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Tanks in the Streets, Troops in the Cities: What's Really Happening?
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Hello everyone and welcome to another episode of Left Face. My name is Adam Gillard, here with my co-host, dick Wilkinson. How you doing, buddy? I'm doing great, adam man, it's only been a few days five days since we last recorded and it is hitting the fan already.
Speaker 2:Oh man, it's crazy Every day.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, let's kick it off. Well, no, before we even go into the chaos, let's start with something that's going to be pretty cool and pretty positive. We're going to have the no Kings Rally here in Colorado Springs on the 14th at noon, city Hall, and what we're going to do is it's not just going to be a protest. It's going to be a protest. We'll have our signs, we'll have our chance, but it's really going to be a demonstration of the overall will and resolve of the American people and our ability to herd cats. So what we're going to try and do is line the streets with protesters from City Hall to Uinta. It'll be a mile long. We have plans for all this. You just show up and we'll get you taken care of. And, at the same time, there's going to be a team summoning Pikes Peak with a banner, unfurling the banner and sending us some pictures.
Speaker 1:So, we'll have the highest protest in the state and the longest protest in the state. Chicago had one that was 30 miles long. I don't know if we can pull that off, but that's impressive.
Speaker 1:But it should be a great day. We are always a peaceful protest organization. We believe in, you know, exercising our amendments properly and effectively. You know using our First Amendment effectively. That's why we take the time to plan these things and execute them, and then afterwards Pride's right down the street and we can go hang out and party with Pride. So it's going to be a great weekend hang out and party with pride. So, uh, it's going to be a great weekend. Uh, I really hope everybody you know, take the time to come down, you know, either for our stuff. On Saturday or on Sunday, the, the parade for the pride's going on. Uh, my wife actually plans that. So, um, we'll be driving for the Dems. So, yeah, I hope everybody gets out downtown this weekend.
Speaker 2:And, um, you know, for the listeners who aren't familiar with why, is it called no King's Day? I mean, obviously we understand where the Donald Trump, as his behavior is very king like, but the thing that's happening on Saturday, there is a trifecta of events in Donald's life. It's Flag Day, it is the 250th birthday of the US Army and it is the 79th birthday of the US Army and it is the 79th birthday of Donald Trump and he is going to have a parade to celebrate this wonderful trifecta and that parade is a military pass and review a la Kim Jong-un right.
Speaker 2:He went there and saw that and he was like why can't we do this? And he tried to do it in his first term. And I mean I don't know why it just f was like why can't we do this? And he tried to do it in his first term, yes, and I mean I don't know why it just fizzled right. Everybody just said this is a terrible idea. Yeah, because he sang about Putin's praises.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think it was Putin's that he saw and he started singing his praises. Surprise, yeah, yeah, and it's all to stroke his. And I've seen the trains of the tanks. Yeah, so many tanks, like the trains, are hundreds of cars long, with a couple of tanks in each one. Yeah.
Speaker 2:One is going to destroy the streets. So there's $15 million, $16 million set aside to repair road damage in Washington DC. And the Army said, oh, we shouldn't damage too much stuff, Right? Like they literally said that this week Right. We've heard the army say that yeah.
Speaker 1:Right, I've said that yeah.
Speaker 2:Have you ever seen a city in another country after the army rolled through? Right, it's not there anymore. Yeah.
Speaker 1:And then just to go to if you are putting 15 millions into your roads, you are shutting down traffic, you are making everybody's lives miserable. For the next six months to fix those roads. Oh yeah, in DC, in DC, yeah. So you're not just screwing up the roads and cost us money to fix it, but everybody there is going to feel the effects of it. Yeah, it's just going to.
Speaker 2:The budget right now for the parade is I believe it was $45 million, jesus, and that's to get all the soldiers there, get all the equipment there. Like you said, that costs a lot of money to move a brigade of people.
Speaker 1:That's a couple million dollars a day, and then they all have to start staying in Trump hotels.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's true? Yeah, yep, so you're not wrong. The parade is expensive and some people I guess there's a small group of what you would call patriotic people, maybe I don't know what they would describe doing something as complicated and expensive as this is. So just doing something because it looks cool, is that worth $45 million?
Speaker 1:Right. One thing I really hate about American culture is the hero worship that we have of soldiers, veterans, everything Just kind of blanket. I appreciate when people say thank you to me, but I know that they say that to everybody. I know that not every veteran is a good veteran. Oh sure, sure, you know what I mean. I think we have too much hero worship here, sure.
Speaker 2:So haven't you seen my cards covered in stickers, man? I want everybody to know, you know.
Speaker 1:You know, and I'm comfortable with people doing that, but it's when people don't stop and think about it's not the equipment that we should be celebrating, it's the people that are operating the equipment. Okay Right. So even just taking all this equipment to show you it's not I don't know, it just doesn't hold, it shouldn't have any intrinsic value to us. The people behind it should have that value, not the stuff that's killing people.
Speaker 2:It's made straight up to kill people, tanks and rocket launchers rolling through the streets. Again, it just looks cool.
Speaker 1:That's it, that is 100%, but we should not glorify that stuff. People now think that it's easy to pull a trigger and kill people, and now we have 7,000 Marines supporting in LA that are trained Well, it's 700 Marines, but it's 2,000, almost 4,000 National Guard at this point.
Speaker 2:So we're getting close to 5,000 total troops.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know and these are folks that you know, we talked a little bit about this where, when you go into these situations, you're trained to shut off your humanity. You know you, you're trained to shut off your humanity. You're going to do bad things. That's why so many soldiers come back with PTSD and other traumatic experiences. They're trained to do bad things. And now they're looking at American people. They're stopping and they've been given the authority to take people Detain, to detain, and if there's any interactions or destruction of government property or personnel, they have authorization to detain, and so that means if any ICE member gets a brick thrown at them or a water bottle squirted at them, or anything minor even they are allowed to engage, yeah, and that should scare people Because, again, they are well-trained, yeah, and they're trained to follow orders.
Speaker 2:And the whole posse comitatus situation of not deploying military on US soil where basically the targets of engagement would be US people. Right that there's precedent and law both that says this is not how we do business, right? Donald Trump mentioned that in his first term he had too many political hurdles to be able to deploy troops in the way that he wanted to, and we all have read the different quotes where he said well, can't you just shoot the protesters in the legs or just shoot at them, but you know like, don't kill them? Right, and so his, his, um, we wouldn't expect him, having not been a politician or a government official ever before, to have much awareness around rules of engagement or law enforcement activity. Um, so I don't. I don't want to say that he should have known better, but at the same time, just the basic mentality of a citizen to say, shoot other citizens like that.
Speaker 1:That's a part where you should know better, right, like without knowing the laws and precedent you know, yeah, yeah, a little shorter humanity should be there.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's not right Right.
Speaker 2:And so you know the idea that the cops are just going to go out and indiscriminately shoot at a crowd to disperse the crowd. That's what he wanted to do in the first round. And so now he just recently said, as the situation in LA has been boiling over in the last week, he said that I don't have those hurdles anymore and I think we've basically found our roadmap to be able to do this and do it legally, and we've found the golden ticket to do the thing that I wanted to do in my first term. And we're only a few months into this. You know, like he didn't wait any amount of time really to crack this can open, yeah.
Speaker 1:And you know, because we talked about it way back when they started talking about these authorization zones you know they're going to start at the border and they're going to move to wherever you want. That's true, and they're going to move to wherever you want. That's true, and they're going to move this one into LA.
Speaker 2:I wonder how much similarity there is between the deployment orders that sent people down to the southern border and the deployment orders that sent people to LA. They look almost exactly alike.
Speaker 1:Funny story the folks that deployed down to the border left without orders. Okay, and they just got some form of TDY orders recently, but for a long time like they weren't even they were just there, it was all vocal vocational orders, or vocational vocal orders. Yeah, um, yeah, yeah, so like it's happening so fast that, but yeah, they probably have some blanket statements in the travel system, yeah, so that would be a an interesting clue.
Speaker 2:I mean, they've already mentioned um and so I guess I'll. I'll take this opportunity to talk about Pete Hexeth, one of the congressmen from California. Pete Hexeth was in a hearing this week in Congress and the congressman from California was pushing back against the idea that federal troops are deployed there now. And he said there's three different factors within the insurrection act that say that, you know, the government or the federal government can deploy troops over the top of the governor or local authorities. And he said he listed off the three different ones which one was like an invasion by a foreign nation. The local authorities have lost the ability to maintain law and order like full on, you know, just the cities like like broke down, like gone. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:And then the last one was that the federal government was not able to do some something to execute their duties and laws. And so he said which one of those three things is the condition for deploying these troops? And Pete Hicks said well, you just read all those off, sounds like all three to me. And he was just very brash. He was like we don't need rules is basically what he was saying. Like thanks for reading those rules out loud. The troops are there and they're not leaving, so read them again if you want, but I don't care.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So if we run through those the first one I could see them saying, well, yeah, mexico's letting all these citizens come in, and that's what Fox News that's the headline on every top of the hour is that. You don't say that about another nation as us, as a world leader in air quotes. You don't say that another nation has. That's a war. Correct If you say that you're starting a war, correct.
Speaker 2:With Mexico. That did not happen. No, mexico has a uniformed military that has not deployed Exactly, but they have deployed to defend our border Right, but they have not deployed to cross our border Right yeah. And then what was the second one? That the local authorities had lost the ability to execute the law.
Speaker 1:So I have some people that know, folks that are in those protests right now, and the chaos and the stage scene that you see is a small, small portion of what's going on there. It's like a of a block.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they were talking about one square mile you know, between two different capital I mean federal buildings there Right when you got thousands and thousands of people out there protesting. Yeah, so you know, it's ridiculous to think that the city has broken down to the point where you need martial law when it's one corner out of a city that size, right, you know? Um, yeah, yeah, that that's uh, but that's just another scare tactic that you always see them use, and it's so blanket and vague and nobody ever goes back. They just see that one picture of the guy standing on a burning car with a mexican flag and they're like well, americans are done with this. This has got to stop. What are? Are you talking about, man? Like it's just ridiculous. The reactions and the fear sells so easily to folks. Now, they just love it. Well, and you?
Speaker 2:know, I think I've pointed out that recently I'm Trying to balance my news intake, kind of like my, you know, benafiber or something. I've been trying to balance my news intake and man, when I was checked out on Sunday and Monday from the news that was going on, and so Monday afternoon when I kind of checked back into the real world, I saw that what was going off in LA, and so I said, man, this is my chance, Like I get, to see what's the difference between CNN and Fox news over the same topic, because I guarantee the top of the like six o'clock hour, they're both going to leave with this story. And what story am I going to hear? Well, cnn was being overly dramatic. They were standing right outside the federal building and they were. They were just using all kinds of you know rhetoric of like, oh, it's a tinderbox, oh, tensions are high, oh, peaceful protesters, but there's agitators, oh, and they just had the same little script and they had like five different people in different parts of the you know what's one square mile and they just all walked around acting like they. You know they were going to get blown up or something, and, and so they were overly dramatic about it. And then, of course, they just beat again. They beat down the narrative of it's the federal government's fault, people are mad that the National Guard is here, people are mad because of ICE, and it was all very pro-argument of the protesters and very one-sided. Okay, so that was that version.
Speaker 2:Then I flipped over to fox news. Man, total is so far opposite which you would expect it to be opposite, but it was a different news story that had the same pictures in it. That's how far away. It was right, and it was the. There's a foreign invasion. Here's the proof. And they showed four or five clips of both pictures and videos of people driving around with Mexican flags. And they said those people are all illegal citizens from another country. They're not American citizens. They're waving the flag of their home country. They're attacking government personnel and government buildings. What would you call that? Right? And they read out all that as a definition Right? And they said there you go. That's proof that we are being invaded, right? And then Circumstantial proof.
Speaker 1:Obviously Sure right, but I mean it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2:It does not matter at all. This is the court of public opinion right. The Democratic-run state and local governments are feeble and inept and they are trying to resist law and order in the federal government. And hold on, I haven't told you about this yet. He said I'm ready to talk. He said this is Jesse Waters. You're welcome, jesse. I'll give you the plug every now and then. Jesse said that the idea that a state government is resisting the authority of the federal government, that sounds like secession to me, he said. And the last time the Democrats led a secession it didn't turn out so well. So think twice before you go out to these protests, because that could basically put you on the wrong side of the Civil War. That's what.
Speaker 2:Jesse Waters said that's the road. He went on. He went and he said Gavin Newsom wants a Civil War and California wants to leave the Union because they'd rather have Mexican immigrants than American citizens in the streets. That was their top of the hour news story. So you had Aaron Burnett saying this water bottle is going to kill somebody and then you had Jesse Watters saying California is starting a Civil War. Yeah, Wow.
Speaker 1:So I think it's pretty interesting that Fox News took that judge's or the lawmaker's question there and used it for their talking points. Yeah, you could see them starting to spread that propaganda and seed it to say, like it does meet these justifications, because I said it yesterday, remember, it does meet that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they like oh yeah, it does meet these justifications because I said it, yes, yeah, remember it does meet that, yeah, and they've been trying to spoon feed that into the narrative since the beginning of the unrest, really, and just kind of get it drip it in there, and that I am a little bit annoyed because there's a truth and somebody knows the truth Arguments over Gavin Newsom and Donald Trump speaking on Friday night, slash Saturday morning and then again on Monday, and whether or not um Trump ever made it explicitly clear that he was going to send in the troops during any of those conversations, or Gavin Newsom made it explicitly clear that, like everything was under control and there was no need for troops, they disputing whether, what times they even spoke with each other, and then they're disputing what they talked about when they did talk to each other, so that that part's murky and I'm not just going to automatically trust Gavin Newsom on this one, like you know there's a website that parents use when they're, you know, like trying to co-parent and they can't talk nice to each other and like, so that we know what they say and what they say.
Speaker 1:Do we need the president to set this up with the governor so that we can?
Speaker 2:co-parent everybody Signal. They just need to use signal right Back on signal. Yeah.
Speaker 1:But the fact that we have so many adults trying to just act like children constantly and just have these pissing contests of I said this. No, I didn't say that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Just like we are in a position where you should be clear, like do not send the troops. Yeah, we got this.
Speaker 2:Well, and that's the public statements. But the problem is, is that on the phone what happened?
Speaker 1:Exactly, you know Exactly.
Speaker 2:Did you say it on the phone? Yeah, like, every communication needs to be, like, recorded with these phones. Yeah, well, um, you know, and again, that may be what the archivists that are studying our second civil war, you know, they may get to the bottom of that, you know. Yeah, I don't think we're on the cusp of that right now. Um, I'm going to bring up a totally related topic, but it's just a different event that happened this week.
Speaker 2:Donald Trump went to Fort Bragg, north Carolina, and he set up a situation where he had a bunch of troops behind him and you know, presidents do that. They go and visit people, go visit units, deployed units, whatever you know. Like good, that's good actually. But of course, donald Trump um made this the most perverted version of that that you could. And so he got out there, he got the wall of soldiers set up behind him, he got the camera shot set up and then he did a political rally with on a military base, with nothing but military members and their family members in uh, in attendance, right, and he got up there and said look at this great crowd. Do you think President Biden could have attracted a crowd like this? No way.
Speaker 2:And then people started booing President Biden and then he said you know, you're, all your brothers and sisters in arms are out in California and they're. They're top level professionals and they're doing a great thing. They're deployed and they're protecting our streets right now because the mayor of LA and the governor of California won't do it. Boo, all these people are booing. Right, there's soldiers in those units from California, guaranteed right, there are citizens of California in that formation, promise you, it's impossible not to be. You know what I'm saying. And so they had them booing elected officials that were political opponents. They had them booing just the ideas of you know the woke culture and different things like that. He was just trotting out campaign rhetoric, yeah, like it was the day before the election campaign, and but he was doing it with the audience of soldiers, right, man? I mean, I'm when I'm upset with him, I'm fully disgusted.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2:Yeah, that is such a, it was the worst thing I've ever seen a president do in that setting Right as far as got the troops on hand. What am I going to do to shine here? He just the worst thing he could possibly do.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's grotesque, because a lot of you know I don't want to say a lot, but they're in an environment that, like you have to go there, you have to be there, and then, when you keep hearing this information and then the president says these things, like that means something to these folks. Like, when the president talks, like they listen, yeah, and for him to sit there and rally and to not only, you know, just to celebrate the attacking of the previous administration. The folks that are going out there, you know, trying to talk about them as being like the heroes that you know when we went to Iraq and Afghanistan, like well, they're fighting in a war for you right now.
Speaker 1:Man that's scary, I mean that alone crossed the line.
Speaker 2:Like you know, biden's just a senile old bastard right Boo Like that no no, that's not what the military's for Ever. There's never a situation where that makes sense.
Speaker 1:You said that you don't think we're there at the Civil War point yet.
Speaker 2:What do you think would be the red red line like when does that, when does that become a reality? You know so. I mean the stepping on, you know, federal versus state stuff is the. Is this the thing, right?
Speaker 1:you know I mean the south has argued states rights for a long time now.
Speaker 2:I know that's the thing that drives me crazy is that I'm a states rights kind of guy, right, right I am. I like the idea, right, right, but this is so opposite of that, right, but it's Donald Trump's party that it is all about states rights, because they believe that that gives them the opportunities for religious freedoms and sexual reproductive stuff and all you know all the different things that they want to make their little havens of cultural pockets. And I'm like all right, fine that, I'm kind of fine with that, right, but the, the, the fracturing, and and what could get there is when martial law type deployments only happen in blue states, when, if, let's say, atlanta gets hot, I don't know, atlanta's kind of blue, georgia's a red state, but uh, let's pick somewhere. I don't know, atlanta is kind of blue, georgia is a red state, but let's pick somewhere else. I don't know, virginia Beach, maybe, just someplace that's like you wouldn't think of it.
Speaker 2:Let's say there's a city where it's more of a red place and it goes off and the National Guard don't show up. Right, dallas is going down in Dallas and Austin, right now there's been the threat of deployment of troops there. The problem there in Texas is, you know, if for our listeners I'm a Texan they would go for it, no matter what we like the idea of guns and troops and blah, blah blah. So that's almost a. The governor would do it without the, without the president needed to be involved. But there's other places that would not. I don't know Arkansas, you know. Just think the South right. Will the national guard roll out through the South, or are they only going to show up in blue States Right Like Michigan?
Speaker 1:you know, they got, you know a blue states, right like michigan. You know they got, you know, a blue governor right now.
Speaker 2:But there's, you know, chicago is obviously the other target, right, like how many national guard troops are going to show up in chicago, right, right, but then when it goes off in oklahoma city, nobody shows up, right like that. That would be probably a very big step if federal policy starts to start picking sides on how this, this type of behavior happens, which, you know, baby steps, right, they got four years to do this, three and a half left. Step one establish the modus operandi for having troops protecting ICE enforcement, right, that's what we see happening right now and that creaks that door open for the presence of troops in all sorts of other federal activities. And then, you know, look at that posture six months down the road, and if you have troops in some places and troops not in other places that are having the same problems, that's when my like alarm bells would start to go off, like, oh, they're pre-positioned, yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's interesting because you know you have the intelligence background, so it's interesting to hear you talk about that. One other thing I wanted to talk about on the big national stage here, or, you know, international stage, is the Iran and Israel conflict. That's kind of really stern right now. You talked about movements, troop movements, things like that. What we're seeing right now is our embassies in Iraq getting emptied out, folks moving, Bombers from Diego Garcia are taking off and getting closer to the action and getting closer to the action. We're seeing a lot of movements that indicate that not only if Israel strikes Iran because we think that's going to happen pretty soon A preemptive yeah, they're going to attack somewhere in the nuclear industry in Iran.
Speaker 1:And Iran has said when that happens, they're going to attack US and Israel locations, yeah entities, everywhere, yeah, assets. And they have the capability, they have a lot of.
Speaker 2:Oh, they've done it even in Syria, where they've Iran has attacked US interests in Syria. So yeah, there's not a border that prevents them from executing attacks over there. Right, they have proxies everywhere.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um, with, you know, the bombers taken off from Diego Garcia, uh, nuclear capable. This could be one of the situations where, you know, Trump feels it's his time to go nuclear. Um, because Iran's responses last time landed really close to Israel's nuclear weapons that are out in the desert, like they landed really close to some of them, and so they could take that as an existential threat, and if Israel faces an existential threat, they launch theirs and the whole place turns to glass. They're cool with that. We don't hear anything about this on the big news though, like CNN, like you said, they're focusing on those dangerous water bottles floating around, and there's nothing on this, when I think this is like it could be come really hot last night was the first time that I heard anything about it, and it was triggered by the us embassy evacuating people out of the baghdad location.
Speaker 2:But they said there's no specific threat, right, right, there's no danger to them in that like it's not unrest in Baghdad or some planned attack where they're like, uh-oh, you know, these people are going to get smoked, right? They just said we're just not going to be there for a while. Yeah, yeah, that's it.
Speaker 1:You know.
Speaker 2:If there's an indicator, that's it.
Speaker 1:You know we don't want to be in the middle.
Speaker 2:The middle, uh. We have nothing we can do beneficial from here if rockets start flying up in both directions over our head, so we'd be much better off back in a safer place, right? So don't know where those people are going to, but you know they're.
Speaker 1:They're moving as many of the folks out of that embassy location as they can like right now so when we assassinated uh salamani on iraqi soil and iran responded to that, they like gave us the heads up where it was going. So we were able to move some things and there were still like 14 head injuries, like TBIs from that attack. Yeah, but, but for the most part, we were. We were, we got the notice, we were able to evacuate, we were able to protect people and assets. When they say, when there's nothing, and they're moving people, yeah, you know, like, yeah, it's unpredictable.
Speaker 2:Yeah, people that are not us have a vote right, and between Israel and Iran, we don't have enough control in either direction to know what's going to happen, so we're just going to get out of the middle. You know, I agree that another story I heard this morning that again it's related to this, but the more detail, excuse me, another detail I heard. So this morning. It seems that the rhetoric or the reporting is picking up some um, the, and I had heard about this, uh, maybe a month ago, that the Iran nuclear deal, if you will, with the international nuclear agency that's on the table right now.
Speaker 2:You know, everybody knew Iran was not going to follow it or play nice, and I thought it was one of the worst things that ever happened in the obama presidency was the very sheepish position towards basically saying, well, don't make nukes, but if you do, we basically won't do anything. And that's where we've been for the last, I think, eight or nine years with them and that's about to expire, and so a lot of the I think there's 12 or 13 signatories on this treaty with them and any of them can invoke this like drawback clause. Anybody can unilaterally say we don't believe they're following the agreement, iran is not following the agreement and that they're moving towards weaponization, and we basically nullify the clause. That window, at the 10-year mark, I think, expires in October of this year, and so the clock is ticking for any one of the member countries to pull this clause and say that there's no protections for Iran, and all these sanctions just automatically go back into place.
Speaker 1:Now we're already out of that. We pulled ourselves out of that entire agreement.
Speaker 2:Trump did yes, right, and so the UK and France are still signatories, and both of them are basically the ones that are kind of watching the clock saying do we want to execute this instead of either it expires and there's nothing that replaces it. If we execute this now, then there's not a timeline on when the repeal of this stops, so we get to basically get a bridge by executing it Now. Iran has gotten to 60% enrichment on uranium and so that is beyond commercial grade, beyond nuclear power manufacturing. That is only you're moving towards weapons grade there. So there's no reason to have that except to produce a weapon.
Speaker 2:They have some number of hundreds of pounds of that material and it has been, you know, verified that they have built or you know finished some underground facility and all that stuff's going there. So Iran is got their centrifuges, they've got their weapon, they got their weapon factory built and they know, they know the timeline the same as everybody else. So they're trying to get all their weapon fissile level material into this underground bunker before somebody pulls the rope or before Israel shoots at them. So that's Israel's math. And the whole thing too is like if nobody does this by October, we will, you know, because we're not going to move into a future where there's no restrictions on Iran. We're just not going to do that. We're going to blow something up before that day comes Interesting.
Speaker 1:So I know a lot of because Iran's been close to a nuclear weapon for you know 20 years where people just say, oh, they're weeks away, yeah, months away Breakout capacity yeah, and you know it's one of those things where you have a problem that you know you solve the first half of it in 10 years, so you think the second half is going to take you 10 years. Every step of that problem gets harder and harder and harder.
Speaker 1:So it takes longer and longer, and one of the big things that but they only ever inch forward.
Speaker 2:They never inch backwards, right, like the people you're trying to control. Don't get further away from a weapon throughout this process, right? They just get to take little tiny baby steps that basically get codified along the way Like oh well, it's okay that you did that, but don't do any more right and like every two years they kind of finger wag at them oh, don't keep doing that. And they just do it anyway. Which is why I thought it was a terrible legacy for obama, because I knew that iran was just like.
Speaker 1:Ha ha ha they're just laughing about it. But when you pull us out, like they're gonna do it one way or the other, when you pull us out, then we don't have well I eyes on, I mean, but we we had an opportunity to be more aggressive in the situation and not you know, say no, no nuclear power either, like no, none of that stuff.
Speaker 2:If you got uranium or plutonium in the borders of Iran, wrong, you're wrong. Yeah, right yeah.
Speaker 1:To take a real hard ass stance like that. Yeah, yeah, I guess that would be kind of a.
Speaker 2:It's possible.
Speaker 1:And with nuclear energy. It just bugs me how it could absolutely have saved humanity but we chose it to destroy. Yeah, it just frustrates me. But one of the big things that keeps iran from, you know, making an effective, uh, long-range missile is just the miniaturization of it all. But you know, through ai and all these other things, like all this technology is going to transfer a lot easier. It's going to be a lot easier to make plans and try little things and like it's going to get that. You know it's only going to take more, another 10 years, like all that stuff's going to get that. You know it's only going to take another 10 years, like all that stuff is going to get exponentially.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, yeah, that's accelerated. Yeah For sure.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they're going to. The timeline of them getting it is probably a lot shorter than what some of the experts are seeing, I agree, and they're not thinking it's going to be done tomorrow or anything. But I think with the advent of our technology, technological advances, it's just coming faster and faster I I guess I'll look at it this way.
Speaker 2:I believe strongly in the resolve of israel that they would rather go down fighting and get into just the you know ugliest war possible with iran, versus wait and get into a position where iran definitely has a nuclear weapon right like I don't think they're gone, I think they would fight themselves to death before that happens you know, I went to israel and I get a masada agent.
Speaker 1:He told us a story. I pretty much said that exact same thing right there. Um, because they, uh, masada, if anybody's heard the story, masada, look it up, it's a crazy story. Um, but they, when you're 18, you join the military in military in Israel and you walk up the back path of Masada, the snake path, and you swear that you will never let Masada fall again. And he looked us in the eyes and he said and if we have to turn this entire place to fucking glass, we will.
Speaker 2:Yes, sir, okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, it was intense. Yeah Well, sir, okay, yeah, yeah, it was intense, intense. Yeah Well, what do they go through?
Speaker 2:And yeah, yeah, you're absolutely right, so I think the resolve is there.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:So the you know timelines just dictate when that resolve gets activated, yeah, so yeah, and there's, you know, as we talk about like our own government does this in certain situations. It's totally possible that Iran basically allowed Hamas to do what they've done over the last couple of years to get the attention off of their nuclear program. If everybody's got their troops and ambassadors and inspectors going through Gaza, they're not coming to Tehran.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's fair too, and you know it's really cheap for us. To shake this faint right Like this costs us just pennies compared to what we're really trying to achieve, so this distraction makes perfect sense for them. Yeah, you know that's the purpose of all those proxy wars that they have you know pecking at us and taking our eyes off other things. So that's, you know, move towards a breakout capacity.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so crazy, all right, well, we're going to wrap this one up. We got our best lunch that we're going to go to here in a bit and hope to see y'all out there on Saturday. We'll get this one posted here pretty quick, but, yeah, hope to see you out there and, like I said, this is going to be an incredible demonstration of the American will and you know, an incredible demonstration of the American will.
Speaker 2:And you know, I think my parting words to everybody this week is hopefully, if you hear this episode before Saturday, or you know what may go into Sunday, be safe out there. Right, keep your wits about you. Pay attention to your surroundings, pay attention to where the law enforcement are, pay attention to where people that are cheering and yelling against you know what you're cheering and yelling about, where they're at, because we don't want to see anybody get hurt. Um, but with what's going on in LA recently, I think it's it's just impossible to get to this weekend without some kind of disruption somewhere. So watch out for that and, uh, you know, just get away from it when that starts to happen.
Speaker 1:Yeah, when people say disperse, disperse, you know, uh, there's a lot more fight left to be had here.
Speaker 2:You know. So yeah, yeah, yeah, you can't fight from jail.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, all right. Well, thanks for joining us again. This is Left Face. I'm Adam Gillard, with Dick Wilkinson Tune in next week. Thanks,
