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Selene: Merry Evil Christmas | Most Busted and Worst Cards In Snap's History | Havoc In Review | The Snap Chat Ep. 60
Is Selene the most toxic 1 cost card to come to the game? What cards were the most busted and trash in Snap's history? Who were the winners and the losers of the most recent patch? Join Cozy Snap and special guest Snappy Claus aka Alexander Coccia as they chat about this and more on this episode of The Snap Chat and every week as they discuss all things Marvel Snap.
Is Selene the most toxic 1 cost card to come to the game? What cards were the most busted and trash in Snap's history? Who were the winners and the losers of the most recent patch? Join Cozy Snap and special guest Snappy Claus aka Alexander Coccia as they chat about this and more on this episode of The Snap Chat and every week as they discuss all things Marvel Snap.
What's going on guys and Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays for those that are celebrating. We've got a special edition of the Snapchat today, really not all that much, but we're going to be having some holiday discussion, but mainly talking about the newest card to drop on Tuesday. Nothing says Happy Holidays, like Celine, gifting negative power and cold to your opponents. We're going to break down her, how good she is and why she might be one of the best one drops. To come to Marvel Snap, talking combos, synergies, and everything you need to know. Other than that, we're going to be talking about a really fun subject of the best, most busted cards to ever exist in Marvel Snap's history. Taking a look back, anything past the beta and beyond is fair game. And it's one of my favorite discussions that we've had to date. And then we're going to end it on the OTA changes, the winners and the losers of the patch. We're going to be talking about all of that today on this Christmas episode of the Snap Chat. And as always, on this holiday, I am joined by Snappy Claws, Alex Kocha, dressing up for the occasion. First of all, guys, Merry Christmas to you if you're listening today, this morning. We're hoping you guys A great morning, got all the gifts that you wish from Santa, and overall the holiday is great. How is Christmas over there for you, Alex? Snappy Claus, sorry.
Snappy Claus:It's been great, I gotta tell ya, the the elves have been working really hard in the workshop. They've been trying to brew some new decks, clap some cheeks, but most importantly, they're having fun out there in Marvel Snap. So I gotta say, the elves They're inspiring me on this holiday season.
Cozy Snap:I love the 12 days of Christmas when they talk about clapping cheeks. There's no way you can breathe in that thing, right? There's, there's no way that there's good airflow going on.
Snappy Claus:No, my glasses are starting to fog up as well, and I can't really see.
Cozy Snap:Snapper Claus is gonna die here on set to kick off your Christmas morning. Well guys, we're excited to celebrate the holiday with you. We've got a great Snapchat today, a lot to break down. We had the OTA that a lot of people were waiting for. We have some good subjects. I love that the card coming out this week, that we're gonna talk about, Selene, is the, the opposite of Christmas cheer. It's literally giving coal for all to hear. It's the most toxic card they could possibly release, which is probably why they did it, yeah?
Snappy Claus:Yeah, for sure, I mean like, Selene, I think is a great, like, kind of addition to the holidays. Because if you're feeling really good about playing Marvel Snap on Christmas, Selene's gonna come out and say, nah, bruh, like, heh, here to ruin the day for ya.
Cozy Snap:Dude, I can't. I'm, I'm in love with like, I'm in love with if Santa played like, basketball and or paintball and or just was a gamer. If Santa was gaming. You know Santa games a little bit. He has to, what is he doing all, you know, he's got the elves to do the rest of it. I just want to know what he's doing. I just, you know what I mean? Like he's not doing the presents. He's not supervising. He has like a hierarchy of elves. What is he doing all year? He's playing Snap. He's playing Snap. Yeah, that's a perfect advertisement. When you get pages in, he's playing Snap. He's playing Snappy around and watching Alex Coccia's Twitch channel. But yeah, it's something like that. Probably. Drinking eggnog and getting flirty with Mrs. Claus. Anyway, if your kids are listening, Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays for those that are celebrating. Alex, listen man, the OTA, we're gonna break it all down. But what are we talking about on your side of the channel?
Snappy Claus:Cozy, we're gonna be talking about Havoc in Review, giving our impressions of our first week with Havoc, an absolutely toxic card. And we're gonna be talking about the top 10 worst cards in Marvel Snaps history. I cannot wait to have that conversation with Cozy. And finally, we're gonna be doing our Christmas edition of the Snapchat Mailbag. I can't wait to get into it.
Cozy Snap:Are you a guy that puts up lights on the outside of your house?
Snappy Claus:Oh, I got lights everywhere. My kids absolutely love it. Actually, there was a problem this year because, so my kids really wanted like multicolored lights. And my wife's like, no, like we just do white classic lights. She wants like the incandescent soft white glow all around the house. She likes things being classy. I'm like, no, the kids, the kids, they want, they want some color. She's like, but the house is going to look tacky and stupid. I'm like, don't worry. I got it. Went to Costco, I bought, I spent like an absolute fortune, I bought like 2, 000 lights, a 12 foot Santa Claus that inflates on the front lawn. My wife, it's, we're going full cringe here in in Canada.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, don't worry wife, I got it. I got a 12 foot Santa ready to rock. So did you hang all these up yourself?
Snappy Claus:Yeah, yeah. I mean, I, I'm not able to get like to the roof roof, like, cause I can't do like the, the rim of the garage and stuff like that. I do all the bushes. We have this like nice tree on the front where I actually did like the full wraparound. It's legit man. It's pretty, the kids get hyped up when they pull up and especially with Santa, cause Santa's like huge.
Cozy Snap:I drink like double when I'm doing the Christmas lights hang up. It's, it's always like, I'm like, I can knock this out in two hours. And then it's like nine hours later, the sun's going down. I'm, I'm beaten. My back is broken. Like fun fact, dude, I used to I used to run a Christmas light installation business.
Snappy Claus:What, really? I always wondered about that. Did you used to install the the Christmas lights in the soffits?
Cozy Snap:So I did essentially, dude, this is, I look back, this is so funny, I was a college man and I, and this guy, this guy came to my house. Pre college, he rolls up in like a, like a Mercedes or something. He's like, yeah man, I do Christmas lights. I'm like, no way, this is lucrative. I've got to do it, right? So I go to the middle of nowhere, Lubbock, Texas. Went to Texas Tech University. And I went, dude, I was playing Michael Buble in like October, knocking on doors. Cause they do it early there. You know, they do, some people do it. You got to get out there. You got to beat the other people. And you go to the oldest neighborhoods, right? They can't do their lights. They can't do it. And they've got some money to blow. And dude, I was knocking door to door. October, I probably looked like a maniac. You probably couldn't get away with it nowadays. And I asked people if I could hang their Christmas lights. No insurance. No clue what I was doing. Dude, we had like a hundred customers. I blew it away. I did it for two years. It was great. I probably burnt down a lot of houses.
Snappy Claus:Yeah. That's, that's amazing. That's such a great idea. I wish I'd thought of it myself, except here it's like colder, it rains all the time, and then it gets icy and slippery. Insurance and like, some sort of like, jacket with like the tether would probably be mandatory.
Cozy Snap:Oh dude, I look back and I was like, I'm lucky I didn't die. I was wearing like, my dumb ass was wearing like, cowboy boots on a roof. I fell off, right? And I'm like, oh, the insurance will cover it. Wait, there is no insurance, so I just was in pain. But you know, you're in college, you just, you'll wipe it off. But definitely had some, You know, I've had better days. We we forgot to tell the customers we don't take them down. We don't take the lights down, we just put them up.
Snappy Claus:I'm trying to picture you with like cowboy boots, like climbing up a ladder into like onto like a roof and stuff, like just pure safety, like a hundred percent.
Cozy Snap:This is a hundred percent safety. Can you imagine though, somebody putting up like a thousand dollars of Christmas lights and you're like 90 and then we're like, Oh, we don't take them down. I'm wondering how many of these people still have them up. I feel bad. This was y'all. I mean, I was, I was young pop. All right. But like, do you think they still have them up?
Snappy Claus:Yes.
Cozy Snap:Anyway, happy holidays. Let's go ahead and let's kick it. Let's talk about, we have a lot. I know we want to get to the OTA. That's what a lot of people love to hear the feedback on. But let's start with Selene, the newest card coming out Tuesday, the day after Christmas. The, the kind of a sad day, I feel like, overall. You know, typically you're, you get the nice high of the holidays and you go down a little bit. Selene, my man, let's talk about if you don't know, she is a 1 cost, negative 1 power. On reveal, afflict the lowest power card in each player's hand with negative three power. Alex, again, happy holidays. This card is gonna just make people You know what, I guess we're coming off the Christmas hump and we're like back to reality. This is a back to reality card for Marvel Snap. Initial star ratings, I think obviously the OTA Took her down. I think I had her at about a four star. I can start, that's fine. With much higher, like five star must have for Junk to probably still essential in the Junk. In the Junk a little bit. I don't know. She's still really good. This, it went from like a four star easily no matter what to we have to see. And I have her around three to four and a half now. Three being the, that could happen.
Snappy Claus:I agree a hundred percent. You know, basically it was a five star card for junk, basically a two star card everywhere else. If that, and now it's like, it's, it's what happened around it. That is caught in problematic for the card that brings down its overall value. It's still going to be an absolutely required card for that archetype, that much is clear. The archetype is going to be significantly weaker without Celine. It's like, it's actually waiting for Celine to come to save it a little bit. However, the changes around the Black Widow specifically. Is huge and obviously Viper is huge too, but you still have a nihilist. Those decks are still probably gonna have green gollin, so like I think the deck design might shift a little bit, but the really powerful synergistic pieces have changed enough to take me a little bit off. Seline, I agree with your assessment probably about a three star now.
Cozy Snap:Now, before, as always, we go into all the politics with Celine. Let's talk about the spotlight. Listen, say what you will and say it's been a spicy month of Spotlights and we continue the spice. We had a good Blob Week. Havoc was, you know, solid too with the cards available and Nico. Dude, Iron Lad is the card of cards. This is what people have been waiting for. How long have we been waiting for Iron Lad to finally be in a Spotlight?
Snappy Claus:Me, I've been waiting forever because the number one comment on my channel is how do I replace Iron Lad? I'm actually sad. We're gonna lose all that engagement. All that YouTube engagement's gonna be gone because we're gonna have Iron Lad. It's a sad day for us YouTubers, but honestly, it's 100 percent true. This is like one of the most absolute sought after cards in Marvel Snap. I get the question non stop and it's an irreplaceable card. Its ability is never replicated, never intimidated or imitated. Maybe it's intimidating, but anyways, I'm getting confused. What I will say is what's not confusing is how good Iron Lad is, because he's incredible.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, the spotlight variety is the most scary thing I've ever laid my eyes upon. I was maybe you love it. I, you know. No, it's terrible. I, I can't even, I hope I don't roll. I legit did like a, HULK! Like what am I looking at here? But guys, on top of Iron Lad, Oh, you have a Constellation Prize, and a very fun card, and good in Ebony Blade, Black Knight. So, I'm telling you that, guys, this discard is on the rise. February's gonna be a sweet month, and so Black Knight's gonna get really good by then. So, this is a good week. It's, it, this is a great week. I'm telling you guys, it's definitely up there on my list of weeks that you might want to consider going for on the spotlight, and for that alone, and Celine's a banger! Seems like another like you gotta get it if you do play Junk at least and you don't have maybe Iron Lad. Let's go and talk about some synergies where we best see her. And I think really there's a lot to start with, but let's start with the Junk and more so let's look at the ability. On reveal, afflict the lowest power card in each player's hand with negative three, right? So what cards do you want to inflict, right? So my Kind of initial thoughts is you got to go with the hood to start things out, right? Like the hood getting things kicking and rolling adding to your hood that you probably plan on Destroying or pushing in one way or another is going to be one of the key targets but obviously we both can just sit here and say It's gonna be the Goblins. I mean, just adding, maybe not even Hob, adding to Green Goblin here, and making him a 3, negative 6. A 3, negative 6, Alex. I mean, this is a 5, negative 8, which, negative 11 is great, but once you're at negative 8, you're already pushing so much. Garbage, right? This is, this is a lane altering card.
Snappy Claus:Absolutely, and don't forget, there's value to occupying the opponent's space on the board as well. Like, that is worth something. You don't see a power reflection of it, but you are obstructing your opponent's ability to play in that location, which can be absolutely huge, right? And so, yeah, these synergies are going to be incredible. The only thing is that you're going to want them in the hand. And that's one thing that takes a little bit of power off of Selene is that if you're holding Selene and you don't have one of the goblins there, you're like, man, I kind of actually want to play the card it's going to hit. You know what I mean? And that kind of feels bad. So that, that makes the card feel a little more. But you're always going to have Green Goblin and Hobgoblin in the deck. You have one of two chances to hit one of them. And no, you're right. It's, it's a huge power play. I think it's a snappable condition. If you do hit the Green Goblin with the negative three.
Cozy Snap:So obviously like when I think Goblin, right? The first thing that comes to mind, what is this going to skyrocket in popularity? I'm telling you guys, it's going to happen. You thought you had problems with other cards. This is going to make Galactus decks all around. If you want Galactus to come back, here's your ticket, right? Oh, no, your Null has negative three. Doesn't matter. You can now maybe even get an Annihilus Galactus build together, something that works with some synergy there. Bro, this is Galactus's deck. Getting the Goblin at negative six, your opponent is going to be abandoning at least the first couple of weeks. Play Galactus like crazy with this card. Because people are not going to be assuming it, right? They should, but they're not going to. I think this is going to be the biggest rise in Galactus once this card comes out.
Snappy Claus:It's a great call out because even when Annihilus came out and Sentry was being tested with Annihilus, there were Galactus decks being tested, and they were good. They were positive 50 percent win rates, they had positive cube rates. They just weren't the optimal version of Annihilus. And so people kind of forgot they existed. You could actually play Galactus Annihilus deck right now and be successful. Like it is a good deck. It's just kind of faded from people's memories. And that's kind of what's interesting about Marvel snaps meta sometimes where good decks kind of get forgotten about. But like, yeah, no, I agree a hundred percent. Like when you have a negative 11 hob on your side, it's like, well, I think G Man might be coming for a visit.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, like Ravonna Galactus potentially is being a thing, and honestly, just Ravonna, we've never had a card that can take it's kind of interesting. If, as long as it's below Ravonna's power, we haven't had a card that can inflict your own hand with negative, and Ravonna, it does work like that. Like, Bast will ruin Ravonna's synergy, so you could technically discount any card of your choosing. Even it can't be Galactus, but it'd have to be under that one and down, you know, threshold. But that's some synergy that we're cooking up here, and you can get that Hobgoblin for negative 11. You can get the Green Goblin. You can Warpath throw him off a little bit. You have, you know, Alioth doesn't matter. Knoll doesn't matter if they get hit, even if you don't draw the goblins. This is a win more for Annihilus. Annihilus is already so good, and the sentry play is so hard to kind of Work out together. Now, keep in mind, sending the hood at negative six and Selene, right? Selene's negative one. Selene is negative one. So, she's gonna be in that package of cards that Annihilus sends over.
Snappy Claus:No, I agree 100 percent and like honestly, that's kind of why I took a little bit of like a star off because it does have a narrow application. However, it's gonna be a standout here. It's absolutely gonna be a standout and I want to also mention another synergy which I am most excited for. Because there's going to be times where, you know, you're going to have a turn one Selene, and you're holding on to Hob, or you're holding on to Green Goblin, and you're very comfortable throwing it out there, because like, you know it's just going to hit something in their hand.
Cozy Snap:After the OTA changes, I know we got pretty excited about like, Black Widow, and doing the follow up play, you know, Werewolf by night, you know, we knew that the Junk Bounce would be good, which I still think, again, as we've kind of talked about. Will be good. Viper. It's like they knew that Selene was going to bust it wide open. They knew Selene was going to be the final cog piece. And whereas those combos are still going to work, and you still can use like Selene to win those by a turn later on for Viper, you can do as well, but it's going to be, again, Later, per se, right? Because of the three who I think got hit probably the most, which we'll talk about on the OTA recap. Yeah, right? Doesn't it seem like they got ahead of it?
Snappy Claus:Yeah, they did. And like, it's a shame, because like, I actually really think that those synergistic plays were a huge part of Selene's appeal, and I think it takes a little bit off, because you might be thinking, Alex, there's only one turn later, but like, if you think about Like Black Widow's disruptive effect. It's most effective early in the game, right? It has that knock on effect of not drawing a card on turn two or three. And it's like, well, damn it. Like, you know what I mean? And so when you delay that, you do inherently reduce the power of that effect. So I think it's a big change. It really is a big change, but perhaps it had to happen. Right. If their testing is showing that it's way too detrimental, cause as it is, Annihilus and these types of disruption based decks are. Huge. Are huge, right? So.
Cozy Snap:Yeah. Dude, I honestly think this deck was going to absolutely destroy. And in the worst way, like, it's funny, like, destroy decks can be on top of the meta, right? And it's like, oh yeah, the Deadpool getting 50 power. But if it's junk for three weeks and everybody's on holiday, it's bad, right? We have Widow Bites shooting out Salines and Nihiluses and Hoods. The Werewolf was already just so dang good that I feel like they didn't want to lean into it more and into the balance archetype even more so, right? The Havoc play has been pretty nice too. We'll talk about Havoc on your side, right? But they kind of addressed that with Viper as well. You know, I was playing Junk Bounce with Havoc. I still think Selene is a very, very good card. But yeah, this will definitely have her take it here. Lastly, Alex, let's kind of put the bow on Selene. We have two last things to talk about. Don't know how we didn't mention it, but for one, let's end this topic with what are the biggest cards to target? Where Selene can also just really hurt opponent's decks. I think it's clear as day, right? Like, Iron Man is just a, just a brutal, I mean, a game ending card if Selene hits that. Anything on the top of your head?
Snappy Claus:I mean, off the top of my head, like like any, like, Arnim Zola, not that Zola really matters anyway, because actually, no, I take that back, because Zola's always zero, you usually throw in that location anyways. It's always been Iron Man that's been really frustrating, I think, for, for most players. But honestly, like, if you think about it, just anything that it hits. is good, right? There's obviously gonna be cards that like, so later in the game, cards that like you're holding with, with low powers, Cerebros, Mystiques, you might be holding on turn six is huge too, right? You tend to hold those back a little bit. I mean, but at the end of the day, like, honestly, I think that if you play Selene early and it hits a card, it's going to discourage the person from playing that card. Like they're like, Oh, I want to play this. Rescue, but like, now I really don't want to play Rescue because of that damn negative three. Like, I think it's just, it's a deterrent on whatever card it hits. And I think that like, it's important to note that like, we might, it's almost like Iceman, where it kind of derails their plan a little bit. Because you're like, do I actually now really want to play this card? You know what
Cozy Snap:I mean? Yeah, well, and Cerebro was a great point. I mean, that ruins Cerebro decks, which are getting a small uptick. But also, I don't want to just glaze by like Arnim Zola there. Because I'm going to be honest, if there's a Black Panther in a lane, There's times where, like, you don't attack that lane. Or maybe not Black Panther, Blob, I don't know, whatever. Arnim Zola targets. You don't attack that lane as the opponent. And there are times where it's 0 0. And you're hoping that Arnim Zola can tie that, just the 0 0, keeps it at that. And then you, you know, split it up, right? Negative 3, you then, you're losing that lane, like, completely, right? I get what you're saying, but I think it also could hurt you know, more than you might think. Well that takes us to our next subject, and that is one dude that
Snappy Claus:Woah, woah, woah, hold on, hold on. I don't want to interrupt, but I got a question. I was thinking about this, okay? We got Christmas Day today. It's important that we figure something out. Cozy, you are one of the finest groomed gentlemen on the internet. It's been established. We know that. This is, this is fact. I'm not just making stuff up here. Now, I have a question for you. Do you cut down your tree? Do you have like a fresh tree in your house? Or, I suspect that CozySnap has a fake tree because you like it just perfect.
Cozy Snap:Oh my god, I thought, first of all, that could have been like a Manscaped like ad or something like at the end just like And by the way, you too can Oh, we're getting to that. Okay, okay, I was just making sure. Yeah, I mean, we already talked about the Alex Coccia Diaries and the 50 Shades of Coccia. Anyway yes, I am I'm a fake I'm a I'm a fake tree guy. I Here's the thing. I think it's where you grow up, man. I grew up in Texas, you know? Like, we didn't have option I don't even think they had Christmas tree farms. In fact, I dare say, I don't even know if I knew it was an option. I think one year my mom did it and like she's like, okay, let's get a you know, real one. And it was so much upkeep. She's like, nah, we're done with it. And I've gone fake ever since, man. I've gone fake. It's not snowing, but it's not a white Christmas. It's a brown dead Christmas over here outside. Yeah,
Snappy Claus:too much upkeep. You're referring to watering it?
Cozy Snap:I don't know. What was in my words? I was, you know, I was a young pup. Apparently my mother hated They did you know, the real tree. I think there's an actual pretty big separation of fan base here, man. I think there is a big fake tree club and I'm happy to be a part of it.
Snappy Claus:I mean, listen, I know you said you're from Texas and it's like, I'm just trying to understand, like, what were you putting in the tree? Like, it's just water. It's not that hard. Were you putting like oil in there? Like, were you, you like well in to get some oil for the tree? Actually, I had not thought about this, but. Are there evergreen trees in Texas? There can't be, right? It's way too hot there.
Cozy Snap:No! It's cedar! It's Look at a cedar tree. It's the ugliest tree It's like, God's mistake. It's just a terrible It's a disgusting tree. You don't want
Snappy Claus:I didn't realize, you guys didn't put You don't put like, Christmas trees in. You get a tree and just call it a Christmas tree. So you just like, cut down like a Like a Like a regular tree?
Cozy Snap:No!
Snappy Claus:There's not even an evergreen?
Cozy Snap:No, they import them. And you just put it in your house? The The The importing exists. Importing and exporting, you've seen Seinfeld. It exists, you know, we're not putting any
Snappy Claus:Do you have trucks in Texas?
Cozy Snap:Let's get to the subject, okay? Are you good? Does that satisfy your question?
Snappy Claus:It doesn't satisfy my question. I'm actually upset, but you've answered it. Thank you.
Cozy Snap:So we can establish you are also fake tree?
Snappy Claus:No, I, I get out there, I'm in the snow. I cut down my tree, my kids pick the tree. I cut it down with a saw. I carry it over my shoulder, like an actual lumberjack in Canada. And sometimes because it's too big, sometimes I try to squeeze it into the car over the, the seats of the kids.'cause the, the place they kind of wind the tree, so it's like really tight. Sometimes I gotta like strap it to the roof and stuff.
Cozy Snap:You eat like a bowl of nails after that, have some, you know. Jack Daniels, like any other manly things you need to do once you've done that?
Snappy Claus:So yeah, after I put up the tree, what I do is I put up the Christmas lights and I stand outside for about half an hour and I just headbutt the wall of my house like this. Just to kind of get in the mood. And then I put up the lights.
Cozy Snap:Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm wearing a turtleneck, you know? It's like, I kind of, does this look like I'm cutting down Christmas trees? Probably not.
Snappy Claus:Does it look like I'm cutting out Christmas trees?
Cozy Snap:Abso frickin lutely. Most busted cards in Marvel Snap. This is a very fun subject, dude. It actually took me back, I really had to think about it. We're not gonna do the beta, because there's some truly wacky, stupid stuff in the beta. Because they were just like, testing stuff out. Since Marvel Snap's inception, and it launched, what were the best cards? Ever to exist in the game. You guys think the woes of today are bad? No, we've escaped them. And Alex and I have made separate top tens. And we're gonna put them to the test. Starting with number ten. Now I do want to say, this is a good one to say, do you have any honorable mentions here? I think there are some tough ones to divide.
Snappy Claus:I do have some honorable mentions that I'd like to make if possible. Now some of these have not been completely utterly broken, but for instance, an honorable mention, how do you not mention Dr. Doom? I don't know if Dr. Doom ever makes the top 10 because like, he was never broken, but consistently one of the absolute best cards in Marvel Snap that got nerfed for such a small point in time, and even the developers were like, no, we can't do this, we can't nerf Dr. Doom. He's never been broken, he's always been consistently one of the best cards in the game, but he's never been a problem. Dr. Doom deserves a mention.
Cozy Snap:Oh dude, I have, all of mine are just like, they could never exist today. They just could never, and Dr. Doom exists, so maybe, maybe that speaks to it, but okay, I like it. I have Lockjaw as one of my honorable mentions, when you could throw in as many as you want. Really good, don't get me wrong, he could never exist today, but as far as like, where it was, how good it was, he's right out of my top 10, and that just shows how insanely cracked some of these cards are. And I also have Quinjet there, which is another like, What? How do you have Kunja? It just couldn't compare to the other ten that I had on my list.
Snappy Claus:It's funny that you bring up these one drops because like for me just outside the top ten for me is was the OG Sunspot. Like Sunspot, like it's easy to forget how prevalent Sunspot was. Like if you go back to some of our prior Snapchats, we were talking about how like Like Sunspot was regularly a 1 9 or 1 12 or like some stupid amount, depending on the meta. Sunspot was one of the absolute staple one drops and it didn't get nerfed a lot. Like it was just what was it a 1 1 to a 1 0. But the meta evolved around it so much, right? And Destroy really came into being as like, we got a couple months for Destroy, got a lot of tools and Sunspot fell off. But like there was a long time where Sunspot was the only one drop you would have to play.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, no, seriously, there's, dude, there's so many cards that I thought back on. When I was like How do I not include it? It's so tough to, like, there's three here at the bottom. Like, eight and up, seven and up, I'm like, done. I, like, those are obvious to me. The ones right here on the cusp, like, one I wanted to mention was Darkhawk. I forgot what they did to him, but I'm pretty sure he had, like, extra power to his name, too. And, like, He, he was like, even more busted than he was now, yeah? I barely remember, because it was a very short stint live. He only, it was in December. Was he a 4'2 at lunch? Was it a 4'2? Dude, I think it was a 4'2 or 4'3, which is so silly. Like, I can't even, I can't even conjure why that was that was it. Someone can help us out there. I know, I know all the specifics on the ones in my top 10, but I left him kind of right out just because of that. It was busted, but Darkhawk was already, like, already good, and then that made him even better kind of thing. But anyway, let's start it, man. Number 10 for you, bud.
Snappy Claus:Thanos. Thanos with the lockjaw free th Wait, hold on, this is like the lockjaw Thanos combination. So this is half lockjaw, half Thanos. He was absolutely busted, but the reason why I dropped him down? Cozy's already upset. I told you not to let me start, man. I told you you were gonna get upset. You made me do it. Snappy Claws is defensive. Alright, we just start. You haven't even said anything. You're just giving me that look. I know what you're thinking, Cozy.
Cozy Snap:What if I was just like, great pick, you know? Ha ha ha!
Snappy Claus:Yeah, great pick, Alex. It's also my number 10 is what Cozy's going to say. I mean, Cozy, we literally went months with this card undiscovered in the meta, like completely unplayed until it finally took off, dominated, and then resulted in the eventual nerf to Lockjaw. And for me, listen, I get it. I, you listen, I got to admit. When Thanos came out, you said, Alex, this is gonna be the card that takes you to Infinite. And guess what? My first Infinite was on the back of Thanos Lockjaw. So I respect this card. It has a very special place in my heart.
Cozy Snap:Dude, Thanos, love the big bad. For me, my 10, it's gotta be Galactus. Now, people kind of forget, first of all, he had more power. Second of all Dude, you didn't have to be winning the location. You could play him wherever you wanted to play him, and then it was just about priority. And then you just Shang Chi'd him. Goodbye. Can you imagine this with Alioth and the Shang Chi together? This card was, not only was he like the most villainous card I think in Snap, but on top of that, he could never exist today. For that reason, I got him at number 10. We just finished talking about him, but he's definitely was just a new force to be reckoned with.
Snappy Claus:He was, and like, when he took over the meta, damn. Like, just damn, I have no other word for it. When Galactus was 12 percent of the meta, everyone who played Marvel Snap felt it. Felt it differently. You felt it when you went to bed. Like, you laid in bed, you stared at your ceiling, and you saw the hand of Galactus ruining your dreams, you know what I mean? Like, I totally feel it. Number 9. Now this is a little recent, a little more of some recency bias here, but am I going to call out the original 6. 5 Alioth? Like, do we have to not talk about how Alioth is legit? Like an absolutely insane release. Now it wasn't. Like, when we talk about broken, sometimes I wonder, like, man, there were cards that were a little on the higher end, but I don't think anything shook up the game as much as this Alioth did, and continues to shake up the game as much as Alioth has, so I think it deserves a place. It literally deletes unrevealed cards. It used to delete every single card that was played, regardless of its effect, right? I mean, listen. I cannot believe how over tuned that card came out as, like 6 5 that deleted everything, absolutely wild.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, for sure, man. I don't have him on my list, I think he definitely was very polarizing. You know, I don't think anyone, I think people can still argue that today, that he's still one of the most busted to ever come out. So I'm glad that he was on one of our two lists. No question. 9 is where I had a difficult, because I was going between two cards. One had to be left off, for actually some recent cards, kind of to your statement there. But ultimately, I had to go with the OG Wave. One that I forgot that I didn't have on and if you're going to talk about it later, I can definitely just not talk about it. But Beast, the 2 2 Beast, was like, what the hell? Like, looking back, I'm like, people forget how good that was. But Wave Wave, listen, even though Wave wasn't glaring crazy, Wave 5, Death Wave, you can't ignore it. You can't ignore how good she was, how many synergies she provided. She was virtually in, like, every deck, right? Like, Doom Wave was everywhere in the meta. How do we not talk about her as one of the most busted in the game, yeah?
Snappy Claus:No, you are right. She's not in my top 10, but honestly, like, she probably should be. And this has been one of the most influential cards. Not just, like, busted, like, we talk about busted sometimes, we're gonna be talking about cards that, like, legitimately, like, almost destroyed Marvel snap, right? Like, yeah. But, like, Wave was never quite there, like, never quite destroying the game, but, like, so damn close, like, skirting to the point of, like, Completely destroying Marvel Snap, like it was the highest you could fly without ever like having a dedicated reddit post about you on a daily basis. You know what I mean? Like that's what Wave did. It was just powerful enough that no one and everyone wanted to use it, but it wasn't like an Alioth. It wasn't a Galactus. It was like, it just slid under the radar enough to survive as long as it did.
Cozy Snap:I love that when people just, like, decide, like, Hey guys, we all good with this? Okay. Let's just, don't tell on me, I won't tell on you kind of thing. And, and then there's other cards where it's the picket signs, right? Next up is number eight, Alex.
Snappy Claus:Eight? I mean, listen, I've, it has to be on your list too. I'm going with that OG leader. OG Leader was absolutely disgusting. Disgusting! It literally copied every single card your opponent played. But, it had some fairness to it, because if you didn't have any room on your side of the board, it didn't copy. But it also had a very disgusting thing, which it still does today. If you actually threw initiative on purpose, and they played Silver Surfer, for instance, Not only would you copy their Silver Surfer, but you would copy their boosted cards and then boost them again. That was by far the most disgusting thing about Leader. For me, number 8, the OG Leader was absolutely just a train wreck of a card.
Cozy Snap:Alex is completely smashed on Eggnog. He's smashed, guys. The, the leader's gotta be higher. It's got to be, it's, I knew it.
Snappy Claus:Buddy, I, you have no idea, bud.
Cozy Snap:It had to happen. There goes my monetization right there. No, listen, man. I'm not even gonna talk about leader because of the disrespect. We'll talk about one of the most busted cards in Snap history, no question next. For me, next up comes Silver Surfer. I think a lot of people think this card was better than it was. You could almost look back at it and be like, Man, I almost want this to come back a little bit, right? But not fully because it was really good. For the meta at the time. We didn't have, like, anything that we have today. Sure, we'd have Zombo, we didn't have Thanos. Nothing, right? We had Thanos, but, you know, prior to he was good. So I have him a little lower than I used to have him. I used to think he was, like, the most busted card, but it's like, eh. I think there's way more ways to deal with it when you look at the grand scheme of things nowadays. I'd much rather have this than Leaderback, for example, or something. Or, or whatever other examples we brought up. Yeah. Do you have him later? We can talk about his thoughts.
Snappy Claus:I have him next, actually, so it's the perfect time to talk about him. He was my number 7, like, we almost actually nailed it. And, like, yeah, so he was a 3 0 that did plus 3, and it just created so much scaling, and it was, it was actually, like, the brood, specifically. It was so insane that plus 3 buffed, and then you add in the Nova, the natural tech with Killmonger. It was just crazy how good these decks were. And I honestly think that this was a very good change. Three, two plus two, a very well done nerf to the card that also made it feel relevant. So ultimately I'm happy where Silver Surfer is now. It doesn't have the verticality, like Subaction Shot helps with it. It's verticality a little bit. But it was completely broken at release. I wish I even played more of it. That's the one thing I take away from making this deck. I'm like, man, I wish I played more of the OG leader, man, man. I wish I played more of the OG silver surfer. Like it's crazy, but like, it's wild. Right. How crazy these cards were.
Cozy Snap:And I didn't even play. Yeah. Like I avoided playing them for whatever reason. I was like, Oh, I'll make these other dazzler decks. And then this, these were just like killing me over here. But yeah, so I have that at you had that at number seven, my number seven. Was Leech. Now, this was another card that I was like, wait, this was so toxic. I couldn't believe it. But honestly, it was always a 5 cost, right? And it could affect your your hand no matter what turn. They, they changed it to 6, you can't ramp it out. Like, at the time, it sucked, but I think, like, if I look at the grand scheme of things, I'm like, I think I could get over like, Leech coming out on 5 is what I kind of always hated. You're kind of screwed no matter what. Like, these days, you know, if Leech comes out, you're having a tough time either way. And it's funny, because Leech had this drop off, ever. For, like, 6 months after he got touched up, and he was Still as good as he is right now, right? But the Leech days were so tough to deal with, bud.
Snappy Claus:So Leech is actually on my honourable mentions. It didn't make my top 10. But what I want to mention as well is that Leech was also a product of the original Lockjaw. Because you would Lockjaw Thanos and he'd come rolling out on turn 3 and just dismantle your entire game plan, right? So that was one of the grossest parts about Leech. Because Leech gained popularity right when Lockjaw Thanos was literally spiraling out of control. Out of like a 64 percent win rate. I think Was it the highest win rate deck in Snap's history? It must have been close.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, pretty much. Leech Leader were the first decks, which is like just thinking about that. That was like the first that was when I met like Beara for the first time. Cause I think I, like, he made the deck and I was like, yeah, what is this atrocity? Cause remember, dude, that was the first ever deck that just took over Snap. I remember playing and it was all you're running up against. And I was like, what's happening? What, why is this the only card we're going up against? And back then it was just the fight to infinite. So yeah, no question. Just a tough card to face, man. What do you got at number six?
Snappy Claus:Number six, I mean, listen, I know this is probably your number one, number one in your heart at least, pull her up, five, nine, it's Arrow, that OG Arrow. I mean, it's, was it not a thing of beauty? Pulling every single card they played into whatever the hell location you wanted? I, I still can't believe the card existed as it did there. And like, if you're saying, Alex, honestly, I'm doing you like, It's completely disgusting here, and like, it should be way higher, like, I would agree. I couldn't do it emotionally, but I'm telling you OG Arrow has to have been one of the most disgusting cards in Snap's history.
Cozy Snap:So two things. First of all, guys, we got this sheet of creators and everything they, like, they did like a questionnaire before Conqueror's, and one of the things is, what is your most hated card? And everybody's got, you know, a low key, low key, low. And then I just see Arrow, and I'm like, who? And it was your boy, Snappy Claws. I was like, you SOB, just to get it out of me there. And secondly, buddy, how dare you? This was my number six, actually. I had Arrow right here. I had Arrow right here, buddy. Yeah, so oh, so good, dude. I think she could, in some form and fashion, survive today even with, like, Because of how Dexter played out, like, nowhere near. She's way too good. They'd have to, like, mess with her power. I think she's, like, a 5'6 at the time, though. Maybe 5'7. Maybe 5'7, I think is what she was. Moving every card they played was so cool, man. It was such a great effect. And I feel like, like, Alioth is the only one with this huge, like, blah effect at the end here. Whereas, like, if you had, like, Arrow, it's kind of cool. Because, like, you could move their Alioth and, and stop what they're trying to do. Like, you know what I mean? I, I kind of missed some of that for her. But she Man, I'll never forget the multiple conversations of having her at the top of my pool 3 tier list. One of my most viewed videos I ever had back in the day, and everyone was like, Aero, Cozy, you're on opium, copium, dude, and finally people came around to like, Oh, Aero's completely cracked, and then we started to see her in more Death Wave. The reason I'm so associated with her was this was my most played card from the beginning of Snap. Until she died.
Snappy Claus:Yeah, and I mean, she was the original Alioth. Yeah. The whole strategy around Arrow was win two locations and Arrow the third. Like, that was literally what you did, right? But you're gonna get mad. I don't want to see my five. Cause you're gonna get upset.
Cozy Snap:You've said that on every pick, so go ahead, tell me. Alright.
Snappy Claus:Five for me is High Evo, OG High Evo, even like High Evo now, like you really didn't get nerfed that much. High Evo, I think, is still absolutely cracked. When we saw High Evo being announced, we were like, guys, listen, not just the performance, this is the thing I want to really kind of talk about here. It's not just the performance of High Evo, because it's still a phenomenal shell to this moment. It's the fact that it exists. The fact that one Series 5 card, a Big Bad, changed everything. All these other cards that you've had in your collection. They even said, the developers are like, you know what? It started as just like kind of like a joke idea. Someone's like, Hey, what if we did this? And they're like, wait a minute, let's actually do it. You basically got a package of cards. It was like, it was like a buy one, get six free type thing. Just, I just, I love it. I love it. It's, it's one of the best releases they've ever done. A little OP at times, and it has been a tremendous performer. High Evil for me, number five. I just, I love it. I love it so much.
Cozy Snap:So I love you. I love that you have care and passion for High Evil. The eggnog's gone to you. Now, if you would've said, like, number 10, High Evo, I'd be like, Oh, yeah, it was pretty good. Solid pick. You're telling me better than Leader. Better than Arrow.
Snappy Claus:He completely took over the meta, but the nice thing about it was that, like, he was just good enough that he was able to survive way longer than those cards did. Because he consistently put up insane points, but never felt disgusting to play against. The only reason why he really got targeted was because everyone was friggin playing him. But, like, if you think about Leader, for instance, he got, he kind of got put down pretty fast. Right? Sorry, what was the other, the other one that we were just talking about? Oh, Leech lasted a little longer. Leech lasted a little longer than Leader did. Like, High Evo, to this day, has not changed all that much. It's still pretty, like, they nerfed the Thing's ability slightly, right? Like, it, it still holds, like, the same identity it always has. And it slid under the radar as one of the best cards in the game.
Cozy Snap:The thing for 5 is, I can't put High Evo above this card. Because I need to really, recency bias has gotten, is taking hold. I need to now steer the ship, and we need to talk about him. And I could put him at number one at times, but it was because he was with Lockjaw and everything that you said before. Truly, buddy, we need to talk about Thanos, okay? So Thanos on your list was, he was on it. I don't want to talk about Lockjaw, Quinjet, we don't need to talk about his surrounding pieces. Let's just talk Thanos. Now he was a little lower power, I believe. Oh no, he went up to, whatever, he didn't go up to 20, that's all I remember. I don't care about any of that, okay? You talking about a card that could do its own thing and just rule the game? Brother, the original Space Stone was the most busted thing that I think I've ever seen in Snap and went up against. It made This is why it's like, I don't even know how I don't put this higher. I I don't This They're all the same. Five and above, they broke the game. The Space Stone, where you could move a car to or from. That location completely killed control, completely killed the way decks are played, would completely kill all the decks out right now that rely on this. The Space Stone was the most busted card in the Thanos package. But then, if you just continue to go down the line and you look at all the other stones that got hit, obviously the Mind Stone just was recent, but you look at the the Soul Stone on top of this, too. The Soul Stone being able to give draw the heyday in the utility of Thanos. But most importantly was that space throw the space stone. That's why I've got him where I've got him here, and I think he's one of the craziest cards to exist.
Snappy Claus:You know, you're right. Like, the space stone was absolutely insane. It was one of the most powerful effects in the game because, like, you could literally lockjaw and then just slide something out and lockjaw again. Like, it was basically a free lockjaw cycle, right? And it's just, it's crazy how many straight bullets this guy has taken. Yeah. And it's not, like, Thanos went from a 5, a 6'9 to a 6'10. And so yeah, he gained two power with that, but how often do you play 20 Thanos? Like, what, never?
Cozy Snap:Like, how often do you play Thanos? I was actually thinking about this. I never play Thanos. Like, I never played the Thanos almost ever, which is so funny to think, right?
Snappy Claus:Yeah, cause you never have room for it, cause you play Time Stone, you play Professor X, then you end up Aliothing or Blobbing, like you're never playing Thanos. Like, if you want a big stat stick, you blob, right? You go, blub blub blub blub blub blub, and he's just way bigger than Thanos is. And then otherwise, you just Alioth. There's like, it's, it's, you're right, it's the stones, it's the package. I mean Thanos has got stones himself, we know that, but what I mean is like, he's obviously like, it's the entire thing. The archetype, that's truly tremendous.
Cozy Snap:What do you have at number four?
Snappy Claus:Okay, now we gotta start getting on to common ground here. These are, these top four are like the most disgusting cards. They're the most disgusting cards in the history.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, busted, stupid.
Snappy Claus:And I can't wait for you to mention one that I forgot. That's, that's the other thing I'm dreading here because, you know, we don't show our list in advance of each other and one of us is gonna miss something, we know that.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, oh for sure, right dude? Alright, hit me.
Snappy Claus:Number four, OG Shuri. OG Shuri, it absolutely dominated for the longest time. Cozy, what do you think?
Cozy Snap:So okay. I wanna know like your other ones too, but we can't yet. It's my next one, so I'll talk about it now, that's fine. I have Shurik at number 3, okay, not number 4, number 3. Busted. Busted. Guys, you could play your card anywhere, and it would get the double power. Busted on busted on busted. I couldn't believe this lasted so long. My god, this could be number 1. Again, I think every card I've mentioned here could just be the It broke snap. People didn't know what to do from this point. There had to be a patch, there had to be an emergency. Like, hit the red button. You could double your power wherever, man. Like, that is so good, so sh I just can't believe it existed, you know what I mean? Like, because the biggest thing is, you're like, well, why is that that big of a deal? Well, Alex, first, it was a 4 2, if that means anything. But more importantly than that, It took away the read. Like nowadays, you know what to do against Sherry, right? They could play anywhere. They could put this power anywhere. And that's what made it so damn hard to top, right? So that by far was the biggest Sherry's her own big bad.
Snappy Claus:Yeah, and like the package around her as well had not been nerfed yet. Like pre nerf Red Skull, what was it, a 28? Was it 28,
Cozy Snap:I think it was? It's 15, it was up to 15, and it got to 30 probably, it got to 30.
Snappy Claus:I like, see, I can't even remember, like, it was so, I'm trying to erase it from my memory, but pre Nerf Red Skull was absolutely nuts. Like, the whole thing was crazy. And then you add Sauron to the mix as well. Like, it's just It had wind condition after wind condition, and there were no soul reads. You couldn't soul read, and at best you're like, well, I'm going to sauce Shang Chi out there and hope for the best, right? Like that's all you could really do. And if like, the only way you could ever beat Shuri is if you somehow magically was able to flip the Red Skull lane, but you never were able to via straight power. You never had initiative. And so, like, it was so tricky. Taskmaster, at the time, Taskmaster, even if you Shang Chi'd the Red Skull, Taskmaster would be like, hey, zip into the graveyard, I'll copy that, thank you very much, right? Yeah. And it was actually your boy that said, hey, we gotta get rid of this Taskmaster scan in the graveyard stuff. That's like old school Snapchat right there. But anyways, yeah, the whole thing was a disaster.
Cozy Snap:Oh, such a disaster, man. So that meant, at number four for me, this is where I had Loki at launch. You know Silly, dude. I mean, obviously, we, like, you have to say, well, the collector with them, I, I looked at Thanos independently, so I'm gonna look at the same. It was a 3 5. The packages around it were cracked. The game was cracked. No one knew what to do about it. Everyone was so stoked at how cool it was until they realized, like, my God, what have we done? It was the same with Alioth. It was the same with any of these big cards. High Evo had his heyday, too. Where people are like, I can't wait for this card! Only for a week later for people to despise it. Loki was the king, the captain of that ship. And he came in at number four for me.
Snappy Claus:My number three, so we swapped right there, right? So, yeah, we're almost right at each other there. So I agree. And it's crazy, cause like, I know you were so hyped up for Loki. You were like, yeah, this card, it's me. It's exactly how I want to play this game. And like, we didn't expect it to be as over tuned as it was. I think we knew it was gonna be good. Like, I think you were like, no, this card's gonna be good. Discounting cards, it's always good in Marvel Snap. That's what we said over and over again. Discounting cards is never bad in Snap, right? We, I was blown away at how good it was. Blown away. You had Quinjet Synergy, but just, even without Quinjet, it was just so good. And what was crazy about it, it's like, hey, whatever you have in your deck, like, we were playing it up like, oh, you're copying your opponent's deck, how good can that be? Well, like, who's making trash to your decks? Like, no one's making, no one's going into ladder with absolute garbage.
Cozy Snap:For whatever reason, like, Loki wasn't seen as a threat. But yes, who's playing bad deck? Well, what are you gonna do with a discounted brood? It's like, who gives a damn? You have the rest of the cards too, that you can then just completely, Loki, we know about it by now, completely busted. Two and one. I know we've got the same one. It has to happen. So what's your two?
Snappy Claus:My number two is everyone's favorite pet kitty. It's not Goose, it's Zabu. Zabu's my one. Zabu's your number two.
Cozy Snap:That's your one? Who's, who's your two? Or one?
Snappy Claus:My number one is OG Kitty Pryde.
Cozy Snap:Oh, dude, I didn't even put her on my list, no. I don't think
Snappy Claus:Oh, why? You forgot about OG Kitty Pryde? One of us was gonna do it!
Cozy Snap:I don't know if I would put her I don't know if I would put I'm trying to think of every card that I mentioned here. And if I hated the OG Kitty Pryde the most. Oh! You mean like when it was like, broken, broken? Like, it didn't even have a week in the game?
Snappy Claus:Literally, you could select it, choose to bring it back to your hand. It did the whole zip thing.
Cozy Snap:Dude, that didn't even exist. It was one day, it lasted one day.
Snappy Claus:It was one day, but I got to play with it for that one day. I'm telling you, it was the best card in Snap's history. It was so fun and interactive. It could stay on the board if you wanted to. You could pull it back, you could move it. It was so fun to play.
Cozy Snap:I love that you could pull it. The mechanics, I hope, were turned around it. It was so brief, kudos, because it was so brief that I'm like, I didn't even think of it as like something that players had to endure. But if we're just talking what the title is, Most Busted Cards in Snap History, BingoBongoBuddy. Love it, man. It actually killed the game. Yeah, it literally killed the game. Dude, great pick there. I love it. My two was Leader. Hold on. Well, two Leader, one Zabu. Let's talk about Zabu quickly. You're like, what do we know? So what do we have to say? We've talked about it before. Zabu was stupid. Zabu was busted. Zabu was allowing you to play four cost cards for one, bro. Like, what? What else we got to say about it, you know?
Snappy Claus:I still, to this day, sometimes I go to bed after a hard night's work, recording Snapchats, I'm editing, three in the morning, laying in bed, I close my eyes, and I see in my dreams, Spider Man Absorbing Man. Yeah, I'm just like, I wake up, I'm like this, I'm like sweating, my wife's like, are you okay? I'm like, no, I'm not okay!
Cozy Snap:Friendly maybe, yeah, oh my god, I heard that. Friendly, and I was like, god, I swear to god, you're anything but friendly. Yeah, like, that was the beginning of the end of that Spider Man package, of like, him existing. So bad. And you had the Absorbing Man. And you had all these other forecast cards that could go with it. Oh, by the way, Shuri existed in that world, which I, what the hell? Like, just so stupid, so busted. Don't know who signed off on that one. But clearly died very quickly. Zabu had to be there. And then I had Leader at 2. So, Leader for me, man, I think you're doing a disservice of having as low as you did, man. Copying every card the opponent played. Every card, and that was before we even were good at Snap. The community sucked at Snap, bro. Like, nowadays, with that kind of power, it would not, no one would be playing the game. I mean, it was so busted. The fact that you got the stats afterwards, too, was the extra funny bit of the entire thing, and getting all the surfers. Broods and, and, they're boosted already and then, depending on the ordering sequence, you could get the broods out and then if they played surfer last, you'd get the broods that are already boosted and then you would also get the surfer. It's so stupid, man. It was the most busted card, in my opinion, in Snap's history. Leader, man, I miss him. In, in ways because of just how funny and ridiculous this guy was as a card. I had him at number two. What a segment. That's like, that was one of my favorites. We're gonna do that every now and then because I think it's just like a fun thing to revisit. But people have been waiting, we gotta talk about the OTA, the winners and the losers of this patch. You ready? I'm ready, buddy. Let's start with Ronan at the top. Now, I don't know if it's the most, the most exciting change, at the same time that we have been begging for Ronan to be good or viable in some sense. Alex, we got our wish! I truly think, not even because of him, but the changes around him as well, Ronan is gonna have, he's gonna have some viability.
Snappy Claus:It feels like he has a bit of a higher floor, which is nice, right? Like the, the ceiling on Ronan's now going to surpass that of Devil Dinosaur. But the challenge has always been that you can't control what your opponent does to a certain degree. Like you do have some agency, like, Oh, I barren them and I do master mold and stuff. And, but right as a whole. It's like the five power is significant. Like we often forget, we often kind of underestimate how powerful a single point or two points of power are in Marvel Snap. Like you lose tiebreakers on one point all the time, and you don't really think about it. This is a significant change. And I actually liked your idea in the past where you talked about like, Oh, you know, bring them down to four, right? We actually, we had this conversation, right? And it's cool because, like, at the end of the day, like, they keep him at five. They increase his power level, which keeps him analogous to something like a devil dinosaur. But they have improved some things along the periphery as well with some other cards that I'm sure we're going to bring up as well.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, so we can almost go straight to those. I'll say this about Ronin. We can't see if we get even a couple more cards that can feed cards to the hand. Then we're really cooking. And I honestly think, I'm going to talk about some synergies I think that are going to work with him. Like one that I want to point out before we get to the main card we're going to talk about with Ronan, obviously being Maximus. First of all, Black Widow curves out a bit better in that deck. Not so much, you're not playing like a bounce build or anything. But I actually think Mobius might have a spot in Ronan decks because you want to prevent these people from playing their cards, right? You don't want them to play cost reduction cards. And this is a good way to kind of halt that. To make sure that they don't get it and you're putting up so much power on the last turns. That it's kind of fine to eat it on three here, right? Because you're saving a lot of your pushing cards, things like that. So I think we just have to rethink how Ronin's gonna work. But the biggest change to me in the patch, no question, on the buff side, is Maximus at 2. 6. Listen, I'm sad about Surfer. I get it. It was a small margin of Surfer decks. But as far as plug and play ability, and the seven months nobody played Maximus And an answer to Blob and a great way to work against with Ronin decks on the last turn for cheaper. This is a win, man. I think Maximus is going to get more play and be a better overall card. And this helps Ronin substantially just in the stat department.
Snappy Claus:It actually is a huge buff because like 2 is one of those powers where like You can do a lot of damage with a 2 cost, right? Like, if you Sarah, it's a 50 percent reduction. You can match it well with a notable play on turn 5. There's so many things you can do with a 2 drop, that you just can't do with a 3 drop sometimes, right? And so, like, I love this change. It is one of the absolute high It is the highest statted 2 drop in the game. Obviously still a very negative effect. But if you're against a blob player, then maybe it's a little more positive. But with Ronin, you want to stuff their hand. And what's also notable is if you're playing Ronin decks and like you've, you've played Baron or you've done Master Mold, there's a good chance that their hand is so stuffed as it is, that maybe they're only drawing one card. Or actually you're like, you're actually like not actually getting much of a negative impact, especially if they're you know, a Thanos player and they're drawing cards and you play it. They already have seven in their hand. There is no downside to Maximus. So there's a couple of really interesting nuanced parts about the Maximus change that I'm actually excited to test.
Cozy Snap:So you could put five cards in their hand and put 10 power on turn six. Maximus, Mold, and Baron. That's kind of nutty. Like you can build up your Ronin. Massively, very quickly, and have respectable power on top of that. But more so, I think people are missing this, I love the Sarah point. But more so than just that, not only is he the biggest 2 drop now, power wise. But all these other ones, outside of Silk, but even, you can't control her. They have cons. They have, like, Lizard can't be played because of this, right? He can't be played everywhere, whereas this is just 6 power. Truly the best, like, last drop of the game kind of card. Anytime you lose one cost in only one PowerPoint, we saw it with Ms. Marvel originally. It's like, okay, this is insane. This is massive. I think this is a great free to play answer to Blob as well, which I was a big, you know, I don't know how much that'll be used. I, you know, who, who knows, but I kind of like that it's there as like somewhat of a valve of alleviation per se, if that makes sense altogether. Black Widow, listen, we talked about it. We talked about Black Widow. We wanted, you know, there to be some changes to her. They made it a little bit too good. And now, I think this is ultimately, I like this spot, right? Because you Black Widow's fine. It was the bouncing of the Black Widows, where it's like, Oh my god, it just was getting over and over and over. Whereas now, she's not going to be bounced whatsoever, right? I don't think that's going to happen much.
Snappy Claus:One thing I want to note though, is something that crossed my mind when I saw this Black Widow change, was this was a shadow nerf to Ravonna. We actually talked about Ravonna, but now Black Widow will no longer benefit from the Ravonna synergy.
Cozy Snap:You are correct, but I have to tell you man, I don't know how so many people missed it. I think they were We'll get to it. I'm gonna pause for a second on Ravonna. I think Ravonna got a buff actually. You get emotional. No, no, I think she got a big buff. Hold on, I'll tell you all about it. Really? You do? Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And by this point, it might be discovered. I'm filming this. It's not known as much. Let's talk about Surfer. Let's stick it on Surfer for a second. Punisher. Now, I had a meme on my video. What is Glenn do? Plus one power or complete rework? We went with the plus one power. This feels like the WOTU changed to me, but I do want people to understand something. 3 7 on the last turn of the game on Serra Surfer, where you want to explode, and you have a 3 7, you have a Maximus stat line, that everyone's playing these flood decks. He's not that bad. Like, this is now at least playable in Surfer decks. I truly think so. Punisher's still a garbage card, I think. I don't think he's gonna get a lot of play. But in Surfer specifically, I don't hate it.
Snappy Claus:I don't know if this is copium, but there's a chance that you can do, like, a Jean Grey Punisher style deck which, obviously, you play Punisher into the Jean Grey location, which kind of nearly guarantees his stat line, right? That could be something worth experimenting with. I don't know what the straight up power level of that is, but the disruption is notable.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, the Jean Grey is one route, but I'm just telling you, like, as I play Surfer out, right? If you just put him in a lane with two cars, he's Polaris. Like, that's it. And then we get him up to a 3 7, or a 3 9, potentially, or beyond. So, like, I honestly think Punisher will be there. I'm a little sad overall that this is the route they go, and I hope it's like a Band Aid to a much bigger Solution. We got the whole new card explanation. I hate it. I can't stand it. But now we finally get to use some really cool Punisher variants, I think, that are out there. So I'm excited about that. People love the Punisher 2. Just a great card. Bro, we gotta talk. I know, I know you're beaming. I know you're over the moon, my man. Over the moon! Listen, you know I'm not like the craziest Gladiator fan, or I wasn't. There are cards when they get a power increase, or a power decrease. Like, sure, you're like What the hell? Like, who cares, right? But when that power is directly It'd be the same if Black Panther got a power. You're like, okay, this, this affects his entire kit completely. Alex, this is, this is a nice change for Gladiator. This is the pre Nerf Gladiator that we were promised. I love it.
Snappy Claus:I'm, I was over the moon when I saw this. Like, I've been playing Gladiator in its prior kind of rendition. And like, it was kind of sad, but I still really liked it. 3 8, it's for the exact reason why you just said. It's not just a straight up power buff. It buffs the entire kit. It's a two pronged approach because not only are you buffing the amount of power that sits on the board, but you're also buffing the ability for his effect to trigger and also extremely notable here is the change to Chavez. The change to Chavez reduces the amount of cards that Gladiator was likely to pull from the deck and lose that fight with.
Cozy Snap:I thought about you, and then I thought about, I know people were sad about Maximus a little bit, but I truly, this is such a great change for Surfer too. Like, Surfer now also has like a, like, huge, tall threat that isn't just Brood as well. Like, Maximus was there too, but Maximus con was, you couldn't play it early. We're glad that you can play a bit more early, right, if you need to. And Alex, I pointed this out on, on, on the OTA here. We're both just so excited. You look at seven powers that he can destroy now, right? Because I think the tie at seven was brutal in popular cards. Annihilus, poof. Onslaught, who's getting so much popularity. He kills Onslaught. Pulling down an Onslaught was brutal, man. But now he just destroys it. Like, the eight changed to Legion.
Snappy Claus:It's great. You know, it's, it's going to completely change this card's viability. And it's going to be a little meta dependent, like in a blob based meta where people are just stuffing Giganto and Infernauts into the deck, going full greed for no reason, like you probably don't want to play him as often, but as the meta shifts, like it goes towards like a negative. Style meta, right? Like a surfer negative, like we saw before, he would absolutely eat those decks apart. Right. And so like, I think it would be a little meta dependent, but even still, even if you lose a trade, right, you pull out a card that you can't necessarily, like you pull out a Gamora, for instance, you lose that trade. At the end of the day, like he's still a massive statistic that's getting buffed across Nova, across Silver Surfer, whatever else you're doing. I honestly cannot wait. To play more gladiator.'cause I, I said it before, literally one of my favorite cards in the game, one of the most fun cards to play. He just, he was a little under two and now he's there.
Cozy Snap:Viper, like Black Widow felt like a change to me, whereas Viper felt like a straight up, just a bummer man. Like I I three four. Here's the thing. I understood junk. I didn't always play Viper on two. Right? Like I, there, there are times where the, the curve here is kind of nice. You have different things that, different play lines you can go with. But man, it's like Century Viper, dead in the water. Playing Hood Viper, dead in the water. Havoc, now you have to play differently you know. Albeit, you can still play Havoc on 2, Viper on 3. And you get more power on the Viper. This one was sad to see.
Snappy Claus:It was sad, and I think there, this is a bigger nerf. or change that people might originally realize for a couple reasons. One, it was not uncommon that you would do like obviously hood Viper, but also you oftentimes played something like a black widow. And then if you didn't actually pull anything on turn four or three, you'd actually Viper the black widow over because it's occupying space is only one power who actually cares. Right. It's just clogging. Right. The other thing that's worth noting here. Is that like with Vipers change, there's not, like it's not as easy to slot in, just like what you said with Sentry, right? You can't necessarily just, okay, well the two power's easy just to be like, okay, I didn't pull Annihilus, I can kick over that Void. The three power It just doesn't allow you to do that. It doesn't give you that flexibility. It's not analogous with Surfer. Like, it just, it cannot really play in Surfer very well. Yeah. It feels like a very significant change. And it also occupies the same energy as Green Goblin. So like, now it's like, you have a choice on turn three. Do I Viper what? Or do I Green Goblin? Like, it doesn't feel as
Cozy Snap:clear. Yeah, because four through six, it's like, it's Sentry Doc Ock. You know, you have other plays. Annihilus is in there. Again, it makes it a little junky. We'll touch on Martyr. She went up to 1. 5. Yay. To me, actually, I will say this makes her playable. As in, like, she's comparable to Titania now. If you played Titania, Zerolist, Zoolist, you can now put the double up decks in. Martyr, actually, whatever. I'm fine with it for now. I think it's okay. You know, I think it is. You know, I, I would like for her to go negative. We've talked about that, but I'll take a one five.
Snappy Claus:I think that eventually you have to release a card that's negative. That forces your point to lose the game. I think that's really cool. But actually at one five, I would prefer this over Titania. I think now Titania has like the junk effect. Like it has that big brain junk effect, but also it trolls you pretty damn hard very often. And so like, that can be frustrating to play with. At the end of the day though, if you have like, Kezar, if you have Blarvel and all that stuff, like, it's still a 1 7 with those buffs. Can a 1 7 really lose you the game sometimes, right? Like, can it? Like, it's, it's a lot of power still on your side of the board. So like, it makes it more interesting. And again, we said it before, you can kind of underestimate the power of one power. Yep,
Cozy Snap:absolutely. That was great Dr. Seuss rhyme. Okay dude, let's get to the two major shifting ones. We have Professor X going from a 5 3 to a 5 1. This is obviously huge. Professor X has never been adjusted. He has been kind of the, the ironclad for so long. One of my favorite cards. I love Control. A lot of these cards we've talked about, guilty by association, kind of like it's not exactly their fault. It's the things that have come out around them. Viper, Pro X, we're seeing this now. So here's the thing, guys. It's a holiday, so we had to film this a little bit early, right? And for whatever, everyone's talking about, oh man, the, the, the, the Thanos deck is ruined. It's a Ravonna card, and it's a Mr. Negative card at that. Who also continued needed that. I know we can't always go Mr. Negative. It's not going to boost him by a million. But Ravonna's with Mr. Negative at that. So now you have an alternate win condition. With Mr. Negative. An alternate of an alternate, right? Man, I'm pumped! Like, I We gotta focus on what happened here, and all the decks around it, but Ravonna!
Snappy Claus:You and I have been talking about Ravonna for months, talking about how good this card is. And it's funny how, like, you try and nerf Professor X in one regard, and then you kind of bring up another different beast, right, that could be potentially problematic. I love the callout, it's absolutely incredible. And I think that, like, you're also forgetting, like, goblins get kind of buffed by Ravonna, so now you might be able to sneak a gob and then throw down the Pro X, right? There's a lot of low key synergies and play patterns that a lot of players aren't going to be expecting. So, if you're quick to this type of gameplay, where like, you're going to sneak out that Pro X and Ravonna deck, you're going to catch people for AQs, you're going to catch people by surprise, because they're not going to be expecting it.
Cozy Snap:Is why we've talked about Ravonna being a great card. She's going to continue to always have something in the equation. If something goes down to 1 like this. I bet you that they thought about putting them at 2 just to avoid that potentially, right? And who knows? Maybe that gets boosted up if people start to really go that route. But obviously, this is good to tackle the majority of Alioth problems, the Thanos ramp problems. JeFf just outright beats him. Mr. Fantastic beats him now. This is a big nerf to X as a whole, though. Oh, it
Snappy Claus:is a huge nerf because also keep in mind, a lot of the ramping strategies have him being played on, on turn four, that forces you to not have the daredevil benefit. Like it's crazy. Cause if you think about what daredevil does, daredevil was hugely beneficial to something like a professor X. However, the strategy of time stone, Psylocke and all that other Ravonna now too, it all revolves around getting that professor X out on turn four, which does not actually keep daredevil in the meta at all. So I wonder if daredevils effect will benefit professor X because of how like. How much more risky it is to just throw out a Pro X and hope that it lands with only one power. So much more we
Cozy Snap:could talk about him though. Let's move on and talk about, listen, this, we are kinda, man, I don't want to say we're good, but we're good. We've been nailing these changes. We talked about it forever. I kept echoing this. If they took power away from him, no big deal. If they change his cost, bigger deal than that, right? And he's 5 card to a very good card still. But this is a huge hit to Wolf. What are your thoughts on the Wolf change?
Snappy Claus:My thoughts are that you nailed it. I said I expected him to go to 3 1. You called for power and it's exactly what ended up happening. So you know, kudos to you for actually being on top of the meta, knowing what's up. But what I will say is this is pretty huge. The key thing here is that obviously we're kind of delaying his play. Is huge for something like a werewolf by night, because it really takes that bounce side out of it, out of the equation, because you play them on four, what do you do, like you beast on five, and then like you try to, like it really, that delay is huge, because it really restricts your ability to bounce around with all the cheap stuff with, with beasts, because beasting on four, and then playing out all the stuff on five, and closing out the game on six, made way more sense. This is actually pretty damn significant. Moreover, he gets to the the, the Shaan Chi range a little earlier. I believe it's one, cause you go from three to three to five to seven to nine. Now he goes six, eight, 10. Yep. So he's at the Shaan Chi range faster, which is kind of notable because if like you're on turn five and they already bounced it around a couple of times and you're like, Hmm, I have initiative. I can punch this wolf out right now. It makes a difference.
Cozy Snap:So it's one thing I just don't want us to lose sight on when we have a car that's insane, like werewolf. We've talked about this all the time, if you guys listen to Snapchat. Forecast, 10 power is the threshold. 10 power comes with cons, you need to meet those cons, like TIE Fort Mary, like Sentry, and if you meet them, you have a great swing, right? It's three bounces, which is very easy to get him to 10 power, right? So Werewolf is still a very good Four drop at that. You can Zabu that. He is played into a lot of Darkhawk decks also, right? So you can go and have a lot of unreveals. Yes, it's a little wonky, but you can play out your cards in a way that Werewolf comes out on four. And you still have cheap options to build him up on five. Or maybe you bounced early on three, and you at least got Three one drops on revealed, bounce back for free, play wolf, then you bounce them all around, and then you have turn five and six. So it's not dead in the water, but it definitely takes a massive hit, and I'm gonna be interested to see kind of what happens. ToTheWolf, still a good card. I would not have buyer's remorse. Did you miss him at his peak? You did, but he's still going to be usable, I think, in a much different way.
Snappy Claus:Cozy, Havoc has been wreaking havoc across the meta of Marvel Snap. The newly released card has come out, and I'm, quite frankly, I think it's pretty cool. What do you think about Havoc, Cozy?
Cozy Snap:Dude, I, thank you Snappy Claws happy holidays to everyone listening. I hope that Havoc would get more cards just like him. Because he is, in my opinion, one of the most difficult cards. To use in the game. Because any card like this, I mean, we've seen this with Junk. We've seen the win rate of Junk decks been bad forever, right? Because when you give it to the, mass majority, which we're seeing with Havoc, the stats are horrible. Havoc is so much micro managing in your brain. When to play him, when to send him, what decks to put him in. Do you want your opponent to even have him? Do you want to put it in there? Do you have him in the right location? He's Havoc. He's causing Havoc. All my brain cells, he's causing Havoc and Snap. It's a card that I didn't want to like, almost. And then I ended up liking him the more and more I played him. I had it out against him, like, in my early testing. Like, I was like, he's gonna suck, he's gonna suck. And then I kept being like, hey, I kinda like this a little bit. I kinda like this a little more. I still, if he wasn't a bad Spotlight week, it would be an avoid for me, probably. Like, ultimately, for like, 99 percent of the player base. However, I think he works. I think there are some really cool decks. I think with Maximus change more powerful two costs like this. We can start to see kind of maybe a rise of a big two cost deck. The energy reduction and the, Flexibility of playing on 4 or 5 and capping your energy, bouncing that back. I kind of like them.
Snappy Claus:The bounce energy was pretty cool. I thought that was a really creative approach to the deck building cozy, and I actually really liked it. My experience with Havoc was super positive. It's, people ask me, Alex, you seem to really like Havoc. Should I get him? And my answer was always the same. Do I like Havoc? Yes. Should you buy him? No. Like, honestly. Because like, it's one of those things where like, first of all, you want to wait to see how the meta evolves around Havoc. And like, Ultimately, we say this all the time, right? You definitely want to wait till like the weekend to make a decision whether or not you want to purchase a card, right? Because like, I know you can get caught up in the FOMO, but like Havoc's one of those cards you really want to see how the meta evolves over the week. Now, for me, what I ended up leaning towards was I was trying to like the Havoc kickover with Viper thing and like, it was fine. People would usually just leave, right? But obviously that's been, that's been neutered, right? That's actually not going to be viable. With the change to Viper and it's kind of delaying it. It's still okay, but it's not as good as it once was. What I will say though, is that the best deck that I was playing with Havoc is this one that's on the screen right now, and I'll read it out to the audience here in the audio viewers. I was running a Havoc deck, which was a wave five Havoc deck, which ran Nebula, Nightcrawler, Havoc and Goose, Jeff, Mr. Fantastic, Storm, Wave. Jessica Jones, and that's not an error, Jessica Jones did make this deck, Miss Marvel, Alioth, and Doctor Doom. The thing I loved about this deck is it was designed to deal with the blob based Thanos meta. You lock out a location with Storm, you lock out another one with the Goose, and then you earn initiative. You're taking them with Alioth and Blob doesn't even exist. Had a lot of success with this deck. In fact, during the Twitch drops, I played this deck for hours and hours and hours. We climbed about 30, 000 ranks and that's not a joke. Well, 30, 000 ranks. I ran about a 58, 59 percent win rate with it. And honestly, it was really strong. And the thing about Havoc that was so good was that when you played on turn five. You wave and you Havoc, it gets the plus four, but most importantly on that next turn, I can still Alioth, I can still Doctor Doom, and I'm getting a Havoc that goes plus four. So if you think about Doctor Doom, it's 15 power across the board. But it may as well be 19, because Havoc is rising, so it increases the value of that location. Absolutely loved Wave 5 with Havoc.
Cozy Snap:The plus 4 that he gets, people are just underestimating it all the time. They forget about it! They do! I've won so many games that people, because they just forgot, he keeps climbing, right? Even I forget at times. And I want to kind of touch on that. You play him on turn 4, he's protected from Shang Chi, but he goes to 12 power. You play him on turn 6, if he gets Shadow Kinged, no big deal. He still goes up to plus 4. Only card that can do that, right, in a sense. Valkyrie, he goes up to 7, wins the lane. He's got some protection against those cards. What I loved, and I love the fact that you went that route. I went the bounce route, and why I recommend people against it is even as a, somebody who plays the game all the time. Bounce is truly, just like move nowadays you have to be all in on the archetype. It's the hardest, in my opinion, to really play at the most competitive level. And then you're adding this card to that equation. When Chavez, the nerf happened, Darkhawk Balance, one of the best decks, got a major hit. And ever since then, there's been kind of this Annihilus Bounce deck that's been doing pretty hot. And it's a decent place to play Havoc. But for me, you need one last finisher card. And that's where Legion just made all the sense in the world. Because you have all these cheap cards. Legion kind of helps out the locations that you need to buff up or change those locations to get rid of the Crimson Cosmos. Maybe you put a, you know, there's a lot of instances where I love Legion there. And you can kind of swap out that 5 drop for other things that you might want to throw in there. Havoc's a tough card to play. Let's get that straight, but I think ultimately, I like them and I would like to see more cards where ultimately they look bad, but they have kind of a high IQ overall. Certainly though, he's not for a good chunk of the player base.
Snappy Claus:The thing I kind of came to terms with as I played the card was, in this particular deck that I was talking about, you just don't play him early. You have to play him on turn 5, and that's a little bit restrictive, right? You play him early, then everything falls apart. But with the turn 5 wave, he makes sense. Then again, you're like, well Alex, that's a pretty heavy restriction. Yes, it is. I'm not playing a zoo deck with a squirrel girl and a whole bunch of other stuff that I can just throw out with three power. I get it. Right. But at the same time, it's a very functional deck that uses this card to really good effectiveness. And the thing that I love that you touched on is that the floor on Legion is surprisingly high because it is resistant. To Valkyrie, it is resistant to Shadow King. And this is something that wasn't really touched on prior. It does bounce up to four power. It will reach under goose and go to two, eight. It's incredible what it's capable of doing. And yes, it's restrictive, but I think it's a temptation restriction where like you have havoc and you're like, it's turned to have a two drop. I play him, right? I play him, right? No, you don't, you don't play him. Right. And that's the restriction, but you have that incredible verticality that I think is really rare and snap at a two drop. It's just, I like the card. I don't know what else to say. I really like it.
Cozy Snap:He's great in locations. He wins flooding. He wins big house. You know, he has a lot of locations that, like, he can just win outright. The last thing I want to touch on, the biggest debate is, do you Viper him? And I'm always on the, no Viper, that whole thing was overhyped with Martyr and all that stuff too. Guys, it's a yes, but only if you have the tech cards to do it. The reason why we did the Viper in the balance deck build and why it was so successful is Shadow King and Shang Chi are both in that deck. So now even with Viper now, you, it's tougher and much tougher at that because Getting them out on three was crucial because you don't want to lose the energy. You end up taking the hit with Viper still at times, right? Depending on how it plays out and when you have to play Havoc down. But, if you play them on three, you are able to go ahead and Shang Chi them, or you Shadow King them, and you do have an answer. Because kicking that Havoc over is, like, really good for them too. They have a big power card. You have to have a way to deal with it. And over time, I found over like a hundred plus games that I ended up enjoying that, you know, good amount.
Snappy Claus:For me, the kicking over of Havoc kind of died with the change to Viper. Yeah. Because, like, you had Ravonna, you had Psylocke that you were able to get on turn three for the exact reason why you mentioned. You don't want to eat that energy, right? Now, The decks that are often being utilized there often have a top end of Annihilus. So if you lose one energy, you can still do your thing. However, it means you can't turn six Annihilus and a demon, for instance, like it does, you pay a price. You pay a price when you lose energy in Marvel snap. And usually you just snap into it. You kick it over, they retreat and you smile on your face. And that's fine. The change to Viper, I do think takes it down a little bit. I would rather see Havoc used. As a five head, two eight power card from five and six turns five and six. For me, that's where it fits the best. And maybe it's best for the meta that the Viper play is actually not as good as it could have been. Like it actually was pretty good on the original version of Viper, but now that everything changed and everything's been modified, I feel like a lot came off it. Maybe that's not a bad thing, Cozy, I'm just throwing it out there.
Cozy Snap:It was one of the first times we've ever had a Havoc in Review or Card in Review, and the OTA affected the Card in Review on the first days played, and then later. You know, it's like a weird Card in Review kind of thing that we have to do. But you know what? We're gonna have to see how Havoc Ages overall, and let's go ahead and talk about it. People think he's one of the worst cards in the game. Let's talk about the top 10 worst cards, dude, in Snap history.
Snappy Claus:Alright, Cozy, now we're getting into the subject that I've been waiting for for what one might say an entire calendar year. And that's to discuss, at the end of this year, 2023, the worst cards in Marvel Snaps history. As they stand today, and as they stood. Back in the day at release, even in the beta in some circumstances, there's cards on this list that have been disgusting for literally since the moment Marvel Snap was released and we're going to be talking about them in a top 10 ranked order. Now we're doing something a little different here, Cozy. How do we change the format ever so slightly?
Cozy Snap:Yeah, so we're going to do it together. I think there's cause here's the thing, we're going to have a lot of the same ones, I think. Like, right, like, I was even thinking of when I, when we transitioned to the other screen, I was like, what card do I even have? I don't even know where this is gonna rank on our list, but I was like, this has been the flavor topic for a while, so we're gonna have Martyr as the disgusting card for now. But yeah dude, I'm excited we have our list combined, guys. For the top 10 worst cards in Marvel Snap history. Now this is like, also, can we please buff these cards? Pretty much every card on this list needs some type of a buff. Maybe not Martyr if she ends up on it, but other cards maybe. Maybe so. Alex, do we have any honorable mentions to kick it off with?
Snappy Claus:Yeah, let's kick it off with our honourable mentions, Cozy. Once again this is a list that we both have decided on here together, which was actually a ton of fun off screen, too. Honourable mentions, can we talk about Morph? I was never sure where to actually put Morph. Like, is this car just straight up terrible? But, or is it just meant to never actually be played competitively? Like, you know what I mean? I wasn't sure how to place Morph.
Cozy Snap:Morph to me, like I, Morph was one that I didn't have on my list. Like, there's a couple where I was like, Eh, I don't know if I see it that way. Because, like, it's almost like the Martyr Effect, where it's like, it just needs to exist, almost, and stuff. Like, he's so perfectly bad, and good, and loses, and wins. Like, if you're a Morph player, you're casual, and you're having a good time, right? Like, he's the ultimate content card, but as far as, like, just, like, not competitive? Yeah, like, he probably is not on anybody's list.
Snappy Claus:Yeah, and what about M'Baku? Like, not having M'Baku in this list was kind of heartbreaking for me. Like, listen, I've tried to make M'Baku work. Like, I got this pixel of M'Baku that I've been committing to try to get, like, an ink split on. Like, it's hard when you're just losing game after game after game, and he's, he's literally, like, always in your hand. So, M'Baku, look at that! That's the same pixel that I'm trying to get split there. I just can't do it, man. I can't do it.
Cozy Snap:Seriously, when you don't even make Cerebro 2 most of the time, unless you're just trying to have a good time, you know he's bad. I feel like all these cards are just fun content plays, you know what I mean? Like, in general. But what's not a fun content play, and, now, after the Smart Decks came out, like, Glynn, you've been sleeping on this secret deck with Spider Man 2099, and then the Smart Decks came out, Alex, I'm like, here we go, I have every card in the freaking game, surely this will make the secret sauce of the 2099 deck. Doesn't exist. Not there. It's not, it, listen. He doesn't make the top 10, but clearly this is not a banger card. And this is not even had like some of these cards even today, like they may have had like a small, small heyday in some kind of list. Not 2099, they never, never.
Snappy Claus:Yeah, like a good example of that is like, a Yellow Jacket, right? Yellow Jacket had it's moment, where like, it's been a pretty awful car, but it had it's moment with that Jane Foster list. That actually was Glenn's, Glenn's list, right? That kind of came onto the scene. Like, and it's been terrible other than that. Exact one deck for two weeks where it was playable, but yeah, Spiderman 29, 9. It just never quite kind of made it. And another honorable mention we have to make here have to is Uatu. I wanted to include Uatu in the top 10, but I actually play Uatu every once in a while when I get a little you know lubricated off the eggnog. And I gotta tell you, it's. It's bad. It's bad. It's not good, but it's not as bad as you probably think it is. It can be helpful sometimes. I got to tell you.
Cozy Snap:I love the word lubricated. I think of inebriated lubricated. It's just like such a good word. Okay. Well yeah, good honorable mentions, man, but they don't even come close. They don't come close. So what we thought were the top 10 worst cards in Marvel Snap. Buff these cards, Glenn Jones. Please, we beg you, going into the new year. Kick us off, Alex, number 10.
Snappy Claus:Number 10? She's in a bundle. She was, I mean, she's got some of the best variants in the game, and you'd hope she's gonna get buffed eventually. It's Elektra. Elektra at number 10. This card is complete filth. It almost could have risen higher, but there was one saving grace. There have been times, specifically, with like, back in the day, early Marvel Snap launch, when Sunspot was everywhere. We talked about Sunspot on your side as an honorable mention and Elektra actually had a role to play there, because sometimes on turn 5 or 6, you can just, Elektra just snipe that Sunspot, and they're like, Wow, my 9th Sunspot's dead. What do I do now? Right? But outside of that, this card's a straight up trash heap.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, dude, it's just not a great card. In fact, like, even the the animations are great. The pop out effect with her leg there kinda looks weird. But besides the point. The thing about Elektra is Glyn Jones just mentioned it. He was like, we're still trying to figure out what to do with her. There were whispers, I remember. Somebody once said, like, do you think she could destroy a 2 drop? And at the time, I kind of almost wish they kept that, but then like Luke Cage, Elsa, all those stayed the same. They're kind of dealing with two drops their own way now with the nerfs, so maybe not that anymore. I don't know, I think like we maybe get out of our heads that she's a one drop, maybe she could do something else entirely. And anytime, like we saw it with Wolverine, anytime there's a new Destroy card We love it, right? So, it could be interesting, but for now, I don't play this card. I never play it, like, I have 4 variants with Electra, and I have 130 boosters. I think that's like, and I've been playing Snap for a year and a half. I think that's all you need to know.
Snappy Claus:Yeah, that's basically everything you need to know. First of all, I think we're the ones that said the 2 Destroy 2 Drop thing. I think there's a little bit of deja vu there. But one thing I will say is Electra might also be kind of victim of the new player experience, right? Cause like she will feel good and like that, like I'm learning how to play snap. Oh, look, it's a kazoo deck on the other side. Electra. Yay. Like I, there's that probably element to it, but competitively, this card sucks. Number 9, Cozy, bring us in to our number 9 worst card in Marvel Snaps history.
Cozy Snap:Okay, so it's Mantis, but it's not even the Mantis of past. I think the one cost Mantis was actually like, playable is a stretch. But it was better than it is now. A 2 3 Mantis, dude, this card is getting zero play. None. This is such a bad card from start to finish. Now, if Blob continues to rain down, and maybe get a little Blob counter in there, that's about the only thing I can think of for use. As a 1, I'm like, you could maybe make something to come together in Conquest, or Jean Grey Deck, something. 2 3, complete trash. Mantis is garbage. And really, like, I don't think we have any others on the list. Just the Guardians of the Galaxy outside of Gomorrah almost feel underwhelming. They just, like It's such an iconic group, they're so cool, I get that they had one heyday, but like, Mantis, who has some of the best variants in the game, we gotta figure something out with them, and Mantis leads the pack as one of the worst.
Snappy Claus:Yeah, Mantis is an absolute trash heap. Like, not only does the effects suck, it's kind of like, it's standard statted. And, not only that, but you have to soul read your opponent, where basically they can play on three locations on turn two or three or whatever. Like, it's so hard! Like, when you're playing Alioth, like, you're locking things down, you're you got all these predictable elements. Mantis, you're like, lol, 33 percent to, I guess, draw a card from their deck?
Cozy Snap:I like okay, actually, here's a good point, though. What if they gave every Guardian of the Galaxy card outside of Gomorrah, because she's just great stats, okay? And ability plus the power gain. So Star Lord, rework him completely, Mantis goes to 2 5, and you take a card. Groot does X, and does X. You know what I mean? Then you are, yes, you are like, you have the soul read, but you get a big payoff. You get two things cooking at once. I kind of like that.
Snappy Claus:Yeah, so Lizard just dies, I guess?
Cozy Snap:That's what you're saying. She gets a soul read, though. It's tough, you know?
Snappy Claus:Oh, you're saying she gets buffed. I thought you, okay, I understand. I thought you meant she was just a 2 5. Like, what happens if the Lizard dies?
Cozy Snap:Yeah, Lizard dies. Yeah, no. She can become a 2 5 like Star Lord. And then also, she gets you'd have to take it to like a 2 2. And you get the effect. Groot's the same. He would go up to 6 or whatever. And then Groot also gave nearby cards plus one. Like, they combine and you get rewarded on the soul read.
Snappy Claus:I like that. And you're right, like, it's such an iconic, I mean, there's other iconic cards on this list too, right? But Gardens of the Galaxy specifically are so iconic. They have been kind of done dirty. And Mantis has always felt terrible. Like, there's just never been a, like, name one deck you'd play Mantis in.
Cozy Snap:None. That's the correct answer. Yeah, number eight, Alex.
Snappy Claus:Number eight this is where we chose Martyr. Martyr has been absolutely disgusting. The card I mean, we, we joked about, like, someone's gonna try and figure it out. People tried and it's, it has not been figured out. In every single deck that I tried, like, I did the whole Shana, Dazzler, You got nowhere to move, Martyr. You can't lose me the game. Card still sucks, cause it still found ways to lose the game. Like, it just The text is, I actually think the text is pretty cool. I like the text. I like the flavor of it too. Like, I kind of like the idea, but like, it just, it doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense. Like, I almost would like to see this card being like Like like a one negative something and then like you kick it on to their side like I'd rather it be a junk card I think that'd be more interesting and still flavorful. It's just the card sucks, man.
Cozy Snap:It's so bad It's like if this was at the launch of the game this card would have been reworked in like nine OTAs by now It's just a garbage card and like there's no point to play I hate this like as we go up the list like you'll just see the hate continue now there are some cards that we put higher because it's like Who the hero or character is, what they deserve to be, they're bad as well. Martyr just sucks. We hate her. She's not good. She's just here for X Mansion bad roles, I guess moving forward. Moving on. I can't even think about it anymore. At number, what are we at? Seven here?
Snappy Claus:Yeah, we're at number seven and one of the most powerful heroes in Marvel as a whole, but one of the worst cards he knew right away, it's Adam Warlock. I mean, and here's the thing, one of the most powerful effects in the game, like really, like, honestly, like this is a tremendously powerful effect, but as a two zero, like this card has never seen. Play, it's never seen the light of day, and there's been chances where, like, actually, ironically, in, like, the Nebula Guardian season, like, early kind of you know, pen and paper decks, it was, okay, maybe we can use Adam Warlock, and we Star Lord, and we Drax, lol, and all this stuff, and we feed them into this location, and then I ultimately never work, because you're still playing a 2 0 in a game where You need power to win the board, like, what, like, what are you gonna do with Adam Warlock?
Cozy Snap:They gave him the MCU treatment, where they like, let's just not put him in the Infinity Saga, like, it's like, let's just not put him in Snap. It, it is truly like, I think last week someone asked this on the Snapchat, like, what's one Hero is disservice. It's Adam Warlock. It's how do you have this character so bad within the game is beyond me. It was Hulk for a while, then we got the evil Hulk. He needs to do something better. He needs to do something in general. Maybe give him plus one per turn somehow. Maybe give him plus one per turn and nothing for no reason. He's just a 2 5 at the end, and then you have to like challenge. We've talked about it. We've tried to figure him out. A 2 1 will win you it at first. Maybe you do that, and you just try to soul read where they're not gonna play. He needs something, Alex, because he's too iconic, and he's too trash. He's played very little, and even if you're playing him in negative, like, congratulations. You could be playing a better card. Adam Warlock's not it.
Snappy Claus:No, I know. And the only kind of moment where I played him a few times, another reason why I have any boosters of them at all was with Bast. Like I tried to play him with Bast and like, he could feel good. Like he feels good when you Bast him on turn one. And then on turn two, you play an Adam Warlock, it's a two, three. Yes. That is the one time, the one time where Adam Warlock doesn't feel like an absolute trash heap but Honestly, in every Bast deck, he just doesn't make the cut because like. He's inconsistent, and there's just way better options all the time, and those types of decks, whether they're Cerebro decks or whatever, have very specific cards that need to exist, and Adam Warlock just doesn't make the cut.
Cozy Snap:He didn't even make Ravonna builds, and Ravonna, like, could've loved this card, and that's how you know. It's like, if he's not making Ravonna builds, what are we doing? What are we doing here? Guys, oh my I So we we've been talking, because we can't even remember. I try to delete alt F4 this thing from my effin brain. Baron Mordo. Not exactly an iconic character in Marvel. And definitely not an iconic character in Marvel Snap. Did he get buffed once upon a time?
Snappy Claus:Yeah. So while we were making this list, it was funny. I'm like, cozy. I think this is the buffed version of Baron Cozy was like, Baron's gotta get buffed eventually. I'm like, I think he has been buffed. He was worse before. I don't even remember the effect, like that's how bad he was. Did he give you a draw? I still don't remember the effect.
Cozy Snap:Did he give you a draw and was a cost to six?
Snappy Claus:Dude, I, he was, no, it was always something they drew. He sucks. It was always bad. I still don't know.
Cozy Snap:He's so bad. Dude. He's such a trash card. Like. But the fact that, like, you have to even play this guy to play Ronin, even at that, isn't that good? Baron is so bad, like, even in drafts, even on X Mansion, I'm just like, great, I gave him a draw, it's so, it's, yeah, he's trash.
Snappy Claus:Yeah, and I think it's sad to say that, like, I was experimenting with Ronin quite a bit, like, maybe a month or two, no, two months now, and I cut Baron from my, like, Ronin list. I was running Crystal instead. I was running, like, everything else except Baron, because the card is an absolute trash heap. But, like, there is something to be said, like, if, oh, it's a Silver Surfer meta, and you just turn their Silver Surfer into a six. Like, okay, yeah, that could be impactful. But, you don't know what you're hitting. The stat line is just fine, and you're right, Cozy, you're still just drawing them a card. And I love playing Baron on turn two and then them snapping. Because like, oh, they just drew a lithe. Like, great, cool, awesome, right? Yeah, this card, if it's already been buffed, it was not buffed enough, it's still super sad. It's not iconic in MCU, it's not iconic in Marvel, it's not iconic pretty much anywhere, and it's There's a good chance this card just stays forgotten. Like, I don't even know if it ever gets buffed. Again.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, hot garbage. I'm running out of words for like, hot garbage. I gotta keep coming up with like, trash, whatever it might be. Next up, dude, we've got Strongguy. Pre buff Strongguy. Now, buff Strongguy isn't like, much crazier. Pre buff Strongguy was consistently the worst card in Snap, even by the stats. On the play rate, on everything around him, not a great card. He has one time to shine. And it's right there with Elektra. It's at the very beginning of your Marvel Snap experience, when you can actually get away with like a blade deck, trying to get the hand empty and do kazoo. You got the strong guys at the zoo, as a lot of people call it. That's about it.
Snappy Claus:Yeah, this card's been terrible the entire time. I mean, like, it's just been so unplayable. The, the effect It's so hard to trigger and it's even worse now, now that Chavez got changed, right? Like, it's even worse, and so like, what do you even do with this card now? Like, it's just dead in the water, it was bad then, it's terrible now I honestly don't know. Like, does anyone even want Strong Guy to be relevant? Like, I, I don't, I don't think so, right? Like, it just Could it be a card that just never exists ever again in the meta? Like, is that, is everyone fine with that?
Cozy Snap:No, actually people love strong guy. And I, I kind of did see it. Like he is kind of cool in more of, I saw that eye roll over there, you know, and then I saw a little like. Who, who likes Strong Guy? There's a guy I saw at the very beginning of Snap, made a video, whenever Snap came out, like why Strong Guy should be better, and like what would fit his, like, skill set more. It was kind of a good watch, I have no idea what it was, someone's gonna have to go find it. I think Nando at the movies? I don't know. Either way Strong Guy's trash, we know it, and maybe he'll be better one day. Alex, what could possibly be worse than that?
Snappy Claus:Well, there are cards, Cozy. Four more cards, in fact, that are worse than Strong Guy pre buff. I can't even, like, saying Strong Guy pre buff is even funnier in and of itself, because it's like, wait, if you got buff, it still sucks. Number four is a card that could arguably be even higher, but it is an absolute trash heap, one of the worst cards in the game, but apparently beneficial to the new player experience. Cozy! It is Quicksilver, the card that always starts in your hand. I thought Umbaku always started in your hand. But apparently, by text, it's actually Quicksilver. One of the worst cards in Marvel Snap.
Cozy Snap:He's so bad. He's We have a common theme. We're saying a lot of times, like, Hey! The new player experience, I mean, there's new players in the game, but just how, you know, like, is it worth Quicksilver being complete, like, this is, there's a lot of cards in the game, and I'm like, maybe one day, maybe one day, I don't think Quicksilver ever, ever gets buffed, ever. I think this is it. This is the trash heap we get forever. Forever.
Snappy Claus:This effect is unique enough, it's okay that a card occupies this effect, even if the card sucks. But like, does it really destroy the game if he's a 1 3? Like, does that actually destroy the game? Maybe it does! Maybe actually that tips the balance of the game. But like, remember Quicksilver, in your opening hand, it denies a draw. It's not like Agatha. Agatha's an extra card in your hand. Quicksilver denies the draw. It's like the opposite of the Chavez effect, right? Oh, if he didn't? You become less likely to draw your cards. Like, it's actually really bad from that perspective. And the thing that actually is in the back of my mind that's kind of funny, cozy, 100 percent there's going to be like Quicksilver truthers in the comments. Like, I know it's going to happen, right? There's going to be someone in the comments that's like FYI, Quicksilver's actually broken terrible card, and no he's not. This card is complete trash. If you are playing Quicksilver right now, you need to stop immediately and put literally anything else in your deck.
Cozy Snap:Anything. Anything. Martyr. Just try something else because of the draw mechanic. They could never make you draw and you get him in the opening hand. That'd be the most busted thing in the world at that point. Everyone's only playing Quicksilver at that point. He becomes one of the best cards in Marvel Snap. Like, it's so funny how that little text Changes it, right? Because you'd give them the Chavez effect at that point in a sense within the deck. And that's exactly what they're avoiding. So they will never do it. Next up is kind of more of a recent one per se. It's OG Snow Guard, Alex Snow Guard. Snow Guard. She, you never saw her. These variants are amazing. Guess what? You never saw it because when you played her She would either go, haha, she'd either go to the hawk or the bear. So like, you didn't even get to control what these effects do, and like, you could, like, top, you know, roll or high roll the snow guard hawk, and you're like, cool! But then you would get the bear, and you're like, I wasn't even trying to get that effect on this location. So bad that, like, people call, like, Oh, Nico's coming out, will she have the snow guard effect? Right? I saw even the top players with Nico, because they thought it was going to be snow guard. And, like, what snow guard brought to the game. Travesty of a card. And they finally did it right by releasing a buff alongside her and thank God, because this was a series five card.
Snappy Claus:You're right. Actually the original snow guard was analogous to what Nico is now, not from a power standpoint, but from a mechanic standpoint, she effectively just switched in your hand to the bear, the hawk or whatever, right. And it never had the consistency you wanted and the effects weren't actually that strong. They just weren't that great. So there was just never any reason to play snow guard, absolute trashy card. And then when it got changed. It became one of my favorite cards in the game. Like, this is actually one of the redemption arcs of Marvel Snap. Like, that's a whole other conversation, but Snowguard literally gives me hope for the rest of the cards that we're talking about on this list. Because Snowguard was one of the worst cards in the game. Unplayable. I remember seeing like, people Tweeting at me. I remember Reddit posts of people like literally like I'm uninstalling the game. I got my series five card. Remember when like you only got one, like every like thousand something collection levels. I got my one series five card and it's snow guard. GG. I'm out. Like literally every day that was on Reddit. And so when it got changed and it was just before it entered the spotlight caches, I think it was like, awesome. It was like, yes. They did it. They fixed Snowguard. It was a ton of fun. And I'm trying to remember, she got nerfed, didn't she? Like, she got changed. Yeah, because the Snowguard Yeah, because there used to be two costs.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, the Baron, yeah, which was even more busted at that point. So, like, even with the nerf, she's still good. She's still playable. Thank God they changed that, but easily is like the redemption arc of there's still hope for a lot of these cards out there, Alex. We got two more.
Snappy Claus:We do. Technically, it's three. And I mean, in the comments, people gotta know what they are. Like, they gotta be guessing.
Cozy Snap:They gotta be guessing. And we're gonna combine them together a little bit with one really stealing the show. Guys, the Punisher. The Punisher, and then we're gonna throw in Captain America. Captain America is usable to some small, very small, very small extent, but because of his notoriety, it's my number one card I want buffed in Snap. The number one on the list is Captain America, because I need to see that iconic character. It's a travesty that he's still bad. It's kind of hilarious he's still bad. For new players coming in, you talk about new player experience, and one of the most iconic heroes is Trash. But then there's Punisher. That's a whole new level of garbage.
Snappy Claus:First of all, Cozy's drunk. Captain America is actually not our top. There's one worse than that. He's looking at the list! You forgot about the worst card in Marvel Staff's history, buddy!
Cozy Snap:No, I know that! Yeah, yeah, no, we're doing the Punisher and Captain together. And then number one, we have number one.
Snappy Claus:Oh, so we have two for number two. Yeah, yeah. So you just did that again. You just added multiple, okay. Just for the record, I did not do this. CozySnap adding multiple cards to a single slot in a top ten.
Cozy Snap:I had to put Captain in there. I had to sneak him in there.
Snappy Claus:You know, Cap does deserve some special mention there, too. He should have been an honorable mention, really, but yeah. Cap is the one that we really want to see buff. Like, that is truly the one that, like, come on. One of the most iconic, like, my son went out as Halloween as Captain America, a little Canadian boy with a Captain America shield, as American as America is, running around, yelling, throwing the shield around, like, yes, this is what people, like, love about Marvel, and he sucks, he's terrible. But Punisher, like, is way, well, I think Punisher's worse than Captain, Punisher's 100 percent worse than Captain America, this car just sucks, so. Friggin bad, it's unbelievable.
Cozy Snap:But Alex, what's the worst card in Marvel Snap?
Snappy Claus:I mean, I think that everyone knows the worst card in Marvel Snap. In fact, it blows my mind this card has never been changed. At the one cost, it's Angel. Angel, one of the least playable cards in Marvel Snap. One of the least satisfying effects in Marvel Snap. One of the reasons why Destroy sucks, until like, like basically Series 3. Like, it destroys Borderline Unplayable. Cause this card sucks so unbelievably bad. And it's a shame, because he's legit, like, one of the most iconic Marvel heroes, unless you open up the first, like, Marvel comic book, and I'm almost 99 percent positive Angel's, like, on the front page, like, like, Angel's there! It's like, Angel's one of the originals, and it's like, he's so Bad, and it's so sad, because like, we've talked about in the past, like, there's gotta be ways that you can use Angel, like, Imagine the Angel existed, we're like, oh, they're playing Alioth on me, and Alioth's gonna destroy my unrevealed cards, and Angel comes out of your deck, and just takes it for the team, takes it for the team, you know? That would be so good, it would be so good. It comes out of your hand, and takes it for the team, Alioth, take me instead, Angel says, as he looks up into the sky.
Cozy Snap:We almost talked about this a year ago, like this exact, but we're like, this would be so cool, it'd be great for Angel. Nope! He's just sucked this long, he's been trashed this long, and they even said, Well, we've got a lot of, of our VFX teams working on the game modes, we can't get to Angel because he would require VFX. Hey, guess what? It's time! We gotta get him! The VFX are ready! Show me Angel! Show some love for Angel! Borderline, him by the way, and Electra have so good backgrounds, like, it was just taking that in, I never see him, never get to watch, see the backgrounds, cause I never see him play.
Snappy Claus:Dude, this guy looks exactly like you, I never see this variant, like, it's literally you in a, like a jumpsuit here, like, if this was, like Captain Canada Cozy, like, you would wear a suit like that, like, look at, he looks like you, actually, and you're You're cut like that.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, my quads are a little smaller. The 10 abs is what really gives it away. And then he's got the muscles on the muscles. When you have these side muscles, like, dude, you got to find other hobbies but the gym. This is just, you're yoked. You are, you are big, big, big, big boy. Angels, complete garbage. And he rounds out our list as the top card that's just hot trash. Santa's dump. Horrible.
Snappy Claus:Absolutely horrible. Worst card in Marvel Snaps history. Cozy, you know what time it is.
Cozy Snap:Mail time. Mail time. Mail time.
Snappy Claus:Mail bag time. It's mail time. That's right. It's a mail. I was gonna say Tim the Toolman Mailbag Taylor, but that doesn't make any sense at all. I messed up the reference.
Cozy Snap:That eggnog man is hitting you hard over there. Yeah, really hard here. What do we got? What are the questions? Last time we caught a little heat. People like the responses. I like that. I like the heat. I'm ready for it. What do we got?
Snappy Claus:Question number one for our mailbag segment comes from JME and it reads, What would you want them to add to the autofill feature to make it even better? Mine would be to have the ability to say what cards you want to leave out of decks on purpose. Cozy actually showed the perfect example of why I want this feature added by trying the auto fill to replace iron lad. That was in your video. Actually, I did. I watched that video cozy smash the like button as I always do. And I was like, Oh, cozy has a point. What does auto deck fill feature? So cozy one chance to the question from J me. What's the question? I know, basically the question is, is how would you improve the Autodeck feature, but they also said, like Cozy said already, like, XP cards.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, yeah, well, past Cozy said but nah, I think they did pretty good. Make the variants the ones you chose, don't know who thought it was a good idea to do random variants in there. And then other than that, maybe Honestly, I think it's good outside of that. Maybe a bit more variance per se on that, and like, if you take a card out, maybe it registers that, or you can X cards out that you don't want included so it can make it a bit more specific. I don't want the same Killmonger in my Surfer deck, you want something different. That would probably be my take.
Snappy Claus:I have a small quality of life feature that like, I would love. Love in the auto deck feature. I would love if it told you somewhere, just in small text, what, when the day was the sample was taken, like, like data as of like February, whatever. Like it would be so cool if you generate the deck and it said data as of, and it said like the prior day or something to let you know that you're getting data that's relatively new. I think that would increase the confidence in the deck builder that people could be having. And you know what? Like there could be times where it's like, give me a martyr deck. And it's like, Oh, best deck as of. And it's like two weeks prior because no one's playing martyr. And like, I think that that would be a very cool transparency feature that would increase confidence in the deck builder overall.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, dude. I like it for sure. That'd be cool. And I would make like Excel sheets with that bad boy. Just getting like all the data together. Hit me with the next question.
Snappy Claus:Question number two comes from Juan Carlos and it reads. I have a daughter, 10 years old, and we share the love of Marvel Snaps since its release. Now we share Marvel and board games as passions. Alex, what hobbies do you share with your children? And Cozy, what hobbies would you like to share with your kid when he's a little more grown up?
Cozy Snap:I was gonna say, mine's like sucking on like a wooden hammer downstairs, so like not a lot going on over there, but Yeah, man it's tough because it's like, I feel like I've answered this in the hobbies that I do. Naturally, I think you want your kids to pursue hobbies that you do as well. For me, I'm definitely gonna be coaching my kids in sports, right? So, like, I'm a big sport nut, so. We already got him in soccer. I already looked into it. One year old soccer. I have no idea that's gonna work. He's probably gonna be just literally just rolling around on the grass. But coaching and taking an interest in whatever sport he chooses. If he doesn't do sports Big prayer there that he does, but if he doesn't do sports, then you know, just like being there as like, a figure that can lead in whatever that he wants to take interest in for sure. Surfing, skateboarding, those things as well. Being a daredevil his mom would hate it, but I love it.
Snappy Claus:Getting out there. I like that. I don't know if you would know this by the way, but I actually I coached soccer for like 15 years I got like a whole bunch of certifications in it I actually used to coach the be part of the Toronto FC Youth Academy program where I would teach like little kids Particularly I worked with the young goalkeepers. Yeah, so if you ever need any advice or help with coaching soccer my man Just let me know.
Cozy Snap:You look like a soccer coach. You know what I mean? I can look at you like if I was driving next year and I looked over And I saw, you know, I was like, that guy looks like a soccer coach. That's what I would say.
Snappy Claus:Sometimes I look like a paintball coach. Sometimes I look like a Sandy Claus. And I guess sometimes it looks like a soccer coach depending on the day.
Cozy Snap:Yeah. Yeah. They're all kind of, they're all around Costco. They all kind of just one echo sitting around Costco.
Snappy Claus:Yeah, so with my kids, I mean, my daughter's seven, so like, right now, like, for instance, for Christmas, I don't want to say it too loud, but, I got her this, like, board, it's like a introduction to Pokemon, like the actual trading card game, where it's like a little, like a board.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, yeah, yeah, my brother, my brother got that, yeah, yeah, yeah, for his daughter.
Snappy Claus:Yeah, so I, I got it for my daughter too, because I want to start playing, like playing that with her and introduce her to board games specifically, because I think it's a really social thing. I actually told my wife, like, hey, like, I actually want to start doing, like, family board game nights, because I think that'd be cool once the kids get a little older. Two of my three sons are, well, they're four and two, and the best they can do, we put on Super Smash Brothers, and he's just button mash. The, my favorite thing is my, my two year old, once he, like, runs off the screen, he will, like, he throws the controller. He's already tilting. He's like, no! And he just throws the controller. Like, that controller's expensive! Okay, you're not getting the, the Nintendo Switch Pro Controller anymore there, buddy. And then the, my other guys like you, just, he's, like, just playing with little, like, he's just hitting toys. He's, like, seven months old, so. But I, I'm looking forward to it, honestly, and I really do hope that My kids kind of take on some of my passions. One funny thing I'll mention though, is my daughter with her iPad, she'll walk around and like make videos and stuff. And she, she'll talk like a YouTuber. Like I'll hear her finish her video and say, make sure to like and subscribe.
Cozy Snap:Oh, dude. I love that. I'm going to grab my kid. Be like, don't do YouTube. You don't know. I know. No, definitely, I think it's only natural. Like, you know, I looked at what my dad did and took an interest in that. So it's only natural that I'm sure. If I'm still doing this, you know, then my son's really gonna get into YouTube and filming and I'm gonna definitely teach him, you know different traits. But a lot of things that I learned was just by, like, following my dad and his people skills. And I think that's also, you know something I hope he picks up as well.
Snappy Claus:Alright, cozy. The next question comes from Andrew and it reads, I've noticed that the hardest weekend quest for free to play in season pass only players is the win with the new card quest, since we have to pick and choose which new cards we go for, and sometimes even then miss yet the prize for that is what we covet the most collectors tokens. I'm wondering what your thoughts are on that.
Cozy Snap:Man, some of these, I feel like, sometimes can be like bait questions, because I have the people's answer, right? Like, yeah, you know, make them easier, you know, and then the realistic one, too. Like, guys, I don't want to be the guy that's just going to be the politician that tells you everything you want to hear, because, like, I just don't know if it always happens. They did it with Cyclops, and I would like to see it more often. There was one where I believe you got collector tokens if you played Cyclops in your deck. That was awesome. Do that a little bit more, and I think that solves the answer. I think it's fine to do the new card. Rewards you a little bit of a kickback for getting it. But add in some of these other cards that have synergy with that card to promote you trying to learn the mechanics around it without actually getting it.
Snappy Claus:Yeah, no, absolutely. And I agree. I think that's happening when like there's the season pass launch. So there's no new card for that week, like no spotlight new card. Right. So they'll add Cyclops or something like that in there. And I'm all for that. I agree. And maybe a good, like just quality of life change would be like on that week because anybody can play it, maybe just double the reward for that week. Like if it's 200 every other week, maybe make that week 400 and like, really, okay, wow, you're giving up 200 extra tokens, but I think it's a good faith move for your audience. And I feel like maybe that would like. Just kind of be a positive thing for people overall. It is a challenge though. Like I totally understand, but let's not forget, like, I feel like it was only a few months ago on the Snapchat that we were lamenting on how bad these weekend missions were because they stripped the gold out of the spotlight cash and they're like, don't worry guys, weekend missions were coming and they were just so garbage. I remember for the first three weeks, I didn't even do them. I was like, I'm not doing this. Like, this is horrible. Like, I, like I listen, I play this game a lot, right. And I'm like, I don't want to do these stupid weekend missions So they finally fixed them quite a bit. So they're way better than they used to be. Could they be improved like everything else, of course? Yeah, 100%. Alright Cozy, my favourite question on this Christmas Day comes from SuperLuigi and it reads Honestly speaking, can you say to Santa that you've been good boys this year?
Cozy Snap:No. And yeah! I like this thing, I'm, it's kind of like, are you morally good? I think Alex, you're a good guy. Maybe you like, maybe every now and then, like, I don't know, cut in front, cut in front of somebody at the Costco line. Maybe,
Snappy Claus:never, I would never cut in front of anyone. Are you kidding me? I'm at the self checkout. I'm letting old ladies pass me. I'm doing it for them. I'm like, come on guys. You'd lose your coat of honor, you know. Yeah, yeah. I'll get that, that, that huge bag of dog food for you. Don't worry, ma'am.
Cozy Snap:You'd lose your customer of the month. I know you are on their wall with a big portrait of Alex Coccia like. That's right, they know. Yeah, yeah, I've been a good boy. I've been a good I'm telling you, you're snappy claws. I think I've been a good boy, man. You, Alex?
Snappy Claus:Ho, ho, ho, yes. I can with absolute confidence say that Alex Coccia has been a very good boy this year. He didn't ask for much this year. He simply asked for some glasses that his best friend Cozy Smapp wouldn't make fun of. And, unfortunately, Cozy Smapp did make fun of Alex, and now is on the naughty list. So, Cozy has lied. Cozy, in fact, on the naughty list for insulting Alex's paintball instructor glasses that he needs to functionally operate in front of a computer screen 12 hours a day.
Cozy Snap:Alex hates Christmas Santa. Also, Alex hates elephants and children's laughter and puppies. Guys, we're gonna let you get back to your holiday. Thanks for listening, though, to the Snapchat on this Christmas day from Snappy and Cozy myself, don't even know what I'm saying anymore. Happy Holidays! Have a good one. Have a great one, Alex, and what is your outro? Happy snapping, baby. Merry snapping! Boom! Heh heh heh. Well guys, that's gonna be it for the Snapchat for us. I'm glad we were able to get a podcast out. We still have not missed it. Holiday, rain, or shine, we're here from Alex, from us to you. We wish you guys a happy holidays and appreciate you guys hanging out with us. We have one more Snapchat this year. On the last day of the year, which is a fun thing that that kind of ends up as that. As always guys, thanks for watching. Enjoy the holiday. Enjoy Christmas. And until the next one, happy snapping.