[00:00:00] John: One of the greatest things about dying is that you go from darkness to what? And it is beautiful. 

[00:00:08] Jill: Welcome back to Seeing Death Clearly. I'm your host, Jill McClennan, a death doula and end-of-life coach. Here on my show I have conversations with guests that explore the topics of death, dying, grief, and life itself.

[00:00:22] I wanna encourage you to open your mind and consider perspectives beyond what you may currently believe to be true. In this episode, my guest is John White. John had two near-death experiences that completely changed his life and his ideas about the spirit world. He shares some of these insights with us in today's episode.

[00:00:42] Thank you for joining us for this conversation. Why don't you just kind of start us off a little bit of a background. Are you from New Jersey originally? Actually, I don't even know where you live now. 

[00:00:50] John: Born and raised in Philadelphia. You know, concrete Charlie, my whole life. Grew up in, uh, Northeast Philadelphia.

[00:00:57] Oh yeah. It's between Kensington and Frankfurt. 

[00:00:59] Jill: Oh, yep, yep, yep. I know those.

[00:01:01] John: Lower middle class, at least it was 50-plus years ago. Mm-hmm. I dunno about today. So, grew up in Northeast Philadelphia. Never left the area. When I got done, I guess college, I moved into Center City, Philadelphia. Written house, 18 to market.

[00:01:19] Jill: Oh yeah. I love that area. It's a great area.

[00:01:20] John: Uh, you know, spent 25 of the best years of my life in Center City, Philadelphia. I was a tax guy. Accounting, tax, and financial services started my own business in the late nineties. I'm still in today. But what brought us together was my first near-death experience.

[00:01:43] Which was in a head-on car accident, head-on collision car accident in 2012. And that changed my life in an incident. Hmm. But not for the battle. I initially, yeah. 'cause it took me about 10 years and a second-year death experience. To recover. Oh wow. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So this body and mind have been through a lot.

[00:02:10] As soon as I saw your show, I was like a death. Do I have to, I have to speak to this woman. 

[00:02:18] Jill: I'm excited to hear. Even like before your near-death experience, were you spiritual or religious at all? 

[00:02:24] John: None of that. No. Nope. And this is the honest to God's truth. The car accident before the near-death experiences, I believed in like a higher power law of attraction, that kind of stuff.

[00:02:37] But being born into Catholicism, mm-hmm. And being born into the same indoctrination system everybody on this planet is born into. I was programmed and brainwashed and mind controlled like everybody else. You know, if it had anything to do with religion or spirituality, I wanted nothing to do. However, being self-employed and being a failure.

[00:03:03] Right. Led me to hundreds, if not thousands of business books and personal development. And so I was coming across a lot of spirituality, but I wouldn't read it. Hmm, okay. Like I was introduced to Wayne Dyer, 2005, 2006, wouldn't read his stuff. I was not a believer in spirituality and or religion. And quite honestly, What's happened to me even during my healing process with some spiritual healers, if you will, that are really Spiritual Steelers. Know these are leaders cults, even though what we discuss is coined spirituality, I'm not a spiritual person. This is just quite simply, it's my truth. It's undeniable what I've experienced and died and lived through that. It's just simply the truth. Now, if you wanna call it spirituality or religion, that's up to the listener.

[00:04:09] But for me, this is just simple truth, quite honestly. It's all provable. You know, if you want to get into quantum physics, metaphysics, I didn't know any of this stuff, you know, but it's all, it's all out there. It's all the proof. The truth is out there. It's in front of everybody. Yes, if you are willing and capable of seeing and seeking the truth.

[00:04:35] Jill: And a lot of people, for whatever reason, have that same resistance that I think you were talking about, of reading the spiritual books. Why we resist it? I don't know. And I think maybe sometimes I resist the books and the leaders as well for that same reason, because I almost feel like sometimes the ego takes over and the truth that they're trying to spread gets lost because their ego takes over and then it becomes like this, like it's my way or no way, and I don't have interest in that.

[00:05:07] John: It's almost like the entire world has stockholders syndrome, where after a lifetime of being brainwashed and controlled and manipulated, The truth becomes harder to believe than the lies. Yeah. Which I believe is one of the reasons why I had to die twice in this incarnation because I was so deep in it myself.

[00:05:29] Jill: Yeah. So how did you have your second near death experience if the first one was the car accident? 

[00:05:35] John: First one was a car accident, second one was, I was trying to heal. I had a, I mean, a long, long list of injuries. I had neck and back injuries. I was ultimately diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder three years following a car accident.

[00:05:52] I was diagnosed with an incurable disorder, post-traumatic stress disorder, and because I was disabled and in bed, I had nothing to do but trying to get better. So I was, Turning over every stone, learning everything I could, studying everybody, reading and studying everything I could. And I read a book by Dr. Dan Engel called The Concussion Repair Manual, and a pretty, pretty bad concussion, and he was talking about the use of psychedelics. I also watched a documentary called The Reality of Truth, which again, use psychedelics plant medicine called ayahuasca. So I started looking into this stuff. I was working with a functional medicine doctor.

[00:06:37] I had a greater medicine doctor. They treat MINDBODY soul. I was doing all kinds of supplements and I had natural supplements. I had synthetic medicines. I mean, I was, I was, I was suicidal for years. Of the physical suffering I was under undergoing, and I'm sorry, it's hard to talk about sometimes, but It's okay.

[00:07:01] You can take your time. I've, I've been through a lot, like just physically and there's not a medication. I didn't try, there's not a supplement. I didn't try, there's not a doctor I didn't see. I was trying to get into a study using psychedelics. To heal my P T S D, and long story short, I ended up using psilocybin.

[00:07:23] Mm-hmm. Which is mushrooms. I don't know if I took too much. I don't really know what happened, but that's when. I had my second near death experience and extremely, extremely traumatic. But that flipped my life again, like just completely. So within months of that experience, I moved out of Philadelphia, moved out to Florida, and changed my entire life.

[00:07:52] My entire lifestyle. And then that's when the real healing began. 

[00:07:57] Jill: That's amazing. I'm sorry that it was so traumatic for you, but the fact that you got there is amazing. 

[00:08:03] John: Yes, and the unfortunate part is that I wasn't done, so I had to endure even more trauma. After moving to Florida. I got involved in two different spiritual cults.

[00:08:16] Oh no. And but again, that was part of my healing. As I came to learn, I came back to help people remember who they really, truly are at their core, at their essence. I'm a true teller, but I earn my wings. I have endure every imaginable trauma. There's not a trauma I have been through that doesn't check a box.

[00:08:40] But it hasn't been easy. That's why I'm trying to get my story out there so that I can help as many people as possible, remember the truth about who they really are and what they really are and why they're really here and, and all that stuff. 

[00:08:55] Jill: Then with your first near-death experience, do you wanna share any details of what you remember from the first near-death experience as well as even the second one?

[00:09:05] John: Yes. So the first near-death experience. So fast. That I didn't really know what happened. The only way I can really describe it is we were driving, well you, you're from New Jersey, correct? Jill? Yeah. Mm-hmm. Alright, so I, and I was driving on Delaware Avenue right at the base of the Ben Franklin Bridge. 

[00:09:26] Jill: Oh yeah, yeah, I know that spot well.

[00:09:28] John: I was heading towards Home Depot to get a grill. The woman headed north and made a left-hand turn to get on 95. Mm-hmm. Yep. You know, I'm going 50, 55 miles an hour. I never even hit my brakes. I never even tried to hit my brakes. I never even thought about it hitting my brakes. It was just hit or head off. Wow.

[00:09:48] And the only thing I remember thinking was, oh fuck, we'll go on a and then just. And what I remember, if you could imagine your body in a balloon, and I just got shot through space inside this balloon, and then the edge of a balloon, if you will I like stretched it and stretched it and stretched it.

[00:10:09] And then just as I like popped through it in, boom, I got sucked right back in. Huh. And then I remember my wife at the time screaming my name, John, get out of the car. Get out of the car. Get out of the car. I was like, What we're alive. Like I didn't know what happened and she was on the sidewalk and bleeding from her knees.

[00:10:30] There was people attending to her. I had no idea what happened, but I got out of the car somehow and I remember I was sitting on the sidewalk and I was just kind of like moving my arms and my legs and I literally like envisioned where I was like this little being, but I was on. The outside of the world and I was just kind of like running around and I had so much energy and so much adrenaline going through my system.

[00:11:01] I thought I was fine. I was focused more on my wife 'cause obviously she was hurt, she was bleeding and we went to the hospital. We got like the once over. I was just grateful 'cause we were alive. Mm-hmm. The car was totaled but we hadn't insurance that that wasn't gonna be a big deal. And it wasn't until the next day that I knew my whole life had changed.

[00:11:23] I didn't know how or why, but her and I woke up that next morning and holy cow, everything hurt. My entire body was on fire from the inside out. We couldn't m, we couldn't touch each other. We were just laid in bed, like, what in the world is going on? It took a couple of weeks before we were able to even get to our chiropractor.

[00:11:51] Started treating with him for a few weeks. Then I went to my family doctor, and that's when I was officially diagnosed with a concussion. I had x-rays, I had a broken thumb. I had this concussion, and I started doing more tests, and then I was being told I had all these neck and back injuries, but the day I was diagnosed with the concussion, I went home and told my wife and she's like, yeah, no, duh.

[00:12:18] Like you were knocked out. You were out cold. And I was like, I was, she's like, yeah. I'm like, really? I had no idea. Like I had no idea what happened and I knew nothing about near death experiences. I didn't know until I had moved to Florida. I was just kind of going through this recovery process and I told somebody my story.

[00:12:40] They were like, wow. It sounds like you had a near-death experience. I was like, huh, whatcha talking about? I Googled it and I was like, wow. Yeah, that sounds like exactly what happened to me. And then somebody mentioned Dr. Brian Weiss and past life hypnosis regression. Yep. One person I met in Florida.

[00:12:58] Who's my neighbor is a past life hypnosis therapist. Wow. All right. So then that led to me doing free past life hypnosis sessions, and then that's when all the truth was revealed to me. Okay. 

[00:13:13] Jill: So it wasn't even just the near-death experiences, it was the past life. Regressions that helped you see all of it.

[00:13:21] John: Yep, yep. So it's been the healing to put my whole life back together again. Not even my life, my soul back together again. And that's what ultimately healed me. What's. I think important is what's in those past life hypnosis sessions. Mm-hmm. Because that applies to everyone.

[00:13:39] Jill: Do you wanna tell us a little bit about that?

[00:13:42] John: Well, I mean, I could try, but to be honest with you, Jill, like I don't remember. 'cause I, hypnosis, you have to understand I'm suffering intensely, which is why I did these sessions. Mm-hmm. And then this stuff comes up on her hypnosis and it takes a couple of months. For the information to find you to embody and become what was in those sessions.

[00:14:12] You know, the stuff in those sessions, like I couldn't have made that stuff up in my wildest dreams and I thought, this is it. Like I thought this is it. Like this is your, your life, your lifetime. And that's not what I found out at all. I found out that we're eternal beings and we have thousands of past lives, and we're all one, we're all connected, and none of this is real.

[00:14:38] None of it. You are the creator. I mean, you are the creator of it all and everybody shows up in your life to help you heal in some way and help you realize, or, or, or get you closer to your own truth. And that's why I had all these called that, you know what most people would term as like a negative, negative experience, but we agree to these negative experiences to help us get closer to the truth.

[00:15:05] But so I don't know. I. So what did I learn? I learned that we're all God. God is into all of us. God is not outside anywhere. God is in us. Goddess is in us. All that is is who we are. We are everything. We are God, we are goddess. We are all that is. We are all that was. We are all that is. We are all that ever will be.

[00:15:29] We've been it all. We've had it all. We've done it all. And all you need to do is remember that and you could create. B and have and do whatever you want. It's that simple. But it's also that hard. Yeah, exactly. It's that hard because the few people that ran, or the few people that ran this planet, I'll say the few people that ran this planet designed it that way.

[00:15:56] So it's not easy to get out of the My Control system. It's not easy to get outta the Matrix, but then once you are out of it, and you can see it clearly for what it is. It's Lifechanging. Yeah. And you couldn't pay me all the money in the world to go back into it. 

[00:16:10] Jill: Yes, I understand that as well. I fully believe everything that you've talked about from just different things that I've read and I've learned along the way.

[00:16:19] And the idea even that like none of this is real. My brain gets. Very confused by that because I'm like, how could it not be real though? But you and I are actually talking to each other, and if I am the creator of all this, does that mean I created you and you're not real, but I know that you're real.

[00:16:36] Well, just as much as I know other people are real. So my brain just is like, it chews on it and gets itself confused. 

[00:16:42] John: Well, it's not your brain, it's your ego. Hmm. Okay. Right. So ego, e g O, your ego wants to edge God. 

[00:16:52] Jill: Ooh, I'd never heard that. 

[00:16:53] John: Okay. Okay. So your ego, your ego wants to keep you human. That's what its job is.

[00:17:01] It's job is to protect you as a human right, but that's not who we are. Your humanness, if you can imagine a grain of sand, just a grain of sand in the whole entire universe, when you say you're human, that how small? You are saying you are is grain of sand. When the truth is you are the universe. It's all inside of you, and that's how limiting your humanness really is.

[00:17:30] So you know, again, I'm here to help people. Remember, I'm here to help expand people's consciousness and awareness. Who they truly are and all you truly are. All we are, all we all truly are is just pure consciousness, pure awareness. We are all knowing, all powerful, all powerful, all present. But to say these things, You gotta get real clear and you gotta do a lot of work.

[00:18:00] And a lot of people aren't willing to do the work, or a kid will doing the work or don't even think it's possible to do the work, you know? But I'm here to tell you the biggest secret on this planet is how to reconnect back to source. That's the biggest secret. See? Because once you connect back in the source, you don't need me anymore.

[00:18:16] You don't need anybody. You don't need anybody to help you. Remember, you have your own connection source. You have your own connection to all-knowing. And I'm here to help people remember and help teach them how to reconnect back to their own source. Their own source. Not my source, their own source.

[00:18:35] 'cause I'm a human being. That's infallible and part of me, so I'm not your guru. You are. I'm just trying to help people remember that I have a, yeah. 

[00:18:48] Jill: My question, I guess is I. I don't even know if it's a question. I totally hear everything that you're saying and the idea that you're like, once we fully realize that we don't need anybody anymore, and I think part of my resistance sometimes to fully believing and leaning into a lot of this stuff is that, you know, I'm married, I have kids.

[00:19:12] I live in a small community. I already feel weird and out of place and like I don't belong. And so I'm like, if I fully went…

[00:19:22] John: You're definitely on the right path then Jill. You're definitely on the right path. 

[00:19:26] Jill: Yeah, but I also don't wanna lose a connection to my family. I don't wanna lose a connection with my husband…

[00:19:36] John: So lemme lemme just tell you what happens.

[00:19:39] See loss is an illusion because, when they convey the fear, right? They created this illusion, right, of death and fear and loss and all the grief, sadness, and worry. They wanna keep you in your three lower chas. Yeah. Because if they can keep you in fear, they can control you. Yes. Right? So as long as you're thinking about loss, Your being controlled and manipulated.

[00:20:09] 'cause you're only using 5% of your brain. So when you're in that, only 5% of your brain's capacity is being utilized, and then they're able to manipulate and control you because of that. When you're not in that flight or flight response. Right. When you're in flow. Mm-hmm. Right. You're able to use 95% of your brain's capacity and they're not able to control and manipulate you.

[00:20:29] So one of the greatest things about dying is that you go from darkness to light. And it is beautiful, and that's why everybody talks about, they talk about this love and this light, and it's just, when you leave your body, 'cause it's, again, you're not dying, you just leave your consciousness. Your awareness is leaving your body.

[00:20:51] And when you do that and you reconnect back to the source and you reconnect back to all that is, and you learn who you really are, it's like, and it's like, oh my God, this is fucking amazing. But then they put me back in my fucking busted body. Yeah, yeah. So then I could learn how to heal it and then go teach everybody.

[00:21:10] But I signed up for all this. Yes, but, so I, I don't know if I answered your question. I think I went off a little bit of a tangent. 

[00:21:20] Jill: It basically did answer the question in that like, my fear of loss. It's not really real. No. 

[00:21:29] John: So anytime you surrender and let go, right? Some people say surrender and let God. I'm not a big God guy. Yeah, I'm not. But I understand. Right? So whatever. I'm like, God, goddess, all that is universal energy. So, you know, whatever you want, whatever word you're familiar with. But you know,, by letting go of everything and everyone. Right, and not being attached to anything, anyone, or any kind of outcome you are allowing all possibility.

[00:22:03] Mm-hmm. Right. I've had to do this. I had to let go of everyone and everything, but then what happened is I created all this space and then filled it all back on, back in with just love. Okay. Yep. That's what happens when you make space. Yeah. 

[00:22:21] Jill: Yeah. And it's that fear. You made a good point too about how the fear is what allows other people to manipulate us and control us, and I noticed over the last few years this interesting swing in a lot of people that I used to connect with, that I considered really like spiritual and that I was connected with.

[00:22:44] Then they fell into what they were always preaching about, which is again, this fear. And then they're being controlled by something else is like kind of the way that I'm observing it. And I find it really fascinating. 'cause then they'll be like, you're the one that's controlled by blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, yeah, but you're controlled just as much.

[00:23:04] Your fear is different than my fear. You're still being manipulated and controlled by people that are getting something out of you believing that whatever it is, all vaccines are out to kill us, or whatever it is. And again, I don't have full trust in doctors or humans in general, pharmaceutical companies, all of that.

[00:23:25] But I'm also kind of, I try to have this balance of, but I'm still a human that lives in a body. Even though, yes, like there is this other thing, and by you saying, oh, everybody's out to get us, you're still being feared and controlled. So I don't know. I find it really fascinating. I find humans fascinating and sometimes very frustrating, but it's been interesting to observe.

[00:23:49] I don't know, just what the pandemic has done to all of us.

[00:23:53] John:. Mm-hmm. And what I would say, Jill, is this. Again, I've been self-employed since the late nineties. Okay. Yeah. Right. And you know, I had the blessing of going through bankruptcy my third year in business because of nine 11. Okay. Right. So again, I'm a financial guy.

[00:24:12] Nine 11 happened and just shut down my business. Mm-hmm. Right. So I had the blessing of going through bankruptcy and learned a lot. But as a result, I've read thousands of books. So from 2005 to 2012, I was reading a hundred, 150 books a year, just consuming massive amounts of information. Okay. And it didn't change my perspective of who I was, right?

[00:24:39] So like I'm with you. Like I reading a book. I didn't learn this. Reading a book, I learned this by doing it. So this is one I know. And not because I read books, but because of my own experience. Right. So I'm able to help teach people how to reconnect back to their own source, and how to become their own miracle worker.

[00:25:02] 'cause we're all here to perform miracles on the daily. Right. But until you start doing it, it's just, you know, yeah, maybe, maybe not. Right? But that's where faith or belief comes in. Mm-hmm. But you know, this is. What I know is because of my experiences. 

[00:25:21] Jill: Yeah. It's like the book smart versus street smart. You could be really book smart, but it doesn't mean that you fully embody it and understand it until you've actually lived it.

[00:25:33] John: I've met my angels, I've met my guides. We're not here alone. Your soul did not come here by, its you have help. Higher energy, higher vibrational energy beings. That surround you at all times. You have a whole team, right? And once you learn how to work with your team, which is while really quite simple, all you need to do is.

[00:25:59] I need help. Right? But once you start learning how to work with energy, right? 'cause that's all we are anyway. But once you learn how to work with energy, work with your angels, work with your guides, you can literally create miracles on the daily. Your entire path becomes illuminated, right? That's why enlightenment.

[00:26:23] 'cause your whole pan becomes clear. There's no guesswork, there's no, I don't know because you're reconnected back to source and it's a process, but anybody could do it. Yeah, 

[00:26:35] Jill: I agree that anybody could do it. We just, like you said at the beginning, you know, we're just kind of programmed. And taught to not believe in these things.

[00:26:47] John: Being afraid of losing your family or losing loved ones or whatever, like I understand. However, I will remind you, you have an entire soul family, an entire soul family that you may or may not be aware of. But if you. Remember, become aware of it and just start calling in your soul family.

[00:27:10] You know these, they're the people that are really gonna love you. They're the people that are really gonna help you. They're the people that are really gonna propel you onto your, your true souls meaning and purpose. 

[00:27:23] Jill: Yeah. Yeah, and I have a few of those I think that I've met along the way, but Yep, there is definitely still just, I don't know.

[00:27:31] Some of it too, I think maybe ties with past life things where they talk a lot about like the witch wound, about how, you know, if you were a witch, you know, in quotes, in a past life you probably were killed for it. And so now in this lifetime, there's still part of me that's like, oh man, but if I get too weird, What are they gonna do to me?

[00:27:52] And that really kind of ties with I was gonna ask you if you have a fear of death now. 

[00:27:59] John: Oh my gosh, no. I welcome it. I welcome it. I welcome it. It's just, it's not going to happen. And I do what I'm here to do. Mm-hmm. So, Like, I'll give you an example. I still have healing to do, right? 'cause again, I've been through a lot, a lot of trauma.

[00:28:15] Not just the Big T trauma, but I've had, I have other trauma that I still need to heal. And considering doing mushrooms again, okay. And you know, I should be afraid because of what happened to me the first time. But part of me is like I already know what death is. So that's not a big deal. And quite honestly, I know.

[00:28:36] I'm not really, I know why I'm here. Mm-hmm. So I know that mushrooms are not going to kill me because I still haven't accomplished my mission. Yeah. 

[00:28:45] Jill: Do you have somebody that would sit with you like a trip sitter? 

[00:28:49] John: I do. I do. Okay. So now I have my same neighbor that does the past life hypnosis. Is also a licensed therapist with psychedelics.

[00:28:58] Oh, wonderful. Yeah. And again, it's so funny, right? Here's a Brazilian woman living in Florida and she got certified in a place in West Philadelphia that certifies people. Therapists or psychedelics. 

[00:29:12] Jill: I think that makes a big difference in people's experience with any type of psychedelics, that if you really have somebody that you trust and that will be there with you so that anything that does come up, you're supported it, I think makes a huge difference.

[00:29:29] Personally, I do have not a lot of experience with psychedelics. I think that's, again, for me, I'm afraid that I will lose my mind on them. So, which is part of the reason you do 'em right? To lose part of your mind? 

[00:29:41] John: Well, well, no, no, actually it's not. I wanna, oh, okay. Good. I wanna make this crystal clear to your audience or anybody that ever hears this, these medicines, psychedelics, ayahuasca.

[00:29:53] Mushrooms, Campo, there's a long list of natural plant and animal medicines. Mm-hmm. But these are not recreational drugs. These are not party drugs. I would get it in a ceremonial healing way and still had a disastrous experience. But you know what I would tell your audience is it is by, so the medicine is half of the equation.

[00:30:20] So medicine is going to provide that experience. It's going to, it's going, it's going you outta your body. Mm-hmm. Right. And show you the truth about who you are. Right. But the other half of the medicine is the information, the knowledge, the wisdom, and that's why it needs to be done in a therapeutic atmosphere.

[00:30:42] And that's the only reason why I'm considering doing it again. Mm-hmm. To heal from. The trauma I've gone through getting outta these two spiritual cults kind of ssis or anything? 

[00:30:55] Jill: I have not, no. Yeah. Again, it's interesting because as much as I am spiritual and I believe in a lot of these things, I think part of me has some resistance, some fear around, I don't know, going too deep.

[00:31:12] And I always have, like even when I was younger and I had friends that were like doing acid and doing mushrooms, I was like, Nope, nope, nope, not for me. I don't wanna do it.

[00:31:19] John: I can't tell you the struggle I've had in. Believing my own story. Hmm. So this is not unique to you or to your listeners. It's not like I did these past life hypnosis sessions and found out I was a mailman or a milk delivery guy.

[00:31:34] I found out I walked with Jesus. I found out I was the king of Atlantis. It's not easy to believe. I still have all the recordings from my sessions. Oh, awesome. Yeah, so you can hear like, when I come out of hypnosis, Especially the last one where I talked about spacesuits and being the king of Atlantis and all this kind of stuff.

[00:31:54] When I came out of hypnosis, I was like, what did I just say? Like what? I was blown away. Mm-hmm. It's taken me a long time to even embrace. What came through me, but if I was not doing the work, if I wasn't meditating every day, if I wasn't eating a whole organic food diet, drinking high alkaline water, getting my sun every day, getting my feet in the sand every day, getting in the ocean every day.

[00:32:26] Spending my time in nature, it's very hard for me to be around other human beings because they vibrate at such a low level and I can feel it. Yeah, so it's hard for me to participate in mainstream living. The benefit is I get pulled across the street from the beach and spend a lot of time in nature, and my life is a vacation.

[00:32:50] Jill: Sounds amazing to me. Like feet in the sand every day, getting ready to go in the ocean every day. Yeah, I would definitely love 

[00:32:57] John: that. If you're willing to sign up for what I signed up for, God bless. I would not have consciously done it to get here. No way in hell, nope. I had a great life in Philly. I was happy, joyful, and successful.

[00:33:12] I was living the dream, but it was a dream. Hmm. Yeah. And now it's taken me 10 years, but now I'm living the truth and living the dream at the same time, so it's good. Yeah. 

[00:33:24] Jill: Is there any last thing you wanna mention? Or if anybody wants to get in touch with you, is there a way to do that? What do you wanna finish this up with?

[00:33:32] John: If anybody wants to. Get in touch with me. I can give you my email. 

[00:33:38] Jill: Yeah, I can put it in the show notes if you're comfortable with me sharing it. 

[00:33:41] John: Yeah, of course. While I'm happy to talk to anybody, I'm here to help mass scale. Mm-hmm. So working with people one-on-one is not my ultimate desire. Yeah. But I'll talk to anyone.

[00:33:56] Okay, great. So I'd be happy to give you my email. People are free to reach out. My business is not telling people the truth and getting paid for it. I don't charge people to heal them or talk to them or help 'em. Remember, spirituality is not my business. I've got businesses that are businesses, and that's why I'm able to just live life.

[00:34:17] 'cause the truth should be free and it is free for everyone. I'm just going to help 'em remember where to find it.

[00:34:23] Jill: Amazing. Well, I'm sure listening to this episode today, people will at least get a little glimpse of it. Maybe it touches that little spot inside them that helps them remember a little bit.

[00:34:35] Because I do feel like every time I have a conversation like this, It's almost like I can feel it in my body. Like part of me is like, ah, yes. Remember, just, just remember. Just remember, right? I'm like, damn it, I'm trying. 

[00:34:46] John: Yes. And if you remember in my book, the Truth is programmed into you, right? So this is just your spacesuit, right?

[00:34:55] And your mind is a supercomputer, right? And your body is a super body. They communicate with one another. You wanna know which one with your body. All you have to do is ask. Your body will tell you. Right. We all have this thing called intuition. It's an inner guidance system, but because of the mind control system and the in inauguration system and the education system, and the healthcare system and the financial system, people are taught to ignore their intuition.

[00:35:22] You go against their intuition and then they suffer, right? So the knowing is already built in. It's built into your heart. It's built into your gut. It's built into your brain or creator, whoever you deem your creator to be. Somebody made all that and it's built in. So when you are having these conversations, that's what's happening.

[00:35:45] It's connecting the dots in your head and your heart and your gut. 'cause that's where your knowing is. 

[00:35:51] Jill: Yeah, and I just need to listen more. I think like a lot of us, yeah, I have learned more and more to listen and to trust. 

[00:35:59] John: Yep. And again, I'm not your source. I'm not your listener source. Anything I say that doesn't resonate with you, great.

[00:36:07] Get rid of it, let it go. Don't pay attention to it. Doesn't matter anything that I say, and it rings true to you, do whatever you want with. Okay. But use your own discernment. Use your own intuition. Use your own, no. 

[00:36:19] Jill: Awesome. Well, thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much. This was an amazing conversation. I really enjoyed it and I enjoyed meeting you, but I'd also just appreciate you being vulnerable and sharing a story that I know has still some pain so thank you. 

[00:36:36] John: I'm healing. We're all here to heal. We really are, and it's an ongoing process. It never stops, but it's ultimately the more you heal, the more it's just bringing you closer to your own truth. 

[00:36:52] Jill: And I wanna find all of my truth. It's in there. I know it is.

[00:36:55] John: You just did. So just that statement you just did.

[00:36:59] 'cause that's how easy it is. I want, I want, I am. I desire, you call it in. I wanna know the truth about who I am and why I'm here and you want to get it. And it's that simple. But it's also that hard because of all the combined, all the lies, all the control, all the manipulation. That's why it's so hard.

[00:37:20] Jill: Yeah, I know. I know. And I'm trying to let all that go, but also still, I exist in a place that I need to be

[00:37:28] John:. Stay in that statement. I wanna know the truth about who I am and it will find you, I promise. 

[00:37:34] Jill: Amazing. Well, thank you. I'm gonna write that down then and hang it up on my wall. I have like reminders of things hung up.

[00:37:40] I actually tattoo a lot of stuff on my body. Like I have, I am tattooed on my arm as I feel like the more that I see those reminders and read them and just say it over and over and over against myself, the more it happens. So that'll be my new one.

[00:37:53] John: Yep. And I would say that same thing all your listeners.

[00:37:56] If you wanna know the truth, just call it in. I desire to know the truth about who I am and why I'm here. And then just be open and receptive to whatever finds you 'cause it will. 

[00:38:12] Jill: Amazing. Well, thank you so much.

[00:38:12] John: My pleasure. 

[00:38:14] Jill: Thank you for listening to this episode of Seeing Death. Clearly. My guest next week is Ariel Klow.

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