The RegenNarration Podcast
The RegenNarration podcast features the stories of a generation that is changing the story, enabling the regeneration of life on this planet. It’s ad-free, freely available and entirely listener-supported. You'll hear from high profile and grass-roots leaders from around Australia and the world, on how they're changing the stories we live by, and the systems we create in their mold. Along with often very personal tales of how they themselves are changing, in the places they call home. With award-winning host, Anthony James.
The RegenNarration Podcast
Instigating an International Convergence in WA: With RegenWA Chair, Stuart McAlpine
It’s fitting that my first Aussie guest back home would be this bloke. Stuart McAlpine is a multiple award winning wheatbelt farmer over here in WA, who’s just been named as a finalist in the prestigious national Bob Hawke LandCare Award. I’ve long looked forward to having him on the podcast, having met him as part of the group that organised the first major RegenWA conference staged at Perth Stadium back in 2019 (it was my honour to be MC for that group of people). Six years on, we’re on the cusp of RegenWA’s second major conference (Regenerating Food Systems), back at Perth Stadium, and I couldn’t have said ‘yes, I’ll be home for this’ quick enough, when invited to be MC again.
This time around, the conference will feature two days not one, and a full week of satellite events have spontaneously gravitated to its orbit. And this time, RegenWA is running its conference having become an independent not for profit organisation, with Stuart as its inaugural Chair. He’s also been a paid subscriber of this podcast for nearly four years, so you can imagine how humbling that is.
Ideally, of course, we’d be at the farm. But given we’ve just got home from a big journey with the pod, and given the conference, satellite events and award announcement are just a couple of weeks away now, we thought we’d jump online for a quick yarn to help gear up for this potentially pivotal moment in time.
Recorded 2 September 2025.
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just imagine if we could be diverting some of that capital that's going into more traditional approaches of agriculture into winding that back towards more natural solutions, how far we could go, you know, and how quickly we could make that happen, because you know the feedback I get is real. You know, um, and the feedback that that other you know regenerative farmers get is really real.
AJ:So we know what is possible g'day anthony james here for The RegenNarration, your independent, listener-supported podcast exploring how people are regenerating the systems and stories we live by. It's fitting that my first Aussie guest back home would be this bloke. Stuart McAlpine is a multiple award-winning wheatbelt farmer over here in WA who's just been named a finalist in the prestigious National Bob Hawke Landcare Award. I've long looked forward to having him on the podcast, having met him as part of the group that organised the first major Region WA conference staged at Perth Stadium back in 2019. It was my honour to be emcee for that group of people at that conference.
AJ:Six years on, we're on the cusp of Region WA's second major conference back at Perth Stadium, and I couldn't have said yes, I'll be home for this quick enough when invited to be MC again. This time around, the conference will feature two days, not one, and a full week of satellite events have spontaneously gravitated to its orbit, and this time Region WA is running its conference, having become an independent, not-for-profit organisation with Stuart as its chair. He's also been a paid subscriber of this podcast for nearly four years, so you can imagine how humbling that is. Ideally, of course, we'd be at the farm, but given we've just got home from a big journey with the pod and given the conference, satellite events and award announcement are just a couple of weeks away now, we thought we'd jump online for a quick yarn to help gear up for this potentially pivotal moment in time. G'day, stuart, how are you, mate? Good mate, how are you?
Stuart:Oh, still trying to get my brain working again after a nice five weeks holiday. Been a long while since that holiday and I yeah, I'm still in holiday mode a little bit really.
AJ:I wondered, if that might be true.
Stuart:No, we had a great trip up through the Northern Territory. We travelled across on the Northern, the Great Central Road, which is a bit rough in places, with our off-road caravan. So there's a group of four of us that do this every couple of years and, yeah, I actually haven't had a holiday probably for about a year and a half, which I'm normally pretty good like that. But it's just the way it's worked out with staff and getting to the back end of my career, I suppose, and sort of making sure you're around, and it probably wasn't probably the best of times to be away this time because we've had really good rain, but just always great to get out on country and see the beautiful landscapes and just you know the biodiversity and just, yeah, just do some walking and just see the beautiful rock formations and different plants and animals and and yeah, but then you know, to get to um, to get to kakadu and sort of, have relayed sort of from the tour on the yellow river.
Stuart:That you know, you know brings back to reality, that you know we're facing this period of uncertainty where all the natural um signals that the indigenous people have, you know, for seasons and stuff like that, are just chaotic, like they're just completely, not even just a little bit out of sync, like they're just way out of sync, far out.
AJ:They've been saying this for a while, huh, and it doesn't get any like it continues. So in in some ways I'm not surprised to hear it, though in other ways it's still stark to hear it. It's like wow, we're really all learning anew. I mean, it still informs us, obviously, if 40,000, 60,000 years will still inform your approach and your ability to notice. But wow, yeah, different context now.
Stuart:Yeah, I mean, I guess it shows adaptability on one hand, which is what I guess natural processes are all about. It's about improving resilience for change. So that's the positive side of it. But the negative side of it is, you know, if you're looking at extreme changes or events, you know what potential does that have to sort of diminish biodiversity, and then you know what potential does that have to sort of diminish biodiversity and then you know, over time, diminish that resilience to sort of you know, extreme climatic events.
AJ:Yeah, I hear you. It's actually a good enough segue, as any Stuart, to go where I really wanted to start, which is in recognition and congratulations, mate, for being a finalist in the prestigious National Bob Hawke Landcare Award. So you're one of three finalists, the winner to be announced in a few weeks. Is there a particular angle of recognition that it's bringing to the work that you have done over decades, or is it sort of a general purview?
Stuart:Yeah, I'd like to think it was probably more of a general piece around, sort of you know natural solutions and I suppose a lot of my work in recent times has, you know, has been around the soil health and the soil microbiome on the farm.
Stuart:But you know a lot of stuff around sort of setting up community research groups, you know, with the Levy Group, and then regional repopulation initiatives sort of through the Shire of Dohwongi, which has been also been highly successful, and yeah, I guess I've always been.
Stuart:I mean, we run businesses, obviously, and businesses have to be profitable, but we also have to live in communities and those communities have to have a healthy environment and ecosystem to live in. You know, to be part of and yeah, I still think that's my greatest passion is people and community and the ecosystem, because at the end of the day, that's what gives you that purpose in life and that's the feel good bit. You know, the business is great because that gives you the I don't know financial capital, I suppose, to enjoy some of those things. But sometimes it takes it away from you as well. You, when you get caught up in the business and sort of you sort of don't get that balance right, of sort of, yeah, sort of contributing to society in a business sense, but also, you know, that's only one part of where you can make a major contribution to society part of where you can make a major contribution to society.
AJ:I always thought that business and money for that matter in general are means to the end rather than the end itself. And the end itself in this case is life in its various forms that you've outlined.
AJ:Yeah, well done, mate. I believe the prize is quite big too. So good luck on multiple fronts. On that one, I'm curious just to delve a little further into your story. We won't do it at length today, we'll do it another time, because everything you just mentioned I'd love to do a whole chunk on too. But I'm wondering was there a particular moment of transformation in your journey that you recall perhaps more than others?
Stuart:Yeah, it's a good question and I guess life is a journey and there's lots of trigger points along that journey. I mean, I've always loved nature. My parents have always had lots of wildflowers, you know. You understand the great wildflowers in Western Australia, and we're lucky enough to have some remnant vegetation on my farm that my parents protected and were very proud of. You know they tried to recreate some of that and dad was quite innovative in that space, but he was also a pioneer in sort of agriculture, high rates of fertilizer and productivity as well, you know, on the lighter soils, you know, with legumes and then nitrogen, and so you know sort of that double-edged sword and then, I guess, sort of growing up there's a picture that I use that shows and I've just been down there this morning actually and there's a couple of swans down there where you know when I was you know I'm nearly 63 and you know when I was sub 10 or you know four or five you know we had bottle brushes going around some of the lakes down in the valley system and you know you would see swans from time to time. And of course we've lost most of that country to salinity and that has been a journey of both mine and my father's to try and sort of bring it back to that and it's still a long way off, but you know we're working at it. But he got sick when I was at boarding school and got diagnosed with leukemia and um it was, that was 1977, so it was a long time ago, in the early days of chemotherapy and stuff like that. So he chose to. He had a friend that had been diagnosed with cancer and chose to sort of go down the sort of vegetables and dietary type stuff. He just had juices for a while, but I guess that sort of was a nice. He actually lived for 20 years, by the way, so he was given 18 months to live and I don't think he would have made 18 months actually like he got really sick quite quickly.
Stuart:I made that decision then to go farming. I don't know whether I would have been a farmer and I don't regret that decision. I was the oldest and I wanted to come home, so that was the first trigger point that brought me back to the land, even though I loved the land and I loved the community. You know I love just having you know back then there were so many more people around in our little communities and there was a lot more picnics, you know this time of the year and you know sort of bush type stuff, where everyone came together, um, and of course there's very few farmers left now in in what fed that sort of back then. But so there it was an ideally you know growing up fantastic. You know we were very profitable because we were making money out of the extraction of that natural fertility um, as degraded as what it is naturally in West Australia, and did it very good.
Stuart:But I suppose I came home, took over the farm and, you know, started the Levy Group up, which is, you know, still is today one of the premium grower groups, attracted a lot of research to a lot of isolated area but realised pretty soon that we were just throwing more and more money at the conventional system to continue to make it work. And we probably were and still does to this day. You know it still works. But the amount of capital that needs to be thrown at it to replace that, those natural systems as they disappear, is Iisation, which is not healthy and it still exists, we've still seen it. And trying to organise this conference, you know I would have hoped we would have had more sort of sponsorship support from mainstream agriculture and actually a lot of areas of agriculture, and so it's still there, but it's not poles apart. You know like we can actually, you know, go through a hybrid system as apart. You know like we can actually, you know, go through a hybrid system as we, you know, learn again to trust sort of nature and what it can provide for us, if we, you know, if we hero it and embrace it and work with it, rather than try and replace it with artificial inputs and stuff like that to sort of deal with the collateral damage. It's not that we can't, you know, and look, you know it's still growing strongly, but it is having a large impact on our communities because they continue to get bigger, because it's really been driven by economies of scale more than anything else, and the cost of that technology does make it pretty fragile in a variable climate.
Stuart:So, um, so that that was a trigger point because we had a focus on soil biology within the levy group and that was where I was first introduced to uh biostimulants and, in particular, biostimulant out of Canada, and we came out of a drought in 2002 and 2005 and, sorry, 2006 and 2007,. And a lot of people were putting their workers off and I thought, well, if anyone's going to go and do some off-farm work, that probably should be me, because I'll come back and we tried this biostimulant and because I obviously was the co-founder of the Levy Group and I'd done my first stint as president and I was actually chairing the R&D committee when this product came to us and I just thought it was probably a snake oil product and whatever. But anyway, we trialled it and this guy wouldn't go away and the longer, the more we chatted, the more sense he was making from the bit that I knew about soil biology at that stage and always understood that it was the third component of soil health that we just neglected or found it all a bit too hard. So I trialled some on the farm and then I was given the opportunity to go around and evaluate the product across Western Australia where other farmers had trialled it, because I had that sort of bit of background with research as well, with the Lebe Group and then ultimately around Australia, and I just continued to see just some amazing things happening in the soil and in the rhizosphere of the plants and I thought, hmm, I can't be the first person to see this, surely? So, you know, I actually did a bit more research and found this whole sort of world out there that perhaps the forgotten part of soil health, you know, around soil biology and more natural systems. And yeah, since then I've just learned to trust it more and more.
Stuart:And, and you know, I think farmers are some of the greatest observational scientists that we have. Like, we're out there, you know, and, um, you know, I think farmers are some of the greatest observational scientists that we have. Like, we're out there, you know, and if you pay attention and observe what's happening in your landscape, you know you can see a lot of things. And yeah, and I guess, if you look at the joy over the years, you know I've been, because I've been a pioneer sort of in this soil biology space, you know, for you know 20 odd years or more, you know I've had the opportunity to be part of sort of in this soil biology space. You know, for you know 20-odd years or more, you know I've had the opportunity to be part of sort of the early soil biology initiatives with GRDC and I go to the University of Sydney every year to sort of present on soil biology to their soil biology masterclass and I get the opportunity to see some of this science now coming through. That backs up some of the observations that I've been making for a long time.
Stuart:I don't know how many times I listen to your podcast and hear you know other farmers or scientists from around the world sort of talk about things and go, yeah, that's what I formed in my head as well. You know that's how I believe it to be, so it's always good to get out. For me and, you know, for the Haggerty's a lot of us like. It's great to come together with people around the globe at times, that that you can talk to honestly at a different level, because it takes a lot of background knowledge to get to where I am at the moment and it's not something that you can sort of just explain to people you know in period of time?
AJ:So, with the conference, stuart, why now and why did you and the broader Region WA team decide to go doubly as big as last time, six years ago, and connect with so many more people that we've seen a whole week of other events sort of spin out of it? What was behind it and how did it sort of germinate? Yeah, I guess.
Stuart:RegenWA as an organisation has been very successful in supporting, you know, a lot of membership from not only farmers but from society as well, and we felt that the time was right to sort of, you know, go back to Optus, where it began in the early days, and really try and sort of build a conference that sort of linked all those people together, you know, with soil, health, food security and human wellbeing and the interconnectedness of that, I suppose.
Stuart:But, you know, try and do it in a in a welcoming way, because I think one of the things that we know is that we need to build food systems that move into this direction.
Stuart:Because of that, you know, I have a very strong belief that the commodity, commoditized food that we're producing is just not providing us with the, with the nourishment that we need, and I think a lot of that science is is evolving and coming together quite nicely.
Stuart:But you know also the declining sort of health of our ecosystems and of our human well-being, not not just um physically and as a as a consequence of the food that we eat, but also as a as a response to the environments that we're living in and perhaps even you know, the, the response to, you know, being farmers globally. We, you know, we know that mental health is is a huge issue in agriculture globally as well, because of some of the pressures that farmers have to deal with. So we really wanted to try and bring together a conference that was hopefully could encourage more mainstream people to come together because we really need to scale this up. Come together because we really need to scale this up. You know, at the end of the day, if there's a handful of people doing this globally, then it's not really enough to have the impact sort of across all those sectors that we desire. So I guess that was the real purpose is yeah, we're sort of pretty firm on that really.
AJ:So I wonder, Stuart, out of all that then, as the rubbers hit the road and we're two weeks out, what's exciting you most about it?
Stuart:Yeah, look, I think we have managed to pull together some people from the human health aspect, some stuff around food quality, some of the framework around what is regenerative agriculture and some of the framework you know around what is regenerative agriculture and some of the dialogue around that.
Stuart:And then, you know, I'm pretty excited, you know, some of the science. We've got biomakers coming to around sort of you know, how we bring some of the new tech stuff into regenerative agriculture and looking at sort of the DNA footprint and sort of how practices that we might or products that we might use may impact that. So that I think one of the ways we have to bring more of mainstream agriculture is, you know, is to showcase you know, to have the real evidence and the cutting edge science to to bring the rest of them along. I think, yeah, and I'm quite excited that there are some tools and some knowledge. I think that if we can apply that you know more, we can actually bring more people to sort of look at, you know, bringing more natural systems and natural solutions back into the way that we farm.
AJ:I see a focus, too on really extending out into the people that aren't the growers as well. Huh, Trying to help, to bring us all together on this stuff, and that looks particularly exciting to me. I mean, I think of some of the people who were even on the conference bill that are looking to do that in various ways themselves just be part of that connective infrastructure, as you've done so much over the years too. Is that something that's standing out to you as well?
Stuart:Oh, absolutely. I was fortunate enough to go to COP28 a couple of years ago in Dubai and it is Like we, as farmers, can't do this alone. You know we need to bring the finance sector along. We need to bring the finance sector along, we need to bring government policy along. We need to bring the consumer along and show them that you know that this food is worth chasing. You know, just to get that little bit extra done. You know you go out on country a lot to do your interviews and I think one of the problems that I see is there's a lot of good intention out there, but I think until you get out onto country and see the good and the bad, you know the bad, I guess, shows us that we need to do better. But by getting out there, I think there's a truer understanding of what's required. So, but we can't do this alone. But we can't do this alone. We need to do this all together, because farmers can't make these changes without the finance sector being on board. We can't do it without supportive policies from government.
Stuart:Move towards a food system that actually does work, you know, better with the environment and hopefully produce and demonstrate the value of food that is produced sort of with the microbiome.
Stuart:I think you know, when you look at a lot of the advances in modern-day agriculture, you know just about every one of those solutions now will have a sentence about sort of working with the human microbiome. And you know the human microbiome is a result of, of the microbiome that we grow our food in and what we live in. So the transference of that microbiome in in food quality nutrition to to us, directly or through animals, is is really really important. So a lot of work to be done. But, um, we just need to be able to introduce more farmers globally to this. And, of course, we know we see a lot of the big food producers of the world um, you know, moving more towards sort of demands for more regenerative food as well. Now, you know we've got to make sure that that's genuine and not greenwashing. But so what we really wanted to do was try and get a really inclusive conference together that was welcoming of all people to come along and non-threatening really.
AJ:I so hear you about getting out on country for that appreciation and in all manner of respects, and I see the Governor got out to the Haggerty's Place, given that they're our West Australians of the Year this year and the Governor will introduce this conference too. So I wonder, stuart, if you were to venture into and perhaps you have a vision for what might really come out of the conference and I guess, with all the rest that's going to happen around it in a couple of weeks, if we come out the other side, what can you imagine?
Stuart:yeah, well, I would like to see a way where all facets of of of food you know, the food system, or the supply chain for one of the bed right the way through the consumer truly do work together in a in a way that is truly collaborative and collective, you know, to to to get the outcomes, because it's so important that we, we build trust.
Stuart:I think one of the One of the negative side effects to capitalism is this you know, everyone's in it for their own, you know, and everyone's trying to eke out, you know, their part of the economy, and the argument has been well, that keeps Atlanta mean and, you know, test it out, but it hasn't been particularly conducive to trust, particularly conducive to trust. And I think, you know, if you look at the food system, with some strong, you know, domination of the coals and woolies, a lot of that value in the supply chain has been transferred over time, you know, within power to that, yeah, and I mean, look, consumers, you could argue, have perhaps ended up with food prices that are more affordable, but are they more nutritious and are they more better for it? And has it provided us with food that is the right food that we should be eating?
AJ:Yes, and then are we paying the price in other ways, with health and environment and emergencies.
Stuart:Yeah. So I would like to think that out of it we can actually get a more holistic approach to food production and the way we do it, which is, you know, harking back to regenerative systems. Like there's so much in what we do that is common. Like farmers do a lot of regenerative stuff, like I don't know of farmers that don't want to do the right thing by the environment. They just don't know how to do it. And you know, quite often they can't do that because they're on this treadmill-type system as well, which makes it really hard to change.
Stuart:But I do believe that we understand the system a lot better now and can explain it a lot better, and we could design demonstration systems or we could communicate that much, much better than what we have done in the past. And inevitably we're going to transition. You know it's always a transition from what you're doing to a new point over time. It's not, you know, shut the gate and we're just doing it completely the other way. That doesn't really work often that well either, unless you've got some, you know, significant capital to do that that's.
AJ:I think that's really well said the way you articulated it then, and I and the treadmill metaphor, and I think that's true of, again, broader sectors of society, in that I find, even in the podcast, that whether I'm talking to a farmer or I'm talking to an Indigenous person, or talking to a business person or whatever, there is a well, there's a relationality, there's a relevance in each of what we're trying to do, in each of our areas and each of our places, because it's that thing. It's how do you get off that treadmill when everything's being geared to that one track with such certainty and so much backing and so many years and so much investment of different kinds, all that sort of stuff? And how do we help each other off that onto different tracks? And maybe it's not even a treadmill next time. No, maybe it's akin to walking through the beautiful country that you described at the start. So that inspires me, I think, and it's a universalising thing. In that sense too, I reckon we are all in that.
Stuart:But that's perfect, aj, and really actually thanks for bringing me back on track because I look at what I've achieved and other regener feedback that I've had from you know some of my produce am I doing it anywhere near its capability? Absolutely not. You know, absolutely not. Like I think we've just scratched the surface of what is potential. But for a pretty small business, you know, trying to sort of go through that decision making and and do my own r&d and do testing and and take it further. Like just imagine if we could be diverting some of that capital that's going into more traditional approaches of agriculture into winding that back towards more natural solutions. How far we could go, you know, and how quickly we could make that happen. Because you know the feedback I get is real, you know, and the feedback that other you know regenerative farmers get is really real. So we know what is possible.
Stuart:But why would we as society be putting all our eggs in one basket? Because, let's be frankly honest, we still are Like it's big tokenistic the amount of money that's being invested from our main research bodies. I mean, there's always talk about it around the edges, but I think they really struggle with the whole, you know, like it's the whole. That's important, and I've been using this analogy a bit lately, and it's okay. But look at your favourite football side, right? We love sport in Australia, right?
AJ:I'm partial to these analogies. Yes.
Stuart:Yep, and we love the AFL. But, right, I'm partial to these analogies. Yes, yep, and we, we love the afl, and but any, look, it goes for any sporting group. And if you think about agriculture as as a footy side, you know, we know that if we go out and just buy the marquee players, we're not, we're not going to come home with the premiership cup. So we know that the rest of the team's important, right, but it's the ground that they play on, it's it's the doctors, it's the nutrition, it's it's the strappers.
Stuart:If we're strapping, I'm wrong, you know. And then they've got to, they've got to sell their team to society to make them want to support them. Now all of those go into successful side. Now that's dumbing it down a lot from the hole. That you and I understand, but it's the same.
Stuart:And and I get frustrated, when we've been very, very good in agriculture, finding the, the marquee players, if, if you want to call it that, you know the n's, the p's, the k's, you know, and we've, we've, we've made money out of leveraging them. You know, with some of that background, fertility and natural capital that's been left over um from for forever, or from some of our pasture situations. But you know something that might only be 0.001 of the equation. If you disregard that, it becomes a problem ultimately, like in the footy side if you've got the strapper that's strapping the legs wrong or not making the right diagnosis, your players are going to start getting injured right.
Stuart:From what I understand, nothing ultimately is more important than anything else. It may seem to play a bigger role, but unless we hero the, the whole of the system, then eventually it fails or is not as good as. And why is that so? And it doesn't matter. If I'm doing what is the best thing today, nature will always want me to build more resilience into that, so it will always be testing what we do. Um, you know, like the changes in weather patterns and the signals that our First Nations people use for seasons and stuff like that and how. It's just completely out of whack.
AJ:That was a very rousing football coach-like heading into the game. Clarion call there. So you sort of saw the analogy right through to the line. So, mate, just to close, then, of course, what music would we go out with?
Stuart:God you're going to ask me that question. You know I love so much music. I love Pink Floyd, I love Neil Young, love the old stuff. Yeah, I actually it was interesting you were talking to someone the other day. But I actually used to play in a band and still do. From time to time. I play guitar and I do enjoy writing music.
AJ:Actually. Have you got something you can send me?
Stuart:Yeah, I'll have to have a look. I'll potentially have. It's not great. I actually did. Geez, it was 10 years ago now. My daughter actually was starting to go right as a singer-songwriter before COVID hit and she did a school exchange back in 2015 and we did both record a few songs at the Rye in Nashville, actually just straight acoustic. I only did one take and it's not perfect, but I know I've got that somewhere. It's called Country Cousins. It's a song that I wrote a long time ago, actually, when my first child was born, and, um, it talks a bit about you can see our stock starve, you can see our crops die, but you can't see the hardship written in our eyes, um, but yeah, it just talks a bit about um, yeah, it might not be the right song. I'd like something a lot more positive. Lancers, why do you always write depressing songs and I go? Isn't that what most people do? Yeah, that's right.
AJ:That's brilliant. Thanks a lot, stuart. Finally got you on. It's been an absolute pleasure and honour, really. I hope you clean up the award, of course, that we talked about and, yeah, we'll see you on deck in a couple of weeks, huh.
AJ:Nah, fantastic mate, That'd be great Cheers you on deck in a couple of weeks. Huh Nah, fantastic, mate, That'd be great Cheers. That was award-winning pharma RegenWA chair and podcast subscriber, Stuart McAlpine, With great thanks to Stuart and the rest of you generous paid subscribers for making it possible. See the company you're in. Special thanks this week to Jeff Pow, Michelle McManus and Cargill for your four years of support now. Speaking of the company you're all in just incredible. We'd love you to join us if you can get some exclusive stuff like discounts to the RegenWA conference and subsequent Grounded Festival, and help keep the show going by heading to the website or the show notes and following the prompts. I hope to see you at some of those big events or the smaller ones around them. Stuart did send me the music he was talking about. You're hearing it now.
Stuart:There was a time when you had a Country cousin.
AJ:My name's Anthony James. Thanks for listening.
Stuart:There was a time when I thought you Understand, but you can't understand our ways or what it's like. You can see the crops die. You can see the stock stove, but you can't see the hardship written in our eyes Dying. Spirit of the land. I have a child. I hope you love the land. I know that some of you won't understand. You can't understand our ways or what it's like. You can see the crops die, see the stock stuff, but you can't see the hardships written in our eyes, written in our eyes Dying. Spirit of the land. I have a dream. I hope you love the land. I have a dream that one day you'll understand, just like the country cousins of years gone by. You can see the crops die. You see the stock stove, but now you see the hardships Written in our eyes. But now you see the hardships Written in our eyes.
