The Snap Chat: Marvel Snap Podcast
New Season: The Black Order | Breakdown of Every New Card | January Cards In Review | The Snap Chat Ep. 66
How good is the new upcoming season? What was the impact of the most recent OTA on the Marvel Snap meta? What are Cozy and Alex's final rankings on the cards that came out in January? Join Cozy Snap and Alexander Coccia as they chat about this and more on this episode of The Snap Chat and every week as they discuss all things Marvel Snap.
How good is the new upcoming season? What was the impact of the most recent OTA on the Marvel Snap meta? What are Cozy and Alex's final rankings on the cards that came out in January? Join Cozy Snap and Alexander Coccia as they chat about this and more on this episode of The Snap Chat and every week as they discuss all things Marvel Snap.
What's going on guys and welcome back. We've got probably the darkest season of Marvel Snap with the Black Order kicking off Tuesday. We have two new cards and the giant patch of the month. It's going to be a crazy week in Snap. Alex and I are going to break down our thoughts of Black Swan, the newest season pass card, and every single Black Order card. With her. On top of that, we're going to break down the most recent OTA and what was its impact on the Marvel Snap meta. We're going to talk about that all today more on this episode of The Snap Chat. Yo, are we wearing the same thing? What? No. They won't believe us. I have it recording right now and let's, we're showing, hey guys, guess what? This is the beginning of the call. We can't do this. We look like a NBA team haha.
Alexander Coccia:We absolutely have to do this.
Cozy Snap:Okay, fine. We're doing it. Let's go to the intro. And as always, I am joined by Mr. Alex Coccia. He got the memo today. We are wearing our warm ups before we head to the court on our NBA basketball game. Buddy, we have the beginning of February. A brand new season. A brand new balance patch. Two new cards coming out Tuesday. There's a lot hitting us this week, man. I'm a little nervous for how much content's about to come out. We just had the OTA, too.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, it's like actually a legitimately crazy time to be a Marvel Snap player. There is so much happening here, and it's not just a balance patch. I'm gonna correct you there, because it's a content patch. Like, I am most interested in seeing what they add and how they improve the game. Like, is this the month where we get, like, the selectable borders? Right? Could it be the month? I don't know. I really don't know. But I would love if February was the month. Hey, guys! Remember we were talking about on the road map? It's here baby, let's go! Like, I'm actually really excited about what this patch might hold. And of course, there's a balance element to it as well. But most importantly, we are getting two major hitters coming this week, and we're going to be talking about it today on Snapchat.
Cozy Snap:This is always my favourite episode each month. We start the seasons, we first reflect on the last season, and then we start and just look at all the new cards coming. And yes, Okay, like, the OTA, we'll get to that. That's gonna be the last subject. It wasn't the craziest OTA, but then I keep reminding myself, like, It's fine. We have so much coming Tuesday. And, yes, we've got the monthly patch. But the cards that are coming, which are gonna be our first subject They're super interesting. They're going to definitely change up some things into what is already probably one of the more diverse metas we've had in a little bit. Feels like a lot of decks can win right now. We're kind of seeing that through the stats and just through playing the game, but, but overall, How was Infinity Conquest? How was the last week of January? And overall, you know, how was the Marvel Snappin
Alexander Coccia:It was great, honestly I've played more Marvel Snap in the last 2 3 weeks than I've ever played in my career, for some reason, like I guess with Twitch drops, and with the excitement going on, and with some of the brewing I've been doing, I've played so much, like, so, so much, and it's quite interesting to think that, like, you know what, I gotta tell you, Cozy, Playing a lot, I felt like I was playing better. I felt like I was good. I was on top of the meta. I knew what was up. I mean, I was my crafts were a little tighter. Like, it's funny how, like, sometimes the best cure to being better at a game is just playing a whole lot of it, because that's exactly what I did, and I felt pretty good doing it.
Cozy Snap:Dude, I mean, between, yeah, the Twitch drops hitting a good amount of new card testing, and then, you know, I've been streaming a little bit more myself. I got the Apple Vision Pro. Dude, have you seen this thing? It's, it's, it's insane. It's, it's the future, man, I tell you.
Alexander Coccia:I've seen two things about the Apple Vision Pro. One, I watched your video when you were playing it on the moon, which I thought was absolutely hilarious. And two, I saw this clip of some guy within a cyber truck, like, driving, like, with the thing, just doing this. I was like, what kind of dystopian future are we preparing ourselves for?
Cozy Snap:We're so screwed. It's over. Yeah. When I saw that, I'm like, it's over for mankind. It's done. So we're over. Yeah, I would say, dude, it's, it's Watching a movie in it was one of the Craziest things I've ever done. I watched Infinity War in 3D in like the middle of nowhere, wherever I was, I don't, I couldn't tell you the location, but it was just like mind blowing. I watched yours in Dexter's stream, also really cool, like, just like having you guys blown up big and then I played Snap, man. I played Snap, that was definitely, like, playing Galactus on the moon, I mean, it doesn't, it doesn't get any cooler than that. So definitely fun, plan to do a lot of cool stuff content wise. I got about I don't know, like 30, 000 people motion sickness the other day, but you know. It's it didn't exactly tra it does it's hard to put into words and translate like what's going on in there or whatever. But you know, going back, my family's had Apple stuff since like the beginning of Steve Jobs, so had to had to get it. But anyway, man, we got a lot to break down on this side of the Snapchat. What are we breaking down on Alex's side?
Alexander Coccia:On my side of the Snapchat, we'll be discussing the January cards in review. We'll be giving our final thoughts, our final ratings on the cards that came out this past month. There was six of them. There's a lot to talk about. We'll also be talking about our favorite cards at every cost this past season, reflecting on the cards we played and the cards that we loved. And then finally, as always, the Snapchat mailbag.
Cozy Snap:Well, man, let's go ahead. We have a lot to break down. This is always a long episode, so if you like the long ones, you're at the right place. We've got two new cards coming, and we're gonna start there, and then we're gonna get to the rest of the Black Order season. Now, Black Order in its own, really cool. Nothing says, I love you. Happy Valentine's Day. Like, the most dark season that we've probably had in Snap. You'll love to see it. Blox One is gonna be the season pass card. Now, they just released, like, the video and she definitely got upgraded from what she was. She was a 2 3, guys. Now, she's a 3 5. On reveal, until the end of your next turn, your one cost cards cost zero. And you know, I've been seeing a lot on this card. I actually almost tweeted something out, took it back. Stewed on it a little bit more. There's a lot, all these cards, man, there's so much to break down, but let's start with the Season Pass, man. Initial star rating impressions, and then we'll get to everything. As we always do, I'll let you start.
Alexander Coccia:I mean, initial impressions, and I'm prepared to be wrong, but like, I can't help but feel this is a 5 star card. Like, I, I know I, I just don't know what else to say other than, at a 3 5 premium stat line we've seen how powerful a 0 costed ability is. Like, so many cards have been nerfed in the past to take away that effect. I don't see how this card underperforms. Like I don't see the world where this card is not good. I think it's going to bring a very interesting meta because like maybe it's the Sandman, the Leech meta. We'll have to see. But then again, releasing on the same day is another card that we'll talk about that might protect from that. So like I think that there is almost no way. That this card can underperform. And because I'm saying that it's going to be a one star card.
Cozy Snap:Yeah. Right. Okay. So here's my thought. Like when I first saw it, I actually had a tweet drafted up and I put like, you know, I empower creep has never been so obvious and snap. I hate it because we just like, just in the OTA. It just said, we have Ghost at a 3 5 because we feel like her effect is a kind of a, a bad effect in the current meta, and that's why we justified the 5 stat line. But then we just get our first 3 5 really in snap with a positive effect attached to it. However, the more that I was doing some thinking, right? So I had a 5 star card, I was like, duh, this is a no brainer. This is just an OTA later on to make her worse, and it just, I was kind of like, bummed about it. I think I'm going to give her a 4 star, because the more I thought about it, so yes, the actual value, I mean, 3 5 is as good as you get, right, it's why we play a lot of cards. When I started to think about her ability though, is when I started to think about, well, maybe it's not as good as I think. Now, first of all, if you have a deck with so many 1 cost cards, right, you're kind of just relying on Hitmonkey. Okay, to be your pop off. Maybe Bishop. Okay, a couple other cards in there. I think Bounce and Thanos, she could definitely be five star worthy, right? Because both those decks are doing other things to capitalize on the one cost, right? Maybe Zoo can push that as well with just a five power stat. But do you know what I mean? If you have too many one cost cards, it's like, eh, right? And then if you have too few of one drops, then you really, like I don't know how much Black Swan is going to get her value, but she's already the 3 5, so then it doesn't really matter if you're just playing her on curve or that one cost. So I totally see that, but I, I think I'm going to give her a 4 star because of that. Does that make sense at all or am I just coping?
Alexander Coccia:No, no, I think it does make sense. I mean, the card gamer in me says like, I don't see how this is a bad card. It cannot be a bad card, right? The only thing that I was thinking about, like, holding it back was that, like, what's the draw engine look like? Because, like, what, you're just gonna build a deck with tons of one cost cards? You're playing on pretty much curve if it's, like, a mid range aggressive style deck. But you play Black Swan, like, how many one drops are you still holding, right? So, the design of the deck and the considerations on how you kind of, like, Actually pop off with it. I think it's going to be important, but like, I just don't see how this will be an underperforming card.
Cozy Snap:Board space locations too. Like that, it just, there's things that kind of come into play. I feel like with being able to play free one cost cards for one turn, right? It's telegraphed. You have Killmonger, you have Mobius being the biggest counters. Just get right to it, guys. Those are obviously the big counters that we're expected to see against Black Swan. But, can, can I just 4 star is still a really, really good card. You know, I, looking at our final rankings when we talk on your side, I mean, I was, you know, pretty harsh on some of the rankings that I gave earlier on. I think 4 star you know, maybe 4. 5. The value's there though, and you love cards like Polaris when you don't have really any use for it, but you're like, I mean, I'm just gonna get the stat stick. Why not? And that's gonna be great. My concern about all these cards we're going to talk about today is that Thanos is already in such a good spot and all these cards continue to fuel the Mad Titan, right? So, that is kind of concern, and maybe we see something addressed in the upcoming patch, but Regardless, a lot to break down about her super interesting card with Black Swan. Four star, five star ish, somewhere in that area for Alex. Let's start talking about the combos and where we see her being effective. Now, as always, season pass, we know it's worth the value, Alex. Right off the bat, man, where you playing Black Swan?
Alexander Coccia:Where I see her being very effective is in a bounce based list like you had discussed. I think bounce has been one of those lists that have, like, continuously just made immense value. Now, I think one of the major winners of this, now obviously Beast is a major contributor, but Beast kind of does the same thing as Black Swan. I mean, not really, but to some degree, but what I think actually really, really helps Is going to be Falcon. I think Falcon is going to get a bump up here because if you you're able to like play your cards down, Falcon them up, and then like, now you have them and they're, you know, play them again, maybe afterwards, right? So like, maybe you play on curve, you Falcon them up and then you play Black Swan and now it's like, you've played Beast, but you actually played Falcon. I mean, the way I described it, like out loud was not as kind of, intuitive as I envisioned it in my head. But what I'm trying to say is Black Swan played in with the cards that you've now falconed will give you that zero cost beast style effect. Right. And I think that it gives you an an additional line and how you can approach a balanced base deck, which has always been a big brain deck, right? So there's that line, which I think could be very key.
Cozy Snap:I mean, what's cool is outside of, I think, Proxima Midnight, every single card we'll talk about today encourages a new way of looking at deck design. And I think that's what has me really excited about it. Black Swan, it's like, you look at bounce decks and we've looked at Havoc and things like that. It's a, it's a tight, it's a tight list. Just like Destroy, it's a tighter list. But when you're, when you're sitting at a 3 5, and you're just really fueling that engine even more so, and then you've got, let's just tie it all together. Whether he ends up with the bounce list or not, there's just no way that Hitmonkey is not going to be involved here because of the giant, giant pop off. Now, I said earlier, this is kind of the only card you're relying on, but okay, who cares, man? It's gonna get absolutely colossally huge. You gotta love that right off the rip, right? So, I think, you know, I don't know about you, but when Hitmonkey was poppin Back in April, May of last year. I loved that. I love when Hitmonkey feels pretty good. Especially now because there's so many more diverse decks out there. So I think you're definitely right.
Alexander Coccia:One thing worth noting about Hitmonkey as well with Black Swan is that if you're in a meta that you're seeing lots of Leech or lots of Salmon or something, Black Swan is gonna give you an opportunity to like, try to pop off on turn 5. Or like, play in advance of the counter that you're expecting, right? Because again, like, it's a 3 costed 5. You just, you play it, and if you have Hitmonkey in your hand, and you're holding a couple 1s, then like, that's probably enough, right? That's probably enough in a, in a game where you might be disadvantaged from a match perspective. So like, I think it provides a lot of versatility, because the 1 drops are free. So you can squeeze it out, like, in a turn where you know, okay, this is the turn I gotta attack. And What's interesting is you bring up Hitmonkey is Hitmonkey was in a prior Spotlight Cache and Black Swan was a 2. 3. Had we known Black Swan was going to be a 3. 5, Hitmonkey would have risen in value in that Spotlight Cache. Am I right?
Cozy Snap:Yeah, I mean, you would think so, but it's funny because I've seen, like, I even just said it like, oh, it's telegraphed a bit, but it almost just doesn't matter, right? Like, Hitmonkey's somewhat telegraphed too, Bounce is somewhat telegraphed, and if you don't have a plan to stop it, you can't. Now, it's only 12 cars that you have. So, forming the deck around this, I think it's gonna be Tougher a tougher assignment than people might think. But I see, like, the thing she does well, man, is that at 3 5, people are like, well, if you draw only the last turn, you don't get value. It's like, okay, you still get a 3 5, though. Like, what are we, what are we missing here, right? Don't think Surfer's gonna use it all that much. One drop so we don't see a ton in there. Maybe you could get a Nova, free Nova down. I was thinking about this a little bit, Alex. Maybe we can get to it later on. It wasn't really meant for Surfer. But the reason I brought up Nova, I think Destroy has really unique synergy with her. Dawken can feel awkward because of his shard, like, what do you do with a shard? Obviously, this kind of solves the problem of always having to kill X23. You can get the Deadpool out now with your Gnoll, whatever you want to do there. I think it's definitely interesting to play with Destroy. Although, once again, does it make that list, right?
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, you're able to play Angel as well, which is great. Always a consideration to destroy. But I do definitely see that being like a consideration. But one thing I want to say, I want to come back to something you mentioned, the idea of playing it on turn six, okay? Great, great point about the versatility of Black Swan. Let's talk about a couple 3 5s in turn six. How comfortable are you playing Viper on turn six?
Cozy Snap:Yeah, pretty much never. You're sending a card over. Just happened to me. Yep, not a great one. Yep you're going to kill all your cards. Definitely not going to happen. Oh, weave! Yeah sure. Wait, I guess Wave would be like, if I had nothing else to play, but you're playing Wave in decks that you want to ramp, so you would have cards to play.
Alexander Coccia:Exactly, right? Like, not as bad, right? But like, there's usually significant damage, even something like a Spider Man.
Cozy Snap:You could, you could ruin everything. You could ruin everything. Yeah, exactly. I, I, I've thought this. I've won matches because someone played a Spider Man. I'm like, hey, thank you. You put my Devil Dinosaur in the winning lane. I appreciate that, you know. So you're right, you're right, this does have zero effect.
Alexander Coccia:That's important to realize, right? Like, it's a 3 5 with no legitimate downside. Like, even, like, Polaris could steer you wrong if you pull that, you know, 8 powered Carnage into the location and you trade negative 3 on that play, right? Like, there's, there's a lot to consider here, and that's why, like, going 3 to a 4 4 3 5 was a very significant buff and it's worth noting that just before we recorded on a Q& A, Glenn actually said that they tested Black Swan and it felt weak at 2 3, which is interesting. And that gave me some pause to think, well, is this effect not as strong as I thought it was? Or like, I don't know, like it was kind of an interesting thing to hear Glenn say, no, it was too weak at 2 3.
Cozy Snap:Let me tell you some of the other combos I have here and just. Tell me if you think, at the end of the day, she's just a Thanos card or not. That's what I really want to know from this. Is it just A Thanos card or can we actually slot her into some archetypes? Now I'll move on from Destroy, but I just wanted to say, I think it's interesting that on technically turn four, you could play her on three, turn four, you could drop down your X 23, your Deadpool for free on top of a venom to eat her up. So I do think there are some cool play lines outside of just the Deadpool to get free power and, you know, X 23, you know, destroy that you're go into the next turn with more energy and definitely something to be able to play. You know what, a six drop on five now no matter what. Obviously, draws will be dependent. But dude, when I was thinking about it, what other deck or one drops, and I'm looking through all these one drops, what decks actually work with Black Swan? You gotta say it. You gotta think it, man. That there is a world that the Tiny Movers deck, the Small Moving deck, the Dagger, the Human Torch, it probably involved with Bounce once again. So we were kind of on that subject. Having these enablers for free is insane to me. I mean, that's really crazy, cause that's, you know, wombo combos, right? You can really start to get things poppin
Alexander Coccia:It does, absolutely, and I actually was playing in my head about the idea of, okay, if you black swine on turn one sorry, on turn three, on turn four, you could theoretically play you know Iron Fist, Vulture, and a, Spider, not Spider Man. Go Spider, right? And like, you've actually just popped off Vulture there, right? But I'm like, wait a minute, like, does that really help that much? Because like, you can still just do Iron Fist the turn before. Like, it's, it's an added card. And I don't know if it really accelerates the movement archetype in the way it wants. But like, it's It's undeniable that some of the cards that really help enable and surprise in Move are the one cost cards in both Iron Fist and specifically Ghost Spider.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, but you made a great point, right? Hercules was fun, but ultimately, when you draw Hercules and then you have your other cards that want to move for the power, that means it's another space that you're not drawing the card that can actually move them. So, like We see this all the time, right? Things look, on paper, really good. In practicality, you're like, great, I have a black swan, but I also have my Heindel, and I also have, you know, my Kraven or something. You know what I mean? It's like, what am I going to do with this hand at this point? Kind of awkward. Whereas, like, maybe her at 2 cost would have fit into that mold a tad bit better, actually, than just the better stat line. I've talked about it before. I don't think move needs a lot of stats, because they build up anyway so high up and so crazy. So, definitely, definitely good point there. The, the last two thoughts that I had outside of just Thanos, I think we can end on Thanos for the Black Swan. I mean, we've got to talk about Zoo, right? This is, not saying it's the last chance for Zoo to be competitive, but you would think that this is an absolute exploding Zoo card. A card that you could play You know, on turn four, playing Blue Marvel and everything all at once, right? To me, that seems really, really strong. And we have playlines like Dazzler, Nebula, Sunspot on one, Dazzler on two, maybe Caiera on three, or Black Swan. I think it's kind of interesting.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, no, there definitely is. And the lines that I was playing with was Kaira 3 Kesar on turn 4, and then what you do is Black Swan and Dazzler on turn 5. On turn 6, you have the option of playing Blue Marvel plus a whole bunch of 1s. Yep. Or you can do a whole bunch of 1s, plus Hitmonkey, right, for very elevated attacks. I do think there's some legitimate lines for for Zoo.
Cozy Snap:And it's already kind of, you know, on the, on the bubble. It's definitely a tier 3 deck, but it's on, it's, it's kind of flirting with being a decent deck nowadays. And what's cool about it Is what I love about Zoo and where it kind of fits with Black Swan is, you just alluded to it. There's so many cheap cards, that if you don't get Blue Marvel, then you dazzler, you Black Swan. If you don't get that, you can Black Swan and play one cost cards. Like, there are, there are multiple options. Hell, maybe this is the max copium I could ever take in one go, buddy. But I'm just saying, is this the return? Is it happening? Can we see a spoiler? Hold on strong guy. This is copium. Just saying it'd be easy to empty the hand. You can empty the hand easier than everybody and get yourself up. What is that? Three, nine. Hold the phone.
Alexander Coccia:Okay. Listen, I'm all for it. If you can come up with a broken strong guy brew, then I'm all for it. Cozy. But this, this might be a little bit of hopium because like. Strong Guy has never been playable, and even after the buffs, yeah. Killmonger, of course, is gonna say hello, but that's a whole other That's why we have Kaiera! Come on, that's why we have Kaiera! But I mean, Strong Guy I mean, you're not wrong. You should be able to, like, just dump your hand, right? But then the I don't know, man.
Cozy Snap:If this doesn't make him good, it's over for Strong Guy. Like, you're getting a card that legit is, like, begging you to dump your hand. And if we can't make it happen, I give up. I give up on the muscles here. It's just, it's just not gonna happen. I think his name's Guido maybe? But anyway, he looks great. You should go for that haircut, dude. You already have the muscles.
Alexander Coccia:Oh, the, the haircut? Like the, just the single, is that a single bang? What is he?
Cozy Snap:It's like a, it's like a smoke puff. Yeah, it's a, it's a, it's a bang. I mean, you, he, this is why he's ripped, he's kind of compensating, right? Like he was not blessed with the hairline. So he is like, all right, I'll just get incredibly yoked. Kind of skips the leg day a little bit too. He's kind of,
Alexander Coccia:I was gonna say those legs, man. I, when I used to work out, like this was a whole other point of my life. Not in the last 10 years anyway. I was all legs, baby. That's all I did. Squawwrack all day long but no, not anymore.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, definitely, definitely, definitely not. So Strong Guy Zoo, definitely we could see maybe go from a Tier 3 to a Tier 2, right? But more so than that, let's go to Thanos, right? So not only Thanos Zoo, but just Thanos as a whole. This is always a good Thanos card. I mean, how do you not love Black Swan in a Thanos deck no matter what? You get to play the stones for free. You get to get the drawl engine for free. You can play in the lock job for free. What are we doing here? Why would you not want to have this card? And, you can fit it, right? There's always that spot for the three cards. The Mobius that we've had in there. We've had different cards that kind of floated into Thanos decks. Not to mention Blabla's the five power if you don't draw a black swan. It's just a win, man. It's just a win card.
Alexander Coccia:And the key thing about it too is that it's coming down on 3, right? That allows you to just like, dump everything. Cause you're right 3's been like, kinda like the flex spot to some degree. And Mobius and Mobius has been the core flex in the current Thanos based decks. You could very easily take Mobius and Mobius out and put Black Swan in. And like, what do you lose? Pretty much nothing. You play her on 3 and then on turn 4 you can basically dump the rest of your stones, draw through your hand.
Cozy Snap:Yeah. It's pretty impressive. I think we're gonna see, we're already seeing like a, Destroyer's always so common, but it's like, to the most it's ever been this season. We have a lot of Destroyer decks out there, very competitive. But I also think this is the season where everybody just kind of starts their deck builds with this guy, and then they kind of, they kind of go on from there. Because this just shuts down Block Swan to the fullest degree. You get a plate on Curve. It just is going to feel, you know, we've been talking about Mobius forever now, but he's finding ways to slot into so many different decks. I love him to death, and I definitely think this will be his best season. So Black Swan, definitely going to be an interesting card. No question, it's going to be one of those cards that will continue to build unique things in the future. And it's not going to, it's not going to whiff, right? Because just the stat line alone, we could just remove the ability, and it's still not the worst card in the world, right? So Black Swan is the Season pass card, Alex. Now, same week, same day, Tuesday. Super Giants, Super Giants, and this is probably the most complex, the most fun discussion one of, of this Snapchat today. Guys, she is a 4 cost, 5 power card. On reveal, all cards played next turn do not reveal until The game ends. This is, it's like an invisible woman for everything on that next turn. Very crazy, very interesting effect. Was nerfed pretty heavily from what she was like originally introduced. Thank God. Some highlights right off the bat. Very kind of crap power for the forecast stat. No question about it. Let's break it down, dude. I asked on Twitter, I asked everybody rank the cards in order. You wouldn't believe, Alex, I had There was no consistency. Zero. I mean, there was people that had Supergiant at one, Supergiant at the worst card of the month, no question. People thought she was broken, people hated her. Where do you land on Supergiant?
Alexander Coccia:I had a very difficult time evaluating this card. Every once in a while, we get a card like this. This felt similar to me as as what's the, Oh my God. Why can't remember her name? Nico. It was very similar to Nico. I was like, how do you even evaluate this card without testing it properly? And the reason why this is so difficult is because not only can it be used offensively, but it's also defensive, and it's also very dependent on what your opponent's playing, what they're expecting to play on turn five, or even on turn six, for that matter, right? So there is a lot to consider with the way this card works. And right off the top, I'll tell you that I kind of copped out and I gave her a three star cause I'm like, I actually am not sure power level wise where this card is going to fall. The main thing that I really saw was, of course, it's going to be very preventative and defensive against cards like Leech and Sarah, right? Which can be super awesome, and obviously we have Jane Foster, which has gained in popularity, which is negatively impacted by this as well. I just don't know if the defensive side warrants it being in a deck. So, I mean, I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts because, like, this has been one of those cards where I feel that it's gonna require a lot of testing to determine its true power level.
Cozy Snap:Everybody has to get their hands on this card to really see what it becomes. Funny enough, I gave it a 3. 5, so we're not far off. I gave it almost a perfect rating in control decks, in some of the decks that you want her to be in, and I'll get to that in a moment, and why I think that's just gonna work naturally. She can't, like, you look at her, she almost reminds me of Take It All The Way Back to when Ghosts, before Ghosts came out. Remember, we were kind of like, losing our minds, like, oh, that sounds like such a cool effect. And then nobody played her until even now, recently. However, I think, she's a game winner, too. She's a game winner, too, and she's also the perfect combo card for a couple of decks. So, very, very complex. However I think defensively, it's gonna be way better than you think. Really, what she's, is she is, and why I gave her a 3. 5, but in general, why she exists in Snap is she is a release valve for a lot of these decks if things go wrong. Leech has been a terrorizing soul in the meta. We don't have an answer to Leech. There's nothing you can do to stop Leech. Now, you obviously have that answer to what you alluded to. You just said it. We have Jane Foster. We have Vision. We have Sarah Dex. We have Nimrod, Professor X, even forecast cards that like to play a little bit later. Maybe you can stop something like Phoenix Force if you play her with Zabu, or Loki, or Shuri. There's a lot of Dex that can really stop this, or she can really prevent Everything that deck's trying to do. And then there's decks that just don't give a flying that you played a not efficient power card on the turn four and now you're probably screwed because you have no way to make up said power, right? Like, that's the two alternatives. It depends where the meta's at. If the meta's all about Sandman or whatever it is, or whatever the fives that you're trying to stop, Jane Foster, you have the answer. Supergiant just shuts those decks down to a crawling dead hole, like Beta Ray Bill's dead, if this card is out there and popular, right? Like, that's just the way it's probably gonna work. It's puzzling, man. It's really puzzling, right? Like, I have a lot of synergistic card combos, but I think we can both agree. What's the biggest one here?
Alexander Coccia:For me, I'm gonna say Taskmaster. I don't know if that's what you had on your list, but For me, Taskmaster is one that I've been really trying to brew with because I had this idea of like, hey, if you play Supergiant And then on turn five, you play Taskmaster. That means on turn six, if I drop like a Hulk or something, he's going to reveal at the end of the game and pick up that Hulk power or the, the blob power or whatever. I think it's a pretty cool offensive weapon with Taskmaster.
Cozy Snap:Yeah. So it's really cool to ignite the engine back into Taskmaster again and talk about how do you make up that power, right? How do you make up only dropping five? Well, you drop an effing blob, you know, to get an average of 20 or whatever. And then you have 20 in two lanes. You're probably looking pretty good. The other side of that is something like. Destroyer. Okay, so we all know Destroyer only destroys revealed cards, so if you drop this bad boy down And then, into the game, Taskmaster will copy Destroyer, and you can have a Bucky Barnes deck. And we've actually seen some Destroyer decks kind of making their way back a little bit, right, Alex? Another cool kind of thought, right? Like, you can make this semi work. And I think there are some really cool things with Taskmaster. Definitely gets me excited. Love that you pointed that out. I had that in one of the deeper combos, so glad that we can we can get that out. And just in general really, Hitmonkey can work largely the same with that as well. Hitmonkey can get up to kind of crazy Buku. We saw Invisible Woman TASP master Dex once upon a time. Right? And this is kind of that?
Alexander Coccia:I mean, the key about Invisible Woman, however, was that it was purely for your offensive play. Like, this card, Supergiant, has that defensive component. And I think it can be played by surprise. Like, I don't think you need to, like, you don't need to, like, orchestrate the fact that you're going to drop this card. Like, I think it's going to go in a wide variety of decks, in a way that, like, it feels like a four cost you can slot in. But! You are paying a heavy price in terms of tempo. Like, the card does not have enough stats to warrant you whiffing on that turn 5.
Cozy Snap:I mean, but here's the thing. This is why I said in Control Decks, I think she's the best card. I mean, she's like a 5 star in Control Decks. It's like, first of all, let's just say it all together, guys. Alioth. Alioth, Alioth, right? Like, if you have priority, which, it'll be hard because of Supergiant, but the way Control works, sometimes you can lock down a lane, whatever you need to do. You have the Storm lane, you're winning with a Nebula. That's gonna be giant for just that in general, but even things like Legion and Hiding Your Legion, and like, there's just, there's just some really cool playlines. She's definitely, by far, out of the last few months, gonna be bringing inspiration, right there with Grandmaster, actually, I guess, to just deck design, and the way these decks work, right? What I hope we don't see is just another, whatever, dark whatever deck is killing it, right, Thanos, and then we just put her in there. I want to see some super unique decks built for the purpose of making Supergiant work. And there's even more combos. I've got a couple here I wanted to roll off. You obviously, Zabu, not bad. Daredevil is definitely cool. Definitely some cool synergy with Daredevil because you can actually see what they're playing on 5, right? Alioth that if you need to in that control build.
Alexander Coccia:The Alioth component is huge, actually. Now, I want to kind of circle back on that because what you can do with this card is, let's say you earn initiative turns 1, 2, and 3, right? So you can give up a little bit of power on turn 4 to drop Supergiant. That means that going into turn 5, you're going to have initiative, right? And that means the cards are not going to reveal. So you're going to maintain that initiative into turn six, which allows you to play Alioth and wipe out the board. And it makes one, two, and three, those turns, extremely important for setting up your board state so that you could take advantage of that play. Now, if you thought Alioth was bad before, imagine it knocking out two full turns worth of plays, because not only they're. Turn 5 cards unrevealed, but if you have initiative, their turn 6 cards won't be revealed either.
Cozy Snap:And then the Daredevil, right on curves, you see exactly what they're playing, and you're like, Okay, I know if I need to Alioth the left lane, because that's where they had their Taskmaster, Or, hey, the only lane they can play in their blob is this one. I'll just kill the blob and it becomes a, you know, whatever, a 3 power card from the, whatever they played before, right? So, I do think this is, has the potential to be very scary. I do think the person that is, you know, not playing Supergiant, though, will have the option, if they have a life, though, to sometimes come out on top and then kinda like spit it right back in your face, right? Like, that's gonna happen at times.
Alexander Coccia:Oh, definitely. It has to. And I mean, when you think about it, right, the initiative in Marvel Snap, Alioth really puts a fixation on initiative and like you mentioned Daredevil, that's great for scouting. But like in my head, I'm like, Hmm, if I'm doing it, I'm doing something like a lizard, right? Lizard is one of the best. Like what, what if you build completely for initiative? What if you go lizard, Mr. Fantastic, and you just try to earn that turn for initiative and then you have. The turn 5 and 6 following up with the Alioth, right? So, I do see so many deck building considerations with this card. But again, at a 4 5 stat line, I think that's weaker than people are giving it credit for. And I wonder if that holds it back.
Cozy Snap:But here's another one. Like, this is where I think people need to understand. Think about your turn 5 plays. And think about just hiding things from your opponent. I did want to look at her power and like, how do you spin that power to be decent? If you look at Cerebro decks, man, C5 is always right up there. Right up there with competitive play. You've got the Dr. Doom. You have now potentially ways to kind of like hide your Cerebro and maybe get that out. Or just playing Cerebro early and they kind of don't know what you're doing. You have the Lizard with two. You have Martyr with the one dropper. The C5's really good and then you're making up for that five, you know lack of power.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, C5 is funny, because after Ms. Marvel got moved to 4, C5 enjoyers were like in shambles, absolute shambles. So maybe Supergiant takes you to that next level? It's possible, because I mean, the tech element of obviously obstructing your opponent, hiding your turn 5 play. Could be cool. It definitely could be cool. And you could set it up so like, you play Mystique and Cerebro out of order, right? You can play Mystique on turn 5. With your Lizard, right? Like, Lizard, Mystique, and then they don't even know that they should be stacking that location to negatively impact the Lizard. Mystique will No, don't do that! Not in that order. Oh, that would have been a bad idea. But you play Cerebro on turn 5, and then Mystique will reveal and hit the Cerebro. What I mean, just don't play the Lizard first.
Cozy Snap:I get what you're saying, but on that note too, the unrevealed aspect is just super unique and different to Snap, and it's definitely gonna be exciting to see what we can hide. From trying to deliver on turn six and then what comes out as the most effective on turn five. Now, Alex, a lot of great things. Super excited about Supergiant. We both are kind of at the, we got to test it out. We got to see where it lands. I would say this was the most divisive card amongst the viewers.
Alexander Coccia:It's a Tuma buff, technically. You can play a Tuma back there.
Cozy Snap:Hey, yo, look at a Tuma going, going places, dude. Well, speaking of a Tuma with 410, and speaking of the word power creep, We have probably the easiest to discuss, but let's bring them up. Cull Obsidian, guys, is a 4 cost, 10 power card. You can only play this where you have a 1 cost card. I, 10 power man, listen, that's a ton of cheese, buddy. For a Zabu, it's a 310. However, Shang Chi's got like a 75 percent play rate or something like that, so you gotta remember that it's just not safe. But when you're looking and comparing it to something like Typhoid F and Mary, that nukes the board on your side, this is just great stats.
Alexander Coccia:I think there's potential in like a, like a Thanos based Zula deck. Honestly, the 410 stat line with like an armor or something like that, I don't think it's crazy. You can even play him in conjunction with something like a, like a Cosmo, but I don't think you'd really want to do that. I think armor is the safest, most natural play. Honestly, like, off the top, like, I was really flipping between, okay, first I rated him 2 stars, and then I rated him 4 stars. And I'm like, ah, he's gotta be a 3 star card. And I'm like, wait a minute, it's 4, it's 410, it's 410. If they have to commit Shan Chi to it, that means they don't have Shan Chi for Blob, and they don't have Shan Chi for something else. If he's eating the Shan Chi, maybe he's doing his job. He's a four star. And then I'm like, wait a minute. This condition's not even that hard. I started spiraling cozy. I'm not even sure what I'm going to give it. I'm talking, I'm talking to myself in and out of all this. I'm going four star. That's what I wanted to see in the first place.
Cozy Snap:I've deleted so many. I was like, I was like 4. 5, 2. 5, 3. 5. And then even here I'm decommitting from what I had here at 3. 5. I guess I'll join you on 4, because, yes, I get it, Shang Chi. Totally get it, guys. But apparently, from what I've read, you can play down a 1 cost card, and then him. It doesn't have to be on the same turn. From what I've read, it does and I think I read this in Dev Update, if I'm wrong, guys. Whatever. But I'm pretty sure, I'm pretty sure I saw that. We've never seen that. We've never seen a condition met like that before. And if that's the case, dude, yeah. Just playing him with the Zabu decks already, where you get to play a Shang Chi and a Cull Obsidian to just win the game. Right? Playing ten, ten power, dude. This has a lot of cool synergy behind it. It's beefy. It's obviously a ton of power. Amping him up. We got some strong synergies. Obviously, Thanos. But Alex, let's just get right to it, buddy. Our last season pass card. Something like Caiera likes this a lot, right? Clearly, something like Caiera can just benefit off this right off the rip. Wasn't a lot of forecast drops to make that happen, so this is a synergy that I definitely will be pairing up with the old Cole.
Alexander Coccia:Buddy, I was actually thinking about like the play lines, and what if like, okay, just keep it simple. What if you Iceman turn one, whatever on turn two, Daredevil, we've been talking about Daredevil tonight, so let's bring Daredevil back. Turn three is Storm. Right? Turn 4, you just, you slam a 4 10 there. They can't even shanchi in that location because it's flooded, right? That's one way to deal with it, right? And then guess what? Caiera's now a 4 cost. It seems like just easy value, right? I just, I really do see this card like, Yes, all shanchi exists, shanchi exists. And yeah, it's always going to exist. It's always going to be, just assume everyone's running the card. But like, don't forget, there's also Zabu Synergy. Like, this card is pretty legit.
Cozy Snap:Black Knight, Nebula, Sunspot, all these cards, there's every card, every single deck, Loki, they all have one cost in there. I mean, just picking a Black Knight right there, like, whatever, you discard it or you play it on your Black Knight's location, fantastic, right? Hey, let's go effing crazy. Your moon girl a Caiera, co obsidian deck. All of a sudden you've got all kinds of crazy stuff.'cause you have the za boo down, you can play down. Cull Obsidian. Cull Obsidian. You got two Caieras. You can moon girl that I think there's a lot of interesting power decks that can be made with Cull Obsidian. Definitely cool. A lot of other cars that synergize with it with without a doubt. I'm with you buddy. I'm with you on just a pure power stat line and honestly just gonna be a nice car to flex in. But man, can we just take a second? I don't know if you have a beverage nearby.
Alexander Coccia:I don't know what you're gonna do. It's, it's, I can't, I cannot believe, yeah, just pour one out. Pour one out for Crossbones, honestly, like, what a disaster.
Cozy Snap:The hell, dude, what, like, at the very least, make him a 4 9, right? Like, that's just such, what a disaster, bro, like, I just, this card. Just takes what I would imagine what a Cole Obsidian dump looks like, which is probably filthy on on CrossCuts. It's gotta be disgusting. Just disgusting, man. And then, can we just say, oh yeah, Thanos decks, by the way, that love Lockjaw and popping out big cards like, Blob. All of it, all of it. Thanos is gonna be cra I can't even get to him. Gonna just be nuts. Cole Obsidian though, we're about the same place here. It's gonna be hot. It's gonna be good.
Alexander Coccia:Why, why is it 4 8? Like, this, okay, Co Obsidian's requirement to have a 1 cost card there, I actually don't think it's that hard. But I, I tend to be a little more, like, curvy when I design my decks. So I always have 1 drops. But like, with Crossbones, that is legitimately hard to do sometimes. And it can be detrimental, and it's, like, on a turn 6, where you're like, man, I actually need to put power there. Crossbones is a 4 8 I could use for that. A power there, but I'm losing by one because they put a power stone there or whatever. And dammit, I could play Cull Obsidian. I can't play like, why, why is Crossbones a 4 8? It can't stay like that, right? There's no way Crossbones is 4 8 when Cull Obsidian launches, it just can't happen.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, I just don't see it, especially like last term potential and stuff. Like being able to play Cull Obsidian, most likely, you know, in a location that you've set up in advance or whatever, and Crossbones, you're like, well, I'm losing two, I can play him. He, it's just bad. It's just bad all around, man. It's sad to see. And I would actually call this more Power Creep on things like Crossbone than it is, than Black Swan is on some of the other, you know, 3. 5s that we've got. But yeah, Cull Obsidian, good god, gonna be a fun one. We got two more cards left, Alex. These are gonna be crazy, and I saw these ranked all over the place. People couldn't agree on it. Corvus Glaive. Now guys, Corvus is a 3 cost, 5 power, premium stat line, yet again, but, on reveal, discard 2 cards from your hand to get, and to make it easy guys, the Electro Effect, plus 1 max energy. Every. Single. Turn. Corvus Glaive, I'll start us out, man. This is probably my excited Like, this is probably the card that gets me Gets me super excited. Because I do think there's gonna be way more use for him than just Discard. I truly think, even if it's just Shining and Discard, he's gonna shine to the fullest degree. I love Corvus. I got him at Around a four Woah. Oh, we're off, probably folks. I'm giving them two. Okay, I'll allow you to get the floor, that's fine. Yeah, yeah, I like it. I like when we have like a huge difference of opinion. Why why do you hate him?
Alexander Coccia:Why do I hate him? I hate him because I don't like him in the MCU. No, I'd hate him because I don't actually hate him. I am just, I feel like the extra energy is a trap. Like, okay, if you really want to sell me on that he's playable outside of, like, Discard, then, like, I'm here for that. That might change my mind. But I don't see him being playable outside of Discard. Because, like, realistically, if you're playing a RAM style deck, you're playing fives and sixes I don't care what anyone says, the Electro Effect has never been an issue for me. Like I, like your deck is designed to only play one card at a time anyways, right? And I, like, I love when people like, well, like Death's Domain and Electro and Snap. You're like, Oh, I got freedom. And they continue to play like, you know, Dr. Dumont. And it's like, yeah, it would have mattered, man. But like, okay. The decks are designed for that. I could not come up with a, like, I just like, maybe I'm wrong, but I was like, when does Discard ever want to play Modok and turn early? Usually never. When does he want to play Apocalypse to turn early? Usually never. I was like, when does this extra energy actually matter in the standard discard deck? I was playing with my lines, I'm like, I don't think it does. And I feel like on turn three, it's probably a hell of a risk to drop a card that discards two. Even if you have Swarm there, it's like, well, there goes my Modok. It's like, dammit, or like, I just don't see the lines where this card's good.
Cozy Snap:Hellcow is, is what? A 4 8 now? A 4 8. Crossbones, man. God, he's in shambles. So Cross Hellcow's a 4 8. You're getting 3 5, so let's just look at it for stats as a, as a, as a discard engine, right? Fueling up Morbius, fueling up, obviously, the biggest ones, and that are cards that want to be discarded. Now, what are those cards? Clearly, Proxima Midnight. We'll get to that. It's gonna be even better when that card comes out. But, get off the screen, Crossbones. But we've got what you've alluded to. Swarm and Apocalypse. I've played more discard than just about any season before it this season. Played a lot of discard, man. Had a lot of fun with it. So much so I was playing with Gambit decks, right? So I definitely know the, the, the chaos engine of like what's happening. Dude, hitting Apoc and hitting Swarm and just reaping the benefits, you get what you're saying, Superflow, having a free Superflow in your discard deck is not going to increase the engine of the capabilities of what it can pump out. I absolutely disagree. I think there are a ton of different ways that you can utilize that extra energy. And you're not, there's nothing bad happening to your side, in fact, you're fueling your side even more. There will be games you get rid of your MODOK, but that's okay, because now we have additional ways to continue to get things rolling with Corvus and then Proxima Midnight, most importantly, right? That's gonna be built into that package. So just talking about Discard, I think there's just a world of different use that you can play and utilize that plus one energy. It just looks different. We're in a different world of Discard. That would be my, that would be my argument for him in the Discard. I'll let you get to that before we get to the general playlines.
Alexander Coccia:That's fair, that's fair, and we haven't talked about Proxima yet, so that is fair with Proxima, right? Relationship goals, y'all. But what I will say, though, is that, like, there's a reason why Swordmaster's not played. Don't forget Swordmaster exists. It's a 3 6, and it discards one. It doesn't give extra energy, but it's a 3 6. One of the best stat lines at the three costs, but it's never played. Why is that? Because it's random BS. There's a reason why Sif is preferred. There's a reason why Colleen Wing is preferred. That targeted discard effect. And even Hellcow, until it was buffed immensely to a 4 8, got cut from everything, because of the randomness of the effect. I was just like, you know what? Maybe, I just, I'm not sold. I feel like the the extra energy might be a trap.
Cozy Snap:3, 3 6 is horse crap compared to a 3 5 with plus one, plus one, plus one energy. If you get to play him on curve. And think about it, just, Proxima Midnight is a big key ticket, and it's the next card we'll talk about. Because it gives you yet another card that is completely fine. Completely fine. And let's say Blade goes out, you kill a Swarm, turn one, you get two Swarms, you have the Apoc in there. The risk is not as big as you might think moving forward from it. And a lot of this could shift into a control style discard deck as well, something like Storm. Because of Proxima Midnight coming out there, you could have some more fuel to the fire with that as well. I just feel like it has a place massively in this card. Way more so than Miek, and we gave Miek like a 2. 5, I think, or a 3 star. No way I can settle on that. And then if I look at the other, you know, effects around it, I want to give him a 4. Let's get to it. Now, I'm gonna go ahead and probably just have you leave the podcast when I show the next card. This is not the card I was referring to. I just want to throw it out there. I just want to say this. Hey buddy, Agatha. Okay, here we are. Agatha, here we are! Here we are! But tell me, tell me why, tell me why, in Agatha's occasion, not the worst card nowadays, is Corvus not the actual literal definition of the perfect Agatha card?
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, it's gonna be perfect when he discards Agatha and Ghost Rider. You're gonna love it.
Cozy Snap:Oh my gosh, but then you also, but hear me out, right? So let's say he gets rid of Agatha, great. If he doesn't get rid of Agatha, then you have the plus one energy, and you get to play Agatha on five, getting control of turn six.
Alexander Coccia:It's fair. It's a very fair statement.
Cozy Snap:I think, in the stat line, Agatha's obviously really good. Agatha's been playing these cards that have value no matter what. I'm not saying Agatha's gonna be an amazing deck. I just thought it was really cool to see that synergy, like, right off the rip. It's not why I'm giving them a four star. Maybe I'm full cope. I like four star here, and I think that's I'm gonna die on that. By the way, Hela. Just saying. I think Hela's kinda cool too. Tell me, Hela And Corvus also have a pretty unique relationship where you can have a deck that's already pop full of these crazy big cards. And oh yeah, Hela is, as we said, just in an insane spot at Snap at the moment anyway.
Alexander Coccia:Okay, alright. Okay, I see it. Cause then maybe, you know, if miraculously Hela does not get discarded. You've discarded two Chonkies, right? You've discarded like a Mr. Magneto, and you've also discarded a Giganto. That feels pretty good. And if you do discard Hela, and you do discard Magneto, then you have your Giganto you can put on turn 5, right? Maybe it's like a new, evolved version of like the Lockjaw based Gamble Deck, but you don't play Lockjaw, you just play Corvus. And you say, hey, I hit a bunch of stuff, but here we go. Big Chonky Boy's coming down. Oh, look at Orca. Look at what he's doing, right? I don't know.
Cozy Snap:I'm here for it. I'm here for it. I think Corvus is gonna have a place, but that is where it takes us to Proxima Midnight. Now, this is a car that people either, like, had her at the lowest ranking, or they liked her in time. And maybe, dude, I'm just on the straight discard Copium Juice. But, Proxima Midnight, when this is discarded, jumps to your lowest powered location that isn't full. She's a 4. 7. 4. 7. Good stat line. Definitely love it. You're a 4 7 bro, a 4 7 that you're just getting for absolute free with the Modoc play, with the Corvus play, with the Blade play on turn 2. What are we thinking about Proxima?
Alexander Coccia:I think it's a bar with no name buff.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, yeah, the one time that location hits you.
Alexander Coccia:I just wanted to say it because someone has to say it. I think it's a cool card. I really like the card's design. I really like the idea of like, having this control discard style effect that it gets discarded, it goes to the lowest power location, allows you to attack that. But there are two things I want to bring up about this car that's been bothering me and kind of impacting my ability to give it a rank. I'm giving it a three stars, by the way, which is a conservative, I'm not too sure where it's going to end up rank. One, Dracula is often your lowest powered location, but you often don't need power there, right? Like that's the one factor. Dracula sitting as a 4 1, you know, that ain't a 4 1, right? That's going to do some damage later. Proxima is a wasted proc into that location. That's one consideration, right? And two, I mean, I'd like to hear your thoughts on this, Cozy, but like, Black Cat's a 4'9
Cozy Snap:Yeah, but you have to play another card to really activate her, like technically activate her. That's a fair, both of those are fair points. Funny enough, if I go to Dracula, because that's actually where I wanted to start, why would you not, I think this synergy is actually beautiful, because I think this is finally bringing back some of the dependable discard, yet again. Dracula, who I've been loving lately, would go ahead and discard her. He would become a 4 8 at that point, if that was the last card that you were able to get down, and hey, we've already played Corvus maybe, so you can play Apoc early, you can play whatever you need to do with that. Then, he's a 4'8 she lands to another location, or with Dracula, cause that's fine too, and all of a sudden, you're getting Dracula becoming what is that now, a 15 power play? That is, that seems awesome to me. Absolutely awesome. And by the way, obviously we can just say Modok. Like, clearly just the Modok play, zapping it all, getting the furry points on it. You know, maybe you don't get to play Dracula down, and you just get Proxima with Corvus, with with Dracula, and Proxima Midnight. I'm telling you, I think Discards can be feasting.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, there's a lot of Discard synergy here. And I mean, even to some degree, you could make the argument that Supergiant could be used in Discard as well. To actually, like, flip the order of your plays and stuff like that, which could be really interesting. But, like, okay, okay, hold on. Hold on, maybe, I don't wanna do, I don't like doing the 5s like you do sometimes. I like, I like full committing to a star. I'm gonna stay 3, but I can see myself saying at the end, the start of the next season, be like, You know what I'm saying? Four star card is a four star card because like it really is a cool effect. I and I really do think the effect is interesting I think it's valuable for discard to have this targeted discard style effect like from an actual discarding perspective because I don't know about you the amount of times i've played hella and it's but I we won't even work in hella Because it will never go it's never discarded truly, right? It like leaves your hand. It just hits the board, right?
Cozy Snap:Yeah To me if you look at all the cards we have in the game There's only like two or three that want to be discarded so this is It's actually like a huge addition, right? We've gotten these targeted discards, now we finally have something that says, Hey, hit me, right? Like, Moon Knight, actually, funny enough, Moon Knight maybe can fit into this mold, right? Because it's like, hey, it's okay. Because if I'm defending Corvus Glaive, I gotta say, okay, well, then some of these more risky cards might finally have a bit more of a home. Because now, if you have Swarm, Apoc, and Midnight in the Hand, or even two of those. You're looking a lot better, right, because you have way more targets. Now, if you are like anyone else in the Snap community, it's taking your best card every time, period. It's always that way. It's the one that you're, like, not looking at. We talked about this last week. Begging for it not to be discarded. However, I think now that we can have more of these, and they have to be careful how many they put in. It could elevate cards. Obviously Silver Samurai may not work here because of just the way she's statted, but I think this is gonna go a long way.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, and technically she's a 4 9 if you consider the Mobius effect. Not Mobius. Morbius is on the board. Discard 2 power over there. She comes down as a 4 7, 9 power overall. And she might actually be good with, like a Gambit. Because, like, again, Gambit, you don't, like, you might Look who I had up! You just put Gambit on the screen! Hey, yeah! Unbelievable timing, Cozy!
Cozy Snap:A 3 10? I'm pretty sure that's so, you know, double black swan. Oh, guess what? And you destroy a card. That's like a, it's a three, let's say it's a squirrel. It's a three, or like a nightcrawler. Okay, 312. But then anything higher, you start to get to pretty nutty territory.
Alexander Coccia:I like how you gold split this this variant, by the way. Very, very good choice. And I will tell you as well, the, the one thing about Gambit is that I feel like you like to play later because you hit a higher profile target often, right? Yep. But, playing him on Curve, potentially hitting Wolverine, Swarm, or Proxima, like, that's not bad, man. That's decent value.
Cozy Snap:So Gambit, I, I will spoil this, and we, I can talk more in extent later, but he is my favorite 3 cost card that's on your side, right? Like, period. Because it's like, oh, you played Zabu? Let me kill it. You, like, you get value early or late. Like, you can pick your poison. The only time where Gambit, you're like, is when it's destroyed, and you're like Okay. Don't miss on turn six on the Knoll. Like that's kinda the best you got going for it. And then it hits the Wolverine twice or whatever it is. But yeah, I think Gambit has a lot to offer here. It's just these random carts that you just brought up, Swordmaster, you know, I, who knows? Maybe because we have more of these targets, we start to introduce this a bit more and you can get more B out or more B out. No more B. I'm gonna screw that up for the rest of my life. But you can get Morbius out on Curve Blade out on Curve, things like that. It'll be interesting to see how much this truly does elevate it. And lastly, man, do we think there are builds where you double up, and you want 14 power that you can get for free, and then you discard a ton with Modok? Is that a world that exists?
Alexander Coccia:Could be, could be, like you do Mo sorry, you do like a Zabu into Moongirl, into just, like, oh, Dracula, and then you just, Modok into Apoka, I don't know, that seems like very, hey, I drew the perfect hand, look at me snap, but like, I, I can see the potential, definitely, I, I can definitely see it working.
Cozy Snap:So, either way, yeah, that with the Storm, that with Moongirl Unpredictable, Discard. We're start We're gonna get a lot more working all together in unison. And I think that's what the last two had me excited. And fun fact, I'm not alone here. On Twitter, we got a great amount of responses, buddy, for the Snapchat. Like, one half had Corvus and Proxima, one and two. The other half, you know, 4 and 5. Like, it was, there was just no middle ground. And so, I'm excited to see, kind of, how these flush out all together. However, buddy, that's gonna end it for us on the new cards. Let's take it to the OTA. We'll be quick. Not the craziest OTA. For a reason, we have the balance patch. We have the new cards coming out. I think they wanted to be tame. It was a healthy meta already. Hey, guess what man? They finally caught up with us. Heimdall got nine power. I saw that and I thought of you immediately, man. I was like We called it. We called it on the Snapchat. We called it the day Shang Chi got nerfed, right?
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, absolutely. We had been saying as soon as Shang Chi got changed, we've been talking about Heimdall being a nine power for the longest time. I specifically remember saying Heimdall needs to be a six nine. Nice. I've said it like six times on this podcast.
Cozy Snap:What about ghosts? What do you feel about ghosts?
Alexander Coccia:That one's confusing to me. Like, that one, I was like, you know what, like, The only person I know that plays Ghost was my brother, because it was an ongoing card and he only plays Spectrum decks. And so, like, I had a one drop, and it was, like, good in those types of decks, right? And with a bit being a one drop as well, you could sneak it into, like like, kind of like Valkyrie based shells. I mean, the card was irrelevant, ultimately, and it's probably gonna stay that way.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, it's just tough, like, what list does it belong in, especially in this meta. I do agree. How about 2099 is a 5 9.
Alexander Coccia:I mean, 5 9 is statistically better than 4 6, but I don't know. I don't know if it does enough for the card.
Cozy Snap:I think it's cool. I think move needs a null and or Morbius for it to be competitive period. I think it has to happen.
Alexander Coccia:I think this text ultimately changes to be, it destroys the highest power card in the location. And it's like a 4 6 or something.
Cozy Snap:Well, hot, that's what want now. And then finally the old Hulkbuster buddy, which I think listen. It did nothing. It did nothing. It did nothing. But, did you see that on the website, they, they leaked that Venom was supposed to go to a 4 5? I'm not gonna lie, I don't hate a 4 5 Venom. I think it's kind of interesting. Do you think that would kill the archetype? I think it's, I'm glad they didn't do it, but I also think it's definitely interesting.
Alexander Coccia:So I didn't see that, so you're hitting me right off the cuff here. I didn't know that Venom was proposed to be a 4 5.
Cozy Snap:The notes, you know how like the notes go on the website or whatever? It was like, Venom, the reason we nerfed him to a 4 5 is because of XYZ. It was like a whole paragraph, and then that never happened. And apparently they said that they were going to do that, and then they didn't or whatever. They didn't like go into it too much. But, Venom dodged a bullet. Venom dodged a giant bullet there. However, I typically play my Venom pass pretty late anyway. Right? And you can still combo him with Carnage and whatnot for your Nimrod deck or whatever.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, I don't see 4 5 being an issue. If anything, it's just additional power for the card. Because you don't, you never play Venom on 3. Like, when are you playing Venom on 3? Never. Right? Because you're playing Deadpool
Cozy Snap:And then, of course, we got Luke Cage at the end here. We're gonna talk about it, man. He has returned to Resurrection, truly. I don't mind him as a three cost, but I forgot how much value he actually brings, right?
Alexander Coccia:Oh, he's an immense card. And I really like that Second Dinner is doing this like, Okay, hold on. We can't have these board range effects on two costs. Let's give Kaeyra a three stat line. Let's give Luke Cage a three stat line. That's a fair cost for affecting the entire board. He was awful before. I'm glad Luke is back. Yeah, 100%.
Cozy Snap:And then it also like revives cards like Lizard, Typhoid Mary, just like I would draft them, right? I'm like, okay, great, we have location control, like, against things, like, even, like, Quantum Tunnel, or whatever that sets it to, or what, Realm, Quantum Realm. There's too many locations, but yeah, love Luke Cage, definitely the winner of the patch.
Alexander Coccia:Cozy, we got Pixel albums coming to Marvel Snap. So I have to ask you, what are some of your top Pixel variants that you have? And maybe, I'll get you, or even myself, do a dramatic reading of the Pixel.
Cozy Snap:Dude, I am glad that we're having a use for the Pixels finally. Like, it's finally happening. I can't believe it. Favorite Pixel? Ooh, I have so many good ones. Okay, we gotta start with the the clear. The clear cut winner, the Chad of the pixels, man. Like the guy that def if you look up sexy in the dictionary, it just has a picture of Agent Coulson pixelized. I mean, just an absolute a gem. Can we both agree or, or no?
Alexander Coccia:Absolutely. And for the audio listeners, it's Agent Coulson, pixelated, but sexy as hell. Wearing a beautiful blazer, leaning in to what is. Gonna be the most accurate revolver shot of all time.
Cozy Snap:He could be holding a microphone or he could be a Lego man and I think that's why it's the wonderment that really gets me. I also have a shout out to give Jubilee. I think Jubilee has a really just kind of like anything that can look like a Super Nintendo, you know, like straight outta that. Yes, exactly right. Like that's my definition. And there's only a couple that hit that, but Jubilee, what about you? What is, what is yours? I probably have it, I'm sure.
Alexander Coccia:Whoa, I didn't do the dramatic reading of the Jubilee for the audio. Listen, what are we doing here? Hit, so it's Jubilee running towards the camera in a Stardew Valley esque pose. Ready to cause some havoc.
Cozy Snap:Beautiful. I was gonna do like the, I was gonna be the guy, you know, that does the special effects behind you was for the visuals, you know, for the visual listeners. What about what, what's your, what, what is yours, buddy?
Alexander Coccia:Oh, come on. Crystal. You gotta have the crystal. The crystal's unbelievable. It's right up there, ready to go. Yeah, it's one of the absolute nicest ones as well. And it's crystal floating amongst rubble and debris, with fire and ice in hand. A song of ice and fire, one might say.
Cozy Snap:Oh my gosh, Game of Thrones, coming at you hot. I love it that you have cards that we've mentioned, and then you have things like, I love this onslaught, where it looks like, I don't know, like two flashlights in disguise. It's so bad. It's so bad, man. It's so bad. But finally, guys, We have a use of our pixels, buddy. And the emotes that go with it also look pretty good. January final rankings, man! I'm nervous about this one. We had some, you know, some ticks on January, that's for sure.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, absolutely. There was a lot, like a lot going on this past month and we talked about some major cards coming out and it's hard to predict the value and the power of cards in advance, but I got to tell you, it's been a pretty cool month with some ups, with some downs and some surprises as well, right off the top. Okay. Let's talk about it. Caiera, Caiera. Now I had given Caiera a. Five star rating. I went all the way to the moon with Kyra and you, my friend gave her a 4.5 star. Right. Your classic 0.5. You, you dip either way of I get it, I get it. Cozy. Where does Kyra land for you? Ultimately?
Cozy Snap:Yeah man, Kyra ca when we talked about Kyra, we, we kind of had that gut feeling that she was going to be just useful like moving forward in Marvel Snap and I think I kind of still tend to agree. I have her around a, like a, still like a 4, 4. 5. 4 is kind of just like the gut, what I, what I had down there. So I'm gonna go with that, cause at times, it just doesn't curve out, you know, perfect. And isn't in every deck that I thought I could go into. But also, I have lost games, because I have a Shang Chi ready to kill Magneto, and I can't do it. So I give her about a 4 now.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, I absolutely agree. Four star is where she goes. I think we're, she definitely had an impact as you're seeing her replace core components of existing strong decks. Like strong archetypes are adding Kairi in as a core piece. Remember anytime you'll have a card that can come out. And replace you know, a card in a top performing deck. And there's only 12 cards in that deck. It's done its job. So I do lean towards like, in terms of like meta relevance, it's, I would say near five stars. It's 10 percent of the meta, nearly a 52 percent win rate. That's about as good as you can get. Well, also not infuriating the entire audience base, right? Like it's, it's, it's a great release because it does what it's supposed to do. It's effective. But it's not annoying.
Cozy Snap:And then with Black Swan, you just got this, right? You've got this going up and up and up. Because I'm telling you, people just undermine the stones in Thanos. But once you start getting a lot of those out there, and you protect them, it's, it gets really tough. And it's just, Kaira is just kind of like, she reminds me of Ebony Blade. She's just, her ongoing, yeah, it's an ongoing effect. But it's so, like, It's not worth your time to rogue it, right? Or enchantress it most of the time, and it's just awkward to deal with. She's an awkward card to deal with, right? A good chunk of the time. So yeah, Kyra, 4 star. I went from 4. 5 to 4, you went 5 to 4. Love to see it. What's the next one?
Alexander Coccia:The next card is we'll say, well, Grandmaster. Let's talk about Grandmaster here. Grandmaster came out and I mean, it was a card that you and I were pretty hyped for. You gave it a 4 on the low end, a 5 on the high end. It was one of your most anticipated cards of the month. I came in at at 4 stars. Kozy, I, listen, I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts on this, because I think this has been a very We'll see a card that has a lot of varying opinions.
Cozy Snap:Yeah. I mean, if we're looking, if we're looking within the month for the month, definitely went a little bit of hot, saw a bit more potential for him than what he ended up being. Looking forward into the future of Snap and him as a card, still love him, still has a 4 star rating for me, feel great about it. That's probably where I land out for him.
Alexander Coccia:Listen, I think this is one of my, one of my top cards of the month, I played an absolute insane amount of Grandmaster. The statistics don't lie though, at a 47 percent win rate, a negative cube rate overall, and 9 percent of the meta. 9 percent would indicate that people tried him. People tried them across different decks and at a 47 percent win rate, that's low. That's low. Remember, Kaeyer was at 52%. But even the top performing decks were still running like, you know, 54%, 53%, like they were good, but they're not, they're not going to shatter the meta, right? And he was a good additional piece to something like a Ronin deck, for instance, because the double master mold play was what Ronin needed. But then again, Ronin as an archetype wasn't quite there. So if Ronin was better, for instance, Grandmaster would lift, right? I found it best performing in decks that utilized you know, disruption. Anytime you're Grandmastering a Rockside, Grandmastering a Black Widow, Grandmastering Master Mold, those were where it really shone. Not so much the, I'm gonna Grandmaster Arnim Zola type thing, which was a little on the kind of greedier side of things. But ultimately, ultimately. I came in at four stars, you came in at four to five. I would say that this is probably, in terms of statistics, a two star. But I would be willing to say that I believe it actually is a three to four star going forward. I just, there's going to be a day where there's going to be the deck that's running a 61 percent win rate, and it's going to have Grandmaster in it.
Cozy Snap:I love it. You're skipping on Scar. We got Scar. I thought we were going to go in order. We start with Kaira, we've got a Grandmaster. Where's the season pass card?
Alexander Coccia:Go ahead and kind of randomly list it. You want to talk about Scar next? We can talk about Scar next. Lead the way.
Cozy Snap:I feel like Scar, because I like Scar, because I feel like he's such an interesting He's such an interesting card as far as people's opinions on him as well, right? Like, he's gonna be a card that's gonna adjust well into Snap. Same thing. But again, we looked at it, we saw that cost two less, and we were like, you know, freaking out, we're like, another cost? But it was kind of tougher to get him on curve all the time and have him in the right decks and slot it in there. But he is, he's working as intended, in the Thanos, in the Destroyer decks. What did we give him?
Alexander Coccia:We both gave him four stars. We gave him four stars, which honestly, I don't think it's far off. Like he's not flashy, like he's not flashy. He didn't come out and like completely mess everything up, but he's been in a lot of decks, right? He's been a good addition to those decks. He's running a 52 percent win rate, which is pretty solid. The win rates have been very compressed this season. I think it's been one of the most competitive metas we've had, and it's a 15 percent meta share. Like that is not insignificant.
Cozy Snap:Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I would say 3. 5 is probably where I land on right now for Scar. That feels, you know, at least in the usage that I give them. And you know, he's definitely a tick up from like Shaw. Like, I'd never see Shaw anymore, right? Whereas, I think Scar will still remain around there, you know? In comparison. And I love it when someone looks at Black Swan and they're like, All the Second Duder does is release broken cards. Like, I don't know, we've had some pretty bad season pass cards as of late, you know? Not saying Scar's bad, but in comparison, right? All together. But yeah, I think Scar's about a 3. 5.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, and I mean, is Scar not like a perfect season pass card release if you think about it? Like we, we give him so much heck about like, Oh, look at Loki and look at Elsa. Those were like the two really big misses. We had Phoenix Force. We had Dakin, which was beyond fair. We had like we got Scar, like really like, yeah. So Scar is like not problematic and he's in 15 percent of the meta, but no one's like, Scar has got to get nerfed. He just came in quietly, did like improve some decks. He's just been worth it, right? And I think that it's a very, very clean launch and well executed by Second Dinner. For sure.
Cozy Snap:And, and, and sadly once we leave Scar I guess we, you know, we have one more decent one, but we kind of head towards a downhill slope on some of these other cards, man. And I'm actually kind of curious, like, what did we give them, looking at it? Because, listen, what we're trying to do here is, w when we talk about a card to the fullest extent, even something like Miek, we're trying to find every reason why you'd want to get Miek. Because Yeah, sitting here and be like, hey, Miek's gonna suck, you know, it's just like, it just doesn't do any, there's no conversation there. So I love that even as bad as cards look, we still try to give it a shot to see if they can be somewhat competitive. I think Mario, though, we kind of just were like, yep, she sucks, moving on. But what's the next one? What do you want to go with?
Alexander Coccia:We may as well talk about Miek. You were just talking about Miek yourself there. Miek, you actually did not rank. You did not officially throw the stars out there. I think you were too busy poo pooing on it. So we'll say Cozy gave it a 1 star. And, I gave it a 3. I gave it a 3. And Cozy's disagreeing. Cozy didn't give it a 3 star. I think what your language you were giving it was like a conservative like 2 I think 2.
Cozy Snap:5 is what I gave it on the video release for him. And that's probably where I stick with it. Maybe 2 point, maybe 3 in Discard. 2. 5 outside of that. And listen, the cool thing about Miek is we're gonna know immediately in the month of February if he's truly gonna fit with the others in Discard, right? Like, I don't know if he goes into the builds with Corvus and Proxima Midnight, but where are we landing at Miek now? Where do you have him?
Alexander Coccia:I say he's a 3 star card. I mean, he's garbage everywhere else. He's a very niche specific card, but if you're playing Miek outside Discard, copium. Like, honestly, like, you have to play him in Discard. How is he bad? Like people were saying, Oh, Miku's dog crap. Like I, he's a horrible card. He's a one six, like very commonly. How would he, how is that bad? How is a one six bad? Like I don't really see it. The effect in the movement could be somewhat irritating. Yes. Okay. There's that random nature of it. His movement is like very difficult to kind of coordinate I found sometimes, but then again, like turn to pure stats and power, he puts up the power. Like what else do you want? Like how, how big do you want a one cost card to get?
Cozy Snap:I think the only thing I don't like about him, because everything you said is true, and you just have to play with, like, coordinates of what you're trying to do, and like, you have to close a location down. I think when Proxima comes out, right, then she goes into the worst lane, maybe, that makes Miek move even to the other lane that you whatever, right? Like, I think it's gonna kind of even itself out. The only reason I don't like him is because of Chavez's removal and discard. Like, even if you get Blade on turn six, you're like, Okay, well I have another fuel engine of maybe getting up my Morbid, whatever. Truly one of the worst cards to get late, right? Like, unless you've got the MODOK into Miek. Outside of that, he's the value you want. I'm gonna give him a 2. 5 for now. He has the month of February to really prove to me otherwise. But yeah, Miek does his role. He does his, you know, his role for discard.
Alexander Coccia:Statistically very weak though, 49 percent win rate positive cube rate but just ever so slightly, and only 1 percent of the meta. So people clearly skipped out on this week and just didn't feel like Miek was worth it. Because Discard's being played. You're seeing a lot of Discard. Black Knight is still one of the, like, kind of like major meta players out there. It's not like the top tier right now, I think it's been steadily kind of falling a little bit. But Miek's not making those decks, not even close, so. Very interesting to see Miek kind of you know, flounder ever so slightly. That'll bring us to Hercules. Hercules coming in. Now this is quite funny. I gave it a 2 star, you gave it a 2. 5. Cozy! I know it's only 5, but you came in hotter on this hunk of trash. So I'm gonna leave it to you to defend it. What's up with Hercules?
Cozy Snap:It's kinda like Spider Man 2099. I feel like the archetype is in a tougher spot, rather than just the card. 4 7, I'd still give him a 2. 5 inset archetype. He's probably a 2 star is where I'd ultimately land him at. Move just needs some other source of power, and that's what needs to happen. He can go over the top, you can definitely have some fun with him, but at the day, you're playing a move archetype deck, and it just gets kind of pushed out, right? So, that's ultimately where I land. I was hoping they would have gone for less power, cheaper cost, they went for more power, and now that we got that in Spider Man 2099, like, we don't need that, we don't, we want, we want to be able to Sheeply play some of these cards. So yeah, two star is where I'd land out. Probably.
Alexander Coccia:I'm giving them one. I think it's a trashy. I just don't, I don't know why you'd want to play them. I just don't see it. The four seven stat line's not even good enough. I get it. I get it. You go, oh, the dagger play, like there's the pop off plays. Not worth it. It's just not worth it. I would rather have, like, okay, you could play Hercules and do, like, a pop off with, with Dagger, and with you know, Absorbing Man, and all the Absorbing Man, maybe even Absorbing Man, I don't know, the pop off for move, oh, I got the, I got, like, Dagger to 24, like, 25, or whatever the hell it's gonna get to now, and it's like, oh, look how great this is, and then, like, that's cool. Or, You could play Shuri, Red Skull Taskmaster. You know what I mean? Like, the amount of effort that goes into it is insane.
Cozy Snap:It's a move archetype, 100%. It's Edo. We've kind of stated this before. It's the hardest one to balance. Because what are they going to do? If they make it to Like, I love they gave Heimdallr a powerpoint. Yeah, right? But like, we need them to truly take a risk on move. Even if it's for a week or two. To just see what happens when you go a little bit hard. On maybe tweaking the dial. A bit more than they should just to see what world that looks like in Move. And we continue to see like Doctor Strange. We're like, whoa! You know, we keep seeing this, but it's still landing flat. We've got, I'm hoping, because we already know March. I think officially on Tuesday, we'll get to see the datamined on April season. And we just hope, I hope there's a Move card in there that actually builds up stats.
Alexander Coccia:Perhaps. I mean, don't forget that ghost butter used to be a two drop as well. It got brought down to one, which is increases the competent. They've been slowly upticking the the whole archetype as a whole. That on one note though, and we're going to talk about it by the way, Hercules, 48 percent win rate, negative cube rate, 0. 6 percent of the meta, less than a percent, absolutely dead card. But talking about data mines. It's worth noting that things are changing as they're releasing in the data. Data mines cannot be held reliable. Like we see the black swan, right? And the next car we're going to talk about was Beta Ray Bill. In our defense, when Beta Ray Bill was originally being discussed on our podcast, it was a four, five. I gave it a two, you gave it a three. Okay. That says a four, five prior to release. It goes to a four, six. When you have an ability that doubles its power, that's a pretty significant change, right? Because the baseline was, oh, you can get, you know, 4 10 stats, or 411 technically with the Stormbreaker, or 412 or 413 if you consider the Stormbreaker as well. That's a big difference, right? I'd be interested in having you lead the way on this for Beta Ray Bill, because I got a lot I want to say.
Cozy Snap:No, I'm going to let you. I'm passing, I'm passing the baton to you, because this is your, this is your car I've got my Grandmaster. This is your, like, I, I know you like Beta. Ray Bill. So I'll let you, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm passing it back. You gave me the ball, Mike. No, you!
Alexander Coccia:Okay, so what I'm gonna tell you right now is that I feel like I missed the mark on Beta Ray. I'm so happy that I'm wrong, though. I give him a 2 star, and that was a 4 5, so give me a little bit of leeway there. This has been my favourite card of the month. It's been my favourite card of the month. I can't tell you how much I love Beta Ray Bill. Like, I, it's just, it's been so fun. I'm kinda worried about Supergiant ruining my Jane, my Jane Foster, my Lady Jane. I'm worried about that. I've loved this deck. I've loved it. And I've loved Beta Ray Pill. I think he's been fun. I think that he, he needs a voice line though, like, come on, what are we doing here? And while I was playing Thor, why does the froggy Thor not make froggy sounds? You know the frog, like, why is it not going like, gerbil, gerbil, what's a frog say? Ribbit ribbit?
Cozy Snap:Gerbil, gerbil.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, I said gerbil, gerbil, that's not what frogs say, right? Ribbit ribbit?
Cozy Snap:Yeah, ribbit, yeah. Hey, can I just say this? Both of our favorite cards, Grandmaster and Bill, are the most fun cards of the month by far. Like, they both brought a lot of fun to Marvel Snap. I know people that picked up the game again because of Bill. Like, he's that fun of a card. So what are you giving him now?
Alexander Coccia:For me, it's a 5 star personally. But, as a whole, I think he's a 4. I think it's a four. For me, I would buy this card. If it was 10, 000 cards, I'd buy it again. With a smile on my face. I love the card. And we nailed it on the Snapchat. We nailed it. We talked about the, as we always do, we talked about the, the Lockjaw Oscillator, but we said, we literally said, hey, look at the curve. Look at the curve. You could, you know, have a deck where it's Zabu, right? You have Zabu, then you have Thor, you have Beta Ray, you have Jane, and then you have Odin. Why do you even need Lockjaw, right? The crazy thing about that is you can play the, the, the Mjolnir and the, the Stormbreaker into the Odin. It's boom, boom, boom, pop ups all over the place. I love this card. This has been one of my favorite cards released in recent memory. I don't care if it's underperforming. I don't care if it's overperforming, by the way, 52 percent win rate. So it is performing. I love this card and people agree it's running 50 percent of the meta. I'm glad that Beta Ray Bill's getting work done.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, I'll give him a 3. 5. So I have him at 3. 5. I think, what did I give him before that? How dare you?
Alexander Coccia:You had given it a three star, so you actually came in higher than me. I was lower than you at the start. And now, I am like, literally preaching to the choir of Beta Ray Bill. I love this card, he's kind of poo pooing at 3. 5.
Cozy Snap:3. 5 is a great rating, there's 1. 5 left for a perfect card. I think A, I think he's, I like him better in ladder than I do in conquest. The, the, over the course of like, a conquest match, it just You need that predictability. Unless you can, you can suck him in for that 8 cuber, you know, and then you're like, really looking good. Very predictable in his playlines. I'm just talking about the cons to start, right? Pretty predictable in his playlines. If you don't get the combo wombo, you're done. You're screwed most of the time. That's why I don't like him. Everywhere else, I do. I like him a lot. Now, what I didn't love is like, I don't love him going into like, decks that are already performing, and then like, he goes in there. It's funny, because we said he wasn't flexible. But then, we did talk about the combo package being flexible, so Jane, Thor, and Bill, and that is proving to be true. You can start now swapping that into a bunch of different decks, and it's performing at a pretty high level. And what we, I think, alluded to then as well is that, like, you have a card that single handedly can win the lane by himself, right? Like, single handedly win the lane by himself. So you gotta love it. I think, dude, 3. 5 is a, I like him a lot. I do truly think he's a fun card. He's a good card. A little bit limited at sometimes and can be stopped at sometimes. The dude's punching up, he's doing a good job.
Alexander Coccia:100%, but he's like over 20, regularly. Regularly over 20. And the Asgard package is good, right? I think the Asgard package is good with as the four cards talk about Jane Foster, Thor, Beta Ray, and Odin. That's like, kind of like, if you think about like, package and snap. You have like, the Annihilus package, right? You have the, the Hood, Sentry, and then you have Annihilus. You have the Darkhawk base package. And as you start kind of mixing and matching these packages, suddenly you're like, Hmm, hmm. Things work pretty well here, and of course, being a 4 cost card, Zabu Synergy, you're able to sneak in some Miss Marvel, sneak in some Shang Chi, it's just very well balanced. I love Beta Ray, I can't speak highly enough of him, I still feel a little insulting giving him a 3. 5, but maybe one day Cozy will come around and admit that Beta Ray's at least a 4. Cozy missed me with his 5 stuff, man, he's a 4, Cozy's saying 4. That's what I'm I'm going with on the record here. Then that takes us to our next topic, Cozy. Our next topic. I refuse to let you get away with 3. 5.
Cozy Snap:Oh, I love it. I, I over here, Grandmaster, he's like, Grandmaster on paper's a two winner. I'm over here like 3. 5 is a pretty good card. No, hey, it's alright. It's alright. He's a dumpster. I mean, wait, he's great. He's great. What do you want me to say? I forgot. He's a five star card, everybody. He's the best card in the game. Yeah, he's definitely fun, man, and I think he is Oh boy. Super giant. Could be tough for him though. Super giant could be tough, but fun factor. It's be tough for a lot of people. Top of the top of the charts for Fun Factor, no question about it.
Alexander Coccia:Let's talk about our favorite cards of the season. Cozy. Now, last season was a ton of fun. Some of us love be Ray Bill and it was my forecast, so I'll pick another one. But yes, Vator Ray Bill was a ton of fun as we're a bunch of other cards as well. So Cozy and I we're gonna, going through our top cards at every single cost in this past season, what we loved turning to for the cubes for the fun. And for just overall in our play, Cozy, we're starting at cost one and I'll pass it to you.
Cozy Snap:I was going to ask if you want to play a game in that we both guess each other's first. Alright, so try to guess, try to get, like, just try to guess what they've been playing, and in general, yours and mine, right? So, my guess for you, Spider Ham.
Alexander Coccia:Spider Ham was number one. Absolutely. Spider Ham, legit, cozy. I mean, what gave it away?
Cozy Snap:I know you so well. I just know you. I was just like I, cause I feel like whenever I was attending regularly the church of Spider Ham, and I was like, hey, he's pretty good. He's not that bad. Like I saw you like slowly convert, you know, slowly and slowly and I don't know I've just I've seen some spider hamness from over Alex there on Twitch and I'm like he's picking spider I I'm pumped. I nailed that dude. Okay, what's mine? What do you think mine is?
Alexander Coccia:Oh, man Okay, so I wasn't prepared for this you hit me with a bit of a curveball I might be wrong, but I want to I'm gonna throw I'm gonna throw Forge out I'm wondering if you what you feel about Forge.
Cozy Snap:Okay, I like it. No Forge is not mine. It was in Baku No, it's not Forge, but I I see you know it going for the combo stuff. So definitely, you know not too far off. Mine right now is, it's impossible not to pick it, even through and through. It's Deadpool. Yeah, I gotta go Deadpool, man. His pop off is just so crazy. And with the Hulkbuster change, I even like it a little bit more. You gotta love Deadpool. He's single handedly just like Y Destroyer. He's popping off where it's at and definitely had fun playing a man. And just, I'm in love with the character. It's impossible not to. I just re watched the movies again. So Deadpool's mine. Talk to me about Spider Ham. Why do you love him?
Alexander Coccia:Honestly, Spider Ham, I think that, especially when you're going into Conquest, I think you need an element of of disruption. I think that the disruption is invaluable. I think that the Reduction of Sheenot allows you to play Spider Ham with a little more you know, effectiveness. I think that Destroy Packages hate being Spider Ham. There's not a single card in Destroy that wants to get hit. Not a single card. Whether it's Carnage, whether it's Venom, especially Venom is a snap condition, right? Death, right? Locking Death in at 8 or 9 cost, whatever it is, right? Pretty significant. Ultimately, I think that Spider Ham, I think it plays a very important role in this game. And yes, it's understated but I mean, you cannot underplay what it is to turn a card, which you're probably playing for the text, right? You're not holding crossbones hoping to get Spider Hammed, right? And I think that ultimately, Spider Ham's disruption is important to the ability to kind of, like, catch your opponent by surprise and take advantage of the situation.
Cozy Snap:Never feels bad to play, never feels bad to draw. Every single time. You can usually combo with what you're drawing. You hit Jane Foster on your build deck, right? You're like, snap, done. Like, that guy's done. That guy has no chance. Not even like, oh, he has no chance to win. Like, Sarah, done. There are cards that if you hit, they have to have that card. They had to have that little thing to, you know, to get them going. You hit the null. Have fun. Like, it definitely has so much weight carried to it. Never feels bad. I definitely love it, buddy. What about two cost? Let's go with the guessing game. You hit me first. What do you think I picked?
Alexander Coccia:Before we go to Tukas, I just want to bring up something that I noticed on the Spider Ham variant that you bring up, which I know is one of your favorite variants in the game. It's Potato. Did you notice that? I never knew that.
Cozy Snap:I just read that at the exact same time as you. I didn't. No, I didn't see that. It is Potato, not Potato. It's another universe. Yeah, it says Potato. I see. That's awesome. Yeah, no, I didn't see that. I didn't see it. Alright, what do you got, man? What do you got for Tukas? My guess. Guess for me.
Alexander Coccia:Guess for you, I'm gonna say your favorite Tukas was Ravonna.
Cozy Snap:Oh, come on, man. Come on. Come on. Did I get it? It's Grandmaster. It's gotta be Grandmaster this month.
Alexander Coccia:I didn't want to pick Grandmaster because I was like, I, I don't, you just finished talking about Grandmaster. I literally would have picked Grandmaster. I didn't want to pick it though because I'm like, oh, maybe you'll say Ravonna instead because you just poo pooed on Grandmaster.
Cozy Snap:If it wasn't, if it wasn't the Grandmaster, whatever, it would have been Hazmat. It was my, it was my second one just this month with the changes of like Luke Cage and stuff. Oh, what? What? What? What? Okay. Hazmat was my second one there. Yours? Tuka? Tuka. Yours. Yours at two costs. Okay, a little bit tougher. I gotta put my, my, my mind in Alex Kocha. I think you picked I think you went with just the flavor pick, man. You went with Zabu.
Alexander Coccia:Oh my god, how do you do this, man? It's not fair. I should just pretend like you didn't pick the right one. I'm like, nope! It was Sentinel. It was Sentinel all along, dammit. It was Zabu, 100%. How do you not love Zabu? He's coming back like full force, man. Zabu is, once again, meta. Like, he is legit an absolute centerpiece of the meta. He's impossible not to include in the decks. Like, he's been so good. And like, Ravonna very similar to him. Ravonna and Zabu just right there. That those two costs, like, Hey, I'm gonna make everything cheaper now. Awesome plays. Awesome. And I love the fact that now you choose. Do I want Ravonna on my deck? Do I want Zabu? They're having this different approach to the games and the decks kind of development and design.
Cozy Snap:I love it. I don't know if he makes it. I'm gonna be honest. I think they, I think that they're either going to have to tone up all the three cost cards. Or they're gonna have to tone him down. His play rate with Shang Chi, both of those guys are at like 60 plus percent. It's like, wildly above everything else. So I when I say don't he could be a 2 1, but the cool thing is like, he just does what he does or whatever. I don't know what they do with him. I just know looking at the stats, I'm a little worried. Right. And we've always been, me and you've always loved, we've been, we've been leading the Mufasa club for a while. So, definitely, you know, a tad worried about him. But yes, he just is such a natural fit and he's the start of deck design. So, no question there. I just don't doubt it. You get another shot and I'm going to see if I can go three for three. Oh, wait, no, I told you this one though. I told you this one. So we can't do this one.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah. But you have to tell me, you got to keep, first of all, we have to talk about your hazmat deck. I got to tell you, I was streaming and I was playing as this deck. I was like, wait, wait, wait, hold on. I'm like, is this Cozy's hazmat deck? What an absolute cook that was. So please, you got to talk to us about Hazmat because you're the only one, the only one talking about Hazmat on the internet right now, because this card has completely been dumpster, but you brought it back. You pumped the tires. So you have to, we, before we move on to threes, you got to talk about it.
Cozy Snap:I mean, yeah, I got that from all the, the, everybody in my, my comment section in my videos, like I'm here. Cause I Alex, he beat your deck on the, on the stream. And I was like, I went to the stream right then. I was like that SOB. Yes. Has met. It's still a dangerous card to play with. It was a ton of fun with both the Abomination package, I love that. But also in Annihilus packages that are already doing really good. Right now we're in a big kind of Flood the Board meta. It just punishes decks. And now with Luke Cage, wow, she's like right back there in action. So yep, little bit of a a cooked deck there, but you have a way to be able to play. Her with Debris. I loved Grandmaster with Debris. Loved that combo. Or, you have the Hazmat with Debris as, er with Grandmaster as well. So you have these kind of 1 2 combos that work really well. You can sneak out Abomination, or you can go ahead and avoid doing High Evo altogether. She just has so much more of an effect if you know when you're playing Hazmat and how you're playing Hazmat. Most of the time, even without Luke Cage, you're going to benefit more than your opponent.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, the Luke Cage change was used for Hazmat, also God Tier Pixel by the way, unbelievably nice pixel. But yeah, I love Hazmat, I've always been on the greedier side of Hazmat, where I try like the classic Wong, Hazmat, man type stuff. But, number three cozy, I want you to guess first, because you'll never guess. There's only one listed, it's the only one I have, only one. Favorite three costs.
Cozy Snap:One favorite three costs. You'll never guess. Sticking with your, like, your trend of what you've been going with, it's super I don't think you go Thor because I think that there's no way you go Thor. You can't go Thor and Bill. So if you didn't go Thor, I'm going to go Rock Slide.
Alexander Coccia:You know what? I'm disappointed, Cozy. You got it wrong. You know why? Cuz it's Gambit! Get rekt, noob! You were never gonna pick Gambit, cuz it was your favourite card as well! Gambit, come on, buddy! Gambit was my number one, too! That's why when you said you didn't wanna talk about it, I was upset! I'm like, I wanna talk about Gambit, too!
Cozy Snap:You playing Gambit over there? You doing a little Gambit action there?
Alexander Coccia:Hell yeah, I got the long Gambit action going when Miek was going I got Miek to like, 25 points, like, on a regular basis! I was doing the greediest ass Wong, Mystique, I was, I was getting like Wave, Onslaught out there. I was Machine Gun and Gambit. I had a deck called Machine Gun Miek. It was just pew, pew, pew, pew all over the place. The only thing that ruined it was the amount of friggin Wolverines I was getting to like 40 power. Because it was Destroy everywhere.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, right. It's yeah, like we said that on my end, right? I think Gambit is, right now, just such a good card, such a fun card. You can kill, kill the Zaburon too. Kill the, you know, game it doesn't miss. You just play me like, hey, don't miss King. And he's like, I got you. And then he kills the squirrel, and you're like, hey, try again, Grandmaster. Alright, there you go, you got the Thanos, or whatever it is. Yeah, man, I, between Discard playing that, more so than ever. Yeah, I had to go gambit high up. I know I got a lot of comments. I go, Why didn't you release your discard video that you talked about the last Snapchat? I played it on stream. My stats are awesome now sitting at 70 games. People saw the deck on stream. I saw it in the public. The numbers are fine, they're not exactly what I want though, so I'm trying to make it where it's more dependable for public play, casual play, and you don't have to have you know, you don't have to play every day to get the best advantage. But yes, I love that we both picked Gambit, dude.
Alexander Coccia:That's insane. You know what ruined Gambit 2, and I lost a lot of 8 cubers, cause this guy, I never back down. I, I, I just like, I don't want a retreat rule, whatever, when I'm streaming and stuff. Chiara. I was like, guys, we always say Chyara first, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. We always say Chyara first. And like, Chyara's just sitting there like, hey, look at me. I'm just dancing around all the shots, right? Never getting hit. I'm just like, you, Chyara. You, you, you sexy SOB. You five star beauty. You know what I mean? It's like, she ruined it. Chyara ruined Gambit.
Cozy Snap:Fair enough. Fair enough. And yeah, Destroy is, is kind of everywhere. Forecast guessing game. Here we go.
Alexander Coccia:I want you to guess for me. It's got, this one's easy. This one's easy. Yeah, Darkhawk. It's Darkhawk. It's, yeah, 100 percent it's Darkhawk. I mean, the card's all the way back. But the reason why, I can't believe you keep getting these right, by the way. I just want to, like, roast you for picking wrong. But Darkhawk, I mean, with, with Blob, with Blob getting kind of dismantled a little bit, Blob's play rate's coming down. It's not as popular. It's still good, but it's just not as popular. Darkhawk comes back up. It's funny how the game is like this rock, paper, scissors match that like, we kind of forget about sometimes. Like, everyone hates Blob. I hate Blob. Blob sucks. And it's like, hey, guess what? We just nerfed Blob. Oh, I hate Darkhawk. Someone's got to do something about Darkhawk. It's like, Darkhawk is just forever good, man. Forever good. A wise man once said, if you bought Darkhawk on day one of the token shop. It was the best tokens you've ever spent. CozySnap2023. I gotta tell you Cozy, you were right all along.
Cozy Snap:You're, you're, you're now. That's absolutely insane. I think You know, the thing about Darkhawk too is A, he just, like, destroys the Thanos deck. And then on top of that, like, he just has a couple locations that you're like, I win. Like, you know, and you can play around in the Vibranium Mines, the Subterranea. Just love the way that he's built that way. And yeah, Blob is sinking down just a touch. Just a touch, which he shouldn't, because his stats are still kind of bonkers. This should be easier for you, but where do you, what do you think my forecast is? It has to be Wong. It has to be Wong. Ooh, yeah man. You know, it's funny, cause Wong, oh man I feel bad cause it's not Wong. But it, like it is. Come on! It has to be Wong! It is Wong, it is Wong in the way that I've been playing this season. But it's Dracula right now with the discard cards, with the way that I've been utilizing them. If people want to know the way that I've been doing my, the discard deck. If you're able to Arnim Zola this guy, which, you're like, what is Arnim Zola doing in a This pretty much cooked up a Ravonna discard deck that's actually super, super good. Loving it. Two Draculas, double A pocket is stupid. It's absolutely stupid, and it's a, it's an easy win. Ton of fun, taking it through all the conquests. I've done really well, and I love, I do, I love the addition of him gaining the power. Feels way better now.
Alexander Coccia:I wasn't a firm believer in Dracula being a straight up buff, but now I'm starting to see why that extra one power and the way it's keeping it, it's starting to make a little more sense, so. And hey, this season's very discard centric, right? People are really thinking, oh, it's a Thanos season. It is. But Discard's getting a lot of pieces this season, so we'll be interested to see what happens with Dracula. We'll go to number 5. Okay, Cozy, I need you to guess first. If you hit this one too, I'm gonna be like, so, this feels like, you know those like I feel like we're in like couples therapy, where like the therapist is trying to get us to like, hey, you know, talk, and it's actually just making us hate each other more. It's like drifting us further apart. It's like the counter therapy. They're like, oh, so you guys know each other? You love each other? Like, Alex, you know, what's Cozy's favourite ice cream? And I'm like Oh, it's, it's vanilla, and you're like, Oh, I hate vanilla! Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, I would never eat vanilla first!
Cozy Snap:The board flip? You don't know me! Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? The board flip, and it's like, You know what I mean? The one's dead right, the other one's like, It couldn't be further. Well, hey buddy, I'm what, Three for one, the one was Gambit, that was a tough one. You would like, you, maybe you know, you, If you're watching, listening, He's like, he's gonna pick Jane, right? No, guys, it's Black Bolt, no question.
Alexander Coccia:You got it wrong! You missed! You missed!
Cozy Snap:You've been on the Black Bolt apologist tour over here, man! Who is it?
Alexander Coccia:I know I've been! Hey, you did this to me all along. I've been playing a lot of Black Bolt. I've been playing a lot of Black Bolt on my favorite list that I've got written here that I got receipts for if I have to show them. It's the Man of Iron, baby. It's the Man of Iron. It's because, it's because I have fallen in love with Ravonna. In my Ravonna Grandmaster decks, how do you not include Iron Man? Like Iron Man was such a good fit into so many of those decks. Not just because of the fact that like, oh, it doesn't sit, obviously it doesn't directly synergize with Grandmaster, but I found like, if you're playing a Ravonna deck with Grandmaster and you're doing all this disruption, Iron Man's a very natural fit there because I'm often playing Mystique in those decks. I'm getting a little greedy. I just was finding turn four Iron Man and the opponent's like, I'm not playing there. I'm not, I am not going to man fight an Iron Man, it just doesn't work that way. Right. And honestly, I just put, I put like, whether it was like a, like a Ronin or whether it was a Darkhawk or even like what I would do is I would have the option, do I on turn six, right? Do I actually play, do I play the Darkhawk and then Mystique to copy the Darkhawk or do I copy the Iron Man effect with Mystique and then play Darkhawk on the Iron Man, right? You have all this versatility with how you use Mystique, Iron Man, and all these ongoing effects. I got to tell you this card. I should never, I'm not going to say I've ever slept on Iron Man, but it's got to be one of the absolute best in the game that no one really appreciates.
Cozy Snap:Oh yeah, oh yeah, it was funny when I was doing Drafted Decks with the viewers, every time Iron Man came up it was like, oh let's pick Iron Man, like why would I not want that in my, we have a shot now guys, like we can win that lane. Because what's cool is it gives you a game plan, and you're like, okay, I'm going to win this lane, and then on this lane I'm just going to play a couple and just benefit, reap the rewards. If it's Nidavellir, Monster Island, congratulations, you win as well. So it's yeah, definitely like him, and then what does he do best? Shang Chi. Doesn't matter. Great. You can, you can kind of get away from the Shang Chi, play seven, eights, you know, and get the full benefit. I like it. Okay, what's my five? If
Alexander Coccia:I'm thinking really critically I feel like you were kind of on the I want to say you were really enjoying Lady Death Strike.
Cozy Snap:Hey, that's not bad. That's not bad. That's a, that's a, that's a solid pick. Like, I definitely was playing more Lady Death Strike than usual. I'd probably put it up there in the top three. Hey, month after month, I get bored of it, man, but it's Legion. It's Legion every month, man. As far as, like, impact of the game, it's a bad example to say something to Spider Ham. But it's like, it reminds me of that, where it's just like, you have a card that instantaneously can just win you the game just with him, even though you don't deserve to win the game. You know, Iron Man does that to a good extent. So that was another great example. Legion is, gotta be one of the most flexible cards in this game. I don't think I ever feel bad having him in a deck.
Alexander Coccia:You know what, man? I'm, I'm, the only thing I can think about right now is like, we're about to divorce live on stream if I don't get number six,
Cozy Snap:you're over, you're over five. Yeah.
Alexander Coccia:And you've been so close. Cause even black bull was like, so
Cozy Snap:I thought I nailed it. That one, I was like, yo, I'm about to, I'm about to easily, easily hit that one as six costs. Six cost card. Will he get it? I don't know.
Alexander Coccia:Okay, I got one. I know what your six cost is.
Cozy Snap:I don't know yours. Okay, I don't know? I don't, I don't know yours. Like, I don't have like a leading, like, oh, it's gotta be this.
Alexander Coccia:I have a leader for you. Okay, this is where I make it up right now. Ready? Okay. Alright. Cozy's number one six drop of the past season was Hella! Come on, man! No! You're trolling! Alright, I'll pay for the lawyer, I'll file the papers. It's fine.
Cozy Snap:It's done. The relationship's done. We've got no compatibility. It's over. It's over. I'll take the kids. I don't know what, what do you want?
Alexander Coccia:What do I want? I want, I just want to join the Witness Protection Program.
Cozy Snap:I can find someone who one loves what I've loves me, Alex, who actually understands me now, dude, I've mentioned this name. It's Orna. Zola. It's got to be the Zola in the Grand Master season. Oh my God. I was playing Zola in every single deck. Grand Mastering the Zola, playing Zola on Dracula. It's Zola a hundred percent, no question. It's not hella, I'm sorry the divorce is finalized, but yeah, art Zola's mine. Still love him. I've had VOA fever too. So definitely same kind of accord there. Cards like Ironman going to four or RM going to five feel fantastic. I I, I love this card, man. I, here's the thing though, I don't know yours. Okay. And I feel like even if I guess it Alex, he's like, Nope, it's no. Nope. I'm gonna go with Odin.
Alexander Coccia:Honestly, this is so sad. I can't believe this. Like, why, like why do you gotta do this? Why do you embarrass me? I technically have Odin slash Magneto, for the record, so I was thinking of Magneto as my other one. You know, it's a shame. It's a shame that we dress like a couple, and ultimately break up live on the Snapchat, right? It's over. On the day that we're both repping the stripes, we just can't do it. Yeah, it's been Odin. It's been Odin. Listen, it's been the Asgard package, it's It's been the thing that I've enjoyed the most this entire season. I can't stop playing it. And Odin's just made me very happy. And I've even gone back to playing like Wong, White Tiger Odin, and I'm like, this is pretty good too. We kind of forgot that White Tiger is actually an amazing card now, by the way. Yeah. I owe you an apology, I can't believe this. You've nailed every single one and it's like, I clearly, I don't, I don't know you man. We gotta, we gotta rekindle our relationship.
Cozy Snap:We have another month to do so. Maybe he goes in the February. You guys look out for the next episode where we do this at the end of February. We'll see if the redemption arc comes out. Yeah man, I, I think Odin Is finally getting it. We don't talk about it much as a card that always continues to reap, you know, rewards of every OTA, of every new card. If it hasn't on reveal, it has the potential to be busted with Odin. So for once, I remember for a while it was just kind of like your Scorpion Doom deck. And now there's just so many ways to win. If I Wong, or even if I don't, but if I Wong, do I play Dr. Doom? Do I play a bunch of cards like White Tiger and Ironheart and, you know, it's so much hard to Predict more what I could do with Odin so I agree, man. Absolutely, no question about it. Have him towards the top, especially for you, bud. But yeah so Alex went 0 for 6, I went, what did I go final four, four and two, four and two.
Alexander Coccia:You, I think were you five and you just missed Gambit because you would never have guessed the card that you picked, but I also picked two.
Cozy Snap:That was it. That was, that was definitely a tough one, man. But Hey, I forgive you. I forgive you. How, tell me this. How are the Snapchat mailbag questions right now? How are we, how we got some good ones today?
Alexander Coccia:Well, I'm getting a little teary eyed, so it's going to be hard to read the questions. We've got a few absolute beauties here as we enter the Snapchat mailbag. And as always, guys, if you're interested in asking Cozy and I a question, type mailbag down below, ask your question, and we'll get to about five of them every single week. If we don't get to yours. Hey, try again next week. We're looking for the top spicy questions of the week. Now, I can't wait till next week when people ask me, you know, how did you guys actually break up? Anyways, mailbag question number one coming from Andrew. What do you think about getting rid of the random series four and five cards in the spotlight caches? I really wanted Beta Ray Bill and spent three spotlight caches as a free to play player, and it's really annoying and tedious to get.
Cozy Snap:I would say you're worse doing, you're better off doing one spotlight than three. Three is like the absolute worst because if you only have three, you're like, you're right there. And if you miss, it's just, it's the worst feeling in the world, right? Because you think there's no way, there's no way this third one is going to miss and then you get it. Yeah, dude, it's annoying. It definitely sucks. I hate it. I like, you know I've seen people that with the series drops, they like it because they have a much, they don't like it, but they're getting more dependable cards that they want at random. But yeah, it's a not feel good mechanic. And so we don't, we don't love that. So yeah, I mean, I would be down for it.
Alexander Coccia:I think it's good for like, as a catch up mechanic for players that are like in early pool three or pool, like four, like them pool four, it's not really a thing, but you know what I mean? Right? Like the idea of like, it helps players catch up with their collections faster for players that are more collection complete. I think it can be like a little annoying for sure. I hate pulling the tokens. I hate it. Cause I have like 50, 000 tokens. I've actually started buying the ultimate variants. I never used to, but like, I just, yeah, like I just, I just don't need them. And I. It comes to a point where I'm like, you know what, like, I get it. I get that it's tedious and it sucks, but one thing I want to mention here, which I think is important, you should never be rolling less than four, like, to be very clear, if there's a card you want to target, you should go into that spotlight week saying, okay, I got four keys, and if I only, if I roll one and I hit it, Boom! I won the lottery, I'm rolling those keys over to the next time that I want to actually go for another card, and I'm going four. Always treat the spotlight caches as if, like, you gotta roll four cards, four spotlight keys for the card you wanna get, and then if you roll less than that, that is pure bonus and you high rolled. It's one of those situations where, if, like, you know You just expect to be disappointed, then you just won't be disappointed.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, and someone out there is like, someone out there got like, Galactus this week, Bill, and then the random card was Thanos, and they're just eating, you know, they're just like, you know, that person's not complaining. They're not on the internet, they're just playing the game, probably, at that point, but yeah. Most of the time, a lot of us, definitely, it can hurt, but save him up, man, save him up.
Alexander Coccia:Question number two for our mailbag is with the Marvel Universe, and this is from Cheezer by the way, with the Marvel Universe being so huge, do you think second dinner adding a new card every week will eventually cause bloat to the game? Do you see a future where there is a limited format like other TCGs?
Cozy Snap:Limited format. What you mean? Like as in like,
Alexander Coccia:like kinda like in like hear stone, there's like the wild format, then there's a standard format. So the idea of like, Hey, you can only release cards, you can only play cards in ranked later and in Conquest that have been released in calendar 2024, for instance.
Cozy Snap:Nah, I don't think they're gonna do that. I, I just highly doubt it. I, I don't think the comparison to Heart Stone's tough.'cause it's been broad and been broad. It's not gonna happen. There's so many Marvel characters, dude. There's just so many. They're limitless. There's a lot of new cards. They, the OTAs help keep cards fresh. I, I don't think they do limited. I could be wrong. Now, yes and no. I don't know if they'll ever say this release in forward. I think if they do, it might be like Avengers versus blank. And you have to use those cards in some game mode that week.
Alexander Coccia:I could see that. I think that the major concern is that, like, What they, so other traditional cards, the reason why, like, for instance, Magic the Gathering would utilize kind of like standard and extended in different formats, because they would often reprint cards, right? They would reprint cards. We don't really have that in Marvel Snap. We don't have, like, a lightning bolt that's being repeatedly kind of reprinted over and over again to be consistent. They just keep that card relevant in the meta for as long as they need it to be relevant. What happened with Hearthstone specifically was that they were releasing all these different cards, and remember, they would release, like, 250 at a time in a set, right? It was impossible for them to be like, okay, if we're releasing 250 cards at once, what are the chances that one of the classic cards are going to completely break the game from a balance perspective? Cause like you can't test across thousands of cards, right? You just can't do it if you're releasing them 250 at a time. So that's why they developed those formats. But as one at a time being released, that gives Glenn an opportunity to say, okay, is this card going to screw up the men or not? No? Okay. Let it go. Ship it. Right? You know what I mean? So I think that the casual drip is probably preventing that situation from happening. We got a question here from Master and it reads, What was your favourite meta of all time? For example, mine was the Silk meta when Captain Marvel and Spider Man got buffed. Now Cozy, I know I'm catching you by surprise here, I'll give you a second to think, but mine, I don't know if this is a cop out or not, but I'm gonna say, it's this meta right now. I've actually really enjoyed this meta right now. I feel like brewing is really good. I feel like we don't have a particular decks that are running like 65%. We don't have the Loki's. We don't have the Elsa's. There's a lot more brewing. I think that the win rates are very compressed. I feel like anything can win. I feel like conquest even. Yeah. Okay. Sir, control's solid, but I feel like you can take a good brew into conquest. Catch people by surprise. Get that infinity ticket. I really like where we're at right now.
Cozy Snap:Honestly. Ah, that's, yeah, that's such a tough one, man. Because there's been so many metas. Like, I enjoyed Elsa's meta a ton. I liked, like, when Bounce was doing really good, too. And Bounce was just, like, a way different blade than kind of what it is now. There was a meta where, like, you had Patriot. Like, I think it was, like, called Gunner Patriot or whatever. Like, that whole meta was, like, just a ton of fun. I remember that being very diverse. A lot of decks to play with in that. So, I, yeah, I don't know if I have, like, a dead pick. I always liked when Patriot decks with old genre kind of on top, a lot of fun flavor picks there. It would have to be because I loved Dependable Discard and all that back then, I feel like I have to include that. So yeah, I'm gonna say something, something around like, the Elsa meta.
Alexander Coccia:I also just want to shout out the the original launch of the game where everyone was card collecting at the same time. Climbing through the pools, no one had the same meta based deck and someone's like, I just unlocked Magneto, time to throw it in just for the memes, right? And you could never predict, predict what your opponent was going to play because they sure as hell didn't have a complete collection. You didn't have a complete collection. That was like Marvel snap at its peak. I think that was some of the best and we'll never get it again. We'll never get it again. That was some of my most enjoyable moments with the game. And I mean, it'll never be forgotten in my heart. I'll tell you that. Our next question comes from guild pack and it reads, I'd love to know your favorite titles in Marvel snap. I also want to say that I always love seeing these videos pop up. So thank you for keeping me engaged in this phenomenal game. I probably would have quit if it wasn't for Alex and Cozy. First of all, thank you so much for your kind words. We honestly, this is the best thing we do every week. And we say it all the time. That's the most fun we have. And Cozy and I look forward to this. This we record for like hours. This is like a three hour recording session here. And honestly, it doesn't feel like it. Cause I'm just talking to one of my best friends about a game I love, and I'm glad you guys enjoy it too. So thank you for that Cozy.
Cozy Snap:Absolutely. My favorite title. Ooh, I, so the one I have on all, as staple is, or is it typically? So, because I'm, I've never changed my name. Like, I love Dexter. He's on like, name number 50 over there. Like, I have just been, I think you too, man. I think we're like the only two that, have you ever changed your name on Snap? Never once. Never once either. Like, I, I'm like, bring, and by the way, I streamed yesterday and had a guy in the chat saying, I'm watching you. Like, as I put, I'm experiencing the stream sniping and I don't even care, right? Like, so I have as my title, Or Is It? Because I like the people. My variants, give it away if you ever want to know. If it's, if there's not a gold variant or whatever in there, you're probably not playing me. But like, Or Is It? I always have like that. I didn't know. I have no idea. Did I play it? Did I not? I love the game of it, so that's mine.
Alexander Coccia:There's been three that I've used almost extensively. One, my absolute favorite forever has been Absolute Garbage. I love seeing my name and then Absolute Garbage right underneath it. It sets the tone for the match. So that's one way to, right. You know what I mean? And the second one that I've used almost always, and it goes with my Infinity Bordered. Dan Hipp, Moongirl is the goggles do nothing, right? I absolutely love it. It's got, she's got the huge goggles and it's like the goggles do nothing. A classic Simpson reference. But lately, lately, the reason why I picked this question, Cozy. So I did, I opened 250 caches, 250 reserves, right? Collectors Reserve. I was so depressed. I was pulling garbage. Nothing, nothing. Terrible variants, pixels. Like, it was like the worst. I was going to make a YouTube video, video out of it, but the opening was so bad. I didn't, I didn't, I just deleted it. I'm like, no one wants to watch this crap. Like, no one wants to watch me open titles and pixel variants, right? It's just garbage. We pulled one variant though, not one variant, sorry, one title where I was looking, I'm like, how is this a title? And it was in all caps, and it was PANTS. P A N T S. Pants. I was like, what's this mean? Like, how can Pants be a title? Like, my pantaloons? Like, what I'm wearing on my body? On my person? Right, is that what we're talking about here? So I made up my title, and chat loved it. They're like, Pants is funny, right? And so I'm like, how can this be a title? So I made Pants the title for everything. And then I saw, I ended up discovering Cozy, I don't know if you knew this. But do you know that pants, in England, is actually the way you say something sucks? So if I want to say, oh, this deck sucks, I would say this deck is pants! No way. I didn't know that.
Cozy Snap:I don't think I knew that. Definitely didn't know that. Yeah, I thought it was like bollocks or something. Yeah, I didn't know pants, really.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, pants is apparently the way you say something sucks in England.
Cozy Snap:They do a lot of common, like, did you know, like, if I were to say, like, wow, look at that bird over there, what would that mean?
Alexander Coccia:You're looking at a blue jay?
Cozy Snap:Exactly. It's a woman. Like got a couple birds there. It's a lady, I think. I think. I might be botching that, but I'm pretty sure that's what it is. We've got pants and birds. There you go. That's it. That's amazing.
Alexander Coccia:Basically, you guys are learning about the vernacular of the English territories in Europe. That's what this podcast is. Welcome to the England chat.
Cozy Snap:From a Canadian and an American. Yeah, right? Well, dude, all I know is we got ourselves the big week ahead. We have a lot to break down there, and it's surely gonna be just mixing in two new cards with crazy effects, a whole new patch with a bunch of cards with ability changes, I am sure of it. And we have a lot to talk about next week. Looking forward to it.
Alexander Coccia:But thank you guys so much for joining this week. It really does mean the world to both Cozy and I. And if you have the time. I'd perhaps encourage you to leave a review on your podcast platform of choice. We would certainly appreciate it.
Cozy Snap:Thank you guys for tuning in. Good luck in the new Block Order season. Until the next one, happy snapping!