The Snap Chat: Marvel Snap Podcast
Cannonball: Hot or Not? | Six Cost Tier List | Mockingbird In Review | The Snap Chat Ep. 72
Will Cannonball be a splash or a pass? What are the best X-Men and Avengers cards in Snap? What are the final rankings on Mockingbird? Join Cozy Snap and Alexander Coccia as they chat about this and more on this episode of The Snap Chat and every week as they discuss all things Marvel Snap.
Will Cannonball be a splash or a pass? What are the best X-Men and Avengers cards in Snap? What are the final rankings on Mockingbird? Join Cozy Snap and Alexander Coccia as they chat about this and more on this episode of The Snap Chat and every week as they discuss all things Marvel Snap.
What's going on, you fine people, and welcome back. Today, we're going to be breaking down Cannonball, the newest card to Marvel Snap. You guys know the drill. Is it going to be a big splash or a complete pass? Alex and I are going to break down the synergies, the decks, everything you need to know, as well as ranking the spotlight caches. On top of that, we're going to be breaking down the giant content patch in the month of March. I obviously didn't make a video on it this week, so extra excited to break down all the changes, all the features, and more. And then lastly, we had a huge reception on our 5 cost card Tier list. So we're gonna do it again with the six cast cards, get a little bit S tier, a little F tier, and then of course, Alex and I are probably going to disagree and agree on a lot of the placements. We're gonna talk about that all today and more on this episode of the Snapchat. And as always, I'm joined by Mr. Alex Coccia. Hello, buddy. Hello. We've got ourselves a brand new week in Snap. Gone with the Mockingbird week and the March content patch and on to Cannonball, which every time I hear his name, I just, I just think of the Anchorman. The classic, the classic Anchorman quote.
Ron Burgundy:CANNONBALL!
Alexander Coccia:I thought you were gonna say I love Lamp. So, I'm pleasantly surprised already. Either that or 60 percent of the time, it works. Every time.
Cozy Snap:Every time. Well, Alex, what do you think about this week, man? What do we got going on? How has the week been for you? We had the X Men. Versus Avengers, as you see here in, in our graphic and we had the event kind of come out of nowhere in the Imbalance balance patch. What are your thoughts on on the Imbalance balance patches in general?
Alexander Coccia:I like them, and I like this one too. Like, I actually thought that it was pretty cool. I think the X Men condition ultimately proved a lot easier to pull off than the Avengers one. But honestly, I like it. I'm all about it. Truthfully, like, if you can shake up the meta a bit and don't make any, like, permanent changes to make cards completely broken and impact people's token spending and stuff like that, then, like, I don't see how that's a bad thing, right? Marvel Snap, we are addicted to a shifting meta. Like, we are legitimately addicted to it, and that's exactly what this gives us.
Cozy Snap:Do you feel like it's a good amount of time or too long, too short? I don't even know when this one ends. I don't remember the I'm just gonna say, I don't think I know either. I think it's a week long. I probably I don't know. I still stand behind, like, maybe two weeks, because then it's, like, A long time, and then you can get used to it, but at the same time, if you hate them, that's a long time to deal with. So, like, I guess a week is the sweet spot.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, a week's probably fine. Like, in my opinion, do these more often. Get rid of hot locations and featured locations. Like, seriously, like, just get rid of those locations. Like, they ruin the game. And every time there's Twitch Drops, Cozy, they do hot locations after, and everyone's miserable. Like, everyone's so miserable.
Cozy Snap:I told you, I did. I, like, orchestrated this thing. Tournament in New York and I had to like help out new players. There's four new players, right? And the hot location was Altar of Death that day. And you just have all these new players that are like, why is my car dying over and over? And I don't care about this energy. I don't want it. And I'm like, it's like, they line up at the worst. The worst times, but you know what we're talking about on this side. We've got another great tier list to do together. What do we talk about on your side of the Snapchat?
Alexander Coccia:Cozy. We're going to be talking about Mockingbird in review. We're going to be discussing some decks with Mockingbird, our general thoughts and giving a star based review. We'll also be talking about our top 10 Avengers and X Men cards, which is certainly be a lot of fun. And then finally back again is the Snapchat mailbag.
Cozy Snap:Well, Alex, before we can begin, I feel like I'm talking to Clark Kent without his, his, his costume on, without his, his super powers. Where the hell are your glasses?
Alexander Coccia:They're here, they're here. Sorry, bud. I forgot to put them on. My doctor's like, Alex, put your glasses on.
Cozy Snap:It shook me. I feel, I was like, who am I talking, who is this? I've seen him before, but now, we're back, ready to go. Well, buddy, we've got The Good Week ready, and Cannonball is our new card. This week, and before we jump into him, we have our spotlights this week in what was the last week of the spotlights, and then they swapped them, and some people still got her, but if you didn't update, I don't know, but it's Ms. Marvel, and it is Kitty Pryde alongside Cannonball. What are your impressions of the spotlight week before we jump into the card?
Alexander Coccia:I think that, like, right off the bat, like, Ms. Marvel and Kitty Pryde are two cards you definitely want in your collection. Kitty Pryde has proven to be a little underpowered, even with Hope Summers, right? Like, it's But it's such a unique card, that it's gonna have it's time again. It's gonna come back, and I bet you, Second Inter was hesitant of buffing Kitty Pryde in advance of, first of all, Nelsa buff, and secondly, with, I hope Summer's coming out, right? So, I think that it has overall landed a little bit on it's face, but when it gets buffed, you're gonna want it in your collection. And Ms. Marvel, I mean, what can we say about Ms. Marvel? Like, literally the the greatest two star card in the history of Marvel.
Cozy Snap:I feel like Kitty Pryde's a good card. But she's just not ever what she was, and then she wasn't what she was before what she was, right? Like, it's just tough to, she's decent value, but it's tough to get her, you know get excited about her because you knew what she used to be but I do agree. I think that is gonna be a nice segue into Cannonball, and Cannonball, guys, if you don't know, he's a 5 cost card. He's 8 power alongside it on reveal. You're going to move the highest powered enemy card away. Now, if any of those locations are full or if Professor X has locked it down, you guys know the drill, it's going to destroy that card and replace it with a rock in that exact location. And definitely unique ability. We, we only see a couple of move cards and only see a couple of targeted destroyed cards at that as well. So pretty interesting. Got a couple of mechanics that we seen, but we haven't seen just like this. And without going into synergies or anything, hit me with your initial star rating.
Alexander Coccia:You know what? I'm a little hesitant on Cannonball. I'm coming in at a two star rating. I know it's low, but like, I have some optimism around the card, but I just, I'm not as sold on it as others might be.
Cozy Snap:Wow, man. Two, two star. That's exactly what I gave it to you. I gave it a two star as well, man. You got me so nervous. No, no, not at all, man. I think this is definitely this is going to be a fun card. There's going to be some decent things you can do, and, and that's what we're going to, we're going to talk about is like where he is going to shine and, and kind of where we do see him. But I think. Ultimately this is a fun card coming out in a tough month full of really good cards and more fun cards in the case of, like, Pixie. So it's, like, kind of this really weird spot for Cannonball. But again, it does have insanely strong effects to it. And that's kind of what I want to break down and where we see it fit. But you can, we, we kind of done this song and dance before with cards that are somewhat similar to him, if you will. And, and I just don't know It's the five cost that really, that really does it. And not only that, he reminds me of like Ronan in a way that you can't control outside of some deck play where your opponents are filling up. And if they're filling up, you do need locations filled up to really get the biggest bang from this guy. And because of all those conditionary, you know, things you need to check off a box. A two star and that might even be, it's not that that might even be high, but like, I was actually close to like 1. 5. I think he's, he's a fine card. You're going to get some good games out of him, but he reminds me of like a Spider Man 2099, if you will.
Alexander Coccia:Oh, that's the best comparison. I think that a lot of people have been comparing them to Stegron, which I think is kind of fair, but I often, in my head, thought of him more in line with what Spider Man 2099 is. However, what I will say is like, I'll tell you what sells me on the two star rating. It's it's called Obsidian. That's a four cost 10. And we have shown that that of that, like requirement of having a one cost card is like almost non existent, honestly. And like with cannonball, you got a five, eight, when do you want cannonball over vision? When do you want cannonball over? Almost every other five drop like that's kind of the question and we are going to talk some synergies and stuff But like what about even arrow like I kind of see this as a reverse arrow that needs a condition to do what arrow does
Cozy Snap:Yeah,
Alexander Coccia:like you know what? I mean it but with for less power So i'm kind of i'm not sold on the power. So i'm glad you brought that up
Cozy Snap:I mean the thing I like about them the best is that you get to target the highest power Powered Enemy Card, right? Like, that, that has not really been, not that it hasn't been seen before, but there's not a lot of, like, you get to destroy X card, right? It's Shang Chi show or bust. And I like that. I think there is some cool unique opportunities for, you know, again, swinging something big and moving the devil dinosaur. And, and, and again, we'll talk about some of these, but like one example, just like right off the rip where you know there are gonna be people on the side of, Cannonball did this for me, and they do have a point. Living tribunal, great example. What wins those lanes? It's onslaught onto Ironman, right? And so to be able to take that and move the onslaught to another lane. All of a sudden, you have a massive swing, and you probably stole a lot of cubes. So, I think the you don't have to destroy a card. For this to be good, but it's just going to be very wonky. And I don't know about you. I mean, you need some stability and reason and less guessing and snap for it to be considered like a staple card to unlock, or, you know, obviously in this kind of month of competition to use the caches for,
Alexander Coccia:yeah, no, that's the other thing that you bring up, right? Like how competitive this month is. We already know war machines coming next week. That's, you're going to want to use spotlight keys for it, right? Like we know that. Cannonball, like, is this a save week? And it's funny cause like they've rearranged the spotlight caches in a way where like, you don't even really want cannonball as much as you want everything else in the spotlight. You want Ms. Marvel, you want Kitty Pride to some degree. Right. And like, that's why when they made the change, I was like, come on, man. Like, why are we doing that? Like they made the, like, oh, last week or Mockingbird's week was like a Banger like you gotta go and it really mud muddled the waters a little bit on cannonball because it felt like the most skippable week Of this like the season by far and now miss marvel's there and i'm just like all my heart
Cozy Snap:not a coincidence I think they I think they knew I think they saw okay We have miss marvel that is as good as she is mockingbird is overperforming in our testing cannonball kind of sucks Let's put miss marvel in there. Like there's just I have a hard time feeling that that wasn't deliberate, but either way, did make it a bit more muddy, especially for you know, pulling the catches, pulling the unlocks, but let's go ahead and talk about Cannonball, and where we do see the chance for him, for Alex and I to be wrong. Dead wrong, right? Like, there's, there are some chances there. Let's break down those decks, and, and honestly, Alex, that's kind of the other thing for our argument. I usually have just like, buckets of Synergy and like, what about the There's stuff here, but it's just not near as much as some other cars that we've had in the past. And the Synergy Okay, yeah. The Synergy Actually, go ahead and kick us off, man. What is the Synergy you want to start with?
Alexander Coccia:All right. So the one that like, I've really tried, I always talk about, I like working through the lines. I like building the decks, pen and paper. Right. There's only one that I feel like has a legitimate shot and that's gangster move. And I feel like we talked about gangster move like two weeks ago. How you said it's being slept on. I actually kind of agree. I played it a little bit, just like on my phone, chilling, whatever. I actually liked it. Like, I feel like people are sleeping on it a little bit. However, if you think about it, you have Kingpin right on turn two, then you have juggernaut. Steggy, Cannonball on 5. These are now all every single turn you're disrupting their board state, but you're kind of just moving the power around. You're swishing it around. And is it always going to hit Kingpin? Not really. These are all very random effects, but if they do, then the negative is pretty significant and then you can Magneto 6 or whatever. I just think that it could work in a shell like that. Curious about your thoughts.
Cozy Snap:Well, first it's mobster move. You hurt my heart over here. You know, it's a, it's a double M, you know, it's a, it's the perfect thumbnail, but yeah, no, I agree. I think. When you try to only do the destroy thing, it's just not going to be there. Right? Like if you try to get like a no synergy going or something, like you're just, you're, you're cooking too much. But when you are like, okay, I can destroy it or I can go ahead and, and just work with the move package as well. And obviously as you bring up Kingpin, we always got to bring up the inverse of Kingpin, which is obviously Kraven, right? So those two working in tandem. This deck, outside of the Patriot deck, this was the one I took up to Infinite a ton. I love Mobster Move. I think it has a lot of utility. It's got cards in its arsenal, like Magneto, that counter the Venoms. Counter all these other cards, like this Marvel, which you might see it tick up, you know, tick up in playability because of the Spotlight week. It's just a solid list with a lot of answers and strong value cards. Polaris, Spider Man, it all works together. And now you add in a card that isn't bad value, you know, 5'8 I wish she was a 5'9 I'll be honest. With some good potential there you know, to really swing, swing high and destroy a big card. So I agree, I think adding the movement package With the Destroy Package, in a way, where you don't bust on Cannonball, might feel the best. Outside of him, man, I really thought, okay, well, it's the same deal. If we're not going to you know, let our opponent make the decision to fill their lanes, let's do it for them. Debris, Green Goblin. Naturally, kind of a junk build. I think a junk build could work. Junk is just a weird archetype. We've talked about this in the past. It's kind of this blend now, if you will, of like Galactus, right? Like, you almost see a good amount of Galactus. I think that the Junk archetype wouldn't mind having this as a top deck option as an either or scenario if you're leaning more into the Junk old style days instead of the Galactus of now.
Alexander Coccia:Absolutely. Because you need some way to actually like, if you want to get the destroy side of it, then like, you actually have to commit resources to setting that up. And that actually kind of like, gave me a little bit of hesitance with the card because like people were like, Oh, this is just a higher status Shang Chi. It was like, well, no, it's not like Shang Chi has a very reliable effect. Oh, that card's over 10 power. It dies now. You know what I mean? And, but this card, you have to set up the board state to take advantage of it. And you have to like, throw initiative. Like, initiative's a factor as well, keep in mind, right? Because if their card's face down, right, it's not the highest power. So like, there's, there's definitely things to consider there. However, what you're saying's right. If you're junking them a little bit, you have a higher chance to actually proc that destroy effect while also giving them that rock.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, it's the, it's the five cost. It's the five cost. We've seen this song and dance. It's the five. A 5 cost card. We just did the tier list last week. If it doesn't bring immense value, it just is super tough to be able to reliably put it in so many decks. And that's where it's like, I just don't know if that value is there for Cannonball. Now, he could be a, an extremely great addition to the Junk archetype. Maybe you have a little bit of you know, you get the Sinister Six in it. You get the Green Goblin with it. Kingpin, I don't know. Whatever, right? You get some big negative points. You get some you get some junk in there. Maybe he works out there. Again, I like the debris action. The other way that I like, or the other thing I like, and glad to see it in a way, is the synergy with some other X Men. I think that Professor X is the most clear cut way to just shut down a lane. And that way, you know one of two things. You know you're either destroying a card, which odds are probably pretty good, Or you know exactly what lane it's going to go into. And I like that a bit better outside of he's a five cost car too. So it's going to be tougher to make it work.
Alexander Coccia:The only way I can see it working is if you bring back the classic Psylocke in a Pro X style play, right? Use Psylocke to kind of ramp the card out. Not necessarily in a Thanos based deck because well, Time Stone got changed as well, right? So Professor X has had all these like attack vectors put on, like I could actually see Pro X getting power back, by the way, like this is a whole other conversation, but I can definitely see Pro X being a pretty decent part of this deck.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, Hope Summers, too. I think Hope Summers, like, I think that's kind of what, you know, Hope Summers has restored a lot of the 5 cost cards, but as we know, we, you can't, you can't just depend on it, so you got to put a couple in there, and I actually don't hate the Hope Summers play, I think also with the Hope Summers, if we're going to talk about her, we can also mention a decently cool synergy of maybe Jean Grey, where you have We've seen this before, too, where you have the Gene Lane, your deck's built to kind of move around it, but then you keep moving cards out for them, and they have to play in here over and over and over, and so, I actually like that idea a ton with Cannonball. So now we have a bit of a mix here of Pro X, Cannonball, Jean Grey. And the best time to do all that will be before they get rid of this X Men buff up patch that we'll be talking over on Alex's side of the Snapchat. But yeah. So those are the initial synergies. What else you got for me?
Alexander Coccia:I might be huffing hopium. But can I talk about Grandmaster? for a sec? Yeah, bring him up. In theory, in theory, you could Grandmaster him, right? Like you can play him Grandmaster, move him over, proc it again. And the only thing is, if you bring something over, it destroys, right? It'll put a rock there. It'll go to the middle. It'll, Try to push things over there. Maybe the rock's blocking that spot, right? Cause it occupied it. That gets destroyed too. I don't know. I just think it could be interesting. I, you definitely need a perfect board set up for it, but Hey, that's what Grandmaster does, takes the greediest possible situation and makes it greedier.
Cozy Snap:If you're going to go for fun, you might as well go all in. You might as well get, you know, invite all the friends over and go with the Grandmaster play at that. Yeah, dude, you'd be like moving a devil dinosaur, play Grandmaster. He just moves it right back. Like that's exactly what that's, what's going to happen with with that. But yeah, I mean, Hey. I like the spicy take. I think you know, any type of cards we can talk about priority. It's just, it's too much copium. Like, you know, like, hey ghost, you know, maybe, maybe this is where we have, no, like we've done that song and dance. It just is not worth it because of the amount of lives out there. But you know where I do think he, he's gonna have that, you know, big swing is, and we've seen this before. Is the Arnhem Zola Black Panther plays, the Doom Odins, the Wong combos, the Onslaught Iron Man. Where you move a car that they fully banked on. They had such a good feel. The Venom decks. The ones where, you know, you're waiting for the Arnhem Zola Venom. A lot of times, Gnoll is in just one lane. So, you know, pushing Gnoll to another lane is gonna, you know, definitely mess up those decks. I think there is a, a good shot to have some disruption there. But, but again, if we just think about all the other five costs, I'd rather have just about anything else. Why risk that when I can Valkyrie it? You know, like why, why, why risk that when I can Valkyrie a, a Venom? And at that point, I was even thinking, okay, I don't know about you, but when I build like a Valkyrie deck sometimes, right? I'm like I love playing Valkyrie, let's say, with Hood, and then that way you can get a really cool 1 drop, and then you can also play down your big 5 drop. So I'm like, okay, it could be like an alternative to having a Valkyrie deck, but even then, I just, you brought up Arrow, who's a 5 9, there's just much better options in here. It's, it's, it's a tough sell.
Alexander Coccia:It is. And like, again, it's the board condition of having to set it up so that like, oh, it can't move. Well then here's the rock. Here's the destruction. Like that's so hard. Like what's your board look like? Because when I was talking about Grandmaster, like that kind of deck would have Ravonna, the goblins, of course, Pro X in it. Like there, there's definite synergy there. Like I kind of made a pen and paper version of that deck, but I was like, man, still like. It is so much effort for one card like and we kind of fall victim to that when we're designing decks around cards like hey It's you know mockingbird release day and let's like just shoehorn Every possible thing but hey in that case it pretty much went everywhere but like this card It's like is it really a build around card or is it going to be in addition to you know But probably not it's just going to be a card. No one plays more than likely
Cozy Snap:yet. Here's the good news The good news is We have probably the most cracked card coming out next week. And so the great news is you get to just pass this, right? I would say you have a little bit more of a tough decision if you don't have Miss Marble, because then at this point, you're, you're just like, it's just tough. It's tough. Cause you do want that card. Do you want her more than War Machine? I just don't think so. Right? So like, if you're only sitting at a couple, you just, it's worth the wait for War Machine. And that's, that's the best news. Obviously watch Alex and I's content. You'll see what we think of the card. I would assume we're not going to adjust much, but I, I just, we've done this enough, we've played enough new cards, I, I've, you know, I've tested enough. To know when a card has the potential to kind of exceed the expectations and I just can't I can't get there I can't get there and with me being like, oh man I'm gonna bump this up to a four star if anything it can maybe go up a star rating But it'd have to wow me.
Alexander Coccia:I definitely agree. And hey, listen, like I've missed the shot on cards in the past, right? It's well documented on the snapchat and I hope to be I hope to be wrong. Honestly, I hope this card comes on It's an absolute banger I really do, because there's going to be people rolling for Ms. Marvel, they're going to get it anyway, right? They're going to have to go 4D for Ms. Marvel or whatever. There's nothing wrong with adding to your collection. So I'm always hoping a new card coming out splashes the meta a little bit. I just, I just don't see it in this case.
Cozy Snap:And as we saw with, let's say, Meek. Guess what, guys? If it kinda under delivers, then you can almost have a surefire bet. Hercules got only like two weeks until he got adjusted. Maybe a week, actually, until he got adjusted. So, exactly. So, like, there is that, too. Do not get the card based on that alone. But do know, if you like fun, if you like movement decks, where I think he'll be the best to the Kingpin kind of style decks with Magneto, and or, card might get buffed, Cannonball is gonna be a fun card to say the least. So speaking of which, though, Alex, speaking of me, speaking of the content patch, We got, we got our monthly March balance for content patch. And what did we say? We said we wanted to see new content come in the month. We did get it. We did get a little something something. A couple of surprises for sure. I was definitely shocked about seeing all the features come out of nowhere. We definitely had, you know, no idea about that on our side over here. Let's start there. Let's talk about that. Let's talk about let's start with the end turn button.
Alexander Coccia:What's your thoughts? It's awesome I'm so glad and yeah, I think what you're saying is correct. Very pleasantly surprised with the Chunkiness of the content update honestly, like we needed that We really did need that and we missed it last month because they delayed it Right. And that's fair with what currently the Christmas break and holiday break and everything, but yeah, we got a nice chonky update and it's, yeah, there's balance changes, but like, who cares what the balance changes, we got some serious improvements to the game and that's a good thing. Yeah. And the undo turn button. Awesome. I just wish it was a different color. Cause sometimes like I, I wish it went like, like orange or something. Exactly.
Cozy Snap:Well, just don't go with the color that it's the end turn but yeah, a hundred percent. I got confused myself. This was a much, much needed thing. Listen, snap prides itself on being fast. And I totally get that. However, the con of that is you want to be quick paced, and you're making quick moves, you see something, it's your first thought, done, end it, lock it. And then you read the location again. Or, then you look at one more card play. And it just felt bad. It felt bad locking something in and sitting there 20 seconds and being like, I could have done something different. And you can do nothing. Whereas now, definitely you get to take a second, back out. As a content creator, I love it too, man. Like, it definitely, like, we're commentating over a place. There's a lot to think about. Definitely you know, a nice bone to be thrown there. Unexpected, and I'm here for it.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, absolutely. And like, I, yeah, I make mistakes all the time where like, when we're making content, like we're not like a hundred percent, right? Like, cause it's like, we're chatting, we're talking, we're doing stuff. Right. And then like, and then you look at your board, you're like, you're so abrupt for a second, you're like, Oh, what, what am I doing? Like I've, I've skipped turns, turn ones with like Iceman in my hand. Cause I'm like talking to people, not paying attention. It's like, so it's, it's a great feature for us for sure. But I think everyone benefits. It also gets rid of the need competitively to rope turns. Like, that's, can't be understated too, like, roping turns was, in theory, the best way to approach a competitive game of Snap. Now, that's kind of not really the case.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, I just had an Infinity run last season, man, with the Patriot deck, and on the last turn, one health left, Battle 5, that's it, everything on the line, I misplayed, and I couldn't do anything. I couldn't believe it. I played it I played it was gonna do the Absorbing Man Alive, played the Bam Bam, I played American Chavis first, then Absorbing Man, and I'm like, great, I'm getting two Chavis effects to end the game. Still won it, thank God, but it's, you know, there's big moments where you can make mistakes. I think it'll make competitive play better and casual play. I think it's a win overall. Outside that, we also finally got the Graveyard in Snap, and this is nice, man, cause there was times where I just, I don't play a ton of Snap mobile wise, just because I'm, I'm, Making content on my computer, but it's nice that we finally have this on mobile because it felt like a pretty big disadvantage not having
Alexander Coccia:it. It definitely is. Like, it's a great improvement. It's still kind of like wonky getting into it and stuff, but like, again, the UI, like, there's not a lot of space, right? Like, Marvel Snaps is a very clean game, and if you want to access that graveyard, then you just, it's a button or two away, and sure, but it is a good addition to the game, 100%. I think it does even the playing field, because a lot of people are using untapped and other type of deck trackers, and now people on mobile. It's a little fair at the very least, right? And especially as we get some more complex cards, like, I can't, there was a moment where Untapped wasn't working after the patch, and I had I was playing, like, Iron Light or something, I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, this is actually a huge disadvantage, because I'm not even sure, I don't remember what's in my deck, right? It's like, you get so used to that, and it's like, oh, yeah, that's what mobile players feel like all the time. It is an advantage, isn't it?
Cozy Snap:The blob lockjaw. Jubilee, Iron Lad, I mean, there's just so many cards that you really need to look into your deck and, and yeah, no, no question there. So glad that's come in, it is a little wonky, I think they're trying to keep the UI clean, but it also is just a lot of clicking and whatnot, and now you have the emotes and all that, so definitely not not mad about it though, that's for sure. And then Alex Coccia, the custom borders, and probably the more exciting news behind it, the investment into all this, right? They've stated that this is just kind of part one to this, and that there's going to be a lot more coming to this, which I think I got a little excited about overall. What are your thoughts on that?
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, it's a great change. I, I find it confusing as hell, like the original UI of it. I'm like, what is happening here? And I was so kind of disappointed that like, you can't mix and match. Like I have an ink defect unlocked and I get a red Kirby on a foil. Why can't I put the Kirby on the ink? Like I wanted it so bad. There's so many variants in the game. Like there are so many variants in the game. At least let me do like swap amongst a given variant.
Cozy Snap:You know what I mean? Like, is that too much to ask? No, for sure. And the way that it was kind of said, like, I had to read it like 19 times before. I'm like, Oh, it's not that. Like, it took a second. And I think they didn't say that that's what they're working towards. Or something like that. Yeah, I think that's the, the goal is that they're trying to get that out alongside just like more splits and more like backs and all that stuff, which I think it's like, it's time. It's been a, it's been a year and a half. I think like the crackle on a gold on like a perfect color still hits. It's still, it's still a dopamine hit, but like it's time. Let's go to see some more backgrounds, man. Let's get some more stuff going and just create even more like diversity in collections.
Alexander Coccia:I think they kind of hinted at the idea of perhaps there even being consumables you can apply to variants and specific cards which could be cool. That could be in like the collector's reserves, for instance, to spice up the rewards there, which would be nice. Ultimately, if this is the first step, I'm for it. It's, it's an improvement in every shape of the way, like every single way, it's an improvement. The only thing is like, I find, I'm like, what card do I have to upgrade? Like now it feels weird because you can automatically pick which, which cardboard do you have, even if you haven't upgraded the card yet. So I'm like, why am I even going to put, like, I basically just means you have to, if you're going to split something, you just have to invest 1500 credits every time. Cause like the incremental updates don't mean anything.
Cozy Snap:I will say, I like that. I love that the 3d effect stays in the, in all that, even within the frame, like I wasn't expecting that. I'd be, I thought they were just going to let us change the color. And there's some cars that look much better. Like, much better, and so there is some instances I definitely have gone back on some splits, like, you know an onslaught that I had forever that I finally get to upgrade and change him and it just it feels good. There's Brood, Carnage. I had a lot of cards that I just use their base with a red frame or an orange frame because that's what looked best. But lastly before the balance, we also had the gold pass, which I saw and I was like, okay, carry on guys. If you're wondering why I didn't get a video, I was told I was told that the patch was delayed and it wasn't and it's a crack of crackadon over here when that happened. So I did not get to get mine out in time, but With that, I sold the Gold Pass. I did record what I thought of it. What do you think of it?
Alexander Coccia:Fine. Like it's what I think was seven bucks Canadian and net, like a pretty large chunk of gold. You've got to log in every day. You're probably logging in every day. If you're watching this podcast, right. I got no issue with it. I think it's fine value. It's just that make sure the goal is worth something. That's all.
Cozy Snap:We're starting to see a lot of like I know data metrics that they look at, I'm sure is like daily users. And so like. I don't know about you, but we got that sixth ore variant for free if you just play, like, out of nowhere or whatever. And so, like, stuff like that, where, like, you would need to log in which I think I mentioned last episode about calendars. Like, I was like, oh, we don't have any in Snap, and then this is kind of its first, like, form of it. The value, the bang for the buck is the best that, that, that there is as far as that investment. It's kind of nice that there's that option if so be it, but there needs to be more places to, to, to spend the gold as we've alluded to. So like it's a, it's great on one end that we've got that, but the other end is like, all right, cool, like let's get those splits then. Let's get the, what, bring it, bring the content. We're ready to, you know spend the gold or whatever. But yeah, so not bad there. Anything else before the buffs, nerfs? Was that, oh, we had the voice line. Did you Deadpool's voice line, dude?
Alexander Coccia:I, no, I haven't yet. Like, I actually don't, I don't, no, I haven't heard it yet. I haven't played any Destroy. I don't think anybody's playing Destroy right now, actually. I've been playing so much X Men, so. Dude,
Cozy Snap:he says, hey, I need to change my underwear. When, when you, when you play, like, it's classic Deadpool. It's, it's I love it. I love that they, like, let him be the character that he is. And then the Moon Girl one, I think was really cool, too. Just, like, a, a fun, fun flavor, we had a lot of visuals upgraded, and locations, which, funny, I feel like a lot of the locations on the list I'm seeing more of. It said you'd see less of them, I'm seeing more of them and it looks like they kind of targeted, what, like RNG locations more than anything, yeah?
Alexander Coccia:I think to some degree, I think they targeted destroy locations too. Like the destroy beneficial ones. Cause there's a classic thing where it's like, I'm playing a destroyed deck. Hey, look at this. Every single location benefits me. I think they tried to resolve that slightly. And I think I listen, I'm all about location changes. I kind of laugh at people like, Oh, they killed subterranean. I'm like, guys, subterranean still sucks. Like, let's be honest.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, exactly. I mean, it's between that and like just the, you know, camp Lehigh or whatever, where it's like, you might get. Captain America, and they get a Rogue, and it's just a dramatic way to lose, so I think they are dialing back from those a little bit, and certainly, you know, Crimson Cos, there's a lot on the list, and we can go ahead and put that whole thing up now for you guys to see if you did miss that but outside of that, we had ourselves some card adjustments, there's kind of a lot to break down, go through, Alex, but let's start with Elsa. Bloodstone, which we kinda, I don't want to say we called it, because I think it was fairly obvious once Luke Cage had his day we'll get rid of Cannonball here on screen. Elsa became exactly what we thought.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, no, we literally called it. Like, you can say we called it, because we did. We called another one coming up, too.
Cozy Snap:I know, it always feels good to be like, this is what we want, and this is what we end up getting. I know there were people that were kind of getting used to the 2 cost Elsa in some of the builds and stuff, and they were kind of sad about it. I do think, though, that ultimately, like, it's not hard to fill your locations up. So, you know, effectively, you're getting a potential, what, 3 9 in total value. Even more so if you're able to play with the, with the, with the, with the Baby Shark and the Nightcrawlers and whatnot. And hey we might see more Elsa this week with Cannonball, because all that's kind of in that whole deck sphere.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, no, I mean, this change makes perfect sense. I think they're clearly starting to iron out the idea that listen, three cost cards can have board wide effects. It provides consistency with the design of the game. And I am absolutely all for it. Like there's nothing, I think there's nothing wrong with this, right? Exactly. You said with Luke Cage, board wide, Kiara, board wide, perfect. Get it out of the two costs. It was too powerful there. It should be just right on a three costs. And if you need a little extra power, you got the dials.
Cozy Snap:My favorite change, though, is what I want to go to next. By far, my favorite change. And I just, they didn't do much outside of kind of bringing him back to where he was, but a little bit better, in my opinion. I love it, dude. Cable is, represents what I like to do in Marvel Snap. So now he's at 2 cost, 3 power, he went down from the 3 cost, which is terrible for Cable and, and the way that he worked. Now you, you steal a card. You legit steal a card from your opponent's deck. You're not copying anything, you take it. And the power that can give you, especially in something like Conquest, is huge. But also, it gives you potential new playlines, and if you know Snap, you're rewarded heavily when playing something like Discard, and you pull a Dracula, whatever that might be. I think he's great statted, and I do think he's a good plug and play card.
Alexander Coccia:I like Cable, I always have I, he was, he was originally a 2 2, by the way, so this is actually an improvement based off of the original. But like, honestly, at a 2 3, taking a card from their deck, that's pretty impactful. And like, if you, you get snap equity from there too. Like, if you snap after you Cable them, and they're like, did they just take my Shuri, did they just take my, like, you're in their head, right? You're in their head in a very interesting way. So, I like the design, I think it does exactly what Marvel Snap wants to do. Yeah, I like it. I like this change a lot.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, I think, I think the one that is more I would say, it still needs to be tested. And I don't think it ever will be. I think people are kind of scared to test it to a huge degree. I, I think it's cool. I just, at the end of the day, I don't know if it's going to make the 12 slots, right? But Mantis Guys is being shifted, and she is now Essentially copy, it's like a Nico effect, of your opponent. So you're copying a card that they played at the location, so they said the example is Venom. You can take that if you expect a Venom, which in that instance obviously makes sense. But think about all the things that have to align. You have to have the RNG of pulling her. You have to have the RNG of playing against a deck that you would want to do this against. And then you have to have the RNG of just guessing correctly, which if you're anything like me, you just whiff that every single time. What do you think, Amantis?
Alexander Coccia:I think it's Pooh. Just give it some, this, I'm, this is so cringy, I can't do it man, the whole guessing, like I get the whole Gardens of the Galaxy thing, but like, it just, it feels bad.
Cozy Snap:The guessing thing just doesn't, doesn't feel good, but what I can tell you is Meek got himself a change, and Alex, I'll let you lead with this one.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, we actually said, we literally said Meek would be so much better if you could just, you know, get the optionality over the movement. And that's exactly what we got. We literally got exactly that. And the card's good. It has statistically gone up to like 7 power on a regular basis. Now you get the Nightcrawler effect. Beautiful. Like, this is a legitimately good card now.
Cozy Snap:Yeah. The, the, like, the getting the discard immediately is nice. Like, definitely there was a lot of like, anti synergy with those decks. And it made no sense because that's the only place you're gonna play them. And like, you don't want anti synergy in a archetype locked card. It just felt stupid. But now you also get to move that card. I mean, that is tremendous as far as being able to now work with Proxima a bit more and be like, Okay, okay, I want to move it because Proxima landed here. I'll move it over here. So definitely he has earned his spot a bit more as this kind of unique discard card. And again, as we say all the time, a pretty tight list of cards. I loved it. The Meek one definitely had me excited. The other ones in here, man, we'll get to, you know, the Leech and the Timestone, but like, I don't know about you, but both the M'Baku and the Yondu one What are we, what are we, what are we doing here?
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, they're head scratchers. The M'Baku one, I'm like, really? That's not why, that's not why we play M'Baku. Like, that's not what we need in an M'Baku. Just keep them out of our hand or something, or give them the angel effect. Right? He can jump in and from our hand, like, give him that. And out of this, I'm not sold on. I don't think the needles moved at all on M'Baku.
Cozy Snap:No, I like, I would, you know, how are you like, if there's too much space, he pops in. I don't know if it, if you haven't seen that, he literally goes, ah, and he says, whatever. I would rather just bombard my opponent with that animation if I play in Baku. That's all he does. I don't care. That's a win for me. Like, just annoy your opponent card is better than what we have here probably. And Yondu got nerfed somehow. I don't see this at all as something Not that we were even playing Yondu that much, but it's funny because they kind of made him Now do the only reason why you didn't want to risk playing him before like you you don't want to thin your opponent's deck From cards that are kind of lower in the slot. Maybe they don't need now. That's all he does dude. What was this?
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, this was a kind of rough change But I think in their patch note they suggested that this is actually a change in advance of a play Card that's coming out in the future that'll be synergistic with Yondu. So it seems as though this is like a, okay, yeah, we're killing Yondu right now, but it'll make sense like a month or two from now. But did you really need to do that though? I don't know. No one was playing him anyways, you said, but like, I don't know. I think, I don't think we have the full picture yet.
Cozy Snap:Do you think this is the whole Baron Zemo thing? Cause you get to draw, you get to, I think, play the lowest cost card in your opponent's deck on your side. I'm wondering if they think like, okay, you thin the deck out first. Then you do that. Maybe.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah. I'm pretty sure that's what it is because now you're improving the odds. You get a better card from Baron. Okay.
Cozy Snap:All right, you know what? If there's more of that, then fine, but it's I don't know. Didn't come out the best time, I guess, for him, but we're not playing him anyway. And then lastly, we've got a couple of nerfs or more nerfs, shall I say. What do you think about Leech and kind of how they handled this card as a whole? And look, I'll even change up the variant for you. What do you think of what they did with Leech?
Alexander Coccia:I mean, I think they're giving them a time out. I think they're saying, Leech, your time's come. Shut your piehole. Sit in the corner. Like, we're done with you for a bit. And when your time comes, and people clamor for your return, we'll bring you back. Because there's gonna come a time, we don't want to admit it as Marvel Snap players, but there's gonna come a time, in the future, where we're like. Imagine if we had Leech right now, because he does have an important role to play for as a release valve, right? We just don't like to think about that because he's so annoying for now. I think he's taking the time out.
Cozy Snap:And sometimes you put your kid in timeout and they didn't learn anything. And that is the case with Thanos, in my opinion. They, now I do like the change. I will say that I like the change, the time stone. If you guys don't know is the next card that you draw, it's the America Chavez effect. But the next card that you draw has now negative one cost, kind of like a, like a shocker mixed with America Chavez. And I like it. I do. I think that was a healthy change. Did it do anything though?
Alexander Coccia:No, it didn't do anything, but like, it is a good change. It definitely weakens the archetype. Cause it yeah, it's just, it's the appropriate change. However, it doesn't offset adding a great card into the mix in like Machi Bird and Cull Obsidian and pretty much everything else you've added to this deck over the past month and a half. It just doesn't compensate for that, but I think the change does make sense because it was way too reliable to, to ramp out major things. And again, this is another Point of saying like we can maybe talk about Pro X getting power back because Timestone to Pro X was like one of the worst things in Snap's history because you knew what life was coming next, right? So you neuter this a little bit and so Pro X might be able to get a look.
Cozy Snap:If you're the Warriors and you have a just stack roster and someone's got to sit out like you're fine because you've got plenty of other good players and that's kind of how it felt here. It's just at this point if you look back there's just been so many changes. Remember when Loki was dominant and there's like 10 like the cable nerf, right? They were trying to figure out Loki without addressing Loki, and again, I think Glenn does a great job, but in this case, it's like, I feel like Thanos had so many people take a hit, and it's getting to the point that they're trying to say they're going to put him in timeout, but he's not going, man. He's like, he refuses to go, and he's going to be a problem moving forward, because there's even more cards coming out that can continue to help him.
Alexander Coccia:I would make the argument, though, that like, I think that when you talk about putting cards in timeout, Leech and Thanos are different. Like, I don't know, you don't want Thanos in timeout. Like, that is such a great card for the game. You know what I mean? Like, it is such a unique way to play, he's an iconic character, you don't want to put him in timeout. Like, who cares about Leech? You know what I mean?
Cozy Snap:Yeah, I mean, they're, on the notes, they were like, He's been, we expect him to be bad, but that's okay, because he's been good, and it's like, no, he's still good. But yes, I I agree. I love it. I love Thanos. And again, I'm all for like an iconic character, iconic villain, probably, you know, the most iconic. Not being good. Like, we want that to be a good card in Snap. It's just been a long while now, and I know a lot of people are, are probably you know, wanting to see other decks to go against. But, all in all, that is going to be the patch, and with the six cost talk of Thanos. Alex and I are going to rank all of the 6 cost cards in Marvel Snap from best to worst. So we pick up here at the 6 cost tier list. Again, we had great remarks about the 5 cost, so we decided to do it again. Let us know if you guys like it. I think this is a cool way to talk about, like, every card in Snap. Even briefly and and, and get a little friendly debating in here. We're going to go in alphabetical order and shoot through these, man. It's crazy how many 6 cost cards we've gotten over the days. Of Snap being out, and we start with Agatha, my friend. Agatha Harkness. Has she done enough? Has she done, I was about to say, has she done enough as enough cards come out to get her to go to C? You're saying she's straight to F?
Alexander Coccia:She's gotta be straight to F, come on, like, I, listen, I know you had the run. The famous Cozy Agatha run. One of my favorite videos, honestly. It's so good. But like, let's be honest, man. We also don't want Agatha to be a legit meta contender. Because then like, all the bots are farming. Like, it messes up all the stats. Like, like, I don't know about you, but when I go to untap, I filter like, Agatha X'd out. Like, I don't want to see Agatha's stats, because I don't know what's going on with that. Like, Why are there like 67 percent win rate Agatha decks? They must be farming each other or something.
Cozy Snap:There's something fishy going on there. Cause they're definitely not farmed. They're not like getting these wins off like these K's are decks. Yeah. I've seen those too. I'm like, what the hell?
Alexander Coccia:She's
Cozy Snap:better than she was, but yeah, she still laughs. Like she, she is, she's gone up in value, but again, it's a card that. Like, as the biggest lover of Agatha, and I think she's, she, she, she's won my heart. She's still, she's still just not comparable to the ones on the list. So, I agree there, man. Let's move on to probably another easy one in Alioth. We can both say, pretty confidently, S tier S tier here. And, Alioth is such A strong, debated card. Seriously, from content creators to players alike, I see people just either hate him, want him deleted from the game, or they like what he brings. I guess this is not the time for that discussion. But, he is an easy S tier as far as what he does, right?
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, I agree 100%. Definitely S tier. Probably lower end on S tier, who's much higher performance. I remember his release, oh my gosh. But like, I don't, like his current iteration's fine, but I still don't like it. I don't like its effect on ghosts, I don't like its effect on Invisible Woman. Like, I think it has this like, It's kind of ruining cards in the periphery in a way that I don't think is designed. Like we're just happy with where it is right now. Like it's not ruining the meta, but I still think it needs a little bit of a look.
Cozy Snap:It was like what Leech was for a long time. Like he kind of just like, it was like, Oh, we can tolerate it. Let's get back to it. That's probably what's going to happen with Alioth. Next up is Apoc, which I feel like when we did do a tier list before like this, I feel like he kind of just always ends up in B tier. No,
Alexander Coccia:I can see him being low A. Like he's probably a high B, low A card.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, I, I, this is going to be the definition of we will move him as we go along. I think there's so many good 6 costs. Like, we had like a good amount of Bs last time. So, we'll see if that ends up being too, too populated. But yeah, he, he does his job great. We love him. But, does he kind of go over the And, and really what it is, is it's versatility, right? Like, I think that's obviously holding him back. Like, even in Hella, let's say, an Alternate to Discard. You just, you're not playing him all that much. Arnim Zola, I'm gonna let you kick off Arnim Zola.
Alexander Coccia:I feel like he's a C card, not because I don't like him, but because he lacks versatility.
Cozy Snap:Versatility? I feel like he's, he's rather versatile. I, I see B tier for me was like, the, the definite, like, I felt really good about that. You like C tier.
Alexander Coccia:Listen, I like Zola. I like Zola a lot, but I just feel like, hey, you see him coming, like, oh, it's Black Panther by himself. I wonder what's gonna happen, right? It's, like, I feel like there is a very readable play. And it's kind of the same thing with Apocalypse, right? Like, Apocalypse never catches people by surprise the way Alioth does. Like, you just math out the Apocalypse play. You know exactly what it is. So, Zola, I'll accept low B. I accept it.
Cozy Snap:I was, I was gonna go with what you said here. I was gonna go with C. I just, I've between, like, the Venom plays, the Ravonna synergy in there now, a little bit of chaos with He's won me enough and I play him enough that I have him in B but I do, I do see there'd be plenty of people that would probably put him in C. I can understand that. Next up is Blob. Do we have another easy S tier?
Alexander Coccia:You know what? I, I'm actually kind of lower on Blob than most. I would accept S, but I don't think he's as good as Alioth. I almost feel like he's a good A card now. Like, I, if I have a choice between Magneto and Alioth, I lean towards Magneto. Like, not because, it's the disruption factor. Like, I, I, okay, I've been getting 15 power Blobs. I've been getting 16 power Blobs. Nothing to scoff at. Right? Like, nothing to scoff at power wise. But that's all he is. It's a stick. It's a stick of stats, whereas Magneto does all these different things. Dr. Doom has access to different locations. I think Blob is a little weak. It's much weaker than it was before, obviously. But I would accept S, but I could see the argument for him being an A.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, I like him in S. Just, I feel like he is a game winner. Like, he can win you the games. Like, there's so many times where I'm going against a Thanos dude. Thanos deck, I did everything right. And I'm like, I still lose the blob here. Like, there's still nothing I can do. Cannonball, funny enough, we didn't mention this. Because it's very niche, you have to like, not have priority. You have to guess where they're gonna play it. Like, I get that he's a can he's gonna be the blob counter. But also, like, I don't really, I don't, nah, I don't think it's gonna be It's not actually, yeah. Yeah, it's like cool on paper, but, you know, it just doesn't actual out. But yeah, for now, I would say S We'll see what happens, but he's one of the best in my book. Death is not a six cost. I always hate this talk, but it is. Let's get real. Where are we putting death?
Alexander Coccia:I would say she's probably a high B. Like I could see her being a, but I would think high B because if you think about it, On her own, she, first of all, you can't just play Death on her own. You need to actually synergize with other cards to make the card happen. I like it in discard because obviously the target discard effect of it being an 8 cost will protect Hela and stuff like that, but we're playing Corvus now anyway, so who cares about that? I can see her being A or B, but I think low A, low A, high B.
Cozy Snap:I feel like Death is probably low A in my book. Yeah, I feel like they're, just honestly, because of Destroy. Like, because of where Destroy's at and how good the archetype is. The hell of C. So she's not like pinned to just one deck. I, I definitely get your argument. This'll be a cool list to do because I do feel like we might have a good amount of dramatic change of the placements here. That takes us to Destroyer next. He got a power increase, Alex. Is he C tier?
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, he's C tier. He didn't, like, the power increase I'm happy with, but the decks have not shown to be good enough. Like, you're not playing Warpath Armor anymore. Like, it's just not, like, we've progressed so far past that. It's still a good card. I still like it. I still like the Shuri into Nimrod into Destroyer line. Like, I still enjoy that. But it's, It's just not there.
Cozy Snap:There's just too much. Yeah. Too much. There's too many locations that can mess with you. Like Blob, let's say if he gets pulled down by Sakaar, you're like, there goes some of my deck. Destroyer could just ruin everything that just happened. Right. And so like, even with like a gladiator, like there's just a lot of just bad negative things. I do agree. C Tier feels about right. Dr. Doom, we can, we could be, we could be quicker here. I think he will take over the top spot as of now. For the S Tier, the, the catch all, the catch all card, and, and, and one that snapped so weird when he had the four power bots. Like, it was just a weird time, and, and I definitely think he deserves to be as that anchor of average power of five. I don't know what I was going to say there, but to the anchor, just a good card. Yeah, great card in Snap.
Alexander Coccia:He's the baseline 6 card and I agree. He definitely deserves to be S tier.
Cozy Snap:Next up, Galactus. This will be a fun one to rank. Where do you have Galactus?
Alexander Coccia:High A for me. I like Galactus. I like where he is right now. I'm I've been getting to infinite using Galactus. Like, I really like the Galactus Annihilus decks. I think they're phenomenal. I think they're some of the best decks in the game that no one's playing. I like Galactus where he is. He's often a surprise piece. I don't think a lot of people like I'm snapping on games and I'm like, Buddy, like, the location is locked at negative 4. Power like I'm gonna Galactus you like don't stay in this game and they do and I'm like, okay Well here we are I guess right I people aren't counting on Galactus You're not seeing it much as a meta share and I think that gives it a chance to steal cubes
Cozy Snap:I agree. I think Galactus is at a good spot. I do. I think he's at a fine spot right now And that deck is competitive I don't know if it's more of a Nihilist doing some of the heavy lifting there over Galactus sometimes but I I think that he is Right where they need to be, and let's leave him there for now, but he is a good card. I probably have him lower A to be fair, but I do think he's a good card in Snap. Certainly better than Apoc, Arnum, everybody below him there. Next up, Giganto, and I've got him probably, honestly, might be lower than Agatha. I mean, it's like right there with Agatha, in my opinion. When you look at now what we have, you said it earlier, we have Cole Obsidian as a freaking 10 power card. Guess what? You get a pick where you play him outside of the one drop thing, The left side only, we've moved on from this era in Snap, I feel like, and he's just been left behind.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, he needs to be like, 16 power, like a destroyer, to make more sense. And he's only used in decks where like, you want to discard him, or like, he's just a 14 power stat stick anyways. So he has his uses there, but you're not, like, the whole can't play mid or right thing, it doesn't make sense. Like, it's a weak card, it's an F.
Cozy Snap:And even in those decks, man, like, even in like Dracula Dump and whatnot, like, you are like, Eh, you know what, I'd rather go Magneto because then at least I can like, shoot, I, I lose out on two power, but I get to pick where I get to play. And I have usually a thing that works, you know, for me. I agree. One of the worst cards. Heimdall still feels like a C to me, Alex. Would you agree? Yep. That's exactly where Heimdall belongs. Okay. Yeah, we won't say much about him. I think it's obvious he did get a power increase. His days may, you know, improve eventually, but we have been saying that now about a year now, and it just hasn't gone that way. Hela! Hela Hela. What do you got here?
Alexander Coccia:I kind of want to say low S, but I think she's minimum high A. Because, like, realistically, like, Hela itself is, like, She's an archetype defining card, like, it's so random. I don't know, man. The cube rate speaks for itself. The hell is Steel's Cubes?
Cozy Snap:It's gotta be ass. Even though I get, I totally get what you're saying. Like, there, there is like, what is she, you know, is she doing everything herself? No, but she still has One of the most unique, powerful effects in Snap, and because of that, I agree, she may be even higher. Certainly, we're making this video, like, if we were to look at this a year ago, it's so, we would be shocked putting Hela here. Really, just a meme card then. Hela Carrier, has there been enough done to warrant this out of F Tier? I think if there's a D tier, that's where I like it. I I like Helicarrier. I like what they've done with it, but I will say, you you get a little clunky with those decks, right? Like, most of the time, you'd rather go pure Discard. You'd rather go pure Collector. It's not that it's a bad deck, I just feel like it could be a tougher one to place.
Alexander Coccia:Right now, the collector discard, I think has a percentage, a single percentage advantage over the standard Corvus Hela discard list, which is crazy to me. The exact deck you're talking about, Collector, Hela Carrier, so by that, in and of itself, I think it needs to be at least low B, which is funny because like, It's beating Apocalypse statistically, but I don't think it's as good as Apocalypse is. Like, it's just that particular deck is working for it. And so, like, the card itself could be C, low B, probably high C, maybe. But it's kind of interesting to think that the deck with Collector, it's actually getting the job done, honestly.
Cozy Snap:It's hard for me to look at the stats and say, put him up there in the B. I have him at high C for now, but I agree, like, once we get this B built, If we look at these and we're like, ah, it's, these are supporting cards like that is, then I agree. I, I, again, talk about a really like, good rework for a card. I, I thought it was much more appropriate and definitely has some synergy now with a lot more. And we are starting to get into some more hybrid builds that are being more consistent as either or playlines, so I do agree there. Hulk, let's face it guys, we're not gonna even talk about Patriot Hulk, we're just talking High Evo Hulk, that's really the Hulk of today. Clearly the S tier. Is it the, is it the top of this? Is it below Doom and then everything else? Do you have it above Doom? What do you think?
Alexander Coccia:I have it above Doom, and if I'm getting picky, I'd swap Alioth and blah, but that's just me. But yeah, I think it's literally one of the best six drops in the game, for sure. And I think one of the slept on things, especially with Hope Summers, is that if you float an extra energy, at the end of the game, he plus twos again. Right? Which is, I think, catches a lot of people by surprise. I like the Hulk. I think, like, this was a card that, like, Vanilla Hulk was basically never played into one of the best cards in SNOP.
Cozy Snap:I agree. I think Hulk is so good that there might be a card coming out just to counter him. So, like, I completely, completely agree there with the release of, like, something like Kyre. It's made it even more difficult. Noel is next on our list, and Noel is a tough one, Alex, because I think both of us could feel pretty good about putting him at the top of A, but he also is like, is that defining card in that archetype, right? Like, he really does just win, win and win, and he feels like an anchor. Is he top of A though? Is that where we have him?
Alexander Coccia:It's funny when I play with Null, I often feel like when I'm deck building, I kind of want to cut him. But anytime I've cut him, he's felt, I'm like, I need Hull. I need Null back. Like this was a massive mistake. Right? So like, he definitely is one of the cards you need in Destroy. I tend to think Death is more valuable, but I could see why Null is like, it's, it's such a good card and it's, I don't know, between Death and Null, I think I'd take Death, but I can see Null being on aggregate better.
Cozy Snap:The threat of both of them is important to destroy. Like, the opponent needs to think both of them are in your deck, even if you don't have both of them, right? Like, I, there has been countless Destroyer games I've left, probably, even though they don't have either. But I have to assume they do. I have to assume they do. And so, yes definitely Destroyer is such a, a well oiled machine. It's tough to take out any of these cogs to get the full working you know, Titan that it is. Leader, in my definition, Is one that I would fight for to go and be, even though I get it's usage. I, I, I can't help but tell, every time I end up playing leader in a deck, I'm pretty satisfied with how the deck performs, and what you can pull out. We're getting more and more decks that are just relying on that. Bam, six drop, huge power play at the end. He lost that kind of, that kind of kick when we were in that meta that was just like dropping low cost at the end, right? But now that we're kind of shifting back here, it feels like he could earn himself low B, but you know, you, you can convince me to go see if that's what you want to do.
Alexander Coccia:I, I would definitely lean towards C. I mean, like Helicarrier, for instance, as the barometer is in like a legit meta deck and Leader, I don't remember the last time I saw Leader unironically. You know what I mean? It's like, so I, I definitely see what you're saying. Probably an underappreciated card, honestly, but a little more powerful than I think we expect it to be. But I don't think it cracks me yet. Like, I don't think it's doing what Apocalypse or Zola are doing, and sure as hell it's not doing what Helicarrier's doing, so. In terms of the meta right now, it's definitely C.
Cozy Snap:What I will say that I do like about him, though, to in on him, is that, like, Helicarrier, the decks and stuff are great, I mean, but, like, It's with a great archetype. Whereas, like, you have all these things that are just killer with the deck. Whereas, like, Leader's just independent. He's just by himself. He, he, he comes with the package deal. There's no other subscriptions, right? So that's, that would be my argument there. But Magneto, I think we can firmly say is an S Tier. You'd probably have him higher than I have him in S Tier. I think he's not above I don't even know if I put him above Blob, I'll be honest, man. I, Blob, it, it's close, nah, I would put him above Blob. I think mainly because the deck diversity, you don't need high power cards, you don't need anything with him. And the counter metric, he's an offense and defense card. We've talked about that. And because of that sole reason, I do think he's right below Blob. Probably Alioth.
Alexander Coccia:I would, yeah, he's, he's probably below Alioth, definitely over Helen Blob. Yeah. I like this. And there's, I mean, this is, there's times where I'm like, I need a high power six drop and usually used to default to Dr. Noom. I'm often still taking Magneto, like depending on the meta. Right. So like Magneto is truly a remarkable card and has been for the longest time.
Cozy Snap:This is feeling like a really good top end event. Like so far I'm looking at the list and I'm pretty happy about it. I think we've got ourselves a pretty good one. Next up is Odin, and I always feel like Odin and our next card, Onslaught, both these guys, we'll go with Odin first. These are tough to rank, right? Because like, the games you've won with them, you remember. Because they are over the top winning cards, right? Like, you get the Odin combo, it's over. You Onslaught with a Living Tribunal, done. Where do you have them? Let's go Odin first.
Alexander Coccia:I mean, I feel like Odin's probably a B card. I do like it as an A card, but I think realistically it's a B card. It needs the full supporting cast for it to really do anything. That, that is what Odin does. It needs the support. So, definitely B for me.
Cozy Snap:I'm okay with that. What about Onslaught? I think he's above Odin. I
Alexander Coccia:think Onslaught ends up being the same thing. It's a B card. Like, it's absolutely fair again, needs the supporting cast, but that's what they do well. Decent B card, for sure.
Cozy Snap:Does this feel good to you, Onslaught, one over Odin? Both over Odin? Yep. Okay,
Alexander Coccia:yep. I would probably swap Odin and Onslaught, but that's nitpicky. I don't care.
Cozy Snap:I think the high end of Onslaught right now in Tribunal is better than the high end of Odin just in that one deck regard, but the usage of Odin is more. So it is a pick for tag, I agree. I agree. Listen, let's be realistic, we can like the card, but Orca, in his usage, go ahead.
Alexander Coccia:He's a C card, fine, but like, there was that time when Ms. Marvel was absolutely cracked, where he would get you to like 21 power by himself, because you just drop him into the Ms. Marvel lane, so yeah, Orca. Also, I watched Wakanda forever, I was so sad Orca wasn't in it. I was 100 percent expecting Orca to be in it. I was like, where's Orca? I saw a tomb of Orca! I saw it on Namor, no Orca, and on Netflix or whatever, Disney whatever, it's like, no, did not like it. I'm kidding, I did like it, it was a good movie, but I was missing Orca.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, I feel like I feel like he might be hard to, you know, like, I feel like there's some heroes that are hard to make into the MCU, right? But if they could do Art of Zola, dammit, they could do Orca. I want to see Vin Diesel as Orca or something. Next up, we've got She Hulk. And, you're gonna talk me out of it. I have, I have SheHulk in the S Tier, personally. I think she's one of the best, most versatile, great cards, catch them all. Do you want her in A though? No,
Alexander Coccia:why, why would I talk you out of an S Tier SheHulk? That's exactly where I was gonna put it. I don't know, I feel like I
Cozy Snap:was high up on it. Okay, you have her in S Tier? Okay, okay. Yeah. I'm glad to hear it. Okay, dude, where though, on this list?
Alexander Coccia:I would put her exactly where you have her right now.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, that actually feels pretty good. I think that's about right. I mean, you could say, give or take, like, depending on Hella and how she's, you know, doing, maybe, maybe, maybe could squeeze above her sometimes. But yeah, I think this is a good list. I think time has shown over and over. SheHulk's great. It doesn't even matter how Moby is coming in the game. SheHulk is great, and with Hope Summers, it made her even better, man, which is crazy. Pixie made her better. Like, all the cards have come out and just made her work seamlessly. We have a lot of cards that that could be played early. And they come with some condition. And her condition definitely feels the best to me, because there's decks that want that condition done, right?
Alexander Coccia:And audio listeners, that's end of S. The low end of S is where She Hulk ended up going.
Cozy Snap:Thank you. Scar's next, our newest 6 cost card. And where do we've got Scar, man? Is he, is he making the threshold of B? Is he down to C with Helicarrier? What do you think?
Alexander Coccia:I mean, I, I lean towards low B. I would accept low B for Scar. But I can see the, the, I can see the argument for high C.
Cozy Snap:I think when he came out, it was high C. With the cards we have available now, we're getting closer to, like, hey, you can start playing him. You can start playing him and feeling a little bit better here. Especially with Hope Summers, you can cheat out bigger cards. Upsetting Cole came out. Even Pixie to a degree. You can discount, you know, maybe his new forecast down to, like, there's a lot of ways to play him out, cheat him out. I agree. Spectrum. Spectrum. Man, they've done a lot. You know, kind of, not really, but a little bit for Spectrum. Spectrum. I probably have her above Helicarrier, but I have her in C.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, definitely a C card, which is unfortunate, but they, like, they added a little bit of love to you know, Ant Man, which helps that archetype a little bit, but as a whole, if you go full ongoing, first of all, it's highly readable, highly susceptible to Enchantress, but yeah, C is where she belongs.
Cozy Snap:We're starting to get congested because we know Thanos is definitely going in the S tier and I think we can firmly say he's probably not probably, he is going to be the, the, the king of the throne. He's the king of the throne up here and we do have a really good bell curve going on outside of A tier. Definitely A tier is is struggling and we do, you know, usually want to reserve S for the top of the top and if, if we so did, we would probably move down, you know, the latter four of them. I would say probably Magneto starting there. The other ones really feel like they're at the top of the game. Thanos, we just talked about him. Don't have to say much more. He's king of Snap at the moment. Infinite though, where do you have him?
Alexander Coccia:I mean, Infinite I can see being low B. Maybe high C. Actually, you know what, I'm going to say he's a C. Even when I've been making She Hulk decks, I'll be honest with you with Hope Summers and with all the ramp we have available, we are often in a situation where Hulk is getting to 20 power without the need to be skipping turns, honestly. Like, Hulk is almost always 20 power, 18 power, close, right? Why do I need to skip turns with and try to run that Infinite play? Like, don't get me wrong, it still is a use, but I feel like Hulk is kind of knocking at the gates of Infinite.
Cozy Snap:I understand where you're coming from. I think Black Knight and Hela and Drackdump, it's, it's like a win. It's a win. Like if you get the blade, if you, if they have the Black Knight and the blade comes down and it's, if it's like, Hey, GG, we'll see you next time. Right? And so I get what you're saying in the traditional sense, which is kind of the only way we used to play them. Yeah. I have a hard time not putting him in, in, in B, probably above Onslaught even, like, in just his overall, like, where he's used across the game right now. But yeah, as far as, like, the skipping the turn play and, and, and trying to get, like, you know, the She Hulk play with that, there's just almost more reliable lines, to your point, and I would agree there. So you know, mixing kind of both there. Do you think that's okay?
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, I agree 100%. Actually, my initial assessment was too narrow. You're right. He's being used in Black Knight, he's being used in Hela, he's being used pretty much everywhere else. Not necessarily the traditional She Naut style deck. So, no, your assessment's correct.
Cozy Snap:Alright, next up we've got two more. We have Living Tribunal, and I got him probably kinda helping this A tier out a little bit, and probably right here at that, you know, just does his role in the deck, and it's a tough one to beat.
Alexander Coccia:It is. No, I 100 percent agree. Definitely an A card. It's, it's good. It's one of the few cards that can vertically beat Hela, right? It's a good card.
Cozy Snap:I feel like he like, I like that his deck exists, right? Because if there's other things going on, like, his deck can just win, and then it keeps the game balanced in terms of, like, tech cards and things. Ultron, I got, you know, I got to play him again this week. I'm so happy. I love Ultron. I wish he was better. I really do. I think he's a good card at times or whatever, but for the most part, you're pretty much coping. Is he, ooh, man, because you can win with him, man. You can win with him. I would have him above Destroyer, is where I would put him, personally.
Alexander Coccia:Yep, I agree. I would put him above Leader. Personally, but I can see her. I he's better than leader. Come on.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, I agree. I think I'd play it. Yeah. Especially because that archetype is just so much stronger. So that is going to be the ranking. I mean, I think again, we could probably knock down, maybe potentially she hold down a, but outside of that, like this feels like a list that we could both think Agree on nothing feels out of the ordinary massively, and even in the placement department but these are fun, man. Again, it, it lets us look at an overview of all the cars, the current meta, also talk about them, rank them. If you guys want us to continue to do these, let us know. We have a lot more like Forecast would be a riot just because there's so many good ones in there as well, I think, too. And one.
Alexander Coccia:Cozy, Mockingbird released this week, and you know what? Thankfully, it came out just in time to help Thanos out after the time stop got nerfed. I can't even finish the statement. I can't even finish the sentence, Cozy. Did Thanos actually need Mockingbird? Hit us with your thoughts.
Cozy Snap:I know, it's, it's like they changed Pixie not to work with Thanos, and you thought there would be some way. The wordage per game that prides itself on being like simplistic, simplistic. There are just some things that are so wonky, and, and Thanos and his stones in his deck, but they're not, because they're not at the start of the game, so Loki can't copy him, and now, Mocky Bird can take advantage of it. It is, it's a bummer, because we got a lot to break down about her, but some of the best things I like about her, ultimately just worked better in Thanos, because of the way the deck worked.
Alexander Coccia:That is exactly my feeling too. I actually really like the card, and I've not even been playing her in Thanos, honestly. Like, I've been playing her everywhere else. But everyone I know is playing her in Thanos, right? And it got to the point that even at some of the competitive tournaments we're seeing, people are playing Thanos with Mockingbird, but they know they're going to be mirror matching against Thanos Mockingbird, so they're including Mobius and Mobius into their lineup in order to counter the It is like, okay, you're just trying to stop them from doing what you're doing yourself. It is like this total mind game with Mockingbird, and it's a shame because the card definitely did not need Thanos. Right. And he had so many different things that it did well, but it's being shoehorned directly into Thanos. And I kind of felt bad cause I don't think it's actually a Thanos card.
Cozy Snap:You know, here's the thing. I think when she came out, I kind of talked about all the cars that you can cheat out. And really let's look at like Scar, She Hulk and her. Okay. When you're trying to do what you're already trying to do in a deck, the card is good because of She Hulk, she's a great card because she's working so well. Scar, you kind of have to pigeonhole a little bit of what's going on. That's what kind of bumps them down. Mockingbird, like you're just doing what you do just fine and most of the decks she's gonna be played in and that's why it's great because you're just getting good value and even if she's not discounted, she's 9F in power. But in Thanos, it's even more of a degree to that, right? Because you're begging to play out. Like in a Patriot deck, you don't have to play Brood all the time on that turn. There's maybe another option. In Thanos, you'll want to play the Mind Stone. Oh, you get two more cards to be able to discount. It's just this, like, a huge kind of snowball that gets out of control.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah. And like, honestly, she's running a 34 percent Meta share right now. So people picked up on the fact that this card was good. 54 percent win rate, solid cube rate. The card is just phenomenal. And that's all post infinite stats, by the way. So it is crushing statistically. And it's a shame cause it's almost Thanos, but both of us discussed non Thanos versions on last week's Snapchat. In fact, both of us released guides. that did not have Thanos at all. And you know what, Cozy? I gotta, I gotta give you credit because I got called out. I got called out hard and people were like, Alex, last week on the Snapchat, you said, you said, Alex, that Cozy was huffing hopium when he said Debris was going to be a good card with Mocky Bird. And then sure enough, I'm laying in bed that night and I'm thinking to I think Cozy's right, I think Debris might actually be good. And I released a video with Debris in it! Haha, that's awesome dude. And it was good! It was good, I liked it a lot.
Cozy Snap:She, again, what we opened up with, right? Like, she is great, she's best in Thanos. So the other decks, like, you're like, man, she could be better here. But yeah, dude, there's, she had more synergy than I give her credit for. And I'm really happy that the Cable ended up coming and getting his adjustment. Cause that was another card that can like, you know, You know, work in the blend of it all. Listen, it did what it did. Patriot was great with it, and it felt like a strong Patriot card. And it also feels like a great Moon Girl card. We kinda hit the nail right on that head when we talked about the synergies last week. And we pointed out most of the ones that hit big.
Alexander Coccia:It kind of made me wonder though. And I, I'm okay. We both like Patriot. You're a huge Patriot truther. I kind of felt like Patriot itself, that archetype needs something like it, like Mockingbird added a vertical element to it, but Patriot felt like it was hard. It couldn't compete with the Helidex. It couldn't compete with Thanos. It couldn't compete with power the way some of these other decks are doing. It seems like Marvel Snap is just going Evolved far enough where Classic Patriots is not doing it anymore.
Cozy Snap:And I think that's what was a bummer because it was a great car for Patriot, but it was a Better card for Thanos, and then it's like, aw, bummer. I needed this card for Patriot to compete with Thanos, but now it has the card too, so what do I do? The thing is, the Patriot deck, right, because I went back and looked, and I, and I don't, I think deck ownership, I'm not big on deck ownership and all that, but what I did see is when I was looking at the stats to, to, to compare my Mockingbird Patriot to my other super giant Patriot deck, 61 percent win rate, 6, 000 games played, very proud of where that one is standing at. And the only reason that's so competitive at the moment Is because it's not trying to go big. You're just the priority king. It's so good at early power, and then you go with a Supergiant or an Alioth play. Like, that is what the deck, that's the only way the deck can compete. Because if everything pops off in that deck, right? Everything. You need to have Patriot, Surfer down. You need to have the Absorbing Man on the Brood. You're looking at like 21 to 24 best case scenario with a double Abs Man pop kind of stuff. And there's decks that can even beat that pretty easily. It's a great wide deck, not a really good tall deck. And I thought maybe Mockybird would help. It does, but to our point, Thanos would help more.
Alexander Coccia:Exactly, like, and even to that extent, like, Tribunal surpasses that almost very consistently, right? And another archetype which is worth bringing up here is Zoo. Mockybird helped Zoo a lot. Like, legitimately, like, Zoo is running about a 53 percent win rate range, like not great, but it's Zoo. And Mockingbird was great there. Cause you see Dazzler, you see Sean, a Squirrel Girl and others. And but still like the major problem with Zoo is you go really wide, but you're not vertical enough and Mockingbird added that verticality, but it's just not enough because you work so hard to get Mockingbird out and all of his combinations, and then they discard Infinite, right? And Infinite just lands 20 power with Hela. And you're like, well, okay. Like, you know what I mean? Like, what do you even do? So. I really liked the card. I just, it was so unfortunate to me, as we've alluded to, that it helped Thanos too, like it really did not need to help the number one deck in the game.
Cozy Snap:Well, it's funny as if it didn't help Thanos, the number one deck and help the number two deck. And I, I would argue it's close to as good as Thanos and that's the Loki build. And I, and I think that the stats may not be there. I don't really care. I think Loki is a tougher card. Stat wise to look at. I don't always look at it just like in junk. I don't look at the stats there. But talk about again, you have what needs to happen for Loki. And then you just have this Mockingbird working right into it. And really, the Moongirl, this is the only place I loved her in. I loved Moongirl in this build particularly because you can not only have a lot of cheap cards that maybe you store with Mirage or Cable or whatever it might be, but in the same vein, you can build up the Devil Dinosaur and you can get Mockingbird. Now, you do need some things to go right sometimes, but it has always a gameplay and a game plan. And what it does best, in my opinion, is it allows you to have the other slots reserved for the tech cards. And then you're sitting good, you've got kind of everything in your arsenal, and you can copy Thanos's deck and end up going over the top there. So that was my favorite place outside of Patriot.
Alexander Coccia:You know what, I was so scared for a sec, I thought we weren't going to hit our Moon Girl quota, and you brought up Moon Girl? Come on,
Cozy Snap:yeah, yeah, yeah, I got it. I got a big ol calendar here. It says it had, what, six days since my last Moon Girl reference, it made a You know, set that back to zero,
Alexander Coccia:but you know what? Here's the important thing though. You're allowed to, because you, you just had a moon girl in your deck, right? Your Loki deck. Right. So like, you're allowed to actually brag a little bit. And the one thing I will say though, about Loki, I think it's way better than statistically it's showing because everyone is using Mobius right now. Mobius and Mobius is everywhere for Mockingbird. It was everywhere for Pixie as well. And so like, I think that Loki is catching strays right now because Mobius is so popular. And Mobius does have a very negative impact on Loki straight up. The one thing I will say though, is I think what really helped with Mockingbird was if you're playing a Loki deck, I think Loki is being used as like this, like second out on occasion, we saw it, we saw it on Glenn's negative deck as well. Right. Where it's like, Loki is the backup player. And so like, let's say you go with the full shield set up because you're playing your cards down with your Quinjet. You don't have to Loki and Mockingbird actually works really well there. And of course, Mockingbird works if top decked as well. So very versatile, but to your point, Loki, surprisingly complex to play. And I think that a lot of people miss that. I it's, it's much more complex than it originally was at a three, five, three, five. It was just play Loki and win, I guess. Right. But I think nowadays there's a lot more going on, especially with Mobius and Mobius in the mix.
Cozy Snap:I have so much fun when I don't even know my own game plan going in. And that's why I enjoy. You know, that's why the meme's there, man. That's why Agent Coulson has, has my heart. I just love the deck because it's the ultimate version of it. Mirage, Cable, Coulson. You get so much of the, what do I have to work with? What are the tools I'm gonna use to win? And then you now have Loki as that other thing. Be like, ah, I don't like the tools I got. Coulson gave me a and Sandman. Let's mix it up. And try it again. And it's just a fun day. It's so fun, Alex.
Alexander Coccia:Another thing worth mentioning when we talk about Mockingbird is the locations. It had so many synergistic locations, Savage Lands, you know, New York Park, or whatever the heck it's called. What's the New York Park again? I can't Central Park.
Cozy Snap:Central Park, you have Everyone in New
Alexander Coccia:York, man, I don't know, it's like seriously, does this guy not like, does he not know anything about the United States of America? What a silly Canadian. But yeah, so Central Park I was gonna say Monsters Inc. I'm all over the place right now. Anyways, so like, yeah, you know what I'm talking about. All those locations. I felt like we're really helping Mockingbird a lot. So I think this card was surprisingly well balanced. Cozy, I'll leave it to you to give your initial star rating.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, we gave it a four star, I think when we, when we let in, and honestly, I think that's where I have it. I think a four star, like, he, it's, it could be argued higher than that, but I feel like it's True Home, it's Thanos, it's Loki, a little bit of Patriot. And then you could, like, flex it into a couple of decks. Because of it's overall like reach and flexibility there, probably like a 4 still is where I feel like, but it's a good card, yeah.
Alexander Coccia:Without Mobius and Mobius, it's a 5 star card. Like, honestly, Mobius is really keeping it in check. It's definitely a 4, 4. 5 star. Definitely a card that is very, very strong. And Talk about cards that are very strong. We're going to do two separate top 10 deck lists right now and we're going to be talking about the X Men cards and we're going to be talking about the Avengers cards. And Kozy, we're gonna start with the X Men. We're gonna do top 10 decks decks. Top 10 cards. We're not talking decks, just the cards. But you might be playing them in decks right now because we do have the event going you know, as of recording. And Kozy, let's start with the X Men. By far my favorite of the X Men and the Avengers event. I've been loving the X Men. We actually, I released a video, I released a deck that's currently running a 58 percent win rate across 25, 000 games. It's absolutely slapping and it's slapping with Silver Surfer. Once this event goes away, the deck's terrible. It's really just taking advantage of the X Men synergy. However, what I will say is I've been loving it and I love my X Men. And we have X Men 97 coming out within a few weeks, isn't it?
Cozy Snap:Yeah. And they. That, I mean, it looks like they definitely did a good job with it, but then they released, like, the showrunner. It I don't know. It's gonna be it's gonna be interesting. I'm, I'm highly anticipating. I know there's a lot of, a lot of fans there, so it's gonna be a delicate, delicate region for people to They're gonna love it or they're gonna hate it, and I'm sure I'm sure I'm gonna love it, dude. 97 was my jam. I think overall, yeah, definitely the X Men was a bit better than the Avengers. That's why we'll probably give them a bit more time. You because anytime you have to do all in one location, right? Like, that just felt a little bit There's a lot of Avengers there. Of course, they left some Off that could be debated in certain circles that the mega Marvel fans were heard loud and clear this week. You want to start with honorable mentions?
Alexander Coccia:Yeah. I mean, for me, I think the honorable mentions for X Men have to include Rogue and Kitty Pryde. Neither reach our top 10, but like Rogue, I've had a ton of success with, especially with the amount of ongoing cars that are present in the meta right now, destroys Tribunal, destroys Ms. Marvel feels like it does a great job stealing Mobius and Mobius as well. So I could play Seraph for instance. I've liked it. I've liked Rogue, and Kitty Pride, I think, is like, man, it used to be the best card in the game. It's just, it's off of its perch, but it's a good card.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, I would go Negasonic is right on the cusp. I think it was harder to make this Top 10. Alex and I were like, no, this should be in another this, and so we're off on a couple of them in Negasonic. Was the card on my list. You know, I put it in that Patriot deck that, that was doing okay. And it's because people just don't respect her, man. People don't respect her. And then you put on top of that with Silver Surfer and a really good card. And then Cable. Cable was the other one again just recently buffed up. I think he's great to steal. And he just made sense in giving you a potential alternate win condition. And so many people were playing X Men and Avenger cards. You probably got an X Men from it. And then you were able to just roll with that. So I definitely liked him. But what do we have at number 10?
Alexander Coccia:So, in this Top 10s, by the way, we're not just talking about the event cards themselves, we're just talking about, in general, how we play them, archetypes, defining, etc, etc. And that takes us to our number 10, which is X 23. Now, X 23 and Destroy, not necessarily benefiting too much from this event, but X 23 is one of the best one drops in the game, one of the best X Men in the game, one of the best Destroy cards in the game. You cannot argue with that. That X23 is not an absolutely remarkable card.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, I mean, heck, maybe I weighted the event too much here, and she should be high. I mean, she is just, she's just doing her role in Destroy, but that role is so high. And we've had this argument with a lot of cards, right? We're like, they bring so much to that one type. Now we are getting Hope Summers and other ways to boost up and get energy, but definitely just an absolute ridiculous card could go higher than that. But we love her. Moving on in nine.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, number nine, it's it's Iceman, the man of ice. And I got to tell you, I love this card. It used to be one of the absolute top tier cards of Marvel Snap. It's fallen off a little bit. I feel like we've had some power creep for poor little Iceman here. And you know, Spider Ham perhaps sat on his perch for a bit and then Spider Ham got changed and et cetera, but honestly, I still like Iceman. And I don't know about you, but I've had moments where I've played Iceman on turn one and people just leave. I don't know. Did I hit their Sarah or something? They just tilted out? Like, I don't know, right? You don't know. You don't know what they hit, but Iceman is definitely a fantastic card.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, I, I think he's still as good as he's been for a while. I think he, the guy, he, he serves his purpose and It just feels good doing something on Turn 1 sometimes, okay? It just feels good getting him out there. You know you've done your deed. Obviously in balance and whatnot, he can get a bit more effective on that. But it, outside of clearly maybe the last, he feels good to play probably Turn 3 and down really good. I think that's what can hurt him is when you draw him. The power creep that you kind of mentioned, I think are, we're getting one cost cards that don't care when they're played more and more. Right. And that can be, can be tough. Obviously Spider Ham. Yeah. Definitely like him though. He's a good card overall and very flexible, which is probably what netted him the number nine.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah. And again, Mobius on Mobius does have a negative impact on Iceman's viability as well when it's taking over the meta. Number eight is a card that honestly, when I was first doing this list, I would have taken it off because he's like, nah, nah, nah, smart not bud. We got to have this in there. And that's Beast. Beast is a card that has seen multiple changes and let's be honest, it basically carries an entire archetype, right? Beast Bounce is just, it's the card. Beast is Bounce, basically. And it's a remarkably powerful card. The it's been changed. I mean, the negative one cost the next turn, I think really impacted it. We haven't seen as much Beast since that change, but still, still meta defining. Archetype defining. It's a good card.
Cozy Snap:Yeah. I think, yeah, I mean, Falcon and Beast together. Why not? That they are just the, the deadly duo. And I think people that were very big into balance have said, Hey, I kind of like them this way too. The two cost feels good. A whole cost reduction for a power that great, even though it does kick back is on reveal a little bit. Very solid, very good. Well, let's go ahead and stick with the, the leader of the X Men who I, man, listen, okay, again, we said he could probably get buffed up a little bit. Professor X, though, is still doing what he does best. I think he feels pretty solid right now at where he's at. I mean, the guy just, dude, he's a game winner, game winner, and he's very, very Just punishing, right? Like, I don't know about you, but if you just forget to play you know, in a lane, you save it for the intern or whatever, and they end up slapping that on, it's Sayonara for the lane. I just think his effect is so unique, and we're getting more cards now, starting to support him again. I think 5 2 could be a healthy balance, but then I don't know, maybe you lose the Ravonna synergy.
Alexander Coccia:I mean, listen, I actually believe that he should probably go back to 5 3 considering War Machine's also coming out next week. Wouldn't surprise me if an OTA buffed him up. I, I like, listen, it's a unique effect, but we're, we're getting a lot of opportunities to cheat that effect. Jeff does it, War Machine does it Ms. Marble has reach into it. I mean, Claw does it, but that's not really the same thing. You know what I mean? But we have all these ways to mitigate it. I mean, obviously Tribunal doesn't care about Professor X. I don't think he is what he used to be, and I feel like he can get buffed.
Cozy Snap:We're getting a lot of cards, er, not getting cards, but like, the Nebulas, the Sunspots, like, that's why he was in the high evil list for me, like, there's a lot of cards that just, like, They continue to get good after UX, which is always solid too, but yeah, to your point, War Machine, I think Control is at a great spot right now, and War Machine is, is gonna be a scary, scary card coming out. But yeah, definitely we got Pro X next up on the list of the top
Alexander Coccia:10 is who? Number six is going to be armor. Armor is one of those cards I think has a lot of capabilities. I know people are leaning towards Kyara, but I've actually been cutting Kyara from a lot of my decks and including armor because it really has a negative impact on destroy. Like it is a snap condition against destroy and destroy, even if it's kind of in the gutter a little bit, represents often between five and 10 percent of the meta at any given time. And that's kind of where it's sitting right now. And I like armor. It has a lot of utility, both offensively and defensively. Naturally love the card.
Cozy Snap:Yeah. I think if you have a lot of, obviously ones and sixes go, go Kyara, but it just, that one cost difference is, is huge at times being able to play her out on the two curve feels good. Most of the time she could be a location winner as well. Like desk domain, whatever, like you can go in there and really work on it. Just such a good. Flexible card. And she had a little bit of time outside the limelight, but she's back.
Alexander Coccia:Magic comes in at number five. And honestly, I can even see this card sliding up higher. One of my favorite cards in the game. One of the most elegant changes they've ever made to a card. It used to be one of the most broken cards in the game, changing turn six into, into limbo, and then basically going to turn seven, your opponent's like, well, I just did everything. And now I'm screwed to this card's on playable to actually, Hey, it's playable. It's good. It's fair. All right.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, it feels like there's a good balance of like magic decks versus non magic decks. Like when there's too many, it's nothing but like the Legion and like there's just so many cards to try to get rid of the magic. And you know, obviously right now we've got the Tribunal, we've got the the High Evo play, but Magic's fun. Definitely great, doesn't add too much time to a match, but definitely changes up enough strategy, and yeah, I'm all here for it.
Alexander Coccia:And number four is gonna be a card that's often played alongside Magic. That's Cyclops. Cyclops in and of its own is not very impressive, but in those high evolutionary shells, it's literally the, I mean, it is the card that crushes for that archetype. Cyclops really helps carry high Evo. And of course the Hulk does too. Cyclops truly remarkable as an X Men, absolutely love it.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, I mean they killed him off early in X3. He was terrible when the game came out, like Cyclops has had a tough time in media. And glad that he's good. Like, I just, I, I love him as a character. He is truly, like, if someone were to say, like, when you think X Men, what do you think of? He's up there in the top three. I would say, oh yeah, Cyclops. Like, of course, he's very, very iconic, and he definitely makes this list.
Alexander Coccia:In the animated series, it's basically the Cyclops show. Like he is so integral to that team. So yeah, Cyclops for sure. And that takes us to number three and that is another X Men cause that's what we're doing, obviously. And it's Storm. Storm. Now this has been a card that's kind of bounced back and forth in terms of meta relevance. When Move was super popular, we lost a little bit of Storm, but now Storm is making a comeback. Storm is legit cozy. Number three.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, I think Storm is as good as Control isn't, which sounds super weird, but like When you're not having to worry about like, Jeffs or like, Ms. Marvels reaching and getting bonus points and whatnot. But then she's also a huge helper towards that. I love Storm, man. I can't, I can't not have Storm in my surfer list. I can't not have her in a lot of lists where like, even like, Sentry. And they can't get rid of the Void or fill up that lane for the Void. Like, a lot of uses for her. And Cheap way to do it. Cheap way to make Marvel Snap a two lane game, and thus you can just Alioth, and you have the power in your hand, right? Like, most games in Snap, or a good chunk of them, it's like, they're playing in their location, you're playing in your location, and Storm is a huge benefit off that, I think.
Alexander Coccia:And also let's not sleep on the fact that you are, you do have some location control. The location correction is huge. Like I've been playing storm on turn six, right. To prevent limbo's or from whatever reason. Right. And I think that I think it's a great card. I think it's great. I've recently played storm into a rickety bridge, right. Where I just basically canceled the rickety bridge and perfect. I played my cards there and the opponent's like, well, I only put like a two drop there, one drop there just to kind of put something there. And then like the storm comes in and completely wrecks it. Right. So I think the versatility of storm is very important as well.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, the definition of a card that you can play early and late, and anytime you have a card like that, it's like Mockingbird it's, it's solid. That takes us to top two.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, we're in the top two. Now, our number two card is definitely a card you don't want to play late. It's one you want to play early, and that is going to be Sunspot. This has been a card that's been one of the absolute best one drops in Marvel Snap since its inception. It used to be a 1 1, and we used to joke on the earlier Snapchats, like, Whoa, Sunspot's just a 1 9, I guess. Like, the card is just remarkable. It since has been brought down a little bit, but I think the game has matured in a way where, like, You don't need to depend on Sunspot as much, but still an absolute phenomenal card.
Cozy Snap:And the inverse of She Hulk, right? Like, it's easy to skip energy. It's, you know, there's so many times you don't get the Zabu on 2, you get him on 3, So you play him, then you can float to the There's just You never feel bad about it. He is gonna get punished more with Red Hulk coming out. But he's a great guy.
Alexander Coccia:Oh, a hundred percent. A great card. One of my absolute favorite in the game. And that takes us to our number one X Men card. And I mean, listen, might be controversial, but it's the season pass card, it's Hope Summers. Hope Summers has had a definitely massive impact on the meta. It's a good card. Anytime you're getting additional power at the whim of playing into a location, you're going to be able to make use of it. It has benefited so many different archetypes. It goes into all different types of decks. Hope Summer is an absolute banger.
Cozy Snap:When you said controversial, I'm like, I think she's firmly here, but yes, as far as like, it's a season pass card that's here, it's tough tough. Yeah, she's, she's so good. I just, I love what she does for deck design really brings a lot to it. You know, definitely gonna be that, that card that when she goes into Series 5 and she's in a future Spotlight Cache, like, It could be a rough, if that card's above a two star, roll it. Doesn't matter. She's that good.
Alexander Coccia:I like how, just like myself, you have not upgraded the card yet, cause you're waiting for like, the, the Pandar Season Pass one. It has like a Kim Jacinto look to it, doesn't it?
Cozy Snap:Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, I've been like, usually, almost always, I at least like frame match it. This time I'm like, no. I'm saving everything. Everything, yeah, yeah it's a good one.
Alexander Coccia:You don't even need to free match it. You can just pick whatever you want in the builder thing. And why would you just pick, you could have just picked a different one anyway. But anyways, I get you cozy. I see you there. Good, good call there. Okay. So that's our top 10 X Men from the top to the bottom. Number one, we have Hope Summers. Number two, it's Sunspot. Number three, it's Storm. Number four, Cyclops. Five, Magic. Six, Armor. Seven, Professor X. Beast coming in at 9, and then finally, we do have I just read that all wrong. Beast was number 8, Iceman was 9, and 10 was X 23. Good counting there, Alex, well done. It's not like I'm a school teacher or anything. And that takes us to the Top 10 Avengers Card Cozy. We are going to start at number 10. We have Spider-Man.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, Spider-Man. What I'll say on that list on X-Men I think X 23, I think probably higher. Looking at that list again, I'm like, eh, I probably want her a bit higher on that. Probably better
Alexander Coccia:than Beast.
Cozy Snap:Yeah. Yeah. Probably like in the halfway mark there. But either way the adventure side, I, I found it a little bit easier, especially the top and is like, yeah, these are definitely the, the strongest Spider-Man coming in. Probably made, was the toughest decision was this bottom here of this barrel. There's like Ant Man, who is, is a 1. 5 now. Like, okay, you know, that's ridiculous. I think Spider Man is good. Where is that? Definitely still, you know, man almost feels like a cheaper cannonball in ways, right? Like you're moving the card. Yeah. You're moving this, but it's, it's a three cost and I, Spider Man's great. Always has been.
Alexander Coccia:And keep in mind now the change to Elsa improves Spider Man because now Spider Man gets the buff and stuff. Cause they reverted that those changes. So yeah, Spider Man, definitely a great card. Love the the impact that it has as we move on to number nine. And that's Daredevil. Daredevil might be a surprise to a lot of people, but I was recently playing Daredevil in my my Galactus and Nihilus deck. I love it, honestly, as Cozy shows off his God Split! And I gotta tell you, it's a great card, and I feel like Daredevil is criminally underplayed.
Cozy Snap:Daredevil is, I think people have the misconception that if you're like, you're good at Snap, you don't need Daredevil. And I don't think he does that role. Like, yeah, you can probably know what they're gonna play, it doesn't matter. Like, he just helps so much. I'd like to see more cards that benefit off him, right? Like, Hobgoblin's huge, you obviously have the Guardians of the Galaxy, Mantis, dare I say? No, but like, it is it's a card I'd like to see more synergy with. But super undervalued, extremely, especially like even in competitive play, it's just a massive advantage knowing exactly where and what they're going to play.
Alexander Coccia:And the snap equity you get from Daredevil's huge, like being able to snap on turn five, which is a pivotal turn where you can then flip the board state and then go into turn six. You're pulling like, oh man. Like, I can't actually do anything. You've doubled the stakes of the game. Like, you've doubled the stakes of the game on turn 5 with the information you need to punish your opponent. You know what I mean? And so, like, competitively, I think Daredevil is fantastic and I can't care over this split. Cozy, can
Cozy Snap:you
Alexander Coccia:please
Cozy Snap:do an audio read for us? Oh guys, I, sometimes it's your lucky day and I just, I had a good amount of, good amount of splits and he, he's one of those that just have, like, great variants regardless. And the watercolored variant of, of the it's actually Alex Coccia's body build. So it's, it's just you do what you want with your visuals there. I don't even know. It kind of looks like he's got, like, organs on the outside. It's like, less abs and more, like, the large intestine. But it is red. Just like the crackle behind him. Popping behind a gold border and a gold back. I, I, it doesn't get better.
Alexander Coccia:He literally has an 18 pack. Yeah, you're right. It looks completely weird. I don't know. Now that I'm staring at him, I'm like, wait a minute, you're right. Like, I don't know what's going on with those abs. There's something going on there, but yeah, Daredevil, absolute beauty. And that takes us to number eight, which is going to be the Vision. Vision's coming in at number eight. The only other one to casually lift Mjolnir. One of my favorite scenes in MCU. Vision, Cozy. We talked about him with Cannonball. Like, why play Cannonball when you can play Vision? And I still stand by that.
Cozy Snap:One of the best feeling cards to play on Turn 5, right? Like, cause you get the movement in there. It's not the worst thing to not play him. Sometimes there's other options and there's just so much locations that you love. We've talked about it. Hell, I won a game the other day cause I followed the coaching rule of When in doubt, they're just not gonna move Vision, right? So like, I just, I just accepted that, like, they're not moving Vision. I played around it, and there you go. Yeah, I think he's a phenomenal card, and You know, in, in, in, in game, they had to, or Infinity Ward, they had to kill him off early. They had to, at least, they had to wound him early. Corvus, like, stabs him. Because if they had Vision, it'd be over. Like, Vision's just, he's, he's OP. He's stupid good.
Alexander Coccia:This is like the fourth spoiler you've said in my last Dude, that's like
Cozy Snap:Darth Vader is Luke's dad, like, you know, it's like Bro, come on, oh my god, hating dislikes
Alexander Coccia:on the video. Listen, listen, there
Cozy Snap:is a, there's a statue of limitations as far as spoilers go. And, and I feel like, give or take 30 years for that one, give or take 10 years for that one. I don't know. Sorry guys, if I ruined it.
Alexander Coccia:Oh, it's okay. It's okay. But Vision is truly remarkable. Just like number seven, a brand new card to Marvel Snap, and that's Mockingbird. We actually decided Mockingbird comes in at number seven. And I mean, you could consider it higher. And it wouldn't surprise me if it drifts higher in the future, but there are such absolute bangers on this list. There are some Avengers that have been meta staples for so long. Mockingbird doesn't quite compete there, but it's still a phenomenal card.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, we spent the full subject on it, we won't say much more, but we didn't want full recency bias, so this is where she's at.
Alexander Coccia:Number six, the attorney at law, it's She Hulk. She Hulk comes in at number six, one of the most versatile cards in Marvel Snap. Another beautiful split there from Cozy Snap. Cozy, why do you like She Hulk?
Cozy Snap:It was tough to even put her this low, man. It's just, she works in every deck, man. She works in every single deck, pretty much. Just feels good to get out early, get out late. You know, maybe you only play a two cost on turn five and then like, Oh, well, then they just must've had nothing. And then you're able to really capitalize off off it. You have Shuri, you have everything. I love it. Great card.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, absolutely. Phenomenal card. And another phenomenal card number five, Miss Marvel used to be a four 15. Now it's only, it's only four. 14 Cozy I can't believe it. Ms. Marvel continues to be absolutely remarkable. Naturally, the condition has changed since the original launch. It doesn't matter though. This card is still a very powerful card. Cozy. What are your thoughts on Ms. Marvel?
Cozy Snap:I play her a lot less than I used to. I can I'll be honest, I don't I don't have and it could be that whole thing we've talked about where, like, when cards are good for so long, like, we've kind of, like Edged them out of our decks. I love that she has a comparable, kind of free to play, more option of Omega Red. And, and, and sometimes I prefer him. I'll be honest, just because of the condition. But it's just, yeah. She's where she's ranked for a reason. Incredible power. There's something to be said about power that isn't actual power, too. It's just, it's a great ability to have for several reasons, right? Like that faux power on Negative Zone, things like that. Just, Jotunheim, all around.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah. And of course, it'll reach into locations locked down by Professor X or whatever. I do agree that I've been playing less Ms. Marvel, and I feel like that's often to my detriment because when I add her back to the deck, I'm like, Oh yeah, this card is still amazing. Yeah. Like, honestly, like we're kind of, we have this bias of remembering what the card used to be like, same thing with Kitty Pryde, Pryde. It's so hard to like, forget about it. And Ms. Marvel was exactly that completely earth shatteringly good. And ultimately it has been impacted negatively by the, the nerf. The nerf had to happen. It was too good. So this Marvel does come in at number five for us. At number four, we have Kang the Conqueror, his younger version. I just need to get people kind of sweating there a little bit. And I, some people might not realize this, but Iron Lad is actually Kang the Conqueror. I
Cozy Snap:didn't, I thought he was, I thought really? Yeah, so I was
Alexander Coccia:reading the comics, I was reading the the Kang comics, and Iron Lad, not this particular variant, but Iron Lad actually is in the comics. It's him, younger, coming back to defeat himself.
Cozy Snap:Oh! I should have known that. I feel like I knew a lot around him, but not that I should have, I started doing like Marvel, Marvel lore in my, in my intros of new cards. And that was after, after LADD, but there you go. You learn something new every day.
Alexander Coccia:And I'm sure someone in the comments will have much more specific thoughts about my very general assessment of the ancestry of Iron LADD. But I cozy, I got to give you credit. This is one of those cards that you were so high on for so long before the release. I remember doing our topic on your side of the Snapchat discussing Iron LADD. I was like, yeah, it seems pretty good. You're like, no. This card is gonna do things to the meta, and you've been proven correct, my friend. It's never been nerfed, it's never been buffed, it's been just right, if not slightly over tuned for forever. It's a good card.
Cozy Snap:I caught a lot of heat, the next thumbnail I had was like, Iron Lattice S tier, and I remember getting a lot of heat, a lot of, a lot of Twitter, a lot of, a lot of good stuff out there, and overall yeah, I, just There's something about the draw mechanics, the way it works, and one of the better cards to play late, right? Because you get to see what you have left else in the deck. We've all been there. You got the 50 50 coin flip, and, and a lot of the times, you know, if you have bad RNG like me and Alex do, you know, you've got like Patriot and Doctor Doom, let's say, left in the like, okay, I'll take either of those, right? Like, both can work, and so that's what feels great about him. He makes cards that with not a lot of power way better, and then cards with OP abilities, More power, whatever it might be. Awesome as well. So, yeah. I love him.
Alexander Coccia:I have to correct you in that situation when we're playing Patriot and Dr. Doom, Alex forgets that he got cord rocked and ends up hitting the rock lot. My brain mind. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That happens all the time. That's how I actually play the card. Random thing while you're talking, I kind of, my mind drifted ever so slightly is, is he actually an avenger? Like what is this? Like why is he an avenger?
Cozy Snap:You, I mean, you're the one dropping the knowledge bomb of Kang the, Kang the Conqueror, so, Yeah, why
Alexander Coccia:would Kang ever be an Avenger? Okay, someone in the comments, please explain why Iron Lad is actually considered an Avenger, because I don't know, I've read, I've read a bunch of the comics, not all of them, naturally, but I'm kind of confused with that, but regardless That takes us to number three. And number three is most certainly an Avenger. There's no question about that. And that is the biggest, meanest, greenest MF you'll ever see. And that's Hulk. Hulk coming in at number three was just at the top of our tier list there. Absolutely remarkable card. Vanilla Hulk was kind of sad for a while. Cozy. Really sad card. And then you get that Evo Hulk and oh my gosh, it's an absolute beauty.
Cozy Snap:Not much more to say. We talked about him earlier in the podcast and he big, big green, angry power. I wish he was a little better outside of Evo. I'll say that at times I try to make him more compatriot. I'm like, ah, just can't get it done. But yeah, Hulk number three. What's number two.
Alexander Coccia:Number two is the man of iron cozy. And this is one of those cards. I like, honestly, we originally started with him at number one. And another Godspell, Cozy, how dare you? Honestly, like, Iron Man is such a good card. Can you imagine if Iron Man, this card, with this effect, was released today? As a, like, not a season pass card, but like, imagine that too. Imagine if it was released as a spotlight cash, how crazy, do you imagine, like, how crazy we'd be going about this card? It is such a good, amazing card. Easy one of the best in the game, and you get it in your starting deck. It was tough not
Cozy Snap:to put him at number one. I think you guys aren't going to be too shocked at what number one is, but that's because number one is a firm foundation in Snap, whereas Iron Man is. It's a pretty big, important cog into the machine of a lot of decks, but yes, the absolute shadow snap number one, Alex just I have nothing more to say outside of it's him.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, it's him. And I'll let you lead him in because I was willing to drop him down, but you're like, no, Alex, you, you know, he has to be number one. So cozy. Give us, give us the business.
Cozy Snap:Yeah. I think we both are like Ironman one. And then I was like, how do we, how though, how do we not put Shung as one? I, at the end of the day. He's just, whether it's competitive play, casual play, every deck you look at it, and you're like could use Shang Chi, or like, if you don't have, like, one tech card, the deck is overall, for the most part, a little bit worse. So, I definitely think Shang Chi Is, is, is the best Avenger right now in Marvel Snap. He's the most core Avenger, and I don't think we're too shocked about it. And the popularity rate speaks to it. Most played card in the game.
Alexander Coccia:It's the most played card in the game. And honestly, one of the highest cube rate cards in the game as well. Despite the fact that it has like a, what, 40 something percent play rate, if not, maybe even higher. People often play like Shun Chi doesn't exist. Like I'm just like, okay, you played, you ramped Blob out on turn five. Like, what do you think is going to happen now? Yeah. Am I going to try and move him? No. Am I going to try and cannonball him? No, I'm going to punch him directly in the chops with Shawn Chi. It's a, you know what though? It's important. It's important that this card exists because without it, vertical power is everything, right? Vertical power is everything, but Marvel Snap is more complex than that because this card exists. And that takes us my friend to the Snapchat mailbag. Question number one comes in from Dr. Loves Jess and it reads. What four cards would you guys say make up the Mount Rushmore of Marvel Snap? Could be any of the cards, new or old. I would love to hear your thoughts.
Cozy Snap:Oh man, it's like, it's a tough question because like we have our Mount Rushmores, right? But then like the Snap ones, and the Snap ones I feel like are kind of obvious in some senses, right? I mean, Shrunk Chief, we just talked about him. We anchor him on there.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, for sure. So we actually discussed prior. We're like, Hey, what are the four cards that have been consistent through Marvel snaps history? Not just flash in the pants, the ones that you've been able to be like, okay, that card's good and it's always been good. Chon Chi, definitely one. He's on the Mount Rushmore. Cozy, the man with the gauntlet.
Cozy Snap:Thanos. Yeah. I mean, Chon Chi and Thanos can pretty much sum up about 80 percent of 80 percent of the decks right now. So definitely those two up there. And I think. The last two could be a lot of them. I think that there's a lot of cards in here, and I think we even had some back and forth, like, Ah, but this one, but this one. Dr. Doom seems like he is pretty firmly in there. Just, again, catch all great, you know, one knock to Iron Lad a little bit is, you kind of have to put Iron Man, Dr. Doom, maybe Blue Marvel. So then, like, the deck gets smaller and smaller, but that's because Dr. Doom has such a crazy ability. If you get him on Sakaar, you snap away, and you get a cube to go, and that's it. But yeah, he's definitely the third. Head. And the last one, Alex, what is it?
Alexander Coccia:Last one, I put up a fight for Magneto. I think that Magneto's always been good. It's never been nerfed. It's never been buffed. It's always been relevant. I think it's absolutely crushing it right now, by the way. I think it's such a great card. And as a Canadian, I had to look up how many heads were on Mount Rushmore. Cozy didn't inform me that it is four. And so to sum up, we do have Thanos, Shanchi, Doct Doom, and Magneto. Let us know your four in the comments down below. And then we go to next question from Hulls and it reads. If Second Inter were to add a guild or clan feature to Marvel Snap, what specific features would you like to see upon its launch? I believe the ability to chat, share decks, and possibly some sort of clan goal to get a reward would be nice.
Cozy Snap:I mean, yeah, they are adding it, right? We have confirmation that that's definitely most likely coming. I think, altogether, A, just being able to see, like, Alex Coccia's top three most played cards that month, or of all time, or whatever, is really unique and fun. Being able to have access into his Collection and looking at his different variants or maybe he has like his top three variants pinned on his profile really cool as well Obviously a basic chat function Is something I would like to see and then yeah, man goals dude, like hey play like missions. Just keep it simple missions We already have but you get something that's working as a team.
Alexander Coccia:What you're saying here, it's funny because you're talking more about like a massive profile overhaul, which I think would be super cool. I don't know if that would be in the scope of the original launch, but I do like what you're saying. That would be super cool. I was leaning much more towards, okay, so in Dota 2, they had, they launched a clan based system. It was actually a part of the battle pass for the Invitational originally, and then they kept it because people liked it. And the way it worked was basically you have like, The whole, the whole guild has a mission, like Shanchi 45 enemies this week, and then if you do it, everyone's progress counts, and then what you get is like a credit reward or whatever. You could have something that's like, oh, you know, maybe you play a 10, 000 power worth of cards. And you do that together just by playing the game. I think that's pretty cool. But I'm sure, you know, at Second Inter, if they're good at one thing, it's designing a fun game. I'm sure the mode's gonna just absolutely slap.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, I think the thing to be careful of is Snap is a very casual game. And a lot of the times in mobile games, when we see clans, it's the developers know what they're doing. They, it creates almost this structure that is now all of a sudden, like, anxiety, and like, Alex, you better, you better get your battles in, and I hate that, I absolutely don't, keep Snap what it is, do not have it, you know, where we've got, like, managers of, of clans that are checking up with people, why don't you play your Shang Chi five times a day? Like, I don't want to see anything like that. It's a careful balance, but playing things together, doing things together is always more fun, and definitely would love to see that.
Alexander Coccia:You're absolutely right, that reminded me okay, this is the teacher coming out, but like, years ago there was this story about a school, an elementary school, so like, this was like grade 5 and 6 kids, and they had a clash of clans, clan? And they had a minimum spend in the clan, and they would like, publicly shame each other if they weren't spending enough money, and it turned into this big thing, and like, you're right, it kind of ruined the experience for a lot of people, so hopefully, I don't think, Marvel Snap's obviously not going to do that, it just kind of brought it up, and I was like, oh yeah, I remember reading a story about some super toxic clash of clans clanning that was occurring, so hopefully Marvel Snap Marvel Snap And that brings us to our final question of the day and it comes in from Andrew and it reads What do you both do when you feel yourself getting tilted? I know Alex breaks out the black label, but what else? Personally, I've started to do a fist bump at the start of every match. It helps me not want to mash the Ms. Marvel emote if my opponent beats me. And just so you know Cozy, that's a reference to my stream with Pixie. People say it didn't start very well and I needed some liquid courage to continue and I ultimately came across my favorite Pixie deck. Which was a Pixie High Evolutionary deck from yours truly. So, thank you so much Cozy, you saved my tilt that day.
Cozy Snap:I appreciate it yeah man, I'm not much of a tilting guy. I like it all that much. Not, it doesn't make me, you know, any, any different or better than, whatever, there's no right or wrong. I just, I don't get tilted that often. I'd have to, I get tilted the most when I make, and now the intern thing has happened, so that makes it, but when I used to do, you know, get a, get a play in before the game, and like, I would just get super mad, but in life, I'm more on the positive side, so yeah, definitely not too much tilting, but if I am, I'm, You know, make it a play or whatever take a break. It's probably usually the best, you know, I'd say take a, take a lap, if you will and or switch up decks, switch up something to a bit more of a fun deck maybe, go like a Pixie, I know this is, you know, you're not crazy, I'm Mr. Negative, but like, that style of play, where you're just like, all right, let's get Jane on five, I got the Mr. Negative out, and then you kind of have some fun with it it would be my, my, my suggestion.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, for me, it's like, honestly, I just love playing the game that like, I just don't tilt very easily. I've been on tilt before, but like, I just cue the next match. Like it's really that simple. Right. And like for me, like, honestly, it's just, I just love the game enough that like, I find myself never too upset. And I like the idea of playing a deck that you really thoroughly enjoy, but. I think that what tilts a lot of people out is fixating on specific goals that like make numbers, like rank and stuff, the priority. Don't do that. Like just set your expectations for a goal that's achievable, right? Like for me, I love splitting cards. So I like getting enough boosters for specific types of cards. And that's how kind of I play. And you know what, when I'm playing for fun and I'm collecting boosters and I'm playing archetypes, I want to learn better. Like for instance, I've been playing some Phoenix force. Not because I'm trying to win, but because I'm trying to get better at Phoenix 4 so I can be much more informed when we have these types of conversations. That's the goal. And you know what's funny, Cozy? I'm gaining rank. I'm just playing the game and I'm like, Oh, look, I'm higher ranked than I was before. When I lose, I don't care. Right? Me and you, we both snap for content for the memes, right? We do all that stuff. At the end of the day, it's a game and the game is meant to be fun. So if you're tilting, walking away from it's never a problem, right? Walk to Costco. Wise man once said, at the end of the day, make sure you're having fun and setting some reasonable goals for yourself. And that takes us to the end of this week's Snapchat. Thank you guys so much for joining us this week. And once again, if possible, leave us a review on your platform of choice.
Cozy Snap:Thank you guys so much for hanging out this week. And as always, until the next one, happy snapping.