[00:00:00] Danika: Whole life just gets ripped apart by this massive death fire. But what that does is it creates a lot of space that now you have this fresh ground to start harvesting new things and planting new seeds.
[00:00:13] Jill: Welcome back to Seeing Death. Clearly. I'm your host, Jill McClennan, a death doula and end-of-life coach.
In this episode, I talk with Danika Rose, and our conversation gets into some really touchy subjects. We do talk a little bit about suicide and abortion, so this is partially a trigger warning, but also a reminder that these are really deep topics that we share some of our thoughts and opinions. But what is shared is by no means a complete explanation of what either of us believes around these topics.
Over time, you'll hear more about my beliefs. I've already had a few conversations with people about suicide, but one thing about me is that I'm always learning and changing. My beliefs around these topics have changed and will continue to change over time. I would love for you to send me a message and let me know what you think about this episode, what your beliefs are around the topics we discuss, and if we gave you some new ways of thinking about things.
Thank you so much for joining us. Welcome to the episode. Thank you so much for coming on.
[00:01:09] Danika: Thank you for having me. It's my pleasure.
[00:01:11] Jill: Let's start off. Can you tell me a little bit about your background, where you're from, how old you are, maybe even some of your religious beliefs growing?
[00:01:21] Danika: Yeah, that sounds cool.
I'm actually raised in Australia. That's where I was born and raised. So when I was about 17, I did move out of home and I went to uni and I got my jobs and then got the man, got the kids, went off and did like the adult thing. So right now I'm 30, but I've lived a lot. I really, really grew up pretty early based on.
A lot of information that I received from family members and from adults and life in general about life when I was very, very young, and death was a huge theme. It was a massive, massive part of my life. I think to date, I've probably attended around 23 funerals, something like that, and the first one I went to, I was as young as six years old, so it's actually been a massive part of how I.
Lived my life with death around me, and I'm fairly neutral to the topic. It's not something that I fear, it's not something that I'm worried about or that I put any conscious energy into it really. So including sitting down and. Writing out a will and writing a eulogy or picking someone that's gonna do something, or thinking about what's gonna happen to my body when my soul leaves this earth plane. It's just not something that I really focus on.
[00:02:48] Jill: Do you think that you don't focus on it out of fear, or is it really just more that you're kind of like, I don't know, it's all fine. I'm not gonna worry about it right now?
[00:02:57] Danika: Yeah, definitely just not worried. Just feeling like it's a neutral kind of a topic.
And I think if I was afraid of it or afraid of other people passing around me, it would, that feels foreign to me. It's common that people think, if such and such left my life, then that would be a disaster or it would be devastating. And while I still believe that that's true, it can also coexist with peace.
It can also coexist with you still reaching your goals. Perhaps getting some justice. It might involve where you are putting yourself out there into the world in philanthropic ways because somebody that's passed away meant something to you and then you're able to create some kind of charity or foundation.
When I think about death, I always think about the beauty that's on the other side of death and what that meant to that person that was passing away. If they left and that was their time, what are the positive ramifications that that could have on the planet, even in heinous situations, even in.
Situations where there's a lot of deaths at at the same time, and it affects a collective or a country or the world in itself. Like I have a very, very, very huge view on death. Like it's so expansive to me. It's not something that I think restricts
[00:04:31] Jill: us. Most people are really honestly not that comfortable with death, even if they've experienced in their past, which it sounds like you've experienced more than I would say the average person maybe has. Yeah. Yeah. But I think for most people, the biggest fears that they have about death is the afterwards that they don't know what's gonna happen after they die or after their loved one dies and they think that it's the end and that it's gonna be sad because they're never gonna see that person again.
Is there like something because of the afterlife beliefs that make you so comfortable?
[00:05:10] Danika: I wonder if there's even human words that I can put to it. I'm in my soul trust and in my faith within my soul that I know energetically, no matter what happens, I will be fine. And I definitely believe that it was the way that I was programmed at a young age, and I'm talking about psychological programming from the age of zero to seven, that's when our brain is absorbing the most amount of information that is, that we're able to hold with that program.
And those filters or schemers, we are gonna be viewing life through that lens for the rest of our life up until. Unless we are able to manipulate or reprogram, sometimes we need to unlearn things to learn new things. We have to create space there. In our subconscious programming. It might involve other types of healing, like in a child, mother wound, death wound.
This is all part of it, so, I think because I have done so much work on all of those layers of my soul, I've come to such acceptance that I'm firm in who I am and where that links to my childhood and how I was parented was that a lot of my, on a soul level, of course, there were other things that have happened over my lifetime up until this point.
I became jaded, or I was disempowered and I had to also work through other things like, uh, separation and domestic violence and parenting, and b you know, becoming a mother. Like all of those things are what has shaped me to be how I am now, but only in relation to the way that I was as a child, because in that context we had faith in God.
That was a massive part of, of how I was raised because we went to church on Sundays up until I was maybe nine years old. We had, my mom was actually a singer at the church, and for me, singing in my voice is a massive part of my life. I'm a singer songwriter. I do guided meditations. I'm an energy healer, so all of that was already part of my life as a very young girl.
We'd be waving the banners at the church and. And I say it now, very lightheartedly. And in hindsight, I didn't realize that that was an actual thing. And people would come up to me and say, wow, like I really felt you. How did you do that? And I'd be like, I dunno, because I'm just six years old, seven years old, I actually don't know.
And they'd be like, oh, when everyone else is singing, it doesn't feel like that because we would sing in close proximity to the, the actual body, so then they can like feel the energy. I didn't know anything about. And although my mom obviously did the best with what she had, she didn't really know at that point.
Skipping ahead 20 odd years. Now she knows, and we have lots of conversations and I've developed mediumship over the years so I can actually speak to people that are, that have passed on. That's another huge part of my life because I get paid to that professionally. So that's why I kind of chuckle and I think, well, if this started in church where we focused on God and.
My father, my entire childhood demonized, psychics, demonized, crossing over and speaking to dead people. Like, whoa, that's, that's not good. Like, we don't do any of that. That's of the devil. They're the ones that are sending you messages like you've obviously possessed. These are the type of things that I had to also break through to be my true.
Those, again, subconscious programming, other people telling me who I actually am when I had my own truth as we all do. So when death comes into it, it, it kind of ties back into how I have such a faith in the knowing of myself that everything else that's exterior, it's not that it is irrelevant, but it just is.
And that's okay with me. I just have a very deep seated respect for the way that we have been brought to the planet. Do I have beliefs around how that came? I would say very honestly, I'm still confused. No, I don't have the answers. And in fact, they change very frequently. Every couple of months I might go through another evolution and I get downloads and I'm speaking to someone from Lume and they're a freaking alien.
And then I've gotta accept that I talk to aliens, and then that totally contradicts everything that I learned growing up. So where do we go with that? Well, we don't need to know. You just have to go. That's it. Like that? Yeah. You just have to go. Wherever your soul is, is telling you that is what it is. And if we resist it and if we continue to, to learn new ways in our adult life of just playing out that program and just go back to that toxic relationship and just stay in that area where you hate yourself and just live in that fear that one day everything that you have is gonna disappear.
What we can live like that, we can actually just be in that vibration. And for some people that's very comfortable and that's okay. And then there's other groups of people such as myself and the people that are around me collectively, where we just don't settle for that because we don't like it because it doesn't feel good to us.
It is actually more uncomfortable to stay in that frequency and that lifestyle than it is to decide to change things. And if we talk about death again, I'd always love to bring it back to exactly what the topic of your podcast is, because I talk way too much. Yeah. So I'll bring it back in and say, if we're actually in a resistance, that death is upon us and we're constantly focusing on it.
In my beliefs about manifesting in the law of attraction, death supersedes all of that, in my opinion and my experience anyway, because you could manifest health until the cows come. And then one day you're no longer on the planet or your mother's sister, uncle, brother, daughter, whatever, that that's a reality that we live here.
And you could manifest living the longest life and always visualizing and sitting in that moment that you're gonna be right next to your husband at the end of your life. And you close your eyes and then you're like, oh, we're so old. It hasn't happened yet. Lovely. Bloody fantasy. Very lovely. Who doesn't want that?
When you're truly in love with someone who doesn't want to imagine that you're gonna spend like those end days and the last breath, and you know, all that romantic stuff, I, I've always visualized that, but I'm not gonna be able to know whether that's even a possibility in this life or not. But I'm okay with it because as long as I know that there's a possibility that it could be there, then I have faith that whatever's happening is meant to happen.
And on the flip side, if we were wanting to say, Hmm, if we always think about death and we always plan for death and we've got death around us all the time, it's gonna bring death closer. But is it? Is it true? How do we know that? Just because our energy is flowing into death and it's flowing towards death, and we're enjoying the pleasure of life towards our.
How do we know that we are bringing death closer by focusing on it or talking about it or telling someone about the horrible dream that we had. I don't believe that that power of our mind and our manifesting precedes the power of death. It just D doesn't make sense to me that we are going to be able to determine when that.
Unless, of course, we're doing things that are really self-harming behaviors and there might be addictive patterns, or someone's actually doing something physically to harm themselves so that death is upon them because of course, that's another reality that we face. There are people that just simply don't wanna be here.
And there are countries in the world that support that. Switzerland, for example, euthanasia that is legal. They are allowed to simply say at any. In this life, of course, after a certain age, but I don't wanna be here anymore. And there's government assistance for that process for that to happen. So worldwide there's many, many, and I'm sure billions of people, I could almost put money on it that don't even know that that's a possibility.
They don't know that if they just migrated to Switzer and then they could just leave the earth.
[00:14:06] Jill: Yeah. I actually know somebody that had a client that went to Switzer. From the United States because they needed to end their life. They were young in their twenties, but they had a disease since they were younger that it just progressively was destroying their body, their brain would've been fine.
But eventually their body would've been at a point where, you know, mid thirties, they would've not been able to move, they wouldn't been able to speak, they wouldn't be able to do anything on their own. And so they said, you know what? I'm not gonna do this. This is not how I want to spend the rest of my life.
And so once they got to that point, They had to go to Switzerland to do it. In the United States, it is legal to have medical aid and dying, but you have to have a terminal diagnosis and they don't consider degenerative diseases. Terminal diagnosises diagnoses, I guess is how you'd say it. Assist.
[00:15:05] Danika: Yeah. That makes so much sense though. Like it makes so much sense to me that people are empowered enough to make that decision. But then there's all, there's a lot of politics that are involved in this topic of death. So there's a lot of government bodies, there's a lot of agenda, there's a lot of underlying dark workers that are going forward into Parliament and into politics and making sure that people are either empowered or disempowered based on a narrative that needs to play out.
[00:15:38] Jill: And, and there's just beliefs too play into this idea of ending your own life. And so depending on the religion of the country you live in, which, you know, at least in the United States, it's very, you know, Christian, white, puritanical based belief systems, and that goes against what a lot of people are raised to believe, that we should have the power to end our own life when we feel that it's time to end our life. Yeah.
[00:16:12] Danika: Yeah, it's a bit, it is. It does get too a bit of a spicy topic, I think, because then the other thing that comes to my mind is the choice to end someone else's life when we're talking about abortion.
And of course that is like a massively controversial topic, and I don't think that anyone human on the planet has the same opinion about it. I just don't, I don't, I have never met any two people that think exactly the same thing, because there's so many facets to all of it. Again, politics, religion, personal beliefs, our filters, the way that we were raised, how we think about our body, how we think about babies, how we think about science.
It is such a varied topic and there's not really that much difference between talking about abortion and talking about an adult making a choice. Although one, in my opinion is that an adult making that choice is a lot more conscious of the ramifications and what that means for a family unit and such.
Whereas a fetus a baby, they, they don't have ears. They don't, they're not ready to hear anything yet. From a soul level and an energetic level, I still very much believe that they are aware of what does go on. And it's, again, it's a political topic because we've have heard of all of the states here. I think there's five different laws.
There's five different laws that cover each different state. So when you're talking about that topic, it depends which state you live in. Cuz the country is obviously super massive. In comparison to a lot of other countries around the world. So we've got one state that allows you to just decide, and you get to call it very similar to Canada and New Zealand, and you can just say at any point up until 40 weeks that you're done, or it's not the gender that I want, and then that's it and they will make it happen.
As long as you have the signatures from two doctors, even if they actually work at the clinic that's doing the procedure. That's a whole other. And then we have other states where unless something really horrific has happened and that's all been reported and convicted, you're not allowed to do anything whether you wanted to or not.
So you've got something that's very restricted and then you've got something where it's kind of a free for all and you are in full power and control of that decision. And then there's not really much middle ground. It's very much yes or no, where I think that there needs to be a bit of, a bit of a gray area.
And that's not really logistically possible when there's so many countries and religion and factors involved. It's not like we are gonna just be able to create one rule for the entire world here when it comes to death, even in adulthood. It's just that just doesn't work. So if people need that, then there are places that we can go for it.
But whether it's right or wrong, There's just too many powers that be there are one, one person can change the world because even us having this conversation right now, we're changing the view. We're changing the way that people see death and life, and it is important for everybody to share their truth.
It still doesn't change things at a political level majority of the time, unless majority of the people are going to be one way or another.
[00:19:34] Jill: Yeah, and there's just too many humans out there for it to make, I don't know, even the majority happy it feels like, because I think you're right. We oftentimes kind of think that, well, I'm either pro-life or I'm pro-choice.
When really, even if you talk to people that are pro-life or you talk to people that are pro-choice, if you've really had a conversation with the people, there's just so much nuance to. That nothing is ever going to be perfect for anybody, and it's the same
[00:20:12] Danika: I've always heard, like someone will say, but in this instance, such and such, and da, da, da. Or, you've approached them with the question, and they've never, ever even thought about that question before. In relation to the topic of death or abortions or anything that relates to this topic that we're speaking into, they may have never even considered how it affects someone else or anything.
This is just, so with those two variables, like you're saying, you literally speak to one person that believes that they are a certain label, that they are a thing, and that this is their belief. And then you throw in five different perspectives that they've never heard before, or they have so much cognitive dissonance that it doesn't actually even fit into their brain because they're so hardwired to believe that that's the only.
And there's, as you said, there's just so many human beings. We are not gonna be able to ever bring that in for one unified decision or more.
[00:21:14] Jill: And we need the labels to a certain extent just to make sense of life and other humans and just things in general. But also the labels really do get in the way because we get so attached to the labels.
And anything that challenges that label, we want to attack it and fight it off and push it away because we feel like it's an attack on us. Where I have been trying even more so as I've gotten older, yes, there are certain labels that I need to fall under, right? Certain, I guess almost like umbrellas of these labels in order just to make sense of myself and have other people make sense of.
But I'm not super attached to them, and I have changed my viewpoint about a lot of different things since I was a child, even now. And when I was younger, I was raised Catholic and I was what I would've considered pro-life because partially that's what I was told to believe. And so that's what I just believe.
And then I was actually at an abortion protest, and there was an older woman there that was pro-choice, and she just said to me, she didn't say that I was right or wrong, she just said that maybe I was a little too young to know what I really believed, that maybe as I got older I might change my mind because I might be presented with more information.
Yeah, and it really stuck with me because if nothing else, it made me kind of question well. Why do I believe what I believe? Is it just because that's what my CCD teacher told me I'm supposed to believe? Or is it because I actually believe that to be true? And as I've aged and as I've had different experiences and met different people.
I would say I'm definitely on the pro-choice side now, even though I would never have an abortion myself, because to me, it's not something that I would have been able to, not necessarily live with, but I think because I'm similar to you where there's just like an energetic thing that I feel like it, it just was not for me. So I did everything I could to make sure I never had to make that choice. I was very good about using birth control. Yeah. After we had our second child, my tubes are tied.
There's, you know, having any more pregnancies because I knew I didn't wanna have another baby. And especially now at 44, if I was to get. It could really be at risk to my health. And so I didn't wanna ever have to make that choice. So I made sure, but I also have that privilege to have had access to quality, you know, sexual education and access to, um, you know, the pill and all these other things.
And to be able to get this surgery done. So it's really difficult because I do find myself being in this like gray area where honestly I would just love to, if everybody could have access to that so that there would not be a need for abortions. That's my goal. But is that realistic right now? No. And so I feel like we need to be able to have that choice, but I also feel the same way about medical aid and dying.
It's more controversial to have somebody be able to access it just because they want to end their life because they are suffering severe depression. Maybe they've lived through extreme trauma and they just can't function anymore, and I would like to think that there was better ways to help them, but right now there's not.
And so for some people, they will potentially just end their life anyway in a way that's very traumatic for their friends and their family. Where maybe having the option to go to a doctor and say, Hey, I really can't do this anymore. Can I have a prescription for some medication that I can just take? Can I take it here so that my wife or my children don't find me, it might be a better option. I don't know. I don't have the answers.
[00:25:33] Danika: Yeah. Cause then the thing that comes into my mind is like, is is someone that is in that, that mental state where they're actually not coping? Are they the ones that are cognitive enough to make that decision when they're in an altered mental state and are obvious imbalances with the way that they see the world and how they're viewing themselves?
Especially, especially talking about self talk and the thoughts that are in their head and even taking trauma into account, have they actually actively gone out and sought and implemented the assistance that is available? Because there are even free hotlines, there are services that you can use that you don't have to pay for.
So I don't have a hard line approach of, oh, you didn't try hard enough. But there is that niggling part in me because I am such a determined and motivated person, and at multiple times in my life I have been suicidal, which is now looking back on it, I can say, well, that's a bit silly, or I can judge myself if I want.
I don't judge myself in a very harsh way. I have so much compassion for where I was at at that point in my life. But there were beliefs in my mind. About my situation because my nervous system was dysregulated. I was drinking too much alcohol. My lifestyle did not match the way that my soul was wanting me to consciously live on the planet.
And if I look back at when I was a teenager, I was trying to blame my parents for like, you know, making a drama. Not being allowed to see those friends, or you can't do this or you can't do that. So then it was coming down to the, probably the way that they had communicated it in a very oppress, aggressive way.
So that then pertains to their parenting style, which in hindsight I can see how. I was suicidal because of the way that my parents had parented me, not because of what they were saying or what restrictions were being IPO imposed on me. That was, it wasn't about any of that. So then, because I didn't have that maturity level or emotionally mature at all, at obviously, yes 15, 16 years old.
So while the services were available, I wasn't utilizing. I didn't have enough of the right support and the right parenting and the right, and, and it is again, it's such a privileged life that I've lived. I had food on my table, albeit not much or restrictive or you know, we just, some nights it was less than others.
I still had clothes on my back. Yes. I had to get a job at 13 and help the family to pay for what was needed that was necessary for us because there was a, it was a big, big family. I grew up with four sisters. There were five daughters, plus mom and dad and a couple of pets here and there thrown in, in, in the mix, but, Again, it, it's just such a weird view that I have now to look back on it at the, and there were mostly probably two very serious points in my life.
One, when I was a teenager and one before I had this massive spiritual awakening. So now looking back on it, I would say, That breakdown was actually my breakthrough, but I have that perspective. But imagine if I had have just decided to end my life while I was in an altered mental state and my lifestyle wasn't conducive to what was necessary for me to be happy, and I didn't know that, then what?
So is that really the moment in time where we need to be making decisions about life or death for ourselves and for our children that we are leaving behind, or the family that are gonna have to literally clean up the mess?
[00:29:26] Jill:Yeah. That's all really great points, and this is why I love these conversations because there's no easy answer to any of it because then, yeah, maybe a 50 year old, but what about a 16 year?
[00:29:39] Yeah, because there's a lot of us that as teenagers, we didn't feel good in the situation that we were in. In the environment that we were in. Yes. And then as we've gotten older, we've been able to make those changes. And even for me, pre shutdown of 2020 was actually leading me to an early death. It was trying to work within society and the constant rushing and the running from one job to another job and dropping kids off and. Just this, I got so caught up in and I was even pretty, you know, spiritual and pretty aware and I still got caught up in that
[00:30:20] Danika: and privilege. Like we even have children that we are discussing here right now.
Like let's just put a massive weight into that. There are people that will be listening that don't even have children because that wasn't a possibility. Mm-hmm. So they've also had to deal with death in a different. They've had to birth a death at times, and that can be quite traumatic to go through those experiences.
And then to hear women say, I was so burnt out and suicidal. Oh, and then they're going, oh yeah, but she had kids. So we are not taking away from that. I just, I know that Jill and I have a similar vibration in that sense. I believe everyone is on their life path, and I'm very blessed that I have my four children that I've never had to deal with miscarriage.
Has that surrounded me? Yes. In my sisters, yes. With my friends of course. And many people that I don't know that well, it, it is still a massive part of a talk because one in three women have a miscarriage in Australia. That is our current statistics. One in three.
[00:31:18] Jill: Yeah. And I don't know exactly what it is in the United States, but I know a lot of women that have had miscarriages.
I was actually surprised when I started getting to the age of, you know, me and my friends having children, that there was still people that were carrying the full term and having stillborn babies where I was like, I didn't think that happened anymore in the United States. But it still happened more than I realized.
[00:31:46] Danika: Actually in the US the maternal death rate for the mothers is one of the highest in the world for women that pass away during child. And I'm not saying that to scare anybody if you are listening, I am saying that for educational purposes because there is a lot of information out there around conscious birth, around natural birth, around the medical system.
In particular in India, the United States and Australia. We have the highest rates of cesarean section that is not for safety in my experience, opinion, and my education. And I would strongly encourage anyone that is hearing this. Alarm bells are going off or they're thinking, hang on a second. I, I don't know anything about, go and do your research.
So many different topics that all touch each other. So there's a lot, there's so many things, as I said, that I would, I love to speak into because death is such an important part of life. And the way that I had described it to one of the women that I'm dealing with in my, my world at the moment, and what happened was her, her pet had passed away now.
She'd been with this dog for about nine years. So to go from having someone in your ORIC field for that amount of time and someone beside you under your legs at your feet waking up, and that's the first thing you do is go and feed your dog and then all of a sudden nothing. And the loss and the grief and everything that's being experienced, but because it's an animal, people just pass it off as.
Oh yeah, like it, it died like, let's move on now. But it's an actual child. It's, it's like you've raised it. That's something that came to you from a puppy and you've seen it through every single phase of its life, and then all of a sudden it's just not there anymore. You're still a mother. It's just in a different way because that soul never spoke to anyone else.
It just spoke to you. So in fact, your connection with that is a lot more sacred than a child at times for some people. And I, I do find it interesting the way that we view humans versus animals. And then we could talk about veganism and it's like, I mean, what can we not talk about when it's death again, death is such an important part of life.
[00:34:42] Jill: We can't escape it. It's really, if you're born, you're going to die and death is present every day, even if we try to pretend that it's not, it's there every. But we want to ignore the topic of death because it is uncomfortable, because we don't talk about it. And that's why we're here today. We're talking about it so that we can normalize having these conversations. And we definitely talked about all kinds of stuff.
[00:35:10] Danika: Yeah. This has been so amazing. I don't know how your show notes are gonna go for this one, Jill.
[00:35:15] Jill: I will figure it out, but I will definitely put in a couple trigger warnings for people too.
[00:35:20] Danika: I appreciate that. Yeah. We both felt that energy as well as, as we were both speaking into some really like massive topics.
I think it's good. Yeah. You've gotta get deep in this because an analogy that I love to use about death just to like close it out, it to me, it's like a blazing fire that runs through a forest and we've all seen them. It just picks up its trajectory and then it literally wipes out an entire section. And I feel that in life that is very much what death is it?
It, it's the holy fire. It literally will burn everything in its path. And then when you think that there's no hope left and that there's nothing there, and it's so desolate and barren and it's just destroyed, it literally destroys you internally, externally, your whole life just gets ripped apart by this massive death fire.
But what that does is it creates a lot of space. And there's a lot of pain to sit in that emptiness. But if your perception of it can change even just slightly, that now you have this fresh ground to start harvesting new things and planting new seeds and growing new trees, and it might be a giant field of sunflowers.
It's a choice. We gotta make conscious choices to view death in a different way so that we can be expanded by the process in life. Through death.
[00:36:42] Jill: That was amazing. Perfect ending. Love it. I love it. Thank you so much. So tell everybody where they can find you if they wanna connect with you. What else you wanna mention about your work before we close it up.
[00:36:56] Danika: Thanks, Jill. Well, I'm Danika Rose Creative. It's spelt with a K A H, and you can find me on all the platforms. I'm a poet. I'm a singer songwriter. I'm a mother, I'm a lover. I actually do business consulting and strategy. And that has a heavy part to play with my intuition. But I am also a psychic medium of 13 years.
So I have a, a strong affinity and connection with people that have passed on, and it's very easy for me to tune in by phone, by video call in person. It doesn't really matter. So if anybody wanted to reach out and get a reading, it is something that I do professionally. And I'm very much connected to that expansive nature, if that's your vibe. So yeah. Thanks Jill. That was great,
[00:37:40] Jill: Oh, you're welcome. I'll put all the links and stuff too in the show notes. Cool. So if anybody wants to find you, they can find you there. But thank you so much. I really appreciate you coming on. This was an awesome conversation. And if anybody has feedback or questions, please reach out to us.
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[00:38:01] Jill: Yes, thank you, thank you, thank you. But I know we touched on a lot of sensitive topics tonight, so I hope we got everybody thinking a little bit, even if they don't agree with what we said. Hopefully they had some really, I don't know, fuel for some interesting thoughts.
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My guest next week is Patrick Linfante. I connected with Patrick on Facebook after I read a post he made in a group that was talking about how he almost killed himself in a drunk driving accident 12 years ago, and now he's a motivational speaker. I reached out to him about being a guest because I needed to know more, and the conversation did not disappoint me.
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