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New Season: Zeroes to Heroes | March Cards In Review | The Snap Chat Ep. 74
Will Baron Zemo and the new season pass cards end up being heroes or zeroes? What are Cozy and Alex's final rankings on the cards that came out in March? What questions do you have for Cozy and Alex? Join Cozy Snap and Alexander Coccia as they chat about this and more on this episode of The Snap Chat and every week as they discuss all things Marvel Snap.
Will Baron Zemo and the new season pass cards end up being heroes or zeroes? What are Cozy and Alex's final rankings on the cards that came out in March? What questions do you have for Cozy and Alex? Join Cozy Snap and Alexander Coccia as they chat about this and more on this episode of The Snap Chat and every week as they discuss all things Marvel Snap.
What's going on guys and welcome back. Still a little bit under the weather, so it might be a little shorter, but today we're going to be talking about the newest season of Marvel Snap starting this Tuesday in Baron Zemo, the new 3 5. Is it going to be more like Hope Summers or more like Black Swan? Alex and I are going to break that down alongside all the new cards in the April season. We've got a Red Hulk coming out first. We know he's going to be crazy alongside a lot of unique kids that we haven't seen come to the game quite yet. We're gonna be talking about that all today, more on this episode of the Snap Chat. And as always, I am joined by Mr. Alex Coccia. Hello, buddy. Hello, happy new season. Our favorite video of every single month, man. As you know, you've escaped the sickness. And I just welcomed it, buddy. So you guys are gonna have to put up with a little bit of different You know, it's never just a throat tickle. You know, you get off the plane, you're like, you know, there's something There's something there. Maybe it's just the airplanes. No. No. Full on strip throw, man. Coming off the the comedown of that, bud. But you're healthy and well, yeah?
Alexander Coccia:I am. I'm feeling great. Cozy not to rub it in. Just so the viewers know, like, Cozy's actually trying, like, 110 percent right now to project his voice. Talking to him before, literally had no voice whatsoever. What an absolute chat here. The show must go on. Cozy, like, listen, I think what it was Is that ok so we were outside in Boston. We were waiting for grilled cheese sandwiches, which is ironic. Cause like I'm super lactose intolerant, but I'm sitting there and I'm like, Hey, let's get these grilled cheese sandwiches. And we're sitting there and like, it's like super cold outside. Cozy's wearing like a jacket and a sweater. He's like, I'm so cold. The San Diego just coming out from you. And I'm like, This is pretty good, actually. I'm really comfortable. So I wonder if it was like the weather difference, although science does say you can't get sick from the cold.
Cozy Snap:I mean, yeah, it after like 30 minutes, Alex finally was like, yeah, my Canadian has, has rubbed off. I'm now cold. I'm now officially cold yet. Dude, I feel like getting a strep is like one of those things that like you forget how it is on the other side. You know what I mean? Like you don't ever realize your throat's fine. And then all of a sudden you swallow and you're like. Okay, hold on, hold on. Life is terrible. Like, I don't, I don't remember what life was like beforehand. But yeah, it was probably the cold man. It was someone at PAX. One of the fans, maybe, or just one of the many people we ran into. But before we continue, Alex, just one last kind of note as we get things kicked off here. You know, it's, it's crazy. We've done this now for, what, 70 plus weeks. There's not a lot of easy ways to go into the conversation and obviously, you know, we, we love doing this for you guys. We haven't missed a week yet but Alex tell them together. Do you want to You say it, me say it. How you want to do it?
Alexander Coccia:I'll let you say it. It's a sensitive subject.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, sure. I mean, this is going to be the last episode of the Snapshot. We really hope it's one that you guys enjoy and we know we're going to. We have a lot of cool subjects. With the first subject being, Alex, uh April Fools! We are definitely, definitely keeping this on another 70 plus weeks. Dude, I've never been a big fan of April Fools. Like, have you? I feel like there's always somebody that takes it too far. Maybe we've taken it too far right now. But have you ever had someone do like something? What you're a teacher, you're bound to have had that.
Alexander Coccia:Nah, you know what, man? Like the classic, like, you know, chalk and the brush thing. We don't even have chalkboards anymore like that. Like it's pretty tame. Like there's really nothing that happens. Yeah, I don't know, man. I don't know. April fools is still really a thing, but you let him go way too early, man. I would've gone for another 45 minutes. I would've let him go the entire episode, not even knowing, man.
Cozy Snap:Dude, we should have a release. We should release a video like Angels, Buff, Best Card, and Snap. Do a full thing on it, man. Instead, that's gonna be that'll be next year. Just try to remember it. But on that, we do have a lot of good things to talk about on the Snapchat and what are we talking about on your side, bud?
Alexander Coccia:Alright, as Cozy mentioned, due to illness, we're gonna keep things a little tighter this week. So on my side of the channel, we're gonna be doing the final rankings from the prior season. One of my favorite topics to discuss every single month. We'll also be going to our Snapchat mailbag.
Cozy Snap:Oh, it's killing me too, man. I got back from Boston. I was like, oh my gosh, I'm gonna make videos every single day this week. War Machine came out. Like, I was so amped for the content. Infinity Conquest, I always love doing at least, like, one run or so of that. But yeah, dude. So, let's go to get right to it. Let's get into the newest season. If you guys are first time listeners, maybe or if you forgot, we're gonna go through every single card. We start with, obviously Baron Zemo, or the Season Pass card. And now right before this season launch we got updates to all of their numbers. This is not finalized because I I'm sure you know, we're filming this on Easter. Happy Easter for those that celebrated. But we do not have the official video yet of what is to to come with these cards. So I guess there could be some changes. I think these are probably locked how they're gonna be. But pretty much every card got some type of an update. Cause I think we covered these slightly about a couple months back, yeah?
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, we did. We did like, kind of like, are you excited for type segment on your side? I remember it was cool. I liked it. I hope we do that again. And we will do it again. It was fun. But what I'll say is that like, yeah, they did get updated, but like, we even saw, was it last month? No, no, it was the oh my gosh, Beta Ray Bill got updated. Like just randomly before, like immediately before his launch. Right. So truly anything can happen. Like these are the best statistics and the best information we have. Right now, anything can happen, man.
Cozy Snap:Dude, I feel like I know you so much more now that we, like, hung out in person and we didn't even get to hang out enough, like, we were just, we were doing, you know, between the Snapchat stuff and all that, like, it, doesn't it feel different? Like, I feel like I've known you for 73 weeks, but I know you more now, you know?
Alexander Coccia:You know what, man? Honestly, when I got home, I was talking to my wife and I was like, meeting Cozy in real life was just such an incredible experience. It just, it felt like the best friend that I knew I knew, but I had never met yet. It was the weirdest thing on earth. It was just, and I really hope that everyone listening can one day feel the way I felt when like, We finally saw each other. And you got to tell the story how we like first kind of like met each other because like you, I saw you first.
Cozy Snap:Yeah. Yeah. So there's a picture that Alex posted on Twitter, which is awesome. I think it's so cool that someone captured it. Shout out to Dave. But essentially I was doing like this interview content with cosplayers it was their second dinner had me out there and I was doing these, these interviews. And I've had a couple people at that point come up and say hello and whatnot. And from the rafters, we're in the main area, and from the rafters way up top, I hear this like, Cozy! And I can't scream right now, obviously, for my sickness reason, but, just, Cozy, Cozy! And I'm like, I'm like, oh my gosh, there's someone yelling. Like, who, who's yelling for me? Like, what is this? And I look up to the rafters, there's like, like the Titanic look up, and I'm like, there he is, man. It took me a second, right? Like, cause you, you can see my face. I was kinda like, Like, give him one of those, and then as soon as I saw it was you, man I stopped the interview midway and just gave you the hug. People thought it looked like I was going in for a smooch.
Alexander Coccia:It's so funny. So I yelled, oh my god, I yelled, OMG, is that Cozy Snap and then you looked up and you said, is that Alex? I heard you say it to Felicity as I ran down the escalator. It was, it was truly like a once in a lifetime experience, but yeah, it does feel completely different now to Snapchat because like, it's like, I know this man. Like I got to hang out with this guy. We had, Oh my God. What was the, what was the sandwich place we went to all those times?
Cozy Snap:Oh yeah yeah. So guys, like, you know, we had a grilled cheese and they were like 80 or something. So we're like, okay, yeah, screw that. Let's go get I'm like, Hey, I'm going to take him to Jimmy John's and I, and I take him there guys. And he's like, What is this Subway, what, what, what, this, this is, this is trash food and he finished that sandwich and he's like, That's one of the best sandwiches that I've had, I'm not gonna lie. And we had it like five times. And I kept asking to go back. Kept having to do it, but more on the the snap front guys, the new season pass card. Baron Zemo, THE Baron Zemo. From War Machine to him, a couple of cool, you know, pretty iconic, probably more towards War Machine. Baron though is definitely up there. The reason why Captain America Iron Man had the strife, you guys know him from obviously Civil War and plenty of other shows Falcon and the Winter Soldier. Guys, Baron Zemo is a 3 cost, 5 power card now. We got our second one of those after, what was it, Black Swan so craziness there. With the ability, on reveal, recruit the lowest cost card from your opponent's deck to your side of this location. New word in there, recruit, pretty much guys, just means it's not being played, you're kind of just putting it on your side of the board. And Alex As always, before the synergy, before everything, we're going to be giving a lot of star ratings and on your side, we're doing the final ranking. So what is your first impression ranking of Baron?
Alexander Coccia:My first impressions on Baron are, I'm going with a three star rating. I could see him going higher, but it's a brand new type of effect. Like this recruit keyword is brand new. So it'd be interesting to see how that actually affects gameplay. If it's truly as strong as we hope it is. Does the Yondu change from a couple of like Two months ago, was it that Yondu got changed? Does that really help to elevate Baron, for instance? I don't know. It's like one of those cards that we really want to get our hands on before testing. And there's a couple there this month that are kind of tricky to evaluate in advance. And I feel like Baron's one of them.
Cozy Snap:I thought the same thing, man. I, so it's funny. I'm proud of you, by the way, because you know, back in the Black Swan at three, five, it was like an insta five star from Alex, but we've learned, we've learned from our ways. So obviously the values there, obviously, you know, five power we know is a good stat line, but in Black Swan's case, we've seen that just because it's good value doesn't mean it'll always be played, and I think people will read the ability and go cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs, but let's talk about the pros, the cons, and where we sit. I I'm gonna give it about a 3. 5 actually, with the upside of 4, is where I sat. And it's funny you said three because, you know, if you take away the halves, we're probably around the same you know, the same point in line. Now, the reason I think it could go to four is it does have that Loki effect. And we have to remember, people play good cards, right? People play, people put good cards in the deck. So even though it's randomized, You are going to have essentially the, the possibility of having some nut pulls from their deck, right? Whether that's just like a, a seven power, you know, card, eight power gladiator, whatever it might be, you know, obviously it's going to have that value. But, maybe, let's start with maybe the basics. Now, let's go, let's go with the good first, then we'll go to the bad, and maybe why we think it maybe won't land where we think it is, but I think there's a lot to be excited about, and I think at the top of that list is, it's kind of a new archetype coming in a way. We've had a lot of these mill Potential decks or these kind of theft decks or, but this might be the final key to have this rounded out deck where you're stealing cards, you're taking things, you're destroying cards, and you're thinning their deck to a point where as the game extends, maybe with something even like magic. You have now had that opponent run out of cards, and they have to play with what they have. You know some of the stuff they've lost, they kind of know some of the stuff they've lost, and I think that could be really unique for Baron Zemo, and I'm excited about that, and I think Yondu, to your point, that now destroys the lowest card,
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, it's, it's funny you mentioned that. Cause like in my notes, I have like, like literally Mildex might be legitimate. No, I'm not sure if they are because we've had some activators in the past, but I feel like Baron's like the cherry on top. You needed a good statted mid range card to really activate that archetype because before it didn't really make sense. Right. And like to speak to your point, you got Yondu at one. Now you have the Cable at turn two, which has been buffed. And I don't know about you Cozy, I've been liking Cable. I think Cable's pretty awesome as a 2 3, super disruptive, really good conquest card as well. And then if you really go deeper, you brought them up already. Gladiator. Gladiator's technically a milled card too.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, exactly. So there's a good, yeah, two point, a lot of card potential there. Maximus, once you've milled that deck out, you're able to play him safer, or you can just get, you know, max that deck size a little bit more. And as we know Mockingbird is a crazy card, and she's gonna have some synergy with him as well. But, so, okay, right off the bat, the good is, you're getting a free card. Now, sometimes, sometimes, you know, it's gonna be bad per se, but I think most of the time it'll be good. We tried to think of the same thing with Loki, like, what if you get bad card copies? You're not going to get a lot of Bast, you know? You're not going to get Bast on your side a ton of times. People have these decks that are pretty rounded out in a good way. So I would say a lot of the times, you're going to get yourself a nice ability and a pretty good stat line when you play Baron. What's kind of weird about him though is he's better off curve. He's better to play later, typically, because your opponent, most likely, is going to play their cheaper cards at first, meaning you have the chance to pull maybe the Infinite, maybe something, whatever, that's left in that deck. Maybe something a little bit bigger. Or, if you're, you know, more skillful, you You know what deck you're playing, you kind of have seen what's been played, and you can articulate, Hey, this is the possibility of what is out there. And then Baron gets that, you know what I mean? So that's a little bit of a weird play with him which could make him wonky in some cases.
Alexander Coccia:I totally understand that, but at the same time, like, I was thinking about that, but I was thinking as well that, like, You can't control the composition of your opponent's deck, nor can you control what order they're drawing their cards. So I feel like it might be one of those situations where you're going to drive yourself insane. If you fixate too much on like, I got to draw the highest value card possible. I think you've got to almost just do the thing. You know what I mean? Because you're going to drive yourself nuts.
Cozy Snap:Which then we hit his biggest con. And that is, listen, you could be thinning their deck, right? Like if they have a, you know, there's times where like Kitty Pride is imperative, but if they've got a Nico, yeah, Nico's important, but that Nico going away means they have that much more access to maybe their Venom. And on that note, we're kind of throwing a lot out there, but on that note of thinning their deck, potentially, if you look at popularity of the decks out there right now, what are they, Alex? What are the, what are the three most popular decks in Snap right now?
Alexander Coccia:Thanos, Destroyer, and Discard.
Cozy Snap:Tell me, all those cards, maybe Thanos a little bit, are awful with Barret, right? Discard, you can get rid of something that you really, really like on your side. Carnage? You're just gonna destroy your side, probably build up their gnoll, right? So there is some scariness, in the popularity of the meta right now with him as well.
Alexander Coccia:That's absolutely fair, right? I think that the meta is always going to be a major factor, like the chance of you drawing their Deadpool and snapping, right? Possible, but if you're playing it on turn three, their Deadpool's irrelevant anyway, right? Like, kind of to some extent. So you're right, and if you pull like, their Morbius, then it's like, okay, I'm never gonna activate this morbid. It just sits on my side as a 2 0 occupying the spot. They don't get it, but like, it's not really doing anything for you. So, you are right, the current meta is a little weird like that. Like, hey, oh cool, I pulled the reality stone. That's awesome. You know what I mean? Like, I guess you're excited about the card draw. But yeah, the current meta might not be that great for Baron, but it's time might come.
Cozy Snap:And he's a three cost, right? So you know if you're playing Destroyed probably pretty early, right? Like, you're gonna know, ooh, you know, maybe I shouldn't do this. Or maybe this is a turn six play instead, or whatever at that point, or if they've already played Carnage. The other part that's tough, and I guess I said I would start with the good and then go to the bad, but we're kind of getting away. A lot of things that may be why we're not, like, jumping up and down necessarily. I also feel like what's great about Cable is they have no idea, right? You have no idea. You get Cable, you snap on him. You're like, hey, what did I get, right? Baron is gonna be like, hello neighbor. I took your freaking shang chi. What are you gonna do? Snap on it. So I feel like that could also limit his cube rate as well.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, the fact that it's face up, right? Like Cable being face down is so beautiful because it's like, hey, buddy, I got your Silver Surfer. I got your Shurier. I got whatever that, you know, they're banking on, right? Talking about some synergistic stuff as well. I want to make an argument for like, I don't want to say Zabu specifically, but I was going through the list of like, okay, if we want to mill the deck, right? Like, what cards exist? We talked about Yondu, we talked about Cable, we talked about Gladiator, but there's a couple other ones to some extent. Iron Lad, right? It's a second proc and an effect, right? You could make an argument for Wong, right? If you can get Wong going on turn three, then use Baron or whatever, or you Yondu Baron on turn four, that's kind of crazy. And Absorbing Man as well provides a lot of opportunity to kind of replicate this mill effect. And so like, honestly, I think that if you use those cards in tandem, you can go deeper into the deck than people are expecting, Cozy.
Cozy Snap:And people are forgetting, we're going to bring his name up a lot today, people are forgetting Beast went down to two. Cost. Beast went down to two costs. Guys, if these are low cards coming on your side, you don't mind getting that effect two times over. Baron effect twice is something hilarious. Alex, if I show you this card, I just, tell me, is it, is it his time?
Alexander Coccia:Ha! Is it his time? Man, I don't know. Oh, man, Baron Mordor. I honestly,
Cozy Snap:The other Baron.
Alexander Coccia:The thought crossed my mind, but I was like, no. That's, that's, I'm coping too hard. Like, I can't, I can't even bring it up. I'm glad you did. Also, I can't believe you bought this variant. You're the only one who did.
Cozy Snap:I had to get the it was my final one to, to do the, the finisher or whatever.
Alexander Coccia:Of course it was your final one.
Cozy Snap:I mean it could be, and more so with Baron combined with the next card we'll talk about in a second, but Red Hulk, right? You know, you've got this card now that makes it tougher for them to play on their energy curve, whatever that might be. I do think, like, all in all, If you look at Baron Zemo for what he is, I think he's a really fun card, he's cool, he has a lot of maybe unique play, and he's very flexible for that matter, right? Because he, he does all in one, he's kind of his own thing. I just don't know if this is gonna be one that we talk about two months from now, you know what I mean? I think he's a really, he's gonna have that unique thing to the table, I'm sure he's gonna be great in Surfer but time will tell overall. So we're, we're both around three,
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, we're both around three and like, even in surfer, like how good is this effect? Like surfer, especially the way current surfers running where you're actually running brood absorbing man. Now, like, that's kind of the common way to play surfer Nova Killmonger's back and like Baron, you're occupying an extra spot on the board. And that if with Baron and the extra card, then you can't brood absorbing, man. I don't know, man. I don't know if I'm sold on the surfer, but like, I can see it and I'm willing to be sold, but I don't know.
Cozy Snap:Maybe like we go Yondu, Cable, Gladiator, Maximus. And then we got what, like, Magic Surfer with Baron, so you can Mill Surfer, maybe? Cause you got all these cards that kinda, gladiators in there. Aaron's in there, Magic's in there, Cable. That's actually
Alexander Coccia:huge stats across the board.
Cozy Snap:Huge stats, man, and a pretty big pop off. Heck, you could even go Wong in there for the surfer double up. We're seeing that in like the Toxic Surfer. But then you do double Zemo at some point, potentially. You know what, I also think this is where something like Grandmaster might be able to be chugged in there a little bit. Cause getting this effect twice and playing a card down, moving him over and playing it. But then with that, if Baron pulls an on reveal, you have the chance to use that one instead. So, between Beast and replicating this effect, that could definitely be pretty good.
Alexander Coccia:Actually, there's something you mentioned that I hadn't really thought of. I did, but I'm not quite sure of the answer. Do we know yet if the recruited card activates its on reveal?
Cozy Snap:Yeah, I'm pretty sure this is gonna, like, play the card, but not play the card.
Alexander Coccia:I understand. So it's similar to, like, that of, like, Shawna. It comes into the field of play, will activate its on reveal, etc.
Cozy Snap:I think so. I would ima And this is why it sucks that the second internet hasn't posted it. I mean, I would imagine so. I think there's gonna be, there'd be pros and cons that if it didn't, right? Cause then some of them, you just want the stat stick. Because if it didn't man, then you're like pulling a Mystique that's just a 3 0, then this guy has a lot of downside.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, because recruits a new word, right? So we're not even really sure. And I checked prior that hadn't really said, I was hoping you knew for sure. But anyways, CLAV, we're on limited information as of recording.
Cozy Snap:I would imagine with cars they've released lately, like this would be, he probably is going to be just a good plug and play card. That's a lot of fun that it, you know, you're going to have a couple of huge stands for the car, people that just love them. And then some that play them this season. And then you're going to have a lot of your Baron steals their Baron because everybody's playing them. And then that Baron plays a card and it gets kind of crazy, kind of fast. You know, you can also argue a point that Dazzler, Blue Marvel, maybe, maybe these cards that want to have a lot of. Cards on the, on the board could synergize with Baron. That's also a unique take.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, there's no question about it. I do think that there's going to be like some potential interesting plays there. And it's worth noting that you kind of just brought to mind as well. I do think this card will be probably better in conquest. For the same reason why Cable, and cards like Coulson, and like, they're better in Conquest, because when you're playing against the same opponent repeatedly, and you, you know what their deck is, and you know you just disrupted them with their pull, or with your Yondu, you know that you're negatively affecting their their game plan, I think that you have much stronger snap conditions in Conquest as opposed to Ladder, so I do think this might be a card that's disproportionately stronger in Conquest.
Cozy Snap:You know, I do agree, yeah. Cable, anything that you can get a little bit of intel, but also get some benefit off that. And then not to mention, I did touch on Grandmaster, Odin as well. I mean, if you set up the Odin lane correctly, even with, I would say what? Really though, you couldn't even have one other card on there, right? Because if you played, you could only play Odin on just the Baron lane. So that's kind of weird, right? In a way. So between Conquest, Honor Reveal stuff, We'll have to see. I mean, I think he will be one of those that we're going to have to play kind of throughout the week to really know if he's going to be, you know, quote unquote, worth it, even though we know season passes are as a whole.
Alexander Coccia:There is one more card, though, I think we'd be remiss to not mention. And it's kind of like a card on the periphery that gets affected here, but technically Blob kind of gets hit by these cards, right? Because you're pulling cards out of the deck. So if like, you know, you pull their Maximus. That's power that Blob doesn't get. If you pull their, their Gladiator, that's power that, you know, it's not, I mean, obviously, Blob's not being played in those decks, but you know what I mean, right? Blob does lose power by knocking these cards out.
Cozy Snap:Well, ultimately, Alex, let's go to the next card, because what could really hurt Baron is that, not really, because he's a season pass, but he is coming out. On the same exact day as a card that listen, we don't even need to hold back. I think there are cars like, Hey, maybe a bus, maybe Red Hulk got an increase. He is now a six 11 guys and he's coming out on Tuesday. The ability is when your opponent ends a turn with unspent energy, plus four power to red Hulk, if he's in your hand. We're in play. Now, first of all, shout out to Second Dinner. Love that he's the inverse of the Hulk from High Evo. They've done good with the flavoring of the cards. That's something, definitely something we can credit. Alex, I mean, same time, do you want to star rate this or, or what?
Alexander Coccia:For me, this is definitely a four star card. It has a very low floor, very high ceiling. And credit to Second Dinner as well, it's learned the lessons from the past. It did not get the Hulk effect where it was just gaining power in the deck, right? They're like, hold on, we learned that lesson, dammit. We learned that lesson when we had the Hulk getting to 20 something power, so let's make it so it's in the hand or in play. So like, they literally copied the Hulk text, not allowing it to be broken right off the top. They did buff it by one power, though. You
Cozy Snap:Can I ask why 4 not 5? But how, how is this not just mostly a 6 15? A good, good chunk of the time. I would say large percentage of games, he's a 6 15, right? And then That's a great point. And then 6 19, if things go bad for your opponent, right? If they, if the first two turns, there are high cost decks out there, man. All the time that those first two turns, you got to burn them. You do, they're gone. And then you have a 6 19 at that point. If we look at the stats across the board, it makes Giganto, just like Cull Obsidian made Crossbones laughable, it makes something like Giganto hilarious. I only want to give one 5 star away each season and this is This is how, like I just don't know, I think we've said this before, how does this not flop? This is to me as clear as Miss Marvel.
Alexander Coccia:Okay, I can totally understand that. The reason why I have some hesitation is because I think that like the power is not in your hands. You have to be relying on your opponent, and that's like the difference between Devil Dinosaur and Ronin, right? Devil Dinosaur, you control your, your power. Power. With Ronin, you're banking on your opponent not playing cards down as effectively. You have some ability to impact that, but it's in their hands. Red Hulk's the same. Red Hulk, you're relying on your opponent skipping and rolling energy. I'm not just talking about Evo. There's many decks that do it. I mean, hell, if you have them in hand and they skip turn one, right? Like, there it is, right? So, it's not just about that. And I had this thought, and you can actually answer to this, because I wasn't even sure of the answer. So Hope Summers is one of the most popular cards in Meta at over 30 percent Metashare. And we'll talk about Hope soon, okay? But, Red Hulk. Does Hope Summers make it so that people float more energy? Or, does Hope Summers make it so that people can play on curve more aggressively? That's what I was struggling with.
Cozy Snap:It just depends on the deck, right? I mean, first of all, this is the High Evo. As Alex loves to say, eating the lunch, right? Like, this guy eats High Evo's lunch, Sunspot, She Hulk? One of the most popular cards, She Hulk gets brutalized. Any terror that you get She Hulk discounted, Red Hulk's gonna eat. Now you do have to have him in your hand. Your opponent has no idea if you have him in your hand or not. Most people are going to have to assume moving forward after his release, this is potentially making Red Hulk go up if I don't get the you know, the energy down in time. Interesting, I would say most of the time when people play something into Hope Summers, they've got something to play into it, like a 5 at that point. But I, I get what you're saying. There are definitely decks designed around feeding the sunspot or just having, you know, maybe a little bit left over energy. And to that point, locations, bro. I mean, there's been times, I can't tell you how many times I can't think I got sick brain, but you got that plus one location. You know, it goes on turn two. Maybe you get the plus one energy. You're like, ah, that's cool. But I only have a two cost card, right? And immediately Red Hulk is going to get that.
Alexander Coccia:So the location is Tinker's Workshop, I believe. And you're right. It like, sometimes you just accidentally float or like, Hey, I got to play Zabu anyway, or whatever. So you do it. And I think there's, there's also those that like, was it new or something where you get the gins and like, you just sometimes just play them down. Yeah. And you just like pump up all this extra energy. You're like, well, I didn't even draw my six draw. Yeah. There's all these times you're just. Inadvertently floating energy. Like obviously Evo does by design, but like, there's so many other decks where like, you just float it. Silver server is an example of that. Turn four, you just like play a three drop anyways. Right? So there's so many small ways you get punished and to speak to what you mentioned before, Red Hulk, you'll never know if it's someone's deck, because. It can kind of go everywhere, right? It's one of those cards that kind of is not archetype defiant, like it kind of goes wherever the hell it wants.
Cozy Snap:And that's why it's a five star for me, because if I look at it, like even Blob, when he was in his first form, right, like you just put Blob on your deck, he's that good. And you look at it, and you're like, well, with Bob, you are restricted a little bit. You gotta build some decks with higher power. Red Hulk is just a 6'11 which is a good, fine stat line. And then, at worst, you know that's what you're getting. And you can just keep building up on that. And so, that's where I feel like in Hela, he's no doubt taking Gigantospot. I would assume. Black Knight, he's probably gonna find a way into that deck. Thanos, I would imagine he's going to be in Thanos Dex moving forward, or at least being right there with Blob. I just see him working as what he's, Ramp is for sure going to utilize the card. So, that is where it's just like, it's interesting to me, because you've got this kind of offense defense card again, right? This thing that just builds up and puts pressure, and if he works like High Evo Hulk, which I'm sure he does, he can even gain after turn 6. So, I, which, we'd be shocked if someone didn't use all their energy then, but some people can't. I just think this guy, I'm puzzled, honestly, that he got a power point, and maybe that is to attest that he wasn't good enough, but I have a hard time seeing that.
Alexander Coccia:When you compare it to something like Magneto, and something that Magneto taught me, and the amount of Magneto I've been playing over the last month or so, is that the actual effect is important. Like, Marvel Snap is more than just power in a location, and obviously it comes down to having more power in two locations than your opponent, of course, right? But I think that the effect of Magneto, that That like, you know, the ripping of the venom or the whatever. I think it's valuable right now. That's one of the reasons why it's so good. Just like with Dr. Doom, some of the advantages, not just 15 power across the board. I mean, Ms. Marvel almost does that. It's accessing locations that you might not be able to access, right? It's the versatility of the card. Red Hulk does not have that versatility. It does not have the versatility of Magneto, does not have the versatility of Dr. Doom. What it has though is Chonky Boy, right? That's exactly what it is. And sometimes you need that too.
Cozy Snap:And if we, like, went full hilarious mode, what, there's six turrets, okay? So if they didn't play on curve all six turrets, what is that? 24 pou 24 pou No, what? Is he a 635? Am I Am I correct in thinking that?
Alexander Coccia:I'm trying to do the math in my head very, very quickly. I think he's a 635. Yeah, it's a lot. Like, he gets into the 30s, doesn't he?
Cozy Snap:That's hilarious. I mean, obviously, I will rarely do that. It'll very rarely do that. I'm trying to, I'm trying to work through a lot of the archetypes and how they want to play their cards out in the way they want to. Like, Silver Surfer can struggle putting something down on turn 5 outside of Sarah, right? Like, you're getting all that. If we go through all the decks, like, Like, Thanos isn't going to have a hard time. Like, Thanos is able to play usually all that energy out. In fact, it has more than enough energy half the time. And that's what makes it so good. Oh man, this guy's going to be something. I think he's going to fill the big boy slot, but he's also going to have his own unique thing and a new threat in Snap that we have to start thinking about.
Alexander Coccia:Oh man, can you imagine doing something like Wong? Into Psylocke Viper. So like you kick over, that doesn't even make sense. I was trying to think, how do you force your opponent to have extra energy? That doesn't even work. Trying to think of like, yeah, I was trying to see how, like, I could pump them with like a Psylocke is such a stupid thing. It's don't do that. It doesn't work
Cozy Snap:on closing on Redhawk. What about like Sandman too? Cause Sandman you know, you get him out on a little ramp action. That person definitely hasn't prepped to, you know, play out that one card. And at that point. Bro, you could just do Blob, Red Hulk, Arnim, Zola, Taskmaster kind of decks and feast.
Alexander Coccia:That's actually a good point. Sandman does put a like wrench in their plans and some decks just can't play on curve, right? Like, you know, so that's a really good point. I like that. At the end of the day, what you said before is perfect. Although he's massive in red, he's like a low key stealthy way of having like this defensively offensive card that can just slam down insane power on your opponent when they don't expect it from almost any archetype.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, he's gonna be fun. I, I expect a lot of people to do, like, Redhawk won't be the easiest card to make a video. I mean, you could show him, right? But he's just made big, big boy stats, right? It reminds me of Blob. I think Blob, we're like, yeah, he's gonna be good. And then obviously we saw, like, what he became. But that takes us to our next card, Buddy in U. S. Agent. And Buddy, my gosh they changed him a good amount. They actually changed a couple of these cards. He is now a 2 cost, 3 power card with the ongoing ability. Four, five, and six cost cards here have negative three power. So obviously on your side and opponents, kind of like the inverse of man thing is the best way to think about it. What are your thoughts here?
Alexander Coccia:One star. Absolute poo. I don't like this card.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, just think he's like never gonna be played or I actually liked what he was beforehand almost because there was a couple of like archetypes you could almost build him into like Sorry, Sherry Soron and stuff.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, a couple things right off the top. One, I don't like the fact that like, compared to Man First of all, Man Thing does not see much play at all, right? Let's be honest, right? I actually like Man Thing. I'm full cope, man, on Man Thing. I try him all the time. Not that good. Unfortunate. The thing with Man Thing is though, is that you're going to have more ones, twos, and threes on the board. Moreover, when you play Man Thing, you're able to play where you know they've already played a couple ones and twos, perhaps. As a two drop, what do you sneak them out later when they're playing their five? Like, why the hell would you do that as a 2 3? It's disgusting, right? You never do that. You play it early to just avoid the lane. Even then, even if they play into it, you can play into it on purpose to, like, avoid Shan Qi. You could literally use US Agent to play big cards and avoid Shan Qi on purpose. It's like, this card is filth, man. And if you know what, if it becomes an absolute meta breaker, I deserve to get called out. This is the most one star, one star card I've seen in a while. Like, actually, I would play Martyr before this.
Cozy Snap:Oh, wow. So, okay. I'm not, I'm not that low on him. I definitely think he's probably towards the, the 1. 5 status to 2, maybe. Probably 2, and I'll tell you why. I think he does have, hold on. First of all, this dude, if you hold on to him, what you're right, it's such a weird curve play, but he single handedly wrecks. Living Tribunal. I mean, it's, it's lunch. Iron Man, done. Done. Onslaught, I think that he definitely like, dude, you're at that point just completely, even the Super Skrull steel that they sometimes do. So he's got that small niche, okay. And listen, this is me just trying to find like the, the, what the car will have for it, I guess, or I guess what they were thinking. I also think it's kind of interesting, you could get something a little bit more on the Annihilus side of things, potentially, with the Void. And Hopgoblin. Those are the only, like, playlines that I would even think Of being something decent, but for the most part, it's pretty trash.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, no, it's absolutely, even like hobgoblins hoping, because like, you usually want to like maybe open that lane up for Galactus, but now you have this stupid us agent that's sitting there like, Hey Galactus, I'm here with my shield that I, didn't he make his own shield and it was like all crappy. Like I was trying to remember, falcon, the winter shoulder soldier. It was not an actual shield. Right. It was one that like, you just got like bent. Like you trade, he's just. He was coping. That's like the sixth time we've said it today.
Cozy Snap:And I believe he comes out right after Red Hulk, which I think is a good thing because right. People are going to be able to use, I mean, a lot of people got War Machine, Red Hulk, and now, you know, okay. Take a, take a week, take a breather, take a, you know, obviously you guys, we can say Luke Cage and, and we we've seen that with the negative cards, but again, it's mainly to Alex's point, four fives and sixes force a little bit, but four fives and sixes, there's not as many played. And on top of that, your opponent can use it to their advantage. You have to worry about the effect as well. Cerebro 3. There's just This is one we'll have to get our hands on more. I don't want to write them off completely, but this is one we'll have to We'll have to definitely find a good use rather than, like, it being clear and obvious. Well, next up, Alex, we've got ourselves White Widow, who, to what we thought, was gonna get changed from the last time that we saw her. Although, the change is still really fun. She's a 2 cost, 2 power card. On reveal, add a Widow's Kiss to your opponent's side. of this location. If we pull up a Widow's Kiss ongoing, this has negative for power. Disable this ability if your side of this location is full. It's a very confusing text, right? Because if it's on their side, is it on your side of the location is full or the opponent's side? So we got that to talk about, but also just the general use of White Widow. What you thinking about this card, bud?
Alexander Coccia:So first of all, yeah, the text is like much more Magic the Gathering style text as opposed to Marvel Snap. First thought when I read the change, I was like I'm going to power move this. I'm going to rogue this and just flex. Rogue snap this and just be your point. Just be so confused. They retreat, maybe. I don't know. I think that'd be so funny, but honestly, it's a shame. Cause this card was by far my most sought after card of the season, even more than red Hulk. I was always excited for red Hulk, but this was the one that I was like, this is unbelievable. And they definitely toned it down. It definitely was going to be unbelievable. It's going to be insanely toxic. I still think this is good though. I still think that there is a lot of potential here, but, oh, I don't know if it's because I was so excited about the prior iteration, but I wrote down three stars.
Cozy Snap:You did three. I have this is the one that I kind of, we were talking about at the intro, very tough to evaluate this one. Because I need to see it in practical play. Like, I want to say like, Hmm, this could be really good. Could be a 4 star card. I'll talk about why. But my gut does tell me a little bit lower than that. Yeah, we're going to really have to see with this one. And we're kind of more in line with a lot of our rankings here. Outside of like a 5 difference on US Agent. But yeah, so, Widow's Kiss, by the way it's their side, it's their card now. So, it's their side of the board. It's talking about not your side, not the White Widow's side, right? It's their side of the board. So, they're going to be trying to fill that lane up. Obviously to get rid of that thing. Right away. I just want to say I love Killmonger here. I think this is a really cool Killmonger play. Cause you're able to, where they think maybe that side is full. All of a sudden you make it unful, negative four and plus the one's gone now. So pretty big swap in power. I think that's really unique. But Alex, I think what makes you want to give this a high rating is the clog bro. Clog is killing it right now. Like really a sneaker in the archetype department. Looking at best decks. I mean, I saw some really good clog decks out there. And we gotta remember, this thing is putting for two costs. It's putting a card on their side of the location that they have to deal with immediately, right? This is one of those Bar Sinister Space Throne winners right off the rip, you know? Green Goblin used to be the one to fear. Now it's almost White Widow to some extent. As you get a quick clog element, first of all, even if you're not getting the negative four, you're just filling up a spot, which is pretty good but then also you've got other ways to manipulate this ability. I think it's pretty cool.
Alexander Coccia:It is cool. And like, I don't know if I'm I'm huffing the hopium, but like, is this, is this Punisher? Is this a potential Punisher game? Like, I don't know if Punisher actually has something to say about this or what?
Cozy Snap:Oh, dude, I was looking at, I was looking at this dude. That's, that's full hopium. That's like. You're on medical grade lethal dosage of opium if Punisher is in your You are putting stuff on their side. And so, you know, my brain thinks like, okay, maybe C2, maybe potentially you got a storm lane, you pop it in there, they can't fill that lane up in time, you're gonna win that lane, maybe, because you're putting that negative four there, potentially you have a Punisher to your point, but no Beast again. I think this is another Beast card. I mean, you have another way, maybe. To plug in two different locations? They don't have a lot of operation from that point.
Alexander Coccia:You know what really screws up this card? Super, super, super bad. Why I took it right down to a three for me. Annihilus just snaps on it. You send them a negative four, and they just send it back to you as a negative four. Like honestly, Annihilus, this is just fodder. Like, this is absolute fodder for Annihilus, it's fodder for Destroy, both of those, like, both of those you could easily get to Infinite, like, easily win Infinity Conquest, both those archetypes, I think, I think Annihilus is by far the most slept on archetype in Marvel Snap, and this is just gravy for that archetype, absolute gravy.
Cozy Snap:I love it for playing with it too, because essentially what's cool about it is you could do Widow's Kiss, maybe, like, left side, right? Okay, so, or middle, either or. And then you do the Century play, right? And now your opponent's like, oh my god, I gotta fill Void, but I gotta also fill the White Widow. And they can't do both. They can't do both. So, playing Annihilus, I think Annihilus is gonna feast, and White Widow's gonna kinda slot kinda nicely in there into these Annihilus decks as well. You're right though, that's definitely gonna be, you know, there's bound to be counters to the card. We always have to look at how played are those counters, right? So, potentially Mojo. Is Mojo? Did Mojo finally come out to play? Maybe?
Alexander Coccia:I only know one person that plays Mojo. It's my brother. He swears it's a good card. I swear he's drunk. I think Mojo is like one of the worst cards in the game. But like, okay, I guess, what are we tying Mona Lin with like, Widow's Kiss and then like, Mojo and Punisher? And you're just, you're just loving life? Like, what does this look like?
Cozy Snap:You would go with both those in the deck. Just call it Team Hopium. The Hopium Avengers. Yeah, yeah, well, on a more serious note, what about like because this isn't the clogged deck these days, especially. It's a kind of a harder play to pull off and it's rewarded by if you play a lot of Snap, you get good at it. The Titania Goblin play. You don't even have to do Green Goblin there, but Titania, if you can clog that lane with her and White Widow, You know, you play down Titanium, then you play White Widow. The Widow's Kiss goes over, Titanium goes to that side. They can't play any cards, and all you have to do is play one more card, boom, negative four.
Alexander Coccia:All I'm saying with Titanium is playing that card increases the stress level of my Marvel Snap gameplay by like 45%. Like, I can't, I can't do it, man. Every time I put Titanium in the deck, like, I want to play this card, I'm like, I'm just like, F this card, man, I can't do it. Like, I, either I'm garbage at this game, or this card just is not built for me. I know there's some people out there, like, I know Jeff. Plays a lot of titanium stuff like that. I was like, buddy, I can, I just can't. I just don't wanna deal with this card man.
Cozy Snap:It's a hard one man. But I do think clog is is not an easy archetype to play either. And I think there's the possibility like cannonball maybe, we'll like white widow a lot here to get the widows kiss. We need more ways to clog up debris has kind of been the main thing. It's just weird that she's a clog, but also you don't want to clog too much. It's a very weird. I, you know, IQ kind of play. Yeah. I, to your point, I think Jeff is going to love this car.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah. But honestly, like White Widow, another card is cozy mentioned. We're going to have to get our hands on because It has been nerfed significantly. We were saying it got nerfed. We were talking about like data mines before, right? But like, it's not even released yet. How do you nerf a card that's not released? But you know what I mean, right? It definitely has been brought more in line with expectation power wise because before it was absolutely cracked out of control. Now it's much more reasonable. But I do think that like a three star rating is probably where I land.
Cozy Snap:It's funny because we're like, you know, there's no way it comes out like this. Her and Red Hulk, and then they gave Red Hulk power. And that's where I'm just like, okay, yeah. Yeah. He's gonna be nuts. The next card May not be a 5 star card, but this is my 5 star card. This is by far my favorite card. No question of the month. It, it just hits my play style to a tee. I'm gonna love playing with Valentina, guys. On reveal, she's a 2 cost, 3 power card. Add a random 6 cost card to your hand, and then you're gonna give a negative 2 cost and negative 3 power. Sign me up, man. Sign me up for this card. This could be a freaking blast.
Alexander Coccia:You know what, Cozy? So this is one of the ones that I sat with for a while. I was like, I was really going through the lines, going through all the six drops, which ones are good, which ones are bad. I'm landing, and I always get nervous saying my star rating first, but I'm gonna go for it, Cozy. I'm giving this a four. I think this is a good card.
Cozy Snap:Oh, yeah, baby, dude. It's, I think it's definitely, okay, here, I did this. I got a little ChatGBT involved. Okay, I got ChatGBT. I put all the six cost cards on ChatGBT, and I said to give me ten examples. Pulling two randomly, and I'm just going to read the list off, right? And this is the possibility of what, of what this thing could pull, right? And you just tell me, you tell me if you love this, you hate it. Okay. So I guess snap or pass, we'll use that. You snap on this, you pass on it. Arniv, Zola, Galactus, Arniv, Forecast, Forecast. Yeah, because that's a tough one because you got a negative. Armin, Armin and Zola, Galactus, you'd have to really hit. It is on turn four, you could play him though, but interesting. Hey, Nolan Red Hulk.
Alexander Coccia:Interesting, probably Snap.
Cozy Snap:Apocalypse and Ultron.
Alexander Coccia:Ah, pass.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, that's a tough one. Spectrum Hela. Another pass, yeah. Doctor Doom.
Alexander Coccia:Snap. Snap. Just snap. Doctor Doom's awesome! Yep, I know. He loses his free power, but the bots remain. Like, that's one of the best ones.
Cozy Snap:Yep, and Onslaught was gonna be the which I think is still great for that. Probably
Alexander Coccia:fine, yeah.
Cozy Snap:Odin and She Hulk. Snaps. Infinite Magneto.
Alexander Coccia:Hmm, I like Magneto, Infinite not so much. Still snaps.
Cozy Snap:Okay, Blob and Odin.
Alexander Coccia:Ah, pass.
Cozy Snap:Living Tribunal and She Hulk. Wow, you're passing on a lot of these. I'd pass on that. You're saying this could be a good card and you've passed on most of these on most
Alexander Coccia:Well, it's because, like, Tribunal I think is super sus with this. Like, I wouldn't play Trib You don't just play Tribunal for fun. Fun. You're like, oh, well, I want 12 power crossbow. I play tribunal. What the hell, man?
Cozy Snap:To be, but to look at some of this, you got to remember though, Luke Cage, just in like the way this can curve out. You could essentially, if things go right, like take that Arnim Zola Galactus hand, you're like pass. Well, if you play Valentina and you have Luke Cage ready to go, you're at that point, you just have. A four cost Galactus. You have a, you have a Arnim Zola that you could even play early, copy it twice, and then go from there and play the loot cage later on. A most of the, like, Red Hulk and Noel, and think about it, this was only one instance, right? There's some instances where you're just getting Dr. Doom's Magnetos, you're getting some good stuff. This is going to allow A weird new archetype in a way of like this six cost, oh man, there's gonna be Quinjet in there, I think she's gonna slide right in there with Quinjet Loki, I just don't, I think it's one of those classic, if you hate what you have, you kill it, but if you love it, you get some crazy value.
Alexander Coccia:You know what you're going to see, right? This is exactly what you're going to see. You're going to see Quinjet, right? You're going to see Zaboo on the board. And this is going to be a highlight on Reddit where someone makes a post tilted out of their mind. You're going to see Shawn Chi one lane for three costs, and then a three cost because the Quinjet Alioth in the other lane. And like, that's what's going to happen. That's the world we're coming up to. Because when you get Alioth now at four, discounted to three because of Quinjet, That's, that's what Tilt is made of.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, and with Nick Fury, it doesn't give you Agatha. It says random. I would imagine this could be the exact same kind of thing. We may not have Agatha in the pool. We'll have to, you know, find out. Because if you get Agatha on turn three GG, and then it's almost, like, oof. That's, you know, that's tough. That's gambling with a lot. Really?
Alexander Coccia:She plays herself. It's, like, almost immediately. Oh, yeah, you're right. actually,
Cozy Snap:yeah, you're right, actually, yeah. So she's what? At that point, she's negative three. So she's only, dude, she's still double digits. All day. Actually, it might be a good pull. I know. Okay, you might actually want that. That'd be cool, man. Actually, okay. Okay, I like it. I mean, listen, Odin, Onslaught Leader. A lot of these cars just have fantastic abilities attached to them rather than just the power. And then the ones that don't have just massive power. So like, it's kind of a win win either way. I can see this again, yeah, Pixie, Loki, these kind of just like, already kind of weird decks. Hey, Ravonna at this point, you could then take down, let's say I don't know, Leader is the first one that comes to mind. He goes down to negative one, but now Ravonna can also discount him even more as well. So you have multiple ways to continue the discounts on these guys. Valentina's gonna be super fun and, and a hard thing to play against when they play.'cause you're gonna have to be like, I have, it's like the raft, like, what did they get? I have no idea. And Luke Cage technically just nullifies it now. Mo Mobius.
Alexander Coccia:I was just gonna say There's someone else that likes to nullify things as well. Mobius and Mobius does kind of give us a nice clapping though.
Cozy Snap:Is it when you give it negative to cost? I would assume Mobius, like if you played Mobius and your opponent played Mobius. It would go back to six. Yeah. I mean, your cars can't be reduced, but I think this is given that negative two cars. So I think it's just like she Hulk would be.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, exactly. Like, the way Mobius interaction has been, it always trumps every other cost reduction, no matter what. So, like, if you both play, everything just stays vanilla, right? Yeah. Yeah, so what you're saying is correct.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, so really good card, man. I think this will be fun. I give it a 4 star for sure. Probably like a 3. 5 to 4, and it is my 5 star favorite card. It's the pixie of this month, just extremely crazy. Excited to see more of Valentina. And fun fact, I believe I'm making the video for that for the the Snap Channel, guys, so I'll get to test her early and I'm excited about it. Lastly, my gosh, this guy got a glow up. Red Guardian. He was a lot different last time we looked at him. He's a 3 cost, 3 power card now. On reveal, afflict the lowest power enemy card at the location you play Red Guardian. With negative two power and you remove its text. Oh boy, Alex, what are you giving this?
Alexander Coccia:That's once again, some more magic, the gathering style text boxes here. I almost feel like it should be, we should, we need like a new keyword. If we're going to add recruit, we need to add like mute, mute the card or something like that. Right. Just clean it up a little bit, but anyways, this is, yeah, this has been changed a bunch. I'm going with three stars, but actually, ironically, this one has been by far the hardest for me to rank. This was the one I went back and forth on. I feel like it's better than I was giving initial credit for, because even something like Zabu, that's a huge, huge change, right? And you can play this reactively to something like a Zabu. So I like that. Ravonna the same way, right? Mobius gets crushed with this. Ernie, any really high impact 2 drop in the game hates Red Guardian. And so like, I think it has potential. I'm just not quite sure how it'll play.
Cozy Snap:It's a new I know, so this is what it reminds me of. It's a new tech card, is the way to look at it. And tech cards, we have seen land way up here and tech cards have gone way down here. So it's gonna have a lot of universal use in a lot of ways that excites me. And I think I want to give it like a four plus star just for the utility we're about to talk about. But also it's like, okay, but how many times will this be useful, right? Like even Lady Deathstrike, which coincidentally, I think it's a spotlight card with her. Kind of makes sense. You can kill all the other cards and then you can, you know, have one remain. And that's where I think Red Guardian is cool, man. Like, Gnoll is a great example. Null is oftentimes played on his own lane, and if you can somehow know when they're going to have that, or x23 was played so they play the Null early. If you play this guy in the later end, he straight up kills the Null. He straight up can just ruin that card. Now it is by power, Null would have to be the only card there. But I think what's really cool about him is that he can shut down solo lanes completely. And he's a new ongoing counter. He can go against ongoing cards really well. Iron Man, obviously, would be brutalized. Dracula as well. Devil Dinosaur, if that's played in some location. So there is some really cool baying with this card. And then, on the floor side, to your point, Zabu, Mobius, you know, these cards, Ravonna. You're able to shut those down too. Again, another living tribunal killer in a sense as well, because you're able to not only get rid of the Iron Man potentially, but you can also give it negative three power or negative two power going back to what I said about Widow's Kiss, you could kill Monger and get rid of what they thought was the lowest power card. And then there's only one that remains. And it's the one that you can turn the text off. You can get rid of Deadpool. This guy's got some serious potential, man.
Alexander Coccia:He does. And even something like turning off a Nebula is kind of really valuable. Like Nebula is one of those cards that sneakily gets powerful through the course of a match, right? And I had this thought as well, like, does this destroy a lot of these ongoing cards that often sit by themselves? Right. But. What I think is balanced here is that, like, something like an Enchantress, which is slightly more power and more expensive, has that blanket effect, right? It hits everything in the location. It'll hit the armor, it'll hit the double dinosaur, it'll hit whatever else is there, whereas the Red Guardian's only gonna hit the one targeted. So I do think it's well designed from that standpoint. It doesn't like completely, you know, power creep on Enchantress, who has been seeing some play. But honestly, since it's nerfed from, well, it went from a 4 6, it went from a 4 5. I think this finds this interesting niche. It'll just be It's you just have to test it. Like I'm just, I'm really, I really want to get this card in my hands to test it. Cause it is a really unique tech card. I almost see it comparable to Shadow King. Where it's like Shadow King. It's hard to really feel how powerful that card is until you see it really pop off.
Cozy Snap:What makes me worried about him and to the point against Shadow King is that he's three costs. I want, we've seen that before. It's expensive, man. It's an expensive tech card in some ways. Maybe if you play him alongside another one, like Shang Chi and you had the Zabu, whatever. I gotta see the worth, not only for the deck spot, but also just playing them out later rather than earlier. But man, we've all been there where your opponent just top stack Black Knight all the time or Zabu, and it's like this is a nice little way if you're sick of that to really, you know, feast off it. So there's some, you know, somewhat stronger potential there. I also think it could be funny to, you know, find a way to turn off a card ability right before they're about to do this huge play. You know, we already talked about like Deadpool, but there's There's tons of examples of just that, like let's say even like, I don't know, Brood, you're able to play that, and then they're about to play an Absorbing Man, but you turn off the Brood, so it has no text now at this point. There's some cool stuff to be bound with Red Guardian, and it's a fun character at that, so definitely definitely is exciting, bro. We said this would be a shorter episode. I'm pretty much like spitting blood at this moment, but it's but we got through it, man. We got through it, and we were able to talk about all the, all the new cards. Really fun season ahead, and outside of the US Agent, I think this is a pretty unique one at that.
Alexander Coccia:It's a strong season. Each of the cards have their own unique flavor, which I think is great. Like, you want to have these cards kind of hold their own, make the meta interesting that week they come out. And ultimately, I think we're in for a fun ride. Cozy, this is one of my absolute favorite ones that we do. We're going to be going back in time. We're going to be taking a look at what we ranked the cards of March this past season. We're going to be discussing where we ranked them, what we thought, and most importantly give an updated final rankings For those cards. Retrospect, as they say, 2020 is just beautiful. And we get to do that on this version of the Snapchat. Cozy, how you doing, my man?
Cozy Snap:Oh, you know if you guys didn't watch Alex's side a little bit under the weather, but other than that, man, you know, I've got to play more Snap, which is fun, but yeah, man, just looking forward to the new season.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, the new season is going to be great. We covered it on Cozy's side. If you hadn't watched that yet, be sure to check out the link in the description and of course, the link at the end of the video here today. Now, Cozy, what we're going to do is we're going to start with Hope Summers. Hope Summers, the season pass card. This card has definitely had a massive impact on the meta. Has a 31 percent meta share as of right now. A great win rate, great cube rate. Cozy, we came in pretty hot on Hope Summers. I had ranked it a 4th. Five. You had come in at a 4.5 in classic cozy 4.5 fashion. Listen, I'm just gonna say it. I think this is a five star card. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Cozy Snap:She's good. I, I, I'm, I'm glad we've held ourselves now to only do one five, I think is what our new kind of standard was. And yeah, this was the one that hit, it's crazy, this game in reading cards. It's so hard in practice to see if they live up to the potential and just their play lines and what they do. We knew Hope Summers was going to be really good because she just adds to what the fuel of a deck is already doing. And she has stood the test of time, man. I don't know about you, but when I'm building decks, it's almost like, Hey, this could, this could use Hope Summers and, and just synergizes with some of the best ones out there.
Alexander Coccia:It's such a natural inclusion in so many different decks, like honestly. And it's it's similar to what we talked about with, with Red Hulk. Like you, you can put this pretty much anywhere. It really goes pretty much anywhere and even in decks that aren't like designed like at first we were like oh what if we do bounce what if we do this like we get super greedy with it you don't even have to. In fact one of the best performing decks with Hope Summers right now is one that's recently re emerging and believe it or not I'm gonna show it on the screen here it's the auto deck from Silver Surfer the classic Sebastian Shaw, Nova, Forge, Okoye, Brood, Rogue, Silver Surfer, Killmonger, Nakia, Hope Summer, Sebastian Saw, Absorbing Man, and Sarah. Can you believe that that deck is making a comeback and it's doing it on the shoulders of Hope Summers and it's been a remarkable performer like I just honestly seeing a Silver Surfer deck running a 56 percent win rate and a meta stock with amazing cards and amazing decks it really brings a smile to my face and unfortunately Hope Summers is also really good in Thanos and really good in all these other archetypes which it also helps elevate and they don't need to be elevated but Honestly, this card's been remarkable.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, she's gonna set the standard moving forward for like ramp and maybe even season pass card. Like that's what's tough about ranking something like Baron. But again, it's cool. It's plug and playable. But then you have Hope Summers that is not just a ramp card. It's really the first of ramp cards that can be played across the board. Like almost like Wave on release. Like where you just had this, like just have Wave in there. Why not? You can play your Doom early and then you can do some more crazy stuff. But yeah, Hope Summers is It's good to see Surfer come back, especially just a deck that can counter just about anything. It's just kind of a jack of all trades deck and it's good to see, you know, that one re emerge.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, so like definitely Hope Summers has been a great Season Pass card. And it's been a couple months of like some ho hum Season Pass cards. We had Scar, which was good, but it was not necessarily a Meta Shaker. We had Black Swan, which I think most of you forgot existed, let's be honest, right? This has been the most recent one. Feels like a must buy, but also I'm going to say this. It's a must buy, but also it's, it's not meta completely wet meta warping. It's not like what Loki was doing. Like you don't lose the game. You're like, hope summers F right. You know what I mean? Like, it's not that kind of card. You're just like they got hope. Summer's on three. This is, this game's harder now. You know what I mean? Like, it's just a really good. Fair, strong card.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, she does. She feels good. It almost like a, like something like X 23, right? Where like, you're like, they got X 23. This game's going to be different. It's gonna be a tougher game, but you're not like, oh man, that card's so broken. I'm so upset about it. Right? Like it just changes the way you know, it does the same kind of similar effect as well. And it's really opened up. Some other cards that needed some love as well and bring that back. I mean, I don't know about you, Professor X has definitely found his way a bit more. He's not like super meta or anything, but he's found his way a bit more because you know, you have Hope Summer's able to do this like cheeky lock up thing. And now thanks to the new, like normal stat line on the three costs, the three fives of the world, you know, three, four is still stupid, good stats for what she does too.
Alexander Coccia:No, there's no doubt about it. Right. So honestly, Hope Summer's absolutely excellent card and sets the stage and perhaps the baseline for the expectations for season pass cards moving forward. Very well designed, very fair. Happy that this is in the game. And again, a 31 percent Metashare. They sold season passes this month. That's for sure. A lot to love about Hope Summers. Oh, and by the way. This should not be relevant, but I'm going to say it anyways. Without question, one of the absolute best season pass variants we've had in the longest time. Absolutely awesome season pass variant. He loves it. And why, why haven't you upgraded your card yet?
Cozy Snap:Dude, I, you know what? I've, I've waited for the perfect Hope Summers variant and I love it. I love it. It's a great variant, but I'm like, maybe, maybe, maybe they're going to release, I don't know. I, I've, I've waited and I've waited and I have Like, 247 boosters or something, so I'm ready to rock and roll on it, but you know, I feel like they've done really good with all the season pass variants. Most of them are pretty cool, like Black Swans was pretty sick too, no?
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, it was pretty cool, because it's like, yeah, the art, the art's been remarkable. That's actually one thing about Marvel Snap that I think draws a lot of people in. The art is truly fantastic, and it's just fun to play with art that's as good as it is, and talking about good art, Pixie. Pixie has some good variants too. But in terms of the actual gameplay, Cozy, I'm not sure what happened to Pixie. In fact, when I was going through some of the stats, Cozy, I actually think that your deck, the one that you designed for Pixie, was one of the absolute top performers. You had the Black Knight one, which was one of the top performers. You also had the the High Evo one that had the mix in with the Professor X, which I actually thought was really, really cool. And even without Pixie, I think that adding Professor X and EvoDex is probably being slept on. And your boy, you came up with that. I like that. So I want you to kind of lead with Pixie, but I gotta tell you, I think on aggregate, Pixie It's not looking very hot.
Cozy Snap:It's not like this, like, Oh, sweaty, competitive card. I think it's a super fun. Let's start there. But B, I think it, it does hold its own in certain ways. And it depends on the deck build. So like why it works in high Evo so well, it's like, if the card doesn't get a reduction, you're still fine, right? So like Alioth and Hulk and these cards, it's like, if there's still six, that's okay, they're so OP at what they do. And yes, you know, you don't want like a Cyclops of yours being like a five cost card at that point. You need the great ratio of one cost, which that, you know, has in Nebula, Sunspot, and then also these higher cost cards. To have that perfect kind of synergy. We also did not know or at least understand the swapping mechanics at first. Of like, it can swap with itself and there's been some wonky things that have happened with that. And the reliability there. I think it's super fun. It has a lot of upside to it and it still has the strengths of what it does well. I personally like it opposed to even Mr. Negative. Like, I think it just has a lot of creative deck builds to it as you know, alongside it. But Yeah, pixie. I think we both said what we, we both said it was gonna be a very fun card. We didn't expect it to be like meta shaping. Or we could have said, I think we may have said like, it could have that potential being stupid busted before we knew the swapping effect.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah. So we were kind of low on it. You were a little high. You gave it a three. So, I mean, a three's not high. That's a like a tempered response. I, I gave it a two. I gave it a 2, and I mean listen, it's running a 45 percent win rate, a negative 40 cube rate. It's like, oh no, it's,
Cozy Snap:it's like, these stats are, these stats are one
Alexander Coccia:star stats. I don't think it's a one star card, but these are one star stats, you know what I'm saying?
Cozy Snap:Yeah, I, listen, I'm, I'm big on stats, but I also think there are cards where like that player's gonna play different, and Pixie is one of those kind of like all in, but like, I, for instance, I really liked it with War Machine too, because like, you do just get this chance if you get yourself something like an Infinite at a two cost, you just have this different gameplay. There's some really, like, you win the game type of decks. If I'm just trying to kick back and win games still, but in a more fun, leisure way, it's with Pixie.
Alexander Coccia:That's fair. One thing I want to mention though, and this isn't necessarily to do with the power of the card, it has some impact on it, I really, really don't like the shuffle. Like, I don't like, I know I'm, this might be like the idea of like, you know, sticking my heels in and getting angry. I don't like it. I really do think that there should be like a swap and I know there's people as well, Alex, if you do the math and you can't, no, I don't care. I don't do math. We know that. Okay. Anybody that's watched my stream knows I don't do
Cozy Snap:math,
Alexander Coccia:but like, I just, I really do think though that like, they should not be swapping themselves. Like I understand why it's happening that way, but I feel like Pixie, Logically makes more sense if it's a swap and I think it's way stronger that way. I think the statistics illustrate that it could do that and not destroy the game.
Cozy Snap:Yeah. And I wish, because then it has this predictability. Like you pull your sunspot and it's a five cost. You're like, aha, my Legion now is going to be a one cost, right? Like, I, I wish we had that to it. And the, the swapping itself. It almost makes you just build weighted decks at just, like, put in a good amount of 6 costs in there, and then just let it fly, and see if you get your Dr. Doom at a 2 cost, and then ha ha, right? But no, I've liked her a lot with Sunspot, a ton with Infinite, because if you do have these big cards now. Funny enough, like, Mobius is good. Obviously, Mobius has a lot of synergy with her. But on Curve, what, like, I'm not always playing Mobius in those decks, with the way it works. I'm not saying that it's bad. It's a very good synergy but I like Sunspot a little bit more there because then you just float it on over to her over to him, and then, you know, you have the crazy potential with her, so, you know, we'll see you know, how she ages over time. I think she's gonna fall into that Mr. Negative type, you know, play.
Alexander Coccia:And that's fair. And I honestly, again, I really liked your Evo rendition of the deck. It's actually one of my favorite Evo decks I've played in a while. But my concern here is that like with Pixie, you go Pixie 2, Mobius and Mobius on 3. And Mobius was not only great offensively for yourself, but it also shut down the Mockingbirds and everything else that was going on, right? Even, even the Toxic Seras you're starting to see now. So Mobius had this like two pronged attack. It was so important to the deck. And it's like, even with that. I felt like Pixie still kind of underperformed, even with the potential to like, have that, like absolutely remarkable two, three combo. But, and this is the last point I want to make about Pixie. When someone plays Pixie and snaps, I sweat.
Cozy Snap:Yeah.
Alexander Coccia:Cause like, cause seriously, like what do they do? Yeah. What, what did their wasps become? You know what I mean?
Cozy Snap:Yep. And even more so I've learned if you do like a turn four snap, you play Pixie, you wait a turn and then you turn four snap, like, oh my God, do they have two? Do they have a Dr. Doom and a, and an Odin or whatever. Right. She's cool. I think people should try her out more.
Alexander Coccia:Absolutely. It's definitely worth trying out. You know, maybe in conquest a little bit until it gets buffed, but until then it's definitely a fun card, as you did say. Now there's a card that is fun, but is way more powerful than fun. And that my friend is Mockingbird. Mockingbird, my gosh, is probably one of the biggest, I wouldn't even say surprises. We were pretty high on the Mockingbird. I came in at four, you came in at 4. 5. And even then, I was listening back to it, you were like, Alex, I kind of want to lean. You were starting to lean even higher. You were just, you were practicing restraint at 4. 5. I think this is, honestly, this is probably another five star card. Honestly, it's, how could it not be?
Cozy Snap:When we were talking about it, I just kept thinking to myself, like, I'm so okay with just playing a 5 9, even if everything went wrong. And there's so much, I mean, Baron Zemo's another example. There was just so many cards that ended up discounting her in locations that we just didn't realize as that started to add up. And she kinda single handedly is Mica Thano. I just, the The stones are a thing, but Thanos and the way those discount her is just insanity, and she builds into a lot of great archetypes. Truly, you know, I could think back, but this has been a great season of these, like, cards that are working in multiple decks. The Hope Summers, the Mockingbird, Pixie to a good extent.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, this is running an 18 percent meta share, so it's definitely being played. But like, I, I'm a little disappointed with this in one way. I did not want this to be a Thanos card. I wanted this to be a Zoo card. I wanted it to be a Patriot card. It has the opportunity, and it has risen those archetypes to the next level. It legitimately has. Thanos was this, like, unfortunate, like, Benefit like I can't believe that Thanos got this and everyone's like Mockingbird and Thanos. It's so good I'm getting mad at Mockingbird like we need to fix the Thanos side of it because Mockingbird is absolutely more than fair in Brute Absorbing Mendex. It's more than fair and in like All those different types of archetypes like Zoo and others that like, really take advantage, even Shield. It's a Shield card. Look at those paddles. She's ready to give a paddling on behalf of Shield. It just sucks that it's all focused around Thanos because she's so much better than that.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, and they did that, you saw with Pixie, like they killed that synergy and you would think like maybe they were gonna just include that little bit of text in there that cut that down. Yeah, Thanos, I mean, we know at this point, like, I think we're just exa it's such a, like, we've talked about it, he's deserving because he's that, he is Thanos, he's a big bad, but there is this I would not be shocked. We got a patch coming up. We got an OTA coming up. Yeah, Thanos time to sun is gonna probably be dimmed. We're gonna be looking at the end of Infinity War. Actually, I don't want to spoil it, but you know, okay, Thanos is gonna change.
Alexander Coccia:Don't don't spoil things. Come on, you can spoil Infinity War. Technically, it's the multiverse now, right? So there's like a trillion Thanoses. Is that, am I not correct? Right? So, talking about like, just perfect, right? Like, hey, we can do whatever the hell we want now, anyway. That's a whole other conversation, but Mockingbird, definitely Cozy. Are we good at five stars here, or what?
Cozy Snap:Yeah, this is definitely like, one of the better cards you could have gotten.
Alexander Coccia:Absolutely, and again, unfortunate that it's being shoehorned into Thanos, where honestly, it is so much better in so many other decks. Now, here is a card that has been a surprise. And I am not sure how I want to rank Cannonball because my heart, we actually came in at Cannonball as a two, we both gave it a two. And in my notes here, I'm saying he's a two, but you know what? Over the last couple of days, I've been playing more Cannonball.
Cozy Snap:Yeah.
Alexander Coccia:And I'm like, this card might be like one minor, minor buff from being so good. Like it's, it's better. It's simultaneously better than I expected it to be and worse than it should be. Like, there's something weird about this card. I can't quite put my finger on it. I wonder if the rock should always just be there. Like it should always just do the rock thing. But Cannonball, I'm really struggling with, even right now.
Cozy Snap:I think, too, what I was saying about Titania for the Clog side, when we talked about White Widow, I think he rewards really intelligent play, right? It, it, it, the Clog strategy, if you guys have tried a Clog deck and it just isn't really working with your style, it's a tougher deck to play. You gotta really not only, like, telegraph well, but you also have to, or re telegraph well, but you also have to just be able to do plays that are not your just, hey, I'm gonna play big power card. And Cannonball's got a lot of moving mechanics. I think he's gonna go up. I think White Widow is gonna help him. We need more reliable ways to clog the opponent's side. Listen, there are people that are absolutely crazy about him and love him. I prefer A lot of the times other play lines, but Hey, you know, yeah. What did you say? You gave him a two.
Alexander Coccia:We both gave him two right now. I have it listed as a two. And even right now I'm not, I'm like, I'm like, I almost want to give him a three. Like he's not really a two card. I think he's better than that. And you are right. White widow coming out. Does have an impact the games I've lost against players playing cannonball. Like I don't care if it's eight cubes. I I'm applauding them. I'm like, yes, beautiful. Well done, sir. You like, you deserve it. You know, the world's your oyster, my friend, because like you play cannonball. You absolutely trucked me. Perfect. Like it, it has so much swing potential. I just, hopefully someone in the comments or like the community can like resonate with the fact that I'm saying that this card for some reason just doesn't feel right to me. Like, I feel like it's just the smallest nudge. To being a good card. It's just not there yet. It's too inconsistent. I don't know if it's the rock thing where it's like, I just want the rock always. Cause sometimes you're just, sometimes it's just Stegron. Like who was the last time you played Stegron? Never. I know you haven't. Right. Because who the hell plays Stegron? You don't want this. You don't want Cannonball to be Stegron.
Cozy Snap:Yeah. And yeah, I think you got a lot with the highs come the highs, the lows come the low, and you have to really like work your way to that high to make it work. Get Ed in it. You know, you remember the lows, you don't always celebrate the highs. And so I think he doesn't give you that rewarding feeling constantly, which makes it tough. And again, I would say people that are. Extremely skillful. It's like the same people that like love move decks, right? It's like, cause they know what's happening. I, again, I'll shout out a guy named Mango. I played this guy in the ladder and he just torches. We play this mango fella. It's cause like all gold, all gold move cards. This guy's legit. And I'm like, he's playing another Marvel Snap that I'm playing.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, honestly, it's like move might be an archetype that's worth returning to at some point. Cause there was a point in time where there was the the Spider Man 2099 deck that actually got to like top eight in a, was it the Snap Fan Open? I think it was. I can't quite remember what it was, but, and Glenn was like, I told you guys, I told you, that there was a Spider Man 2099 deck that was legit. Right. So like it's funny what you, like what you can come across at higher echelons of the meta. And I, I've been trucked by Cannonball a few times. It's just. So I'm curious, like, what's your final ranking here? Because I've gotten in at two, I'm gonna settle in at two, but like, I'm not comfortable on it. I think he might be better.
Cozy Snap:I like a two, 2. so we're about the same. Yeah.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, can you see him being a three or four in the future though? Like, don't you, don't you kind of agree that he's like one little nudge away from being incredible? Yeah, White
Cozy Snap:Widow, I'm telling you man, when you, that's a two cost car that you can add power, er, you add the clog, I mean, and being able to fill those locations that much more. It's going to make that rock effect that much better.
Alexander Coccia:All right. So this deck is writing itself. So we have Titania. We have a white widow. We have a goblin green. God, I'm going to be in there.
Cozy Snap:Doc.
Alexander Coccia:And I'm all the greatest list of all time being written 65 percent win rate incoming. Absolutely. Perfect. All right. Cozy. Now this is one that man. Okay. So war machine. Now, I know, okay, so I'm gonna let you lead the way here because there's some there's some conflicting stats and feelings here, and I kind of, I'm not sure what to think, so I'll give you the floor here.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, listen I'm just gonna let time work its course over here. I know stats are bad now, I totally get the analytic side of things I, I still, I still think he's a, he's a, he's a decently good card. I, I don't think he's exactly, it's tough because when you looked at what he did, it really, there's play lines and there's stuff that's like, instantly five star. And this is what's tough about evaluating, right? Day one and even day two. Dude, I was on a tear with this card. An absolute tear. I was on the Black Knight deck that I concocted. It's doing great in Infinity Conquest. It's got 300 plus games to it. 59 percent nearly win rate. I mean, infinity only. That's killing. That's actually near the top. If you look at it, it's near the top and I, in my video, I was like, hey, this is going to be a great, great conquest card and then pretty good around the board other places. He reminds me a lot of Supergiant. got dumped on by every single person I could imagine. And then as time went on a little bit, it, it, there was kind of that niche and you could understand why. I think War Machine will settle into his own. When you have everybody playing War Machine, you couldn't do the control style, right? The Infi Naut plays huge. I mean, we could get at that, but there is those risks. You're running these cards all of a sudden that have a different thing. But I love the Goose play. I loved that in there as well. And, and obviously, the synergy with Zabu. I gave it a 5. Looking back, that would go to Hope, and I would probably dial him back to a 4. You know, but I'm, I'm happy to be in the same camp that I was with with Supergiant. Was feasting on a supergiant deck for a long time after her. And you know, War Machine, I'd be happy to be the one that's playing them.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah. I mean, War Machine right now it's running about a 48 percent win rate, which is it's low. It's low. Right. And I think one of the things we talked about on the last week's Snapchat was that the four, six power holds it back a lot. The effects really strong, but it's like, it's not. It's a white queen stat line, right? And I think that kind of holds it back, but its effect is so powerful, even defensively, not just with the Infinite, but like, it basically makes it so that like, you know, stormed locations don't matter, got Clint or Klein, whatever the hell it's called, doesn't matter. Like all these locked on effects don't matter. And that makes a huge difference.
Cozy Snap:I think too, it's the next turn ability. The, you know, when you have like Jessica Jones, you have these big upside power cards. But, so turn 6, him being invalid on turn 6 is tough. And a lot of times, you're playing him on 5. I mean, you're playing him on 5 a good amount. Obviously, you can play him on 4 if you get things lined up. And to our point, he's a good Hope Summers card at that. He has opened up some really cool play. And he's, he's, I think, elevated control. Statistics aside, I think he has elevated control. Black Knight has always been this pop off, pop off deck. But again, if you want to go off statistics, they ain't lying. It definitely is, has performed at a, at a pretty high level. But it's still not being the Hela version of the deck and things like that. I want to see how he settles into control. I do want to see how that works out with him. But yeah, you know, I, I think the next turn effect is It does hurt him a little bit.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah. Like if I can go back in time, he probably statistically, he's like a two star, but I actually, I don't think he's actually a two star. I feel like he's more of like a three. Definitely. I'm having a hard time like coming to terms with this. Cause I really do respect the effect and in playing it, I can see how it's so good.
Cozy Snap:Yeah. It's again, it's hard to evaluate cars in this game. Very hard. No question. I think, you know, I, I think truly. Sit and give it some time. It's not like, give it time like Grand you know, Grandmaster. There will be cards that come out. It's more of, like day one, man. I mean, you could not, you li I had to literally go the Black Knight route. Because I could not do Storm Legion. Couldn't have it. Could not do Storm. Because everyone was playing it. You would lose the biggest oomph about it. And you have a card that's almost pigeonholed to T4, T5, turn four, turn five. Like that's kind of the only turn you're going to play this card. And that is difficult. That's difficult.
Alexander Coccia:And it's really strong in conjunction. You mentioned before, like Hope Summer's into a turn five infinite. It's a wild, it's a massive power swing, especially when you can throw it into a location that maybe they can't access, say from Shaanxi, or you throw it on top of Goose, right? So there's a lot of ways you can play around it. And so perhaps with War Machine, the best is yet to come. And Cozy, that brings us to our. Favorite segment of the week and this week we're doing two segments and that takes us to the mailbag We're doing our mailbag here We got a number of questions here and I'm excited because we're catching up on the prior week's questions We did the interview with our PAX friends You know Ryan Hartman and Dave who were it was a it was a really fun time at PAX East and getting to speak to Them was was remarkably fun. And today we get to answer some of your questions including one from Yash Patel which reads If there was a card that you could sign in the game, such as the Nick Fury variant with Samuel L. Jackson, what would it be? Personally, I think that Star Lord should be what Cozy signs, and Alex should sign Howard the Duck.
Cozy Snap:Oh, so not, like, I was gonna say I want Scarlett Johansson's Black Widow, but yeah it, hmm, if I, Like, who do
Alexander Coccia:we resonate so much with that we would sign? I'm trying to figure out why, I, I get why you're Star Lord. Why am I Howard the Duck? I
Cozy Snap:think I have, I gotta find my Why are you Howard? Yeah, I was gonna say you're like I would. Honestly, I always resonate with Chavez, or even in the old days, like Devil Dino. I mean, this is, if this isn't 616, by the way, for the Marvel fans, if this isn't indicative, this is me and Starlord Tribe did this, this was awesome. It's gotta be Starlord. I mean, like, I feel like he answered the question in it. I feel like I have to do Starlord.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, it has to be. There's even that one variant that looks exactly like you, too, which is just too fitting. I mean, for me, I agree. I would love to sign I mean, my signing for Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur together? Like, is that is that what I'm doing? I wouldn't mind signing for Hmm. Like, even, even Groot. I would like to sign for Groot, but why would I sign for Groot? Like, I'm not Vin Diesel. Like, I just, I just love baby Groot. And our next question comes from 2Creepers1Steve. Cozy, right off the top though, not even part of the question, you know what that reference is? 2Creepers1Steve? 2Creepers,
Cozy Snap:yeah, it's been a while. Mine, Minecraft? That is
Alexander Coccia:a reference to the Minecraft, which I still do not know how to play. The question reads, with so many great variants in the game, what do you guys think of SD implementing a way to favourite multiple variants and splits that would randomise from game to game?
Cozy Snap:Yeah, I mean, I would love that. I think that's I think it's cool to have that for a lot of the things, like the avatars, the card backs, and just like pick your three favorites and then have those go out, because there's, there's a lot of, you know, splits you can make now that are sweet, and it's tough to, tough to pick just one. Yeah, I'm all for it.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, I'm definitely all for it too, but it got me thinking about the custom card feature and how, like, I've kind of made the custom card I want for the most part, and now I'd want, like, a second custom card slot that it could rotate randomly, and something tells me I won't get that for free, so it's like You know what I mean? So it's like, I like the idea. I think it's a great idea, right? Definitely a great idea. But I wonder how that gets actually implemented. But honestly, the ability to like, have favourited variants rotate out randomly is great. I really do like that. So, great suggestion. And our next question comes from Willer Honey, and it reads, Should Second Dinner give more time between balance patches? Sometimes it feels like as soon as players get used to playing their cards one way, they have to relearn the game all over again. It's fun, but at the same time, it can be a lot of information.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, so on this one, I feel like the, the really like eye opening ones, like the Chavez from 6 to 1 to 2 to 1 and then what was the other one? We just had another one recently that was, it looks so weird at the, at the, oh Adam Warlock, right? Like. Those ones. Like, you come back to the game, you're like, what the hell? But like, you know, the Captain Marvels and stuff, it's like, okay. You know, I think, I think those are good. I think those really help the, the life of the game. You know, you've got competitive and you have casual OTAs really suit the competitive player and then the casual doesn't usually like that'cause they come back and like, dude, I just was playing with this card. You do have to find this ebb and flow. And I feel like they kind of have, right, they're not doing them as often as they were even say like six months ago.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, it's kind of funny too, because, so I play a couple different games, kind of, even on my phone, a couple mobile games, and they get patched, like, kind of, relatively frequently, and I don't even read the patches, like, I don't even care. I noticed that one time, I was playing this, like, tower defense game, that was, like, kind of, like, multiplayer competitive tower defense, and, like, they patched this one tower, like, super, super hard. I was, like Was I bad? Cause I wasn't even playing that tower. How did I not even recognize that? Apparently that is like the one that need to get patched nine times. You know what I mean? It's like, I guess like for Marvel Snap, there's players like that. They just don't give a hoot, man. They just show up and they've done a good job of having that pop up come up to be like, Hey, just so you know, cause I don't remember the circumstances, but I remember my brother say, who only plays like, like 12 cards, honestly. He was like, yo, they changed this card. They could have told me before I queued, man. Like what the eff? So like, I've definitely seen stuff like that happen, but ultimately I will say this, even if you don't realize it, you are addicted to the update cadence in Marvel Snap. So no, you don't want additional time between patches because you will start shaking with withdrawal because we are so used to the meta constantly shifting, although I do like when the game has some time to breathe, especially with the events like that X Men and Avengers event. was Chef's Kiss. I loved it so much. I hope that comes back. Our next question comes from Sam and it reads, How many new emotes do you have and which ones are your favorite and what do they mean to you? Like, what are you trying to express when you miss Marvel or Cosmo emote somebody?
Cozy Snap:Oh man, I, like the new emotes. I think they're a ton of fun. I, the one I feel bad about using, the, the Iceman, like with the, with the sweat. I hear that, not the sweat, but the, I guess the water coming off it. Usually I do that if I've made a screwed up, like I messed something up, I'll put that like, I'm ice cold. That's terrible. You know, dead, bad play. It's kind of like the dead pool emote kind of does the same thing. I, sometimes if I'm feeling like really, really toxic, if I'm like going into like, I have an awesome play about to happen and I'm recording and I'm like, so excited, they leave. I'll put that like. The Cosmo play is typically if I lose to like a Blob or a Meta Card, I'll throw the Cosmo Shades at them. Those are the only like, ones that I'll be the mad at ones. The other one I'll do is like, if we get like X Men Mansion, I'll do the the Colleen Wing with the, this right before it does it. Like, as in like Let's see what the hell happens, man. But what about you?
Alexander Coccia:It's funny. You mentioned the Cosmo one, because for me, Cosmo is like a really mild mannered Miss Marvel thumbs up. Like that's the way kind of like I read it. I haven't even unlocked it yet. Cause I have not finished. I actually have unlocked pretty much any of the. Albums yet. I'm kind of behind on that for some reason. I'm not a big like variant purchaser, and I guess I haven't opened my 600 caches yet, so I haven't unlocked all the Dan hips. But the one that I do have, that I sheepishly did spend the money, I was with you when I bought it! Oh yeah, that's right. I bought, I had to buy the Groot emote, the don't push the button. My whole plan for it is every time I'm retreating, I'm just pushing the button. So just before I retreat, you're going to see my Groot Come up, I'm going to hit the button and it's going to say your opponent has retreated. So if you're playing against me, you see Octavarium and you see the Groot emote come down, you just, you can just take your hands off the the screen cause I'm retreating. I'm gone. I'm out of there.
Cozy Snap:I love it.
Alexander Coccia:And the last question for today comes from Super Cows and it reads, if your kids were to start playing Marvel Snap, which archetypes would you coach them into first, which archetypes would you try to steer them away from?
Cozy Snap:Ooh good question. Honestly, man. Having the most fun possible. So I'd probably say Pixie Stuff or even Mr. Negative is a ton of fun to learn. Hela, I think is just like wild. Dex, they don't, it's not that they don't take skill, not trying to throw shade, but they are just more fun bound and then you also can have things that pop off. in a huge way. So probably one of those just to enjoy the game the most. Yeah,
Alexander Coccia:that's a great point. And for me, anything that like curves properly to teach them about like resource management I think would be really cool, like tempo based stacks. So we don't really have that in Marvel Snap. It's a six turn game. So you don't really see too much of that. I think that Loki would be really cool to teach them because Loki teaches them like, Hey, You don't have all the cards. You don't know what they're doing. Hey, now you have all their cards and you get to see what their strategies look like. And I think it's like a really holistic way of approaching learning the game because like, you're basically playing with all the meta cards all the time. Right. And I still think that Loki should be a new player, like inexpensive bundle they should be selling. If you're going to sell anything, second dinner, So instead of these, these for you bundles where they're spending 60 on Mystiques, give them Loki, give them Loki. Like give a new player Loki. I think that'll be really beneficial. But anyways, I really liked that. That was a great question. And it's funny cause I talked about like my daughter, I've been teaching her how to play you know, Pokemon, we've been playing together with the car game and she's like, dad, I want to open up some more packs. I'm like, daddy can't afford more packs. They're super expensive, but she doesn't care. She just wants to keep tearing packs. You know what the problem is? I got a soft spot. I keep buying packs to my wife's dismay, man. But you know what? It's been great. Cause that we've been playing the actual trading card game, the actual strategy game, and at first I was like letting her win, but now she's actually beating me. That being said, I'm letting her play with a little bit of a better deck right now. Like my deck's and hers is pretty solid, but I'm going to close that gap and I bet you she'll beat me then too, because she's actually getting legit.
Cozy Snap:Dude. Love it, man. Love it. I got to play. Some cars with you in real life, man. Wish we could do it more.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, we definitely have to. And unfortunately, Cozy has a 100 percent win rate against me. He beat me in Star Wars Unlimited and he will just not let me let it down. because you know, listen, I got to play with you again. We, we actually bought some more Kona packs. We didn't even have time to play. Maybe next PAX, Cozy. Maybe next PAX. But guys, thank you so much for joining us this week. We really appreciate you guys. Cozy, I hope you feel better, my man. And everyone else, thank you so much for joining us. And we'll see you on that next Marvel Snapchat episode.
Cozy Snap:Thanks so much for hanging out, and as always, until the next one, happy snapping!