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Havok: Is the Newest 2-Cost Card Trash or Treasure | Favorite Cards At Every Cost | BLOB In Review | The Snap Chat Ep. 59
Is Havok a game-changer or a risky move? What cards are loved and loathed by Cozy and Alex? What are the top 10 series 5 cards? Join Cozy Snap and Alexander Coccia as they chat about this and more on this episode of The Snap Chat and every week as they discuss all things Marvel Snap.
Is Havok a game-changer or a risky move? What cards are loved and loathed by Cozy and Alex? What are the top 10 series 5 cards? Join Cozy Snap and Alexander Coccia as they chat about this and more on this episode of The Snap Chat and every week as they discuss all things Marvel Snap.
What's going on, guys, and welcome back. Today, we're gonna be breaking down the newest card to come to the game in Havoc. It comes out on Tuesday, and it could be the worst card to come to Marvel Snap. But it might be a lot better than you think. We're gonna break down the best cards and combos and where Havoc fits into Marvel Snap. Alex and I are also going to break down our favorite and most hated cards in Marvel Snap at every cost. Get a little anger out before the holiday season. And then lastly, we're going to be breaking down the meta report for December. We've got an OTA coming out this week, so we're going to break down which decks we think Might get hit, but also, what are the best to be playing to climb ranks fast? We're gonna be talking about that all today and more on this episode of the Snapchat. And as always, I am joined by Mr. Alex Coccia. We don't have too many of these left this year, buddy, but another Snapchat. Here we go, man. How you doing?
Alexander Coccia:Doing great, Cozy, and you know, it's been a wild week in Marvel Snap. There's, listen, I love where the meta is right now, because I feel like there's a lot of different decks kind of cycling through, a lot of experimentation happening, and that's when I get the most excited. When I get to cook, when I get to brew, and I think that that's what's happening in Marvel Snap right now, and honestly, it's a great time to be a Marvel Snap player.
Cozy Snap:Well, we're gonna let out a little bit of heat today, talking about our most hated cards. We have the OTA buffs and nerfs, I would imagine, coming. This Thursday as well. I didn't know. Thank God that's rescheduled because they're, you know, I do, I, you know, there's some things about the meta I like. Very excited though to see some change here and we can talk about that just a little bit. I know it's not on either of our subjects. Kind of tough to predict, I think this giveaway round but we had the Conquerors event, Alex, and you were a participant. I was casting. We both just came back from that or, you know, at least you came back from competing in it. What did you think of Conker's, man? I thought it was a lot of fun.
Alexander Coccia:It was a lot of fun. I think that the actual format was far better this time than the last time. Like as someone who competed in both, this format made a lot more sense. It was a lot easier to follow. And honestly, it was, it was awesome. Like anytime you get to compete against the best players in the world. I mean, it's, it's a thrill. It's an absolute thrill. And I got to say you and Dexter did an absolutely remarkable job casting. The professional caliber of the event. Is, was remarkable, honestly, like it looked good, it sounded good, like every single component of the Conqueror's event, from the actual execution, from your standpoint, and like the actual production, to the event itself, everything was a step forward, I can't wait for the next one.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, I'm hoping they keep doing these events, because I feel like they're getting better and better, and you know, The first one lacked stakes, in my opinion, whereas, like, I, anything, videos, just in my life, I like stakes in things, right? Like, I like there being something to lose, and essentially, if you guys didn't watch there was an hour heat, and the worst four got eliminated in that hour, and then 30 minutes, 30 minutes, and then in the top four, you had head to head. So today, we're gonna actually talk about the decks that were in that head to head. Alex, you did good, man. You did really good. I was, okay, there was one point Alex was ranked, I want to say, like, 13th, and I think out of 12 anything outside of 12 got eliminated, and I was like, no, Alex, here we go, and it was like the final match, and you won, like, a huge one, and then bumped up to, like, 8. Was that stressful? Did you know at that point, like, I'm eliminated if I don't win?
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, the stakes were really high, because it was me and Moin, which is funny because it's a rematch of the finals from Twitch Rivals 2, right? So, I was against Moin, who's honestly one of the best card game players in the world, across all card games, not just Marvel Snap. And I'm like, listen, we gotta go 8 here, because I think both of us were like, on the cusp. And so, we both just snapped. We're like, alright. Both of us went all in and I actually had like an insane play. Like he had a good play too on turn seven, but I was playing a She Naut deck and I happened to have She Naut. I had Abomination and I had obviously Infi Naut all for turn seven. It ended up being a 41 power play on my side that like Moe was just like, well, I guess. Clapped here, right? And so it actually propelled me from like 13th place all the way to 7th because the field was so tight. That one 8Q win, like that, that was enough to kind of propel me forward. And it was awesome. Like it was, it was a rush for sure.
Cozy Snap:If they doubled the participants and I almost feel like they should double the heat time. Like 30 minutes was so tight. Like if you were on the bottom looking in, you had to snap going into like every game because of how tight the queue times and everything was. If they double that, so that you, there's a lot of queues happening. Because at one point, Alex, you were 5 going in. You, you were about to like, make it, make it. I think you, you were fighting for your spot like, in it all, right? Into the, the semi finals. But you ran out of time. Like, you legit couldn't queue. To try to get one more match, and so I know that was, like, on my end, I'm, like, screaming, I'm like, Oh my gosh, look, my podcast! And then I was also feeling bad that I didn't vote for you, because I was like, No! yOu know, hey, next time, alright? There's always next time. It's too much favoritism if I vote for you, okay? But it's not a lack of confidence, because that's definitely high. But you know what I loved about it? As I've seen other card gamers, or just people in general, be like, There can't be a competitive format in Snap. It's too RNG based. Well, Alex, the number one easily voted player, and who we would all consider the best, Lamby won. Right? So like, I think that also spoke volumes to Snap, and Snap being Good, I think that was good for Snap, in a way, right? To show that who is, who was voted, and I think there are so many great players undiscovered, but, you know, Lambie is a very good player in the game. The fact that he won, I thought was really good for the game as well, right? To show that there is a lot behind him that can win consistently.
Alexander Coccia:I'll tell you one thing, as someone who was competing in it, it definitely felt competitive. It felt extremely competitive given the format. And the first kind of wave, we had someone eliminate, I think it was Spyro, by literally one, like, point. One single point, he was eliminated by. And going into the second phase, I was second place, and then I dropped down to fifth. And you're right, like, I couldn't find the cue, match, and stuff like that, because what happened was, is, it was so tight. That even retreating for one cube could have dropped someone from fourth to fifth, from third to fourth. And then all of a sudden, like the matchmaking became so critically important. It was such an intense experience. And like, yeah, anybody saying that Marvel's not, can't be competitive. I'm sorry, you're, you're wrong. Like it can definitely can be competitive and reliably competitive.
Cozy Snap:Right. I think that's the thing about it. It's like being able to beat the RNG and smart retreating. I love the fact that it went to friendly battles after, because there is more kind of. Meet there as far as what happens. Now, big shout out to Felicity too. She went in and was gaming man. She was number two for a while. Definitely like a dark horse there. There was another person though. Amano Satoshi. I didn't even know who Amano Satoshi was. And this man did not use a Loki deck. Used ramp and went toe to toe with Lamby. It came down to a 50 50 on the final play, and then it would have gone into one last battle. Had some crazy draws with the Gamma Lab. Amano Satoshi, I told you on Twitter. Big fan of you, buddy. But anyway, Conqueror is an awesome event. We're going to talk about the decks they used here later in the show. Alex, though, What are we talking about on your side of Snapchat?
Alexander Coccia:Cozy, we're going to be talking about BLOB. BLOB came out this week and it has taken the meta by storm. We'll also be talking about our top 10 series 5 cards in Marvel Snap and Ranked Order. And then finally, our weekly series of The Mailbag. And I can't wait to dive in to the users questions.
Cozy Snap:You know, you missed the chance to say huge, a big, a mess, I don't know. BLOB's a big guy. Can we just talk about Magic the whole show? This Magic variant and how amazing it is. Did you get any of the Helgallus? No, I didn't get any of them. No. I slipped. I made a boo boo. I saw your tweet. I got them all. I had to. This magic was the one I had to get the most. The Jean Grey, really good. The Bishop's nice, too. The Bishop's nice? Yeah, dude, they're all pretty dang good. I have to admit. I'm hoping for new splits to come. That's what I really hope for. It's soon. I think there was like a space one leaked or something, but I hope more of those come. Now let's, before we dive into Havoc, I want to quickly ask, we got the OTA? Coming up, now last time was the balance patch, you're like, there's no way Alioth is touched. Werewolf's going down. Is this the wolf patch? Is this where wolf gets tamed?
Alexander Coccia:On it, okay, they bring wolf down to 3 1, it would be interesting, but like, we're seeing such a shift in the meta right now, even with just blob and what's happening around that, and like, couple different things are shifting enough that like, I don't think you can be that reactive sometimes. I think like giving the meta a chance to breathe a little bit is okay. You're seeing a massive decrease in Loki playing anyways, but if they moved werewolf down to a 3 1, it would not surprise me. That's perfectly within the realm of an OTA change. And it would be completely reasonable, but. He's also like, from an aggregate win rate perspective, he's not like, he's not higher than Iron Lad, for instance. And I don't think Iron Lad's getting nerfed. Do
Cozy Snap:you think Alioth is good where he's at?
Alexander Coccia:Man, why you gotta ask me
Cozy Snap:such a loaded question? I have to answer it. You gotta answer it.
Alexander Coccia:Yes, I think Alioth's fine where he is. Ooh,
Cozy Snap:okay. I like it. I like it. Yeah, he's such a tough car to handle. He, he, he's a very tough car to handle, I think. And then Loki.
Alexander Coccia:I'm fine with Loki right now. I mean, listen, it's obviously extremely powerful. You saw it at the Conqueror's event, like people were using Loki in the most competitive scenario possible. And when it comes right down to it, Loki can still get the job done. The question is though, is that like, I don't think, I don't think Loki change. Like, I don't think you adjust the number on Loki. I think if you're going to make adjustments to Loki, it needs to be a much more deliberate change that you're more likely to see in a patch.
Cozy Snap:My guess is they make a couple of changes to these cards. And then they buff them in January, but then they make an ultimate nerf to them. So, like, I think they're gonna do, like, a Band Aid change right now. And then they come back in January. Like, they did that with, I think, Collector, too, before. I don't know. That's my guess. I was thinking about some buffs, and I couldn't think of, like, any glaring, like I'll say the ones that are obvious at this point. Like, yeah, Captain America. But, like, there's no, like, hmm, I really want this up. So, I'm gonna be curious what kind of toys they give us to play with in the holiday the end of the holiday season. Fun fact, our next Snapchat is on Christmas, which is cool. I can't wait for that one. That's gonna be a good one to cover. But let's go ahead, man. Let's jump into it. Let's talk about Havoc. Oh boy! Lots to talk about Havoc here. I know we were pretty excited about him at the beginning of the season, and now we're trying to figure out where to land on him. If you don't know, Havoc is a 2 cost, folks. Zero power card. But after each turn You are going to lose one max energy. So think about Electro, but it's the opposite. And this gains plus four power. Now, we're going to break down in a second exactly what those energy to power costs are. But, Havoc is definitely a perplexing card. Now, right off the rip, I like doing this, before we get into all the politics of Havoc.
Alexander Coccia:You're gonna leave it to me to give the first rating here? This is so mean! I don't know, listen, I gotta be honest with you. Now, this might not be the popular take, but I barely know what to think about Havoc. Like, this card is so confusing and perplexing, as you mentioned. Like, I'm saying three stars. Because he could be like one or five. It's it's exact. It's Nico. It's it's literally Nico. Like you can, it's so hard to evaluate this card without playing it because like, it could be one of the most toxic cards in the history of Marvel snap, or it could be one of the most dead on arrival. Like you just can't play with this cards in Marvel snap. Like, it's just, it's so unique. I just, I need to play with it. I need to deck build with it, but to force me to give a start, I mean, I'm saying three, but like, it's a capo, because I'm just averaging one in
Cozy Snap:five. Heh heh, dude, it is a tough, I think this is a tougher one. Ultimately, I'm glad he's a series four card, put it that way. I think that he is going to be fun to mess with. I just, man, the more that I thought about him and the more that I look at him in practice, and like, we talk about that all the time, like, when are you actually gonna be playing him? How good is he gonna be? Now, let me break this down for people to understand, right? So if you play him on turn 2, you're gonna have 2 energy from that point forward. From turn 2 to turn 7, even if there's a limbo. If you play him on turn 4, you're gonna lose that energy going into the next round, right? So it's gonna be 4 at each and every Whatever you play him on, that's the energy you kept at. That's the best way to know about it. Now, there are some obvious combos. There are some that people are like, Wait a second! This is amazing! But I want to break down why they're not as good as some people might think. Now, let's start with the pros and start with the best pieces about Havoc and what gets me excited. Okay? Number one. The best 2 cost to play on turn 5 most likely. Or he's way up there, right? Guy's gonna be a 2 8. A 2 8! He's gonna be like the Hulk. He's gonna gain his power at the end of turn 6, even though the game is over. And he has the potential, if played on turn 2, to be a 20 power card. If he's played on turn, what, 3 ish, he's gonna be 16 and then 12 power. He has really good stats at the cost of energy. Are their stats enough to make up for what you're losing, Alex? That's the question.
Alexander Coccia:That is literally the question because like, he's not just like a two, like 20 or whatever it is, whatever energy is being destroyed and occupied is also the opportunity loss that's added to his cost. Right. So like, that's part of it. And it's so restricting, like what, like the deck building side of like, what are you just building a zoo deck where your top card is a, what, like a Kazar and you hope that maybe you play Havoc at some point, you just drop one drops everywhere. Like, what do you actually do?
Cozy Snap:So that's where I want to start out with, okay? So the first thing everybody's gonna think about, and I'm not gonna lie, this is disgusting. This might be the most diabolical thing you can do in Snap, period. I don't think there's anything that can match it. It's obviously Viper. Pulling Viper with Havoc is really cool. You're giving him a huge card, but you cap him. This is awesome. Now let me tell you, this will win you games. This is going to win you games. However, the reason I'm not cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs Is that they're gone, right? I don't know about you, but if I get a Havoc Viper to my side, I'm out. I'm done. I'm like, enjoy your cube. Have a, have a nice day. Good sir. And that's gonna be, I think, the first problem there, right? Like, I don't see anybody staying if this happens to them. Yeah,
Alexander Coccia:you don't go eight Q's when you have two energy in a full game, right? And like, you're right. The Viper play, I think, is going to be one of the things that most people turn to right off the bat. I have two major decks that I've been trying to pen and pen and paper, like, kind of like a concept for, and they start with Vipering. And the Concept of playing like Ravonna turn two into Viper and the Havoc on turn three together. So it never costs you any energy and you obstruct their energy flow is pretty notable. You can also do the same thing with Psylocke, which is, which is notable, right? So the idea of playing some sort of card that lets you sneak both Viper and Havoc on the same turn on turn three together is, is insane. But the thing is, is you always snap into that. You snap into that and then you hope for your two cubes and that's it. Even if they're playing destroy and then like they destroy it with a carnage or viper afterwards, they're, they've still lost the energy by the end of that turn where you kick it over. Right. So they're working with only five at the end of the game. So it is a very like debilitating move. Like it is, it a hundred percent is. But you are right, like, what's the actual cube rate on something like this? It's probably really low. Like, that's what makes Alioth so strong, is you catch people in their boxer briefs because they don't expect Alioth to come down. But like, you see Viper just coming down and you see the Havoc get kicked over. You know what's up, right? And you get out of there.
Cozy Snap:It was so specific. I love, thank you for the imagery there. It was really, it couldn't be, you know, boxer, boxer briefs. Are you a brief guy or a boxer guy?
Alexander Coccia:I'm a Boxer Briefs guy. Like, listen, I have boxers. They're like boxer shorts, but they're very tight. They, they hug. They, they, they
Cozy Snap:hug me. Well, what I wanted to bring up before we got into the combos. Yeah, you asked. I wanted you to ask me questions. I'm so glad that you, like, boldfaced. Like, I'll ask you about, like, ah, what do you think about this card? You're like, man, you put me on the spot. But if I ask you boxers or boxer briefs, you're like, oh yeah, I love you. Before we get into the combos though, Alex, the one of the things I wanted to highlight is the spotlight week. Holy, holy goodness. This is an insane spotlight with Nico Minoru and Legion. If you don't have these cards, now I will say you got two series four in there, okay? But Nico, this is the chance to get her and I think Havoc, he's gonna have some uses. And, and let me tell you, I'm actually pretty fond of the card. We're gonna get to the combos, I think, are really good outside of just Viper. This is a, this is a banger week, yeah? It's a great, it's a great
Alexander Coccia:week. 100%. And I feel like you and I are one of the ones that are trying to bring Legion back. Both of you, both of us have released decks with Legion over the last week or two. Because he has been super good. And so it's, it's cool to see him in there. I do think that the spotlight variant on Legion is probably the worst I've ever seen. It's probably the worst of the bunch. Although the spotlight variant of Nico is absolutely insane. And Nico is a must have in your collection. I think that's been established at this point. It has to, it has to be in someone's collection, just like, lad, it's gonna have to be in your collection, the following, but I do think that, like, it is a particularly strong week, but if you have Nico, then, I mean, just spend the 3k tokens on Havoc,
Cozy Snap:probably. One would say, if you listen to the Snapchat, you would have known about Legion last season, you remember my 5 cost sleeper card was Legion, I don't know why he was out of there, people, I'm like, come on! Legion is a game winner. Very, very good card. Loving Legion there. Let's talk about it. Let's talk about Havoc a little bit more. So again, Havoc, I think he has some really cool potential. I tried to stew on like an old school Ceramerical list of some type or just like a two cost discounted list. Something maybe with Electro to offset it, because you could also do that. It's tough. That's not really where I landed at. I think we start though, before we get to what I think is my hot deck. Let's start with Junk. I think Junk is going to be a natural fitting spot for him. Kind of eased out of the meta, right? We've had a lot of other decks, we'll talk about those in a moment. But Junk has been absent since Annihilus is like, hot weak. And I think that core Junk build has the potential to come right back. Now think about cards like Doc Ock. Are getting a lot of play right now, Alex, because people, people are playing the blob like crazy. And if you pull you know, the blob from your opponent's hand, you screw them. They're done. It's gonna be very tough for them to make up the losses. You think Junk's gonna be the deck for Havoc? I
Alexander Coccia:think it's one of them. I think it's one of like three, right? And I think that's where most people are going to start. I think that's where most people are going to start. And it's fine. Cause I mean, if you have junk and you have the Annihilus shell, then like really, you can't really go wrong. Right. The Annihilus shell, you add a little bit of Viper in there and Havoc and like. It's probably just a good deck. Like, it probably just is with a Havoc side play that can end the game on turn three or whatever, right? I think the deck looks a little different. I still think that's probably like a Ravonna Goblin style deck. Honestly, if I think critically about it. But I mean, I'm surprised you're not bringing Okay, I don't want to like, pull the rug out from under you, but like, you recently released an absolute banger negative deck, right? Thank
Cozy Snap:you, dude. Hey, thank you. I was I was like, he's gonna do it. He's gonna say negative. Yeah, this is the show I see him in. I actually am, this is where I'm starting with Havoc. Twitch drops, if you don't know, they are coming on Wednesday. Alex and I are both going to be streaming probably way too long. However, Mr. Negative is what I'll be playing probably a lot. Ravonna has brought a lot of dependability to Negative. It's still not like Mr. Consistent. It's not his name. His name's Mr. Negative for Negative Cubes. But, I do, or probably a negative win rate as cubes could be okay. But Alex Ravonna is obviously a huge piece of negative, right? Now, the cool thing about Ravonna is she's going to synergize as well with Havoc, so he's only a one cost card. I like Havoc as a safety. That if things don't go right, first of all, he's great to hang on to. If you get him for as a 0 2 late, he still gets plus four, so he's a 0 6 that you get to play for free. Kind of awesome. He's another card that can work with Jane, which you gotta love, and, and, might I just say, I want to give a huge apology for those that are listening and not watching. Alex, they did it. I know you've been passing on variants. I pride you. They finally released my White Whale. This was, this, this was, this was it. I'm done. I could retire. I finally got the best variant in the game.
Alexander Coccia:I think I have to do it. I have to do the audio description. We haven't done this in a long time, but Okay. I'm doing it. I'm doing it. I'm clearing my throat. I'm ready. This is Jane Foster, the mighty Thor. Her red cape flows in the wind as she stands stoically, holding Mjolnir, looking downward, thinking about how she's going to win cubes.
Cozy Snap:Has anyone said you should be, like, an audiobook guy?
Alexander Coccia:I've heard some things. I've heard some things about audiobooks, OnlyFans, stuff like that. But ultimately I've decided that, you know, Marvel Snap and just, you know, Feeding Cubes is more my style.
Cozy Snap:Let me know, chat chat, I don't even know who I'm talking to. Let me know, listeners, if you would like to get Fifty Shades of Kocha now on sale this holiday season. Yes, Jane Foster negative I think will be really good with Havoc overall. But also, if you don't get Ravonna, and maybe don't get Zabu, or you get Ravonna maybe a little late, and negative still comes out on four. Okay? You, it, like, you know that you can play Havoc Down early, get yourself a really good, high power 2 card, and then you get to play free cards, or at least cards that definitely don't cost more than the 2 energy that you're allowed. He's a great safety valve of a huge card that you can build up, and truly, I think he's gonna make a massive difference. I am stoked. For negative with him overall, you get about, you know, on average, you can have a 12 ish power, even 16 power Havoc at times. Plus, you can do the nonsense with Arnim Zola, and maybe Gnoll, maybe do Viper, Arnim Zola, get that 16 power Slash, and then you can get Gnolla. Whatever, there's a lot of cool synergies, and Jane Foster is gonna be like the final piece there, so. Definitely excited about that. Alex, the other, like, combo, actually I'll give it to you. I got a couple combos, but what else do you like about Havok?
Alexander Coccia:The first of all, right off the bat, I want to say that the exact deck you're talking about, Jane Foster, was exactly what I was thinking about too. Like, the Arnim Nola with Iron Man. You gotta, you gotta fill those zeros in, 100%, I agree. I think that's probably gonna be the best place for him. One thing that I'll say is I do, I am working on something with Havok and Wave, turn five. Because if you Havoc and Wave on turn five, that allows you to play your six cost cards at four energy. And so you're really not sacrificing too much on turn six. So if you're playing like a traditional style deck and like, you want to be able to play your cards kind of normally, while still generating the power that Havoc can generate Havoc and Wave on turn five is probably the best thing you can do for a natural turn
Cozy Snap:six. Yeah. You know, I was thinking, I was thinking just that Wave five is back, but it's with Havoc this time around. And that's actually huge. To pull off that combo is going to be epic. Now, any time you have to hope to get, you know, two exact cards that you need, you can't really rely on it, but just to have that in the package is really nice, and I think it's definitely something worth throwing in there. And there's going to be a lot of experimentation around Havoc, which has me excited. It's why I'm not writing him off, truly. Like, I don't know what to give him, and I think it is that Nico rating, right? I his upside is not near Nico. I can't say he's gonna be a 5 I think he could be like a 4 or like a 2. I think that's kinda his, his threshold, in my eyes. I love the wave definitely was going to mention that. Now I'm going to talk about her later today, but I always have to, you know, bring up the possibility. It's about what Moon Girl can do. It's not about her, it's about what she can do with others. People often forget, what am I going to do with due energy? Well, buddy, I've been playing a new style of deck that's coming back a little bit, and I think we could find a shell of good cards, right? What is Havoc? He's a good statted card. What is Stature? A good static card. How much does she cost? Just one. So if you can Moon Girl some Stature action, Moon Girl potentially some Havoc action. And we also have Miles Morales, which you can set up early. You can set up Nightcrawler. You can set up Jeff potentially before the Havoc play. You're starting to get some stats out there. Now, you don't always have to play these things, but I like it as a potential. And then what's cool about this is I've been rocking a lot of Silver Samurai in these decks. And who does he get rid of? He gets rid of Havok. So if you don't want to, if you don't want him, then he's a nice card to get rid of and not sacrifice one of your better ones. It's really interesting to
Alexander Coccia:think about all like the cost reduction that exists in the game. Especially the ones that drop all the way to one, like as you said Morales Stature. And it's, it's interesting to think like, huh, okay, could you do something with like even Swarm then, right? Like Swarm could be viable there if you're playing Samurai. But ultimately like this, it is so like Fivehead to play Havoc. Like the amount of energy it takes to play Havoc and get Havoc kind of operating on all cylinders is, is pretty interesting. And that's why, like we talk about Nico and why Nico should be in every single everyone's collections, because it can be in any single deck. It can be in any single archetype. Nico is just always a very great add in that's going to get the job done. But like Havoc has a much narrower application, right? But the deck building perspective. Is wildly unique. And so like, honestly, I like the Moon Girl call out because there are a couple of things, like even She Hulk, right? Even She Hulk to some degree, if like, depending on when you play Havoc, you're able to float enough to be able to play multiple She Hulks. So I do like the call out, Cozy.
Cozy Snap:Well, man, we're going to have to see and test and that's for sure. I think in short, unless you have anything else to say in short, if you don't have Nico, I think it's a must week. I truly do. I think it's, you at least pull spotlights. If you get Nico, I probably bet you're done. I get Nico, you're done. And then if you get Havoc first, maybe roll again for Nico. That's probably how I feel about it. Next week is really good, so try to, you know, think about if you want Selene and Iron Lads in there. Make sure you guys are looking at your own collection. That's what it comes down to. If you need Iron Lad, if you need Nico, both are must have cards. Those are the ones I'm chasing rather than the Premiere slots. But Selene is also very, very good, and we're gonna talk about her. Next week. Let's move on to our next subject. Favorite and most hated. Now, before we get to favorite Do you remember, like, dude, I swear I have like no memory as a child. I don't know why, man. I didn't grow up with it's a travesty, actually. I don't know why I'm smiling. There was a flood that destroyed all of my childhood VHSs. aNd so I don't have like a lot of like me as a kid, but I remember some Christmas, you know, I remember some Christmas gifts. Was there a Christmas gift you got that you remember that you're like, oh, the red bike or the Canadian flag? I don't know. What was it? Okay,
Alexander Coccia:so, I remember, like, completely out of the blue, I don't know how my dad and my mom knew I wanted it, but one Christmas, I opened up a Sega Genesis, with NFL Football 94 on it, Joe Montana, baby, on the cover. And I remember thinking to myself, I will never not play this game. I loved my Sega, and then like, years later, I was a little older, and then like, I remember my dad being like, I'm like, hey dad, like, I really want an N64, look at these graphics, look at Wave Race, dad, look how real it looks. And my dad's like, no, we can't, it's just too much money, you know, it's like 300 bones, like we can't do it, right? And then Christmas morning, I rip open, it's a, it's an N64, I go absolutely just nuts, yeah, so, I mean, it doesn't surprise me to say that, like, the, the childhood Christmas gifts that have been most emotional for me have been game consoles, considering now I play video games
Cozy Snap:more. Dude, honestly, Sammy, that was my choice. First of all, peak performance, second genesis, love it. I Mine was also in 64. I got games before that and consoles before that, but there was something about my dude I do. You know what? I'm just gonna carry this on to my son because there was something about Lying to your kids my dad same thing. It's like sorry son. I know you wanted it Not this, maybe next year, Santa, you know, and there's one gift left. It was a gap box, man. That's the extra layer of tor torture in there. I was like, ah, close. Which is so funny'cause you grow up and you're like, close. Awesome. Back then it was like close. Damn, I got a hoodie. You know? So I saw the gap box. I'm like, I guess this is it. My leopard transformer is gonna have to do. And no, there it was. N64, Super Smash, and Mario 64. My life was changed moving forward.
Alexander Coccia:What was your favorite
Cozy Snap:N64 game? Aw, dude. I mean, like, that's the tough part. I think there's so many, like, nostalgic, core memory ones. Like, Ocarina of Time, I think, is the best game of all time. Like, it's just too, those are the hours I've sunk in. But, like, what I did on Super Smash Bros. You know, just the amount of fun. But I'll give you a sleeper. Worms Armageddon. Did you, do you even know what this game is? I've
Alexander Coccia:played a ton of Worms, but on PC.
Cozy Snap:You know, dude, I was showing my wife Worms Armageddon and she was like, What am I watching? Like, bazookas, you know? So you did play that, yeah?
Alexander Coccia:Oh yeah, I thought Worms was great. They still release Worms games
Cozy Snap:every once in a while. Oh my gosh, dude. Just to think about like when I was playing at 6, you know, I was like throwing like holy hand grenades on like my friends and like, oh dude, sheep bombs and who knows man, but
Alexander Coccia:what was yours? I played An insane amount of Goldeneye with my friends. We'd sit in front of the TV, we'd play Goldeneye, and then that progressed to playing Perfect Dark. Like, all the time. And then what happened though, we had to stop playing Perfect Dark because we'd play 4 player split screen in front of the CRT screen. We'd all be sitting there, like, right beside each other. And so I'll be like, stop looking at my screen! Oh yeah. Like, we're not looking at your screen. Like, we'd all, like, accuse each other of looking at each other's screens. Everyone was looking at each other's screens. That's how you knew where the other person was, so you could shoot them before they shot you.
Cozy Snap:I cause permanent damage, I think, to my eyes, because you would, you would be, you'd, it's this master craft of looking forward, but then you would, you would, you would take the eyeballs and, like, move them up, you know? And you're like I'm not looking, but your eyes are just screwed because you're trying to keep your face straight. Oh, yeah, man, all the time. I Goldeneye had some, that's the thing about that console. It legit has some of the best games ever on it, right? And maybe it's the era we grew up, but I'm like the old timer, like, yeah, they don't make them like they used to. I just, I don't feel it, man. But anyway that was a good derailment, dude. I love it. But let's move on to favorite and hated cards at every cost. We typically do favorite. I want to add hated to this. Now favorite is just like our personal, like, what has been performing great for us. Maybe not the best card in the slot, and hated are the ones you can't stand. You want to delete it from the game. You just, you hate them. Cannot stand them in Marvel Snap. We're gonna get a little hatred out before the holiday, before Christmas. And, or Hanukkah, Kwanzaa, and if I left any out. Let's get though to OneCastAlex. What is your favorite? And then I'll, and most hated. Do both, and then I'll do both. All right. So at the
Alexander Coccia:one drop slot, I'm falling back in love with Sunspot. The reason for this is because Destroy is only occupying a 7 percent Metashare now. It's down about half of what it used to be in prior months. And so you're seeing a lot less skill monger out there. You're able to get that Sunspot ramping up nice, limboing location, skip and turn six is back on the menu. And so Sunspot also gives you a lot of like versatile play with floating energy that I think is often underappreciated. So I've been really loving Sunspot and I've been hating. I can't believe this, because you actually called this months ago that this card was coming back. Hating Spider Ham. I can't believe it's back. It's back in full
Cozy Snap:force. Dude, I've tried so hard to have you see the light, and I think it was multiple episodes, you're like, Nah, you're huffing the hopium. It's hopium pills over there. Dude, finally! You finally see why this bacon slash cheese eating human I heard from Dan Hipp himself did you catch any of that interview, by the
Alexander Coccia:way? Oh, brilliant. Brilliant. I loved the interview. People could not get over how absolutely, like, just gorgeous of a human being Dan Hipp was. That was like, so much of the focus. It was
Cozy Snap:all of it. I couldn't believe it. It was all of it. The entire comment section was like, what a giggachad jawline. Like, oh my gosh, he's so handsome. He's handsome. Daddy Hipp, I know. Yeah, he's a good looking man. And even, like, just better person. Like, really cool guy. Yes, Spider Ham, most hated. I think this is an easy one to pick for a lot of people. You know, he can be frustrating a lot of the time. And then when he doesn't hit the right card, it's still like, well, you got rid of a card for nothing. Like, that's the thing about it, right? So I did have him there. vEry close. I guess I'll pick another one because you had that. Now I don't know how, dude, Nico's the top of mind. Nico's the top of mind as my favorite. Gotta love Nico. So much juice about her. Damn near my favorite card of the game. It's just, there always feels like something you can do with her and something you can do with your deck to make it make sense. Drawing to, I want more cards like Nico. Truly, I want cards with this flexibility. I would love this at every slot in the game. Like, it's just super fun. I guess it'd get a little overpowered then. If it wasn't Spider Ham, I have a special shout out for MistyKnightEvo. There's something about this damn card that I've lost so many matches to, where I'm like, I won, it's over, and it's like, just one extra point. And it's, it always goes to the lane that I don't want it to go to. So that's my, that's my honorable mention of something you might forget. So yes, MistyKnight, most hated. Number two, or two costs, for you favorite and most hated. I think we have to have the most hated the same. We have to. The
Alexander Coccia:most hated has to be Black Widow, right? It has to, it has
Cozy Snap:to be. I was looking through it and I'm like, oh, maybe this one? And then I got back to the top and it was like, screw you, Black Widow. And you damn Widow's Bind. It's definitely tamed down now that Blob has just murdered Darkhawk. But it's still annoying.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, absolutely. And it's kind of funny. This is like one of those, be careful what you wish for situations where like people were like tweeting at the devs, like, yo, buff Black Widow. Black Widow sucks. Why? And they're like, are you sure? Like, this is okay, here you go. And then everyone's like, man, I hate Black Widow. Why the hell did they buff Black Widow, right? It's like, but like, yeah, I think the card's not completely overbearing, but damn, does it suck to get hit with this Widow's Blight. Like it is just such a bad feel. My favorite is, again, I think I said this last month, but it's Ravonna. I just can't get enough Ravonna. I love the card. It's one of my absolute favorite cards in Marvel Snap. I don't care what anyone says. I think this card is completely underrated right
Cozy Snap:now. Welcome to the club, Alex. Welcome. Welcome. It's great here. It's my pick. Yeah, absolutely. Ravonna, Ravonna, Ravonna. Heck, she has one of the most competitive decks at the moment. Welcome everybody to the club. You're a little late, there's about five of us there, and now the, the, everyone's coming along with it. C3 Ravonna's fine, but I really think Ravonna and the double up action Ravonna ongoing, that is where she is slaying, buddy. Three costs, this is always the toughest. I think this is Typically the most tough cost out there. Favourite?
Alexander Coccia:Oh, this is easy. You're saying three costs is hard? This is the easiest for me. It was so Favourite, without question, Gladiator. I don't care. It's Gladiator. It was by far my favourite card to play this season. I don't care if it cost me eight cubes every single time I played it, I will play Gladiator with a smile on my damn face because it is a fun card. Now you can't play it now because the meta is So everything in everyone's deck has like 10 to 14 power, so don't play Gladiator right now. Blob kind of ruined it, so no, Gladiator is totally off the menu right now. But for the record, in the prior season, I could not get enough of Gladiator as my favorite
Cozy Snap:card. Ah dude, I've played him like twice. For me, it is still Negasonic. I think Negasonic was mine last time and it just floats back over. I love her. She's great. It's tougher to get priority right now. But she's a winner. She's a winner in every deck that she's in. I love the way One of my favorite reworked cards of the year. Negasonic with an easy win there. And most hated, buddy. I I actually found it difficult to pick one that, like, I really hated. I think Wolf was the easy one, but I didn't pick that. What did you pick?
Alexander Coccia:So you're gonna disagree with me. Because you're like, how do you hate this card? But I've been getting played this card played against me a lot, and I'm kind of sick of it. It's Beast. Beast is good, man. It's too good. Listen, cost reduction. We keep talking about how cost reduction is incredibly powerful. How has this card been completely ignored by the community as being one of the most, like, powerful cards in Marvel's now? This card is insane. It has been the enabler of you getting multiple Widow's Bites to your hand. You hate Black Widow, because what Beast does to Black Widow, like, it's crazy how good this card is, and no one talks about how good this card is, no one says that, oh, Beast, this cost reduction is insane. It is insane how good this
Cozy Snap:card is. You know, so I think the thing about it is first I thought, well, I thought you would have mentioned maybe Falcon then cause he's right up there. It's not beast. Cost
Alexander Coccia:reduction though. This guy reduces
Cozy Snap:the cost. I know, but here's the thing. So they, they, he was insane. He was on two costs, which is silly. And then he went to three and he sucked. And no one talked about him. For good reason. He sucked, Alex. But now we have Forge, Nico and Black Widow. Okay, it's not exactly him. It's all the cheap honor veals that are just devastating. They're so annoying to go against, so I don't hate the pick. I definitely wasn't expecting it for sure. I
Alexander Coccia:just, all I'm saying is that when Beast comes down, I'm like, here we go again. Here we go again. Like, I don't want to play this game no more. That's the emotion I get from Beast. And you're right, it's not necessarily Beast's fault, but he's the enabler. He's the one that allows the nonsense to occur that makes me sad, so yeah.
Cozy Snap:For me, buddy, I think I'm going to go with the good boy Cosmo. I just hate him. I just hate Cosmo. Cosmo pisses me off. Probably because I play a lot of Greedy on reveals like 99 percent of the time, but it's a good dog. Yeah, maybe not this good dog. I like the variant too much. I'll throw it to like, I don't know, maybe this one. Eh, summer vacation. Either way, not crazy about the the old Cosmo, man. There wasn't one, I don't even hate him that much. I would say three costs, I feel pretty balanced about a lot of these picks. Four costs, Alex. Most hated, most loved. Let's start with most loved. Most loved for me,
Alexander Coccia:I gotta give a shoutout to Sentry. This has been the season of century for me. You know, this has been a card that felt like nearly impossible to play. There was some like, Copium of playing like Valkyrie, like Carnage and stuff like that. But with Annihilus coming onto the scene and being legit, one of the best decks in the game, one of the best archetypes and just overall splashes that you can put into so many different decks. Centuries back and it's a huge swing. It's a huge, it's literally blazing 420. You kick over the, the void, even if like, yeah, the void gets destroyed, you're forcing them to play like four cards, right? Like really awkwardly, it has that pseudo control element that like a nebula has where like, they don't really want to play on the nebula, but they kind of have to play on the nebula, just like they don't want to play in the right location, but they kind of have to play in the right location. So I think that that low key is very good for century. So that's my favorite of the month. Yeah.
Cozy Snap:Great picture. Century has been just tremendous. And he does have that effect. Fact a hundred. Like if I'm playing one, I'm changing my plans. And like if I look over at that right lane, I'm like, I got nothing. I'm like, this is gonna suck and I better go for the other two. And, and, and find a way to deal with that fast. For me, man, I'm gonna go miss Marvel. Whatever reason I, I look you guys, I don't think she's gonna last. I'm gonna be honest. I think she's. Sadly, eventually might get touched up. I think, overall though, people are playing her less. Doesn't make sense. She's great. She's fantastic. She's better than Mr. Fantastic. She's tremendous. I, loving me Ms. Marvel there. Most hated though? Again, kind of a tougher one, you know? There's only
Alexander Coccia:one. And you can, you can pretend like you're not gonna pick it, because I know you love them, but it's time that you put the only card
Cozy Snap:to hate on the screen. Okay, I know, dude. If it wasn't Loki though, I was like, who would have been in this? And I'm like, I'd get like, It is nowhere near like the Loki hate, cause I'm not even like crazy, I like, I don't like Loki, it's like why people didn't like the Patriots for so long, like if they're the best, people hate you, right? Like that's just how it works. Not this season. But I was thinking, look, what do you think about this card? Not that card, not Drax, but this card. I don't hate Phoenix
Alexander Coccia:Force. When you brought up Drax, I'm like, who hates Drax? What kind of hot take is this now? What do you think about this, SLB? I can't believe no one's playing this card. Like, it's on play for three days in the entire calendar year of 2023 and you're upset at Drax.
Cozy Snap:No Phoenix Force though, the reason I love it, but the reason I hate it is like I play Phoenix Force decks. I'm like, they got the combo, and then best deck ever to exist in Marvel Snap, except you need perfect hand drawl. And then I'll get it. It's worse hand drawl than like, Mr. Negative. And then I'll get it. I'm like, ooh, like, bottom of the deck. Never see Phoenix Force myself.
Alexander Coccia:I don't think I've ever 8 cubed more decks than Phoenix Force. Like, when I see that Human Torch flying around, I'm like, Okay, well, like, I'm gonna just Killmonger you, because I'm playing a Surfer deck, and my Nova's sitting on the board, and I can't believe you're still in turn 6, running back and forth, thinking that it matters, and then, boom, like, I have multiple highlights of me destroying, like, 96 Human Torches and stuff. But
Cozy Snap:that multiple man one is disgusting. The fact that you can
Alexander Coccia:move all of
Cozy Snap:them. Yeah, you're done. You just, you leave after that. 5 cost. For me, dude, it's gotta be, it's gotta be Legion still. It has to be Legion as my favorite. It's so hard. It's so hard cause I'm loving it. I know. What do you
Alexander Coccia:have? So I had Legion 2. I had Legion 2, but if I can cheat like you did prior and just bring out a second one, I'm gonna give a special shoutout to Sarah as well. I think Sarah's kind of making a case for being Again, a very strong card. I actually had this shower thought, like, could Sarah go back to five? Like, does she need to stay at four? Can Sarah be a 5 5 again? I wonder about that. Like, I don't think the power off is that, like
Cozy Snap:C 5 would get too, C 5 would get too good, I think. C 5 is already, like, really good.
Alexander Coccia:Because, like, Silver Surfer, even with Shaw, like, isn't really breaking the top mold right now. And I wonder if Sarah as a 5 5 Would do enough to bring it up a little bit because you also don't see Sarah control like traditional Sarah control Hasn't existed for about
Cozy Snap:two months. I would love to see Sarah control come back I think we talked about it last podcast maybe two ago I said it was an overall buff and and you know You said at that point like i'm gonna have to play more arrow cozy. Did you?
Alexander Coccia:I did. I still find her really awkward. Like I still find her awkward. But what I will say though, is okay. The original version of Arrow, I can't, I can't shake the feeling of how good that was. The old version of Arrow where the last one played, but like, just like the one, it felt bad. Like it didn't feel good. This version feels better and it feels like it has more application in particular, if you happen to throw initiative, right? Still doesn't feel like Arrow yet, but the extra power is helpful, like, going from 5 8 to 5 9 is
Cozy Snap:significant. Alright, most hated for 5, what do you got?
Alexander Coccia:For me Leech. Is it crazy to say that Leech has been making a bit of a comeback with the resurgence of Sheenot based decks? And listen, I know that it's not what it used to be, Still hella annoying. Like, this card is so damn annoying, but also, I mean, I play a lot of Sheenot. I typically tend to run a Moongrill Legion version of Sheenot, which is a little greedier, to be honest with you, because I like Moongrilling my, my well, my Sheenot, my She Hulk itself, right? But I do run Leech depending on the meta, and Leech is disgusting. Like, I snap into Leech on turn five very frequently, and people retreat on turn
Cozy Snap:six. I think, the thing is, though, I think he's needed now. Like, for Darkhawk, you have to have Leech to deal with Blob, right? Like, The leech is needed now, I think, but yeah, I totally get it. I mean, as far as like what toxicity is, it is leech, you know, completely by association. It's got to be it's got to be pro ex for me. It's not even like exactly what he does. I've seen people asking for his nerf. I don't think you can nerf him. I really don't. It's the cards around him. We've talked about this before. But, like, the new, like, stereotypical comment from somebody that doesn't even play Marvel Snap anymore comes into my videos and just has their fire tweet and hates their life is like, Oh, another Pro X Alioth deck. Because that's what we're seeing. It's so much ramp to Pro X, ramp to Pro X Alioth. That I think is that it's starting to get stale per se in some aspects. So definitely that would be my pick there. Six costs, man. You can hate a car, but it is, is it alive? Yeah, it has to be. Yeah. So then let's go favorite to wrap up this segment.
Alexander Coccia:My favorite this season has have to have been SheHulk. Now, Cozy, I know you've been a long term SheHulk believer. And I gotta tell ya, I'm on the wagon now. Like, SheHulk's back. I know Mobius and Mobius took a little bit of wind out of the sails of SheHulk, but she's back. She's great. Phenomenal card. Absolutely love to see it. Yo, I'm
Cozy Snap:surprised. First of all, I love it. Love the, hey, love the pick. And you can back it up. Conquerors, I saw it. I actually knew what you were going to be playing. I was like, Alex. He's going the tier 7 monster. It was good to him in the Rivals. It's gonna be good to him again. Dude, how do you not pick Blob? How do you not pick Blob? Blob is so fun. I don't even care if he's been out like two days. Blob is a blast.
Alexander Coccia:Blob is fun. The animation is blub, blub, Like, it's so good. The flavor of them is good. This variant is actually insane. Like, it is actually This is probably the best Hellfire variant just because, like, it encapsulates the character so perfectly. And apparently, this has to be discussed. Apparently he's not wearing a bikini. This was something that was up for discussion last week, whether or not the original blob was wearing a bikini. Cause to me, it looks like his belly's kind of hanging out and that he's got a bikini bottom on, but people are saying he's wearing a full one piece leotard and that's his belt, but that belt looks the same. It's like a skin tone color. So I'm sorry. It does look like he's wearing a two piece bathing suit. And that is a small little tight bikini. And if he turns around. I mean, that's, that's different variants for
Cozy Snap:another day. For me, it was like right under it. They're lucky. They included this little black. Spot right here because I'm like what's what's what's under that but either way, blob for me man It's that you can't calculate his power. We're going to talk about it more on your side, but absolutely love the blob now That is going to take us Alex to a quick fire run through of the meta at the moment So right now the meta we're going to see some changes as we head into the new year though but we have five Kind of powerful top decks, and I think they're fairly obvious. So, if you haven't been playing Marvel Snap, or you're just living on another planet, this might be the most we have seen something take over the game in Thanos Blob decks. Now, it's everywhere right now. Yeah, the
Alexander Coccia:Thanos Blob stuff has really kind of started to take off here. You're seeing different variations of it. You're seeing like, ones that run Akoye, which are kind of on the greedier side, but I think the more successful versions have been cutting Akoye and just like Just playing Thanos with the amazing turn six finish of Blob. But either way, like both decks are performing really, really well. I think that they're just solid. Cause like, it does exactly what you want to do. Like you have that control element of the ramp into Professor X, which is exactly what we talked about, why everyone hates Professor X. But you can't deny that. It's, it's good. Like, it's win rate is solid. It's cube rate is solid. It's just, it's just good.
Cozy Snap:So I actually love Akoye. If you're in Infinite and you're playing because you were going on head to head matchups and so you just need to beat the other Pro X decks. And so getting that extra Jeff PowerPoint and or Pro X PowerPoint and then your blob is bigger. That's why I'm playing that right now. Akoye definitely. It's hard to not argue that Loki is at the top of the top. Listen, I think its stats are actually fine. Threw out all of the ranking ladder but we saw it. We saw it from Lamby. We saw it in all the Conquerors. The number one most played deck when people actually had, you know, stakes on the line. It's one thing to say, oh, I really believe in this deck, and then you play another one, and it's another to just watch it play out. Loki was everywhere. Loki was three of the four decks within the finals, in semi finals.
Alexander Coccia:The thing that really stood out to me with Loki was that it even managed to beat in a, like, literally Conker's two of the best players in the world playing as each other. One of them had Loki, one of them had Cerebro.
Cozy Snap:Cerebro 3, and it beat him. It
Alexander Coccia:beat the Cerebro 3 player, which was kind of like, in theory, that shouldn't happen. It just shouldn't happen.
Cozy Snap:You could hard counter it, and it still, now I will say there were some locations I'm like, oh man, that's just unfortunate. Like, with Amano Satoshi, there's a game allowed, and I'm like, dude, if that didn't happen, you're winning the game. Or at least that, that round. And I also think, again, I think Lambie's decks, like, I remember I had Lambie on for a Destroyer build. And people were like, this deck sucks. Like, yeah, it probably does with you at the pilot seat, right? But it, Lambie just plays differently. And I think it's tough to play exactly and pilot the way. That's why you're not seeing it or else everybody would be playing it. Me and Dexter talked about that a lot. I think Loki People just don't want to give it credit. It's so much harder to play than people think. It's a hard deck to manage at times, but it's so good. Because it takes your cards and does it better. And then you throw in the tech cards now, it's impossible.
Alexander Coccia:I think that the calculus on like, when Loki is best played, whether it be turn 4 or 5, can be amongst the most difficult decision making. Because like, I know it's like, Hey, Alex, it's not that hard. Just play Loki whenever the hell you want, play it on four. If you haven't played on five yet, it's not that simple at all. Cause some decks are really going to benefit from having like, well, you are going to benefit from stealing a deck and going into turn six with their deck, as opposed to going into turn four with their deck. So I think that there is some nuance to Loki that often gets understated and just not appreciated. And so I would agree with you that at the end of the day, if you're trying to be as competitive as possible, Loki still remains one of the best options.
Cozy Snap:Balanced Annihilist, I think I have right up there on the top two, just really good punishing players with Toxic One Drops. You hate Beast, you just talked about it, and then you have the Sentry Player with Annihilist. Very hard to even counteract that one play, right? Just very good all around.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, I love it. I think it's, like, literally, if you want one of the most consistent decks where, like, you don't really have to worry too much about what your opponent's doing, let your opponent worry about what you're doing, play this Annihilus deck for sure. And I think that there's something nice about that. You doing your thing and forcing them to respond to you is actually a pretty strong feeling in Marvel's
Cozy Snap:top. Yep, and then Log Going the Log Going, the hell? Lockdown is definitely still just great because it can compete with the decks above it. Miss Marvel's insane, Dr. Doom, you have Storm, really solid overall. And then Destroy. I think Destroy will always be where it's at. It counters a lot of the top decks right now. And it just pushes out some incredible power all the way around. Hi, Evo! I think it's good. I think it's pretty good, and I also think Ravonna Ongoing is pretty good. Those are the ones on the bubble for me.
Alexander Coccia:I think that, like the Infinite, like, She Not style decks with High Evo are being totally slept on right now, like, I don't understand why they're not seeing more play, maybe because people are just sick of them and they want to play some of the new hotness. I'm telling you, they're ridiculous. Like, people aren't even running a lot of the tech to counteract the Limbo. People are playing Storm, but they're often playing Storm out early they're, because they're trying to set up a lockdown situation. You're able to skip turns. They can't, they cannot play Professor X on a Sunspot, right? They can't play Professor X on a Cyclops. So you're able to set up these locations where like lockdown, like you just outpace them, you always have initiative, Alioth doesn't matter. Like there's so many ways you can approach that game in this meta. I'm actually shocked more people aren't playing High Evo, specifically the Debuff Evo.
Cozy Snap:I like the deck. I think I would, I would love to, out of the ones we mentioned, I would like to go up against it. Out of all the ones we mentioned, that's the one I would like to go up against. Cause I. I think it's also like, you can play, like, if I see a nebulous sunspot, it's not another deck. It's not, for the most part. Like, it's going to be high evo, so then you save the storm, legion, or snow guard. And I'm running those in my deck. But I do get, I think people do disrespect that the power slam, it's over. If you get to the limbo, it's done. It's absolutely done. I also thought the other day when I was crafting it I was like, man, the thought that goes into the meta around this, like, they made Magic and Cosmo both three costs, clearly on purpose, right? Like, because if you could Cosmo the Limbo, like, can you imagine? It's like, game set, right? Is it not being played enough? I think High Evo gets insane at play at lower ranks. I think it's like, I saw Reddit, like, High Evo's getting out of control. Like, dude, I don't even see it. But towards the higher ranks, I do think that people are playing right now more of the blob instead of Loki, instead of Annihilus. And frankly, High Evo. So I do agree. It's, it is really good against Lockdown to your point. I think
Alexander Coccia:the key thing that keeps High Evo out of High MMR as well is that it cannot play against Loki at all. And I know you're thinking, well, that doesn't make sense. They get the non buffed cards, but it's not that it's the snow guard. Yeah. They get snow guard, every Loki deck plays snow guard. So they have the, the Hawk and you cannot compete with the Hawk because the Hawk disables Limbo. They're able to hold the initiative so effectively, like, so that's the one deck where you can't really fight up against there very well, because it's the damn snow guard. They just have you by the schnutz, man. You can't do anything. Cozy. This week has been insane with the introduction of Blob. Blob has burst into the meta and I got to tell you, it's been absolutely wild how much it's actually shaking up the decks that are at the top and more or less how like Conquest looks like, how ladder looks like. So I'd be interested in starting off our discussion with our review of Blob. Kozy, what do you think of Blob? I've
Cozy Snap:never seen a card. Ever kill another card so fast and and not just like oh another card like Darkhawk Vanished the only way you can even play him with leech at the moment because everybody's running blob And it's kind of funny the disrespect blob got blob got so much like I think I give him a four which and you give Me like a three three and a half I think is where that ended up at why we weren't giving out just like raving reviews because he is that alternate win condition right like His reliability, what he does. I don't want to steal all the points of what we're gonna talk about Blob. Oh my gosh, is he not just a very good card from start to finish? And the ultimate Darkhawk counter finally comes full circle a year later, Alex.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, so first of all, yes, it's kind of crazy to think that like, okay, maybe we shot a little low on Blob. And I think I'm willing to admit that perhaps I thought Blob was going to be a little more restrictive than he ultimately ended up being. But one thing I will say, and this is like an incredibly hot take, but one thing I will say is, Aren't you kinda glad that Alioth exists? Now that Blob's in the meta. Because, without Alioth, you would have, like, no counterplay to this absolute monster. Because at least now, if you know, oh, I'm against a Thanos deck, I know what's up. They're gonna try and lock down this location, they're gonna try and lock down that location, they're gonna Blob Slam me, but I got a plan. I'm gonna earn initiative, and no matter how big, how many Gigantos they have stuffed into their deck, no matter what, My Alioth is gonna deal with that damn bikini wearing SOB, because that's what Alioth does. I don't know, I know that's a hot take, but I just wanted to throw that out
Cozy Snap:there. Yeah, definitely a hot take. I'll let you read into the sunset with that one. I, like, Shang Chi like, not having priority and having Shang Chi feels really good too. I mean, it made me love Shang Chi again, if anything, right? Because, like, people were playing on their early Blobs, which I'm like, What's the game plan after that? We both know you have four cards left in the deck, and I killed that. What now? You know, like, with Shang Chi, you typically have to wait turn six. Surprise play? Nah, dude, smack him in the face now, and then they're like, What now? What do you do, right? And I think Blob is best played, though, on turn six for multiple reasons. Not bad to get him out there early, too. But he's the other Alioth, right? Alioth kills cards, he just puts so much power, you can't beat it. And then that's like, kinda takes me to the best point about him. He's unpredictable, right? And I think the fact that he can put out 17 power, 18, 25, his averages are stupid. I got to playtest him early, and I gotta say, man, I just, I was playtesting him, and I'm like, oh my gosh, they don't know what's coming. People don't know what's coming with this guy. It's the fact that, all of a sudden, in the She Nods, you don't need the Hulk. You don't need These are the big cards because you have Blob to kind of do the the main heavy lifting as a kind of deck thinner in a way, right? He's so good and he's gonna be around for a very long time. I think Blob is a staple now of a card. This is it. You guys, if you're listening to it now, if you're on the fence, I think you get Blob. More so, do you think Blob is better than Selene and Havoc? I absolutely
Alexander Coccia:do. So now, now that we've had a chance to playtest him, I do think that like, you cannot argue that he is going to be meta relevant. And I think this is one of the key advantages to waiting. Like the weekend to see how cards shape up, because this is the perfect example of like what something looks like on Tuesday versus what it looks like on Saturday, especially when people get a chance to start brewing and cooking with it, things change rapidly. And both of us were correct on identifying that Thanos was going to be one of the absolute top shells for him, and that has proven to be absolutely true. So, yeah, I absolutely agree. And like. As a consolation, you're still getting Ravonna, who I just finished talking about was one of my favorite cards in Marvel Snap right now, which you definitely you know, agreed with. So yeah, like 100%, I think it's definitely worth rolling on Blob and you are touching on a very important thing as well. Now, you mentioned Shang Chi. I actually have not been running Shang Chi. I've been running Shadow King instead. I feel like it's cheaper and I can deal with Blob's floor power, you know what I mean? Like, the fact that he's still there at four kind of feels like, ah, who cares? He's F4, whatever, he still exists, but I'm not too worried about it. But yeah, Shang Chi, Shadow King, if you do not have initiative, are perfect answers. If you do have initiative, Alioth is a perfect answer there. However, what I will say is that what you said is perfect. It doesn't really matter if he's a 621 or a 648. He's just so damn big that he's going to win anyway. Like he just wins the location regardless. So like I have found myself leaning towards less greedy decks. Right. But what you said before as well, with the idea of using a Koya to deal with the mirror matches is interesting. Cause that is a consideration.
Cozy Snap:Yeah. So it's just, first of all, I want to say, can we just say something about the spotlights lately? Like, Oh my gosh, they've been so good. Like, Jeff was on the first week. This week might be the, like, Ravonna is a tri just an incredible card. You have Blob, and then Living Tribunal is awesome, like having access to that card is just a win. Especially now, because Living Tribunal cannot be hit by Shang Chi, so it's even better now, people kind of don't realize that. And then we go right into another banger week, right? Legion and Nico, sign me up. So, just something to be said about that, Iron Lad's coming. Like, every card that you could want to come to Series Drops are here. And then we just hope they announce that, right? But on top of that, we're also going to be breaking down those here in a second. Of what we think are the top 10 series 5 cards. But Blob is going to fit into Thanos is gonna have his, his, his heyday. I think he, I'm glad Thanos has another card to kind of bring it all together. And it doesn't need a life. Like, you know, if a life does get completely nerfed and nuked to the ground, Blob is that other wind condition piece for that, which I'd love to see. You know, I I have to see how this plays out, even if the lockdown mechanic goes away. Because it's lock down a lane, play Blob, lock down a lane, play a life. I still think Blob is going to be in those decks. Blob can be into a lot of these other decks that want to work this way. He's fun in Hela. He's fun and good in Ramp. We saw Ramp as one of the top two decks in the finals, and we saw it really good. I think Ramp is on a quick side note, I think Ramp is actually harder to pilot than people think, too. I think Ramp is very easy to pilot, with very complex navigation. Because you have so many cards that you can play, right? But you can only do about one of those. And do you play Salmon? Do you not? I think Amano Satoshi really highlighted Ramp. And Blob
Alexander Coccia:fits there too. Blob does fit there. I do find that Blob's a little more difficult to pilot in that ramp shell, but playing him out on 5 actually isn't usually that bad, because like usually because you're playing a ramp style deck, even if you play him out early and destroy your deck, like you're still probably holding like a Magneto or Dr. Doom, or like you usually have some sort of answer anyway in your hand, which is kind of nice, so he did feel pretty good there. I do prefer the Thanos shells,
Cozy Snap:to be honest with you. Yeah, Thanos is the best by far. Like it's not even close, Thanos is the best, then everything comes after.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah. One thing that you were talking about decks here, I want to highlight something very, very important here. Okay. So when we're talking about decks and one of the benefits to waiting before deciding when you're going to purchase a card and use your resources. So on aggregate right now, and this is kind of like how statistics can lie. And I just want to take a second to talk about this right now. Blob has a 49 percent win rate on aggregate at a 0. 01 percent cube rate. And that's in post infinite and that's a untapped statistic. Totally wrong. Totally inaccurate. Why is that inaccurate, Alex? Why is that such an important time? Blob does not have a 40. So what happened was this, okay. You had a whole bunch of experimentation earlier in the week, right? When Bob first came out and the. Most popular decks that took off, ironically, were relatively low win rate. And then, later on in the week after we released that video, suddenly Bob's win rate started increasing. So the reason why I bring this up is because when you're trying to evaluate whether or not you want to spend your resources, especially if you're a free to play player. It's so critical that you allow some time for the medic to kind of evolve over the week because Blob was undershot those first few days and in my testing on like the launch day video I was like this card feels pretty damn good and my experience as I was playing a Thanos shell very similar to yours was very different to some others and then ultimately by the end of the This card has clearly proven that it's going to be meta relevant. So I just wanted to say that sometimes the statistics don't always tell the full story until the meta and the decks start to really get cooked and
Cozy Snap:shape up. Yeah. So I want to break down that in two halves. First of all, I would say, and I broke it down in my video, every person, creator, whatever, had the same deck bill and they were missing like three cards. And what you plugged in those three cards were the difference of those decks. You saw the flavor that I went to was Legionnairo. I wasn't seeing any of that done. Arrow, I was gonna play her just cause she had good stats, and I was like, oh, I could use her to effectiveness. And we talked about it last week. What does Thanos do well? He ramps into 5 costs, right? So, that starts there. Legion I had in there, exactly what we were talking about on my side of the Snapchat. To deal with the high EVO, right? I didn't want to deal with the limbos and just to get the advantage of all the stones. I love Legion within Thanos. That's kind of where I end up on Blob. When I look at him He's going to be in most of your favorite decks or your big decks. And there's going to be more cards coming out, even in the next two months, both in January and as well in February that Blob's going to love. He's going to continue to get good cards. I'm telling you, he's going to be meta relevant when we're talking about this next year. Now the
Alexander Coccia:question I have to ask, which I know is going to be frequent in the comment section is, does this card get nerfed? Does it get changed? Does it get modified? Because people don't want to spend their credits, their tokens, their spotlight cashes if this card goes like if it drops to a 6 0, is it still
Cozy Snap:playable? Nah guys, chill out. Not everything gets nerfed. I think like Nico, oh my god, Nico's gonna get nerfed. Like Nico didn't get nerfed. It might eventually, but like No, I don't think so. I think Blob, and you gotta look at how they would nerf a card, and there's no good way to nerf Blob. It's the same as Werewolf by night, in my opinion, but Blob is even more untouchable. Because Werewolf, you can go up a cost and screw him up. What are you gonna do about Blob? Take him to a 6 0? I'll play him in negative, you know, like, and then he's even more scary. They can't do that because of negative. 6 4 is a perfect stat line. 6 3 even, okay. I'll take my 98 powered blob. There's nothing that you can do to him in my opinion, to really mess with him. yeAh, just stop being afraid of nerfs. I get it, guys. I understand. They nerf a lot of cards, but they also buff a lot. They also keep a lot. I think blob is gonna be kept.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, I'm just getting ahead of the comments here, Kozy. You know exactly
Cozy Snap:what I mean. I know, right? Oh, no, I've gotten them all week, like Oh, I'm not going to buy him. Cause you know, second dinner is going to, it's like, play another game. I get it. At this
Alexander Coccia:point, but regardless. Okay. So we are definitely giving the two thumbs up here on blob. Definitely worth going after with your spotlight caches with your keys and with your tokens as well. It's going to be meta relevant for some time. So ultimately cozy, we're giving it the thumbs up. And I think the blob is worth getting. Now that brings us to our next point of conversation here. Which always makes me nervous because we have not done a top 10 of series 5 cards in the longest time and we've actually been okay so since the only time we've ever been like step to step was on that discard top 10 we did so long ago where we literally went almost the entire thing now this one here It's going to be really hard to follow that up because I feel like we're going to be all over the place here with our top 10s and I'm actually really interested in having this discussion because there's a lot of really good series 5 cards because guess what? They have been only series 5 cards for months and months and months. Hopefully series drop news coming soon by the way. They did mention they're going to have news by the end of the year. And we're almost at the end of the year, Cozy. So anyways, top 10 series
Cozy Snap:5. I have to ask real quick, was it really hard for you not to get this, I know, well Obviously not, because of how egregious it was locked, but this Captain Marvel, was just like, ugh, my gal. Even though we don't, you don't really play her much anymore though,
Alexander Coccia:no? I was actually super sad to see that, like, she was as deep into the I don't have the cards. I don't, I don't have the Hellfire Gala cards. And it actually has a really nice card back in that album, too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I was like, man, I actually really want it, so, like, listen. I'm I'm trying to be very conservative with my spending. Trying to, you know. Just be a little more reasonable. I, listen, I, we have been getting tempted over and over and over again with these like beautiful variants. By the way, I've got a question. Jane Foster, do you have the Archer in Jane Foster? Yeah. And do you like the Archer in Jane Foster more or this new
Cozy Snap:one that you got? No, definitely the new one. I've been waiting for this one forever. I know. I love this one though. I love this one. Don't get me wrong. They're both good. It's like, it's tough to pick. This Black Panther might be one of the best though. This one was really good. The Doctor Doom is tremendous. The magic. Go
Alexander Coccia:back to that Doom, that was beautiful. Oh my gosh, look at that Kirby Rainbow. Look at this guy. The audio viewer is loving it here. Okay, Cozy, you have to do the audio viewer description here. You know, it's
Cozy Snap:just slightly short, right? Don't have the go back, don't have the It's not inkified, but it's got a rainbow split. And honestly, it's kinda why the chrome does work, man. The green Dr. Doom lookin like he's headed to the snowball gown, the winter ball. And he's, he's really, he's definitely taking a fancy date, man. Like, Doom's dressin up here, yeah? I mean, come on. Look at this. Look at this golden wear.
Alexander Coccia:Cozy, that delivery wasn't sensual enough. You're not, like, getting into the mic. You're not getting, like, emotional. I sound sexy enough. This is ASMR here, buddy.
Cozy Snap:What am I supposed to say? Like, I
Alexander Coccia:don't know. Okay, okay, watch. Let me do it for you. Let me get it for you. Okay, ready? Ready? Okay, listen. This is the variant. Second to the pod. Imagine Dr. Doom, dressed like Jon Snow, preparing to enter the Hellfire Gala.
Cozy Snap:It's good. Good. It was it was the the Jane Foster one, I had to go take a cold shower. That was that one was like, gave me goosebumps, you know? But yes, the ha ha Hellfire variants were really good. I'll never use another magic in my life, that's for damn sure. The Forge just gives me the chuckles too, because I feel like this Forge is on, like, Microsoft Paint for whatever reason
Alexander Coccia:and What are we even talking about right now? We totally derailed ourselves on this potty. That gambit, by the way, that gambit's hilarious to me. This
Cozy Snap:one? Yeah, there's a lot happening.
Alexander Coccia:There's a lot going on in this game. Okay, Kozy, you gotta do this one. Try ASMR
Cozy Snap:this. No, pass! Top 10 series 5 cards, Alex. We could go on for hours on this segment as usual here. But let's go ahead and jump in. I want to do no honorable mentions cause I don't want to spoil anything. I want to go right into it, buddy. Let's go in with number 10. What do you got? Number
Alexander Coccia:10 for me, Nebula. I'm choosing Nebula as a top 10 card because listen, I think this card is remarkable. I love the pseudo control and once it has a 51 percent win rate across infinite 17 percent meta share. Again, just like we talked about whole century. Forces your opponent to play in a way they might not be expecting or might want to. This card is great. It puts up power. I love it. Nebula number
Cozy Snap:10. Nebula was my 11. Nebula really good. I tried to look at all the decks, the metas, the past metas, not just the current. And Nebula is right out of it for me. Now I can't wait, guys. I cannot wait for Alex's reaction on some of my placements here. At number 10 is where I have, and I could put them a lot higher because of like this meta, but I have the blob here. I have the blob slipping in at number 10. I could've gone higher, but Blob is the newest series 5 card and I think he's gonna be a staple moving forward, so Blob is at number 10.
Alexander Coccia:I conservatively have him at number 11, by the way. So, like, I totally respect the fact that, like, he's pretty legit here. And but I didn't put him in the top 10, but yeah, like, we just talked about, like, I mean, if you want a 95 power card, you know where to find it, right? So, number 9, Cozy. Number 9. Now you're gonna actually be upset with me, and I do apologize in advance. Cozy's gonna actually get worked up here. Nico. Nico at number 9. Look at his face, he's already upset, he's so insulted. Why are you,
Cozy Snap:what are you doing, man? What are you doing? You're gonna have, like, friggin high EVO at, like, 3 or something. Alright, what do you got, what do you got? Why do you gotta ruin my
Alexander Coccia:list more like that? Why do you gotta do that to me?
Cozy Snap:Okay, tell me why Nico is at 9, Alex.
Alexander Coccia:Because, okay, Nico is damn good, and it has applications across so many different decks, but it's still a 1 cost. It's still a 1 cost. It, like, we can be like, so. Nico doesn't like, usually, oh my god, I'm gonna catch myself here. He doesn't usually just solo win you a game. Some of these cards are so impactful. Nico is impactful. But it's not, it's not, like, straight up better than some of the cards I have higher on the list. Are
Cozy Snap:you high, Alex? Are you drunk right now? Are you drinking? Yes. Yes. Dude, Nico's stupid, man. Nico's so good. Copping a car, man. Destroying it for two drawl. She's, she's really good. It's safe to say
Alexander Coccia:that Cozy disagrees. Yeah, it's
Cozy Snap:safe for you. I love it. By the way, guys, if I see another like, you guys are being hard on each other, like, we're like best buddies, like, get over, we're not ever like, I'm never like, hey, shit, take Alex. Anyway, number nine for me is definitely not Nico. Number nine for me is going to be Iron Lad. And and just, I love it because Alex was like, I'm not putting Iron Lad on my list. I can just tell you right now, makes no sense. Iron Lad's in every deck. He's very good. Definitely one of the best cards in the game. Could have put him higher. I, this whole list is tough. I gotta be honest about it. But yeah, Iron Lad's at number nine for me. You know what, it's
Alexander Coccia:funny because in my brackets for my favourite cards of the month, I actually have Iron Lad. I didn't bring it up because I know you get angry when I bring up too many cards. I've been playing a lot of Iron Lad lately, and like, you can't deny how good the card is. Alright, what's that, number 8? Okay, number 8, I don't know if you can get mad at me for saying Annihilus is a top 10 card here. No. I think Annihilus goes in at number 8. Maybe, like, do you have him higher? Possibly, but he has a 53 percent win rate. He holds 7 percent of the meta, which is a beautiful spot. 7 percent of the meta means people aren't seeing it very often, but it's enough that when you catch him with it, they're like, oh damn, this is an Elias deck. I'm not prepared for this, right? Yeah. I love Annihilus. I think this card is low key. Like, if you're trying to just get to infinite, you want to just get, like, a really solid cube rate deck. Like You probably have Sentry, like, this, this card is
Cozy Snap:phenomenal. Yeah, really, really good card. I have him right out as like a single card in his impact, I have him out of my top ten. But he's gr he's fantastic. Now, when Selene comes by, he's, he's in there, for sure. What he does well, I think, in that even though his Annihilus balances like a top three deck, the cards around it, I think, also make it really good, so it's tough to just focus on just Annihilus. Like, if you don't top deck Annihilus, I think that deck can still win. Very good, though. Easily in the top twelve, if that makes you happy, but definitely. Love the pick there. Number eight for myself is going to be Oh, I can't wait for Alex. He's like, how dare you? Is High Evo. Yeah, this is where I got High Evo. At number For myself he's good. He's a good card. Definitely good. I think I think there are just a single cards. Like I, it's tough. It's really tough to wait this list. Right, Alex? Cause like, high Evo is the only card you need to really make this deck work. So like, if you're a new player, this is like. Number two. Yeah? I think number two. If you're a newer player, I think High Evo is number two. As far as like just putting a deck wrapped into a bow, I put High Evo there. If I'm just talking to who I think the audience is, that's where I put him at round number eight at the moment. But I can certainly agree on he's probably the best series five right there with one other who's my number one as the best.
Alexander Coccia:Talking about shit takes let's kind of just like rewind this a little bit. So you're saying that for brand new players HiEvo's number two? I would suggest for all players it might be number two. I mean, that's a conversation we have to have a little bit later, Cozy. Maybe a couple more spots from this. Now, number seven, Cozy, for me I'm trying to just move on because I'm upset. I can't believe you This is This is shocking that you've done HiEvo this dirty. Yeah, yeah. So, this is shocking to me. I can't even First, it's a nihilist you leave out of the top ten. Now it's high evolutionary getting absolutely just pumped. I can't believe this. Anyways, this is a man,
Cozy Snap:this is the guy that's angry at the store because he's having a bad day. I get it. I get it. Your list is garbage. Let's move on though. You got to make up with like anti or like counter heat. I get it. I totally get it, man.
Alexander Coccia:My number seven cause you'd never guess. Cause it's iron lad 53 percent win rate, 20 percent of the meta. I yeah. Okay. He's good. I have
Cozy Snap:nothing to say. Next up for me, Alex, I have Ms. Marvel. I hope Ms. Marvel made your list because she's absolutely crack, absolutely broken. Very, very good card, and another one that I would say is like one of my favorites for new players as well. Also with people with full collections. So good that I don't even know if she lasts in her current state. Still one of my favorite cards within the game. Love what she does. 15 power, 4 drop. You got 10 power, if not as good as Century, Ms. Marvel's coming in at number 7. A
Alexander Coccia:very, very cool pick. Like, I do like Ms. Marvel. She's a couple places higher for me. But I agree for everything you said. Like, it's just an overall absolute banger card across all collection levels. Applied to pretty much every single archetype. And so, yeah, I love the card, absolutely. Now we're on to number 6. Cozy, would you like to lead the way with number
Cozy Snap:6? Yeah, you want me to go back to back? I'll go back to back. I got Thanos. Thanos?
Alexander Coccia:Okay, I see, I see. You're gonna be dis You're gonna be very disappointed. Thanos is not in my top ten. I actually had Thanos slash Blob as eleven, for the record. Cause I considered them like one piece, which I know you
Cozy Snap:hate. The, I think it was like two snapshots ago, you like couldn't believe I didn't have Thanos. Like you couldn't Who couldn't conjure that I left out Thanos as one of the best series 5 cards, and now he's not on your top 10. There's so much use to build the stones, Kozy, the stones, and now here's all of it. Now he's on your list. Maybe he's up there. Did you check? Is he up there? Is he on like three?
Alexander Coccia:No, he's okay. I'll double check. No, he's not there because he's, he's, it's blob slash Thanos at 11. I have. Because I just, I needed more information about Blob and Thanos, and I think they're going hand in hand right now, and like, Listen, you know I love Thanos, but like, right now, like, we're talking about absolutely insane cards coming up, like, they're all insane, and Thanos without Blob has felt kind of horrible. Kind of horrible, let's be honest, like, it has not felt good. Blob has kind of rejuvenated it a little bit. And Akoye to some degree, which is kind of
Cozy Snap:ironic. Yeah, at 11 I have blank slash blank slash blank. I have 9 slashes with cards at 11 for me Alex. But, this is like just a roast at this point. I love this. Yeah, so Thanos, man, he's great. Good for new players. He ramping into fives has proven time and time again. Thanos is taking hits for other cards being good. And Thanos is just being Thanos and doing his thing, man. Love it. Love what he does. The meta right now is not around Killmonger, which is great. That's where I got Thanos. What about you,
Alexander Coccia:bud? Is Thanos the card that a few months ago, I forgot to put on the top 10 as a whole?
Cozy Snap:Probably that too. Yeah,
Alexander Coccia:I think so. Yeah. Yeah. So I have a history of Thanos already. Nice. No, I know you forgot to put Thanos on a list at some point. That was high evil for me. That's right. That's right. Number six. It's Miss Marvel. I love Miss Marvel. Can I say the amount of power that you can put out on the board as we just discussed is truly remarkable. And I got to tell you, I was low on Miss Marvel originally, but like the the requirements to get her power to having a car there have not been met. As difficult as perhaps I originally thought. Honestly, Dr. Doom solves pretty much all of that. Like Dr. Doom, the Doom bots go, Hey, check me out. I'm actually not five power. I'm 10 power because of Ms. Marvel, right? So I do really like Ms. Marvel. I think that she's been incredibly flexible. And so, you know, ultimately I think she's solid. One of the best cards in the game, without question. And going on to number five, I mean, we've got to be starting to get closer on some of these cards. This is a couple of cards you haven't mentioned yet that I I'm sure you have to. So I'm going to go to number five. It's Werewolf by Night 52 percent win rate, only 6 You can't deny that Werewolf by Night is one of the best cards in Marvel Snap, and We identified it on the Snapchat months ago, that, hey, save up for this card, it's gonna be a wild one, and it has absolutely delivered on that, in fact, We even discussed it potentially being a villain in Marvel Snap, so yeah, I'm all about Werewolf by
Cozy Snap:Night. Yeah, I've got him at 4 Werewolf by Night, man, like, yeah. He's, he's crazy. He's crazy. Like, he may not be the flavor of the week, but insane stats, priority dodging is what Not only priority dodging, but he can move and avoid Shang Chi or Shadow King. That's what makes him so good. It's what made Kitty Pryde good and why I love him at four. But number five for me, Alex and I like the wolf pick. Definitely good. Really good card overall, and I think that He's gonna be a mainstay, and he's one of the few that I would get as, like, a solo winner that you can build around. This is where I've got Nico, man. I think Nico, definitely, the impact that she has, what she can do, having the power of the demon, the, the drawing two cards, moving to the right suspect, the plus two, I've even seen some nutty numbers come and bounce that way. Changing location is awesome, if you don't text something, like to get, to deal with the decks that you love. And then, of course, getting the copy of the card. Might be my favorite piece of the entire kit. Ignoring Moongirl and just using Nico, which is why I just, I can't stop playing her and putting her into my decks. So that is five Nico, four Wolf. You're on four, buddy. Four. For
Alexander Coccia:me, it's gotta be the the good old baby land shark. It hurts that I didn't put him higher. It hurts that I didn't put him higher. But for, I mean, listen, he's 32% of the meta. I mean, it's not, it's not anyone's surprise that Jeff is incredible, but he is a two drop. He can go absolutely anywhere. He can go play absolutely into anything. But still, right, I think that the ceiling on Jeff is a little lower on some of these other cards I'm going to talk about, but still absolutely one of my favourite cards in the game. And if I was to do a top ten list in general of all cards, there's a good chance he's number four or number three there for sure too. So, right now on this deck sorry, this list, I'm putting him at number four. Yeah,
Cozy Snap:Jeff and Nico with a two, I was like, okay. They can both be in any deck, but which one do I use the most, and it is Jeff over Nico ever so slightly, mainly being able to move out of a location, playing back into it. Like, Jeff breaking the rules is fun, and the lockdown is great, but it's like all the other things that he does, it is just so damn good. I have Jeff at 3 for me. Alex, have him higher than the Jeff lover himself. I'm surprised. I love Jeff, buddy. So we're on year 3, and I'll just let you take it away with, Hi Evo now. All right. No, he's at two for you. Yeah,
Alexander Coccia:I did spoil the fact that high evolutionary is my number two Do you want to guess who my number three is? Nope. Okie. Yes It's Loki Loki's number three for me. Loki still remains like an absolute god to your card like legitimately We just saw we've talked about it a hundred times this podcast in the most competitive of circumstances people turn to Loki to win tournaments people win Turn to Loki to just get the dubs to level up in the ranked ladder to get to the top echelons of Marvel snap. And it continues to be Loki, even though like as a whole, I don't know about you, I'm seeing less Loki. Like, I just am, but he's still damn good.
Cozy Snap:For sure, I'm definitely seeing less of Loki, but just an absolute insane card to deal with. Again, it's just not, I know, listen, you can talk about High Evo, Alioth at 2, Loki at 1 for me. I still have Loki at 1 and Alioth at 2, and I think we just did a list of like, hated cards or villains, and it was the same intertwined. It is what it is, until they get addressed. I think Alioth is the ultimate I win card, and Loki is the ultimate deck that's built around. I think those two cards stand alone as Insanity. And, honestly, if we look at this entire list, everything out, everything like eight and above are just smashing cards. Very good, that can transcend a deck. There are some that are played by themselves, there are some that are great because they're versatile, there are some that are great because they have a meta deck around them. And then there's Alioth, right, who is the card of cards, right, the one ring to rule them all rule them all, my bad. So I have him at number one, so it's High Evo 2 and then Alioth 1 for you?
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, so for clarity, do you mind going through your
Cozy Snap:top three? Yeah. So I have Jeff at three. I have a life at two looking at one. All right. So I
Alexander Coccia:was Loki three, high Evo two, a life at one. So we, we kind of disagree on the high Evo there, but ultimately we do get the the Aliath call. And I do agree. And I'm going to go back to what I said at the top of this podcast or top of this particular episode, but long story short, I think that Aliath, my respect for life has increased with the introduction of blob. Cause if we didn't have a life. And if someone have, if you've lost initiative, right? Sorry, if you have initiative, you have no answer. You have no answer to blob. Blob's going to come down and be like a 75 or whatever it's going to be. And you're just like, well, I guess I just lose. Like I can't do anything here. Alioth is the critical answer for a card like blob. Blob will never be a 70 percent win rate card because Alioth exists, right? It is an evil. But with something like a Blob release, it kind of starts to feel like a necessary evil, and I don't know if I'm baiting anger in the comments section or not, but listen, I'm just saying, this week I have gained an appreciation for Alioth, because it is the answer to Blob, In that circumstance. Otherwise, if you've, you know, if they have initiative, you have the Shongers, you have the Shadow King, but otherwise, what do you do? I'm seeing
Cozy Snap:Shang Chi the most. I'm seeing Shang Chi the most as the answer to Blob, mainly. But if they, if you have initiative, then yeah, you are in tight water, right? And you better have piloted the game differently. I don't know how they're gonna handle this card. I truly don't. They, they just keep knocking a power back and being like I hope it works, but it doesn't, you know? Because people are still playing it. It's kind of like what they did with Galactus. It's like Galactus just kept being played no matter how many times they adjusted him, and it was like, well, It's not even about the stats anymore. It's about what he does, you know, to the game or whatever. And so it's a bigger conversation, I think. But you're also correct in what you're saying, because there's gonna be more blobs that come, you know. And will need something like a life. But right now, it's the, it's the strat of like, lockdown, play life. Lockdown. Play a line. And that's just what all these decks do well. Right?
Alexander Coccia:Ultimately. Yeah, absolutely. But like, I'm not, like, what I'm trying to say here is that, like, I think the strategy of trying to maintain initiative is super important. I've been playing two decks to counter Blob. I've been playing a lockdown based deck where I'm taking initiative. Playing Alioth to make sure they can't blob. I'm also playing a Silver Surfer deck where I'm taking initiative, owning initiative, and then playing Negasonic. And Negasonic has the same effect as Alioth, in my opinion, where it'll basically delete the blob because the blob can't really do anything anyways. Right. You still have Storm to lock down, stuff like that. So. And I'm using Goose, so I'm using Storm and Goose to predict where the Blob's gonna end up being, where I can Negasonic. And I've been extremely successful with that. But I do like the playstyle and the strategy of saying, Hey, you know what? I need to deal with this, I'm against a Thanos player, I know they're playing Blob, I need to hold initiative, maintain initiative for that finishing play. Now, if I don't have initiative, I walk, I know. I also have Shadow King in that deck anyways, but Regardless Alioth, number one. I think we both agree, absolute top tier card. And does it get changed in the future? I don't know. Like I tend to start to feel like it's getting to the point where it should be okay, cozy, but I digress. You know, maybe just, maybe it gets touched up a little more, but it feels like a necessary evil at this point. We're going to move on to our mailbag segment, mailbag, mailbag. And we got five questions from the community here. And if you're interested in having your question answered on the mailbag, whether it be about Marvel snap or literally anything, leave it in the comment section down below. Let's get started with question number one. Cozy. This is from Andrew. Andrew says great episode as per usual. How do you feel about deck trackers? Are they fair or are they unfair? What do you think, Alex? I think they're, I mean, interesting, because Blob feels like you make deck trackers mandatory almost. Like, you can do the math around Blob now, and deck trackers provide a legitimate advantage. What I will say though, is that if you really want to pen and paper a deck tracker, you can. I feel like they're fair. Yeah, they're completely
Cozy Snap:fair. Like, 100 percent fair. I think you know, even Ben Broad answered this a long time ago, like, even in tournament formats. Anything you can do on a pen and paper, as long as that's on a deck tracker, it's fair. Like, if the deck tracker showed what, you know, whatever you took from a deck that you shouldn't be seeing, or whatever it might be, then maybe not. But, like, if your opponent cabled you and you could see that, then that's not good. But, that's not how they're designed. So, I do think deck trackers are fair. Yep.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, absolutely. And like, I often find it valuable as well to like, be reminded what is in their deck. Although at my level, I often feel like I'm playing, like I can predict what's in their deck. Like most players I'm playing, I feel like they, they have their pieces. If I'm playing against a control player, I'm like, They, I know exactly have a life, they have their, you know what I mean? They have their pieces, but it can be a helpful tool to kind of be reminded of what's in their deck, especially as you start to do some math. But I think it really shines in situations where like you're playing like Jubilee decks, Iron Lad decks, stuff like you're like, what is left in my deck? Oh, I could hit, you know, I have a 33 percent chance to hit my Hela with my Iron Lad or whatever it happens to be. I think that that's where kind of, you know is more prevalent. And of course with Blob, because of the pure power potential that you can kind of calculate in the deck. All right, Cozy, thank you. And our next question comes from Willer Honey. How can free to play players collect cards that are not must haves in Marvel Snaps meta? It feels like I'm sacrificing cards I would play for fun in favor of cards that'll keep me from falling too far behind. Pay to play players. So I guess they're trying to like determine like is it hard as a free to play player to make the decision before like do I take a fun card like gladiator that I'm going to enjoy playing or do I have to like forget about gladiator and make sure that I'm saving up for that iron lad that's coming up in the next
Cozy Snap:cash. Don't ever buy gladiator. Yeah, I would say play the game to have fun, right? Like why are you playing Marvel snap? If you're playing Marvel snap to have fun in a mobile game at work, like play to have fun, man. Don't worry about playing the top deck. And, on that note, like, focus on one deck. I see people like, Oh, I should do this. Oh, wait, no, I'll do this. And then they have, like, all these other cards. Or, get cards like Iron Lad and Jeff that can be played across multiple decks and then build the deck that you want to go with. So no, you don't have to get every card, you don't have to get Blob, because Blob's just an extra piece into a Thanos meta that's gonna go and come and go, right? So dude, have fun with the game first, and second is like, just There's a million good decks out there. Focus on the one you like to play and get the cards that do so. And I know that like,
Alexander Coccia:there's a FOMO element of it as well. Like even as content creators, like when a new card comes out, like we all cover the new card and there's a lot of interest around the new card. And so like, you kind of feel as a free to play player, like, Oh, this is the one. I got to throw my, my my currency into and stuff like that. I think that being measured and waiting till the end of the week as we've discussed like, sorry, like four times in this podcast will help you make kind of more informed decisions. But ultimately, like I, we just joked about how I love playing Gladiator. The card's not a good card, but it's one of the most fun cards in Marvel Snap. And I think that there is a lot of value in literally playing the game for fun, as Cozy had said. So I know it's a difficult balance but that's a question that really only self reflection is going to answer because it's a challenging one. Our next question comes from Revi. What's your favorite thing to do outside of gaming and content? Cozy, you can't pick surfing, we already know that one.
Cozy Snap:Heh, yeah, but, this is how I calculated it yeah, I was like, Damn, there it goes, no, I just, everyone, I mean, obviously spending time with my family, doing different things with the kids. Hey kids, my kid and but other than that, I'm big, I'm a huge sports nut. So like, anything with live sports, anything, watching sports, I'm huge. You can catch me always watching the NFL and Red Zone, checking out NCAA games, keeping tabs there. Going to live baseball games, basketball games, I mean that's a huge epicenter of what I love, right? My, my father, my grandfather grew me up in that. And just, yeah, activity going on, adventures or something, yeah, I see that on everybody's, like, what do they like to do? I don't even know what that means anymore. But I'm, you know, loving doing that. I also love, like, fix up stuff, like, I love fixing up a house and doing, like, different Handy work and stuff. I find a lot of fun in that. What about you, man? Yeah, so
Alexander Coccia:for me it's like, number one is definitely spending time with my kids. I mean, it's, it's, I know it's cliche to say, but like, they really do grow up so fast and like, so I'm trying, I really try to make mental note of like, listen, I wanna remember these moments when I'm with them. And so like like that is by far number one. But the, the second thing that I'll mention that's not just like family oriented is I love writing. I do a lot of writing. That is something that a lot of people wouldn't know. Like I've, I've written like like, like books, stuff like that. I do a lot of screenwriting, script writing with some other channels and other projects that I work on more like a producer role. I'm not on camera in those types of projects, but like I recently wrote something that got it's at like 9 million views, I think it hit about 9 million views, a little short that I wrote for for kind of a production company, and then we have another one that's below it. Yeah. Thank you. It's pretty cool to see, like, Hey, I wrote, I wrote a thing and it has like 9 million views. Not on my channel, but like, it's kind of funny how that works sometimes, right? But yeah, no writing is something I just, this whole YouTube journey for me started as just a creative outlet. I never started to, to be like, hey, I want to do the number one podcast in Marvel Snap. Like that was never the true goal. It was, I want to like be creative. I want to have Fun doing the things that I'm doing. And and writing is one of those things that I do on the side that I truly find enjoyable.'cause I feel like when you write and you develop stories, like, you know, there's limitless possibilities and that's something I really appreciate.
Cozy Snap:Yeah man, that's Same here, dude. Totally. I was appreci it as a hobby. Anytime I get a comment like, is it too late to make content? I'm Marvel Snap. I'm like, I mean, dude, what are you, what are you doing it for? It was a hobby for me. It was a fun, and it was an outlet for myself. So definitely we answered that question before, but yeah, they couldn't agree more.
Alexander Coccia:The next question comes from Rambros. Is there a card you think it doesn't feel like the character it should represent? And if there is, what should it do with that? So I guess like, is there a card effect that is not representative of the actual character itself?
Cozy Snap:Tons of them. I think there's tons of them. I really do. I think they hit the nail on the head on a lot of them, but for me it's a lot, it's a lot of the Avengers man, like Hawkey I kind of wish did something else, you know, captain America, but out of all of them it's gotta be Dr. Strange, I think Dr. Strange, like, I just don't get it. He is like one of the best characters in the all of Marvel and. He moves a card. It's like, cool, man. He's a two card. I like, if I was coming in to snap, like, what the hell, man? This sucks. That's a bummer. Or I'd be trying to play him and be like, man, he's actually not that good. So Doctor Strange was a big whiff. I still think he's weird. I used to say switch him with Wong. Now I'm like, do something super cool with him. He does so many things within Marvel. That's what I want to see change.
Alexander Coccia:He can almost like I've done the Kang effect because his ability to manipulate the time stone. Right. Like I know the Kang effect is not popular or anything. I'm just saying though, that could have been him, right. That could have been Dr. Strange. For me, you know, this is a really random one, but I watched painfully the entire first season and the only season of Inhumans, because I was like really into like Black Bolt. I really wanted to watch the Inhumans. I don't want to be negative, but wow, horrible show, but regardless Crystal's in it. And I came to realize, and I did some additional reading in, like, Comics of Old Crystal, Crystal is way cooler in the comics and in, like, her capabilities than the game. Like, she doesn't just draw. Why would she draw a card? So, I'm gonna say Crystal, okay, who is the, like, a master of the elements, okay? She should, when played, put a negative one power on their side. And a net, and a plus one on your side. I feel, imagine she was a 3 3 that did a negative one on their side randomly, and a plus one on your side just randomly. I think that'd be really cool. Because she can like, freeze someone like an Iceman. But she can fireball like someone, like she can master them, she can do lightning, she can do wind. I like that one. She's pretty cool, I think that she could have had a little more flavour. So for me, one that came to mind was Crystal, because I had recently watched the show. And I think that she's way cooler than the card in the game. Love It. And the last question of the snapchat is, If there was one card you had to include in every deck from now on, what would it be?
Cozy Snap:That's a good one. Iron Lad. Because of course. Because he's the other cards in the deck. I'd play Iron Lad in every single deck. If it wasn't him, it'd probably be
Alexander Coccia:Jeff. You know what, it's kind of funny because for me it used to be Chavez, but obviously that's no longer the case. One could make the argument, and I know you're going to be like, Alex, seriously, you just gave her like a poor ranking. Nico, probably could be one that you could have in every single deck, because you can't even believe it. I mean, if you're going to have one card in every
Cozy Snap:single deck for the rest of your Marvel Snap, it's probably Nico, right? guys for coming to this episode of the Snapchat, Alex and I enjoyed you coming today, and hopefully enjoyed Both of the sides. If you haven't, go ahead and check out my episode. It's great. It's fantastic. And Alex is looking as handsome as ever in his glasses. Still hates Christmas and doesn't know who the hell Nate King Cole is. Hopefully you enjoyed today's episode. We will see you on Christmas Day. And until the next one, happy snapping!