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Game-Changing New Season Cards | Cull Obsidian: Release The Power! | Supergiant & Black Swan In Review | The Snap Chat Ep. 67
How good is the upcoming powerhouse of a card, Cull Obsidian? What are Cozy and Alex's thoughts on the most recent lackluster patch to Marvel Snap? What are the final rankings on Supergiant & Black Swan? Join Cozy Snap and Alexander Coccia as they chat about this and more on this episode of The Snap Chat and every week as they discuss all things Marvel Snap.
How good is the upcoming powerhouse of a card, Cull Obsidian? What are Cozy and Alex's thoughts on the most recent lackluster patch to Marvel Snap? What are the final rankings on Supergiant & Black Swan? Join Cozy Snap and Alexander Coccia as they chat about this and more on this episode of The Snap Chat and every week as they discuss all things Marvel Snap.
What's going on, guys, and welcome back. Today, Alex and I are going to break down Snap's newest card, Cole Obsidian. Is this new powerhouse in the 410 stat line enough to warrant you buying the card? And what are his best synergies and combos? Alex and I are going to break him down, as well as the new leaked cards coming to Marvel Snap, some crazy things headed to us. In the next couple of months, from Hope Summers to Red Hulk, Alex and I are going to give our early impressions on all the new Datamined cards. And then lastly, guys, we're going to talk about the patch. Helicarrier, we got Omega Red. Alex going to break down how they fit into Marvel Snap and how big was the buffs and the nerfs. We're going to talk about that all today and more on this episode of the Snapchat. And as always, I am joined by Mr. Alex Coccia after one of the craziest weeks of Marvel Snap. The Super Bowl's over, we now enter the latter half of the year. At least for me, it's the Dark Times. Buddy man, what a crazy week. How we doing?
Alexander Coccia:I'm doing great. You're right. It's been a crazy week. Whenever you have, like, a patch, two brand new cards, a season rollover, it is just, like I say it all the time, it's a wild time to be a Marvel Snap player. There was so much Marvel Snap to be played, Cozy. I've played so much of this game, but you know, I've been loving it. I've been loving it. I feel like the meta is in a really fun place. I feel like the cards they've been releasing have been providing with a lot of opportunities to brew some creative stuff. And I'm just falling back in love with the game. I'm having a ton of fun.
Cozy Snap:And then we had Black Swan come out wrong and then we had Supergiant come out and she was just a complete mind eff of a card and just a lot. Omega Red's good now. There's a lot to break down. What have you been playing on the way to Infinite? You know, I know it's the climb season right now. What has been your most, you know, popular deck?
Alexander Coccia:I've been playing my Zaboo Ray build deck which is honestly one of my favourite decks to play. It has a very straightforward play pattern you know, playing Odin on top of the both Stormbreaker and Mjolnir feels great. I get to play my Froggy Thor, which I never got to play, and I'm still upset it doesn't make gerbil gerbil sounds. You know, I'm sticking with the gerbil gerbil. But honestly, that, and I've been playing a brew with Supergiant where I'm doing this, like, invisibility deck, where everything's kind of invisible on the board. It's pretty creative, but a Alioth absolutely hates you.
Cozy Snap:Dude, I love it. I've been actually playing Loki a little bit, you know, it's, it's funny because no matter what, if you have Loki in a deck, it's a Loki deck, but it's kind of a devil dinosaur collector deck with Loki as an alternative option. Did a little bit of bounce this season too, as I was making some videos. But definitely, it's been some crazy times. Now, you guys know that this week is not going to be near as good as the last. We're not matching. Alright, we're off tour. We're off our DMC. The comment section was goaded in the last Snapchat. I can't tell you, but guys, crazy episode over here. Alex, what are we talking about on your side of the Snapchat?
Alexander Coccia:Cozy, we're going to be talking about Black Swan and Supergiant, talking about decks, our overall impressions, and giving some star ratings based on our first week experimenting with the card. We'll also be talking about our top 10 one cost cards in Marvel Snap, a list that Cozy and I made together. Can't wait to go through that. And then finally, as always, our Snapchat mailbag.
Cozy Snap:Well man, let's start out with the new card, as we always do, Coal Obsidian. A little bit of an easier assignment this week because Coal is a pretty easy card to talk about for those that are listening. He's a 4 cost, 10 power card. You can only play him though, where you have a 1 cost card. Now there's surprisingly a good amount there. We're going to talk about everything that we see in the potential and obviously the star ratings. He comes alongside Thanos and Nimrod in the spotlight. So we can start there. Obviously, if you don't have Thanos, this is such like a rocket fire start to having a decent Thanos deck, because Co Obsidian is clearly going to have some synergy with the Mad Titan. Let's start there, man. Star ratings, right off the rip. What do you think for Cole?
Alexander Coccia:I mean, listen, I'm still kind of feeling it a little bit after you know, my Black Swan hype moment there last week. So, I want to be a little hesitant, but you know what? I want to go with my heart. I feel like this is a four star card. Yeah. And I might be swinging a little high here, but honestly It's 410. I think that I don't think that this is particularly difficult to accomplish, especially since we found out that you can stage the one cost on the turn you play him. Like, that is huge. It's a major difference, right? It's a completely different card if you can do that. Overall cozy. I'm feeling four stars.
Cozy Snap:So I gotta say first with that, so we hinted at that last week and I gotta say I'm actually, I'm excited about it because that means it can open up potential for other cards being able to play them. The same turn, right? Like, we've seen that in the past. And so, yes, confirmed. You can play a Nebula and Coal Obsidian the exact same turn. And that's gonna be obviously huge. And not being as telegraphic, where are you gonna be playing your Coal Obsidian? Now, listen, I think what gives us hesitation to give a high star rating is, he's a very vanilla, kind of very I don't want to say boring card, but he's just a big stat stick, right? But that doesn't change it. He's a, he's a 4 star if not higher, man. I mean, I'm done sleeping on power. We've seen it with Blah before. Definitely just going to be elite power at the level. Whether you play him on turn 6 or if you play him before that. Now, couple of things with him, as Alex alluded to, you can obviously do the same turn. But also, there is going to be a good amount of location restriction with the guy. I don't think people realize he kind of suffers from both ends of the angle there. Like, a Crimson Cosmos and a Big House kind of screw him all together. You can't play on either of those for the most part. And then there's some other instances where exactly, you know Hellfire Club, I think you can't play one cost either. There's a couple of locations like that. That might end up hurting Cole Obsidian but anyway, bud I agree, 4 star, that would probably be about where I rank him. We talked about, you know, Thanos as the first synergy, we might as well start there. I mean, clearly What does Thanos try to do? It tries to slam down big cards that you can't do a lot. Now, he is a 4 cost card, so that makes it a little bit awkward with like the way Thanos works in general. But you're gonna have your, your slew of pickin right? Between all the different lanes and the 1 cost cards. Scar is naturally one of my favorite synergies with this guy, and he is in the best of the best Thanos decks at that, right? So you have that for your advantage. And then the lockjaw aspect, you know, you're not going to complain about getting the 410 there in the middle. So I think it's nothing but upside in Thanos.
Alexander Coccia:So yeah, Thanos is a great package for Call of Cities and there's no question about it. And obviously, cause like, you get to play the one drops and stuff. But again, as I like to do, I was kind of going through my pen and paper, kind of Playlines like how does the play actually look here? And so I was thinking okay, this might sound crazy But what if you do something like a black swan on turn three and then you could actually drop every stone in your hand Well also obviously drawing as as you draw your stones with call obsidian on turn four Yeah, that's insane, right? Like it's crazy and you can actually feed lockjaw while dropping colegs obsidian And if you know, you're lucky you might pull like a devil dinosaur or something massive out of the lockjaw You also pull colex obsidian on the other side. They can't shunt you everywhere. Can they?
Cozy Snap:Yeah, dude, it's, it's crazy how much raw power this guy has. And that's exactly what Thanos wants to do. We used to have Thanos where you were trying to cheat out kind of big abilities, like the Professor X. And now it's like, all right, throw out the big cards. What are you going to do about it? And you're, to your point, this is going to be the most natural home because you don't have to force one cost in the deck. Obviously, it's Khan Alex. He could get Shang Chi'd right in the, in the cold nuts there. But he can also not have a deck that always has one drop. Some don't have any. Some have very few. And so cool, in those decks, you know, you're definitely dice rolling, if you only have a Nebula. Definitely, like, I would be, you know, scared to do such, you know have them slotted into that. But with Thanos, naturally, you're gonna get one card, that's a one drop, and if you don't, you're gonna lose anyway, probably.
Alexander Coccia:I really appreciate what you're saying here, but I want to kind of walk this back for a second. I've seen a lot of discourse about how this card might suck because of Shanchi, because it's a 410. And I have a different approach that I want to kind of discuss here. Yes, he can be Shanchi'd, but any large card can. Devil Dinosaur can Darkhawk can, Ronin can. But you know what the difference between Cull Obsidian is? He can be Shang Chi'd, but he can't be rogued, he can't be enchantressed, he cannot be shadow kinged, right? Yes, he can be Shang Chi'd, but he's immune to all those other effects, which can impact some of those other cards, right? And so, like, yes, he gets beat by Shang Chi. But, that's a four cost card, it's a four drop, and they're committing their four drop Shang Chi to destroy it. That actually might, just getting him out of the game, might actually be just doing enough for Cull Obsidian.
Cozy Snap:Well, I mean, nobody plays Blob, and Chi Na, and Infi Na, yeah, like, dude, I don't think that Shang Chi is a problem. That's not where I stand at all, I think it's more of One drop deck limitation. Like, for me, right, you can look at these 10 drops. You have what? You have Century, which is obviously more upside if you have the package correctly. You've got Typhoid, which is, can be risky, and you have to have the right cards. Or, you just have the one that kind of fits most decks. It's the most flexible of those options without relying on other cards, like Luke Cage, like Zero, or like Carnage, Annihilus, and Viper. And I just love him for that. I love that he's nothing but big, big, big power, right? Like, that's what you gotta love. And I think, I'm actually, I'm excited that we don't, he's not that interesting outside of just introducing the stat stick.
Alexander Coccia:I like that too. Like, honestly, like, we just came from Supergiant. Who was like basically a mind bender, right? And it was a lot of fun to experiment and design decks around it, right? But, a seriously mind bending card. And I think that a lot of players that kind of pick up Marvel Snap, they read that text and they're like, Bro, like what is this? You know what I mean? How do I even use this? Like it doesn't even They unlock it and they're like, I don't know how to put this in a deck. Like, and then you auto deck and it's terrible anyway. It's like, what is happening here? Call of Obsidian has a very obvious thing. And I think that's good, right? Like there's Okay, we have created cards that have this increasing complexity. I joked about it before! It feels like these cards are reading more and more like Magic the Gathering cards sometimes, right? And Supergiants kind of feels like that. Cull Obsidian is beautiful. Beautiful, simplistic text that we've kind of moved away from, and now we're back. So I agree, Cozy. I'm actually really excited about having a plug and play style card.
Cozy Snap:That works in multiple spots. And naturally, as games get older, then the developers trust the player base to understand, you know, more deeper mechanics. But it feels good every now and then to get something just like, raw, big power. Now on that note too, you know, we could see clearly, we could say this every time. So Zabu, letting you play him on three is obviously really good. And there are these decks, Alex alluded to one earlier, and they're creeping up. Where you're just playing big cards and you can make a deck work with armor and with a Tuma. And heck, we might even have some Supergiant Synergy with both these guys, right? When it comes to the 1 cost drops, obviously, any 1 cost is going to work. Naturally, even, you can maybe put them in high evo that has some that, you know, that just work into that deck line. But dude, my favorite out the rip, and I don't know if these, this will be in all the decks and whatnot. Obviously, I love Kitty Pride. I love the idea that you can, like, half commit a 1 cost card to a lane, and then you pop, you know, your Cole there. But also, if we do see, and I don't know if we will, Alex, but if we do see this Zoo style, where you have, you know what it is, dude, is Bounce. I just played a lot of it. Has room for like one big card, or one card that isn't working with the package. And it's kind of the same for Zoo. I love that Cole can represent a big power stick and you're not just, like, relying on a Hitmonkey. Or, you know, relying on the pop off of Kazar and Blue Marvel. It's unique and it does bring something to those decks.
Alexander Coccia:It's totally fair. And if you really want to consider the fact that like you could potentially even run like a Zeus Zabu style deck where maybe your closing finisher is actually a Kezar and you play down your Cull Obsidian and what it would take on turn five, you'd probably, okay, I've been trying to play with a deck. I'm going to spoil things a little bit here. I've been trying to work on something. I got this brew going. I'm not quite ready for prime time, but we're all friends here. So let's just talk about it. Cull Obsidian can work in a deck like this, where you'd play something like a Shawna. Yeah. Right? And then on turn five, you Falcon and you Black Swan, so all the one drops that Shauna dropped got their honor reveals. They're now free in your hand. In your turn six, you can play those one drops, and then you can also drop Cull Obsidian and Kezar.
Cozy Snap:I've been playin A little bit of Shauna. Now, I didn't Oh my gosh, seriously? No, okay, so just today, legit, just today, I was doing a Shauna Now, it was an interesting build. Again, not ready to maybe perfect, but I was doing a Shauna Sandman build. And I was like, what is this? And it had Supergiant in there, too. Because, essentially, I was combining Sandman and Supergiant. I really love the either or scenario with those two. And you can kind of get some crazy pop offs. And I was like, because I love Shauna on turn six, last play of the game. You just, like, let it rip. You just let all the cards go after Supergiant. But also, if I have Sandman, it's really tough to compete with Kezar and all these one drops just flooding the board. And so, crazy that you're also experimenting with Shauna, and I think she could work with Cool Obsidian.
Alexander Coccia:Wow, chef Cozy is my favourite Cozy. I love hearing these types of things. You actually have a lot of really creative designs, like the Toxic deck that you released last week was just so awesome and I'm so glad that like, so many people had so much fun doing it. Hey, you gotta release that deck now. Imagine playing a Zoo, like, you're basically trying to brew some sort of Zoo Sandman deck. It's like trying to get water and oil and mix them together. But at the end of the day, you end up with like balsamic vinegar. You're like, this is actually pretty good.
Cozy Snap:Hey, I mean, it started with a long time ago. I did like a Patriot Sandman because I loved the Doombots. I was like, dude, that's so much power to compete with. And so it's kind of an essence of that. Built a little bit differently, but we'll see, man. We'll see if it comes to life. There's so many decks that I come up with that I don't, I have to dedicate, you know, to so much involvement making a video that I really want to make sure it's a deck worth everybody's time and I try to, you know be proud of the decks that I get out there. But yeah, cool Obsidian. Excited about it. I think he's got a lot of potential in mainly Thanos, Zoo, Bounce, and then we're just going to see those Zabu lists. We're going to see the Zabu Force come back but in a power way, instead of an ability way.
Alexander Coccia:I might be totally crazy. I'll leave it for the comment section to decide. But am I the only one that sees Chevy Chase's wife in that Shawna variant? Oh, hold on. Like that Shawna variant looks exactly like Chevy Chase's wife. And like Christmas vacation.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, it kind of does. Holy man. That was like. One of my awakenings of, as a child. The, the Cool Obsidian's the, the opposite of that. But yeah, definitely not too much to break down here. Definitely more of a simplistic card, which is what has me excited for our next subject. Because we actually have a lot of cards to go through. We never do this. We don't do it that often. But I thought this was such a cool season. And I feel like people I think we say this all the time, because we kind of do. It's like, wow, this is one of the most exciting seasons. Truly though, to a card standpoint, the next two seasons are wild. Absolutely wild. We're not going to cover all of them in March. Just a couple of them. And we're also going to talk about all of the cards coming in April that have been leaked out. But Alex, with that, we're going to transition to it. And we start with Hope Summers. Now, Hope Summers is the season pass card for the month of March. And buddy, usually, you know, we rip back and forth. What's your star rating? We can give some early star ratings and impressions. But I think we can both firmly agree, this looks stupid nuts. This looks stupid. There's, I just, I was gonna say there's no way it releases this way, but they've already tuned it a little bit. It's a 3 3. After you play a card here, you get plus one energy next turn. That's all you gotta do to get ramp energy. What are your thoughts?
Alexander Coccia:I think that instead of doing stars, we should do like hot or not. You know what I mean? Like just kind of like a quick like yay or nay type thing. Hot! Clearly hot as hell. Yeah, this is nuts, right? I like, I would be so surprised if this releases this way. And it's also worth noting, obviously we're talking about like unreleased cards and things can change very, very significantly. I mean, Beta Rebuilt changed like a week before he got launched. So yeah, anything can happen here. But yeah, this looks absolute like. I just finished saying this about Black Swan, but I'll say it again. I don't know how this card could possibly not be incredible.
Cozy Snap:It's safer to say it here because Black Swan's for like one dedicated cost. This is just for, this opens up a lot of doors for Ramp. Like a ton of doors so like, in my opinion, you use her. Really, for wombo combos on 5 and 6, right? So like, you're gonna see a lot of 6 cost combinations with this card. Because naturally, when you play on turn 4 cards, then you can start ramping on 5 and 6. Like that, you play on 3, now the this is where people don't understand. Guys, you can play multiple cards in her lane and get multiple plus 1s from the way that it reads, and that's what's silly. So you can either play her In the Silver Surfer deck, to build up like nuts on 5 and 6. Or, I see doing a lot of, you know, Zola, a lot of Blob, Taskmaster. That's kind of where I see probably a lot of the potential. But Silver Surfer's gonna freaking love Hope Summers, dude.
Alexander Coccia:What immediately comes to my mind is like, you play Hope Summers, and you play like, Deadpool, Venom, and like, whatever else she has to be there, let's say there's a Wolverine there too, you play two cards on top of her, and then like, if it's turn four, next turn you just play out your Deadpool and your Null, and then you can like, you can do these crazy combination plays in advance, like, she doesn't have to stay on the board, even if you get like this one pop off turn, it kind of reminds me of those Jinns that you get, right? Those two energy Like, they actually kind of add up, but like, this is kind of crazy. Is this legit Kitty Pryde's time to shine or what?
Cozy Snap:Yeah, I mean, there's so This is the thing. Her flexibility is through the roof. There's not an archetype that doesn't want the ramp, right? Funny enough, I would think Destroy doesn't because you have x23. Like, maybe in that world. But to your point, what you were saying to your point is like, yeah, just putting in some cards temporarily and just using it for a one time boost. I What archetype doesn't want that? What archetype, you know, would not want to use this synergy? Even, let's say, Patriot. Doctor Doom absorbing that. Like, what you Like, you Everything's gonna want to utilize her. This is, if you, if you, if you do spin and snap, or you like kind of every now and then, this, as it is, and all these cards, by the way, subject to change, definitely will change some of these, by the way, but this has got to be towards the top. Oh, there's no
Alexander Coccia:question about it, and like it would surprise me if this actually released this way, cause it, it seems wild, but it also makes me excited to play this. And then I realize, I'm like, oh, I can't wait to play Hope Summers, the 3 3 that gives me plus one energy, and then my opponents are playing, and I'm like Dammit! Like, kids run from people
Cozy Snap:broken. So, yeah, dude, Surfer could be restored. Well, we're not going to talk about them all, but we do have the other card coming out next month that has been updated in Pixie. Now, Pixie was a one cost. She's a two cost now. And they kind of worded her to not work with Thanos because that would have been busted. On reveal, shuffle the cost of all cards in your deck. That started there, and she has one power to boot. Yo, this is, this is kinda wild. Let's start with Hot or Not.
Alexander Coccia:To me, this feels like it's probably not. Cause it's so random. Like, I, like, I don't know, man. Like, I don't know how I'm gonna deckbuild around this yet. I haven't sat down with my pen and paper like I joke about all the time for Pixie yet. I have no idea what a pixie deck looks like right now, like, I just don't know, but it's exciting.
Cozy Snap:Dude, I think warm and sizzling, like, you know, it's like because the fact that you can just have a deck, just have a deck with Wasp and Mobius, right? So you have Wasp and right away you have like, I don't know, Nullarnim Zola costing zero. And then Mobius will prevent all of your cards that would have lost that kind of like gamble, if you will, right? Like you don't want to, you know, a six cost brood. Picks Mobius would then make sure they cost the same. So Ooh, I never thought of that. Dude, it's a good call, Kozy. Is it Mobius gonna, like, oh my god. And then, like, talk about we love tech cards that not only help do one thing, but then they continue to do something for you. I feel like when I play Mobius, I'm not really playing it for me, ever. Like, I'm never like, Ha ha, now I can't, you know, whatever, use Dream Demon. It's more so, this synergy with Mobius, a two, and then a three. Dude, it lines up.
Alexander Coccia:I wonder if because you just said that, they'll like Program it so that Mobius gets ignored. And they're like, no, no, technically we're rejigging the cards. The cards are not, they're not changing.
Cozy Snap:The card is just different now. Yeah, they're transforming, oh my God, all the new words. It's transformed, yeah. Who are the other words, dude? I just ruined it. Dude, or like, you know, you know, this is going to happen. Like Mr. Negative, you play her on two and you're like, come on, you know, let's have Mobius. Your top deck, you're six cost Mobius now, because it's swapped with like a, with a Dr. Doom or whatever, and it screws you. Yeah, that's the other thing, I guess. But I like, you know, what I like about it is. What Loki brought, and that's randomness, that I think is why I'm saying it's a hot card. Because, think about playing this, and then you're in Conquest. Dude, you have no idea if they've got a two cost Doctor Doom. Like, that seems stupid! That seems really good. Actually, I'm gonna change my answer to hot. I think she's gonna be a hot card. Alright, that's fair. I'm here for it. Dude, well, let's continue the train, man. And we enter April. And I gotta tell you, dude, I think this is, I would say that the month Iron Lad came out with like, Tribunal, High Evo, remember that month? That was like, such a good month. This might be like, the greatest month in excitement for me compared to that. Almost close on the year to the date, too. Let's start with, I believe, the Season Pass card. And Baron Zemo, who's like, loved from the Marvel Snap community. This, and by the way, guys, these cards probably have the most likelihood to change, because they're the furthest away. A 4 6, an Iron Lad Statline. On reveal, add the lowest cost card from your opponent's deck. On your side of the board. So already played for you automatically. Hot or not, Alex?
Alexander Coccia:Hot. I like it. Hot. 4 6 stat line, but you're technically going to be grabbing like like a one drop from them. Could be, even if it's Iceman, it's technically a 4 8 stat line. He comes down, does his own reveal. That's pretty annoying. Technically thinning the deck, though. So I like how it's designed. It feels surprisingly balanced. Yeah, it's hot for me. Kozy, what do you think?
Cozy Snap:I think he's not an early turn play. I think you actually try to aim to play this guy later. Because then you have the better potential to get some bigger cards in there, and then you don't in the deck. Like, that's the way that I look at it. A little tough because of location clogging, but yeah, let's just say he pulls a, an Iceman. He's a 4 8. Crossbones, RIP. He's a 4 8.
Alexander Coccia:You just made me realize something. He doesn't necessarily draw, like, a 1 drop. He could draw, like, a 3rd deck if their lowest cost card in their deck is their Lockjaw. Like, it just comes out.
Cozy Snap:Ramp deck. Let's just say that they already have Electro and Wave in hand. You're pulling something. You're pulling something good. And that's what, think about some of the decks nowadays. They're pretty greedy. They're pretty greedy. So I, I would venture to think this guy always has value. If his bar line, even if they take him to a 4 5, right? Which they won't because he's a seasoned pass guard. You know that's how it's going to end up. He's going to be good. We just said it. Iceman, just Iceman. Yeah, it takes up two spots, but he's a 4 8. And that's just the downside. You could keep going up. You could keep going up. You could take important tools from them. Right? Mystique, whatever. Could be a dead play, but you take it from them. And you're milling the deck! Which I think is one of the most underrated aspects. You're thinning it, but you're kind of milling it at the same time. You're saying like,
Alexander Coccia:do this like Baron Yondu type synergy where like you just completely blow up their deck? The Barons! Oh yeah, Baron too? There's multiple Barons! You have Baron Zemo, Baron Mordor, Mordo, I should say,
Cozy Snap:Yondu. Dude, hey, DeckMill, Cable, coming at you, Mantis, don't, don't do it. Yeah, I think, I think Baron's gonna be pretty good though, excited about that one for sure. We both gave him hot. And we're just going to be broken records because this is, I know you've seen this, but oh my God.
Alexander Coccia:Oh, this is the hottest one. This is absolute on fire.
Cozy Snap:Red Hulk. Alex, go ahead and read to the podcast listeners. What are we looking at with the Red Hulk?
Alexander Coccia:Like the variant or what the card looks like. It's a 610. When your opponent ends a turn with unspent energy plus four power, if it's in hand or in play, the variant. is a Hulk that's red, looking menacingly strong. Stronger than the Hulk, these muscles, these Man, this guy does not skip leg day, but he also does not skip arm day either. Oh my gosh, he looks like he can punch a hole
Cozy Snap:through the earth. Strong guy who, man, after this? Good God. Plus four! There's no way There's no way this lands like this, right? I would think even if it was High Evo Hulk, but reversed, it'd be fine. Like, you, you'd get, you know, your own little counter to that, or whatever. This is going to be played. This is a lot like Blob, in my opinion, but also has counter potential, right? So, he will be played in every big card deck, right? So, you name it, it'll be there, whether from Hela to Lockjaw, he's there. But then also, you don't have to run a location changing card to heavily counter. Heavily counter, most likely outside of Leech, these high evo decks as well. This is just a winner, cross the board.
Alexander Coccia:What I like about it too is it, we always talk about how like, having early turns matter is kind of important to Snap. How many people casually skip turn one? Like, they're just like, I don't know, I'll just put one Nebula in the deck and who cares. If you just casually skip turn one, it's a 614 now. It's just, just cause you skipped turn one, right?
Cozy Snap:But all the, yeah, and all the turns, man, like how many times, like even in the surfer deck, you're like, okay, I can afford to play one or, you know, maybe two cards, I have one leftover energy. Dude, that happens all the time. People are gonna be panicked now, just trying to play out their turns and maybe not even have effective play lines because they might fear the Red Hulk, dude. I don't even know. This seems so freaking good, man. And like, what about Taskmaster? Like, just as simple as a RAM Taskmaster play. You have Red Hulk, and now you can do Blob. You do Blob or Red Hulk, followed by Taskmaster.
Alexander Coccia:GG. GG. Yeah, it's an insane amount of power. I was actually just thinking while you were talking, like, how often I will play something like a Zabu on turn 3 if I'm holding like, Shanshi and Darkhawk in my hand, knowing that, okay, I gotta turn 6 play. I know we're working out. I can give up one energy here on turn. Three, or, you know, by playing the Zabu out of turn late, because I just topdecked it or something, and then boom, Red Hulk goes up by four, right? So it's like, it's kinda wild, and like, the problem is, too, is, does Red Hulk, is it gonna have a tell? Like, it doesn't really have a tell. Like, it just hits you by surprise, and you're like, Oh, I skipped those three turns, I didn't play mana efficient, and he comes down huge. Like, he doesn't, like, I don't think, is there like a specific deck that he's gonna be built around?
Cozy Snap:Dude, honestly, I would kind of like that if they gave him the Deadpool thing where, like, you would see this, like, red glow on one of their cards or whatever when they turn in. It's like, so you have an idea, at least, what to expect, right? Because if not, it's like, good luck, man. Good luck. This guy could be in any deck, any single deck, as just a finisher. And you, and like, what, okay, Shadow King? Oh, no, he's only a 10 card now, you know? Like, yeah, it, he scares me. He does scare me in the best way possible. Really, really iconic character too, so I'm glad that he lives up to that. Bye. I don't know, man. Hulk who? Hulk who after this guy comes out. Actually, is he iconic?
Alexander Coccia:I've never heard of Red Hulk before.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, he's pretty big. People, definitely, I mean, he's not like a, you know, a Spider Man kind of big. But he's, people have been waiting for, like, when I've done, like, new card videos. What do you guys want to see? Red Hulk's on there a good amount of the time.
Alexander Coccia:Okay, cool. Yeah, so I guess he's not in the MCU or anything, but probably deep in the comics, which I gotta catch up on still.
Cozy Snap:Dude, so we continue the train of crazy and let's go to, we'll simmer down for a second and we'll go to U. S. Agent, a gent in the USA or a USA gent and guys, he's a two cost six power card ongoing. Negative one power for each of your other cards here. To me, this is kind of like Cole Obsidian, like he, in the sense of like, he's just good stats. Now, definitely skippable. Let's go hot or not.
Alexander Coccia:I'm kinda not. I'm okay. I'm, I'm, I'm US agent here.
Cozy Snap:You know what I think is cool is it gives you a, it gives Soran Shuri some playlines. To avoid Shang Chi like it didn't before. Like, I was thinking like, well, dude, just Lizard. Like, you're missing out on one stat, right? Zero. And obviously, Soran is gonna be this guy's best friend. He can get rid of him. You got a 2 6 right off the board. All day, every day. Fantastic. You know, depending on cards don't feel great, but we have Ebony Maw on those decks. And it's like, if we're running Ebony, why would you not run that? Yeah, that's where I would probably play him. But also, dude, Luke Cage, I mean, you just, all you gotta have is the old Cager, and then he's again, he's just a 2 6, man. Put him and Lizard in the same deck, maybe Sarah?
Alexander Coccia:You're starting to sell me on it now. My first impression was kinda negative, and now you're like, you know what, this is actually not that bad. Luke Cage just got buffed
Cozy Snap:up. 2 6, man. It's not a bad stat line. I'll take that all day, right? So, it's especially if you play him, and your opponent's thinking it's going down, down, down. And then you slam on the loot cage at the end. I love things like that, that they like come back with
Alexander Coccia:power. What's funny too, is I just finished saying how I don't know who Red Hulk is, but when this came on the screen, I was doing like one of those, like Leonardo DiCaprio, like point to the camera things. Because like, I just finished watching the Falcon and the Winter Soldier and US agents in there.
Cozy Snap:Well, that's the theme. Yeah, yeah. That's the theme around a lot of these cards, right? Like Zemo, obviously, and yeah, a little nice, nice job, Alex. Look at you, you Marvel, Marvel fandom, come paying off here. But yeah, USAJ, I think he's cool. I think he has some synergy there. We'll go with Zero. We'll go with their style of decks. Definitely reminds me, like, there's, people are going to get them or not. Like, if they play the archetype or not. It depends on how good a spotlight week is. But hey, let's go ahead. Let's keep going down Busted Avenue. And we have to go to White. Oh my god, White Widow. If I was ever more certain that a card is not going to make it, it's this one right here. This card will not make it. There's no way. It's a 2 2, listeners. On reveal, you add a negative one power Widow's Kiss, not Bite, but Kiss, to your opponent's side of the board. And if you want to know, let's go ahead and pull up. What does a Widow's Kiss do, Alex? Well, a Widow's Kiss Is a 1 negative 1. Ongoing, your other cards here have negative 1 power, so much better in some regards than a Widow's Bite. Good god, hot or not.
Alexander Coccia:This is insanely hot. It has to be a placeholder. There's no way it releases like this. This is absolutely cracked. But then again, like, they just don't play it, I guess, right?
Cozy Snap:It adds it to their side of the board! They have to!
Alexander Coccia:Wait, it's not in their hand?
Cozy Snap:No, it goes dude
Alexander Coccia:did I misread that? I was assuming it was like the Widow's Bite.
Cozy Snap:This is what's so dumb about this card, right? Okay, let's just not even worry about bounce bouncing this thing back multiple times. You play it, you get two stats, you, in turn, clog a side of their board, give all their cards negative one, rip Cerebro even more. There's nothing they can do about it. And imagine doing this over and over, balancing and all that stuff.
Alexander Coccia:I totally misread the text. I had this like black widow vision in my head. Like it goes to their hand stuffs it. And they like, they, it makes way more sense the way you've described it, obviously. That's actually, it is cracked, isn't it? Like the amount of stats that it can output is crazy. I mean, are we seeing this power inflation on. Two costs of like U. S. Agents of 2 6 with upside or downside kind of, but we can work with that. I mean, this card here is a 2 2. You can negatively impact three cards in their location with negative one. So it's effectively what, 3 5 while taking up a slot? It's pretty cracked, but it's not that crazy, is it?
Cozy Snap:It's because the ability to take up a spot. I mean, how good is that, dude? You know how well that is and how crazy that is and the fact that you can multiply and do it over and over. Playing it on curve for two is what I love. I love it. I don't see it lasting in two. I think that's what I think they're gonna change. I think she meets up with Black Widow and goes up to three, but We don't know. We'll have to see. I just don't think it lands quite at these stats. Is then Green Goblin is way worse? I, kind of, in my opinion. I, I don't know. We'll have to see, ultimately, the home for White Widow, but clearly a stupid, stupid upcoming good card, Alex. Next, Red Guardian, and this is kind of really fun to talk about. Red Guardian's a 3 cost, 4 power card. On reveal, remove the text of the lowest power enemy card where you play the Red Guardian. Hot or not?
Alexander Coccia:I'm towards not. I feel like it'd have to be a little more power to do that, cause like, I don't know man, there's a lot of cards you don't really care about taking the text off of an on reveal, like, you know, Iceman, like it doesn't really, or Spider Ham, like it's like, okay, whatever, and I don't know, for me, you can't even on reveal it on like a Cosmo or something, cause it's an on reveal card, right? So it's like, For me, it's a nod. I'm gonna go with nod here. Oh
Cozy Snap:man, tech cards, I feel like, are always the toughest to, like, assign, like, where you think they're gonna fit in. And, I love the idea of getting a 3 cost tech card, because we have, like, Rogue and Cosmo, but like, that's it, you know, a lot of them in the 4 cost range. I feel like the games he can swing, though Is pretty nice. I think the idea of Iron Man lock jaw Dracula, like Deadpool early on, like, you just stop him. You kill the, the card is dead. You dead space it, right? So the, the problem is, as always, right, you have to play'em right. So you're giving up a turn of yours to do that. However. He could be a big key. I almost would like him in Shadow King's area, like a 2 2. I almost like that better for him. I don't know if he lasts this way, right? But also, like, we've seen this song and dance. These cards usually don't perform as we expect them to. We always think of the best things about it, but then in paper, it just doesn't work out.
Alexander Coccia:And, okay, I don't want to dive back into the lore again, but I have to, because this is two back to back cards that kind of reminded me of this. Is this, is the Red Guardian, so is this like Black Widow's adopted father? And White Widow is her sister, adopted sister, from the movie Black Widow? And this is the guy who played the cop from stranger Things?
Cozy Snap:Yes, from Stranger, yep, you're exactly right, that is Red Guardian. I'll be if we don't get a variant of that, man. There's some like, and Baron Zemo. Both of those, there's some really good variants, but if we get the club dancing Zemo, I'm, it's over. Like, I'm like, I'll buy that for no matter how much, but yes, you are correct. I thought Black Widow was actually a pretty good movie. People, people tended not to like it. I thought it was good. I thought it had a lot of different emotion. Have you seen it? Yeah, I did see it. I thought it was pretty cool. Yeah, it was good. Overall, I re watched it in 3D. It was fun. So definitely, Red Guardian, we'll see where it places. I think we're pro we're probably both around not. But, it has potential. A lot of potential. Yeah. Alright, last up, Alex. Last up. And this, oh. This might be like the cozy pick because of just the way that she works out. You know I'm all about combo potential and just playing these style of decks. Valentina, oh my god, I get excited about this card, 2 cost, 2 power. On reveal, add a random 6 cost card to your hand, and you're gonna give that negative 2 cost, so it's a 4 cost, and negative 2 power. Hot or not?
Alexander Coccia:I lean towards probably not. I mean, I can see why this would be hype but like I don't know, man. It's a 2 2 and there's a whole bunch of six drops. You're like, man, I kind of don't really want this. Like what the hell am I doing with the hella? You know what I mean? It's like, there are some misses there, but then again, you get a Giganto. It's a four cost, you know, whatever 12 that goes in the left location. You can probably manage that. Like there ain't nothing wrong with that, but like then you have the onslaughts and some others like. Sixes are high impact, but they're also very niche to some degree. There's some bangers, like, you'll never cry about a Magneto, you'll never cry about Doctor Doom, of course. But still, I don't know. It's like, that randomness. I don't know if you could ever really count on it.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, I mean, first of all, getting access to the potential of some six cost cards, like getting a Galactus for four, getting a Doctor Doom, we can pull them up in a second. I think there's probably better hitters than there's not hitters. But, the thing is, dude, you're not even giving up much. You're giving up turn 2 for a 2 2 play, so okay, not a big deal. I think, for me, this fits in perfect with Loki and Collector. So, you have this card that you could play on 4 and Loki could be played on 5. You could take mass effect with this card. You help your Collector out as well. So, you either get like, it's kind of like the raft, right? Like, you either get something that really helps you out, or you don't. But, at the same time, Quinjet could make it a A 3 cost card? I can't even process that. And then you could Grand Master it, you could get a couple of these rolling, and then you kind of help your luck out a bit more. I don't know, man. I don't know. I think that, yes, there is a lot of, There's a lot of cards in this 6 cost area that are maybe not the best, but like, here, let's go ahead and pull it up for the viewers here. I mean, Arnim, Zola, Blob, Noel, Alioth, all those are great. Leader would be fine to get. Dr. Doom, the top rope, right? Galactus. Onslaught, you're telling me you'd be mad about. But let's say, what do you not want, I guess, is easier. Living Tribunal and a lot of decks is a bummer. Maybe Hela. I don't think Agatha, I don't think she'll be in here.
Alexander Coccia:Agatha's probably not part of the random roll, yeah.
Cozy Snap:But what else, you know? Like, what else are you super mad that you got? I suppose an Infinite. But Destroyer. Yeah, Destroyer's up there for sure, but even if it's turn three, dude, if you get a Destroyer and you had a Quinjet down, you just play Destroyer down for the stat sting.
Alexander Coccia:It's true, maybe you skip turn one because you don't care about Red Red Hulk, and then you just play turn two Valentina into turn three Destroyer who actually cares, right?
Cozy Snap:That's fair. Or even the Infinite's like 18 power, you skip a turn, but you can play him on turn four or five like, oh god, you know, like, I don't know I think there's a lot of great cards that fall in line here. Orca, I don't know, Scar? It could be cheaper. She Hulk, you can skip turns to help out. I also would pair this up with Luke Cage almost all the time just to get rid of that negative power effect. But Valentina, all these cards encourage very unique deck building and I think this one might be one of my most excitement.
Alexander Coccia:It's pretty cool. It is pretty cool. And I like how it's like similar to Mirage with some different flavor. Yeah. I like that. Right? Like Mirage provides the scouting. You obviously don't get the scouting here. Mirage's card is probably going to be more playable. I don't want to say more playable, but you know, you're taking it from their deck, it gets the plus two. Hey, Mirage and Valentina are kind of interesting to think about, right? Yeah. Like, who would you rather have? Like, you just want a Hyrule Valentina, I guess.
Cozy Snap:I mean, I, for me, I feel like the collector needs to be looked at a little bit, right? Because we just had the Loki really kind of took him back down. So, I love the idea of both of those in the same engine, just working together to help your collector out. But yeah, it, she brings just a lot of upside potential, and, and with Hope Summers, and this, and even Corvus, we're starting to see, they want us to kind of fiddle with some of these bigger cards at a cost, if you will, right? Whether that's discarding your reliable hand, whether it's giving it negative power and taking up turn two. I don't know, Valentina though, very exciting. So that's, that is all the cards coming out, dude. Pick your number one, most excited. And the best. Red Hulk, easy. It's Red Hulk. It has to be. Both excitement and best, is Red Hulk for you?
Alexander Coccia:I don't know. Is Red Hulk exciting? Right? Is Red Hulk exciting? That's the question. It's definitely good. I mean, I think exciting is going to be Hope Somers.
Cozy Snap:Yeah. Hope or Baron for me. I think Zemo has a lot of fun, like crazy potential. Yeah, yeah. Best, Red Hulk just can't flop. So much so that he doesn't release as such.
Alexander Coccia:I think they could risk releasing him like that, cause like, the way you tune him is easy, like, those are OTA changes, like, you could almost high roll him, but like, Hope Summers, I think, is a trickier one.
Cozy Snap:God, dude, Blob's gonna be massive. I feel like Blob, on that note, Blob's change was really healthy. Like, Blob ends up, like, being a 20, a lot of the times, I feel like, but he's been fine for me. Have you played Blob lately?
Alexander Coccia:No, I haven't been playing much Blob, but I've been playing a hell of Darkhawk, and I don't see Blob very often anymore.
Cozy Snap:Well, dude, that's good for you then, I guess, right? Well, let's go ahead and Go to our last subject, man, and that is going to be to change the content patch. Now go ahead and kick us off. I don't know, man. I was a little, I was a little let down from the content patch, man, in a pretty massive way. How about yourself?
Alexander Coccia:I was actually super disappointed. I don't want to sound like, kind of like, you know, disgruntled or anything, but like, I was kind of hoping for like the pickable borders or something from the from the kind of roadmap, right? Like I, I, we talked about it, how the most exciting thing about patches is not for me the balance changes, right? And we'll talk about those, but ultimately it's the improvements that they make to the game. Those actual fundamental changes that make Marvel Snap better. That was what I was excited for, we didn't get those. In their defense, this patch was probably worked on during like, the Christmas era? Yes. So like they probably had a more like restrictive schedule. So hopefully next month we get some major changes on those on the game and with the, the roadmap.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, I think this was the first time we got a roadmap and the next following month wasn't like at least something from there, you know? And I think that's where a lot of the disappointment went or whatever, but also like it got delayed, but I think there's times where we just have to move the patch and maybe allow a little bit more to go in there because I know they lock it in early, but when you have the OTA, then you have two new cars and you have the patch, there's just so much going on. That, like, could we have handled a bigger patch? Like, I don't know. Would have been a lot to go on, but definitely wanted some kind of features in there. At least something, right? And, or some, like, radical changes. I will say the quality of the changes all feel pretty nice. We can go ahead and start there, bud. And let's go ahead and kick the subject off. What I would say is easily the most exciting of, like, what the player base would think. And that's Omega Red, right? Talk about a dead, dead card. I don't know how many times me and you have talked about him not really doing much for Marvel Snap. And now we got a, essentially, a god, we finally have that alternative to Ms. Marvel, dude. I love Omega Red.
Alexander Coccia:Oh, he's a super good card. And I've been trying to figure out like an Omega Red, like Spectrum Wong style deck with Sabu and all this stuff. Like, I always go like as greedy as possible. I got, listen, I just finished my collection with Howard the Duck. He's an ongoing card that loves getting Spectrum buffed, right? So I'm like, how do we, how do you not play him? How do you not go with that kind of deck? And but I've been seeing some really creative uses for Omega Red. I like the fact that you're just winning the location, but talk about, this has got to be one of the biggest buffs in Snaps history, like going from plus four, you have to be winning by 10 to just win it all for plus three. Are you kidding me?
Cozy Snap:By 10, dude, that's so hard to accomplish, like in Unreal accomplished, all you have to do now is win it. Like. That's it, and you're able to now, it gives you a boost against flooded decks, right, or like controlled decks, it gives you a boost for those decks. I agree. I think I try to make him work in a lot of like, like, how can I make Omega Red as crazy as possible? The neat part is you don't have to. You just put him in like Ms. Marvel. He can work in any of those decks. In most decks, I actually like him more than Ms. Marvel because you're able to adjust your plan a little bit. Ms. Marvel still does her job so good. But both of them together, man, Zabu card. God, he's, he's, he's on another level now.
Alexander Coccia:So what you're saying is power creep on Ms. Marvel. Great.
Cozy Snap:Daaah, Nash! Dude, she's so good too, like, it's crazy. I, I feel like it's like, I saw him being played in Tribunal a little bit, which is fine and, and dandy, but I think overall, just like, putting him into decks just to like, Anything, man, any deck. I mean, put them in a sherry deck for Pete's sake, and you just know you're gonna win a lane. Decks where you know you can win at least one lane is where I like them. Even Galactus players are trying them out, dude.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, the thing that's beautiful about this card that a lot of people just don't really appreciate is how it's pure power. I was just like, oh, that's a sanctorum. Oh, that's a negative zone. Oh, that's like, whatever. It doesn't matter what it is. He says, hello, Luke's bar. There's so many circumstances where like there's locations that are tricky to get into or like again, negative zone and
Cozy Snap:all of them. So many, so many.
Alexander Coccia:Tons. Altar of Death, another one that can be tricky to play into, unless you're one of the billions of players that play Destroy, non stop. Why does every Destroy player I play against lately have just a full gold deck?
Cozy Snap:Yeah, it's because they full commit, dude. There's some serious Destroy believers out there, eh? They full commit, but you are right, like, just his utility of adding to those is what makes him so crazy. By far the, one of the better cards in Snap, like, straight up, just one of the better cards in Snap.
Alexander Coccia:On that note though, I gotta bring something up, and this is big sad, what do we do about, like, Klaue? Like, I feel like this has to be Power Creep on Klaue. Klaue feels so unbelievably bad compared. Like, isn't it though? Like, doesn't Klaue feel like he needs something, or what?
Cozy Snap:Especially since he can only go one direction, like, it's like, good god, it just feels, like, Klaue has like two decks that work, one of which is actually doing okay now in lockdown, but you're right, it is. It is a bit kind of getting into Klaus territory as a five, five, six man, right? It, it, it's gotta, or no, sorry, five, four, it's got five, four, five, six, five, six all day. Yeah. Same here. I think make them like spider woman like one or five, 11, five, 12, but you can only go into that one lane. It's fine with me. Like I, I'll take that all day.
Alexander Coccia:I feel like they should change plausibility to make him like Cyclops, except he randomly shoots one card on the board for negative two with his arm, like pew. You know, it's like, like he's, he's like a villain who uses his arm to shoot. Okay. I, I like the, like the flavor of the plus six power on the right side, but I feel like he should have this cyclops effect where at the end of every turn he just shoots a random, he gets to use the arm for negative two or something, you know?
Cozy Snap:Okay. Alright. Take notes. Devs from Alex Coach's wishlist. I like it. I like it. Let's. Let's go to a Helicarrier though, man. Helicarrier 610, did you get to dabble with the Carrier at all, man?
Alexander Coccia:You know what, man? I've been so busy this week with everything else, I've actually not had a chance to play Helicarrier yet. I hate to say it, I want him so bad, I have not had a chance to play him yet.
Cozy Snap:There's a lot happening. Mega Red obviously got a lot of our attention and then we had all the new cards. Carrier's working where we thought it would. I think it's going to be even better with Corvus and, and the discard. I mean, dude, we were just talking about Corvus's potential and how having what Proxima Midnight brings is more cards that you want to discard. And here is one, flat out, no question. We're seeing it put into some decks. It does prevent you from drawing, but people don't understand, guys. Like, once you have CoinJet out there, there's so many things you could do with this card. And, or you're playing it towards the end of the game, most of the time. Yeah, dude, I like the change. I think this definitely gave it an identity, and it definitely is going to work in these collector discard decks more often.
Alexander Coccia:It kind of goes back to what you were saying before, how like, we got so many changes, like, did this patch have to drop when it did? Like, I literally play this game, like, it's my job. And I didn't have enough time to play Helicarrier because there's so much going on. It's like, it's kind of crazy to think about that out loud. Also one of the absolute best Dan Hit variants on the market, I would say, just absolute, just 10 out of 10. But yeah, Helicarrier does look like it has some serious potential. You're right. It's funny because like Corvus Glaive and the other discard package cards could potentially benefit from that. Right. So it'd be interesting to see how it shapes up.
Cozy Snap:Well, we've got Beast as our last one. He got nerfed and or buffed as some people would like to look at it. You know, it's so funny, man. Leave it up. I, like, I get my popcorn ready when I release OTA videos because I'm like, here we go. Let's see what the comment section has to say. When Beast was changed to a 3 cost, the community deemed him dead. Dead in the water. He was never going anywhere and since then we've had adjustments to him and now he's back to a 2 2. I think after playtesting a ton of Bounce, not in every Bounce deck, but in a good amount of them, this is actually where he wants to be.
Alexander Coccia:He's totally fine. Yeah, at first I was like, this might be a pretty heavy hand to nerf. I'm like, you know what though, Bounce likes when like, cards can slide in when you want them to. And that negative one energy kind of allows you to do that. I think he's totally fine. But what I really think the actual reason for this change is it has to be breathing room for black Swan. Yeah. Like I don't, I don't care what anyone says. This is breathing room for black Swan, because if you play beast and all those one drops are zero anyways, and they're always just going to be zero. Black Swan is effectively useless. So I feel like make beast one energy down, give it the ability to slot into decks for a little bit of an extra, like a, you know, timely bounce. But it also gives the viability of using Black Swan in the same decks. They were stepping on each other's toes 100%, so I think this changes precisely for that reason.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, especially if she was gonna be a 2 3, like, that would have had no shot. No shot. But yeah, if you haven't tried out Beast definitely, you know, get into balance. Now's the right time. All right, we're gonna end it, Alex, with your prediction. I want you to pick a couple of cards on each. Let's go buff, then nerf. And when it comes to, like, nerf, we're not telling them they need to nerf these cards. These are more of just what we think could happen in general. Alex, there's a lot to pick from as far as, like, OTA candidates, right? And typically, like, we can't do changing of abilities. So, like, Captain America, of course I want, but, like, he's not gonna be in an OTA. The they might emergency fix Elsa. They've been pointing to it, and I think after the Luke Cage one and how well that went, there's no reason to not give Elsa back love. Maybe they do the emergency fix there. I do predict that being either now or in March's balance patch. But I kind of want to see, hear me out, Jean Grey get at least a power point. I want to see her get one power point, and that's bare minimum. Right? Like, doesn't it feel like she could use a little love?
Alexander Coccia:It's funny you bring up Jean Grey, because I just finished having this thought about Jean Grey, and I'm like, I bet you this is one of those cards that's better than we appreciate. I bet you in the right shells, if we like, as a community, really committed to Jean Grey hard, I bet you we could figure out a really good shell. I'm not saying tier 1, but I bet you she could fit in a tier 2 deck. I bet you she could, the effect is that strong.
Cozy Snap:She's definitely one that I continually try to make decks with, and there are times where it just feels weird, it just feels awkward. It mainly, like, because it's for both of you guys, I just, 3 3, it seems low. It just seems low for the effects she's providing, like, I get it, it's restricting and it can straight up win you games. But, I do think this is one where if she was a 3 4, nobody would bat an eye.
Alexander Coccia:No, you're right. It's like, it's a free power adjustment. Like, it's really a low risk, like, just one extra power to make it a 3 4. You could even argue 3 5, honestly. Like that's, that's a little on the stronger side. But I don't want to talk like I'm a game dev. But I would almost say, make her 3 5. Force people's hands to experiment with her, and then dial her back to 3 4 with an OTA if you have to. You know what I mean? I mean, people will experiment if she's a 3 4 anyway, I guess, but, Like, does she really break the game at 3 5?
Cozy Snap:Yeah, and if, but if Elsa does get buffed in the same patch or something, like, then, That's one of the fall offs of Jean Grey. I was using Jean a ton with Elsa. But then that died, and then like, I was like, okay, Nightcrawler Jeff, you know, it was just different. Whereas like, this could begin to work again if Elsa became better, so that is a good point there. What is a buff candidate for you?
Alexander Coccia:Oh, for me, it has to be White Queen. It has to be. Oh, yeah, you were saying that last week, Dan. White Queen feels totally, totally useless. Like, I don't want to say useless, because like, but like, there's, she's just been power crept on by Loki. And by pretty much everything like I just don't see a deck where you ever really want to run white queen like right now It's just it just doesn't feel right. I bet you she goes to honestly same effect I mean, it's four seven four eight even that bad Like I don't know.
Cozy Snap:Or seven or give her the mirage plus two to the card effect like either or these I think the plus two works because then you like you're getting the Intel and then you have a better card than The card they have, and I like that. I think that's very interesting.
Alexander Coccia:I like that too, yeah. That's better than what I suggested.
Cozy Snap:Well, and it's telegraphed too, like, when you use White Queen, they're not like, unless it's like a ramp deck, they're not like, well, who do they get, right? Like, you know, so you can plan for it, so the only way you can offset that is give it the plus two. I like the pick. Alright, nerf wishlist. It's not a wishlist, it's more of like, this is starting to get dangerously good. What do you think could get hit?
Alexander Coccia:Arrow. Actually, it's got to be destroy still. They, I don't think destroy is done. The change to Hulkbuster, like, yes, I think it took a little bit of the top end off of Deadpool, so it's ironic. It curves better, but it actually accomplished the goal. I'm, I am seeing, seeing smaller Deadpools. However. Honestly, Destroy just is so unbelievably good. And it feels like the baseline archetype of Snap where it's like, okay, if, if Destroy is running 55%, what do we compare everything else? Like, how is that going to compare? But it's above that. Like, it is crushing and I wonder if something has to change at some point.
Cozy Snap:Do you think Zabu continues to survive?
Alexander Coccia:Zabu, I think it stays 2 2 for a bit, but I can see it dropping to a 2 1.
Cozy Snap:Shang Chi?
Alexander Coccia:Oh, it's never being
Cozy Snap:changed. 4 2, I think, is the lowest they could go on it without killing the card all together. Because, like, there's a lot of times you, like, you really need to rely on that power. But I do, I could see them experimenting with 4 2. Both of those cards are the most popular and the most win rated cards in the game. Like, no, no question. My wild guess is a Power Pointer 2 taken away from Hela. I think Hela right now is in an EXTREMELY good spot, where the best players are playing Hela, and also just general ladder. Because now you have Black Knight, you have a lot of different ways to certify Hela. And dude, her win percentage is, like, off the, off the charts, Alex. Off the charts for Hela! For Hela, who's supposed to be kind of like a Mr. Negative in ways. Like fun.
Alexander Coccia:You're absolutely right because if you think about it, hella always had like a, almost like a 49% win rate, like a sub 50% win rate, but a positive cube rate. Right? Because you get those eight cubers, you get the people by surprise and stuff. It has like a 54 to 56% win rate right now. And its cube rate is off the charts. It's way too good. It is way too good.
Cozy Snap:And Black Knight, dude, I tell you what man, when I see them put a Black Knight and get rid of Magneto, I'm like, I'm screwed.'cause you can't. Get rid of the ebony blade. Like, there's nothing you can do to get rid of it, and it's just super tough. The play lines are working out in its favor. It goes wide, it goes tall, it does everything. That's my opinion on how I will have to see. It's not that I want it, but I do foresee it.
Alexander Coccia:Cozy marvel snap It's been a lot of craziness in this past week and I gotta ask you, what has been the deck that you've been playing the most that you think is the spiciest brew you've come up with?
Cozy Snap:Oh my gosh, there's so many super giant ones. I think right now is A Taskmaster Supergiant deck which I think is similar to, like, what you got going on, like, these big power cards snuck out. You have Taskmaster on 5 after Supergiant, and then you play something giant at the end there. Maybe if you're lucky, you can do Infinite with a turn 7. Super fun spicy deck and I did a good chunk of my climbing with it But this season's opened up a ton of like spicy builds if you will.
Alexander Coccia:Oh, there's no no doubt about it that Taskmaster Turn 5 has been one of my favorite synergies with Supergiant. I mean we may as well just dive right into Supergiant if we're already gonna be talking about her But Supergiant was the card released here in the spotlight caches a particularly strong week Supergiant You've got Zabu and Darkhawk, they're series 4 cards Zabu Darkhawk that is, but I, you gotta, you gotta have them in your collection, unbelievable. And you're right, Taskmaster's been one of my favourite uses of Supergiant, and what I like about it, is that with Supergiant and Taskmaster, you're playing it offensively. But you have that defensive fallback where you just might be messing them up as well, which has been one of my favorite things about Supergiant as a whole. When I first started playing Supergiant, when I was trying to approach my deck building, and I'll talk about a deck or two in a second. I was like, okay, we have the defensive play. Like we know why we use like a leech or a Sandman or whatever. We understand those defensive plays. Supergiant has that defensive capability, but I don't feel like it's as reliable as a Sandman. Sandman's effect is very exacting, for instance. However, I was thinking to myself, if we can use Supergiant offensively, that means that the defensive characteristic is just pure gravy. And if you mess up, That Jane job play, if you mess up you know Lady Thor, you mess up their leech or whatever. That's just pure gravy. So I love the Taskmaster. I was playing a deck very similar with Taskmaster. you just play Hulk on turn seven, he's often like 18 power, right? It's kind of crazy what you can do with them. So I've been really, really enjoying Supergiant.
Cozy Snap:Yeah. I mean, this was the card that we both said we had to just play to know how good she was going to be. Ultimately, no one's playing the Dex that she counters hard right now. That's a fool's errand, especially. But that doesn't change at the top of the meta. You have a lot of Leech Dex, Darkhawk, a lot of High Evo. You have a ton of different Sarah Dex. You have a ton of Jane Foster Dex. Those are going to, you know, fall down hard when Supergiant is available to play. But you also have, like, Tribunal, who doesn't give a rip about your Supergiant. It's just gonna play its Iron Man and do its thing. If anything, maybe it helps it a little bit because it protects the Iron Man. So you do have this back and forth. Ultimately, what did you end up on it as the star rating? I think we both gave her about a 33. 5 last week. Where are you at now?
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, we definitely gave her a three for me. She's definitely a four star card. I like her four star. I think she's definitely a lot of fun to play. In terms of like meta aggregate stats, she probably falls closer to a three star. I think she doesn't, she's a little niche. She doesn't have like the wide ranging application that, you know, you'd want in a four or five star card she doesn't fit like. Inherently in any one particular archetype, so she's kind of in this weird limbo, you know what I mean? Like she's in this weird limbo where it's like you kind of don't really know what to do with her yet still But I do I do like the card for me. It's a four I can see meta relevance being a three, but I like the card a lot How about you?
Cozy Snap:And that makes sense because yeah, i'm all about the 0. 5s But in my review, I gave her a 3. 5 with with the release valve of the meta, right? Like she's going to serve as that. I also think that Like, I will play her more than I play Cosmo, is the way that I look at her, which is kind of crazy to think about, like, my play rate of Cosmo right now is, maybe that's more indicative of that. But in general, like, Supergiant, you said that the offense thing, there's not a ton of cards that can benefit offensively from Supergiant, but there are, the ones that you have are almost win conditions in itself. Now, when we say she doesn't deserve an archetype, I think Lockdown's her archetype, bar none. I think that it just works with the deck, to the fullest degree. That's where I've seen the most success, stat wise, as well. Absorbing Man, though? Absorbing Man on turn 5, yeah, you lose a little bit of your, you know, spice. But Absorbing Man on 5, followed with a Doctor Doom on 6, a Leader on 6. I mean, there's some silly combos that you can do. We've seen the Hit Monkey, obviously, as well. That kind of stuff is game winning, but then you're relying on a couple of cards to all hit at once, and that can be tough, right? But dude, yeah, you've definitely had to try a little lockdown with Giant, yeah?
Alexander Coccia:I have been, I have been. And I'm kind of happy that the Alioth, the way Alioth works, it's not as intuitive as I would have expected. Like basically it, so if you have an Absorbing Man behind Supergiant, the Absorbing Man, so Alioth will proc on turn 6, deleting all unrevealed cards from turn 6. However, the Supergiant and then the Absorbing Man will only delete the cards on turn 5. They won't delete all the cards, which I actually think is a kind of strange interaction. I don't, like, I don't quite buy it. You know what I mean?
Cozy Snap:Yeah, but that's her best home. Like, if people want to know, like, the Eli's synergy here, you could, it allows you to afford to play anything on five. Like, you just play whatever you want on five, and then what's great is if you have priority on Supergiant's turn, like when everything plays out, you know you have priority going into turn six, which is very rare to lock that in that early. So then you just play Alioth on 6, wherever that 5 was, and then you accordingly adjust to it. So, it can still be awkward, but Alioth obviously very much loves her. And then you're right. Less archetype specific, more card specific, and I'm sure a lot of our decks are going to highlight that. I know you've been doing a little bit of the you know, because we kind of called her somewhat of an Invisible Woman. Remember? A tiny bit, a bit around that. So I assume you've been doing a little Atuma action?
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, so it's kind of funny. We did kind of hint at the fact that there was potential, like, Invisible Woman style synergy, and I leaned right into it hard, and I developed a deck called, I called Super Invisible, and It is highly susceptible to Alioth. Let's just say right off the bat, if you're playing against an Alioth player, you got to be counting your cues and ready to run. But if it's not an Alioth player and I climbed so fast with this deck basically the deck is Zero, Titania, Ebony Maw. Armor, Invisible Woman, Lizard, Maximus, Gladiator, Supergiant, Atuma, Spider Woman, and Magneto. That's your list? You might have to rewind that. You might have to rewind that list to it again, because that is a hodgepodge of cards.
Cozy Snap:Did you make this? Like, you made this from scratch, this exact list.
Alexander Coccia:I made it from scratch, live on Twitch TV, with a blank slate. I'm like, hey guys, let's do it right now, the Invisible Woman list. And I just, I had an idea in my head, I had like, the basis for it. And buddy, it was so fun to play, for two reasons. One, no one knew what the hell I was doing. Everyone I was playing against was like, bro, what is Like, they could not fathom what was happening on the board. And I was this sounds silly, but while you're ranking up, it matters. Feasting on bots. They were clown snapping because there's no power on the board, right?
Cozy Snap:Dude, that's, that's insane. This is insane. So, very similar. We were close. I had Martyr in there instead of Ebony. Even though you had, I love the Ebony with Invisible Woman. Love it. He scares me whenever I get him, like, too late. I had that. I had Taskmaster in there as well. But this is sick, man. I've seen this. I've seen this out there. The Spider Woman, man. Oh, what a great offense card, man, right? Like, for, for Supergiant.
Alexander Coccia:It's a really fun card to just apply with Supergiant too, but the key thing about it is like, no one really expects you to have behind an invisible woman, Maximus, Titania, like that, just those two cards, that's a lot of power, and they'll be like, ha ha, here's the Cosmo, snap, and I'm like, okay, like, whoa you know what i mean? You Cosmo'd my Maximus, what am I gonna do, and the amazing thing about like, Atuma is the end of game trigger of both Supergiant and the Invisible Woman, making it so Atuma survives. That's 10 power on a 4 drop! Like, it's so good. I had so much fun playing this deck. The Magneto Disruption was just wild. And they would just, I just, people would just be like, I don't, I don't even know what happened to this game. I'm just, I just throw my hands up and give up.
Cozy Snap:I will give you the, dude, what I love about this, right? And this is where it's like the double I love that you have been A part of the Invisible Woman you know, hype train for a while, like in your first tournaments you were doing this Atuma stuff. That was before live, too. Good God, what a world, right? And now it's come, like, full circle. And you got Supergiant to do it as well. I mean, just the stat stick of a Tuma is insane. And guess who can fit right into that list, dude? It's CoolObsidian. I mean, he's just gonna there's already one drops in here. He's gonna he could just sneak on in there, yeah? You're right.
Alexander Coccia:The deck gets better. It just has to, right? That's a great call out of Cull Obsidian. I actually had never thought about that. And I mean, listen. Technically, can you zero Cull Obsidian? Why would you zero Cull Obsidian? But technically, he could absorb the zero hit anyway if you, like, don't want to play zero somewhere else, but Yeah, like, Cull Obsidian could fit in here, but I just really like the idea of being creative. Coming up with a deck that like, honestly, like no one knew what I was doing. And that's like the people listening. That's one of the beautiful, beautiful things about doing it. Like an amazing brew, like get out there, be creative, make a brew. And then when you take it onto the ladder and it's your hot, like spicy sauce, and no one knows what. that what you're doing, you can take people by surprise. You have the advantage when they have no idea what you're doing. And I felt it. I felt it with this brew. It was completely out from left field and it performed it's performing really well. Actually. In fact, it is currently the top performing super giant deck for getting to infinite 90 to a hundred right now.
Cozy Snap:Which is pretty cool. Man, it's beating the lockdown one. I'm gonna, I'm, I'm, I'm blown away. You're, you're a madman. You're, you're the new you're the new Aristotle of deck creation. I think Supergiant is super unique that was terrible. But she brings so much to, like, you don't have to play her. This is what people don't understand. Like, she's so great. She rewards players, in my opinion, kind of like Sarah in the sense of, if you know decks and you know what's being played out there in the meta, Supergiant is that much better. Like, obviously, if you see a Thor, it's pretty telling. Like, alright, throw that down there. But if you know, okay, I'm playing Darkhawk, Leech is probably in here, and you sneak this in. Like, there's so many cards that really benefit here. And yeah, your opponent can change their game plan up, but they were really depending on that Leech, or the Jain, or the Sera. You know, we can continue. So overall, I love Supergiant. I think she's going to be here to stay. And we say all the time, they get better over time, but truly it's more of, as people forget about her, she's going to get a lot better.
Alexander Coccia:There's no doubt about it. This card is going to age like fine wine, as we would like to say here on the podcast and another major synergy, much like Taskmaster is Mystique. Don't sleep on that. Like you can play something like Turn 5 Mystique and something like a Mastermold, Turn 6 Ronin. And she'll pick up on the Ronin, right. Which is pretty cool. So yeah, Taskmaster Mystique, fantastic for setting up power states, especially since like that'll prevent a Shang Chi play, right. It makes it so your Ronin's not sitting there on turn five, waiting to get punched. It's harder to time the Shang Chi on turn six, right. And that takes us. To the black swan. Now, black swan, I can't, Gozy, listen, I'm ready. I was actually really scared to record this pod this week, man.
Cozy Snap:I was nervous, man. So, I was entrenched at work, Ray. Like, I was just trying to survive, and I did a black swan video, and someone commented on it, like, Oh, wow, opposite than Alex's opinion. And I commented, like, no, actually, like, Cause I gave her a 3. 5 overall. And they're like, I was like, actually Alex gave it like a good rating. They're like, oh no, he totally shifted wins on BlackSwan. Which I found out through a comment rather than just talking to you, which I found hilarious. Okay man, yeah, so BlackSwan, I gave her a 4 last week because kind of what I thought. If you have a deck with just 1s or you're relying on HitMonkey, what do you do even with the good value? You were on the five star train, buddy. So where are you now?
Alexander Coccia:So I was on the five star train and then while I was playing it I kind of hung out the window and just let the trees like hit me in the face until I smartened up a little bit It's not a five star card. It's not I you know what man? I got caught caught up in the cost reduction I'm sorry everybody. It is so hard to evaluate cards in advance I still think there might be a Shauna play here. I'm gonna work on that deck. Maybe, maybe she becomes 5 star with Shauna, who knows? But I, ah, man, she's not 5 star.
Cozy Snap:No, no. I mean, we can move on from that. But what is she, what is she then?
Alexander Coccia:I, you know what? Honestly, I think she's currently playing like a 3 star. However, however I think there's gonna be a deck that gets figured out where she's a 4.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, but her stat line's 3 5. That's the thing, like, I've seen people like, Oh, she's terrible, she's not a 3. 5. But guys, she's a 3 5 regardless with no downside. Yes, I get it, it's a deck slot. She's really performing in Thanos. She's performing in Bounce to a good degree as well. There are case scenarios where you could really utilize it. But most of the time, you're like, kinda skipping the energy. It's like, it could just be awkward, like, in general, like, I don't know about you, but I'd like, have a one cost, and I'm like, oh, I could play them both together, but I guess I'll just play Black Swan so I can have it for free, like, It was kind of awkward in that. Zoo in Thanos has had promise. I've seen some promise there, but definitely not 5 stars. I still think she's a good card around 3. 5, though.
Alexander Coccia:You know what, honestly stats wise, she's running 54 percent win rate, positive cube rate of 0. 39, 7 percent of the meta, and compared to something like a Supergiant, Supergiant was precisely 54%, so the same. Slightly higher cube rate on Supergiant at 0. 47. Supergiants double the meta usage at 14 percent. Kind of crazy to think that a spotlight card is outperforming double the play rate of Black Swan a season pass card.
Cozy Snap:Second Dinner and Stitches, they weren't planning on that, I don't think, at all. But for me, man, I've been playing a ton of her in Dracula Dump. The old school classic of just tons of one drops. I don't know about you, but if you're playing Black Swan, you can't just do 2 1 drops. Like, I get it, I get it, you can just have the value, and if you play her, then 0 is technically getting like 3 8 value, whatever. But the decks that truly want to capitalize on the explosion of one cost, I think is where she really shines.
Alexander Coccia:This might sound ridiculous, but when I was experimenting and trying to deck design around Black Swan, I was reminded of Havoc. I know this sounds like a really bizarre comparison, but Havoc was a card you never played on turn 2. And Black Swan is a card you never play on turn three. That's kind of the way it felt the decks were designed. Whereas like Black Swan was essentially Black Swan and Falcon was like a turn five play, just like Havoc was Havoc and Wave so that you can like, you know, then play like a Dr. Doom on the four energy plus a one drop or whatever. And it worked, but like you needed to draw right. You need to like all these extra pieces. I don't know about you Cozy, I never felt confident. Playing Black Swan straight up as a 3 5 on turn 3. Because I, I, I wanted to make some magic happen. I wanted the combo to pop. I wanted to save for the hit monkey. Maybe I was being too greedy. Maybe that's the problem. Maybe we were being too greedy.
Cozy Snap:No, I mean, I think Dex being greedy with not having enough 1 cost is probably where that came from. What I thought of, and you are correct, you don't want to play here on 3 if you're Hitmonkey, because you just want to go off of the giant. You want to combine Mysterio with Hitmonkey, and then you do the giant pop off. That's typically what you want to do. And it's kind of smarter, because you have more time to evaluate the board and where you need to drop the monkey. Like, that's obviously really important. But yeah, a good chunk of the time, it's like, what are you playing on 4? You know, it's just kind of a weird feeling in general and just didn't always seamlessly work together. I tried it in just about everything. I didn't try it in high evo. You play a ton of that archetype. Did you play her in high evo? Did you, did you try the sunspot, nebula, misty night? I thought maybe there?
Alexander Coccia:No, I didn't. I did not try in high evo, but I don't imagine it'd be great there because I think those cards you want out on curve, you never want to hold them back and you never really want to bounce them because if you're floating energy, you want their effects to be popping. Yeah, so I don't know if Swan's good there. I just, Swan's been kind of difficult to place. It's funny that like I gotta be honest, I didn't think Black Swan was going to be great in Thanos. Like, I was like, why do you need to make the stones for you? But honestly, one of the absolute top performing Thanos decks right now, we'll read through it. Jeff, Lockjaw, Caiera, Black Swan, there she is. Shanqi, Supergiant, that's Supergiant deck too. Devil, Dinosaur, Vision, Blob, Thanos, Scar, Magneto. So, you switch out a couple cards, get a little greedier with Black Swan and Supergiant, and you got yourself a banger list. One of the top performing Thanos decks, so she's doing the job.
Cozy Snap:I think the review though I gave on here was like, yeah, she's doing her job, but also, Bounce and Thanos were the two lists where she's in the most. Both of those lists do not need her. Like, at the end of the day, they don't need her. And that, truly, just highlights the card, right? Like, Supergiant, no one's doing what she does, man. No one's doing what she does. Those decks don't need her, and that's where the problem is. We don't have a deck right now, maybe Dracula Dump, but like, that's like, you have to have Black Swan to get the most effective gameplay. There's not another card that can do this.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, and one thing worth mentioning too is like, this kind of has like a Ravonna feel to it, where it's like, just like we said with Ravonna and with Darkhawk, and I mean even to some extent Silver Surfer, every single one drop that comes out. Right. You evaluate on how does it work with Black Swan? Will Black Swan have a, you know, kind of an impact on it? And technically 10 years from now, Black Swan has to be better than it is now because there's going to be more one drops that it can be providing synergy with, right? And I still think, I still think there's a potential for Shawna. I still think there's some untapped potential here. It's still very early, but honestly, the card is performing. The win rates are good. But I think it's because, just as you said, Cozy, it was being added to shells that were already performing.
Cozy Snap:They didn't need Black Swan. It's like Scar. Scar had a similar thing, where it's like, Oh, let's try to make Scar work in here. And it's like, well, why? He already did good. Sure, he already did good. Whatever, right? And that's what it reminds me of. But also, like, I just want to remind people, like, dude, every card doesn't need to be broken, right? So, like, I'm, for one, glad she's not a 5 5 star, right? Like, she's not the best card. She's good. She's a great card. You know, people don't have that immense level of FOMO if they can't get her. Because, ultimately, right now, she's replaceable.
Alexander Coccia:It kind of reminds me of what it felt like with Loki, right? We were so pleasantly surprised with Loki and how powerful it was. And then, like, within, like, two days, we're like, This card's so good! This card's so good! It's all I'm seeing. It's all I'm seeing. Hi, Evo. It's like, you know what I mean?
Cozy Snap:It's like, so sad. Yeah, we've seen that in the past, right? Like, people get so hyped up about a card, only to hate it like a week later. And in Black Swan, you know, surely is not gonna have that effect. But it was really cool. It was, you know, we only get a couple of these where two cards come out. It's always at the beginning of the season. These are a really fun 1 and 2, right? Like Hope Summers is the next one, so I don't know what comes out with that, but like, I, I, I love how diverse the beginning of the season is now with the double drop.
Alexander Coccia:It is super diverse, and you add the patch changes and everything else, so a lot to talk about. 5 star rating Cozy, what do you think?
Cozy Snap:Yeah, it's like 3. 5. I, you gotta give her good, I mean she has a 3. 5 stat line, I can't get mad about it. So I give her like an edge over 3 star, but she's not like transcendent.
Alexander Coccia:Okay. And I think that's going to take us to our top 10 one cost cards. I mean, hey, Black Swan loves one cost cards. So naturally it's the time that we got to talk about the one cost cards. Now, Cozy and I actually did a combined list here. Usually we go back and forth. We're going to try something a little different here. I'm going to be honest with you Cozy, we were pretty similar. I think you swapped just a couple places here and there. I'm not surprised with a couple that he changed, but we'll get into that there. But I think I'm actually really looking forward to this for the most part. We agreed. with these cards.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, for sure. There's definitely ones that stand out more than others and it's it's always tough ranking them in scenarios. Cause you like to think of the deck, not the card, right? Like, well, that card is amazing in that deck, but like, what is it doing? Like what, you know, what does it perform in the deck? But. Let's get it started, man. What do we got?
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, let's start with our honourable mentions. Let's go through the couple of honourable mentions here that we love but didn't make the list. Not in the top ten for me. I have to share some love. It has to be Misty Knight. Listen, I know Misty Knight's not sexy. It's not flashy. I mean, that variant might be sexy, but what I mean is that, like, there's nothing insane about Misty Knight on paper, but I'm telling you, if you don't believe me, go deep into the stats. She makes High Evo better. Just straight up. This card gives a deceptive amount of power, a deceptive amount of reach. It is very good. It is understated for how good this card does. It doesn't make the top 10 cause it's a one trick pony, but it's good in that deck.
Cozy Snap:No question about it. What other honorable mentions do we have? If I
Alexander Coccia:have to go with one last one for me, and I'm going to give you space for one too I, can I just say Echo? Still love Echo. It was a little hotter with the Ms. Marvel play, right? Maybe Omega Red making a bit of a comeback, but Omega Red's not as easy to predict its location as Ms. Marvel is. You could throw Echo mid. I still love Echo, but I do think that She's a little fallen off a little bit considering the the circumstances around Ms. Marvel getting nerfed and Omega Red having a resurgence, but I still love, I still love Echo.
Cozy Snap:I was shocked that you had Echo out of yours, and I was like, alright, cause Echo was like your darling for a while there. You know, it's funny, mine is going to be my, I got two, Quinjet would be on mine. Now, it's here. Now, when we have Valentino, we have a couple cards coming out, right? The more times we get these kind of cards coming out, Quinjet, you know, is going to reap the benefit. I kind of feel like Quinjet on one is fantastic. Anywhere else is kind of and it's tough to find its place in footing. Especially with cards like Zabu just dominating that role or Ravonna dominating that role so much. Definitely a card I love, but kind of falls out of the top 10. Also just like a shout out to like, the Zeros, you know? So like, between Zero, Mar honestly 1 5 has been great for Martyr. I've been loving that. And Titani to a degree. I probably wouldn't put Titani in my top, top list. But tho these two, kind of just been working in their deck well, you you know. Zero's finding his place again in those style of decks. Let's get to the the the actual top 10, though, man. I think people might be surprised with some of the list.
Alexander Coccia:Number 10, as elected by Cozy and Alex, is Iceman. Iceman, I think, is coming back in full fashion here, because, I mean, listen, a lot of people are making very tight decks. They're, they're trying to make sure that they're hitting specific markers, energy wise, power wise, combo wise, and you know what says no? Iceman says no. Add him to a balanced shell and you got a major problem on your hands as he bounces back and forth. I mean, one of the most irritating cards in Snap. But only for your opponent.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, dude, I've seen people try to take him out of the bounce list, and I'm like, guys, you will find out quickly how good Iceman is, especially when you can play him twice, three times in some cases, and, and definitely is the unsung hero, because you don't get to see what he's doing, but definitely insane.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, if you could see what he was hitting, you'd be like, Oh, I just hit their Sarah, that's unbelievable, snap. Or like, Oh, I hit their Modok, snap. Like, you are doing damage. Like, you're doing an immense amount of damage. Even if they're playing a Zabu based deck, and you hit their Darkhawk, all of a sudden they can't Darkhawk on turn six with Shawn Chi. You know what I mean? Like, it is detrimental.
Cozy Snap:I'm sure we'll talk about the, the Bacon here coming up, but if he was a 1 1 with that effect where you could see what you hit, he would be one of the best 1 cost cards in the game.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, I think there's some significant like, placebo effect, I don't know if that's the right word, where people just, you're not appreciating what you're doing because you just don't see the effect, right? But regardless, Iceman at number 10. Did you just talk about Ham Cozy? Did you talk about Ham? What do we, what do we got at number 9?
Cozy Snap:Spider Ham, right after the Iceman, who maybe a lot of people might have thought this could have gone much higher, and there are games! Where it can, right? There are games, like, no question about it. It is one you, the game. And then there are others where you're like, okay, great. That, that doesn't do all too much. I, I would probably have Spider Ham a little higher in Conquest 2, rather than just, like, general ladder play, if that speaks for something. But, but you gotta love, you gotta love Ham's flexibility. And just overall, where it can work, and it's important in every metagame. I'm actually second questioning, like, if it could go higher, because it is almost that important, depending on, you know what's floating out there in the meta.
Alexander Coccia:You know what, looking at our list, he could even rise like two higher, honestly. And maybe that's a discussion we have at the end of our top 10, but like, listen, I love Spider Ham as much as Spider Ham loves potatoes, because like, listen, it's funny. You had to sell me on Spider Ham. I was off the Spider Ham train for a while. And you're like, no, Alex, this, this card's cracked. You were one of the first believers back at 1 1. When it got nerfed to 1 1, everyone just slept on it. It was like, nah, this card sucks now. And you were like one of the very first to be like, wait a minute, guys. I think this card still might be good. And here we are talking about it as one of the best one drops in the game. And it's, it was part of my Zaboo Ray Bill shell. It's been part of a lot of Lockjaw based decks and you're right in Conquest. It's filthy. And you know what, when I'm playing against someone, they're playing Spider Ham, I feel. Just agitated because you know, they're always hitting the thing. You don't want them to hit. Right. Why is Sarah always on the left side of your hand? Well, because it's an expensive card sitting and you're not playing it and it falls to the left. I do like Sputterham a lot.
Cozy Snap:It's a good call. Next up on the list. We've got the hood who is at a just has always been at a good spot and snap or a, like, The Demon play and being able to capitalize on that. Annihilus obviously skyrocketed his value in general. You can Bastem, you can Viper if anyone's still playing that card and or just destroy him. And he has that low key kind of one in a million chance to win you bar with no name just outright. Which is always like one of the most fun things to do with him. Yeah dude, listen, a 1 6 Demon. Sign me up. All about it.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah. Hood's had a major resurgence because thing, obviously Annihilus is huge too, right? And a lot of the bounce decks love bouncing the hood back, getting multiple demons. And then the other side to that as well is like, you even seeing some Bast, Bast is making a bit of a comeback here and there. And obviously Basting a hood is just a massive power swing. And then you get like, you know, getting a little inebriated, you end up Basting your demon. That feels bad. I've done that before. Every time. Right. But again, it's one of the benefits of playing bounce decks, right? You just bounce your demon back and then. Bastard, right? But I do agree. Hood is in a great spot right now. And it's one of the best packages in the three card package in the game. Hood, Sentry, Annihilus. You can add that to almost anything and honestly it performs so very worthy of our number eight spot.
Cozy Snap:And at number seven, then Alex, we've got Forge, buddy. Good old Forge. And listen, Forge is what he was when he came out, but he's won less. And really talk about. Just putting them in any deck and making it work, right? Like there's most cards in the game can benefit with the power and then some cards can really benefit with the power. I don't know if you've just done something as simple as like Forge Gladiator, but good God, it's like, it just works together. The old days of the Forge and Brood, Forge and Deadpool. He's, he's located in a lot of the lists and that reason alone, we could not leave him too much lower than that. Forge is just a superstar, man.
Alexander Coccia:Without question, one of the superstars of Marvel Snap right now. And obviously every single Bounceless is gonna use him because he just generates so much value. Allows him to get so vertical. And there's another card that can get surprisingly vertical at number six on this list. And it's a card that got recently buffed heavily, but not itself. Its effect got buffed significantly, and that is the Black Knight. Black Knight coming in at number six for Kozy and I. Talk about one of the most elegant and honestly heavy handed buffs we've seen in a while. That Ebony Blade feels completely unstoppable. The targeted discard effects of Blade, Sif, and others have really elevated Block Knight and that particularly particular shell of discard as a whole. Honestly, love this card, love what it's been doing. It's fallen down in win rate slightly since it's kind of major kind of take off earlier last season, but it's still phenomenal.
Cozy Snap:Because it's getting involved in Hella. I think mainly, you know, you still got a little bit of that chaos in there, but I think if we were to just talk about one cost cards in decks that have, like, the biggest performance, it's Black Knight. Like, he's such a difference maker. The Ebony Blade is so ridiculous. But, you gotta have a lot of things kind of go right. Not necessarily everything, but there are some times where BlackKnight is virtually, you know, not doing his job correctly. But for one drop, for what he does, I love it. And I would actually like to see more of this style of card. Where you place something on one, and then something has to happen, and then you get a card in return. I think that's such a cool aspect, and I would love to see that outside of just the discard archetype. Next up, Alex, though, we've got another card that could be discarded, but you don't do it half the time. We've got X23, and I gotta say, man, there's no point in playing Destroy these days if you're not including X23, just because of the significant impact that she has getting into locations that are closed down, ramping you up continuously. Allowing you to just have access to destroy more, but to also play more. And then we even see her in lists with that, that run, you know, the, the craziness of like Silver Samurai. We've seen that, we've seen that with Doc in play too. X23 and her sheer importance to destroy. It's just too crazy to pass up, and outside Deadpool is not competing for that spot in those archetypes.
Alexander Coccia:It's been a remarkable card, and it's been one of those cards that has been consistently a performer. It raises the Destroy archetype to a whole other level. It's in every single Destroy deck, it never gets cut. It's even, like, been, kind of, been played with Hulkbuster. Like, people just be like, well, I don't have Deadpool, I'm gonna Hulkbuster this X 23. Get the value for Venom by carnaging it. Get the value from you know, whatever. For the null value of Venoming it and all this stuff. Let it bounce into locations that it can't otherwise access. And obviously, it sets up Null Deadpool on turn six, right? Which is pretty cool, or whatever have you. Null Deadpool and a death on turn six, right? It's crazy what one extra energy can do for Destroy and, Listen, X23 lets you do exactly what Destroy wants you to do, that's destroy cards, get energy to destroy more cards. So, after a remarkable card, another one that you were hot on in August, and once again, very top notch call out there. As we move to number 4. Number 4 on our list is a perennial performer, used to be one of the absolute best cards in the game, and it's Sunspot. There was a time where it's kind of funny to think, but Sunspot as a 1 1 was regularly getting to absolutely astronomical numbers. We didn't even have High Evo at the time, which is kind of crazy, but Sunspot was still regularly at 8. We were talking about how the card was absolutely broken, and guess what? Now we have High Evo! And I regularly see Sunspot so that I can shun Chi, which is kind of crazy, right? So, Sunspot has continued to be an absolute massive stat stick, and, but I also don't think there's a card that dies more to Killmonger. Thankfully, Kaira's out to save the day.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, and Shadow King, his presence going to a 2 2 has hurt. You know, talk about a car a car that just dies whenever Shadow King comes out. But Kaira has been massive for Sunspot. Kind of crazy though, because if I see a Sunspot now, I just immediately think it's a high EVO deck, and that's kind of what it's been tied to, where he was way more flexible, and I still think he is, right, but people really tied down to that deck. Just because he has that extra synergy and there's not, you know, not to say Spider Ham and things like that aren't great But Sunspot synergizes with Infinite, with She Hulk and with these cards and on top of that He also allows you to not always have perfect curve which could be punishing with Red Hulk But for now really good.
Alexander Coccia:And now Cozy, we're into our top three best one drops in the game and these are absolute bangers, ridiculous bangers, and I gotta tell you I'm really excited to go through this year because We switched up a couple of them back and forth, and I mean, listen, as we talk through them, we can switch them back, but Number 3 is the one that I originally had at number 2, Kozy, but we switched it, and that was Nebula! And we'll let the comments section decide if Kozy's number 2 is certainly better than Nebula, you can probably guess what it is already. But Nebula coming in at number 3, is this not one of the absolute best cards in Snap, that low key, gets no complaints, put up incredible power, Is one of the best design cards in Snap and also one of the most powerful one drops.
Cozy Snap:One of the best design. I hope we see more of like this nature and like, it's crazy. Cause you have so many things running through your head when you play against Nebula. How much do you play into that lane? Should you be playing into that lane? Do you abandon that lane? Is it too hard to catch up on? She creates pressure and I love that. Very unique card and definitely one of the best.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, and I love the control element that Nebula brings and honestly, it's one like when I play against Nebulas I find myself making suboptimal plays because I'm like, I don't want that Nebula getting plus two But I should be playing over here. And so like that control part I think people undersell how powerful it is to the point don't forget the Nebula was being played in Galactus decks because it was encouraging people to play into singular locations and And opening up additional options for Galactus when they're got waved out or electrode out. Right. So Nebula can be surprisingly tricky and Cozy. I originally had Nebula number two, but you were determined to make a switch. And you, my friend, traded Nebula for another lady. Nico Minoru. Nico Minoru. I had to. Minoru? I still don't even quite sure how to say the name, but yeah, Nico, and listen, I'm all for it, but I want you to make the picture.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, so obviously Nebula's way more consistent, right? But you also have to play her out earlier, whereas Nico Just has that flexibility on the turn, on the ability, in archetypes and in decks. Nico is right up there with number one for me, and not only one of my favorite cards, but what she brings to the table. Nebula is a great card with the consistency of power. Nico can push you over the top and just win you games, man. I don't know if you've had to Listen, they're all great, and yeah, just destroying a card for two is fine and dandy. Being able to clone your card, bro, whenever I get to see this symbol, I'm like, I have to play her. I gotta get another Venom. I gotta get another Hitmonkey. Like, there's so much valuable here. Value in her here, so Nico for sure is my number two.
Alexander Coccia:Listen, I don't know what you're talking about Nico's not consistent. The most consistent thing in my Marvel Snap Snap experience is Nico turn one into Deadpool, destroy, draw two, turn two, every single time. Like, every single player I've ever played against, playing Destroy, has that exact combo in that exact order. And is, of course, already snapped, right? So, like maybe that's why Destroy is so high in the win rates here. Because Nico Minoru keeps absolutely smashing I'm saying it wrong on purpose at this point, but honestly, it is a remarkable card, and it's this is such a beautiful, elegant design. Ain't nobody complaining about Nico being OP. It is perfectly fun, perfectly balanced, perfectly powerful, perfectly chaotic. Perfectly low rolling. It is everything that's perfect about Marvel Snap in one card. By far one of the best ones they've ever designed. The amount of effort that went into creating this with all the different spells, all the different effects was worth it. The only thing I would ask, and I don't know if this happens to you, but when Nico comes into my hand or at this, like, show me the logo right off the top. Like, why does it not show me right away? Why do I have to click the card first? It's kind of a silly bug.
Cozy Snap:And she, like, zips over to the right location sometimes, like, without even meaning to. I don't know if that happens to you, where she just, like, places herself there. Has that happened to you? No. Oh, dude, there's maybe it's just my maybe I just suck. But I, I, are people confused at number one? You think that?
Alexander Coccia:Number one, I think it can't be a surprise, right? Like there's no way it's a surprise. We've we, I mean, we just talked about number one, like, yeah, we just brought his name up like four times. Like in the discussion here, it's Deadpool. It has to be. It's always been, I mean, Deadpool is absolutely insane right now. The target of these nerfs. And it's kind of funny how, like, what do you do to Deadpool? Because it's one of those examples where you don't have a lot of dials. So they were laughing. People were like, Oh, look at this. They're nerfing Hulkbuster to nerf Deadpool. LOL. Like, why don't you just nerf Deadpool? It's like, well, it's a one drop. It's a 1 1 and it doubles the power. What dials do you have? You make it a 1 1 so it goes negative when it doubles? Like you can, if you take it, make it zero, then it literally cannot be doubled. Yeah. What do you do?
Cozy Snap:And I'm scared because the movie hasn't even come out yet. You know, when the movie comes out, it's going to get like an OTA to be like a one, two. No, I, I honestly, man, Deadpool is the reason why Destroy is so tough and a combination of things. But it's a one cost commitment on an archetype now with x23. Like, it's the merriment of all of it. We have to appreciate that. Like, Deadpool wasn't where he was when Nico and x23 and some of these cards weren't, you know, exactly where they were. But Venom, being able to get a Deadpool for, like, 24 power, then you Venom eat it, and then you have two lanes, like, it's just too much to put up with. And then you always have the opponent guessing. Do they have Death? Do they have Null? Are they going to be able to play Deadpool and Death? I don't know. How many cards have they destroyed? I don't have a tracker. I'm on mobile. It doesn't, it's just tough, man. And Deadpool is rightfully the number one, one cost card.
Alexander Coccia:There's no question about it, Deadpool comes in at number one in our top ten list. And Kozy, I can't wait to do this again. I really like the idea of doing it kind of together, by the way. I'd be interested in hearing your feedback in the comments section, what you guys think. I do like when, like, you know, I forget a card and Kozy makes it number one. Like, when I forgot Thanos and stuff, that's also fun. But, this is also great, too. So, thank you so much for for joining in on the fun. As we move to the Snapchat mailbag, we got a few questions here that we're gonna be going through. And there's a couple absolute beauties. And when I specifically took a couple that aren't about Marvel Snap to kind of dig into a couple other topics here as well. So the first question is coming from Mr. Fro. Are you concerned about new cards lacking store variants? No card from the Scar season had a variant released into the store, season pass and spotlight only, and Beta Rebuild is the only card that has a datamined variant with no release date. It looks like the Black Order season is set to be the same. I ask this cozy because I know you're a man of the variants. What are your thoughts?
Cozy Snap:I feel like the more we get into unique characters, the less variance we're going to have. So a great example is I was looking up a bunch of lore on Black Swan, not a super popular character and pretty much all the art has been commissioned for games. And so like, I think the more we go into these characters, the less variance and just public art there is to buy. You know, you can almost tell when something's been commissioned for Snap, right? Like you can almost look at it and be like, Oh, this looks like it was just made to be a Marvel Snap card. I feel like we could edge towards that a bit more. Which I do! I, I, I like and I hate, if that makes sense. Like, I don't know about you, I've got like nine billion deadpools at this point but also like, yeah, it would be really great to be able to have more options for something like Scars. You know, if you miss out on the season pass, you're done. So hopefully they can continue to commission the art, but that's my guess on the why, if that makes sense.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, no, I think it makes perfect sense. Like, for instance, like, like, Sarah is technically, like, a very kind of obscure hero in, in, like, the Marvel universe, right? But happens to be a really awesome card in Snap. Not many variants, but it has an awesome ultimate, right? It's funny because variants I have kind of come around on spending more money on variants. I tried to like avoid it, but like when there's art germ in the shop, I got to get it and I'm really looking forward to the selectable borders and obviously the mastery system, it's going to reward the collectors out there, which I think is a really important part of the game. I know my son will literally flip through my phone and just look at the art. Like, he's like, oh, it's Iron Man, and oh, it's, it's Wolverine, and look at all the Wolverine variants. He sees the pics, and he's like, what the hell is this? Our next question comes from Justin Alexander, and it reads, Have either of you played Slay the Spire? In my opinion, it's one of the best card games ever made, and I would love to hear your thoughts about it. Love the podcast, and happy snapping.
Cozy Snap:Aw, dude, such a good game. I mean, it combines so much, You know what? I played it even before I was, like, hyper into card games, too, and it got me into that style. I feel like that genre is untapped, too. Like, I feel like you could do more with that, kind of like, having a overall arching game within a card game kind of thing. Or card game within an over you know what I mean? Super fun game, if people have not played it and you enjoy Snap. It's a no brainer, man. Have you played?
Alexander Coccia:I have, I played quite a bit of it and I did like it a lot. A very very fun game to play. It it actually was kind of like my gateway drug into those types of card games. I liked Slay the Spire, but I loved Monster Train. Monster Train was another one that had like, kind of like it had the multiple levels. You played the cards out. I loved Monster Train and that was so much fun as well. And then ultimately it's funny cause like. Card games. Now that like I play card games, like for way too much of my time, they creep up in fun places, like even like midnight suns at its core is a card game. Right. And it's it's, it's actually kind of like a, like, kind of like a social simulator, to be honest with you, but at its core, it's a card game and it really is fun. And I think Marvel snap has some trans. Referrable kind of skills there, but yeah, Slay the Spire, I think was one of the first major like indie card games to like really take off on Steam, and then it kind of propelled other card games to do something similar. I'm looking forward to more. I'm always looking for a new card game that's of similar design of similar style. I think we're getting more like Slay the Spire inspired games, which are like, you know, card game roguelikes with different branching kind of abilities and stuff. Yeah. Like those classic deck builders on the fly, right? So yeah, love the call out huge fan of Slay the Spire. And that takes us to Different World Skating. That's the name. And the question reads, What's up, boys? Love the content. Wanted to take this one off topic of Snap. We need to get to the real questions here. Being an Italian skater, I've always wondered. Cozy. Who's your favourite skater, your favourite brand, and your favourite trick? I'm assuming they're referencing skateboards. And Alex, God tier pasta noodle best cold cut for a sandwich, and my favourite football team. So we'll let you go cozy first. Favourite skater, favourite brand, favourite trick. And I'll let you go surfboard if you need to cop out and go full California.
Cozy Snap:Oh man, I mean, how do I not, how do I not pick Tony Hawk? I, for whatever reason, when I played the Tony Hawk games, I loved Bob Bernquist, or whatever his name was. He was like the second guy with the glasses. Anyway yeah, I would, for me, it's the OG GOAT. He's from San Diego, man. Tony Hawk did so much for the sport. I remember going to see him you know, plenty of times, so that was huge for me. As far as the brand, I don't have, like, a particular brand that I stick with, with skateboarding in that regard but definitely, like, First of all, they're all, they're all, they're all pretty BA. But I would say, yeah, surfing is more of my, more of my go to if you will. But just natural. I've been snowboarded as a skater. When you first said it, dude, I thought, I thought, I thought they were talking about like ice skating or something. I was like, what the hell? What about you? Your favorite, what was your question? Favorite cold cut?
Alexander Coccia:I'll go through my questions, but first, I got, you have to. Can you please yell, do a kickflip? Do a kickflip! Perfect, that's all I wanted. We just need that, we need that clip, guys. You got it, that's all you need there. For me, the question was, what was my favourite pasta noodle, best cold cut sandwich, and favourite football team? By football, I believe they mean soccer team. My favourite God Tier pasta noodle, always been a fan of rigatoni, doesn't, just never steers you wrong, right? For my Best cold cut sandwich, love prosciutto. You can't go wrong with a good piece of prosciutto. And my favorite football team slash soccer team has always been AC Milan. And my dad is an inter Milan fan, which is the Italian soccer club. So my dad actually played for Oscoli back in the day. So yeah, which is kind of cool. It's a, it's like a, like a semi pro team or a pro team in Italy. So that was pretty cool. Some skill transferred on to me, but not all the skill. I never made a pro ha ha ha.
Cozy Snap:Dude, that's awesome. That's I learned something new about my podcast partner every day.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, I, listen, you gotta teach me how to surf, and I gotta teach you how to play soccer, and probably skate, and shovel snow, and
Cozy Snap:My highest viewed video would be teaching Alex Coccia how to surf.
Alexander Coccia:That would definitely be, and no one would want to see that, and I would be wearing a Full life jacket with those little kid, kid, little arm floaty things, wings,
Cozy Snap:waterwings.
Alexander Coccia:Anyways, with that image in your head, we want to say thank you so much for joining us on today's Snapchat. It really means a lot to us to support your viewership. And of course you guys being the wonderful community that you are.
Cozy Snap:Have a good one. Have a great one. Till the next one. Happy snapping.