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The New Grandmaster Of On Reveal Combos | Meta MVPs At Every Cost | Miek In Review | The Snap Chat Ep. 64
How good is Grandmaster for on reveal combos? What are the meta MVPs at every cost? How has Miek performed compared to its expectations? Join Cozy Snap and Alexander Coccia as they chat about this and more on this episode of The Snap Chat and every week as they discuss all things Marvel Snap.
How good is Grandmaster for on reveal combos? What are the meta MVPs at every cost? How has Miek performed compared to its expectations? Join Cozy Snap and Alexander Coccia as they chat about this and more on this episode of The Snap Chat and every week as they discuss all things Marvel Snap.
What's going on guys? And welcome back. Quite possibly the best card to come out in January, arrives Tuesday Grand Master is going to be the master of Combos for on Reveal cards today. Alex and I spent a ton of time talking about all the different cards that Grand Master can work with, from Hot to Good to Cooking. We're excited to break him down as well as the recent OTA and all the impact that had on the meta. The Nerf to Blob wasn't enough. Is Dagger crazy? We're gonna break it all down today on this episode of the Snapchat. And as always, I am joined by Mr. Alex Coccia. Hello, my friend. We got the brand new OTA. We have probably the best card coming to Marvel Snap this month. Another beautiful, beautiful January week. How you doing, bud?
Alexander Coccia:I'm doing great. I mean, you're talking about a beautiful January week. Yeah, in San Diego, maybe. What the hell, man? Like, do you know what it's like everywhere else in, like, North America? That is such, like, it's San Diego thing to say, it's great over here. How's everyone doing? It's like, well, we're actually kind of frozen in. I believe last week they talked about not being able to get into my personal vehicle because it was frozen shut Cozy. And guess what? It was frozen shut again this morning too. So I don't know why you intend to like completely just lamb blast us and like, you know, anywhere, basically everywhere in North America, other than San Diego is literally under a frozen spell right now.
Cozy Snap:Well, dude, I'm going to New Yor I told you, I'm going to New York. I'm actually in New York when this releases and it's, it's 11 degrees. I'm leaving 70 to go to 11. And so I'll get like a small t I don't even know what to pack. I don't own
Alexander Coccia:I feel so bad for you.
Cozy Snap:I know, man. I don't know how I'm going to do it. I'm not going to survive. But how was, when, when was the last time you were in like a warm weather state?
Alexander Coccia:Man, I don't even remember the last time I was in a warm weather state. I mean, no state. I was in New York last year, but that was in February for the crater clash thing. Actually, San Diego came up at work. One of my friends at work, they recently went to San Diego, and tell me if this is true or not, but they said they went to some place called like Lola Cove or something. Does that sound familiar?
Cozy Snap:Yeah, La Jolla, yeah, yeah, okay.
Alexander Coccia:Okay, La Jolla Cove, and they swam with seals? Did they say seals, or did they mean dolphins?
Cozy Snap:Did they swim? They swam with them? That's probably a stretch, but I can't, there is so they're seals, man. This is, this blew my mind. Now, it's, it reeks over there, right? Like, mother nature's beautiful, but it reeks. So you go down La Jolla, dude, it's awesome. You go down this, like, whiny path, right? This is where all the rich people in San Diego live. And there's like, 200 sea lions, just out on this little coast thing, right? You don't swim with them, they'd hate you, but they're just everywhere. So you can go right up to them, because they really don't care. They're kind of like, they're, well, they call them like the dogs of the sea, right? But they're like, if Snoop Dogg was a dog, like, just kind of high and chilling, right? That's kind of what they do, they don't do much, but they're awesome, they're loud. There are there. Yeah. Yeah. I guess you could swim with them if your guy was like, I don't know. high.
Alexander Coccia:chuckles] maybe. Hi, man. I don't know. I I, I just realized in my head I was picturing a walrus seals don't have the tusks. Right.
Cozy Snap:Wish, don't have like the T wish walrus. They'd be so badass if there's just like a bunch of walrus that Yes, no, they they don't have tusks. They're just like, I don't know. They have, have you been a SeaWorld before? Man? You know, you know, they got the. The Whiskers?
Alexander Coccia:Not really. I have to go to SeaWorld eventually. Can you pet them?
Cozy Snap:You wouldn't want to. I think you could. You wouldn't want to, like in the Alex tier chart, which I guess we could like redo this a year from like when we did it, but you probably put them around C tier. They're, I have'em up there. I think they're kind of cool, but they're kind of. They don't do a lot for society. Anyway we should start an animal podcast maybe. This is like our tenth animal conversation at that. Go see it though, pretty cool. If you come to San Diego, check out La Jolla. As far as Marvel's Snap dude, the OTA, and Grandmaster. Heck, Grandmaster's gonna take up the meat of conversation on this side of the channel just cause it's So much topic around this card and then the OTA, which we were hoping would bring us out of this stale meta. Alex, what are we talking about on your side of things?
Alexander Coccia:On my side of this Snapchat, we'll be discussing Miek and giving our final impressions as Miek Week comes to an end. We'll also be discussing the meta MVPs at every cost. And these are cards that are good, fun, and honestly, there's no one's complaining about them. They're the good cards of Marvel Snap that just make the game so fun to play. And then finally, we'll close out with our Snapchat Mailbag.
Cozy Snap:Well, buddy, we're gonna hop right into things, because we've got GrandMaster, guys. This is the new card of this week. If you're listening, he is a two cost, zero power card. Think Adam Warlock. On reveal, move one of your other on reveal cards here, to the location you play him, to the middle location. Its ability happens Again, it re triggers the on reveal effect. Now, a couple of things that we've gotten confirmed by Glenn is the card has to move to trigger the on reveal. So, you know, there's some location restriction with this card. And if Cosmo's in the middle, then it could also move, but it wouldn't reactivate. It has to have the ability to reactivate. Now, clearly, Alex, there's a lot of conversation about this card. We start with star ratings, as always, my friend. What are you thinking right off the bat?
Alexander Coccia:Right off the bat, he feels like a four star card. I think that this has a very high potential, a very high ceiling. When you compare like different cards and their abilities, this one feels like it could be one of the ones that kind of shatters the meta a little bit, like it feels like one of those ones that can really, really impact combo centric decks. And so like, I'm excited to give it a shot and see what like combo deck builders like yourself, like you're someone who just like relishes in the ability to create an absolutely broken combo centric archetype. And so I'm going to be interested to see what you can come up with. But yeah, I do think Grandmaster is going to be particularly strong.
Cozy Snap:Yeah. So this is, I remember Kyaira was like, you're like, Hey, I'm going all in. This is my five star. This is my five star card. The more I do notes on Grandmaster, the more I think he's absolutely broken. It has a very small chance. Too whiff. I just do not see the chance of him not doing well in snap's. Meta. First of all, we have a lot of brilliant, it could take maybe like the full week for people to come up with the absolute best deck, but Alex, we're gonna go through all the best combos you can pull off with this guy and then nevermind that just the best deck bar none. It's not often that I stand here and I'll say five star rating off the rip. I like to be conservative. I just, the more I went through his combos, the more I went through his versatility, and fun, like all my star rating factors. This guy nailed 5 star on all of them, which is obviously gonna have me give him a 5 star rating. Now you have to see how things work in practice, but like the middle location thing, not too worried about. We saw it with Ms. Marvel. There was plenty of ways to, you know, like, locations. I know it's a different card, but it doesn't really have you know, too much restriction outside of Let's say, I don't know, like Nowhere in the Middle Cosmos not getting played all too much. So, a lot of things to break down. Now, the way that I did it is I broke down honor view cards from, like, the hottest of combos, just with Grandmaster, pretty good, and then Cook, right? Some Cooks, some things that I think would be fun and could work in the right decks. Now, as always, before we get to Grandmaster, before we break down all that Alex, let's go ahead and talk about the spotlight this week. Now, this is just an added bonus. I think this is hilarious. But if you don't, you know, if Grandmaster seems cool, maybe not your playstyle, you're looking at a spotlight with Loki and Hitmonkey, which is a pretty good week. I mean, obviously the devs now have tripled, quadrupled down that Loki is going to stay somewhat relevant the same, and then you have Grandmaster in that exact same spotlight. So, To me, it also screams just a good spotlight week, yeah.
Alexander Coccia:I think that like Loki obviously has some of the ceiling taken off him a little bit, right? But still has remained semi viable, especially in like kind of like the middling ranks and for people that are relatively low collection level. The pieces to creating the best performing decks for Loki right now are relatively inexpensive. You're seeing a lot like the devil dinosaur base shells. So I do think that Loki is a good call for anybody still building their collections. And Hitmonkey. I mean, Hitmonkey's been kind of on the down low lately, but when you have Grandmaster coming out in combo centric decks, Hitmonkey becomes a core piece of those combo centric plays, and like, in the past, we've seen Second Dinner pretty intelligently kind of give us pieces to a deck archetype Low key, right? You saw it with Lady Deathstrike and then here you're getting it actually with Kaiera. It was like a high evil package. Yeah. So I wonder if low key in there low key, Loki, I get it. But I wonder if in their testing, they had identified that Hip Monkey was a good contributing positive card in the Grandmaster archetype.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, for sure. With low key, man, I have to just say. I love that, you know, goodbye to the collector, I guess, but I love that Agent Coulson and Devil Dinosaur, like, that package is played with Loki, because it feels like you're playing with this deck now that just is like a bunch of cards that aren't your cards, right? And I think that is ultimately like a pretty cool fit for him, and you know, obviously I love that play style. So if you don't have Loki, if you want a cool variant, now's going to be the time to get it. Let's talk about Grandmaster, though, dude. There's so much it's almost that I feel like we could kind of go all over the place. On where to start and so I was thinking let's just kind of combine the first two subjects here and talk about The combos and the on reveals as I sort by on reveals in the background That are going to probably be the most formidable and then we can talk more about the decks and places that we see Now first of all, Alex, I don't know about you I would trade an entire month of new cards to get rid of this stupid favorites tab bug Dude, isn't this the most annoying thing ever? I can't stand it.
Alexander Coccia:It's so annoying. It happens on PC. It happens on mobile and we just had a patch. It wasn't fixed. And it's like, it'll be up, like, it'll be highly like, Hey, your favorites are selected. It's like, no, they're not. Yeah.
Cozy Snap:So, okay, man, there's so much to go through. I want to kind of ping pong back and forth, but. Let's start with just, like, what he is, right? He's a 2 cost, which, in my opinion, 2 cost cards, they kind of work so perfectly because they can be played on curve very well. But then also on that ever elusive turn 5, right? We have a lot of good 3 drops in the game, so playing him in turn 5 can feel really good. And so 2 drop naturally just A great cost to be at, you know, we have things that can discount that to 1 and 50 percent cost cut it, everything like that. Obviously, the first comes to mind is things like Ravonna, but we'll get there. Dude, I gotta say, right off the bat, if you're looking at a 2 cost card, these are the hot cards. These are the ones immediately, I think, are gonna work really well. Starting with the hood. Now, this is such a not crazy one, but I just want to kind of break it and start it down here so that people truly understand just how easy and quick this guy can kind of get out of control, right? So you play the hood down, turn one, you get a demon. Turn two, you play Grandmaster on the left side, wherever you played him, and then boom. You get two demons for the one hood. Two demons, one hood, that's a huge, huge power swing for not doing a hell of a lot, right? So very simple kind of place to start it out, man. On curve, right? So it doesn't just seem crazy. What are some combos that you think are kind of nutty? And we'll start from there.
Alexander Coccia:As you know, like I really like to focus on like what the actual play lines look like when I'm evaluating new cards. And for me, I think obviously Ravonna is a huge standout here. So I was thinking to myself, okay, Ravonna, Grandmaster, I think they're going to be together like peanut and butter, right? And also we'll say jam too. Jam, peanut butter, all that stuff. Beautiful sandwich. I think this is gonna be beautiful cards. And so I was thinking, Hmm, I wonder what a new Ravonna Darkhawk deck would look like with the potential of something like a Grandmaster. If you think about it, you Korg turn one, Ravonna turn two, you can Rockside, Black Widow, whatever you want on turn three. And then you have like a discounted Grandmaster. You can actually, with Ravonna on the board, play Grandmaster and Darkhawk on turn four, re procking Rock Slide, pumping their deck even harder. And like, yeah, you have a Darkhawk sitting there waiting to get Shang Chi'd, but I'm just saying, like, if you actually think about that re prock, that re effect of something like a Rock Slide and it slides to the middle, it's kind of crazy. It's actually legitimately insane.
Cozy Snap:Dude, I love that you brought up Ravonna, because that was, you know Clearly. I'm like, wow, you know, recently I thought of voa when Blob got aired. I'm like, oh my God, you could blob on five, taskmaster on six. It's a little bit of a wonky deck, but VOA kind of always keeping, it's this new threshold, right? Like we see cards go to zero now and we can get excited or one and Grand Master naturally being a grand for one is essentially in in the right deck and Odin for one, which is crazy. Now, right off the bat, the things I want to say is, you have to be somewhat methodical, kind of like Ms. Marvel. You want to play the one on reveal card on a location by itself, and or the decks and combos you're trying to do. You can't put too many on reveals because you kind of want to make sure that you can orchestrate it if you get screwed by locations, things like that, right? However, love the Ravonna pick. The double rock slide hit is kinda nuts. I mean, that's a lot of rocks all at once. A crazy amount. Heck, even just playing that on turn 3 to 4 is your opponent's drawing rocks for a good majority. It's like a subterranea in one baggage with the Korg. It is! A subterranean. Yeah, it's crazy. I'd more thought of and this we could tie it in together is the Ravonna with Mr. Negative, right? Because right off the bat, you know, you've got Grandmaster who is gonna fit into the Jane Foster mold. We're getting more Zero Cost Blob, crazy enough fits into the, to the Jane Foster mold as well. So Mr. Negative, I think, will also have a home where you have these kind of Iron Hearts and all these on reveal cards that are already kind of greedy. That work, right? And could we see the return of Mr. Negative Hitmonkey? We just talked about Hitmonkey. Really, you know This is where you can spam a bunch of cards. I think Ravonna is going to have several decks for Grandmaster to kick us off.
Alexander Coccia:Oh, no question. It's going to be one of the absolute top synergies. And I actually got a little scared for Ravonna. Like I hope they don't actually nerf Ravonna instead of like, you know, you know what I mean? I was like, is Ravonna going to take a straight bullet here? Cause like we kind of mentioned on Ravonna's launch originally when she was a 3 3, we both said. This is a card that's going to age like fine wine, like it's literally going to get better with every single release that like forever for Marvel snaps forever future. Whenever you have a card that operates within that realm of Ravonna, Ravonna gets better. You get additional options. Now we have one that's a real banger. And so Ravonna, yeah, is definitely going to benefit. However, what I will say, Cozy. Is there are so many combo centric pieces here that like, we could literally talk for four hours. So hit me with some of your favorites.
Cozy Snap:For sure. And on that note, I, you know what? The first thing I thought of is like, if they do nerf her, like does Ravonna absolutely need three power. I get the whole, they're trying to do C3 to me. I'm like, that's probably where they would go. First is makers Zabu 2. 2. That's before they mess with the ability. That would be my hope. I, but that being said, I don't know if they do. Zabu hasn't been touched in an eternity, so maybe they don't. But yeah, good, good, like, kind of note there. Now, a couple of things, these can, we can talk about a bit faster, but I have these under my hot category as well. Listen, at the end of the day, Grandmaster is a two cost card, right? Who gives you the ability to hit something again. And what are the decks, there are three archetypes that all want cheap ways to keep feeding the system. When we get a new card that does X, we get super excited. And what is X? Move, discard, destroy, right? Let's start with discard because Amika's been out lately and we can start there. I mean the fact of having a new way for Colleen Wing, Lady Sif, Blade, and even Modok on turn six is crazy cool. I mean Modok on turn you could get two Modok procs without doing all that much and you have an additional four energy to play that turn whether that's Dracula or whatever you want to do. Discard, move, and destroy. We'll get to the other two. They just want more ways to do what they do more and more, right? And so that gets me really excited about the discard archetype, getting Miek to move more, getting Morbius up more, and then just having more of these combos reliably. Discard is immediately where I went Alex. And I think it's an easy way to get things kind of spinning. Let's go there and then we'll get to the other two archetypes. I mean, do you see him working really well here?
Alexander Coccia:I do see potential there for sure. Especially since like, and we'll talk more about Meek afterwards, but Miek just showcasing the combo potential of discard as well. And so when you factor in someone like Grandmaster, you can see where the potential lies. And you're right. So many of these archetypes just want to do their thing. Often and like effectively, right? And Grandmaster is going to do that. And I mean, I don't want to keep bringing up Ravonna, but there are shells where Ravonna kind of squeezes into discard a little bit because it works with Morbius, it worked with Dracula, right? Now you're going to have another piece in Grandmaster. So you start to make this sense of like, okay, maybe I'm not totally crazy. Right. Cause discard cards tend to be a little overstated. For the effect, like, obviously, like, there's Hellcows and stuff, which I actually really like Hellcow. I've been playing a little more Hellcow lately, and I'm like, Oh, hey, power, this actually feels pretty good, doesn't it? But yeah, I do like what you're saying here. Any deck that really wants to, like, do its thing just does it more often with Grandmaster.
Cozy Snap:And we didn't, like, Absorbing Man, we've, we tried to fit, and when he first came out, that was what we tried to do. We tried to put him in all these decks to make him proc these effects again. It just didn't work because of his cost. 2 cost is a whole nother thing, and I beg, seconded, I beg that I hope they tested this guy enough so that he can remain 2 cost. I love it at 2 cost. I really hope he does it. His effect seems like a 3 cost effect to me, right, because it seems like a Mystique kind of thing, but there are ways to stop it. I just hope he stays at 2. But yeah, I mean, even doing something as simple as the Miek deck that I played and made the video on where you've got Wong, you play him in the middle, you play Gambit early on the right, then you can send Grandmaster to have Gambit go back in the middle, activate on the Wong a couple times. Really cool. This is why I have him at 5 stars. There's just so many combos and things that your opponent is not going to be able to predict, and he can slot into these archetypes. Now, Destroy will go to that one next. I mean, this is obviously really, you know, kind of crazy too. You think about Venom, and you play Venom on the right side. This one, I was like, okay, you're not cloning the venom or anything like that. You just, you know, you're activating again. But the fact of the matter is Nimrod mixed into this equation is where things get spicy.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, no, no kidding. I mean, destroy is going to be a huge beneficiary of grandmaster, I do think as well. And I think, yeah, even just reprocking venom. Moving it to the middle, having the things blow up. And like, there's so many things that you can do there. But one thing that I wanted to mention as well, and I, Hey, take a shot every time Alex brings up Ravonna and Cozy too, you're going to have a hard time on this podcast, but with Ravonna, you can actually Zola and Grandmaster on turn six, which is kind of crazy. If you think about it, right? Like you could, in theory have like, let's say you use X 23, you cheat out on turn five, a Knull. Right on the right side. You're playing Zola, and you're playing Grandmaster, Zola will proc split the Knull, it'll go mid, and then you'll play the Zola again with the Grandmaster, it'll go mid, it's disgusting, and then Knull's gonna replicate again!
Cozy Snap:That's why I think the Jane Foster negative list makes so much sense. You go Knull, you go Arnim Zola, you have negative there, and you have Ravonna, and then at that point you're just like You have Iron Heart. You have Black Panther, who can trigger twice. Like, that deck is gonna be filthy. And the fact that Jane Foster can just bring everything on turn five so that you have it all at your disposal. Truly, I mean, that deck is gonna end up just being like the old Galactus, where it's like the two cube machine. You know what I mean? You snap, you get the two cubes, and that's kind of it. But, you know, hey, it's gonna be formidable. So, Venom, I think even just CoreLess where you have x23, you could cheat out maybe Arnim Zola early and do the Venom, and then you send Arnim or Venom. Both those can be really good. Lastly, I think Move the archetype. Listen, been playing a lot. Just released another deck guide this week with our Dagger refresh, which we'll talk about more on the OTA review. I mean, dude, being able to replicate some of these on reveal effects, right? Obviously, like, Ghost Spider won't work because you can't, you're just gonna drag the Grandmaster. But you could play Iron Fist again. You can play Cloak again. Heck, even Heimdall if you get them out early. So there's a couple of things in the move that add another two cost. To the move equation don't think that means it as much as maybe the other archetypes that we just talked about Alex
Alexander Coccia:You could make the argument that like someone like a doctor strange would be a good hit Yeah, cuz dr. Strange goes middle and then pulls something for another movement there Okay You don't when you have to do that on turn six that could be a way to actually pull something off like a left lane like A vulture who slammed left. Yeah, you can hit the doctor strange Send out to Strange Middle, bring the Vulture in, and then that sets up a turn six Heimdall.
Cozy Snap:Absolutely. mean, so there's going to be, this is probably one of the most interesting cars that we've had since Nico. I actually think it's the most fun car we've had since Nico. Immediately is going to be at the top of my list of just like, any card that can go into any of these archetypes and encourage a lot of deck building is what, you know, just gets me falling in love. And we have Twitch drops coming out the day after he's there, so it's kind of just like a lot of, you know, a lot of testing will be done for this guy. And on that shameless plug for Alex and I, go check us out. We will be I'm sure, Twitching the drops, dropping the Twitches. But okay, next up, man, this is where things start to get a little, a little wacky. We're still in the hot section, by the way. We haven't even gotten to Great and Cook. Dude, I think the Jane Foster Thor package could get kind of crazy. I think Thor would end up potentially really liking this guy, because what you can do now is you can either trigger Thor down on three, Grandmaster, you get two of the hammers, then you Jain on five, you get both those hammers back. Or, and this could be played with Hitmonkey, it could be played with Wasp's Yellowjacket package, you know that deck that was floating around for a while? Or, you just do it to Mjolnir, and then you do it to Right? Like, this seems stupid combined with the new card coming next week. Beta Ray, I I mean, I don't know, this seems silly to me. I had it as a hot hot card.
Alexander Coccia:In those Lockjaw based packages, you're likely to have the opportunity to try to make some magic happen with Grandmaster to some degree. And something like a Mjolnir, reprocking the Mjolnir would be interesting, especially since you can do it in tandem with one another, right? You can play Mjolnir, play the Grandmaster, knock it on over. Yeah, there's definitely gonna be combo potential there. I don't know if it's as high as the Destroy. Like, I get really excited thinking about Destroy, but you're definitely right, there's potential here as well.
Cozy Snap:I mean, reactivating any of this stuff, I don't know about you, but if I'm playing this deck and I have the Odin, and I get to re Odin a Mjolnir, it just feels so crazy. And the fact that I get to do that for not that much investment, even getting the two of them with Jane Foster, two hammers, seems really strong. With Hitmonkey. Now, you know, we talked about Hitmonkey. Grandmaster's a one cost, so you have Ravonna, but on the same vein, dude, there's no way that Sarah doesn't absolutely love this car, too, right? A Sarah control list. Where you have an on reveal built into that package a little bit that would absolutely love to use Grandmaster as a one cost card, no? And I'm thinking more specifically the Hitmonkey package, yeah?
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, no, absolutely. And like, with Ceres, you mentioned it prior, it's a 50 percent discount. It's a 50 percent discount on a two cost. And then the beautiful thing about Ceres, you're designing that deck to combo with pretty much everything else. Yeah. And so you're gonna have this opportunity to, like, lay down some serious power. And, The thing about Grandmaster is it's an extremely inexpensive activator. It feels like a, how do I explain this? I have kind of felt like it's like this out of sequence, like Absorbing Man, where like, you can kind of set up your board state from a macro perspective, be like, Hey, I'm gonna play this Grandmaster and it's like Absorbing Man, but I didn't have to play the next card with the way Absorbing Man does. Right. And I think that Sarah, because of the way that you can kind of zoo out on a turn and the way. The card reveal is going to happen. You can kind of control what's going to reveal that second time, which I think is really notable.
Cozy Snap:What's because to be fair, right? It, he has zero power, but the thing is there's so many great on reveal cards that have zero power or like one or two that you don't really care about the. The power of the card, you love the unrevealability, and he's just giving you that, right? And so that's where it feels really solid. You're not getting stats, but you're playing it for nothing. Now, dude, I did my homework this time. I'm in love with this card, so I'll keep going.
Alexander Coccia:You do your homework every time. Come on, Cozy, give yourself some credit.
Cozy Snap:This is like one of my favorite cards for months that have come out. So I just have a lot down as the hot category. Alex, this is where I think we might see a new breed of Silver Surfer. Now, I don't want us to get too crazy, but I do want to just talk about where I think he fits in a couple reasons. First of all, 2 cost. You know that's such a great cost for Surfer because of Turn 5. I mean, the best Surfer ever was, was when we had a card that wanted to be played on Turn 5. That was a 2 cost in tandem with everything else happening, right? And, on top of that, you have Sarah mixed into that on turn 5, that you could re utilize him. So let's kind of break that down. Now, where I think this could change some things, is obviously, my head immediately goes to, let's say, Brood, playing this on curve. You play Brood on the left side, your Grandmaster, you send the Brood to the middle. Now you have two lanes of Broods. We've seen that song and dance with, like, Absorbing Man before. However, there are so many on reveals. with Surfer that I feel like it's like you got to pick and choose because you got to play him in different lanes to make Sure that you have the proc I think even just getting obviously two surfer hits is insane and that could be all you want to do on turn five
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, you're absolutely right. That's one of the challenges of surfer there are so many on reveal cards and Space becomes a factor right like if you're gonna consider playing brood. Yeah Then like, okay, you play it on top of Brood. Then like, you've literally almost landlocked two lanes, right? You got one extra space mid and that's it. The whatever right or left location you played Brood is full because Grandmaster sit in there as well. And the thing about Brood 2 is like, to do that, you'd have to set up your board state with Brood already present, but often Brood and Surfers played on turn six as like the, kind of like an uppercut, you know, that's kind of the surprise, Hey, I'm winning this lane and you didn't know I was going to do it. But like, you're right. There are so many versatile.
Cozy Snap:You could do that, you could do that, what if you had Brood out and you played Grandmaster, let's say you had Sera down, you won't be able to play, I guess, all the 3 cost or whatever, but you could theoretically leave that middle lane open, knowing you're gonna copy those Broods. To the middle, and then you play Surfer, and one other card, Gladiator in the left lane, where the birds moved, or something. You know what I mean? It's still like a, a secret po Grand Math, that's why I have him so ranked. You have to anticipate this new cog into the machine, rather than thinking He's got Brood in this lane. I'll try to win these two. You just don't know if Grandmaster is going to come out.
Alexander Coccia:I like what you said prior about just keeping it as simple as just reprocking the Silver Surfer. Cause if you think about your two drops on turn six, you have six energy. So two drops are, you know, basically you play two, two drops and two, three drops. Right. It's kind of the way it would work with the Sarah discount. Imagine playing Brood Silver Surfer as your two, three drops, and then you play Grandmaster and Maximus. Like think about how much actual power that is. Right? That's an obscene amount of power, and that verticality, those numbers getting big, are how you often win games of Marvel Snap.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, no, it's truly, there's just, there's a lot of deck building to be done, and that's why I think, like, the first day we'll have some good decks, second day, really good decks, and then we're gonna start to refine them to make combos that are just absolutely filthy. I don't know why this, I'm thinking of it, maybe because he's silver. A random topic to bring up. Do you, does your wife have a Stanley Cup? Do you know what a Stanley Cup is?
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, like, no, we never won the Stanley Cup.
Cozy Snap:No, no, that, that, that, the hockey Canadian, the the Have you seen those giant water cups kind of things? Have you seen these things? It must just be an American trend. You haven't seen these Stanley Cups? Be, be thankful you haven't. They're, they're 60 cups.
Alexander Coccia:I have no idea what you're talking about. The only Stanley Cup I know is in Toronto right now.
Cozy Snap:They're horrible, dude. The, the, the Okay, there are, there are these I don't know how to explain it. Listeners, you know what I'm talking about. It's this phenomenon. In the in the U. S., that's just terrible. It's like a 80 cup. Anyway, moving on, I thought about it.
Alexander Coccia:Why would anyone spend 80 on a cup? Like, it's like a mug, like you drink coffee out of?
Cozy Snap:Dude, you could kill a man with it, number one. It weighs like, it looks like it weighs like 80 pounds. But people are, like, trampling, like, the old school Black Fridays, before you could get it online, when people, like, trampled each other for stuff. The same thing's happening with these Stanley Cups. And I don't, do you guys have Yetis up there?
Alexander Coccia:So, I just looked it up. We have Yeti. This just looks like a water bottle.
Cozy Snap:It is essentially a water They're huge! They're mad They're massive. People are going crazy about them and I don't understand. Every now and then there's like this trendy item that I just There was a pink edition apparently for Valentine's Day, not even freaking February yet, and people were like killing each other for this thing.
Alexander Coccia:What?
Cozy Snap:I know crazy. I'm glad you don't have this. I'm glad that Canada has decided to be Stanley free This is for the best.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, like listen, I don't understand that like I'll fight a man for some Pokemon cards But like some sort of Stanley Cup. No, thank you.
Cozy Snap:Oh, I'll cover Charizard. Yeah, but I don't need
Alexander Coccia:a Foil Charizard. I'll fight everyone. Yeah, everyone that walks out.
Cozy Snap:Take down a grandpa. I don't care I don't have morals. Dude lastly for the like kind of hot really good cards The last two that are three things I want to talk about. We kind of mentioned Wong. How do we not in the middle play things like that? Which I mentioned Wong used to be a greedy card. I think more now He's just like he's a win condition that you know, if they don't have Cosmo no It's going through the cost and I was working my way up Obviously, if you're going to 6 cost, you gotta start having Wave, you know, Dr. Doom, even Odin early. You could do something crazy with that. Spectrum, Arnim Zola, those are the ones that stood out. Hey, I don't know, turn 5 Valkyrie into turn 6 Valkyrie again? You're having two lanes? You're having two lanes set to three, Alex? I mean, that seems busted, no?
Alexander Coccia:I wonder if there's like a C3 deck that runs Bast to get Grandmaster to 2 3, and then you basically proc Valkyrie on the right and then re proc it on the middle and then just basically defeat their two locations, right? That's totally viable. Like, I don't think that's crazy because those decks don't run a lot of on reveals. You could very easily stack the right with like Mystique and Cerebro, right? And like, so it wouldn't really matter.
Cozy Snap:Yep, and then, yeah, you know, you got Ravonna in there to continue to discount the cards that you want to, and C3 is always just like, it's good. The stats are never gonna jump out of the page because I think it's a harder deck to play, but definitely, I think Cerebro 3 has a good chance. Lastly, on the hot section, this is where I was like, man, I already have a hard time playing this deck, especially when I'm like streaming. I feel like Beast and Falcon could get really Really out of control. Like, re like, really dangerous with this. Because you can then, essentially(h) I don't know! I can't even, like, imagine this. A, you can pick up the Grandmaster, do it twice. But B, just having Beast pick up a full lane, and then go and pick up a whole nother lane for free? I don't even know the deck design there, necessarily. I'm sure Hitmonkey would have to be a part of it. What? Right? Doesn't this seem stupid? Like, even Hawkeye, who I have on the next list, but like, even just that, getting him pro doesn't that seem insane?
Alexander Coccia:It does. I was trying to like, pen and paper a beast design, like a beast balance based design, so I think you're right, there's definitely potential there. I I couldn't figure it out. Like, I I was like, you know what, I think I need to play with this card before I try to figure out a beast one, because like, if you think about it, you have beast, but then if you're using Grandmaster and you want to beast the Grandmaster, you're also kicking a card to the center? So like, one of the beasted, the cards you'd want to beast, like your Spooderham or whatever, is being kicked mid by Grandmaster already, so now you have a choice, do you beast Grandmaster, or do you beast the card's middle that you're kicking over there? Like, it's kinda like, weird from that perspective, so maybe you need to like, Play Spider Ham, then you play Falcon, and then you play the card, then Grandmaster, kick them over, then you pick up Grandmaster again, and like, I think there's some play pattern that needs to be figured out there, because of that move to center functionality.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, I think it would just be, you play your honor, your cheap on reveals, so like in the next section, I have, let's say, like Iceman, and a couple other, you know, whatever, then you pick those up with Beast, then you play some other ones in the middle, almost, yeah, and then you play Grandmaster on the Beast, he goes and picks those up, and then you have all these with a Hitmonkey, potentially. Th Thank God they fixed the hit monkey.'cause back in the day, you could've done like a Mysterio hit monkey, move the hit monkey, pick'em up a couple times. It would've been nutty. I think this is out there. Somebody's gonna make a really good bounce deck though, in my opinion, with Grandmaster now. I've been talking for a while. I've got the next section as great. Do you have any other combos though for me buddy? For Grandmaster?
Alexander Coccia:Not necessarily. I think we're touching on a lot of them thus far. I just wanted to kind of like speak to the fact that I think Cosmo is going to be a little popular for the next week or so, and a reminder that if you think Cosmo is going to be a problem, one of my favorite cards. Out there is Echo, and Echo I mean, Echo can't necessarily be in two places at once, cause Cosmo's interesting, cause Cosmo, you can play Cosmo middle to prevent Grandmaster's effect from happening, right? Cause they'll push and then they won't be able to on reveal middle. Or you can actually play the Cosmo where you think they're gonna wanna play the Grandmaster to push something to the middle, right? So there's this two pronged attack. So I wonder, like, if Echo actually is even viable, because, like, you play Echo in the middle, then they can just Cosmo the location with, like, Oh, they're gonna, they're trying to do that combo, so I'll just play Cosmo there, right?
Cozy Snap:Yeah, right, so we're, I mean, I would assume if Grandmaster gets out of control, we're getting Cosmos. In the meta. Like, he's just back. Full force. Cosmo Mystique.[chuckles] Double lane. I mean, Miss Marvel, she brought back in full force. Not even brought back, like, Echo and Enchantress and Rogue existed in every deck because of the Miss Marvel presence. We can absolutely see that. But I think the thing that's dangerous is that Grandmaster can go in any type of build. And that's where it's going to be very unique. A couple other cards that I have as, like, just good. Yeah, first of all, you know, we'll talk about her more in just a second, but Selene. Double prox, just the natural curve. A grandmaster playing him into Celine. The thought of having a green goblin that's a negative nine is silly. Just. And it's on curve, so Selene, Grandmaster, you've got a, I guess the first Selene that would hit, no it would hit the Goblins, so I don't know, isn't that crazy?
Alexander Coccia:It's also very notable that Grandmaster can send Goblins back, so if like someone who's playing Galactus throws like a Hobgobber. On your side, you can send them right back with the Grandmaster.
Cozy Snap:Annihilus who, man? Annihilus who? You just play Grandmaster on the goblins and you're you're set to go. Yeah, that is, that's, that's awesome. Going with all the other unreveals, couple other good combos I had, buddy. Clearly, like, Ironheart is just, like, good stats, right? Like, a lot of these are just They're just good stats. You can't be mad of them. Black Widow! I know she's a 3 cost now, but Ugh! Turn I mean, it stinks that the only turn you could pull off both of them played at the same time, without like, Ravonna or whatever, would be turn 5, where they don't have to play the Widow's Bite. But think about, you could essentially play Black Widow left, Grandmaster, and then double Widow's Bite? I guess if you had Magic and you had to turn 7, right? Isn't that just filthy?
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, but in the deck that we actually opened this with, when I talked about playing like Korg, Ravonna, into Rock Slide, you could very substitute, like, you could take out Rock Slide, well not, no, you don't draw Rock Slide, but you end up drawing into Black Widow, use Black Widow and Grandmaster, it's essentially the same thing, you're still stuffing a draw and they got two negative ones on their board.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, no, that's true, that is true. This is where, again I'm starting to pull up some cards where I'm like, I feel like triggering some of these, they may not jump out, but you could build some decks around it. The other one I had is Crystal. So I was thinking about this. I'm like, those decks were like, you don't care if your opponent's getting their cards, because you're a combo deck, and you know that if you get your pieces, you're going to win. You know, i. e. Hela. There's obviously other ones, like back in the day, the Hazmat deck. Drawing twice! Here is going down a dangerous road because then at that point, you know, you have the option to play even magic after you re trigger this and then you have all of your cards. You have what you need to do to make it happen. Is this a sneaky great Grandmaster card in the right combo deck?
Alexander Coccia:It's a good point and then you add something like an Irlad to the mix and you basically have access to your entire deck, right? Like, yeah. That's an interesting call. I didn't quite think of that crystal. It was not, not on my bingo card. Cozy talks about crystal today. You just wanted a reason to bring up the best pixel variant in the game, by the way.
Cozy Snap:I did, dude. I did. I, again, I went through every on reveal, and I was like, okay, triggering these twice, like, what could they do? Others, shout out. I've got one for ya.
Alexander Coccia:Okay, listen to this. Okay. Listen to this. Here's the line. Here's the line. Storm turn three. Grandmaster lizard turn four. So lizard going into the storm location. Turn five vision turn six. Dr. Doom. You have two flooded locations.
Cozy Snap:GG.[chuckles]
Alexander Coccia:It's pretty cool. It's kind of like, it's similar to like the legion combo, except it's a turn earlier.
Cozy Snap:Oh, I like this. Even like even Nebula, turn one, you know you could just be done. Like, you just, maybe even Havoc, if it works into that. just have what you need. I guess Havoc would hurt your, your chances. But yeah, I mean, having cards that just build up. Obviously JetBeam back in there. I like it, I like it. Wolfsbane, another great card with just good stats. That if you have her move over, I mean, maybe this could potentially make the long Silver Surfer list. I had that. I like the Storm play. That's, that's that's definitely spicy. Looking at some forecasts, dude, I was also thinking you could end up doing something like the double hit of Ghost Rider. Listen, there's times where this could definitely come into play into these discard Black Knight decks, possibly. Would you ever want, would Ronin decks ever want double hits of Maximus twice? Would you ever want this?
Alexander Coccia:Man, I don't know. Imagine double hitting a Master Mold, though, and they're holding four Sentinels.[chuckles] Like, I just, I never thought, no, honestly, in my, in my notes, I never even considered Ronin.
Cozy Snap:Wow. Because he doesn't play that many on reveals, so it kind of would work on Curve, too. And Ronin could use Crystal. Yeah, dude, hold on. This could be it. It could be the roadie. Here's the spicy brew. It could be the roadie. Yeah, it could be this. Again, I have these under the cook section. So, you know, I put on there. Last two on cook because I always thought it was cool to have you know, some of these guys on curve. Two different cards I thought having access to multiple times. They're not great by themselves, but if you start to trigger them, they can get a little crazy. In that Destroy Package, I thought double Yondu's on Curve was a really just natural, like, hey, you're milling their deck, you're building up a gnoll. I know the argument on Yondu's, like, you can thin their deck, yeah buddy, but if they don't have a deck to play, you're really, you know, you're definitely hurting their chances there. I thought double Yondu on Curve was cool. And then Alex, I'm like, this is kind of interesting. Access to Zero twice is like a new Soran ish kind of deal, huh? Yeah,
Alexander Coccia:kind of. It is. They're playing the same decks. Zero is one of those cards that has gotten niched down to some weird spot where like, it used to be like. Prior and like the beta and stuff like that. It used to be a little more versatile. Now it's only kind of doing the one thing in the one deck. I didn't actually consider that. I got to hold on cozy. I don't want to derail you completely, but I just had this idea while you're talking about Ronin, I kind of started spiraling in my own head for a second, can you create like this infinity loop, like you play Yondu and then you play Grandmaster and then you skip a turn. And then you play like the Absorbing Man. What happens? What's the Absorbing Man, Grandmaster interaction? Like, does Grandmaster reprock the Absorbing Man who then sends them both to the middle?
Cozy Snap:Oh my gosh. Wait, hold on, no, because then it would just send Grandmaster to the middle?
Alexander Coccia:It came to my head, like, what would Grandmaster and Absorbing Man do together?
Cozy Snap:Because you could do, you could play, you'd have to have two separate lanes set up, right? So probably like, one on Reveal on the left, one on the right. You play Grandmaster on the left, it sends the Yondu into the middle, and then you play the Absorbing Man to the right. So theoretically, if there's a combo wombo out there that you want to get them both activated, You could do it. You could well do it. Especially if you have like, Zabu, Ravona. You could then do that both on turn four or whatever. Dude, we're getting deep. This game's gonna get broken. I'm telling you, this is why I had him on a five cost card, guys. And we don't necessarily have like, you know, if I were to tell you decks, I think Surfer, Sare Control, Ravona, C3, we just talked about, Destroy, Discard. Those could be the decks that really shine. But this is truly going, if we wanted a, you know, we wanted this OTA to open things up. If you want a card to do the same thing, look no further. I think Grandmaster is just one that you want in your collection. Guys, I think this is one you absolutely go for. Time will tell. I guess let us go ahead and test it out. I just don't I don't see how this flops, man, I really don't.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, no, it looks like a tremendous card, and No matter what, like, I think it's going to be one of the ones you want to target in your collection for sure. And if you don't have Loki, I mean, the Spotlight Cash, I think it's a roll, right? Loki's going to be fantastic, and situationally, Hitmonkey has been Actually, there was a time Hitmonkey was one of the best cards in Snap. Let's not forget that. Hitmonkey used to be one of the absolute best cards in Snap, so We're only just slightly removed from that, so it's a strong Spotlight Cash key week as it is, And Grandmaster looks like it's going to Like, we've been talking this whole time, it's like 40 something minutes, It's And it's just combos with Taskmaster Grandmaster. I'm going to say Taskmaster non stop.[chuckels]
Cozy Snap:Just him though, like that's the thing, like we haven't even gone into like the deck play and where you can get things happening because I think there are so many options. And anytime we've seen this, you name it, Blob Ravonna, Nico, it's cards that work in any deck. Iron Lad, we're, we're begging people to get it because you're going to want it. You're going to see how I'm already, future comments, here we go. What do I replace Grandmaster with? Absorbing Man and you have a terrible deck. I mean, like, there's not going to be a correct answer to that.
Alexander Coccia:I Replace it with deleting the deck.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, exactly. So this is, you know, let this serve as probably your advisory of, of a very, very Very good card but we're gonna have to wait and see on that. Now, let's go ahead and transition to I can't wait, by the way, to talk about him in review the next week, just because we're gonna be, like, on the other side. Like, holy sh what happened? What was that last week in Snap? That was wild.
Alexander Coccia:I can't believe it's a one star card.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, I know. Oh my god, he flopped. We're terrible. I quit.
Alexander Coccia:It seems kind of impossible he's gonna flop.
Cozy Snap:I don't see it. Yeah, I don't. Famous last words. Famous last. Let's talk about the OTA, buddy. We had a lot of cards changed. We were hoping this would bring some change. I guess we go ahead and could start at Blob, who was notoriously hit the hardest per se. That was the only nerf in the bunch. He is now a 6 0 from the 6 4, buddy, and he has the 15 proc line. What do you think about Blob? What did this do to the card?
Alexander Coccia:It's funny because like there's been so much like discourse about Blob right now. People are like, Bob's dead, LOL. And other people are like, Bob's not dead. He's fine, right? And he's fine. Let's be honest. He's fine. And as of recording, I know there's a ton of experimentation like negative and stuff like that, which is funny. How many times have you talked about like Cozy specifically always talks about Mr. Negative and anything dropping to zero power automatically becoming irrelevant negative card. And the first thing that happened. On Thursday, I go to stream and nonstop blob negative and all this stuff. Right. So people were kind of brewing there, which is nice to see, but honestly, the card, I think the nerf is intelligently designed. It's it's so what they did was they basically reduced its ceiling, kept the variance, which is what made blob powerful, right? Like you didn't quite know how big it was going to get. Because of the way like the stones work. It's more likely to be closer to 15 in Thanos, but if you happen to hit like a good examples, like a red skull into an infinite, it'll actually go all the way up to 34. Right. So ultimately I think the, the change was warranted. Obviously this was a metal warping card. And I guess time will tell if it does enough or if it was too much.
Cozy Snap:Yeah. So it's two fronts on that. First of all, you know, I do think we've seen a trend of like new cars getting nerfed, new cards getting nerfed, and I definitely get the frustration there. And I think. You know, the line's gotta stop. They definitely have to do better. I think they know that. We know that. No question there. It Maybe I played a lot of MOBAs growing up. The one thing I have to say is, like, the comments that I see of people complaining that the card's, like, bad or dead or, like, I can't believe I just bought Like, it's so good still. It doesn't You know, this isn't Elsa. This isn't you know, whatever. It's like when Loki got nerfed the first time, and people were so mad about it. I had to make a tweet. They were so mad about it. And it's like, he he reigned for how long? Five months more? Like, four months more? Same case, you know, Blob is still really good. If you can get him off, he's gonna do a lot, and his power's through the roof. So, I think you still have a great card, and they did one of the few things they could do to make him still good. And spoiler, the Thanos deck is stupid good still. It's like insanely good. It didn't drop at all, you know what I mean? It's not like a bad deck now or anything like that.
Alexander Coccia:And let's bear in mind that things change rather fast in Marvel Snap. It wasn't so long ago that Soul Stone got nerfed and like, people were declaring Thanos just dead. People were like, Thanos is done. How do I refund this card? Right. The next thing you know, it blob comes out like blah, blah, blah, blah, comes out and the card, the deck rises back up again. And so yeah, like listen, time's going to tell. For sure. Yeah. But I, I do think the, the change to blob was pretty good from a standpoint of game design too, because now they have an additional dial so that 15 or more power dial gives them something else they can tune. If the card's still a little high, they can change it to 12 to give them another proc above. They can do a lot of stuff to Good point, to change the way it cha the way the card can impact the future of snap two. So they added a dial, which can help it kind of reign it in if required.
Cozy Snap:They've been doing that with like Dracula or you know, Galactus, like where they can like. They've made changes, and then they've made a change to make it a lot easier to say This is our second only time where we've had an ability change in an OTA week. So much so that I was like, kind of taken back from it. I was like, Oh yeah, I forgot they, they do that. So definitely, one thing I liked about in the notes, kind of tucked away in there, was when they brought Destroyer up to a 16, which good to see him back, man. Good to see this guy back to a 16. They talked about just power for 6 cost cars. They're trying to really, like, kind of bring that back to be equalized a bit. And I think that's important, you know. I think Destroyer was kind of just the beginning there. But definitely want to see Like, there's no reason this car shouldn't have been 16 power, you know. We waited how long for that to happen. But definitely good to see Destroyer go up there. We'll move on, move the conversation to Hercules going up to seven and Dagger, Dagger going to zero power, but getting plus three, man. Did you play any move?
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, so I, but I did not get as much time with move yet, right? And I know that you've been banging with move. So like, I'm actually really interested in hearing your side of this, but Dagger seems fantastic. I really like this change a lot. It has this very high ceiling, very, very high ceiling, which I think move needed and to some degree move always had. But like, it was so hard to get that ceiling, right? And so the blob factor, it's like, move. Hey, look, I can get human torch, play human torch. And then I, you know iron fist and ghost spider. And I Heimdall and I do all this. I play Hercules and I bounce them all over the place. I get them up to some decent power level. And then someone just says, left clicks blob. It gets the same power, and it's like, oh, come on, man, like, I had to work so hard for this power, and Blob just went glub glub glub glub, and just got, you know, more power. So, like, I felt for players that were trying to make, like, Phoenix Force is exactly the same way. Like, you pray for these combo pieces to fall in place, you do, and someone plays Blob, and they outpower your Phoenix Force, right? So, like Dagger is super vertical. It's super common sense. I like it. I like it a lot. And dagger was low key. Hey, when we had Molt on, like what, months and months ago, Molt was like, hey, dagger is a slept on move card. And now it's better than ever, so.
Cozy Snap:Here's the thing with dagger. First of all, what I love is like, simply put, like, It hasn't evolved yet. We haven't seen it, and I've talked about it a couple times, and I've been test This is the deck I've been testing on the side. It's like this Tempo Move deck, Tempo Move deck. I'm like, well, you don't go all in on the movement package, but just having Iron Fist and Dagger on turn 6 is a 3 cost play getting 14 power, if you do it right, right? Like, just Three costs for 14 power, we haven't seen anything like that. So, and then you can even get that crazier if you had other combo pieces. So, just at its core, she's another threat that you needed in move that wasn't your typical human Like, human torch scaled, it's like, and it still almost remains the same when I was playing a lot of it, is if they don't have Killmonger and you're, you're certain of that, you do the torch route, and then Zagre now is this kind of option two. Like, playing Dagger in the middle, and then you Torch around, and then you just Heimdall at the end is perfect, because you're getting, like, two big lanes. The thing about Move that I've seen, first of all, I said it on my video today, we all suck with Move. Like, don't even pretend people are good with Move. I suck with Move. Like, I I thought I was playing good yesterday. I got, like, nine comments on how much I sucked, and I should have done this, this, and that. I'm like, you're right. I I could have. I didn't even see it. Move is like Cerebro, where like, there'd be 2 decks that are so good. I know players that are just like top, top infinite players with it. But they're like 47%, 50 percent winrate decks because the masses suck with it. And Move is still that, almost. It's still kind of that. People have to still become better, but this is definitely a cog in the right direction. And Dagger's a great standalone card. No question about it. I'm excited to see where Move can go. The Hercules change didn't do all that much. I almost think you're better off not playing him, but he does have some really good ceiling. He can get some crazy things popping off. You don't, you don't have to have him in your deck, but I do like that he's seven. I think it's eight. It's like, doesn't make sense that they ignore 2099. Like, why? He got a buff in a week, man. Not even. And then 2099, this guy's just begging for life at this point, yeah?
Alexander Coccia:I bet you 2099 gets changed to it destroys the most, highest power card in the lane. I bet you that's what happens. And I wonder if it does it for both players. I, I don't know. I, I think Spider Man 9, 2099 probably needs a change at some point. And but apparently, I mean, in the Q& A, it was a couple months ago now, I think Glenn said, like, Hey, internally, this card performs better than you think it does, which is notable, but for every time I've played it, it feels terrible.
Cozy Snap:For me, six power seems like such a dead stat line. Like, if you go to the six power cards, if they don't have a great ability, Or another place they belong, they're dead. Like, Thing, okay, you have high Evo. You know Stegron ain't played that much. Namor's not played all that much. Ironlad, good ability. Jrax, garbage. White Queen, kind of power crept at this point, right? So, you look at four sixes and they're like, they're bad. They're just bad cards. And so, they need an ability that really makes up for it. And I think Spider2099 is next in line. Listen, we have like back to back OTAs now. We're cards that we've been begging. We've been begging for them to get buffed. I finally got it. I don't know. I feel the same about Electra as I did with Punisher. Kind of just like, oh, cool. Got the power. C2, still not the best C2 play, I don't think. I think she's cool. I think it works. I just was hoping for maybe a little bit more.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, thanks for buffing Electra after Kaira comes out, by the way, that's a great touch. You know, just to make sure that we can't, we still can't play the card. Yeah, but like, yeah, it's just, it's kind of irrelevant. But again, it's, I don't want to tilt Cozy, but it's obviously protecting the new player experience, like very clearly protecting the new player experience. He's already upset guys, look at his face, he's angry. But yeah, like it's, it's kind of a meaningless buff unless they completely change the card. I don't know.
Cozy Snap:And then lastly, Alex, we end on dazzler. Oh my gosh. I, I'm over the moon. Okay. I Binks used to gimme so much crap for loving Dazzler, even as a three costs. She used to be a four costs. She's now a two costs, same stinking two, two with a plus two for each location that's full on your side. This immediately in my book. Put Dazzler as a flex card in just about any deck that likes to play cards in a good amount of them at that. I even like her in Loki, believe it or not. I think this was the perfect change, man, to have a card that, if she was a 3 cost, best case scenario, she's a 3, what, 8, and you busted your butt for a Gladiator play. Now it's a 2 2. With a two way potential.
Alexander Coccia:It's interesting. Cause like, I think this card and this change, it speaks to what we discussed earlier with grandmaster, the idea of like at two costs, you can slide it and fit it like into plays where you might not be able to fit it otherwise. And that's exactly what this dazzler does. And I was testing it in a whole bunch of different shells, I was testing it in Patriot, I was even testing it in something like a Zoo shell. And what was interesting about that, was that like, if you think about what Zoo looked like, Okay, so Zoo was unplayable for the longest time, at higher levels, of course, if you're in like Pool 1 and 2, that's different. But, in higher collection levels, you can't play Zoo. However, we had Chiara come out, which was a defensive piece for Zoo, and then, now you have Dazzler at 2 2, and what's notable about this, is cause, at, you kinda had this play pattern of, okay, I play a one drop, which is like an Ant Man, now I can play Dazzler, And then I can play, you know something relevant on turn three, whatever it is, then turn four, Kazar, turn five, Blarvel, then turn six, like it fits in so much better because before your turn six was like, what do I do? Do I play Dazzler and Shana and just like, that's my turn six? Like, that's not good enough. She just slots in ever so much better. And it raises that archetype just a little bit more. So Kaira and Dazzler just kind of creeping it up a little bit. I'm not saying it's relevant yet. But this is not insignificant.
Cozy Snap:No, I think it is relevant, because even Shauna, I mean, we just, she just got, you know, tuned not too too long ago. Like, they put a lot of love into Zoo. You, you are 100 percent correct. And then you now have flex plays. Blue Marvel on 5. If you don't do Blue Marvel, Valkyrie just fits in perfectly into Zoo, because you have ongoing stats that can build up, like Ant Man. We're starting to see that. Patriot, I think, got a good love bit. Ultron's return. We've got a little bit of, Dazzler's starting to fit. And talk about a card that when you take an energy point away, you're helping what that card does. That's what they said in the OTA notes. So true. You have now ways to continue to play these cards down. I love it, man. I mean, think about it. She was a four cost. They took her down. They fixed the location thing, like Space Throne now activates her as well. They really made this card work. And I just, I could not be more happy for her because I think she is now a very fun and great flex play at the 2 cost slot.
Alexander Coccia:And what's interesting though is we kind of bring up Shauna, which Shauna and Dazza were often played like synergistically together and so like, a kind of buff to Shauna. By extension was the change to Celine because Celine is now a one two. Oh yeah. Okay. And not just in one negative one, which would've obviously been horrible to come outta Shauna. It's still bad to come outta Shauna. But anyway, so Celine got changed as well. But I'll be honest with you, I'm not sure if this is actually a buff,'cause the way I was playing Celine, like I was playing Celine as like I wanted that extra piece to kick over with an nili.
Cozy Snap:Totally get it.
Alexander Coccia:Now she doesn't.
Cozy Snap:Totally get it. I think it's, I think it's a buff, I, I play, I've been playing a lot of Celine. I, I think it's a buff. For multiple reasons, just the package of Revelle and the Goblins and Selene is really nice to have. But also, there are just so many use cases where like, the 2 on your side just feels better than the negative 1. Viper, if Viper was taken to a 2 cost again, then I would be pissed about the Selene. I think so, because I would, you would have multiple ways to kind of kick cards over maybe. Junk is not dead, as people might think it is. It's not played the same. I do, I like this Selene change. I think this Selene change was biggest. For Galactus, most honestly. But man, the negative three power that you can play and keep some initiative going. I thought this was a great change, and definitely opened my eyes to her, and it had me play her a lot more. So, I think they nailed the OTA, altogether. I know maybe it doesn't bounce off the page for some people, but they handled the blob in the biggest meta counter. They gave some spice to old cards that didn't have the love. They made a couple cards really good, and Archetype's great at that. You combine all that, Alex, with Grandmaster, and we have ourselves, most likely, a pretty new Fresh meta, buddy. So I'm excited to see what this week brings, man.
Alexander Coccia:Cozy, I know it's been a wonderful week down in San Diego. How's it been in Marvel Snap? And what has been one of your absolute favorite decks you've been playing this week?
Cozy Snap:Oh good question. I started playing a lot of move, but I think by far a new variation of kind of the Discount Disrupt Selene Goblin Package. I've been having a lot of fun with that again. Trying to bring back junk a little bit has been by far what I've been playing the most. Nothing like sending a negative six goblin man to the other side. So a lot of junk actually. How about you?
Alexander Coccia:You know what I've been playing so many different things. I've been trying to play some new Destroyer stuff I even tried to do like this like toxic ramp deck where you like because 5 trying to kick over the Electro and I've been playing with this idea of like trying to use ramp as this like toxic kind of activator and it's been fun It's been real fun, but I'm trying to find a new deck with Destroyer. I got a I've been playing with Kang again With Destroyer and Shuri and Nimrod, you got the whole team back together, baby. So, I mean, every time you get a massive OT, I think it's just a lot of fun to just get brooding. And that's what I love the most about Marvel Snap. I know a lot of people, they get driven by ranking up. A lot of people get driven just by getting to infinite. And other people get driven by infinity. Infinity tickets, right? Or Infinity Borders. For me, debt crafting is what gets me excited and sharing that with everybody.
Cozy Snap:I love that you say this because we're gonna go into Miek and with that, like when I did my Miek Guide, I've been doing this more often. I have two lists in my video. The Fun list. That's like a good win rate. You're gonna, you're gonna get like, you know, it's gonna be a good performer. Maybe 52, 50 3%, but dammit, you're gonna have a good time playing it. IE the Gambit craziness. Or, the more dependable list, if you're looking for stats and the value play and you want to win the most with this archetype. And I think that kind of covers both bases, right? Some archetypes do that twice, but I felt like Miek did a great job at really highlighting that a bit, man. And definitely was an interesting card. With a lot of takes, people definitely had their opinions on it.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, like, off the top, I'll be honest with you I like Miek. Yeah. I, like, people were, like, down on Miek, hating Miek. I'm like, they're like, Miek sucks. I'm like, Miek doesn't suck! He's a one cost card! What do you want him to do? What do you want him to be? Grandmaster? Ruining the meta? Come on, now! Miek's gonna be just fine at one cost, if not overstated at times. So right off the rip, I like, oh now I'm talking like you now. Right off the rip, Cozy. Let's get some star rankings from you, buddy.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, dude, I, same here. I released my Miek thing like, within like four or five hours and I'm, I'm proud, man. I see my list on the stats. It's doing really well still and nothing feels good, right? You know, I know you felt that. You're like, yeah, it feels good to see one of your lists up there. And, but I was seeing a lot of stuff. Like, he sucks, he sucks, and I'm like, oh no. What if I just had a lot of good games, right? Because you can only test so many times. I'm like, okay, like four hours, I thought he was good, but maybe, maybe I'm wrong. I felt like he was good. The tough part is, because his flexibility is a one star, and it's gonna be a one star, it's always tough with cards like these to say like, hey, this guy's a three, four, five star. I think he's a, the reason I give him a 3. 5 in discard, you could say 4, the reason I give him 3. 5 is because he is replaceable, ultimately. And anytime something's replaceable, I can't give him a 4 or 5 star but you get this guy, it's not hard to dictate where he goes, and it's not hard to get him up to silly power, you know. That's my opinion, how about you?
Alexander Coccia:So first of all, he's zero star outside of anything other than Discard. Like, compared to what we were talking about with Grandmaster, which can be splashed and everywhere. Grandmaster kind of reminds me of like Ms. Marvel. Ms. Marvel could have been put everywhere. Miek obviously can't be put everywhere. However, in Discard, I'm willing to say he's a 3, star card. I'd be willing to go 4 star. And the reason for that is, I'll tell you what the problem was. I don't think Miek was the problem. I think reliable discard was the problem because what happens is when you keep Miek did not change or did not kind of replace Chavez. The win rate and the play pattern loss when Chavez was changed did not get replaced by Miek. That simple. You have Black Knight, which is over performing as a discard archetype, like you have, or you have discard as an archetype. Then you have Black Knight and then you have Reliable Discard. You take Chavez out of Reliable Discard, you plug in Miek. It's not the same deck. Miek was never going to be able to do what Chavez did. Okay. And Miek doesn't really go in the Black Knight decks because there's, they're very targeted discards. It's a very different thing. So Miek got stuck in this middle ground. We're like, okay, in the discard archetype, I even get niched in. So it's like talking about a niche card, you end up. With, like, the reliable discard side, which is just not as good. It's just not a Chavez replacement. And so if that version of discard is not competitive, then Miek won't be competitive. The card is good. The card itself is good. It's just that where it's being played in the shell is not what it used to be.
Cozy Snap:I mean, it's still a good win rate. I mean, it's at like 54%, even at the highest level of plays. And so to me, that's, that's not bad. I 100 percent agree. In my video of Miek, I said this. I said, when they removed Chavez from the game, it hurt discard. It took away like three pieces to discard, right? Because first, you had more dependable of getting MODOK and the cards you need. Second, you could then have a certified card to play on turn six. And then third, Dracula could have a certified card to absorb, right? So like, that was doing so much, and you're right, Miek doesn't replace that. But, what you do replace is, how do you get back to that power? And Miek is adding at least one, one and a half to the three that you took away, right? We have cards coming in February, we can talk about that all day. But right now in the present, you have now this Collector slash Morbius slash trying to get a lot of Swarms and your Apokai. To build up these two cost cards and then you have just a good raw value stats of discard slash the gambit package, right? So like to me, you're just having a different way to play it and it's bad. It's, it's good. Made me love it again. It made me actually like discard again. I can say that confidently.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, absolutely. And like, as you said, the discard the win rate is pretty high. Like we have a list I'll show it on the screen here currently running a 56 percent win rate. Miek, Blade, Morbius, Wolverine, Swarm, Colleen Wing. You got. Gambit, Lady Sif, Dracula, Hellcow, Modok, and Apocalypse. I mean, this is a very strong shell and it's performing really well. The question becomes is, would you rather play this or Black Knight in a competitive scenario? I tend to think that the Black Knight version has higher highs and therefore can be a little more like in a competitive scenario, I would expect Black Knight to be better. However, what you and I did. Which was really, it's so fascinating that you and I kind of came to a very similar conclusion. And I think that people have really picked up on this was I called it machine gun Miek, right? The idea of using a Wong, MODOK, and I got a little greedier than you. I think I used onslaught where you had, and you had cut the onslaught from the deck, but I was like, I'm all in dammit. So the idea here was like, basically, as you said, you have collector, you have Morbius and you have Miek. You have three cards that when you're just pounding Modok over and over and over again with those swarms, it's generating a ton of value, like an incredible amount of value. And you could even do a, you can, you can actually even get blade in there. And on turn six under Wong, you can actually play Modok and blade together. And they'll just, they'll keep proccing like this, right? So it's pretty cool what you can do. And these cards get huge! I had to make it like 28. A 28! It was a 128! It was ridiculous.
Cozy Snap:Having Morbius go up to a bit It made me like love Morbius again. Because you're trying to do the same thing again. Like you're trying to just get like, Discard as much as you plausibly can. And like, that's why like, Wong, Like people see a deck with Wong and they're like, Oh brother. And I'm like, no, like this is actually working here. Because you can just Even if you just barely get out enough to, to get them going, like, Bro, I was playing Modok Miek last turn of the game, and it was enough to get the job done, right? So, 100 percent agree. I mean, I think a lot of the reasons why me and you have a lot of similar blends is because we're here, we're talking about the cards early, and then we get to play the test of cards, and we're, we're all hyped up. Now, Grandmaster, another story, because there's like 90 things to, to test out there, I feel like. But yeah, I feel like The thing about comparing it to Black Knight is it reminds me of, like, I had a commenter on my, on one of my move videos be like, Yeah, Phoenix Force is better. And I'm like, no, it's, it's, it's just different. Like, I feel like Black Knight to discard is Phoenix Force to move. It's not exactly that archetype. It's really not. It's its own thing, and it's, you know what I mean? Like, if you're playing discard, this felt like playing discard again. Whereas when I'm playing Black Knight, I don't feel like I'm playing discard, really. I'm playing a Black Knight deck. Same with Phoenix Force. Does that make sense?
Alexander Coccia:Okay, tell me if, okay, I'm trying to do an analogy here. Tell me if this makes sense. So, straight up discard, right? Like, traditional discard. That's like, Pepsi, right? And then, like or Coke. And then, when you go into, like, Black Knight, that's kind of like Coke Zero, where it's like, it's kind of the same thing, but it's not actually the same thing.
Cozy Snap:Coke to Pepsi. Yeah, yeah, I think Pepsi's always been the little brother to Coke, man. I mean, are you a Pepsi guy? I don't, I don't really, I don't know. You said Pepsi first, so I was, I'm taking back.
Alexander Coccia:I'm just trying to speak in the vernacular of the people. I, I don't really know. I, like, I I don't drink a lot of pop. I, I think I've mentioned on the podcast before that, like, my drink of choice, if I'm gonna, you know, get a little lubricated, is gonna be a, like Rye and Coke, like a Rye and Pepsi, kind of like a, like a whiskey and a Coke mix. Coke. Yeah, yeah.
Cozy Snap:Coke over Pepsi. There's a movie called, Coke over Pepsi, you said it? That's how you say it?
Alexander Coccia:Coke over Pepsi. Yeah, Coke over Pepsi. I mean, because, I forgot what the movie is, but this guy can't tell a lie. People will know what I'm talking about. This guy can't tell a lie. The whole world can't Liar Liar? No, no, no. A good movie, but no. I know which one you're talking about. And he goes to the bank, and they give him, they tell him he has a million dollars, and he doesn't know what to do?
Cozy Snap:Yeah, yeah, so nobody can lie in this world, but he figures out how to lie. It's like, The Invention of Lying may be the name of it, I think. I think that's the name. Yeah, I know exactly what movie you're talking about. So the commercials on this were hilarious. Not the commercials for the movie, but in the movie setting. Because commercials can't lie. They can't tell, you know, it's like you can't overhype anything. And so it was funny because Pepsi's commercial on this world was Pepsi for when you don't have a Coke. It's essentially the truth. Like it's, that's how I view it. I thought they summed it up there. Pepsi's always like, I don't know if you're sitting down, but in America, man, I'm like, I'll have a Coke. And they're like, oh, we have Pepsi. I'm like. I'll just have a water.
Alexander Coccia:It's fine. I wonder what YouTube would look like in that world. Yeah. Like the titles. Like I can only imagine what YouTube titles would look like.
Cozy Snap:Hercules f ing sucks. Yeah. On the title. Yeah, no, 100 percent man. But anyway, I'm so glad you knew that movie. Very niche of a movie. Like, I don't think it's that popular, but it's actually pretty funny and sad. It was a, it was like a good drama almost. So go check it out. Anyway, we're off topic a bit, but yes, I do agree. You have Apocalypse. Discard feeling like the main thing, Black Knife or something else. All I know, man, was I was excited to play traditional discard once again.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, like, it's one of my favorite archetypes. It was nice to get back into it. I do want to talk about two things, though, specifically with Miek that really bothered me. The first is It not working with Black Cat, that has to be a bug, right? Like, that seems so ridiculous. Like, I was like, really? It's not working with Black Cat? Like, it wasn't really gonna fit that well in Black Cat, but I was like, trying to experiment, like, Yeah, this is so stupid! Like, it just seems like, it's like, what, the after turn effect reveal order?
Cozy Snap:That was so stupid! It's so du Like, I had less of a problem with the turn six thing. I could care less. I was like, whatever! Like, I figured out how to build around that. I built my graphics ahead of time, and I had Black Cat as a good support card, because like, no cra Talk about they want to make things more simple to understand. I Why Why would Black Cat not w If you discarded any cards, game plus one She's discarding herself. It made no sense.
Alexander Coccia:I know why. It's the same reason why people get confused when there's two Miss Marvels on the board. They reveal their end of turn state based on play order. So if Miek goes down first, he reveals his end of turn check and then Black Widow not Black Widow. Black Cat reveals her end of state, and that's why, right? It's the order of operation. But like, I don't know, I ain't a programmer, which is like, hey, Miek, check last, maybe. And it fixes Dracula too, because I don't care, man, it should move when Dracula discards at the game. Like, it's not really, it doesn't make sense to me that Dracula in Apocalypse, which is core to that specific version of discard that we're talking about. The version of discard that Miek is Fully applicable and the only version of Discard that Miek can be played in. One of the key synergistic plays of Apocalypse Dracula does not work with Miek. That is mind boggling to me. It's like buying a Ferrari and then putting on square tires. I mean, you'll be fine, man. Just drive faster. It'll be fine. It's like, no, but Miek should have been working with Dracula. It should have been working with the black cat. It makes no sense.
Cozy Snap:He just feels different than the other cards. And I don't like that. Like for instance, I would have died either way, but I'll put it in a scenario that makes sense. I got a Miek up to, like, 30 power, and I was so excited to see it. I'm like, oh my god, here we go! It was a Kamar Taj Wong on the swarms, and I'm like, here we go, I can't wait! And my opponent killmongered, so it killed the Miek, right? But in an example where you have armor and Wakanda, and you're trying to send that Miek over, you don't get you you you have to wait for things to process, and it just dies, and it's just It feels so clunky! It feels so clunky that it doesn't happen at the end of me doing what I just did, right? Like, I just did my turn. At the end of my turn, it should go over, but it doesn't. I have to wait for him to go to, it's just, it's, it's awkward. It was so funny.
Alexander Coccia:You mentioned that. Cause it kind of brought me back. I had a very similar game too. And when my Miek died, I wasn't upset about the cubes loss. It was like my content.
Cozy Snap:No, dude. I literally kept the battle. Cause I was like, it would have been cool guys. Like my more, I've been there. yeah, yeah, yeah totally.
Alexander Coccia:An extension of this conversation is, I don't know what your opinion on this is, but like, should it work with invisible woman? Because, like, Invisible Woman is, like, literally a core component of a lot of discard based strategies. Like, Miek seems to, like, be a discard card that was not designed for discard. You know what I mean? Like, it's not working. It's not working in the archetype. Like, the way people play discard, Miek is like, No, I don't do that. I don't do Invisible Woman. I don't do Dracula. Screw you, Dracula. discards. Like, what?
Cozy Snap:I played a guy that lost Dark Dimension because he did all these discards on Dark Dimension, and Miek was just like Like, did nothing. Just did nothing. And I was like, cause I even commented, I'm like, Oh, I lost! Wait, Miek, Miek didn't do anything. Oh, it was after the, and I'm like, I have to like rewire how it works. So yeah, definitely that's the part missing of Miek, but everything else we really liked about the card and he felt good to play on just about any Terrium, which, you know, we gotta love.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, ultimately, I do think it's a very good card. I like it for discard, and as we discussed prior, very strong discard piece. Notable 3000 tokens, by the way. It is notable that when we try to do this comparison, it's half the cost. It's half the cost, which makes sense. And I actually agree with that because now it varying, like, instead of like paying for power, the idea of like, Oh, a series five card, that's really strong or strong should be whatever the idea of like, Hey, this is a card that like, is very niche, very specific to discard. You're not going to be playing everywhere. Yeah. Make it 3000 grandmaster, which can go everywhere. Yeah. Make it 6, 000 or whatever it is. That makes much more sense to me than when we have like really random ones, like that just don't make sense. And it's like, Oh, well, clearly Elias can be a. Series 5, because that's the broken one, and that's why it was done that way, but anyways, I digress. Miek, overall, pretty good. Skippable, though, right? Would you agree? Skippable if you're not a Discard fan?
Cozy Snap:Oh, for sure. Yeah, no question. You won't be missing if you don't play Discard. Meta MVP's at every cost, Alex. Let's talk about it. What are we going to be doing? What are we going to be ranking, and how does this work?
Alexander Coccia:Alright, so this was an interesting new idea that we had, and the idea here was like, let's talk about some cards that are like, just really good cards for Marvel Snap. They're, they have good win rates, they win games, they're fun to play, and people just don't complain about them, because they don't piss you off. Like, the cards in Marvel Snap that are really well designed, the ones that just feel good to play and just, you know, they do their thing and they do it well. And for me, there's so many cards that fit this mold, it was hard. It was hard to pick just one at every cost. So I cheated and I have two just in case you pick mine too, you know, maybe I'll just roll a couple extras in there. Upset cozy, but Hey, what's he going to do? What's he going to, you can get mad again. Cause I'm putting, Hey, for six, I have like nine cards cozy. What are you going to do, buddy?
Cozy Snap:For six. Funny enough. One cost was one of the tougher ones. We're like, pick a good like I was at some costs. I didn't struggle with that much. And then someone was like, you know what? This one makes more sense. So cards that are meta that people don't complain about. We even have like a funny conversation about this the other day where we were like, Why does no one complain about whatever, and then some cards are just like the worst thing in existence? One cost cards, man. I'll let you start. What do you got?
Alexander Coccia:Okay, for me, one of the absolute best performing cards in Marvel Snap that no one complains about is Nebula. Like, really, if you actually think about how good this card is, no one's complaining about Nebula. This card is ridiculous. It is one of the best cards in Snap. Like, it is. And no one's complaining, cause it's so fair. You know why it's fair cozy? Cause it's your own fault that their Nebula's huge, right? Like, that's kind of the way it works. It's true.
Cozy Snap:Nebula is so good. You're not playing the Nebula and or you're not playing on the Nebula. And like, you have to make the conscious choice. Like this guy the other day played Nebula on Luchkia or whatever. And like, I'm like, I don't want to play there. Like, what do I do? You know? And he took the three rocks early. So yeah, totally agree with that one. Mine's Nico, man. I think if it wasn't Nebula, it's gotta be Nico. It's one or the other, right? I think Nico. Feels kinda crazy, but I think the RNG that she has is just enough to be fine, right? So, like, you know, getting two destroyed in Destroy, let's say, it's so busted sometimes. But other times, like, it just doesn't work out on Curve, right? So, I think she's really well done. Again, we always say, want more cards like Nico. There are more with that, I agree, we could pick more. But I think these two are good for one cost.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, and let's just, okay, Cozy, please pay some respect to the fact that like when we were coming up with this idea, the literal inspiration was like, hey, kind of like Nico, Cozy, kind of like Nico. That's exactly what we said and I left it for you because I didn't want to steal it. Another one dropped just special mention. I just, I just have to, I want to just say Misty Knight. I have to. Miss Unite's so good. It is so good. It makes, it makes Evo elevated. And if you take Miss Unite out, the win rate goes down. It straight up goes down. It's one of those low key winners of High Evolutionary that no one really respects.
Cozy Snap:Mine was Deadpool. I just thought Deadpool was like such a, such a great card. That's so fun. It just works. And like, I just, I think they do it well. But yeah. Alright, Two Cost Man. This one, I think, probably a little bit tougher. More so because it's like, is it too good? You know what I mean? Like, trying to find that balance of like, is it too good? What is your two costs?
Alexander Coccia:My two costs. I mean, I went with Jeff. I went with Jeff.
Cozy Snap:Do you think Jeff is perfect as is?
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, I don't think Jeff's a problem. I think he, like he was an answer to lockdown. The only problem with Jeff was that, you know, other lockdown decks played Jeff as well. He's fair statted. I mean, 2 2 would feel awful. 2 3 is just right. You know, you don't lose a game because, Oh, they played Jeff. Well, I mean, that does happen when you're playing pro X. Okay. There, I take that back, but like. Jeff doesn't break you, right? It doesn't break you. It's just perfect to me. It's a perfectly stated card, perfectly designed card. I love it.
Cozy Snap:And we have, in a couple months, War Machine coming out. That makes all of your next turn cards Jeff, essentially. And I think that's cool, because then it allows Jeff to like, do his thing for a cheaper cost, things like that. Probably bring him down a bit. On that note, real quick. Dude, I literally complained, it happened on stream, and the art director guy saw it, and it was hilarious. Johnny, love him. I have this awesome Jeff variant. I'm like, look, I want to split this thing. The rain on this is so cool, right? Like, it's so, like, the animation. I split it. Look at this, man. There's no rain. It's gone. I got rigged. I got hacked. I got gypped. Anyway, I thought I would bring it up now. Two costs. Very tough, because I think there are a lot of them that kind of, like, Hit the mold. Like, oh man, before I say my, did you, is Shadow King fair to you? Or is he too good?
Alexander Coccia:Shadow King's great. I like Shadow King a lot. He's actually one of my honorable mentions. I didn't want to bring up.
Cozy Snap:You like him at a two cost. Okay. Yeah. So Shadow King for me, it was like right on the line. I'm like, is he okay to have as a two cost card? It's tough. Mine together, I have Zabu with Ravonna. I feel like them together, their stat is fine. Maybe Ravonna 2 2, whatever. But like, the way they curve out, you know, I've been playing decks where I get Zabu on, you know, 3, and you're like I don't know if I want to play this. I have these other things in mind. Like, I feel like the way they curve out, kind of like Daredevil, it's just done right. So Zabu, Ravonna, as a package deal I like them together. 3 cost.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, and the thing about Zabu as well is often if you play him like on turn 3, it's like, okay, do I have a turn 6 play that matters, right? Because my turn 6, like, right? Yeah, yeah, Shongers and something else like a Darkhawk that I want to play? So yeah, I love that callout. Number 3. 3 cost. Okay. I I I have a favorite card in Three Costs that I actually don't get to play very often but it's one of my absolute favorite in the game, and I think it's so well designed, it does exa it's just, it's cool Agent Coulson! Isn't it one of the absolute best cards in Marvel Snap? Not from like a win rate perspective, but just a design perspective, a pixel variant perspective.
Cozy Snap:Thank you for letting me bring this Coulson, I appreciate it.
Alexander Coccia:Coulson's incredible! I love this card so much.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, it is. I do. I love, I love Coulson. I'm telling you, if we ever get a draft mode, man, Coulson is gonna just reign supreme. So good at that. What a good pull, man. You had a lot to pick from, and I'm glad that Coulson made your list from that. I had Beast, who I think we talked about. Like, does he, is he too good? Does he do too much? I don't know. I feel like because of Falcon and because of, honestly, how many good 1 cost cards we've had lately, like, now he kind of does his thing. Sometimes he can feel clunky. I think he's a great MVP at the cost stat that he has and just an all around super solid card. I'm jealous that you picked Coulson now. But I think there are a couple more we could have easily picked in this tier, yeah.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, like another one I, I, sorry, I know you're like, Cozy, come on, I gotta just say, I gotta talk about Venom for a sec too, like Venom's another massive one that like, I think has to be brought up. Venom was unplayable, guys. 3 1, it's kinda crazy to think about it, cause like, going back, no one played Venom at 3 1, he gets buffed up to 3 3 and he's everywhere. But like, when do you, when does two power on Venom even matter that much? Like, I feel like I see Venom at, he's like, 24 power half the time. So it's like, okay were we just sleeping on Venom the entire time, and we needed the buff to kind of wake up? Or like, was he actually that much worse?
Cozy Snap:Kind of, back then, dude, Bucky Barnes was being played in Destroy. So like, it's like, it's a, it was a different Destroy world, man. We didn't have really Noel all that much, right? We had him for a couple months, but no one really had him. We didn't have Nico, we didn't have Deadpool with the forge now that we have with the forge, so it was just a different story, but yeah, I do, I know what you mean, like It's like taking a couple power points off Blob. Not what they did, they did a good job. But like, it'd be like, who cares? You're not going for the, for the big, big chunk there. Forecast. Oh boy. What do you have here as the perfect card for the meta?
Alexander Coccia:Okay, so my card that like, I love. I just love so much. I think it's fantastically well designed. It's fun, and it has moments of extreme power. It's Moongirl. Give Moon Girl some love. I mean, this is one of those cards that honestly can set up some of the most broken combos in Snap, but it feels fair. You see it coming. It's expensive at four, right? Like, you get basically two turns, or maybe three if you play the magic, but, you know, you get, you get a limited amount of time where you can pull off those insane combos, but Moon Girl can make a lot happen, so I think it's a really cool card that doesn't get many complaints. But certainly sets up a lot of fantastic combos.
Cozy Snap:That's a solid pick, man. I think, I like that one for creativity wise. I think for me it was Shuri, just cause This kind of brought up this discussion like months ago where me and you were like, no one complains about Shuri. And I think it speaks to like, the great balance that we do have. No? Like
Alexander Coccia:[chuckles] No one complains about Shuri, you said. I can't wait to read my comment section on this video. But what did you just do?
Cozy Snap:Nowadays, dude? Do you think people complain nowadays? I don't see a lot about Shuri nowadays. I truly don't. And this is to the word, from the words of Coach Chat, you know? I felt like, I feel like, to balance a card that doubles a card's power, but when you can do so many other things nowadays, and Shadow King at a two cost. I feel like it's at a good spot.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, we have way more answers and the nerf to, to the way that Shuri is played, like I can't believe the original version of Shuri, how crazy it was, right? The new version gives you some counterplay. So yes, that is definitely a good point there. And but like, yeah, it's, it's. It had to work really hard to get to the point of possibly being a fair card. Meta MVP Shuri Cozy, you're just, you're baiting, you're baiting the community's fervor on my side of the snapchat, man. I see, I see what you're doing there.
Cozy Snap:I'm taking your, I, you know, the conversation, you, I think it was you who said that Shuri is just like a good, a good static card. I feel like I haven't seen a lot, but you know what, Blob was the victim, like, you know what I mean? We, since the dawn of Snap, we have had a villain in Snap. No matter what, and the Twitter Knights come together and they have their new hate, you know, they have to hate something, they don't, they hate their lives, so they're like, What do we hate now? We hate Blob today, you know, and it's like, it is true! It's true! Come on, everyone's always hating something new. Oh, Beast Cozy's best cozy. Oh my gosh, but anyway sure, we might make that list. 5 costs, man. I know you're going to say leech.
Alexander Coccia:I was like, you know, everybody on this podcast. Oh my gosh. Okay. So I do have two, but I'll just say one for me. I think blue Marvel's remarkable. I think it's a fantastically well designed card. I think it does so much to elevate other cards is what it does. It's just, it makes other cards better. It's just, I can't, I can't speak enough positive things about Blue Marble. I think it's a fantastic card. I think it's perfectly balanced, but also extremely relevant. Funny enough.
Cozy Snap:Mine's pool one, two, I had Iron Man. I think both Iron Man and Blue Marble, both pool one, they just do what they do great. They've never needed an adjustment. The five cost for Iron Man feels perfect. You know, you're kind of going all in on the one lane or whatever it is. Obviously, if you get the combo pieces with Mystique and Ravonna, it can get kind of crazy. But I do, I like that you went with the Blue Marvel, I went Iron Man. Just classic, classic pool one cards that they, you know, really have never had to change all that much. And then you had, you said you had nine six costs or something like that?
Alexander Coccia:No, I'm kidding. I wanted, I wanted to shout out Vision as well. Vision, I think is a very fair five drop too. He did get buffed once, right? He went, he was a five, seven, got to five, eight, but overall, I think Vision's a really good fiver as well. And Devil Dinosaur is also my list. Okay. I'm done. I'm done. I'm done. I'm done. I won't do it anymore. All right. Number six. Six costs, Cozy, now I'm going to let you lead in the way here but there's a lot of six drops that honestly I think are very fair. And in fact, I think you even talked about potentially improving some of them in the future in the most recent OTA. They said, Hey, we're keeping an eye on those six drops. We're going to make them a little more relevant. So Cozy, who do you got?
Cozy Snap:I'm going to go into where I got, I have to show you this. Cause I always you know, we, we, we need to do more. I always think we need to do more split openings on the Snapchat, but dude, like I got this and I immediately thought of like it being a Snapchat split. Isn't this like, I'll never get, I'll never, I used my luck, I used my luck for the entire, this bundle came out, I was like, I love Hela, I'll split her one time! And dude, I got this, I got that, I got the split of splits, I think I'm a Hela main now.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, it's a god split, so for those that are listening to the Snapchat, you do have Hela in her green spandex armor. With a flowing cape, her crown of thorns. I don't, I don't know what this is. Is that her hair? I'm not sure. This is, this is one of my weakest reads in a while. We got the gold foil background with the golden Kirby crackle.
Cozy Snap:The Alex only fans voiceovers need a little bit more love next time. That was it wasn't your sharpest for me, man. We talk about him all the time when he got nerfed. In fact, and I kind of forgot about it. We were mad because we thought he was the perfect card for snap. The definition of it, it's gotta be Dr. Doom, man. It's gotta be Dr. Doom. I feel like Dr. Doom is what is a standard, great, perfect card. Yeah. I love him. Especially now that they've kind of slowed down lockdown a little bit. You know what I mean? It's gotta be Doom.
Alexander Coccia:I love it. I love the pick. Doom was one of my options here and I agree. And they even took Doom down. They nerfed it and they're like, no, we can't do this. It's too iconic to snap. Everyone's upset. Not because the card was breaking the meta by any means. People just want to play Dr. Doom. It feels like a very. Fair turn six play. It's the perfect turn six play. Yeah. Like it really is it, you're attacking all three lanes. It's not too much power. Everything about it was just a perfect fair six drop card. So I'm glad that they reverted the Nerf for me, six drop, I mean, it's a card that's never been changed once. It has a remarkable turn six impact and it's Magneto magneto. If it wasn't Dr. Dune had to be magneto. Yeah, it has to be. Magneto is such an incredible card and really. It wins games solo. It wins games solo and you started to see it a little bit with Ms. Marvel, a little bit, like to counter Ms. Marvel a little bit, but ultimately, like, you pull over Venoms, you pull over Ms. Marvels, you pull over pretty much whatever they're relying on to win. And I do really think that Magneto is one of the best design cards and stuff.
Cozy Snap:Man, yeah, we nailed it with the two. We got the two. The two that we always talk about is just like staples that have been outside of Doom's, you know, brief disappearance, about the same since the beginning. Of Marvel Snap, dude. We're gonna do that topic more often. I think that's a fun one to, like, to revisit, you know?
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, it definitely is. And we will do it again in the future. But now in the present, we have to do our Snapchat mailbag. And if you're interested in leaving a question for Cozy and I, type mailbag and leave us a question. We'll pick a couple every single week to go through here. And Cozy, I got one for you. And this is from Matthew Picton. Matthew says, hi, I love the podcast. In conquest mode, I have racked up a very good amount of infinity tickets thus far and would consider myself to be a pretty good player in the mode. In Ranked, however, I have been stuck in Galactic for a whole season and can't get to Infinite. My question is, why do you think that some people are better at a particular mode? And what are the different skill sets needed for each mode?
Cozy Snap:Oh wow, yeah, that's a good one, man. Well, they are very different. They're very different game modes. Decks are different. Gameplay is different. Knowing what your opponent has is vastly different, right? I would say if you're like, a decent player at Proving Grounds and getting a lot of tickets, you should be good at, you know, rank for the most part, because it's kind of the same thing. You kind of have to, I feel like the big difference is, number one, is being able to have a, whatever deck you're playing is consistent enough. To go against a wide variety of decks. Like, if you're playing a combo deck in Conquest, you just lead till you get the combo, and then you go all in on that one. Whereas you go into Ladder, you have that one shot, and you've already snapped back because you thought you had it, and then they add the answer to it. I feel like a bit of the decks you go against are vastly different. It's why Sarek Control during Infinity Conquest Week is always the best deck. Because it has tech cards, and it can just answer the wide varieties of decks out there. It's different play, and more importantly, when you lose in Conquest, you have another chance. When you lose in Rank, you go down in Rank. And that, you know, consistency is absolute key.
Alexander Coccia:And I also think that in, to some degree, like what you're saying about Sarah control, like the matchup can play a larger factor in conquest. It doesn't mean like it's insurmountable, like a bad matchup. You can definitely still win, but it does have a factor. The other thing is, I think that the major core difference between the two is going to be the management of resources. Whereas in conquest mode, your health is a resource. And so you could even use it as like, okay, I'm going to go to turn six here because I want to see what cards they're playing. And I'm going to retreat, but I want to see what they have in their hand. I'm playing through turn five because I want to see what their turn five is going to look like using your health to trade information, using your health to like, okay, you know, I could go four cubes here, but my win percentage is pretty low. I would rather retreat and take a higher percentage gamble later on managing your health. I think is a major difference in individual ladder matches. You're kind of obvious, obviously you're identifying each win probability based on the match itself. In Conquest, it's about all those mini battles. And you can win a war of attrition by winning, by basically forcing them to retreat, forcing them to retreat. And winning those small battles ultimately add up for you to ultimately win the the Conquest.
Cozy Snap:What was his name, Matthew? Matthew, yeah. Matthew, and Matthew you are a good player by the way, like you can be a good ranked player, absolutely. If you have the skill set to be good in Conquest, you definitely have the exact same tangibles. And you just have to, you know maybe refine on a couple of those things or play whatever less combo heavy decks or the resource thing. Absolutely, buddy. You're still definitely a good player in Snap, though. What is our next question, Mr. Alex?
Alexander Coccia:Our next question comes from Willer Honey. The question reads, are there any cards that got nerfed into Oblivion that you'd like to see come back? As an example, Kitty Pryde, Luke Cage, or Mobius.
Cozy Snap:Hmm. That's a good question. There's a couple of them. I feel like, yeah. Do you have one on you?
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, I lean towards Elsa. I feel like Elsa needs something like that was a season pass card. I liked the way it played. They knocked down both its multiple location impact while also knocking down its power. I think they can give one of those back. And then of course it'll break the meta probably, but anyways, but that's that's the one that came to mind immediately because I actually felt Elta, Elta, Elta was really fun, especially with like the night crawlers, the Jeffs, the visions. It was playing this pseudo move package that worked really well with the card. So I'd like to see Elsa come back to some degree.
Cozy Snap:It's funny you say that, but so mine's Captain Marvel. I feel like really, we had this great couple of weeks, man. Do we have a good, it was a great couple of weeks. I get it because of the time or whatever. I feel like now though, we have it's fine. You know, I, it's. It's tough putting her there because she's like the card that you always want to play because it gives you more. I don't know. I just feel like the game's evolved since then and I really would like to see her back in the swing because she's gone. She's absolutely gone now, you know, and I would love to see her come back. So that would definitely be my answer.
Alexander Coccia:Man, I'm so disappointed. I didn't even think of Captain Marvel. Literally one of my favorite people say Alex What's your favorite card in Marvel snap? And I'm like, it's Captain Marvel like in terms of design the way it moves the actual text I love Captain Marvel and you're right I'd love to see her come back because there was like a two week time where like it was just it was beautiful It was beautiful Our next question comes from John. First off, y'all are amazing. Keep up the great work. Thank you. Just, hey, listen, I'm just trying to keep up with Cozy's haircut. It's just, it's too good. Too fresh every single week. Is this game truly RNG? I could have been playing a control deck and I rarely see a move deck. The moment I start playing move, I mirror match into a handful of move decks. This seems to be happening more often. It's the question of deck matching, CozySnap. Does deck matching exist?
Cozy Snap:No, I mean, I, it doesn't. It'll seem like it, I totally get it. It doesn't though. I think it's been now a year plus of this question circulating. I like, boy, do I totally resonate and I have been there. I have played, you know, I've finally switched to Mr. Negative and I'm playing a Mobius player and I'm like, what are the odds, man? I didn't see Mobius all day. Right. So like without question but no, it's been proven against that.
Alexander Coccia:A couple of weeks ago, I was streaming and we did like, just like a fun, like Agatha Quicksilver deck and literally the first game, the person, me and the person both played Quicksilver, both of us were shocked and both of us wanted to take it to Reddit. No, that's insane. Like, what are the chances the only two people playing Quicksilver in Marvel Snap match against each other at that exact moment, right? It was like, come on, man. And I have the proof. We have the people watching. We have the proof. We have the proof, but yeah just so, just so we're clear, actually, I know the development team at one point, this was months ago, did respond to the deck matching question and basically said, why the hell would we do that? It makes no sense. We would never do it. So they did go and say like, no, we don't do it. We really don't like, it's just, it's purely coincidental. Like what's the word? Self bias, something bias, some sort of bias. We would look for it. Confirmation bias. Is that the word more or less sounds like the word. Okay. And our next question comes from Jake Martin. Jake reads, do you think 1000 tokens is fair? If you pull a duplicate in spotlight caches, especially if it's a 6, 000 token card, acquisition is hard enough, maybe 2000 tokens in a variant of that card is fairer. Now, the reason why I picked this question is because we used to get a lot worse rewards. And I actually thought that the thousand tokens would just, this was a significant step up. For a reward from the spotlight cashes. Now I know we always want more, but it becomes a question of what can the economy actually handle?
Cozy Snap:I'm making two, man. I don't know. I think it's fine. I think that's what we wanted originally or something. 1500, 2k.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, you champion that literally like you champion this change.
Cozy Snap:I really thought, yeah. I mean, because we're getting an additional card at that, you might as well make it up to 15 now, right? Like, or two, like, does that really hurt the overall overhead of what they're making or whatever that might be? I don't think so, right? So, yeah, I have no problem saying get it up there. I think One of the reasons I want a new mode so much is just like an additional way, like, we're getting this with the Not only albums, but also, like, the prestige. It's like new ways to get resources. Like, we need more of that. And I think right now, it's kind of a weird time. Like, they had albums come out and all these emotes teased, like, nine times in a row of, like, you know, trailers and things. And I haven't, like, where the hell are the emotes and where the hell are the albums with them? We need some of this stuff to come out to alleviate the resources so that you can get more tokens there or in a prestige thing, whatever that thing is with the variance, right? Like, I think that's going to help, but if that doesn't come out soon, then sure.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, because the additional card every single week is an additional stress on people's resources. So yeah, maybe that's something we that gets evaluated eventually down the line, but it is already an improvement. A thousand tokens was already improving, which is very notable. Cozy! That brings us to the end of this week's edition of the Snapchat. I'd like to thank everyone for listening, for joining us, for leaving a review. This is something we never talked about. It actually makes a huge difference. If you'd like to support our podcast and our work, leave a positive review on your podcast platform of choice. It means a lot to both Cozy and I.
Cozy Snap:Absolutely and until the next one, happy snapping.