cozy Snap:Yes, I am very like, weird with my candy, kinda like you said it too, like if I'm at a movie, I go snowcaps. Like, the most like, nobody eats snowcaps, dude, nobody snowcap? Exactly. Okay, I was about to say like, there's sometimes you talk, you know, Canadian with me, I'm like, you know, we're more alike than different. Today, you, you, you mentioned like, oh, you have a mouthful of jujus. What the hell is a juju, bro? I don't know. You never heard of a jujube? There's a B at the end? Yeah, it's a B, a jujube. Moving on to November, guys, we've We've got a good season ahead of us. Anyway, happy belated Halloween to you guys. Moving on to November, it is Miss Marvel season, our new season pass card, Alex. We've got the Marvel movie coming out in theaters, that's probably why the theme of it has come out. Ms. Marvel is a 4 cost, 5 power card with an ongoing ability, adjacent locations where your cards have unique cost. Have plus five power. Now, really simply to break that down, right guys, if you have two Tukas on the left lane, that lane does not get the plus five power. If somebody plays you know Green Goblin over there and you already had yourself a Thor, does not get plus five power. With that being said, Alex, we got a lot to break down with her and the potential of her. What are your early thoughts?
Alexander Coccia:Honestly, I like the design. I think it's cool. Like the, the idea of having these unique card costs and it's, I like when game, the game makes these macro considerations important. That's exactly what we're talking about with werewolf by night. Like it's really cool when you have to really think couple turns ahead as to how you're gonna be placing your cards and. That's cool. But my also first impression is this seems like an incredibly restrictive card that might be surprisingly difficult to play because Marvel Snap is never going to give you an ideal board state, is never going to give you the ideal hand, and I'm just like, man, I don't know if we're going to talk stars. But I'm not hot on this card.
Cozy Snap:No way! Okay, what's your star rating?
Alexander Coccia:I don't feel hot on it. You think this is gonna be strong?
Cozy Snap:Yeah, yeah, I'll tell you why. Wait, what's your star rating? I wanna hear. I gotta know.
Alexander Coccia:Oh, you're gonna put me on the spot. I'm leaning towards like a 2.
Cozy Snap:A 2 star?! A black knight?!
Alexander Coccia:Okay, maybe slightly better than Black Knight, but I think, okay, I'll look at two, three range is where I'm at. You're that shocked? Yeah. It's an ongoing card, right? Look how many ongoing countering effects we have. It requires, it's going to be maximized in the center, right? Naturally. It's like the Mr. Fantastic situation. Having unique costs in each location is hard. Locations don't always let you play, like, whatever the hell you want.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, no, I'm here for it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right? I like that you're not crazy.
Alexander Coccia:There's that are like, just, Hey, card, you wanna be good? Slap. Like, there's way so, there's like, so many red flags here, right?
Cozy Snap:Yes. Okay, so here's my, my breakdown. Oh, dude, I love this. I was expecting you to just be like, Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean? Here's the great part, right? My thoughts on this is it's the same as the you know, the Deadpool that you wanna get up to a million power, whatever it might be. Let's look at Iron Lad, who's a 4'6 if he scans a rock, he's a 4'6 okay? It's like, okay, well, that's a bummer, you whiffed on that, and it's up to random chance. Ms. Marvel is a 4'15 if it does work out. If it does work out, and there's a lot of decks where I think she could fit in there, a 415 is, is stupid now. I mean, that's just stupid value. We can both agree. 315 with Zabu. But then, let's say one lane doesn't work, okay? Let's say Shadowland pops up, you got a Ninja, boom. You're it's done, right? Like, that's what you're talking about, the RNG element. She's a 4'10 A 4 She's a century. She's a 4'10 still great. Alright? If everything whiffs, she's at least a 4'5 right? So at the very least, she's giving you 5 power, which isn't great, but that's if she absolutely, completely whiffs. And that power cannot be changed, because it's the floated power like Mr. Fantastic is. Dude, I think there's so many de You are correct, there are ways to counter her completely. I think the week where she's hot won't be great, because everyone's gonna run the counters. Completely understand that. There are so many decks that you can create, where you're not all in on the unique cost thing, where she's simply just great stats.
Alexander Coccia:No, like, listen, you are right. At 415, that's like Dr. Doom stats, right? It's Dr. Doom stats at four costs. Potentially at three costs with Zabu. And so, like, you see the potential. But listen, I've been playing Marvel Snap for a long time. You've been playing Marvel Snap for a long time. You know what it's like to be like, I have this card, I know what I want to do with it. And Marvel Snap's like... Middle fingers to you, man. Like, that's not what's happening, right? This card feels like it's gonna be that card, like, half the time. And the other half of the time, you might start to set something up. You don't get the draws, or they start attacking the lane. You're like, I gotta play another three there. And then, like, okay, then you're right. Now, okay, now it's just five to the left, and that's still useful, right? Like, Claw's powerful, we talk about Claw being the Stealer of Cubes, it's, it's almost Claw's power being thrown into adjacency and you said last week There's something beautiful about power that can't be like straight up mitigated in the location like if it's negative zone It's still just five power, right? So it does have these moments where it's like this card might be good, but I see all these red flags Can I also be honest with you? I know we're cheating a little bit, but can we talk about Annihilus just quickly here? Like, Annihilus could screw this card up really bad.
Cozy Snap:Yes, you're right, and I think that's why he's probably gonna be there's a lot of like, okay. I want to sell you more on the cards and the decks I think she belongs in. Sell me, I need to be sold. Before, before I completely sell I'll let me just like, aid you in your conquest of hating Ms. Marvel like elephants. I think that there are, listen guys. Let's talk counters quickly with Ms. Marvel. Obviously we have one that's been mega popular. Kind of a good thing Mobius is gone because she would be even crazier. But man, a rogue is devastating. You take their Ms. Marvel, it's like, man, that's a bummer. Luckily, she still has the 5 stat line, right? But you have yourself the Rogue, you have Enchantress, Green Goblin, Debris, Hobgoblin, I guess. Which I actually think Hobgoblin will mess more people up than they think. Because a 5 cost is one that people rely on a lot, right? Those are like the, the immediate ones. And then you have Viper, with all the different things she can send over. A Hood a Sentry for 4 cost. Right, so those are the, the obvious Galarian counters. Let's talk where I think she's gonna fit. Now, first of all, the first thing I gotta talk about is a unique cost. Kind of a new breed of it, if you will, of Spectrum. Spectrum just got herself a nice little buff. Alright, you got a 6 7. This is where I think she's going to fit the best, with an either or situation. The idea that I think of, is that you have cards immediately, like obviously you have Mr. Fantastic, and things can be played in her lane. Her lane's fine, right? So you have essentially, you could play, what, Mr. Fantastic, you could play her down, and then you could do some other ongoing cards, and then you boost them all up with Spectrum. That's where I see playing a heavier, we see Spectrum lists right now with all these, like, low cost cards that you're trying to spit out there. This would be a Professor X on the right lane. You don't win it, who gives a darn? You do a Jeff and you have five power that can't be changed over there. It's done. You're gonna win that lane. And then all you have to do is focus on one of the other two lanes, and you have a way to spectrum to add even more power, right? So there's a lot of ways to win that. Maybe you get a what's that guy that's never played down? What's the guy with the giving the power? I can't think. Omega Red. You get him down, right? And then you can either pro X on top of that. You have the Miss Marvel. They can't add anything, and now you're adding all this power manipulation that can also be boosted up. With Spectrum as well. So, I think a Power, Curve, Ongoing deck is one of the decks that I like here in Alyx. I got more, but I want to hear your thoughts on that one.
Alexander Coccia:Okay, okay, you're starting to sell me, because I have been playing a lot of Spectrum lately, and Spectrum did just get buffed, and I mean, was the Spectrum buff... In anticipation of Ms. Marvel needing a little more help, I wonder, like, Hold on, because this is, this is, like, the meta of the buffs is not irrelevant here. I know it's like, Alex, you're reaching here, Spectrum getting buffed just before Ms. Marvel's season. This is, this is conspiracy talk, but we know they held the Spectrum buff before the Ms. Marvel season because they wanted to do the Spectrum buff for the Marvel's, like, movie and all that stuff. So, we know they're doing that, so there's a meta behind that. Is it crazy to think that in their testing, they're like, Ms. Marvel's just not quite doing it for us. Let's give Spectrum some love, it's an ongoing card. And then all of a sudden, you know, just everything might fall into place. Cozy, are you like, five heading the developer buff and nerf meta here, or what?
Cozy Snap:I think, dude, I saw something on this the other day, like... People are like, it's preposterous that they save buffs for movies and I just don't think so. Like, at the end of the day, that's just smart business. It's just smart business decisions, guys. Like, especially for Spectrum or what, like, I'm not offended if they, you know, I don't like when they do bundle stuff, that, that blows my mind. But when they do, like, hey, it's Spectrum season, they're gonna boost it up. And I don't think they hold back buffs, because Captain Marvel got her buff back in July. So they're not, like, holding back. Everything, but they do boost it up. Spectrum, absolutely, is going to be an either or card, potentially with Onslaught, going into that mainstay of the deck. Now, Alex, this is where I think I'm going to extra sell it here, okay? You've got down Miss Marvel, alright? On turn 4, maybe turn 3, if you can get the Zabu going. Let's say it's turn 3. What I like about her, is that you have yourself a choice at that point, okay? You can play and go extra crazy, And get Mystique down in the middle with her. And now you have another five on each side. Next play's gotta be Professor X from there because you know you're gonna win, okay? Maybe a life in the middle, I don't know. You can go that route, or, this is where it's crazy. You just throw down Cosmo. Right behind her. What are they gonna do? You're gonna have priority because you're spreading five. You're definitely gonna have priority most times. Cosmo answers every single counter to her in her lane. Outside of the debris and whatnot. Which I do think Toxic Decks are gonna be on a mega rise. And that's your biggest worry? I don't think it's a rogue. I don't think the Enchantress is there. Cosmo? No question, can protect her pretty easily.
Alexander Coccia:Your assessment of debris, like we kind of brushed over it fast, like debris is the biggest problem, I think. To some degree, to some degree, right? But yeah, I think it's right, you're right. Like, if you follow up with a Cosmo, like, the Enchantress makes, like, no impact on it, right? Rogue doesn't. I think Enchantress would be the biggest one. This is one of those effects that, like, if your deck's not designed for it, Roguing it might not be the greatest. I feel like Enchantress would probably be, like, the best answer here. Like, even Super Skrull doesn't really do what you want, cause like, you're probably not prepared for, you know, a Super Skrull situation here. Still would be beneficial, but like, again, the macro side and the deck design components of Ms. Marvel would require you to kind of be like, Hey, I need to make a deck a certain way, right? But I love what you're saying here. I think Cosmo does kind of sell me a little bit more on like, okay, if you protect it a little bit more... It's still hard to play though. Like, for me, it's like, Legion taught us that locations are incredibly valuable, are incredibly important, and they're never just gonna be perfect for ya. Yeah. That, like, it's the location thing for me, like, do we have an answer for the locations for Ms. Marvel?
Cozy Snap:You play her on the right side, and you get 5 power in the middle, and you have her on the right side. Like, that's, that, you get 10 power, you get 10 power there, right? And, and again, that's the way I view it, like, imagine too, like, you're gonna see these deck builds with Invisible Woman. Followed by, potentially, Fanta Mr. Fantastic, Ms. Marvel, Onslaught on top. And that way, you can legit pro ex, potentially, a lane, not care, and then you'll just win out the middle. Like, period, because of how much power you can have pumping into one lane, or Iron Man's in that lane, whatever. It's like the old school Pool 1 deck, right? Where it was like, Fanta Claw, or Iron Man, Onslaught. That same thing with Ms. Marvel can push out so much, and now, Enchantress has to be involved again. Because you cannot, you will lose to these if you don't have Enchantress, so, you know, that's gonna be a mega riser in the month. But Alex, here's another one, here's another one, right? So the ongoing effect, that's where I think it's gonna win, Spectrum to pop it all off, whatever it might be. But also, dude, I think she will maybe have a unique flex slot in a couple of decks. The first one that comes to mind for me is just one where she, like, can belong in a deck with unique costs. Darkhawk decks, you have Korg, yes, you have Rockslide, all different costs. And then, you just fill out the rest of the deck, you know, with these other cards that support it, that are all, like, an old Roxenhawks deck, right? Like, Agent Coulson produces you Perfect Curve. You might as well use that to your advantage, right? And then you have this mega Darkhawk that has a Mystique there to copy it. Or you go Darkhawk, Ms. Marvel, Mystique. That deck I think is going to work really well in addition.
Alexander Coccia:I can't believe it, but it's like you read my notes. I literally have Darkhawk deck seems like the best fit. For that exact reason, right? And when you think about what the change was to Rock Slide taking it down to a three. Like at first I thought it was a bit of a nerf, but now it's like, okay, unique cost unique cost, right? Which is cool. It's basically like an automatic Zabu effect, right? Like you lose a little bit of power, but it's like Zabu is already in effect for it, which is cool. It just works Korg Rockslide for all the reasons you said. I think it's actually a very capable deck, right? Mystique could be in one location Ms Marvel in the middle, Darkhawk in the other. It, it like, it's really well balanced for this type of archetype. And it's a little less susceptible to the location stuff because you have such a wide variety of costs, right? And effects as well, right? So cause you have on reveal effects, you have on going effects, so Isle of Sands can't destroy you, stuff like that, so... I I love the callout. Darkhawk Dex seems like a very natural fit for this, and probably would have go to number one.
Cozy Snap:She's a great answer for free to play or new players to Jeff in the Pro X problem, too. I think, like, that's a huge counter, or, you know reason that she's there to help out with the store, make the store more relevant again, whatnot. Into the deck. Here's my last little nugget that, like, okay, I get that the list is tight. Maybe you can make it work somewhere. But to me, it's like, alright, if we look at all the counters that are, are, are very tough on her. What about It's almost like a Phoenix Force deck in some sense. But when you have Venom and Carnage involved in decks, right? All of a sudden you have one card that takes over the complete lane and you shut down whatever RNG that happened. You shut down Goblins, you shut down Debris, and now you just have a three cost or just a two cost with Carnage. Now, this deck, there's no way I'm cooking this much, but like, let's say this isn't a Phoenix Force deck, where you do kinda have these random Destroy cards. Destroy typically needs to be all in, so I don't think she would make sense in that deck. But in the sense of the word, it's like, you know, imagine killing Ms. Marvel, Phoenix forcing her, and you can move that power. You know, do I need 5 power here? Do I need 10 power in the middle? Right? That's kind of a fun thing. But like, I think Destroy is gonna be great to help Ms. Marvel in some ways as well. Not my preferred deck. I'm going the ongoing route, but you know, just food for thought here.
Alexander Coccia:It is interesting because also just Destroy has the natural ability to just reduce the number of variables in any lane, right? Like, oh, there's the stupid Savage land Raptors, whatever, well, Carnage, right? You play Venom, Zola, then all of a sudden it's like you just, you Venom the lane, you clean it up, you Zola it, you split it, and next thing you know, it's like, Ms. Marvel could be sitting there just like, hey, enjoy your power, like, it's not a problem, right? I think, I think that the playstyle would be a little more complex, and I wonder if... Like, you're lacking enough things that you can't get the Venom vertical enough to really make it worth it, you know what I mean? Especially with, like, you're gonna get a lot of junk. This season's gonna be very junky, right? So, I think that Destroy might have, I mean, hmm. It might actually be a good season for Destroy, because they get to really counteract that junk well. But the power levels might be lower. I don't know, it's a good thought.
Cozy Snap:My last thought, before we go into November's cards here, and this one's like, wait a second, alright? Okay, what's another ongoing card, and you think like, well, how do you do unique stuff here? Dude, I feel like, and this is why I'm giving her such a high rank, I think it should be bonkers. I think an Electro Ramp deck is gonna work wonders with it, right? Because what you can do with this is bonkers. You have yourself some ongoing cards going out there early, right? Ebony Maw, whatever, okay? And then, you top it off with Electro that leads into Ms. Marvel. And then what you can do with this is a lot of different things, right? You can play the Onslaught on top of your Ms. Marvel, Bam player right in the middle. And then pick your lane of a 6 cost and a 5 cost, right? For Ms. Marvel's just complimenting this deck extensively. Saying, man, God forbid, you know, you're getting 5 power on each side, limiting it only to 1 play per turn. That's where I think this could be a really juicy deck, too.
Alexander Coccia:It's interesting. So it's like the idea of like, instead of doing like an Electro into you know, like a Doom Odin combination or something like that, which sends 10 power you're thinking about using Onslaught to double the effect and then do some additional reach on turn six with another drop. That's pretty interesting. It's a different approach to to playing an Electro style ramp deck that I had not. Prior considered like I mean it could in theory feel bad to play something like a Miss Marvel on turn four when you've Electro'd on Turn three right because you usually you want to be greedy, right? But you don't think it matters.
Cozy Snap:Still 15 And what's cool is you have an either or cuz frickin spectrum now if you get Sandman out Spectrum can now help all you one cost cards Miss Marvel and Sandman with one boom So you have like multiple play line wins you go on slot or spectrum dude, this is cooking, but I love it. I think that we're gonna see this that come out, maybe. But then you also get, you know, Alioth will be in there just because he's a great card to have as a protection. You know, Cosmo. There's ongoing cards that can kind of work into this. We'll have to see. I think this will be a greedier list, but it's another kind of home that I see. So with all that said and done, it gave her a two star rating at the beginning. Wait, can we make it a three?
Alexander Coccia:Man, I don't want to be that easily convinced.
Cozy Snap:Fair enough, fair enough.
Alexander Coccia:I still have my doubts. I'm gonna stick with two. Cozy, and in a month's time, I'm gonna be open for roasting. If I'm incorrect.
Cozy Snap:Fair enough. Yeah, I get it man, I get it. There's plenty of things that can definitely slow her down. So that's Ms. Marvel. Again, I'm on the Ms. Marvel train. I think she'll be fun. I think she finally, again, like Spectrum does, give ongoing an identity. Love to see it. However, Alex. Our next card coming out is going to be an interesting one. He has a hairdo for days. Gladiator is our first card coming at a really good spotlight. He is a 3 cost, 7 power card. On reveal, you're going to add a card from your opponent's deck to their side of this location. If it has less power than Gladiator. You're gonna destroy that card right away after their on reveal effect. What are your early impressions? Give me a star rating to kick it off.
Alexander Coccia:To kick it off, like, I'm going 4. I'm going 4. I think this card's good. There's a lot of cards that can't fight a 3 7. And not only are you trading that card with some destruction... But there's a chance that you're just like, auto reveal effects are often situational. Like you need an auto reveal effect to happen at a specific time. Like Galactus, randomized effects is not helpful. You need Galactus to drop at a specific time in a specific location. If you just pull a Galactus out and you just pump him, maybe their win condition just got destroyed, right? So I really like Gladiator. I really don't think his like the downsides that bad.
Cozy Snap:This was one that when I review the new cards, I'm like, oh my gosh, this could be the card of the month. The more I sit on him, I think he'll be very... Up and down, ebb and flow. He's gonna be a he will be a card that is subjected to the meta at the time, right? And, I do think that there will be consequence to him. Now, I wanna say I love the idea of playing him down, that you destroy it, or you play Shang Chi. Bada bing, bada boom, either way is great, right? For the most part. What I, what I worry about a little bit is him going up against Loki. You pull Loki, all of a sudden, like, yeah, you kill him, but they kind of got what they needed to do anyway. You pull a Venom, same thing. Venom eats everything up, he's gonna be bigger than you, he won't dive then. Then I guess you could Shang Chi either way. So I think there are definitely cards that you don't People absolutely screw up combo decks, right? Like, combo decks are gonna hate this card. However... So I give him like a, I'm giving him like a 3. 5, 3, probably 3 star that can go up to 4 star, 4. 5. I have good value there. He's got a lot going for him though. I think he's definitely great. I want to be careful on my full assessment and to see what, you know, he's gonna be a good card. I mean, let's face it. But you will have punishment games every now and then, and that will feel kind of... Bad. Now, as far as card synergy goes, Alex, I think there's a lot that goes with them. We kind of just tooted up the horn a little bit, but I gotta say, again, I do like Darkhawk because Korg Rockslide. What do you do? You pump in some rocks in the deck, so you kind of protect yourself from getting that great stat line, so you can have a good chance. Yes, it only destroys a rock. You're not destroying something else in their deck. But at the end of the day, you're going to be able to play the stat line that you get from him too, and then you're going to mix that in with a Zaw Bushung Chi package anyway. That's kind of like an initial, like, just like, good value play that I thought with him.
Alexander Coccia:Hey, this is interesting because I would never have gone down that road. This is two very convergent thoughts. Okay. Because in my head... I see where you're, where you're going. You're saying pump the deck full of rocks. So then you minimize the downside of pulling something that you can't contend with. I totally understand that. But my thought process is I see this card being analogous to something like a Yondu where I want the disruption effect. I want to roll on the chance to destroy a card. I want a Yondu. I want a gladiator. I want to just destroy their stuff. Then I want to pump them with a rock slide or something. Right. Like I want to take that role. And I think that like, there's a couple of ways you can mitigate this too. Like, if you think about it. Like, Doc Ock, pull on a full lane. Doesn't matter, right? Play Glide on a full lane. You just get the value, then Silver Surfer or whatever, right? That's cool.
Cozy Snap:It's the more fun list. It's the more fun You know, that's That There's always the fun list and the value list. The one I was saying was like, Okay, if you want him for the good stat, the good value, You know, you could go that route. But I do agree I think more people will play him the way you are saying, right? Just the simple Forge into him. You get 9 power, good luck. He's gonna beat anything he pulls out there. You win the game, right? Like, that's where I I do agree 100%. I don't want to skip past what you said, too. Play him in a full lane, right? Play him in a full lane, and you're good to go. He plays a lot like Maximus, right? You got Cosmo, you can play with him, Invisible Woman, same story, right? Like... It's gonna all work the same in a 3 7, I mean outside of werewolf by night, budging up the numbers pretty heavily, a 3 7 is, you know, obviously fantastic.
Alexander Coccia:It is a great, it's a great stat line. And the other side to it is like, I know we talked about the punishment side, but your opponent can't snap into you playing gladiator. Yeah. Right? So if you pull something, like you pull their doom and you trade the doom, the doom bots go and it ends up in a death's domain or whatever, then, then they snap. You're like, Oh, and you just like retreat. They're not going to be like, this guy's playing gladiator. He's going to pull my Giganto. Like, you know what I mean? It's not like they can't preemptively snap this. So the chances of you getting, maybe if they snap on you, you're like, man, do I run the risk of gladiator or do I retreat? Like maybe that's the decision making you play, but if you pull something awful for you, right. If he pulls Mr. Negative and they just get that for free and start drawing early, then yeah, maybe they snap and you just leave. Right. But I think the punishment side, like if people are really focusing on the punishment, I don't think it's as bad.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, I totally see that. I get it. I think he's gonna be a fun card. I like him in Conquest too. I like the threat of him, right? Like, you get him out on the first game, and then the rest, they're like, Oh my, are they gonna gladiator me? I also like if they had, like, let's say Wong, right? Using him as a state of, like, I either fill their lane out, or I kill something in their deck. You know what I mean? Like, I screw up what they're trying to set up. Or, I, you know, kill something and get the value out of their deck. I do agree. I think this guy is gonna come with a lot of fun play. There are gonna be players that love him, and there are gonna be the ones that just don't want to deal with the negative side of it. They'd rather the Spider Man, they'll figure something else out. But certainly he's gonna fit into Silver Surfer in some degree because of just the great stat.
Alexander Coccia:You have to, I mean, Polaris was being used in Silver Surfer just for pure stats, but then we started to get major uses for her ability as well. Like, I don't know. I see this card being very good. Like it, for me, it's like, it's not, I understand the disruption side, but for me, it's not Titania. Like if you, if you compare Titania and Gladiator and like the difficulty of balancing their effects, Titania is way harder. This is way easier to play. Like, I think that we're working up a card that's probably good.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, I like and it's on reveal, so there's ways to abuse that, right? Like, different things that you can do synergistic wise to get that even more pumped up. Definitely agree, and we're gonna keep getting cards that can boost up power, I'm sure. Alex, our next card, they did adjust because he was probably a little bit too hot. Anytime we see adjustment, we know why. They've always released a little bit too good. We have Annihilist Man. He's a 5 cost, 7 power now. On reveal, your cards with 0 or less power. Switch sides, destroy those. That can't oh Boy, oh boy, Alex. I did listen this this to me is the new most hated card This get Marvel snap is gonna change after this guy comes out. He's gonna be a card you constantly Constantly have to worry about when you start seeing stuff happening on their side and there's signs leading up to a possible Annihilus, what is your star rating here?
Alexander Coccia:Oh, this is so hard. I mean, I'm gonna lean towards like a 4. Like my, like this is pure disruption standpoint. But I honestly can see it falling to a 3. Because there are some complicating factors here that we don't quite have the answers for. Like for instance, like you know, if like which, which cards on your lane actually go through, like what's the actual order? You know like when you move it goes like top left to bottom right? Well like, if your, if their side has two cards there. Like, which are the cards that flip, which can be important, right? I think there's some complicating mechanics here, but there's no denying that this is a very powerful effect that could absolutely result in smashed phones. Like, I can see, this is a card I think everyone has to have in your collection. Like, it is so unique. It's not like Thanos unique, but there's not, we're not gonna have another card that does this. No,
Cozy Snap:no, no, no. He makes, yeah, he makes his own archetype in a sense. His own deck, his own play style. I agree. Here's the thing. That's cool. I love that. He just destroys the ones that can't, right? Like, so you're not even risking any, you're not, this is what you're risking. The deck you're building, for the most part is probably gonna want to rely on all that negative shifting power. But that doesn't mean you can't have a hood with a demon. You still have the demon on your side. You know, you still have things that can help him out and boost up early, and then you just have to ho, you know, we're gonna have this kind of battle of flood decks with a nihilist. It's gonna be crazy. I'm giving him a, to me, I'm giving him a 4 star easy and if not higher than that, just because of his unique abilities. Maybe we whiff on this. I don't know how, though. I think his ability is so strong already with what you have. He can also kinda tech against goblins and stuff, which is nice as well. But if you just combine Annihilus here with already Viper and Sentry, oh wait, he can send a Void Over, dude. What? The negative 10 for free all in one. The Hood, you're already having enough on your side to push over. This guy's gonna be a problem. We have one last card coming out, and that is going to be Martyr. Martyr is a 1 cost now 4 power card at the, I can't even, at the end of the game. Move to a location that loses you the game if possible. It's the anti Captain Marvel. Alex, thoughts?
Alexander Coccia:I mean, this is a card that I'm not particularly excited about at all. I gotta be honest with you. It's a 1 4, it's like not worth zeroing. It's like, not that good. What's your rating? I don't know, man. I don't want to say like, I don't want to say one star, but like, but then again, it got nerfed, like it got brought down in power. Like they must've done something with it. They're like, yo, this is really good with pro X. Like it can't move when you pro X it, right? Like, so it's like, it must've had something to go down to a one four, but I'm just like, I mean, Hawkeye's a one four that really doesn't need that much effort is better in balance. I mean, like, am I not seeing something cozy? I need you to sell me. Cause like, for me, this is, this is. I'm low on this one.
Cozy Snap:Nah, it's a little bit of a gimmick. It's definitely a gimmick card in a sense, you know what I mean? Like, I'm not crazy about it. I don't think they brought her down, by the way, because she was too good. I think she was too bad. I think 2 5. It's like, why would you spend that real estate outside of Killmonger, you know, being the issue? But, this is where I see her, okay? And this is where I see her, and what I will say is, the stats are okay. But the problem is, is like, in a world with Kitty Pride still, and Nebula, and we've got Elsa boosting up these 1 cost cards. It's just like the 4 power isn't like, oh man, that's worth the risk, right? Like, I feel like even 1 5, the Titania level could go with it. The problem is, the more power you give her, the less likely she is to lose you the game, which is a great way to counter her, right? Like, you can play a forge with her, and all of a sudden now, like, there's not a lot of places she can go. She's gonna help you win the game, if anything, right? And it's only one cost, so I do love that about her. I think she'll be okay. I think she'll be... Cool. I think she'll make Zoo decks a little bit better, cause you're already flooding the lanes. Like, you're gonna wanna flood lanes, you know, often, to make sure she can't move, right? Like, talk about a Zoo deck where you play Ultron, and you just fill everything out so that she, she isn't moving anyway. You just said Professor X. The two biggest decks that I see her in is Zero. A Zero based list, why would you not, right? You can easily get yourself a nice little bang bang play with her. I think Living Tribunal is the no question answer that's gonna want this card.
Alexander Coccia:Really? Okay, so just a couple things here. So like, I, okay, you're higher than me on this card. I'm not crazy about it. I'm not crazy. Unmitigated filth. It's like, why play this when I could play Titania 0, Ebony Maw 0? Like, how many 1 drops do you want with 0 anyway? It's like, then you got Lizard on 2, right? It's like, 0 has targets, right? 0 has targets. Like, I just, I just don't see it, right? I just don't, I just don't see the allure here. And... Okay, Zoo's good. Okay, here's the question. Is it a net buff or nerf to someone like Shauna? Like, does Shauna get better because of Martyr? Because she fills the locations and Martyr can't move? Or is it worse now because you've Shauna and then Martyr's like, Hey, screw you! I'm going over here now.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, you almost like can't depend on her power winning you that lane because she could leave at any time to lose it. I totally get it. I understand it. But dude, I mean, I don't know, if you think about it, you know, you can you know, she's good venom bait, you know, I'm not trying to say she's a good card, I do think, though, she will have unique play. I just don't know if the stats line up, you know, enough to make her extremely worth it altogether. I gave her a 2 star. That's what I feel like she's going to be a Black Knight territory card.
Alexander Coccia:Oh, I think she's worse. I'm, you know, I'm going one. I'm giving her one. I'm going one. Hey, listen, a month from now, I'm opening myself up for getting absolutely punished with some of my ratings, but I'm going with my heart. Martyr's getting a one for me. I just don't see why I'd want to play this card. And maybe I'm wrong. I hope I am. I love being wrong. I asked my wife, I'm wrong all the time, but like, seriously, I think this card's poo.
Cozy Snap:Listen, I love it. We had very different opinions on most of the cards today outside of, I think, Annihilus. Gladiator, we even differed a little bit. This one we kind of both hated it. But that's what makes it fun, and we're gonna have to see. But November, dude, I'm telling you, I can't wait to go on the next Snapchat, and we're not gonna just blaze by it. We're talking Ms. Marvel heavily once we get our hands on the card..
Alexander Coccia:Alright, today we're going to be discussing Werewolf by Night. This card has taken the meta by storm. It's been a ton of fun to play. Cozy, what have been your thoughts on Werewolf by Night thus far?
Cozy Snap:Yeah, oh man, talk about a card that, it just stat wise, obviously makes sense, right? Like, just he is incredible stat wise. I think he's fun. I think he's unpredictable. He fits into a good amount of decks that I thought he was going to fit into. Nothing about him surprised me outside of one synergy, and that is he just doesn't work with Elsa. You just don't want him to be played with Elsa. I thought maybe there'd be something there. There's definitely not, in my opinion. But other than that, man, I love him. I think he's a great card. I can't wait to break him down more. What about yourself?
Alexander Coccia:Actually, it's funny you mentioned Elsa, because I had been experimenting with him with Elsa, and I'm like, I kind of knew the answers on a couple things, I'm like, hey, if I play Elsa and like, something else, will he bounce over and get the buff? He does not get the buff, right? And then like, he starts to clog locations awkwardly, right? So there's like, because like, you play a card, then he comes over as the fourth, and you're like, it's not working like I want it to. So you're right to identify that Elsa's not actually synergistic. But I've actually really enjoyed the card a lot. And first of all, from a win rate perspective, it's hovering in like the mid fifties, right? Which is good. That's where you want to see it. It's getting lots of play, but it's not like overbearing because I think it has a lot of interesting checks and balances here. I think it's a really nicely designed card. First of all, extremely high ceiling, extremely high ceiling. I I've seen like. I've been playing with like, kind of like the, that old, like blood Glenny stone, which I called it, right. Which is kind of that the, the Jane Foster you know yellow jacket wasp style list. You get a list like that, that miracles on turn six and we're all just like, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. He's bouncing all over the place. And the plus two adds up pretty fast. Cozy. I've been seeing some heavy numbers. Like, what are you getting to getting him to on average? Oh, dude,
Cozy Snap:and the decks I play in, legit 15 Almost every time. Like, that's what's so crazy. 12, 15. It doesn't really matter when you play him down 3 or 4, because, you know, even by turn 5 and 6, those are the moneymaker turns that you could really get him cooking. He's not a card like I don't have a great example, but a card that you need to get out there right away to start getting him. Yes, it could feel bad, but in some instances, even when I was playing the Thor one, I'd play Thor on three to make sure I got the hammer and a good rotation, at least, if I didn't have Jain. And then I would play Werewolf, even though I was missing out on the plus stat going over from playing the Thor, right? So listen, dude. I love everything about this card. I really do. I think that he works in a couple of decks particular that are just... Next level and he's a big brain card. He does take some thought process. He's not the easiest, but Alex right away He's a card that is gonna age perfectly because it's on reveal They nailed it here, right? Even if Cosmo blocks it he gets the plus two. I mean, that's beautiful It's so great. You could play it in a nowhere. It gets plus two. That's great. The thing I don't like though Is how it resolves. So if I play Nico, that can turn a card into a demon, and I play Bast, It is gonna be a demon, not Bast. Even though she does her on reveal before the demon, Werewolf will not bounce. Same goes for RO and Mystique.
Alexander Coccia:That's a huge scam. There's two other cards that do that too. That I was like, really? Hulk Buster? Yeah. Like you're not letting it bounce on Hulk. But I was like, come on, it's gotta bounce on Hulk Buster. Yeah, it's an on reveal card. I know, I understand. Like it merges, it becomes the other card technically. Right, but like
Cozy Snap:you're playing it on Reveal. It's gotta move. You're playing it on. Move it. That must be a buck. It mu I feel like it has to be a bug.'cause you're playing it on Reveal.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, even Luke's Bar. I had a game Luke's Bar. I played something, whatever it was, into Luke's Bar, and I'm like, hey, he's got to move. He's got to bounce over, and it just didn't bounce over. I was like, well, I just played it on reveal. It, like, I would have won Luke's Bar, and it just didn't work. I was like, is that a bug? Like, is that a bug, or is that actually the design? It seems so inconsistent. If I play you know, Black Widow into, which I think it was Black Widow. If I play Black Widow into Luke's Bar, This wolf better jump over to Luke's bar. I don't care. It should just do
Cozy Snap:it. All I know is the two lists that I was playing a lot. The Jane Foster list is great. I think it just works out really well with how that deck wants to play anyway. Sadly, he's really good in Loki. It makes sense. You have Snowguard that pushes out cards. Sentinel was a really cheeky playwright because you just keep on getting those cards back. So that was like really fun to boost up his numbers. He's performing well there. I'm telling you, I think that at a competitive format, now that Mobius is gone, Bouncelist is where it's at for the biggest brain plays. I was able to have some of the most crazy swing turns I've ever done in Marvel Snap, on stream, with Werewolf by night. That almost always felt... Good to do, right? Like, no matter what I was doing, he was gaining power, and I was ending up with 20 plus power on a werewolf, and I had Darkhawk to handle the other lane, right? So, to me, I love the thought process of dodging things, trying to stop him. I love the idea of bouncing him around, and the opponent has no idea where it's gonna finish off. Dude, I think I I just think he's good. I think he is still getting Not the, the, all the respect that he deserves as a three cost. Buddy,
Alexander Coccia:first of all, I know you're telling the truth because I watched it live. For those who don't know, Cozy's been streaming again. Absolutely streaming again, and he was on fire with that bounce deck. And you're right, it was crazy. Especially when you, like, you beast, everything's discounted, and then you get to play all these cards with unreveals again, and it's just like, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, and it's just bouncing all over the place. And it's actually a pretty satisfying bounce. It kind of does like a little flippy thing a little bit, almost like a, it's like they kind of Took the Spider Man effect and just said, let's just change it around a little bit and make it a little more fun. Yeah. I really like it. It's a, it's good. And for me, for me, I, you have to know I played it in surfer. I played a lot. Yeah, it was good in Loki. It was good. And look, I really liked it. And look, if the exact same reasons you did, Loki has so many on reveal cards. I actually didn't play Sentinel. That's when you're like, son, I'm like, Oh man, that's a good idea. I hadn't actually played Sentinel in my Loki deck makes sense because you're also keeping your hand popped up for the Loki play to cozy. You're always on the. And then anyways one thing I will say though is in Surfer, I thought he was great. I thought he was great. The idea of having him come back to the Surfer location, which is often like a place that needs some space, right? It needs, it needs some love because Surfer itself is a little underpowered. It's not getting its own buff naturally and Werewolf by Night by Night does that. And but... I had to cut Brood out. Yeah, I was just about to leave with that. It was too clunky, it just didn't do it.
Cozy Snap:It took me like an, two hours of my stream to make the Surfer list that finally felt great with him. Because then I was like, okay, maybe I put Brood in there as an either or situation. But like, truly, this guy needs the space. Like, he truly needs the space to work. The only, like, people were saying Thanos, I love him in Thanos. Yes, you have to have Killmonger at that point. Like, you cannot deal with those stones. It, it, you're gonna be filled up way too fast. Surfer was the same boy. Like it was such a complicated list because you wanted to look at, A, the perfect mixture of on reveal 3 cost cards, but then also, how can you really make sure, reliably, that you're gonna end up winning without Brood, a mainstay of the deck. So what were some of the 3 cost cards that you
Alexander Coccia:landed on? Well, okay. We're gonna derail a little bit. Because while I was testing Werewolf extensively, there was a card that I kept playing that was by far my favorite of the night. And I want to talk about maybe my favorite cost, but okay, I'll exclude it here, we'll talk about it right now. I played so much Negasonic with Werewolf by night. How good is Negasonic now, by the way? Yeah,
Cozy Snap:okay, so like, almost two separate conversations, because I feel like
Alexander Coccia:I know, we're like derailing hard, but you just, it's inspired, we gotta talk about it now. So,
Cozy Snap:I didn't actually, like, go cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs for Negasonic. In the Surfer deck, right, like just in that deck because of the way priority worked, kind of messed me up too much. But her as a card? Yo, yo,
Alexander Coccia:yo, seriously, it's good. And I disagree, I thought it was so good in Surfer. Really? Okay. I was crushing guys with it. I was like, oh man, they don't turn six Negasonic. I had initiative often. I don't know why, I guess I was playing a little greedy. I was playing Maximus, I was playing greedier cards.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I like Maximus too, yep.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, like, and like, I had Negasonic, and like, with Sarah, oh, you're just like, Negasonic a location, get rekt, noob. like, it's so good. She survives, she doesn't die, she's like, hey, give me that plus two. Boom, it's so good. Yeah, late game, oh. So I was doing Werewolf by Night in this Negasonic deck, with like, Maximus, Polaris, and others, because like, I want the verticality now. Because if you're not playing Brood, you need, you need to win somehow. You need power and so like, I wanted to be able to like sneakily trade locations with Negasonic, if only just be like, Hey, I'm going to add some power there, but at least if they play there, they have to commit two cards. I really liked the blind game side. And again, it's like what we keep talking about. This is like. We were talking about it with Ms. Marvel, we were talking about it with Werewolf. These macro style cards that are just not like, it's just more power. No, you have to think. It's about, you got to think a turn ahead about how you're going to position Negasonic for how you're going to close the game. Man, I love Negasonic and I think it worked really well on the Surfer Shell with with
Cozy Snap:the Werewolf. Yeah, for sure, dude. I felt like if you go down to the bottom and we start by power. Dude, I just plugged in the Power 3. Polaris, Spider Man. And Maximus. Those three alone, it's like, they're gonna win one lane, and I'll let Werewolf win the Werewolf can win his own lane. Like, he's friggin he's gonna do his own thing. He can do great there. And then, dude, I I didn't commit to it enough. I wanna play more of it. When I was even playing the new statline wave, I was like 3 5. Sign me up to get Sarah out a turn earlier, and then at that point, maybe you can plug in, dare I say, Alioth in the deck, whatever, to help out with Werewolf at the last turn of the play. I ended up cutting wave, but I was like, you know, a 3 5 boost up later, that you can also add, get the Sarah out there, it made sense stat wise.
Alexander Coccia:And on reveal. I need more time with Wave. I need more time. I think you're right. I think there's more to Wave than the initial nerf might, like, kind of make it seem out to be. It is definitely a nerf, but at the same time, like, Silver Surfer, can you make it work? Getting that Sera on turn 5, I always feel like my hand's empty though, right, like on turn 6. I don't feel like I'm holding many cards in Silver Surfer, so, like, Sera on turn 5. Is it really that beneficial? But then again, like, what are you playing on turn four? That's better than Sarah anyway. So it's like, it's kind of an interesting idea there. But honestly I think werewolf by night and surfer was a ton of fun for me. And that's what I did it. And it's, it's just been good. And the other place I got to talk about a move.
Cozy Snap:Like, Oh yeah, dude. Right. It kind of works. Like it, it. Move will always continue to be such a hard deck to pilot, because you're coming back to it after being like, It's like going out and trying to, you know, shoot hoops with your, with your buddies that you haven't played in two years. You're gonna probably not be that good. So people play Move decks again, and they're like, Ah, it's okay. It's like, no, you probably just suck at piloting it. What'd you think about him and Move?
Alexander Coccia:Well, first of all, you're right, because we had the move season with Ghost Spider, where we were like, we were practicing move, I've not played much move since, so like, I'm playing this werewolf by night, and I'm like, roping, I'm like, and everyone's like, stop roping the guy, I'm like, I'm not trying to, I don't know what's going on, like, I'm trying to do the math here, and I'm not, I'm not a math teacher, I think that has been established, I mean, one of the sayings on my stream is, we just don't do the math, right? It's like, we always believe in the heart of the cards, we never believe in the math of the cards, that's just what we do, but so it's like, It was good, honestly, and like, it just, there's so many natural on reveals, even in move, but like, you kind of, but there's some awkward ones too. It's like, like like Doctor Strange kind of feels awkward to play sometimes. Yeah, I got rid of him. Really want to, like, I got my pulling, I don't want to pull Werewolf by night, he's my biggest card, so, like, I think there's some tuning there, but at the same time, there is some serious synergistic stuff. Like, if you can get that like a really nice Hulk Buster, Forge, like, I was playing this list with Forge. Multiple Man Hulk Buster, which is so greedy, but hey, I got Chavez there. So, you know, I'm drawing what I need. And then what I did was I have this beautiful, chunky, you know, multiple man bouncing around, stuff like that. But then at the end of the day, right? Yeah. You have your your wolf out, you do a nice little cloak play. He bounces that one time already. He's already a 3 5, and then you Heimdall, what happens? He comes on over, he's a 3 7, but it's a Heimdall, he's 3 7 with Heimdall in the Heimdall location. That's, that's a chonky lane. Yeah, we Suddenly it's like, you're pushing all this power with the multiple man, and the Heimdall location's legit.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, we talked about this last week, we're like, wait, Heimdall finally gets love, and it worked, man, it worked. I ended up even putting Storm in the deck, because I loved the idea of just like, alright, I'll get rid of that left location. And I'm just gonna bank on my Heimdall winning it out with the right location, move stuff over. And you're, dude, the amount of natural honor veils, Iron Fist, boom, done, easy, no, you know, no problem. Ghost Spider works. There's a lot of honor veils that can get him cooking pretty quickly. And, and not to mention just the Kraven synergy that works out too, like, Kraven's so cool now because, like, not only are you boosting up your Kraven, but most games now, dude, the enemy is also boosting up your Kraven. And they don't even mean to, but they're like, I kinda have to go to that lane, right? Like, It feels fantastic all the way around. Yeah, I like it. The key thing about
Alexander Coccia:Kraven too, which is fantastic with Werewolf by Night, and like, this is, I know Alex, you're really reaching Colleen into Synergy, but listen, if you play Werewolf by Night on Kraven, right? And then you Heimdall, the Kraven gets buffed with the Werewolf moving. And then does the bounce. So you're kind of double dipping there, right? Obviously, like, the werewolf doesn't get buffed from the move, like, a multiple man or Kraven itself, of course, or what's it called? Human Torch. But, you're buffing Kraven by two because you're with him, and then you're just piecing out. You're just piecing out, and you're going to help the Heimdall. Like, it actually is cool. And if you can ultimately have your, your your werewolf land on that Kraven location and then push it, like, it's just, it's so much added power on turn six. Well, also being like hard to predict for your opponent, like, even if they're like, oh, they're going to Heimdall, like, maybe you just don't Heimdall. Maybe you do a Ghost Spider play. And then he, like, there's anytime you have multiple options with a move deck, they're always going to respect Heimdall, but they're also going to have to respect the fact that you have an incredibly mobile piece in the Werewolf by Night. So I love his flexibility. Yeah,
Cozy Snap:I was so sad to see the wave change happen right as he released. Cause dude, I was like, holy shit, move wave is going to be unbeatable. Because you now have, they can only play one card. You can only play one card. You Heimdall and werewolf helps you out. You win. It's over. And then of course it was dead on arrival. That was a bit of a, of a sad moment because I loved the way that move wave did work going into turn five. Had a perfect pairing there. But yeah dude, love the callout. I think we're going to see more of this deck and more of traditional move, which you'll love to see. Werewolf by night, good card, still a good card, and it's just fun dude. Fun card too. Yeah,
Alexander Coccia:it's gonna be fun. I can't wait for our conversation at you know, a couple weeks from now when it's perhaps blowing up out of proportions. Cause I think it's, it's ceiling is pretty high. Hopefully it doesn't get nerfed. Anyways, let's move on to... Our favourite cost cards in October. I said that really awkwardly, but you know what I mean. We're going to be talking about our favourite cards at every single cost for the last month and the past season. I love this conversation. I know that it is by far one of my absolute favourites. I have two per cost, because I know we might pick some similar stuff, but it's also, we're not saying it has to be the best at every cost. We're just saying our favourites. So, Cozy, I'm gonna allow you to do one or two as well, because this is often a battling point between Cozy and I, but no more than three, Cozy, because I know you like to cheat sometimes, and like, you talk about your one cost for 45 minutes, while I'm just sitting on mine, just waiting to talk. Cozy, you know what? Out of pure respect, I'm gonna give you the first shot at one cost. What was your favourite one cost cards of the October season?
Cozy Snap:Yeah, so I have two of these that have two choices, the rest I had one, but one cost is the one that I had two on, so... In the season, for the season, I already just said it on mine earlier, I haven't liked the card more. Yeah, Nico, Nico is going to occupy my 1 cost slot moving forward. Most likely, I'm gonna make her work in all the decks. Every single time people came into the stream with me having Nico in a deck and they'd be like you know, why do you have Nico here? I'd say, because why not, right? Like, in balance, in all these decks, just makes sense, have good use out of her. If it wasn't her though, for the, the double up, how do you not pick Deadpool this season? How do you not pick Deadpool right now with how crazy his decks are going, how good Destroy is to a core against things like Loki? It's gotta be Deadpool for me. What about you? What a cheater, man. You're
Alexander Coccia:picking Deadpool and Nico, meanwhile you're playing Nico in Deadpool decks most likely, right? It's like, you just double dipped in the sea! You're picking the same card. No, I agree. I mean, Nico was my top pick too, just cause it's so fun. And I'm not putting her in every deck. I'm putting her where you know, and just, I'm putting her as a nice flavor splash in so many different things. Like she's just been really good and just fun. My other card though, I know you'd be like, Alex, seriously? Come on. He just got buffed though. He just got buffed. It's Uatu! It's Uatu! I played an obscene amount of Uatu during the Twitch Rivals streams, right? I went like multiple days without sleeping. I went like 72 hours without sleeping, playing multiple like crazy overnighters, and I played tons of Uatu. Because I'm like, listen guys, we're on the long haul here. We're going to be the ones that makes Uatu work. Now, I can confirm two things. One, Uatu, complete horse manure. Okay, not a good card, not a good card. But two, has moments where it's hilarious. Like, okay, so bar with no name. You have Uatu in your hand. Bar with no name reveals on the right side. Turn one. So good. You play him there, right? You play him there. Cause then your opponent is like, Oh! They know something's there. They're playing Uatu there. And they start throwing power there on turn two. And then it's, it's bar with no name! And you're like, get rekt noob! And they retreat in shame. It happened more than once. No way. Unbelievable! Like, the fact that you can bait someone into thinking, Oh, they have a Wattu. First of all, why the hell are they playing a Wattu? And, oh, they're playing it to the right location. I gotta go there, and it's like Bar with No Name or it's something completely catastrophic to their opponent, to the opponent. Like, it is actually legitimately funny. But the one thing I found, Cozy, that was awkward, was that I often in Conquest didn't actually want to play my Wattu. Because I didn't want my opponent to know I had it.
Cozy Snap:Ah, okay, yeah, yeah, that makes sense. So you always have the leverage kind of throughout the match until you really need to throw out that two power stat line.
Alexander Coccia:Two power, at the time it was one. I was playing with the crappier Watu buddy. Oh my gosh. I was talking about Twitch Rivals, or not Twitch Rivals, Twitch Drops, right? He just got buffed in the last patch. But anyways yeah, Watu, I mean, I love playing him just cause it's a meme at this point. I also have the Chihuahtu variant. That you know, I regrettably spent too much Get dog, the dog one, yeah? The dog is Chihuahua too. What is Get it, dog! Get this out of here! These are the worst variants I've ever seen. Not only is he a terrible, unplayable car, he's absolutely just garbage to your variants too.
Cozy Snap:There's no epic variant you can make. I would I would kill to see the ultimate variant of this guy, you know, like a like a perfect, like Chiseled face in Watsu. Probably don't see him coming.
Alexander Coccia:He's in the Groot shorts. I don't know that.
Cozy Snap:He's in the Groot shorts. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I did, yeah. Briefly. I, listen, I admire the love for Watsu that you have. I admire it and I'm jealous of it. Cause I yeah, I don't, I don't. Him and Orca, man. Love to see it. I love to see it. Two cost Alex, what are you thinking for favorite cards here?
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, I want to shout out Elsa, just because I thought it was great. I thought it was a really good season pass card. Unfortunately, it got nerfed, but it probably had to. But I want to just throw that out there. But for me, the real two costs of the season was Black Widow. I I couldn't get enough of it. I played so much Black Widow. I have
Cozy Snap:Black Widow as well, as mine. Yeah, so we can talk Yeah, we can talk together. Yeah, I've I've I've played the hell out of her. Player in Bound 6, player in Toxic Dex, dude. The Widow's Bite at negative one now. Have fun. It is such a Dude, it's just so punishing. It's so good. It feels Like, she went from literally always not making the cut, to consistently making the cut. I think Black Widow, yeah, I could not agree more.
Alexander Coccia:But I do think there's some suspect programming in the game, I don't know if it's a bug or not. But when you get Black Widow for turn 2 and you play it, almost always on turn 3, the third location is Gamma Lab. Almost always. on, seriously man?
Cozy Snap:Why does it have to be Gamma Lab on turn 3? Mirror Island, yeah, Mirror Island Alter, Death Alter, yeah.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, Alter of Death too, it's just always like, come on, really? That's the way my life works. I always think about that. Yep,
Cozy Snap:yep, yep. So I like that pick. Good, strong pick. I actually had the same thing. I had Elsa into Black Widow. So funny that you said that. And honestly, there wasn't like another one that I was like, ooh, that one. It was those two by a good margin. And I would give the, I mean, come on, we haven't had enough time. But Ravonna, you know, is going to be a blast. Three costs, Alex. There's a few options here. You went with
Alexander Coccia:Negasonic, yeah? Yeah, Negasonic is one of my honorable mentions, but The real one for me. The real one. And I know that you are gonna be like, Alex, you just copied me now. We gotta, we gotta keep the streak alive. Someone's gotta talk about Jean Grey. I've been playing so much Jean Grey lately, and I know, I feel like I'm behind the curve. Like, you fall in love with Echo, and then you convince me Echo is great. I play non stop Echo, you stop playing Echo. And then you play Jean Grey for months, and then I think you've kind of cooled off Jean Grey lately.
Cozy Snap:Because I had her in every deck, eventually I was like, people are gonna like, stop doing it.
Alexander Coccia:I'm not on Jean Grey, and I can't stop playing Jean Grey, so it's like, I fell in love with Jean Grey again. So Jean Grey and Negasonic for me have been the absolute absolute god tier cards.
Cozy Snap:It just blew my mind that like, people hated her for so much. Like, it's like, dude, what you do to other decks, you screw players over. Like, completely mess them up. Kitty Pryde has been tamed down. It's like, Elsa getting nerfed hurt her a little bit, but even more so. And Angela was a huge nerf to Jean Grey. But what did it do? It hurt her counter even more. It hurt Kitty Pryde even more. And that was the biggest counter to her. So, Jean Grey, dude. Gah! Love to hear you say it, man. It just, it just feels good. Jean Grey, I had as my, my alternate pick, as always. For me, kind of a weird one. I'm gonna go with Hulkbuster. I feel like Hulkbuster is just so good. He's such a great card. He never feels bad going into any card. He saves you space. A 3 5 now is fantastic. You'll love to see it. I I just think he's a good card all the way around and I I love his versatility in different decks to combine with cards with other abilities, you know, having Nico copy the next card that you play, and you do Hawkbuster into Nico, and you get the Nico back in a one step, there's just cool interactions with him. I like him a lot.
Alexander Coccia:I can't believe we haven't even talked about Hawkbuster. This was by far the least played card in Marvel Snap for the longest time. Gets one power buff, a couple additions to the meta, and it's now a legit card. It's now a very legit card, and I mean, I'm all for it. I've always liked Hulkbuster. I think it does a really interesting thing in managing board space, right, because it's very easy to forget. You only got 12 slots on that board, right? So, I really like what it does. And as we move on to cost number 4, I think it's important to also shout out the Rogue. Rogue, I think, is definitely worth a shout out for this past season, too. Rogues was really good. Didn't make either of ours, but Rogue was probably, in terms of meta relevance, one of the absolute most meta defining 3 drops. For 4, you're cozy. I'm gonna defer to you here.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, it is not even close. It's gonna be the Man Thing with one other card, right? So Man Thing I had him in a good chunk of my decks as well. Played him fairly often. He won me a ton of different games. Love the play style. Think he's a ton of fun. My other one that I have, because we said two on some, is going to be Phoenix Force. I ended up... Falling in love with Phoenix Force and I think this is a card that's gone from like, Oh, it's good in some decks to just being a good card. I think Phoenix Force is now a good card. It works. The deck works pretty good, but this deck, this card is only gonna get better, and I've been having a lot of fun with it.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, Phoenix Force is definitely fun, but it can feel a little feast and famine, eh? Like it does have its, it's like, well, I drew everything horribly and now I'm, oh, look at that. There's they just kill mongered a bunch of stuff and now I'm resurrecting a raptor. It's like, there's a lot of that that happens at times, but it's good to see the Phoenix Force is getting a little bit of an opportunity to at least see some experimentation. And the decks are by no means like extremely high win rate, but you know what? Honestly, I've gone against a couple of Phoenix Force decks in Conquest. And like, you gotta be wary of them. Like, when they get rolling, you're like, I can't do anything to this, this phoenix force multiple man that's bouncing around all over the place, and you just can't do nothing, right? Oh, it's like, it's kinda crazy, and you can't Shang Chi it easily, right? You can't Shadow King it easily, it's so mobile, you have to like, you have to like, soul read their plays half the time. It's, it's a pretty cool card.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, she got the ranking, she got me to the top thousand alone. From the Inferno Tower hot location, man. Oh my gosh, they were playing cards, destroying it. I didn't give a rip what they destroyed. I was just Phoenix forcing it back no matter what. Like, that was that's where she gets my, my big shout out and love. What is your forecast?
Alexander Coccia:The first is Wong. It's been so long since I felt like proud to play Wong. And with the, the changes to the on reveal archetype, Wong has felt great again. Like honestly, and this has been one of those cards that felt like a really big noob trap for a long time where it's like, you look at it, you're like, how can this not be amazing? Yeah. And then like you unlock it and you're like, wait, this card is actually not that good. It's, you know, you're in pool three. You're like, you get your Wong and you think it's the ticket. to the holy grail of you know, infinite and high rank and rank one and he's just not like it just was never that and then so you know next thing you know it a couple changes here a couple buffs there a couple meta shifts there Cosmo doesn't exist and and Wong is pumping out power so for me Wong was definitely number one thoughts on Wong cozy
Cozy Snap:yeah dude i love i was putting Wong in a lot more decks and i and and people even like a little judgment like you got Wong in here i'm like dude he works He definitely works. This has been the best season to play him probably yet.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, absolutely. And my, my second it's been just a rekindling of my love for Darkhawk. I think that Darkhawk is being slept on huge. I've played a lot of Darkhawk. I feel like it's not seeing or getting much respect. And to be honest with you, I've been playing Darkhawk with Manthing. So like, I loved your pick there because I think that it works really naturally in those decks. And even before the Mobius nerf, I was playing Zabu and I was not seeing that much Mobius. So it's like, I was getting a lot of value from Darkhawk. I thought it was good. I still liked and liked the disruption of the Rockside Korg. I mean, Black Widow getting buffed allows Black Widow to enter some of those decks, if not most of those decks now. Right. I don't know, man. I think Darkhawk's actually probably one of the most underrated cards in Snap right now. Like, it's not getting much play, but it should be.
Cozy Snap:Because it slaps Thanos, too. Like, completely owns Thanos deck, which you gotta love. What about Fivecast?
Alexander Coccia:Okay. No, you're gonna be like, Alex... You must have been trying so hard not to say this card while you're talking about Wong. It's the White Tiger. White Tiger was, I mean, Wong and White Tiger kind of go hand in hand here. Because like my love for Wong was really amplified by my love for White Tiger. And I think White Tiger was one of my cards last year last month. And it's crazy because it wasn't even buffed then. It was still just a 5 7. I still just liked White Tiger. Now it's a 5 8. It puts up serious power. Like, it actually outtrades Significant turn six plays. Like, I don't know man, the Tiger Spirit's on fire right now.
Cozy Snap:Yeah dude again it goes back to like, you can't put Cosmo in every deck. And so when you start to see the one, I don't care how tall your deck goes and how crazy it is. You see a Wong played out there, maybe, maybe even a Mystique after it. Or the Ironheart, you like... I think I'm done. I don't know if I can beat this. Like, I truly don't know. And so, like, dude, 100%, man, especially just because of the lack of the Cosmo right now. Five Cosmos is interesting this month for me because there's a lot of cards in contention that could kind of maybe make their case. You know, for me, dude, I'm gonna go back to the, the old Reliable. Sarah, not only is she back, she's the biggest winner of the the, the recent balance patch by a long shot because of the Mobius change. Dude, I just, there's something so fearful that she puts out on the field, man. Like, you have your Sarah, you got the keys to the kingdom in fact, I'm a little sad about the Moby's change because I was still playing Sarah. And winning in the Surfer decks, in just Sarah Control Shadow with Luke Cage. It's all perfect with her, man. The thing is, 2 cost will always be her best value, because you're cutting the cost by 50%, and we're getting access to so many legit, powerful 2 cost cards. Sarah's gotta be mine.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, Sarah's amazing, and I actually, it's funny, I was playing Sarah a lot too, and I was like, you know, I wasn't seeing Mobius that often, and It's unfortunate, I felt like I was the only one playing Sarah, and I was benefiting from it, and now I think Sarah's definitely on the comeback here, so Definitely a good call out there, and one more I just want to shout out to that, what I think was another meta staple this season was Vision. I think Vision really benefited from Elsa Bloodstone. I think it was a surprise winner from the overall meta. One that probably goes underappreciated was a 5 7 for a long time, got buffed up to a 5 8. It was perfect for Elsa. It's great in Shuri. I mean, what is it really right now? But yeah, I think Vision's also been a quiet, really high performer and a really solid card.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, very, very good call there. Vision usually like his best month too as well. Six costs, man. We there's, there's, they kind of all opened back up, you know what I mean? Like, it was kind of closed in with Mobius, you know, She Hulk was dead, just completely dead. Looking at the entire month, it was tough to say, because Thanos is like kind of always my favorite card, like, in the game. I just love Thanos, you know. to Me personally though, this was the month of Hela. This was the month of Hela, and you gotta throw in the, your boy Infonaut in there as well. This is the most I ever played Infonaut, ever in my entire Marvel Snap career was this month. And it was a Hela it was a Hela of a month. These are my favorite sixes, doesn't come close for this month.
Alexander Coccia:I don't want to derail it, but is this the worst and hit variant or the best and hit variant?
Cozy Snap:I love it, dude. You know why I like it? I think I love it because it's the infinite, you know what I mean? So it's like, it's doing like a whomp, you know, effect. And it's this.
Alexander Coccia:It looks so derpy. Yeah, I know. It's just, it's so good. It's such a good variant.
Cozy Snap:Like you could go, you could go with like where is it here? Like this one, right? Where it's just like, you're, you're fearful for your soul or slam out this little, you know, Teletubby. I love it.
Alexander Coccia:It's awesome. It was so good. I love it. I love it so much. Yeah, like, it's kind of funny, like, you're going towards Infinite and Hela, because, like, I've been so huge on Infinite for so long, right? I mean, even, even at Twitch Rivals, right? Like, I literally took Infinite to the finals, like, it was, I was you know, one of the only true believers of Infinite, so I'm glad that you're, you're you're loving the card, and it's funny that you bring up Hela, because my pick was Tribunal! It's kind of crazy to say, like, I, this is the month I kind of fell in love with Tribunal, not because, like, I think it's really that good. But because, like, I needed something different sometimes. I just needed a different playstyle. And, like, I loved the idea of this Tribunal style deck that just threw caution to the wind. You just throw down, you just throw down your Invisible Woman, and all the counters don't exist. Like, every single counter. Like, there are so many. Spider Man Rogue Enchantress. Cosmo, they all don't exist. They just, you just win the game every single time. 8Q roll, and you know what, Tribunal I was gonna say it never let me down. It let me down a lot. It let me down a lot. But I had a good time doing it.
Cozy Snap:There's a lot of ways he can win. He is talk about, just like, he's his own little archetype world, right? Like the Mr. Negatives. Like the game you win, you can crush, dude. And it's always against that opponent that's like, How big, how big can they really get? You know, and then you like, you throw down the Miracle, the Iron Man on the onslaught. It doesn't even matter where they land, and it's, it's GG, so yeah. I like it, I respect the pick.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, one of the things I'll say though, when you play them often, you start to get a feel for like, the power ranges. Like, if they're under 24, like, you confidently 8 snap. If you're getting to like 26, like, Hmm, like, where does my Iron Man land? Right. But sometimes like things fall, right. And you're throwing up like disgusting points, but like, it's kind of funny. The RNG of it really matters. Does Onslaught land with Iron Man and Infinite, then it's just complete destruction on all sides. Right. You're throwing up so many points, but like, it's like, you start to get this feel of like, Hey, where is the. Balance of power, right? So it's pretty cool, but I'm still searching for that, that tribunal deck that doesn't look like a tribunal deck that doesn't play the invisible woman. Like where's the surprise tribunal deck that doesn't exist yet.
Cozy Snap:Not yet. Doesn't exist quite yet. I think
Alexander Coccia:it's time. We move on to a very important discussion. That is the Mobius problem. Cozy. Now this is it's been basically. A point of discussion over the past little while in Marvel snap. And what happened here was a very significant patch change hit Mobius and Mobius to the point that like, we, we talk about nerves. We talk about nerves all the time, but this wasn't a nerf. This was a coordinated assault on what Mobius and Mobius represents a complete shift and what this card is capable of doing a complete identity shift, a paradigm shift of what this card does to the meta. And it is a complicated discussion. Because when you have player resources being as scarce as they are, cards being as expensive as they are, and metas shifting as frequently as they can, it can be very difficult to navigate the waters of Marvel Snap and spending your resources. And I think that what happened with Mobius in the patch really shone shines a light on how difficult it can be being a free to play player. How difficult it can be predicting card value and how difficult it can be to just be someone who invests their currency and not having buyer's remorse. There is so many kind of attack vectors to this problem, cozy. So I've kind of introed it. I'm going to defer to you on where you want to go from here, but honestly, it's pretty insane. And I'm really shaken at how this change has. Essentially rippled through the community.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, we, it's so, it's so crazy too. Cause it's like again, I said at the beginning of the podcast and of my side of like, essentially the track record's been great. Right, we're gonna have Glynn on here very soon, and I have the utmost respect for Glynn as a person. I think he takes his job very seriously. I think that man wants this game to be balanced to its core. Even if that means what happened. And yeah, I think I've seen on Discord, he knows it was a miss, he knows he wouldn't have done it maybe today. They, they had to do it in a reaction to how much he was affecting. For me, what, what is, to me, it's like we all knew he was gonna be this powerful. So it's like, you know, I think that, how did we not see it coming? You know what I mean? Like we knew this effect was gonna be so crazy at two costs. I'm kind of baffled. By I, I'm baffled by not doing him as a two, one or a, or a two, one. Not even a three. I don't even think a three. Cause, but like a, a tech card with like no power. But he comes with a MI ability, right? Because we even were saying he's fallen out a little bit and then they do it and they killed a card. You take him down to a two, one. I'm not complaining at all. It's like, Hey guys, he's still doing what he does. You got what you invested in. The one time shot here, it is so it's so bad, like, If you did two turns, I think it's actually fine. Like, at that point, you're like, okay, you can play him out, like, whatever, he's good, he goes on curve, two, three. It just, you nuke the card that people save through August, through September, like, it is completely, completely unacceptable in that standpoint. And we've seen things like this happen before, where there's like a bundle, and then something gets nerfed. And it's truly, I think there's two teams working on their responsibility, not together. Right. What this does though, you look back and you're like, okay, Elsa, Loki, let's take them as an example. They both got nerfed and you bought them. You're like, darn, but don't, you can't be mad. They're both great. If anything, Loki's better. So your investment went up there. Elsa is still great. It's just, there's got to be some type of protection, whether it's refund and token, whether, and that's a hard system to get in place, but you can do it via mail, thing that they have. It's tough, right? Like, do not nerf a card if it's doing terribly, like, if it's just messing up the Marvel Snap meta, right? Like, what do you do here?
Alexander Coccia:You're right. Like there's no easy answer. I think an important consideration too, is that OTAs can be done with relative speed, but I think these are locked in like a month in advance, right? But then again, if it's locked in a month in advance, like this card's not even like, is it barely a month old? Like did this get, did the change get locked in basically near immediately? So there's a couple of things here. There's still red flags, right? And it's like, okay, you got to have the leeway, which is hard. Marvel steps meta changes incredibly fast. You've had multiple OTs since the patch is locked in. Right. So like, yes, of course it's going to happen. But then again, it's like, what you're locking in the patch to change the card, like near immediately after the card is even released. And then like you're, so you would have locked in this patch change before the bundle was even out. And like, you have this bot, like, so there's so much weirdness, and I'm not trying to be a jerk, but at the same time, it's like, What do you even tell a free to play player? What do you tell any player? Because it's like, I mean, we're in a situation where we try to, like, provide, like, insight and advice, and like, help people navigate, like, what were their money's best spent, which cards, and how to spend their tokens, because tokens are rarer than they've ever been, and like, the collection system still needs work, but, at the same time, it's like, You're planning ahead, but we're not even getting help from second dinner. Cause they're not telling us the schedule in advance. We're actually depending on the leaks at this point, which is still bizarre. In my opinion. And then like, what is a free to player to do player to do? Cause like at the end of the day, like I don't care what anyone says, free to play players are so important to the health of this game. There's so important health of any game. And if they can't navigate these, these waters, literally he's on a jet ski right now, they can't navigate the waters. Then like, they're going to get turned off and they're going to just turn off the game. And they're never going to turn it back on because if they feel like they cannot confidently invest the currency that they save up for for months. Then like, what's, what's the reward system? If, if the currency and the card collections are the rewards that we're after, if those can't be trusted, then what do you, what are you seeking as a reward?
Cozy Snap:Yeah, and like, the thing is like, it's not like they're saying like, yeah, like we're staying behind it. Like, they even said like, it, they went in aggressively, right? And it happened so quickly. That's like, you just pointed that out, like the month out thing. To me, and this is tin hat foil, tin foil hat, guys. I'm just, who freaking knows? But to me, it's almost so nutty that it's like, I think there was a statement that Pool 3 players getting a new card like Death immediately is a terrible card because of Mobius. Like, this could have been a top down decision, right? Where it's like, hey, people in Pool 3 are not having a good time, you know, unless they have all the cards. We gotta kill it immediately. Get rid of it. Whatever, right? And then it's also, the inverse of it is like, this Moby, this Moby's isn't gonna last. So this is a temporary, like, we're pissed off, I think he's still gonna be a playable card the next OTA. Or whatever it is, right? But that doesn't change the discussion that I think is very healthy. And that is like, what do you do in this situation? Because it does, it can, the track record's been great. But it takes one time for people to be like, wait, there's a, there's a, there's a hole in the ship. Right, there's a hole in the ship, and the hole here is, you got to, you have to make... The free to play ecosystem is fantastic in Marvel Snap, in my opinion. I'll back that up all day. You've got Shuri, you have Patriot, you have plenty of cards. High Evo's been out forever, you can get that now. That's competitive, it's been competitive. But the problem is, is when you have like a forced meta into a nerf to a forced meta, I don't want to see that at all. And you've got to have a way of a backup plan when something like this happens. This is my third, fourth, this would be my fourth video talking about my concerns for this. I've spoke up as much as I can. Immediately messaged them on it. It can't happen! It can't happen. And thank God, I guess it's a Series 4 card. But still, it's still bad, you know?
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, and there's a couple, there's a key point that you kind of mentioned too I want to talk to as well. The idea of like natural metas and manufactured metas. There are metas that exist because like players are playing cards. This happened, what was it? Where, was it Loki that people were like Oh, this card's gotta get nerfed. It was like day 2. And me and you were like, no. Like, let people figure out the counters. Let people make decks that counter Loki decks. Like, let's give this some time. Right. Let's give it some time. It's kind of the same thing here. Whatever becomes the flavor of the week. Now, Marvel's not moves fast, right? There's tons of different, we were just talking about Hulk Buster being one of our favorite cards, right? Like things are changing. Those are natural shifts. This is a very unnatural shift. If you have these, like, if like these patches are designed to completely upend the meta, which can be good, but there's no player agency there. It's kind of like the god hand, like controlling what we can play and what's relevant. It has nothing to do with what the players are designing, it has nothing to do with deck building. It's about like what is just not good and what is good. And it's not our agency, it's like a massive patch that just destroys and dismantles a card and basically... Activates an entire archetype. So if they want destroy and annihilates and toxic to be good, are you telling me they just, they, do they do the same effect to Luke Cage now? Does Luke Cage only apply to turn five and six for one turn or whatever it is? Is that what's going to happen? Cause that's literally the, that's what's analogous here. Like if they want toxic to be better, they just do this to Luke Cage. And it's like, what are we even doing now?
Cozy Snap:Yeah, the more I think about it, they can't even change it to OTA because it's Ability Core. So like, even making this like a 1 2, you're not gonna play it. I I I don't think you're gonna play this card. Like, maybe as a surprise, but it won't earn a firm foundation in your deck. Like, it's just not gonna happen. The thing that stinks too is like, I would say outside of She Hulk. Maybe with one or two other cards in there. I think he was doing his job fine. Like, I made a discard guide and I was like, Okay, you know, you can go swarm with it, but you have to know there is the Mobius that can be a I like that. I like that there was this thing to fear, right? Make him a 2 1, and then it's fine, right? Then you have this, like, ever existing Because then what you do, is you create, in my opinion, I have loved every meta we've gone in and out of, but the, the, the all in Loki meta was not great. Not great. And we're kind of back there. There are plenty of decks that are good right now. Loki, though, it, it is back with Quinjet. Right? Because Mobius, if anything, there was not a Loki list anywhere with Quinjet. And it's back. And so you have this like, giant discount thing going on. Which is why they made Loki forecast, to prevent the novelty of that. Right? So it's like, That's where the confusion is with me because it's like, all right, you know, we're going back a couple steps, even though we're trying to move forward back to the cost reduction. And I don't even think that the sample size has been that long. Yeah, we've talked about it. I think it would have been great to see what he looks like. Lesser power, different cost, whatever, instead of just like putting him in the grave.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, because also, like, his play rate's gone down significantly. He was about 33 percent at peak. Last time I checked, before he was getting nerfed, I had, he was like, what? 18, 19? What's the most important thing in a card game? The cards. The cards are the most important thing in the card game. And I think that you have to have confidence when you're spending your collector's tokens that are so unbelievably rare, or you're spending your gold on a bundle, and gold is so hard to come by now. It's not on the collection track anymore, right? It's so hard to get gold, right? and you invest, literally I'm using the word invest intentionally. You're investing in these cards with the resources that you've worked hard to, even if you're not a free to play player, like it's just hard to access these resources sometimes. And then like the card just gets completely destroyed near immediately with no refunds. It's like. Come on, man, it's, it's just, it really, at the end of the day, the player experience has to be important. I'm not saying it's like a customer's always right situation. You gotta, you gotta do something for your players because they're the ones that keep the lights on. They're the ones that buy the bundles. They're the ones that play the game. And if they're having an awful experience because they can't confidently trust that they're going to spend the resources they've been. Hoarding, not hoarding, actually they are hoarding them too. They're hoarding them for months in anticipation of Mobiuses and Annihiluses and stuff like that. It's just, it's such a slippery slope.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, my, again, my like last notes on it essentially are, you have You know, maybe you like man things, you like toxic, maybe you like this card. Mobius was one that the entire player base was like, you can't miss out on him. You're going to be left behind because what he's going to impact, you're going to at least want to have the option to have him. And then they do this, and that is what sucked so bad. We had months of build up for the car, just for him to die instantly. Was he overpowered, overtuned? I think so. I think it was too good. I think he needed to be back a little bit, but nothing near this kind of state, right? But what I'm gonna say, I I I've railed on them, guys. It can't happen. They've gotta fix it. Bar none, call me a shill. I I really don't They've done a great job. They're gonna I think that this was a massive miss. They're gonna have to reap what they sow on it. It's just gonna have to happen. It doesn't happen often. I think Mobius is a very niche case in the fact of like, I can't even, I've seen the next three months, right? We've seen the datamines. There's not a card of Asm There's never been a card There's very few cards as of much importance as Mobius, right? But if they would have done this with High Evo, and everyone got High Evo, and then they killed that card, to being awful, like awful, awful. It would have been the same effect, right? There's only been a couple cards that everybody's been in on because it's a non negotiable. And I just, that's, yeah, that's, that's kind of it. I trust them to do the right thing moving forward. They've got to rectify this. I think Mobius will get better.
Alexander Coccia:I just think that when you, when you add this together with, you know, season drops series drops. Yeah, right, dude. It's the, yeah. It's just hard. And then you have like season pass cards getting nerfed, like repeatedly before they get into the hands of free to play players, which can be, it's like, they always get these neutered versions of cards, right? That they can't like that. It was even worse during Zabu Silver Surfer. But again, I agree with you a hundred percent. And we'll close on that. Like, I think these are good people doing the best they can, but it's also important that we say like, Hey,
Cozy Snap:it's my fourth video saying it. Yeah. Like I, without question, it has to change. It has to be better. Can't have this happen again. The series drops, the lack of communication with the series drops. The spotlights, they did change out. Great, glad, cool, but they need to, you know, continue that, that theory up. It's the same thing that happened in December of last year, where it was like, this combination of effects. Of things coming together. It wasn't just one thing, it was like, a bunch of things all at once. And you can't have that, right? Can't have that. Gotta keep your player base that way. But you know, yeah, we gotta, you know, I'll move forward, and I think it'll be okay at the end of it all. But, you know, Second Dinner definitely knows my thoughts by now, and, and yeah, can't happen again.
Alexander Coccia:At the end of the day, though, it's still a fantastic game. The game is incredibly fun and all these things along the periphery, if we can fix them, we're in for a good time. Thank you so much for listening to this edition of the Marvel Snapchat podcast. We appreciate every one of you, all your support.
Cozy Snap:Guys, thank you so much for coming to the first episode of Season 2 of the Snapchat, Episode 53. Thank you guys so much for hanging out. You guys have a good one. Have a great one. Until the next one, happy snapping.