Midnight Train to Royston (S2:Ep11:Part1)

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Speaker 1: 0:22

Welcome to our Ted Lasso talk, the Tedcast. Welcome all Greyhound fans, welcome all you sinners from the dog track and all the AFC Richmond fans around the world. It's the Lasso way around these parts with Coach, coach and Boss, without further ado, coach Castleton.

Speaker 3: 0:40

Okay, welcome back, beautiful people. Today we're exploring Ted Lasso, season two, episode 11. This is midnight train to Royston. I'm your host, coach Castleton.

Speaker 1: 0:51

With me, as always, is Coach Bishop Never gonna give you up, never gonna lift you down.

Speaker 3: 0:59

Yeah, you let me down a couple times, Coach Over the but 30 years is a long time to keep up that promise With us. Is our, is our Boss, Emily Chambers.

Speaker 2: 1:09

I talk so much shit about award shows. All the time I say that the Oscars fucking blow it. I say that the Emmys don't know who to actually give awards to. I don't even fuck with Tony because I don't know him, and then the goddamn Grammys fucking show up. I am right now. I am, I am, I am to record this podcast. I am taking a break from my full time job of listening to Tracy Chapman's fast car on repeat, over and over and over again.

Speaker 3: 1:44

Yeah, because it's she is. She is like a different type. You listen to that and you and you just I mean, yeah, it's, it's tremendous. I don't watch the Grammys because I, the Grammy, it's not my, it's not my thing per se, like I'll watch the film, the television, but I trust with the Grammys, like if there is a breakout performance or something notable, it'll be all over everything the next day. Even before there was social media, it would hit the news. You would at least say, oh, they'll be on the cover of Time Magazine, right. So with this one without a doubt the biggest thing, the Joni.

Speaker 2: 2:27

Mitchell stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it was fantastic. I was just going to say I don't want to overlook Joni Mitchell or Annie Lennox doing the tribute to Shanae Dockhunter who passed away this year, and keeping in both Annie Lennox and Shanae Dockhunter's politics calling for a ceasefire in Gaza at the end of her performance. Thank you, annie Lennox. This is why I've loved you forever. I'm really happy about that.

Speaker 3: 2:50

She's so good.

Speaker 2: 2:51

But so I no longer go to bars where people sing like loudly, like sometimes there's entertainment, but I don't, really I don't hang at the college bars anymore. We're like every single white person in the place when they play sweet Caroline will say so good, so good, so good.

Speaker 3: 3:09

On cue I don't do those bars anymore.

Speaker 2: 3:11

But a part of me wants to go to the closest lesbian bar to me so that a like building full of middle-aged women can shout and your arm felt nice wrapped around my shoulder and like I need, I need. I need to punch the air while we're all shouting at the same time the, the, the dirge of longing and dissatisfaction with the country. It's really good. I'm really happy about it.

Speaker 3: 3:40

Yeah, no, no, I yeah, it's listen anytime. When you have a kindred spirit, you know, sometimes you can feel out of sync with with people. But when, when certain performers go up there, people are torn on this because it's like, oh, don't make these shows about, about you or about a you know some sort of platform. It's not a platform, but it's like if they don't use that platform, like what else? This is the one time they're going to say, please stop killing people, where anyone you know can actually list. So I get both sides of it, but I will say that, man, like these are, these are four.

Speaker 3: 4:19

When you're in, this should have been probably 15 years ago. Oh yeah, but the boomers have taken over, like, they've been in control for so long. But we're getting this tiny microcosm of like acts from our childhood where people like Annie Lennox is forming, like Johnny Mitchell are you kidding? Like? And then Tracy Chapman came out of nowhere and and and was, and then, and then, and then left and then was like I'm good which like good for her kind of the coolest thing yeah.

Speaker 3: 4:50

Yeah, yeah, it's like the coolest of the cool, where she's like I have all of the talent. Yes, I'm just gonna, I'm gonna take it.

Speaker 2: 4:59

I'm just gonna do whatever the fuck I feel like. And, yes, I'm good for her and it isn't about this, but she looked incredible. She looked so good.

Speaker 1: 5:08

I am several people mentioned that in the picture I saw was like wow.

Speaker 2: 5:12

Oh my god, I am so painfully straight that it depresses me. But there is something like I. I am not interested in women, I am interested in Tracy Chapman. I love her.

Speaker 1: 5:24

I think she's great.

Speaker 1: 5:27

But I think probably some of what you know, those of us who were around. I mean, we're not the same generation, but I think we were. We're close enough in age that we would have appreciated her. On some, I think it's a reminder, like her in particular. There's a reminder that there was something going on in that general time where there was some pushing against like hey, what if we weren't a bunch of vapid assholes? Yes, yeah, we ultimately went the way of being vapid assholes as a group, but there was a moment where at least some people were asking the question like hey, what if we weren't? Yeah?

Speaker 3: 6:11

And she to me was one of the people who was asking that question.

Speaker 1: 6:14

It was like yeah, what if yeah? What if we just didn't do this. Yes, so it's a reminder of like oh yeah, I agreed with her. Like how do I get swept up into the real housewives, Don't know. Okay.

Speaker 2: 6:27

Well, you know, we all need our guilty pleasures. I'm not going to knock like Listen, I ate a bag of potato chips for dinner the other night. Sometimes you need food and sometimes you need not food, and that's fine.

Speaker 2: 6:37

Right, but yeah, I was talking in our writers group Slack about how Fast Cars one of the first songs that I remember, sort of fighting on my own. I don't know how I found it. I was like eight when it came out, so the music I listened to was the music my parents play for me or sometimes the music my older sister played for me.

Speaker 2: 6:59

But I wasn't like in my room with my radio, like what's on XRT Now? Like somehow I found it, though, and I was like oh, this is a song I like. Like this is this is this is what I found mine, this is mine.

Speaker 2: 7:12

And then I must have been a little bit older when I first heard it, because it like gets blended into a lot of the Lilith fair stuff for me, like early a Joan Asbourne and Sarah McLaughlin and a few others. Like somebody was saying something about how, with Barbie, the indigo girls are also having a bit of a revival right now and I was like, oh yes, there was actually like a lot of female focused rock, folk stuff from the late 80s through the like mid 90s. That didn't become popular until the later 90s. But I'm like that people are out there fucking doing shit Kate Bush, and I know that I'm missing a bunch. Liz Fair God fucking for being. I forget Liz Fair, but yeah, so I'm hoping that we are now.

Speaker 3: 7:56

I'm a huge Liz Fair fan.

Speaker 2: 7:58

I like her enough. I never got so super into her, but there were a few songs of hers like. Polyester bride is one of my favorite. I fucking love polyester bride. I cannot help it. I do like the one that she came out with later. Why can't I breathe without you? It's not even her best. I still love it.

Speaker 3: 8:19

I don't know, I can't fucking help it. No, no, there are songs there. Just there's some lyrics she has that will just get you, or like a. You know I was in from the early, early, like you know, when she would never play and nobody heard of her and she was just like this, this sort of anomaly, whipsmart days, and yeah, no again.

Speaker 3: 8:41

Those were. Those are interesting times and this one was a. You know, we've got to make a decision. Oh, man, like I mean, it's like, it's like this tipping point what is it 1980? Did this come out when it was fast? And so it's predates grunge. But it asks the same. So it puts you in the same sort of situation that grunge just attempts to, which is like you know, like how do we get here again, like, and it like leave tonight or live and die this way. Those are the choices. It didn't feel like the world was your, your car, no, no, no, no, you know, so it was.

Speaker 2: 9:23

Yeah, no, I think that that is an incredibly pointed comment to make, that it predated that sort of like I want to say funk, but not in like the Stevie Wonderway funk and like there is some dissolution and a mood, yes, as in like there is a rot to the underlying suburbia and we're not discussing how things aren't actually playing out the way that they're supposed to, that her song taps into in that grunge later tapped into Because you mentioned it came out in 88, the last thing I'm going to say about it. Then we could talk about Ted Lasso, which is what this podcast is about, is that and actually this will be a nice tie in. So the first time that she played that song live was at Wembley in 88. So old Wembley Stadium, ted Lasso taught me she played a set and then Stevie Wonder was supposed to go on and they were having technical issues and he wasn't going out and the crowd started getting impatient and so she, by herself with her guitar, went out and played fast car for the entire audience.

Speaker 2: 10:34

That is not the song that you play to get people it like into the like. That is a hard song to listen to. Ever. It must be very hard to listen to in a crowd like that when it's brand new. She was 24 years old. She was 24 years old and went out and just commanded the fuck out of Wembley so that Stevie Wonder can get a shit together. It's I hate green threads, taught me that and bless you for that, because I fucking love that story.

Speaker 3: 11:04

Yeah, I think we all know what a fucking train wreck Stevie Wonder. Oh yeah, come on.

Speaker 1: 11:10

We don't need to go down this side road, but I will. There are a couple things I've been trying to do better about sharing in the community, and there's a story about Stevie Wonder beating a guy up. What. So goddamn funny. What? Yeah, it's a whole fucking thing, the argument in the studio, and then they had to blind folded the other guy like to make it fit. It's fucking you serious.

Speaker 1: 11:34

I read this story I was crying. I was like, oh my, how long and absurd is life that I know. I have heard a story about Stevie Wonder not just getting in an altercation with somebody, but laying hands on somebody. Like that's life is something else.

Speaker 2: 11:54

But I'm so happy.

Speaker 3: 11:55

I'm so happy right now, Okay so we're going to shift from one iconic black man to another very smooth on very open on Sam Obisanya. He has had the game of his life. The crowd is shouting in Seven Nation Army sort of pattern, pattern of that.

Speaker 2: 12:22

the dad Do you know rhythm, because it would be really great if a white guy couldn't come up with rhythm.

Speaker 3: 12:30

Is that rhythm? Oh, I got rhythm. Oh boy, that's holy. What's what is rhythm? Again? But yes, that's it, the rhythm of Seven Nation Army.

Speaker 3: 12:42

And and it's one of my favorite things about soccer, I'm just going to put that in there when people get chance with their name, like there's this one where it's like, as an Irish soccer player I really love, her name is Katie McCabe. She's a lunatic. Her name, her nickname, is Katie McCard, because every time she gets on the field she gets a yellow card or red, sometimes just for fun, and she is just strong as a bear and such a great player and the best teammate ever and universally beloved. Unless you're playing against her, she's one of those players like you know, like the minute the whistle blows she's not your body anymore and then you know she can really compartmentalize. But people will chant like we got the cave, katie McCabe, and I'm like like they're bragging, we have McCabe. You know what I mean. Like there's there's a series and all through different soccer clubs across the world you said you know there's this one on YouTube that I love, where the people saying we got the best midfield in the world.

Speaker 3: 13:46

Oh they got the best field in the world. You know you're like, oh my God, it is so I can't even imagine what that must feel like as an athlete. To have people singing to bring people to song with how good you are at a sport must be about the pinnacle of athletics. I would think it's got to be up there with gold medals and things like that. We open that way. Sam Obisanya getting his name chanted. He is, I mean huge smiles. We know what we're coming off. The last episode where Sam and Rebecca took a little break in the cupboard, thanks to coach pointing out Deborah's term for it. Coach, you don't have any cupboards, huh?

Speaker 1: 14:30

I didn't understand that I did. I don't believe we do have a cupboard of that sort, certainly, but I thought that was interesting, got it I thought it was really interesting.

Speaker 3: 14:40

Arlo says three points for Sam Obisanya. He gets the man of the match ball. I don't know if you guys picked up on that. That's why the day's getting the ball there. He's the man of the match. An incredible turnaround. The coaches on the sidelines are sharing for everybody's sharing for him. Jan Moss runs up and hugs him. You know it's nice for a player to realize his potential. Arlo Chris says they come out of Nelson Road. It is still people running up and grabbing and cheering. He must have had a game to remember. There's a, there's a coworker or something that takes a picture of his back just to prove he was near him. Okay, yeah, so she is a employee. She's so enamored with him She'll get street cred just for taking a picture where she was a foot away from and behind it Like it's just the back of his head Like how was this close to Sam Obisanya's enough?

Speaker 3: 15:40

It's funny because if she had said, sam, can I get a picture of you? He'd be like of course, yes.

Speaker 2: 15:44

I was just gonna say that Of course he would.

Speaker 3: 15:48

But I like that, you know. I like when people are kind enough to not interfere. Okay, sam sits down in his car, which is a Tesla, of course, because once upon a time the Tesla was the right car, I know.

Speaker 1: 16:02

For the right type of person.

Speaker 3: 16:04

Now, if you drive a Tesla, you're a terrible, terrible person supporting all kinds of horrific things. I am looking at you, coach Bishop. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 16:18

Sorry, I wish I had a Tesla.

Speaker 3: 16:20

I would trade my car for a Tesla. It's instantaneous torque. For those people who have never driven an electric car, it is you never have to worry about merging. Or does this car have enough guts to speed up? I think do. I think I can make it.

Speaker 1: 16:35

Oh yeah, no, I think I can make it's behind you, but yeah, it doesn't feel good to feel like I've contributed to the chaos that is being sown.

Speaker 3: 16:45

Yeah, okay. So Sam gets in the car here, right onto his phone. He finally gets him into peace, gets, looks right to Rebecca. Right to a text from Rebecca. We see you know Sam has sent her. Your eye naturally drifts up. We have an insert of the phone. We see that Sam has sent her a couple of cool guy emojis, cool shades, and then two wink emojis on their own. I love a middle-aged white man talking about emojis. It reminds me of you know. My favorite thing is a high school principal, white high school principal saying featuring when announcing something to like the app rally.

Speaker 3: 17:29

You know it's like a featuring pit bull.

Speaker 2: 17:31

I was just gonna say featuring pit bull. I don't know why he's the feature to go to, but yes.

Speaker 2: 17:36

I don't know why, but it's so, If it helps at all there's a middle-aged white man who happens to be in line for the Throne of England and he did tell a magazine, in front of his wife, that his favorite emoji is the eggplant. Which, oh yeah, oh yeah. Prince William said that in an interview and nobody knows why. Like, does he not know that it's a dick? Because it's a dick, it's supposed to be a dick, wills.

Speaker 1: 18:04

Here's the thing. If it's not a dick, I need to understand why it would be your favorite. Thank you, it's actually weirder if that's your favorite and you don't know, is it that they call it? I feel like that's crazy.

Speaker 3: 18:16

I don't know why. Can we just please take it easy on the Royals? They are royal after all. Absolutely not. No boss, I will not hit wait. I mean, how do I mute her mic coach? You gotta, I will not stand here. A free man in America.

Speaker 2: 18:32

Yeah, we no, we fought.

Speaker 3: 18:34

As you malign a monarch from a different country A monarch in 2024.

Speaker 2: 18:38

Well, it has to be a different country. America doesn't do everything right, but we are smart enough to not have a king Anytime that any country that tries to insult the US.

Speaker 1: 18:46

Don't get ahead of yourself there, coach.

Speaker 3: 18:48

Yeah, I would not. I mean, boss Would not tell yourself short about intelligence.

Speaker 1: 18:52

November Commiss is all I'm saying. We'll see.

Speaker 2: 18:54

Springport already ruled. That I would like to point out. Maybe maybe really got confused because over there they call it an aubergine. Maybe he didn't understand that's that eggplant is dick because that's a superior word, it's a superior word. It's last descriptive, but it is superior.

Speaker 3: 19:11

Soft G's. Anyway, a hat trick for oh no, sorry. After the emojis he says it would be great to see you again, but, and no pressure at all, but I do miss you, and we have a mark that is delivered, and then we get the telltale sort of date above.

Speaker 2: 19:31

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 19:31

The most recent text suggesting that that was last night or another time.

Speaker 1: 19:36

It was not immediate, right yeah?

Speaker 3: 19:38

Right, right. So after the game, rebecca has texted him a hat trick bloody brilliant, I'm so happy for you. And we see the three dots, the telltale three dots. All right, what is he hoping for here, boss? What is what? What does he want the next three dot pop to see? I would love to see you too, three dot pop. That's a good game for a good name for Skaban, by the way. All right, keep going.

Speaker 2: 20:03

Three dot pop. No, no, no, no.

Speaker 3: 20:05

No Three dot soda. I feel like it's a thing.

Speaker 2: 20:08

No, no, it might be a thing, but also. Do we need another Skaban? Probably not.

Speaker 3: 20:15

Yeah, no, I don't know about that. I can't say we don't need any more Skabans with white people.

Speaker 2: 20:19

I'll tell you that got damn much. No doubt was the last one that did it. That was acceptable and that was 20 years ago.

Speaker 1: 20:24

Yeah, I was going to say, no doubt, holy shit, I know that name.

Speaker 2: 20:28

If not, 30 years ago actually, jesus Christ, I'm old. He wants her to say that he wants. She wants to see him too. He is. He is not done with this by any stretch. He's giving her space, but he is not not interested.

Speaker 1: 20:43

But even his way of saying. I am still interested, though, and I feel like I'm going to be beaten this drum through the end of season two. Certainly, but it feels of the new manhood, like it's not. It doesn't strike me as like manipulative or like hey did I, did I forget my key fob, and I mean it's like you know, hey, hi, I don't want you to feel pressure. I want you to experience this just as me wanting to see you and simple as that. And then he left, you know. So, anyway, I thought it was cool that it was. I thought it was well handled as far as that kind of thing would go.

Speaker 3: 21:21

He is the loveliest human. And you're right, he is not, is not pushy, is not manipulative, is not. You know, it is not negative in any way, it is just a positive thing. He's letting her know where his feelings are. You know he she says a hat trick, but the way everyone else has been celebrating, maybe he's hoping, she's looking, you know, to send him a couple over, jean, that wouldn't be what she would do, but that's fine.

Speaker 2: 21:55

I would like to very quickly mention that one of my five, one of my close friends, who I see on a regular basis. She has two kids. I love both of them and extreme amount, and the last time we hung out the next morning when I got home, I was going through my purse and I was like, oh shit, why do I have the little ones dressed in my purse? How did that happen? Was it thrown down the stairs for laundry and accidentally landed because my purse was near there? Like what? I didn't have that much to drink. What was I doing? Why do I have the child's dress so I text her?

Speaker 2: 22:26

I was like hey, can't explain it. Got this in my purse though, so I will bring it back the next time I'm over. And she texts back and says I asked the little one about it. She said that she put it in your purse on purpose, and when I asked her why, she said because then she has to bring it back to me. I was like, girl, I'm going to come hang out with you anyway. I love you. I'm not brilliant Like I would anyway, but I love so much that you're trying to trick me into coming to hang out. I will, I will come back and I will bring it to you.

Speaker 1: 22:59

That is super sweet when a child does it Not so much when an adult does it when an adult does it, it's costan-zing In this case, it's just really adorable.

Speaker 2: 23:08

That's super sweet.

Speaker 1: 23:11

Ok, real quick everyone you're going to hear.

Speaker 3: 23:16

it's going to be a really great episode because for a few minutes I have to go. I just got a text that in the middle of the recording I have to. My beautiful daughter has an elevated temperature, just a little little fever, it looks like, and I have to go grab her from school. So, coach and boss, if you wouldn't mind taking it away and I'll jump back on as soon as I get her through school.

Speaker 2: 23:41

And that silence means we're going to do a really good job, and that silence means we're going to do a really great job of this. Yeah, no.

Speaker 1: 23:47

Oh yeah, we got it Totally. Yeah, do you think? Do you think that fucking guy no as?

Speaker 2: 23:57

soon as he took the headphones off, fucking as soon as soon as he did on cue that fucking guy. Um yeah. All right, so Sam not getting the the peach emoji is, I believe, what we would be looking for oh. Rebecca would probably not be sending an on the team. I don't think, if not as far as I'm aware, I'm not going to say one way or the other, I'm just going to say, based on presentation, what not? We don't know, rebecca, that well.

Speaker 1: 24:28

I don't get the sense. That's her style, but it's fair yeah.

Speaker 2: 24:33

So Sam sitting in his car, not thrilled with the message, it's not his favorite. Luckily, colin is there to immediately take all the pressure off in his new bright green. I don't know what kind of car this is. I should have let you take this one.

Speaker 1: 24:52

I believe it's a Lamborghini, but I could be wrong. I have to see when they pull it off. I could figure it out, but I believe it's a green Lamborghini. Is what I.

Speaker 2: 25:01

I know that it has a spoiler and I've said that those do what they say and they ruin the car, they don't make it look better.

Speaker 1: 25:12

I. There's something very funny Also, that this car is green and his other car is orange.

Speaker 1: 25:19

I'm just saying but anyway, but I have done some more work on that. By the way, we will get to that buttercups, I promise. But I think the too much car thing yes, it's so funny to me and but that, like, because it's it's fine, it's funny, it's a good joke, I thought it worked. But like, why does he have to have that car? Like one could decide you know what? My dad drove a Civic. I kind of have good memories of a Civic. I'll get a Civic. There is something and I speak for myself as well in this Like I have been very Like it's. I have known I want a certain kind of car each time I've gotten a car In the last 20 plus years and there's something very much about that where he needs this car is part of his I've.

Speaker 1: 26:15

I've made it kit Mm. Hmm, you know, what I'm saying. It's just interesting to me, because how much fun could it possibly be to drive a car that feels that like out of your control, like I can't imagine it's fun.

Speaker 2: 26:27

So I don't. I think maybe I've mentioned on here I didn't get my driver's license till I was like 24 years old, just because I screwed it up in high school and then I couldn't take driver's ed without not graduating on time, and then I just it didn't happen. So I went to college, I was the annoying friend who needed a ride everywhere for a long time, but I didn't have my license and then I didn't buy a car until I was maybe 30. I think I got my first car when I was 30 and it was a 2008 Ford Focus and it didn't even have automatic windows. It did still have the roll up and roll down. Wow, yes, yes, so we're talking high end luxury for my first car, exactly.

Speaker 1: 27:13

And then I got the Nissan Versa that I currently own.

Speaker 2: 27:16

That is a 2011 and it is powder blue and it is a hatchback, because you might as well go all the way in. If you're going to get a non intimidating car, a non intimidating car, go non intimidating as possible and they're both great. Like mine's a piece of shit now because it has 150 some thousand miles on it. It's not I would not put it in a race, but it's fine. The little zippy Ford that I had Fucking amazing. Like it wouldn't accelerate great, but it was accelerated enough, and sometimes I felt like I was a driving Ridge racer and so I think you should only have as much cars you need. Cars are not important to me. I don't care about them. Like, if we had a better transit system in the US, I probably wouldn't even require one, but that's fine. So, yeah, I think I would focus on the kind of car that is fun to drive, rather than the car that is impressive to people that know about cars. But Colin is doing his thing, so yeah, no, it's an interesting.

Speaker 1: 28:23

Yeah, it's an interesting thing, but I'm my head is with you, but I'm also recognizing that there's something in me. I don't judge anybody else by their car Like I really don't like driving some 25 year old cars. They figured out how to keep running. I kind of go like good for you, like that's awesome, yes, but I do have a thing like where I'm like no, no, no, no, I want, I want to blob up and it's yeah.

Speaker 1: 28:50

So it's interesting. Yeah, it's just anyway. It just strikes me that like why are you driving that, colin? Yeah, why.

Speaker 2: 28:57

And I should say it's not that I am completely unimpressed with cars. It's just that what does impress me is not what cars are usually advertised for. Like when the boyfriend had replaced whatever Han, maybe a Honda Civic, some car that his mom had given him when that needed to be replaced, he got a brand new Toyota Corolla and I was like the gas mileage on that shit is fucking impressive. Great job. This car like this is a great date night car because you are going to have so much extra money from not paying for gas in order to take me to dinner. I like I wasn't. Like. This is so responsible, so I love it, I love it, mm.

Speaker 1: 29:40

Hmm, yeah, y'all, y'all, y'all. Bag just matches right on up down.

Speaker 2: 29:46

He didn't give a shit, he was like it was cheap and it was there.

Speaker 1: 29:50

I like your bus Anyways.

Speaker 2: 29:52

So yeah, so Colin speeds off in.

Speaker 1: 29:55

Well, not speeds off, but you know, that's a little strong he eventually is skids skids, skids off.

Speaker 2: 30:02

He does make it, and then we cut to the credits and then, right after that, cut to Rebecca's office where she and Keely are discussing something that is making Keely all, to which Rebecca says stop, because when you get all and they're having a conversation about whatever it is, that is very exciting, slash, anxiety provoking for Keely.

Speaker 1: 30:32

I think it's interesting that, like for the moment of like are you making fun of me, right, like I'm being my full self here? It would have been a real violation at this point for her to be making fun of her that way, right, right, because around here we all get to be who we are, yes, so I thought that was kind of in addition to the joke of it all. I thought that was kind of cool.

Speaker 2: 30:51

Yeah, and I do think something that maybe first season, first episode, rebecca wouldn't have made fun of but would have raised an eyebrow about. And so now Rebecca is like I am not judging, I just also I'm trying to speak Keely language and Keely language shout when we're excited, but also made it 100%, 100% she would.

Speaker 1: 31:13

That's great. I love there's an embrace of people and at the level of acceptance you just pointed to, because right, because it's not as if when Rebecca since we were just having that conversation that if Rebecca and Sam bump into each other, she's gonna go right like. Yes, that's not her like, but if I'm talking to Keely, then it's absolutely part of the language, because that's all. Yeah, I love that.

Speaker 2: 31:35

Yes and I also love that this could then become part of their friendship language later, like there are things that I say to individual friends that I don't say to other people, but this is a thing that they say, and so I'm saying it back to them because we get it. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 31:51

Right yeah, we're on the same page, yeah.

Speaker 2: 31:54

Yes, not on the same page as though is Ted when he comes in saying, hey, bing bongs and ding dong's, it's not. It's not the bad tested Ted is we've ever come across.

Speaker 1: 32:08

No, no, is this goofy semi-rimy, yeah, okay, yeah, god. So I was gonna say guess who's going to be. You know, featured Bandy Fair and he and we know at least to some degree he is kidding, where he says who me like? Is he? I finally got it, you know, and of course, no, no, no, keely, and he congratulates her, but that sometimes there have been scenes where I thought does he really not get what's happening? This one is very obviously very teasy and actually I think plays into a bit of the like if Rebecca's kind of Richmond's mom on some level Richmond's dad like with the bed were teasing kids a bit.

Speaker 1: 32:59

Yes, I thought there was a little of that in there, but anyway, no, not you, ted Keely.

Speaker 2: 33:05

Well, this felt sort of oh God, I'm gonna forget which designer it is now, but in season one, episode nine that was all apologies when Ted asks Keely if he has been picked for some sort of ad campaign, yes, yes it was.

Speaker 1: 33:27

It was it was. Yes, god damn it. We'll look it up, we'll follow up, we'll make this is.

Speaker 2: 33:32

This is why usually we keep Castleton around. So he could remain quietly in the corner googling for us when we need him to.

Speaker 1: 33:39

But that's right, I keep on toward.

Speaker 2: 33:43

Tom Ford, god damn it. Great job. I kept thinking Tom Hardy and I was like no that's not what Tom yeah.

Speaker 1: 33:49

It was Tom Ford yeah they were going to every man campaign exactly, and so this?

Speaker 2: 33:55

it felt a little bit like that, but also in the same way that season two, ted is goofier than season one, ted is like. Season one Ted was like, were they interested? And this one, he was like, oh my god, it's like, why would it be? You did you put your name? It did anybody contact you, do you think that they would have told me and Keely before they told you about it.

Speaker 1: 34:15

Told you right, right. Why are we informing you?

Speaker 2: 34:17

right with. This is not the way that it should be going. But anyway, it's not Ted, it's Keely. Obviously that makes more sense. Hey, keely, congratulations. And she says it's just an honor to be nominated, to be so fit and successful, which is sweet of her, considering that I don't know if she had any sort of competition necessarily none that she knows of. She like she doesn't need to tell this room full of people that it's an honor just be not right.

Speaker 2: 34:47

She could be like no man fucking rocks. I, I grew up reading Vanity Fair. I'm sure that she did. I can't wait to be in it. So after they get done, talking about Vanity Fair, ted gives them the biscuits and also mentions that tomorrow is Dr Sharon's next day. We're all chipping in to get her something special. And when Rebecca asks what did you decide on? Ted says an envelope of cash, which I yes. I don't know what to tell you, but that's not a bad answer.

Speaker 1: 35:18

I feel I had the same reaction. By the way, I was like I've never been handed an envelope of cash like that. But yeah, I wouldn't be mad. I wouldn't be mad at all.

Speaker 2: 35:28

I am with the peanuts. Christmas special was always on around the holidays when I was younger, especially because of the line where Sally is asking Charlie Brown to help her write a letter to Santa and she talks about how good she's been, things that she would like, and she says, or keep it simple, just send money, how about tens and twenties? And like, even as a little kid I was like, yeah, what about tens of twenties, like you could?

Speaker 2: 35:54

then I could do it, you could give me the money and then I'll sort it out from there and I'll figure it out if you think about it, it is the way to make sure that somebody gets exactly what they want. Impersonal, yes, but a perfect gift also correct both those things correct he's also says you know she accepted all of our dark secrets. So what else can you get a kind of tough? To top that with a scarf and candle, you know well.

Speaker 1: 36:24

Also, and this is by design they got to know her as someone who could hear their deep, dark secrets.

Speaker 3: 36:33

But they don't necessarily know hers.

Speaker 1: 36:34

They don't know. I mean, he knows, I guess, that she likes bicycles. We already, you know, we already dealt with the bicycle. So, like, other than that, what would they get her? That would say, like I love a set of scarf and a candle because that's like a sort of like default. Well, she's a woman, yep, kind of a gift.

Speaker 2: 36:51

I have definitely made that joke before that for a while the defaults woman gift was candles and then it switched to scarves and then for a little bit it was reusable bags. But those actually became so useful that I don't know if that's sort of I. I have it and not an official rule. But, like, my basic rule with my friends is if I see something that I think you need to have, I will buy it, but don't ever feel the need to like get me a Christmas present for any reason it.

Speaker 2: 37:23

If there is something and you're like oh, she'd love that you absolutely actually need this big metal bird Poo Techie Techie with John Oliver writing on top of it, which is a present that I did get for a friend this past year because she need. Obviously, obviously you need John Oliver writing on a big metal Poo Techie Techie. But if it's not that, don't worry about it. I don't need another candle, I promise. So, yes, no, ted makes a good point about the cash and then Higgins comes in and says that Edwin Ocufo wants to speak with Rebecca and they say, oh, that's fancy, who is Edwin Ocufo? To which he replies that Edwin Ocufo is a billionaire son who just inherited a bunch of money and wants to talk about possibly buying the team.

Speaker 1: 38:14

Ted, of course, is sort of still on his vanity fair article wavelength, and so he. We know that his father, edwin Ocufo's father, was the, the wealthy one, and Ted Ted makes a joke about thinking it was him, and of course the man just died. So that didn't go, that didn't go over great. He apologized for his joke though, in true Ted Vash.

Speaker 2: 38:41

I mean, that is one of those things where, if you don't know that, he's just died, the joke before this was fine and not it. I do think it's a little bit weird. I think we've discussed this a little bit, but when people die and the first thing that everyone else needs to say is don't speak ill of the dead, I think, oh well, that guy did a lot of evil shit.

Speaker 2: 39:09

Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, like there's something yeah when some people die, you're not like oh make sure, you only say nice things, like yeah and so not that it's telling it's very telling.

Speaker 1: 39:21

I mean like when Ruth Bader Ginsburg died, people did not say that when Henry Kissinger did, yeah and like preemptively, as you point out, like you know what I mean, like it was, like I know what you're gonna say and before you get there I mean. So it's like okay, so you know what I'm gonna say. Then you know, but yes, I, yeah, that it's. It's always an awkward conversation for me because I'm like well, another choice is that we could live lives that don't lead people to like beat pans and play music when we fucking leave the earth, like God or at least the right people do, if upon my death yeah white supremacists are incredibly happy.

Speaker 1: 40:10

I will feel great about that that's.

Speaker 2: 40:13

That's exactly what I'm looking for fantastic, great point if, if.

Speaker 2: 40:19

Well, no, I'm trying to think of a notable conservative, but they'll all be dead way before me, fingers crossed either way, I do think that it's. There are sometimes where it's saying something about a dead person in a way that is anything less than completely respectful is suddenly seen as being disrespectful. Ted wasn't actually making a joke at Edwin Ocufo's dad's expense. He made a joke and it concerned a dead person. I don't think you need to apologize, is what I'm saying right, right, right, it was fine.

Speaker 2: 40:52

Yeah, it was fine what she said but he does apologize because he's Ted, so that's fine. And then Higgins says Edwin just inherited 1.2 billion and loves football and I think he wants to buy the club, at which point the reaction is just the way that Keeley does, putting on her lipstick and accidentally sliding it halfway across her cheek because she can't imagine the idea of Rebecca not owning AFC Richmond.

Speaker 1: 41:22

Which is funny how things like that unfold. And we're, you know, move into the coach's office here, but one. She hasn't had it that long. It's not like you can't remember a time where that wasn't so. But I know that feeling when people come together and it's like, oh yeah, there was a time before that. You know what I mean. It becomes so set as like how life is that you're like, oh right, right, right Anyway. But yes, that was the record. Scratch, yes, was on the stick across the street. Yes, exactly.

Speaker 2: 41:56

It was. I was watching a tic-tac the other day, it doesn't matter, but a woman was telling a story about her parents when they were in their early 20s and said and so my dad tells them all right, we're going to meet you at this cafe near the beach at four, because they didn't have cell phones. And like I was alive for that, I made plans, I went places, I had friends and we would go places together without cell phones.

Speaker 1: 42:21

I know I met in big crowded places, met someone and went to Yankee Stadium or whatever.

Speaker 3: 42:29

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 42:30

And now you're like wait what, how? How did that happen ever?

Speaker 2: 42:35

How did you even get that done? How did I get that done?

Speaker 1: 42:38

I was thinking about how.

Speaker 2: 42:39

I had friends who didn't have answering machines and so you would have to call and if they didn't answer you would just have to wait and then call again and later. And what now? I should mention that at this point my actual voicemail for my real cell phone, where I have people call me, is whoever you're trying to call, they didn't answer. It's outrageous that you didn't text them. We now have phones that I get angry if somebody uses it as a phone for me.

Speaker 1: 43:17

Why are you doing that? You're right, You're right. And not only are you right on that front. The number of times I've looked out at my phone and be like, oh my God, are you calling? Like you're calling me, what are you doing?

Speaker 2: 43:33

Why are you Like how is this happening? I have a friend. She lives in another state, so once a week we have a tech state so we could catch up. And one time when I was texting her, I was like should we do this on the phone? Should this be a phone call? And she was like oh, absolutely not. I don't even know why you would suggest that that's a terrible idea. So I don't know. One generation managed to kill both the radio and the phone. Star that's great.

Speaker 1: 44:04

Now you're right, though it is true that it is a rarity. It is truly a rarity that I use my phone as a phone.

Speaker 2: 44:12

Yeah, and it's gotten to the point. There was a joke on the Simpsons years ago where Bart and his best friend Millhouse get walkie talkies and they're like this will be great, if we want to talk, I just have to call you on the phone and tell you to turn on your walkie talkie and then we could talk. But if I need to talk to somebody on the actual phone, I will text them and say hey, are you busy? I'm going to call you, yes, On the device that I'm going to call you. I'm calling to warn you that we're going to be talking.

Speaker 1: 44:47

That is an absolute thing, and I have done it many times, Countless times. I have texted hey, can you chat? That's a different ask. That's a different ask. That's not just can we communicate, that's like, oh, we're doing a thing now. And then FaceTime. Forget about it. If I see a FaceTime pop up, I'm like intruder. It's like what is happening.

Speaker 2: 45:11

I have a friend. God blessed her heart. I accidentally FaceTimed her one time. It wasn't even that I was trying to do something on the phone. I was putting the phone down and it slid and somehow something happened and I FaceTimed her and the bitch answered. I didn't warn her, we do not talk on the phone ever. We were slad friends and she was like do you need to talk to me? And I was like, oh honey, no one. Number one don't ever do that. You never need to answer a FaceTime from me. But number two, you are so nice, you're so nice that you would answer that.

Speaker 1: 45:52

I love that. You're like. Who answers Like now you're like that's your turn to be bothered. Wait a minute. Who answers? A fucking FaceTime man Like what is happening right now I was like Jodi, we weren't even talking.

Speaker 2: 46:04

Today, like out of the blue, I FaceTimed you for the first time in our friendship and you did it. You are a better human being than I am. That's actually great. So we are now in the coach's office. Beard is reading something. I can't get a good picture of what the book is, so I'm going to have to try to look that up later, or maybe we'll make Castleton do some work for once in his goddamn life.

Speaker 1: 46:31

Exactly man. My God, my kid is sick.

Speaker 2: 46:35

Oh, I have to be a good parent. Will comes in and says hi, got the suit. Ted bought you back from the dry cleaners. Now this go ahead.

Speaker 1: 46:49

Sorry, what I was going to say is it's funny when well, he obviously hasn't done anything here. Right Like so I got the suit and Nate's reaction is so far out of whack. And it just so happens, as we record this, I'm dealing and I'm not even directly involved but the two situations in my life where it is clear to me that someone's just having a shitty time and they turned around and decided, why do I feel shitty? And they are just unloading the fucking clip.

Speaker 1: 47:29

Somebody who's just standing there and we are like and again, both times I'm not the person, like it's not like. I'm like, oh how dare you talk to me that way? Like I'm not directly in the line of fire but I'm standing nearby going what the fuck? And that's kind of like whether it's Ted's suit or your suit or William should like. This level of emotion and anger is not in line with that mistake. Yes, yes, he didn't destroy your suit. He just described it factually.

Speaker 2: 48:07

Yes, and also it was just brought up at the funeral but Ted was the one that purchased the suit for him. I like I don't know if it's entirely a mistake I don't think that will is like trying to rub it in his face, but I think will. There is no way that in real life a person in Will's position could have said that without knowing that this would be a sensitive topic for me.

Speaker 1: 48:32

Oh, now, I didn't consider that. So that's interesting. So you think maybe Will is like here you go, here's your suit. You made me go dry clean.

Speaker 2: 48:44

I think I can't get a great read on it because Will says it in such like a Not scared necessarily, but like he is not confident coming into the room like this. Like he's already had some bad interactions with me.

Speaker 2: 49:00

He doesn't know how not to piss him off. I am wondering if he were trying not to pay Piston 8 off. I don't think that he would have mentioned anything about Ted, so I can't tell. If this is a little bit like you're being a dick to me, so I'm going to be mean to you in this little way, a little bit, and they fucking deserves it.

Speaker 1: 49:20

Oh yeah, no, no, I wouldn't blame Will at all, I wouldn't blame him at all. But yeah, I hadn't considered it, but it does. It does hold up, because at this point Nate is so sensitive about everything that you would probably just keep the words to a minimum, and that's certainly more words than you needed to say. Here's your suit by yes Done. Yeah, you're right, yeah, it's interesting.

Speaker 2: 49:45

But it does also for the show. They're going to give Nate a great opportunity to yell and tell him that, yes, ted bought the suit and then transferred ownership and it became my suit. Will it's like OK, well, if it's your suit, you don't need to be that worried about it.

Speaker 1: 50:02

Also who else around here is making anybody do their dry cleaning? Yeah, nate, you used to have that job. I don't recall you dry cleaning, a motherfucker thing Like. There's also a little bit of that built into this and, having worked in Hollywood a little bit, it's not really the work I do primarily now, but the level of like I have power over you and I will make sure everyone experiences that.

Speaker 1: 50:29

I may have told you a story before, but I once had a boss who I was in LA. They were in New York and they called me from their hotel room in New York to have me go get the New York Times and tell them the weather.

Speaker 2: 50:46

Jesus fucking Christ.

Speaker 1: 50:49

Like the weather outside their window, like if they had just gone, like like if they just moved the curtain three, they could have seen. There's the answer to your question. Made me get up, go get the New York Times look up the weather and report it back to them. That's a real thing, that really happened in real life.

Speaker 2: 51:08

I have to ask where were they staying in New York? Was this their apartment? Their place? A hotel?

Speaker 1: 51:14

It was a hotel. At this juncture I don't know if it's, but yeah, it was in a hotel, so yes also.

Speaker 2: 51:20

Also, they could have called the front desk.

Speaker 1: 51:23

Also yeah, like it was just I am powerful, you are weak. Go fuck yourself, jump down, turn around, right. It was like what is?

Speaker 2: 51:34

happening and I know that newspapers used to have much larger circulations in. The New York Times would not be a difficult newspaper to track down, but you were still in LA.

Speaker 1: 51:44

Yeah, no, it was completely like, it was a completely insane request, like in real time, like some of these things. Later you're like wait, why did I have to dry clean the suit? But like in real time, I got up from my desk like this fucking guy, like really, I just remember this being like really. Yeah, like you know, like you tell this story. Like I came home and I told Daphne the story and I was like I got one for you. Can you believe this story? Yeah, so, yeah, so, anyway. But with Nate it's like he's really loving being somebody's boss in a way that's not healthy.

Speaker 2: 52:24

A way that isn't healthy and also there is such a disproportionate effort versus wanting to make an impact in that he still only owns the one suit that Ted bought for him. He has the money at this point, as an assistant coach, to buy a second suit if he wants it. If you care so much about being in a suit that you need that suit dry clean the day after a funeral and you need the kit man to go do that, buy a second fucking suit, buy a dark one so that you could wear it to a funeral.

Speaker 1: 52:59

Also, by the way, how often do you wear suits?

Speaker 3: 53:03

Very often.

Speaker 1: 53:05

So would it like what was the emergency?

Speaker 2: 53:08

Yeah, yeah. Since I just talked about how impressed I was when the boyfriend bought a Toyota Corolla. I should also say that in July of last year we had to go to a funeral, and so I had his suit dry cleaned. I want to say shortly after that I dropped out, I got it cleaned and I was like I'm not fucking doing this time. Next time that there's a funeral, I'm not going to have to get it cleaned the week of I'm going to get it cleaned, yeah.

Speaker 2: 53:42

I was like I'm going to get this cleaned and you're going to pick it up and then it will be in your closet and it will be ready to go the next time that somebody's dad or whoever passes away, whatever it is. And in November, when he needed that suit to go out to dinner, I said where's the suit? Why, how come it's not in your closet because we need to go out to dinner? Where is it? He was like oh, I don't think I ever got that from the dry cleaner.

Speaker 1: 54:07

Yeah, I was over here cringing. I was, like you, never picked up the suit, did you man?

Speaker 2: 54:14

Never fucking picked up the suit. Never picked up the suit. And so when I went to pick up my clothes to go out to dinner I was like, hey, just to check, is there a suit back there by any chance? And they're like, oh yeah, we got this fucking suit. So dry cleaning is, as far as I could tell, a scam. I don't understand it. I don't think it should be a thing. I think everybody this will be my one I can't have him here to say this after our shoe talk, but nobody should have to wear a clothes. Any clothes that need to be dry cleaned, we should be able to do away with it. It's nonsense at this point.

Speaker 1: 54:51

I agree with it, and we'll take it one step further, which is there was a point at which there was this dry L movement that seemed to happen in stores. I was seeing this thing and it was great because you get the bag and the little drops and you put it and it really did.

Speaker 1: 55:07

I used it multiple times. I was like this is fucking awesome, like great. And then it felt like it disappeared, like yes, I can't prove it, but I'm like somewhere big dry cleaning was like. We got to have a talk with you. Like I was like wait, why did this go away? This was a great fucking solution. And then it was gone and I'm still sort of like, yeah, why did that go away? It was a great.

Speaker 1: 55:32

I remember, like because I use it when I was traveling, at one point and I was like oh this is great, like I don't have to take five shirts because I can just take, you know, two dress shirts and I just rotate them through and throw them in the dryer and blah, blah, blah. And now I can't remember the last time I saw anything like that in a store. So I'm like really what happened there? I'm like I don't have a actual viable solution as opposed to a lot of this year round.

Speaker 2: 55:56

Yeah, I don't watch Shark Tank, but a podcast I listen to does watch Shark Tank and they like to talk about it a lot and I feel like this is the kind of thing that you bring to Shark Tank and you're like they already did it and people liked it, so we're just going to do it again. It's nothing new, I just need a lot of money.

Speaker 1: 56:15

Right, right, I don't know We'll see.

Speaker 2: 56:19

I need to start watching Shark Tank in order to know that After Nate yells at him, will says right and then leaves. We don't get a reaction shot from Beard, which I thought was not an issue, but I would have been good information to have.

Speaker 1: 56:38

Right Given right Go ahead, grace Yep.

Speaker 2: 56:42

Because we've already had Beard give Nate the talk about what he did with how he was weird that's right, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right. So this feels like it should have been one of those things where Beard was either like okay, the Colin talked in work, we need to come back at it again, or I need to tell Ted about this, like if we're going to see Beard and then Nate immediately, we kind of needed that follow up of why wasn't Beard more involved.

Speaker 1: 57:09

Yeah, and it is interesting because theoretically we've solved it, right. Yes, we had a conversation. You apologize to Colin, right, like so we should be better now. But we're apparently not better now. So, like, not just you're busted, but kind of like, what is the actual problem? Why are you not getting this? Because no one else at Richmond talks to each other like this at this point, right, anyone, no one Like he is alone in this.

Speaker 2: 57:39

Yeah, and I couldn't tell if this was a weird actual shot. That Beard was actually in his office and not witnessing this and this was in Nate's office and so he didn't see it. That could be it, in which case I don't understand why they showed us Beard reading and then showed us Nate, like that just seems.

Speaker 1: 58:00

Right, it does seem they went out of their way to establish that he's around.

Speaker 2: 58:04

Yeah, yes, good point. It gave me pause and a few questions, we'll see Especially because right after that Roy bursts into the room and says oh, are my eyebrows crazy? Which is definitely a thing that you would think Roy would be concerned about, right?

Speaker 1: 58:29

Also. I'm feeling like it's also very. It is actually the approach. The approach to it is very Roy, though Like that level of intensity.

Speaker 3: 58:41

I would not answer him either.

Speaker 1: 58:44

You seem very riled up about it, so I don't want to give the wrong answer here. It's, you know it's a lie.

Speaker 2: 58:49

Yes, Also, it seems very weird that Roy would be concerned about his physical appearance. That is not a thing. He doesn't seem to be concerned about that. I should also mention that at this point Nate looks over at Beard and Beard slowly shakes his head. No, so Beard obviously was involved in the conversation with Will and didn't do anything.

Speaker 2: 59:16

He's an air shot. He knows what's going on and he didn't. So I will have some thoughts later on about what responsibility the coaches had to Nate in terms of what happened within the season, but I think that this is a misstep in the show's part for showing us that Beard was aware of issues that Nate was having. He attempted to address them that didn't work, and then there wasn't another follow up. I don't think that Nate is in the right in any of this, but I do think that he was owed a little bit more than he got.

Speaker 1: 59:55

So you pointed to different places where he should have been checked and so on.

Speaker 1: 1:00:00

I think too, in the spirit of the show, I think Let me back up, because I had four thoughts at the same time I shared with you before we were recording that I'm around several things right now of problems between people, oh, and I just said, because of the information, anyway, what he doesn't do, what Beard doesn't do either time now is put, it seems, much thought or energy into why is Nate acting like that?

Speaker 1: 1:00:40

And I get that it's not any of our job to like do anybody else's therapy or anyone else's work. But when someone behaves bizarrely or out of I shouldn't even say bizarrely when someone behaves out of character, out of step with like what you would expect from them in a certain situation, I know that often my reaction is like well, fuck, so and so. When, like, what's going on with so and so is a pretty like it's also a brand of curious, not judgmental right Like hey, how is it that the guy we all fell in love with and had to like basically kick out of the nest to get to give the speech has become this?

Speaker 3: 1:01:23

year yes.

Speaker 1: 1:01:25

What's going on here. Yes, you know what I mean. Yeah, I think we'd be. It's not always easy, but when we can, I think we'd be well served to do a little more of that.

Speaker 2: 1:01:36

Yeah, I actually one of my close friends for her birthday. Every year she invites people to her family's cabin up on a lake and we just spend the weekend at the beach hanging out probably drinking too much, but fuck else are you going to do at a beach and the last as one does, eating really good food. As when we were there last time the conversation came up I can't remember what it was exactly, but basically that somebody's friend was behaving wildly out of character, like being really mean and vicious and like rude in a way that was very surprising, and what the friend did was immediately say, oh my God, what's going on? Like what's wrong, like immediately knew not to go to being offended or mad or whatever else.

Speaker 2: 1:02:32

She was like Holy shit, what is happening that you're acting like this because you don't yell at me? You've never yelled at me in our entire friendship, so what's happening? And I feel like that was the group was all kind of like yeah well, if your friend out of nowhere else starts yelling at you, like the response is what's happening? What's going on? What's hurting you that you're yelling at me because you don't yell?

Speaker 1: 1:02:54

And you have to have a certain one who's in that position and does what you're friend, which is impressive. You have to have a certain I don't even want to say maturity, because I feel like I'm like, I feel like I'm somehow casting some aspersion on anybody who doesn't do that, but there's a certain steadiness on your feet because that's a phrase yes, yeah, no no, no that you have to have you know what I mean, to be able to, like, weather that storm from someone and not have it become what the fuck what I mean, because my instinct often is like, well, fuck you.

Speaker 1: 1:03:31

And even as I'm sitting here saying you are 100% correct, I know how often my reactive been well, fuck you.

Speaker 2: 1:03:38

Oh, absolutely. My immediate reaction would also be fuck you, it's just that. Then I would think, oh, wait, better Right.

Speaker 1: 1:03:45

Back then and then later it's like wow.

Speaker 2: 1:03:47

All right, no, but definitely the fact that Ted doesn't seem to be at all aware of what's happening with Nate. We've got no indication that Ted is on the same page whatsoever. Beard has an idea and has discussed it with him, but also isn't doing that deeper level making sure that we understand, telling Nate that he should be acting differently, not doing any follow up when Nate doesn't act any differently and then not questioning why it is that Nate is acting the way that he does.

Speaker 1: 1:04:16

Yeah, and on some level I mean we can. We know some things about Nate and Nate's life and what's going on, but like if you've felt not special and ignored to the point where you couldn't even process when Ted asked your name you couldn't even process it. He actually did mean to know your name. Going from that to Nate the Great to well, I'm in pain and no one seems to be noticing probably is its own rough experience. It doesn't excuse any behavior because it doesn't make it okay that you made Will take your suit in and yelled at him about it, but I get how you got there.

Speaker 2: 1:05:01

Yeah, man, I promise I'm going to stop talking about Fast Car Soon, but everybody can listen to the song. It's really good. But it is about a young woman in what I imagine to be like a suburb or something. One of the lines is we just need to cross the border and then to the city, we'll both get jobs. It's about her sort of dreaming about her and her partner moving away from the small town. They're in, moving to the city and their life gets better. And they move to the city and they can't find jobs and they're living in a shelter and they daydream about moving to the suburbs and buying a nice house. And then they move to the suburbs and they have a house and her partner is at the bar drinking more than he's seeing their kids, which mimics her dad, who she was trying to run away from in the beginning of the song Again, heartbreaking and beautiful, but also it's the daydreaming about things getting better was almost better than things getting better, because then she would reach the next thing and she'd be like, oh, this fucking sucks.

Speaker 2: 1:06:03

So I understand where Nate's coming from with that. If I got to the point where I was in charge, then things would be better. And then he becomes in charge and it's like now this is still kind of shit and it's not getting him to where he wants to be.

Speaker 1: 1:06:17

What you just described is at the core of the work. I do like our whole philosophy with the line, really, because I talk about the point being a combination of what do you want and why do you want it and the why being the experience you expect to have. So, nate expected, if I had an office and if I were a coach and I had my own whistle and people were listening to me, I would feel let's just call it whole, yes, and now he's got all that shit and he doesn't feel whole. And I point out to people and I use different stars depending on the audience and try to make it someone they connect to, but we all know this story. Like imagine, I wrote a piece when Whitney Houston died and one of the things I said was like you know, everybody talks about the drugs and the cigarettes and whatever, and who knows, I'm sure a vast amount of the reporting has some truth to it.

Speaker 1: 1:07:12

And fine, I said, but imagine being Whitney Houston with that voice and smoking cigarettes, like that's. And I remember specifically writing that's like leaving the red violin out in the rain, like that's really unbelievable. How unhappy was she? Yeah, yes. How fucking unhappy was this woman? Yeah, that you know what I mean. And so there's that empty victory. I feel like that's way worse than never getting it. Like if, like what you're describing in Fast Car, if you never get to move to the city, at least there's the comfort of the dream of the city, you know. But if you get to the city and you still feel away, that is torture.

Speaker 2: 1:07:58

Yeah, yeah, it's. I understand how much it sucks to feel like you don't get a shot. I'm not saying one is worse. I don't want to do a comparison. I'm just saying there is something about like how repeatedly disappointing it is to be disappointed by something.

Speaker 3: 1:08:19

Yes.

Speaker 1: 1:08:20

To get the experience and then it still isn't that.

Speaker 2: 1:08:22

That's still not what you want. Like this is not the same. But Emma Stone has talked a lot about having anxiety and being like having trouble when she isn't like going to red carpet. If it's Pavarazzi especially when she was dating Andrew Garfield she's like that. That I am an anxious person. Like this is bad for me and I think like even when people have done the things that society says are the best, like you are an Oscar winning actress and you make millions of dollars and are gorgeous and seem like everything should be perfect, and you have anxiety, like there are going to be things that you can't escape. And I think for somebody like Nate, when he thinks, once I'm in charge, I'm not going to have anxiety anymore, isn't dealing with the fact that he's going to be anxious and in charge and that's not going to fix it.

Speaker 1: 1:09:12

And that's not going to fix it, and I mean this takes us away from Ted Lasso, which is, I mean, we never do that. But I hate to be the first one to take us off track here, but I've recently, I would say over the last couple of years yeah, it's been a couple of years and it's been a process and has paralleled this podcast in some interesting ways. But that feeling like trying to get rid of it, it really is. It reminds me, for the nerds in the audience, of Lady and Beth, without damn spot, like it's just like ah, what else do I have to do? What else?

Speaker 1: 1:10:10

One of the things I've worked on is like I experienced the world as like a skinny kid, even as I grew older, even as I would ever, and so there were situations that I now look back on where my reaction was in part fueled by oh, you think you're going to bully me. And in retrospect, and also in what people have like reported back to me, in certain situations, like Orlando, no one looks at you and thinks, oh, there's a guy we'll all bully. What are you fucking talking about?

Speaker 3: 1:10:42

But it really is my experience.

Speaker 1: 1:10:43

you know what I mean. Like I wasn't bullshitting when I was saying it. It's not where I am now and it's not like I got any stronger. It's like I worked on like, well, what's that about? And you have to deal with it. And I think in shows often, and I will say, in terms of my reaction to Nate and some of the choices that he makes, you know, with this, with Will and whatever, it's like I know it's true and I guess what I'm on right now is my, my reluctance, I guess, is a word in some moments to just like live with that, like to not be, like well, get your shit together, nate.

Speaker 3: 1:11:24

It's like he can't get his shit together.

Speaker 1: 1:11:26

He's going to yell at a waitress. Later he is going to yell right Like all the things that we're all like, don't do it. Like he is going to do them, because he's got that going on in him and he can't fucking make it go away. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:11:43

And no, that actually I love that. You said that it is not unfamiliar to me whatsoever. Mine is sort of I can't tell what combination of being a woman and also being poor when we were little and a few other things where, like sometimes, when I think that, god, I feel like such an asshole saying this now it's not like that. I'm like oh, are you disrespecting me? Are you, do you think you're better than me? But there's a little part where I'm like are you, are you thinking? Are you thinking you're?

Speaker 1: 1:12:16

better than me, that's a thing.

Speaker 2: 1:12:17

It's a thing, it's a fucking thing. I it last October. My furnace here wasn't working and I contacted the super.

Speaker 3: 1:12:31

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:12:31

So I contacted the super. I was like my fucking furnace isn't working. He was like I'll have somebody over tomorrow. Nobody showed up. He didn't call, he didn't reschedule. I texted him again. I was like, hey, what are we doing about the furnace? And he was like oh right, I will have somebody over tomorrow. You're going to show up again.

Speaker 2: 1:12:49

And at this point I started losing my fucking mind and like I was right in the fact that it was October in Chicago and legally and ethically, they were required to fix my heat. So I was not freezing in my apartment. But there was also a part that I was like you fucking think you get to treat me like this. That had nothing to do with it, had nothing to do with it. This was not personal, he was being an asshole and he should have fixed it. And like he was 100% in the wrong. But that wasn't about me, wasn't about me at all. So I had to be a bitch because apparently being respectful to him was not getting shit done. So I got shit done, but it was afterwards and I was like, oh, he wasn't trying to be mean to you, like he wasn't thinking oh, emily, she's a pushover.

Speaker 3: 1:13:36

She'll fucking. Let me get away with this.

Speaker 2: 1:13:38

This was just that he had too much shit going on and wasn't good at returning. He fucked up. He absolutely fucked up.

Speaker 1: 1:13:45

He was not in the right, right, but there's two separate things going on. Two separate things he fucked up and you say and you were experiencing it as oh, you think you can treat me this way.

Speaker 3: 1:13:55

Yes, yes, I absolutely did.

Speaker 1: 1:13:59

And one place where I've like actively practiced what you're saying is on the road, because there's no place where it makes less sense to take things personally, where I have taken things so fucking personal. Like I'm like first of all, like I'll be, like oh, they're not letting me in. Like so now, not only have each of you decided I'm an asshole, you've now, like mind melded through five fucking cars that'll never be in this sequence again and made a collective decision not to let me in.

Speaker 1: 1:14:31

And I'm really and it sounds as I say it right now I'm like that sounds insane, but when I promise you I've had that experience of like they're not letting me in.

Speaker 1: 1:14:43

Oh yeah, yeah, it's a real, you know. So, yeah, like, being able to separate those is important. And just because something happened to you personally I just said, this is somebody like less than 24 hours ago just because something happened to you doesn't mean it's personal, even if it affects you personally, and that is so nuanced and hard to do when, by the way, your feelings are hurt or you are the one who's sitting in the cold, like I can sit over here and pontificate, but I wasn't cold last time.

Speaker 2: 1:15:16

Yes, fucking that. Exactly, exactly that it's hard to not take it personally when it is personally impacting you. And also exactly what you said, like did those five drivers have a CV radio? Where they were like, okay, fucking, orlando is coming down, do not, let. No, obviously not. But also there is something where you're like, can you be a human being for one second and realize that my car needs to go someplace? Like, what do you want me to do with it?

Speaker 1: 1:15:46

You guys clearly CV come on Right. But yeah, so it can be that.

Speaker 2: 1:15:50

But also I guarantee at least if it is anybody with a similar experience to me driving in Chicago it is that some asshole down the road didn't let you in, so you're not going to let the next person in. It's not, it's not exactly that they are making a personal, but it's they didn't let me and I'm not going to let you in.

Speaker 1: 1:16:11

And this is super touchy feely and I recognize that, but I actually. It's funny you landed there because I have consciously been letting people in like for, I'd say, about six months. I've just been like consciously, like I am choosing it, like when I can, if I'm not going to like call an accent, but like when it's like obvious, you're trying to merge. I have like consciously been like I'm going to, I'm going to, I am going to be a part of creating the other kind of energy.

Speaker 3: 1:16:38

And I hope that that's what.

Speaker 1: 1:16:40

I'm going to carry over into other parts of my life. Really, like in the other parts of my life where you just go like how do I just change the momentum Because I think you're right and I think what you just described there happens in a frightening number of places in our lives. I mean the people who say things like why should we have student loan forgiveness? I paid my loans. I'm like guys, guys, like really, really our whole reason for putting a generation of students through torture is I too was tortured, like can we not?

Speaker 2: 1:17:15

do that, yeah, and we can't get into the whole like rapidly inflating cost of higher education or job prospects without a college degree. Can't even get into all that right now.

Speaker 2: 1:17:27

Like just the way that the economics on that are so wildly fucked that I'm not sure what we're going to do in the next generation Outside of that. Yes, that's sort of like I had to deal with it. I do think that when difficult or painful things happen to people, the reaction is either I lived with it, so so should you, or I lived with it, so let's not let this happen again.

Speaker 1: 1:17:50

Exactly and either, by the way, can be taken to an unhealthy place.

Speaker 2: 1:17:55

Oh, yes, I am so glad that you said that, oh yeah, let's not make this good and bad. No, no, no, no, no, no, because there are definitely sometimes where it's like if you try to shield people, especially kids too, much from the realities of the world. Then you end up with I fucking didn't want to talk about rapists today, but you end up with Goddamn Brock Turner, where you're like, oh no, he's real good at swimming. He can't be in trouble for the shit that he did.

Speaker 1: 1:18:24

So yes, it's, I'm obviously laughing at the like. The absurdity, yeah, no, the evil absurdity, not that it's funny but like, just like you go. Well, what the fuck? Yeah. So at any rate, yes, nate is out here just.

Speaker 2: 1:18:38

Oh right, this is about to last a moment.

Speaker 1: 1:18:39

So Right, right, right and here comes. I got a photo shoot with Keely tonight and the photo shoot coordinated told me my eyebrows are crazy.

Speaker 2: 1:18:53

And of course then Nate wants to know. Jesus, are my eyebrows crazy?

Speaker 1: 1:18:58

And now everybody he didn't know to worry about, but now he's got some. He's got that to worry about too.

Speaker 2: 1:19:03

Oh my God, I at a different point, we'll rail more against the beauty industrial complex. But I was thinking the other day about there was a period in my life where I didn't think about my eyebrows ever, never once considered them. And then I turned 20 something and everybody was waxing their eyebrows and they needed to be pencil thin in this level. And now they need to be big and I don't know how to grow eyebrows more than I am. So like if every few years you just get to decide that eyebrows are gonna, like, go the same way as skinny jeans and flares like Right, right right.

Speaker 2: 1:19:46

I'm gonna have to jump off at some point and just stick with whatever is popular at the time, because I can't keep fucking doing this.

Speaker 1: 1:19:52

Listen, I hear you and I I'm very curious because I know people it's fun to make fun of. And then I know the eyelash thing got completely like whoa, like this is a lot y'all, but I'd love I'm not sure if someone out there is studying it or will I'd love to figure out what that need is in us, Like what's being served by. I was watching, I think, an equivalent thing, not the same thing, but an equivalent thing. I saw a basketball commentator whatever sideline type person. He goes to interview Chris Paul, who's at this game for a reason, and Chris Paul, like essentially makes fun of the guy's pocket square, and it's that this in 2024, we're rearing it just folded simply and square to your pocket and in, and the guy had like kind of like it toughed it up and I thought, well, I get it, fashion is fashion.

Speaker 1: 1:20:55

And then I Googled it, because I'm also part of society and I'm not pretending because I noticed these things so I was like oh my, I had a panic panic is not too big a word. Moment of oh my God, have I been wearing my pocket square wrong.

Speaker 3: 1:21:12

And I thought wow.

Speaker 1: 1:21:15

Like that's a real thing I am actively worrying about, to the point where I'm now going to take time in my life to research and I'm like this is, this is bonkers y'all Like I'm not saying that someone shows up to your dinner party and an adult diaper and we're not all like hey, what's going on?

Speaker 2: 1:21:36

Yes.

Speaker 1: 1:21:37

But your pocket square is wrong, or like your eyebrows are wrong, like I don't know somehow. What is it? What are we doing there? And I'm really asking the question what is that that we're doing? It's odd.

Speaker 2: 1:21:52

It's extremely odd. I think I will always go back to not necessarily fashion, but because fashion is part of the larger you know again beauty industrial complex. If somebody could convince you that there's something wrong with you, they could sell you something to fix it.

Speaker 1: 1:22:11

That's right. So it's always that it's always that.

Speaker 2: 1:22:14

Whatever your skin is like. If you're a woman, whatever your skin is like, it should be smoother, softer and have less hair Almost entirely, except, of course, for the thick eyebrows. Now, those are big Right and leading to the point where I'm contemplating getting rogaine specifically for my eyebrows, just to see. Just to see If I could move the hair from my upper lip and chin to my eyebrows, I would just set but I can't figure out how to do that.

Speaker 2: 1:22:44

So that's fine. I have both facial waxing and hair growth on the same area. It's fine. But I also think that a big, a big component of fashion is just gatekeeping. Like 90% of table manners, is what rich people used to do, because they had 15 servants at each dinner, and so you need to know that you use the little fork first and then move it 100%. That's not about being rude. That's not about like you burped and farted at the table and we consider that to be rude here. That's just. If you don't know this, we know that you're an outsider and you could judge you for that.

Speaker 2: 1:23:26

So if you're not doing your pocket square the right way, you don't have the time, money, effort to put into learning that. That's how we do it the right way, exactly.

Speaker 1: 1:23:36

And there is, too something around. I like that you brought class into it because, also, you have the freedom, power, whatever resources to give a shit. Yep, because I promise you, no one who's starving the death gives a fuck about which fork. They'll eat it with their hands, right, but somehow we get to it. So, yeah, there is a class component to that too. I've got time. Yeah, someone said that to me about nails. I thought it was interesting, like when people wear really long nails, that it's a signal, right, like I don't do labor.

Speaker 2: 1:24:23

Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1: 1:24:23

Mm-hmm, oh wow, yeah, like I'd never considered that before. Like, of course, because if you're fucking carpenter- Then you can't have those nails. Right.

Speaker 2: 1:24:35

Yeah, oh yeah, it's definitely a class issue. I think also the part that bothers me so much is fashion can be very fun. Like picking the clothes that you want to wear can be a great form of self-expression and you could go outside of what is expected and do something really cool and fun. One of my roommates in college used to wear pants underneath her dresses, which at the time not a lot of people were doing, and I was like, oh, that looks cool, that's fun. And then somehow it became a staple of the red carpet and it was no longer fun. But that is usually the way that things go, like usually it is especially younger people doing shit that they don't have a shit ton of money, so they will go thrifting and find something cool or make something or buy something cheap and turn it into something extremely cool and fun, and then the rest of us are like, oh, we're going to steal that and that's how it is now.

Speaker 1: 1:25:31

Yep.

Speaker 2: 1:25:32

Absolutely.

Speaker 1: 1:25:33

Yeah, that is also fascinating, and I don't know what we do with that, but there's a feedback loop into it. That is not. Yeah, that is exactly what you described, and I remember being told that about the fashion world, about fashion designers actively going into Harlem specifically, yes, and just watching what kids were doing, and then taking that and making it quote fashion.

Speaker 1: 1:26:00

And there's something I mean. Yes, it can be exploitative. I'm not going to dismiss any of that stuff, but there is something fascinating about we're going to somehow manage to take something from the people we put down when we do it. It's going to be awesome, but we will continue to make fun of them for doing it. It's like oh yes, how do we get there, Like, how do we pull that off? Like that's pretty impressive mental gymnastics.

Speaker 2: 1:26:31

Hi, I'm going to say that sometimes, like I think a lot about how Madonna was actually very much in the voguing scene when she came up with Vogue. Like those are people that she knew and she hired people she knew to be dancers in the video and then with her on tour. Sometimes it is about bringing attention to advertising, like saying, hey, this is cool and fun and everybody should be doing it. And then sometimes you got fucking Ben Shapiro, who talks shit mainly about Black people all the fucking time and about how terrible certain segments of the population are Doing a rap about how great he is. I'm like bitch, bitch number one. Are you serious? I'm fucking serious. This is a thing that he did recently. Wow, like you're going to shit on Black culture and you're going to shit all over everything that you now think that you can do, and when you do it, you think it's OK.

Speaker 1: 1:27:31

Number one.

Speaker 2: 1:27:31

You think what you're doing is rap. That's fucking garbage. What you're doing is not rap. What?

Speaker 3: 1:27:37

you're doing is, so let's start there so let's start with that.

Speaker 2: 1:27:39

What you're doing is slightly less good than Bob Dylan in fucking. I'm not remembering the song right now, but I'm looking up like sort of fast-paced rhyming is what you're doing.

Speaker 1: 1:27:51

I can't remember this, but go ahead yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:27:55

The shit you're doing is not rap, it is not talented. You are saying nonsense and also you're doing the thing that you were shitting on other people for doing, because it's not that you dislike the thing, it's that you're trying to keep them down and when you do it it's fine.

Speaker 1: 1:28:09

So then they want to do an at-home life with a footballer? She also told me I got to wear all black so that Keely pops.

Speaker 2: 1:28:18

Where is he ever going to find an all-black outfit?

Speaker 1: 1:28:21

I know I'm like did they make you wear all black? Really? But yeah, it's interesting, that whole idea, though, that this is about her. You are very accustomed to being. They say in all relationships there's the flower in the gardener, like he's in most of his life the flower, although he would never think of himself in those terms. But they are saying oh no, no, no, You're the gardener in this, and so he's processing that a little bit.

Speaker 3: 1:28:50

I'm not familiar with that. In all relationships there's the flower and the gardener.

Speaker 1: 1:28:53

I forgot we heard it first, so I apologize for not attributing it, but yes, the idea being that in relationships there tends to be someone who's the caregiver I shouldn't say the caregiver, because I think that takes us in the labor stuff that I'm not trying to be in but emotionally, that one person is usually the flower of the two, the one who's sort of being nurtured to grow and be not pretty literally, but yeah, sorry guys.

Speaker 2: 1:29:26

No, no, no. I was going to say I've heard a similar thing before and I don't think that it is necessarily.

Speaker 2: 1:29:30

This is the way one person is the whole time and this is the way the other person is the whole time, but more so that in a relationship you have to kind of take turns, where one person is going to be the nurturer and one person is going to be, not a performer but kind of a performer. One person is trying to accomplish something and the other person is being supportive, and it should be roughly half and half. There shouldn't be one person that's always taking care of the other person's shit.

Speaker 2: 1:29:57

But, that relationships, even outside of romantic relationship, friendships and those types of things are what you give so the other person can do, and then the other person gives so you can do, you can do yeah. Thank you Also, before Kathy comes through my microphone and chokes the life out of me, the song I was thinking of was Subtraining Homesick Blues, which, if I had not gotten right as a lifelong Bob Dylan fan, she would have killed me the next time that she saw me.

Speaker 1: 1:30:26

That's it, there you go Good.

Speaker 3: 1:30:30

OK, so what I do when I'm at home with the footballer shoot, but they won't even use it. Roy says and that's probably you know. He's been enough of these things to know a lot of stuff ends up in the cutting room floor as soon as he, while he's unloading his items from his bag into his office, we see that Nate and Beard are both kind of messing with their own eyebrows. I don't think touching your own eyebrows really gives you a sense of if your eyebrows are whack or not. But you know what I mean. I think I don't know they would have to be really bushy for you to get a sense from your fingertips. I'm doing it right here. Everybody in the listening audience please touch your. I like the thought of thousands of people just rubbing their eyebrows for no reason no damn good reason. But yeah, I think you'd have to be really. If they're that bushy to the touch, you would probably have a sense of it.

Speaker 1: 1:31:33

I think too, though. Go ahead, coach, because we kind of touched on this, but, like I'm sure neither of them has spent one second, certainly today and maybe any day until that was said, thinking about whether or not they had crazy eyebrow. Like, I don't think much about my eyebrow, I can't, you know, it's just not a thing.

Speaker 3: 1:31:54

I never did until my college age daughter told me that one of the things she resents me for is that she has my eyebrows.

Speaker 1: 1:32:02

And I was like wait what I was like what are you talking about?

Speaker 3: 1:32:05

She's like yeah, I have your Walter Cronkite eyebrow. I'm like, what are you talking about? Like? She's like, I'm a woman, I don't need full on, like you know, whatever Caterpillar eyebrow, anyway, it doesn't matter. So not that I have notable eyebrows in any way. But to her who has taken the time to look at her eyebrows, she's like thank you, thanks for nothing. Ok, so yeah, she's going to tell me I wear black as Achilles pops and to which Nate says you're always wearing black. And what does Roy say here? Boss Says charcoal Heather. Yeah, yeah, he's like how do you know?

Speaker 2: 1:32:47

This is not black.

Speaker 3: 1:32:48

This isn't black yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:32:51

Dark Heather charcoal. Sorry, I should have specified it, you're Neanderthals, america.

Speaker 1: 1:32:56

Everybody knows that.

Speaker 2: 1:32:58

That is not. That is not purple, that is lilac. Move is another thing I've heard. I'm not great with colors.

Speaker 1: 1:33:06

Like it's not at all.

Speaker 2: 1:33:08

It's greenish, it's fine.

Speaker 1: 1:33:11

Right.

Speaker 3: 1:33:13

Yeah, yeah, OK, so dark Heather charcoal and in lock's head. And you know, I don't know if you guys got into the. Oh damn it. I missed, I think, one of my favorite lines of the episode. Where was it? Where he did? I miss the part where he screamed like that he was going to be in Vanity Fair.

Speaker 1: 1:33:36

Yes, yes, we do that.

Speaker 3: 1:33:38

And did you like it or not like it?

Speaker 2: 1:33:40

I said it was I feel like it was like quintessential. Oh, I thought it was goofier than that.

Speaker 3: 1:33:44

Oh goofier, oh no, I loved it Like you got a call from God, like it was. I was like, oh yes, this is like really nerdy, super, super dorky, but like committed to the bit Ted right, which I, which I really love and I has a lot of energy with which, you know, the longer we were around Ted, the more other things ebb and flow into his character. So it's like kind of you know yeah it takes the shine off some of these jokes.

Speaker 1: 1:34:14

I think yeah we I mean we certainly noted it and noticed it, when we landed on it or I not landed. I mean we talked about it, but that he, he's so aware of it and Rebecca is very much plays a bit of mom with Keely, so it felt very like super dad joke-ish, like both in the type of joke it was or is, but also in terms of like his delivering it that way as Rebecca is trying to tell him.

Speaker 1: 1:34:48

So, yeah, so that's it For me. There are moments where Ted makes jokes kind of like that, where I don't know whether to read it, as he really did jump to a wrong thing or he is doing a bit. That was clearly a bit. That was a bit, that's 100%, I mean but I think there are other jokes.

Speaker 1: 1:35:09

Like I, I don't know. When he said you talk to God, part of me still like I'm like that has to be a joke. But was it a joke? Like it is brave, take him to that. And then he had to be brought back. But this is clearly. There's no question.

Speaker 3: 1:35:29

Yeah, well, he just committed to the bit and he's on a in the opening of this episode. He is, he's like moving at bullet train speed with his comedy and with this like. So when he walks in on the charcoal, heather bam, he's in through the door. Oh, I love hearing fellows debate fashion. Who's winning? Like, like, right away, it's not like he just makes a comment, he's also asked them a question, right? So you know what I mean. Like he's, you know he's. He's like sort of moving it at break next speed. And to match him, all of a sudden Nate gets up and says hey, ted, I got a, I got a new tactic I want to show you like, grabs his clipboard, can I run a new tactic by you? Nate says, right before even Ted has a chance to set up his desk and and so sort of matching that frenetic pace.

Speaker 3: 1:36:23

And this is, this is interesting. Ted does like, it's not sure. And it's not like some rhyming couplet that may have been. We got a lot of them this season, you know, like or like. I'm trying to think about the laziest version of a Ted lasso. Oh, you missed it. It's like.

Speaker 2: 1:36:44

Big Bong, you ding donks. When he came into Rebecca's office, the doorbell.

Speaker 3: 1:36:48

That's, that is yeah, that one, that one's right. Ok, even for an apology Elements.

Speaker 1: 1:36:54

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Well that's the thing.

Speaker 3: 1:36:57

So it's like like, yeah, I guess all the years. Right, it would be something I'm all the years or you have my attention. So it would be something like well, I'm like a guard of the two to the unknown soldier because you got my attention, you know like there's, there's that like you, you go backwards through the right from the right to the thing, which is like the like when you know when the when the staff is writing these jokes, they're going.

Speaker 3: 1:37:28

they're like OK, I need a Ted thing here. How does he do you know? It's like really sort of obvious, you can run, run it, walk it, cartwheel it. To me I don't care. That's a little bit of a different sort of element to it. Call me Dumbo, because I'm all ears.

Speaker 1: 1:37:43

You know, I think it's worth noting and actually, Coach, you put me on to something we I think it's it makes more sense to discuss it later in the episode he is as I'm sorry, it makes more sense for us to discuss it later in the episode.

Speaker 3: 1:38:01

just hold that thought, yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:38:02

But let me-.

Speaker 3: 1:38:03

No, no, no, we can know sorry, Sorry, sorry.

Speaker 1: 1:38:05

To plant the seed. He is as quintessentially Ted Lasso the character. We've learned more and more about the man, right, but everybody gets to see the character. He is more Ted Lasso the character in show terms than we've seen him be in a long time and I think that's dramatically significant in a way that I hadn't processed before that, so we'll dig into it more. But he is super Ted Lasso. He ding dong. You're Bing Bongs, call me dumb, I'm all there, you can cartwheel it, run it Like there's a lot of that, like rapid fire coming out of him right now yes, and why is that?

Speaker 1: 1:38:44

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:38:45

What happened last episode, to clear his mental His cash, so that he can go back to Right. Clear his cash, that's exactly right. His emotional cash was bumping into his shtick.

Speaker 2: 1:38:56

So I think it's really interesting that you guys are picking up on. He seems relieved, like literally relieved of whatever it was that had been bothering him. Elated by that, I read this slightly manic. I thought a little bit that they're like in the way that you ping pong in between emotions when you're going through deep shit like this, like you go from feeling so down that relieving some of that makes you feel really great. But it may be an off-putting way for a little bit and then you kind of find your happy medium.

Speaker 1: 1:39:31

This feels a bit like the energy of I started to walk to work but then I got lost, and then I'm like being lost in place where you're trying to break, and then I'm like, oh my sweater's on backwards. We should all have nicknames for each other. This has a little bit of that brand of happiness.

Speaker 2: 1:39:48

Yes, yeah, a little. Don't want to beat around the bush, don't want to procrastinate. Procrastinate, that's an interesting word. What do you think?

Speaker 1: 1:39:54

that goes on. Yes, yes, yes. So we'll see where it goes, but I do think he's still doing. He's maybe not as out of the emotional woods as he would like to think he is or as he might want to be portraying that.

Speaker 3: 1:40:10

Yeah, that might be true. Comment down below come all ears. Nate is not even looking at him. Ted's looking at Nate with a big smile on his face. Nate is like looking at Beard for a translation. He's like, is that a yes? He's like yes, okay, he doesn't even. He's like it's like he doesn't even wait for Ted. There's no affirmation from Ted because Ted has been saying yes as far as Ted understood.

Speaker 3: 1:40:33

He's like I've said yes three times. I Beard finds this yes, okay, when we play Brentford, we should play with a false nine Ted's watching this couldn't agree more. What is it Play without strikers? Roy says, okay, wait, so Jamie and Danny ain't gonna play. And he says, no, they do. This is Beard now, who has read all the books. But they play in midfield where no one expects them to be. Plot things. Yeah, I see so, okay. So we got both our aces tucked up our sleeves. Huh, and that's the. You know, he clicks the, clicks his tongue like he likes it. Love, that that's fun. That's also what Rebecca got.

Speaker 1: 1:41:16

You got it For welcome. You know I met your father's funeral that that, that, yes, yes.

Speaker 3: 1:41:27

Just to highlight that that's a good point. Yeah, yeah, good catch. Okay, today let's go ahead and try out your fake nine. And walks away and has someone back, to which Nate says what loss, false nine, false nine. Yeah, yeah, false nine. Ted doesn't know the terminology.

Speaker 1: 1:41:48

There was the subtext there.

Speaker 3: 1:41:50

He's a real, real hasty. Here we go again, nate said. Now Ted is out of the office. At this point Nate looks at Beard and says here we go again. Give Ted another idea. He'll take all the credit for it. Now, okay, I'm watching this. We're at the penultimate episode of the second season, the glorious second season of Ted Lasso, following up the masterpiece first season, and I'm going what the hell. But oh, so this is what they're gonna do. They're going to. They've decided that this is the wrinkle. You know, this is where you have to enter. It depends.

Speaker 3: 1:42:32

Different shows do it different ways. I talk a lot about how, when you get to 10, 11, 12, you know you're gonna be shooting those. You generally put a lot, put some of your best writers on that. You make sure the show is tight, so it gets another season. Nine is where you clean up. Eight and nine are the episodes you clean up a lot of mess that you've made.

Speaker 3: 1:42:51

Whoever you, whoever you, I don't say I say you put your best writers on the end of the season, but sometimes you put like there's a different skill set to a writer that can pull off the eighth and ninth where they're juggling everybody else's crap. And they're like okay, yeah, I know why we did this. And they're like what's the resolution? How quickly can we get through this? How can we get to a satisfactory result on this subplot? That was really maybe not the best idea, so, but in 11, now we're introducing something that you have the sense. I remember the first time I saw this I thought, okay, so credit is something. Now with it, like he's not getting enough credit, because the line is give Ted another idea that he'll take all the credit for. And I was like you know, I've seen a lot. I've seen the pyramids, I've seen the Turkish prison. What I haven't seen is Ted take credit for anything ever Like. It is not in his ethos.

Speaker 1: 1:43:53

Well, I'd look at it from the other, because I agree with you, and I think part of the reaction in the scene says that Roy and Beard are also about to agree with you. But I think we did touch on Nate's continuing. He's like I still don't feel like a big boy, like I want to feel like a big boy, I make people do my dry cleaning, I this, I that, I, whatever, and I still don't feel that. And so I think he's now looking for another reason why he must be feeling this way, and now it's that he's so brilliant but no one's recognizing his brilliance because Ted Lasso is taking credit for it, which is like not at all. You just are turning around and trying to figure out how to attribute the feeling that you're having.

Speaker 2: 1:44:48

I will only say that a few episodes ago, nate said I'll be the big dog that'll go talk to Isaac. And we all giggled because Nate is not. And Nate, honey, you don't have a lot of insight into who you are. You are not the big dog. But what Ted didn't say was you're not a big dog right now, but let's work on getting you to the place where you are the big dog. What he said was oh no, no no, no, that took a good point.

Speaker 2: 1:45:16

I need to go get Roy. That took a great point and then he spent a lot of time and a lot of effort trying to get Roy onto the team instead of putting yeah, his energy into getting Nate to a place where he would be the big dog. I'm not even saying that it's necessarily Ted's job, but what I am saying is Nate made it clear in his place of work and to his boss he said I wanna be able to do this thing and his boss, who is supposed to be helping with that, can't or won't. So I'm not saying that Nate is right to feel like he's not getting enough credit, but I will say that Ted isn't necessarily doing enough this season to get Nate to the place where he wants him to be.

Speaker 1: 1:45:58

Yeah, that's a really because that is Ted, right. If there's anything that is quite Ted, it's what you just said. Like you're right. Like, oh, you wanna be a big dog. Well, let's see about that. What could we do to help you be and or feel like a big dog? I was just watching this kind of random, but I was watching this video, random video online, and it was of Eli Manning unlike your Ben Shapiro story rapping, and he was doing this thing. He's supposed to be battle rapping someone. It's Eli Manning, right, so we understand. But what I wrote, my comment was is there anything cooler than someone who knows they're not cool? Yes, To me, those are some of the coolest people in the world, People who are like, oh, I am the opposite of fucking cool, Like I am, and you're talking about Eli Manning right now, yes, and.

Speaker 1: 1:46:58

Eli is so good at that it's on fucking believable. He's so self-aware that he is the opposite of cool. Like he has two Super Bowl rings and most sports fans would not say he's the best quarterback in his family and he still is fine Like he is and I love it Like I just fucking love it.

Speaker 3: 1:47:20

If you ever saw the SNL episode that Eli Manning hosted, the concepts of the episode were like the two best sketches. Were Eli Manning trying to do his signature move and they were like trying to coach him for like shooting a commercial and he wanted his signature move to be.

Speaker 3: 1:47:40

And I quote he finds a sandwich on the ground, gets excited, picks it up and eats it. That was what he's like. Yeah, that would be, that would be. Ideal, is what his response is. They're like that's what you want, your signature move. And the other sketch he was in that was amazing was him in a courtroom reading brutal texts that he had sent to people trying to get late night hookups like booty calls, and one of which was that he spelled the word cool. Well, you're saying he doesn't know, he knows he's not cool that he spelled the word cool, k-e-w-l. Awesome and pronounced it cool. Right, and you're telling me that isn't cool.

Speaker 1: 1:48:20

Right, that didn't work. He's the greatest. Some things are making more sense there, Right? No, no. But so to me this is the opposite. Like that moment with Nate is the opposite of that Like it's him, like, sure, we can all work on helping you with your confidence and we can all help with a lot of things. You're never, ever, ever gonna be that dude. Yes, and what would make you really cool actually is if you recognize that and figured out how to be Nate.

Speaker 2: 1:48:52

Yes, 100%. I will fully admit, and luckily I was a child, so I feel like I can give myself some credit for this. But in fourth grade my elementary school put on Alice in Wonderland and I was like, oh fantastic, I'm gonna audition and become Alice. I'm going to be the person that not only sings but also acts well enough that I could be the star of the show. And then they were like, oh no, you're gonna be one of five Cheshire cats. You're not even going to be the Cheshire. You're going to like wear a big sack and it's gonna be striped and you're not a flower M and you are. You are not gonna be one of the toolists. That is not who you are. You're gonna be a Cheshire cat.

Speaker 2: 1:49:41

And I was like, all right, I got it and I did like legitimately obviously, since I'm talking about it now I did take to heart. I'm like you are not a ballerina. That is not who you're gonna be. You're gonna have to figure out your thing. It's gonna be something else and it might involve stripes still well into your future, because, God knows, I love striped shirt. But I do think that it is telling that Nate has so little self-awareness, but also that Ted isn't picking up on his lack of self-awareness to say like yeah, that needs to be addressed, right.

Speaker 2: 1:50:16

We need to redirect this.

Speaker 1: 1:50:18

Mm-hmm, yeah, all that. Yeah, but Nate's on it now, so yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:50:25

Well, yeah, so we'll go with it. It was something that really bumped for me as a viewer of the show and I was like, oh God, don't do that. It didn't feel to me that it was like sort of congruent with, like, his journey, especially considering how you know, he knows my name. I can believe that somebody would sort of lose sight of things like that. People have the capacity to go from a terrible situation to an amazing situation and then look a gift horse in the mouth pretty quickly. I think that's like part of the human condition. But for it, when they started I was like I wish this had been okay, because here's the thing you write anything. There's three acts, right? First act did you put your character in a tree? Second act did you throw rocks at your character? Third act did you get him down, or her down right?

Speaker 3: 1:51:18

Vonnegut always talks about how you've got to be a sadist with your character. Like just abuse your character beyond all reckoning and it just makes the story better. It's like what people want to read. So you can't have. If you're trying to set up the next season of Ted Lasso, you cannot have a. What are you laughing at, boss? What happened? What the fuck, did I say, okay, I'll do it.

Speaker 1: 1:51:48

I'll do it because now you're going to be distracted and you didn't do anything. So you sent a note in our show chat and I wrote back. Cool, but I wrote it. K-e-w-l Kuehl.

Speaker 3: 1:52:00

Oh, oh, oh, oh shit, okay, yeah, All right, fuck, I'm sorry.

Speaker 2: 1:52:02

Everything's Kuehl Don't worry.

Speaker 1: 1:52:04

Don't worry, coach, everything's Kuehl. That was me starting some shit in class.

Speaker 3: 1:52:07

Yeah, we got a. You know, boss, we should put that. There's such good sketches, Eli just ripping on himself, oh, such a peach. Anyway, where was I? Oh, okay, so your character. So you know, you're trying to introduce some dynamic to Nate where he falls out of the graces of whatever. It's just really hard to believe that it would be something that, like the flashlight beam is pointing at Ted. That's really hard for me Really. Let's just know who Ted is. Yeah, it's really hard for me to like I could see Michelle Getting frustrated with Ted over blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 3: 1:52:47

Like if I was living with Ned Flanders, I would also be like enough is enough. But like, up until this point I have never seen any single shred of evidence that Ted isn't trying to make everybody around him better and minimizing his involvement in it and the impact. So it's very okay. So let me just continue this. I know, boss, you have something to say. Just let's, let's go. So he says give Ted another credit, a thing he takes credit for Nate. Roy says that's the job, son. Now Nate turns around and he goes you guys ever want to be in charge? Be the boss, get all the credit. And I was like okay, I was trying to think I was like, all right, okay, so this is the choice. I was like very aware of it in real time, which is not a good thing because you want the suspension of disbelief to be carrying you through. But I could see the strings, like the puppeteer strings, like okay, we're making a choice here, like we're making a pretty big choice. The choice is Nate is feeling impinged by the fact that it's not his, he's not in charge and he's not the number like the. You know, it's not the final say. I'm supposed to, I'm supposed to believe that after, like he was a literal shit kicker, but like, okay, like, okay, like, and then he's going to be mad at the person who elevated him precipitously.

Speaker 3: 1:54:08

In my experience, I don't think again I could be wrong. I don't believe kitman to coach is like even a trajectory that's believable in the same organization. I think if you were like the kitman for for United, right, and then you came to America and coached, you know, a junior professional team and then you got on, I could see it like it was a bunch of lateral moves to get back to a coaching level. I could see that it just seems like that's in the world of soccer. That is like saying the guy that cleans the dugout is now going to like be the third base coach, and you go like wait a second, like that is a, that is a hell of a promotion, and so we're going to actually believe that the person that made that promotion happen is now the focal point. Hold on, hold on. I'm going to just finish here.

Speaker 3: 1:54:58

Beard and Roy looking at each other. You know we used to believe that trees competed with each other for light. Susan Simard's fieldwork changed all that. Now we realize forest is a socialist community. Trees work in harmony to share the sunlight, and to which Nate responds. Can you just give me a straight answer for once? Right, and Roy, you know who's Roy. Roy is not big up on book learning and yet he's like pretty sure he, just like Nate, is supposed to be a. You're not hearing him. You know like yeah, yeah, yeah, and like how Nate is. I would say Nate is theoretically more you know, well, read or book smart or whatever, than Roy historically. And yet, roy, it was like obvious what the answer was. I think he just did and Beard nods right, when this works, which it will, I'm telling everyone it was my idea, which it was. And then he walks out and now we get a look from Beard to Roy and the show chooses for the book for both of these guys to ignore it. And Beard looks at Roy and says your eyebrows aren't.

Speaker 1: 1:56:04

So, boss, I know you've been biting your tongue. I don't want you to end up like going through all the way, so I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to see the floor. I had a couple of reactions there too, but I think there's some interesting conversations here.

Speaker 2: 1:56:19

Well, of course, we have pushed that right up against. No sorry, actually, let me restart that. I want to hear what you have to say also. The only thing I want to say, castleton, is that you were thinking that Nate is imagining this from a rational perspective, that what he recognizes is I was the kit man. Ted gave me a huge shot. I need to continue proving myself and then eventually I might be able to obtain the job that I want.

Speaker 2: 1:56:51

That isn't how he's reading this. What he is reading is I have always been special. I have always been somebody that is underestimated, that people do not recognize as being smart or good enough. Ted started to see that. He saw it a little bit, but he isn't seeing it all the way Ted should know. If Ted were really good at this, ted would know that I should be at his level at least Ted.

Speaker 2: 1:57:15

Ted probably should have said Nate, you've known football your whole life. Maybe you should be the head coach and I should be your assistant coach, because that is his feeling on it. He is not coming from a thinking perspective. His feeling is somebody is supposed to recognize that I am as good as I've always known I have been, and then I will stop feeling shitty. And if he doesn't stop feeling shitty, that is because people haven't recognized him enough. So when you have a bottomless pit of need for male validation, it is bottomless for a reason. You are never going to get to a point where you're like, oh, that's enough validation, you're going to const, I guess.

Speaker 3: 1:57:54

I will. No, of course. I mean but Shit Sorry.

Speaker 2: 1:57:58

Sorry, literally you can't. That is not a thing that you could fill in Like if you were looking. What you need to do is put the bottom on that and then you will feel, okay, you can't fill it in if it's bottomless.

Speaker 1: 1:58:09

Yeah, I'm with that. I would add to it that he, if it's, not only that, it's bottomless, but he's not even sure what it is he wants. Yeah, because he's actually gotten credit. He got credit last year when, like last season for us, but earlier in the show, like, hey, who's play, who's that? That's pretty impressive. Oh, that's Nate. Great, you know you're handing this over to a kit man. Oh yeah, he's a genius, you know. So it is.

Speaker 1: 1:58:50

It is, nate feels a certain thing and he cannot get rid of it and so he's going to blame whoever is standing there. And I'd also put into this and I think kids do a version or do versions of this. So I think you'll get it as a parent where, like your kid will lash out at you about X, y or Z, and maybe they don't like broccoli, but what the fuck was that? And then you find out that, like, their friend was being shitty to them, or they feel bad about some tests or they, whatever it is. But you're safe and if their friends are pissing them off and they go off on their friends, they might lose those friends, but they're not going to lose you. And I think there's a safety in Ted, because he's Ted, that you can like be angry with him or behave out of line in some ways with him and know that he's going to be Ted about it. That you wouldn't aim the same kind of behavior necessarily at Beard, because there's a sense that Beard don't give a fuck.

Speaker 2: 1:59:53

Yep, Yep, Beard is happy to be a tree. Beard does not need the same validation that Nate does, and so Beard is looking at it like the entire team needs to work together in order to make this work. Nate is thinking Number one, he wants all that validation. And number two not having it and then having somebody pay attention to you make you special in that way. Even if they are not stopping that, even if they just can't keep upping it over and over again, then it is going to, for you feel like a loss. If they pay attention to anybody else, you're going to think why the fuck aren't I special, but how come you're not paying attention to me? There's a line in Mythic Quest where somebody says he knows how to shine his light on you, and it's so much colder when he takes it away Once you have it. If you have any less of that, it feels significantly worse, and so you need it to keep upping if you're going to like it over and over again.

Speaker 3: 2:00:54

I'm just smiling because I know I am. It's just, it shows. It shows really good. We got to get coached on that. Oh my God, that shows good. Yeah, so good. I thank you.

Speaker 3: 2:01:06

Great analogies, great examples. Coach, you're exactly right about that. It's your safe place for your children. It's a great example.

Speaker 3: 2:01:14

Listen, it's a bold choice because, like here's what everybody does, they just go, oh, you know, you show a shot of Nate, you know, looking at a pub or something. This is the generic choice. You know, after a game, everyone else having fun, and he's like, maybe I will try alcohol for the first time. You show Nate, like going to the pub again by himself. That's it, that's what everybody. That's like the generic. It's like, oh, make him you know this or make him that. And they're trying to do something more subtle, to say like, oh, I want validation and so you know, you have to even credit for that.

Speaker 3: 2:01:52

I still, yeah, as right as you all are and as exact, as the exactitude with which you've given examples is excellent. I still felt like when I was watching this, I was looking at some of the architecture which I wasn't able to just enjoy it. I was like, oh, come on. And then the fact that Beard and Roy didn't jump in like big brothers to do kind of course correction. We're talking about having boys and stuff. There is an element to Nate where he doesn't. We have a friend who sometimes they like if they're a fashion designer and they say, hey, what do you think of the lapels on this jacket? You say you know what? Those are kind of fucking awful, I don't love those. Right, then you will cease to be in the circle of trust for the next jacket.

Speaker 2: 2:02:48

Does that make sense?

Speaker 3: 2:02:49

Some people just take the truth off the table. So this is why it's so important to have what we call boys or friends, or confidence or people like the Diamond Dog, so you can have a realistic sort of level of feedback about whatever it is. And there are times where the dude-ness of Roy and Beard, the collective bro-ness, makes them think, eh, he'll be fine, he'll get over it, when his trajectory is not their trajectory.

Speaker 1: 2:03:21

Yes, you miss that. Yes, yes. Like the fact, as much as I found myself going get a clue, like my feeling being get a clue, nate, like why do you think he's talking to you about these trees? Like take a breath, take it in, like I was very much with Roy, like he did just fucking answer you didn't hear that. But just because I would get it, and just because Roy gets it, and just because Beard gets it doesn't mean that Nate gets it, and he's actually expressed that he's not getting it. So us just shaking our head that he doesn't get it doesn't help him get any closer to getting it. So there is, the ball is being dropped there and this would actually, in this sequence alone, be twice that we could point to where Beard doesn't step up in a way and go whoa, whoa, you're obviously not getting something here. Like let's stop and make sure you get it before we proceed.

Speaker 2: 2:04:17

Yes, I think I would say my complaints about characterization as it's been handled and, of course, we're speaking from seeing through the end of the show. I think that it is the Ted Lassler writers I have found a really, really good at laying the road for why people are behaving the way that they are. The setup for the this is why they're fucked up in the way that they are I've always felt was handled very well.

Speaker 2: 2:04:47

It was usually the coming back around where I was like maybe they did that too fast, maybe I didn't, I think they skipped over some of the work that needs to be done, but I actually I think that what they're doing with Nate's character makes a lot of sense here. He got a taste of what he wanted in terms of being recognized and being promoted and people liking him and people thinking that he's the genius that I always thought he was, and then, as will happen, the attention needed to go to other places and he is now feeling even more that he has owed that attention and not getting what he needs, and that's why he's turning into kind of a prick and it's why none of this is working. None of the stuff that Ted is saying to him is making sense, because he is still looking for you need to think that I'm a genius and Ted's like I do. I just can't tell you that every day for 24 hours straight.

Speaker 1: 2:05:40

Yeah, he's living in how it feels and whether it's Beard or Roy or us, we're talking about how it is Yep, yep and those are not the same.

Speaker 3: 2:05:55

I've mentioned on other shows, you know, earlier, watching various of my children, various members of my family I have four children and to see, like the first time, you know, you said, oh, baby's first steps, baby's crawl, baby, whatever Notable in my mind is the first time that this was not something I knew. Growing, you know, becoming a dad, the first time that they got a like or something on social media or whatever, and how they reacted to and what it became. And so you see, like you know, the social media being designed around what's the term? It's not interaction, it is engagement. We know the right to engagement, that's it, yes, so engagement. So people say, oh, I love the feeling of.

Speaker 3: 2:06:46

You know, Nate really loves, you know, people. He loved the fact that people noticed him. So it was a real shot to his shot, you know, shot of adrenaline for a grenade, and that has probably, you know, waned and he's looking for that next shot. It reminds me of like Gollum and the one ring kind of thing where it's like you get, you just can't. You know if you you think you're taking your mind off of it, but it's working in sinister ways inside your subconscious and so, you know, the net result of it is that, you know, Nate seems to hunger for this sort of validation in a way that has caused him to become unhealthy in other places. But again, would have been nice if the boys had done a little better job of redirecting him here.

Speaker 3: 2:07:34

I want to just finish with that little button. Your eyebrows aren't crazy. Royce says thank you, Beards is their psychotic. And that's, let's say, that's, you know, that's your boys. Royce says I appreciate it, and then he wants it and he would. So yeah, that's how, that's how the fellas. The fellas talk to each other.

Speaker 2: 2:07:58

I just real quick. I talked about the boyfriend. I left this episode this weekend. I said something about how, if I had to, I would take my nine year old niece in a fist fight last before anybody else in the family, my younger brother included, who was much bigger and stronger than I am. I was like I, my niece is the last fucking one because she would bring a knife and she would fucking mean it and she would take me out. And I said to the boyfriend you know like yes, of course my brother is bigger than me, but he isn't meaner. And the boyfriend said very few people are. I said, oh honey, that is so sweet of you, oh, sweet talker, you, and I meant it.

Speaker 2: 2:08:41

I really meant. I was like that's really, that's really nice, that's great.

Speaker 3: 2:08:46

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Speaker 3: 2:09:02

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Speaker 2: 2:09:02

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Speaker 3: 2:09:32

I love it. Yeah, Thank you everyone. Thank you for joining us for this episode. We'll be back next time with part two of Midnight Train to Royston. Never say that without thinking about Joe or Plain in New York, either one. There is that. Yeah, there is a plan.

Speaker 2: 2:09:51

It turns out it was a flight to Houston. I'll put that all in the community site, though you got to be there to find it.

Speaker 3: 2:09:56

Ah, got it, got it. Oh, flight to Houston. Okay, yeah, yeah, okay, good yeah, everyone, thank you. Thank you for joining us. Thanks again for supporting the show. We love it. Please like and subscribe and all that good stuff and support your local libraries and the written word. And until next time, we intend to remain Richman till we die. Love it. Thank you for filling in for me everyone. My beautiful daughter is okay. She's happy upstairs and doing great, and so thanks for commandeering the show and taking it through the straits. Cue Absolutely.

Speaker 1: 2:10:43

Cue Exactly.

Speaker 3: 2:10:44

All right, Thanks everyone. We'll see you next time.