This is a special extra to episode 45 with Jan Owen, Ian Dunlop and Miriam Lyons. Here’s the rest of the powerful conversation between our panellists and the capacity audience of 300 people at the 2016 National Sustainable Living Festival in Melbourne, Australia.

Title slide pic: NASA, from the ABC website.

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Pre-roll music: Heartland Rebel, by Steven Beddall (sourced from Artlist).

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