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BLOB: THE BIGGEST CARD EVER | Chavez Death & Huge Patch Review | The Top 10 Surfer Cards | The Snap Chat Ep. 58
Will the BLOB crush the meta? How good is Sebastian Shaw? What is the
top 10 surfer cards in Snap? Join Cozy Snap and Alexander Coccia as they chat about this and more on this episode of The Snap Chat and every week as they discuss all things Marvel Snap.
Will the BLOB crush the meta? How good is Sebastian Shaw? What is the
top 10 surfer cards in Snap? Join Cozy Snap and Alexander Coccia as they chat about this and more on this episode of The Snap Chat and every week as they discuss all things Marvel Snap.
What's going on, guys? And welcome back. The biggest card, quite literally, to ever come to Marvel Snap arrives Tuesday. The Blob is here, and he looks insane. We're gonna talk about the best decks, combos, and overall, is he worth buying with your tokens or spotlight keys? We're also going to break down the craziest and probably biggest patch that we have had in Marvel Snap. America Chavez is dead, we got winners, and we have losers. And today, Alex and I are going to break down our opinions on the patch. And then lastly, we're going to talk about game features. Smart decks, are they smart? And a whole lot more that came out in the recent patch. We're going to talk about that all today and more on this episode of Snapchat. And as always, I'm joined by Mr. Alex Coccia some know him as the Elephant Hater, others as the Christmas Hater now. But I will say, you had a huge amount of fans against Last Christmas in the comments. I thought there would be a divide. And there definitely was a divide of Last Christmas lovers and haters. We have a big week this week in Marvel Snap, bud. How you doing?
Alexander Coccia:I'm doing great, Cozy. You're right. It's actually a massive week in Marvel Snap. There is so much going on right now. And I gotta tell you, Last Christmas. Is absolutely terrible. I actually went back and I'm like, okay, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm being unreasonable here. So first of all, I'd never heard of Wham before until you'd said it. So then I listened to the Wham version. I'm like, okay, this is way more chill and like better. That was much more listenable. And then I'm like, wait, what was the one that I keep hearing on like the store radios all the time? And it's definitely like, it's a, I think it's Mariah Carey. And that's the one I can't stand because like it has like way too much over singing and like chaos in it. And I'm just like, what is this? So they kind of took like, I think the remake ruined the original for me. I'd never even realized the original existed.
Cozy Snap:Yeah. Listen, I can get behind any cover Christmas song. I'm usually I'm out. I I'm out. But I did see a good chunk of people want the holiday movies. So this is where we're kicking off this Snapchat before we get to the subjects. Okay. Mount Rushmore. Of holiday movies. This should be a lot easier. I feel like this should be coming right up. There should be one that maybe you watch every year. I don't know if you guys listening, watching have her tradition. When I say Christmas movie, what's your first one like Off the rip?
Alexander Coccia:Oh, it's national Lampoon's Christmas Vacation. That's a good one.
Cozy Snap:That is a good one. I thought you were gonna hit me with like the die Hard and we have to go into that whole conversation is Die Hard, the Christmas movie. So that's the one, that's the one that you're watching the feel good movie.
Alexander Coccia:So here's the thing though, like, I've always watched, even like when I was a kid, we used to watch with my parents and stuff like that, and for the last five years, we have never been able to figure out which streaming service it's available on. So this year, for the first time, my wife and I actually sought it out at like, a Walmart or something, and bought like, the Blu ray. So that we have, we actually bought a Blu ray in 2023. Because in Canada, no one was streaming it, or whoever it is, I don't know. So we have it finally. So we haven't actually watched it this year yet, but in my house, I'll tell you what my kids love. And it's like, I didn't realize it was gonna be an issue until they started watching Home Alone 1, the first Home Alone. It was my absolute god tier movie.
Cozy Snap:That was my, that was my, first of all, I gotta back up and say, I was at Target the other day, and there's the DVD section. I was walking through there. I was like, Who the hell's buying these anymore, apparently? Your boy, Alex Kocha. Yeah, Home Alone is the number one. I don't think that movie there is a divided camp on Home Alone 2. Not a fan. Home Alone 1, incredible. Very good movie. Probably, it might be my top pick. Elf used to be the top pick, but it's been a little oversaturated. I feel like there's been a lot of Elf, and when it came out I don't think anyone can deny it. It was like, it was the, like, the most solid all around Christmas movie. But it's, it's on every dude, they're playing that thing in like October now. They're like just prepping for the holidays.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, I've kind of grown out of Elf. I'm not a big fan of it. Like, it's okay. Like, it's fine. My kids like it. It's funny. But Will Ferrell, like, kind of, it's like kind of grates on you a little bit after a while. Like, it can be a little difficult to watch over and over again. It's most quotable though.
Cozy Snap:It's most quotable, I feel like.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, oh, it definitely has quot like, it definitely has, like, really high end mode. Like, when he freaks out in the store. It's one of my favourite moments in it.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, okay, so Home Alone. The Santa Claus, the first one. I think it's a banger. I think it was a really good, solid film overall. And then my sleeper pick. Have you seen Four Christmases with Vince Vaughn?
Alexander Coccia:Oh wait, I think a long time ago. I don't really remember it though.
Cozy Snap:Dude, it's Reese Witherspoon, Vince Vaughn, Jon Favre as as like one of the brothers. It's, it's a, it's a sleeper. Big hit. Great. If you like couples retreats. And it, which is kind of a, it's not that great of a movie, but it's good, it's like funny. It's a good, It's a great like Christmas movie that's funny if you haven't done it. That's my recommendation. But anyway, Marvel snap, let's get to it. We got a lot of news and notes. We got a hit buddy with the biggest possible balance patch that we thought we would. Me and you kind of stood on it for a while. We're going into the last one of the year. My god did it deliver as far as radical change. We're going to talk about the winners and the losers today. And then we also had big updates we're going to talk about. Things, game features that came in, some missed, some hit. Alex, what are we talking about on your side of the Snapchat?
Alexander Coccia:Cozy, we're going to be talking about Sebastian Shaw in review. It's been a wild week with the season pass card. We're going to be giving our impressions and our review of it. We'll also be discussing the top 10 silver surfer cards in ranked order. And one might say that Sebastian Shaw might have been someone to inspire such a topic. And then finally, we'll be doing our weekly mailbag. One of our favorite things we do on a weekly basis.
Cozy Snap:Oh man, Sebastian Shaw. I'm excited to talk about him, break him down. He, he was, he reminded me of an old season pass card almost, if you will, but we'll break him down more on that side. Over here, buddy. Let's talk about it. Let's start with Blah. We're gonna go to the patch review. We've got a lot to break down there. I think the, the meta has been the most confusing it's ever been. I don't know about you, but really those changes that did happen as we go and dive more into those, they had radical impact, man. I was trying to find myself go to some decks that are no longer exactly viable. Pour one out for discard lovers. Let's start with Blob, though. Blob, for those that don't know, is a 6 cost. We don't get a lot of 6 costs in the game, but we have a new one. I think the last one was Alioth, and before that, I couldn't tell you. We have a 6 cost. He's a 4 power. On reveal, merge your deck into this. Not destroy it, not discard it, but merge it, and gain its total power. On going. It cannot be moved. So Alex, it has both on reveal, both on going, and is by far going to be the biggest card in Marvel Snap. Without diving into synergies, nothing, just initial impression, star ratings, what are we thinking?
Alexander Coccia:My initial impressions was about a 3 star. I think it definitely has potential, but I think that it has some challenges around the edges on how to actually make this perform. But at the end of the day though, if you think about it, just having a, like, a big 6 drop, like a Giganto in your deck, and that's enough power. That's enough power to make him huge, right? Like it's not easy to like surpass even an Agatha style stat line. So like, you can't deny the potential, but like, there's definitely going to be opportunities to like destroy yourself when this thing comes flying out of X Mansion or whatever it might be. So a really fascinating card. It's it's going to be one I want to get my hands on and test more.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, for sure. You want to get your hands on Blob Alex?
Alexander Coccia:Oh, look at him. Absolutely. Blob looks like the best cuddler in Marvel Snap.
Cozy Snap:Oh, absolutely, man. I mean, he probably smells bad I mean, somebody has to sit next to him on an airplane. Like, this is a big, he's a, he's a big, he's a big man, and he, he can't be moved. Now, Alex, I love what you had to say about him. I'm probably gonna give him more of a four star to go into your second point. I wanna dive into that more of just being a good statted card. Maybe 3. 5, but I think he does, like, a lot in one thing. And if you get him in your starting hand, you can play the game a lot differently. Then if you're waiting to get him, so he does give you, like, different levels of play. I'm telling you, I think Blob might surprise people in his overall versatility, viability, and ultimately, flexibility. I love what you said, it was going to be my biggest takeaway to start us off. People are trying to build decks around them. When you almost just can look at them, it's kind of what Annihilus was with Sentry. Just look at them, and you're gonna get a good static card. You're gonna get a big stat to finish off the game. So if you're trying to go off a combo, Okay, but if you just want him for the power, you have that, right? And what I love about it is like Phoenix Force is a great example. It's a deck when it hits, it hits out big, right? But you need the right things to happen. But if you get Phoenix Force late, it doesn't, you didn't destroy a card, you're done, right? Blob, though, doesn't need really anything. He can shine when other things happen, right? We're gonna talk about the synergistic cards with him. But as a stat card, dude, if you just have, let's say, a Maximus in the deck, and a Lizard, Okay? That's 12 right off the rip, right? So you're looking at 16 power on him? With two cards? Then you're gonna have another in there. So, it's got some massive potential. And again, as we go on, I know we have the Season Pass card in January is a 10 plus power card. The we've got Obsidian coming out in March, or in February, that's a 10 power card. So we have a lot of big cards still coming to the game, which you'll love to see. But Alex, we gotta start with combos, right? Because I feel like we've got a lot of archetypes that could work, or some at least. But, I'm telling you, the one that's the nut, you know, the one that's really like, Okay, hold on, is going to be Taskmaster. If you can get Blob out in some form, whether that's Wave, Electro on you know, get him out on 5, and you happen to have Taskmaster, tell me that's not just, that's just disgusting, right?
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, it's pretty cool. I've been trying to fool around with the idea of using Taskmaster as well. And the current line that I've been working on is a deck that utilizes Invisible Woman because you can play Taskmaster on the Invisible Woman on turn five, close with the with the Blob on turn six, and then, then Taskmaster is going to reveal, hit the Blob, right? And I was actually even playing with on my pen and paper design running Quicksilver and Domino. in those decks in order to keep cards in the deck to keep the power big, right? I don't know though. It's, it's, we're, it's, I mean, it's, it's brewing. We're brewing, right? Which is what we want to do. I don't know if it's going to be good or not, but that's one of my ideas.
Cozy Snap:I'd rather skip turn one and have a big card in the deck than have, then have Quicksilver. I don't know if I could ever have him in the deck, but the domino. I can get behind. I would love to see Domino get a little bit better. And as a 2 3, you know, I haven't played I honestly have not played Domino in ages, dude. Absolutely. Ages. But as far as archetypes, buddy, I mean, it's hard for me not to think Obviously, we go to six other six drops here, but for me, I I have to play him in Hela. I think Hela's gonna be the archetype for him. I It might be His best deck because I was just stewing with Hela. I just had a Black Knight guide go out. Hela is actually putting up some really respectable, dependable win rates right now. There's a lot of ways to play it. There's alternate win conditions. And now we have yet another alternate win condition. Imagine now playing whatever it is in your Hela deck. And you have one lane doing pretty good, and then Hela gets discarded, but you have Blob still, and you're cooking Infernaut, and Giganto, you have a 38 power play on turn 6.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, it's pretty cool, and I really like the idea of using Hela as a secondary win condition in a lot of decks, like that's what Black Knight does with Hela, which is really cool. The other side to that though is like, The thing that's holding me off Hela and gives me a little bit of pause is the fact that you have Alioth now destroying unrevealed cards on the turn, so any Invisible Woman style plays with Hela, which is often common, can be very suspect because that Alioth will just munch those cards regardless of the turn that it was played on. However, yes, Getting that Hela out, pulling Blob, and just erasing value from your deck cards you wouldn't have accessed anyway. And just basically putting up massive stat sticks all over the board? That is pretty solid.
Cozy Snap:I have not played Invisible Woman with Hela in ages. I'll be honest. Like I think it's a great combo when you don't have some of the other cards. Like if you don't have Black Knight, then you kind of have to. There's some cards that you need that are newer that kind of get Hela more dependable. The Invisible Woman, though, is the oldest trick in the book just to win. You know what I mean? Like, and I think the Tribunal Helidex still definitely likes the Invisible Woman as well. Which I might What do you On that note, and I think we can talk more about Hela in a second, but Tribunal, I feel like, I don't know if I would play him in the Hela build if I was doing a Blob Tribunal. I think I would make that it's own thing, potentially.
Alexander Coccia:What's interesting about the Tribunal version of Hela, is that you're often running cards like Iron Lad you're even seeing Magic, of course, and sometimes even Crystal. So it's oftentimes that you actually don't really have much in your deck. And the last thing in your deck, if it's like Iron Man gets hit by the Iron Lad. So they actually try to draw through all their cards through seven turns in tribunal. Now you could get greedier, cut something like the crystal and keep the blob, but those types of tribunal decks will run, you know, Iron Man and stuff like that. So there might not always be stats in the deck, which is why you have Iron Lad. So, I don't know if it's a great fit for Tribunal, but much more traditional Hela? Absolutely.
Cozy Snap:Living Tribunal would be fun. I don't think that'll be this best spot. I think Hela is my favorite spot with I'm sure, on the tip of your tongue, man. What, Big Boy Thanos is what I'm gonna call it, maybe? Like the Big Boy Thanos deck, I think. How do you not think this is going to be great with Blob? And we both brought this up last week on the Snapchat. Is this where you're going to go first? Where are you going first with Blob? Is it going to be Thanos?
Alexander Coccia:Yes. It is going to be Thanos for me. Because I do want to try, like, the Taskmaster, Invisible Woman thing. But I think that's going to be a little more, like, niche. I think just in terms of general, like, this is just going to be a good deck that works in an existing archetype that you know is good. It's Thanos for sure, and it doesn't seem like it has much of a downside. Like, I just do not see the downside in playing something like Blob and Thanos, because, even though there's a lot of small, static cards in there, like, you do have, like, Devil Dinosaur's not gonna be a massively static card in a deck Professor X is not a massively static card, but Thanos is, of course, right? However, it's nice as a secondary win condition, because with the current lockdown Thanos shells, Like, you could, you have the, well, I locked him down there and I do have Alioth, I can win with that, but if you need the stat stick and Thanos is sitting in the deck, then Blob just throws up huge points, like, why wouldn't you? And it clears out the entire deck? Perfect.
Cozy Snap:And what people are missing about Thanos is you also don't have to play that way, right? Like, yeah, that's one way to play him, but the thing about Thanos, at his core, This is what Thanos does well. He plays five drops at a ridiculous rate. Okay, you have the Time Stone, you have Psylocke. And so, if you go, and we go to the five drops, and we look at it by power, all of a sudden, this is the deck that I'm gonna be messing with, because you've got some big five cost drops. Now, maybe you don't go Red Skull, but I don't mind throwing in maybe a Dockhawk in there. You can have Arrow for, you know, nine power now, not bad. And all of a sudden, you're starting to get a bit more power kind of cooked up into the deck that you can ramp out dependently. And then, also, on top of that, obviously, you can get the blob going. Heck, you can get Destroy Thanos, and, you know, you obviously, you know, Nimrod, like you said, not big power, but certainly, Death, we love that. Hell, even Destroyer, to a point, if you can make it work. I think there's some interesting things with Thanos, and he's always kind of toted unique builds. This might be the biggest challenge of the most unique one that we're gonna find, and I think, overall, Blob is going to be played as a value card, as an alternate win condition. That's a fun card to play. If you enjoy the card that if you pull, you are going to win some games. Like, done. You've won the game if you get the Blob. I think Blob's for you. If you want the most consistent build out there, not sure. You know, I think that's where people are going to go back and forth.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah. Like if you just basically drew poorly, you're still late in the game. Cause maybe they drew poorly too. And you have some banger cards still in your deck. Blob's a great way just to throw a massive stats. And I love what you're saying here. Like don't necessarily build your entire deck revolving around blob. Use it as a supporting piece in a deck that already functions well to give you a secondary win condition. I think that's the best thing you can do with blob, right? Don't use it as like the linchpin card. Use it as a supporting piece when you need to basically just throw up a stat stick.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, I mean, we just saw that with Shaw, right? Like, yeah, you could do some fun things with him, but like, he, you know, surfers, like, where, you know, where he sh he shined, right? We'll break that down more. But that leads me to the next deck, where I think this is a very nice compliment piece to it, outside of one playline. And I want to know if this playline's enough to not make it work, okay? Because I think a couple people are going to be shouting from the rooftops, alright? They're like, hey, Cozy, Alex, what about our biggest deck in Snap? It's been the most dependable big one out there. It's the Shuri Soron deck. And I think it's fine, because if you think about it, you've already had cards that belong in this deck with ongoing cards. Now, Sorin's gonna neuter but that's a good word for Blob. Blob's gonna get completely destroyed by, by Sorin. He's useless. I think he loses all of his ability at that point, not just his ongoing. Remove the abilities from all ongoing cards. So yeah, he loses everything at that point. Oh my god, Ebony Maw. Right? You have so many good cards in this deck, man, outside of maybe Shuri and Sauron. Those are your two low ones, okay? What you want, you need to pull one of those anyway to win with this deck, right? Like, you're not gonna be winning a Shuri Sauron deck without those pulls, and you have a new design around a Shuri deck. Is that enough to work? Are you playing Taskmaster? Are you playing this at all? You know what?
Alexander Coccia:I in my initial kind of like pen and paper designs, I ultimately ruled out Sauron base decks for the exact reason why you said. It's gonna completely nullify the effect of Blob altogether. It's gonna erase the text because it's ongoing ability. The result there Is that it's, it's a 6 4 and a deck that wants pure stats. And who do you cut for it? Like those decks are so tight. They've been like, like they're, that is like one of the most traditional decks of Marvel Snap right now. We're going on a full year where Shuri Sauron has felt nearly the exact same since December, since the original changes to Shuri in the first place. I don't see where he ever gets cut, because like, I'll always take the She Hulk version of Shuri over a Blob version. Because it allows you to kind of like, skip turns, dodge Shang Chi and stuff like that, be a little creative from that standpoint. But like, I don't see where Blob truly fits in there.
Cozy Snap:I guess if we think about the playlines, this is what I'm trying to think, right? You get your opening cards, right, and let's say you don't get Blob, but in your deck still, you have Tieford and you have Ebony Maw. Okay, and that's 17, which I get, because then, you know, and Blob's in your hand. That's, it's a 17 power play, even if Taskmaster's in there, right, and it's just Tieford and Taskmaster. Okay. 14 power blob? I mean, I don't know. I, that's my thought process. It's like, it gives you an out if you don't get Soran. It gives you an out if if something's a bit awkward of a play line. I want to see it in testing. This is the one that I'm like, I want to see it played out over multiple games and truly if it adds a dimension of Wow, this is actually going to be working more as a deck, and it may, you're right dude, this and Destroy, anytime people try to add cards to these decks, like Black Knight there's a Shuri deck with Black Knight, and it's fun, but it's not better than the Shuri deck on its own.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, and I guess the other concern is, like, when, when do you snap in a blob shuri deck? Like, if you don't draw your pieces, like, you snap Sauron, you snap shuri, like, you're not snapping on wool, I got the blob, and, like, I just, like, I totally get what you're saying, and I think there could be a shell that works, but, like, Sauron has consistently been one of the absolute best cards in Marvel Snap, right? Yeah. So I think that the solution to I didn't draw Sauron or I didn't draw Shuri is you would just retreat. You don't wait for the turn six blob, you just, you just piece out and give them the cube, right? And I think that's probably the best answer.
Cozy Snap:He's definitely one of those cards that's, and this is why I think he works in Hela so well, is like because it's already one of those like win, it's not a win more card, but it kind of is, right? It's already, you get in like this, like, holy smokes! Hela's already like, what's happening? These cards are going everywhere. And when Blob goes to a location with Hela, all of a sudden you have a 34 power in one location. You're just begging the Infinite to go to another one. And then you win, right? Like, at that point Because I don't know about you, but like, you know, Black Cat and Death going into the same location, or like, it's sometimes like Hela, it's so much power, but it's just not played out well, whereas Blob can fix that.
Alexander Coccia:Maybe, I don't know, the kind of like, you know, deck digging, RNG style decks with Lockjaw, Jubilee, I don't think that ever has a role for Blob, because you just destroy yourself so fast, so hard, I don't know. I actually had a point though, and is this actually a low key counter to something like a Black Widow? Keeping value in your deck, right? Black Widow delays the card draw by one and then keeps something in the deck for Blob to kind of Is Blob wearing a bikini?
Cozy Snap:it's more of a one piece, but I think it's it's Well, the bottoms Yo, honestly, with the shadowing, it looks like he's wearing nothing down there, and the O is just doing some big time censorship.
Alexander Coccia:I don't know It just hit me as I was saying that sentence.
Cozy Snap:I think Blob's wearing a bikini. Is Blob naked down low? Or is that a bikini? It's a bikini, for sure. Okay. I had a really good point and now it's gone.
Alexander Coccia:Hold on. Did I derail you with Blob's bikini?
Cozy Snap:Yeah, well, I was, the pictures, the images were going through my head. Ultimately, I think there's a, these are my favorite places for Blob. Okay. If you guys want to know. I want Blob. He's a fun card. I don't blame you. I honestly am gonna get him for the fun factor. Have fun with him. If Darkhawk is ever top of the meta, he's a fantastic Darkhawk counter as a value card. He gets he's like a killmonger in that sense. Who cares what he absorbs? He literally gets rid of the Darkhawk on the opponent's side. That's a win in my book, okay? Number one. Number two, I think ramp is a lot better than we're giving it credit for. I think there's some ramp decks out there, high power ramp decks, that are going to be consistently good and work overall. You don't care if Taskmaster's in there, because you have other ways to get out the big power. Love Blob in that instance. Lastly, I do think Hela, Thanos are going to be your other best bets. Alex, I talked about it last week though. I'm telling you, I'm starting to see creators, I'm starting to see players. Come to the light. Come to the double up side. My god, finally, come on over. Plenty of room. Moongirl decks. I still think the idea of clogging your hand with She Hulks and cards and keeping your hand full with Coulson's and with Nick Fury's. I love this idea. And Devil Dinosaurs. Okay, I don't care if there's a couple low powered cards. Because you're never drawing. You just have your hand full, and then you get the blob, or if you have them in the hand to begin with. You merge the deck and you have a big, big stat line.
Alexander Coccia:I love this because what was going through my head there is first of all, I'm a huge Moongrow believer. I love Moongrow, one of my favorite cards in Marvel Snap. But it's like, how much power do you really need to win the game? Right? Like, how much power do you really need? Like, is Blob getting to 15 enough? Really? Like, that's what, that's what Werewolf by Night does and it seems pretty good for Werewolf by Night. But it's like, so funny to think like, yeah, that kind of deck could easily get blobbed into like the 20s, right? Easily into the 20s. Like, you only need a couple big hits and the card's massive, right? Which actually makes me wonder if Chavez got hit to nerf. A little bit of the ramp blob you were talking about too, right? Because Chavez would have been an easy nine power. So, I mean, there's so much to talk about with blob and I do like the moon girl. I can't wait to see you brew up that deck because I'm always here for a moon girl deck.
Cozy Snap:In short guys, just read the ability, right? I think that we are having some fun saying Hela and Thanos, but just probably he's going to be a decent value card. You don't need a lot. There's three cars on average left in the deck. If they were all three power, that's nine. He's a four. It's 13 power. That's not a bad card, right? So I think overall, he's going to be able to be a lot more flexible than we think. I know we're having fun with the builds today. That's why I have him pretty highly ranked. He's a good Darkhawk counter. He can be plugged in a lot of decks. And then if you want to go the high crazy combo, one card, big power. Maybe even 50 plus power, 70 plus power. We're gonna have to see how high we can truly get Blob. Then this is gonna be the card for you. It's fun to talk to the decks, but ultimately, Blob's just gonna be a good value card. Well, Alex, it's that time. We gotta talk about the patch. This could be a long discussion. And I wanna start out with saying, I didn't think your reaction was what I thought it was gonna be. I thought it was gonna be flippin tables. You know Alex, Mr. Angry Alex. You're so even keeled. Chavez, we talked about this on the Snapchat. You're great links. Long, a long time ago, and it finally happened, and I think, you could call it the biggest one, but you could easily, you could easily say it's the most culture shock we've ever been with like, what, what just happened? We just got a card deleted from the game. It's only happened once before in Spider Man, and, and even that was like, way less than what we're looking at now. America Chavez. They're great. We have lost. We have a lot to break down. Buffs. We have nerfs. We kind of have some flatlines. Let's talk winners and losers. We're gonna get to Chavez, but not quite yet. Let's talk winners first, Alex. Hit me with the winners of the patch so far in your opinion. I've playtested them all. I don't know if you have, but I've got a good idea of who kind of won and lost.
Alexander Coccia:Oh, absolutely. I've been playtesting all of them and one of the big winners for me and like, disproportionate to the others, I think is gonna be Black Knight. I think the change to Ebony Blade is absolutely insane. I think it's massive. I mean, it can't be Shang Chi. Oh, no, it can be. You only have to play Enchantress first and then Shang Chi it. So you have to commit two turns to getting rid of that Ebony Blade. I think the Black Knight change is massive for the card. I think we're just gonna have to brew a little bit to get this deck fired on all cylinders.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, so I released a deck guide. I played a lot of black nights. I was already playing him beforehand. Like, oh, let's make him work. And he just, it wasn't that he was a bad card, he's just like, why aren't you playing dependable dis card? Why aren't you playing hella at that point? Exactly. Even in hella, let me tell you about Ebony Blades. So after playing no joke, 500 games, I feel like I've played a lot of this card. When you get it, it's disgusting. It's one of those cards that if I have Black Knight opening hand, I snap it. It's almost at that point. If you don't get it, it's fine, because you have other win conditions. Just, it's like what we talked about with Blob. You can't go all in. You can't be like, this is how I'm gonna win with this deck. But my god, people don't realize a couple things about Ebony Blade. First of all, guys, it's new ability is it cannot be destroyed, and it cannot have its power reduced. Shadow King, Shang Chi, goodbye. But, what people don't understand, Jotunheim, Death's Domain, they don't affect it. It's crazy. That, to me, to have a Luke Cage, which we'll talk about as a loser, in a card, in armor, in a card, is insane! It's unheard of! There's not a lot of cards in the game that you can play dependently and say, That lane's good. I'm gonna focus on something else. I mean, it's, it's truly awesome, awesome to play. It's a little expensive, still four costs. By far, the biggest winner is the Ebony Blade. And this card needed it. They obviously, as we'll allude to this card needed it. There's a Hela build out there. There's an Apocalypse build. There's a She Hulk build. If you guys want to check those out I've got one over on my channel. I'm sure Alex will have a guide on Black Knight here pretty soon. Black Knight is the winner of the patch. I would say Probably one of the biggest winners. He's right there at the top as the, as the biggest winner. The next one got a nerf, but I gotta say, we can all agree that the next biggest winner is probably Shadowking. And we, we will spoil the loser here. Take a PowerPoint all you want to. Luke Cage. it Was say what you will about Chavez. Luke Cage is, was to me the most Like, what, what the hell just happened, right? Now, I can get behind, I was talking to my brother about this in great lengths, I can get behind what they're trying to do here, but I also don't love it, okay? I think area wide effects, getting rid of that, is probably a good idea. Like, I think ultimately for Snap, you can get carried away with those area wide effects. The fact that they just had this on a season pass card a couple months ago to me, it's like, we have to have a little bit better planning than that, alright? And by a little bit, I mean, come on now. Like, let's, if you, if you want to get rid of that effect, but then, like, two months later, it bothers me. We'll get to Luke Cage, but Shadow King. Can you agree that Shadow King went up overall because of Luke Cage? The biggest counter is gone now?
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, Shadow King's definitely a beneficiary from the change to Luke Cage, and It's kind of interesting, like, I'm really torn about it, because I was always a Luke Cage believer. I always loved the card, I thought it was great. However, having these catch all style effect cards, like what Mobius and Mobius did to cost reduction you know, what obviously Luke Cage does to toxic or debuff based effects, It's just awkward when, like, the entire game state's dictated by a 2 drop. However, at the same time, making it location specific does still provide it with some value for something like in a man thing deck, for instance. But it's like, now it's like, do I really run that two drop just for that one card? So as man thing now, just like a two card package again, and like even now more strict, it's just kind of awkward. You know what I mean?
Cozy Snap:You know how strict it is and how people, if even a power point goes down, that card's gone, right? Stature, whatever it's back now, but you know what I mean? Like that, that card. It disappears, and Luke Cage, you, you not only have a small nerf, but a big one at that. It's hard not to talk about the losers. Maybe we should have started there, but yeah, Shadow King Ive is the winner. The card, you said it in the intro, but I've gotta say, I got a lot of heat over the last month of posting a lot of Ravonna decks. Ravonna was a card that I was pushing non stop to people. I believe I may have been world's first, I don't know, split. I had it the second they gave her the original buff. I love Ravonna. I think Ravonna was a really cool card, and that people were lifting up Zabu, holier than thou, and they forgot that Ravonna doesn't only affect near not as much cards, but more impactful cards at times. We're finally seeing it come to light. The Iron Man, the Mystique, playing both of those on the same turn. Ridiculous. Darka. I could go down a train. I was Warpath and Goblins. I love Ravonna and her getting this. I was like, okay, it'd be like Devil Dinosaur in my eyes getting two power. I was like, great. It's a card I already play an extensive amount and I have the most infinity conquest wins with her. Dude, Ravonna, great win, yeah?
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, oh, huge. Ms. Marvel elevated this card massively. You're thinking, Alex, that doesn't make sense. Well, yes it does, because the Ms. Marvel shells worked so perfectly with Iron Man. So perfectly with Mystique. Why? Because I can put Iron Man in a location, it'll double the Ms. Marvel effect. I can Mystique the Ms. Marvel. Iron Man's dealing with that, Ravonna's come throwing them all out cheap. It's so good. And all the disruption. Now the disruption shell's a little trickier now with Annihilus starting to grow up, cause now you're like, Hey, I'm going to throw over a turn four you know, the hobgoblin. They're like, Hey, guess what I have on turn five. Right. So that shell is kind of being pushed off to the wayside, but the ongoing shell with Ravonna. It's just so good. This might be the most slept on card in Marvel Snap. If you're listening to the Snapchat right now, which, well, you are, because I know you are, because you're listening, but, if you're listening, you gotta try Ravonna. It gives both of our recommendations. This card is being absolutely slept on in the game.
Cozy Snap:I would personally get Ravonna over for several reasons. One, because she's Series 4. I would get Ravonna over Black Knight all day. Ebony Blade. No question. I think that it's ultimately a much better card. I think you, you will be able to use it, and it's cheaper. Both that's my opinion. You know, you could have your own there, but KittyPride is also a winner. Small one at that. We don't have to go into her too much. She got a PowerPoint but Elsa went, you know, down, so, you know, I don't know. Kind of a wash there. I've got a winner that I think people are going to be surprised. After playtesting her enough. Do I think it's the, the buff she should have gotten? No. Do I think, ultimately, I land on it being a buff? Absolutely. I, and I'm surprised I'm saying this, but I really played a lot of Arrow. Bro, I love how she plays now. I absolutely love that it pulls the last card. I cannot tell you how great she is at Disruption now. You can pull Dracula into a Warrior Falls. You can pull Miss Marvel out of the middle location. It's a card now that went from you need priority to who cares, and I love that about her. And she got a power point. People are sleeping on Arrow, even though she's still not insane.
Alexander Coccia:I only had a couple games with her. I didn't dip that much into Arrow, and I felt that the effect was a little more lackluster. But maybe I didn't see those particular examples that you're citing. Right. Like I didn't have a chance to warrior falls of Dracula, which I would have been salivating over honestly. Right. So like like my experience, I'd maybe put like maybe seven games in or something like real relatively low with arrow, but at the end of the day, like I did feel like I kind of missed the old effect a little bit, but I'll take the extra power.
Cozy Snap:So the other thing I like is that with the old effect, you knew exactly the plan you were doing, but like wave already got nerfed, like all the other little, like. Things that you could have done with that old effect were starting to die. And what I like about this is like with the old effect, one of the most common things I did was I put a card where they don't want it. Well, you still do that, right? Like you, you can still do that even without priority. You could fill a lane completely if you pull the last card and they play a new card on that lane. So there's new disruption. It's not perfect. It's not great. I hope they tune her up a little bit more. But I do think she's a winner overall. Mind Stone, we'll be quick on it. I wanted to ask you, do you think overall it's a win or a loss for the drawing a one drop?
Alexander Coccia:I think it draws Nico, right, in those decks, which ain't bad, right? But the thing is, Nico doesn't draw cards. Well, it doesn't always draw cards. Sometimes it does, right? It doesn't always draw cards, which obviously the other stones did for the most part until Soul Stone got destroyed too. Nevermind, I take that back. So yeah, I think it's fine, but I think that the I think it's the Cull Obsidian. Is gonna care about Infinity Stones, and they're probably taking this making this change in order to better prepare for, perhaps, the random generation of Infinity Stones at just in the game in general, so, it probably just had to be done.
Cozy Snap:The winners of Marvel Snap, Alioth, got nerfed. Alioth is not a winner, but the people are. Do you think this had a big enough impact on Alioth? I can tell you the play rate went down a lot. There's been a couple games that I easily did win. He is still played in decks that want priority, but if that's the whole niche you're going for, I think that's okay. Where do we land on Alioth?
Alexander Coccia:I think this is a fair change. I was actually really surprised to see that Alioth got nerfed the way it did. I was actually really surprised to see Alioth get a text and a power change. I was not expecting that at all. I actually didn't expect Alioth to get touched up anyways. But however, I do think the text change makes a lot of sense because I felt it was frustrating. I know getting the unrevealed cards getting destroyed is a really frustrating effect, but for me, it was even worse when I had earned initiative and I still got punished, right? Even though I'd play Dr. Dooms and try to make the most of the Doom bots and stuff like that, it would bother me if I had like a Hulk in a She Naut deck. And that Hulk just got deleted, even though I had initiative the entire game. I do think this is a fair change. It's good to see the play rate go down, because if the play rate goes down, the impact in your ability to gain cubes on Alioth will actually increase, because when you do hold initiative, and you do play that Alioth, it might not be something that people are expecting. So, I do like the change overall. I think that it, destroying unrevealed cards, is a interesting effect for Marvel Snap, and As long as the play rate goes down, I think it's a healthy thing for the game.
Cozy Snap:The two biggest losers is not even Chavez at all. I actually have Luke Cage at the top of that list, followed by Elsa. The Luke Cage, we kind of just dived into it. Of course, I think his play rate goes down a lot. His stats should have been way better if he just has this effect. He should have gone to another cost with his old effect. There's a couple other ways to handle him. I didn't love this. I think this felt bad overall. Elsa though, Alex. This is where it's a slippery Okay and I don't think we're done yet. I think, you know, Ms. Marvel, we could see Loki get adjustments, you know, who knows. I just, we, we gotta be better with the season pass card change because they are direct. You said what you wanted about the value for season passes, I get that. Elsa wasn't even being played last season, man. I was shocked. I was shocked by this change. It's, this one to me was the most like what just happened? Why? Like, I don't, I read the paragraph and then I read it again and I was like, I don't, outside of wanting to get rid of the universal effects, this one I didn't like at all.
Alexander Coccia:No, this was a, I think a huge whiff from a balance standpoint because, first of all, Always it's worth noting that these patch changes are done, like locked in around, like Thanksgiving, I think, I think was the information we were given. So it's like well in advance of the actual patch because of the approval process. So Elsa might've been more relevant there. However, what I will say is that the Elsa, I feel like is a bigger loser than Luke Cage. I still think Luke Cage might see some play in like C3, which I've seen where Vona has something to say about that, but Elsa, I feel like is just borderline unplayable like I tried playing Elsa and obviously they made it. So it's only restricted to one location. It just felt horrible. Even small things like the way the, the way cards resolve into it to get the buff, like a Spider Man won't get the buff now, which is kind of interesting and weird because it fills the location, but it moves so it doesn't resolve in the location, like there's. These weird interactions that, like, I'm not a huge fan of, but I feel like Elsa got completely destroyed.
Cozy Snap:They're trying to make two costs and that is important, and I understand that. That I can get behind. We were in an era of two costs being ridiculous. But at this point, she's a 2 5. You can make her better than that if you have move cards, but you also are committing into one lane, so you're giving away your game plan, right? So, like, it's just an awkward card. It's another one that I think should have moved to another cost, if that's ultimately what you're trying to get done. I don't like it. This one, I do not stand behind. There have been ones in the past I'm like, no, I hated this. And it made sense in the long haul, like Quinjet. Okay, so I Who knows? I'll, I'll stay tuned on that one. But as far as like my opinions on this one, I'm not loving it. I do feel like we definitely killed this card way too early. Especially of a playstyle that was really fun. I really liked how Elsa played in the game Alex. So, definitely a bummer to see. We have one more OTA. Maybe it's not too late. Chavez. So, Chavez buddy we, The, should she have been nerfed, and the effect, I think that's a whole nother conversation too, that we've already talked about to some extent. I'm gonna give you the floor here, and then I'll say my comments on the Chavez.
Alexander Coccia:So my first impression was that I was super disappointed to see Chavez get changed, because I thought that it hit the card pretty hard. But then as I kind of slept on it, I was like, wait a minute, what, what is my actual, what do I want from Marvel Snap? I want Marvel Snap to be the best card game it can be, right? And when you read through what Glenn had said in the patch notes, it's like, you know what, it makes sense. It was a very restrictive card from a deck design perspective. It was a card that like literally just added a percentage chance to draw earlier. And it ultimately pushed more interesting cards out of the meta or out of decks, right? It basically occupied a slot where you could have put another card in to do the thing that Marvel Snap is known for and that's have really cool interactions with your deck. So, while it broke my heart to see one of my absolute favourite cards in the game get knocked out of its original capacity, I do have, I have come to terms with the fact that it does make Marvel Snap a better card game. And it's better for the game as a whole. And, I'll let you talk about this, but I actually think the effect is pretty good. I actually don't think it's a bad card.
Cozy Snap:Oh my gosh, and I heard, yeah, on your update video, what did I reach out, I reached out to you thought, you think Chavis sucks? Like, what? And you're like, yeah, the card's bad. I'm glad you've tested it now. I was a little disappointed, Cozy.
Alexander Coccia:I'm sorry, I got emotional.
Cozy Snap:I get it, dude. I'm actually shocked by your evaluation here, because we had this exact talk. A couple weeks ago, and you couldn't get behind it. I was like, wait, but design would be better for Dex, and you're like, no! But I get it. I get it. Cause if Arrow, like, if you, if I could've had picket signs for Arrow before she got nerfed, which was terrible for the game, probably, I was like, you know, leave her alone! I love Arrow! So I get it. It's hard to separate the heart and the head. What I hate are two things. Number one, Discard? It pains me. It pains me to see what they did to discard. They should have come out with either an additional effect, a new car, something to help that out. They did Black Knight, I get it, but it You have people that have been playing this game for legit since February. Or people that just got MODOK. There are more people than you think that played Dependable. In fact, it's one of the most played archetypes in the game in this Really heard it. The stats aren't bad with this. Chavez actually in there. Funny enough, Chavez has been played in there still. As a decent play with like, Swarm and whatnot. For me, I'm good with the change. I like the effect. If this was a new card effect, I actually love it. I'm like, I would get this card immediately. But if I'm a player playing Marvel Snap, and I come back to the game, and you want to avoid culture shock as much as possible, I think I was most shocked, and it's still I can't adjust my eyes to it. I'm not making her a six drop that does something different. I think they should have kept her at a six drop, because that's the Chavez we know, and it makes sense. Well, now what that is, and you can't do stuff like that. I was like, wait, what if you do like, if you discard a card, Chavez is then the top card. And then you have to have it in, but then if you get her in the opening hand, it makes it worse. But at least you have a way to, that's kind of what I was thinking at, right? Okay, maybe you can have but making her a 2 drop to me felt really weird. I didn't like that at all. If that makes sense, like, the effect's really cool. I love it. I think it's great. I actually think she's a good card for those that haven't played her. She's good. She's a good stat card. But, it makes me sad that she's not a 6 drop. And it's culture shock. It's a lot of culture shock. Overall, I'm sad to see it for Chavez. It makes Marvel Snap a better game. I think in six months from now, we're gonna be like, thank God that's changed. Because I love that I was making a Zabu deck. I love that it's not an auto include anymore. I don't know about you, but it's not! You have new room to experiment, no?
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, you do, but at the same time, I think Zabu decks are now worse because that Chavez has been changed. Like, those cards that you needed to have at certain stages of the game, like, that, I don't care what anyone says, that five percent, I felt it. Like, I a hundred percent felt when Chavez was in a Zabu deck and when it wasn't in a Zabu deck, and so this, this actually kind of Ripples across the meta in a unique way because there are certain cards like even Black Knight Like Black Knight needed Chavez not just because it was a discard card, but you want Black Knight early You want it in your hand early? So like it has this rippling effect that like cannot be slept on it was a huge change.
Cozy Snap:You know what I'm seeing more though and I can get behind this like I get the stats thing man But those I feel like that's for a few thousand people that play super competitively. I know people that just liked Chavez Because their hand sucked, and now they have a play on turn six. Like, that's what I think a lot of people are missing too, you know what I mean? Like, oh man, I don't have nothing here. Oh, I got a nine power card, I can win with this still. You know what I mean? So like, that, I kind of miss that. You know, I'd miss that even. Of like, like, screw the stats sometimes. I miss having Chavez as that final play. You know what I mean? Like, just having her as like a good Thing you can depend on. And now that's gone. So, there's separated cams. I can leave off with this, guys. This is its own metric. Do with it as you will. I've made hundreds of videos on Marvel Snap. Accumulated now. I don't even know my numbers. But I can tell you this. That update video was A, the number one update video as far as view and performance wise. But it was the most likes I have ever gotten on a video in my entire channel history outside of my number one video that has 300 plus thousand views and this only had a third of that. The most likes, the most well received, at least, in that format. I don't know if that speaks to the video, or her, or the update as a whole, but I think the angriest people are always the loudest. You're gonna hear the Yelp reviews are always negative reviews, because it has the hair in the soup. You don't leave a place and say, that was great, I'm gonna leave a review. It's usually when you're upset. That's my thoughts on, kind of, the overall update, if that makes sense.
Alexander Coccia:It does make sense. And on that note definitely leave us a review on the podcast platform of your choice. We do appreciate that. Positive, if you so desire. What I will say though. Yes. Cozy.
Cozy Snap:Did you see the Spotify recaps? For those that did Spotify recaps and tagged us, I saw a couple of you guys, the top 1 percent listeners to the Snapchat. It was really cool to see. I don't know if you saw that.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, it was really awesome. Yeah, I didn't it's, you know what, I'm really so fortunate. Like I consider us so fortunate to have like this wonderful community around us. And like, yeah, I really loved getting those tweets as well. We were tagged in a bunch of them. It was really cool to see that people really like people were watching like thousands and thousands of minutes of the Snapchat, right? Which is pretty cool.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, dude. Absolutely wild. Well, lastly, Alex, that takes us to the new features in the game. We have albums, we have emotes, we have smart decks. We're going to get to the albums. But let's talk about Smart Decks. Are, are they smart, Alex? And I have to say, outside of some funky things happening with the initial data, like right when you, whenever you got the, the game, I am pleasantly surprised that Smart Decks, at the same time, let down. It's like a, it's a both, if that makes sense. It's made building decks extremely fast, like I talked about. I love that. Also, if you go to, like, Phoenix Force, And you click this. If we add this to the deck, we generate the deck right here. It's going to make, literally, the best Phoenix Force deck. This is an insane Phoenix Force deck at the moment. So it is working great in a lot of cases. However, there are some where it's like, it will put in Spider Spider Man 2099 with a move deck with Vision with no way to activate Spider Man 2099, right? Like, there are some awkward things, but overall, man, I'm a, I think this is awesome.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, it's a great feature. A hundred percent. I think that it really helps a lot of players out there. And I think you're right to say that like 90 percent of the time it hits it pretty well, but just that 10%, like it'll do something that just like, you're like, Hey, that doesn't really make much sense. Right? Like actually you just did a high evolutionary shell, right? And this version has. Leech and She Hulk, but like in the past, in my video I had done, it was generating a abomination based deck with like borderline no way to actually activate abomination. And like, you just take abomination out and you add leech and the deck is infinitely better. Like players that don't really know the meta might not pick up on that and might play 30, 40 games of that deck feeding cubes. Like, wait, why is this abomination never actually doing what it's supposed to? Why is it never actually going out cheap? Right? It's only ever discounted by one or two because of psychos, but that's actually not that valuable. And sure enough, it's like, well, that's because the deck is kind of, you know, it was auto generated and it kind of messed up the data a little bit. However, I have been pretty impressed with the results.
Cozy Snap:It's impressive. It legit, this kind of tech is. Really cool to see, and I think it's only gonna get better. Like, a good one is like, Ravonna is, if I had to guess, it's gonna generate Cerebro Ravonna. And, oh dude, it's a negative this time around, thank goodness. It was trying to push Cerebro through Ravonna, which is fine. But it's nowhere near the, actually this is close to my deck that I put out not long ago. It's nowhere as good as Negative Ravonna or the Iron Man Ravonna. So there are some inconsistencies with it. There are easter eggs too, which are really cool. I don't know if you've noticed this, man. The other day, I was like, man, I wonder if there's like a hidden move deck that we just don't know about as a public. So I went over here, and I was like, Dr. Strange, his buff was huge. So I go to Dr. Strange, and when you click autofill, it says, Oh, this one says, Ego's gonna love this deck, but it says, Strange, Salt, Infinite, Opportunity. Like it, sometimes it'll quote sometimes with that, but here's a good example. Doctor Strange, you can try to force it to make a move deck and it'll make you the Phoenix Force deck. So like, which I get, right, but it can let you down a, a little. I think it's a win though. I honestly think I'm impressed overall. It's great.
Alexander Coccia:And what it will have, like we have complete collections, right? So for us, like we're able to evaluate from a standpoint of like, is it actually generating the proper meta lists? Is it actually creating the decks that actually give you the best chance to win? And for the most part, it's pretty good. And you change one or two cards, sometimes only really just one, one card. And like, you got a list that, you know, is highly competitive. I'd be interested to see more feedback from the community in the comments about like, whether or not with their limited collection sizes, if it's producing good results. Because we get to evaluate it from like a collection complete standpoint. Someone at 2000 collection level, I'd be very interested to hear their results thus far.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, like just then I tried to do Iron Lad three times and put him back in the deck. Like I was trying to see, oh, if I don't have Iron Lad, but for me, I can't because I've got all the cards. So Smart decks, great starting point. Really cool, I would suggest if you haven't already, is like, put together combos you like, and then press the button and see what comes out, and at least get an idea of like, oh, these cards can work well together. Cool feature overall. Let's talk about albums, man. Word I always say, al bums, I call al blums, I don't know why. This, I had a tweet on this that I think got a lot of exposure in the sense of, I was disappointed to see the biggest whiff of what albums are. At the end of the day, they're free rewards. I love that. That's great. I think in the future, they're gonna be a lot more, and they're just gonna be accessible. And to my understanding, there's gonna pretty much be albums for all the variants, so they would all make sense in the long run. But opening day, you gotta get people excited! And it was sad to see that they all required new purchases of cards.
Alexander Coccia:I was really disappointed with the albums. I'll be honest with you, very disappointed with the albums. They were touted as a feature, but they weren't really a feature for the players. They're more of a monetization tool for, you know The publisher and developer. Right. So it's like, for me, it was kind of disappointing to see what it ultimately came out as. I'm someone who has spent a lot of money on the game and I'm not even close to finishing any of these. And it's fine to have like something that you can kind of progress through in the end. But like. We literally joked about having a Venomized Baron in, like, these things where, like, you're never going to want to buy this, this variant for 1200 gold, and sure enough, there is literally a Venomized Baron in the collection for Venomized Villains. I don't know. This, this feature was pretty heartbreaking for me. I had high expectations. I just, like, I, listen, call me a whale, whatever you want. I don't, I just don't want to engage with it.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, I wouldn't give up on it yet, though, is my, my thought process. I mean, I went off on them, dude, on a, on a tweet. Like, I thought this was just a bad take. It's as easy as this. They should have done, staying hip is a great example. You need 12 Dan Hips here the ones that they have down, and you get rewards on the side. Great. Make those numbers, 3-6-9-12, way higher. I don't care what you make them, I don't know what the numbers are, but you can have any Dan Hip. Any Dan Hip variant gets that number, and then you get the reward. That, and same as Venomized, and same as Jim Lee, instead of specific ones, that's the easy fix. It's not that complicated. These albums right here are fine as, like, mid tier albums. Like, who cares if Baron Mordo's in there? I think it's fine, right? But there needs to be easier to accomplish ones at that. They need to be either shorter in number, they need to be easier variants to get, and easier like, even in a marketing standpoint, right? It makes no sense. If you want to get players on a feature, you should make an album that's cheap. To get into, and be like, oh, this was cool, I get an emote, and then they're encouraged to get more, or whatever that is, right? But they don't, they just went right here. Launching with three, and specifically these three, was a huge miss. I think if there are 50 Alex, right, and there's all these different rewards, and emotes, and things that you get, and you get credits, and spotlight keys, and all your variants make sense in the long run, Like, yeah, of course they're gonna make money from this. Like, I'm not shocked behind that feature. It's that there's only three. It's these three they picked to launch with. It's very culture shock that this was built up for a while. Does that make sense, right? Like, ultimately, if there's more albums, I think it's a good feature, and I think how it works is fine. But the implementation definitely whiffed.
Alexander Coccia:It's mind blowing to me that there's not like six, and there should be three here which are like pixel ones. Like Pixel X Men, Pixel MCU, Pixel whatever, you're collecting them anyway, and like in these caches or whatever. That would've made way more sense. Cause those are free to play collect like you're able to complete those free to play. It kind of bothers me, honestly. Like, this, like, I don't want to sound negative, but this, this feature kind of rubbed me the wrong way.
Cozy Snap:No, sound negative, though. Sound negative. That's why it popped off on Twitter. I think, overall, it was a miss. Emotes shouldn't be the last slot. They should be, maybe, the second slot to give that out. Collections is about collecting rare pieces. If you have a base set of Pokemon cards, you know it's rare. That's awesome. You have the newest set, you're like, cool, you know, whatever. You need to have rare stuff in there, but you have to have easy to obtain things as well, and that's my ultimate issue with this. Give players ones with emotes. Make it a little bit easier to get these. And really, just the easy fix I said is don't make specific variants. Make it towards any 12 and then have bigger thresholds. That solves the problem. Then you're not forcing certain variants on people. And even if you are for the whales, it's not even nice because you go here, and I can't even click on one of these. You can't see it on the screen. But I can't even say buy this variant. I have to hope it shows up in my shop. It's like a weird That all didn't land.
Alexander Coccia:I agree. I agree. Like it's at the end of the day, it's nice to have additional things in here, but like if, you know, I would just have hoped for more, like at the end of the day, it's like they have limited development time and there's limited development resources and it kind of just breaks my heart that those resources went to this.
Cozy Snap:Let us know what you guys think. I know it's very divisive and I think Alex and I both land on the player side here. So, definitely Second Dinner. We hope they get our feedback. They already got mine. I definitely let them have it on Discord and everywhere I could.
Alexander Coccia:Cozy, we got Sebastian Shaw this week, a card that was going to rejuvenate some of my absolute favorite archetypes in Marvel Snap. How has your experience been with Sebastian Shaw?
Cozy Snap:Shaw, man, is such a fun one to talk about today. Cause I feel like as a card, he's what I love in season pass cards. In comparison, he's bad. And it stinks that we've gotten to that point almost with Loki and Ms. Marvel and then what was Elsa, right? What I can say is he's probably nerf proof. Like, he's not gonna get nerfed, and I think that's a good thing. But he takes me back to the days of, like, Black Panther and Miles Morales coming out, right? Like, a card that super boosts one archetype. Which honestly, I kind of like more than just like a catch all catch all, we see it all the time card. Because then it rewards like certain players, you don't feel like you're FOMO all the time. So, on that front, I love it. On the other front, because by comparison, Oh boy, does he fall flat in comparison. He's definitely a pretty one dimensional card in a lot of ways. But very good at that one dimensional thing. You know, he's like a, he's a well trained machine in one archetype, maybe two. He's been fun. He's definitely fun, too. I don't know, you know, about you.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, this has been one of the most fair season pass releases we've had in some time. Where, in relevance to like, it's actual meta impact, Sebastian Shaw looks like it's not going to be the one that propagates through everything, completely ruining the meta like Loki did, for instance. It's definitely doesn't have the power ceiling of Ms. Marvel. I thought Ms. Marvel just generally was being slotted into more different decks. In the original launch, Elsa felt like it was in every single archetype. Sebastian Shaw has definitely found it's place. And feels very fair, but is also I think of an excellent card in that archetype. So I'll let you lead us off Koji, where have you been playing him?
Cozy Snap:Yeah, I mean, Surfer, I tried him in everything I did. I think he has a fun place in negative. I had a couple of fun cards with like the Wakandans and Black Panther. Ultimately though, it's Surfer, and it's what Surfer needed at that. Surfer's great at going wide, it's not amazing at going tall. You had ways like Gladiator and Maximus, I didn't love those playstyles. And now you have a way to win a tall lane, which is very important. And, you're not doing anything out of the way. You're just playing him, and then you're good to go, right? Like Thor, even, if you compare him to Thor, Thor gets a little bit more power initially, but he's screwing up your draw. Whereas Sebastian, you just play down. And you're getting that power. He's just a good card, good stats, and he gets to some nutty numbers. Especially with things like Forge able to get him up reliably. The Killmonger Nova combo, right? There's a lot of ways to get him up. Just Surfer. Just playing down him and Surfer can be enough to get a nice little vertical boost and the wide boost at the same time. So I love him in the Surfer builds. I think I went Patriot Surfer because everybody else was doing the more common one. And I think I found a pretty good Patron Surfer deck. I looked at the numbers after my video. It's got 4, 000 games played, 56 percent win rate. Love to see that over the long haul. Because it made sense! You have Brood. You have these Surfer cards that want these extra power. Why not throw in Shaw into that build? It felt pretty good.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, the Wakanda version of the Surfer deck I thought was actually pretty cool. It's interesting to see that when you have a card that really disproportionately benefits from both Nakia and Okoye, they feel like decent inclusions. One of the things I really liked about Sebastian Shaw was the idea that, like, I was actually experimenting him with Absorbing Man in the deck as well. So I could actually do something like Nakia and Absorbing Man. And what's interesting about that is that Sebastian Shaw does not have to be on the board in order to generate value. He's getting that value in your hand and he becomes a very significant play on turn six where like suddenly I can play Sebastian Shaw Maximus Surfer and that is an insane amount of vertical power. That's incredible, right? So I really like the idea of how like Sebastian Shaw has that versatility of being buffed both on the board, in the deck and in your hand.
Cozy Snap:I wish there's more cards like that, because what it does is, let's take Werewolf by night, right? Obviously, he's the crazy, great 3 cost card, you know, suppressed. He survived, by the way. I don't know how we didn't talk about that on my side. The OTA in the, in the, in the balance patch. But you have to play him on 3, or at least, like, as soon as you get him, almost. Whereas Shaw, I don't know about you, it's like, it almost, like, by instinct, it was like, Oh, I have Shaw, I should play him now, but I have Nakia. Wait, I should just build him up. And what's cool about that is it allows cards like Negasonic to work. Because you can build up over the course of the match. Turn 5, you play Shaw on a big lane. You get that big power boost if you don't have Sarah or whatever. And then you have initiative. And then you can play Negasonic Surfer. You're good to go. Shaw felt like it made And Sarah's very important, don't get me wrong. All the best decks have her in there. But it made her feel less important because you now have a way Of getting two threes out that have significant value. Whereas Brood and Surfer was like, kind of the only way you could get that in the past, maybe a tech card in Surfer. So I agree there, bud. I think Shaw is a W. I really like him. And, and, and ultimately, if you're a Surfer fan Get the card. If you're not, I think you can pass him.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, I found him lackluster in other decks, I'll be honest with you. I did do some experimentation in other decks, and it felt like you were just forcing him in a way where I'm like, you know what? It's just better if the Shuri deck does not have Sebastian Shaw in it, you know what I mean? And that's kind of what I came to the conclusion of. But with Surfer, I felt like he was a very natural inclusion. But what I found too, was that playing like a 5 6 Sarah, when things went really well, when Akoi and Nakia both hit that Sarah were actually kind of interesting. There were a lot of moments where like cards that often felt a little undertuned were starting to put up actual serious vertical power. Where putting a 5 6 Sarah into a location actually matters because that's 6 power.
Cozy Snap:Yeah. And it's funny because I think that's his biggest problem with versatility. Okoye got certainly a lot better. Nakia got better. There's still bad cards, so it's interesting, like, Okoye makes Shaw great, and it's a, and I agree, having Brood with that one extra power, and Shaw, and even the Surf, right, like, it kind of starts getting really good. However, ultimately, we need more cards that give power that are universal metacards, right? So Firestar did not come out. I think Firestar is the universal card that will make Shaw great in any deck. Like, Firestar gives her power and boost it. To the cards played the turn before is what she used to do. There's a million new deck molds out of that. You can put all the, and Shaw will certainly be in most of those, in my opinion. Because you can just get that big boost no matter what. Because the value as a three drop is almost there most of the time, right? So yeah, Shaw for me, I think we gave him, I think four stars is what we gave him. I think he's a five star surfer card, a three star. No, not even, probably two and a half outside of Surfer, but he's very, very, he's fun and good.
Alexander Coccia:I actually, I think that's exactly what we said last week. He's going to be a five star staple card in Surfer, everywhere else, like, probably three star potential ish, and I think that does ring true, and I do agree that he definitely is an absolutely incredible Surfer card. An interesting point of conversation about this card is, I was often, people were often comparing it to Werewolf by Night. I do think that Werewolf by Night is ultimately stronger across different shells right now, specifically with the bounce meta being what it is. But I'll ask you this. How does it compare in your eyes to something like a Daken? Daken and Sebastian Shaw were often being played in similar decks. I'd be interested in hearing your experience.
Cozy Snap:The problem with Daken is I like, I've always liked Daken. The reason he's awkward is because in surfer, and you know this better than anybody, you people, I don't think casual surfer players know and understand this, your energy points and your, your dedication of what gets played each turn is one of the most important decks to do that correctly. And so that shard, even though it synergizes with Killmonger, on paper, when you're drawing up a deck, Daken seems like, oh, this is like, why would you not want that extra power? It makes sense. And there are builds that work. I'm not gonna lie. It works out. But it can feel extremely awkward trying to get that shard out on some turns. 5, you don't want it because you have Seraph. 4 is your best case scenario, but then you're playing Daken on 3 and you kind of have to have the stars aligned to make him work. Does that make sense? And so it can feel It's the tightest of lists, and it feels like he didn't make my ultimate cuts, to be honest.
Alexander Coccia:What you're describing is the exact reason why I cut Dokkan out, and even while I was streaming, people were like, Alex, why don't you have Dokkan in this deck? I'm like, well, cause you have to play that shard on turn 4, which means you have to play Dokkan on turn 3, which means you're not playing Nakia on turn 3. If you don't do it that way, then you gotta play it on turn 5. If you don't play it on turn 5, you're basically screwing up your Serra play on turn 5. And then on turn 6, if you don't have multiple 2 drops, You want to play three, three drops. So it's like, what happens with that shard? The shard just never ends up hitting the field. And if you're holding a Nova too, Sebastian Shaw benefits Nova. So it's like, it got really hard from like a mana, mana management perspective, which is exactly what you just said. And ultimately I feel like Sebastian Shaw. is a better card than Dawken. I really do. Dawken is going to be better in discard and maybe discard, you know, it was going to need some, some love with the changes that have happened to America Chavez. But overall, I think that Sebastian Shaw is definitely a stronger card.
Cozy Snap:There's cards coming out in February that you're going to love. And there's one in particular that is coming out. That's a three drop and has discard synergy that gets rid of, I think, two cards, something like that. Regardless. And I say that it's going to make a new type of surfer deck in the future because I got to tell you I actually was loving Gambit with Dawken in the surfer deck. It was starting to kind of get some things working because I was discarding the Shard as my last card instead of dedicating other things to it, right? I did love that. Here's the issue with Shaw, though. I also, like, I love Killmonger and Nova. But I was like, man, that Nova taking up a whole spot felt a lot worse with, like, Werewolf by night. You know what I mean? Like, I was like, oh, it helps out, but if you don't get Shaw, do I want that ultimately? Surfer is the list with infinite possibilities, but one of the tightest ones at that, right? And that's why I'm so excited to talk about top 10 Surfer cards. Because we're going to talk about not only, like, Not Surfer, but we're going to talk about the other cards around Surfer that are the most important in your Surfer decks.
Alexander Coccia:Oh, I agree, absolutely, and we can start right there. Like I think that, like, obviously this is going to be a month of Silver Surfer. I think that Sebastian Shaw is definitely shining a spotlight directly on Silver Surfer, which is great. So Silver Surfer, Top 10. Now Cozy, I'll give you the floor for some honourable mentions. We like to do this, we do a pretty tight Top 10 list. So Cozy, is there anything that are just outside that you think are worth mentioning?
Cozy Snap:So this was tough, because Surfer comes with a bunch of combo pieces, okay? So like If you leave one out, you leave them both out. And that's where I had a struggle of like, what to put in, what to leave out. I have one thing that if you see it, you probably know the other one's in there maybe. But in general, the ones that I left out are ones that I play more than others because they're unexpecting. So for me, Jean Grey was left out the top 10, but I think she's great. I think Jean Grey Brood is an amazing 1 2, and then you can do things in other lanes. But I left Jean Grey out. Don't know about you, but that was a, that was a tougher one for myself. Don't even know if I would put this in the top 10. Patriot was left out because he's just a compliment to the Patriot Surfer decks. He's not exactly Imperative compared to some of the other cards in there. And probably the most like, wow, can't believe it got left out. I had to pick one. I did leave out Polaris, which is crazy to me. I think there's kind of a camp on one or the other. But this was the one that will be the most shocking that I left out in surfer builds. What about you?
Alexander Coccia:For me, the ones that I left out that were kind of shocking to me were, first of all, Gladiator and Daken. Those are two cards that do find themselves in surfer lists, and I'm still going to be experimenting with Gladiator with Nikia and Okoye. Listen, you're laughing, but, listen, if it's a 9, it's actually pretty good.
Cozy Snap:I thought it was going to be in your top 10 for sure, like, I thought you were going to like, double down, like Gladiator.
Alexander Coccia:No, no, no, I'm not that inebriated today, but I will tell you that I do think that with Okoye and with Nikia, it has been performing better in those decks and I'm still working on a little bit of a brew. Maybe I'll catch you by surprise with a guide that has Gladiator in it, unironically. But also, a key, it's the inexpensive cards I want to shout out here. I did not include Forge or Nova at one drop. And I do think Forge and Nova are great because Forge is excellent with Sebastian Shaw and Brood of course. And I wonder if it's going to slide into Cozy's. But finally, I gotta say, I'm gonna start with my number 10, and this was the one that ultimately cut Nova and Forge. It's gonna be a bit of a hot take, Cozy, and tell me if I'm wrong, but I want to give some special shout out to Goose as a Silver Surfer card. It is a remarkable two drop for Silver Surfer. You can slide in there all you want and it's often incredibly restrictive to your opponents. I think that Goose is a slept on Silver Surfer card.
Cozy Snap:For me, it's number 10. I like it. Yeah, it was not in mind. I definitely passed my, my thought process. I think Ultimately, the thing I love about Goose is it feels like Jeff in the sense of, outside of turn six, you can play it. Because you're able to restrict at any point. Love that. You're able to stop Gnolls. You're able to stop a lot of cards. At that, the problem with it is some of those decks, like, you can stop Infinite. You can't stop She Hulk. You can stop Gnoll. You can't stop Death. So there's some awkward stuff happening sometimes with Goose, I think. But, I do love Goose. I don't play Goose in my surfer decks these days, but I do think it's a respectable card to have in the top ten. And mine was another not 3 cost, and that was Forge. I will never build a Surfer deck without Forge. Because every card now wants it. And with Shaw, you double down on it. I think Forge could even go higher on this list. Brood Forge? Brood Shaw? Brood, er Forge, Werewolf by Night? Am I missing it? Like, right?
Alexander Coccia:No, you're right. All my most recent decks have been using Forge. And that's why I kind of felt bad leaving them off. But, there was nothing else that I wanted to cut in my top ten. And I felt like Forge felt cuttable for the most part. But the new era of Silver Surfer might see him rising, I do agree 100%. Cozy. Who do you have at number nine?
Cozy Snap:So I was trying to think over, like, a large amount of games, and even though I think this is one of the most disres I think this is the most slept on card in Snap. I try to think of the actual conditions of when I win, and what happens in the courses of different games, and how much I put him in the deck overall. This is where I do have Juggernaut. I think Juggernaut could go much higher than this. Because he's won me games, he does have a random element factor behind him. This is where I do have him as a card. I think he's great. He's not the top, top of my list. Juggernaut at number 9.
Alexander Coccia:I think you're disrespecting him just a little bit. We'll talk about Juggernaut shortly because I do think that he's an excellent surfer card. And I'm actually surprised you don't have him higher.
Cozy Snap:I had him at 4. I had him at 4 and he dropped all the way to 9 as I was playing. Putting in other cards. Yeah. Yeah. Kind of crazy.
Alexander Coccia:That's kind of crazy. Yeah. Four is closer to maybe where I have compared, but for number nine, for me, it's actually the card you just talked about with regards to being an honorable mention. That's Polaris for me. Polaris at number nine for me, I think it's, it's been a great card. Whenever you really need to do some disruption, I really like it. I like when someone plays an armor on top of my Nova and I take that armor and I move it out of the way for my Nova. Right. I really like that. When you're against destroying, they drop that Deadpool and you slide it out of the way and they. Missed their carnage play. It's really something that I enjoy seeing as well. I think the Polaris is a card that like, it might not be the sexiest card in Silver Surfer, but it definitely does work.
Cozy Snap:All right. Kick you kick us off. Now go back to back. What do you got at the number eight?
Alexander Coccia:Number eight is okay. I'm gonna get roasted for this. But this is where I put Werewolf by Night. I know it's low, and Kozy already gave me that look. Alex, really? Number 8? I'll tell you why, though. Because I'm cutting Werewolf by Night in a lot of my most recent decks. There's just not enough space. I think it's either Werewolf by Night or Brood. I'm still not sold on putting them together. And so I'm taking Brood over Werewolf by Night.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, that's a take. I you know, here's my thing with Werewolf, dude. It's if you just play him down, and you play any other Honor of Eel, Surfer card, which is like eight of the ten of the twelve, he becomes a 3 5, and then you hit surfer on him. Wait a second. He goes again, and he's also, I, for me, I think we try to make werewolf like he is in other decks. In this deck, he doesn't need to do much. He's, he gets the value that you need out of him. He can be a little awkward, I, sure, but I think that yeah, well, I'll get to werewolf more, but yeah, okay. I like the take. Juggernaut went down for me because there's other cards that are starting to do his role. People think of all the time of doing storm, And the Juggernaut, for me, I feel like the change to movement of unrevealed cards made Spider Man kind of take his role in some regard. Spider Man here is at number 8 for me, as just obviously a very, very good card. But now, you're storming a lane typically they don't have any cards on, and then you would Juggernaut. But you're already going to build that lane up with Surfer later, and so Spider Man takes a card from there if they had one, and if they don't He's just good power. He's a five, you know drop at that. You can play Spider Man into another lane and go into the Storm lane. I just think he's such a solid power card with a good ability to boot.
Alexander Coccia:I actually really thought that the change to Spider Man completely neuters his impact in Surfer. Like, what you just alluded to was, was what took him off my list. He's not in my top ten at all. And because his original iteration where he would pull an unrevealed card, I think was way better for Storm than what he does now. Yeah. And so, for me Like Spider, Spider Man gets cut and Juggernaut comes in, so that's why, like, it's literally what you just said, it's the inverse. I increased Juggernaut's ranking because of the changes to Spider Man, because I think it negatively impacted Silver Surfer specifically. Obviously, he's still good in like, Silky Smooth and everything else. He's still a great card, right? Like, make no mistake. But in Surfer specifically, I'm a little low on Spider Man.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, that's a great point. I worded it poorly. I didn't mean he takes Juggernaut's role in Storm Lane. More as The way that he plays out, I love being able to take what they thought a devil dinosaur lane was, winning a lane, and put it into my brood lane. If you plan out, you have to plan him out a lot more now, of making sure either a lane is full, and then you know where he's gonna go a bit more dependably. Juggernaut, again, could be higher, maybe whiffed on that. Spider Man here is at number 8. Number 7 is where I have Negasonic. Now, Nekasonic, oof. It's a, it's a, it's a, it's a tough card than people think. She is incredible, but if you don't have priority, she's not, right? So, at times, she's not. She can feel awkward. Shaw fixes a lot of that with her, I felt like. The way that she's able to work in Surfer, she wins you games. She can just win you games these days. I think Negasonic is an absolute home run hit of a 3 cost card.
Alexander Coccia:I am so disappointed that it's you that brought up Negasonic and not me. She didn't make my top 10, Cozy. And like, I feel like it was, what, a couple snapchats ago, I was pumping Negasonic. I was literally pumping Negasonic. Wait, she didn't make your top 10? She didn't make your top 10? No, she didn't make it. Oh no? Because like She just felt so awkward on turn six sometimes when you don't have initiative and she's the top deck. It's like, oh no I really needed Maximus or I really needed whatever, right? But my gladiator base initiative decks love Negasonic but with Okoye and Niki doing what they're doing Maybe I could sneak Negasonic back in. I'm working on a brew. Okay, but she didn't make my top ten I'm actually kind of sad.
Cozy Snap:Dude, with Shaw, try her now because she gets that initiative a lot easier Like I find her getting initiative way easier than she used to even with this Ironlad buildos, oh, it was fantastic. But yeah, Negasonic, alright, what was your number 7?
Alexander Coccia:Number 7 for me was Serah. That's where Serah came in at number 7. I think that, obviously, it's not a Silver Surfer card, it doesn't get hit by Silver Surfer, but Serah's impact is immense. Now, I've tried some different versions of these decks, where I'm playing something else. I'm playing a Legion in the 5 slot. I'm playing other stuff, and at the end of the day, I'm like I kinda just want Sera. What Sera does on turn 5 for me, especially when it's being buffed by Akoya and Akiya, it's coming out with a little more strength and it just gives me that extra optionality on turn 6 where I can play my Surfer, plus my Killmonger, plus the power I need to close out a location, right? I just love Sarah, and number seven, I think that she's a staple in Surfer.
Cozy Snap:I have more on her later, yeah, I think we're both gonna get roasted, because I hate that Sarah is that low, like I can't even process it. But, I'll take us to six, I'll take us to six. And again, man, all these are starting to get really hard. I, listen, there's effects, and what I, you know Think they're gonna do, and then what things actually happen within the game. Number six is going to be Storm. This is kind of, it surprised me. I was watching a lot of the top metadex in the, the first, like, day or two of Shawn. Storm wasn't really in them, which was like, wait, why? Storm is like the bread and butter surfer, man. Like, there's nothing better to not only close a location now, but then you can also boost it up later on with the surfer. So you just guarantee yourself. Most of the time, an easy lane to win, and then you just need to win one more, which, it could be the Brood lane, it could be several. Which is why I jug it on a bit lower, too. Like, you could play Brood, like, right after Storm, and that is just, like, that, you win in that lane, right? So, like, I felt like there's other cards you could play there as well. But Storm is iconic in Surfer, and truly a staple in most of them.
Alexander Coccia:I absolutely love Storm. I, you know what, I love the card, it's one of my absolute favourite in the build, and I'll be honest with you. Location correction is often slept on in Marvel Snap. Like, not only is it the lockdown component, but being able to actually, like, correct locations which could be problematic is remarkable for Storm. I mean, the only problem is it doesn't, what's the one that not Minotri's Lab, what's the one where you can't play the three drops in? One, two, or three drops? In terms of Cosmos. Crimson Cosmos, you can't actually place Storm into Crimson Cosmos to fix Crimson Cosmos, that's the only real sad one. But outside of that, I absolutely love Storm and it's ever so slightly higher. on my list. At number six, this is where I do put Juggernaut. Juggernaut comes in at six for me because for everything that we said prior, I think that it's immensely disruptive. I think that it has potential on turn six to be pretty disruptive as well. Although sometimes it can be tricky on turn six because you don't want to pump them into your stormed location where you have the wind already locked down. But I do think that Juggernaut played on in conjunction with Storm is a just tried tested and true combination that allows you to confidently lock down a location in Marvel Snap.
Cozy Snap:I think with Juggernaut, the only thing is, like, I don't know about you, but when he's the only play line I can, like, do at, like, two and three four, I'm like if I miss, I'm screwed, you know? Like, I feel like I lose so much momentum with him at times. But we think of the good times. So the six and the, and the storm follow up are his best slots, for sure. Number five, this is where, and this is obviously where we're gonna start to really deviate from one another. This is where I have Werewolf by Night and Surfer builds. I think, yeah, obviously Werewolf is Yeah, just, he's a king, man. He's insane. He's really good in surfer builds. He gets 3 5. He can get up that to 3 7. He can pop that up to way past that. People are starting finally to come to their senses. I've been trying to talk to them. I think Brood and Werewolf work together. It's a little clunky, but again, if you're not trying to get Werewolf to the top craziest stats, it's fine. And at some times, you don't even want Like, Brood has his own lane you want to win, so finish that off with Surfer. You don't want him to come over there, you want him to stay where he's at. So, sometimes you don't care if he doesn't jump ship, you just have to plan it out. A high IQ card in Surfer, even higher in Surfer than in his catch all decks. Werewolf by night definitely is gonna be there at my pie slot.
Alexander Coccia:I respect it. Like, maybe I am a little low on Werewolf by night, but I have been of the feeling that, like, him and Brood feel a little mutually exclusive. And, but you're, you're, you're just really settling this down here. You're like, no, they're not mutually exclusive. They should be in the same decks. You're really going in on this?
Cozy Snap:Not all the time, but I think that deck, it was working when I played it. And it was something that got, you know, That was kind of kicking. The two to three, not three, cost cards that you have in a surfer deck are on reveal a good chunk of the time, and so you just build them up, dependably often. And so, like, Forge it can work so pre You play Werewolf, you play Forge, then the next turn you play Brood. Sign me up!
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, okay. I respect it. Maybe I'm sleeping on Werewolf by Night ever so slightly. Well, obviously, in every other deck, he's absolutely insane. S tier card, right? Number five, Cozy, this is where I have Storm, for all the reasons why we discussed prior. Storm's just a location correction card that also allows you to lock down a location. And it's in Surfer. It's such a natural fit for the exact reason why we mentioned prior, which is that you can buff those locations afterward. Number four, Cozy Now, I'm, I'm kind of nervous here because I think you might roast my 4, but this is a card that I simply can't take out of the surfer list. I don't care how negative the effect is. For me, it's Maximus. It's the stat stick. Yeah, it's that high for me. Maximus, the stat stick of surfer at number 4. I feel like I win games because people don't respect the amount of power Maximus puts out. I often play him on turn 6. If I'm going to be playing Maximus earlier, I often do combo him with a Cosmo, which I sometimes splash into my decks. But at turn 6, Maximus That's an incredibly vertical play.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, I don't play Maximus Surfer, but what I will say is that I love your brood, which they're going to avoid that lane and Maximus can win by himself. Another lane, you know, and that's, you know, a three, nine at the least is, is kind of crazy. So I don't hate it. I think it's high you know, for me personally, but all right. Good to see at number four. This is where I'm shocked. This is where I have Sarah, man. I, Sarah. There is no surfer deck without Sarah. Having the three hit of the three costs is insane. It is what wins you the game. You get a whole nother play line. You get a whole nother stat stick on there. A whole nother ability. This is what wins you games. You can win now without her on five, but you're gonna win a lot more on five with her. There is nothing more intimidating. I don't care what deck you're playing with. Going against a Saron 5 on a Surfer deck, because they have infinite possibilities to screw you. The Rogues, which is left off my list. The X amount of tech cards, Cosmo. And the Maximus, right? Maximus surfer is, it's nice, it's nice. Maximus brute surfer is ridiculous, right? Like the it you get ridiculous With Sarah, she could be way higher. I reserved the top three spots as my favorite three cast cards. But she is there at number four. Number three.
Alexander Coccia:Number three. I mean, I'm gonna have to say we must have the same top three.
Cozy Snap:I don't know what the order is. Three different order. Yeah. That's what I think.
Alexander Coccia:For me, I go. Skillmonger, that's number three.
Cozy Snap:That was my three. That's my three. 100%. We don't have to go into it too Yeah, number three, Killmonger, we know why. Number two?
Alexander Coccia:I put Sebastian Shaw too.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, so I was going back and forth between Brood, obviously, and Shaw, right? Brood and Shaw are the one and two. Ultimately, Brood will always be the number one card in Surfer, always. We did it though. Yeah, we did it. We got it in the same top three, because it makes sense. Shaw is the vertical, Brood is in one lane, but my My god, is it just such an easy card to play on at any time. They both have that. It's tough, I still go back and forth, cause Shaw gets two stupid numbers as well. But ultimately, Shaw's one card, Brood is three. You can have Brood played into Death's Domain. You can have Brood played That That's what really does it for Brood for me. Not exactly, just that he I think Shaw's just as good of a card. But you get three. You get three of them! That's where Brood is always the number one.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, so we'll talk about all three cards, but with Brood specifically, one of the reasons why I love Brood is like, you get value from Raft, right? How often do you see the Raft and you got the Brood and you're able to snap? That's fantastic! White Hot Room.
Cozy Snap:What a great feeling. White Hot Room. There's multiple locations where you can fill it up.
Alexander Coccia:Muir Island, too. Like, it just generates a disproportionate amount of value. Like, there's so many times. Yeah. Oh, a hundred percent. And you know what? You were right to also say, like, when you have locations like Luke's Bar, Desto Main, like, Brute sticks the landing. Like, it is an incredibly versatile card that honestly is by far, I think, the best in Silver Surfer. So that's why, like. When I say, sometimes I feel like I have to pick between something like a Werewolf by Night, who ultimately in Marvel Snaps a better card. But for Surfer, it's like, I can't cut Brood, it never, I'm never able to cut Brood. It's just too good.
Cozy Snap:Yep, that was an easy 1, 2, and 3. I feel like my 1, 2, 3, 4 is how you win Surfer. Brood, you have Shaw, you have Killmonger, and you have Sarah. I think Killmonger is I've left out plenty of times. The flip of what he does is just too good. I don't love that you have to play Nova almost when you have him. And I hate Nova, but I love him. I hate him, but I love him. Why do I love him? Because Brood. You get three hits on it too, right? So it's just so much exponential power happening at the same time. Shaw, Brood, Killmonger, Nova popped off together is going to win you the game. Right?
Alexander Coccia:So. That's, that is what Silver Surfer does. It's those three cards that win the game. And I laugh. I see Nebula sitting there unprotected. I'm like, I'm playing Surfer. You must realize I'm playing Surfer. You know. I'm going to absolutely munch that, that Nebula for lunch with the Killmonger. Like it's always going to happen. And I know we had this conversation a while ago where I know you were, you weren't hot on Nova and you didn't want to include Nova, but you would still include Killmonger in the deck anyway. For me, I think that Nova, like it's just, it's a combination play that's just way too valuable. Nova, Killmonger, they go together like like, like cheese and macaroni, right? Like they're just way too good. So I'm actually really happy we hit the same top three considering we had some disagreements. with Werewolf by Night, and Sarah as well. Although, like, listen, I don't, I don't think I did Sarah dirty for what it's worth. Seven's still pretty high in a surfer deck.
Cozy Snap:But Sarah wins you the game. Like she win on Fi, she wins it, I feel like. No? Like, I That is THE card. When I don't get Sarah, I'm like, darn. I can win, I think, but darn. When I get Sarah, it's like, we're we're we're good boys. We're good to go, right? Which is like, the issue I was running into with Surfer all the time was, I was doing too many ability cards and not just good cards, right? Like Maximus, that's why it's a good point. Because if you play Sarah down, but then you don't have, like, true game changers, that's why you can't do, like, Negasonic and Jean Grey all the time. It's a great combo, but it's like, you can get screwed with that combo. Whereas if you have Sarah, and you just have Shaw, Maximus, Brood, Killmonger, you're like, GG, you know? Or Polaris, Spider Man, that's where Surfer, at its core, puts up big power. And that's what I love about it.
Alexander Coccia:You forgot about Gladiator. You didn't mention Gladiator.
Cozy Snap:Why not? Oh yeah. The Gladiator card. Yeah. Dude, I've seeing Gladiator come out and they were like doing free quis and Quis for me, and I'm like, thank, thank you. I didn't wanna play that card anyway. Gladiator man. What a card. We have the mailbag. Lastly, buddy, and I love the questions we've been getting into the mailbag. Mail time, mail time. I have not seen any of these questions. What do we got?
Alexander Coccia:Question number one is from Neon Dion, and it's, it goes just like this. Much like Alex, I've always been a big fan of Ronin. Do you think that he is one or two cards away from being good? Or do you think that he'll need a rework entirely in order to be relevant? Keep up the good content as always, guys.
Cozy Snap:The latter, I think he needs a rework. I don't think cards fix him all that much. Cause even if they do cards that do stuff to the hand, it's still something you can't control. I feel like Ronin needs love outside of
Alexander Coccia:that. Yeah, fair enough. Like I've, listen, I've always liked Ronin. I've actually tried to like Take Ronin to a, I took Ronin to a tournament once. Like I've, I've tried to do Ronin things and it's a very difficult balance. Now people might not realize this, but there was one point in time just before the official launch of the game where Ronin actually was getting plus three per card, and it was actually one of the most broken cards in the game. And they had to nerf it back down. So it's, it's like tricky with Ronin. What do you do? Do you buff the actual stat stick Ronin, or do you buff the cards that like. Make them a four cost. Four cost? Do you think dropping a four?
Cozy Snap:Well, hear me out because Darkhawk is a card that is you know, let's, let's call what it is. Ten powers and it is a sensational four cost card. That's usually what is the nut, right? Yeah, the bad thing coming down, but you get something really good. Darkhawk can get past that. If you dedicate to it, Ronan would be the same. And then you have Zabu to help it out even more. It would almost be just like Darkhawk in a lot of ways, right? They don't work the same together, so you can't put them both together in decks. I think he should be Darkhawk in a sense, but at four, I like him there.
Alexander Coccia:Interesting, so I really like how your mind's working here, because a lot of people would find Ronin to be analogous to Devil Dinosaur. You're saying break those two's bond, and make it analogous to Darkhawk instead. That's really, that's really fascinating. I did not expect that take! Eh. It would be pretty good, because you still have like, you still have Master Mold, you have, you know, you do have Crystal and stuff, and I mean, that's the problem though, it's like, these are the cards you're playing, you're playing terrible cards for Ronin, you're playing Baron, you're playing Master Mold, like, maybe it's an attack vector of both sides, like, if Master Mold and Baron are better, then Ronin by default gets better, because like, what makes Darkhawk so good right now is not just the stat side, but it's the Black Widow, it's the Korg Rock slide, it's everything else happening around the edges, So, like, I think you can take a two pronged approach here, but I really like your idea of making a 4 that's actually kind of interesting.
Cozy Snap:It'd be fun with lower stats. We'll have to see, man. What is our next question?
Alexander Coccia:The next question is from BossMonster and it reads, I'm going to lose it if they ever add Generation X to Snap. What character or group would you both want added to the game the most? And what would the cards do?
Cozy Snap:Well, mine is spoiled because it's coming out. I'm a big fan of the Black Order. Thanos henchmen, Thanos generals. That was one. We had Ebony Maw, and I was like, Alright, where, where, where's the other ones? Come on! Corvus Glaive! Like, there's a lot missing, and they're coming in February. So now, I've had that settled, and I love them! They're, they're insane! They're really good! So I'm happy. That's what I wanted. How about you?
Alexander Coccia:Oh, for me, it's obvious. Come on now, it's Alpha Flight! We gotta bring Alpha Flight into the game! We gotta get the Canadian connection going! Alpha Flight's incredible, and if I had to pick one from Alpha Flight Okay, listen, you know I've been watching the X Men Animated Series. That is by far the cringiest episode. The Canadian episode? I couldn't believe it. We were being done so dirty. That is not what Canada is like, for anybody that's interested. But Alpha Flight has to be in the game, and we gotta start with Puck. Puck's the one that turns into a ball, right? The little hobbit looking one that turns into a ball and flies at people? It's perfect! Basically make him a silk, some sort of silk that bounces off people. Maybe he debuffs enemy cards while he bounces. I don't know, get Puck into Marvel Snap.
Cozy Snap:Okay, alright, I like it, love to see it, Canadian love. We'll see if we get a season pass dedicated to O Canada. What's our next question, bud?
Alexander Coccia:Our next question comes from Chris Hurley. The question reads, Is there a season theme idea that you would really like to see in the game? For example, I love a theme based around what if, that has characters like Captain Carter.
Cozy Snap:Ooh, what a great pick there, bud. It kind of coincides with the last question. That's kind of tough in some regard. I would say, like, Eternals is not everyone's favorite film, but I think that could be a really cool season thing. There's a lot of cards to go off of there. I love the what if. That would be, I mean, sign me up, man. Sign me up. I would say those two, honestly. I'm gonna take that guy's answer. The what if has a lot to pull from, and we could start to see, like, different variants of cards, like actually used in that sense so I like it.
Alexander Coccia:I actually haven't watched what if yet. I see it in Disney plus. I've never watched it right now in my MCU journey. I'm currently watching the falcon and the winter soldier. I think I'm on episode two. It takes me a while. Cause I get to, I just only get to watch them like while I'm eating breakfast in the morning and stuff like that. Like I watch them on my phone and stuff. But so yeah, that'd be really cool. I think the, what if series does look pretty cool. Pretty phenomenal. That's like a really interesting animated one. I think there's, is there multiple seasons of it? I think that's something I definitely got to watch.
Cozy Snap:Season two's is just coming out. So yeah, it would be. What if also like an equipment like, I don't know, like weapon, like you could maybe have like war machine as the main card and then have like Captain America's shield. Like, equipment that goes and helps other cards. I think that's a cool theme overall that people would get hyped about. That's something I would love to see.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, like you have like the staff, which is like, you know, maybe you play, maybe you play like Infinity Stones into the staff.
Cozy Snap:The Tesseract or something? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I like it. Yeah, okay. But it buffs Loki. Oh my god! He said it!
Alexander Coccia:Don't take that idea second dinner, please. Do not do that. Do not do that. Our next question comes from Canuck. Has Cozy ever listened to the lyrics for The Last Christmas? Parts of it make no sense, but beyond that, it's all negative and depressing, which is not what I want from a Christmas song.
Cozy Snap:Is that you have lost your responsibility of picking these questions now, you cherry picking ones against me over here, you know? There's great questions in there, he takes the last Christmas one. Yes, I'll double down, last Christmas song, it's my favorite.
Alexander Coccia:It's your actual favorite? That is like the one you choose?
Cozy Snap:No, it's not my fav Dude, you don't know the Christmas song, I was telling people this, they were losing their minds. Did you go back and listen to the Christmas song?
Alexander Coccia:So, just so you know, because this was such a hot topic, I actually got a Christmas playlist on my phone and I started listening to all different Christmas songs to try to like, educate myself a little bit. I think that like, there's some S tier ones, there's some like, F tier ones, Last Christmas is definitely like, F tier, but like, S tier is like, Let It Snow, is a good example of S tier Christmas songs.
Cozy Snap:The Christmas song, Nate King Cole. Did you listen to it?
Alexander Coccia:I did actually, I didn't, I confused that one with the Frank Sinatra one. When I said that on last week's Snapchat, you were like, Bro, what's wrong with you? But like, Frank Sinatra has a very famous Christmas song too, which the title is Yeah, I mean, that's what I thought. So I did listen to the, is it Nat King Cole? Is
Cozy Snap:that it? Nat King Cole, yeah. Dude, it's like the, it's the token Christmas. People, I saw a lot of comments, I mentioned Trans Siberian Orchestra duh, amazing, incredible. Like, that's like their own tier almost. As well as like Mannheim, SeaWorld, all those, BenTastic I agree, buddy.
Alexander Coccia:Our last question of the Snapchat today is from Maddie Meister. What is the best flavor or brand of soda? Plus one if you choose Dr. Pepper.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, dude, it is Dr. Pepper. I try to cut soda. I try to cut soda. Yeah, dude. Are you kidding me? I'm from Texas. So I love Dr. Pepper. I would say I've cut soda I've tried to like be better about it as I'm drinking Red Bull But actually did I say it cut soda and like I legit have a Dr. Pepper right here yeah, that's my bad. But I've cut it more than I used to, but I would say, yeah, Dr. Pepper is the top, top of the top for me, man. How about you?
Alexander Coccia:Wow. First of all, I had to think for a second when it was like soda. I'm like, soda for me is like that white, it's like club soda. Close to that. Yeah. Yeah, so here we call it pop, so like, I was like, well, soda, interesting, interesting that, you know, vernacular difference. But much like you, I've, as I've grown up, I've completely cut, like, sugared drinks out of my diet altogether. I'm already, I'm already getting soft in age, as it is, but if I do have to choose one I hate to say this, I can't tell the difference between Pepsi and Coke. And so usually, like, my go to, like, Christmas drink, or if I'm with friends, it's like a little bit of Canadian rye, which is basically like whiskey, into, like, a Coke or a Pepsi, a little bit of a mix, and that's, that's what I, that's what I like to drink. And I can't tell the difference. I don't know if that's a hot take or not, but are Coke and Pepsi basically the same thing?
Cozy Snap:No, man, I'm definitely, like, if I'm at a restaurant, I'm like, do you have a Coke? And, like, we have Pepsi, I'm like, I'll have my water, thank you. Yeah, no, I hate Pepsi. Yeah, I'm not a Pepsi guy at all. I can absolutely tell the difference. I think, for me, by the way, pop is, like, the Midwest here and then soda, and then, funny enough, in, in Texas, I kid you not, if you say, what Coke do you want, it's not a Coke, it's like, what soda do you want? Coke is used universally.
Alexander Coccia:That is pretty interesting, I would never have thought that to be the case. One thing I will say, though, to close this off, is that, although I can't tell the difference between Coke and Pepsi, I can most certainly tell the difference between Like regular Coke and like Coke zero, Coke zero. And like those zero ones, they taste like pure gasoline. Like they really do. There's something about them that just really sets the, the, the tone of the flavor profile off. I just can't do it. I can't do it. Just give me the sugar damage. Just give me the sugar. If I'm going to drink it, cause I may as well enjoy myself. Anyways, guys, thank you so much for joining us today on this episode of the Snapchat. As always, we appreciate your support.
Cozy Snap:Hopefully you guys enjoyed today's Snapchat with the Patch Review, the Blob. And Smart Decks, and we will see you at Conqueror's, Alex participating, myself hosting. Guys, go check it out. It's going to be a lot of fun. I'm just absolutely pumped for it. It'll be live on Twitch on the official Marvel Snap channel. As always, guys, until the next Snapchat, happy snapping.