The Snap Chat: Marvel Snap Podcast
U.S. Agent: Why This Card Might Surprise You | Sleeper Picks at Every Cost | Baron Zemo & Red Hulk In Review | The Snap Chat Ep. 75
What archetype can make U.S. Agent shine? What are the new villains of Marvel Snap? What are the final rankings on Baron Zemo and Red Hulk? Join Cozy Snap and Alexander Coccia as they chat about this and more on this episode of The Snap Chat and every week as they discuss all things Marvel Snap.
What archetype can make U.S. Agent shine? What are the new villains of Marvel Snap? What are the final rankings on Baron Zemo and Red Hulk? Join Cozy Snap and Alexander Coccia as they chat about this and more on this episode of The Snap Chat and every week as they discuss all things Marvel Snap.
What's going on, guys? Welcome back. You thought Red Hulk was busted. What about US Agent? Yeah, he's probably going to suck, but we're going to talk about where we think he is going to work, but more importantly, there's one archetype that's really going to shine with the new card. We're also going to be talking about the OTA update, the return of Angela. The end of Thanos. Crossbones finally got buffed. And with that, what other cards are terrible in Snap, and it's their time to get the OTA like Captain America. We're lastly going to be ending on what a lot of people wanted to see from the Snapchat, and that's me and Alex talking about our Sleeper Picks at Every Cost. Cards that People are playing, but they absolutely should be playing more of. We're going to be talking about that all today. More on this episode of the Snapchat. And as always, I'm joined by Mr. Alex Coccia on this fine Monday in April. And is there any reason that you are looking like Cyclops from wish. com?
Alexander Coccia:My man, I'm gonna be staring at the sun today. I cannot wait for the lunar eclipse. Guys, I'm gonna be star I usually just stare at the sun for fun, without the glasses on. But I've been told that wearing the glasses makes the experience much more enjoyable.
Cozy Snap:You look wasted, cause the eyes are like this, so it's like up a little bit. You should the challenge would be to put those on the entire episode. I'm gonna be cause you're in yeah, you're up there in Canada, right? So you're like lining up right with the eclipse.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, we're right in like the totality range as they like to say, sorry, I can't see anything. I don't know. I'm sure where my camera is. This, these things are so dark. I mean, I guess they're designed for staring at
Cozy Snap:the point. I think, yeah, ha ha ha
Alexander Coccia:but I'm actually right in the range of like the total eclipse and like, so our, Like, where I live is starting to, like, balloon with a lot of people, like, coming in and getting hotels and stuff so they can see. And apparently, there's, like, all this shenanigans with, like, hotels, like, cancelling people's bookings to, like, quadruple the charges later and stuff like that. There's, like, all this drama about, like, the eclipse right now where I'm from, so But honestly, I just, I think it's incredible, and I still think that, like, it's a miraculous, one of those, like, universal I don't want to say mysteries, like universal miracles, that like our moon and the sun and like the exact math of like where we are in space and time, they line up ever so perfectly. I don't know, the whole thing's just beautiful, isn't it?
Cozy Snap:Yeah, I mean, first, I didn't realize people travel for that, and I love it. Guys, if you're listening Touch grass today, step outside, look at the, look at the sun while you listen the whole time. I will be traveling as well, but I'm not traveling for the Eclipse. I'm guys, you're gonna see not a lot of content this week on my channel. I'm taking my first vacation, man, ever, since not only having my son, but also just being a content creator. I've not taken, like, a true day. I've left, but that was for, like, work trips. I'm going on a cruise, man. But anyway, we do you want to keep those on? You want to you can, you can rock them. You want to, you want to take a second to put the other glasses on?
Alexander Coccia:I need to take these off. I can't see anything. I can almost now see my own eyes reflected in them, which is really weird. I can see myself blinking. I gotta take these off. And ironically, they're actually not from the lunar eclipse. I've had these for 10, no, 12 years. These are from the transit of Venus. It says right here on them somewhere. It's from the transit of Venus that occurred in on June 5th. 2012.
Cozy Snap:See, that is, this is my only issue with the Eclipse thing. Can I say, I feel like they're always like, this is the first one in 50 years or 100 years, or this one was back in 2017. And like, this is it! But there's another, this time, how many of these are we going to have and how many are, I feel like it's the glasses companies that are making it. It's all a scam.
Alexander Coccia:So you think that like the eclipses are being fabricated by these like dollar store glass companies?
Cozy Snap:I mean, not really, but kind of the, like, it's the last time in a hundred, a hundred years, but it could happen seven years later, eight years later.
Alexander Coccia:Whoa. Are you suggesting that the optics companies are creating clickbait content? Regarding eclipses.
Cozy Snap:They are, they make great YouTubers, huh?
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, man. This eclipse is busted. Top 10 eclipses of the week.
Cozy Snap:I think we should, we should flip the top 10 eclipses of all time. Dude, that, that'd get a lot of views. I feel like should we talk about Marvel Snap now? Is that, is it that time of the, podcast?
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, I think it's about time we talk about that.
Cozy Snap:Okay, well, let's get right to it, buddy. We got ourselves a, I would say, a pretty good week because we had the OTA. We'll be talking about that here today, but we also got the balance patch. Every now and then, like the Eclipse, things line up and we just get a bang, bang, bang. And we've got ourselves the balance patch coming up. We've got ourselves probably we need the patch because we got ourselves a, a more lackluster card instead of getting hyped about it. We're talking about why maybe he won't suck or will he just suck. And so we're coming off a week of two crazy, fun, good cards, buddy. But That's what we're doing over here. What are we talking about on your side of the Snapchat?
Alexander Coccia:Cozy, on my side of the Snapchat, we'll be talking about Baron, Zemo, and Red Hulk, giving our reviews and our impressions after this first week of trials. We'll also be talking about the new villains of Marvel Snap, which are the cards that are tilting people out the most. And as always, we'll also be doing our Snapchat mailbag.
Cozy Snap:Well, let's go and let's hop into it, man. We got a lot to break down today, especially with the OTA review and the patch and whatnot. US Agent! U. S. Agent. I want to start with this. Obviously, he's not a great, great card. Now, I guess I'll read it out. He's a 2 cost, 3 power card. For those that don't know, his ability Now, now, take a second here, guys. Collect yourselves. The overpowered ongoing 4, cost cards here have negative 3 power. And my friend, I want to start with this. He might be bad, but I think the crime here is, is he better than Captain America? And how screwed is that?
Alexander Coccia:If he's better than Captain America, everything's gone to S.H.I.T. Like there's no way that he's actually better than Cap. Cause at least Cap can control the effect, but at the same time, he is a two cost. He's a two, three. So technically a premium stat line for the cost. Cap is underneath. The premium style line. Oh man, I hate the question. I don't want to answer it.
Cozy Snap:Well, we're going to talk about that in the second subject. I just thought that'd be a fun way to kick it out. The character that's not supposed to be capped is better than ca like, for as good as they do with Marvel synergy and lore, they good God. But let's go and talk about them. First of all, guys, we have the spotlight caches. It's going to be Mirage, who I think a lot of people forget is in the game. And then we've got Jeffrey. The Baby Landshark, obviously Jeff is still a good card. I'll pass it to you, I think last week you gave him a 1? A 1. You didn't even give him a 1 point, just a 1 star. Are we at the same spot now?
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, I gave him a 1 star, I think that sticks. Yeah, like I've been trying to like, listen. For this conversation, I had, like, the amount of medical grade hopium, as Cozy said last week, I've been huffing, is intense, and I tried to come up with, like, lines and stuff like that, like, I want to be wrong. For the record, every time I'm like, yo, this is a one star car, I want to be wrong, because that means we got a car that's more engaging than expected. That's a good thing, okay? But I don't think I'm wrong here. I don't think this is a good card. And it could, there's a couple different reasons. One, you can use it offensively to pull cards like a Magneto under Shawn Chi by the way, which is kind of interesting. Is that cool? I don't know, like if you're, if you're ramping something out that you don't want to get punched out by Shawn Chi, like a Magneto would be safe. Okay. Is that, and Cozy, is that, am I really huffing now?
Cozy Snap:I don't think you're going to be wildly off here with a one star rating. I wanted to spin today. I think we could all agree, guys. This is going to be your safe week. I think not even almost everybody, because he's a series five on top of that. I would say, unless you're creating content for Marvel Snap, or you're the biggest US agent fan of all time, which is all like one of you guys, which, what are you doing with your life? Just skip the card, skip the card. Jeff, he's going to come again. He has a million variants. You can skip the card safely. What we're going to try to do today, though, is talk about what you can use him in and where he might shine in the future. Because first of all, he might get a buff, because all, you know, cra cards do. I almost broke while I, we're both almost cussing because there's no other way. Cra doesn't do it, almost, for this guy. Doesn't do it. We gotta go with a full, The full s t. But anyway, where he might shine. So first of all, man we didn't get a lot of heat from last episode of like, how dare you? He's such a good card. Most people agree he's not great. I, I don't know what to give him. I want to say probably just a one star as well, but I'm like, could I convince myself of a two star? Like, what's a two star card in your head? Give me one off the, off the rip.
Alexander Coccia:Like an example of a two star card? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Iron Fist.
Cozy Snap:eh What is Iron Heart?
Alexander Coccia:Oh, Iron Heart is better than that because of the combo potential. Iron Heart has 5 star moments. Okay. But Iron Fist never has 5 star moments. Is Hercules a 2 star card? Oh, now it is with the buff probably, yeah.
Cozy Snap:Okay. So maybe, maybe this is like, could this be Hercules level? Yeah, maybe. So this is terrible. Yeah, I know. And he got the fastest buff. Maybe this will come right around with it too. Either way, let's go to talk about where I do see this thing, you know, fitting in. I think it was a two, two, which was going to be nice because you could have like some, at least Cerebro two synergy, I guess, because that makes sense. You've got a lot of low cost cards. That's kind of where it was going to have its best role. Then they just gave everything plus one power from that patch. Don't really know why. I think if you could get this thing to work. Or if you want to buy this card. First of all, we talked about it last time. Iron Man Tribunal. It is going to be a counter to that if anything gets too crazy. Or just Iron Man. I think if Iron Man ever got out of control, like, he's a really good way to just, you know, nip that in the bud. But dude, I think I've been playing a deck a lot again. The Return of Angela, which we'll talk about on the next subject. But man, I've been playing Sera. The, the old classic Sarah again. This could, because clearly he is not a, he's a turn six card, right? He's a turn six card without priority. Essentially, like, it's just bad. I mean, you don't really want to play him all that much. But I do see him having some former use in that Sarah list that has, like, Lizard, Luke Cage, and this guy right here. Because you could swing him to be like a 1 6.
Alexander Coccia:I'm in shambles. You said the only line I had. Is that the main thing? Okay. The only thing I had, man. I'm in complete shambles now. But no, you are right. Like, honestly, because with Sari, it goes down to a one cost. At that point, the board is somewhat established. You're able to somewhat predict where they're likely to play. And so maybe, just maybe, you can find a spot for him. That is the only real thing. So I'm glad you bring it up because I think you're correct.
Cozy Snap:I mean, truly, and it's, I don't even think it's that copium because you're only playing Sarah as your five, right? For the most part. You're only playing Sarah. So long as you don't play Sarah where they played their five drop that same turn, then you definitely have at the minimum a two, a one six, which is killer. We're going to take that. That's the Maximus play. Awesome. Potentially one nine. You could even go crazier and potentially even more than that. If they got a lot of four cuts. So I do see him in a Sarah list. Which happens to be on the rise right now because of Angela, I can see him working in that. Lizard has always been great in those decks, easily 2 5. And then you have the Luke Cage in there as well, potentially, if you want that little bit of, you know, safety and padding. So I do think there's something, at least in that regard, and you've got the countering. I don't know. I, I don't know. And you know what else I like in Luke Cage? I almost made a video on it. I went a different route with it. The old Sarah Shadow list, too. They're harder, but you have Shadow King in there, who's just a monster at the moment in Snap. But then you have the Luke Cage as the added protection, right? You have the Luke Cage, if you, you know, Shadow King, you're Angela, you're, you're safe. You're gonna be okay there. You I think there's gonna be something there, bud. And so, maybe that's his only use, yeah?
Alexander Coccia:You know, it's funny how you mention Lizard, right? Because this was a card I was thinking about a lot. Lizard used to be one of the absolute top cards in Marvel Snap. Repeatedly played non stop. Second inner called the Nerf to Lizard, one of the most inconsequential changes they've ever made. And I don't you remember that patch note? And we laughed about it on the Snapchat. It killed Lizard! It killed Lizard. To the point you really only play him in Sauron decks? And you only play him with Luke Cage. And so I was thinking about Lizard, and I was thinking about US Agent, because I did think that like, okay, maybe we find some Luke Cage action here, of course, right? Because you could theoretically do like, Luke Cage, obviously with Man Thing, and do some other debuffs based stuff. And then I was thinking to myself, you know what? Technically, if he hits one card, hits one card, he's a 2 6, right? That's actually pretty decent stats. But isn't it interesting that reading this card, it doesn't feel like that's enough, considering how high impact a lot of the twos are. Think about what Angela's doing right now. I'd rather have Angela than US Agent. Plus, it's in your hands.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, but I think if you play him on that last drop, right, and you play him alongside, and I think about this turn, you're playing with Maximus, you play him with, you know, throw in a couple of the other two drops, Lizard, so right now we're at, what, 11 power for two? For 2Energy, you play him down with the potential to be a 1 9. Like, a true potential to be a 1 9. Two cards is not out of the question, man. Not even close. They he actually might super excel in those decks. Like, I truly no copium. We, we, we talked about how bad he is. And still, that's why I guess I'll give him the 2 star. Because I'll give a card a 2 star, like Hercules, if they work in a, in something. At least one thing. But then we don't want to give it any higher than that, because then what happens? That's the only place you can play it, and there's not a lot of room for design there. The more we look at these 2 drops that are getting better and better, and we can go ahead and pull them up now. The more we look at some of these 2 drops, the more this kind of makes sense, right? You can even get Gladiator in there, we've seen that before. But yeah, we've got some higher stated 2 cast cards now. I don't know, maybe US Agent does find his home. It, it's gonna be The only place that I see him. I also think, Alex, tell me this though, okay, and I don't know if this is going to be in the Sarah build, I guess it would have to be, but you could also theoretically pair this guy up with Goose, right? So you have a Goose lane, and then you have in that lane do its thing. You don't put them in the Goose lane, but you know they can't put the six cost cards, four or five in it. So then you have a bit better of an idea of where to play.
Alexander Coccia:Wow, good shout out. I actually didn't think of Goose. Bringing up our favorite is it a Flerken? Is that what it's called? A Flerken?
Cozy Snap:A Flerken, yeah, the Flerken. I think, I mean, this is the only card that you can control where they put stuff. So I guess if you, I guess you could almost just do Storm as well. I guess you could really create a space where they have to play in a certain lane. At that point, you're probably committing too much. I think you'd have to go with one or the other, but I think Goose with like an Ant Man lane, it could cook up a little bit.
Alexander Coccia:Okay, that's actually pretty interesting. That's what you're saying is basically restrict where they can play their four, fives, and sixes, forcing them into a location that allows you to get maximum effect off of the the USC agent. I do like that. That's pretty cool. I like that. And you could theoretically goose and storm on curve. Turn four, you can even do something as simple as like a JJ in the storm location.
Cozy Snap:Well, and what are we trying to do in Saradex too? We're not trying to put, like, you're catching up last. Like, you're doing things later on, right? And so it's like I, I don't know, I feel like, you, you think Shang Chi's still gonna be in there, but maybe you just go the Shadow King route instead? And maybe you just go like, Shadow and Rogue? Something like that, right? You would avoid Enchantress and Shang. You go Shadow and Rogue, and then yeah, you've got Goose, and then you're just kind of waiting to play Sarah down. Now, the problem with those decks is you have to have an alternative if you don't get Sarah. Like, it, it could really, you know, hurt if you don't get her, but I see a world, I do see a world where this will make sense.
Alexander Coccia:I had this other thought too, like talking about synergistic cards and like, it's a shame because it doesn't quite get all the way there, but like, you could make the argument that maybe even like Magneto could be interesting because at least it buffs half of the cards that Magneto might pull, but then again, it's like, okay, if you're going to be doing that, should you not be playing Craven? Should you not be playing Kingpin? Should you not be playing something else? So like it has that factor. Another thing I want to mention too, is while we're talking about synergistic cards is it is an ongoing and we actually lack a lot of like inexpensive ongoing cards. And every time we add an ongoing inexpensive card, it's a low key buff to spectrum because spectrum is two plus power that comes across the board. Disproportionately benefits. Smaller cards because Ant Man gets plus two and no more still gets plus two So the more smaller cards you put on the board the more impactful in theory Spectrums buff is because you're hitting more pieces at once
Cozy Snap:and keep in mind Luke Cage, right? He's on going so then BAM you're fine there You can then just kind of go the route you want to go with and then you have the you know As we've seen all competitive decks now, you have the two win conditions per se so Yeah, I mean, there's definitely a place there, and I also think he's a unique kind of release valve, as you like to say, against things like Valkyrie. Completely kills her. Like, she, wreck her, because she definitely, you know, gets rid of the three on her side, or on the Valkyrie. Dr. Doom, just in general, you're gonna, you're gonna hit one. One of those is gonna be right. You're gonna be taking him down, at least to what? A 6 12, which is, you know, I mean, hey, I don't know, the more we talk about it, have you convinced yourself to go to 2 or are you more on the 1. 5 or 1 range here?
Alexander Coccia:I still feel like he's not gonna be like, a meta penetrating card. Like, I just don't think he's gonna be like, a card that people are gonna be clamoring for, or like you know, resenting that they didn't pick up or anything. I think it'll need a buff, I can see this going to 2 4 before, like, you know, that Colleen Wing style, where like, you know, that's actually pretty decent stats, and then like, you start to think about it. The thing that really holds down my willingness to go higher than one or two. And I'm going to say, I'm going to stay at one. That's what I said. I'm going to stay there is I kind of went through my head. I did this practice of, okay, who, what kind of meta decks right now really care about this kind of card? I'll tell you right now. Red Hulk. Don't care. Right. Red Hawk do not care about negative three power. Does, does like discard care? Like does apocalypse care? No. Does Dracula care? Yeah, not really. What about destroy? Does destroy ever care about these, these negative debuffs? Like when is, when is death being really impacted by this? Right? Like, it's like, it's one of those things where like, I kept going through like, okay, well like Deadpool doesn't care. Venom doesn't care. Okay. That doesn't solve that issue. I just didn't see how, like the way the meta is right now. Everything can change on Tuesday, right? Everything could change on Tuesday. But as of right now, I just, I don't see the answer. I don't know why this card, I don't the card exists, but I don't know what answer it's providing in the meta.
Cozy Snap:The only thing I can think of there is Sarah, because if you look at the Sarah list is what we said, because like, yeah, you talk about those. Okay. But then. Shadow King answers those decks. Venom's done, alright? Death is tougher, but, you know, completely okay. Red Hulk, man, you hit him with 2 energy, that's all it takes, and you hit him with a Shadow King followed by this guy. You put that Red Hulk from a 23 30 power card, down to an 8 power card. Like that.
Alexander Coccia:But then you accidentally float energy and it pops up by four on you.
Cozy Snap:Nah, dude, if you're floating energy on a serendipity, then you're doing something wrong. But yeah, I mean, maybe, I don't know, but yeah. So again, I am I like playing devil's advocate at times, right, as you do, and looking at the, okay, where does it work? I agree, this card's not going to be that great, especially. Most of these cards, they don't care. Because if you don't have a Shadow King, you're done. If that's your own game plan, you're done. And really, my point to why I don't think it works is like, we like Man Thing. He's fun. He's cool. It's cool to say that we have a Man Thing deck every now and then. But ultimately, when he came out, what was the biggest thing we found out? Well, he's great. He's cool. But if you don't get Luke Cage and you draw, he's too risky. And we just don't like risky plays. That's why Titania, risky just doesn't go with Snap. People even looked at Nico and said, is she too risky? And she has written to nothing but Upside at the time, right? But, that's my issue. We've seen these give and take cards, and unless it's something like Gladiator, which, until he was even a 3 8, people were still like, eh, it's pretty risky, you know? That, that's my problem. I feel like the risky cards, the Guardians of the Galaxy, him, Man Thing, they really need to be overstatted to make up for what that risk is, you know?
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, there's a lack of risk and reward, right? Like, you just, you kind of lack that. Now, there is one thing that I'm really hoping for for US Agent, and again, A lot can change coming up with this patch. Hopefully, U. S. Agent, this has got to be the opportunity for Captain America rework. This has to be the opportunity. Like, it has to be the moment where they're like, We're releasing U. S. Agent. We need to look at Cap. We got a patch, same day, we gotta do it.
Cozy Snap:We're gonna flip flop it a little bit instead of OTA review and then the worst cards left. Let's just go right into that. The worst cards left, right? So, essentially, I want you to give me your top three. Like, we just saw our boy Crossbones. He finally did it. He finally transcended up to a 410. Beautiful thing. He's not a 4A, he's a 410. Kinda sucks for the, you know, what I liked about him, the Shang Chi thing. But besides that, it's like, hey, awesome. We finally got a card. That has risen up in value. That was a dead card in a meme for a long time, right? For those that saw the video, The As Avengers, he was a key part of that deck, and he's, he's cut from the team. He's cut from the team now. He's too good. Let's talk about the other cards now, because there's not too many left, but I would say give me like your top three. And we can both start with Cap, because I think at this point, right, Alex? What else is there to say? Spider Man, he got his thing. They even said, like, you know, they even addressed, like, Spider Man's an iconic card, right? Like, he's an iconic card. What are we waiting for at this point? If he doesn't get buffed this Tuesday, I just don't know, like, what we're waiting for to bring Cap justice. Why is Crossbones, why are these other cards getting their time in the sun, and we don't have Steve Rogers? Cheers.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, it's kind of crazy. And like, I think that if they were just going to do it, like a one point power buff, they'd have done it already. I think they're probably looking at doing something a little different. Cause in like, honestly, this ongoing effect is not bad. It deserves to be in Marvel snap on some card. Maybe it's just not Captain America, or maybe it just needs to be something a little different. You know what I mean?
Cozy Snap:But we, I feel like we've been saying that for so long. Like if they're going to do it, it's going to be something. In fact, I can tell you for sure. We've been saying that for at least like a year. Like, if they're gonna do it, and we talked about the SHIELD thing, and we talked about all the cool things they can do with it, I just feel like it's a miss. Like, I just feel like I don't understand, at this point, if US Agent is better than the real cap, it's just bad. It's just mis there's a flavor miss there by a mile. And I think, like, he's both of our number ones, no?
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, no, a hundred percent he has to be. He has to be. I mean, I have one that's a little higher for me personally than Cap. Do you want me to get into it? Cause this is, I got, I got some words to say.
Cozy Snap:Let's go to three and then go off. Well, we'll save it, save it, save it, save it for one. Save, save your one. I can tell it's an Alex choice. If you, you know, they have like the death pick cards now and the Alex choice cards have their own thing. Okay. Number three. What is the third one of the most cards that suck that deserve to be good?
Alexander Coccia:Alright, this is a bit of a reach, cause like, it's not completely terrible, but I have memories of what this card used to be. I want to take a moment to talk about Werewolf by Night.
Cozy Snap:Oh, okay, that's a good pick. Cause I feel
Alexander Coccia:like this is a really awesome card that does something really unique in Marvel Snap, that just fell off the face of the earth. Cozy, when was the last time you saw Werewolf by Night?
Cozy Snap:Dude, does he have five cards now? What the hell does he
Alexander Coccia:even cost? Exactly. He's a four cost. Right? Like, but really, like, this is one of the coolest cards in Snap that has just disappeared. Is that, has it just fallen out of flavor? Like, is it not, I, I just, I think it's, I think it needs something.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, I think what this might be able to get, it was a little much at the time. Like, November, December, this thing was ridiculous. And people were just doing like the Annihilus package with this, but I feel like just as they brought back Captain Marvel and Angela because the, because like the power has settled in a little bit, they could do that here as well a little bit, especially because of just the other tweaks that they've made around. Yeah, I think something should change with him. I do think they should bring him back in some capacity, even if it's like a full, like, rework on how he does gain that power, whatever it is. I get it. What a cool card, man. Like, I love that he could move around and he had, like, a lot. It's funny, something as simple as Angela is such a cool card. And I think Werewolf by Night is kind of the same. It's just a fun, unique thing and it's nowhere to be found.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, and the other thing about it too is like, they changed Beast significantly, right? Beast got nerfed. It's no longer like a permanent kind of discount. It's a next turn discount, right? Remember? And so that actually has a really negative impact on the Werewolf by Night style decks because they used to really take advantage of the Beasts and the Falcons and playing the things for free over and over and over again. The other thing I was thinking about is if you're playing this tied up type of balance Werewolf type deck, this is an iconic card for that archetype. And like, sometimes you need a card to be just Slightly good for that archetype. The way Cyclops is really good for Evo, like, if you, if you just make, like, Cyclops not great, then that whole deck kind of feels like it loses identity a little bit, right? And so with Werewolf by Night, they made it so mid, that that whole deck archetype lost its identity, and this card became completely forgotten. That's why I wanted to talk about it today.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, that's, dude, I like that, and I, you know what, maybe this will fill the void of the one that you were going to talk about, because we'll stay in the forecast, because, Now the crossbones fixed up. When I was drafting for the Asvengers, man, I was on four, and I'm like, oh man, most of these have use. Most of them, right? Like, even something Tuma, you could say that. We brought it brought her up before. Yeah, I think this is the time we bring up White Queen. I think White Queen is, yeah, okay, so it's your number two. Alright, I'll let you get that to two. I'll go to my other pick here on the four slot. This was a card that I think is kind of in the same area as Werewolf. I don't think it's as bad as people think, but it could be better. Remember for that brief period we had the 4 7 Stegron? Yeah, what was with that? Right, and I don't know if, like, there are cards like Rhino that I think just should be like a 3 4. Like, you know, just give it a little bit of extra boost and then, you know, okay, makes a bit more sense. Stegron, I don't know if he's just a power point up, I think that might be fine. Maybe you give him some diversification from the other ones that kind of do this and you do, like, move the highest enemy power card. Then he's amazing, he's much better, right? Or move the lowest, at least we know what's going on here a bit. You Stegron, though, was like the shining star of that deck. He can really do some good I mean, he can truly clog and and and throw your opponent off. If you don't have priority and there's an empty lane, like, you know you're gonna win most of the time. If they're only playing one card, like Red Hulk, whatever that might be. I think he's close, like Werewolf by night, but I think he does need a little bit of love. And I I think Stegron is a card that people Like to play that you just sucked.
Alexander Coccia:He's understated for an ability that's underwhelming is exactly what it is. It's just that simple, right? An ability that's a little underwhelming needs the stats to make it worth playing. And he just doesn't have that. Right. And it's similar to what like is happening with white queen, like white queen used to be member during beta. The four, six style item, white queen almost felt good to play, but we've added so many four drops that just like. Call Obsidian, like, think about it, it's not even close, and why play White Queen when you can just play Loki and copy their whole deck? No, and White,
Cozy Snap:no, White Queen was like, in like, the leader control deck, she was in that and I'm not saying all the builds, but she was just a great on curve play. And yeah, that 4 6 felt fantastic, but at this point, I'll take an iron lot, get the same stats, and then have a chance to just win the game. You know, she's not gonna win you the game. And maybe it's an effect a little bit of like, people know Dex more, they don't need to copy the highest card, whatever it is. I it's like, but do you just give her the Mirage plus two on their highest card? Like, what do you do here?
Alexander Coccia:I think she just needs more power, honestly. It's funny you mention that, because like, we play so much Snap. That it's come to a point where, like, I, in Conquest, or even in a regular game, I can almost, with, like, 95 percent certainty, guess the deck and the deck makeup of my opponent based off, like, the first card they play. Like, almost, you know what I mean? Like, you almost know right off the bat. So, you're right. I know they have Knull, like, you know what I mean? I know that they have, you know, Magneto, or they, I know they have Doom, or I know that, like, you know those things, so, like, copying the card, the scouting doesn't help that much.
Cozy Snap:What if she was a 5 cost, okay? Give her a little bit more power. She steals, and I think it has to be 5 for this to make sense for the risk. She steals from their hand their highest cost card.
Alexander Coccia:That's awesome. Isn't that freaking awesome? Like a 5 7 to start? 5 7, 5 8?
Cozy Snap:Like a 5 7 and you're gambling a little bit because they could have nothing, right? But if you know you're playing a destroyed deck and you're like, dude, they've got that Knull. They have that Knull. You play her down. She's a little understated. And you just take that card right from them. And dude, that'd be such a fun card to
Alexander Coccia:play too. That'd actually be cracked at five, seven. That's probably like a five. It's
Cozy Snap:a little overstated.
Alexander Coccia:Five, four, even less because like, cause you're, you're, you get to play their card probably.
Cozy Snap:Yeah. You tip, but it's a risk, dude. Cause like, think about it. You don't know if they have it. They could have dumpster in their hand. It's maybe the stats aren't perfect, but I think that ability is quite fitting for what she could do and would be strong and would be different than what this is.
Alexander Coccia:I like the flavor. Like, no question. I like where you're at. Okay.
Cozy Snap:Okay. Fair enough. So she's, she's your number two. My number two, again, I was looking at a lot of them, and I don't, I don't know where this lands on your list, but again, I think people are just riding the Copium train, and, and he's been on many thumbnails before. This is another, I think we're at the point where he's out of the two cost slot, right? I think he's, he can leave that slot and like, give him the Adam Warlock. I mean, not, not, like, don't, please God, don't make him like Adam Warlock is now. But like, remove, to put him to five costs and let's really experiment with this guy. Do you, I, even if his ability was the exact freaking same. But he just was beefier. I'm good with it.
Alexander Coccia:He should be a 1 3. Make him a 1 3. Same ability.
Cozy Snap:Okay. Yeah, but ah, that doesn't feel like Colossus to me. Like, what if he was like a 5 What's a power number for 5? Like, 5
Alexander Coccia:8's like your baseline, right?
Cozy Snap:5 8, but it can't be destroyed, which it usually couldn't anyway. Moved or power reduced? That's pretty sweet.
Alexander Coccia:So we're nerfing Cannonball by association?
Cozy Snap:Yeah, kind of. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's Colossus. I don't think people are going to complain too much about it. I don't know. I think this could definitely This is one on my list on the iconic feature. He's iconic. He's just an iconic card. Deserves to be a lot better than he is. And it's a shame that he was even drafted to the worst cards in Snapdeck. I hate it. I hate it. I can't stand it. I can't say it almost as much as I already know what your number one's going to be. Like I have a gut feeling. Okay.
Alexander Coccia:Do you know that Colossus is the brother of magic?
Cozy Snap:Hey, look at you, man. You, you've become a little Marvel butterfly. I feel like you're, I, you like back in like when we started, you would've been like, did you know that Colossus is an X Men and now look at, did
Alexander Coccia:you know that I didn't realize that War Machine and Iron Man were two different people for like the first six months of Marvel Snap?
Cozy Snap:Oh boy.
Alexander Coccia:What do you mean? Did you not watch the movies at all? No, I was just, I'm recently catching up with the movies, man. I was like, who the hell is this Greg? I thought it was just the original Iron Man suit and Greg. Do you know the first Iron Man? How he's like with, like he's learning how to fly and he's going across his garage? I thought that was War Machine. He just called it War Machine because I don't know why.
Cozy Snap:Oh my god, I, see, I a lot of people like, you know, what keeps you in love with, like, I'm just a Marvel fan, so I think, like, that's part of the excitement for me. Speaking of, dude, did you see Iron Man in that new game coming out soon? I think it's the alpha, the Marvel Rivals. Yeah, the game looks pretty cool, actually, doesn't it? Dude, it is my two loves, right? So, like, you take Marvel, and you take Overwatch, which I have as one of my favorite games of all time, and you're putting, you're putting it together. There's a couple of things that I'm like, eh, we'll have to see how it works out, ultimately. But it's in alpha, and they've got a lot of chances to, to really make, dude, I like, are you, I'm pumped, I'm, I'm, I'm definitely down to play.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, oh, I'm 100 percent down to play, like, we, we have to play, and the other thing about it though is like, hey, when I played Overwatch, I was a Mercy main, I liked being the one that allowed the good players to be good. That's what I want to do. I want to be the support specialist. I feel so rewarded doing that. Even in like MOBAs, I played support classes. Like Dota 2, I'm a support player. In Heroes of the Storm, I was a support player. I'm always about letting the stars shine. And I feel like if this game can allow me to do that, I'm gonna love it. Because I'm all in on like the lore. I'm all in on the characters.
Cozy Snap:I mean, it's the perfect concept. And how cool if like you're a support character, you can be like Like, that in the Marvel world is really cool, and I hope he's not, but like, let's say Doctor Strange, like, all of a sudden, you're a support that's Doctor Stra like, really cool. When I was doing these hero games a ton, I was either like, oh, man, I love being the the prime DPS, like, putting in the sweat, being like, I you know, I'll I'll take the the heat or the glory, right? Either one. Or, the role that nobody wanted to play, which was Tankalot, I always liked that. But like, dude, Colossus Tank over here, Magneto being a dude, it's just, the, the, the makeup of it is probably gonna be the next game I cover, if I had to guess.
Alexander Coccia:Buddy, that sounds perfect. Like, I, I, we, we have to. Are we doing the the Marvel Rivals cast?
Cozy Snap:Oh dude, yeah, we'll have to. The the hey, comment down below what do we, what do we call the, the next podcast of the, dude, I think we could do it, man. We could talk about zoo animals on that too and then every now and then I guess, you know. I'll give her a take on that. You have to bring up the zoo
Alexander Coccia:animals all the time. Hey, Marvel the actual official Marvel Marvel Snap Twitter tweeted our thing about the elephants. The zoo,
Cozy Snap:I know, I saw that, I'm like, oh my gosh. I dude, so speaking of like, the roster is pretty deft on that game. Like, there's a lot, there's a lot to it. But my, like, dude, what character would you want to play as the most in that type of a game?
Alexander Coccia:Magic. Oh, she's there?
Cozy Snap:She's there?
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, I know she's there. I saw it, I got hyped up because, like, listen, I've always This, by the way, this sounds like an ad read. I swear it's not. We're just actually excited. No, it's, yeah, she's I've been playing the I keep forgetting the name. The one with the car game Midnight Suns. I've been playing Midnight Suns, like, it's been months and months, like, I That's how little I get to play games. Magic's my favorite character in that game, by far. And so, like, I've totally started to, like, Follow up with magic, the story, Limbo, Mephisto, that whole thing. I'm trying to like find the comics. I'm reading comics about the runaways because of Nico and everything. I'm all in. And so, yeah, I would a hundred percent love to play some magic in there. I'm not even sure she's a support though.
Cozy Snap:I, yeah, I don't, I, I don't know the role. I haven't looked in enough. I'm going to let it I'm sure they'll change it by the alpha. Dude, what I think they did good, which I wish Snap would have done is like Bruce Banner is separate from the Hulk or he's the same character and then you build up Or like Loki can just clone other people. Like. Dude, that kind of stuff, the flavor is, is perfect. I think if they did Wolverine, really, like if they made Wolverine kind of like Genji, I'm in. Like that, or even like Moon Knight, man. Like we don't get to play with Moon Knight in this game. Like you get, I think there's some really cool Chances for them to make some stupid cool, you know, they've got the template. They just have to execute it right. And not make it too fricking microtransaction and all that stuff. I think it's Nettie's that does it. I don't know. They, they don't have the best track record. So we'll we'll have to see either way though. I'm pumped about it, buddy. I just had to bring it up. And then, yeah, number one for me was cap. Who is your, who is this Alex take?
Alexander Coccia:You know, exactly who it is. This is what I'm going to say. Cape. Here it is. Glenn Jones, I'm challenging you. Glasses are coming off. I am gonna stare at the sun until ATU gets a proper buff.'cause this card has languished for too long.
Cozy Snap:I honestly gave it a 50 50 shot if it was in Baku Atu. I, I didn't know. I didn't know who you were gonna pick also. Goodbye. Your, your, your eyesight watsu. You're gonna be looking like wato. Your eyes will look like wa two's eyes once you look into the sun. Dude, they're just crisp. They're done. Bro, I was playing Wattu, I was playing him the other day in my deck, and like, it's just so silly you can't see the second location. It's so silly, bro. Like, bro, I was playing a game and I was like, oh, okay, there's like, you know Tinker's Workshop, their location. And then the middle was like, freaking Black Castle, whatever, the one where you get the plus one each turn. I'm like, dude, that would have been great. Wattu, you couldn't see that? Then the classic I see you all. But he doesn't. What do they do with him? Just let you see them all?
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, he's a 1 45. Let's see if he's in the right location. And not good enough. He started cheating no one plays him.
Cozy Snap:Not good enough. I
Alexander Coccia:don't want to pretend like I know the answer. Like, there's probably a reason why they don't want to reveal the middle location. Maybe they don't want locations during hot locations to be completely like frivolous or something, right? But then again, if you're adding Uatu to a 12 card deck and he's bad, even if you make him 1 1 and give all the locations, it's probably still he never sees play, right? I don't know if it's a power problem. I like the idea of what he does. I don't like how he's implemented right now, though. He just feels awful all the way around. Like, he feels like a card that's unplayable.
Cozy Snap:I don't think they have a good fix for him, too. I guess if they, I don't know, man. If they let you see all three locations, I think that's decent. You'll have his very niche places. Yeah, Adam Warlock, I guess, is the other one outside of Cat for me. Try to make him work. He's horrible. There's no way to make him better. This is just Just honestly, at this point, scrap the concept. Like, I think you just, you just try to make something new on them. I, I don't like it. It's just sucks.
Alexander Coccia:So disappointed in you, Cozy. Didn't you do your research? Adam Warlock's been buffed twice already.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, I know. Wattu. Dude, I think Wattu's got a couple of buffs under his head too, you know? But anyway, these are the worst cards that me and Alex both want to get love. Let's talk about the OTA review though. Go to that real quick. I mean, we've got to start with the return of Angela. My God. Oh my god, it feels like we're home!
Alexander Coccia:Feels like we're home. She's back, 100%.
Cozy Snap:My good gosh, she was so bad at her last state, and It's cool, man, because this buffed a lot of cards, man. This buffed Bast, this buffed all the movement package, obviously. Ravonna, I mean, you got a good little mix in here. Sarah, even to a, to a degree. And it's funny, because 2 8 is really the, the map, which is crazy, but that's really what you're getting into if you're going crazy. Oh, I just love her. She's just better in the game.
Alexander Coccia:Imagine being excited about US Agent when you can be excited about Angela. I know. Day
Cozy Snap:1 free card.
Alexander Coccia:Oh yeah, and don't forget, this is a card that everyone has. Literally, pretty much everyone has. And so, like, this is a beautiful buff. I'm so glad they brought it back. Because it's taken them a while to get here. They had to change Elsa to a 3 cost, which feels fine. It feels fine, right? Like, it's obviously not what it used to be, but at least it feels reasonable. It feels fair. It's fair. And that archetype needs something, like the Cyclops we were talking about before. It needs something, and maybe Angela is what you need. Because Kitty Pryde's back and forth doesn't do much. Hope Summers helps, Angela helps, now you have all that added utility. Suddenly those decks make sense again, and they can be playable.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, and again, it's the same with Captain Marvel. They're bringing these cards back. Like there's a, there's a deck I highlighted Spider Control, and it was from like August after the Captain Marvel thing, and I got to play for four days. Because they killed Captain Marvel, like, shortly after that, and it was exactly what you think it is, the Angel Package, Captain Marvel, all that good stuff, right? But it's, like, great! I got to play that, and it didn't feel overpow when I was playing it back then, I'm like, dude, I'm just sweeping people, like, there's so many other ways to win now. And so, it does, it feels like they could bring her back, and it'll be cool if they could revisit some other cards, right? Like this. That, that, like, that they could bring back to its original state, maybe Black Bolt Statue, things like that.
Alexander Coccia:It's funny because like I think that Black Bolt stature often gets brought up about needing additional power, but let's not forget that when Black Bolt and stature were literally staples of the meta, the meta felt awful when your cards were being discarded the entire time. But that's also kind of, what's interesting about Black Bolt 2 is that Like, he was being offset by the fact you were often discarding rocks because of the way those decks were designed at the time, around Darkhawk and etc. But now, if you're not discarding rocks, you're discarding core pieces of your deck, things start to feel a little worse. But I do like what you're saying though. There are so many cards in Marvel Snack, Snack of Marvel Snack. Man, that is a great, like kind of like side project for them. But there's There's so many cards in Marvel Snap that could use a little bit of love. And I feel like the development team is getting better at this. Like we're seeing these small incremental improvements to cards that traditionally have not seen playing, they're getting some love again. But at the same time, I kind of thought about, I had this shower thought about Power Creep. And how, like, White Queen used to be a good card, power wise. And then you have Cull Obsidian, now Angela at the 2 cost, and all of these things happening. I wonder if, like, are the numbers just getting too big?
Cozy Snap:Well, they're raising them, right? I mean, like, look at, I mean, now, this is, like, the card that nobody cares about. But Sabretooth, right? They brought him up to a 3 5. I don't think it's gonna do much for his playability. But, like, they brought him up because they realized, like, 5s can start going up more. They can 3 costs can start going up more. Twos, they're close. I think they almost have the two bracket like refined enough. And then I think they're, they're still working on, on five, but yeah. Crossbones to me, them doing crossbones, that justice felt like, okay, at least they're discussing the power creep a bit more, there's still cards that we just talked about that definitely they need it. Right. I'm, I'm not on the camp of like, there's some cards are going to suck. I don't know. I listen, you can have your Quicksilver, but like, I think there's some other ones outside of that. Meek, Sabertooth, it affected them, but not crazy. But Thanos, bro. I mean, how many times have we talked about him? This, I think this was it, man. I think this was the nail in the coffin.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, Thanos got a huge hit, like and I suspect, I suspect, and we don't know anything, but I feel like they're not done. Because, based on what I saw with the change to the time stone, the change in how he's basically a massive Quicksilver now, It would almost indicate that maybe they have more plans with how they're going to address some of these stones or his general play style. Like, this OT felt like the patch might have something to say about it too. Like, I don't, I don't quite think we have the full picture yet. And again, I know nothing. I just, it was an instinct I had when I was reading the notes. I
Cozy Snap:mean, bro, sign me up if they change the stones to be like the time stone in aiding Thanos, right? So all you, so you've got like some other cards that you got, you know, with Synergy. But the main goal is to be playing. Possibly the best card in Snap if you build it up, right? If you get to its stature, right? Of like, you know, the Soul Stone does this, or whatever that might be. Man, like, how cool would it be if maybe he gets the effects of the stones on his gauntlet when they're all out, right? So like, he can push out the Soul Stones negative. Whatever, I think that's a cool route to go to still make him feel iconic. But obviously, at this point, like, we were just sick of the, like, put cards in a Thanos deck. It's a good deck. I'm okay with this route. I think we're gonna get negative things happening to him, but also positive. But yeah, so Thanos, massive change, guys. He's got the Quicksilver. He starts a new deck. That's mainly the OTA. We are we got, we're doing okay on time. Let's, let's go over to the last subject here, the biggest OTA review?
Alexander Coccia:The only thing I wanted to mention quickly, I think we moved kind of fast over saber-tooth. Okay. Saber-tooth that might be a slept on change in the sense that it's very similar to a gladiator where it actually helps, it's a two-pronged buff where not only does it buff the power of saber-tooth, but theoretically it's buffing venom. It's buffing null, it's buffing. That entire package that's using power to destroy or destroyed power is actually beneficial to the entire archetype. Yeah. So I think that like, don't sleep on the actual extra power there. Cause it's a bit of a double dip. That's all I want to say.
Cozy Snap:He had his moment in the sun when I covered the OTA. I was like, Hey guys, the best time Sabertooth was used was when you were like this kind of all in Knull deck, right? You just, cause you can keep killing them over and over and over and over. You just keep killing them, build it up, right? I don't know. It's just such a tight list, man. It's so well, I mean, he, he might get, he might get, he might get that spot in there. I just, yeah, I want to see how much his play late, but his play rate buffs up.
Alexander Coccia:Dude, I'm so upset with you. I'm giving you another shot to bring up Sabertooth, Moon Girl. You missed your Moon Girl quota. Remember the Sabertooth, Moon Girl death decks?
Cozy Snap:What is that, dude? That's a, yeah, I think that was a different era, man. I mean, hey, you just go Squirrel in there too, and we kill them with Chimonga. Chimonga the
Alexander Coccia:Squirrels, get the death for free, play the Moon Girl, beat the Sabertooth, and just start throwing them down everywhere.
Cozy Snap:Bro, can you imagine, if Snap even had like two more cards per deck it, like, they could be something nasty. I wonder, like, what Arcade, I think Destroy would have to be towards the top.
Alexander Coccia:Well, yeah, because it just has this limitless potential to just keep scaling, right?
Cozy Snap:Let's talk about the biggest sleepers at every cost, Alex. And as you guys know, we usually do favorites at every cost. But we got a couple comments where people wanted to know what cards we just think are getting slept on, right? So, I would say they have to be, like, on average, just not played enough, or they should be played more, or they, people think they suck. Either or. It's kind of what we're aiming for here, Alex, and I'm gonna give it to you first for the one cost line
Alexander Coccia:Spider Him. I think Spider Himm is one of the most slept on cards in Snap right now. Ironically, it hits Theos every single time. Every time. Yeah. Every single time he's sitting on the left side of the hand. I really like spider hem a lot. It's obviously disproportionate, better Conquest card, which you talk about a little bit every once in a while, but I think it's a great card. It gives you information about the opponent's deck. It disrupts their hand. I, I think it's good, man. And like, honestly, one, one feels weak. But it's effect is worth it at times.
Cozy Snap:Dude, yeah. I've loved him at 1 1 since he's gotten there. I think Shadow King getting better too helps him out a ton, because Shadow King's a beautiful synergized card with him. You can just nuke that ham to zero whenever you kill on the pig side, and it's just, it's crazy. It's absolutely nuts. Like the pig dude, I went Ant Man. I feel like Ant Man is just not getting the respect he deserves. Dude, he's a 1 5. Very easy to accomplish. Ongoing, so it's kind of tough to get rid of that power stat. I think people should be putting Ant Man in their decks more. I truly, outside of just the ongoing package, he's just a decently good statted card and I think could work even with US Agent to some degree.
Alexander Coccia:First of all, one of my favorite variants in the game. Not only is Ant Man stealing a cookie, but he's stealing my heart. But truthfully, honestly, a very good card. A very good card at 1 5. Easily disruptible though. Not only would it just kill Monger, but Polaris will do it. Anything that kind of moves cards around. I mean, haha, Cannonball, Cannonball, Steggy. They'll mess up the Ant Man location quite a bit. But this is one of the examples where like, you know, it's a 1 5 that becomes a 1 7 with a Spectrum hit, right? You love to see it. It's a really good card.
Cozy Snap:An easy 1 5 at that, and people just often don't do the math. Two costs? I feel like there are 20 cards to pick.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, so if we want to talk about two costs, I think there's one, okay, I'm kind of going on a limb here, because the two costs I want to talk about is, I think universally understood as being good, but I don't think people really appreciate just how good it is, and it's armor. So in a lot of the decks where Destroy kind of starts to pop off a little bit, like I'm playing some Evo, I cut Kaira. And I add armor because armor is not only defensive, but it's offensive depending on the meta. And if destroy is 12 percent of the meta, having armor is not only a snap condition, but a complete disaster for your opponent. So I really like armor. I think that it is underappreciated for its offensive capabilities. I love the card.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, I do. I think that's a great poll. I think it's one of those classic, like. People know it's good, but they're not using it quite to its, and I think that's actually, like, the rhyme and rhythm of a lot of these two casts. Like, they're, they're just not utilized to the degree they should. We've talked enough about, like, Kraven, Shadow King, and those are ones that I think stood out before this recent patch. Bro, I, I think the same thing can be said for Quake. I, it's, it kind of, it's nutty to me that we don't play Quake. Near as much. I don't know about you, dude. I know since her buff, you have lost a game because your opponent has played her and you're like, Oh my god! What a play. Can't even be mad about it. There should be more of these. No question about
Alexander Coccia:it. 100%. Actually, in the US Agent deck, if you have like a Sarah turn 6 play, US Agent for one cost, Quake for one cost. That is a hell of a lot of disruption, right? You can switch the locations, put USAgent on a specific lane, completely destroy their plan. I, I like Quake a lot. It's one of those, you know what the problem with Quake is? We know it's good, we want to play it, we like playing it, but it's too easy to cut. It's too easy to cut, and I think that's what's wrong.
Cozy Snap:It is, yeah, and I think a lot of these, yeah, it's like, oh, I can make, it's kind of the same as like Cable. Like, I think Cable's like, I love Cable, dude. I love Cable. But when you look at the list, you're like, He's kind of in here for the extra spice, right? Unless you're building a synergized deck, right? Like, you always go for this, like, maximum synergy, maximum synergy. And so, like, some of these independent cards, per se, it's like, eh. That's where I feel like I love Baron, right? I think Baron's fun. We'll talk about him on your side. He's kind of an independent card in some ways, like he kind of does his thing, and so I think he might be that same vein eventually, but, you know, we'll talk about that later. Three costs, buddy.
Alexander Coccia:Oh, for me, there's only one that needs to be talked about, and it's Rogue. I've been playing a lot of Silver Surfer lately, and I've been putting Rogue in my decks. No one respects Rogue. People will snap on me with Iron Man and Locations, with, like, it doesn't matter, Miss Marvels, it does not matter what it is, no one expects you to Rogue their cards. No one. And when you do, it's one of the best feelings in the world. I cannot express how many cubes I've stolen with Rogue over the past month. This is by far the most slept on 3 cost in the game. I'd
Cozy Snap:love to see it, man. I feel like I always pick Negasonic. I'm not gonna do it this time. I'm gonna pick Soran. I think you had him on your list a couple months back. Hey Gosh, just your, just your monthly reminder not to forget about the card. Red Hulk does not have an ongoing effect. Okay, War Machine now, we do have duo synergy with potentially Ebony Maw. I think there's, there's non ongoing cards that are beautiful with Soran. Shuri's certainly back. She's back doing fine. She's doing better than ever. Sauron deserves to be in that package a lot of the time as well. The Hope Summershuri is what is really over the top now. So that's what could be tough. But I'm all for an either or as well. You know, if you get, if you get one, you play the other kind of thing. I think Sauron is still there.
Alexander Coccia:It's so funny, we talked about it on a prior Snapchat, Sauron is the number one card in Snap that no one talks about with the highest win rate, the highest cube rate everything about this card is an absolute banger, like, it got 3 3, and when it got 2, people were like, oh really, Sauron's getting nerfed, why? And it's like, because it's literally the best card in the game, like, you don't think it is, you don't realize it is, it doesn't tilt you out the way, you know, Blob does, because Blob's effect is, look at this tower of power that just, Tooted on me or whatever. Alioth pisses you off for the same reason. Sauron just allows everything else to piss you off because everything else is so much better. You're not mad at Sauron. And so like, yeah, this, this card's unreal. And he's got
Cozy Snap:the rare of like just the easiest snap condition. Like there's the, as easy as it gets to know when to snap. Gotta love them. Forecast.
Alexander Coccia:It's funny because you kind of stole a little bit of my thunder it's Shuri. And I'm glad Shuri's making a comeback here. For the longest time, Shuri was being completely slept on. I started playing some Shuri over the last couple of weeks. You know, did some content on it, this and that. And it's just funny because, like, yes, the play pattern is very straightforward. But you know what's really straightforward about that play pattern? It steals cubes. It just wins cubes. And, like, people just they're just like, oh, I'm against a Shuri. That's a massive play pattern. Red Skull. They definitely have Taskmaster. I can't do anything, right? And I think that, like, at the end of the day, extremely vertical, strong, high power under armor. They can't shanchi it, and you have the optionality of where you 50 50 Taskmasters too much, people will retreat. It's a very good four cubing deck.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, I think Hope Summer's changed it massively too. Just the either or there is insane. This card that I've got, man, I think is underplayed. People know it's good, but I'm not seeing it in this, man, at all. And I don't know why. And that's Omega Red, man. I, like, why are we playing him? Why are we playing him? It's a, it's a, it's a great card. It's a perfect substitute for Ms. Marvel. But even more so, like, I loved him with Red Hulk because you're like, hey, you're not losing that lane. When we play Red, you're not losing it. And often times in Snap, speaking of these like vertical lane stuff, people are going all in on a couple lanes, and if you're able to beat out one of the lanes that they're aggressively going on, And you've got Omega Red. That three power could be enough just to steal that other lane or help you on a control deck.
Alexander Coccia:I love the callout. It's funny, because like, I was staring at Omega Red the other day, thinking about like, I gotta do something with Omega Red eventually. And I just didn't get around to it. I feel like it's probably, I think you're right, this is probably one of the most slept on cards in Snap. Because the effect is good. This is pure power. It'll go across all locations, it'll go across negative zone, does not matter, does not care, it'll get it done. Probably, yeah, I agree. I think this is probably the best call of the list so far.
Cozy Snap:Thanks, man. I was, yeah, I was looking at him. I'm like, man, why do not we play? Why don't we play this card? Five costs.
Alexander Coccia:Five costs for me is kind of interesting because like I've been like going back and forth and like I kind of wanted to say claw, right? I want to talk about claw, but I actually am going to give you a different answer. And this is going to be one that's a little shocking. I'm going to talk about Annihilus for a second. Because you might think, Alex, we know Annihilus is good. Yes. But what's interesting about Annihilus from a meta share percentage, it is way, way, way lower than so many prominent archetypes despite having win rates that exceed them, despite having cube rates that exceeds it. I think people understand that Annihilus is good, but I don't think they respect just how good this card actually is. And it dodged, it was supposed to, we had an inclination it was going to go to a 5 5. It goes from a 6. So that's, that's, I'm grateful for that. This card is probably the, one of the single best cards in Snap, probably easily in the top five. And it does not get spoken about at all. And I think that's kind of wild to me. There's a pocket of players that really respect it. We know it's a good card. But I think it's not identified as being literally one of the best in the game.
Cozy Snap:He's the easiest card to combo with in the game. He has got one of the most clear. Cut like even Angela. She's great. You got a lot of cars that go in that deck man Like you kind of can't cut see you've got the Jeff you got Nightcrawler potentially You've got Spider Man and then it becomes a deck. Annihilus, put Century Annihilus, done. Do what you want. Do whatever you want from that standpoint and that's so cool And there's not a lot of decks like that and I would agree. I would say if you Are having a tough time, like if you're in like 60s, 70s, or you're a more casual player, just play Nihilist, guys, like, just, like, you're gonna, this is your ticket, this is your ticket to Infinite, man, I'm telling you, Alex, you're correct. Mine was more of like, kind of like, Slepton, per se, and that's Valkyrie, I think. With Shadow King coming back, with these giant over the top plays, I do think Valkyrie is one of those cards. It's not even, the problem is, I'm going to shout this out and still not play it all that much, right? It's one of those like, you know it's good, you do have to kind of big brain a lot of things. Ant Man got better, Angela's back. Those are insanely great synergized cards. I think Valkyrie does deserve more respect, and it won't be long until more lists come out.
Alexander Coccia:I feel like Valkyrie is a card that's similar to, like, Titania or that, like, those types of cards that are challenging to play, so people will shy away from them a little bit. Phenomenal card. I do like it a lot.
Cozy Snap:Yeah Let's wrap it up here as we go to the top of the hour. Six Chaos cards, and this one's tough because I think they're all Doing pretty well, but Alex, what's your choice? I think you already know mine.
Alexander Coccia:For me, the six cost card that I think is being slept on to a certain extent is it's Galactus. Honestly, I think Galactus is way better than people are giving it credit for. I think that people are not seeing much Galactus. Seriously. If you don't believe me right now, get into a game of snap. Don't put in Wolverine and stuff. Play wave and see if they call you on the Galactus play. I'm telling you, people are seeing Wave and they're not thinking Galactus. That red flag, that alarm bell is not going off because the card does not have the meta prevalence that it used to. And I do think that I think Galactus is being subbed on. This is a really good card.
Cozy Snap:And what I like about him is if you have Shang Chi and you have Knull or Knull and Alioth, they're so screwed. Like you, hey, you go first? Great, I'll play this. Oh, you go second? Great, I'll play this. It's, it's so tough to beat it. Mine is gotta still be Leader. I think this might be Leader's best time to shine because of Red Hulk. I lost a game the other day. Someone Leader'd my ass and I played down my Red Hulk. I'm like, smiling ear to ear. I play my 30 pound Red Hulk and it just, cool, done. Match over. And it's, I, maybe this is why, like, this is why Leader exists or things like this. But yeah, Red Hulk was created by Leader in the lore. Hey, maybe that's why he's got his goat, right? But yeah, I think Leader definitely deserves to be more in control decks, for sure. Ones that you're, you're winning the game, you're winning the game, you get up to turn six, and you just copy what they do.
Alexander Coccia:I haven't played a Leader deck in the longest time. Maybe that changes this weekend.
Cozy Snap:Give it a shot, man. Give it a shot.
Alexander Coccia:Cozy. Crazy week in Marvel Snap. Not one, but two cards came out. Completely different cards. I think pretty cool cards. A lot of different flavor here. A lot to discuss today on the SnapChat. So let's get started with Baron Zemo. Cozy, I'm gonna give you the floor. What are your thoughts on Baron Zemo?
Cozy Snap:Yeah, to reiterate what you said. I love that we had Hope, Summers, and Pixie. Metacard, Uncard. Kind of the same this week, right? And we start with the fun option, who's good too, you know, I think we both gave him a three, maybe a three and a half is what we kind of landed at, and that's probably about where he's gonna land ultimately, but man, is he a ton of fun, and he's surprisingly, like, A bit more flexible than I thought he would be. He does average kind of the same stat line, but man, I I've enjoyed my time with Baron and definitely like one of those I'm excited to get back to.
Alexander Coccia:I really enjoy the mill archetype. That's what I liked about Baron. I like that milling is actually a thing. And I mean, I don't like when it's being done to me, full disclosure. I think it's infuriating. So I think finding a balance between mill being a good comparable, like competitive deck. Versus Mill being so annoying that everyone hates it is going to be a difficult balance. I do think the card is statted in a way that it's fun playing. I think pulling a card from the deck is fun. Generally speaking, people run good cards. I like it. I actually really like the card. It's been fun.
Cozy Snap:See, for me, I like Mill, but what I've enjoyed about him and where I put him immediately was and we can talk about it in a sec, but I like when you're not all in on it, right? When you have a couple of cards that Mill, That's enough heat for me, where I was like, oh, and I had like, I think 3 or 4 in the deck, but still, it's like, when you go all in on like, the Dilethor deck, it just often times, it's like, you're kind of missing something in there, and I felt like he was really good, combined with like, a couple of other cards, And then you're, you know, you're able to put on that aggression and really kind of telegraph the game from there. So yeah, he he's definitely, he's definitely cool. Every game is a little different. The sound effect of when they don't have something to take is hilarious with the trombone. Yeah. I love them.
Alexander Coccia:It's actually something worth noting there. Marvel Snaps all about fun. Like definitely we love this game. I am not going to sleep on the effect. I think the effect adds a lot of flavor to the character, a lot of flavor to the card. And it makes it more fun, like just the same way Gladiator does like the little swear, I like those touches, those small touches I think are what like, really separate Marvel Snap from other games, that feel, that interaction with the board, that, like you're kind of playing with these characters, these aren't just cards, they're personified, that's really important to me, and I think that Baron, and I mean, Even Hope Summers, how like you hover and like she does like the, the flame things and stuff like that. That's really cool to me. And I think that the more that Marvel Snap does that, the better this game is. Because it's just more engaging and more fun and that's what it's setting out to do.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, I remember they were working on Conquest and we had like maybe five months where they didn't do the VFX on the cards. And I like, I miss that because I do love like even Deadpool or whatever it might be like. Each one is starting to get its own thing and it does, it feels right on time. Now there are a couple that are like rather, not maybe annoying, but you're like, oh, okay, like, let's go. But like, Infinaut, man, I, I, I, when he got his, it was fantastic. Baron, yeah. So Baron going to like the decks that I played him in really, man, you know, I did the mill thing, but loved him, loved him in the Patriot build, man. I thought it was so fun to have as this like, Hey, you're already using Absorbing Man. He already kind of works with that deck. He kind of helps out Mockingbird as well. But he just kind of worked with the other cards. Gladiator, we ended up putting in there. And then I had Yondi, which I felt was interesting. But yeah, you combine that with the Dazzler and the Surfer, it's fun.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, honestly, like there's so many different shells that it's working really well on. I really liked what you had done there, because like, like again, Gladiator, you're milling, but you're putting a ton of power down. You're disrupting, but you're putting power down. Zemo's doing the same thing. But you're also, you have those like. Those combo patterns that really give you the opportunity to steal a game. You also have snap conditions, right? Like Brudob's Man and like, you know Mockingbird. Like I really liked how that was designed and it really showcased the potential power of Baron. Cause even as a three, three, five, like. The one thing I found, tell me if this happened to you, I was playing these greedy decks where I'm like Yonduin, Cable, Gladiator, and then I go to play Baron later and there's no cards to draw and he just comes in by himself and says like, really? Nobody? Yeah, right,
Cozy Snap:right. Yeah, no, to its point, like, it's like he just, putting him in archetypes that needed a little bit more of a boost is where it was fun. Like, maybe Dazzler doesn't need to be in every deck, but like, That Patriot deck was already having Surfer as this, like, kind of backup plan, and it's like, Hey, I'll take another 3 5 with Gladiator, another 3 8, and then you keep that up. And he, like, Maximus didn't work out quite how I liked it. There was a couple cards but I did like, you know, I was doing, like, Black Widow with Maximus and trying stuff there. Baron, I just, what I like about him the most is his whole kit, he does it himself. Like, he can do his own thing, but then you can make that work in a lot of decks. I don't think he's going to be talked about five months from now. Like as in this meta card but he's a, he's a welcome addition to the game.
Alexander Coccia:I, I'm going to like counter that slightly to say that I think he's an important piece for a potential new archetype in Mill because without him, no one was talking about Mill, right? No one was like, no one, like no one's playing those cards. So, I mean, like, I think that we might be talking about him in five months. We don't know what cards are coming out in five months and like Mill might be one or two releases away from being ridiculous. Yeah.
Cozy Snap:And I think like again, I think. Being able the opponent knowing what you got and all that. Like, they balanced it out well to your point. I don't know if Snap will ever lean super heavy in a mill. I'd be surprised if we got another mill card in a while, is my take. Like, that I think it took us how long to get this one almost, right? But, it's at a good spot right now, even. I think it's in a in a in a fine spot of the balance between, like, annoying and fun, I guess.
Alexander Coccia:No, you're right. It isn't the right balance to keep in mind because it's like a whole new archetype. I absolutely think that it's, it would be intelligent for second dinner to get some data as they can before throwing too many pieces at it. Right? Like think about how long it took for us to get X 23 for destroy. Think about how long it took for us to get the black order season for discard. Discard was a deck when they, when they nerfed Chavez, Discard was dead. Like, completely dead. We got Black Knight, but Black Knight needed buffs and stuff like that. So, like, these incremental improvements to these archetypes, I think, are super important, right? One thing I want to ask you about, Baron Zemo, is do you think that this card is going to be one that becomes more relevant in the Infinity Conquest week?
Cozy Snap:Ooh, Yeah, it depends. It depends on the decks that are doing well during that time. Again, I think he slots well into Surfer. I think he does pretty good into even Serra decks at, like, you could almost make him work in there, too, for the value play. He's certainly better in Conquest. I mean, certainly better. I mean, that was evident when I played him. Very evident in that. Yes and no. I, like, I don't think it's going to be this major tick up, but yes, he'll get played more in Conquest week, no question.
Alexander Coccia:Okay, that's kind of what I figured as well. Just as a quick recap of statistics, by the way, currently based on untapped statistics, Baron Zemo is running a 54 percent win rate. Keep in mind this is the first week we do have some bond inflation there but we also do have a 0. 38 cube rate and 22 percent of the meta, which is a pretty large share. Now this is a season pass card, we did see a significantly higher share in Hope Summers, so it would look as though general sentiment would be that Hope Summers is considered a stronger card than Baron Zemo. I would tend to agree with that, but I think that Baron is a great season pass release. You're adding a new potential archetype into people's hands, a card that's very novel, very unique it can go in many different archetypes, it's not shoehorned into one in particular archetype, and it's not meta shatter. I think this is an excellent release, I think that Second Dinner nailed it.
Cozy Snap:If it's not a meta card, a fun card's the way to go. Like, Scar's cool, but he just wasn't fun or meta. So it was like this weird Spot, right? Same with Sebastian Shaw a little bit, but we've seen now, you've got things like Hope Summers, really good card, you have Baron Zemo, a really fun card, and we've had other fun slash good cards, I think they found a good balance here.
Alexander Coccia:No, absolutely, and so Baron, generally speaking, I think you know, I, I like it a lot kind of, we'll say quick star rating, what you're feeling right now?
Cozy Snap:Yeah, exactly where I had him at, probably three, three and a half.
Alexander Coccia:Alright, that takes us to Red Hulk here, and okay, By golly, Red Hulk, I gotta say Cozy, Red Hulk, it, that, it is, it's something, man, it is something. It is, let's go stats first, okay? A 57 percent win rate. Okay. Again, we had Baron at 54, just as a comparison. Cube rate, 55 compared to Baron's 38. Percentage of the meta, Cozy, it's only been like five days. Take a guess where it's at. Yeah.
Cozy Snap:The busted, busted 65.
Alexander Coccia:Sixty five percent of the meta, it's thirty two, it's thirty two percent, which is like higher than Shawn Chi. Like it's literally like on pace of Shawn, so if you feel like you're getting Shawn Cheat every game, you're gonna get Red Hulked every game, man, like, it is everywhere. Also, evidence that the Spotlight Cash System providing, getting access to cards, right? But like, honestly, this card is just huge. It's a chonky boy, Cozy. And it's getting chonkier than even some of the blobs. Now, of course, you had like, you had your Hunter Power blob in your video. I still remember that one. But this guy is huge. Would you call him a 4 star card or
Cozy Snap:what would you call him on the ranking over there?
Alexander Coccia:Oh. Oh, this is, this feels like a leading question that I'm scared to answer.
Cozy Snap:You give me the point fives, I'm gonna, so, no, it's more of you, I think last week you said he was a four star, and, and like, you know, that's fine, I just, because he was just a big power card. But to the point of, it's, like, that works, we saw Blob on that first week, and like, truly, how, I just, what I don't understand about Red Hulk, you just had to flame me a little bit there. Would you give him a five star now though, is it safe to say he's a five star card? You know what,
Alexander Coccia:I, hmm. Hmm. I have arguments against it, I have arguments against it, but I will say What's a 5 star card? I want to
Cozy Snap:know what's a 5 star card to Alex Coccia. I would love, I would love, besides Hulk, you know Black Swan.
Alexander Coccia:Okay, oh, now Cozy's, you're just, my, like, where's, my back hurts from all the stabbing. You fueled me with
Cozy Snap:the 5's, alright, you got it. Okay,
Alexander Coccia:I'm gonna go with, okay, I'm going with my, I'm shooting my shot here, okay? Here's why I still think he's a 4 star card. I'm gonna get roasted so hard here because I'm now doubling down. Okay, listen. He gets super chonky. I've seen him over 30. This card is ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous. However, I think that when push comes to shove, and you're in Infinity Conquest, or you're in high ranked Infinite, or whatever it is, the fact that you can watch this card prop up, I think it detracts from its cube rate. I think you cannot catch people by surprise. When you have an Evo Hulk, and it's like an 18 or a 20, I guarantee you, only the absolute top tier players have been keeping track of your floated energy. A lot of players will be like, Oh man, that just came down as an 18, I was not expecting that. I was, I was in the top 1000. And I'm telling you, I got hit with Hulk, so I was like, I didn't realize they skipped that many times. Right? And so like, when it's ticking up, not only do they know that you have it, Right? Which makes Shawn Chi a little more of a reliable play for your opponent. But, I think their retreat situation is much more clear. They know you have it. They know where it might be going. And so, I think that, ultimately, will pull some cube rate off it. But, oh my god. If we're talking power, this thing is as 5 stars as it gets.
Cozy Snap:I mean, I think you're, yeah, I was like, you're explaining the con of them, for sure. If, if, Baron is a, almost a 4. Even putting Red Hulk in the same category is disrespectful to the card. That's fair. You're right.
Alexander Coccia:No, I do
Cozy Snap:admit you're right. If this isn't a 5, I don't know what is. And I'm not afraid. You guys could roast me for giving it a 5 last week and now this week. What is at this point? I don't know how in testing. They were like, Hmm. 6 10. I don't, I don't think that's it. I don't think 610's enough. I just don't under, like, I have no idea how to discuss this. You
Alexander Coccia:have
Cozy Snap:one power buff? Yeah, like, why? Like, I just don't, like, I, we, we look at the, the, what is this, the U. S. agent, and they're like, Oh, they gave him a power buff. Probably, because he sucks. Probably gonna give him another one. This guy, they were like, eh, throw it on there. Just, just, just put another one. It just blew my mind that this card came out the way it was. I'm fine with having like a mega titan card every now and then. To your point, yes, the biggest con about him is you see him rise up, and in general ladder, that can hurt you. I still think in Conqua, it's like, okay, you're still gonna win. And, and any competent player playing against High Evo Hulk knows they look at the lanes and like, Hmm, odds are they have Hulk. I should leave. Right? Like, it, it takes that out of it. I understand that. But, and not saying like, you're not a competent, competent player if you don't feel that way. I like the mechanic of letting them see it. It's cool, I think it's very needed for the card, but there's just no, I just don't see a world, this doesn't get nerfed. I don't see a world.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, it definitely gets nerfed at some point for sure, and I think that's correct. It's, for the record, I'm just gonna go on record here, Cozy's correct, this is a 5 star card. However, what I will say though, is that, chance of it getting nerfed, relatively high. But I don't, I just, the Kyuubri thing kind of holds me back. It really does, but like, it just, it feels like, why would you play Blob when you can play this? Why would you, you can gameplay interactions.
Cozy Snap:I think people are going to get sick of this card in a week and a half, dude. I you can put this in any single deck. Pick any archetype and you put Red Hulk in there. Okay, I can name them, literally like Patriot, you can do Silky Smooth, you can do Loki. It doesn't matter, actually, I think that's like, if you look at it right now. Red Hulk, as that last card, is his own win condition, right? And so most decks need a win condition, and then they have other ways to get other win conditions. Red Hulk single handedly has his own. The Blob needs bigger cards in there, so he doesn't, he isn't as versatile. This card, it's, it, even if you're seeing him grow, you can't always fill out that energy. And so that's what makes him so crazy, and I think it limits deck design. And ultimately, that's why I think they do take him back. They've got a lot of knobs though to twist, bro. They can do the 11 power, they can do the plus 3 power each turn, not plus 4. Still would be stupid good. I don't know which one they do, but yeah, it's tough.
Alexander Coccia:You could even make them like, if he's a 612 that gains plus 2 every time or plus 3 every time, like, you're right, there's a ton of dials here and I think they'll probably ultimately have to use them. One thing I will say that I really like about it is, it's kind of funny, I was talking about how like, oh, the cube rate of the reveal on the hand. I think it's actually really cool though that it reveals in the hand. Because when I see that happen to my opponent, my planning, as like the player who might have Red Hulk slammed in their face, the game changes. The way I curve changes. Like for instance, there are times where I'm playing Zabu on turn 3, where it's like, you know, it's still probably the best place where I can double up on turn 6 with my 4 costs, but if there's a Red Hulk there, I think twice about it. Because I'm like, maybe I just curve out. Maybe I just play that Rock Slide. Maybe I just play the whatever. I don't play Zabu, right? I don't, I don't eat that. I have to eat the energy or else that Red Hulk's gonna just become a problem. I really like that element and at the same time, I could only imagine what social media would look like if this card was not showing in people's hands and it just came down as like a 30 something power card on 36xSprite. It's like, hey guys, check this
Cozy Snap:out! Like, I think what's, what's, There are cards that we have seen in datamines, and we're like, man, that's gonna be good. I think this is what's tough about Snap. Like, I whiffed, I still think I like War Machine. I'm gonna, I'm gonna read that, but like, to the critics, I whiffed on War Machine a bit. Fair enough. He looked like he was gonna be absolute insanity, right? Mobius, we looked at, okay? We knew he was gonna be stupid. In fact, he got nerfed to the sun, then came back, still stupid. Red Hulk, we looked at, is like, how is this not, how is this not gonna be a stupid, every now and then, there's a card that's just obviously really, really good, and it's typically the simple ones, the more simple, the cool obsidians, the super giants are tough to rank, the red hulks, power, like, power, power, power, and I, I think it's, they did it lore accurate, they did a good job with it, I don't know how many of these we'll get, you know what I mean, but this is a, this is a cool one.
Alexander Coccia:It's kind of funny you talk about like, like ranking accuracy and stuff like that. Like we we've had our hits. We've had our misses. The other day, someone linked to me a Reddit comment that was like one of the most, okay, listen to this for those of you that understand the financial markets, you'll totally get this. Someone referred to me as the Jim Cramer of Marvel Snap. And I was like, that is the most offensive thing anyone's ever said to me. Like there are literally like people that have these like funds where they do the, called the inverse Kramer, where they'll do like, if, if he says, buy a stock, they'll do the opposite. They'll sell it. Or if they say, if he's like, sell the stock, the company sucks. They'll buy it. Cause everything he says is ultimately wrong. So I'm apparently the Jim Kramer of Marvel Snap.
Cozy Snap:It's a, it's a, it is a we don't speak up on it enough. Like, first of all, we're making decisions. We're, we're, first, in the Snapchat, we're just like, we're not even playing the cards. We're just whiffing off, like, what we think, right? And that's hard to do. Then you play it, and you have one playtesting day, which, like, this isn't the case, but let's say you had Martyr, and you're, let's say you just kept winning. Like, you just won, no matter what deck you played. Sometimes, the stars align. You're not gonna think it's a bad card. You're just not, right? And so, it's tough, and you have to get that decision out there. And then you also have to like, well, what are they going to think? So do you take the decision down? It's, it, you got to go with your gut on it. And every now and then, you're going to whiff. I think both of us have played enough Snap where we can generally tell if a card's going to be good in the future. We both try our best. There's a little bit of a backup because of Sunken Fallacy. People have to spin to get these cards in a way. Red Hulk though is, he's the five of the month and I, I, I think. The sad part is, this is the best card of the month.
Alexander Coccia:It only goes down Can I do something, Cozy? I need I need to do something. Okay, so, just to just to completely just cement the irony of me giving this a four cost card, Can I flex for a second? Can I have your permission to flex for a second? Yeah. The current number one win rate deck in Marvel Snap
Cozy Snap:Well, let me guess, is it an archetype with Red Hulk in it? What is it?
Alexander Coccia:It has Red Hulk in it. It's my deck. That I used with Captain Marvel. I'll read the deck out. It's Kitty Pryde, Nightcrawler, Angela, Kraven, Jeff, Silk, Elsa Bloodstone, Spider Man, Shawn Chi, Captain Marvel, Vision, and Red Hulk. Cozy, it's a 5 star card. I was wrong. You were right.
Cozy Snap:This is my August deck that I brought back from August. Same exact thing. And I love it because it's pretty similar. You have, but you have two
Alexander Coccia:cards
Cozy Snap:off, dude. And what's funny is in the video, the video is already out. Or it's out by the time this goes out, this spot literally was like, play red Hulk, he's going to be better. But I have Magneto in here because of storm. This was the deck that I played back in August that they took it away. Once Captain Marvel went down, it was terrible again. I love what you're doing there. Cause this is, it's what's, what we just said, right? It's it's congrats by the way. It's the, it's just a good archetype. Okay. Good archetype plus red Hulk. That's what it is. I mean, it is. But this one, you get the flexibility of it, and that's what I think is really cool. And in the video that I made, I pretty much just talked about how your Angela lane is one win condition, okay? And then, if you just get Red Hulk, you know how hard it is for them to catch up to that? It's so hard, man! Plus you have Captain Marvel, plus you have Kraven building up the power, plus you have, in my version, Storm and Magneto so you can shut down lanes early, or the tech card with Shang Chi. It's so hard to beat these, man.
Alexander Coccia:Absolutely, you're right, and I look forward to that video. One thing I will say, I felt confident doing the flex on Cozy. Because the week prior, cozy, your Black Night Deck with War Machine was actually the, by far, the top performing war machine deck. Even in Infinity Conquest. It was like one of the absolute top performers. Oh, bro,
Cozy Snap:I, I I, that's, that's why I loved him. That's why day, day one too, I'm like, this is a crack corn. Then I was like, ah, he is pretty good at Black Knight. And even, you know what? I, it was funny. I was trying to make'em work in this deck, the one I just showed you. But I'm like, that was the problem. I think we talked about this on my side, where Annihilus is great. He only needs a couple of cards. I love Angela. She needs a lot, kind of, like, you just want to put her so much. And so, like, I couldn't lean too much into the control synergy there. And maybe that's, like, ultimately his issue. But yeah, Red Oak, dude, I give you guys warning. I think if you want to play him, play him now. I don't think they're going to adjust him this week. Then we have another two weeks till No TA. So that means you got about three weeks. But just know, you're probably renting. Where he's at now. I still think he'll be good. They're not gonna kill him, but this good,
Alexander Coccia:I don't know how long. I mean, but Shun Chi exists for a reason, right? So, you just add him to your deck and just be the Dragon Punch. Who Dragon Punches? Is it, oh, Falcon Punch! Oh, dude, Captain Falcon?
Cozy Snap:Oh, yeah, dude. But, and on that though, it made Shun Chi even more essential. Doesn't that kind of suck? Alright, we were almost getting away from it a little bit. Dude, I was playing him in Shuri. That was my day one build. What was your day one build with Red Hulk?
Alexander Coccia:Red Hulk, my day one build was the I tried to do like a stats based deck with Taskmaster and Supergiant. It was a disaster. It was a disaster. The the Taskmaster combo, the Shuri, did you do Shuri in there with Hope Simmers? No, I didn't do Shuri, it was like Evo,
Cozy Snap:okay, okay, okay. It was
Alexander Coccia:like an E, it was like, I called it Red and Green. Because I thought it was cool. And it worked, but the problem was, is like, I had this amazing skill of putting Supergiant at the bottom of my deck. Which made Taskmaster very awkward. And then like, it, it had its moments, it was not bad. Taskmaster behind Supergiant is like an incredible combo. Like, disgusting. Disgusting. But, you need the stars to align a little more than I like.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, him and Sherry's funny, man. We saw some, I saw some silly, silly numbers there. Like, oh man, he, he's got a lot of, I mean, again, he's as flexible as it comes. You could, you could really build an archetype you like and throw in the Red Hulk in there. And, like, even Loki, man, like, Loki has no business playing Red Hulk. And he's just, like, the best Loki's dex. Have Red Hulk in there so it's, it's funny to see that as a card, and I think that's pretty, pretty telling sign for it, but yeah, anyway, good card I think we can both say that, you know, he's 5 star confidently, and or 4. 5, or 4, strong
Alexander Coccia:4, he's a 5, he's a 5, Cozy, you're right, I missed it on this one, he's a
Cozy Snap:5, strong 5, or weak 5?
Alexander Coccia:He's a pretty strong one.
Cozy Snap:I just messed with you. Alright. Is he the new villain of Snap? Do you think he'll be the new villain?
Alexander Coccia:I love that transition, because I have him written as number one. As the number one villain of the current Marvel Snap, but like, I think it's a perfect transition. He is definitely not a villain yet, because he's too new. You haven't had your cheeks clapped quite hard enough. By right off. Not only does he clap the cheeks hard, but it's the frequency of which the cheeks are being clapped. You don't want you to clap
Cozy Snap:by this guy. I do this
Alexander Coccia:ha ha ha
Cozy Snap:wolf. Look how big his hands are. We are talking by the way, guys, it is late when we're filming this one and I'm about to go on my vacation. Alex. It's like, at least I don't know, like 1am we're, we're loosey goosey this time around. If you guys can't tell he is yeah, I think so. Do you think what's the number one villain right now? I think Hulk will be that by next week. But what is it outside of him?
Alexander Coccia:I think Thanos was right. And I'm gonna be interested seeing, we don't have the patch information, like full disclosure. I'd be interested to see how they changed Thanos in this patch. I think they're not done, as I mentioned prior definitely like enemy number one. The changes that we see now with him starting in the hand are significant enough that like, that might change. And I think that second dinner, it was right to identify that something had to happen with Thanos. He can't just occupy the top of the mat all the time. We do want him to be relevant. Of course. But Thanos was definitely one of the major villains of Snap.
Cozy Snap:Yeah I think Alioth for a lot of people. I think a lot of people hate Alioth. And I like, I get, like, he's a card, like, you're not gonna feel good feelings after you get Alioth played on you. Like, it's not like, like, ah, GG, you know? Like, it's so much so, like, I was even making the deck with Re or with Baron. And I'm like, you know what? Alioth is the best card to put here. I'll just go with Dr. Doom. It's a good second. It's a good second. But I did that just to not play more Alioth that, that obviously is a good card. But yeah, dude, I think Alioth might be towards the number one spot right now. You
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, he's still really high, and I think it's because, like, again, there's, it's, it's frustrating in Marvel Snap where you have a card where, like, you can know with 100 percent certainty you're gonna win the game. Like, there's situations where, like, I just, Alioth, I don't know why they're staying here, and they go, and you're like, wow. And you feel bad for them. You feel bad for them. Like, that's the perfect Iceman, like, emote, right? It's like, oh, oh, like, this is, that was nasty, right? I actually don't think that Alioth's in his final form yet. I don't think that this is the permanent solution for Alioth, because like, it kind of, it kind of ruins Invisible Woman, I think it's impacting cards in ways that shouldn't, it quite shouldn't be. But, to think that it used to be a 6 5 that just deleted the entire turn. Ho, ho, ho! Like, there's some moments where, like, I have these shower thoughts. Like, why didn't I just play that card until I blacked out?
Cozy Snap:Bro. Like, honestly. I say that with so many cards. I know this time with Red Hulk, I'm like, I'm playing him! Because I didn't play Loki enough. I didn't play him enough. Like, yeah. No, I feel you there. Yeah. Oh man. Hey, don't come on. It's too late.
Alexander Coccia:G arrow. Do you remember those days? Cozy? I know you remember those days. I'm
Cozy Snap:getting hot. I'm getting sweaty over here. Can we, can we move to the next villain? I'm pass.
Alexander Coccia:We can, I have a villain to talk about and it has a similar play a meta share of a life, a life holding the 18 percent meta share. Also, 18 percent is Mockingbird. Mockingbird occupies an 18 percent win rate here, not win rate, sorry, that would be really bad. 18 percent meta share and partially because of Thanos. Like, let's be honest, because Thanos really propelled it. When we talked about it in our prior review of Mockingbird, what's frustrating for me is that Mockingbird was so good elsewhere. It was so good in Patriot, it was so good in Zoo. The fact that it made Thanos even better, and that's where it was being seen all the time, I think it just, it made this beautiful card, like, get a negative reputation it didn't deserve.
Cozy Snap:Yeah, I'd be surprised how long she lasts as a 5'9 too. I think she could go down to 5'8 potentially. I don't think they'll make it, like, a 6 cost. I don't think that's gonna happen. But yeah, I agree. I think Thanos did that for a couple cards. I think, you know, made them and people hate them more because they're in there rather than just, like, existing. Which happened at the right time. Like, Red Hulk, if Thanos never changed, we would just, We'd go right back to having the same thing. Yeah, we're gonna have the same exact thing there, but Yeah, I think Mockingbird, do you have, like, a personal villain? Like, who's Alex's villain?
Alexander Coccia:Like, the thing that I hate playing against the most? Yeah,
Cozy Snap:yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, as of recent, anything?
Alexander Coccia:Oh, man, I gotta think about that. Like, not really. I try not to tilt. Like, Marvel Snap is one of the games that, like, it feels really hard to tilt in. Like, I've tilted before, but generally speaking, like, It feels so fun to play, you just go next. It's not a big deal. To think about the cards that tilt me, I would have to say, for a while it was Galactus, because it was so uninteractive, like the original OG Galactus was really frustrating. But to some degree I feel like I feel like Alioth might be it. Not because I don't like the card or I hate the card or anything like that, I just, I don't like how final the turns feel. I don't like when I feel like I could catch up. And then Alioth is just like, I can't play the turnout because, well, he's winning two lanes, so
Cozy Snap:He's the villainous snap. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah,
Alexander Coccia:yeah. There's some great moments that could happen in the game that get just kind of squished. They don't exist. They're not allowed to exist because Alioth exists.
Cozy Snap:There's a card that I just played a lot of, right? So it's funny to come back on it. But I'm telling you when I play against it and why I made the deck with it. It might be this. This might be my villain. This, this is, this is a, this is a P. O. S. card, man. I, I, this card bugs me, but I also, like, I love it, and I get it. It's a combo card, you have to have things go. You know what I mean? Like like today, man, I won. With the, with the deck, with the, with Spider Control, as, as I call it. Because this guy played this card, he got the, he got the pop off, you know what I mean? He get the snap, you're like, I'll stay, and then he plays the Infinite, you're like, okay. Then he, he has that, and you're like, okay, hold on. I stormed a lane, I won that one, that was already done. He plays his Ebony, he's like, it's done. I magneto'd this card. That was the only way that I could even think of to deal with this, and then I magneto'd it into the infinite lane. Like, I blew my I'm like, Magneto lost his lane, but that's the only way to deal with Ebony Blade.
Alexander Coccia:Audio listeners in shambles. You didn't say the name of the card for like two minutes. Ebony Blade, Ebony Blade. You said Ebony once, very fast, but like, I'd say, we played a game, if you were someone that could figure out what card Cozy Snap was talking about, then you're one of the blessed few. Yeah, it was, it's, you're right though, that card, it's crazy to think that Black Knight came out good, like he was a good card, people were like, yeah, this card's good, and it ended up with like a 53 percent win rate, which no one really wants to commit to. They buff the Ebony Blade, and then it becomes one of the absolute top tier decks, but still fair, I actually like the decks, like, I do. I do like them. I don't think they're overpowering. But yeah, Ebony Blade can be extremely frustrating because of course there's Death's Domain when they have Black Knight. It's always
Cozy Snap:that. Yeah. Yeah. It's something like that. Yeah. He's my, it's like my hero and villain at the, at the same time, but yeah, definitely a lot of villains to be, you know, coming out with Red Hulk probably around the corner.
Alexander Coccia:Cozy for me, Cable. I think Cable's going to be an emerging villain as Baron Zemo gains in popularity, the mill effects start happening more often, and we would be remissed not to mention, because if I, hey, we could, we could bait engagement on the YouTube video if we want by not bringing up Shawn Chi. Thank you. Do we bring up Shang Chi or not? Do we leave it?
Cozy Snap:I feel like Shang Chi is just like Black Knight where he's like, he's your hero and villain. Like, no one hates him because they love him. They needed him. Yeah, dude, kind of, pretty much. I mean, like he, you have to love him, but then you hate him. It's just every time, it's every, I mean, and it feels like, when you hate them the most, it's like Monster Island pops up and you have Shang Chi in their deck, you know they've got Shang Chi in their deck, you don't get your Shang Chi, and what happens to your side? Haunted. That monster just goes right to hell. That's when you probably hate them the most.
Alexander Coccia:I agree, absolutely, but I was thinking about this, this is one of those moments I was zoning out a little bit, I don't remember anything you said, but what I will say is that like, okay, so you're a Dragon Ball Z fan, right? You love, you love Vegeta?
Cozy Snap:Is water wet?
Alexander Coccia:So there's this really iconic moment that I will never forget, that I absolutely love, one of my favorite scenes in all of shows. It's when Vegeta is powering his final flash against Cell. Oh, yeah! And Trunks is like, You're gonna destroy the whole planet, Father! Right? You gotta stop it! And he just does, and he just blasts the whole planet, and like, The, the, like, the those like, church bells are ringing, and the whole planet just gets Oh, man. Tell me that's not one of the absolute best scenes. I love it. I can watch that on a regular basis.
Cozy Snap:Got some shields right now. The whole Cell saga, ooh, yeah. It's good. It's good. That's up, man. It's good. Vegeta's got a couple moments like that where you're just like, he's got, I mean, it's, it, he's up there with like a core list of a few as my favorite arcs, like, you know,
Alexander Coccia:of all. Has to be. Like, just amazing arc all together and like I don't know, if you don't, if you don't know anything about Dragon Ball or Dragon Ball Z, just know that Vegeta's the absolute. The absolute best, and I actually haven't watched GT yet, or any of the other ones, or Dragon Ball, there's a new one, Super, is it Dragon Ball Super? Yeah,
Cozy Snap:I've stuck to the old ones for now, but one of these days, when I, when I retire from YouTube.
Alexander Coccia:Alright, we got a couple mailbag questions, and hopefully there's no questions about Dragon Ball Z in there, I don't think there are, cause well, there's not, spoiler alert, but, Let's talk about a couple things, though this one's not even a question, it's just a comment, we talked about, The the signing last week, and the cards that we would sign, and someone, and the name by Ryan L. Fadden did mention that Alex should 100 percent sign for Jeff. He's been a day one Church of Jeff disciple, and Alex has to help the little guy out. Hard to sign when you got flippers and fins.
Cozy Snap:Is that just a call out? ha ha ha
Alexander Coccia:it's not even a question. I just, I just thought I would say that that apparently I should be signing for Jeff. Because my options were what? Howard the Duck and what garbage did you suggest? I'm
Cozy Snap:tired enough where I was like, waiting for the question. I was like, man, did I miss the, was it something about the flippers? You're
Alexander Coccia:tuning out now? I'm tuning out when you're talking, now you're I said Chavez. That's right, Chavez was a good call too, though. But Jeff, okay, final call. You've had a lot of
Cozy Snap:eras, bro. You've had your Devil Dinosaur era, you had your Chavez, your Captain Marvel, Jeff you hated Thanos for all that he liked Thanos. You've had some eras.
Alexander Coccia:Okay, so you're just 100 percent an era. You've been a committed man. So you're saying that I'm a, I'm a, what's the word? I've got a couple. I've got a
Cozy Snap:couple. I've had a few eras. But yeah, I think, I think, I still think Chavez with you. Like, I always think Chavez with you, just cause like, you're Yeah, I'd double down on
Alexander Coccia:Javis. And our next question comes from Katrin and it reads, As a true Spider Man 2099 believer, I believe that the one thing that he needs to be competitive is to remove the first time condition. For such a high cost card, why not let him have multiple triggers?
Cozy Snap:2099, I'm not, I'm just not, I'm putting in pretty much any other card. To have multiple triggers, I think they talked about it. It's the same with like Hercules. Hercules doesn't have multiple either. I think once you give him the one, I, you get a little dangerous. I mean, you'd have to lower the stats significantly if you gave him that. It'd be cool though. I think it'd be really fun to have him as like, this kind of gambity card. Where you like, you don't know what card you're gonna hit, and he's like, really bad statted, but you're able to do that. Maybe make him like, Maybe even take him down to a 3 cost again and then, er, not again, but take him down to a 3 cost and give him low stats, but allow him to ping pong all over.
Alexander Coccia:What if he, what if he was like a mobile version of Kingpin, where he debuffed the cards as he moved?
Cozy Snap:Yeah, that could work too.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah, okay, cool, cool. There's an idea there, and the next question comes from The D Knight, and it reads, this was a quick one, Is there any concern for cards not having an effect that's indicative of the character that it encapsulates?
Cozy Snap:Yes we talked about it with Cats in America a little bit where we were saying how, like, it just doesn't feel right. Like, like, I get it, he's, like, helping the team out, right, but it just doesn't feel right. I mean, I think we've answered this before, and I feel like I always go back to this, I feel like Dr. Strange just always doesn't feel correct. I get the portals thing, I just, to me, he never feels right. I don't know, I'd like him to be different.
Alexander Coccia:Like, it feels like Dr. Strange should have Kang's ability, except not cra.
Cozy Snap:yeah Yeah,
Alexander Coccia:fair enough. All right. Our next question comes from that guy and it reads, what do you think would improve the new player experience? I'm about halfway through pool three, and it can be very rough as I'm missing one or more key cards from several archetypes and makes me feel less efficient than most of my opponents.
Cozy Snap:Second, and who knows exactly what cards are the best in the deck and go ahead and highlight those in the store as a little package, you can get Venom, Nolan depth as one little thing for X amount. Or whatever that might be, or like, not in that, like you guarantee your next three openings are those cards and you get to pick one of those a month. Whatever that is, that's the ticket.
Alexander Coccia:Yeah. So less for you bundles and more good bundles that actually help players like succeed
Cozy Snap:or not even a bundle, but a feature to like, yeah, pick your path, choose your adventure, destroy discord, whatever.
Alexander Coccia:Oh, that's a cool idea. Imagine new player experience had like a, like a comic book that you choose your path and then like you, you unlock cards and stuff. Now I'm just, I'm just developing a new game at this point. I actually didn't do DC Duel Force do that rip.
Cozy Snap:No, I
Alexander Coccia:don't
Cozy Snap:know.
Alexander Coccia:Anyways, the last question, because Cozy and I, we have to hit the hay before we both block out on camera. And it reads, what are your top three tips for climbing the ladder quickly? hmm I got tips. Give me your tips. Okay. I would play a consistent deck. I would not just kind of flip around between different archetypes. Cause you get frustrated with like bad variants. You start losing, play one deck that you're confident in. Learn the snap cadence for that deck. Learn the retreat cadences for that deck and ultimately one of the key ways of ranking up quickly And this is the thing that I don't feel like often does not get said it's playing a lot of Marvel snap The idea of being able to know through experience what your opponent may be playing the capability of you being able to like infer that oh They have Azabu on the board. Good chance they have Shawn Chi. Those types of experiential kind of learnings will help you make better decisions with your snaps and your retreats. They'll give you more opportunities to like, not lose AQs when you're like, oh, I'm losing two locations. I think Alioth exists still, right? Experience is like, legitimately one of the greatest things you can acquire in Marvel Snap. So, to answer your question very specifically, don't worry about laddering quickly, take it slow. And the slower you take it, and the more experience you build, you'll eventually start just laddering faster.
Cozy Snap:What he said my eyes burned. Yeah, I think that and also just like, if you don't play a lot of Snap, right? It's like, just no Just, you can't expect to be really good, right? So like, people will point in like 10 minutes and snap and be like, Ah, I'm not infinite. Why am I not infinite? It's like, you're not playing the game. I feel like I don't know what I'm saying right now.
Alexander Coccia:I can't get over the fact that I gave like an extremely articulate answer to the question, and your response was what he said, My eyes burn. That's, that's, that's just Cozy, there's only one solution for the eyes burning, my man. And that is the solar eclipse goggles. These aren't goggles, they're shades. Thank you guys so much for listening.
Cozy Snap:Thank you guys so much for hanging out this week. Remember, I will be away, so go check out Alex's content. Alright guys, have a good one, have a great one. Happy snapping.