The Ancient One: The Timeless Terror Arrives | Too Many Cards in Snap? | Merlin In Review | The Snap Chat Ep. 136

What are the initial impressions of the new cards: The Ancient One, Mercury, and Hellion? How does Marvel Snap's current card release strategy impact the game? How effective are the recent OTA changes in Marvel Snap? Join Cozy Snap and Alexander Coccia as they chat about this and more on this episode of The Snap Chat and every week as they discuss all things Marvel Snap.

You’ve been listening to The Snap Chat. Keep the conversation going on x.com/ACozyGamer and x.com/AlexanderCoccia. Until next time, happy snapping!

Chapters

• 0:00 Introduction and Welcome
• 0:28 Switch 2 Hype and Initial Impressions
• 2:53 Mario Kart Nostalgia
• 6:11 Marvel Snap Updates and New Cards
• 6:57 Ancient One Card Analysis
• 19:52 New Cards: Mercury and Hellion
• 31:32 OTA Review and Ultron Buff
• 38:03 Infinity Ultron and Silver Surfer Discussion
• 38:22 Card Buffs and Gameplay Strategies
• 41:02 Final Fantasy and Magic: The Gathering Chat
• 42:43 Merlin Card Analysis
• 49:56 Nicholas Scratch and Deck Building
• 57:51 Jennifer Kale and Card Release Frequency
• 1:07:56 Snapchat Mailbag and Fun Stories

Transcript

Cozy: 0:00

What's going on guys? And welcome back to yet another episode of the Snapchat. We are here, we are in June. We're in a new season, Alex, and it's been a good one. We've got, Snap tournaments going on, brand new Merlin out in the wild. How you doing, man? How's your week,

Alex: 0:14

buddy? I'm doing great. I'm having a ton of fun out there. And if I could, uh, you know, I know that this is a Marvel Snap podcast and you know, we almost never talk about anything other than Marvel Snap. Almost never, sir. Certainly not hookah, I gotta tell you. Oh, definitely not the hookah. The switch two came out. Yeah. I'm glad you brought this up and I'm not chance to try it at all. I'm glad you brought this up. You got one. So I was like, okay buddy. Listen, I was trying to like, not feed into the hype. I was like, I ain't getting a switch to it. Way too expensive. I was like talking myself out of it. And then of course midnight on like the pre-release and stuff. I'm like, I'm getting a pre-order. And I tried as hard as I could not get a pre-order. I was so sad. And then. Unreleased day. I was like kind of huffing and puffing. I was looking at Amazon, it said B buy invite only to get the thing. I'm like, what does that even mean? I was so sad. And then I got home and my wife called me. She's like, yo, we need some milk. Do you wanna just run by Costco quick? I'm like, but I always go to Costco, like I'm there six times a week. So I go to Costco, I walk in, there's like 60 switch Tuesday there. Yeah. 60 of'em. I'm like, yeah, I guess we're doing this.

Cozy: 1:13

They beat the scalpers this year, man. I went and got, mine did not pre-order,'cause I forgot. I think we were doing a Snapchat actually when the pre-orders went live, but uh, we were filming.'cause my brother's like, did you get one? I'm like, I was in the middle of filming anyway. I went to Target, dude, 10:00 AM I was like, well after the storm and they had like 10 of'em left. And I was like, I'll definitely take one of'em. And I'm, I feel a little bit under the weather now. That's when it was starting to hit me. And I was like, oh man, this is perfect.'cause I can grab my switch. I had to go get my old switch'cause I haven't turned that on just a little bit. It's been a little bit of time, but man, fire that up. Okay. Hit me man. Initial impressions. What'd you think?

Alex: 1:48

So right off the rip, I will tell you that the actual physical switch itself looks incredibly better than the other one. They have seriously improved every facet of that machine, like holding it the size. I think the screen looks beautiful. These, even the speakers, like, even like the sound is so much better on the actual handheld device. I think they really did a good job. You're paying for that. It was insanely expensive. Like my Costco bundle that came with like 12 months of Nintendo plus expansion pack, whatever. And Mario Kart came to$834 Canadian. And I, I hope my wife did not hear me say that because I would be in trouble.

Cozy: 2:25

I feel like this, I saw a quote and I feel like it lined up pretty well. It's evolutionary, not revolutionary. And I think that's like a good quote of what it is like. I, there's some flaws with it. I think the launch titles was definitely an l, like I think they definitely should have put out a couple more titles. But I will say this, I'm going from, by the way, I didn't get the OLAD one in between, didn't, so I'm going from like the, the raw switch. I didn't, yeah. To this massive IMP improvement. And it was cool that all my switch, uh, the old games were like right there, just like load those up. And I tell you what, man, uh, just, there's nothing like Mario Kart oh my gosh, it just hits me so hard. I appreciate Mario kart, me and my wife. Played like a couple hours. It was just so fun to chill. Uh, wasn't it great dude. Who'd you play? Who's your guy? Shy guy. I play shy guy. You not do Same here. I'm okay. Did you know No way. You're a shy guy, man. Yeah, I a shy guy, man. Dude, I got, uh, what was his first costume? Uh, I'll tell you, because of his, it was, uh, I got the earmuffs. Yeah, earmuff. The right, the pit crew one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So Shai guy was my first one, but then, I mean, I kind of mess with the. I kind of miss it with like the, the penguin and the snowman. I like the cow. I the cow. Yeah. I heard the cows are taken over by, what do you feel like if you guys don't know, the thing that they changed was you drive to your track and you only do each lap once, so it's like very different. I like it. I think it's kind of cool and different.

Alex: 3:38

It, it is really cool, man. And, uh, I was playing online, like my wife and I, we were playing online with you did all the mode.

Cozy: 3:44

Oh wow.

Alex: 3:44

Yeah, I was playing online mode. Guys are hardcore. My wife just got knocked out basically right away, which is kind of funny. But, um, and oh dude, it's so intense online knockout mode is so much fun. It's like. Chaotic and crazy, and I think the knockout like thing is perfect for Mario Kart. It's, it's just so awesome.

Cozy: 3:59

I love that you threw your wife right into, I cut you off before you could f I'm like, ma, I have to like ease my wife into game. So like, I did like 50 cc, like, you know, like, you're doing it, you know, she's got the auto drive on. I'm like, oh no. You know. Great job honey. And then now in like a week, that's when I get her into the knockout mode. You know, I gotta fuel, gotta fuel the vessel. That is the competitive drive. But yeah, man, she's like, animal crossing is as like hardcore as it gets for her. And so like Mario Kart is like right there too. But man, look at us getting our wives into gamers.

Alex: 4:29

Yeah, so the only game my wife ever played for the entire time that I've ever known her is she really liked this game on like Facebook called Alice Green Fingers, and she just liked that. And there was another game that was called, um, Dr. Mario, which was like, kind of like a pill game. Am I glitching?

Cozy: 4:46

You're listening out. You look like you're part of the Matrix right now.

Alex: 4:49

But the idea that I can hook up that switch and tell my wife, be like, Hey, like do you wanna play Mario Kar? And she'll play with me and actually like. Not finish dead last and have a good time and have fun. It really goes to show you how incredibly well designed Mario Kart is as just a core concept. It's ingenious and it feels pretty ageless.

Cozy: 5:08

Yeah. They got, they got their market down for sure. I, I think that, uh, you know, I was more of a Nintendo kid than a PlayStation kid, so for me this was always home. Uh, you know, I actually did play melee, you know, unlike some people here on this, on this call. You know, it's okay. Uh, looking back, I was gonna play Breath of the Wild'cause they did these upgrade things. You could go, I was gonna replay both the cell. I kind of did'em too recently, so I was like, I don't know. So I'm currently going through not, uh, I was gonna do Odyssey Mother Mario, because I haven't messed with that in a while. But dude, I'm going all the way back. I'm, I'm doing 64 then to Sunshine, then to yeah, galaxy. Plenty of games on the checklist that, uh, I want to go down. And, uh, and play. But I thought the system was good. I feel like there's complaints about like the home screen not changing and stuff. I'm like, I don't know if I would want those changes. I'm a little, I would say I. Slightly underwhelmed with some stuff, but everything else seems clean. And when like Metro hits and some of the other games, I'm amped. I just like, Nintendo makes me feel young again. And that's, that's like one of my favorite things about it. Uh, but yeah it's definitely good time to be a gamer. Switch two out. We got some stuff going on in Marvel. Snap, Alex, over here we're talking about the brand new card, the ancient one. And we had two more cars. We talked about a billion cars last week. We got two more. Coming, uh, out of nowhere came out of nowhere. We're gonna break those down. And, uh, lastly, we had an OTA that, uh, shook one individual card up a lot and others, not so much. Alex, what are we talking about on your side of the Snapchat?

Alex: 6:35

Cozy. We're gonna be talking about each and every card that released last week in review, giving a general first impressions of them, and of course the, the statistics that we have for them thus far. We'll also be talking about whether or not we're getting too many cards in Marvel Snap. This has been a concern that's coming up, especially with the absolute massive drop that happened last week. Is it too many cards for the average player to keep up? And then as always, our Snapchat mailbag.

Cozy: 6:57

Oh buddy, we've got our brand new card, the ancient one here, which both of us were kind of up and down about when we were talking about her originally at the three five on reveal add towel mandala to your hand. Now what does she do? She's a wait for it three zero on reveal copy of the text of one of your ongoing carts here onto your other. Characters here. So a skill card, not a zero, but a skill card so you can copy it up to what? Two other one Ongoing effect to two others having three, uh, total in one lane. And Alex, have you changed? Has a weak made you a changed? Ma'am? What do you think about the ancient one?

Alex: 7:33

You know what? Cozy, I think I might change a little bit. So you and I, we had an interesting run with D two one. You're right to say that we started both at four and we both collectively dropped to three. While I think the three is a fair assessment, I'm actually leaning more towards like the two and a half range. Like I feel like I've dropped even more. And the reason for that is because I think it's just too expensive and too slow, especially with a playing a week of amimoto. Like I, I played a lot of Amimoto this week and I think that he felt rough in a way that I did not expect. I feel like ancient one is touching on the same issue that Emoto has, where these spills are high impact. They're just too expensive, especially when you consider what Merlin's doing for one cost. Ancient one has a very high potential of impact, but you also have to have things on the board. There's circumstances that it's gonna pop off, but it needs a lot of macro setup at a very expensive cost. And I almost wanna drop to two. Like honestly, I actually, I don't think you, you were on the four, you

Cozy: 8:34

were hard on the four train last week. I remember. I know.

Alex: 8:38

And I'm dropping all the way down

Cozy: 8:39

the conversation that I. Ended on that I think really helps me evaluate cards better is if something, if it were to be a four or five star card, if it's too good, then it's too good to be true. And that's how we ended the last conversation. I said, if you look at the upside of this card, I think it's too good for Glenn to allow this card to be good and on top of that, right? If that wasn't a debt giveaway. Her also being a three five, right? So you have a couple indicators saying, okay, this is gonna land and the title of this is fun or cracked. This is gonna land more as a fun card. And, and, and it is gonna have that opportunity to really pop off. And that's what was holding me back originally. You're at a two. I think that's definitely a fair statement. I remember, you know, I went into it probably the worst week to go into a a, a Snapchat was zero notes, although it made it a lot of fun going in there, just like looking at cards as they're fresh coming in my face. But I would probably, yeah, I think two is a little low. I think, uh, I think a 3.5 is still a 3.5, and then you have the opportunity to, to kind of go a little bit crazier than that. Uh, but I'm not going much higher. I'll go like a two and a half. Yeah. So like a raw two is, is right there. I think that's, you know, I don't think you're gonna miss here, but. I think ultimately this is gonna be one of those fun cards that don't end up completely landing, uh, where we want it to. Especially because what we just said, I think a lot of people read this and they might think they get a full lane of ongoings, but you gotta set it up, right? You gotta spend a lot of energy to make sure that happens. I. And then what else are you gonna do? I like the idea of patriot old Sean, finish. I think there's some cool things you could do, but there's also just moonstone, patriot. There's other ways you could accomplish, you know, kind of a similar result and not have to go all in on, on something fun. So I think we agree, and I think we're, uh, you know, I would, I would agree that it's on the, the lower ends, uh, I'm at two and a half.

Alex: 10:27

So it's funny that like you bring up a lot of really good points. First of all, the floor being relatively high'cause it is a three five is notable. And, um, when you compare it to like nightmares effect, like nightmares, a three negative one because of how powerful that individual effect is. And I thought about like, okay, like what, what does nature one deck look like? Could you consider something like a Khoi Devil dinosaur deck where you have devil dinosaur and then you can play on turn six. Think about it like you play ancient one, turn three, whatever. Turn four devil, dinosaur turn five. Then on turn six, you mystique the double dinosaur and then you tell mandala the double dinosaur as well, right? So mystique in one lane and then you change everything in the double dinosaur into double dinosaur, right? Everything in the double dinosaur lane into double dinosaur. So those just rocket. It doesn't fix the problem of like, people just shun sheet double dinosaur anyways. Like it's, it's often just a sitting pinata for those types of things that still just loses to that and it is a lot of power, but like usually double dinosaur wins that individual location. So like I start to think about like, okay, what else are we doing? And there are a number of different things I wanna just kind of burn through all the potential synergies. But the more I started to think about, I was like, I don't know if the payoff is really worth it or if some of the combo potential is just a little too cute. To be truly effective consistently.

Cozy: 11:45

Yeah, I think that's the main thing. I think it's, uh, it's more flashy than it is anything else. I think it's cool that Wong does this thing and then she's doing something kind of fun too. Like they both had that play on fun text a bit, both coming from Kamar to you know, you got that about it. It is kind of sad. I've been waiting for her to come into the game for a while and like I wish she was gonna be probably a stronger card overall. And again, I think there's gonna be some fun cooks. But yeah, when I think about, you know, they showed what Blue Marvel. And then we've got Patriot, you've got Victoria hand, you got some cars that can go board wide, but most of'em are like huge vertical lane stackers. And unless you know, you can take a sh sheet of the face or you get the living tribunal thing working. But the way that her energy play is, is gonna come into play is what has me, where it's just the clunkiness around her and, and setting it up all on one lane. Having that kind of, you know what it is, it's not exactly like this, but kind of like Prodigy, where we were like, great, you've got that one lane cooking, but like. What else are you gonna do outside of that? And so that's kind of my, my worries. I will say, though, I will say this, the one thing I I do see for her is like, at any point we get an ongoing card that does help out to get the multiple copies and, and do something board wide. You know, she's gonna be able to have that at least under her belt.

Alex: 12:58

So the way I'm gonna be going, like on Tuesday when, when I'm deck designing, the primary deck that I'm going with is actually double dinosaur. The reason for this is'cause double dinosaur can go hand in hand with Victoria hand. That was a funny sentence, but I think Victoria Hand is one of those cards that would truly benefit from Tamala because I. Replicating that really amplifies your power. It truly does. And I'll, I might lean into like the, the centuries, not the centuries, the sentinels, sorry. In order to have like many things being played, keeping the hand propped up. Also in that deck you can run something like a quinjet, which will reduce the cost of Tal Mandala. And now if it's a two cost, it's a different ball game, right? And now I think that you can do some fun stuff with it, perhaps even though the turn six combination of mystique and Taal Manal still works regardless. But. I do still see potential in that deck, but unfortunately those decks have not necessarily been high performers, but Victoria Hand has felt like it's been close to being legit, like very close. Like you could definitely get to infinite playing Victoria hand. Now, could this car be the one that pushes it to the next level? That's what I've been kind of wrestling with myself. And you start at four, you end up at three, then you go down to two. I, I'm just concerned about the reliability of this card and it is very slow and very expensive. I said it last week, but there's a reason why people don't play wrong with steep combos nonstop for a reason. Like replicating these effects can often be very impactful, but they're often, like all your chick, your eggs are all in one basket, right? And enchanter is incredibly common right now, especially in the the medex. So I do have a lot of concerns, but the Victoria hand di double dinosaur shells I think could potentially be a very good spot for, uh, the ancient one.

Cozy: 14:32

Yeah. Listen, when we look at cars, I think it's important to, to look at as well that, we've got our competitive cars and then we have cards that can be competitive, and then we have fun cards and I think. This lands somewhere in the, can be competitive and it's fun, but there's gonna be decks that just stomp this car to the ground and it's not gonna be able to win against, right? But there's also gonna be hands that you have that are gonna help you, you know, uh, have a great shot to win. And so I think if you're in that camp of like, you wanna have fun and win, I think this is a car that you could consider, but it, you know. Anyone that's like hyper competitive, there's other stuff they're gonna be playing. In fact, one of'em we're gonna talk about here in a second, but like, you know, go the Thanos route. Do what you wanna do. That, the way I like looking at cars now is like, where does it land in that category? How do you like to play the game? And ultimately, ancient one is, is not this meta define. We can, we could have wrapped that up, right when we said two, two and a half. But she is gonna land on the other side and hey, we've brought up fun cards before. A K Infinity Tron, and then look what happened to him. They made him now, uh, much better with an OTA. So that could always happen and could be in store for her. A lot of ongoing synergy, so, yep. Quinjet was brought up. You know, I think, uh, I always, I'm always like, oh man, should VOA be able to, to reduce skill cars? But then it would just work with everything and then she's just too overpowered at that point. Or at least she would just be like the car to have. With skill cards, Nicholas Scratch. Yeah, he could go up a PowerPoint, but there, you know, there's a lot that could work with her. But I think ultimately this, if you like the Wong stuff, you like the fun stuff you know, this could be a card you want to consider. And if you pull her, let's say two weeks from now, at least you have a fun, yeah, you'll have a fun time.

Alex: 16:09

And obviously like she has her own niche to fill, but I do think that like Moonstone is a bit of a compare, uh, comparable. I think Moonstone is very easy to play in a lot of ongoing shells where I feel like the H one might have this awkwardness that Moonstone does not have. That's another concern I have. Obviously, the cobble potential, it's a different card. They occupy a very similar space. But with that being said, I. You're not playing many moonstone. Uh, sorry. You're not playing many ongoing decks without moonstone. There are some, but generally speaking, moonstone is a good contributor on those lists.

Cozy: 16:39

Well, that's the whole thing. It's just that she's three and a three like it, that's just miserable like that. That's so much having to be set up and, and like you get the five and that's great, but just having to. It just, uh, it's a lot of setup too, and a lot of things going right and things. Now I will say though, there are, there is some location synergy with her and, you know, we talk about it all the time. You get those nins out there, so then like you have a way to be able to like, turn that negative into a positive, or, or if you're going against clog, you know, you could just like set it up in a lane and, and end up really flipping, flipping a lane on its heels. So there are things that you will be able to do that are kind of fun and three, five we never want to undermine. But yeah. Anything else on, uh, on the ancient one here?

Alex: 17:17

I guess the only other thing which I'm surprised you didn't bring up because you brought it up last week was Patriot. I guess Patriot could, could be a potential place for it because Patriot is a, is a deck that plays a lot of cards, but not often many ongoings. And so if Patriot's, the only thing there, it's very easy to tell Mandala and then change all the squirrels and everything that, that's with you there into a, uh, an absolute power push for these, uh, these patriot style decks. So

Cozy: 17:40

what about omega red? The, the new and approved, you got the four six and then you just like. Spa. You throw out a bunch of'em and then you got three power going to a bunch of lanes. Maybe that's why they buffed him. I still think Omega, we, we'll talk, we could just talk about, I don't, I still think he's a slept on card. I, I think that there are ways to make him better than he is outside of it, giving away what you're doing. Maybe just, maybe you somehow get omega red working because you could go into four, then you play another card and you do it all on six as a Wabo, Cabo. But uh, yeah, you know that I always like to look at the OTAs that they introduce before the cards come out and be like, alright, are they trying to help us cook?

Alex: 18:21

It's true'cause like you can evaluate a specific card based on the merit of the current meta, but if the meta shifts or if cards change, then the way that card apply to the meta is totally different. And a good example of that was was Sauron and Star Brandand. Star Brandand came out was fine, but then Sauron gets changed to a two cost and now to a one cost, obviously. But when it was changed to a two cost. Star brand suddenly was the hottest commodity on the market and felt insanely better. And not because that star brand got buffed, but because the supporting cast did. So I think that's a perfect assessment, Cozy.

Cozy: 18:55

One thing I wanna point out, I don't think this was obvious enough, but the, they're not turning into said card, by the way. There's not a bunch of omega reds gonna come out. It's just they're taking the text of it. So if somehow you get yourself a, you know, monster island, that 10 power will then have omega red's ability. And so that is something to, to take into consideration. I think a lot of people might, cons are, are kind of going with the, oh, it's all gonna be one thing. So there are some cars that will end up working better than others. I also like the idea of just some low heat, you know, some the, just the ant man, just the value place.

Alex: 19:25

Uh, you could do some mega cope and play like red Skull and then Tom Mandala, the red skull, pump the entire lane. And then Sean Chi at Boom five head.

Cozy: 19:33

That's a that's a 10 head. And then just forget the other lanes. Just hope they,

Alex: 19:38

oh, don't worry. You don't need to do that. You, you wouldn't by like, by impressing your opponent with what you've done, you win without winning.

Cozy: 19:44

Like you leave as a winner at the end of the day kind of thing.

Alex: 19:47

Yes, that's exactly how it is.

Cozy: 19:49

But Alex, we got two cards outta nowhere. We weren't expecting them. And then bam, they dropped, which is a five eight, and he has an honor availability. Next turn, you can move cards to this. Location and then we also have Mercury. We're gonna, we're gonna. Break them down one by one. But Mercury, just so you're aware, aware, is a two. Two, you can move this once ongoing in cards here. Can't move.

Alex: 20:14

So for the record, I know that technically Cozy and I are previewing a card we could have played. Uh, but also I tried to get it. Nonstop for days and it did not work. My Marvel Snap was so bugged I could not get it. And literally only the last two days I've been able to actually play with this card.'cause I, I got it and then I couldn't put it into decks'cause it kept airing out. So I, I literally have not played much of it. I think this card is okay. I think it's fine. I think it is an added tool to move based shells. I think like literally traditional style moves stuff is cool. I like the idea that only you can move. Cards to that particular location. That could be that, that could be particularly advantageous. I think Hydro Stomper loves it. I think that, uh, Heimdall loves it.'cause you can reposition for a heimdall play. I, I think it's a neat card. I, I really do. I do like it a lot. What's the star I. I'm gonna go with like a, like a solid three stars because the reason why I say three stars specifically is I think it's gonna have a very tight niche. But it is a fair card. I don't think it's a weak card. It's a fair card, but it's the kind of card that I don't think you're gonna have to chase, if that makes sense. Yeah. I don't think you need to chase owning this card. I also think this is a very nice like draft design for what it's worth, this is a very, like, even if you're not playing move and you pull this as a five eight, it's just a good draft card type thing. I like the card. I think it's totally fine. I don't think it's meta shaking or meta warping. It hasn't at least exhibited that in the. Like day and a half that people have had it, like everyone has had it for basically a day and a half. But I'm pretty confident that it's, it's a decent card and it's app applicable niche.

Cozy: 21:44

Yeah. I feel like he's probably more than the two and a half inch at the moment, but he can get better over time. I think that there's plenty of move stuff coming, uh, in the future that will work with it and it's just one of those things that will settle, settle as it kind of evolves. But the thing is on turn five a lot of the time and move, I like to do a lot of. Uh, combo plays at the cheaper stuff and then you kind of get things cooking with that. So you're committing a full five, uh, yes to get the move, which is nice. You can do some setups and have some nice combos, but is it gonna be worth it in its entirety? Does it earn its spot because of that? But as far as like, if you're a move enjoyer and you like to play that archetype, I think is a must. A must add for sure. Definitely gonna be solid. But uh, as far as like super competitive, uh, that's gonna belong to Mercury a lot more. So yeah, I would say two and a half is where I fare, but I do like all the synergies right away. And it's funny, man, we went two years without like barely any new move stuff. Like there was just no move stuff for the longest time. And then in the last like couple months, dude, we've had like six new move cards. It's crazy how much more move has come into the game. The last. Couple months rather than the first two years.

Alex: 22:52

No, you're right. There's been a ton of, ton more move cards added. And it's funny'cause a lot of them don't see much play.'cause I think that generally speaking, players don't like playing move. It's kind of sad, but like they just don't really wanna play move. But of the move cards that have come, um, like I, I think Fan Faye looks awful compared to this. I think this is a way better version of like, they do different things, but I think this is much more like just generally a better card than something a fan. Faye still niche, but more broadly, uh, applicable. But I, what I want will say is when I was kind of playing with this card a little bit, I was trying to set up like Galactus where you could basically move everything out and then G-Man a particular location.'cause you, you get to clear the other locations, right. And play on turn six. Uh, no one fell for it, unfortunately. But wait to which set up the dream was there?

Cozy: 23:34

Nah, dude that's a cook that I like, man. Oh man. And they released the official, uh, we'll probably do this next episode, but they did the, uh, the Fantastic four. Like we officially know what some of them are coming out as. My gosh, did you see the new Galactus? Wait, no, I didn't see this. Oh, okay. We're gonna wait'cause it's too good. Next. That's gonna bes own. Yeah. This is the topic of next week. But let's go from him to Mercury. And I gotta say man, mercury though is a two, two, like I said, you can move this once. Ongoing. Enemy cards here can't move right away. Alex, this is a, uh, this is a insane card. Not only is this great'cause it's a tech card. But you're able to move it okay to choose a fairy stat line, but easily, the best thing about it is that a combos with a card that we all like in Cannonball, and so you have efficiently, essentially the Pro X Cannonball combo again. But at a on curve rate,

Alex: 24:32

I think this is a very good card. I think that as a two, two that can move just once. I think that's, that's valuable in and of itself. Think about how many times rocking and groove just being able to move was beneficial. Think about how many times when Sam Wilson Shield had power just moving to a location no one could access was beneficial. It's very nice the tech side of enemy carts can't move here. Is fascinating, especially as they continue to add, move cards to the game. Obviously things like hydro stomper and silk are very popular right now doing a very good job on the meta. But you, you touched right on it. Cannonballs, the big synergy and there are, because we just got this card again, I've been able to play this card for less than 24 hours. There are a couple cannonball mercury decks that are starting to gain traction. Only because the cannibal mercury interaction, like what I mean to say is I have a concern if they ever Nerf cannibal to not interact with Mercury or Mercury to not interact with cannibal, the two might be so disconnected from one another that mercury will feel awful there. Because the two two can move. Once isn't enough to carry it. The enemy cards can't move, isn't enough to carry it. It's specifically the cannibal mercury synergy that carries it. And if you ever disconnect those two, I think this card is garbage. And that's what I get worried about.

Cozy: 25:45

The thing I like right away is I just think it's a cool spectrum card. You have an ongoing ability that's like strong and it can move like boom. Done. And you have tech with that, so like that's gonna help you win more games. Can't complain about that. Definitely gonna be strong. But then also I feel like it's just a very powerful combo card. Yeah. With what we just said with Mercury, I don't. I don't think they would remove that. That's, that seems crazy to me that that, that's something that could happen. I think that's tough to say though, bro. You know how many cars we would say, like if you took away that one key synergy, it's a bad card. So like, I don't know, they did that with Pro X, but who are we to say that they would, do you know what I mean? Like, that's such like, oh, if, if they, if they took scarf from Serer, then it would be, it's just, I don't know if I could base cars, I gotta base it what's in the game right now. And right now I think that's, it's, that's strong.

Alex: 26:28

For what it's worth. You're right. Like I actually agree with you. What you just said is absolutely correct. You gotta evaluate it based as it is now, and also in defense of the point that you're making. They did learn the lesson from having Cannonball and Pro X together. So Glen and the team are designing this card, knowing the lessons that they learned prior, they wouldn't have released this like this. If they're like, oh damn, we forgot that Professor X ruined the meta with cannibal. No, they obviously knew that and designed this card with that in mind, so it would surprise me if they broke that link between the two. I just thought it was worth mentioning because I think that a lot of the deck design early on that we're seeing with Mercury is solely based, almost entirely on Cannonball. You know what I mean? And that's why I bring it up

Cozy: 27:08

a hundred percent. That's where it is early and I think it, it's kind of like when we got triple limit to the game, it allowed them to do more with cost reduction. This is finally a car that like real, like scream obviously, but like this is one that really can counter move X right to the hardest degree that we've had thus far. And so this also, if you're a move player, this is a good thing for you. Because anytime you have more tech in the game means they can kind of beef it up in other ways. And so maybe that's why we are seeing this huge. Surgeons, you know, they plan this design stuff well in advance and they never know how it's gonna go fully. And so maybe they made this card because of all this stuff and this was gonna be a good release valve to it. Uh, either way though, I think Mercury is, is much better. And you could definitely celebrate if you get this card. And if they do change the cannonball thing, use it while you can.

Alex: 27:52

What I find interesting though is that like if you think about the type of release valve, uh, Luke Cage is, for instance, right? Or Shanxi is, or Enchanter is, I think that Mercury and the tech that it provides isn't good enough on its own. Think about Mobius and Mobius and those types of like traditional tech cards. I don't think that you play Mercury in like a cer control deck because you want to, oh, I need tech against move, for instance. Right? No. You know what I mean? Because like that's what scream could be for instance. But it's the idea that you have this offensive capability with Cannonball, the fact that it can move, the fact that it's an ongoing, as you mentioned, and it just so happens to be an appropriate tech piece against what is now an emerging archetype with, you know, these new hydra silky move style decks. So the tech side of it seems very incidental and everything else around it is pretty decent. And it actually, it's funny as well. It's a two two, but look at the lines of text. You can move and it has tech, so it's like, it's really like multiple cards squeezed into one, isn't it? Doesn't it feel like kind of like a, like a Swiss army knife of cards?

Cozy: 29:00

Well, for sure. And that people love playing cards like that because even if you're not trying to counter move, she can like, think about it, you're playing a game and New York's on the board and you're like, oh man, okay. Like I'll just make sure. You know that none of these cars at this location are gonna be able to do that or whatever. Like just having that flexibility is nice. Uh, and being able to change the game when you need to. Also though, I feel like, yeah, I mean, what does move do? Well, it scales crazy, right? And Shadow King's just a much better answer to that. Or a bunch of other cars that can just, you know, completely get rid of all the momentum they had. But this stops'em in the first place from having it. And so I do think it is, uh, it is a two burst for one stone. I, I'm interested to see where it overall adjusts, but yeah, love the cannonball thing. Love it. Having multiple facets in one strong card, 2, 2, 2 3 would be crazy and obviously like it a little bit more than, uh, the card prior.

Alex: 29:52

We have not given it star ratings yet. I don't believe we've said them out loud, but before we do that, I just also want to say very relevant point to this Marvel Snap podcast. Mercury gives me, uh, T 1000 vibes. Oh yeah. Like, see that arm there. Don't you? Don't you feel like this is like fright from Terminator? Yeah,

Cozy: 30:07

yeah. Right. No, for sure. Definitely. Def definitely feel that. And, uh, I love, I love the commitment to the uniform. Like even going full mercury mode over here, you gotta wear the uniform. You gotta wear it. Yeah. I can't not have it on, you know? That's ridiculous. What's your start rating? I'm going four stars. Yeah, I feel like that's about right. I think four is good. I think four is a good but we'll also see this everywhere with Cannonball as that continues to go. So you might see it a bit more popular than a four star, especially'cause you can get your hands on it a bit easier than I. Then, uh, this is series four

Alex: 30:36

on that note, as a series four drop. It's pretty good. And I wonder if they accidentally released it. I wonder if they weren't done balancing it yet. I wonder if Glen was gonna be like, this should be a two one, or this should be like, they totally released it by accident, which let's not, let's be honest, that's kind of ridiculous. Like that's kind of silly that they released it by accident. Yeah, no, I don't know how

Cozy: 30:55

we didn't start with that. This. Uh, this was not supposed to happen. Uh, that's why Alex and I, uh, didn't have it in our episode last week. And while it wasn't in the, the whole past video, why couldn't they have done this When Elixir came out and Kid Omega was, what, what could it have he come out on accident? Man, I tell you what

Alex: 31:12

I know. Isn't that true? Like this weekend, this, uh, weekend, this season has legit cards that we're excited to play. A lot of bangers last. Season we were falling asleep talking about some of these cards and like now you're dropping series four cards. That easily, I would've rather have had that an elixir.

Cozy: 31:30

I know, man. Well we've got our last subject here. The OTA review. Ultron is good question mark. Guys, if you're just now coming in, you missed, we had, uh, a lot of OTAs in the last couple weeks. We went a long way without OTA and now we got, uh, what, two back to back. So Ultron, infinity, Ultron. Once a fun card has made his way to much more than that. Now, Alex, we've talked about it all the time. What was the one thing that they needed to do to make him relevant? We're about to talk about it. Before we get to him though, let's just fire off some of the other beats that they changed. We got super giant going from a four five to a four seven. Alex, A four five is so bad for that card. Oh my gosh. Four seven is not much better. I don't think this is gonna change the fate of who Super Giant is.

Alex: 32:17

I don't think so either. I think that the effect is good. Now, is it good? I'm not sure It has some merit, but once again, we talked about it when Super Drive first came out, we talked about it being used defensively. Oh, you stop Lady Jane fostering negative decks and all that stuff. That's cool I guess. But as we've seen, like we talked about with Mercury, the best type of tech effects are the ones that you use offensively as well as defensively. Like Sean Chi is a defensive card that just flips a lane. That's why it's so damn good. That's why it's in almost. Half of the decks in Marvel Snap and Super Giant's Effect is kind of just not needed, and until there is a legitimate offensive, true offensive capability, and keep in mind what really killed it. Was that they also changed Taskmaster. Taskmaster

Cozy: 33:02

task. Yeah,

Alex: 33:03

right? Yeah, from five to six, because you need multiple cards. So the task was still a five. You could have done something, right?

Cozy: 33:07

You need multiple options because you can't just rely on drawing her and then like one thing to happen. That's an awful game plan. So you need multiple things. Taskmaster going away was a big hindrance of that. And so, yeah, I guess in the future, if more come out, I think they, she needs a rework to be completely honest, but for now she's up to a four seven, so you know, we'll, we'll see. We'll see if she gets more play from it. Brought him up earlier. Omega red though, four five to four six. Now, uh, they're pretty careful and I, and I quote Glenn here. I think whenever they, they did this effect with him, they weren't sure if it was gonna be tame enough. They thought it could end up being broken with how good he was, and then he just didn't get to play. I a four six though, plus three in all lanes. It's definitely respectable and I think we do see a bit of a surgence, but four, six, still nothing earth shattering for, for a guy that got, zero to no play.

Alex: 33:55

It is also worth knowing that that also gets buffed up by two A spectrum. Yeah. There's ways to kind of continue that reach. Um, you could play omega red, omega red Ironman and then you play something like an onslaught. Obviously very greedy and chances says hello type stuff, but still possible. Right. There's ways to manipulate that lame power.

Cozy: 34:13

Yeah. I think Thanos on going is probably one of his best homes. Just'cause you have so many ways to sort power. It's a strong deck on its own, but you even need'em. Probably not. Speaking of somebody you don't need, man, we've done so many on your side. Like, this card sucks. Or like the most forgettable car. How do we never bring up giganto, bro? How do we never bring up this garbage heap of a card? Like it's been a year since we brought up this POS on the, on the cast here.

Alex: 34:40

First of all, how dare you? What do you mean how dare? Um, what do you mean that What do you, giganto is sick. Do you remember that summer variant where he's sitting in the little tube? It's one of my favorite.

Cozy: 34:49

He is going from a six 14 guys to a 6 16 2 power. You can only play him on the left location. I in today's Snap, that is just it. That's so. It's so hindering that I just don't see how that this could ever be a card that's played without, again, an ability, rework or restriction, rework, or just put this guy up to like a six 18, you know, maybe get his power like really good. But, uh, yeah.

Alex: 35:18

You know what this is? What is this? Red Wing buff?

Cozy: 35:23

Yeah. Okay. I like it. A hella buff, A Dracula Buff Jubilee Blink. Like,

Alex: 35:29

yeah, I know every card except Gig Anto. Really? Yeah, yeah.

Cozy: 35:32

Yeah. All the cards that you would be playing them in Lock jaw, which never gets play. Yeah. Like it's the, it's, it's a buff to the cards around them where you just want like big power stack sticks, whatever. But yeah, only playing on in the left lane. Like you're just not gonna, you're just not gonna ever really like strategically try to do that, uh, if they made it two lanes. That's kind of interesting. And, uh, yeah. Other than that, giganto is a car that I think many people forgot about.

Alex: 35:54

You know what's interesting about it? They waited for this buff. They waited for a very particular moment, Cozy Snap. They're like, we gotta buff Gito. We're giving him two extra power. They're like, Glenn, don't do it. He's gonna ruin the meta. He's gonna kill the meta gig's. Gonna slam that left lane so hard. People aren't gonna know what hit him and he is gun's like. Don't worry guys. Got a plan. We'll release the update to Gito after we make Cerebral Two relevant so that people can play Goose in the left lane. Boom, no gig Anto,

Cozy: 36:20

boom, just like Infinity. The Ultron five eight. They took him down to a five six. What? How could they, Alex, they nerfed him. He was too strong. No, my friends, all the infinity stones with him that were three costs, his biggest hindrance and a great call to why we think ancient one's not gonna be that great either. Recos is tough to make happen. Well, they're all going down to two costs, but they do have some stipulations with it. Now, first of all, we're gonna go from like top to bottom, Alex. Then we'll talk about all of it. Then we can talk about him. Uh, the infinity power stone is going from a three, two to a two. One. Keep in mind that was on reveal. You're gonna double trons power. So you've got that right off the rip. All right, uh, next up the reality stone. Which you could add the drone here and you would set its power to infinity trons three, one down to a two one. So no loss there. Outside of cost, big dubs, time stone is three. One down to a two three. So put a card from your hand here, uh, which is a super fun effect. Obviously the red Wing kind of thing going on. Huge boost in, that's viability infinity space stone. That went from a three four to a two five. So they gave it a cost down and a power up. The soul stone for each of your full locations get plus two power is a three, three down to a two, three. And then finally the mind stone, which is your honorability. Honor availabilities happen twice a year, so Minnie Wong, 3 2, 2 A, two two. So a significant buff across the board to the stones, and you have Ultron at his base power, I'm pretty sure of what he came out with at a five six. This is a big dub for what was a fun card, and now on its way to potentially be pretty damn good too.

Alex: 37:57

This is a huge L for the fact that the only place I enjoyed playing this was Silver Surfer. That's the first thing that came to mind. I'm like, bro, the only play I played Infinity Altron was Silver Surfer. The only reason why I even enjoyed my time with Infinity Altron even remotely was'cause Silver Surfer. And then Glen was like, you know what, no, Alex F you. You don't get to play Silver Surfer anymore with the new fancy card. You can play anything else except Silver Surfer. And you know what, Glen? You're right.'cause it needed to get changed. This is a huge buff. It's a massive buff across the board. The major problem with this card was that you played the card and then the stones sucked. And the stones that really sucked. Like the basically esan stone and stuff like that, they gave tremendous power to, to make them worth committing energy to. They're a little awkward still.'cause like you're like, huh, you almost want to get three of'em now because they're too costed. Yeah, right. You almost wish you'd get two, three of'em. Uh, but that would also be kind of crazy'cause now you have more options and more combo potential. That's a huge, crazy buff now, like getting a third stone would be crazy. But now you still have two extra energy on turn six to play with. Wouldn't surprise me if they ended up giving you a third stone, by the way, I'm just throwing it out there. But I do think that this is a significantly better card early statue and 54% win rate on it. Stole only 5% playwright, so people aren't really sold on it yet. But this is a massive buff.

Cozy: 39:11

I'd just like it because yeah, first of all you get a quibb jet out the now they're one. There are only one cost to play on that last chance, so you can definitely get something cooking with it, but also. It just like even if you get the bad stones.'cause that's what it came down to. Remember we would say like there's these two combinations that could cook or this could cook, but then ultimately you're just getting bad stones too much. But now getting a two five space, it's like, cool, you got a two five. That is good. And that could be a one five with a quinjet. So like. It fixed a lot about'em, it made the bad stuff good and it made everything cheaper to pull off, potentially more combo stuff. Uh, and, and maybe ramp, into that with the Luna Snow. And then you can really start getting things crazy on turn six. So, I agree. I don't think they'll do the three stone thing but I. Either way, this is a huge step. Uh,'cause now from this point on, I think they would just buff his power from this point. Like, I think because of what the drone setting is and doubling his power, all that stuff, it is very power based. And so that's a good way to handle I, this is, this was a good, a good strong B for this guy that I think could have just fell to the wayside into non-existent Playland. Uh, and now, you know, he's definitely gonna get tested a bit.

Alex: 40:17

And I am pretty sure, unless I'm hallucinating this, I'm pretty sure you called this because you're like, if he's underpowered, because they put so much effort into its design, they're gonna buff it. I feel like you said that at some point, either on my side or when we were first evaluating it, but you were like, this is too much effort for a single card for them to let it languish. Yeah. Though I think you called it bud and uh, so in my lit literal, like I only played a few games with Infinity Ultron'cause there's been so much going on. He feels way better and the floor is way higher than it was before that. Even like the bad stones are like I mean there's still two five that does something. So yeah, definitely a huge buff.

Cozy: 40:52

Well, that is the OTA guy. So a little bit of a smaller OTA and outside of old chart, not as impactful, but get out there, experiment with your omega, uh, reds and your ancient ones if you pull her

Alex: 41:02

Cozy, I have a question for you. Did you have a chance to dive into the new final Fantasy Magic of the Gathering pre-release?'cause I unfortunately could not get to a magic event this weekend.

Cozy: 41:11

No, man, my brother did. So I was talking to him about it. He did the rip and play, which is always a good time. But no, it is. So I didn't grow up playing a lot of final Fantasy. I've played them, I've played seven, I've played three of them, but. Like it. I, I actually just said on my side it as more of a Nintendo guy over PlayStation. So there's the next all in series I'm going for is the Spider-Man one in, I believe it's September, maybe no, September I think is Avatar. So maybe it's November. I, either way I'm all in on it. I already got like four collective boost, two boxes. But, uh, yeah, I'll definitely be picking up a couple of the commander sets and, uh, have fun with it. But, uh, it looks good.

Alex: 41:47

That's cool. Yeah.'cause I didn't get a chance, and honestly I've played no final fantasy at all. Like, I've not played any, I don't know the characters. I only know a couple of them from perhaps Super Smash Brothers. You know, the ones I actually played. You gotta know like cloud, cloud

Cozy: 41:58

is like, uh, Mario.

Alex: 42:01

No, I, I mean I have Ike is one from, no, that's fire. And. See, so I'm already screwed up. I, I don't know why I, I don't know why I opened my damn mouth. I'm like, yo, I double with this'cause it's super smack. Should just shut my mouth. But like, yeah, so I didn't get a chance to, I am super looking forward to the Spider-Man one, but, uh, yeah man, uh, I think I'm gonna pick up a collector, uh, commander Deck, sorry, or two. And I, those collectors boxes are crazy expensive. Did you say you ordered four of'em? No, the Spider-Man ones.

Cozy: 42:26

Yes, dude.'cause it's Spider-Man. I had to a little dude. I can't wait, but no, yeah, they're already like, like a thousand bucks for Final Fantasy right now. It's crazy.

Alex: 42:35

That's, uh, that's a little rich for my taste, but you know, who also is a little rich for my taste? What? That was a terrible transition. But let's talk about Merlin. He got a rich beard, a rich ba rich, thick beard.

Cozy: 42:46

Uh, yes. Is he from Fancy Merlin? Is he from fine fan? He's from everything, dude. No. What's funny is, uh, fun fact you'll see a lot of games used King Arthur's, uh, IP because it's free so you don't have to pay anything and it's a strong ip. So it's like one of the few things that aren't. Copyrighted that you can use. That's why a lot of like mobile games and stuff.

Alex: 43:07

Wait, is that where Merlin's from? Because I was like, actually, course mean. What do you mean? Is that where, where Merlin's from? Marvel character. You don't know Merlin? No, I know Merlin obviously, but he was in Lona too. Like you have Merlin the goat. Merlin the snake. Always different of King Arthur. When I say

Cozy: 43:22

you don't know Merlin, that's like you don't know Merlin from King Arthur Merlin. Is that like Monty Python?

Alex: 43:29

That's at the round table. Alex. I know who Monty Python is. King Arthur?

Cozy: 43:35

Have you heard of him?

Alex: 43:36

Ever heard of that guy? I've heard of him, but I don't know. I don't know anything about him. It is that like a war hammer series?

Cozy: 43:42

You're doing it again? No. Okay. I've saw enough. I've saw a lot of people ask, but they want me to do like a pop culture quiz with Alex and it will be happening in a future Snapchat. You guys just wait.

Alex: 43:54

For the record, I'm trolling you a bit. Obviously I know that you know King Arthur. Ken Arthur, definitely. Every universe

Cozy: 43:59

can't, you can't, you can't pull back from, uh, from Maryland. Anyway. How is Maryland buddy? What are your thoughts about him coming out? Where does he land and what did we, I mean, I, I gave him five. You gave him four and a half.

Alex: 44:11

Four and a half I went with. So for what it's worth, I really like this card. I really like playing it. Don't forget, I know we get really caught up in like the win rates of decks and the win rates of cards and cube rates and how you can rank up and all that sweat garbage that we talk about all the time. We get caught up with that. Merlin is so fun. It's a legitimately fun card to play. And the other thing about it too is that when I'm playing at someone who's playing Merlin, it feels like a fair fun. Like they're having their fun, but they're not ruining mine necessarily. They're doing their thing. I appreciate that. I think this is a very well designed card. In fact, I'm gonna say, I love this card. I love this card. Even if it's early on, at least not hitting the power thresholds that might have been expected by some people. Including Coach Snap.

Cozy: 44:58

I think he's a five star, but I still think

Alex: 45:01

he's a

Cozy: 45:01

five star. You still think he's a five star? A hundred percent. Yeah. I do. I think he's great. I, I think, uh, one week of testing has not landed. Exactly. There's plenty of te uh, decks that, uh, he's definitely not one that can be sold overnight, number one. Uh, but I think as far as what he'll offer Snap, I think he's still at five star cards. And I stand by it.

Alex: 45:18

I'm gonna tell you that you're correct. I just wanted to put some fire under your cheeks, man. That's all. What did you, what? So you went from, you went up. You're four and a half, you're five now. No, no, no. I just, I'm thinking at four and a half. Oh, I, I just like, I just love the card. Yeah, he's good. I don't think it's, I don't think it's five power perhaps yet, but I think that the card is a hell of a lot of fun to play.

Cozy: 45:37

Yeah. I was playing them in the, well, a Nicholas scratch coming out with the OG Moto and like, and him. How can you not like, try to get the new one cast new and improved and, and spicy that is, and what I think. I think I, I said it like the very beginning of our last Snapchat that I thought that this was gonna be a great WIC and deck. And it was cool to see that he was getting slotted into a lot of wicked play. It just naturally made sense with the curve that he provided.

Alex: 46:00

He did. He is seeing some, uh, actually the Wcan Bay Shell with Surge is running a 54% win rate right now according to Untap. And what I will say is I was actually playing, we'll talk about Nicholas scratch when that time comes. We can even talk about our next school a little outta order, but, um. With AKA Moto, I was actually early testing a deck with AKA Moto Merlin and Nicholas Scratch together. And I think the thing that really stood out to me was how much better Merlin is than AKA Moto. Way

Cozy: 46:25

better. Yeah.

Alex: 46:26

Like it's insanely better. And here's the interesting thing, GUI Moto individually is way more power. He often comes out, obviously when he is buffed five, uh, you know, five 13 or whatever. He's, he has tremendous power potential. He's also a card that can, Flipboard states with images of kin. He has the WTO spell. He has good spells, good skills, like it is a good card, but the deck dilution sucks so much that when I was playing with Emoto, I rarely drew Merlin. Everything else felt awkward and the decks felt worse despite the fact that the cards were still powerful and the effects were still powerful. When I took Amimoto out and ultimately because I took Amimoto out, I cut Nicholas scratch. Merlin itself was just. Awesome.'cause I drew it more consistently and my deck feels like they were working better. And I'm like, damnit Merlin is just better than GUI Moto straight up. And I don't think GUI Moto is bad. I think the deck dilution is bad. Yeah. And I think that like I'm not running King IRI to cope with GUI Moto. I'm just not gonna do it. And I think Edmoto needs something if Merlin's gonna be this intuitive to play,

Cozy: 47:34

he's still doing good too. Amimoto stats are great and work out. But yeah, him costing more. Like, I just went through this that I love, like cheap cars that allow you to do a lot of different things. And that's why I think Merlin was such a winner, uh, in Alga Moto. It's like, yeah, you got a lot of power, but you, you sacrifice that just deck dilution, which is just such a, such a tough thing to have, but it still works. But you know, just committing so much more. And what does that allow ultimately Merlin to be is way more flexible than Omo. Omo is gonna have more of his homes. Berlin can fit across the board. We've seen that this week and we're gonna continue to see it. Uh, but yeah, man, it's crazy that it felt like. At least for now, it, it doesn't feel like he's like annoyingly powerful. I think you put it right. But he is definitely capable of, uh, crazy power. Kinda like surge likes is annoying'cause you see her all the time now. But like, you're not like super pissed off that go against another se, you know what I mean? Like, it just feels like a card that kind of fits into just being in that good card category. Uh, but yeah, man, Marilyn's been fun and I'm excited to continue to see what continues out of Marilyn and, and the creativity in the decks.

Alex: 48:36

Oh, absolutely. Uh, right now, um, he's running a 54% win rate in a 33% meta share. This is, uh, untapped based statistics since the OTA ranks 70 towards infinite. So do, keep in mind there is some bot inflation there, but, um, I do think that we're only on the cusp of starting cooking with Merlin and he does feel like, uh, for towards people think, well, Alex, should I get the card like Cozy? Should I get the card? I feel like for the 10 bucks. First of all, the season pass always represents a very good value. This feels like a really good add to your collection, in my opinion. Like it does get a, an absolute pass for me. Uh, from a season pass standpoint. It feels like it's worth the 10 bucks. It's a great filler card if you're, if you have holes in collections and you're trying to build medex, and it's just a super fun and also a super good card. So I do like Merlin a lot.

Cozy: 49:22

Yeah, I think so. I think this. Month and next month. They're both crazy strong cards, so you can't go wrong with them. I think next month I think I said it when we previewed Mr. Fantastic, I think he's gonna be borderline the best card in Snap, but Merlin is super strong, super flexible, and it's one that like, even if you don't play a lot, when you do decide to play a lot, you're gonna be glad you have him'cause he does fit, you know, across the board. So yeah. Merlin two thumbs up.

Alex: 49:48

I got you on that Cozy and, uh, we're gonna skip Morgan Lafa for a moment. We'll come back to it because I think that Nicholas scratch is worth talking about in conjunction with Merlin and Anga Moto. Now, this card I played a lot more than I think most people, I think most people kind of passed on Nicholas scratch and I had a belief that Nicholas scratch could be legit. Now he's running again with bought inflation, a 51.5% win rate in a 3% popularity. That's what you call poo. When you have bots also being inflated in those stats, Nicholas Scratch's stats are very unimpressive. And it also goes to show that when I was working with my Merlin index, I ultimately cut Nicholas scratch'cause I felt like I had to cut aga moto, Nicholas scratch, even if drawn on curve. Like turn one scratch, turn two. Aga moto or not, sorry. Turn two Amimoto, turn to uh, Merlin. You get him to five. Get him to six. It's good still 1 5, 1 6, but all those times you didn't draw him. He felt much worse. However, what I'm gonna say is that we, I still think Clea potentially could be an absolutely banger card. I'm really looking forward to that card. I'm seeing consensus being pretty low on it. So I think I might be one of the, the few that actually kind of wants CLIA to be a banger and if those types of cards do Excel, nickel Scratch will excel along with it. But I could see this potentially being one that underperforms,'cause my original expectations here were much higher and it has not felt good in my testing.

Cozy: 51:10

I'm not shocked. I think I said on the snapshot I gave it a two, but it's a four and I gave it a four star'cause of where it's gonna be. I think it's just early, bro. I think Nicholas Scratch is a card that's gonna scale as the skill, the skill cards scale and we're get a lot of'em. Next month. We're gonna continue to get them. And we knew this, like we knew that he is one that will continue to get better. Merlin was definitely a nice addition to him. Uh, you know, and you do have Alga Moto and stuff. There's just not, not enough out there for him yet. Right. Bad example. But if Scream had four less cars that moved it, she wouldn't be screamed as she is today. Still very strong card. The stealing aspect is broken. But beyond that, you know, it feels like scratches d uh, ahead of him. And we kind of touched on that. I gave him low ratings now, but in the future I do like him. And he's definitely not one of those, like, he's gonna age like fine wine. More specifically, he has to because he is the one cost that's gonna fuel that new kind of new archetype.

Alex: 52:02

I think literally, I think my notes, and I think I said it out loud, was it's a four star card in the future is I believe what exactly what we had said, and for what it's worth. Cozy. I'm gonna disagree with that point. I think you can get a bottle of fine wine and you can put Nicholas scratch label directly on it. It has to age well. Like it's, it has to, right? Like there's no way it doesn't, like they're gonna commit to these skills, aren't they? I mean, they're committing now, but they, in the future, I'm sure they will.

Cozy: 52:26

Yeah. He's gonna, he's gonna definitely get better over time and. Skill cards are, they're going heavy the next, I mean, this season, next season. And I think they're gonna definitely lean into it. You

Alex: 52:37

age cheese, right? So is he gonna age more like cheese or age like wine? Both. Oh, so he, you have the cheese with the wine. He's a perfect pairing. Alright, perfect pairing too. I guess. You know all the skill cards we'll be getting in the future, but. Morgan Lafe, Cozy Morgan Lafe. I, sorry man, I couldn't come up with a good transition there. We're talking about cheese and wine. It got all messed up, man. I don't know, I gotta work on my transitions, obviously. But Morgan Lafe the fu, the absolute Wi Fu, statistically Cozy, not doing great, running a 52% win rate at a 5.8% meta popularity. Again, this is ranks as 72 a hundred, so you do have some bot inflation there and it stopped performing Deck, believe it or not, is literally just a concho deck with Morgan LA face slammed in it. Which is like, fine, I guess it's okay. But it's like not really the intention. It's like, well, you just may as well just play arum with her, I guess. And just you know what I mean? It's not, it's not the spirit of the card. I think that's really, yeah,

Cozy: 53:35

I was kind of sad to see that the, the zoo build. Uh, it was cool. It was fun. And I actually thought it was like what we said with the ancient one where it's like there's uber competitive, then there's Dex that can be competitive, but they're fun and then there's just fun. Dex I think it was that, I think it was like it could win, it could, it could definitely win, but it did struggle on certain ways. Uh, but I, there's one card that like, I think is just like a me card. I think it was a good time, was Morgan.

Alex: 54:00

You know what, man, I, so Morgan LaFace stressed me out so much. I was legit, so nervous about this card, so I'm like, I need to cook, man, because I, I, I didn't want people to just be like, oh, just throw it in a random discard shell and see what happens. I wanted legit to make some magic happen and so I actually, I cooked a deck, which honestly I was really successful with. I was playing some odd, there was a. One of those hot locations. I was playing conquest and stuff like that. We're doing a great job, man. We were crushing, I'm gonna read the list out here. I called it Morgan Lamon. And the idea around this list was like you could Morgan Lafa get some action there, but also you had secondary lines with Bounce. So I was running cards like the Hood, Silver Sable, rocker Raccoon, and Nico Manaroo. Those one drops. Are tremendous scalers for the amount of demons you get. Silver stable, obviously doing the infliction plus the scale rocket raccoon for pure energy and Nico with the doubling effects either to a card or itself could be potentially fantastic. I also had Joaquin Torres Falcon, who I think could really amplify those cards, especially as a two drop black Swan Falcon. And then you had the Destroy package of fire, hair and Killmonger. Alongside Hit Monkey is a closer Morgan Lafe and misery. So the whole idea was can you get these one drops to just repeatedly repeat their effects? You got the Torres Falcon, you got the misery repeating the effects. You also have the fire hair repeating the effects. Everyone's repeating everything all the time. Your opponent really can't. Anticipate what you're gonna do. This deck was a lot of fun. But the thing was is because of Morgan's forecast, you needed very specific lines to work for her to even feel playable, which made me wonder, I. What do you do with this card? I almost, I, oh, I shouldn't say that. I never played Morgan on turn four and I played hours of Morgan. I only played her ever on turn five, and it made me wonder, is this the kind of card that would benefit from being less expensive so it can feel tighter, like you can sneak it into a combo line as a three drop. The way Torres went from a three to a two, or is it better if it's a just straight up five, which is where you're gonna play it anyways, and it has way better stats to accommodate the amount of setup required. Morgan, as it stands right now, gets an absolute pass from me, despite the fact I did my absolute best to cook something that could work. It just felt like too many hoops to jump through for its effect.

Cozy: 56:19

I would've, I would love a three cost Morgan with even plus two power. I would love that. I think that's that. To me, that's what it feels like. But also you could go the other way too. You could go with the five costs with more. But again, I feel like with just where she works in with discard and destroy and, and even the zoo cook builds, like it is, it's a, for me it's the cost issue. But yeah, you're right, right now we're playing around five'cause that's where it's just working out to play her. But I feel like, man, I don't think they ever would make her cheaper. But I like Morgan's future. I do, I think I overrated it though. I think I gave her like a four.

Alex: 56:53

You know what? I don't remember. What did we raise? Maybe three and a half maybe. I think that was pretty. No, you landed three and a half. I landed three on Morgan Lae. Okay. Alright, so that's fair. I think she could sell it. Oh man. I don't know if she makes it as a three. I think she might feel more in like the two and a half range right now. Like that's my opinion, but like the effect is so good. Listen, when you get that pop off, it's so good. The only challenge is, is she so much just comes out like, or you don't draw misery or you don't draw Killmonger or like the line doesn't work. It just doesn't work. The whole deck dies. Like, it just falls apart in a way where it's like, well now I'm doing nothing. You know what I mean? And that's why I tried to add Beast and Falcon. So you at least have that secondary bounce line to generate power, which I did rely on to win games. Morgan was cool, but it, it felt like a lot of hoops to jump through. That's what I'm trying to say. Yeah. It's

Cozy: 57:38

fair to say too, there's so many cars that came out this week. Like she was probably the least tested, or at least amongst the least tested. So we'll, uh, you know, continue to see her develop. But yeah, I think she's gonna be ending up more like two and a half inch.

Alex: 57:51

And Jennifer Kale also came out, which, uh, nobody cares about at a 2% meta popularity and a 48% win rate. Cozy. You and I came in really low on this particular card, and I don't know if you're surprised. I'm definitely not. It is not doing great. I came in at two stars. You came in at 2.5. Jennifer Kale, are we sleeping or is this card just not really that impressive?

Cozy: 58:12

Nah, the only place I thought was fun was Galactus, but besides that, yeah, that, that's, that was about it. It just, there's always like, why not just play anything else almost, is what it felt like a lot of the time with her. So I, she just feels like not needed. Uh, you know, definitely, like, that's just my ultimate review for just a card that's not needed. If it never came out, if I never got her, you know, I'd be okay.

Alex: 58:33

I think it's a fine series four release.'cause this is not the kind of card that could have held its own as a series five, like this is the card of the week type thing. The way Mercury I think could have, uh, but, uh, Jennifer Kale definitely under, uh, underperforming on these first initial days of testing. But then again, there's some people that might not have even had her upfront Cozy. That's gonna take us to our next topic of conversation, which is. Are we getting too many cards in Marvel Snap? Last week, Cozy and I, we talked about how we had 10 cards to talk about and surprise, surprise, it wasn't even 10 cards that was released last week. It was 12 cards that was released last week due to, well, we'll just say a couple of malfunctions with the, uh, Snap pack system, but 12 cards in a single week. 12 cards for not a single week, 12 cards for this whole month. Is it too many cards? Cozy.

Cozy: 59:20

I think that's a tough question to answer. Uh, and uh, especially you get tossed to it. I would say no with the cars that we got this time around now, like, if we get 10 cars and they're all extreme, like, think about Jennifer and Morgan la Like some of these were more, a little bit more in the niche side. Like Merlin was a big hitter, but it's like when this continues to go, like I looking ahead, I was looking at some of those, I'm like, that's where it's like, man, it's gonna feel like. Uh, fantastic. Four is a great example'cause a lot of'em synergize with each other. And if there's like seven that you truly need to make that thing work, it's like, it's gonna feel like you're always playing an inferior version, so that can feel bad. It's a lot of cards though, man. It is definitely a huge bump up from what we had. I mean, if this was in the spotlight days, good God almighty.

Alex: 1:00:07

The concern that I have is that I feel like the release of 10 to 12 cards in a given season is diagnosing the wrong problem. I don't think Marvel snaps decline, which I know is being felt across a couple different segments. I don't think it's being, it should be attributed to, oh, we're not releasing enough cards. It's not the problem, right? That's not the problem. So releasing more cards in anything might actually exacerbate the problem of the hamster wheel effect, where people feel like they can't keep up.'cause if you think about it, you got the season pass card, which is great. I actually love it this month, but it's still 10 bucks. Call what it is. It's 10 bucks.$10 American, by the way. And that American dollar, it's stretched depending on where you go in the world, man, if you're in Canada, it's like basically an extra four bucks to get that. But um, then you have five series five cards in the season. Whether or not you're getting the uh, you know you're using tokens or using the packs, that's 25,000 tokens to 30,000 tokens, depending on the method of which you're using to access them. Then now you have four season four cards. That's 10 K tokens or 12 K if you have to use your tokens. You have the two event cards as well, right? So you got the two event cards, and those should be free, which is great, but if you can't finish the events or you go on vacation or whatever. Those are series four. So you're gonna be paying five to six K tokens for the two together, right? Because they're 2,500 each or three K with tokens. All in all, you're looking at somewhere where if you're getting everything just kinda using the, the Snap packs, the cheapest way possible, 30 5K and you get the two for free, or now suddenly you're at 48 K. If you have to use tokens for everything and you don't get the event on locks. 48 K for a single month to keep state collection complete is insane. And um. It makes me nervous. It makes me nervous'cause I feel like it's something that could really turn players off and, and that's kind of where my concern is. Cozy.

Cozy: 1:01:58

Yeah, I think, uh, it just depends like how much you play, how much enjoyment Snap gives you. You gotta look at that. I, I never want to tell people how you spend your money. I like if people get Starbucks every day, it's like, do it, whatever. And if you play Snap and you. It costs you 120 bucks a year to play the whole every month with every season pass card and getting a good majority of the cards, but you're playing it all the time. It's great. Probably a great, use of your money considering Mario card's 80 bucks and, uh, you know, who knows how long you play that. Right? So it all, it's just a, it's all relative of how much, you know, our all card games are super expensive, I think snap's way too expensive. I mean, that's just something I've always. Been pretty adamant about but there's also a lot you could play with it. You don't have to be collection complete, let's face it. But also, if you play it and you're that invested, then it's that weird entry.'cause you get the season pass crush, you're already invested. And then it's like you're, if you invested that much, well, you might as well try to be collection complete. And then that's where the hamster wheel comes in. So it's a tough call'cause like playing magic, certainly. I'm never gonna own all the cars. I'm gonna even try to Right. But like. It because it's Snap. It's such a, and the other thing is magic. To keep the car, like physical car gives you keep the cars. That's obviously a, a big difference, but I think it's just the value of what it brings you. And if it's causing you anxiety or whatever, or just like you're having less of a good experience by trying to chase it, then yeah, then don't do it. And I think it's bad. So I think it's a tough call. I'm not there yet. Obviously like this is what I do for a job a bit, but even like. I'm able to like level my feelings. I'm not quite there yet where it's just like, you know this, like I can never catch up hamster wheel feeling, but I certainly can understand, depending on how you place that, if this, any of this makes sense, it's how, what are you, how much is Snap doing for you per month? How many hours are you putting into it? How much do you enjoy? Does a game, you know, that's how you can kind of level out what it takes to, to get there. I guess that's not even the question, but that's just something that was on my mind.

Alex: 1:03:54

I think that everything you said is absolutely valid. I think the concern that I have is that when I hear of people leaving Snap or you know it losing players or not being as popular as it used to be, first of all, every single game goes through a lifecycle, right? And that's one thing I wanna see, but we go, snap's dying. Every game's kind of just dying all the time. You know what I mean? Like that's just kind of what games do. But in the case of Snap, obviously I love this game. Obviously you love this game and we'd like to see it succeed. I just have concerns with releasing that many cards because of the effect that it can have on players. And there's another side to it as well, which I certainly feel as a creator, is that like, listen I cook all my own decks. I actually, it's one of the most fun things I do when I'm at work and I'm walking around and the students are writing tests and I'm making sure they're not cheating. I'm just thinking about like, how am I gonna build this deck? How am I gonna do this? I, I treat it like a problem solving challenge for myself every week. That's why I come up with inventive things for Morgan Lafe and stuff like that. They might not always hit. Sometimes you get the bullseye deck, which is a hit, right? Like, and that's cool because like, that's like, that's what I love about the game. But at the same time, you also, when you're releasing 12 cards in a season, cards don't get a chance to breathe cards, don't get a chance to like have their chance in the meta. The meta doesn't get a chance to settle. I don't even say, I don't wanna say settle'cause that's like, that's a, a bad or negative attri uh, attribution. But like you have OTAs, you have 12 cards coming out. Think about Lasher and doxy. Lasher and doxy barely saw play and I'm gonna say barely got tested before they, uh, lasher's different'cause of cerebral what? Doxy. Doxy. Even though it needed a massive buff, I'm telling you right now, saw almost no play, no one really gave it a shot because it came out at a time where there was so much other stuff happening. Jennifer Kale. I couldn't care less about Jennifer Kale's release. I don't think it's a good card anyway. I just don't care. And because I don't care'cause there's so many other things I'd rather play. I'm just not gonna test the card and it's gonna just languish because of that. And think about how long Thanos on the original release we talked, we joked about it, we went through the, like the kind of backwards thing. Thanos sat as a underappreciated and underutilized archetype for months until it popped off and went absolutely crazy with Thanos Lock jaw. And so like there are so many cards coming out, none of them have a chance to breathe, and I just don't think that's great for the game.

Cozy: 1:06:08

Yeah, I think, this is one of the few card games that don't have boosters and you get like a bunch of bad cards and a couple good ones. So as long as they continue to like be cards that are unique and playable. But that's where like Snap packs is like pros and cons.'cause like you can't avoid a Morgan Lafe. If you pull, you pull and then you have that card in your collection at that point. Right. So I just want like filler to fill that up. I think the biggest thing to look out for is, you know, less people play the games they're gonna have to, the, you know, more cards are coming so that they can get more from the people that play the game. How mobile games work, which is what Snap is, is that, and I've seen life cycles of numerous examples and what you don't wanna see is them squeezing what they do have out of the player base now because that's. You know, on one vein they have to do it'cause that's how they keep the lights on. But in the other vein it's even more evidence of a, a showing of a game going down the drain. Right. And we don't want that either. So it's like it, at the end of the day, it, I've seen this song a dance, and a lot of it is. Whether it's uh, star Wars Galaxy of Heroes, which is like a hero collector, it's the same thing. And then new upgrades come out for those heroes, and the people that are invested are gonna pay to stay at the top and stay. It could be a slippery slope, and I would hate to see that happen here.

Alex: 1:07:19

What I would invite is, uh, you know, those that are listening and watching, leave some constructive feedback down below for second dinner. And if you're watching second dinner, guys, take an opportunity here to take a look at what people are saying, how they feel. Let them know on Discord, because obviously this is the first season this has happened. They also had a bit of a surprise with obviously the two cards that got released by accident. But most certainly guys leave them with the feedback because if you're feeling stressed or if you love it,'cause now you get to cook even harder, let them know because. Obviously we want this game to be successful and your feedback is going to be immeasurable in kind of them ironing out this system. And we're talking about ironing Cozy. We need to iron out my culture references'cause in the Snapchat mailbag, my gosh, Cozy. We had a number of questions where just man, some of these aren't even questions and we're gonna start with the first one from Doug, which said, Gandalf and Dumbledore are not played by any of the same actors in anything. I understand Alex saying that he has media blindness, but he said it twice and Cozy just rolled with it, and then Cozy later did respond to that exact message saying, well, sometimes you just gotta let Alex believe.

Cozy: 1:08:25

Yeah. You know, guys, if I stopped Alex every time he said something, we would not get through a lot of subjects. So I gotta sometimes. Sometimes it's not worth the fight or the minutes, you know?'cause then we're, then we're like four minutes deep and then I'm walking through actors and, you know, you've never heard of them. And then we gotta, you know, so sometimes you just gotta let the, you gotta let a peacock fly. And I, I let, Alex is my peacock.

Alex: 1:08:45

I do appreciate that. For the record, man, I totally thought they were the same. Oh, I, I totally needed do. I had no idea, dude. Oh, but listen, I I might not have been the only one. So anyways that's something worth noting. And we also had someone step in Darth shadow, a little bit of information for us at the affirmation, hookah conversation. Alex Hookah consists of tobacco leaves that are flavored with different molasses. For an example, mint. Blueberry and et cetera. It has much less nicotine than cigarettes, so you don't get the same rush. It's more of a chill thing. Uh, you smoke for an hour.

Cozy: 1:09:18

Yeah, there you go. Brought to you by Hookah Incorporated. Yeah. The more you know, I, uh, yeah. So you haven't been to Hookah Lounge? I think I've been to a couple back in my youth.

Alex: 1:09:30

So quick story. My wife and I, we lived in an area where this brand new, like hookah place was, I don't know the exact region of the world where it originates from, so I don't wanna sound ignorant to that. But we went in and I'll say we stuck out. Like, we're like, people are like, kind of did like the whole, like we walk in the door, they're like, kind of thing. I was like, don't

Cozy: 1:09:49

say.

Alex: 1:09:50

I was like, all right. I just, I, this place looks quite, everyone had like, they had like these huge, they looked like massive bongs. Were like, they're huge, right? I was like, I dunno what these things are. I sat down, I'm like, you guys do like dinner and stuff, right? They're like, yeah, yeah. And honestly we got like, we got some like Nan bread stuff. Oh, so good. Dude, it was so good. The food was so good, but I had no idea what the hell was going on. People were smoking all stuff. The whole place smelled like strawberries. I don't know if I was going to I don't know if it was like crazy secondhand smoke or whatever. But I walked away impressed and this place had Christmas lights all year round. Why are you laughing? That's awesome, dude. It's great. I love that. No, this

Cozy: 1:10:21

is great. This is a great story. Do hookah kids is what Alex is trying to say

Alex: 1:10:25

and Austin can't do. In similar conversations. Like this said, I love how Cozy shrinks when he gets tired throughout the Snapchat.

Cozy: 1:10:33

I stayed up this time I, and I feel sick as a dog and I stayed up This time I made sure I was cracking up man.'cause I saw like top comment. It was like Cozy iss going down the further the episode goes. And if you take the scrub bar and you just pull it from left or right, you, I just like. I didn't even know I was doing it too. I think I was just barely hitting it on there, uh, at MyPillow. I'm glad people appreciated the mic, pillow shipping comments. I

Alex: 1:10:57

saw you, dude. I thought it was absolutely hilarious for me. I thought it was absolutely hilarious. And, uh, everyone's like, oh, you should guys do more late night episodes. I'm like, guys, first of all right now, I feel absolutely energized. It's still super late on anyone. Like, it's almost it's almost like, what? Oh, close to midnight here. 1130. Like guys, this is crazy, right? Like, it's so late for us as it is for the average person. I don't wanna keep recording at 3M just'cause it's more funny. Oh,

Cozy: 1:11:21

I do. I love, I love the, it's 1:00 AM for you, bro. I love the middle of the night. I love the middle of the night episodes. Those are the, those have always been the best. Every single time. We're always like, man, I think people are gonna hate this. And it's always the opposite reaction.

Alex: 1:11:33

We have two more quick questions here that we can get through, and the first is from Noel who says, hello, I know that Marvel works with second dinner. If Marvel called you to play yourselves, which film or show would you want to be in? Now Cozy. I know that's the one that kind of hits you on the spot here. So I would like to say, I'd like to voice act in what if, if I could, I feel like that's a good starting point. If I had to say, I bet you I could sneak in somewhere as like a daredevil. Like a Daredevil extra or some random character, like who gets shot or something in Daredevil, that probably makes the most sense. And if I had to pick you Cozy, I would say that I could see you being a reporter in a segment, like kinda like someone on a TV being like, New York is on fire and blah, blah, blah. You know what I mean? I think I can see you doing that.

Cozy: 1:12:15

I appreciate it. I have you seen the Doctor Strange when he is in the church and the lady behind him is an extra and she's trying everything she can to not look at the camera. Have you seen this thing? No. You gotta see it. It's one of the best moments of the MCU. I wanna be her. I want to be an extra That's like you have like out in America in Ironman talking and I'm right behind him and I can just, I'm just like, that's what I wanna do. That feels good. That feels, that's my mark. I. And then I can have like a YouTube video where I have like a red circle and there's me blurred out in the back and I'm like, I made it tell 10-year-old me I made it. And then that would be it.

Alex: 1:12:53

That is generally incredible. I like that. Aspirations. I also like that we're being realistic. We're like, I like Cozy is not like I'm gonna be the next Ironman. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like we're being realistic with how we're gonna break into the MCU here and Don about breaking into the MCU. I don't know if I can do it with comments like this. We recorded one of my absolute favorite podcasts we've done in a while last week, and somehow the top voted comment was, is Alex using lipstick? Was it really top voted comment? Was it Alex using lipstick? And here's the thing. I even told my wife, I was like, like, I'm like, yo know, like seriously Cozy, and I recorded in the middle of the night. It's so much funny stuff. It's a great episode. And the top comment is, if I'm wearing lipstick, people pick your money for

Cozy: 1:13:33

those

Alex: 1:13:34

red lips. She's like, are you? I'm like, what? I showed her the video. She's like, she, you do look like you're wearing lipstick. Are you? I'm like, no. I'm like, I got chapstick. I got a pink one, but it doesn't come on pink. I got an orange one. This is the one I usually use. She's like, your pinks. You do look like you're wearing lipstick. Alex they're right. I'm like, dammit. What do I do? Do I fix the lighting? Do I get a new camera? I'm not wearing lipstick. I don't know why. It looks like I do. I, I wanna apologize to everyone who thinks I'm wearing lipstick. I'm not wearing lipstick, but if I was, who cares? Alex, wearing lipstick. Uh, lipstick is confirmed. It's confirmed as is the end of this podcast. We appreciate each and every one of you guys, and we'll see you on that next one.

Cozy: 1:14:13

guys, excuse me, for being a little bit under the weather today. That's why we're a bit, uh, a shorter on time and, uh, you know, not as much hookah talk this time around. Alex, uh, but I, I've gotten a many requests to to get you over to the hookah for you to try it. Actually, people were like, I can't believe you cut it. It was only like one other line right there. And then there was also noise in the background, so I cut it right when you said something about hookah and that was the, the, the comment of the last Snapchat. Anyway, guys, we hope you enjoyed your week here, hanging out with us on a Monday. We wish you a great, uh, rest of your summer week in June, and we'll see you on the next one. Happy snapping.