Annihilus: The Toxic Tyrant | Top 10 Best Cards in November | Gladiator In Review | The Snap Chat Ep. 55

Will Annihilus supercharge the toxic archetype? How good is Gladiator? What is the current state of the meta? Join Cozy Snap and Alexander Coccia as they chat about this and more on this episode of The Snap Chat and every week as they discuss all things Marvel Snap.

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Cozy Snap: 0:00

What's going on guys, and welcome back. Toxic Lovers, your tyrant has arrived. Annihilus drops into Marvel Snap today, and he's probably gonna piss a lot of people off. We're gonna break down the card, the combos, our early impressions, and of course... Is he worth going after? We're also going to be talking about the top 10 cards right now in Marvel Snap. Ranking them from 1 to 10 with my co host. And then lastly, guys, we'll be breaking down the cards that you should be playing. Sleepers, the underplayed cards that nobody, for whatever reason, is playing in their decks. We're going to talk about all that today more on this episode of The Snap Chat. And as always, guys, I am joined by Mr. Alex Coccia. Hello, happy another Marvel Snap week. We had our Twitch drops, we've got the Toxic Week coming ahead. How you feeling, bud?

Alexander Coccia: 0:42

I'm feeling great. It's been an absolutely fantastic week to be a Marvel Snap player. Anytime there's Twitch drops, I think that generates a lot of excitement in the community. And I don't know about you, Cozy, I had a ton of fun. We had a lot of people come out and saying that they, you know love the Snapchat and it's always heartwarming to to hear.

Cozy Snap: 0:57

Yeah, absolutely, man. It was a, it was a good time. Excited for feeling better finally. And we appreciate you carrying the workload last week man. But we got our work cut out for us this week. Pretty good week in Marvel Snap. Of course, we got the OTA coming out later on this coming Thursday. But man, we've got quite the card coming out. So you guys know what we're talking about on this side of the channel. Can't wait to talk about the top 10 cards in the game at the moment in our opinions. But Alex, what are we talking about on your side of the Snapchat?

Alexander Coccia: 1:25

We'll be talking about Gladiator in review. It's been a fun week with Gladiator and I don't know about you, Cozy, but I've got a lot to say, because this card has been one of my most played cards in the past little while, and for better or worse, we'll have to discuss. Then we're also going to talk about the state of the meta. The meta has been wildly swinging with the OTA changes that have been occurring. We're going to discuss our top decks and other things that we are seeing in our games. And then finally, we're going to talk about our buff candidates. We have an OTA coming out this week, and we're going to see which cards are the ones that we think need to get buffed.

Cozy Snap: 1:53

Well dude, looking forward to the end of 2023. Typically they have like an update or two come out at the end of the year. And more specifically dude, I'm ready for another Road Ahead. You know, it's, when was the last one we got? Was that back in like June ish?

Alexander Coccia: 2:06

Yeah, we haven't had a roadmap in a long time. And like, I am really interested in seeing what they are working on. And what's like, actually like the coming soon part. Like, I always appreciate the like, hey, we're thinking about this stuff, right? That in the future side, but the coming soon, they seem to execute on far sooner than perhaps we would expect. I really would like to know what they're working on, specifically like card borders in a Q& A. They actually mentioned like, Hey, we got a plan for card borders. I was like, thank God. Like card borders. Here we go. Let's go. Let's pick them. Like, I just want to know what they're working on too. I totally agree.

Cozy Snap: 2:35

Well, for sure, man, a lot of things to get excited about in Marvel snap, but let's go ahead and just talk about the new card. As you know, man, big toxic junk disrupt fan over here as of late. And we've had cards that come out like gladiator and ones where we don't know how they're going to be or where they fit in. But Annihilus, right away, we know the home that he belongs in, and there's a lot of people that are excited about this card, and I think there's a lot of people that are absolutely going to dread him. Annihilus, guys, is a 5 cost, 7 power card on reveal. Your cards with zero or less power switch sides, and he's gonna destroy those that cannot switch sides. Now, this will not destroy any card that is over that amount, but if you have a card like a Goblin that can't go to the opponent's side, Annihilus is going to blow them up. Now, my friend, what are your initial impressions, because you've had some hot takes on the cards this month, what about Annihilus?

Alexander Coccia: 3:30

So with Annihilus I'd like to believe this is a card that everyone should have in their collection. Whether or not it's OP or it releases strong, it has such a unique archetype defining characteristic that I think it's a tool that everyone needs in their tool shed so to speak, right? And so for that reason, I think it's one to target. And as it is the week, the spotlight week's great. It's already great as it is. And I think that Annihilus being what it is, whether or not it comes out a little over tuned or under tuned is going to be something you want. Now, it did get pre nerfed from a 5-8 to a 5-7 that's pretty notable. However, this is one of those cards that's going to age like fine wine. As more cards are released. Into Marvel Snap, any card that fits within its shell is going to be potentially, you know, an Annihilus card, just like every three drop could potentially be a surfer card or any four drops, potentially a Zabu card, right? It has the exact same effect. Anything that could be within its range, or of course, being a junk enabler is going to be something Annihilus wants, and therefore, I think it's a card you're going to want in your collection.

Cozy Snap: 4:26

So what's the star rating you're giving it early on?

Alexander Coccia: 4:29

I think it's going to be probably into the 3 4 range, maybe on the 4 side. Just because like, if you think about the way the decks are right now, we actually don't have that many tools for it. If you actually like, really think about it's synergistic cards, there are some really amazing synergies, and we'll talk about that momentarily. But as the most part, it's not like a wide gamut, it's not like Surfer where it's like, you have like a million choices and different tech options and stuff. Annihilus won't have that, but he'll have that eventually. I do think the card is going to have a high impact. But I think it is kind of brought down slightly by the fact that it just simply does not have the tools yet to really make it S Tier.

Cozy Snap: 5:04

Yeah, I think really this is going to be a pretty banger card. A couple reasons why. First of all, it doesn't really matter about just the meta as a whole. If you look month to month, it's been about the same. These decks that are flooding cards quite consistently, right? We do have some counterpoints to this, but if you look at Loki, you look at Ms. Marvel, these are obviously decks and synergies that don't want other cards on their side to take advantage of what they're trying to do. And Annihilus is gonna fit just that, right? But second of all, Toxic doesn't have a great finisher. It's got a lot of cool combo pieces, and it has a lot of unique things about it. It's super popular at the moment, because it can ruin combos like, you know, Doc Ock, and things like that. But Annihilus finally feels like, you know, the exclamation point on what you're trying to accomplish within the match. And on top of that, it is like a super viper, right? There are cards like Sentry, we're gonna talk about it, and we can probably lean into him in a second. That need the synergy of Viper to really get the payback or the big value that he brings. And Annihilus is yet another tool in that toolshed that you referred to earlier. Definitely think if you have even been tempted or you've played the Junk Archetype, you're gonna want to play him. Let's quickly talk about, though, the spotlight. You know, it's worth always talking about this, guys. It is going to be DokkenX23 and Annihilus himself. In my humble opinion, if you at all want to flirt with Destroy, X23 is one of the premier cards. I think it's probably one of the most perfect cards designed in the past couple of months. If you don't have her, this, in my opinion is a no question go for it week, Alex. She's too valuable for that archetype.

Alexander Coccia: 6:38

Oh, there's no question about it. It's fantastic. And even like Dokken, it's understated how good that card has been. Like it, it single handedly is a key component of the discard archetype right now, which is doing wonders on the meta right now. So like, yeah, I agree a hundred percent. If you don't have X23, definitely a card worth targeting, especially since Destroy over the last five months has been one of the most consistent archetypes into the game since X23 came out. Is it like ironic? Is it coincidence that X23 comes out and then all of a sudden, Destroy is a consistent performer in the meta? I don't think so. Definitely worth targeting.

Cozy Snap: 7:11

Yeah so that means two great cards that complete an archetype in one week. And then you get like a spicy pick with Daken who is replaceable, but it's one of those cards that is nice to have in creative deck building. Definitely could throw your opponents off because they don't know what to do against him. He's often a fun flavor pick. So, great spotlight week if you don't have them both. If you do, you know, maybe a bit tougher of a choice, but Annihilus hopefully by the end of this, you'll know whether you want to get him or not. Let's go ahead and talk about some key combos to start off. Obviously, like you said, you know, Junk isn't this giant wide array. Of different options. We have kind of a narrow list, but I do think there are some really interesting combinations and synergies that people may not be thinking of. And I want to go ahead and start with the one that we kind of just let into. This is a turn 5 card, which I think is very fun and different, because it's not exactly a card that you always want to play on turn 6. You're sending cards over and so to do that you want to make sure you can actually send these cards over and so obviously playing them on turn 5 is going to be the most beneficial for you and the strategy you're trying to play. Century, man, this negative 10 Void cannot be stated enough. This is a 17 power switch if you do play Annihilus. Of course, you have to play Century if you look at total power. You know, we're looking at what? A 17th negative... it's a lot. It's a lot pushing on the opponent's side. To me, Sentry has, he's kind of been eked out of a lot of these toxic lists. Because there are other things. I've been running a She Hulk Infinite toxic list. Like, there are other ways that you want to finish. Because if you don't get the right components. You're not going to win all the time. You know, if you got this void on your side, it's looking like some dark days, right? So Sentry for me is the number one, right off the bat. I'm loving them. I've got a lot of cards to talk about, Alex. What are your favorites right now? Or some of your favorites with Annihilus?

Alexander Coccia: 9:00

So I love what you're saying here, because what you're saying with Sentry is absolutely true. You either have two options. One, the void goes over, absolute win, or two, the void gets destroyed. Like, that's not bad. You never lose that, and you're on curve, right? So it's perfect, because before, you'd play the Sentry, and you'd have to have an answer. You'd have to have Carnage, or you'd have to have Viper, or you'd have to have Valkyrie. And those were your options on turn 5. Now, you have a very natural, synergistic turn 5 play in Annihilus. Now, one card that I absolutely love... Now, I've been trying to, like, design... I'm actually excited about Annihilus. Really excited. Now, I've been trying to design some decks around him. There are two cards I want to talk about that I think nobody's really thinking about. The first is Man-Thing. Man-Thing is going to be awesome, because if you don't draw into your sentry, you can actually play your Manthing, and you're going to pull and push a bunch of garbage onto their side of the board, and the nice thing about it is if you're playing other synergistic cards, which I don't want to, you know, spoil all our stuff, but you're going to be, you know, let's say we might have a lot of rocks on our side waiting to go on their side, you know where they're going to be going, you know where you've played kind of like the bulk of your cards that are going to get thrown over, you play your Manthing there, when you play Annihilus, those cards go over, and Manthing's sitting there just Pumping them with negative power. I love it.

Cozy Snap: 10:08

Yeah, dude. And listen, I love what you're trying to talk about with this Man-Thing. Cause there are obvious cards. Like we could talk about the hood, Viper targets that exist, the negative ones that you kind of think about right away, the goblins, sure. But man, talk about self inflicting as well, like trying to get the negative points, because there's not a lot of cards that hit the threshold that you even want to send over, right? You don't want to send over a Dracula. You don't want to send over these cards that you're going to want to use later. You want to send over, obviously garbage. That's the whole goal of the deck. So you mentioned Man Thing. I loved it. This is definitely one that I was going to talk about. But what about some ones that people already have access to? Dude, I thought about it more and more and I can't believe I didn't like put my head to this right away. Typhoid Mary. One of the biggest, you know, worst things about the card is that she's pushing negative one power to your side. Now it's a gift, and you're getting 10 power. What a swing. What a swing this would be, just to shove everything over there that you don't want anyway. Obviously, you have to plan out the deck to not get rid of anything that you might want or need, and definitely the way you play out Luke Cage would be a lot different, which is where I thought you were alluding to with the man thing initially, where like, maybe you could even just Kind of tech out stuff on the last turn because you already have such a swing in that power, right? So that Typhoid Mary was a very spicy pick. But Alex, what about this? This one I was like, wait a second, because you can play this with Annihilus on the same turn. And I haven't seen anyone talk about this yet. My friend, Yellow Jacket, who's already gotten a little bit of a buff. Per se. Not Buff, I'm sorry. He's got more play. But dude, don't you like the idea of doing like a negative one and pushing that on your side? And then you also play Annihilus. I haven't seen anyone talk about Yellowjacket yet.

Alexander Coccia: 11:48

Yeah, absolutely. And Yellowjacket could be really interesting with even something like like Squirrel Girl Squirrels. Like you can send them over, right? I think that Yellowjacket is pretty neat because you can play it on turn five with Annihilus. And it, like, it just, it fills their board and you're still, I mean, it's still true power, which is beneficial. The Typhoid Mary call was so interesting too. I had not thought about that. I actually, I had Yellowjacket on my notes, not Typhoid Mary though. I love where your head's at here. I love where your head's at because like the idea of inflicting negative power on your side to enable more of a pushback, I think that's remarkable. And I think that it is going to be one of the key synergistic components of Annihilus. Yeah, I mean,

Cozy Snap: 12:22

and talk about the power swing of doing the negative power, sending over with a Nihilus, you have a four a play on four, I always say fourth play, I swear to god not this time, and then then you have a Nihilus on five, and then on turn six, yo, you throw a Luke Cage in there, plus whatever else you want to throw in, that's a huge swing, because you're getting the 10 power to boot, right? Even if you do, like you know, let's say a Luke Cage, Shang Chi. Great, looks good. You can counter just about anything with that. You have a lot of power pumping out. So I think I love that we started there, right? People want to think about what you alluded to. The Debris, which I think is great. I think Debris is gonna be a huge card for this. But the man thing, the Typhoid. Toxic is all about playing with fire. I've talked about this a lot. And he is going to kind of make this even more of a flame to play with, right? Because you are. You're playing with fire. But what's great about him is that if the fire doesn't work out, he destroys those that can't, so it's not even, like, that big of a risk. That's why I love the card. I think that last line is so massive. And on top of this, listen, I love Ravonna. I love the hobgoblin decks. I love the green goblin decks. But to be able to say, sorry, Galactus, you're already getting no play, and now I'm gonna even ruin that play even more by just completely getting rid of your goblins and sending them right back, return to sender. That's a massive line. Huge thing that Annihilus can pull.

Alexander Coccia: 13:40

It absolutely is. I mean, it's, we haven't had direct counters like that on turn 5 for the junk based archetype. Like, it's funny, because it kind of counters itself, right, with the Green Goblin and Hobgoblin. The only thing that comes kind of close is Odin, of course, right? It has a similar to Odin style effect. But this will just, like, send the entire board back, not into a specific location. So if there's Green Goblin, Hobgoblin, or whatever, it's all going back. And actually on this note, I want to mention a card that, like, I have written down, and I don't know if it's a meme or not, but here's a hot take. You're probably going to see a lot of Annihilus mirror matches coming up in the first week of its launch. I think that Ghost might be pretty interesting, because if you have Ghost, and they Annihilus you... You can just return to sender everything that they just sent over. And so like, I think that low key, if you're seeing lots of kind of mirror matches, for that first week only, this isn't a, you know, meta shaking for the next month, but Ghost might actually be pretty spicy because you can use Ghost to push everything they sent to you back all the way to their side of the board.

Cozy Snap: 14:36

Yeah, dude, that is fun. I like, I like the idea that it's going to be interesting how many people risk, and the meta will determine, he's usually going to be a turn 5 play. But it'll be interesting to see who does hold on to it for turn six and or if you do draw them on turn six. You know, not bad. Seven power, definitely not nothing to laugh at. I like the ghost idea for sure. Now, on that note, I do want to just talk about, there's more cards to talk about, you know, what are going to be synergized with him well, and there's a lot more cards to talk about what will be good. However, let's talk about why I am a bit hesitant a little bit in today's current meta. Now, I think that there are plenty of ways to counter him, as there is junk, right? There's plenty of bad matchups. Obviously, right now, we just talked about X 23. Destroy, right now, and Professor X. These are the two biggest counters for this guy. I mean, are they both top 5 decks right now? Probably. Easily. Actually, I can say both of those are in a top 5 spot, right? Destroy eats Annihilus lunch. He welcomes them over. However, however, because he's a turn 5 play, and the way that Destroy works, I also don't think it's as easy as people make it sound to be. Once you play turn 5 when you're on turn 5, you're looking to throw down the gnoll and the death at that point, right? You've probably already used the death lock. The Carnage. You've already used probably the Venom at this point, so it might be a little bit tougher. In fact, there might be more room to push some of this over. So I thought that was kind of interesting that Destroy, although is a natural counter, has ways that it might have a tough time dealing with the onslaught of these negative cards. I think the challenge

Alexander Coccia: 16:08

is going to be that Destroy also runs Killmonger. I think Killmonger is kind of the one that like, just wipes out all the rocks, wipes out the hood, wipes out whatever, and then leaves them with nothing, but also feeds death, right? Feeds death. So then death just drops in cost. And then obviously Mobius and Mobius doesn't exist anymore. So death is always going to be zero cost against these style decks. So while it might be challenging on turn five with like, you're not going to want to waste Carnage or Venom on that type of situation, At the same time, I think that Killmonger had three? I mean, if they play Debris, and then you just Killmonger everything, like that, that's awful. That feels awful.

Cozy Snap: 16:42

Definitely, Killmonger, yeah, is who I'd last. It's the biggest counter for the deck, against the deck, 100%. It'll be interesting, because when you play this deck, and you're playing a Deadpool deck... And that guy got greedy. He has X 23 out there, Nova, Deadpool. He's like, I'm gonna play my Killmonger now. You, you're celebrating. You're, you're, you are ecstatic because then you know you can pull off the big play. I do think it hurts Noel a lot. Obviously, Noel hates the negative power. Even though they can get rid of the rocks, Noel's not gonna like all that negative push. But Professor X is definitely gonna be the easiest way. Nothing's gonna swap. Everything's gonna stay the same. Alex, do you feel like Annihilus is going to suffer the same fate as, let's say, Man Thing? Where as the week he comes out, he's the worst, and then he... He's significantly slept on and then all of a sudden everybody's loving Man Thing.

Alexander Coccia: 17:26

No, I don't think it'll be that quite that bad because I think that like, Man Thing had like the single card counter. Like, it was just easy enough just to throw Luke Cage into whatever you wanted to. I don't think it's that simple for Annihilus. I don't think like, if you're just playing Destroy to counter Annihilus, then you're probably just playing Destroy anyway. Like, there's not a card that just completely destroys Annihilus. Yes, Professor X is problematic. You know, you could make the argument that, like, even Daredevil to some degree could be problematic, because then they could read your play and then, like, block the locations with Sentry or whatever, but then again, like, you're still just destroying a 10 power card. So, like... I think that countering Annihilus could be a little trickier. Obviously, if your opponent has initiative and they, like, cause wound and stuff like that, that can be problematic. But I think that with Man Thing, very specifically, it was the idea that you could just put Luke Cage in and just shut it down completely. I don't think Annihilus is that susceptible. Not that far off to what Man Thing experience, unfortunately. So I think that you can play with confidence, I think it'll be pretty good. I just, I think the amount of mirror matches might get things a little tricky.

Cozy Snap: 18:20

Well, that's a good point, dude, because one thing I also think with Annihilus is he's one of those cards where people are going to look at it and try to create nuts o combo. Try to create the craziest big swap in negative power and those are gonna be fun for the highlight reels. But, dude, he's just a good curve play, I think, too, for the Toxic archetype, right? I even, this is kind of crazy, but if you were gonna play him on 6, I kind of even like him with She Hulk. Anytime I get a cool 5 cost card, it's like, hey, skip turn 5, and then play She Hulk and this card together, huge swap in what you're trying to accomplish. Maybe that's a little bit not the best example. But I think if you just play the Viper, the Hood, you throw out a Green Goblin, you have the Ghost Spider like we talked about, Man Thing in there. You play Century on 4, Annihilus comes out, and it's just a great curve play. You're not trying to get... The bomb, the pop off, you know what I mean? I feel like he's just good as a staple and that, the archetype needed that consistency.

Alexander Coccia: 19:17

It needed the threat of a different type of attack, right? Cause I still think on turn six, like you can, like even turn six, just like hazmat absorbing man, like it's that simple, like with all that junk on their side, like that's a heavy, heavy hit, right?

Cozy Snap: 19:29

Let's talk about hazmat because listen. Hazmat is, dude, has always felt like the card that is, was just never worth the risk, right? Like, C2, even when Luke Cage got the two power, you're like, yes, but if you pull Hazmat without Luke Cage, terrible, terrible play. Now you have a way. You either pull Luke Cage, or you pull Annihilus, and you have a huge value from the Hazmat, especially the early play Hazmat. Hell, Do we see a high evil version of the Abomination deck with Annihilus as just a good curve play? There's some really interesting deck design that I think can be accomplished with this and that's where I'm very interested to see where Hazmat Does she finally get the home in the play because there are players that love this card But I can tell you she's in the top 20 least played cards in the game for myself

Alexander Coccia: 20:18

Oh yeah, she doesn't get a lot of play because like, it's so situational and hard to set up. But one thing that I think is going to be really beneficial is if you look at the playlines of something like an Annihilus deck, it's likely that you actually don't have that many pieces on your board. It might actually be one of the risks that deck runs. If you think about it, you have like, Sentry, Debris, you have Annihilus itself, like there's not that many cards that you're hoping to keep on your side But you have to win the game still, right? So the nice thing about that is when you play Hazmat on turn six, even if you don't have a Luke Cage You're still hitting a 10 power sentry to 9. You're hitting a, you know, 7 power you know, Annihilus to 6 So those, like, it might be a disproportional trade, even if you don't have Luke Cage.

Cozy Snap: 20:59

Yeah, so Rogue, it might be wanted or needed if we see Luke Cage spike up even more, which I do think this is one of those cards that we get Luke back as a tech card again, you know, really in the meta. Let me throw this out here. Is this again, which I think we're already seeing the return of her, is this a magic deck? Is this a turn seven? Because Your opponent is going to be filled to the brim. You play Magic on 3, your opponent's like, Okay, I got some time. I got some time to play my cards out. Thus, you can play Annihilus on 6. You can do these different things. Because, man, I've been playing. I call it New Age Junk. Again, I said it. It's got the She Hulk. It's got the Infinite. Because it's... There's a glaring problem in Junk that there's not a huge finisher. Right, and Annihilus is that finisher on turn 5, but turn 6 is always up in the air. Okay, you know, Alioth, sure, why not. But could magic make her way, because she's working with what you're trying to get accomplished?

Alexander Coccia: 21:52

Yeah, and you'll be the one with the space on the board, because I think the key line of text in Annihilus is to destroy those that can't. What that means is that basically, you're almost guaranteed if you've put the junk on your side ready to send over, it's either blocking their lane with four, or it's gone. Giving you you know, space to work. But their locations should be rammed. And that, as a result, gives them less room to play on turn six and seven. Which gives you more time to hit them with like a Wong Hazmat or Absorbent Man Hazmat or, you know, whatever greedy thing you want to do. I can definitely see Magic being beneficial here because. They will not have the board space to be able to kind of functionally combat you on turn seven.

Cozy Snap: 22:29

Well, dude, let's talk about a couple new cards coming out. I know we both have like a flavor pick, and this is important, right? Because, listen, cards can be great, but then cards get really good as other cards synergize with them, and the first one I want to bring up, and I talked about it when I was looking at all the cards coming out, Now, Selene might be one of my favorite one drops to come to the game outside of Annihilus. A one cost card, guys, with negative one power. So, right off the bat, hey, we've got ourselves a nice Annihilus Synergize card. On reveal, though, a flick the lowest power card in each player's hand with negative three power, man. This is so cool. This has a lot of interesting play lines. And maybe we see a Hazmat bounce deck with Selene pushing a lot of negative power on the board and it's on each hand. And so you're trying to get this happening. It's our first negative power card that's affecting the hand, not the cards in play. So I think Selene is really going to make Annihilus a much better card as well.

Alexander Coccia: 23:31

Yeah, without question. Not only is it incredibly disruptive, like if you're holding a Zabu and it gets hit, it's like, well, now it has a negative three power. That feels a lot worse to play that Zabu down. Doesn't it? Right. So I really liked this card a lot. And you're right. It's allowing you to do some interesting activations. Especially with Annihilus, and not only does Selene itself go over, but this could be a card that, honestly, it's another Viper target. It allows so many different ways to approach junk, and I love it. I think it's going to be an absolute banger. And then, on that note, we gotta talk about Kaira as well, because as a 3 4, that basically has an ongoing ability that your 1 and 6 cards cost cannot be destroyed. I mean... It's insane what it can do, because it'll basically prevent those rocks in the hood and everything from getting Killmongered. This is actually the Killmonger counter that we've been looking for forever, and it just so happens to work tremendously with this archetype, because it basically ensures that none of these things you're hoping to kick over can be destroyed. But of course, it has the other side as well. Yes, they can't Killmonger it, But, when you go to kick it back, if your sentry or whatever actually, you know the void will get destroyed, in fact. It'll be the hoods and stuff that might remain on your side, because they can't be destroyed. But sentry's void will still get destroyed. I caught my error right off the bat.

Cozy Snap: 24:42

Yeah, so Ling comes out in December, Kaira comes out in January. So, a lot of cool things and synergies ahead there. I do want to point out, in general, too, a couple other you know, solutions to what we were saying, right? So, if... You played the big power, Typhoid Century, Hazmat doesn't affect those cards. Well, what's kinda cool is, let's take it back to the Elsa days, and let's take it back to, let's say, Mysterio, right? So, for whatever reason, Elsa and Mysterio fall off a lot. Which I don't understand I'll probably talk about this here in a later subject. But one of the worst things about Mysterio is that obviously you take up a lot of space. And so it's kind of a cool idea that you could utilize, Elsa, that you could utilize Mysterio, or just Mysterio, to either pump up big power or send three more cards that isn't using debris over to the opponent's side. You give them the Mysterio at four, fine, enough. But at that point, if you're doing the big bang switch off and you fill their lanes, you're probably looking pretty good. So I think Debris and Mysterio are probably the best ways to get a lot of junk out there, alongside Squirrel Girl. Right? Is there any others that I'm missing?

Alexander Coccia: 25:46

Not necessarily. I mean, you pretty much hit everything that I was going to talk about. Naturally, I think that like, I think it's notable that it counts as a counter towards things like Green Goblin, right? Like, Green Goblin's being used a lot in the current meta, which is nice. But I think that we've hit on all the major players here.

Cozy Snap: 26:00

Oh man, Annihilus is going to be fun. I'm excited to see how we talk about him next. Week. Let's go on to our next subject, and that is one we have not done in a while. It's one that's fun, because no matter what, we're probably wrong, especially in the ears of the listener. We're talking about the top 10 cards right now in Marvel Snap. Pretty diverse meta, although some people don't love it, some people enjoy the meta that's being played at the moment. Either way, I want to talk about individual, what are the best cards within the game. Another tough list to make, man. And I also had a lot of sneaky options. Cards that kind of snuck in there, in my opinion. That may not be on other people's top tens, but I think they have the biggest impact alone compared to other cards. Alex, let's get started. With a couple honorable mentions.

Alexander Coccia: 26:46

Yeah. So for me, an honorable mention, I really want to talk about is Nebula. It ends up being 11 on my list. I love Nebula. I think it's one of the most understated cards in Marvel snap. People don't respect Nebula, but it's a control card to some degree. It is a one drop that'll have a significant amount of power at the end of the game. And I just think that it's a card that gets no respect. People don't complain about Nebula because it's silently and quietly just chips away at your power level. And it is one of the best cards in the game, that I feel like people should start talking about.

Cozy Snap: 27:14

Yeah, it's funny Nebula definitely, I was like, okay, just a great card. I like, tough to put her in the top 10, but definitely deserves to be in my top 20. I don't think I'm gonna question against that. I have Thanos in my honorable mention, just like, still doing what he does great, you know? Like, yeah, he, he's not where he was. The time stone, what he can do, I mean the guy creates his own deck. The, just the stones alone just creates so much havoc and so much opportunity for you as a player, so I definitely have him pretty high up. I also have kind of a shocking pick. I've got Jeff, I got Jeff out. He's my 11. I have him right out the top 10 because of... The arrival of Ms. Marvel is why I have him out. I think he's a bit easier now to gown. And not as easy, but still is easier. Fantastic. We're talking 11 to 10. But he's right outside of my top 10 list. What else do you have for an honorable mention?

Alexander Coccia: 28:04

That is straight up disrespect towards Jeff.

Cozy Snap: 28:05

I knew it. I knew it.

Alexander Coccia: 28:07

It's very upsetting, but you know what? I accept your call because I had to make a difficult choice too. I mean, sitting outside the top 10 in Silver Surfer, who I absolutely love. And I mean, for me, another shocking one is Shuri. Shuri. I did not include in my top 10. So just outside top 10, I have Shuri and Silver Surfer. But Silver Surfer, I don't think has that power level right now. It's not the meta defining list, it's just my personal favorite. So it's hard to not have it there.

Cozy Snap: 28:30

Fair enough, fair enough. I'm gonna go, it's funny, my last not in my top 10 honorable mention is Professor X. This guy, I took him out, I put him in. I even was, I was struggling with this right before recording. Do I put Professor X in my top 10? Because to me, he feels like such a win card. Right? Like, stopping every effect. You win a lane. But is he good because of other cards? That was what I was struggling with. I have him right there around number 12 on my list as well. But with that, dude, let's go ahead and talk about our actual top 10. Our best cards, starting at number 10, Alex. Hit me with your number 10. The best card to you within the game.

Alexander Coccia: 29:06

At number 10, ironically, gets super negatively impacted by Professor X. One of the reasons why I have it at number 10 is Dr. Doom. Dr. Doom has always been one of the best cards in Marvel Snap, but Professor X coming down so consistently on turn 4 or 5 really restricts the amount of power that Dr. Doom can put out, but it cannot be understated how good this card is with Ms. Marvel, specifically because if you need to access a Sanctorum or something that you can't play into, Dr. Doom can do that while also providing the... Big fist of Ms. Marvel to come over and give that little buff. I still think Dr. Doom is one of the best cards in the game, and for me, it comes in at number 10. Oh, wow.

Cozy Snap: 29:36

Yeah, yeah. I might be talking about him later. I have plenty to say. Number 10 at Dr. Doom for you. My number 10 is one that I try to think of just irreplaceable cards, right? Cards that, like, they do their job so well. The one that I get asked about the most Iron Lad is a surefire. No matter what, if I want to leave him off, I can't. Maybe for his variants, because they're not that great. Iron Lad is the top 10 card in the game. No one does what he does. The way that he makes essentially your deck 11 because of the effects you have and you're able to build around him probably better than just about any card out there. He fits into so many decks. I could have put him way higher on my list, but I have him slotting in at number 10 here, buddy. Did Lad make your list? Are we talking about him later?

Alexander Coccia: 30:18

He didn't make my list. I'm not, I've never been the biggest lad guy, and I think right now the meta is kind of hard for him with the amount of Korgs, Rockslides, and Black Widows that are dropping, right? You're getting much less reliable effect from him. He's just never been a card I jived with. I, I just, I don't know what else to say. Like, I do respect him. I Evo list, right? But that's pretty much the only time I really want to play him. Cause even in ramp or like, he'll make some lists. Like, I don't want to play a four cost. I

Cozy Snap: 30:43

A Doom, darkhawk devil dinosaur. It's huge.

Alexander Coccia: 30:47

I know you're right. Like, I know that like me not believing in iron lad is a me problem. It's just, it's never been a card that like I've ever been that excited to play, but it saved me multiple times, because when you're on turn six, you're like, just YOLO Lad I guess? You just do it, right? And sometimes you're like, you hit exactly what you need to hit, and it's a beautiful thing. So, no, I respect the card. I absolutely respect the call, and you probably deserve to be on the top ten. What's your number nine? Number nine for me is an archetype defining card, and this is Venom. Venom, I think, is one of those cards that, like, destroy is not destroy without it. The amount of just value it outputs for deaths, nulls. It single handedly really put Destroyer on the map, because if you think, if you can go all the way back, when Venom was a 3 1, Destroyer was just languishing. Languishing. And then like, yeah, we have great cards like Carnage and Death, but it's been Venom and the buff to Venom and the synergistic plays with Venom that I think have really elevated Destroyer overall.

Cozy Snap: 31:38

It's funny you say that, because I was looking at Destroyer. I was looking at the archetype. And it's tough to pick one card that really shines. It really stands out the most, right, because it's such a package deal. Right, like, Death is good. Gnoll is great. Venom is just disgusting because of what he does. I like the pick a lot. For me, my Destroy pick isn't even a Destroy card. But to me, it's what elevated it even further. It was the first deck I slotted into when this card came out, and I think it has transcended the archetype. Now, it's not X23, although a very good card. It's another 1 drop, and because she's a 1 drop, how do I leave her off? Nico Minoru, dude. Again, card that I could put higher. Listen, this card can fit into virtually any deck. Bounce and Destroy. In Destroy, it's almost insane. What she's doing. The Destroy Your Card, Draw 2, is hilarious. With Deadpool and with Wolverine and cards you want to destroy. Turning things into Demon. The amount of flexible play. We thought she would maybe be too flexible. But I think she's perfectly, perfectly done. And at one, at just one measly cost is what makes me put her in my top ten. No question. And I think what she's added to Destroy, I'll never play the list without her again.

Alexander Coccia: 32:47

I find myself adding Nico to a lot of decks, even like just decks where like I'm playing Loki and it's like, Oh, well, I can turn my snow guard into a demon. Why wouldn't I? Right? Like it's surprisingly versatile and the effects like there are times you just be like, well, I guess I'm skipping. I'm not going to play Nico this turn. So I hope it's something better next turn. Right? But like her effects rarely ever feel bad. And I think that's key. So I like to call out. She doesn't make my top 10, but I mean, she's in my top 20 for sure. And this is a card that I've definitely warmed up to. Well, number eight, buddy. What do you got? Well, you had him as an honorable mention, but for me, number 8 is where Thanos comes in. Thanos, I think, has been an archetype defining card, because he is the archetype. I think the time stone shenanigans you mentioned prior with Professor X and the rest, like, it's just, it's just a great, great card. It's a card that I think should be in everyone's list. I think it's one of those cards that, like, really will always be relevant. Because I think that Thanos is always on the cusp of being one of the best decks in Marvel Snap, and then sometimes it just goes a little too high. Like Icarus, flies too close to the sun. But ultimately, I do think that Thanos is an extremely reliable archetype. Always will be and always has been.

Cozy Snap: 33:48

Can I ask what pushed him over the edge for you? Because I remember maybe about a month and a half back, right? Like the Soul Stone change happened and you were done. I mentioned Thanos, you were mad about it. Are you like, how is this your sixth co Thanos is terrible now. What really changed it? To really make sense, was it Elsa, was it just the Timestone ramp method that's just so, it's been proven time and meta again to be so solid?

Alexander Coccia: 34:09

No, it's the buff to Psylocke and it's also Alioth. Like, if you think about what the buff to Psylocke did, It gave you a little extra power, but it made that card fittable in that deck with the Timestone. It made the, I can just play five drops, kind of idea around Thanos much more reliable. But I think that Alioth specifically has elevated Thanos, because Thanos naturally plays in this control shell. And Alioth loves that. And I mean, yes, the card's toxic as hell, but there's no denying that Alioth is incredibly impactful in these types of control lists, and Thanos just loves it.

Cozy Snap: 34:39

My number 8 maybe surprises? I don't know. I never love putting tech cards in these lists, right? Like... Because they kind of ebb and flow. Like, Shang Chi, you know I've never really put him in my list. Dude, listen again, put him as high as you want to. Shadow King to me is a no question top ten card. Because of a few reasons, but if you look at the best decks right now in Marvel Snap, all of them have the hard counter, or they get countered, by Shadow King. Loki's Collector. You've got the giant building of Shuri. For two costs! For two costs! This is a card that, time and time again, has proven its value, and that two cards, I don't know how I could leave them off, and I almost feel bad even putting them this low on my list. But Shadow King for me is easy top 10 card.

Alexander Coccia: 35:26

I've actually been playing a ton of Shadow King and maybe I disrespected him by not putting him on my top 10 because you're right, he does solo win games. The only challenge with him is that like, I've been playing him a lot in Surfer because I like having those 2 2 drops as tech. Yeah. You don't want to play him on 2. You want to play him later, but then like, if you have Sarah out, like, you really commit one of your three cards on turn six to Shadow King? Well, if you're against Loki, hell yeah, you do, right? Like, if you're against Destroy and you can take out their Venom or whatever, maybe even against Shuri and you can take their Red Skull back down before they task, like, yeah, sure, why wouldn't you, right? I think that Shadow King has a lot of value, but it It's always played later, and I think for that reason, you still want other 2 drops in your deck. And so like, as a 2 drop, you never play on 2, so that can be a little tricky. But it's undeniable how powerful its effect can be.

Cozy Snap: 36:10

Yeah, absolutely. What do you have at number 7?

Alexander Coccia: 36:14

It's what you should have had at number 7, and it's Jeff the Baby Landshark. I mean, yes, it's one of the best cards in the game. I think, like, it's just... Okay, okay, fine, fine. I love the card because it's damn cute. Also, I've been reading the comics, also damn cute, right? They're so funny, I mean, it's just... They're like, they're just images too, there's no words on them. Most of them, right? You just like scroll through and Jeff's just doing Jeff's stuff. And it's just awesome. Right? So I love Jeff. I just love Jeff. Okay. But he's also a phenomenal card as well that you talked about pro X, right? This works for pro X. It counters pro X as well. It also works really well until like locations you can't reach for Miss Marvel. I think the car is just fantastic.

Cozy Snap: 36:49

Yeah, hey man, not fighting that at all. I got this split on my Twitch drops, and the first things in there was, Alex is gonna be pissed. Because, apparently, because you love him. Do you have a good Jeff split yet?

Alexander Coccia: 37:00

Yeah, I have, I have like a really nice inked one, and I have a really nice gold one, but none of them are crackled. It took me forever to get This is a disgusting

Cozy Snap: 37:07

split. This is my first ink or gold. This is the first, because I got like nine of them and I just could not get either. And then finally, I hit the, the gamble here, and get a ink with a gold crackle. But, yes. Jeff is great. I have nothing bad to say about him. And funny enough, right here is where I have something on your honorable mention. That I'm like, just as like, shocked that you don't have on it. And it's Shuri. Dude, how? It's the best. It is a top 5 deck. It's been a top 5 deck for a year straight. And it's not because of Red Skull. Even though Red Skull is great for doubling power. It's because of Shuri. Doubling power in Shuri is so stupid. It's so good. It's so great.

Alexander Coccia: 37:42

Dude. They nerfed her four two to a four one unplayable.

Cozy Snap: 37:46

It was tough. It was tough with the, don't forget the Sauron negative one, so don't forget the so on. Come on now. Come on now. Yes, the prevalence of Shadow King, but man, I Shuri to me. It's just like, it's the disrespected card, right? Because like, who else can even at all pump out and win a lane by themselves? You know what's funny about Shuri?

Alexander Coccia: 38:05

There are times where I'm playing decks and they just drop Shuri on me and they play Red Skull the next turn. I'm just like, well, I got shit. So I just leave. You have nothing. Congrats. I'm not playing Shang Chi.

Cozy Snap: 38:15

Yeah, you could, you could pop in Korgs and Rockslides and like odds are you hit that on like a Kamar Taj. Odds are they have like five rocks in hands and you're like, I'm out. I'm done. Dude, I've leeched Dex before. And I'm like, nope, he Top Deck Taskmaster. It's happening. I don't care. It's happening. But yes, I agree. Sherry7 for me. What about number six?

Alexander Coccia: 38:34

Number six is Alioth. I think that Alioth has been tremendously impactful to the Marvel Snap meta. I know people hate Alioth, but I mean, you cannot deny how powerful this card is. Being able to just straight up delete your opponent's play, especially if you have initiative, feels disgusting. The card's ridiculously powered. I know that people are frustrated with it. I know people hate it, but. You cannot understate how impactful this card is in Marvel Snap.

Cozy Snap: 38:59

I officially am so excited to talk about our top five. I have Alioth in a different spot. I have at number six You know, it's tough to rank him by himself because he needs some support along the way, but it's like, how, how, how do you not put him higher? If you look at the decks, you look at the cards. It's Darkhawk, buddy. Darkhawk is another card that could be way higher if you look at the list. He's near the top, and he's near the top because of the way we've said this for how long? The way you make him better is by clogging your opponent's deck with rocks. I mean, that synergy alone is so stupid. It's like, it's crazy. Like, Devil Dinosaur, you get better by putting, you know, cards in your own hand. You can't play him down. You are actively disrupting your opponent with Darkhawk while getting his power. Oh, and he only costs four. It's crazy that Darkhawk is as good and he's been this good for going on a year. He came out in December. This is why I've got him.

Alexander Coccia: 39:51

Really, I can't believe this. I think you've been chugging way too much Kool Aid because he is higher on my deck. And I'll have more to say

Cozy Snap: 39:56

shortly. Good to go, man. What's number five for you?

Alexander Coccia: 39:59

Number five. You're gonna laugh. This is Chavez. America Chavez. I mean, this card, I know it's high. He's got, he can't even believe it. He's like, listen, America Chavez, this card is legit one of the best cards in the game. I don't care what anyone says. You can thin your deck. It's an absolute beauty. Come on, Cozy, do you disagree with me? Dude, you're talking about nerfing this card. It's so damn, it's so damn consistent.

Cozy Snap: 40:21

I saw you at Chavez and your ramp deck the other day on stream. I was like, why is Chavez in here? Chavez doesn't need to be in the ramp deck and you like to pull Electro. I get it, but... I don't know dude, I don't have her in my top ten. I honestly, I only played Chavez really in like my discard decks. I can't think of other ways. Oh, a balance too. I play her a ton in balance, but that's it.

Alexander Coccia: 40:42

That is, again, sipping the Kool Aid. Not even sipping, you're chugging Kool Aid. I made the damn Kool Aid. By the gallon. I don't understand. This has been one of the most polarizing cards in the last couple months. Like Chavez is completely broken. This card is so good. It's unbelievably good. In a game where playing on curve is incredibly powerful. Chavez basically amplifies your early game, and lets you get that ball rolling. It really is that good, like, getting Korg out earlier, but like, all those things are, like, just the consistency of the draw, just enough to make this card fantastic.

Cozy Snap: 41:14

For me, I feel like all the top decks, though, like, don't... need her. There's so many alternative wins with those decks, right? Like Shuri doesn't have her, right? But you don't need her. You have other ways to win. There are lists where you want her. I totally get that. I just, hey, to each their own. I definitely don't have Chavez she's not coming up on my list at all. Doesn't mean I don't respect the pick I understand it. You know, the lamby pe you guys love her but I I'm on the other side for me personally. Next up, I have a spicy pic. One that maybe is gonna surprise you a bit and maybe surprise our listeners. My man I can't sleep on it any longer. People have been wondering my opinion. Werewolf by night. I've got him this high. Werewolf by night is... I don't even, I don't have the words, man. I didn't graduate with a good enough degree in English to say how much I like Werewolf. Is this not a phenomenal, silly phenomenal card for the power you get? And the synergy and the on reveal that it puts, it's crazy how high in stats and value and swapping lanes that this card can go.

Alexander Coccia: 42:12

Cozy, I can't believe we did it. Same spot for Werewolf by Night, this is where I have him next too.

Cozy Snap: 42:16

No joke, you had him on your list?

Alexander Coccia: 42:17

Yeah, he's phenomenal, he's absolutely phenomenal, I absolutely love Werewolf by Night and I really like the playstyle too. Because I think that like watching him bounce around and like it makes you think very critically about how you're playing your turns out But most importantly I like when people are playing werewolf by night against me And he's sitting as the fourth card in the location and i'm like he's gonna betray that location because you can't get him back there That's it. You can't get it back there. So now it's a 50 50 on the other locations. I love that part about the card. I think it's really neat from that macro perspective that like, you know, you have to play to move it, right? But then all of a sudden they drop a whole bunch of ongoing cards and it doesn't move at all and you actually end up losing that location you were expecting to win anyway. So, really like Werewolf by Night, I think it's a remarkable card and one of the best releases in the last few months.

Cozy Snap: 43:02

So for me, at number four, this is where I was like, wow, okay, I... They brought him back up! I love Werewolf by Night, but Doom fits in more or less because he's less synergy for me, like... Yo, he's, he's 15 power across the board baby. Like what else could you ask for? Perfect finisher. I get the Professor X argument for sure. I still lose to Doom Place. I don't know how I do because I'm always expecting some other purple cloud, but Dr. Doom is still for me. Easily a top card within Marvel Snap personally, at number four here.

Alexander Coccia: 43:35

Number three for me, okay? And I would be shocked if it's not in yours. Like, this would be, like, cozy. If you don't have High Evolutionary, right? I've been joking about you chugging grape juice. Do you have High Evo? Because for me, he's number three.

Cozy Snap: 43:48

No, I don't. I don't have High Evo.

Alexander Coccia: 43:50

Oh, no, Cozy!

Cozy Snap: 43:51

No, I don't have High Evo.

Alexander Coccia: 43:52

This card has been incredible.

Cozy Snap: 43:54

Yeah, I probably could have put him low. It's so funny because I think of it as like, ah, the Hulk. You know, like I almost put the Hulk in by himself and I'm like, ah, no. But yeah, you're right. High Evo list for sure. That could be my, my snuff play. The ones above it is I just like a bit better. I'm trying to look at my list where I'm going to put them. Maybe like, the Iron Lad position, maybe Nico, one of those two. I don't know if you would've made this high for me, but I'm not, I'm not mad how Evo's this high at all. Do you prefer the Abomination build? Do you like the new She Hulk version? What are you playing?

Alexander Coccia: 44:22

I actually have been... Pretty consistently playing the Abomination debuff version. Luke Cage has kind of fallen out of the meta. Ebbs and flows, right? The meta continues to ebb and flow, and I'm not seeing a lot of Luke Cage. And so, it's just like, free real estate for me to just pump. Like, I'm playing Scorpion now. Trying some Scorpion out a little bit. Getting a little greedier with the debuffs, but it's working. I'm playing Abomination for free half the time, and it feels great.

Cozy Snap: 44:42

Well, dude, at number three for myself and I love it because of where my boy ranked here. Whenever we started this bad boy off, this season off. Number three for me, no question about it. I've got Ms. Marvel coming in at number three. I got a hell of a split, too. Yeah. I mean, A, stats don't lie. Her stats are ridiculous right now. If you look across the board, her stats are... I think she's ranked number one on a couple of websites as the most winning card in the game at the moment. Which is exactly what I thought she would be. Even my stream was saying she was like a 6. 5 on release day. How do we not see this? She's a 4. 5 that puts out 15 power, and it's not hard to accomplish that power. Just playing her with Dr. Doom is all you have to do. That's really all you have to do to get insane power. Between those two, if you play things right, it's a 30 power play. I'm sorry, one more It's a 30 power play across the lanes. Dude, great card. Put her in all my decks. I put her in just about every deck, if I'm being honest these days, because where does she not fit in? Maybe in decks, you know, where you have multiple costs, but even then, you can kind of plan things out. Bro, Ms. Marvel! She's insane, yeah?

Alexander Coccia: 45:46

I have her at 15 for me. And I know that is crazy, right? Because, like, I was a little lower on the card. But, like, we also, like, we just spent, like, a lot of time talking about Annihilus. Annihilus is going to be very problematic for Ms. Marvel. Because of the replicated costs that are likely to come over onto her side, right? Because if they're just, if they're sending rocks, your early plays are, like, kind of messed up, right? You kill longer than that. Yeah, you play Killmonger in your own deck, yeah, of course, right? Hey, honestly, that might actually be the play. Like, I mean, you're joking, but at the same time, like, three Killmonger, four Marvel's not crazy.

Cozy Snap: 46:17

Miss Marvel, Darkhawk, and Killmonger are just tech cards, is what I've been playing. It just wins. You only need those cards to win in the game. It's crazy how much power they bring together. And like, yeah, you can put her in lists. I think she works best in Lockdown. You can put her in these lists. But she counters Jeff, like I alluded to earlier. I think she's a great counter to Jeff and these Lockdown lanes. But also, like, she's just super cheeky. She can do a lot of things that, like, she doesn't feel bad to play ever. You can play her, you know what, there's like four cost cards. Like, Darkhawk is a great example. On turn five, if you have to play him, you're like, Ah, I'm still getting this much power. Ms. Marvel, still even on turn five, I'm like, Ah, it's good. Don't, like, all good. I'm getting this much power out for the play, you know? So number two for you.

Alexander Coccia: 47:00

Well, you just said his name, and it's the darkest of hawks, for me. I mean, listen, I still think this card's incredible, and I know he was on your list too, naturally, but a little further back. But for me, Darkhawk, it's like the whole, it's the whole thing. It's the entire package. The full Disruption Package. Like, you take Darkhawk at number two, but really what it is, is you're taking Korg, Rockslide, Black Widow, Mystique, and everything else you play with it, because the entire package is beautiful. It works so well. And so for me, dark Hawk continues to be one of the best cards in Marvel Snap. And I am continuously shocked. I'm not seeing as much Enchanter as I would expect. I'm not getting rogue very often, but I also tend to play with Dark Hawk later. Okay. But he's honestly, his vertical reach is imp is in impressive. So is, I love Dark Hawk. I think he's legit one of the absolute best cards in Marvel Snap.

Cozy Snap: 47:46

Yeah. No arguments there, man. Number two for me is a Alioth. Alioth is winning games. Alioth is Alioth. He's the most feared card in Marvel Snap. He's the most hated for a reason. He's the most get out of jail free card. Put him at one. I don't think anybody would bat an eye. Alioth is... is Alioth! And he's going to continue to just terrorize Marvel Snap. Don't even need to say much more about how good he is. It is what it is. When I have, like, I think if I search my comments by most said words, Alioth is a piece of sh is probably up in the top there. What's, what's your number one, bud?

Alexander Coccia: 48:14

I'm so nervous now. Cause, like, I'm looking at my number one, and I'm like, it has to be the same. Because if he didn't pick this number one, then he's intoxicated. And if he doesn't, if I didn't pick his, then, like, what am I missing? But, like, It has to be Loki, right?

Cozy Snap: 48:26

Yeah, of course, dude. Of course.

Alexander Coccia: 48:27

Okay, I was gonna say, there's no way we Yeah.

Cozy Snap: 48:30

I started with Loki and then I, like, worked my way down. I was like And I had Alioth up there for a second. I was like, yeah, dude, Alioth, to me, is the best card. Loki... Oh, man. You know what I'm so sad about? Is they're gonna have to do something about it. And I don't know what you even do to make this card right, you know, because it's that good. It's that good. He's so good. It's ridiculous, Alex. It's crazy. The negative one cost. You can make him four cost. You can make him five cost, man. It's crazy, man. What do you do about him?

Alexander Coccia: 49:01

You can't do much about him at all. Like I think that like Mobius and Mobius, I almost liked it better when he was a little more relevant. Like I know it took out a lot of other decks, but at least it made Loki much more risky. And the current shape that Mobius and Mobius is, it's completely not playable. I not even surfer, I tried to experiment with surfer, wasn't worth it. And the thing is that even with. The negative one energy applied to the Loki cards, like without it, sorry, with Mobius on the board, like it still just pumps out value. Like it still just uses your cards against you because of the collector and everything else that it has going for it. The archetype itself, it runs like a well oiled machine, but Loki is incredibly fun. And that's actually why I put it in number one. Not only is it Incredibly powerful, but it is so fun to play that it is like if I want if I'm just chillin It's one of those decks. I want to pull out and just play for fun because it's it's legitimately that enjoyable.

Cozy Snap: 49:51

Very freaking good man, and those are gonna be our top ten list. Let's quickly talk about cards that nobody is playing Alex But they should be. Why aren't people playing these cards, man? And, you know, I'll start us off, I'll kick us off you know, I said a while ago I think I had him as a sleeper in one of I think it was on your side. I had Spider Ham. I had Spider Ham, and, and it was right after his OTA. Guys, start playing Spider Ham more. A single one cost card that completely disrupts and is... Messes up your opponent's deck and synergizes with cards like werewolf by night and in bounce decks Spider ham and for that matter Iceman are not being played enough, dude Are they they're just not in my opinion

Alexander Coccia: 50:30

It feels a little underpowered like I totally get what you're saying and like when I have a spider ham played against me. It's annoying. It's definitely annoying. I do think it could benefit from a 1 2 though. Like, I think that it being a 1 2 wouldn't break the game. I think that you're one of the few believers. I gotta tell you cuz, I think you're one of the few believers. I'm not seeing a lot of Spider Ham being played against me at all. But what if it does? Like, it's annoying.

Cozy Snap: 50:49

If you haven't played with Werewolf... You have to. It is simply put, it's too good to just grab his power and activate another card on top of it. With bounce, it just works out pretty well. Iceman as well, dude. Mobius is gone. Mobius is gone. Play him. Why aren't we playing Iceman anymore? I get it, you don't get to see the impact, and I can understand that, but he, he still does what he does.

Alexander Coccia: 51:10

Yeah, Iceman's one of those really underappreciated cards right now. And you're right, it's back, 100%. It's seeing some play in, like the bounce based decks right now, which is pretty cool to see, but ultimately, Iceman has fallen off. It used to be, like, literally, like, the number one played one cost in Marvel Snap, and Mobius kind of made people forget about it, but it should be back, but it's just not.

Cozy Snap: 51:28

Hit me up with some should be played cards, but they're not.

Alexander Coccia: 51:30

Well, you can stay at cost 1 here, because I have one of my absolute favourite cards in Marvel Snap right now, but I kinda know why people aren't playing it, because it might not be in everyone's collections. It's Echo. Echo is an incredible card right now, especially with the prevalence of Ms. Marvel. You casually throw an Echo into the centre location every single game on turn 1 and just laugh. The best thing about Echo and its most powerful effect is the fact that it's invisible. I can make a 20 minute highlight reel of people playing cards on top of Ms. Marvel. Like, it is shocking how often people will play cards on top of Ms. Marvel. In fact, during the Twitch Draft stream, I was joking about how often people were playing on top of Echo. And then I played on top of Echo, because I wasn't paying attention. And it's like, hilarious, right? Because like, this card, it just shuts down the current meta for the most part. Like, Ms. Marvel's everywhere, and Echo really restricts the ability to play it. I think this card's phenomenal.

Cozy Snap: 52:18

Yeah, whenever I was like, commentating one of my Twitch plays, I was like, Okay, we can go there. Let's go Mystique in the middle. And everyone's like, Hey, you can't. There's Echo there, and I was like, how did I forget, right? Because you're always looking on your side of the board, and then you forget what's over there. I agree, she's a stealthy good card. I'll save time. Obviously, Jean Grey is, those are my two loves, right? They've been my loves. Yeah, you have to. Jean Grey, master disruption, especially against the meta right now, man. Miss Marvel. Collector into the lane where they have to play Loki at that point. It ruins them. It ruins them, and it coincides with Elsa, and I said this at the beginning. Yo, Elsa got tuned to be a great card, not the best card. She's still fantastic. And tell me, I'm not seeing Elsa out there at all anymore.

Alexander Coccia: 52:59

No, I'm not seeing a lot of Elsa either. There were a couple lists that were using Elsa, and then she ended up getting cut. Like, the Kitty Pryde Elsa package got cut. Because of the fact that the the Kitty Pride and the Angela got worked down as well. So like, yeah, that whole package has kind of disappeared, but also still a remarkable card. You're just, you're just not seeing it.

Cozy Snap: 53:16

Yep, for sure, man. Another one on my list I had is and this is one that's like, let's get it back out there. Legion wins games. Can we agree? Legion, Legion wins games. He's always won games. Seven Power, who gives a damn? He's gonna win games because of how people rely on locations, man. Especially in a control meta where we have, you know Storm has definitely made her way back. And Legion is just a great way to win games you probably shouldn't a lot of the times, man. Would you agree?

Alexander Coccia: 53:46

I would agree, absolutely, and you're also seeing a lot of Sheenot being played right now, and those decks are not including Legion. So you naturally just destroy the Limbo based location with Legion while also having the element of surprise on your side as well. So yeah, I really like Legion. There's two last cards I want to talk about here one of which is in much more players hands, and another one I just want to shout out, because I know why people aren't playing it, because it's not as prevalent. The first is going to be Negasonic Teenage Warhead. This card has been Unbelievable for me, absolutely unbelievable. I think it's one of the most slept on cards in Marvel Snap. I take some issue with the way that it works mechanically compared to a Alioth. I feel like Negasonic could just destroy an unrevealed card if Alioth can. I mean, I know that's a massive, massive, massive buff.

Cozy Snap: 54:29

She's already stupid good. She's already so good.

Alexander Coccia: 54:32

I know it would be so good, but like why does Negasonic allow the honor reveal, like the whole flip thing and Alioth does it. It seems like an inconsistency to me. Hey, listen, as someone who's been loving Negasonic, I'm just throwing it out there that I've noticed the inconsistency.

Cozy Snap: 54:42

Flip Alioth, and then I think then you're good, right? Instead of negasonic, just make Alioth work the other way around. And then like we solve our Yeah, maybe. But I get what you mean as far as yeah. A game that, you know, totes itself on consistency. That's fair enough.

Alexander Coccia: 54:54

Cozy, how's it possible that you don't know what Cadbury is? Now this has been brought up on the Snapchat multiple times now in the comments section where people like Alex, how is it possible that Cadbury is not like in Cozy's mindset at all? Like, have you really not heard of Cadbury?

Cozy Snap: 55:08

I mean, I know it's not like Hershey's to me, but I knew Cadbury, you know, I was so taken back and I think you've even admitted. You kept calling toffee, taffy. And that's what really, that's what really shook me, because I was trying to think of chocolate with taffy in it. And then from there, I just went, like, downhill. And you could have said, like, do you, yeah, do you know what you know, Marvel is? I was like, never heard of it, let's keep going. You know, I was so shook by that. But yes so it is, it is toffee, not taffy.

Alexander Coccia: 55:34

It's toffee. Yeah, so like you're telling me so my mix up of toffee and taffy spiraled you so bad So bad, you forgot that Cadbury cream eggs even exist.

Cozy Snap: 55:42

I forgot my own name. Yeah, it was lost I was I was like and I know yeah, we have Cadbury eggs and stuff I mean people were toting it like it's like a household name here in America And sure maybe I don't know but I like it I guess but yes the The toffee, the taffy chocolate got me spun up, Alex.

Alexander Coccia: 55:59

Fair enough. Fair enough. I got to tell you though, now Thanksgiving's coming. So happy Thanksgiving to all of our American friends. Cozy. Are you a stuffing enjoyer?

Cozy Snap: 56:08

Listen, I'm not like packing my plate full of stuffing. My plate goes a lot of, I like white meat turkey. I'm a white meat turkey kind of guy. I go gravy, obviously. Dude. I love spinach. I've been a spinach guy. My mother makes called spinach Madeline. It's like a spicy spinach. Oh, it's fantastic. I go a lot heavy on the mashed potatoes. Like I want to hurt the next day on the mashed potatoes. And by the way, the best meal after Thanksgiving is the leftovers of Thanksgiving. Just want to shout that out. And then, you know, I'll make some room for the cranberry. You know, not the cranberries, but I'll, I'll make some room for the stuffing.

Alexander Coccia: 56:40

This might be sacrilege, but in Canada, my favorite Thanksgiving meal item is not turkey. I'm a huge fan of ham. I don't know if a lot of people out there will eat ham for Thanksgiving, but to me, sliced ham, and I like overcooking it. So it's basically just bacon. I love it. I can't get enough of it.

Cozy Snap: 56:57

Dude. Yeah. I mean, it'll be there like on the spread every now and then, but no, it's definitely Turkey. Ham's like a Christmas thing here, I think, more so.

Alexander Coccia: 57:05

Is it? You know what else is probably a really good cook, I gotta tell you? Gladiator.

Cozy Snap: 57:10

I mean, he's been cooked in decks, that's for sure, dude. I've seen Gladiator tried in, like, everything ever, right? Like, I've seen Deira make a deck, and Deira's just good at the game, so he can put him in, like, the worst deck, and, like, this deck works out. Oh man, it's time to talk about Gladiator in review. Now, I've got the stats on my end, but I looked at 100 and plus, so, like, infinite gameplay. 46 percent winrate, buddy. 46 percent negative cubes. Doesn't shock me. This is exactly, I mean, if you go back and you look at where we ranked these cars, I had them at a 2 star. And it's where I put them. Does he work? Yes. Does he... Is he decent? Sure, but he's not bringing anything new to the table and he could be such, such a damn liability, buddy.

Alexander Coccia: 57:53

He can be, and like, listen, I've played a ton of Gladiator. This was a card I was really excited about. I was really excited when he was a 3 8. When he was a 3 8, I was all in on a 4 star rating. And then when he got nerfed to 3. 7, then we found out about the ongoing and the on reveal, like all these mechanic things kind of stacked up. It was the conversation last week. I was pretty high on this card and it brought me right down, but you know what? I have to tell you, I was committed to playing them. I played a ton of Gladiator, especially during the Twitch drops. People were watching me play Gladiator. I worked so hard to make a surfer list that worked with Gladiator. And you know what? I got to tell you, I think I did. I ran a Gladiator deck with like 80 games on it, with a 59 percent win rate. Which ain't that bad, all things considered, okay? I'm gonna throw the deck up on the screen, but basically, I had Echo in there, Snowguard, right? I had Goose, Shadow King, we just finished talking about how good Shadow King is, Negasonic, because the rest of the cards I'm gonna talk about go hand in hand with Gladiator's ability to put up tremendous power and maintain initiative, right? I had Werewolf by night. I had Polaris, Spider Man, Gladiator itself, Maximus. These are all huge 3 drops. And then, of course, Silver Surfer and Serah. With this combination, I was able to very effectively put up immense power on turn 6 with Gladiator. But most importantly, it earned initiative, if played earlier, for something like a Negasonic, which could basically have, like, an Alioth style effect. I felt that this deck worked really well for Gladiator, but it was absolutely trash everywhere else. However... It betrayed me so often where it pulled out cards. I just simply did not want to see its effect was mind bogglingly punishing. I was pulling out Dark Hawks, Devil Dinosaurs. It was the ongoings that were killing me. It wasn't as much as the on reveals. I even had games where I was pulling out negatives. I couldn't even believe someone was playing net. I'm like, seriously, this is the matchup I just pulled. But like the ongoings were soul crushing for me and it really did lower. My kind of feelings on this card. I don't know if you felt the same.

Cozy Snap: 59:50

I mean, that's why I like make him a three eight. I'm still not like, yeah, he's great. It's because he's still going to lose to those cards. And then even on the on reveal, it still sucks. Like not that Gladiator sucks. He kind of does, but like the, what happens sucks. And for me, I put them in a destroy list with Knull and I made it work where you could, if you, if you destroyed a card, great, if you didn't, you know, you had things to kind of cook it out and get it a little bit better. He's just awkward, man. And it could be the meta. You know, we could we could look at lists in the future, in the future and be like, Hey, this really depends on XYZ cards, right? Annihilus is a great example. You know, you could probably get rid of a lot of those. I don't know. We have to see how that all works out. But it's just not his time, and I don't know why I would put him in for another card in a lot of my decks. I just don't. It's the same reason why Maximus. Has been cut out of virtually every surfer list until Gladiator came out, right? Because there's other cards that are going to give you profit and not, you know, completely hurt you. I don't know. I'm just not the craziest fan on him. I try to love him I try to plug him into a lot of decks. I think they're Again, when I reviewed him, I said he is giving decks a new way to win, but he's not irreplaceable You could play other cards in his position and still have things work out. That being said, he did what we thought. If he brings a card down and you don't want to, you probably lose that game. But if you don't... You got seven power sitting in the lane. It's a pretty big high roll. And if you snap and you win the games, you get them out and then you don't snap and you retreat on the other games, then, hey, maybe it's a net positive. But for me, he's a, he's just a negative.

Alexander Coccia: 1:01:23

Yeah, no, I see that. But like, I think that the potential buff to three eight would be significant because not only is it just additional power on the board, but it's also hand in hand with his effect. It's a two pronged buff, right? So that's maybe why they were careful with it. It clearly is under tuned. Like you're right. The win rates are sub 50%. Like it's disgusting. It's meta share as a brand new card at 5%. Like people aren't interested in playing it. And this to me. Is a card of two like polar opposites. It's not that great, but hell is it fun? And I think that's important. It's fun. It's fun. It's so fun to play. So fun. Even when I was losing, I was having a blast. Yeah, I mean, you demolished me. I'm gonna roll the clip right now. You demolished me because I played gladiator. I had you dead to write with one of the greatest quake plays in the history of Marvel Snap. Like it was unbelievable how Gladiator took a surefire wind game and it threw it in the frigging garbage for me. It was like the perfect example.

Cozy Snap: 1:02:19

I remember watching this play down. I was like, this is gonna be on the Snapchat. I was like, don't get gladiated. Guys, I had like, at this point in time, it's been changed since, I had like a perfect record on Alex. And I had this whole speech. I had a whole speech. I was like, hey guys, listen. There's games you can't even be mad, right? Like, we gave it our all. We did our fight. It was great. Alex just kicked our ass here. He did. Let's just play Ms. Marvel just to end it with a little Iron Man as a sizzle. And I watched, I watched this man pull out this Alioth, killing his Gladiator, and giving me the pl It, it was so phenomenal, I couldn't believe it, Alex. It was probably the hardest I've laughed since our co pilot of the Heimdallr, like, a while back.

Alexander Coccia: 1:02:57

It's key to understand, though, that I went all in on Gladiator. I buffed him with Nikia and Okoye, he was like a big Gladiator. I bounced him back so I could replay the Gladiator for no reason. He never had to get bounced back. I did it just because I was like, I'm all in on Gladiator, right? Like, I, I deserved it. I deserved to lose, right? And I mean, it was a hilarious game, but it really showcases what the floor on Gladiator is, right? Like, the floor is, it's one of those few cards where the floor is above the ceiling.

Cozy Snap: 1:03:25

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You lose the game.

Alexander Coccia: 1:03:27

The floor's above the ceiling on Gladiator, right?

Cozy Snap: 1:03:29

Like, you lose the game. He can lose you the game single handedly. There's not... Tell me other cards that can do that. There's not a lot. There's not a lot.

Alexander Coccia: 1:03:39

No, single handedly just ruin your game. Yeah, that's exactly what Glider does. It can do it on turn 3, it can ruin your game. It can do it on turn 4, 5, and guess what? It can ruin your damn game on turn 6, and that's exactly what happened there. So, ultimately, I think Glider needs some love. It's a ton of fun. I love the flavour of the card. I love how it swears, right? When it can't destroy the card. Oh, it's so funny. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But like, it just... It isn't there yet. So if you don't have Gladiator, and here's the tricky thing with the spotlight caches, right? Like if they buff him in an OTA two, three weeks from now, and it's not in spotlight caches, then it's like, damn it, I should have got him when I had the chance, right? So like, it's so tricky, but like right now, yeah, he's definitely a pass, but if you like having fun, he is fun. But I will say that in my surfer deck, he did feel pretty solid.

Cozy Snap: 1:04:19

46 percent is pretty bad. He has a lot of making up to do, that's for sure. With that, man, let's talk about the state. Of the meta you know, I don't feel like it's in the worst place that it's ever been in Snap. It's definitely in... There's about ten or so decks, which is a lot. That's a lot of decks, you know, to be fair. First of all, what are your thoughts right now on the meta? Because I feel like two decks get adjusted, we're in a good spot.

Alexander Coccia: 1:04:42

I think it's pretty good. I mean, realistically, the meta will never be perfect, but I think the opportunity to brew is there, and I think that's really important. The actual meta decks, like what you see on like reports that Cozy and I do and stuff like that, those, there's a variety of different archetypes. There's different ways to approach the game. They're all, they're all relatively competitive. However, what I will say is because there's no completely shattered, broken deck that's like destroying everyone, it gives you room to brew. And I think that's what makes a healthy meta, right? And actually the decks, the deck guides you've been Producing have been brews and they've been really good and they've been solid. Right. And I think that like, when you have a meta that encourages you to take some chances, that's a healthy meta. And like, I've been brewing with Ravonna and I've been winning gold tickets. I've been winning infinity tickets with it. And I love it. I love the idea that, you know, the medicine is a place where we have some strong archetypes. We have some strong decks, but it isn't completely solved and figured out yet. I think that's an important thing. Yeah, for sure.

Cozy Snap: 1:05:36

I mean, I would say the only glaring, like, Hey, this is clearly. People, I would say obviously Alioth is, is up there and a lot of these decks are based off of locking a lane, playing Alioth. Storming a lane, playing Alioth. Winning a lane, playing Alioth. Like, that, that's the whole goal for a lot of them. But the other side, and, and this has got to be the most hated, we just talked about on my side for Top 10 Cards. It is Loki. For me, it's not a if, it's a when he does get adjusted in some sort of game, because of just the way that he's played out. It the thing is, there are, there are cards and decks that can easily tackle Loki. And then there are ones that, even though they're insane value decks, they just get destroyed by Loki. Because there's nothing you can do. Now, it would be interesting, like, You know, it's funny, I've always gone back and forth how you make it feel good. It's like, okay, what if you do an animation like Modoc, which shows the cards Loki gets, and then you're like, okay. You know, if the Noel is there, you know, if they have your death, and then you could play around that a bit better and then you're losing to your cards. Sure. But then you know what they have, he just does so much at once. Right. And I feel like Loki right now is by far the best deck. I think he's by far the best deck in the game. There are things that are close to it very close to it, but I think Loki is at, is at the, is at the ceiling. And then you've got, like, the Ms. Marvel Dex, the Shuri, the Bounce Hawk, and the Destroy, all in one other tight list Out of the ones I said there, are there ones that stand out to you?

Alexander Coccia: 1:07:02

Yeah, well, first of all, about Loki, I have a question. So, I've thought about this too. We're skating a lot of cards. Even Annihilus does this. It's kind of two effects in one. It seems like they're two cards in one. And so, Loki has two lines of text. Replace your starting hand, sorry, replace your hand with cards from the opponent's starting deck. And then gives them negative one. What if he was back at like a 3 but you got rid of the give them negative one? And that makes the Quinjet much more viable in those decks. Like why are we double dipping with Quinjet? What if you remove the, give them one negative one and you actually just add additional power to them? Or like, you don't, you make Loki a more standalone card and you get rid of that, that Quinjet effect. Is that crazy?

Cozy Snap: 1:07:40

No, I think there's got to be something like that done, or you make Mobius back in it again. Because what's interesting is Mobius is not it where he's at now. They're gonna adjust him again, I would guess, right? Like, whether that's a 3 4 or whatever they end up doing with him because he's not working. You have to have the threat for that to exist. And I know he's not working because She Hulk is one of my favorite cards in the game. And I don't feel any threat not to play her. I'm like, I'm always gonna play She Hulk. She feels fantastic right now. Very slept on, actually. Could have been. In our last segment there. But yeah, I, I, I agree. I think something's got to go on him a little bit. Or just be more direct. Remember when Shuri was like, you play a card anywhere it gets double power. To think if we still had that effect, that's silly. It's silly. It's a, it's a stupid effect if you think about it. Now it makes a lot of sense. You gotta play on the Shuri lane. There's gotta be something dialed in there in my opinion. We are close to a great meta, but I do feel like Loki... I love him, he's great, he's a fun card, a lot of people love to play him, but he is the like, he's the easy way out, in my opinion, right now.

Alexander Coccia: 1:08:44

What if you changed it, this kind of came to mind while you were talking, what if you changed this text to instead of replacing your hand with cards from your opponent's deck, you filled your hand with cards from your opponent's deck. Because that made it so that like the, the snow guards and all the hand generation stuff, you know, you're not using that to get like 7 cards from your opponent, but rather you're running the risk of keeping your hand thin. And maybe even not drawing Loki and having, you know, that being a problem. So you're only filling your hand, stuffing a draw, and getting those cards from your opponent.

Cozy Snap: 1:09:14

You might be too good for a Devil Dinosaur swing at that point. But yeah, I mean, I mean, there are, there are multiple ways to make Loki fun, great, feel good, worth the money that you paid for him or the cash that you got from him. This is not a one cost increase, isn't it? Yeah, right. And I don't know if I want to kill Collector. With them either, because I kind of like the idea of doing The Shadow King as the counter there. It's just like, right now, it takes me back to like, Oh, they got collected. Oh, they snapped. It takes me back to like, the Zabu days. You know what I mean? Like, he's like, My argument for Junk was like, he's a different way to play. You can't be mad at that. Yes, but there needs to be some dials. But I like your point. I do. I think there are dials to be had. And in Loki's case, we've got a lot of dials to work with, right? We just have to find the right the correct ones.

Alexander Coccia: 1:10:00

Yeah. And this isn't a full Loki discussion. We have other stuff we want to talk about too, but here's worth noting. He is at the top of the meta right now. And I actually feel like he's less impactful than he used to be. He was way more broken in the initial season pass launch. Like he's come down a little bit, at least, which is nice. A little bit of a, you know. A kind of pushback with the nerfs that he's received. So that's good. At least he's closer than further away to being much more balanced. We can't, we can't not bring up Sheena. You actually did bring up She Hulk, which was a great call out. Feenaut is re emerging out there. The evolutionary base stack is kind of the leading one here, currently running a 58 percent win rate in infinite. A very strong list and again, that's because of Mobius on Mobius, falling out of the meta completely. And that allows She Hulk a lot of room to play. I've actually been experimenting with a Moon Girl variant of the She Naut style decks. It's a little greedier, but hell, does it punish people when you catch them with that double She Hulk? I know you're a fan of that, right?

Cozy Snap: 1:10:53

I was like, Alex, coach you know, Moon Girl's my, my play. I, yeah, dude, I'm big on that. I think Moon Girl is. One of the cards that's just not played. I think Jeff is the only guy that I know with me who, like, we, we're known for our double up, and like, that, there are cards that are becoming exponentially better like Elsa's always been a good double up, but She Hulk, I don't know, I had a whole rant on how I think She Hulk's one of the best cards in the game. So yes, no, no question with that. And what are your thoughts on right now balance? Because I feel like balance when I'm streaming, it's a deck that I almost refuse to play when I'm streaming because it's so It is so tough to play, but it feels like, now that's, the damn Kitty Pryde's gone again. It's rewarding for those that really, you know, learn the playstyle. For me, when Nico came out those that were on my stream didn't testify. It was the first deck I tried. It was Nico Bounce. And damn does it slap. And it works with Chavis, your love, Darkhawk. What are your thoughts on Bounce at the moment?

Alexander Coccia: 1:11:50

My thought is, is that Beast is way better than we thought it was. Remember when Beast was like a 2 drop? And then it got changed and we thought like, BEAST IS DEAD! BEAST GOT MURDERED IN COLD BLOOD! And like, realistically, Beast has been pretty damn good, right? It's been so good. And like, I can't believe we even slept on this effect prior. Like, we talked about cost reduction. Beast is cost reduction. Like, this is an insane card and it's felt really good. It's felt really good. So like, I like the color. Actually, your Nico bounce deck was phenomenal. I really enjoyed playing it.

Cozy Snap: 1:12:18

Dude, I, it's funny that, I, that's why I always give patience to when we get nerfs, because we freak out. And then you look back at the versions of the, like, I've, even just talking about Shuri a second ago, right? Or the old beast, or the old Quinjet, right? It's like, man, it's so obvious now, it's so obvious, and like, we just, we need to have that faith moving forward that it's gonna be obvious, you know, as time moves on here. But yeah I think Bounce is a great place. We already talked about Destroy, I feel like a healthy amount, but we both know destroys in a crazy spot at the moment. Any other decks up there in the, in the top of the meta for you?

Alexander Coccia: 1:12:52

I can't believe you're not talking about rocks and Hawks right now. Like, am I the only one thinking about rocks? I know you're thinking about rocks. That's cause you just released a guide of a rocks and Hawks. I mean, rocks and Hawks and various different versions of rocks and Hawks are definitely on the menu right now. Dark Hawk, one might say is the second best card in Marvel Snap. If I mean, in my opinion, anyway, Cozy was a little sleeping on the dark cock, but anyways, I'll tell you that. I think that rocks knocks is definitely back. Cozy definitely agrees. And it's the, what we've talked about already on the podcast, full disruption package, full vertical power. It's just good. It's just damn good.

Cozy Snap: 1:13:22

It's in it. Just about any deck too. Like you just put those three in, it's only taking three. You have nine left to do what you want to accomplish. Ms. Marvel just works with it as well, and then, from there, it's like, Okay, we have Ms. Marvel, Zabu in, hey, put another Forecast in, and then off you go, right? So, a lot of ways to win with Roxxon Hawk. We stated it, I think, in the couple snapshots ago, that Mystique... Was gonna make her way back this season, and we have seen that pretty evidently as well, right? Mystique being able to copy Darkhawk, being able to copy Ms. Marvel, it has been insanely just great and versatile as well. So yes, Roxxon Hawks is definitely just Darkhawk decks. With Ms. Marvel, and then fill them up. It has been all over the meta at the moment.

Alexander Coccia: 1:14:04

Absolutely, and Control is a huge part of the meta right now too, and one of the most prominent lists with Control. We're gonna put it up on the screen here. It features Nebula, Nightcrawler, Medusa, Jeff, We have Storm, Ms. Marvel, Iron Lad, Professor X, Legion, Alioth, Doctor Doom, and America Chavez. Now this deck here, what it's going to do is it's basically going to do exactly what we talked about prior, which is you're going to storm or Professor X location to reliably land your Alioth play. You also have the Legion for the tech against the Sheena, which is very prevalent right now. In terms of control, we know that control has a huge play because of the Alioth, right? We've, we've kind of jumped around the bush a little bit with like Alioth potentially being still. Absolutely one of the best cards in the game. But what we're also seeing in the meta and tell me if I'm wrong, we're seeing two cards very, very commonly right now. We're seeing Alioth and we're seeing Ms. Marvel. Do you think we're seeing too much of either of those cards?

Cozy Snap: 1:14:58

Well, Alioth, we've already had the point. I think, yeah. I mean, I just think, yeah, of course. Yeah. I think Pro X is also in there. I think Pro X is, if you go back, man, look at the last couple of months, Pro X has been in every list. I actually can't even think, it's been like months that Pro X has been in these lists as well. When the Thanos list. The thing is, Alithe added one more cog to making control just over the top, right? And we saw it with the High Evil list for a while, which again had Pro X. Because, it's like, I remember back in the day when Juggernaut, you had Pro X Juggernaut, and you're like, Ooh, it's pretty good! It's you can bounce their cards out and now it's just you just get rid of them and it's a it's a absolute win factor Miss Marvel makes it a bit easier. I think Miss Marvel is a is a good card. I don't I don't know I don't think I would affect her much maybe make her a 4 4 that still gives plus five on each side But even then I think she's fine what she does and then it's more punishing because you only get the four stats Maybe that's what happens. Her stats are really good But other than that, no, I think it's it's Pretty good. Pretty feral.

Alexander Coccia: 1:16:01

I think that the difference between Alioth and Ms. Marvel is that Alioth doesn't feel fair in the way Ms. Marvel does. Ms. Marvel feels fair. When Ms. Marvel's sitting there, you're like, Well, I don't have Enchantress, Rogue, or Echo in my deck. I deserve this. Whereas with Alioth, you never feel like... I deserve that, unless you didn't even think Alioth was a possibility. You can never, like, you always have to finish your turn six with, does this beat Alioth? Does this lose to Alioth, right? It's the classic leader thing, right? So we are seeing a lot more of that control there, which is absolutely key. I mean, outside of that, I think the meta is in a really good spot. And I'll leave you with this, Cozy. What are the decks you're currently bringing into Conquest? As we get to the end of the season here, some people are grinding towards the Infinite Ladder, and other people are starting to dip their toes in Conquest. What are some of the decks? That you're tiking into Conquest.

Cozy Snap: 1:16:45

Yeah couple shoutouts. I think Discard is always gonna be good, right? I think also Cerebro finally is getting some love. C5 is in a great spot, man. You know, C2 is, is getting there, if you will. One deck I've played a lot. It's not exactly, like, the best winner wise. And I'll have it on a video upcoming here. But been playing a lot of Nick Fury Rocks and Hawks. So, kind of back in the day, pump up your Devil Dinosaur. You've got the Moon Girl and and She Hulk package in there as well. But I love him with Conquest, right? Because I get all these Six Costs. And now that you have Alioth in there there's just all Six Cost cards are good. Spectrum feels good finally, right? Go look at Six Costs. There's really not a bad one. Except Agatha, who cannot be pulled from Nick Fury. So, like, I enjoy Nick Fury's gameplay, especially theirs. That's like a personal flavor pick for myself. Other than that, Magneto Lockdown is one that I've been playing a lot too. You know, kind of a traditional Lockdown deck. But you have Magneto. Why is Magneto good? Well, you can get rid of the Venoms. You can move the Miss Marvels. You can get rid of the Darkhawks. Magneto is a card that's being slept on a good amount, in my opinion.

Alexander Coccia: 1:17:47

I agree. I was playing Magneto in Tribunal for the simple reason that after the hell of discard or whatever the hell you were going to do with the Magneto, it just destroyed their board state, destroyed their board state. I loved it. In Ms. Marvel, not only are you reliant on being mostly in the center, but once you start pulling replicas and duplicates of stuff in it, like it just destroys their whole thing. Right. So really, really liked the Magneto call out here. And I'll tell you what Magneto is not. It's not a buff candidate. Which is our next point of discussion. Now, Magneto has consistently been one of the best cards in Marvel Snap, one of the most consistent evergreen cards in Marvel Snap. But now we have some cards that simply just don't see play. They just don't. Maybe they never will, Cozy. But I gotta tell you, it feels like Second Dinner is kinda committed to buffing some of the The Sleepers to playable status. Now, some buffs don't always land like we'd hope. Like, you know, we're hoping for a little more sometimes, in the case of a couple cards I'll talk about that might have already been touched up and need to get touched up again, dammit. But other than that, there's some cards that I've seen absolutely no love. I'll let you start us off.

Cozy Snap: 1:18:48

Yeah, for buff candidates, it was tough because I think they've done a pretty good job and I'll be damned if I say the same ones as we always do. But I do think, at this point, you look at all the one cost cards, And you say, which one stands out above the rest. Dude, it's got to be Elektra, right? Like, Elektra right now, I've seen stuff that flirts with her being a card that can destroy like two drops. I've seen her a card which is like boosted stats, and it's more like of it's not a re I don't know. There's some cool things that you can do with Elektra, and I think she has one of the most unique kits, that creativity could really skyrocket her play rate and is probably at the top of my list that I want to get buffed up.

Alexander Coccia: 1:19:29

I'd love to see Elektra get buffed. I believe that was one of our ideas, actually, to destroy a 2 drop. I think it started here on the Snapchat, but anyways, yeah, Elektra's one of my one of the cards I used to... Traditionally play a lot of, I was one of the only believers when Sunspot was completely over tuned. Remember when Sunspot was a 1 1 in every single deck, right? Again, we keep talking about the cards that got, were so broken in the past. When Sunspot was running rampant, I used Electra very frequently and to good success. But ever since the changes, we have a lot less reliability. Especially with Killmonger being as reliable as it is in a lot of decks. So yeah, Electra feels like it just doesn't feel relevant or playable. Of course, I'm sure it's one of the only cars you don't have gold split multiple times because who's playing Electra in this economy, right?

Cozy Snap: 1:20:08

Yeah, right, dude. Other one cost, right? I mean, obviously Angel at this point. We can both say that. I mean, I did, was Angel on your list or was he just an auto include? Yeah, I know. It makes no sense why Angel's not there. I have one more one cost, but do you have another one cost on your list?

Alexander Coccia: 1:20:22

I have two one costs three actually now that I look at my list. This can be a super hot take Super hot take but I almost feel like the kitty pride nerf needs to be reverted.

Cozy Snap: 1:20:33

Oh, dude. I've had enough of kitty Come on, man. I've had enough of it.

Alexander Coccia: 1:20:38

Listen, they nerfed the entire thing. They nerfed Angela. They nerfed Elsa. They nerfed Kitty. This card is a shell of its former self. It's being cut from almost everything. When was the last time you saw Kitty Pride?

Cozy Snap: 1:20:50

If they were to buff Kitty before Angel or the ones we talk about, I'll lose my mind. She's, the last time I saw her was for seven months straight. Like, I have had enough of her. I get it that maybe she's like a little bit undertuned. But like, what, she's a 1 0, she gets 1 every time she goes back, and you can play her with Elsa. So she can dependently be above a 1 5. Sounds great to me. And she can boost up I think what hurt is the Angela change. I think the Angela change, obviously, is the one that really Her playstyle of deck but I just, dude, the way that she dodges priority is what is the secret behind her kit. It's not the power, it's like, that's such a huge thing behind it. I mean, hey, I could easily be, like, the viewers and the listeners could easily be on your side here. I've just, I've had my kitty pride, Phil.

Alexander Coccia: 1:21:35

I totally get it, maybe her time is right to just sit and languish for a while. But she's not a 1 5, she's a 5 5. Every time you play her, you're committing energy to her, right? So, like, she's not, she's not giving a return right now. And you're right, it's the Angela, it's the Elsa, it's everything around the edges that kind of hurt her, but... Okay, I wanted to throw that as a spicy conversation point. The other one that we need to talk about... Is Uatu? We're not we can't be done yet. No, I'm not accepting this. I tried. I tried for hours to make Uatu work. He's still filth. I don't care. Please, show us all the locations. If he destroys the meta because he's showing all the locations, take him back and blame me. Literally put it in the developer notes. AlexCoach is an idiot. He made us do this. He was wrong. Like, I'll I'll own that. Why is Uatu so friggin bad? He's completely unplayable. Is it because he would disproportionately impact the early, like, the early kind of pools? And it'd make, like, locations not feel as relevant? Then move him to pool 3! Seriously, move him to pool 3! And get him out of the beginner's stuff, then.

Cozy Snap: 1:22:33

But also, like, and I, and I mean this, like, respectfully, like, who gives a damn? I don't think it plays that big of an impact of players learning stuff early on. I really don't. I, I, I didn't. Like, I wasn't like, oh, wow, Uwatu's, like, really helping me out here. Like, yeah. I don't know. And I also think it's important to look, I'm not saying that there aren't new players, there's a lot of new players in the game, but there are more players that have been in the game. And so, like, I personally would cater to that. That's my thought on it. I know Glenn definitely has different thoughts, but yeah, I want to... The Watu being able to see all but not see all just seems silly. It just seems like we're gatekeeping a card that doesn't need to be gatekept there, you know.

Alexander Coccia: 1:23:07

I agree, and there's another card and one last one drop. I can't believe you're not talking to this kid.

Cozy Snap: 1:23:12

I have one! I've been waiting! Yeah, I

Alexander Coccia: 1:23:14

Come on! Are we gonna have a conversation about M'Baku yet?

Cozy Snap: 1:23:16

Hey sir, I said I have one waiting! That's who I had, M'Baku, a card I never play. Never play him. Ever play him. He's just fun. I think he's he's such a fun flavor pick that all you need to do is give him plus two if he lands on the board, like if he's able to do his, his, ah!

Alexander Coccia: 1:23:33

I agree, let him buff when he lands. That makes perfect sense. Because like, in theory he would ruin like, what, play him in C4? Or whatever the buff he gets, right? But then like, he'd be detrimental in your hand. Or just make him like Chavez, sit him on the bottom. Like, is it really that bad that M'Baku jumps from the deck at the end of the game? Like, can we not make M'Baku playable, please? Like, it's just fun. Why can't we make M'Baku?

Cozy Snap: 1:23:55

I agree. I think, I think, I don't know if they're trying to stay away from like, well, we don't want players to lose when they think they won. I'm like, who cares? If someone risks... Just playing Embaku and managed to keep it in their hand with all the limbo's out now and stuff. You know what I mean? Like, let it be. Let it happen. And there's no way to force him back into your deck outside of Lockjaw anymore, right? So he's kind of, and that's kind of out of the meta too. I love that you had Embaku on the list as well. I think this is the first time I've ever talked about him.

Alexander Coccia: 1:24:19

Moving to the three drops, I got to tell you, I tried my best to make Moon Knight work. I tried. I tried so hard. Strong guy discard surfer, it was stupid. And Moon Knight felt horrible even there. It felt unplayable. It felt like a card, like it wasn't worth the risk. The disruption felt okay, but you often felt like you were destroying yourself. And in discard, it feels pretty awful for the same reasons why like Swordmaster can feel awful. Cause like, there's so many reliable discard effects. There's no point in running the risk of a 3 3 discarding your Dracula. It needs to be more power. You like, you need to balance the negative effect of it could destroy you. With I, like, I understand like it's disruptive, but 3 3 just isn't it.

Cozy Snap: 1:25:03

It stinks. Either that or keep his power low and make it, get rid of the left most card, because then that means it's a card you've been hanging on to and you may want to play it later, right? And it probably is an Apocalypse or something like that. But, then you, man, it's dicey territory with this card, because you can't, you can't give too much target. You can't, because then it gets too good, right? Like, we know that from Blade. Even just Blade's small change was radical. Yeah, I think he can get a little more power. Either that, or give him what I said with lower power, or the same power. He's definitely a card that could use some love. I haven't even thought about him much, so that's, you know, why I would agree there. You know, we've talked about you, you skipped over two costs, which I was shocked at. I got a couple in there. I did too, but I wasn't going in order. Oh, okay. It was like, you're like, 1 to 3, I was like, okay. Moon yeah, Moon Knight I like a lot. We've talked about Colossus. He didn't survive the Spectrum buff. Why is he here? What are we doing? I guess maybe he's there for new player purposes as well. Here's my question, because I feel like Quake... is underplayed in some ways, but it's also bad. Right? So it's like, what do you do? What do you do with Quake?

Alexander Coccia: 1:26:10

We talked about it like a year ago. The easy solution to Quake is make the effect reliable. Take the center location, move it right to the right location, move it left, make the left location move center, make it so that you know where the location is going to land, or when you hover her. It shows the locations where they're going to land, even if they're random. So you can't predictably do it every time, but every time she's going to like, make it so that she can feel the locations, like, like make them hover. So like, you know, where they're going to move.

Cozy Snap: 1:26:37

Would you let it be a three cost for that?

Alexander Coccia: 1:26:40

No, leave it at two, three. And if it's too powerful, I think it's obviously dog water as it is.

Cozy Snap: 1:26:46

I agree. But I think that's a powerful effect. I think like the randomness and the change from the randomness, I would have her in like. A lot of decks at that point, right? But also, I don't know, I guess, yeah, I don't know. That, that, like, a 3 4 with that same effect would also seem okay for me.

Alexander Coccia: 1:27:01

You have Collector at like 2 14 half the time. You're telling me a 2 3 Quake that can reliably move locations is a huge problem?

Cozy Snap: 1:27:08

Oh dude, what a cherry pick of a pull. I, yeah, I just couldn't, I had no comment. Yeah, I guess. What other cards you got for me, Alex?

Alexander Coccia: 1:27:15

I mean, are we gonna talk about Master Mold again? Or are we just gonna say Master Mold needs work? And I still like the idea of him getting plus power every time he plays a Sentinel.

Cozy Snap: 1:27:22

That was perfect. Yeah, the Sentinel, that was perfect. That was like my favorite buff suggestion of all time.

Alexander Coccia: 1:27:27

And can we go to four costs for a sec then? Jump, jump through the threes for a sec. There's a card that I feel like no one ever talks about. A card that I've tried to make work in the past. And I actually, I took to a tournament as part of my tournament decks. And that is Utuma. Utuma is a card that has been long forgotten. And I just wonder if. Yes, it's a high power card, but like, is it really worth trying to fight for this condition? Especially with the kind of buffs that have occurred with the change to Shang Chi. A lot of cards that kind of hover around the 9 power, 10 power range have been impacted by Shang Chi. Atuma still being 10 power, I mean, sitting by itself in Shang Chi range feels bad, even though it's often played in conjunction with armor, for instance. I just think that Tuma needs something.

Cozy Snap: 1:28:11

It's almost like he should have an ongoing effect. I feel like that would be a lot for him. And I say that because if you look at Century and Typhoid. I get the 10. Like, TIE Fortress has like a, you know, Loot Cage, Zero, Enchantress, all working. Whereas like, Atuma has, I guess, Zero and Armor. But then if you add the ongoing thing and then you have a couple other, you know what I mean? Like, it feels like he needs more to help him out, and that the 10 power is not enough. Now, do you want to flirt with making it 4. 11, and then you make that threshold higher? Which, who are we kidding? Darkhawk is already way over that, you know? I don't know, but yes, I do agree. Actually, it was funny. This was a thought I had today. I had a variant pop up in my shop. I think it might still be in there. I had a variant pop up in my shop, and I was like, hey, what a cool it's not there anymore. I was like, what a cool variant! Too bad I won't ever play it, right? So I agree. I think that was a good, good call. Yeah, man, my last one is going to be Ronin. And it's funny because, like, we've seen so many metas come and go and things happen. And, like, Ronin has stayed the same. He's always been the meme card. He's been the card that just doesn't quite work and it's time. It's time to address him. Time to address his effect and to make him somewhat worthwhile. Again, nothing shocker there. Captain America, Punisher, Angel Ronin. We've said these before. Hopefully, Second Dinner gets around to them before the new year, Alex. But we'll have to see. We have a brand new OTA coming out this Thursday.

Alexander Coccia: 1:29:33

Yeah, and honestly, they've been touching up a lot of cards, like, we're not even talking about any of the six drops, because for the most part, they feel pretty rock solid and fair, right? The game has been, like, increasingly better balanced, and it's just, it's some of the newer releases, but it actually makes sense, because the newer releases have far less data. We know Quake sucks, we know Master Mold sucks, we know Ronin does not compete with Double Dinosaur. But we didn't quite know that Gladiator was going to basically poop its pants. Like there's just no way of knowing that until it gets into the hands of the player base. Right. But ultimately I got to tell you, it's still a great time to be a Marvel style player. We're getting a lot of frequent balance pass changes. The meta feels fresh. There might be a couple culprits near the top that might be causing some grief, but overall cozy. I think we're in a good spot and we got some great news starting next week. We're actually going to be making the mail bag. The question and answer for Cozy and I, a consistent part of the Snapchat each week. It's going to be a lot of fun and thank you so much for all the support you provide to Cozy and I's content.

Cozy Snap: 1:30:32

That is gonna conclude this snapchat, great conversations today. We're going to look like different humans after Annihilus hits us, man. And we've got Thanksgiving coming up here in America. So enjoy your Thanksgiving on this holiday week, guys, and have a great turkey. Apparently avoid the stuffing if it's up to Alex. And as always guys, thanks for coming. Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. And until the next Snapchat episode, happy snapping.