BEAUTY & CHAOS: The James Charles and Tati Westbrook Feud & The TanaCon Disaster

In this episode, we delve into two of the most talked-about incidents in the world of social media and influencer culture. First, we discuss the infamous feud between James Charles and Tati Westbrook, which rocked the beauty community and led to both parties losing millions of subscribers. We analyze the events that led up to the feud, the allegations made by Tati, and the aftermath that followed.

Next, we turn our attention to the ill-fated TanaCon, an event that was supposed to be a convention for fans of influencer Tana Mongeau but ended up becoming a chaotic disaster. We explore the planning and execution of the event, the impact it had on attendees, and the fallout for Tana and her team.

Join us as we unpack the drama, scandals, and controversies that have captivated audiences and brought to light the complex nature of influencer culture.

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Transcript

dana: Hey friends, it's McKnights of Magnolia. We hope you guys had a great week today. Naya has something special for me. I really am not sure exactly what it is, but I'm, I'm sure she's gonna tell me. So I hope I don't get embarrassed. I hope you're not embarrassed. Why would I be embarra? . I don't know. I meant them 

naiya: not.

naiya: Oh yeah. don't get secondhand embarrassment because of this old lady right here. Oh God. So what, what do you wanna talk about today? Two influencer beef scandals that I think are the most iconic in our time. I'm super excited. Are you ready? I do 

dana: have a question before we start. Okay. When you say our time is 

naiya: that?

naiya: That's my time. Okay. Like 2019 . Recent, 

but 

dana: old. Oh, that was just,  four years ago. Yep. I suck at math, but 20. Okay. Mm-hmm. . All right, . Okay. I am 

naiya: Ready. First up, we have James Charles Tati, Westbrook Sugar Bear Hair, Nikita Dragon, Shane Dawson, and Jeffrey Starr. Do any of those names ring a bell? Yes. Okay. 

dana: Think, 

naiya: what'd you say, Charles?

naiya: James. Charles. He has a pallet. He does. He bought it for me for Christmas. Ah, 

dana: okay. Okay. And then, um, couple years ago, I think Jeffrey Star, if I remember correctly, is really pale with no eyebrows. Yeah, that's him. Everybody else, I don't, everyone else 

naiya: you're stuck. Okay. Name them again. Nikita Dragon. Shane Dawson.

naiya: Tati. Westbrook. 

dana: I. . Leah has mentioned Shane Dawson before, but I don't really know who that 

naiya: is. Okay. So honestly, Jeffrey and Shane really have nothing to do with this, but they're, they butted in anyways. But let me, before I go off too crazy on a tangent, let me tell you the story about the falling out of James Charles and Tati Westbrook.

naiya: Okay. Crazy. Okay. [00:02:00] So I don't know if you know, but James Charles, you know, he got his rise to fame. He was the first male cover girl. Everyone loved him. He literally brought his own ring light to his graduation photos and did like a full beat. I love that. It was so cute. Although his eyebrows were horrendous, but I mean, it was the time.

naiya: It was like 2015, but 

dana: it happens. Exactly. It happens to best. They were horrible. 

naiya: But anyways, so he was on Ellen, everything like that. and then Tati. Westbrook was also in the beauty industry, so she kind of like took him under her wing like mother son relationship type thing in the beauty industry. Now, how old is, what's her name?

naiya: Tati. How old 

dana: is she compared to? Charles, that's who we're speaking about, right? James? But 

naiya: yes, James. Well, James, Charles. So Tati. Okay. He has two first names. I'm sorry. . Yeah. James Charles. He has two 

dana: first names. . I got confused. You're not wrong. 

naiya: Sorry. Okay, so Tati Westbrook, she's 41. Okay. And James is 23. [00:03:00] So like very much so like Motherson, more like Auntie.

naiya: Well, she took like a, like a, yeah. Maternal. Relationship with James. Like she saw James as like her own like little baby in the influence world. I get it. So anyways, so they were friends for. . So Tati has this birthday dinner. This is so funny to me. So Tati has this birthday dinner and it's like with her family, her old family, friends, things like that.

naiya: And I don't know if you know James, he is very, I wouldn't say vulgar, but he's very flamboyant and he's very much so like. Mm. He makes his presence known. Mm-hmm. . So there is this one sound on TikTok that I need to play for you that kind of like dives into the whole thing at the birthday dinner. Mm-hmm.

naiya: Okay. Also, we might need to blur some words out, but here's it. Okay. Like it was just like, like it was just like no big deal, like sucking d!ck and c@ck. Like I'm just like, oh my God. [00:04:00] Time and place, and you did it at my birthday dinner and I made excuses for you. Then you were talking in detail about things you wanted to do to the waiter, and when I said, James, he's straight.

naiya: Your response was, doesn't matter. I'm a celebrity. So freaking gross. And you said that in front of my family. in front of my childhood friend. Like, it was just like, no big deal. Yeah. So basically . Oh, 

dana: shh, . Okay. 

naiya: Oh my God. So she was, she was pretty POed at the fact that James was just speaking, um, very vulgarly about the waiter that was waiting on them at Tatis birthday dinner.

naiya: So James was just like, oh, he's so cute. He's so hot. And then Tati was like, he's straight. Stop because James is gay 

dana: if he's, I mean, but he can still appreciate a good looking 

naiya: man. But the thing is, is that he was, well, okay. Yes, you're very right. Hold on. So was it more than that? So I think. [00:05:00] Okay, so fast forward the waiter came out with a response and was like, I found it flattering cuz the waiter ended up being vicarious.

naiya: So like he's never been with a guy. Okay. But he was like curious about it and everything like that. Okay. So he was technically like flattered by what James said, but Tati was like, this is not the time nor the place to be talking about these things. Like, this is my birthday dinner. I think it was her 30 something birthday.

naiya: It doesn't matter 

dana: if it's her 50th birthday. That's so true. That's so inappropriate. Like it's so irrelevant. I mean it's, you say it. . Oh my God, this was her. It really 

naiya: doesn't. Yeah, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. But like Jennifer, I brought a friend to a birthday dinner and he was talking about that stuff.

naiya: You'd be like, oh my God, 

dana: I would've said something. Yeah. And really, if she was that angry, why did she not pull him to the side and say something? Yeah, that's so true. I don't think I would've let that go. . Mm-hmm. . I don't think it's totally inappropriate on a girl's trip or you guys are just hanging out, but I do think it's inappropriate.

dana: At a birthday, a family birthday [00:06:00] dinner. Mm-hmm. , I would've said something. Yeah. Send a text. Mm-hmm. send a text from the table. No one knows that you're texting that person. And then if they don't, you know, respond or you know, they start to look upset, just, Hey, will you come with me to the restroom for a.

dana: You know, we go to the restroom in packs anyway. Well, he's a boy. I mean, . Yeah. But, but I know exactly what he is. Exactly. Just, and you don't necessarily have to go to the bathroom, you just remove yourself from the table. Mm-hmm. . There's the way to 

naiya: handle it. To handle it. I agree. The waiter came out, whatever, with his own little video about the situation, and he was saying that he was like bi-curious.

naiya: He was flattered by James's persistence, . Oh. And they actually ended up going to a hotel room together and they just, they just made out. Okay. And then the waiters was like, mm, not really feeling it. Definitely I am straight like, so that 

dana: night, 

naiya: I think it was a couple, I think it was either a couple days or a couple of weeks later.

naiya: So [00:07:00] it happened aga, like. , I guess he got his number. James got his number and was texting him or his Instagram or something like that. Mm-hmm. asking, you know, to meet up or hang out. Yeah. And then they ended up making out, but it didn't go any further than that. And he was not feeling this anymore. I don't think.

naiya: He was like, I guess I was just curious. I got my answer. . Thank you so much. But like 

dana: deuces. But do you think he is not feeling being gay or he's just not feeling James Charles? I 

naiya: don't know. That's what the world may never 

dana: know because I think. There's a lot of open, I think there's a lot of, yeah, a lot of open space.

naiya: But then his video, he said that he was curious for a while, but then he realized that he didn't really, I don't know, I 

dana: guess, and this was his first experience. Yeah. With the same sex. 

naiya: Yeah. . Okay. And he just said he was just not feeling it, so, okay. Gotcha. Then James texted him all angry and was all, oh, well you're gay.

naiya: Don't let anyone else tell you that you're not, if you're having these thoughts like you're getting, that's what the waiter was super uncomfortable [00:08:00] with was the fact that he was like, okay, I was trying to tell you that I wasn't feeling it. There's nothing wrong with you. It's me. I'm still trying to figure things out.

naiya: Thank you for giving me that, whatever. And then James is like, you're gay, 

dana: you're gay, you're gay, . And I'm like, Hmm. 

naiya: I don't know, maybe he's not, maybe he really just tried it and didn't 

dana: like it, or maybe he's just not that into you. That's 

naiya: what I'm saying. Maybe he was just trying to blame it on his sexuality and never wants to see you again.

naiya: Yeah. But anyways, so that was a whole mess. ATI's birthday dinner and that really pissed her off. Then Ella happened in 2019 . Okay. And then, so I don't know if, was that the actual Ella, do you know if she performed in 2019? . 

dana: I think that was Okay, good. Because that, 

naiya: okay. Well you keep speaking because I'm facts.

naiya: Cause you're gonna do do the research. I'm gonna get facts. But anyways, so Tati Westbrook, she had her own brand of hair care vitamins, right? You're not even looking at me. I'm gonna look at y'all. So I'm researching. She's researching. So Tati Westbrook had her own brand of haircare product. She [00:09:00] had gummy hair growth supplements.

naiya: Mm-hmm , her number one competitor was Sugar Bear. , do you know what Sugar Bay hair is? No. Look up Sugar Bay 

dana: hair. Oh, I am still trying to look up. Ella, you have gots to slow down . Okay. She was 2018. 

naiya: Okay. So it was the year after Ella. 

dana: Okay, so we're, okay, so 2018 was 

naiya: Ella. 2019 is when this whole thing happened, even with the waiter?

naiya: Yes. Okay. All in 2019. Okay, got it. I Okay. Period. Keeping up. Okay. Yes ma'am. Look up sugar by hair now . Sure.

dana: Sugar bear hair? 

naiya: Yes. Okay. Yes. These gum, I think I've seen these on social media. Sure. Yeah. They're, they're all over. They 

dana: were all over the place. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay, so what about these 

naiya: vitamins? So that's Tatis, do they number one competitor? Probably not. Oh, so 

dana: sugar bear hair is not 

naiya: Tatis? No. Okay. So Tati has her own, I can never, I cannot remember the name of.

naiya: Gummy brand. [00:10:00] Okay. For the hair care vitamins or whatever. But I know Sugar Bay hair was like one of her number one competitors. Mm-hmm. . And so basically, allegedly what happened at Coachella was James was sent to Coachella with another brand. Brands send, you know? Yeah. Ambassadors. Ambassadors, things like that.

naiya: And then Nikita, this is where Nikita Dragon comes into play. Do you know who Nikita Dragon is? No. Look up. Nikita Dragon. Nikita Dragon. She's a trans woman. Beauty influencer. And she slays. I honestly love Nikita Dragon. 

dana: Okay, so Nikita Dragon commute. You like her? Yes. Look at her. 

naiya: What's so she's not light?

naiya: Her and Breman Rock are like, They were like thickest thieves. I don't know if they're still friends, but I 

dana: love Brett Breman Rock. He is. We're getting off so funny. I know, 

naiya: but okay. But anyways, so Sugar Bear Hair took Nikita and Breman Rock to Coachella. Okay. Right. And they were doing a bunch of pastel blue, pastel pink looks, bubble gum to go [00:11:00] with the brand.

naiya: Mm-hmm. , he texted Nikita, which is a friend of James's, but not a friend of Tatis. Mm-hmm. . So Nikita's not friends with Tati, but James is friends with Nik. . Okay. Did you get that? Not really, but . Okay. Anyways, and then I guess James' Suite or whatever he had, like the setup he had at Coachella wasn't private enough.

naiya: So like his 

dana: personal, where he was staying? 

naiya: Yeah. Okay. So fans were rushing in, like, you know, he just didn't feel safe. He was like a borderline getting attacked. Like, I mean he was like fine, like not hurt, but like he was still like, this is freaky. Like the way 

dana: the fans can just come in. It is scary. That is very scary.

naiya: So he texted Nikita and was like, Hey, is there any way that you can get sugar bear or hair to have me stay with them? And then so Nikita was like, yeah, sure, let me text them and see. And then so he was like, in return I'll do Instagram story promoting sugar bear hair. Okay. Tati was not aware of this. This is what allegedly happened.

dana: So Tati and James [00:12:00] Charles. Our friends or 

naiya: were friends, meaning they're friends at this this point. They're friends. At this point. They're friends, okay. Yes, they're still friends. So Tati sees that Instagram story about James promoting sugar bear hair and does not like it. Imagine if your best friend promoted another mother daughter podcast before.

naiya: they promoted us. Oh. 

dana: Like it's gonna be some slope. Right? That's what I'm saying. Yeah. Period. . Period. . 

naiya: No. Literally though. Like, think about it. 

dana: I know that is, that is, that's messed up. That's grounds for divorce. That's grounds for a fight. We're divorcing this friendship. 

naiya: Mm-hmm. promise you, I can promise you that.

naiya: I know. And especially with the level of followers that James Charles has. So how many followers, followers does 

dana: he have now? Yeah, let's.

naiya: somewhere in the millions. Oh, that's good. 22 million. 22 million. 

dana: 22 million. That's a lot of people 

naiya: like [00:13:00] imagine if that's like our friend had 22 million followers and didn't promote us on there and promoted someone else. 

dana: I can't even get that far. I'm still thinking about the 22 million. 22 million. Some countries don't have 22 million.

dana: Swear 

naiya: No, 

dana: I swear. So I'm like, where 

naiya: do these people come from? God, he's been getting like a little bit of filler lately. He does not look the same at all whatsoever. I mean, do you? That's so true. Who are we to talk about filler Botox? I feel attack. So anyways, back to . That was like a personal dig. So anyway, so Tati is p.

naiya: Oh, 

dana: do I need filler? Do I need a little bit under the eyes? 

naiya: Oh, , stop it. That hurt. . 

dana: Good. That hurt what you said. It hurt to me. Anyway. 

naiya: Carry. I'm just playing. So you're a beautiful mom. You're so sweet. Thank you, baby. So anyways, with all that stuff happening with James in Tati, like [00:14:00] ta, that was like really t.

naiya: Final draw. Like she was literally just like, I like, no, like, what are you doing? She was so upset. She was so mad. And then she would try to talk to James about it. James was leaving her, um, delivered, wasn't answering her text. She was like, he had multiple, multiple times to reach out to her and talk to her about everything that happened and apologize.

naiya: Mm-hmm. because he was in the wrong. and he just never did that. And Tati felt betrayed. She did a lot for James. He had nowhere to go. No one to talk to. Tati was that outlet. Like she literally embraced him like her own son. Tati was very, very, very upset with the way that James was handling that situation.

naiya: So she came out with a video. Mm-hmm. , and it said, bye sisters . Okay. Trying to cancel James. Charles, do you know about James Charles's intro to all of his YouTube video? 

dana: I have never seen 

naiya: a James Charles. You've never watched one YouTube video? No. Well, he literally, this is what he does. He's like, hi sisters, welcome back to my Toronto.

naiya: [00:15:00] Like, that's literally , like what he does and how he sounds. Yeah, so her video exposing James for everything that he did was by sisters. Like, I don't know, it's just seeing the, the tagline or the title right of that video was, Ultimate desk. That's messy. It was. It was so messy. So anyway, she went into detail about the things that happened at the restaurant, things with sugar, bear, hair, everything like that.

naiya: And everyone was attacking Jane. . It was so bad. He lost a lot of followers behind that and I mean, he eventually got, he seems to be doing 

dana: okay. Swear like what did he have 30 million before and then now 22 . 

naiya: I think he's okay. I think he's fine. Yeah. But he posted this other video, he was the same day in response to TTIs video and he was sitting there crying and he was like, oh no, I'm so sorry.

naiya: I'm just like, suck it up. Maybe he was. Don't have to cry about it. Like why would you post a video about you crying? [00:16:00] You are the 

dana: last person to say, I would never, okay. You would never record yourself as post. Yeah, that's the whole thing. But you're, you don't have a platform like that. He's used to sharing his life with millions of people.

dana: So I'm just saying that's his journal. That is his. Agreed. So I feel like for him, that is the right place for him to get on camera and cry. Yeah. 

naiya: I still don't know. I feel. , if you, I, I don't know. I just wouldn't cry and be like, you guys are so sorry. I didn't mean to hurt anyone. Like, suck it up and save your tears.

naiya: Tears. And record the video when we can understand you. Yeah, exactly. No, I know. Exactly. 

dana: Wow. That's what you're thinking. Okay. Before we even get to that far , I want to point out mm-hmm. . I'm not gonna say that he's not at fault. I think they're both wrong. I think so too. I think he, based on the infor, if let's say, allegedly, let's pull up [00:17:00] that article.

dana: You don't have to. Allegedly, all of this happened the way you just described it. Mm-hmm. , if that is the case. They're both wrong. James was wrong for promoting another brand. When you have a really close friend who has a brand, you need to the same exact brand. You need to be loyal to your friend, first of all.

dana: Second of all the, what's her name? Tati. Tati was wrong for running to social media first. Mm-hmm. to post 

naiya: anything? Well, she did reach out to James multiple times. How do you know? Because, well, she said it. Okay. She said she reached out to him, 

dana: allegedly, allegedly. Okay. But we don't, does she, does she prove receipts?

dana: Like does she 

naiya: bring up receipts? She definitely did pull up some receipts, but it's a 40 minute video and I just don't feel like going into and finding 

dana: the receipts. I just need a quick snapshot. But it's really not that important cuz it's just not that important. I just think in the grand scheme of things, they are both wrong.

dana: Mm-hmm. [00:18:00] at this point. James is how old? Like 

naiya: roughly? He's 23 now. He was 19 I think when this happened. Oh. And then how old is she? She's 40. Right, exactly. Exactly. Okay, because I was gonna go into that. Okay. So 

dana: I'm, she's ex 

naiya: I feel like she's expecting way too much out of a 19 year old, like in my 

dana: life. Yes.

dana: Yes. I, I am sorry. I love you guys , but, but for the most part, and this does not, Speak for all 19 year olds. Most 19 year olds are not responsible. You guys don't really think about the other person a lot. It's me, me, me. It's instant gratification. It's whatever. But that's, that's your age group. That's just part of your.

dana: Development. Agreed 100% as a 40. If she was 41 years old at 

naiya: that time. No, she wasn't. She's 41 now. She was like 30. Okay. 38, 

dana: 7, 39, whatever. Okay. Well, maybe not 39. Again, my math sucks, but she was old enough to [00:19:00] know not to expect too much out of him. Yes. At least that's how I feel. Mm-hmm. and. . I honestly think too Naya, I don't think I could be friends with a 19 year old, 

naiya: but like, it wasn't, we don't like, they were like friends where they were like, Hey, I feel in her eyes and in James' eyes, she was like his fairy godmother in the Okay.

naiya: That like that's the relationship that they 

dana: had that dynamic. I understand. Right. 

naiya: I don't, it's like she wanted to protect him. Okay. That not be his like best running and go clubbing together. Okay. That. But they probably did go to events and stuff together. Only, well, yeah, because 

dana: they're both in the same industry, but they're exactly the same.

dana: I get it. Yeah. The fairy godmother comparison, that resonates with me. Okay. Now I, yeah, I have a better understanding of the relationship because what does a 41 year old have in common with a 19 year old? Mm-hmm. , am I boring you? 

naiya: I swear. Swear. You have 

dana: [00:20:00] to be single. Time, I swear. And your dad did it? Your dad did it when he was on?

dana: No, I It's like you guys yawn every single time and I'm like, do you even wanna 

naiya: be here? No. I'm more than happy to be here 

dana: because I can, I can take my mic and go home. 

naiya: You be like across the hall . I've been put out of better 

dana: places I have been put out a place. 

naiya: Okay. But honestly, that's really the end of that because then Shane Dawson started calling Tati a liar.

naiya: Okay. And all this. , 

dana: who is Shane Dawson and how does he fit into the, is it a throuple or is it a ? Quadruple. 

naiya: Don't say, don't say throuple. Why? Throuple is usually used in terms of, um, a three person marriage and a three person, like sex pages. 

dana: No. Yeah. So 

naiya: when I use, if you Google what is a 

dana: throuple, well, when I say th.

dana: It could [00:21:00] be like me, Lydia, and someone else. No, just, no. That's really all like, it's a joke. Like, I mean, it jokingly like, not like we're really not a couple, or like if me, you and Erica went somewhere, we'd be . No, we'd be a throuple. Like I didn't, I didn't put a sexual, when I say it, it doesn't have a sexual connotation to it.

dana: I know, but that's what it means. . Okay, so 

naiya: throuple is asexual. It's like noted. 

dana: Yes. Okay. So my, don't forget that. Okay. 

naiya: Thank you. Don't ever call, put me in a th rumple with you and Erica ever again. 

dana: Okay? Okay. No offense, Erica. Oh my God, you're so dramatic. Okay, so how does Shane fit into, what are the names?

dana: James Charles. Mm-hmm. , 

naiya: Tati West. Tati 

dana: Westburg. And then who's the other person? Nikita Dragon. Okay. Nikita Dragon. So, so Nikita Dragon is off with, she's Breman Rock somewhere. So she's out of this 

naiya: because the only reason why she's really involved is because she te tweeted out the text that [00:22:00] James sent to her being like, the only reason why he posted Sugar Bear hair was because they needed, he needed to go to the room for Coachella.

naiya: Okay. Or whatever. 

dana: So how does Shane, that's a great question. And how old is Shane Dawson now 

naiya: probably hitting his like thirties or forties. . Shane Dawson is like a OG YouTuber. He's 34 right now. Okay, so he's 30. Was 30 at the 

dana: time. 30. And then, mm-hmm. Todd. Okay. Okay. And then James is 19? Yes. At the time. All right.

dana: So, okay. Shane 

naiya: comes. I don't know how or why Shane is involved. Honestly, it had nothing to do with him. Shane is very much so like the God at this time. He's like the godfather of the. industry, like other influencers will have scandals and Shane will do his documentaries on them. And like, you know, like things like, like that's how his channel got banged.

naiya: Like he's a huge conspiracy theorist. People on YouTube look for Shane and his channel to explain their side of what happened if they're in deep drama and deep trouble. So 

dana: he's kind of like [00:23:00] a documentary, is that? 

naiya: I have no clue. Or he does like 

dana: documentary style. 

naiya: It's, I barely went to college. , that's, I dunno.

dana: Or he does, I guess what I'm, what I'm trying to say is he does documentary. Yeah. Content. 

naiya: Yeah. Okay. And like conspiracy theories and stuff like that. He used to do like a bunch of like random stupid stuff on YouTube where he was like eating a bunch of food. It was like a whole like, traumatic experience for him.

naiya: Okay. But, um, but yeah, so Shane j he just fills in his 2 cents whenever he feels like it. Okay. So he was just calling Tati a liar. That's how he got involved. But he really 

dana: doesn't know these people. No, he does. He's, he, I mean, but through like, like as a coworker 

naiya: type. He was with James. He was friends with James at the time.

naiya: Okay. Him and James were friends. And then Jeffrey Starr. Jeffrey Starr just butts in everything as well. He has no reason to be involved in that drama. I have no clue why. Jeffrey Starr, I 

dana: forgot about him. We didn't, we mentioned him early 

naiya: on, but then, yeah, but that's why like he's very much so like at the end he was [00:24:00] involved but not really.

naiya: So Tati says that she was like coerced and manipulated into making the bi sister video that blew up the internet by Jeffrey Starr and Shane Dawson. So that was their involvement. She claims that she was forced to make that video. Right, right. Ain't nobody. Mm, okay. No, I just, she was literally, her exact words in quotes used, coerced and manipulated into making the 2019 video, namely by Star and Dawson.

naiya: I did not make my video because of vitamins. I made it as a result of all the poisonous lies that were fed to me by Shane Dawson and Jeffrey Star. . 

dana: I just think coerced is a big word. Agreed. Manipulated. I'm sure they probably were like, oh girl, you should so and so and so and so. Oh 

naiya: yeah, 100%. Cuz it helps both of their careers 

dana: and hyped her up to do it.

dana: Yeah. And then yeah, but so that 

naiya: they could talk about it on their channels. . [00:25:00] Right. She said Jeffrey and James were bitterly. Or Jeffrey and James. Jeffrey and Shane were jealous of James's success and that Jeffrey resented that so much of his business was centered around his biggest rival. Anyways, Shane called Tati a liar for saying that they coerced her into making that video.

naiya: He was like, mm, chick. No, we didn't like, and okay, that's basically the end of that, and James and Tati are not. I don't know if they're civil. Mm-hmm. , I mean, this happened for years. I'm, I'm sure they have to be civil, but Tati in terms of Shane Dawson, Jeffrey Starr, and James Charles Tati has very much so the least amount of followers and hype.

naiya: I'm pretty sure after this whole bias sister's beef between the two, she was nowhere to be found. No one really cares about Tattoo Westbrook anymore. But is 

dana: that such a bad, like, think she's irrelevant. I'm, I'm pretty, you didn't know who she was. I mean, that doesn't mean that's just [00:26:00] that I'm not her target audience.

dana: That's all that means. True. It, that does not, just because she has 6 million followers versus 22 million followers, that doesn't make her irrelevant. . It just, no, it just, I mean, not 

naiya: necessarily irrelevant, but no one, like she used, she went from being, you know, talked about and in the know, and everyone knew who she was to, wait, who is that again?

dana: She kinda fell off. But when you say, but when you say everyone, is that everyone that you know or is it true? Because it could be that she moved on to a different demographic. Yeah, she rebranded and started doing other things. Other things, and so you.

dana: I swear. Yawn. One more time. I'm sorry, mom. I'm sorry. Anyway, what I was trying to say in her defense, maybe she didn't become irrelevant, but rather she started doing different content that didn't appeal to you, so you're not gonna see it. You're sure. Maybe it's not my type of content [00:27:00] either, but someone out there, she's appealing to.

dana: Just not the original people. Right. She was appealing to That's so true. Yeah. I mean, that's just my 2 

naiya: cents. I can be told. No, I think I like her. 2 cents. No, your 2 cents are great. I like it. Do you know anything about Tana Mojo? Never 

dana: heard of. You've never heard of. Tana Is Tana. A girl. Yes. No, 

naiya: I've never heard of that.

naiya: Tana Mojo, blonde girl smokes a bunch of pot. She is known on YouTube for being this crazy blonde bombshell who just does a bunch of stupid stuff. I was on YouTube and watching her do one of her most famous story times, and I feel like people my age are definitely gonna know which one I'm talking about.

naiya: She was with a guy and they were having sex and he used a toothbrush and had sex with her with a to. Okay. No, 

dana: I know. Okay. Let's just, let's just leave it at[00:28:00] 

naiya: Every, like, it, like, I don't know how to explain it. I 

dana: don't see how 

naiya: that's funny at all. The, the video from Tana Mojo with her talking about it, to me that sounds like assault. Well, it, I mean, it was consensual. He thought that she'd like it, I guess. I don't know. Like he tried something and it just didn't work out in his.

dana: this is where the breakdown for me is. Mm-hmm. , like I am totally skid by it. What is skid? Skid is like, I'm like weirded out. Not even, I mean, weirded isn't, uh, the right word, but I, I guess I'm offended by it. Okay. And it's not even me. And then I don't know why. Also bothers me is you included, your flip attitude and everyone, whoever else thought it was funny because I don't find 

it 

naiya: funny at all.

naiya: Well, Tana finds it funny, which is why it gives [00:29:00] us the 

dana: opinion. Again, I'm not saying she's not, she doesn't have the right to be thinking it's funny. I just find that to be. Problematic that she finds it funny, 

naiya: but it didn't happen to you. So I don't know. No, 

dana: I, I can still, I'm not taking it to heart. I can still have something problematic.

naiya: Yeah. I mean, you can have your own opinions on it, but I don't understand, like, I feel like. It's like you're really bothered by it. I am. Which I mean, I understand that, but I again don't understand why, because A, it didn't happen to you or anyone, you know? So I feel like, and it wasn't told in like a sexual assault aspect, I don't feel you would wanna watch her story time anyways.

naiya: But she was very much so telling it in a way where it was like he. was like trying to do something that he thought that she would like, and then it was just weird, and she was like, why would you do that? That's weird. It was full consensual sex, 

dana: but how do we know it was full 

naiya: consensual [00:30:00] sex? Okay. I think you're really just diving way too deep 

dana: into it.

dana: No, I, I do, I find the whole thing problematic. Okay. And I, I don't like it. You said something earlier about I was having a hard time with it. , if that happened to you, I am going to be livid. 

naiya: Well, Tana also did grow up very different. She grew up in Las Vegas. She, well, her parents weren't there. They happened in North Carolina.

naiya: That could happen. No, but I mean, okay. But think about it. You're exposed to a lot more things in Las Vegas than you are in North Carolina, but there are a lot of 

dana: strict parents in Las Vegas as well as, no, and I'm not saying that there's, I.

dana: Nya, stop being mean. I'm not . You're not making faces? No. Cause you're got my, I'm saying it's like not everyone in Vegas. You're 

naiya: being a protective mom right now. I under No, and I understand that, but what I'm saying is that she had very neglectful parents and she was, and she grew up allegedly. No, it's not allegedly like that's the truth.

dana: But she said that. Or did her parents say [00:31:00] that? She 

naiya: does not know. That's according where her parents are. She doesn't know like mom, like, I don't know. I. But that's according to her. She, she was on call her daddy and speaking with Alex Cooper about it and she was saying how it really hurt her, how she grew up and everything like that.

naiya: So I don't, how did she say she 

dana: grew up? If you would, lemme get it. Al girl, you about to not grow up. , finish it. 

naiya: Got it to me. Okay. So basically she was just saying that she was exposed to a lot living in Las Vegas. Mm-hmm. with no guidance from her parents. Like her parents were very neglectful, let her do whatever she wanted.

naiya: Her parents were out getting high and drunk and all the time and doing their own thing, and they just left little old Tana to fend for herself at home. And then, you know, at like age. 13, I think she lost her virginity. She just grew up way too fast and was exposed to way too much, way too soon. So, and I think that's what turned Tana into that the person that she is today.

naiya: She's very much so like [00:32:00] this wild card. She has struggled a little bit with drugs and alcohol, things like that. So let me ask you 

dana: this. having said what you said about the way she grew up mm-hmm. and having a lot of hardships and experiences Yeah. Or I guess, experiences that no one that age should have.

dana: Do you not think that skewed her view on sexual assault or no? It probably 

naiya: definitely did 

dana: not. And not knowing that before when I said it, it's possible that she was assaulted but really didn't recognize. . 

naiya: I still think we're diving way too deep into it. Like that's really not like, okay. Like, I 

dana: don't know.

dana: That's just my feeling and I can't, I can't 

naiya: shake it at all. I understand. And I love the way you think about others. Mom, you're so sweet and you're so kind and beautiful. That sounds condescending. It's not. So, anyways, back to Tana. So Tana was kicked off a VidCon. Do you know what VidCon is? 

dana: Videocon, [00:33:00] right?

dana: Like ComicCon. , what is it? 

naiya: I mean, you are right, but so why did you, it is like, like explain to me. It's a video 

dana: convention for social media people. 

naiya: You're just really putting two and two together. You're YouTubers come and they do like a convention and it's like a three day thing that they do in Anaheim, California.

naiya: And they all the, your favorite YouTubers and influencers go. You could do meet and greets. Mm-hmm. . So, and VidCon isn't really much of a thing anymore. Think maybe it is. I don't know. I know VidCon was huge. Huge back in the day, like 2015 to 2019 I think. So Tana got knocked off VidCon and why was like, I don't, I don't recall.

naiya: Why did Tana get kicked off of VidCon? That's a great question.[00:34:00] 

naiya: She got kicked out of her band from VidCon, probably for being vulgar online. I wouldn't be surprised if that's what it was for, but anyways, she decided to make her own convention in Anaheim, California. The same dates as VidCon across the street. Get a girl. You would think so, right? I mean, 

dana: that's.

dana: Remember there's a fly in here. Remember , 

naiya: remember you saying that? Remember saying that hosting it at the same time in the same place and everything like that was a good idea. Remember that? Okay. Okay. This is how I thrive. Other people's drama, uh, look, I don't even know. . Okay. I love listening to other people's messy drama and it doesn't involve me.

naiya: Like I'm just sitting on the out, like, you know, that sound where it's like I just sit back and observe 

dana: like, you know Nikki, Nikki Minaj? Yeah. Mm-hmm. , 

naiya: it was like down at her d down in the DM verse, but that's [00:35:00] besides the point. Okay. So . So 

dana: anyway, why don't you quote Bible scriptures. How about that? ? Let there be light.

dana: Seriously? Like what Psalms 20.

dana: anyway. Carry on a night. Okay. No wait. Since you brought it 

naiya: up, what Issm? 

dana: 23. The Lord is my shepherd. I shall not want . Period. Period. Like, 

naiya: I mean, she grew up in the church. You should have, you 

dana: should have been taken to church. Never. Never took me to church. Hey, I did take you to church. Oh, stop it. When Naia, when we were in, um, South Carolina, we went to church.

dana: Went to church all maybe a year. No, we. No, we didn't. Okay. 

naiya: We went to church. Well, we still love the Lord, but I can't tell you the last time I went to church, 

dana: oh my God. That explains when was the last time you went to church? Don't worry about me . We're not such facts. You can, you can 

naiya: quote 

dana: your scripture.

dana: I know the Lord and I have a great relationship. Period. This is, this is not about me. [00:36:00] Carry on. That's 

naiya: so true. Anyways, I pray every night. Shane Dawson was there at her convent. Yeah, we're back on Shane Dawson. Free freeware. He is everywhere. I saw swear Shane Dawson has his nose in everything. You think I'm.

naiya: Okay. His noses and everything. So 

dana: he's like the Oprah of he literally, 

naiya: yes. He literally 

dana: is the Oprah. Oh, you're so excited. He's like everywhere. You get a car, 

naiya: you get a car, but it's like you get Dr. Henry, you get a, explain what happened. All right. Like he's shooting opportunities off at, at the mouth. Okay.

naiya: So basically it was like Ricky Dylan. Colleen b Miranda sings Colleen 

dana: Ballinger. Okay, now Miranda Sings was the girl with the red lipstick and it was all over her face. You watched those videos for Forever and I was like, Naya, turn this mess off. 

naiya: No, I love her. You loved it. I so love Miranda. Sings like, hater, her haters back off.

naiya: Mm-hmm. [00:37:00] Gold. So basically Tana Con is a huge disaster. She's selling these tickets, like she's selling vip, like her whole thing was that she wanted it to be less expensive than Video con. More fun than video con. Like she wanted it, it to be better. Everything that people hated about Videocon, she wanted people to love about Tana Con.

naiya: Okay? Like all the tickets were free. You just had to reserve a ticket and you had to pay $65 to meet all the creator. That's good. Like to be on a V I P list. Right. Okay. Like it's good. In theory, it 

dana: sounds like affordable so that a lot of everyone can go, yeah, it can 

naiya: appeal to more. Here's issue. Everyone can go.

naiya: So she, so the Marriott had the capacity, so they had the event at the Marriott in Anaheim, California. The Marriott bone room where this was being held could only fit 1018 people. Mm-hmm. , they sold 5,000 tickets for all three days, but that's not her. , 

dana: there's 

naiya: a produ. No. Listen, I'm getting, we're getting into [00:38:00] this.

naiya: Okay. We're getting into this. So, and you're right, it's not really Tana's fault. So she hires this guy. His name's Michael. Mm-hmm. . How old do you think this kid was? 

dana: 19 because he was 21. Okay. Because everybody else is like 12, so, so he 

naiya: was 21. Mm-hmm. , 

dana: even if you're not. a proficient business person. Yeah. The most basic of the basic is there is a limited amount of space no matter what venue you have.

dana: Yeah. That is like one of the first things you ask. Mm-hmm. , how many people can it hold? How much is this venue going to cost me? Right. That was just irresponsibility on both, and I'm not gonna say it's not her fault, but 

naiya: because it says it online, like she could have literally Googled and been like, oh, okay.

naiya: She could have did 

dana: what. However, if you're paying someone. . That's true. That is their job. And you delegate. That's true. Split tasks up and you give it to other people. Mm-hmm. so that you can focus on other things. She's out promoting it. She's out probably posting, she's out doing [00:39:00] things to get people to sell tickets.

dana: If this was her name. Yeah. And I just feel like her production team let her down completely because there's Yeah, 

naiya: 100%. She couldn't have done it 

dana: all by herself. And if, and if there were 5,000 tickets sold, then that should have been split up into two days, into the three or the three days actually. One day that was an easily, you know, easily solve.

dana: Well, she 

naiya: could have been like, solve problem. They could have sent it's a thousand. Three sold 3000 tickets. One for each day, like, you know what I mean? A thousand people per day. Cuz it was 1,018. 18 people under capacity. It's fine. And 

dana: you know Naya, how, how many tickets you sell it? No. You know, everything set of capital on it.

dana: Everything is electronic these 

naiya: days. Exactly. It's not even in 2019 as well. 2019 was a crazy year even if you didn't 

dana: realize it at the time. , you, you know, like the receipts start rolling in. Mm-hmm. , you go to do an audit and you look at it and you're like, oh my goodness, we have oversold such and such.

dana: Like, there is a report. No. Somewhere on somebody's computer that's, or somebody's [00:40:00] phone that says, my, my, my . Oversold. Oversold. Sold, oversold. Back it up, back it up. So then you either, you either refund coins. Or you extend it. No, exactly. So I really, this is just neglect. 

naiya: It really is. Basically, we could have planned anon and it would've been great.

naiya: Seriously, but here's a issue. So everyone was saying, this guy, Michael lied and said the capacity's 5,000 when it wasn't 5,000. He, and then he said that, and then he tried to cover his track. And said that the Marriott lied to him to say that their capacity is 5,000, but online, their capacity says 1,018.

naiya: So someone, is it Tana lying? Is it Michael lying? Is it the Marriott lying? Like who 

dana: lying? But was it one specific ballroom? Because you know, like if you go into ballrooms or if you go into hotels, they have, um, multiple, they have like the sliding. that if you need to combine two ballrooms, you just, you know, the doors come off or they, or there's little [00:41:00] slider.

dana: I have no clue. That 

naiya: wasn't mentioned in the documentary that she 

dana: lesson made. And that's the, I feel like there's some pertinent information missing because I feel like. . It could have been that one specific, like usually when you go into a hotel room, they have like the Virginia room, the Yeah, yeah, yeah.

dana: Such and such room. Maybe it was that specific room that only held like 1800 people, but I can't imagine a Marriott in Anaheim, California only holding 1800 people. Yeah. I I, so that leads me to believe that there were multiple ballrooms, perhaps. 

naiya: I don't know. I think they only, they didn't reserve the, I think the one room that they had was the one that was reserved.

naiya: The 18, um, hundred people 

dana: either reserved the additional rooms mm-hmm. or extend the days simple. 

naiya: It's really, it really is a simple place. 

dana: Tana, call me next time. Girl, I got you. No swear, Tana, I 

naiya: could put this together. You know what met Tyler Yahweh at the Post Malone concert and he's like besties with, um, I was there.

naiya: I. , were you there when [00:42:00] we met him? No. Y'all and I wouldn't. We went and we met him and he's like besties with Tana. I know. Cuz G Money took y'all out there. Yeah, G Money took us out there to see Tylee. I would've walked right past him. No, because I was like, oh my freaking God it's Tylee, Yahweh. I was so excited.

naiya: Cuz I know he's friends with Tana, like she did a whole like four 20 special on her YouTube channel four 20. Yeah. You know, she's a huge hothead, like huge. Okay. But um, back to Tana Con. So she was 20 at the time. Oh, so 

dana: this guy was 19 and then she was 20? No, 

naiya: he was 21 and she was 20. Okay. This Michael Guy was 21 and Tana was 20 at the time.

naiya: And Tana's, she's super irresponsible. Like she lives by the seat of her pants. Like she does whatever she wants when she wants to do it. She probably has a team. Yeah, 

dana: exactly. To help like it's assistance and, and accountants and agents and Right, but 

naiya: you're not, but you know, her assistants and accountants and agents.

naiya: There are also other 20 year. Which is the issue. Hmm. Like, it's just a bunch of irresponsible young adults running a huge [00:43:00] convention like it, it just wasn't gonna work. So Tana thinks that she was like, oh my God, like all of these people, like it's 15, 20,000 people who showed up have no space for everyone.

naiya: The kids were sitting in lines for hours. It was in the middle of the summer. Sun, burnts and boils. People were passing out, there wasn't enough food, there wasn't enough water like it was in That is dangerous. Insane. It was so dangerous. There were girls being carried out on stretchers because they've passed out.

naiya: There was, and their security team, their supposed security team, it was a four man group, 

dana: four men, 

naiya: four, 

dana: 5,000 tickets sold. Mm-hmm. . 

naiya: And also get this, the free tickets that they offered. They don't. , everyone paid the $65 to do the meet and. So no one paid. No one used a free ticket. There was not a single person there who used a free ticket.

dana: My issue is not even the $65 ticket in that they really didn't offer a free ticket. Mm-hmm. . My [00:44:00] issue is that they, the security ratio. to people. That is extremely D. Dangerous. Dangerous for the people that signed up to go to Tana Con. And it's not safe for the talent 

naiya: that's there. The security, they didn't check bags.

naiya: They didn't check tickets, they didn't check anything. You could have walked in there and said, yeah, I was a V I P person. And then we're like, okay, come on in. We'll get you your. 

dana: That goes back, they didn't check anything. That goes back to the promotion team. Mm-hmm. , because they're the ones typically handle all of that.

dana: Right. There's so many people. that this seemed to have slipped through the cracks with. Yeah. Like what about her agent? Did they not ask questions? What about like, like there's so many important people in her life that I feel like 

naiya: no one, just No, literally no one took the time or effort to really sit down and really think a bunch of these things through.

dana: Because she can't do this alone. There's no way she can do all of this on [00:45:00] her own. But 

naiya: the Michael person told her that everything was gonna be taken care of. He said that there was nothing she had to worry about, like she had like allegedly alleged you with this frigging, allegedly. I mean, I'm just saying 

dana: allegedly, I have two quarters and I don't want Michael coming to get my quarters.

dana: What does that 

naiya: mean? He's not gonna sue me. That's so true 

dana: for slandering. Or slander maybe, but not slandering, but yeah, whatever. So you have to say allegedly, allegedly, allegedly. 

naiya: Allegedly, yeah. Allegedly. , so allegedly. Mm-hmm. . Michael told Tana that everything was gonna be taken care of. And also allegedly Tana said that there were these swag bags that she wanted to give out for everyone.

naiya: She was like, they were free bags. Tana, she said that she was gonna have a swag bag worth three times the ticket. She was gonna have expensive makeup brands in there. She was gonna have her merch and a bunch of other like awesome, great things in there. Instead, they had condoms and stickers, and a [00:46:00] cheap made in China.

naiya: Like, you know, those really cheap plastic, borderline, those drawstring bags that are like really cheap, like, like the, um, not the good ones, but like the really cheap ones that are like plastic. Like you wear 'em to the amusement park, right? Yeah. Like those. And she was like, what? What are these? Like, this is not what I wanted.

naiya: She wanted to give out great quality everything. So anyways, people, so there's a police report and it says that it wasn't 15,000 people that showed up. It was the 4,000 people who she sold the tickets to. They just oversold the tickets. 

dana: Listen. I throw a mean birthday party, so swear 

naiya: you do. She can call me next time and I got you house.

naiya: Let me tell you. Tana Housewives know how to throw a 

dana: shindig like I can. I got you covered girl. Like and probably. More than likely will come in under budget. Swear, I got this. She should have paid more attention. Asked more questions. Yeah. Done a lot more follow up. Because just because you have a team that doesn't eliminate responsibility on your part.

dana: Oh yeah. You still, you [00:47:00] still are ultimately responsible because that's your name. Hundred percent. And people I think, sometimes don't realize the importance of your name. Mm-hmm. . You don't want your name to be Associa. with things like 

naiya: that. Nope. It was 

dana: so bad. I'm pretty sure this, this was a very hard lesson for her to learn.

dana: I really was. I am thankful that no one was hurt. No one was hurt. Correct. I mean, no one, 

naiya: one was really because my whole thing was seriously hurt. Fact that there was no security and people were bringing in bags and duffle bags and everything like that. No one 

dana: but. 

naiya: No one was. No one was seriously hurt.

naiya: There was one, there was like a couple of girls who passed out, passed out 

dana: and stuff like they got, but everyone made like a full, everyone made a full recovery, a sunburn, just some heat exhaustion. Heat stroke, I mean, right? All those things could be serious, but, but no one was serious. Everyone was okay. No one was seriously hurt.

dana: I am thankful for that because that would've been a 

naiya: disaster. 110%. . And then Shane Dawson, of course he did his documentary of course about it. You would like Shane Dawson. He's so funny. And all of his documentaries are so good. Okay. [00:48:00] I will say. Okay. But yeah, well, 

dana: I think I'll check him 

naiya: out. So what do you think about these?

naiya: My top two favorite scandals online. What do you think? 

dana: I'm exhausted. That was a lot that 

naiya: I truly, but they don't beef online like they do like they used to do. Mom, 

dana: I'm just exhausted. Mm-hmm. hearing about. , all of this, I, I don't really even have the words, I don't think, but exhaustion. I swear. Are you exhausted?

naiya: I think I am. You know how hype I was for this? I was like in, I was like, and then, and then, and then 

dana: I was on. It's too much baia. I do, I I know you don't want me to go back and talk about this. As exhausting as all of this is, I still cannot shake the toothbrush. Yes. I feel like it was assault and maybe she didn't recognize it, or, let's see.

dana: You [00:49:00] know, I don't, I just, I just have a hard time with it. That is really what's sticking with me out of all of this, and I hope she is okay because as a female, as a mom, that bothers me. Deeply. Yeah.

dana: I just hope that she's okay. She is recovered. She's found peace with her parents. I hope she's recovered from her traumatic childhood. I just hope she's in a better 

naiya: space now. Yeah, agreed. 

dana: You said she turned her life around or she's, is that the case? Kinda, 

naiya: I think she's just mellowed out, but I think she's mellowed out a little.

naiya: She almost got married to, well, she did get married to Jake Paul. So people, the fighter. 

dana: Okay. People, people hide their feelings a lot of times with drugs and alcohol and sex. Oh no. 

naiya: 100%. And like she's definitely had some [00:50:00] trauma. Okay. She, well, I don't know her personally. Right. Cuz I was like, because you, 

dana: you hang out with her's.

dana: Yeah. My girl. And just fine. She's, she's totally fine. Yeah. Like I said, let's. She's story because that whole story, she's a 

naiya: good person. How do you know? Well, I feel like, I know she seems Google Tana 

dana: Mojo. That doesn't mean what it's gonna say. Tana Mojo is a good person. No, Google Tana Mojo. But that's my point.

dana: I don't need to, I don't need to Google her. You 

naiya: can see the innocence in her eyes. 

dana: Nya Dahmer looked innocent. No, the heck he did not. Ted Bundy. No. The heck he did not look. Oh, he was fine. 

naiya: I'd never thought, thought that Ted Bundy was. I mean, he was a good looking guy, but I'm just saying you can't, like they, those men look like they would kill people.

naiya: That's because you know 

dana: that they were serial killers. No, but they were so prolific. You, they were so prolific because they didn't look like your stereotypical serial killer. But my point is, you can't look at someone and say, 

naiya: insert picture of Jeffrey Dahmer , please. 

dana: You can't look at someone's picture and say, [00:51:00] oh, she looks like a good person.

dana: She looks, look at Nikki. A dragon did. Would 

naiya: you ever think that she was in. I said she was pretty. Yeah, she went to jail. Girl. Do you know how many pretty girls go to jail? I know they put her in men's jail. 

dana: I mean, listen. Listen. I think there are tons of pretty girls in jail. It's not like only ugly people go to jail.

dana: Swear, I would say so. It's like, yes, I swear. Look at her and ugly say, yeah, she's probably been to jail. Because it's not just like the jail isn't filled with just ugly people. And then whose idea of ugly are we basing this off? 

naiya: You're again, you're just going way too. I'm just saying it's like, like if you're ugly, you're ugly.

naiya: There's just, but in whose eyes? Who's saying mine? I'm always right. If you're ugly, you're ugly. Like we're not ugly. I 

dana: can tell you that. Your attitude is ugly right now.

naiya: Okay. You keep sneezing. I keep yaw. All right. 

dana: Wrap it up. Wrap it up. So just be like, and mom , 

naiya: throw it [00:52:00] back to first step. Oh 

dana: my God. 

naiya: Ooh, chill. All right, you guys. I hope that you thought that that was very entertaining and I thought you got something out of reliving some of the best influencer scandals from the past.

naiya: Thank you guys so much for watching. Thank you for watching. Stay tuned for more episodes. Bye guys.