Xorn: The Movement King Arrives | The State of Snap | Elixir In Review | The Snap Chat Ep. 134

Will Xorn be the new move MVP? What is the current state of Snap? What are Cozy and Alex's final rankings on Elixir? Join Cozy Snap and Alexander Coccia as they chat about this and more on this episode of The Snap Chat and every week as they discuss all things Marvel Snap.

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Transcript

Cozy Snap: 0:00

What's going on guys? And welcome back to yet another episode of the Snapchat. I am fresh off of exercise, fresh off a run. Alex, I'm gonna open up, put you on the spot. What's the weather like over there in can Canada, Canadian, Canada? I just

Alexander Coccia: 0:12

Would you forget where I live, man? Yeah, so it's it's like very just. Like rainy right now. Drizzly all over the place. Lots of rain. My daughter had a soccer game and they're like, it's rep now. And they're like, we're not canceling for rain. We only canceled for thunder. I'm like, bru. So we had to stand out there and get like soaked. And that's the moment where I realized that like I. My, my wife's parents stole my umbrella. I bought this beautiful golf umbrella at Costco. It was clearance price, so I bought it. I don't even golf, but I'm like, yo, this umbrella can cover like my whole family. And then apparently her parents came over and were like, yo, that umbrella looks like it can cover a whole family and stole it. So I'm like, yo, where's this umbrella? And bro,

Cozy Snap: 0:47

dude, hey, stuff happened. This I of today, I officially no longer safe where I live. I was swimming or teaching our son how to swim. And I was swimming in the pool. And I got out and there was a dad, there were two kids. And I went up to him on my way out and I was gonna ask him like, Hey, huh, just like BS dad talk. I was like, Hey, yeah, it's harder with two, like I just poke him a little bit about it. And as I said Hey man. And he goes, Hey. I was like, yeah, hey, do you? And he goes, are you a YouTuber? And I was like yeah, I dabble like I, and he is no. He goes, I'm a grand master. And I was like, ah. And he is here goes your rivals. And I was like, great. Cool. So awesome. He goes, do you live right here? And I was like, ah, the area, somewhere. And he is no, like in here. And I was like, yeah, in the area. He's like trying to pin it down. Yeah, I'm gonna have to move. It's over. It's drop'em off bud. Not even say for my own Dojo anymore.

Alexander Coccia: 1:39

That's hilarious. You're like, yeah, actually I'm in my backyard. Why are you here? Wait a minute. Yeah.

Cozy Snap: 1:42

Wait a second. This is a Are you a pool guy? I hate pools, man. I hate'em,

Alexander Coccia: 1:49

dude. I don't like being wet. I don't like being sandy. We've already established that we're running shoes on the beach now. That's a beach guy. We were difference. There's a big difference though. We're at a beach together. I didn't go near the water.

Cozy Snap: 1:58

No, that's fine. But beaches are so much different than pools. Like pools are a whole other cesspool of things happening. Like I, I can never. Fully enjoy. Like I was in there swimming, right?'cause he is God, I need to see you swim first. I'm like, you got it dude, naturally. And then I was underwater and I was like, yo, I haven't been in a pool swimming like this in a decade.

Alexander Coccia: 2:22

I thought you were gonna be like, I went underwater and I was like, yo, I can't breathe. How do I swim? Yeah.

Cozy Snap: 2:26

Wait a second. What is swimming? No, dude, I did the thing where you go underwater all the way to the other end or whatever, the pool, and I was like, ah, I still got it. I don't know what I don't know what I still got. You're one of those people that have

Alexander Coccia: 2:35

the mental challenge of you go into a pool and you wanna swim, but you're not actually picturing other people swimming. You're picturing everyone is just teabagging the water. A hundred percent.

Cozy Snap: 2:44

Yeah. And then I know the kids by the stairs. I'm like, there's poop in there. There's two poops in there. And I don't know what it is about the summer, man. I just I go into this I need to be as fit as possible. I've been lazy sit because dude, our job is YouTube, so we just sit. We sit. We're professional sitters and professional. Sociopath. We just stare at a camera and talk to nobody. So eventually it just snaps and then I just go crazy and I have to get into running and stuff. That's

Alexander Coccia: 3:10

hilarious because I bet you there's a lot of people that would resonate with this statement I'm about to make. I don't think I've ever had the thought oh, I need to get in this fit shape as possible. ASAP. That's never crossed my mind ever as a lifelong card gamer, video gamer. Okay I have a question then.

Cozy Snap: 3:25

I have a question for you because you're dad with older kids than myself. My fear, the reason I do this is because my son is an active kid. He's active man. He's he makes active kids look like they're not that. I was gonna go somewhere with that, but my fear is like, he's always dad, let's race. I'm like, okay, smoke you right. My dad smoked me in everything we did and it got me better and competitive. But then bro, my fear is like, Hey dad, let's play some pickup basketball. I'm like, alright. And then I'm like, I'm screwed'cause I'm like not in shape. Do your kids ask you to play sports?

Alexander Coccia: 3:56

So they do like my daughter's, so my kids are still young. You make it sound like my kids are watching right now, but they're old enough to play.

Cozy Snap: 4:00

Yeah. Mine's two and a half. Yeah. Like my daughter

Alexander Coccia: 4:02

plays rep soccer. She's tall like I am, like she is like a foot taller than all the other kids in her class. And she plays striker and I tell her, I'm like, listen, just go harder to the net. And she like, just. She's good man. She's good, she's athletic. And my two boys like with the baby, I have three boys, but the two that are like the middles they're both incredibly athletic very good. Excellent skaters can pretty much do any sport. My, my one boy plays like he does ninja competitions, like he loves sprinting and doing ninja stuff. And a big part of that. And here's what I did. I put all my kids, boys, girls, doesn matter all early on in gymnastics. And so they learned to control their core and to like balance and they're just incredibly athletic, way more athletic than I was. And I played very high end, legit soccer. Yeah, like it's funny'cause I, I think the time is gonna come sooner than later where my kids will be able to outrun me and outplay me for sure. Oh, I can't remember what even that's more of an indictment on the physical shape that I'm in. The, that's why I'm working out.

Cozy Snap: 4:55

That's why I'm like, I can't. Like my dad would, we would play like horse and I'd be like, man, I hope I can win today. No shop rail. My dad was just like, he was like doing behind the bag. He is good luck with that one. I'm like, oh my God. Like

Alexander Coccia: 5:06

I, I can see that your dad's an absolute stud mom.

Cozy Snap: 5:08

Yeah, he, I he's younger than me. I feel man, they're busier than I am. That's for sure. But yeah, man, it's it's summer season, man. I'm excited. Excited to, to balance YouTube the best we can in this small little studio and then try to get some, get some summer activities in Bud. So looking forward to it, man. But we do have a lot to talk about today. We have that guy, that man with the chest out and the chains in the middle who pretend to be Magneto, but is Magneto. I don't know much about him. I did learn this today. New X-Men is spelled new X-Men. When you flip it upside down.

Alexander Coccia: 5:42

I'm actually trying to picture that in my head. I think so new.

Cozy Snap: 5:45

Okay. If you flip that upside down as min, so New X-Men is new X-Men.

Alexander Coccia: 5:49

Oh wow. It's the most

Cozy Snap: 5:51

mind blowing thing. I've, okay. I can see it. I feel like I should just have that as my thumbnail. That's the coolest thing I've ever learned in my life. It's like race car is spelled the same, backwards and forward.

Alexander Coccia: 5:58

You just did one of those things where the scientists are trying to figure out how everyone imagines things. Do you have an interior monologue? Can you actually draw things with your mind, et cetera. So that's actually, I don't know. I don't know why I said that. I think Hank Green talked about that a couple months ago. I dunno, I watch a lot of Hank Green for some reason.

Cozy Snap: 6:14

We're getting deep into it, into Alex's late night Doom scrolling love. I love it. I. Also love the subjects you're talking about on your side today over here we're talking about the, we're gonna go through some of the move cards.'cause Zoran is a move card himself and say, do they suck or are they great? And give some discussion towards that. And then the state of Snap, not the same discussion as always, but a little bit about where we want the game to go. Where we see that. Tax came out, what did that do? And more on that. Alex, what are we talking about on your side?

Alexander Coccia: 6:41

Rosie? On my side of the Snapchat, we're gonna be discussing Elixir in review. We got so much to say about Elixir, not really. But anyways, we're gonna be talking about Elixir for a short period of time before we move on to the more meaty subject, which is gonna be the best cards that no one's playing in Marvel Snap. Right now we're gonna be taking a look at very high win rate, very high cube rate cards that are very low play rates, some of which just might surprise you. And then as always, our Snapchat mailbag.

Cozy Snap: 7:04

First of all, I gotta start out people, we got the comments down below. We've heard you loud and clear. You guys like the React content. I don't think we've gotten more comments on the Snapchat about a subject in a very long time. So we will bring that back in some capacity. Very fun for us to do that, whether it's about our own content whatever we do that with the Reddit review, we're trying some new subjects over here. Definitely we'll keep that up for you guys. Anyw who. On that note, we're gonna talk about Zorn, XORN two costs, three power card. After any three or four cost card is played here, move it to another location. Now I know for sure I was way higher than you on this card whenever it came into our initial rankings. Alex, how we feeling right now? What's your rank?

Alexander Coccia: 7:44

You know what? I'm gonna stick with two stars. Oh my God. I, yeah. What do you mean? Oh my God. I'm just, I'm

Cozy Snap: 7:49

actually trying to react so that we can react to this in six months that you were dead or wrong by Zo, but continue.

Alexander Coccia: 7:54

Okay, that's fine. I'm so used to being wrong. It's fine. This does not phase me. Yeah, so I'm gonna stick with two stars here. I just I just don't see why this makes a 12 card shell. I do see some potential here and there but it does, it has some offensive capabilities. Has some defensive capabilities, but a lot of the cards that we're gonna be talking about here are either not meta at all, or they've been heavily nerved from when they were meta. And I do think that it's a very easy condition to play around as well. So I have a lot of questions as to whether or not this card is truly viable enough to sneak a slot into a 12 card deck.

Cozy Snap: 8:29

Okay. Yeah, those are fair for sure. I'm gonna go with the higher end of three. I think he is. I'm gonna go three and a half with my ranking. And I feel like. For a couple reasons. I like that he's a clear cut offensive defense card. Love things that can affect your opponent, but I also think that he is, he gels with what has been the most. Probably most dominant card outside of the Captain Shield and all that stuff. Scream has been the nonstop card of the year. Okay. And he's gonna give that card direct perfect synergy for it. Having a way to move cards without having to play cards is always something very strong. And then I love this at two costs. I think it's super strong at two costs for what you're playing down. You are gonna be able to open up so many more decks, cards that can work with it. New synergies against it. It can prevent Cosmo. I think there's some fun things about him that is truly just being overlooked. I like him as a card a lot and I think three and a half is feeling pretty confident.

Alexander Coccia: 9:21

Okay. That's pretty fair too. Like I can see the argument there, like obviously I'm a bit on the lower side. You're a bit on the higher side. And it is funny that you bring up Scream because Scream is by far one of the strongest archetypes right now and the newest variation of Scream that's actually has the highest cube rate, high screen rate is one that features a lot of the move cards that we're gonna be talking about silk hydro, stomper and stuff like that. And of course, Zorn would be a good addition to that. However, the concern that I have is Zorn just gonna get carried by What is literally one of the absolute best decks in the game? Or will it actually make a notable increase in its capabilities?'cause you're gonna have to cut something like a Sam. Now you won't cut Sam Wilson, but do you cut something like Craven from a deck for Zorn? You know what I mean? Like you're gonna have to make a difficult cut somewhere in a deck that's already so impeccably strong.

Cozy Snap: 10:08

Yeah. I feel like same with Surge. We were like how does he work? Or we haven't played Snap like this. I just feel like that he's gonna fit into that same mold. Like it's like he, he's just adding something different to, I think it's so easy to pigeonhole new cars into decks we've been playing, which typically works, but there's ways to really bring in some new heroes and villains into those decks that, play differently altogether. And so I'm not thinking he's gonna be a staple across the board. I just think that he's a huge piece chess piece that's gonna fit in a couple decks really well. Which is why I've got that three, three and a half ranking for him. But yeah fair conversation about it. I think in scream though, just in base shell scream, he's really cool as a tech piece too. Yeah, you're gonna get scream, going and you're gonna be able to move cards and hydros stop or a build up and whatever you want to do. But then you're also guaranteeing the lane where you don't have to worry about certain things happening, which is always great. Giving yourself a certified chance of, not having to deal with a three or four into that lane is. Shutting down a good amount of strategies that Dex have. There's a lot of, especially think about this in advantageous locations. That's one of the things I'm, I don't think people are thinking about enough. There's locations that are just like game winning ones that if you could land, you get going, whatever it might be, he could prevent that. And that really creates some cool opportunity from'em. Yes. It's random locations. You've got that. They have to do that'cause it's a two cost. Makes sense. But then we start talking about some of the cards that he works with. Now, I teased at the at my kind of cozy, spicy take. When we talked about this in the pre weeks a few weeks ago, was Red Wing. I think that's a very interesting card to play with him. Red Wing typically has been super hard to play. This is on Curve. Red Wing's, a three five, right? A and can play a card easily from your hand. So could that create some kind of cool, when I say Phoenix forest deck, some cool archetype new thing that we haven't seen before because we have a natural curve piece into it possibly. But also that he just works with a lot of the move stuff to get insane value for not doing much. I like him way better than something like Hercules.

Alexander Coccia: 12:01

I do feel that like the Red Wing capability is pretty high. Like you could come up with some sort of like mini move dump style list, which I think is cool. And that does work on curve, obviously. And while discussing move specifically obviously you have things like vulture that work well with Zorn. It won't work so well with something like a human torch, but Vulture specifically. And for that reason, I get to wonder if if you're playing move. Is Topaz strictly better because you have the ability to go directly to the center. Is Mme. Webb strictly better? And so I start to think about what move wants, and I don't know if Zorn is it. So then I start to think about, okay, if Move wants Topaz or if Move wants Mme. Webb, who wants Zorn? Do you lean into the disruption side? It's pretty cool that he like repels threes and fours, right? That could be particularly advantageous. However, at the same time it's only threes and fours and I don't wanna see this seem dismissive, but one's, twos, I. Fives and sixes are highly impactful cards of Marvel Snap. And so when you have such a narrow band of impact from a disruption standpoint, is it too little to be useful offensively? And is it too little to be useful defensively? You know what I mean? Is it just not quite enough? Like you have to pair it with something like a goose for true disruption. Is that something you'd even wanna do? You know what I mean?

Cozy Snap: 13:19

Yeah, that, that's definitely fair points. I think what I like is we've got a lot of solid thes and fours in the move category that can work. And namely, it's obviously the vulture or whatever are gonna be the big ones. But the repelling fact is there's plenty of threes and fours that create most of the strategies into the later game of Snap. And that's why I think, yeah, it's only those two, but those are some key turns as we've seen in the past. But yeah, I don't think you have to lean into it that hard. That's the thing. I think that he can get his value going for him, for what you're trying to accomplish. And then, whether that is, the true move deck and doing, the leaper with him, with, whatever, building into that way or building into a new tech piece. But yeah, so this is what I think is cool is as Alex would says all the time, it's entirely possible that. This doesn't work well, and you're right, he doesn't find that place. I just feel like the effect he's bringing at the cost amount that he is, feels really solid to what he's gonna bring to those decks.

Alexander Coccia: 14:11

He looks like he could be cool and I think he's staed appropriately as a two three with this ability. I just wonder if this text is actually good. You know what I mean? Yeah. I think that's what I'm trying to say. Like I wonder if this text in a game of Marvel Snap where like realistically as more cards get added to the game, like this is a problem that we're having where you get more cards out to the game. And the decks get tighter and tighter. And it seems like win rates are getting higher and higher. Cube rates are getting higher and higher. We're seeing a little bit of power creep here and there. And this text feels conservative, right? It just does not feel like, it doesn't stand out to me the way like surges text did, like surge stood out as okay, this clearly is going be really cool. Yeah. And search is leaps and

Cozy Snap: 14:51

bounds better than Zorn for sure.

Alexander Coccia: 14:52

Yes. There's no question about that. And that's I guess, what my concern is. However. Not, it's not to say that there might not be an interesting spot for this. Like I can imagine a scream variation of a deck that's utilizing Zorn and you could have something like a kingpin now, right? And you could, obviously knock things into the kingpin location. You could pull airings into the kingpin location. And what if you run something like a Diamondback? Because now you're able to put Diamondback in a location and a lot of things that it would hit are being like repelled into that lo specific location. Diamondback hits anything that's duffed, but I guess what I'm trying to say is I can see the viability here. I just, these decks are getting so tight and so hard. Like there we have a havoc deck that's cutting kitty pride, it's wild how the most minute. Difficult choices are being made around card selection. Yeah, it's true for very small gains. You know what I mean?

Cozy Snap: 15:43

You think you ever go with the Zorn into a storm shut down location kind of thing? Man, I still miss three car storms so much. It just feels, yeah oh, it's just crazy that that was such a reliable combo and so many different plays and avenues and I would've loved it. Imagine the curve.'cause the problem is right with the storm we have now is if you were to play him, then you play her on Ford, they have a chance to play. What the five costs and then that doesn't, nothing happens, right? But if she would've been a three cost, imagine Zorn into storm, yeah, you're gonna have your own storm move, but then you have Zorn there, so you have some power there and then you're probably playing a move deck. So then you really have a control aspect to play into this. And that's what you were saying. Okay. Does Goose, does cards that you could work here restrictive, really work into this? Potentially? Yeah, we'll have to see. I do think that, that vulture though is such a cool top deck that you can work out, that'll be fun. But overall, I'm not sitting here saying he is gonna be the best card ever. I think three star, though feels fair to what he might bring to that architect.

Alexander Coccia: 16:40

I can absolutely see him being a three star card. Now, there I did have a thought though. I think an interesting card to play on top of him could be Professor X, because if you think about playing Zorn down, it'll repel all the cards pretty much after those next turns, right? Like the threes and the fours. If you're able to just throw down a Pro X and just slap it on top. I think that could potentially, that's cool. Just catch your opponent off guard. That's cool because the profix will stick, and then like you've been repelling everything from that lane the whole time. That could be cool. And if you could even try something fancy like vo turn two, turn three zorn plus a one drop under.

Cozy Snap: 17:14

I like the Pro X point actually on a ton. It feels like under. Like the daredevil of old, it feels like that or the storm play even that is more like you have an actual shot and then it doesn't really mess up your gameplay too. Think about this, right? Obviously these hands and what the hell is this deck? But just let's say you go Zorn into like vulture, right? So vulture goes to another lane, boom, it's big power, and then you close that other lane off with prox. So then you have the big vulture you didn't really like your game plan was around the getting one of the other lanes. Zorn makes it random. So once that three moves or something happens, you commit to whatever that's gonna be at, right? And then you go from there and then you bam. Yeah. You lock out with the x. I think that's cool. I think that's a fun little build that you could pull off. Maybe you go storm in the other lane too with your four, then you could pick between lanes. Okay. They go in the storm lane, you can X that other lane off, whatever. You can build it into a control deck potentially. That'd be fun.

Alexander Coccia: 18:05

Yeah, it definitely could be. And I was even trying to figure out like. Could you do something cool with Gene Gray? But the only challenge there was that if you play Gene Gray into Zorn it, it moves, right? You'd have to play Gene Gray first. Then play Zorn on top of Gene gray, turn four alongside something else to be consistently or potentially consistently disruptive. But then they might just play a five six, right? They could play vision at the dom or something. So that's where I'm like, ah I don't know is this even disruptive? How

Cozy Snap: 18:33

cool would've been if this was an ongoing, after any three or four card is played here, move to another location.'cause then you could then potentially play this into ongoing decks to then work with that a little bit better. Like at least you get something going more. Would you have liked this as an ongoing card?

Alexander Coccia: 18:48

I'm not sure. Ongoings actually really good right now. Know ongoing spectrum is surprisingly legit. But with Zorn, I don't know, like I guess it would technically be better'cause this is not really an effect. We're stealing. Like you wouldn't rogue this, you wouldn't enc Chandler this like y you know what I mean? Yeah. And you would have the

Cozy Snap: 19:03

prox and the spectrum finish. You would have the synergy you just said. Yeah.

Alexander Coccia: 19:07

It would probably just be a straight up buff if it was ongoing,'cause it's just not worth stealing.

Cozy Snap: 19:10

That's yeah, that's the way I feel about it. But either way. Zorn, do you pull him? Do not like, listen, he's gonna be in the packs anyway at this point. He's not the worst thing to get. I think it's like one of those this is where it starts to feel weird though.'cause you go in, not to spoiler on Elixir, but you go in and you're like, okay, I'm gonna go for Zorn. You get Elixir and you're like, crap. And then you pull a can and then you get small. Yeah. And then you get Zorn and you're like, oh, I just used two packs for this. So that's where it starts to get a little bit. Little bit choppy, little muddy waters there. Anything else on, on store? I do think we're not talking about the Red Wing thing enough. I think there are some really cool, interesting builds honestly with that, that you could pull off that is like a new style of play that like potentially, and I don't, I'm just spitball, but it's alright, what does Red Wing do? Do? He can help ramp things out, cheap things out. It's okay. Do you build into that with ramp? With him as a two. Okay. I don't know, do you figure some stuff out where you try to get something rolling with the cheat outs? I think it's a cool possibility.

Alexander Coccia: 20:03

Oh definitely is for sure. And even with Red winging a lot of those like red wing dump decks, we're running Heim doll naturally anyways. They had bigger plays pieces to drop the pole, even have those Dracula dump style decks. Most certainly. And I was, while you were talking, I was thinking, I think I know what the title of my video is. You could even do it for the title of Snapchat, torn on Zorn. Man, that's what I feel like I'm torn on Zorn because I'm not exactly sure how to feel you want. This is a card where I know it's not surge. I know it's not Esme, to be honest with you. I think I actually have come to like Esme a lot. But where does it actually fall? It's close. Does, it's on that edge. It's on the fence. Is it worth getting or not worth getting And it's gonna be a close call, I think, with Zorn.

Cozy Snap: 20:41

Yeah, a hundred percent. Alright guys, that is our conversation on Zorn. With that, let's talk about the move cards before we go into all of them. Talking about the newest ones, right? In order. We did this not too long ago. It's been a couple more weeks. I want you to rank from the newest move cards that have come out. Your favorite to least favorite. Good, great. Or garbage Go. Topaz.

Alexander Coccia: 21:00

Topaz. Topaz is good. I think

Cozy Snap: 21:03

topaz is good. Let's do, okay. So I have greater garbage. Do we wanna, do we stick with good, greater garbage. Good. Great. Or garbage. Okay. I like it.

Alexander Coccia: 21:13

Is that, does it need like a fourth option? Good. Great Garbage. It is good. Mid good slash mid fine. Gaming, though mid is considered bad, so now I'm not even sure.

Cozy Snap: 21:24

Garbage. Good. Great. Goaded.

Alexander Coccia: 21:27

Okay. I can now I, okay. I'll try to remember all this. I'm gonna try,

Cozy Snap: 21:30

we'll add another one midway through just to spice things up.

Alexander Coccia: 21:33

Alright, let's start with bat Rock, the leaper. Oh, it's Gray Card, goaded card. I think. Bat. Bat. Is it Roc? It's, I think it's, I even, I get roasted no matter what I say with this stamp card. ROC The Leaper is goaded. I think the card's phenomenal for a one. I think for one it's so good. Yeah. Yeah.

Cozy Snap: 21:49

I think I, I'm gonna say Goed. I'm gonna say Goed too, I think. And we're talking with Move, right? Yeah. And or the grand aspect of things. That's fine. Go to Cool Topez.

Alexander Coccia: 21:58

Topaz is good. I think Topaz is probably underappreciated. My play experience with Topaz was relatively positive very reliable. Pretty good. Even in a, I didn't ultimately make the best versions of like bounce move or anything like that, but I definitely think it has potential. It's a good card. Hydros, stuper. I Hydros Stopper's Goaded. I think Hydros Stopper's great. Even in my review of it, I was like, yo, this car, it's gonna get no respect and it deserves so much better.

Cozy Snap: 22:20

Yeah,

Alexander Coccia: 22:20

hydros stopper legit casually gets to 10 power on a regular basis, just quietly. It just quietly crushes and no one really respects it like it is one of those silent winners. Of Marvel Snap. It feels like speed 2.0 where it's like you look at when you really analyze like untapped stats and you go through things, speeds, win rates, speeds, cube rates, and every deck with speed is always doing good, except it's never the most popular rendition of a specific deck. Like people are more willing to play decks that are worse and not have speed in them. Than the speed version. That's clearly better. Yeah. And I think it's because a lot of people just didn't commit resources to get speed because he's just not exciting enough. I think that hydros stopper feels a similar similar vein. It's dude, this card is so good that no one's really paying attention to.

Cozy Snap: 23:08

Yeah. I think I would say it's coated, I think for what you're getting out of it in the common stat lines. Yeah. I would a hundred percent agree there. I It's okay. Before we go into some of the other cards I don't know why we're not just showing'em on screen, but what is your, is move still a gimmick? Is it? Has it transcended if you play? If you learn it, could it be the best deck of the game If you master it, where's move at? If somebody wanted to get into it right now?

Alexander Coccia: 23:31

So move, bounce, I think has the potential to be literally rank one. It was at the absolute top of the meta and the most sweatiest of of MMRs. And that, that, is clear. But a very specific form of move bounce. So I think what happened was is they were very cognizant of the fact that when they released Madame Webb and they did all this stuff even with Toxin and Beast and all the changes they made, they were very. Scared. Scared of the well, what if they balance human torch on turn five and then turn six human torch taskmaster. And that's why they changed taskmaster to a six. I think that was one of the things that was concerned. And then they released frica, which was able to copy and absolutely go against you in human torch. And the reason why I bring this up cozy is because MOVE has a tremendous amount of tools now it has tremendously high win rate decks. It sees almost no play. There are gonna be people at the absolute top end of the meta that will play move, and that's fine. They're playing competitively and they're playing a good shell. But like the average person just does not enjoy that style of play. Like it's just that simple.

Cozy Snap: 24:31

I feel like if this game was more of more competitive, like way more competitive than we would see, move, get way more commitment. Like I think it ultimately, but yeah, to your point because at the very top end of play, typically the super high skill ceiling stuff is what people like to bring in. And especially, I always think this in like any type of a tournament play or anything like that. Unexpected okay, so if a tournament's, like an open deck list, right? What's your advantage there? Okay. Your advantage and what I would do, at least in an open deck list tournament, is I would play things that still gave me information that was hidden. Okay. Or that was not being able to be thought about. And so move can give you that option. That's why people like Bounce as well, but also it's why you see some kind of niche stuff sometimes in tournament play regardless and or that's what I would expect.

Alexander Coccia: 25:20

No, ab absolutely. If you want to commit to learning move, you have an incredible amount of power potential. Daggers and human torches get to asinine numbers, right? If I'm gonna be playing move, I'll be out. I'm playing human not human torch. I'm playing Phoenix Forest versions. I'm not playing the. Move, bounce stuff. I just don't like the play pattern or not. I'm sorry. I just don't. You're like Alex, why do you use this gun in Call of Duty versus the other guy? I just like this one better. I don't know what to tell you. I just like Phoenix fours better than the other styles. And and that's, I think totally fine. With regards to deck list, by the way, I will say I personally prefer closed deck. I've always so much more. Yeah. It's better. I think back to some of the most fun that I've had playing tournaments like even, like here it is, bringing it back when I was playing Kang, the amount of free people, you can't talk about it again, people.

Cozy Snap: 26:00

It's every day. It's, I swear, I feel like you talk to your wife about it. I feel like you're like, Hey, every night, you know what? We go to tournament. She's

Alexander Coccia: 26:08

Alex, is this the night we're gonna watch shutter Island? I'm like, actually, let's watch this replay ball. When we actually, lemme tell you about paying the concrete. It's

Cozy Snap: 26:15

yeah. Have you ever heard the story of Kang the Con?

Alexander Coccia: 26:19

Yeah. Have you ever heard the story of the time that I played Kang The Conquer, but outside of that? Okay, let's just ignore I said all that.'cause it's cringe. I get it. But I'm gonna go back to a closed deck list. I remember losing in a match against the molt. I. And the reason why I lost is'cause inexplicably he was playing move. Like we knew that Mott was the move guy, but he was playing an on, not an onside. I keep omega red, I almost forgot the card's name, omega red in a move deck. And I could never have ever, I. Predicted that he was gonna add that power across the board with an omega red play. Like I just never, and he won four cues off me and I was like, bro just played omega red. And that is what surprise cards do competitively. A

Cozy Snap: 26:57

hundred percent. I agree. I went back, by the way, and I was putting together a casting reel for doing some projects coming up and I was going back and I looked at some of the conquerors tournament dude. It's crazy they didn't lean into that. I, it is so wild that they did not lean into conquerors because I went back and watched I was grabbing some of the footage. I just thought it was really fun. So it, it was cool to see that kind of back in the a day. It's also crazy seeing how much simpler things were back then in Snap, especially and just in general, man, but, alright, next up, Irania. Irania was whoa, the car, where is she now? Good. Great. Garbage or goated?

Alexander Coccia: 27:34

You know what? She's probably just good. I'm gonna say good. She's not garbage. Yeah, she's not garbage. She's not garbage, but she's not great. Cannonballs. He's great. He might be goated, let's be honest. He's probably, he's minimum great.

Cozy Snap: 27:44

Yeah, I think he's Goated. C Marvel.

Alexander Coccia: 27:47

You always the move, you know what? I love this card so much. It's one of my absolute favorite designs. It bothers me that it doesn't work the way it should. If you have multiple, they should really calculate the wind condition by themselves altogether. But I like it. It's a great card, but it doesn't play like a great card.

Cozy Snap: 28:01

Where the hell is cloaked these days?

Alexander Coccia: 28:04

I don't know. He's invisible, isn't he?

Cozy Snap: 28:06

I think he is. He is in rifles. That's it. That's, yeah. That's the only place I've seen them. Yeah. Cloak is garbage. Yeah, just a garbage back in the day. I feel bad. Before was nice. I feel for CLO Ben,

Alexander Coccia: 28:16

every time someone picks cloak and dagger and rivals and we're in like the lobby waiting to go, like when everyone's just there's like we started in 60 seconds and everyone's just smashing VAEs and stuff like that. No one's ever just idling as cloak. They're always idling as dagger. And I wonder why

Cozy Snap: 28:32

That's what it does.

Alexander Coccia: 28:34

You can't change it. No. I mean you could switch, but I think it's the But

Cozy Snap: 28:38

Oh, you mean when you're waiting? I thought you meant in the bracelet like screen when you're like in the lobby.

Alexander Coccia: 28:45

I'm talking about when when everyone's just standing there and they're just putting sprays on the door. It's

Cozy Snap: 28:49

definitely the booty man. It's the goons man. The goons are strong. Yeah. Trons coming out. Did you see old Trons gameplay? It's sig, bro.

Alexander Coccia: 28:56

Yeah, I watched your video, dude, we just talked about this. You released like seven videos in four hours. What's this guy doing right now? It's my apparent, apparently not living life, apparently. Just grinding. Dude, it's something. It's

Cozy Snap: 29:06

up there as one of my favorite like releases Colossus, the. There he is. There he is. Side club. Let's move X-Men dagger, state of dagger plus two.

Alexander Coccia: 29:18

You know what, man? I've not played much dagger like ever since they changed it from like from the, it reduced the scaling. I'm not even sure. Yeah, I had and I honestly not even sure. It's probably still good. It's probably great. It's still probably puts a power. I just have not been played. I

Cozy Snap: 29:30

think it's great. I don't think it's goated anymore. I think it was Goated. But in balance. In balance is probably still very good for somebody who's a high iq, Dr. Strange, still think it's just a crime, what this guy does in this game, comparable to what he is, but move to the highest move highest power cards to this location.

Alexander Coccia: 29:46

Yeah, he's okay. This is one

Cozy Snap: 29:47

of those, gotta say it. Draft cards I think would be so fun to see in a draft game mode. Like out of nowhere you're playing, you're like, I got this guy beat. And then he like stranges you. No one would ever expect that. That's the only time he could be useful in that kind of a format.

Alexander Coccia: 30:02

We do, we have a card that'll strange or move the highest power card of an enemy. If they have a what? Like a Gigo in a location. Could you pull their highest power card to another location? Cannonball needs to come out. Cannonball. Yes. But Cannonball does it in the location. Dr. Strange will pull it to, oh, to a

Cozy Snap: 30:20

location. No, it doesn't do that. And we don't have one of those.

Alexander Coccia: 30:24

I guess Arrow does, but not really

Cozy Snap: 30:26

Now, what the hell is that? What is, why does it say you move, search, move. This is move.

Alexander Coccia: 30:31

These are all move cards. This

Cozy Snap: 30:32

is under the thing of move. There's like something missing here too. Ghost spider,

Alexander Coccia: 30:38

Ghost spider's. A good card. I it Is it great? I don't know like it's a huge enabler without ghost Spiders think's great. Is Dex feel absolutely awful. I think it's great

Cozy Snap: 30:46

if, but if the leapers go, I think it's great.

Alexander Coccia: 30:49

Yeah, because I mean it's without ghost spider, all those decks are way worse.

Cozy Snap: 30:53

IGEL six 10. I feel like they finally got this guy he still doesn't feel perfect. I love this variable, this variant. Oh, I know, bro. Back when no one had it too. Oh, I live it is a hundred dollars variant. I still, I've saved so much money not buying variants, bro.

Alexander Coccia: 31:07

I know. I feel so bad. I interrupted your talk just to say I love this variable. Honestly, I've been teaching way too much compsci lately. I just, I'm so confused. I don't, where am I?

Cozy Snap: 31:18

Moving on. I think Heim Dell, we still want to do left and right, but it is, out at this point, we're not getting that. What about Hercules? Man? Actually no. Wait. We didn't even say good grade garbage on this guy. What? What are we saying?

Alexander Coccia: 31:28

I think he's good. I don't think he's great yet. I think he's great. He should be great. He should be great. He's just not quite there yet.

Cozy Snap: 31:34

Dude, I talked about this guy coming to rivals. I'm like, I wish it would be so cool to have him with his big old. Old sword and whatnot. Hercules, good. Great garbage Goated.

Alexander Coccia: 31:44

Ah, he's garbage. Get him outta my face.

Cozy Snap: 31:48

The tone shift happened. I would agree. I would. I agree. Human torch,

Alexander Coccia: 31:53

Goated. This guy's goated. Let's be honest. This is so much power generation. This is such an insane scaler. Absolutely Goed. If you had another card that can get over a hundred powers, a one drop, it would be broken.

Cozy Snap: 32:03

Goed Hydro Bobb. No. Come on again.

Alexander Coccia: 32:06

Hi Iron Fist. How dare you skip hydration. Bombard the cart is goad, and it's, I tried to

Cozy Snap: 32:12

skip'em so fast that you wanna say the name and you found a way to just slip it in there anyway.

Alexander Coccia: 32:18

I think iron fist is good. I like iron fist. I think it's good. It serves a purpose. It's, it does the thing maybe, does it need to be a one three? I don't know. I always think about should the other move cards have a little extra power? And maybe should, like the human torches and daggers be toned down a little bit. Should we need a more balanced approach to power and move? I don't know, man. I don't play the archetype much.

Cozy Snap: 32:38

It's like discord has that right to do its enablers. But yeah, I think a one three iron fist I don't think breaks anything. That's for sure. Jeff,

Alexander Coccia: 32:46

I'm so sad. I can't believe this card is so irrelevant. I don't wanna say it's garbage. I don't wanna say it's garbage. Maybe

Cozy Snap: 32:52

he comes back with Zorn.

Alexander Coccia: 32:54

Why

Cozy Snap: 32:55

Professor x? I? Why? No idea. Juggernauts. Goated,

Alexander Coccia: 33:01

goaded. This is Goated. This is one of the best cards in the game. Hey, what's Jeff now? One of the worst cards in the game.

Cozy Snap: 33:07

No, dude, that's something that power crept out of existence. I think he's good. Where's Craven at these days?

Alexander Coccia: 33:12

Dude, Craven's crushing it. But cr Craven's only good because Sam Wilson is good. And the decks that want Sam Wilson don't mind having Craven. And then now Silk's coming back. So Craven's making a comeback. Craven's legit. It's legit.

Cozy Snap: 33:25

Yeah, like good. Great

Alexander Coccia: 33:26

garbage. What

Cozy Snap: 33:27

did you say?

Alexander Coccia: 33:27

Good. I would say great right now. Definitely great, but very meta dependent.

Cozy Snap: 33:31

Yo, I forgot Leach was a card.

Alexander Coccia: 33:34

Honestly, probably one of the best day and hips in the game though.

Cozy Snap: 33:37

Yeah. That you'll never, that you'll never see. Mme. Webb.

Alexander Coccia: 33:41

Mme. Webb, I've had a complicated relationship with Mme. Webb in the past. I will say that I think the card ultimately is probably closer to great. It really does add a lot to move, like it really made. Move viable in a way that other cards could never, so I do think that for move specifically, it's probably great.

Cozy Snap: 34:03

I'm gonna say Great. I do too. Would you wear as a one zero instead?

Alexander Coccia: 34:07

I don't know what I want. I don't play the archetype enough. I don't know what I want. It doesn't go into Phoenix Forest, so I don't care.

Cozy Snap: 34:14

Fair enough. Okay. I would say great though. Magneto, does he need something? I feel like he does. What was the last time to play Magneto?

Alexander Coccia: 34:21

What does he need though? He needs, first of all, he needs a hug. I think Magneto's one of those guys, like if a good hug would correct a lot of magneto's problems.

Cozy Snap: 34:30

What about the cards? He moves? He puts negative one on.

Alexander Coccia: 34:34

I think he needs a massive ring on his shoulders that gets charged as he absorbs damage, like

Cozy Snap: 34:39

throws a meteor somebody. Yeah. Do you think though, do honestly think, I think he's think might need

Alexander Coccia: 34:44

power.

Cozy Snap: 34:44

I think he's good. I think that he, no, that's what I'm saying. The negative one thing at least gives him power in a way.

Alexander Coccia: 34:52

What if he was a six 10 that stole one energy from every card he moved, so he can go to a potentially six 14, but he's displacing those cards, but also competing with them from a power perspective. I think that's better than a six 12.

Cozy Snap: 35:05

I like it. Because

Alexander Coccia: 35:07

he's moving them, right? He's the master of magnetism. Why can't he steal some power?

Cozy Snap: 35:10

They need to bring it back. When he moves

Alexander Coccia: 35:11

Wolverine in the movies and stuff, Wolverine's not enjoying it.

Cozy Snap: 35:14

But why do that when you could just release another magneto?

Alexander Coccia: 35:18

I guess that's true. Who smile is that? Miles is legit. We got so much stuff moving around now. He's just a free one. Six's a great ZO card. Remember? They buff, they muff miles. He was a one five or four five, I should say.

Cozy Snap: 35:30

This is a good Zorn card.'cause this is like anytime you can play him, because essentially it's like moving Jeff or whatever, like without having to do a commitment to the move per se.

Alexander Coccia: 35:40

Yeah. Yeah. You play Zorn. Turn two, skip turn. Three miles. Turn four on Zorn.

Cozy Snap: 35:45

Can you, yeah, can you, but can you, yeah. Can you play the one cost at miles at that point?

Alexander Coccia: 35:51

I Did you, I don't know if you, did you get my joke or no? I think you missed my joke. My joke, my was you play the forecast miles on top of the Zorn. It was a great joke. Obviously. I thought it was funny. I thought it was, that was a better joke.

Cozy Snap: 36:04

That was a better joke

Alexander Coccia: 36:05

on multiple man. I think the card's probably good, but on the lower end.'cause like the only place you're seeing much multiple man is ironically Phoenix Forest, which I managed to bring up a hundred times today. And even then, multiple Man is not the preferred avenue for Phoenix Forest. Generally speaking, I like to pull the human torch, move Phoenix Force around a bunch and then Zola for the double double clap. But like multiple man's a good fallback, don't get me wrong. It is but like outside of that, it just doesn't get the love it deserves. And I think part of it is one of the major challenges of the move is Snap is very constrictive space-wise and multiple man just dates way too much space and numbers get way too high for multiple man to be relevant.

Cozy Snap: 36:42

I like him. He's like my OG king. That's I can't ever like it, but yeah, I agree. I think. I mean as we continue to get these kind of like stat boosting cards, like it's helping them and we've got a lot of'em lately the more those come out, scream's coated, we already know. Scream's coated, don't have to do that. V where's vision at these days?

Alexander Coccia: 36:59

I love vision. I think vision's super underappreciated. He's just not fancy enough. Again, there's just so much tight complexities of snap decks these days. Synergy is through the roof. There's just not much there for vision anymore, despite the fact that I think he's a great card and

Cozy Snap: 37:14

vulture.

Alexander Coccia: 37:15

Let's be honest, Vulture's actually a good card like this card gets to tremendous power, relatively easy. Three nine, easily easy. One move, man. He is a three nine.

Cozy Snap: 37:22

This is let's be honest, this is such a good play with Zorn. It's crazy. And the fact that you can have, that's why I like him so much. The fact you have Zorn down at two and then you just need to draw vulture at any other point and you get yourself a three nine. Congratulations. That's awesome.

Alexander Coccia: 37:34

If you play vulture, then you play red wing next, like how much value could you possibly expect to extract from a single card?

Cozy Snap: 37:41

That's not bad. That's it. It's not bad. There you go.

Alexander Coccia: 37:43

See, it's better than Ironman. Zola. If you play vulture

Cozy Snap: 37:45

down, it moves over and then you figure that

Alexander Coccia: 37:49

Boom. Beautiful. I do like that.

Cozy Snap: 37:50

If you could try to design something for move to make it more fun and accessible, what would it be?

Alexander Coccia: 37:56

Damn. That's a hard question to put me on the spot with. What would I design for move to make it more relevant? Man, I actually don't know. I don't know. I don't play that archetype enough. And to sit here and be like, oh, I think it needs, this would be, I think, disingenuous. I feel like I. The most fun way to play move right now is ironically the scream disruption style move where you're moving your other opponent's cards for them. But maybe it's just it's locations. I think it's locations like, I, I don't wanna say we need an AAM mode where we get rid of, I. All the spots and increase, maybe there's a move card that allows cards to, to move like as an extra slot. What if there's a move card that ignores space restrictions in a location? That's one of the major challenges it has. And even the way, like you heimdall and like the position, the macro position of the cards matters, and then cards get rammed against each other and jammed and stuff. It's just, I think it's a space game and that's why the bounce variation is probably the best because it accommodates the space requirements so effectively it just. I think it's a design issue with Snap, like move and Snap itself might not be congruent with one another.

Cozy Snap: 38:58

I want a card I have that's six costed. That is, instead of Heim Dell, it's very low powered, but you play it down and everything's New York, so you can move around and shuffle whatever you want to on your side of the locations. Low power card. It's just the activation of it.'cause I feel like it's broken, but I feel like if it was low powered enough. What it does is it amplifies what I like the most about move and that's the unpredictable ness of it. And to be able to like place this guy here, and then that guy, they have to try to like process what you're doing.

Alexander Coccia: 39:30

I had this thought that they released this card, ISN thought it's, they're doing good idea. It's a cool idea, but they're like, Hey, we got this new card. It's Beyonce. And it's like, and as you play it, it does that New York song is that Beyonce, by the way, New

Cozy Snap: 39:41

York. I hate you. I thought this was a great idea and you hit me with that. Why I, it's a little, you saying? I'm just saying what if the card was signed? I don't dunno what I would do on the locations, put five in one and then I come up with what I thought was okay. And then you said Beyonce,

Alexander Coccia: 39:57

you basically No, you said, I'm gonna, I want Legion in New York is what you said. Okay. I'll give you credit. Your idea's. Good. I just think they should, the card should be called Beyonce and it should sing the song. I don't even know if Beyonce sings that song. This is okay. This is one of those moments where people are gonna tilt up, be like, I can't believe Alex confused Beyonce with whoever. And this is, I'm gonna be embarrassed. And it's you. It's not, I don know better. You guys think I do? I don't know better. I'm sorry. It's not Beyonce. I'm

Cozy Snap: 40:23

99% sure it's Beyonce's husband, Jay-Z, and then it's Alicia Keys.

Alexander Coccia: 40:28

Wait, that's their daughter?

Cozy Snap: 40:29

No. What the hell? No.

Alexander Coccia: 40:32

Okay, now I'm really confused. I don't know. Listen, so Alicia Keys is Beyonce's daughter.

Cozy Snap: 40:37

How did you get there? No, I said it's Beyonce's. And are these working? It's Beyonce's your property husband. Okay. Jay-Z. You know who that is? I've heard of Jay-Z before. Yeah he did the thing in

Alexander Coccia: 40:48

Lincoln Park.

Cozy Snap: 40:50

He did the thing with Lincoln Boy, like that's who Jay-Z is to you. Oh, you're the most white man. I know, bro. He did. Yeah, he did. But he did like way more than that back in the day. Now he's in Muddy water. You know

Alexander Coccia: 41:03

what, I'm confusing. Jay-Z and Ludicrous, because I was gonna say he does. He does like the BIT get out of the way song. That's ludicrous. Who do you fastest think the fastest three most important

Cozy Snap: 41:10

rappers are at all times. For all times. Who do I think are the three most important

Alexander Coccia: 41:14

rappers of all times? Eminem DMX Ice cube.

Cozy Snap: 41:20

Ice cube. Ice cube's a stretch. So Matt state of snap. Listen. All right. State of snap. Where are we at with the state of Marvel Snap Right now, if we were to talk about, so garbage good grade or goaded, we're snap right now.

Alexander Coccia: 41:37

Don't do this to me.

Cozy Snap: 41:38

No.

Alexander Coccia: 41:39

Don't put this on me.

Cozy Snap: 41:40

I'm gonna put it right on you.

Alexander Coccia: 41:41

Why? You gotta make me do this.

Cozy Snap: 41:42

I'm gonna put it on you.

Alexander Coccia: 41:43

You go first. Where do you think it is? Come on, man. It's good because it's, it's not goated, it's not goated. No, it's good. I don't think it's great.

Cozy Snap: 41:51

No, it's good. It's

Alexander Coccia: 41:52

gonna be between now and great now. It's definitely not

Cozy Snap: 41:53

garbage. It's definitely between grid and schemes a good it's between grid and Great right now. For sure. I think the really where it comes down to is you like, the core experience is great. The cards are great, the gameplay is great, and that's always gonna stay the same. Like I think we can all agree on that. I we wouldn't be, there'd be no reason for us to continue this podcast if we didn't thoroughly enjoy the game. Still, to me the thing that I just can't wrap my head around is, just the commitment to, to bringing newness to it. Like I feel like it's just outside of the cars. It's been stalled there. And it's obvious. It's years into it now, and I've played mobile game. It's just, it's a mobile game at the end of the day. I think that's what it's a mobile game and now that we've kind moved on from that's what it is. It never read anything else. That's what Snap is like. It is a great game or it is a mobile game. It's that's what it is.

Alexander Coccia: 42:38

It's a phenomenal game, and I'm concerned. There's a couple things I'm concerned about. The first thing is, like you mentioned, the cards do bring a lot of like pulse to the game, and that's Glen, and I wonder like what if Glen moves on? Then what, like then what, like I, I'm serious, like it sounds like a joke and I'm not trying to just pump Glen's ego. Like I, I do highly respect Glen a lot and I think that he's well respected even in the magic community. Glen's the, one of the absolute goaded people in car games. If Glen's or if they're like, you know what, we're gonna go into cruise control and Glen's no longer part of Snap. I'm concerned for that day, man, like I actually am. But I think that what they need to really do to correct course here is obviously the snap hacks was good, but I think that they, we need legitimate improvements to the game modes. We need, we just need to feel like there's love and care and attention going to the end, into the game. The SNAP team's obviously incredibly talented and I'm actually super looking forward to what they release next. Like whatever their new game is, there's rumors they're working on something. I'm sure they are of course, but it's gonna be an absolute banger. But they have an absolute banger here with a community that like it's been two and a half years

Cozy Snap: 43:44

they've been working on something. There's definitely, they've been working on something for two and half years. I can confirm that a hundred percent. That's what they're doing. I dunno the status of the game. I don't even know what the game's about. If someone were to ask you alright. I started Snap, I played the first two months of release. I'm coming back. What has come out since launch in Snap, outside of the cards,

Alexander Coccia: 44:02

basically Conquest mode, which I don't touch unless the variant is an absolute background. Like the mega of Sonic was that first

Cozy Snap: 44:08

comes to mind. I know there's more stuff, but first comes to this three years worth of content in this kit. Three years,

Alexander Coccia: 44:14

Card Mastery, which I'm not a huge fan of. I think your point's being proven here. Like I'm struggling here. Is there like, am I missing something? Of course I'm missing something. I'm

Cozy Snap: 44:21

not saying, I'm not saying this to be like negative Nancy. It's just this is no, I know you. This is where it's just like what has come out. Okay. And I can list some things like, bam, here we go. Albums, What was that thing that came out? Alliances one

Alexander Coccia: 44:33

of the most underutilized features in the entire game.

Cozy Snap: 44:35

Temporary game modes. Okay.

Alexander Coccia: 44:37

Okay. No, actually, I will say the temporary game modes, for the most part are a nice pulse of every Exactly. But you didn't think about'em right away,

Cozy Snap: 44:42

and you play every day. And it's still cool to see how great of a community this game has. And like I, I love it. I'm so grateful to how great this game still is and that we make content on it. I think it's always you know what it feels like to me, bro, it feels whenever you have a really good roster on a sports team, actually, dude, this gonna hit home with you with the leaves. But like the Patriots, if like we had a really good roster and we didn't win the playoffs, or we didn't like we, we fell short of our expectations, I'd be like. Damnit, look what we had. Look at. We had that. We could've done it. And then it's too late. It doesn't matter. It was too late at this point. But look what we did have, and so it's that's where I feel like I still love the Patriots, but man, we didn't win that year or whatever. And it feels like there's two years that Snap could've, really ran home with some cool stuff and just did it. Where do I see, I think this game's gonna be around for a very long time. I, I still. Stand by that. I still think it's yeah, I still think it's, the best digital game to play. Pokemon Pocket did 1 billion in revenue, so I, it definitely is not making the most or anything, but it's still a very great game in, in that, I. Ecosphere different games, different strokes for different folks. But that I, does that make sense? Is that fault? And this is not like a doom and gloom conversation. I think it's more just like a two bros chatting about the game they love.

Alexander Coccia: 45:50

No, I know. And I think that's something that people often miss the mark on, where it's they give us heap because oh, these guys, they don't love the guy. I saw comments like that too, and I'm like, man, like the only reason why we're still here is'cause we do love the game. True dude. Yeah. That's the only reason why we're I love you more, to be honest with you, and I'll talk to you about anything you want. Marvel Snap can disappear and my desire to speak to Cozy Snap will still remain. But yeah, we do love this game and when I'm just sitting by myself, whatever, and I wanna play something, I boot up Snap and I don't play meta stuff. I'll play Silver Surf. I'll do whatever. I find my way to enjoy the game. I, and I think that most people have to do that. And, but it, what you're talking about I think is so true. Like when this game released, if I can go back in time, I would've flown out to, where, into California, wherever that they're from. And I'd say guys, hire someone for organized play. Hire an organized play manager. Get the scene going. Now let's get an X expon tournament, the iron Todd, man, let's get

Cozy Snap: 46:41

the Avengers only tournament everybody in right now. Let's Yeah, exactly. Build the base behind it. Let's get, creators involved where you can and do what you can There. And regardless let's make it, oh, hey, 80% of the game's casual. Hell yeah. Let's lean into these things, right? That can make it fun for for casual play to so I, I think that the ceiling was built there and that's where they went, with it. The game is incredibly successful. Ben Broad will always be a genius in my eyes. I will talk if I'm ever on a stage one day I will credit him for just the genius that he is. But yeah, so that's the thoughts. I, so like, where can it go from here? What can change? It's okay, so they're trying to do more tournament stuff. Awesome. That's gonna take some time. But I think that would help if they go that direction. We'll stand by it. And the one thing they have going is the new cards are always good, right? And just like rifles brings new heroes, those are gonna hit, new cards are gonna hit period. They're gonna hit, they're gonna do good. But it's, the stuff around it. So excited to see the potential, what they could bring. And hopefully they bring it, buddy.

Alexander Coccia: 47:37

I agree. I I'm. Cautiously optimistic for the future. I would like to see some major changes and I hope they deliver on it. I do.

Cozy Snap: 47:44

You know what? I think the being cautiously optimistic is great. What I wanna do is ask the com, we get one thing we get awesome on the Snapchat is insanely good comments. I. What do you, so like guys, is Snap being just a casual game what you want? Awesome. Because I would agree. I think that's fine. I think that's how I would want as someone who wasn't making content. Do you want Snap to, what do you want the most from Snap Period? I just wanna know I would love to know what you want the most from Snap putting down below. Maybe we'll talk about it at the week to follow.

Alexander Coccia: 48:14

Cozy. I gotta tell you, man, it's been an interesting week in Marvel stuff. No it hasn't. I Elixir came out and I know that we always talk about alright guys, like we don't want cars to be completely like meta warping and meta shaking and stuff like that. But when SRG came out I was like, yo, I'm actually excited to play Marvel Snap. When Esme came out, which was, I actually at the same time SI was like, yeah, I'm actually excited to play some Marvel Snap. And then Elixir came out and I was literally streaming playing this card. And you know what I wanted to do? Anything else? Anything else? Then play this absolute dog fecal card. Dude, I'm telling you right now, this might be one of the worst cards I've ever released and not worse in, in the case of oh, martyr actually actively makes you lose the game. This is a card that like, bro, like why, like, why release this? This card is so dog shit that I adamantly recommend that you dodge it. Do not get this card, do not go forward at all. It is so unbelievably bad. It's just, I don't know, man is that my review? 44% win rate, 5% popularity, negative 0.3, three cube, almost half of a cube gone every single time. You even attempt completely to me,

Cozy Snap: 49:17

way too many restrictions, bro. Who was the last anytime we get next turn and last turn and stuff, typically it's so like war machine. Before he got his thing was the, you can move cards. The next turn, then nothing can change. It sucked because it's so limiting. And this is the same thing. It's like it just doesn't work. It's crap elixir. We knew it. We knew he was gonna be bad. At least we nailed it. But yeah, this is definitely just this is like opening up a physical card pack and pulling like a football card when you opened up magic cards. It's just like what? We do nothing with this. So I yeah man. I think we could both safely say wolf just, ugh, hated him.

Alexander Coccia: 49:54

Yeah. This card is like when you open up a pack of cards and not even like a token, like you know when you get a token and magically sometimes some card games, you open up a card pack and inside will be like a thank you for opening. Here's a treasure card. And you like, you're like. And you just throw it out or you just fold it in half and throw it in the garbage or something like that. That's basically what it is. Elixir's so bad. I don't even want to talk more about it. It's just, it's absolute garbage. It's probably gonna, no, here's the fun, fun fact. It's gonna get buffed. It's gonna be like buffed to the point where it's like they got rid of the last turn restriction and then it's gonna go absolutely insane and everyone's gonna wish they had it. Then they're gonna get mad at us for saying it was bad. They're definitely gonna offer buffet it.

Cozy Snap: 50:30

That's the only thing about getting it is you know, they're gonna do something to this card. They're definitely gonna buff this card. No, there's no way They don't.

Alexander Coccia: 50:37

And there's also Kid Omega, like you actually talked about it at length, right? Last week, where like really, this is probably a kid Omega card. Yeah. And when that card comes out, there's a chance there's an opportunity for them to be tested together. I almost wish that if they're gonna do the Kid Omega thing during a, like a weekly event or like a game mode or whatever, should have released Elixir then. He doesn't look, release him at the same time, so at least we can test it or something like that. Because as it stands right now, like I, I don't even wanna talk about the card, so I'm good to move on. But actually on that note, there is something I wanna talk about. It's unrelated to Snap, but I just gotta bring it up. I just gotta bring it up. Okay. I don't know if you've experienced this yet or anybody that's, listen, this is for you guys too.'cause I need to know if you guys have seen this so cozy. Your family's very young, so you haven't quite had the Oh, my kid's in school and all the stuff other kids are saying or like influencing what they say and how they speak.

Cozy Snap: 51:27

No, I dread that. You

Alexander Coccia: 51:28

haven't figured that out yet. No. Or you Not that you haven't figured out. You haven't experienced that yet. Let me just tell you a quick little story. So I came home the other day. And both my, like young, so I have three sons and a daughter. My daughter's like on her iPad, like she's doing something. The two middle ones. So they're six and three. They're running around and they're like screaming mozzarella, cappuccino, preci past, like she's, they're screaming all this stuff and I'm like,

Cozy Snap: 51:52

this kid, what? The TikTok kid? The short skid.

Alexander Coccia: 51:55

I'm like, what? And then so it has be, my wife's what? I'm like, why are they yelling all this Italian garbage? My wife's oh, that's just the Italian brain rot. She's that'll be gone in a week. And I'm like, what? What? What are you talking about? And she's oh, there's this thing. All the kids everywhere. Even in my school, she's a junior kindergarten teacher. She's like, all the kids are running around just yelling Italian nonsense. It's like the new cool thing.

Cozy Snap: 52:16

No, there's a short, there's like a kid that blew up. My wife showed it to me. I don't understand this, I don't know the source material. My east toast. And like when I met my wife or I'm from the south, I was like, Hey would you like to go, maybe get like an espresso. She's oh yeah, a little, some coffee. I'm like, whoa. What did you just say? What? So like this kid goes on there and he's it's not mozzarella. It's mozzarella. And here's one thing that like. I don't wash shorts. I don't wa I don't watch or consume TikTok or anything like that. And it's not'cause I think I'm better than you just'cause again, I avoid things that I know I'll be addicted to heavily. And I know like once or twice I'll get, I like, oh, YouTube shorts and then I'm on there 30 minutes. I'm like, Nope, nope. Devil, go away. Go away devil. So this kid blew up, my wife showed him to me and he like just, he's it's not mozzarella. It's mozzarella. And like he, he does this, he blew up overnight. He has, this guy has made more followers and money than both of us have in our entire career.

Alexander Coccia: 53:08

That's a good thing. That's, you know what, that, it just, it reassures me so greatly to know that this Italian brain rock kid has popped off harder than years of our hard work or expertise. You know what? Honest, honestly, that's the internet, man. I'm not even mad. You might think I'm mad. I'm not. It's, this is what I expect to happen, bro. You know what I wanna show you. I hope you put on a clip of that that that Pokemon Go everyday kid.'cause that's another kid that blew up for all the right reasons. I hope you pull something awesome here. It don't be too long because I don't wanna edit this.

Cozy Snap: 53:37

My mother-in-law, it does she helps people with like garage sales and stuff, like tag sales and things that they call'em with her. And she's she hit me up. She's did you play yugi as a kid? I'm like I dabbled. I dabble a little bit. I dabbled in you, Neil, and she's I found this entire binder that's in pristine condition. Do you want it? And I was like, first of all, the answer's always yes. Like the answer's never. Yes. Yeah, always. Oh, always. I sleeved him. What did I put'em over there, bro. This baby had it's every OG like perfectly done. Every OG Yugi card in prime condition. First of all, this thing's worth thousands of dollars, which is just dope, but I'm not getting rid of it. But look, I got got my dark magician in there. I got blue eyes. Whoa, bro. I got, that's awesome bro. It's a whole binder full of all the OGs. And what's awesome is I had, I just finished my collection of all the Pokemon and this Judy, it had all the Zos guys, my friends out there. It had all, it had a pot of green. Anyway, I thought that was really dope and it was fun to, it was so cool to go blast to the past. And you know what else is fun is seeing every card game did stuff to like cereal and like stamp when it was made, where it was from and everything. And like I learned about Yugo, it's got this little seal at the bottom. Is it silver? Is a grays and then it's got a serial code. Oh, there's a movie release, bro. I've learned it all and now I'm like in memory lane of Yuki over here.

Alexander Coccia: 54:56

I actually did not play much Yugi. I played the digital client a little bit, but actual classic yugi I had not played much of. But this story reminds me of the stories that you'll hear every once in a while, like once a year, there's always someone on like Reddit or something that's I. Was at a garage sale and saw this for$3 and it's an OG case of like magic, the gathering. Like seven, seven. Oh yeah. Always. It's crazy. Some lady came out oh, this was my, second husband's card box and I don't know what's in it, but if you got three bucks, it's it's worth. That 400 grand. It's that kind of stuff happens. Oh, also, by the way, everyone who's here for Marvel Snap content in shambles, I can't wait to see the guy. Do you know there's that one guy who for some reason I'm not banned from the channel yet, that really gets mad. Every single time. We're every time talking about Marvel Snap.

Cozy Snap: 55:42

I'm just like knocking a talk about it. These are all my magic cards I'm trying to find, coach's

Alexander Coccia: 55:45

no, I wanna keep talking

Cozy Snap: 55:46

about magic. No, bro. You know what I was trying to find is I also, in this exact binder, it was at the very end, there's this Misty card, Misty from Pokemon, but Japanese. And I was like, why is this in here? And it was like in a little like case, a special case. My buddy told me that this card's worth a lot of money. And I'm like, why? It's'cause Misty doesn't have any clothes on it, but it's shadowed. So they didn't release it in the us So now I have some rare piece of. And then also, I have a GRR card in here too. Alright. You know who Grr is? Does that hit you at all with the Pokemon? Yeah. Yeah, the little, yeah. Yeah. He's like the, he's he turns into muck. Yeah. So there's another one where he's in a sewer looking up. He's like that card's worth a lot of money. And I was like, why? Because there's a girl with a skirt and it looks like he's looking up the skirt. This is what people pay for.

Alexander Coccia: 56:33

And I'm glad you saved the HEI conversation For my side of Snapchat,

Cozy Snap: 56:37

it's. It's more, I just thought this was unique stuff. I have two Japanese cards. They are for sale. No. I dunno what I'm gonna do with these. Yeah, there's all yugi cards. And then this one guy's body who just had this, I was like, what is this? So anyway, I thought that was cool.

Alexander Coccia: 56:53

They should do a cozy variant of this grandma where all the cards that are floating in the air are like, it's like the grr like sewer one and like the misty nude one and stuff like that. That's, it's so unfortunate, cozy that this had, this conversation had to happen here. Cozy. We gotta talk about the best cards in Marvel Snap that no one is playing. Now what we did here was we wanna take a look at cards that have very high win rates. Surprisingly high win rates, but very low play rates. And some of these will surprise you. Like we might bring up a card or two. You're like, Alex, I. We thought, I think everyone's playing that, but it's no, actually, statistically they're not. It's just been a very good deck that maybe no one's playing, but there's also some absolute bangers in here, individual cards that have incredibly high win rates that are seeing no play. So I'm gonna start off with a bit of a fun one here, a very fun one. It's not that fun. Ever since the change to Sam Wilson, Cole Obsidian has had one of the absolute lowest play rates in Marvel Snap, and yet disproportionately one of the better. Win rates. It has a 53% win rate across all games post infinite and less than a single percentage of play. And this was a card that was dominated with the Sam Wilson synergy because the Shield was a place for you to play co obsidian. This card has since completely disappeared, even though Thanos is everywhere, and if you're playing Thanos, cold City is an easy 10 power to put down. So I ask you, cozy, why aren't we playing Ian?

Cozy Snap: 58:18

That's the question. Dude, I don't know. I feel like once he was removed from the Sam Wilson thing, everyone's like, all right, I'm done. It's like copycat was still good, but people just didn't wanna play it after they they tainted her. I don't know. I always love this conversation'cause I feel like it's oh, I should just be playing these cards more, but am I gonna play more cool after this? I don't know. Maybe, probably not. But why? Is it because of the condition area? Is it just because it can feel bad but not often?

Alexander Coccia: 58:41

It's true. In theory, the strange Supreme is giving the suck to all the stones, and so Culp City might lose an opportunity to be able to play somewhere. And then the other version of Thanos is going to be the ongoing card version, and Culp City does not fit in that. So maybe that is a factor there and goes, you wanna throw one more at you? This one even has a higher percent win rate, but it has slightly more play rate at 3%. The win rate is 54 point half, almost 55%. And this is Man thing. It's one of the highest percentage win rate cards in Marvel Snap, largely due to the popularity of Thanos ncs, only 3% of play. Are you kidding me? That's, this card is incredible right now.

Cozy Snap: 59:21

That's insane. That's crazy actually. I don't think I knew. Especially when you get that with a card that has the punishment that you can have with something like Maning. That's crazy. We don't see affliction cards ever get super high in win rates because of that. Which means the people that are playing it are just good players. And it also means that if you are knowing what you're doing with it, it punishes. Yeah. They openly talked about Thanos on a question and answers. Glenn addressed it. He's no, we're not gonna do anything right now.'cause there's plenty of stuff to hard counter it at the moment. And we think it's in a fine place and obviously it is affliction and what that can pull off. That, that blew my mind. Question for you. Have you been playing so on lately? No, I've not, I feel like so on is one of those that they changed. Everyone was like, yeah, this is awesome. And then we didn't hear Boo. I didn't play it much after and it, but it was doing

Alexander Coccia: 1:00:08

well, dude, I'm so glad you brought up so on, because it's currently running the second highest win rate in Marvel Snap as an individual card, according to untapped post infinite stats only at 54.8%. That's its win rate. And its play rate is 1.5%. That's

Cozy Snap: 1:00:26

crazy. 1%. That's wild man. Elixir had 5%.

Alexander Coccia: 1:00:31

I know. That's'cause it's Elixir Week and everyone's I got this card. Let's cope. Let's cope and hope together. But no, Saron is legit. One of the absolute poster. Boy, I honestly, should I put SAR on the thumbnail? Yes. I think I gotta put SAR on the, put him on almost a 55% win rate at 1% play rate. Second best statistical card in the game according to untapped 1% play rate. And meanwhile, cards like Sam Wilson are almost 30% still right. And it has a almost 5% lower, 4% lower win rate. It's like just above 50 range ish. That's mind blowing. Crazy. Yeah, absolutely. Mind blowing. So I love that call out and if we're talking about the second best, do you actually want to know what the highest win rate card of Marvel Snap is? Right now with disproportionately the lowest play rate hit me. It's Abomination. Abomination, believe it or not, according to one Tap is running a flat 55% win rate and only sees 3% play. Now, the way that Abominations currently being played is there is a high evolutionary toxic shell, which is crushing Thanos list. And what they do is they basically put a ton of blanket power on the board. You'll get a an abomination for free. Perhaps you're playing man thing in that deck as well, and then you slam an Ajax or whatever and you're literally playing Evo for just abomination. The EVO package is Evo and Abomination, just those two. Nothing else. Just to get that free abomination as a slam down 55%, that's its win rate, 3% play.

Cozy Snap: 1:01:56

Goodness. That's crazy. I. First of all, it's so funny to think that you could play Abomination Knot in that deck. What is he gonna do? But also yeah, dude, that was always like, abomination was always the card that was like so fascinating. Even back when they released Hi Evo, and we tried to make him work. We thought like he's just gonna go really crazy. But now there's been so much to enable him. I'm shocked by that. I'm more shocked by 1% on Soran, I'll be honest. But I'm shocked by abomination being the top.

Alexander Coccia: 1:02:20

Yeah, what surprised me about the abomination is that like it's, you wouldn't think that it's good enough. You can get stature almost free. Stature obviously is like not quite as powerful or as free as abomination can be. But is a zero nine really that impactful? The answer is yes, like it is a zero. Nine is in crazy impactful, especially when you're doing all that negative synergy and negative impact on the opponent's board. So it is crazy what it's doing and yes, just like Sauron is completely off the metal right now, considering how good it is. And it did just get a power injection not only with Star brand, but obviously the change of cost to eron from a three to a two, which is absolutely huge. Now Cozy. Another card that we need to talk about, and it's similar to Sauron, where I was like, it was a bit of a flavor of the month and it got nerfed very heavily. Guys, it's Serer running a 54.6% win rate and a identical 1.5% play rate to Sauron. So another card with a very high win rate, but almost little play cer, what are your thoughts? Cozy. Good.

Cozy Snap: 1:03:22

Like I feel like he was all over the place for so long that it's like something I didn't want to see for a while. And we, I really don't even feel like we were that far removed from that, like that was only a couple months ago at this point. It's already almost June, which is freaking wild. But I feel like. If you're gonna play it. It's a stupid good, strong card still. Like it's still, it's so funny'cause it's one of those that even though it got hit nine times in an OTA, like it's still just based value, insanely strong and will always continue to get strong as we continue to get more cars that can do great effects of great power. What was the popularity again?

Alexander Coccia: 1:03:57

1.5% cozy, identical to Saron.

Cozy Snap: 1:03:59

Yeah. That's wild. That's actually considered, it's probably like 30% all a few months back. Yeah.

Alexander Coccia: 1:04:04

And it surprises me too,'cause very similar to Thanos, like the statement you said Glen had made, I felt like Serer had lots of counters. Like you could punch this card out, you could shadow King it like there was a lot of answers. It was just everything else. And I think what ultimately hurt it was the change to Scar going to a Seven Power and Act thing. But we haven't seen the Scar hella stuff anymore. I know that's interesting. I know dude,

Cozy Snap: 1:04:23

scar, the scar, Hey day was fun because Scar was like. That was crazy. Scar had combine everything. You know what's wild is how popular Mobius has become too. Like just with yeah. Having to like have to have him now. Not have to, but like just, he is way stronger than he was even just six months ago.

Alexander Coccia: 1:04:39

Moby's and Moby, is that Yeah.'cause first of all, I think Esme is good, but also even small things like getting Thanos to five cost with the time stone, that, that's a really good five power play. Especially when you have something like a soul stone on the board and like now Thanos is indestructible. Yep. You have, you can play'em anywhere. That is a really good play on five Doesn't surprise me. A card that's seeing absolutely no play. By the way, shadow Tomoto, did you guys forget that card existed? That's a damn shame. Cozy. Is there a card that you want to throw our way?

Cozy Snap: 1:05:04

Alex? I'm gonna say the card that we already talked about a bit on my side, Zorn is scream. They have addressed this card. A ton, but it only has a 5.5% play rate, which seems extremely low considering this thing is still one of the most annoying and just insanely disruptive, great cards within Snap and enables, and there's so much to play around it now, why? Why is that such a low play rate?

Alexander Coccia: 1:05:31

It's funny'cause I just literally did my meta overview video and scream was once again, number one. Number one, and it was the silk hy hydration Stomper variation. And yeah, you're right, it's running a 54% win rate. Basically it's 53.8 according to one tap, but a 50 point, a 5.5% play rate. That's way too low. Imagine if the best deck in the game is only running a 5% play rate, like that's actually insane. It's a bit of a statistical outlier in the sense that yo, this deck is phenomenal. Yet, only 5% of people wanna play. Meanwhile, Thanos, everyone wants to play Thanos for some reason. And the card is significantly weaker compared to The Strange. Supreme is not putting up numbers like scream as Yeah, it's wild. It's like at 51% or something like that. Like it's not nearly as high as screams because it's more one dimensional. Like

Cozy Snap: 1:06:17

what? What is it that, is it just more one dimensional? So it's not as, it might just

Alexander Coccia: 1:06:21

be the new hotness, like people don't wanna play Scream'cause it's not hot anymore. There's just new fancy stuff to play. Why would you play Scream. When you can play search, you can probably place them together, honestly.

Cozy Snap: 1:06:32

Yeah, fair enough. And that's why it's I think that people get caught up with like new cards, new meta. It's like you could still play stuff that was just out not long ago and it still dominates.

Alexander Coccia: 1:06:40

And there's a couple other cards I think that are worth mentioning here. Now the next one we're gonna bring up from a win rate perspective is phenomenal at a 53.8% win rate, but it offers only a 4% play rate, and that's Ajax. Now in the case of Ajax, what I think is actually happening here is that I think this is a resource scarcity issue. People have very often not wanted to invest in something like an Ajax, despite the fact that it has been consistently one of the top performers. We actually recently this past week had a non Ajax affliction deck running Malkuth doing a pretty good job because of the prevalence of Thanos. But overall, Ajax has been tremendous, but like those decks, despite their win rates have never penetrated the meta from a popularity standpoint, because I think that a lot of people had, like Ajax was one of the cards we lose in spotlights. We were supposed to get Ajax in a spotlight. But then the spotlight disappeared in favor of the snapbacks.

Cozy Snap: 1:07:33

I think it's, I think honestly it has to do with just the same thing with move affliction can be scary to mess with. And I think that at the end of the day, and what you just said, like getting all the stuff needed for it, which is also move, like move gets better, the more stuff that you can help with it. And so both these are like really strong archetypes that aren't strong until you really power it up. And at that point you are investing in one thing. And we just talked about it last week where it's like. That can do multiple things is what's important and to invest in. And so that's probably the reason behind it. But it is wild considering how long it's been dominant.

Alexander Coccia: 1:08:07

Yeah. And a special shout out here to close out the conversation on Gorgen, who's running a nearly 53% win rate at only 3% popularity. If you don't like Thanos and you don't like created cards, Gor is a good option and it is statistically doing pretty well. Cozy, just like. The plethora of questions we received for our Snapchat mailbag, my friend. We got a lot of, listen, there were so many comments. I. About the about the look back, the way back. Look back that we did. And I have a couple. So the first comment here is actually a collection of them. Kerman said, by far the most I've ever laughed at a Snapchat episode, these takes were hilarious, followed by Kid Ghost, who said at 42 minutes, Alex, that turn four Iron Man turn five Zola segment had me literally in tears. Evan laughed this hard watching Snapchat in ages. With the Afro Fluff, longtime supporter of our content, saying, Alex hitting the Oh Humanity pose every time his past self said some insane takes. Cozy. I want to say, first of all, not only do about Alex Love tremendous. Yeah, A lot of, yeah, you're funny. Yeah. A lot of fun and a lot of love for that thing. But I want to also say cozy that the people don't know how much extra work you had to do. To even get that segment going. Do you want to talk about the, this plethora of overcome, I'm trying to forget it. Overcome. I'm trying to

Cozy Snap: 1:09:31

forget it. All of the reaction stuff, guys lost the audio. All of it. So not us, but the stuff we were watching. So how, Hey, how do you fix that? You have to replay it at the exact spot. Oh wait. But we stopped and paused it multiple times. Hours. Hours of work. 5, 6, 7 hours to get that thing out. It was great. All nighter. Can't I just. I wanna move on. But I will say this, I rewatched it, bro. Multiple times. I was cackling bro. Cackling, rewatching that entire bit. And I think the most fun thing about it, and if we do that again, is that we just pulled up random stuff and we just kinda let it play. And that was so fun.'cause we had no idea what to expect. And just like the confidence that we had in our prior takes, like the whole thing was funny. But I, man, I left so hard. Did you play the Shauna deck?

Alexander Coccia: 1:10:18

No I actually started building it though, and it doesn't look that

Cozy Snap: 1:10:22

bad. Voa. Turn three. Ironman turn five Zola or four Zola. Five. Shauna. Six

Alexander Coccia: 1:10:31

Checkmate. Boom. With squirrel girl. Yeah, check.

Cozy Snap: 1:10:34

Easy dubs, eight cubes, Zeck, as you described it.

Alexander Coccia: 1:10:38

Yeah. But honestly, that, that whole segment was a ton of fun. And even just getting a chance to look back at our formal former selves was absolutely great. And then, man, the amount of comments we received about this topic as well. And rest assured friends, no spoilers ahead, Royal Nerd Gaming, said, I can't believe Alex stopped playing exactly where he did in Expedition 33. I will say no more and cozy. I will say that Expedition 33, I have since passed that part. Absolutely mind blowing turn of events in that game. It continues to be one of my absolute favorite games I've ever played in the very long time. Gets my absolute most incredible recommendation I can give and I continue to play it. I'm progressing pretty far. I almost wish I could, we could do, we should do like a spoiler cast where we just talk fully about Expedition 33. That was one of it's just so good. That

Cozy Snap: 1:11:26

was one comment of I, there's a thousand more in there about it. About just how people are usually like, talk about Marvel snap. What are you doing? 80% of the comments where people are just like, preach. Yes, goaded. And I love that. It is, it's absolutely great. If you haven't played it by now, what are you doing?

Alexander Coccia: 1:11:44

You know what, I had this thought as well with regards to Expedition 33. So there's a moment in it. I'll just say there's a moment under a tree, right? For those that have played it where I felt so connected to the characters and I had not experienced that in a long time. And I think that, like I thought back to my earlier self years and years ago, I hadn't felt that way since I played mass effect three. I remember playing Mass Effect three in that same emotion that I got playing that game. I finally felt for the first time since then in Expedition 33, and I was like, I forgot I could even feel this way while playing a game. I think that as we grow up, like our ability to suspend our disbelief and allow ourselves to get fully drawn into a game world. I think that like we almost forget to do that sometimes. I don't know if I have, or if anybody else does this. That's what say last week.

Cozy Snap: 1:12:32

You're catching up. Yeah. To what I was saying last week.'cause you're just now getting to where I was hoping you would get to. What I put in a nutshell, bro, is I said I don't even hate game stories. Like I think there's times where I'm like, I'm not invested in stories. It's no story making sucks in games. I think 80% of stuff is slump and 20% maybe even that, maybe 10% is truly insane. This was the 1% like this story. It changed my view, it's the same as like how movies used to hit so much harder and then you're just like, oh, a lot of movies now just suck. But then it's like you look back like inception and they're like, whoa. So I'm so glad. And what I love is I know where you are and you still nowhere. So I, we'll reserve it because we, I can't wait to talk to you when you We do, you know what, we're just gonna do a full spoiler. A full spoiler thing on this game.'cause I need to hear like things you've thought, choices, you made all of it.

Alexander Coccia: 1:13:24

Okay. That's good. Maybe we'll have to put that put that on the the agenda for some other conversation as we go to our next to topic of, I almost don't wanna bring this up, but I'm going to because it came up last week Matt saying, I know all Leaf fans expected to lose, but it, did it surprise you to get stomped out like that? Cozy. You even messaged me during period three. It was like, man, woof. I was like, they were down like six, nothing or something like that whole

Cozy Snap: 1:13:48

thing disappoint, and I was doing something. I'm like, oh, I wonder how the leads are going. I was like. If it helps though, the Panthers are doing good. Right now they're still crushing it. How dare

Alexander Coccia: 1:13:56

you

Cozy Snap: 1:13:56

Don't even bring it up. I wasn't talking about No, it doesn't. No. The hurt goes down 10% when you lose the champions though. So you now you need to be the biggest Panthers fans. Like you gotta hope they win it all.

Alexander Coccia: 1:14:05

That's very hard. You want me to cheer for the Florida Panthers? I don't know if I can do that. Like I can do that. Bitch. You don't cheer from him. You're just

Cozy Snap: 1:14:13

like, okay, we lost the chance,

Alexander Coccia: 1:14:14

you know what was hilarious by the way? I was at Costco and as I am all the time, I was wearing my map leaf sweater and an employee, I swear this is a hundred percent true. Walked by me. He was like, yo, he's that's the Costco Maple Leaf sweater. I'm like, yeah, of course it is. It was one that Costco carried a couple years ago. He's great news. You can return it, buddy.

Cozy Snap: 1:14:32

Yeah. Yeah. I thought he was gonna say Great news is it's 75% off now. Yeah. I saw how many games sevens you guys have been in, and it's in the last.

Alexander Coccia: 1:14:42

It's awful, man. I don't want, I can listen. Leaf fans should expect nothing and when we get nothing, we're still disappointed. Somehow it's, anyways, we gotta close the snapshot. And by far one of the most hilarious things. There were so many comments on this. It's so funny. Almost all the comments aren't about Snap, but one of the comments, cozy, you made a statement which apparently flabbergasted so many people. I've chosen two of the comments to discuss it. First one comes from Joshua Richardson, who said, Texas is not even close to being bigger than Europe, LOL, and then followed up by Nerd Robot, which is a great name, who said the size of Texas? Texas is 695,662 kilometers squared. The size of Ontario is 800,900, sorry, 892,412 kilometers squared. However, the population of Texas is 30 31 million. Population of Ontario is 14 million. The more you know, and the reason why I bring this up cozy is'cause you had stated that Texas was larger than Europe. Yeah, definitely. Which apparently is not. I just misspoke. I was talking about the

Cozy Snap: 1:15:44

United Kingdom how much it destroyed the United Kingdom. It's 15 times smaller than Europe. Yeah. Great. Yeah. So

Alexander Coccia: 1:15:49

people were like, bro, and then what's interesting is Cozy, I actually was like, yeah, okay. I can see that. Meanwhile the province of Ontario itself, where I'm from. Is larger than Texas. Like it is physically larger than Texas. What dos got in Ontario? Nine of us

Cozy Snap: 1:16:05

know what we're talking about. Hold on. Where's Ontario? Let me bro, I'm looking out Ontario. This is gotta be 99% wasteland. What is, what's in here out, what's in the northern part? It's just snow. It's called the Canadian Shield. Sir. What the

Alexander Coccia: 1:16:17

hell

Cozy Snap: 1:16:17

is

Alexander Coccia: 1:16:17

that? It's a giant rock. There's a city Shout out to everyone from Sudbury, by the way. What

Cozy Snap: 1:16:23

does that mean? This is a giant rock. Like it's inhabitable, like people don't live there.

Alexander Coccia: 1:16:26

Not really. So there's a city called Sudbury. I'm gonna, I'm gonna throw up a picture from Sudbury when, like, when I was there, it's literally built on massive stones, like the roads, they look like they've been dynamite through mountains and stuff like that. The Costco there is on like a slant, like it's crazy, like when I say they're built on the, like the side of a mountain. It's crazy what this place looks like. So yeah it's madely like stone and stuff like that, but it just blew my mind.

Cozy Snap: 1:16:51

Bro, I didn't, I'm, I wanna see what I sag. I feel like I was spitballing that I think it's I said it's very big. I think I'm getting gaslit by my co-host right now. Pretty heavily. No, bro, I'm actually blown away right now. Population Ontario is not even half as big as Texas. And population,

Alexander Coccia: 1:17:07

yeah. Population wise,

Cozy Snap: 1:17:09

I don't, that's

Alexander Coccia: 1:17:10

that's important. Yeah. But I'm saying the physical landmass is larger.

Cozy Snap: 1:17:13

Yeah, but there's nothing there. There's 20% of Texas. That's nothing. To be fair, to be very fair, I'm actually looking at a perfect picture that I'm gonna put on screen right now that is going to I gotta go, bro, but I gotta show this. Hold on. I need everybody to see this. Hold on. Yeah.

Alexander Coccia: 1:17:28

We're actually out of time. Like legitimately out of time in real life. Look at this. There

Cozy Snap: 1:17:33

you go. Oh, you found an actual picture of Texas overly on top of Ontario. So it's not even that much smaller, but then we're double the people.

Alexander Coccia: 1:17:41

You know what, man? What we should do is someone's gotta do the math. Someone did do the math. Ontario's bigger. Boom. Thank you so much for watching, guys. We appreciate each and every one of you. You know what, cozy, you don't need to take this down. Just leave it up. It's fine. They don't need to see us. We love you guys. We, yeah. Zoom in cozy. Zoom in. Zoom in more. We love you guys so much. Thank you for supporting the Snapchat. Hey, you guys can see me. Oh, now you can't.

Cozy Snap: 1:18:00

Have a good one. Have a great one To the next one. Have you snapping?

Alexander Coccia: 1:18:02

We love you and we'll see you on the next Marvel Snapchat episode. You still saluted.