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Proxima Midnight: Another Card For Discard Domination | The Five Most Loved and Hated Cards This Season | Corvus Glaive In Review | The Snap Chat Ep. 69
Will Proxima Midnight be an essential for the Discard archetype? What are the best decks for the upcoming Infinity Conquest? What are the final rankings on Corvus Glaive? Join Cozy Snap and Alexander Coccia as they chat about this and more on this episode of The Snap Chat and every week as they discuss all things Marvel Snap.
Will Proxima Midnight be an essential for the Discard archetype? What are the best decks for the upcoming Infinity Conquest? What are the final rankings on Corvus Glaive? Join Cozy Snap and Alexander Coccia as they chat about this and more on this episode of The Snap Chat and every week as they discuss all things Marvel Snap.
What's going on, guys, and welcome back. Today, we're going to be breaking down Proxima Midnight, the new card that comes out on Tuesday. New cards like Moon Knight, Swordmaster have a lot more play and is she going to have synergy with Corvus Glaive? We're going to break down, is this card essential for discard or completely worth skipping? We're also talking about our five most loved cards this season and hated cards. Is Hela on our love or hate list? And then lastly, guys, we're going to be talking about the best decks right now in Marvel Snap. It's Infinity Conquest, so we're going to cover all the decks that you should be playing and that are by far performing. The best before the next OTA. We're gonna talk about that all today more in this episode of the Snap Chat. And as always, I am joined by Mr. Alex Coccia. Hello, my friend. We enter the last week of the Black Order season. Coming off Corvus Glaive. Heading into his wife, Proxima, midnight. How are you enjoying Hella Snap? Are you enjoying the game right now? And what's going on this fine Monday?
Alexander Coccia:I love Hela's Snap. That is so well played, Cozy. That's exactly what it feels like right now, right? There's a Hela, a lot of Hela. And it's, it's been pretty wild. And it's so funny cause like, Yes, there's been some changes to like, improve Hela's viability in the Meta. But ultimately, it's like The card's kind of been the same for a while. Like, have we just been sleeping on Hela for like, months or what?
Cozy Snap:Okay, I want to start here. Like, in Marvel Snap, right? Would you consider yourself a lucky player or an unlucky player, right? Like, you've had enough stuff happen to you. Where the X Mansion flops, Hela, right, just as like, Infinite, left side, you need to win. Are you lucky or not? I'm asking the viewers this too. I'll give it to you first, then I'll answer.
Alexander Coccia:I'm the unluckiest player in Marvel Snap, there's no question about it. Like, I am built to tilt. Like, there is no luck at whatsoever in my gameplay. And that's why I play everything on curve. I leave nothing to chance. I just can't. If I need to topdeck something, like if MODOK, if it's turn five, and I'm like, I need that MODOK. No, I'm getting the one rock that they put in with the Korg, right? Like, it's like, no, there's no luck for me.
Cozy Snap:I feel like I have decent location luck, right? Like, not, maybe not X Mansion, but like, if Subterranea comes up, I'm like, okay, I only got, like, a rock this time. Hela, though, I can't do it. I can't, she's got something against me. I'm watching other players, and it, again, it's like, Infinite, Giganto, Black Cat, and I'm over here, you know, just hoping for the best, discarding her to hell, or she's like, hey, let's triple stack this location. How about that? And just give you the loss anyway. I, I am too unlucky to play Hela, is my consensus.
Alexander Coccia:I actually had a highlight in a recent video where somebody like, like literally Jubilee into a lock jaw, pulled a rock and then pulled hella hit everything. Absolutely. Picture perfect. Beat me by one point. I'm like, yep, this is what Unins installation looks like. I need to get up and walk away for a minute because I am unbelievably tilted.
Cozy Snap:Well I would say with Agatha. I am lucky though. If I have Agatha by my side, I got a little bit extra luck, but I think it's the game throwing me like a nod. Like, Ego hates me. Ego absolutely hates me. District X hates me too, every single time. It's like, hey, here's a couple cards you'll never play. Maybe like a Destroyer or something. What about like the Raft? You get like good Raft stuff?
Alexander Coccia:No, no, I always get Destroyer. Every single time. It's always Destroyer. Yeah, sometimes I get Leader and I get excited because Leader's like such a great freebie. You know what I mean? It's such a great zero cost card. Yeah, I got the Hulk the other day.
Cozy Snap:Usually it's like Destroyer. Okay, okay. Well, buddy, we got a good week of Marvel Snap ahead. You know, some Fun subjects as we head into Infinity Conquest week, we're gonna obviously talk about some of the best decks in the game right now for people to be playing, and also just some cards we've liked over the season. Alex, what are we talking about on your side of the Snapchat?
Alexander Coccia:We're gonna be talking about Corvus Glaive, and given our final rankings, it's been a very surprising card, and I think we're gonna have a really fun discussion about it. Then we're gonna be discussing our top 10 discard cards in Marvel Snap in ranked order. It's discard season, and we've got some opinions on who's on the top and who's on the bottom. And then of course, as with every week, the Snapchat mailbag.
Cozy Snap:Last week, man, last week of the season, really hopeful for March. I don't know about you, but I'm feeling the no OTA. Definitely it hits hard. You know, I know we do this next week, but Black Order season as a whole. What has been your enjoyment factor?
Alexander Coccia:I've enjoyed it. I think these cards have been pretty fun. Like, so far, like, my Favorite, Proxima has not been released yet, obviously, but I actually really liked the simplicity of Cull Obsidian. Like, I think that was such a good addition to the game and like, I've liked it. I've liked the design of the cards. I really have. And Supergiant, I think, is like a thinking man's card. And then you have, like, Cull Obsidian, which is just like, nah, all the, all the mental energy I could put into Supergiant. I don't need it anymore. Let's just put down some 10 power.
Cozy Snap:I like that. I hope that, you know, we had that with Grandmaster a little bit. I hope we do that again. I like that in the seasons, right? Like, you have one, like, complex card, one simple. But, guys we'll do it next week, but between Pixie and Hope Summers, both in the same week. God help us. It's gonna be absolute mayhem. That's gonna be the shake up. If you guys are waiting for some just pure madness, that's gonna be it. Let's talk about Proxima Midnight, though. I mean, obviously, we talked about Corvus. You might think there's not a lot to talk about, but there's a couple of cards not only cards, but just discard in general that we didn't talk about we wanted to say for this episode, Alex. Proxima Midnight, she comes alongside, in my opinion, one of those Spotlight Weeks, where you're just hoping I want to get away with the Proxima and that's it. I hope I can just pull her one key and get out Dokken and Modok. Obviously, if you don't have Modok, sure, we've been saying that for a while, but pretty, pretty bad week in my opinion.
Alexander Coccia:It is. It's a bit on the weaker side and they're obviously Series 4 cards as well, right? Daken's Series 4 too, I believe. So, the actual trade off on, like, value there for your Spotlight Key is a little lower. So this is one of those, like, you should probably use tokens weak if, like, you you know, you have the tokens to spare and, like, Proxima is the only card you're missing for the week. I would definitely agree. And MODOK's one of those cards that, I don't know about you, but, like, every variant seems terrible. Except for the Pixel one. The Pixel one's the only one I want. I still haven't pulled it of all the pixel ones, you know, I want that that absolute diarrhea pixel one.
Cozy Snap:He's just not a good looking. Good thing. You know what I mean? I don't know if a variant could do it justice. I mean, we've got the have you seen the Art Germ Takeover coming? With the Shirtless Killmonger?
Alexander Coccia:I've not actually seen any of the cards that are coming, but like, I've got I've got gold ready.
Cozy Snap:Look at this, guys. For those that are watching, here it is. This is coming an Art Germ Takeover. Some of the most I don't know what the word is. Zesty, maybe? I don't know. But I mean, look at that Killmonger alone. Magic in the middle. You have Dazzler. And then we have a couple of these that are already in game. But there are several new variants coming. None of, like, can you imagine a sexy MODOK? What does that look like?
Alexander Coccia:It looks like Killmonger, I guess. I don't know.
Cozy Snap:Dude, that's terrifying.
Alexander Coccia:I have no idea, man.
Cozy Snap:That's absolutely terrifying. Like, just like, an 8 pack MODOK with a I don't even know. I don't know how to make him sexy. Let's talk about Proxima Midnight. Give our rankings. For those that don't know, she's a 4 cost card. Zabu says hello. Seven power. When this is discarded, Proxima Midnight jumps to your lowest powered location that isn't full. Now if there's this locations have the same power, she's going to pick one at random. If you have multiple of them, then they act, you know, separately. They don't need to take the same location in which is also Pretty nice. Proxima, buddy, let's start with the star ratings. What are you thinking?
Alexander Coccia:I'm leaning towards three stars. Willing to go up to four for Discard, but like it's so tricky because like right now I feel like it's a three star card in terms of its capabilities, but the meta and where Discard is heading, it feels like Proxima, like I don't, I don't know where it actually, I don't know if it's going to elevate any of the best decks. Like, you know what I mean? Like, I think it's going to try and create this new type of shell that Discard might kind of want to play. But I don't know if it, like, completely supersedes something like Ahella. I don't know if it ends up in Black Knight. So it's like, it's in this weird spot where, like, I just don't know if it makes any of the top existing decks better.
Cozy Snap:You know, it's funny. I think We did this with Meek. It can be very tough to be like, it's this in the archetype, it's this outside of it. There is, let's start with just the bad guys, and that is, hey if you play Discard, awesome. If you don't, this is the most skippable week. She does not have a home, really, anywhere else outside of Discard, so very, very pigeonholed in that archetype. However, it's this situation we get in, where it's like, in the archetype, Is a must include now on, is my, I'm sorry, more pure Discard, the APOC builds. In my opinion, with the MODOK, she's a must include moving forward. I even think within forms of, maybe Hela will have to test, Black Knight, I actually think a user will have to see with those two. They kind of have their dedicated roles in Discard, but the pure dopium of the Discard that we used to play, the dependable version, She's gonna be a no brainer. Like, I could give her a billion stars in that role, but you're right. Like, as an average, it's, it's, it's tougher. I, you know, three stars fine with me. I think I'm okay with with, with giving that. Right off the bat, I mean, obviously, her husband, Corvus, is gonna work well, but I wanted to kind of take the subject that direction. Do we start to fiddle? I know me and you both will. Twitch drops her on Tuesday. If you guys want free drops, come check out both Alex and I's stream. We'll both be streaming. I'm gonna be testing, as she comes out, these cards that we've been waiting to play with, man. Oh, nope, don't need them again. The cards like Moon Knight, the cards like Swordmaster. Is this finally a time where we're gonna see these cards get played more? Because we're now adding I believe our like seventh card that on our side, it's okay if it's discarded.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, there's a lot like you're getting more and more options of like, okay, don't hit the Hela, just hit anything else. Like hit the Wolverine, hit the Proxima, you know hit X23. X23 has been making these decks. I mean, even to some degree, you even see Dokken at times, right? Dokken Modok is actually a pretty decent combo because the shards in the hand the, and then it gets discarded with Modok. That's probably why the week is designed the way it is, honestly. And I agree, you have these much more natural hits where you can Moon Knight disrupt their hand, but also have a positive effect on your side. And I love what you said about the Modok particular shell, because I do think that's where she's going to be the strongest, and It's one of those cards where like, I don't know if, she obviously is unplayable everywhere else outside of Discard. However, in specific Discard shells, I think she's going to be a shining star. Especially when you consider that Discard does not have much location protection. Like, it does not have abilities does not naturally include cards that deal positively with like you know Sanctorums, right? Does not have a Doom or does not have a, you know, any, like, a Mr. Fantastic. It doesn't have access to those types of locations. And Proxima is going to resolve that. So I do think that it increases the flexibility of that particular deck, but the absence of the old Chavez. I wonder if this card makes up for that difference. And I don't think it does.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, again, I always kind of say like, I, I've almost felt like I've like, you know, I've gotten through the breakup. I've moved on from that Chavez in a sense of like, okay, the discard of new. What I'll say with that though, is the discard shell right now, if you guys haven't tried it. Helicarrier, Collector, the Morbius build. I'm sure you've tested that out a bit with Corvus. Guys, we're looking at great stats in Infinite. 100 plus only, it's at 57 percent almost win rate with 1000 games. I mean, brother, that's, if that's not good statistics at that level of play, I don't know what is. And she's gonna go right into that. It is my opinion there. I mean, if you look at some of the cards, we're starting to get with discard, not even starting, we're there. That is the same as Destroy at this point. It is a tight, tight list, and cards are doing certain things, and that's where Okay, are these type of cards gonna work? Because in my head, you now have Stature, that, okay, you can start to risk these a little bit more, kind of go that direction. Swordmaster, you just have great value here. Even Gambit, getting that random just doesn't matter. If you guys don't know the list, we have, you know, X23, as what you said, Wolverine, Swarm, Apoc, Helicarrier, Dock into an Extent, and now Proxima Midnight. That's a lot of cards, man, that you are just completely fine. With getting rid of, and your attacking the opponent.
Alexander Coccia:I think you're absolutely correct. And anytime you're able to like, create disruption for your opponent's board. Or like, you know, disrupt their hand. Like, Moon Knight is a really annoying effect. If you were able to hit like, your Wolverine or X 23. And they lose their Doctor Doom, that's huge sad for them. What if they lose their Mr. Negative? Cause you're playing it on turn 3, right? Like, like their whole game plan falls apart. And I think there's a lot of like, potential there. And I absolutely would love to say. And I feel like I've started every single conversation with this. Like, I agree with what you said Cody, but you've been on the ball tonight. I do think that the shell of the Helicarrier the, so like, I don't care. One of the pen and paper decks I have ready is Quinjet Collector, right? A Quinjet, not a mistake. Quinjet Collector Morbius. Use a Moongirl to multiply Proxima Midnight. Use MODOK, right? Maybe hit Helicarrier too. Dump the Proxima Midnight, fill your hand with new stuff. I think there's a lot of potential there. And what I want to say is that like what we're seeing is, and this is what gets me excited, is you're seeing like this variation of discard. Kind of like what happened with Destroy, where Destroy has like Deadpool Destroy, and has like the Nimrod Destroy, and they're kind of like separate from one another. Discard's now getting this third attempt at like differentiating.
Cozy Snap:It might, maybe even four, right? Because you have Hela, you have Black Knight. Those are two different, they play their own, right? You have Collector, Hela Carrier, that. Personally, I think if you want Proxima in there, you might have to ditch the collector package. Like, maybe have to go that route and maybe insert, like, if you want to go with, like, the MODOK Miracle Turn, right? That's when, like, okay, where are you putting Wolverine in the deck? How are you fitting in, you know, a couple of those cards in there? But you gotta, I mean, I gotta tell you, man, if you play something, let's say Moon Knight, and your hand is Apoc, Swarm, Proxima, Midnight. It's just, you're feasting. You're feeling so much better, or even more so, Corvus Glaive, which we've been talking about. We're gonna talk about it on your side, but I do think Corvus did better this week, even without her. Like, I, I thought he was gonna be like, really reliant on, on Proxima. And now that marriage is gonna come true within the game, I think it's gonna definitely elevate both of their play, for sure. But that's like, almost the fourth deck. It's like, this kinda like I don't care what I discard, I'm attacking you on the board with Gambit, I'm attacking your hand with Moon Knight I'm attacking myself with Sword Master, and potentially a 3 cost card with 6 power is all of a sudden a 13 power play because of Proxima.
Alexander Coccia:I think this might be the first time you've ever talked about Sword Master on this podcast. Probably. That's a card that I think some people are forgetting even exists, honestly. Like, it's one of those cards that has never seen play. Some of the best variants in Snap, by the way. Some of the best variants. Even the base variant is incredible. Like, it has such good but yeah, it's just been such a terrible card for so long, but maybe it's going to make a bit of a comeback. Something I want to run by you, Cozy, as we're talking about synergistic cards, is I had this interesting thought about Dracula. Dracula, seems like there could be some synergy. Like, if you're ever to pop up that Apocalypse, you play the Apocalypse down, if you hit Proxima with Dracula, it's a 15 power lane because she's going to jump to Dracula as Dracula takes on the power. However, conversely, the Dracula location is usually the one, you know, you're going to win. It's the vertical power one, but it seems weakest when you discard Proxima. So it might be like, she jumps to Dracula's lane. You're like, I got this 20 APOC. Like I don't need you there. So there's like this. Interesting dichotomy about how, like, it's gonna interact, and I'm curious about your thoughts.
Cozy Snap:Well, yeah, so remember at the beginning of the month, we, we broke all these down, and I was, kind of make my point around Dracula Proxima, right? Because you have a 15 power play most likely, and even if you have to go with, you know, you separate the, especially with Corvus, man, you can get out a lot. You can even get out Apoc if you wanted to, right? Kind of set it up, have that left lane with Apoc, and then you're like, hey, Jump to Dracula. I need you there, right? Because then that Dracula thing is super protective. Because they can't, literally, you have, you know, Dracula that you can't break. And then Proxima's jumping, not playing, so she's safe. Very interesting, though, is the order of operations. I think we're gonna have, it's just, honestly, it comes down to the code, right? Because 4 goes to 4 8. Does she get discarded and then see that 4 8? And then jump. I think she's gonna see the 4 8 on Dracula before she jumps to a location. I think so, because it's almost at the same time, right?
Alexander Coccia:I think based on the way Apocalypse interacts, the card is discarded first, Apocalypse gets the plus 4, and then Dracula takes the power. That would insinuate to me that Proxima gets hit. Jumps to the location and then Dracula absorbs the power. That's what I would think would happen based on Apocalypse.
Cozy Snap:I'm thinking I might contact Harvard or maybe Yale and say, Hey, do you guys want to have a major for the, just the entire complications of Marvel Snap? I mean, you need a degree at this point to understand every mechanic, every thing that happens within the game. And like, it's funny, I've played millions of discard games and I'm like, I forgot. I have no idea. You know, I think you were probably right there. I'll lean on you on that. Either way, though, I do think the pairing's gonna work out and, you know, no matter which way it goes, you just have to play your game plan, you know, according. So, Dracula, one of the few cards in that deck that you're kind of hoping doesn't get discarded, but has a lot more of a shield around him because there's a bunch of other cards that can take the hit. And to that point, I wanted to bring this up, you know, people were like, Ah, it kind of sucks because Hela and Ghost Rider doesn't work. I kind of like that, because now all of a sudden, you have the potential, if you do kill Proxima, and you get rid of Apoc, and you get rid of Dracula, well, you know Dracula's the only one that can come down with Ghost Rider, which is kind of fun. Hela, maybe not as much, but, you know, Ghost Rider has some potential there to maybe squeeze into a couple of those lists, although I don't particularly see it.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, like there's potential. Like I still see Ghost Rider as like a clear cut Black Knight card. Like, I feel like it fits so perfectly in Black Knight that like, I don't know if you forced it into a Proxima deck because like, it's exactly what you said. Like you almost just want to include cards you don't mind getting discarded. And Dracula is going to be the one. It's just going to tilt you out. Like, it's going to be Dracula, and then everything else you want to discard. And you're going to throw Swordmaster, and it's just going to snipe. It's going to snipe Dracula every time. It's the old way, discarding Hela.
Cozy Snap:I mean, dude, I told you what, last Snapshot, I've been big on Gambit lately. I think that's going to be one of the more fun ones, just to like, if you get I mean, think about it. Gambit does Proxima. That's 10 power played, and then you can kill a card, so they flip there. Is massive, just a massive turn, especially if you do what you were saying with non discard synergy. So I want to kind of let's let's bring it that way for a second. Non discard synergy, right? You mentioned Moon Girl. I think that is a very interesting double up deck that could happen with Proxima. I mean, at that point, you got 14 power, baby. 14 power to go. And, and hear me out. You ready for this? What if you do something like, you get double Proximus, you have double She Hulks, okay? And then what you could essentially do, well, not even double She Hulks, like, you don't have to get the nut there. But you get the She Hulks, you skip turn 5, and all you gotta do on turn 6 is Modok at that point. Slam a She Hulk down as well, double Proximus, maybe you got an energy cheat with Corvus, you can full float the She Hulks. I'm just saying there's some double up synergy happening there.
Alexander Coccia:No, there definitely is. I love it. Every single pod, like we're talking about new cards, you bring up the double up strategy and it just, just a squirrel chasing the nut every single time, man. I love it.
Cozy Snap:Hey, listen, man, the double up Proxima was your idea. I'm just, you know. Fueling the, the, the Hopamine, the Hopamine, Terran Copamine, both of them.
Alexander Coccia:Hopin and Hopin yeah, hey buddy, listen, I actually, I do have a plan, man. I do think that like, I'm even trying to like, slip Meek in there. The whole idea is that like, if I could just pump Discards like crazy, and generate value for Collector, Meek, Morbius, and then I have Proximas dropping everywhere, it's beautiful! And the thing about Proxima that I think really helps Zelda, I feel like nobody's mentioned, It's immune to everything. It can't be Shadow King. It can't be Sean Cheed. It can be Magnetoed, to be honest. That's like the only major thing, but other than that, like that card drops, it hits exactly where you want. And as you mentioned in the introduction, it will, I believe, based on the information we have, it'll trigger based on like one will trigger, it'll go to the lowest, the next will trigger, it'll go to the next lowest. Like they'll consider each other like way better than like, say, having multiple Miss Marvels will.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a good point. And on that note, because of that, right, we looked at Moongirl. Let's talk about, do you remember, I mean, dude, it feels like yesterday, but we're going on a year, it's crazy how fast time is moving. Storm used to be a pretty cemented card in Discard. I mean, Storm used to be in a lot of the lists. Remember back in the day. I mean, listen, man. Closing off that location, and either you have the drag play that you can get away with, or you're like, Okay, I don't have to play anything. You do a little math in your head. You're like, as long as they don't play nine power, I'm gonna win. I'm gonna win that location. And you know well that discard is awesome at winning at least one lane. Right? You got one lane, for sure, most of the time. So this is the other route that I see. You just get the win on the left side here. Don't even worry about it. And then you're good to go. You just win the other lane that you need to win with the Morbius, the Collector, whatever way you want to go.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, I mean, you ask about my luck. This is how my luck works. I play Storm in a lane. They play they play the Iron Lad to follow up on turn four. That Iron Lad hits their Devil Dinosaur and I retreat. That's, that's how my life works. But, I totally get what you're saying. Like, you can undercommit there slightly because you don't want to play You often don't want to play Dracula in a Storm location. You can You absolutely can, but like, you're like, Hey, I just overkilled this by 18 pounds. Dracula is the big boy. You want it to hit, like, you want it to hit something. Right. I totally feel that. Cause like you can leave the storm location and I'll approximate just to give it that pump up.
Cozy Snap:But not only that, you've got Meek, which, you know, do you think Meek makes these lists, right? Because he kind of helps the Storm thing, too. He kind of pops around. They, like, listen, we kind of, you know, blaze past it. I truly think it's gonna be so cool to have this Wolverine, Proxima X 23. Again, we just mentioned some of the cards that are playing themselves. Having that Swarm and then Meek and Morbius, just that, just that little interaction. To me seems absolute hilarious and then even if Apoc's in here, and that's where the Dracula can do his thing, too That's gonna be a very fun kind of like miracle deck if you will.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, I think that anytime you're playing Proxima You are playing MODOK for the simple reason that none of the targeted discard can really hit Proxima like outside of Blade If you topdeck her like if you think about it Sif's probably not gonna hit her Right? Colleen Wing's not going to hit her under most circumstances. And so from there, you start to run out of options. The only thing that's consistently going to hit her is going to be MODOK. And that's why, like, I had this design with, like, this, this Moongrill deck I want to experiment with. Because I'm going to play Meek in it. Because, like, you're just, you're just going to wipe everything. Wipe everything out. Allow tons of things to get discarded and run from there, right? And any time you're playing MODOK, I think that Meek's going to be a good spot there. Because, hey, remember, if it hits 1 5 If it's a 1 5, it's done it's job. Like, that's a good stat line. It's basically Martyr, except Martyr's gonna move to lose you to the game. I mean, Meek can move to lose you to the game too. That's the unfortunate reality of it. And I just think MODOK's really the card you want to play with Proxima.
Cozy Snap:Well, listen, I, you know, I'm gonna talk about it more in a bit here, but I do want to mention here, you know, cause my, my, my thoughts was going around Invisible Woman, and I'm like, okay, is there a deck where it's, you know, her on two, maybe even wave out early, whatever, and then you put the Modok in. It's not a Hella deck, it's just this last minute play. But guess what? We don't need to do that anymore because we've got Supergiant, which Supergiant kind of felt a little weird in Hella. There wasn't a lot of need to, you know, play that. But now it's like, hey, you put the Modok down on five That's perfect. That's what you need, because then on six, you're able to play that Dracula. You're able to play what you need to play without worry. And then you just look at your hand full of the Proximas and whatnot, and you're feeling pretty good. But to your point, Modok is in this spotlight for that reason. There is no Like, that is the certified It's going to feel like the old Dependable Discard in ways where we're like, you just hope you need that MODOK, right? You're like, you need that MODOK to get the play.
Alexander Coccia:For me, it's been the trick of like, how do I get Apocalypse on the board in a natural way? How do I utilize Apocalypse's power? And that's what Chavez did so perfectly. So unbelievably perfectly in the old Dependable Discard. And so, I think it's going to take a little bit of testing, but I think that this particular card, it's not going to need the testing that Supergiant did, or Meek did for that matter. I think it's going to be a much more natural pick. It's much more niche. But I think that we have some degree of confidence in where it's going to be working well, and it's just a matter of finding the right 12 cards. I think that like first shot, I bet y'all be like 10 of 12 on the right cards. And then as I test, I bet you'll refine it and you'll be the same way. I love the super giant call out. Supergiant's one of those cards, I really like what it's done to the game, I really like how it's flipped things around. And ultimately, like, I do think that anytime you get the opportunity to, like, adjust the strategic flow of a game, like with Supergiant, Modok, and then you have this turn six where you can do a pop off, I think that's really cool, cozy, I like that call out, because most opponents won't be able to prepare, or at least, like, They just won't know what you're doing, and that's how you steal cubes in Marvel Snap.
Cozy Snap:Exactly how you steal, I mean, heck, I was playing you know, take this on, this is a deck I'm gonna talk about in a second, but I was playing this at one of the top, I think it's two in the world, in the, in the Europe side of things in this tournament. And I played a Supergiant deck with, with Dr. Doom and Alioth. He played Loki, and it was the most toe to toe match, and it's mainly, like, What am I, what are they doing? What is this? And, and to our point, not only now, Supergiant works best when she's an offense and defensive card, right? Because all of a sudden, you have this synergy that you're working for. But at the same time, you also are stopping Sarah, you're stopping Loki most of the time, Jane Foster. You're doing a lot there, and it, it, it just feels like it's gonna work on offense and defense, and maybe there's a reason why all the Black Orders are gonna have that synergistic thing together coming out at the same time. Now, I brought this deck up, I want to just talk about it. This is where I see, again, Proxima entering, right? I mean, again, I think you might have to cut the Collector Package here. If the Collector Package survives, I, I also think that's fine. Maybe Colleen Wing's the next one out. But this, definitely, these stats do not lie. I mean, 100 plus gameplay, latest patch, plus 20 cubes. We have nearly 57%, a thousand games. Dude, this is a hot list for that level of play.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, like I'm, I'm going somewhere similar here, but I'm actually leaning into the collector package, right? So it's kind of funny how our minds are on similar kind of wavelengths, except on opposite ends of the wavelength, right? Like but like, so I'm leaning into the collector package, Kozy might lean off of the collector package. But either way Kozy, we're gonna have some fun decks to discuss and compare during the week.
Cozy Snap:For sure, man. So that is kind of what we have on Proxima. Again, there are plenty of discard stuff. I mean, maybe you even can, again, work in stature. Maybe you could get Silver Samurai. He works with what, like what, Iron Man? Hey, actually, you could do, like, Iron Man and then have Proxima. Go to that zeroed location, and it's 14. It's 14 power. Wait a second. Yeah, you're right. It's kind of cool. Yeah. So anyway, there's, there's, I feel like there's a lot of different synergies that we could come up with. Think about it. And what I love about Twitch Drops lining up with it, you just, you see this, like, just flow of not only the creator streaming and testing these new cards, but the communities all together, right? And they're all like giving ideas and stuff. And truly, we're going to find the deck that works this week. No question. Again, summing up, guys, here it is. If you play Discard, you gotta get Proxima. If you don't, you are feeling fantastic skipping. And I don't even think, I used to say, if you got Corvus, get Proxima. If you got a Corvus for the ramp stuff, I don't even think you have to. Like, if you still don't play Discard, you're probably still fine. I would get Proxima, but it's an easier week to decide with a lot of banger cards coming out in the weeks to come.
Alexander Coccia:And on that note, I do think that's like kudos to second dinner. I think we need more of these types of weeks that are a little more clear cut. And like, Hey, like if you don't play discard, if you don't play negative, if you don't play ramp, if you don't play whatever, right. Yep. You can maybe skip this week with some degree of confidence. Yeah. I do actually like that because free to play players. We have an additional card come out every month. And the first of the first week is two cards, right? Giving players the opportunity to actually breathe and say, okay. I can actually skip this week, and I feel okay. I think that's better for the game as a whole.
Cozy Snap:So, let's get to our next subject that'll wrap it up on Proxima next week. We're gonna talk about the new season. Excited about that. 5 Loves, 5 Hates, guys. This is a new segment where we're gonna talk about our 5 favorite cards this season, or we just, like, are loving right now. Top 5 loves. And then we're gonna talk about cards we are just hating. We've had our most hated list. I think there's definitely mixed opinions on cards out there right now, and we'll see if Alex and I's list kind of match up together. Alex, we'll start it with the hate. Let's start it with the hate. Give me a card this season that's just, it's just pissing you off, bro.
Alexander Coccia:I hate to say it cause I do like the, I like the card. I know you love the card. I'm just kind of sick of Deadpool. I'm just kind of sick of Deadpool. I know you're upset already. We're off to a great start, but like, he's too good, man. He's too good. And like, I respect the fact that Hulkbuster took a piece off him. I actually, Hulkbuster is being cut from some of the decks now, which is probably kind of interesting to see, but like for me, like I'm just sick of seeing him, he's too good. And like with Nico, every single, talk about luck again, every single Destroyer player I play. Oh. It's Nico into Destroy Deadpool Draw 2, and I'm like, what do I even do now? No. It's come to the point, if someone snaps on me on turn one, I know what's coming.
Cozy Snap:No, no, no. My, yeah, my Nico's got a hidden text, for sure. That, move right one card and change location first two turns, no matter what. Like, that's that, there's no question that's mine. I'm shocked. Yeah, I like Deadpool. I do. I, I like where he's at. I think he's only gonna get better, man, because of the movie coming out. It's just, at least that, that archetype. But my gosh, it's, Yeah, I disagree here, but this is the good point, like, this is what I love about Marvel Snap. People have cards that they absolutely hate, and then there's ones that others don't as much, but I think I'll go ahead and pick one that we can just kind of both say, yeah, hey. We both hate them together. Not seeing them maybe as much in all of my decks. But like, again, and we talk about something, we don't have to do this all the time. I just, Leech is, Leech is just always the one to kick the subject off with. Like, I've just, I've never feel great about playing this card. Never feels good. Never, like, I walk away from that game feeling like a hundred bucks. There are more decks right now that are playing things like Infinite, so you can kind of like, relish off the Leech the Leech, but can we both just nod our heads and move on from this guy.
Alexander Coccia:Listen, I'm actually, I have some complex thoughts about Leech and I'm not trying to like, bait community anger here or anything like that. But like lately I've kind of been happy Leech exists. Let me explain. Let me defend myself right off the top. Leech has given me the opportunity to counteract Hela in a way that makes sense. It's been a release valve that I feel like we've needed, but sometimes, when Lockjaw exists, and they're able to get Hela out anyway somehow, it's like, well, the Leech did nothing. But like, I totally understand why Leech is frustrating. It is super frustrating to play against. But this past week, with Hela being what it is, I have been able to say, you know what, Leech actually kind of makes sense right now. Like, this is kind of why Leech exists. Yeah. And yes, it's frustrating. But this week has been a perfect example of why Leech has to be in the meta.
Cozy Snap:I mean, it is why we have really you know, Valve cards, as we call them, right? Because if we do miss an OTA and things get out of hand, let's say it's Sera, we have Supergiant. If it's Leech, you know, if it's Blob, if it's whatever, we have Leech. So these cards exist for that reason. Hopefully we don't have too many OTAs where we skip them, because I think that, you know, the game's just much healthier, more fun, more experimented. If we do have the OTAs, but okay. I don't disagree with all that. I also just hate leech. So I'll
Alexander Coccia:move on from that. This variant. Like, I don't understand why you have this very favorited. I do not have a better variant.
Cozy Snap:No, no, no. It's now it's, it's strictly targeted just cause I know the hate fuels through you and I just want to get you all matching the color of your shirt there. Also, we're not matching, but we're close this time around. I I don't have an Adidas red. I'm going to have to add one to my, to my collection.
Alexander Coccia:I'm gonna get some stripes on you, bud. You looked great with them.
Cozy Snap:Well, let's let's go. Should we go to another hate or to our first love?
Alexander Coccia:I got a card we can hate. Let's do it. And I have an idea of how we can hate this card less. I've been thinking a lot about Lockjaw lately.
Cozy Snap:Dude, I have Lockjaw on my hate. Yep. Okay.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, you hate Lockjaw too? Okay. This season, yeah. I have always been a Lockjaw believer, but lately I'm just like, there's been this consistent thread of like, why does this deck annoy everybody? Why is this deck putting so much power out for free? Why is Thanos doing so Why is Hela doing Oh, it's look it's Lockjaw. Over and over again, it's Lockjaw that's cheating out all this power all the time. How can we fix this? It's obviously a problem. They approached the Lockjaw change by only allowing it to swing one at a time. That was specifically targeted towards Thanos, also including the Quinjet nerf at the time, which used to make the stones zero cost. Now you have, now you have Black Swan that makes them zero cost anyway, but that's a whole other conversation. But Koji, what do you think of this? Cause you hate, you hate Lockjaw too, right?
Cozy Snap:Well, I was gonna, yeah, I was going to say what I hate about Lockjaw quick. I just, what I was going to say quickly is my most hated Lockjaw cards aren't even like infinite coming out or anything like that. It's Kaiera, and it's Vision. Those are the two cards I hate coming out of it. Kaiera has made it to where, like, Lockjaw used to be like, Hey, get those Infidonts out. Fill the lane, buddy. I'm gonna kill them. Now you see the Infidont get cheated out, and you're like, I'm screwed. I have that lane. I cannot win against that lane. So Kaiera, I feel like, has made Lockjaw tough. And then, dude, Vision being nine power. When a Vision comes out of there, I'm like, The flexibility hurts, man.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, Vision's absolutely one of my favourite cards in the game, actually, he's written as my love card for my five costs, but, yeah, special shout out to Vision, but, what I was gonna say was, Kozy, you know, I got this, this amazing thought, I was thinking about, like, how would I fix Lockjaw? Tell me if you agree with this, every, make him like, I don't care what he made, make him a 3 5, make him a 3 4, sounds like a buff, but wait, every time you play into him, Okay? He loses two power. He actually, every time he swaps a card, he loses power. I came up with this idea because when I was watching Inhumans, part of the story, which was borderline non existent as it was, terrible show. Inhumans, he got tired. Like, Lockjaw got tired. There was actually, like, a storyline, Thread about how Lockjaw was tired and he had to be like recuperated. And so if he's constantly teleporting people, he should have a reduction of power for every time he rotates. Boom.
Cozy Snap:Balanced. Love it. I like it. I do. I think I think you're onto something because yeah, it's the effect is cool enough to keep in the game, right? But like, you're like, there needs to be that downside, right? Because most of the time you're getting infinite, you're getting vision, you're getting whatever. But if you happen to get a Power Stone, and then the Power Stone plays out, or let's even say Mind Stone, right? And then you get the Lockjaw Lost Power, like, hey, you took that risk, and that did, you know, that did hurt. Wasp is the same thing. I like it. I'm actually for that one. I actually, because it was on my hated list. I'm here for it, buddy, and I like it. Let's go ahead and talk about another hated card, I think. I don't know. It's funny enough, I don't hate Thanos right now, but I hate Blob. Blob I, I hate to love Blob. It's not a card that I want nerfed. You know, nothing like that. I think, again, it comes back to Kyera. But gosh, it just, man, I was playing some, some decks where, like, kind of the peak power I could get is, like, 22 in a lane, and I'm like, this isn't good enough. Like, my absolute pop off hand, where everything goes right. Still can't get, get, get above 22 in this certain deck. A blob just beats me. So Blob is pro. I I, I is where I'm gonna direct some hate right now.
Alexander Coccia:I, you know what? I don't hate blob, but I had this thought too, not to be like, I'm gonna be a balanced person today. But I had this other thought of a blob. I think the thing is that Blob now gets to like great power. Very strong power. But they still top deck.'cause the cards didn't get destroyed. I think you should still wipe the deck out. I still think you should just wipe the deck out.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Mm-Hmm? Yeah. Okay.
Alexander Coccia:I think the power of whatever cards he absorbed, up to 15 or whatever it is, and then they still can't topdeck. And I think that is like enough just to make him like, Now you're balanced, baby. Now, now you're where you have to be.
Cozy Snap:Okay, alright, hit me with one that you hate.
Alexander Coccia:You know what, can I move to love? There's a card I really want to talk about.
Cozy Snap:Which one? Hit me.
Alexander Coccia:Do you really want me to throw some hate down? Okay, okay, you want me to hate Koji? I'll hate. You want me to hate? This is a bit of a different one though, because like, I'm gonna talk about a card I hate playing, but I don't think it's a meta problem. Can I talk about how I just hate playing Mr. Negative? And I can't understand why people like playing Negative? I hate Negative! You, you have. People ask me to play Negative decks all the time. I'm like, I just, I hate the way this card plays. You know what playing Mr. Negative feels like? It feels like holding your breath for the entire game game for turn six or seven. That's what playing Mr. Negative is. It's like, do I draw a negative? Okay, I got him. Am I gonna get, like, the cards? Am I gonna play turn six or seven? That's what it feels like. It feels like you're constantly holding your breath to play this card. I can't stand the archetype. It just doesn't jive with me, so when we're talking hate, I just don't like playing Mr. Negative.
Cozy Snap:You've gone up and down with things like Thanos before. Like, I've seen you kind of go back. You have statistically just, like, have hated Negative. So, like, you've kind of always hated Negative. I'll give you that. You know what the problem with him now is, like, him and Hela and a couple other of these, like, kind of like, hey, you pop off decks had their, like, they all had their place, right? Now, Mr. Negative is the worst of that bunch. Although, I still think he is works in these Ravonna shells where you have an alternative option. But yeah, I mean, he is not in his best place right now. Funny enough, you said it's like, you don't hate, you don't think anything should happen to it, but you hate playing against it. I guess you said you hate playing this deck. You don't mind playing against it all the time. I don't, I don't hate this deck, really. But when I play against it, man, the Tribunal deck, there's nothing more I don't know about you, but when I don't have, like There's so many decks. If you don't have Enchantress, it's like, okay, cool. All right, we'll call it a day. It's over. It's done. You can just see it and you know, you know they've got the Onslaught and the Iron Man and no matter what, man, I should have paid more attention. My teacher was right. I miss the math every time. I'm like, it's 26 something. It's 20 and I'm always off. Every time, man.
Alexander Coccia:I always say 28. I'm always like, can I go 28 in two lanes? That's kind of what I do in my head. It's around 28, right? 26, 28. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sometimes 30 if they happen to get some better better luck. But yeah, like listen, Tribunal, I think the only thing keeping it in check right now, like it's really good. It's, it's the fact that there's Thanos everywhere. Like, Thanos Reality Stones takes a turn away from it if they try to limbo, right? So, like, I think that, like, Tribunal, if they nerf Thanos where Thanos falls off, Tribunal's gonna skyrocket, because, like, I do think that Tribunal is a very, very, very legitimate archetype, and I actually don't mind playing it.
Cozy Snap:I think it's pretty fun. Compared to Thanos, though, what I love about Tribunal, if it does take over, it's like, you have a direct answer, right? You have, like, people, Hela is, why Hela is kind of where it's at is You're taking away a lot of, like, the precision timing of skill and stuff with, with what Hela brings. Not saying that Hela decks don't have skill when you snap and when things happen, but there's definitely less of it, per se. And there's not an obvious counter. Like, there's some, but not a lot, right? Tribunal, if it rises to the top, we definitely have more than one release valve here, right? But those are my hated. And it's not that I, like, they need to be nerfed. None of them, actually. Maybe, maybe a point or two on Lockjaw and or Hela. I want to move to the love. Do you have any other hate to throw? Are you ready to go to the love fest? I'm ready to love. I'm ready to love. Hit me with the love.
Alexander Coccia:Alright, can I just say that I've been really, really, really loving Snowguard? And I know that's a bit random, but you know, Loki's kind of making a comeback, so I started playing Loki again. And like, I'm just like, I kind of forgot how much I love this card. Like, the utility of the hawk is absolutely incredible. And, listen, if there is like, Savage Land, and there's like, Raptors on the board, and I'm holding my bear, my papa bear, I'm throwing it on Savage Land, and I'm like, enjoy your raptor fiesta over there while I win that location, right? Like, I think it's such an amazingly versatile card, and it's unfortunate it's kind of pigeonholed into Loki a little bit. I would love to see Snogar being played outside of Loki. But honestly, how good is this card? It really is phenomenal.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, and I think when we get, like, Mockingbird and stuff, we'll talk about, like, Devil Dinosaur could find its own archetype outside of Loki, which I'm kind of looking forward to a bit, right? I like that a ton. Yeah, good pick. Kind of like one I wasn't expecting and definitely The bear and the hog, again, ton of fun. For me, man, I, like, I just talked about how Hela's so hard to address. The way that I've been addressing Hela hardcore is with, first of all, Alioth. And second of all, my first love card, and that's Negasonic. I have been enjoying these early, making the early turns matter, as Alex loves. Getting that quick priority, not letting them get ahead of that, maybe a super giant or whatever. And just sweeping the board, making sure that they don't even get to play these cards, and, and you make it very obvious where they're gonna play. I will stand on the hill that Mobius and Mobius, Negasonic, Legion, those kind of cards, these cards are the most slept on. These are just game, you need game changers. You need cards that are, can swing the game, and I think Negasonic's one of them.
Alexander Coccia:I think they're cube stealers too. Like people really sleep on like the amount of cubes that can be stolen from like cards, like Rogue, Negasonic, Legion. Like these are the cards that like, when people think they got a plan, it just gets ripped out from underneath. It's like the rug pull card, which I think is so good in Snap, right? Because like. It's, it's, it's the cubes that matter at the end of the day. People will go eight cubes and they're never saying, Oh, what if they Negasonic? It's just never happening.
Cozy Snap:Do you remember when when Goku and Gohan took on this Negasonic in DBZ? They had the Kamehameha against her her purple energy ball here.
Alexander Coccia:Is this before, is this like a Majin Negasonic?
Cozy Snap:Yes this is after the arc where, yeah, yeah, she kills She kills why can't I think of the little clown's name? What, what, what, what, Majin Buu? No, no, no, no, no, no, the little clown, the white one, who dies. Oh, Chiaotzu! Yeah, Chiaotzu. Sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I had a brain fart. Yes. Yeah, yeah, Negasonic kills her. Frieza joins up and they get together. You haven't seen that one? Have you seen that arc? You've seen them all.
Alexander Coccia:I've not, I've not seen that. We're going down some crazy fan fiction here, but I I've not seen it. I would love to see it though. It looks like she's actually charging up some sort of Kamehameha. She's got like the
Cozy Snap:Favorite DBZ character.
Alexander Coccia:Oh, it's Vegeta. It has to be Vegeta. It's always been Vegeta. I've got a Veg He's right there. You can see him. You can see him on the screen. Like, I got a Vegeta bobblehead. My brother got that for me like ten years ago.
Cozy Snap:I like the Vegeta pic. I do like Majima. I do like Buu a lot too. And then Broly, I've always had a thing for Broly too. I think he's just a He's a, he's a sick, he's a sick guy. And then they got like too powerful. They're on like SS 20 now, I think. Yeah.
Alexander Coccia:I've always, you know what? I really do like Trunks too. Actually right there on my shoulder is the history of Trunks DVD, right?
Cozy Snap:Hey, Sword Trunks is so sick. Yeah. His whole plot line. Awesome. Yeah. I love it. Shout out to DBZ fans out there. Hopefully we'll get a movie live. That dude, have you seen the live action movie? No, don't even have you seen, have you seen like the memes around it? There's a live action DBZ.
Alexander Coccia:I've seen it. It's old though. It's like 15 years old, isn't it?
Cozy Snap:I think you funded it. I think they had a 40 budget. Like, dude, there was Was that you? Was that a homemade movie?
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, yeah, actually. I made it on a camcorder in my high school.
Cozy Snap:It would be better than what's out there. If you ever wanted to just have the worst day of your life, I don't know why you'd choose to hate yourself that much, but go check out DBZ the remake. They ruined all canon. I think they're doing that now with like Avatar. And they did it with, One Piece 2.
Alexander Coccia:the last airbender or the super tall blue guys?
Cozy Snap:No, no, no, no. The last airbender. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They did the They redid One Piece after I thought they could do it too, but I think it kinda kinda didn't work out.
Alexander Coccia:See, I don't really know anime at all. Like, anime is one of those things I've not watched.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love how you say Pokemon and anime. It's great.
Alexander Coccia:Well, I'm just speaking exactly how it's spelled. I don't quite understand what the problem is. People actually came after me, like, I'm talking about all these Pokemans I love, and everyone's all upset with me. I, listen, I love Bulbasaur. I don't know what, like, it's one of my favorite Pokemon in the, in the world. I mean, he's got the Vine Whip, special move. Creates, he creates, like, ladders for, for people when they're in sinking ships. Have you not seen the episode? Bulbasaur's an absolute champ.
Cozy Snap:I love Alex Coccia. Hi, buddy. Hit me with another love.
Alexander Coccia:Alright, I want to show some love for one of my favourite 6 drops in Marble Snap, or the most consistent 6 drops in Marble Snap, and that is Magneto. Tell me that this card is just not a perennial absolute champion. Like, this card needs no changes, needs no nerfs, needs no buffs. It has been the same card since Beta, and it is just incredible. I never, ever feel bad about playing Magneto. And even when it gets like, piggied, or even when it gets like, something happens to it, I'm like Still 12 power, still pretty good. I love this card so much, it is an absolute god tier card.
Cozy Snap:Magneto's a card I love that I just don't play. Like, I love him! Yes! But I just don't play him. I don't, like, I don't find him in a lot of my decks and, like, if you make specific decks, like, around him, he's so good. He's so good. Every now and then I'll get into, like, a Magneto control deck, but yeah, yeah, I, I agree. He's a good card.
Alexander Coccia:Very. Any time I've been defaulting on, like, you know how, like, you often default to, like, Dr. Doom? Like, that's kind of, like, it's like, I need a six drop. I'll just Doom, right? I mean, lately you've been like, I'll just Agatha, but that's a whole other conversation. Hey, hey, listen. I love that deck, by the way, dude. That was an absolute fire list.
Cozy Snap:But. She's on my love list. Okay. She's on my love list. I knew she was going to. You called it Hopium! You called it Hopium, and I think it works. Is it exactly a meta breaker? No. Is it a good deck? Some would argue no. Probably no, but dammit, Alex, was she fun, man? It was so, it was so fun, dude. I'm telling you, when you do the twist drop streams, you gotta try it out. You gotta do a little Agatha Love.
Alexander Coccia:That was one of your best videos in a while. Like, I absolutely loved it. It was so phenomenal, and like, the thing about it too is like, it's so soul crushing. I'll tell you what's soul crushing about Agatha. It's not playing the Agatha, it's losing and watching Agatha come down on turn 6 and realizing you just lost to an Agatha deck. That's the moment where you're like, okay, alright, I need to put this game down for a bit and walk away.
Cozy Snap:The highs are high. The highs are high, the lows are low. Yeah, the highs are high, the lows are low, but with Agatha, funny enough, like, the card that, with her, it, it Leader is what made me enjoy Agatha a ton because he answers a lot of decks right now, man. Like, Destroy, Poppin Down the Knoll. I'm like, fantastic, man. I'll throw down a Leader. Like, he Man, I want to play more Leader. I want to dedicate more of my time to more Leader. I think he is just not played enough.
Alexander Coccia:You know, it's one of those things where like, be careful what you wish for, like Cozy talked about how Leader has to make a comeback. When Leader makes a comeback, everyone's gonna be so friggin upset, so. Maybe we temper our expectations a little bit, maybe we shouldn't have brought, maybe cut this part out of the episode. Because like, if Leader makes a comeback, people are gonna tilt out of their mind.
Cozy Snap:Fair enough, fair enough. I, listen, I already talked about Supergiant enough, she's on my list. Agent Colson, as always. Anything else before we go into Best Decks?
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, I want to just give a special shout out to a card that got buffed. It was one of the most fantastic buffs Marvel Snap has ever done. It has a remarkable impact on the game and no one complains about it. Cause it's absolutely fair and it's magic. I just want to give a special shout out to magic. I think this change has been one of the best. It's aged like absolute wine. What a great change they made. Really creates a new dimension of gameplay. It's susceptible to all these different things. You're never just making Limbo and just like, Oh, I got turn seven, baby. Let's go. It's like, there's always risks associated with it. I think this is one of the best cards in Snap right now from just a pure, it's fair. It's awesome. I just love magic. I think it needs some respect.
Cozy Snap:Great take. No, honestly, good take. Like I do. I think Limbo is definitely just like a fun location. Feels good out on three. Like, I don't know why. Dude, it was a five cost. That's so weird. That is like, that's so insane to think about. This is definitely, definitely where Magic, you know, belongs, ultimately. With that though, dude, let's, let's go ahead and hop to our last subject. It's Infinity Conquest week. All right, the meta right now, as we've already talked a lot about it, so we can kind of maybe rapid fire a bit more. Thanos, Hela, those are kind of the top two heavy punchers right now. I think we can all agree on that because of just their consistency. The cards coming out around them. Those are going to be some better decks. In Infinity Conquest though, you know, things are different. We know Sera Control and Loki come some of the decks. You know that definitely if you got a bit more high skill those are the ones to play, to target to really use things in, in a defensive manner in a lot of ways, you know, sometimes in those decks right now loki's the worst card in the deck and he just helps you win if you need to switch and, and the deck's appropriate, right? So those are the first two that come to my mind when I'm going into Infinity Conquest. What else you got out there?
Alexander Coccia:Listen, I do think that right now Annihilus as a whole is being slept on. I think it's seeing, it's criminally underplayed. It's win rates are approaching like 59 percent in some circumstances. And like, it's really, it's Annihilus plus anything you want. Like you just add Annihilus, Sentry and Hood into a deck and you're just laughing. I am enjoying the shells that include the. The Darkhawk package, I like the disruption of Darkhawk, I like the play of Annihilus, you got the vertical power, but in Conquest, Infinity Conquest specifically, you have to be a little wary of the Serra Control style decks, because they will pump that Darkhawk, they will kind of be a little more problematic for those early point getters, especially like, Sentry's gonna be susceptible to something like a Shan Qi, But, listen, like, even if Sentry gets punched out, like, the Void, they can't deal with it very effectively. It's still a big power swing, so I really do like Annihilus going into this Infinity Conquest week.
Cozy Snap:Two quick notes on this, this might be the most interesting Infinity Conquest, because Sera always reigns in Infinity Conquest. However, guys, listen, Sera's number one weakness, number one right now is Hela. She can't deal with it, it's very tough. And so, because Hela's gonna be played a ton, I'm wondering if this will be a very interesting Infinity Conquest because of that. And to your point, 100%. Why? Because Century forces players to like Annihilus is kind of a control card. It forces people to play right. You're kind of making them adjust their game plan, which is like Just part of the package, and then you can do the crazy, you know, Swap things, and the hood is always just a great turn one play. And then it's just, you get the demon as well, the 1 6, it all kind of marries together perfectly. I agree, and Nihilist's balance especially is probably my favorite. We talked about Destroy, obviously doing really well right now. If you play Destroy in Infinity Conquest, you're probably gonna do, you know, pretty good. Probably throw in one or two, maybe, maybe a card in there they don't expect. Maybe a tech card, Alex. Zabu, Xiongqi, the double fours. That's what rules the week, typically, though.
Alexander Coccia:No, absolutely. Like when, if you're going to play Zabu, Shanchi, you may as well add Ironlad in there, get some value. Right. It's just, listen, like talk about Hela too. I got, I got to say something about Hela. It's been driving me nuts. Even if you try to counter Hela with Cosmo, you play the Cosmo onto the Lockjaw location, and then they like. Bring out a Giganto and you're like, great. And I can't even shun she that like, it's like, you're just, it gets you on every edge. Right. And I do a special show to talk about decks going into this week that I think are major climbers at a 57 percent win rate right now in a phenomenal cube rate is Galactus. Can you believe Galactus making a comeback in a Ravona shell? It's actually run once again, running a Nihilus, but you have a Ravona based shell with Galactus. Beautiful, beautiful deck right now. And people just aren't expecting Galactus. Very high cube rate.
Cozy Snap:Let me hear from you and the audience. I I'm gonna throw this out there because I think we actually brought this up. Maybe it was the last snapshot, maybe a couple of times ago. A 2 2, Cosmo. What do you think? Do you think, I feel like Cosmo is the weakest tech card right now. Like, I don't think it's close.
Alexander Coccia:I think you gotta be very careful with Cosmo. I know. If you, yeah, I think you probably leave it where it is, because if Cosmo is able to be slipped in everywhere, then it's really problematic. But, it does have a location specific effect. And two two's bad. See, two is bad stat can honestly
Cozy Snap:two, two is not a good stat line. Like arm is a two three. Right? Like I, yeah, I think it would be a fun experiment for an OTA possibly because we just don't see a lot of co It is a card you need to be careful with no question. Yeah, obviously. Dark ho two point. You know, the, the beta ray deck is great also without question. We also have the dark cock leach to your point to handle, you know, the blob that takes Fantastic against Hela and Thanos Man. And like, you have the Darkhawk for the Thandos, just to get huge, but then you also have the Leech to handle, you know, the rest of it. Last two decks though, Alex, we're gonna talk about, obviously, turn seven, Sheena. You just talked about magic. That deck's just so, so good. The high EVO days, just roll with that if you guys want kind of an easy glide. That deck kind of held its own for a long time in Conquest. And then finally, man I would say Daredevil Control doesn't get enough respect. We kind of did a lot of control going into the season, but man, you know, you can throw in so many different cards. Professor X is awesome against Hela, and yes, it's not the best card, but you have a lot of ways, like Miss Marvel, you have to get back in there. The Classic Days, you have the Alive. That's just not getting enough respect either, buddy. No question.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, honestly, that's a great call to Pro X not being expected, not being played very often. And if you're looking to counter Hela too, it's a bit riskier, but we talked about it before. I do think Tribunal is interesting. You kind of negate like it's their pop off decks, right? And Tribunal, because of the way it just kind of attacks all the locations, Hela, it's kind of out of their hands a little bit. They can go very vertical. But they're going to need like, Infinite and Giganto to land in a lane together to top off at 30 power, right? So, like, I do think that, like, there is potential there to actually get some good stats on the board and just play your game and let them, let RNG do its thing. And hopefully it goes against the Hellfire, which if you're me, it'll never will. But I do think Tribunal is pretty interesting in this meta right now, too.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, play Cosmo with that if you're going into Infinity Conquest. That way you're not, like, completely dead to something like, say, a Control. You got to get five matchups in your favor, and sometimes it can be tough in there. But either way, guys. Those are the decks that I would play in Infinity Conquest. They're approximately midnight coming out, so Discard is surely going to find its way in there as well. We already talked about the stats.
Alexander Coccia:Cozy? Crazy Week in Snap. Crazy Week. We've had the emergence of Discard as a legitimate shell. Hella all over the place. Raining down Chaos, raining down Gigantos and Infonauts. But it's been Corvus Glaive that's been the new addition to Marvel Snap. The new addition to Discard. The new addition to Ramp? It seems like it's kind of been tested everywhere, so I'd be really interested on your first impressions, and, well, actually, your tested impressions now of Corvus Glaive.
Cozy Snap:Dude, I like Corvus. I'm telling you, remember we were both on, you know, different sides of the fence? I think day one, people were like, eh, he's okay, and then day two, day three, we're starting to see him a bit more. I actually want to give him more credit in his flexibility. Thanos Corvus is working out. Obviously, Ramp Corvus, and then we've seen him in Discard, and he's only going to blossom there. But Ramp, and then Agatha. But Ramp you gotta like it because it's what I kinda thought were you know, you have so many strong 6 cost cars, 5 cost cars in their own right. And then now you've got this combo for Ramp that if you get the Corvus into Hela, GG. Like, you know what I mean? Like, Ramp Dex, it used to be like, oh, Odin, Doom, GG. Now it's, you have this like, super reliable playline that you're gonna be able to pull off. Especially if you can do Sandman, it's against the right matchup. We're gonna break this out, obviously it's our in review, but I I was surprised by him. What was your kind of consensus on the card?
Alexander Coccia:I was surprised too. I came in at two stars. I'm definitely higher now, but like, I'm leaning towards like 3 4. 3 4. Definitely maybe towards the 4 side, because he's been a lot more versatile than I expected. Now, what you were referring to in the ramp decks, there was a bunch of different ramp decks going on, but one that, like, I designed that I thought was really cool, with a really cool pop off, was if you play Corvus Gleave And then you play Hela and then you play Odin on top of those two. You double proc the Corvus Glaive and then you bring back the two cards you just discarded again. And which is, I thought it was pretty cool. I thought it was a really neat effect. And because of the amount of power you're putting on the board so early, you would have had initiative, you're dodging Alioth, a lot of interesting stuff from that perspective. But what I really liked about it in Discard, now Discard did not necessarily, I don't know about how you felt about this, I almost never needed the extra energy. On occasion, I was like, Oh. Look at that. I can actually play out my swarm with that. I just top decked and still actually hit my APOC with Dracula or like, I found ways to use the extra energy, but it couldn't reliably like be like, Oh, I'm going to have this extra energy on turn seven. This is going to be my pop off play. Kind of the same way you can like, well, when I have turned seven and destroy, I'm going to be playing, you know, no, and I'm going to be playing Deadpool or like, there's this, or, you know, Arnim Zola Deadpool or whatever. Like there's a pop off play. I don't feel like Discard needed that. Like, I don't know if you agree or not.
Cozy Snap:It's just kind of like the way the game works out. So, like, not every game, but I felt like I had a good amount, either through, like, Helicare giving me stuff and Collector, or maybe I did, like, Meek Modok, or, like, there, there were times it didn't, but there were a lot of times where I got to play two cards that I didn't necessarily have that privilege beforehand. It, it, it doesn't work like Destroyer. It's not as like, maybe fluid as Destroyer is. But I, I continue to think extra energy is always a good thing. Especially, man, in my Agatha deck. Not to keep bringing that up, but the Sunspot. I love there. I love that Sunspot to keep soaking that up. And that way you're not like, freaking out if you don't get that extra energy spend. And you're getting a very reliable sunspot at that. That felt really good all the way around. So I get your point, and I think it's only gonna kinda go up with Proxima. But the dis Funny enough, the discard list took more time to form this week than the ramps.
Alexander Coccia:Absolutely. No, the ramp decks were kind of off the top. I think, wow, this kind of feels way better than expected. Like it felt way better than expected. Like, I don't know how else to say it. And I think what really helped too, is that you had all these different ramp options. And like ramps always was like one of those cards were like, Oh man, I didn't draw either my electro or my wave. I'm just screwed. Like my whole game plan is just destroyed. I get to play a card on turn five. Great. Like I just lose. This card gave you that additional reliable option. If you're discarding cards, yeah, even if you discard your Hela, like, you're still playing a Magneto, you're still playing Doctor Doom, you're still playing these massive game breaking cards in their own right. Like, you got, you just had these powerful shells, and even Arrow was making a comeback in those decks as well. We saw some Sandman iterations. There was a lot of really interesting stuff happening.
Cozy Snap:This was, I think, our most disagreed card in quite some time. Like, we really did not see eye to eye, necessarily, on Corvus. And there was a couple games I'm like, oh, maybe he does suck. Like, at first, at the beginning, you know what's cool about him though, is I think, I don't know about you, but like, I felt like there was so many six cards, there's six costs, that I'm like, oh yeah, let's get this, let's get that. Five costs, there's a few, there's a few, there's definitely really good ones. But like, as we continue to get 5 costs that are pretty impactful, I think Corvus also could get bumped up a bit. And I, I'm not maybe the craziest on that all in Hela lockjaw, but I do, I love Hela when you're not playing a Hela deck. Like, when it's just like this kind of nice side, and then the opponent, you know, they see you get rid of Hela, and they're like, Ha ha! It's over! I'm gonna snap, double down, and you're like, that was really just an extra cherry on top. Personally, that's where I think Hela feels the best. It's like a safe Hela I guess is the term. But yeah, Corvus, Corvus definitely definitely, I don't know if he exceeded my expectations because I had higher ones. But I do think maybe, maybe around that 4 star and him and Proxima are going to be together. You know, all the time now, moving forward.
Alexander Coccia:He should even be better with Proxima, theoretically, right? And one thing I want to mention is, I'd be interested in your comparison here. So, MODOK versus Corvus Glieb. I had this thought, and I think that I really preferred Corvus over Hellcow. And let me explain. Oh, yeah. When you have Hellcow on turn four You're often drawing into your Hella. You're drawing into your Modok. You're drawing into something else. I found myself on turn three, holding cards, being like, I can discard these. Like I'm not asking like, I, I, Oh, I don't have my Hella yet. Or I don't have my Modok yet. I can play Corvus and not be too worried about what I'm discarding. And I felt like that was actually valuable. The fact that he's played a turn earlier and you can top deck additional cards and discard and maybe pull that Hella, maybe pull that Modok or whatever happens to be, it felt better to me. So I actually felt like this, in some weird way, was like, it's stepping on Hellcow's toes, like I just, I feel like I don't play Hellcow anymore and I just play Corvus Glaive.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, I mean you get the 8 power and whatnot, but it is definitely, I do Corvus, Hellcow wasn't getting a lot of play, now it's, I think it's just Corvus is the way you gotta go, but I do, I think there's something to be said about maybe playing both Corvus and Hellcow. If you're going all in on that, kind of, like, maybe that MODOK deck we were talking about on my side, where it's like, you're kind of just trying to get rid of everything. Like, maybe that has some synergy there. But hey, can I just say, like, I love that Helicarrier has made its, like, we've got a deck now with, it collected, dude, that was a full meme deck. You know a complete meme deck, and now we, we have this kind of cool option style of play deck. And we're able to introduce a lot of different flavors of discard, especially with Corvus in there, buddy. So yeah, I completely agree to that note, man, in my ramp decks that I was building out with them, right? Like, Electrowave, Corvus, they were the only cards that I had at those costs. Everything else was just high fives and sixes. But it works because you need one. You need one of those cards to get the Snowball off the hill. You don't, you're out of there. It's better than Conquest in my opinion, but I love easy, identified, snap decks that make it simple. You don't have to think about 90 playlines. It's cross your fingers for a three cost.
Alexander Coccia:The thing that gives me a little bit of pause with Corvus, and I'd be interested in your take on this, is I had this thought. I was like, is Corvus actually as good as we think it is, or is it because Hela and Discard are just straight popping off right now? Like if you, if you take a little bit off Hela and Discard, there's a nerf that happens, or like we were missing some of the tools that we've gotten over the last little bit. Does Corvus actually have the impact that it has? Or is this a card that feels good to play because it's being carried by archetypes that are just carrying without him anyways?
Cozy Snap:I don't think they adjust Hela's ability. If anything, they adjust the power. I do think what you're saying is true, like, we do see that. But I, I think he has submitted his place in R. A. M. P., right? Like, maybe you would play a Psylocke there. Now it's like, why would this is, this is much more worth it. And we're gonna keep getting six car like, Red Hulk's coming out. Like, we're gonna keep getting these cars that just kinda like, you're obviously gonna wanna play. Discard time will tell. But I think with Proxima, same thing. You're gonna want to use Corvus. So I do think he stays. I think he is going to be relevant in that style. You know what I think we need, more than like Hella getting a nerf, maybe? Is, stature is a great way to punish discard. We need another stature of sorts, right? Like another something. Is that a, that's a release valve, right? Like, I don't know about you, if Hela, you're like, Oh cool, you got two statures, like one stature, whatever, Miles Morales. That's not enough to compete with Hela, right? But if you have an, if you have another card, that might be able to benefit off this card, you know. Thing that your opponent is trying to kick off. You might have another release valve there.
Alexander Coccia:Statue is one of those cards. I don't feel confident playing defensively. Like I don't put stature in a deck thinking that, Oh, discards popular. And I'm going to get a low cost stature. I have discard on my deck. Cause I'm playing Samurai. I'm playing black bolt. And if it's just gravy on top, if they discard themselves and I get to play it out early and I don't drop. My cards or whatever, but it doesn't feel like it's it's not good enough to just hold on to Like it's not good enough just to include in your deck Like I think more Mobius and Mobius you can include in your deck even if they're not playing so because it's a bit more of a catch all whereas Stature is way too niche, and I feel like you kind of need your offensive weapons to make it worthwhile, though I understand what you're saying.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, I want more of that, right? In a sense, to help against Hela, or whatever that might be. Instead of maybe, hey, let's get rid of that archetype and people enjoying that, let's just find more ways to say, hey, if you want to counter it, if you're not enjoying it, play this instead. Is my personal thought. But yeah, final ranking, man. I like Corvus. I think he's cool and it's exciting. I'm excited now because I dumped all my energy in the ramp aspect in Agatha. But now, I'll be going to Discard this week.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, like, I think that Discard's really going to benefit from, from Corvus Glaive. And you didn't give your star rating officially, by the way. You've done this a couple weeks in a row. You're like, I like him. You didn't actually say it hard. Like, you didn't give the number. You didn't give the stars. Out of 5, Cozy?
Cozy Snap:I think I gave him a 4 star, maybe 3. 5 last week. I'll give him a 4. I've played with him enough, especially right now in the decks that he's in and because of that flexibility and fun, like, honestly, I always rate on competitive fun, flexibility, he knocks those all out in a good way.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, no, he definitely has been fun. And it's, it was surprising to see him actually doing as well in ramp and some other archetypes as well. And His win rates have been pretty good. You're looking in the mid fifties for a lot of the decks he's in. He's in, he's been in top performing shelves, including Thanos, right? Include obviously with Hela as well. And you mentioned that you don't think Hela can be nerfed. I think they could, I think they could actually put a cap on how many cards she brings back.
Cozy Snap:I hope not. I hope not. I don't, I like as much as I don't. I don't necessarily love a meta. I'm not annoyed with her quite yet. I had her on my hated cards, but it's also like, I think it's like, how long this is gonna go on, per se. After a while, there could be fatigue there, but I don't know, man. I, I really hope they don't cap it. It, it would just make it clunky. It'd make it super clunky, and it's like, I don't know. That's my personal, personal thoughts on that, but we'll have to see, man. OTAs. We know Glynn is not afraid. To pull some triggers if he has to. So I will tell.
Alexander Coccia:I've always been of the belief that I'd prefer, I'd prefer that players get the opportunity to design counters, to work with the release valves, like as I talked about with leech, right? Like I've been incorporating leech and more decks. I know that like sucks. I hate playing leech myself, but like, Hela is popular, I'm gonna include Leech. Like, that's how I deal with it, right? And like, I think that as you incorporate more release files into the game over time, I think the need to like, well, we got our dresses with OTA right now because this is out of control, it gets mitigated. Because of a Saradex ever going insane, we, we have the tool. We have Supergiant. We have Mobius and Mobius. We've got answers. And so let the players Nerf the card. With, with strategic deck building, right? So, Hela is a little trickier. We don't have as many options, but hey, maybe in due time we will. But oh, Corvus Glaive, I would agree. We have three, four stars. I would lean towards four stars. And for the record, Cozy, you're right. I was a little low on it. And I should, I should just, we should just kind of get that just copied. Cozy, you're right, because I think I say that a million times.
Cozy Snap:No, man, I suck. I have a million bad takes. And listen, Grandmaster is still a fresh wound. So yeah, I, I which I still love, but he's just, you know, he fell short a bit, so.
Alexander Coccia:Buddy, I'm with you. I still love Grandmaster 2. I still think the best decks, like with Grandmaster, haven't been figured out yet.
Cozy Snap:Game 5, you know, it's like, I'm not playing him as much. He'd be like probably more of a 4 right now. But I do think, you know, he's got the time ahead. But I appreciate that. Appreciate the love. Lucky guesses, guys. Lucky guesses.
Alexander Coccia:I guess last season, I did hit Kaiera as a 5. And I think that card's been good. It's been in so many different decks. So not to flex on Cozy a little bit, but you know, Kaiera. Miss Marvel. Chef's kiss miss. Oh, yeah, you're bringing up the miss Marvel emotional damage. I had my moment cozy. I won't even edit it out I'll leave it in I'll leave the chirp in but that takes us to the top 10 discard cards in Marvel snap now We got some good feedback in the last top 10 we do so once again cozy and I we made a combined Top 10 list. I was actually kind of laughing because we were pretty far apart on some cards and we had to have a bit of a debate about like where we're going to decide the cards are going to be and stuff like that. It's a tough list. I still think you're sleeping on a couple, but let's start with some of our honorable mentions, Cozy.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of discard cards and this will speak to it because there's a couple we left out. That's all right. How did you not? And it makes sense in the long run. One that I probably would have snuck into mine. Didn't make it in ours is Gambit. I, I just feel like what Gambit brings to the game. Is one of those big turn swings. I get it, I get he can mess you up, but we're kind of leaning more towards that angle and We're not seeing these armor yeah, Kaeyra, I get it, but like, man, getting rid of that Lockjaw early, being able to play it late, being able to play it early, maybe Grandmaster. I'm loving Gambit, I'm sad he's not on our top ten, but definitely an honorable mention.
Alexander Coccia:I'm a Gambit lover as well, but you nailed it, right? The prevalence of Kaeyra has had a definite hamper on Gambit, for sure. You're not even seeing much armor. I've actually I'll be fully like, full disclosure, I've been cutting Kaeyra on a lot of my decks, including armor. Yeah. Because of the prevalence of Destroy, and the fact that it can be used offensively. And yeah, Gambit's being hit negatively by Kaiera and the amount of usage it's getting, but I mean, I love the card, I love the flavour, and it's a great card. Just like Ghost Rider is an absolutely fantastic card that doesn't make the cut for us in the top ten, but deserves some honourable mention, especially since it was trashed here for the longest time, but it gets buffed by Association thanks to well, Black Knight.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, Black Knight, this is another really tough one to leave off, just because Ghost Rider can feel amazing, it can also feel very lackluster. It just depends on the way the game Like like, Black Knight deck players are like, What the hell? Is this a top three card? I totally understand. When you look at What Alex and I broke down earlier, there's like four different play types of discard now. Like, we got to look at all of them, and all the decks that you can play, and this is where, kind of, we felt like he, he maybe worked his way in here. Even cards like Colleen Wing, man, we didn't have on the list. You know, that little, little shock there for some people. Black Hat is kind of, you know, finding its way in Hella decks, but very pigeonholed in, in some ways there with the, with the Black Knight and Hella. But number 10, what did make that list? What came in at 10?
Alexander Coccia:That's so funny to bring this card up again, but it's Corvus Glaive! Corvus Glaive coming in at number 10.
Cozy Snap:And we have it this low only because this is the week he gets to earn and submit his spot much higher than this. You know what I mean? He's a ramp card as far as I'm concerned. But he's about to be a discard card massively. By the way, I hate the discard card. I just hate that on titles. I hate that in top. But anyway, I think that this is gonna be the week where he could shoot up big time. We're just gonna have to see that synergy. Obviously, Proxima we're not gonna have on today's list. But yeah, I think he was an easy like we got to include him at least because He's a 3 5, and he's doing great things.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, he's doing phenomenal things, and honestly, he knocks off Hellcow. Like, he just makes, I mentioned it, like, I feel like I don't need to play Hellcow, because I have Corvus Gleave in there. Why, why play Hellcow, like, when I can just play Corvus?
Cozy Snap:Hellcow's not our one, I thought. You're gonna have to send me a new list. I thought
Alexander Coccia:No, this isn't a variant tier list.
Cozy Snap:Oh, okay. Okay. Oh, okay. What's nine?
Alexander Coccia:What's nine variant to your list or real tier list?
Cozy Snap:Oh, dude, we gotta do a vari. I know. We, we, we don't do variance talk here a lot guys.'cause it's a podcast first, video second, right. But we might have to do like our, our top 10 and we just have Alex break it down in asmr as we go through our top 10 variants. At this point, it's been, you know, a year and a half. We gotta, we gotta show off some of our collection.
Alexander Coccia:Actually, Discard does have some of the best pixel variants. It has the MODOK, which is absolutely one of the best, and the HELLCOW, which is like, they're basically one and two. Like, they have to be, in terms of the the actual quality, but Number nine on our Discard list is SWARM. The 2 3 that replicates in the hand, and it's making a comeback with Collector making a comeback in some Discard shells as well. And I gotta tell you, SWARM's been one of those cards I really like. We're not seeing a lot of Triple M, which obviously takes a Big steamer on top of Swarm, but listen, I love this card. I've, I always have, it gives a lot of versatility. And when you're pumping Swarms, that means your your Mobius is big. Maybe your Apocalypse is big. You got all these additional options.
Cozy Snap:You know, Swarm, I have love and hate for because I feel like Swarm was a better card a year ago than it is today because of the decks that are out now. Right? Like you used to get a couple free Swarms and you're like, nothing can beat this lane now. And now it's like, you can stack four and you're like, I. It's not looking great, like, that, so, you got that, you have the Dracula thing going against you, but, because it's just like, working with the synergy of the deck, and it's also a safe option, and you're building up other cards, fully agree but you know what I mean, how like, it's just not quite as good as maybe it used to be?
Alexander Coccia:It's because of the Chavez nerf. I don't want to bring it up again, but like, the Chavez nerf completely changed the way Discard was played. You had all these free Swarms, you had the Apocalypse in hand, Dracula on the board, Chavez played down on turn six. You had Chavez, all the Swarms, and the hit on the Apocalypse. That's why your turn six felt so powerful. And then when you got rid of Chavez, you got rid of that Apocalypse style synergy, which made Swarm feel worse. It all comes down to Chavez. Like, that original dependable discard, these cards don't feel as good because of the Chavez change.
Cozy Snap:Yep. Okay. Yeah, I can get behind that. So Sorma's number 9. Number 8, Alex?
Alexander Coccia:Number 8, we have Blade! Talk about one of the best buffs in a while. Buffing Blade was such a great move. Took it from just hitting Hella every single time to hitting the right most card. And I don't know about you, Cozy, but when I'm playing discard, I'm like Holding Blade. I'm like, what am I topdecking? I actually kind of want to topdeck something chonky so I can hit it. Where's the Giganto? Where's and it's just Hela every time anyway, but I've actually really liked Blade. This is a very elegant buff, dependable discard, got a little bit of an extra tool, and 1 3 power is pretty fair.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, I like one drops. That immediately can start the game off with a bang, right? You don't have that with a lot, but like, Nico, for sure. Even Zero to an extent, if you have like, Ebony or whatever for the next play, maybe Lizard. You're like, okay, I get to start off on the higher edge. Maybe even Agent 13 to go down that track and get a random card. But Blade, it's like, you open up and you have the right, you know, especially now with like, Proxima. You have an opening play. I'd probably snap on that play. If I have like, one more card that I like in the hand, and I can play Blade to get Proxima to come out on turn one. I mean, like, dude, that's a 10 power play on turn one. A 10 power play on turn one! So, like, that's where I think there's a lot of cool things to come, and Blade definitely is one of my faves.
Alexander Coccia:And we talked about luck earlier in the episode, and the luck continues. When a Black Knight player snaps on me, the next turn is Blade hitting Infinite, 20 power sword every single time. I just cry in real life. What am I gonna do? Every time. And yeah, Blade's been a good one. Very elegant change to what was probably one of the worst cards in Marvel Snap for a long time.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, my gosh, like Swordmaster, but I don't want to cause so bad. What do we got at what are we on? 7?
Alexander Coccia:7! Now this, okay, this middle ground, 7, is where Cozy and I were in fierce debate. Fierce debate. Now, we settled on 7 being this absolute chad. Apocalypse! Cozy! I actually wanted Apocalypse higher! But you were determined to keep Apocalypse at number 7, because you thought there was a couple bangers on the list that had to go higher. But sell me on why Apocalypse deserves this absolute open disrespect.
Cozy Snap:Oh man, I think you wanted him one spot higher, Alex, alright? I mean, I, listen, I think he's great. Out of the four discard lists we talked about, he's in two of them, okay? You're not really playing him all the time, but the threat of him's there. He can just take a hit, which is fantastic. He works with Collector, he does a lot of cool things. He can certainly go better, I think, actually, outside of the top, like, two cards. All of these are very fluid, guys, no question. We could, you could, you could have him at three, and I wouldn't be like, You're insane, I just the games that you play him and the tools you need for discard to work this is kind of where I have him, the, the card that I had right above him is the one where Alex and I were kinda going back and forth on on importance, but Apoc, man, I, I think he's even better now. I think the importance now, behind him, of having a good hit, It's gonna feel great.
Alexander Coccia:It's like the only reason why APOC is good is because the good discard cards are good. The cards we're gonna talk about next are the ones that make APOC feel great. And if they weren't as good as they were, then APOC wouldn't be as good as he is. So, like, that is the one sell for Cozy's Open Disrespect of Apocalypse, but I also love the con like, reading the comics, like, reading the, like, the Kang comics and stuff like that. Like, Apocalypse finds these ways to, like, just slide into a lot of the lore. Seems like he's everywhere. Oh, he's immortal. So I guess he has a lot of time on his hands, but Apocalypse is a really cool character as well. And that takes us. To number six, Cozy, Dracula. Dracula. You really fought hard for this one.
Cozy Snap:This is, I, this had to be above APOC, because I feel like, what are you doing with APOC? You're trying to get into Dracula. The threat of Dracula, the way you get to play the game after having him down the way you can set up your decks, and moving forward, it just allows much sleeker turns, in my opinion. And most notably, just being able to play MODOK late feels, feels good. So yeah, I have Dracula as just a very Important imperative card in a lot of these lists.
Alexander Coccia:Oh, I couldn't agree more. Like it is imperative. It's an expensive card to play. It feels like one of those cards, like, Oh, you play it down and you only got one power, but like, you just got to dream about what turn six looks like, right? What the end of the game looks like. And it's. What happened though was, like, with Alioth, giving up initiative was extremely tricky with something like Dracula, right? Because you're giving up that initiative and Alioth can punish you for it. But we're seeing a decrease in Alioth play, which gives Dracula a little more room to breathe. What is, what's your take on the the buffer change, I should say, to making the power kind of be gained? So that extra one power actually matters.
Cozy Snap:I always saw it as a, as just a buff. I mean, you'd like to think about the games where it's like, The Jotunheim game, I won a four cuber on it that once. It's just statistically better. I mean, it's just statistically better. Like, I love the fact that if it kills Proxima, he's an 8, like, not a 7. And, and, and continue to kinda even swarm. He's a 4, which 4 4 is obviously bad, but it's not like, end of the world, right? I, this has always been above, and it's definitely felt pretty good. We also got the Pixel version of him this week. I liked how when they did the Pixel album, they did all the discards. That was fun. That was a cool way to do it, yeah.
Alexander Coccia:That was a nice touch, I did like it too and I mean listen, I think we need more Pixel albums cause it takes the tilt out of collecting these Pixels a little bit. We're seeing a change of Pixel, I think some people are starting to turn around on Pixel. I know Glenn, when he posts decks on Twitter and stuff like that, like they're all Pixels. Glenn's a believer in Pixels, I know that, so maybe we can turn the tides on the aesthetics of Marvel Snap. Number 5 this was one that I actually wanted higher, but Koji's like, no. I'm overruling you. This card's good, but it's not higher than five, and that's a Lady Sif. Yeah, you're right. Yeah, and I think she's making a comeback, man. She's making a huge comeback. We got Helicarrier making a comeback, Apoc. There's so many reasons to play Lady Sif.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, this was, remember when I, I, okay, you're not telling the full story, you know? I was like, hey, I like that Lady Sif up there. She's so interesting, right? Because you have a guaranteed, like, setup card. Like, that's the best part about her. And her stats are awesome. But when I think about the decks I've been playing, I've been cutting Sif more and more. And that's maybe because of Hela, and maybe because of Corvus, and whatnot. Dude, again, it feels great, but even in decks where it's like, I have APOC and I can play Lady Sif just to build him up, I'm like, well, what if I did XYZ instead, or maybe I need to get my Morbius out because I just topdecked him. Like, that is, it's, she's a tough one, for sure. So, I, I get it.
Alexander Coccia:I think that cutting Lady Sif from a discard deck, that's drunk deck building. That's what that is. That is inebriated deck building. And the card's too good, man. I think it's incredible and it activates so many cards. Like, actually, here's some special mentions that we should, we didn't even mention before. But Lady Sif, Helicarrier. Not technically a discard card, but like Benefits from Lady Sif. How would Infinite, like Infinite could have made this list. Cause like, there's going to be cards we talk about soon that really benefit from Infinite, right? We have you know, Ghost Rider benefits from Infinite, like hella benefits from Infinite. Lady Sif makes those reliable discards possible. Absolutely. The only thing about it, talk about luck again, is if I'm holding Giganto and Hella, people say it's a 50 50, but it's not, it's Hella every time. Sif's like, Hey Hella, boom, see you later, bud.
Cozy Snap:I love it. You know, Alex, I can see that. I definitely get your point here. Definitely not, you know, not a bad placement. Lady Sif off a discard is drunk, Marvelous Snap. I just, hey, hey, I respect it. You love the Lady Sif. And she's got quite, like, her pixel completely underrated. The Venomized sick. You got the Pan Art Studio. Beautiful. Night Forge. She's got some of the best variants in Snap.
Alexander Coccia:Very good. And she, her appearance in Loki season one was actually a fantastic scene. They just, this kicking Loki in the nuts every single time. That is, that is a tough lady. I would not want to be on the bad side of Lady Sif. That is no question at all. This one here could have moved anywhere on this top 10, I feel like, but we ultimately landed on MODOK at number three, and if you have that pixel variant. What was that? Oh my god, I actually skipped. I skipped number four. No cozy. You're right. We're actually on number four We may as well do it together because I ruined the surprise Morbius at number four Modok at number three. I did say number three, didn't I? I must have just messed up the numbers
Cozy Snap:No, all good. All good, right? It's fine to talk about these two together. Morbius, you don't have to talk about too much He's a two cost car that goes way up. He can win a lane by himself. I mean we're talking two costs They've gone away from two cost carrying games. Morbius still fits that role, right? And this, a card of this nature changes an archetype. You add this to move, and all of a sudden you have an archetype and move that's looking a lot better. So, like, truly, you can't sleep on this card. And then, to your point, Modok, Modok. Even with Dependable going down, anytime, like, bro, imagine Destroy Your Entire Hand, right, for Destroy Dex. Like, this, this is such the enabler of 5 8's not a bad stat line you're building in. More often than not, you're building up, you know, the Morbius, to our point. Or a Dracula. So it's not even a 5 8. It's much better than that.
Alexander Coccia:And I've always appreciated that MODOK is still rocking the the bowl cut. It used to be popular that like, you know, and he's still like, no, I'm stuck, I'm doing the bowl cut. It's all, you know, I do appreciate that. I really good sense of style needs to get some pepto dismal though for that diarrhea. But at the end of the day, I think that MODOK number three, excellent card. I think it's going to make a huge comeback with Proxima with other cards that are going to really benefit from that dependable discard and Mobius. Is Morbius, sorry, is phenomenal at number four for the exact reasons why you said. I thought like when you mentioned move, I feel like they tried to give dagger the Morbius kind of verticality. Right, but Morbius is also balanced in the sense where, like, susceptible to anything that removes ongoing. Shanchi, like it has, like, it has the Darkhawk effect where, like, it can be pumped in all these different ways. Right. But you cannot deny how huge it is. Absolutely huge. And the nice thing about MODOK is that MOBIUS can sit pretty low, then all of a sudden ramp up high in power. And that takes us to the top two, Cozy. Number two is Black Knight.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, Black Knight. I mean, Oh man, this has got to be one of my favorite cards to come out in a while. I think we've, you know, broken record, but we did say this before, like sign me up for more cards that produce token cards. I think it's really, really cool. And they just, they found the spot for Ebony Blade to fit right in the game. You know, definitely it's taken a downtrend a little bit, maybe to where it was at its peak in January, but just so good, man. So solid works the game plan, and again, Actually, going back to what I said about Blade, the difference maker, if you get him on turn one, you know that you stand at a much higher percent chance to win that game in Snap. You only got six turns to do it, having it right off the rip feels pretty good.
Alexander Coccia:And like, yeah, the change to the, the token, the actual Blade itself, making it virtually indestructible. Was huge. And it gave you a ton of variability and like potential to deal with locations, whether it be power reducing, destroy based locations, right? Cause like destroy based locations are a huge benefit of playing destroy. You play destroy for a couple of days. You'd be like, wow, there's a lot of locations that benefit me, right? Like I, I love playing Deadpool into death's domain. I love playing Deadpool into altar of death. I love playing Deadpool to all these different things all the time. And the Ebony blade just is not like, I just. I just prefer the value, right? And I think what brought down the win rates and the cube rates a bit, and I believe this to be true is when you have a card or a deck that comes out and it's kind of novel, it's innovative. People aren't used to playing against it and you're able to rip cubes out of their hands. And then once Black Knight got really popular, you know, you made a video about it, I made a video about it, everyone's making videos about it. Black Knights all over the place, the ability to like predict and retreat and move away like, oh, okay, well, they got their pop off, right? Like, and you don't give the cubes up. I think the familiarity with the archetype does bring the statistics down over time because people know what to expect.
Cozy Snap:You make a great point. And you can say the same about the NFL, right? There's, there'll be these rookie players that pop off, right? They're insane and they dominate year one. And then the sophomore year is really tough. You want to know why? It's because they've got tape on this guy now, right? Like, they know how to play this guy's game, where he was brand new before that, right? Like, we see that all the time within the NFL. And it's the same here. You've got something that comes out of nowhere. What do we do? We've seen the tape. We know what to do against it now, right? And their cards, honestly, are number one. You guys aren't going to be shocked here. And Hela, Hela being number one, right? That you can see the tape, right? Maybe like, Patrick Mahomes is a bit You can see the tape! But you can't stop it all the time. Right. And that is why it has the edge, I think a little bit over Black Knight.
Alexander Coccia:So what you're saying is that Hela is Tom Brady? Because like Tom Brady, like watch Tom Brady's combine. It's literally a dude in a dad bod running the slowest dash you've ever seen in your life. Like, like I literally could run faster than that. And then like literally just. Darts, darts, championship winning, perfect clock management, everything about the game, absolutely perfection. Watch all the tape you want, just watch him beat you I guess.
Cozy Snap:Yes, right, 100 percent and that's where Hela is at and we're going to have to see if she makes it through the patch in the month. We got the March patch coming up where they can adjust an ability, we have, you know, just an OTA coming around the corner. So we'll hold on to our hats there for Hela, but overall I feel like we nailed that top 10 list. I feel like, you know, things could change a little bit with Proxima. Maybe we have some cards sneak in that were like, you know, the Moon Knight, whatever. Probably not, but you know, it's gonna be interesting to test the waters there.
Alexander Coccia:Well, there's always been buffs by association. We bring that up all the time, right? Like if Hela is no longer the primary way to play Discard and that drops off, then like maybe Gambit makes a comeback if like Wong based decks are doing well. And that might bring Meek into the picture. It's one thing worth knowing though. It's funny how Black Cat was actually one of the highest win rate cards in Snap. Like a couple of weeks ago, we talked about like surprising high win rate cards. Doesn't even make the top 10. Cause like you just, you, it's like, it's kind of uninteractive, but it's really just a Hela card. Yeah. I mean, it plays in Black Knight too, but like, at the end of the day, it's so crazy how versatile Discard has become. It feels like one of the archetypes that has completely changed since Beta. Like, it's not even the same thing. There's so many variations to this archetype now, and Hela, Black Knight, and MODOK are a huge component of that.
Cozy Snap:And now we have like, Ramp, Destroyer's already there, Discard, like, if we get move rate, like Seriously, like, pretty much everything has a way to contain it, and I'd love to see that, bud.
Alexander Coccia:And I can't see why Move would be more problematic than Hella. Like, Hella is so uninteractive when you play against it. It's like, well, look at this, right? Like, Move at least has some, like, counterplay. You know, Shadow Kings and all that kind of stuff. You know, we have the release valve of Kingpin. So maybe we need to give Move a little more. I mean, they've been trying to. Maybe we're just not giving move enough of a chance. Maybe we need to play a little bit more. That takes us to one of our favorite segments of the Marvel Snapchat Podcast. And that is the mailbag, Cozy! Mailbag, mailbag. We still don't have our little jingle. We need like a mailbag jingle of some sort. Question number one, Cozy, comes from Slimothy James. I think I said that right. And it reads How do you make a deck from start to finish? Is there a rough outline you tend to go with? I love this question a lot because I think Cozy is a tremendous deck builder So I'll give him a chance to get his thoughts in but way I do it is I do something called backwards design I think about what I want my deck to do. What is the win condition? I don't often start at like the one cost. I often start at the six cost. What do I want? The deck to do, what do I want the wind condition to look like? And then I build that wind condition backwards. And then I shaped the deck around that. You also have the different packages you can utilize to start building the different decks, the Darkhawk package, the collector package. Like Cozy's language in his episode was just that, Oh, I think I'm going to talk, cut the collector package. And that's Cozy understanding that you're taking sections of a deck. And making modifications to maximize each individual kind of packages potential in a given list. So that's the way I do it. I call it backwards design. It's actually, it's actually a teaching term to be honest with you. Cozy, you have some spicy decks too. I'd love to hear your thought process.
Cozy Snap:Everybody has their own way of doing it, right? I think what you said is, is obviously where I look at in a lot of ways too. You look at the wind conditions and the play lines and then the current meta, right? And this is where people. If you're more, like, competitive focused in the game, you know, I look at, like, what, like, Tribunal. We say 28th's the win, and I'm like, okay, so a great example is I've been doing a lot of Patriot Surfer, been loving its death. Killer deck. So I look at it. I'm like, okay, great. I have about 22 power if I have the pop off of Patriot Surfer Brood, right? And then you have the Absorbing Man lane. I'm like, I have a couple 22 lanes. Is that enough? It's not. So do I build something else into it? And that's where I need a couple of cards that are flexible. Always go with the surprise cards as we talked about and that's where, hey, that deck is insane at priority. Let's throw in Negasonic and Alioth, right? There's different packages you can throw in depending on what you don't like or what the meta has in it. So I look at not only my playlines there, but also what are the few combos that I need that aren't crazy that I can reliably get and then obviously surprise the opponent. So, a lot there. Synergy is a huge focus. And sometimes it doesn't work out. You know, like Shaw was in that deck. And I'm like, well duh, he's in the deck. I have Forge. I'm playing Brood, Absorbing Man. Oh, and then also you have Surfer. Why not play Shaw? It's like, well, honestly, Negasonic just filled that spot better. I didn't need more power. I needed a way to stop them from playing, you know, a big card or something like that. So, that, that's the way that I look at it. It's a lot of I usually can get 11 or 10 perfect. And then I'm kind of testing that last spot or two to really, like, solidify the deck.
Alexander Coccia:I was just going to say, and the most important part at the end of the day is testing, right? Is the testing and making those minor adjustments. Yeah, we'll get like 10, 11 cards and it's that one card that really makes a difference. That splash that makes a huge difference. And that takes us to the next question from Melchi and it reads, On the location cerebral topic from last episode, locations play such a big part in the variance of SNAP. Sometimes leading to non games for some deck types. Do you feel that locations should play a large role competitively in the game going forward, or it would be better for a tournament format in the future to limit to predetermined pool of locations for people to build around for an event?
Cozy Snap:I don't think they'll ever do it. If I'm being completely honest, I don't think they'll do that. Do I think it'd be good? Yes. What I don't like is random locations. They're already in there. They can stay in there. X Mansion, whatever. I'm not crazy about like, I don't know, I think there's one like, each player gets a six cost card. It's like, some of those, it's like, you get to destroy or you lose the game. You did everything right. You know, even Sakara can be like, oh man, like, you can maybe like play with your hand and get a card down that you know is, you know, okay. So you have, you know, better cards for that to choose from. I don't love extreme RNG locations, more than Like Ego. Yeah, I mean, I love Ego. Come on, man. That Hey, respect Ego. You know, come on. You gotta snap on it every time. If you don't snap on Ego, you've lost a friend. And myself. Maybe not Alex, but just, that's probably my, my thoughts there. I like the variants. I'm moving a bit away from the whole hot location thing. I think it was a fun thing in the first year. It just feels Like, it just continues to fuel some of the better decks sometimes, right? Like, cloning vats, if I get another cloning vats, it's like, I'm done for that day.
Alexander Coccia:Hot Location Day may as well just be Play Conquest Day. Like, it's just, I hate Hot Locations as a whole. Like, I just don't like it. And it doesn't even, like, I don't feel like it encourages proper deck building. I think it just, it really just narrows and niches down everyone's decks for the day. Like it doesn't actually, no one's deck building on that day. It's just like, how can I do the most degenerate thing possible to get the most cubes possible? Then you just mirror match over and over again with something that someone posted on Twitter or something like that. It's just, it's not what I think it should be.
Cozy Snap:First six hours is whatever benefits off the location, next six hours is whatever counters that. Like that's it, that's the whole entire, there you go, there it is and that's. Counterproductive. So, just my thought there, yeah.
Alexander Coccia:Our next question comes from Colzac, and it reads, I'm primarily a Destroy player, along with what seems to be about half the playerbase. Why do you think Destroy is so popular, despite the many hard counters to the archetype, as in Cosmo and Armor?
Cozy Snap:It's just a good deck, man. I don't know if there's that many counters to it, and I personally think it's just straightforward and fun. You're playing with Venom, you're playing with Deadpool, you're playing with Wolverine, you're playing with some awesome iconic characters. You're killing things. You have ways to have locations on your side. You can get rid of Hobgoblins and Green Goblin. There's a lot that goes for Destroyer, no question. I think there's just multiple ways to win with that deck, which is why it's so popular.
Alexander Coccia:It's really fun. It's surprisingly versatile, but it's also, I think it has a very straightforward play pattern. I think the snap conditions are very straightforward and you know, I'm okay with with destroy being like the barometer of the meta, like if destroy is going to be like what we have to like, okay, this is the deck that's good and we want it to be good, but it also, we don't want it to be broken. We don't want it to be bad. If you compare like, Hey, it's Hela way too bad. It's too much better than destroy. Then, okay. Bring Hela down. Like, you know what I mean? If it's like the baseline, like good deck, I'm okay with that. Cause I think destroy is fun. I think it has a lot of iconic characters. Like you mentioned as well. We've actually brought up really elegant buffs a couple of times now. And Wolverine's another one. What a change they did to Wolverine. Just making those entire kind of cards more fun to engage with. I mean, and just listen, it's just fun. I think Destroy is great. And if the cubes are there and the win rates there, then people are going to play it. And even if they're not, I think people are still going to play it anyways. And that takes us to the last question of the day. And it's from Seidel and it reads. What do you think of increasing hand size as a mechanic? Something like a low cost card with an ongoing effect like plus hit one hand size So your maximum hand size is eight cards instead of seven.
Cozy Snap:Oh, man. I don't know. I don't know how to answer that I feel like it would have to be a high cost card if you were gonna do that with like terrible power I don't know like not a super high card, but like you have to build that into later Yeah, dude, because what even a 1 0 everyone's gonna play that card. Why would you not to get more cards in your hand? That's always a good thing Not always.
Alexander Coccia:No, but like, yeah, but you have to fill the hand, though. Like, you need to be Moongirl, you need to be Helicarry, you need, there, it needs an activator. So if you play it on turn five, like, what are you gonna do with it? Like, I, I, the way I saw this was like, okay, Like, it's a Devil Dinosaur card, a Collector card, you get a bigger hand size, but it doesn't mean anything's in it. Like, you gotta put stuff in it.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, but then you wo you will? I don't know, yeah, that's, that's I mean, for Moongirl alone, that'd be crazy. Hey, maybe. I don't know. I feel like messing with that could be cr God. I haven't even thought about that before. Funny enough, I just like accept the rules as it is, kind of thing, but, Not to say it can't happen, no, that's right.
Alexander Coccia:I mean, eventually there's going to be cars that start to test the rules. Oh, snap. And I think this might be one that they end up down. Like, there could be a 1 2 that just makes hand size plus 1. Is it really that game breaking? If it is, then nerf the crap out of it, I guess.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, yeah. Okay, I like the question. I always like when there's a question, I'm like, oh! I haven't even processed that yet.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah. I thought that was a really cool one. And that takes us to the end of the Snapchat this week, guys. Thank you so much for all of your support. Kozy and I genuinely appreciate it. If you find yourself on the audio podcast platform of your choice, we would appreciate if you leave a review. It actually makes a tremendous difference for us, for discoverability, for the whole, you know, the algorithm thing and regardless guys, thank you so much for watching and we'll see you on that next Snapchat episode.
Cozy Snap:Thank you guys so much for hanging out, and until the next one, happy snapping!