Midnight Train to Royston (S2:Ep11:Part5)

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Speaker 1: 0:22

Welcome to our Ted Lasso talk, the Tedcast. Welcome all Greyhound fans, welcome all you sinners from the dog track and all the AFC Richmond fans around the world. It's the Lasso way around these parts with Coach, coach and Boss, without further ado, coach Castleton.

Speaker 2: 0:39

Okay, welcome back, beautiful people. Today we're discussing Ted Lasso, season two, episode 11, the midnight train of Royston. I am your host, coach Castleton. This is part five of our continuing coverage. With me is always is Coach Bishop.

Speaker 3: 1:01

This is a fascinating look at when is cheating cheating?

Speaker 2: 1:08

Yeah, no, no for sure. We, yeah, yeah, a lot of people don't put a great amount of stock in emotional cheating or like emotional transmission. There's that whole school of thought of like you know, if you're not flirting, you're not trying. You know there's a whole. There's I'm, I'm, I'm married, I'm not dead, but there's a lot. There's a lot with us as our boss family chambers.

Speaker 4: 1:34

I want to say number one I don't care about any form of cheating as long as she's not hotter than me. Only thing I care about, that. Everything else I could get past that's fine.

Speaker 4: 1:45

But number two, more importantly, you know, what I really love is regulation. So people talk about how Chicago is a hellhole and one of the first things I want to say to them is have you seen our tenants bill of rights? Because it's not even renters, it's the tenants. If you live in an apartment in Chicago, you have rights and there are laws and your landlords can usually go fuck themselves. To the point, chicago landlords very rarely even charge you a security deposit, because it's a whole fucking thing being an escrow and interest and they're not going to fuck with it.

Speaker 4: 2:16

The reason I bring this up is that Wednesday evening, ish, the super calls me and he's like hey, also because Chicago has a lot of mixed use zoning, so the unit underneath mine is commercial space. And he calls me and he's like hey, they have a drip. Like are you running the water in your unit? And I was like I just ran the dishwasher. And he's like can you not? And I was like I guess, I guess that's fine, whatever. So I stopped the dishwasher. He's like I'll be over tomorrow to check it. He comes over on Thursday. He's like yeah, it needs to be replaced. I'm like that's cool, you're placed months ago, but I guess that's fine.

Speaker 4: 2:51

So then when I'm home yesterday afternoon, I'm washing a pan to make my dinner and he says they calls. And he's like they've got the leak again. Whatever you're doing, can you stop? And I'm like Nope, because I'm washing a dish to make my dinner. So like I don't know what you want to do. And he's like is there any chance that you could use the water in the kitchen as little as possible? And I'm like I guess like I could order takeout on a Friday night. That sounds fine, I could work with you on this. Right before we started recording this show, I colored my hair. I get into the shower. Well, I'm in the shower, I get four calls from the super saying you can't use whatever one shower either, and I'm like so now I can't shower and I'm like does this mean that I also can't flush the toilet?

Speaker 4: 3:38

because we were getting to a space where this is uninhabitable. Uninhabitable, like I don't know what you fucking want me to do with this. He's like we're going to replace the washer on Monday. We're going to, like, check all the pipes. You're going to fix the leak. We're going to do all of that. If you could just not use the water from now until Monday. Oh, really Like.

Speaker 4: 3:56

I can absolutely do that. I'm like I can absolutely do that because what's going to happen is I am going to not pay rent for the days for Friday through Monday and I'm going to go check into a hotel and I will take that off the rent and all of my meals for the weekend. I'm going to take that off the rent also because I can't be in my apartment, so you guys are going to have to cover this. And he said Do you have a friend you can stay with? And I said probably. And then he said okay, well, I guess, just like, try to use the water as little as possible, but we won't tell you not to use it, but like, if you can, just try not to so much. And I was like oh, okay, that sounds great. I'm going to finish my shower now, because I got out of it in order to talk to you about this, to answer this fourth call.

Speaker 4: 4:47

But I got to do all of that because Chicago is like hey, landlords don't get to just fuck over pennant.

Speaker 3: 4:53

So thank you to the city of Chicago for allowing me to. I promise you, anytime I hear someone railing against regulations, I'm like who are you looking to destroy? Who are you about? Like I just it's knee jerk for me. I immediately I'm like who is it you think you thought you were going to get to abuse who you're not going to get to abuse now? So I'm glad. I am glad that is in place.

Speaker 4: 5:19

Oh my God, I love it so much. I also, even though I worked a shitty job in the accounting office at a property management company for a couple of years, I am grateful for the knowledge that the tenant bill of rights exists, because I have used it at all of my apartments. I'm like, well, actually we're not going to do that. This is how we're going to handle a situation.

Speaker 2: 5:38

So it's great. Thank you, boss. Yeah, I appreciate all that and I'm glad that you're glad that you're able to navigate that stuff. It's such a having been.

Speaker 2: 5:50

I grew up in a family where we were landlords all the time. So, hearing about you know what you're going through, I know what the landlord's juggling, so, and I assume they're good people, so. So if that's probably a terrible assumption, but then I think, oh God, like, how do you, how do you balance it? You're the landlord. You're like Okay, I got this tenant, I don't want to put her out, but every, every time, every time she sneezes and there's a drip of water from the faucet, there's a like a flood in in a commercial thing which is affecting their business. Like you know, you just don't want anybody to be, to be put out at all. But you rightly point out, I will say this is something that I'm terrible at. But you're, you are paying for a living space. You're not paying for a borrowing space or a half of a living. Yeah, that's what you're paying for. So there has to be a remuneration, some kind of compensation if you, if you are put out of that space and it sounds like they're trying to dance around that as well.

Speaker 4: 6:48

But yeah, that is the only thing I like. I don't want to make this sound like a moral issue. I don't think that they're bad people because they can't figure out how to fix this fucking link. I think I just mean, if you need me to not use my apartment, I need money to be somewhere else. It's the only thing that pissed me off. When he was like, can you go stay with a friend? I'm like, oh, so I'm supposed to impose on my friend instead of the business that you work for, covering your expenses.

Speaker 2: 7:18

I thought I thought you were gonna say I can come stay with you. That funny, oh, fuck that, Absolutely no. Yeah, what do you? What you? You probably, I'm guessing, your landlord you probably extra space, you have like a guest bedroom or no. That makes me.

Speaker 4: 7:32

I have a hard time like it's funny that I used to just fall asleep wherever I felt, like in college and high school, especially after some drinks. I'd be like this is where I'm sleeping now, since right, because now it's like two or three people run like yes, I would feel completely 100% comfortable staying at your apartment and no, it's probably more like five or seven, but anyway it there like it's not a long if someone's like oh you could.

Speaker 4: 7:58

You could crash with my second cousin who lives in that city. I'd be like I would rather sleep. Honestly, god, I cannot. That makes me feel so uncomfortable, I can't do that Right.

Speaker 2: 8:11

I also point out that there's different tiers of landlords. So there's the landlord like the top of the food chain is the landlord owns, like the high rise or apartment building. It's just like a corporate entity for them. They don't. They don't know the you know, they don't know it's a business to them and they have an entire team of people, of managers and things like that, that run the enterprise and it's you know, that's like what do you think? Evil landlord or that kind of thing, or slumlord, it's like when they're that far detached. But I think the statistics would bear out that most of the resident you know what. This is probably changing and this is like a problem with the industry. But this is where corporations are buying up all the living space. But once upon a time it was like your landlord probably has less money than you do, you know, like they've leveraged everything to every single single part of their. This is what my family was. We're just like you know. Oh, we're going to get to the promised land someday when all the stuff is paid off, and you know what I mean and then it'll just be like straight income. You know, that was like the dream and I'm like I don't know if we?

Speaker 2: 9:13

I have a brother who got there. I have a brother who built six houses, six duplexes, in the middle of the woods no, in nowhere. Like I was like why is he building these? Like I was like this is so stupid. It was a rural town. He built six duplexes and so it's 12 units and and years later he did, he did, he paid them all off and now he is just, he never worries about money.

Speaker 2: 9:42

Yeah, because of these six things that he did and he did he. It was like we were so broke. I remember what he got. He got a bid for what it would cost to to dig out the foundations, dig and pour the foundations. And he's like what? Like he couldn't believe how much it cost. So he went and got his license. He was like I will just do that myself. He took a six month course and whatever. And then he dug all the foundations and we were over there helping him pour foundations and you know what I mean. But, but, but anyway. So when it's that type of landlord, I go. You know they just feels like it's not all all the same animal to me, but, but yeah.

Speaker 3: 10:19

I get it In either case, and I definitely hear you coach on that because I've actually thought about investment properties and looking and stuff like that. So I know that it can be. It can be. My big thing is and I've become better at spotting this faster and faster the older I get when somebody tries to make their problem my problem, like you have a problem, yeah you own a building with a leak.

Speaker 3: 10:47

You have a problem. You want to make that my problem. You want me to go showerless and hungry until you can deal with your problem. That's not my problem. It's not personal. I'm just saying if we're going to divvy up whose problem, that is, that one's yours and I think you know that drives me crazy. I'll just say quickly.

Speaker 4: 11:09

One of the trips I took with the family to Disney World which I wouldn't do by myself the younger niece got sick, as kids do like. She just threw up out of nowhere, vomit it and in amusement park, go figure. So the following morning I was tasked with taking the older niece on the bus to the park so that my sister and the other niece could like spend a little more time settling down and seeing if she felt good on the bus. My niece, it's just like kind of going through the stressors of it. She was like well, what happens? What happens if she's still sick tonight? And I said, well, she'll sleep in bed with mom and you could sleep in bed with me. She goes okay.

Speaker 4: 11:49

But sometimes I kick what if? What if I kick you while we're sleeping? And I said that's fine, I'm a grown up, I'll be okay, that's not gonna be a problem. She was like, okay, well, what if I throw up? And I said, then I will clean you up and we will put you in clean pajamas and we will go back to sleep and it'll be fine, she goes okay. Sometimes I fall off the bed when I'm sleeping, though. Like if I move around too much, sometimes I fall off, what are we going to do? And I said that sounds like a you problem and the family next to me, the guy kind of chuckle a little bit and then his wife elbowed him in the ribs and I was like I'll pick you up and put you in bed. But like I don't know, man, wake up, you're on the floor, sleep in the bed now.

Speaker 3: 12:28

I mean in fairness.

Speaker 4: 12:31

It wasn't her problem. It was not a me problem. I couldn't do anything about that.

Speaker 2: 12:36

Wow, wow, yeah, no, no. I was gonna say, yeah, boss is laughing at my, I'm horrified, I'm horrified. Response to a child oh my God, yeah, no, no, there's funny. There are some. There are some some sayings that have become invoked lately. Coach, first of all, you are 100% right and I think you're taking your problem and trying to make it my problem. And how dare I have the audacity to point this out Like so there's right, there's, we've been so conditioned for the have nots to absorb the problems of the house. This is, this is really good, and so all of this is all of this is factual and it's good and I agree with it. I do not like the saying that sounds like a you problem. It's one of those things that has happened recently, and while I I will find that I'm usually on the side of the person saying that when we, when we get down to the nitty gritty, but I don't like the term.

Speaker 2: 13:38

I also don't like it's up there with me. Well, for different reasons, but you get what you get, you don't get upset. Have you heard this one? Yeah my kids were in school.

Speaker 3: 13:50

That was the first time I heard it when they were little.

Speaker 2: 13:52

I was yeah me too, and I was like what? Your teacher said this. And I was like. So I went and talked to teacher. I was like what, what does that mean? I like I understand it's a, it's a thing that you say to eat, to like to get through a otherwise difficult thing, but like, do you understand what that? Like, I'm like could I never heard it before? And she was like oh, we grew up with this all the time. Now it's become very, very common.

Speaker 2: 14:18

You get what you get and you don't get upset. This is if, if somebody in the class gets screwed, everybody gets a gold pen and one kid gets a silver pen and goes hey, sorry, just curious, why don't I get a gold pen? You get what you get, you don't get upset. I'm like I don't know, I don't know about that. Like, is there? Is there a better phrase for making people pawns of the oppressor more than eat your fucking scoop of shit and and like it, and that's it, don't, don't even question it. It's like, don't get upset because, like, I want you to be programmed to not react to the unfairness that has just been exhibited. I'm like I don't. This doesn't.

Speaker 3: 15:02

Yeah, you know it's funny. I reacted to it probably like a similar reaction of like I'm not sure I would always apply that and I get why if you teach kindergarten and you have to deal with. But I like that red crayon more than this red crayon where you'd be like, ok, we're not doing this all. God damn, I'm not. I am not going to play judge and jury to the who got the better red crayon thing Right. So like I'm right, but teach them another, teach them another way.

Speaker 2: 15:34

Then let's talk it out. Then let's have a, let's make an agreement about sharing.

Speaker 2: 15:37

Let's whatever it is Right, but not it means this is what, this is what I promised my kids. I would never say because I told you so, because I grew up in a family, because I told you so, and that's it. And I would say, I would say to them before I got hit, I would say because I grew up in a hidden family, I would say, of course you say that. You always say that because you don't have a defense and you haven't thought through the problem. And then I would get clobbered. Oh yeah, but oh my God. But I was like yeah, I don't give a shit you. It gets me so crazy. And to this day I've never only I've said because I told you so, as like now, it's like a joke with us that and I swear to God, don't make me spank you or something like that about, because they know I'll never hit them right.

Speaker 2: 16:22

So it's like a now, it's like a joke. Or if I say, oh, you know, whenever, because I told you so they'll, all the kids will start laughing like, oh man, dad's really lost it. He's you know. But that's the thing. Because you say, because I, because you either don't have the time or the effort to explain the real reason or you don't respect their intelligence enough for them to grasp the real reason, you know, whatever it is.

Speaker 2: 16:44

Whatever it just might not have really, you know, against it because I grew up with it, it was constant and I was so grossed out by it as a parenting methodology. But yeah, anyway, just that's just me.

Speaker 3: 16:56

No, I think I mean I hear you on that and it's funny, those. I mean we've gone from the original one, but that one of I told you so I didn't get a ton of that. Actually, both my parents were pretty generally were pretty willing to, you know, say this is why or or not, just because I said but like that's my decision, like to me is different than because I told you so. Yes.

Speaker 3: 17:20

Because to me I told like, like it's like. Maybe I'm right, maybe I'm wrong, guess what, I am, I'm in charge and I had to make a decision, and now I have and I can't, and I like. To me that's different than like, as if it came on like stone tablets or some shit. Absolutely.

Speaker 2: 17:38

Yes, I've said no and that's it. Sure, that's it Okay. Good, that's you are. You do have the right to be in charge, but but when it's like, oh, I'll be, I'm in charge, and also I don't know why I did you know because I said it and that's it Like okay, why'd you say it?

Speaker 3: 17:51

Well, I don't really know, because I was my knee jerk reaction of which I have no understanding.

Speaker 2: 17:57

Okay, even if they said that, I would have been thrilled. I would have been thrilled growing up when having I don't know why I said it, I don't know why I do have the things I do I would be like thank you. But it wasn't like that. It was like oh, the judgment has come down from up on high. I'm like if any idea where that judgment came from or what, what abuse in your past made you choose that or what you?

Speaker 3: 18:19

know what I mean. I'm like what? It's really shocking that you and I have moved away from religion. It seems like we're really like. It seems like we are built for a system where people just yell random things from the front of the room, and then we just follow it. It's a mystery.

Speaker 2: 18:38

All right, all right. Today we're we're diving in right with Miss Bowen Roy. He he is in her classroom and boss, will you? We're going to pick it up from? Is that a younger year? Can you take it away from here please?

Speaker 4: 18:54

He is not impressed with the drawing. Is that a younger year? Nope, same year. Then why is that picture shit and yours are not shit? Oh well, I take the picture before they can fuck them up. They hate it, but I know it's for the best, which I kind of like. And it's not that I think that parents or adults know better than kids do. It's that I have read. God damn it. Why am I blanking on his name now, the New Hampshire guy? No, not John Grisham. He did World According to Garf John Irving. There we go, sheep. Jesus Christ, I sound like an asshole. I've read his books before and I have also seen the movies that were turned into movies from his books. And the man needs a heavy handed editor, and I. It is a founding principle of my life that you need somebody who was willing to destroy your work in order to save it. So I have to agree with Miss Bowen on this one.

Speaker 3: 19:59

Yeah, well it's. It's funny because we were just discussing it. So part of me is like, oh no, it's your art. Yeah, but I do think it speaks to me. It speaks to perspective too, though. Like I know how this process plays out and I know that right now you're just fascinated with the idea that you can dip a brush in paint and transfer that to this paper and you're like, but later it's gonna dry and we're all gonna be looking at it and you're not gonna like it anymore because the fun of the painting is gonna be over and the reality is gonna be that you're looking at a mess. So I reacted like yep, she, you know, ms Bowen knows what she's doing, and I'm bet Ms Bowen's parents also come in and they may not phrase it the way Roy did. I love these two just cursing up a storm talking about little kids paintings, but I'm sure the parents are like, yeah, no, if I gotta look at something my kid did, I much rather it be something I can see.

Speaker 4: 21:07

Yeah, and also I think that if you wanted to go color your fucking hearts to light out later, that's fine. If you were showing something to people, there is the aspect that it's going to be judged by the public, in which case you want somebody to sort of have your back and say like let's modify this a little bit because your actual point isn't coming through. Is this the most important thing to do with how old ever old these kids are, or what like first or second grade? Probably not, but I would also say getting comfortable with the idea that other people can have input and edit you in a way that might be beneficial is not a thing we shouldn't be teaching children. I like it.

Speaker 2: 21:51

I mean, it's also a question of perspective, because from the perspective of a first or second grader whatever Phoebe is, you know they're like I have a piece of paper and I have many colors of paint. I do not understand the concept of negative space and therefore, if it's, going to be a rainbow right and Miss Poe snatches it once the rainbow is done. She hasn't let me color in the sky, the fields, the grass. You know what I mean. Like if you're a kid.

Speaker 2: 22:19

You're like I need to fill the whole paper and it's just going to get messier and messier and yes, you don't have the perspective to know, oh yeah, this will be viewed and judged and that sort of thing. So yeah, I have no problem with it. It's funny. I don't think of it as editing, but I like that boss, I just think it's like that's just like a wily veteran Like you're done, snip Like oh my gosh, you can see like the little kid's head turning as the thing is pulled away. You put a new piece of paper in front of them so they can finish. You know, paint, they're hearts to light on the new one.

Speaker 4: 22:50

Yeah, keep painting, but not on this piece of paper.

Speaker 2: 22:52

Yeah, this one's done, this one's good.

Speaker 4: 22:54

It's like I can't remember which Matrix movie it was, other than Not the First where it's Neo fighting off like 50,000 Agent Smith and it's just a after a while, just like a rat king pile of AI bodies, like it's just fucking, what are you doing? I needed somebody to come in and be like he should fight one guy, have him fight maybe two, but we don't need 50,000. This is ridiculous.

Speaker 3: 23:20

It's funny you use that excuse me example specifically because if I think that's one of the great examples of someone, of the creator, then having too much power, and you look back at the first one and go, oh, they made y'all shape this one. They made y'all. They didn't let y'all do whatever the fuck you wanted on this one. That's how we got to this brilliant piece of work.

Speaker 2: 23:50

So yeah, the Matrix two and three were deeply disappointing for me, but at any rate, that's where I got to jump in and correct you guys, because actually there was only one Matrix movie and I'm starting to think there's like a collective delusion on your part that you believe.

Speaker 3: 24:07

I don't want to be a jerk about it. There was one and I didn't know what the hell you're talking about. Yeah right, we're at the rest of the work. Two, three, what? Yeah, three right.

Speaker 4: 24:14

It almost sounds like there's some sort of higher power that's forcing all of us into an alternate reality where we don't remember that there wasn't those movies. That's really fucked up.

Speaker 2: 24:24

Listen, is it uncommon? When you think about it, when you think what we know about entertainment, you have a breakout piece of entertainment and you find out that the first iteration of that breakout piece of entertainment had some, was on rails a little bit, had a veteran who knew where the boundaries were. And then you have second and third iterations of an amazing property and you go, eh, I don't know if it's as good as the first one and you wonder oh yeah, I found out that they took the veteran out of the equation.

Speaker 3: 25:10

On the second iteration. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, don't you start with me, castleton.

Speaker 2: 25:19

I just I wouldn't be so similar. You know, like this actually happened on one of my other favorite shows, patriot, which is like one is season one is, is you know a revelation. And then two, you're like okay, it's just straight. Okay, like it approximates where you go. Another one, future man, was another show, season one, unbelievable. It's way better than had any right to be. You're like what, how did this? It's so stupid. But you're like this is amazing. Like when you look at it, you're like this is absolutely inspired. And then that one, though I think they were just super high and they thought, oh, we'll never get a second and third season, so we don't have to think through that. And you know they're just stunned when that happened. So, but it does happen. You know the first one out of the gate is inspirational. In this case we have Roy saying to Ms Bowen oh, asa, you're Ms Bowen, the mean teacher, and Boss, pick it up please.

Speaker 4: 26:26

Well, phoebe likes you. Well, she's smart. Most of them hate me. They have, like different mean nicknames for me and he says go on, I don't know any of them Ms Bowlegs, ms Boring, ms Bonehead, ms Belland, bodie, ms Boatface which I have to imagine is a shout out to Bodie McBoatface.

Speaker 2: 26:50

It's gotta be. Yeah, bodie McBoatface.

Speaker 4: 26:51

Gotta be. Can't not be.

Speaker 2: 26:53

Bodie McBoatface, it was a bad idea to allow the internet to try to Boss explain what that is for people who don't know.

Speaker 4: 27:01

Oh, that's Stephen Colbert. There was a contest to name. Is it a cruiser?

Speaker 2: 27:06

I can't remember exactly what kind of ship, but yeah right, it was some high-end military vessel yeah.

Speaker 4: 27:10

A big military ship and I'm sure that there are people out there shouting about how it's an aircraft carrier or whatever it was. I come on. But there was an online contest. You could vote and decide which one of these historic admirals or whatever else would be named after, and Stephen Colbert, during the Colbert Report, got his audience to all. Vote for right-end candidate Bodie McBoatface.

Speaker 4: 27:36

And that's what won Bodie McBoatface, and that's what won, and then they wouldn't call it that because it's garbage, that's fine, whatever. No, uss Bodie McBoatface, so that we just have a British teacher version All right, so she-. And then there's one little boy who simply calls me fuckwitch, which they said bad sometimes.

Speaker 2: 28:01

She says it's I'll say that it's admittedly my favorite, which I-.

Speaker 4: 28:04

It's admittedly my favorite.

Speaker 2: 28:05

It makes it seem like her, but fuckwitch is Mm-hmm, yeah, and I read it as like, let's see, you know what? I didn't even look in the spelling of it, and not that the oh yeah, fuckwitch. Okay, yeah, in the captioning it says witch as in broom and had a Halloween witch, not like sandwich, right, like it's Could be both Right. I always assumed it was like a witch, like an evil witch, like a witch, you know? Yeah, that's the way I heard it but yeah, fuckwitch.

Speaker 1: 28:41

I have to say that is up there with my other favorite nickname, bonerweenie.

Speaker 4: 28:46

I'm sorry, or is it? Yeah, there's a guy that went to high school with one of my best friends and the boyfriend, and I don't know what his real name is, but I do know of him as Bonerweenie and everybody. We are 40, and people refer to him as Bonerweenie. That's awesome.

Speaker 3: 29:05

I mean whatever the story is, Just chuffed about it.

Speaker 4: 29:08

Sure, I don't think that there's even a story. I think that one time somebody was like oh, this Boner. And then it just became like, it's like, I think that they like him. I don't know, I'm not sure if I've met him, but I know all of Bonerweenie. Wow, Real mature, real mature nickname too.

Speaker 2: 29:27

She says admittedly, that one's my favorite. And he says the best teachers are the toughest ones. I mean, roy is enjoying hell out of this. And you got like a teacher who knows all the shitty names the kids call her, and the worst one is her favorite. She's very winning. There's just something incredibly magnetic about Miss Paul.

Speaker 3: 29:49

I thought they did a brilliant job with this in that the sort of I'll call it Disney movie version of this. Any other person who would cross Roy's radar we would hate for some reason They'd be rich and obnoxious or they'd be this or they'd be that. And to have Miss Bowen be so very likable, like this has Meat Cute written all over it, except that we're like but Keely, but Keely like. If there's no Keely, this is like oh, this is wonderful. The two of them live happily ever after now, after they've cursed at each other, and both enjoyed it. So anyway, I thought it was done in a fun way.

Speaker 2: 30:37

Yeah for sure. And one of the defining characteristics of Roy Kent is him growling at everyone. And the other teacher had the effect on him where he just dismissed her and got the fuck away as fast as possible. And, for whatever reason, he's having a real conversation with this person. Whatever the case may be, you know what I mean. It's just kids man. Why is this working when other people don't? He growls at little kids outside stadiums. He growls at old men. He growls at groups of people. He doesn't give a shit. Leave me the fuck alone. But for some reason, this her whatever her stick is endearing to him because it resonates as so authentic. And also she's like a teacher of little kids. Her job is she's a tough cookie. You know to have to. They're real sharp cookie there, coach. So yeah, my first coach used to chase me around the pitch on a motorbike. Roy says Like we were fucking Mad Max and Miss Bonance says that's terrifying. And what does he say here, coach?

Speaker 3: 31:44

Yeah, but it made me fast, which is I mean wow, you know, like every once in a while I get something and I'm concerned at the level on which I get it. Like there's part of me that goes yeah well, you know, guys, fast he's working out. Now. I'm not sure that means it's okay to chase a little kid with a motorbike, but I guess we all just move on.

Speaker 2: 32:10

Isn't there some stat about successful people with terrible dads? Isn't there some I feel like?

Speaker 3: 32:17

I've read something I don't know if it's like statistic a statistic, but I've read that a lot of people you know, a lot of the sort of mega star people we would be aware of, had very interesting relationships with their fathers.

Speaker 4: 32:34

I'm gonna come at it from another angle and wonder how many times people just have bad dads. How often is it?

Speaker 3: 32:42

that the population. That's a good point. You're like if you have enough bad dads out there, then some of them are gonna give you a sting and some of them are gonna give you Hank, the leg breaker from the box.

Speaker 4: 32:59

Yeah, okay, it's a little bit like you wouldn't believe how many CEOs are right-handed. It's like, well, that's a lot, that's most, it's most are right-handed. I don't know what to tell you. What I thought about more was Tina Fey on weekend update a few years back. When somebody said that Hillary Clinton was a bitch, she was like, yeah, she is a bitch, and so am I, and so is this one in points at Amy Poehler. And the line is bitches get stuff done. That's why Catholic schools use nuns as teachers and not priests. Those nuns are mean old clams and they sleep on cots and they're allowed to hit you and at the end of the school year you hated those bitches and you knew the capital of Vermont. Now, was that sort of an endorsement of Hillary Clinton over Barack Obama and we maybe need to revisit that slightly? Yes, but also, she is correct. All those things are accurate.

Speaker 3: 34:00

I ask myself about that kind of stuff all the time. Like perfect example, joe Jackson right.

Speaker 2: 34:11

Like by any measure by any measure.

Speaker 3: 34:14

What a fucking nightmare. And then you go, but, and I feel uncomfortable, but I mean, but the reality is the reality, like the world got the Jackson five and if he hadn't been an asshole, those dance moves wouldn't been that precise. I mean like it's crazy. You know what I mean. So I don't, yeah, I don't know what to do with that.

Speaker 2: 34:38

Sometimes yeah, maybe we'll never or never you know sort of. We never have access to the counterpoint either because, like the, the Bakoid, like low-key parent who has a successful kid is like great, like super Good for you man, like your mom and I are gonna just toke one up before. All right, like you never. You never hear that.

Speaker 3: 35:05

That what doesn't end up Over stone film.

Speaker 2: 35:07

Yeah, okay, so her, watch it. Half hour begin. Half hour countdown begins and he's got to go. Nothing worse than parents mixers, they have free Chardonnay and I get to ward off all the single dads and not so single dads, yeah.

Speaker 3: 35:25

That's so gross. Don't be that Teacher conference really back gross, gross.

Speaker 2: 35:34

Um, yeah, just don't be that like like have a couple rules and one of them should be Like just don't be that hit on your kids, teacher, I think that's fair.

Speaker 3: 35:45

We can all follow that one.

Speaker 4: 35:47

No, my god, I understand that this is gonna shock you guys a lot, because I am the Moral guide stone of this podcast, obviously. But the problem with that for me is not just the cheating, but the cheating so close to home that you are Asking to get caught like. I'm not.

Speaker 4: 36:09

I'm not saying that people who have second families on the other side of the country are doing it better. What I'm saying is, if you take care to make sure that your partner never, ever, ever, ever finds out about that one time you fucked up, you are doing way better than the person who will play grab ass with your sister-in-law. That's a fucking problem.

Speaker 2: 36:32

We had a funny conversation in our family. Yeah, we had a funny conversation because Somebody we were talking about my daughter at college and there was this this one guy that she's friends with, who's like just really outgoing, and she couldn't get a read on him. She's like he's got a girlfriend, but I sometimes she like he might be flirting with me, but he's just like that with everybody, and so like I can't. And and Juliana said she's like your dad. And I was like wait what? And they were like oh yeah, I know, like there is a version I get. I love people and so there is a version of me where you could say, yeah, he flirts with everybody, like Juliana's. Like there is a, you know it is, it is you are an equal opportunity flirter only because you're so thrilled with everybody like you'll meet Just somebody on this and we have to. We are walking to a thing. Can you not talk to the person you just?

Speaker 2: 37:28

you know, like you know interesting and it's like, and she's like, if in the wrong hands it could be miss. You know, miss, it's not flirting, but she's like it could be miss right, because we just really Get very engaged one-on-one.

Speaker 2: 37:42

It's never like group, it's never a group thing. It's like you know you meet someone and you have that like very, very intense sort of Focus, just like that. I was like, oh that's interesting, but but I make sure to go out of my way to. You know, never not with you know you don't want to be like that. You know kids, teachers or think you know I make sure I just want I always go like Super far out of my way to make sure like it could not be misconstrued. You know that, whatever it's just yeah.

Speaker 2: 38:11

But it is I. It was funny to hear it, you know, related back to me. I'm like wait a second, but yeah, no, it's, it's interesting. She asked him are you married?

Speaker 1: 38:24

and he is kind of like I was trying to think is this, the?

Speaker 2: 38:28

is this the first time she asks about like asks about him? I was like they've been going back of the bat. You have the birdie going over badminton back and forth. I got you know I do this, I do this, I do that like they're offering. But it's it. I don't think it's been in it and you know, form formatted as a question Between them, right, and at least in this interaction I think that's right.

Speaker 3: 38:51

I mean, yeah, kind of the first, like Foray for her in a way, I don't know it's interesting because I read it I, and I don't think I'm wrong based on overall what happened here, but I read it as her saying and but wouldn't so much mind being hit on by a single uncle, and, and I Also then thought how many of those single dads think they got that signal, but they just were being told about the kids, aren't they just read it wrong? Yeah, I mean because she doesn't say here hey, there, good-looking, I Find you interesting, but it certainly comes through you.

Speaker 2: 39:37

Know, that's a. That's a, it's a, it's a trick to capture. That you know anytime. I'm always amazed because you know when you see a show and you go God, these people know chemistry like how did this get?

Speaker 3: 39:46

past right.

Speaker 2: 39:47

Right, right, so that when you see people with camp, like these people, actually chemistry like this, this works yeah yeah, if you told me like oh, in real life they're married, I'd be like that explains it.

Speaker 3: 39:57

Yes, yes.

Speaker 2: 39:59

I've been trying to get people to watch more. People watch a brilliant I just love this show Excellent Australian show called Colin from accounts and you watch it and you're like man, there's chemistry up the wazoo between these two. You know the two leads. You're like, yeah, damn, like they just. And then you're like, oh, they're married and they wrote it together All right. Like yes, that explains. But right, exactly right, coach. Like if you said, oh, these guys are dating outside. Like because there's something cooking here. But capturing it is a trick, it is an accomplishment For boss, you got something.

Speaker 4: 40:35

No, it's just that I looked up Colin from accounts and the lead Patrick Bramble. Bram bramble, I'm not sure. Yeah, no, he is the husband on the TV show evil that I watch and fucking well, oh, no shit.

Speaker 2: 40:51

Oh boss, you're gonna like this, you're gonna really like so. Now, very talented. He wrote, he created this, the Colin from accounts shop. It's Just got picked up for a second season, thank God. It's like one of those things where little engine that could, and those of us who love that show are very, very excited about it.

Speaker 4: 41:08

I'm gonna have to give it a try. I will let you know that he, even though being the husband, is not actually the romantic lead, because there's a small, not a small. There's a large segment of the audience that wants the female lead to get together with the hot priest who she works with, mike Coulter from.

Speaker 2: 41:30

Yeah, everybody in the world should get together with Michael. I should get together with Michael. Michael, oh my god, stunningly beautiful.

Speaker 4: 41:39

It's fucking ridiculous, you handsome I it is.

Speaker 2: 41:42

It is a friend, my culture, in the stomach by me.

Speaker 4: 41:46

It wouldn't matter, you hurt your hands Believable.

Speaker 2: 41:52

I'm like, how like are you created in a lab?

Speaker 4: 41:56

He's, he's so hot and they're like let's make you a priest and make you just have to like shove all of that attractiveness Inside of your priest uniform and see what you could do with that. And he fucking does.

Speaker 2: 42:08

My culture Is handsome enough that you could put him in an elevator with Idris and and he might still hold your gates. You know it's like that. You go. You know you're just like I do. Know my culture is coach, coach. I do laugh, I do. Yeah, I know what. It's sure, my culture.

Speaker 4: 42:26

Justin case. The audience isn't sure, though. He played Luke Cage both on the Luke Cage TV show and also in Jessica Jones. Extremely good-looking.

Speaker 3: 42:36

I never made it all the way through. I was another one of those series that I started was like this is great and then somehow didn't complete. But every, every episode of it I watched, I loved. What are you talking about, luke Cage? Oh yeah, I liked it really. I really.

Speaker 2: 42:52

I'm not gonna say yeah, yeah, I think I think my cultures, you know, brings a lot to the table, but but in that you know, certain roles are better for him than others. That's all. You know. Like I didn't, I didn't love the. I didn't, I don't know. Luke Cage boss, did you like Luke Cage? I?

Speaker 4: 43:09

Did at first. I didn't finish most of the Marvel TV shows I sort of like after a little even daredevil. After a bit I dropped off. Yeah so I think that's more of the. I think each one of those should be like one, maybe two seasons and then done. There's not a lot to do after you talk about their big story, like Jessica Jones and Kilgrave fucking amazing. Everything after that I don't remember.

Speaker 2: 43:36

Yeah, I mean David Tennant, you know, again, there's certain shows where you go oh, whatever, we got to stay on Ted last of a. Certain shows where you're like you know, somebody just absorb. You know, this is the problem having with Abbott. I love Abbott elementary but like whenever a was not on screen, principal, a bomb, like Like one tear. Less interested somehow, because I guess I don't know, I don't know why, but I'm like that comedy is so so good for me that when she's not on and it's like David Tennant's not on Jessica Jones, Okay, you, you don't want to hear Barbara shouting sweet baby Jesus, and the grown one too, because that is one of the lines from the TV show that I Roared with.

Speaker 3: 44:19

That was very fun. I remember that line. Actually, that was very baby Jesus and the grown one too.

Speaker 2: 44:28

Okay, all right, so we have her inquiring here miss Bowen, are you married? He says no, and she doesn't look up. But she's very casual about it. She's pretty slick, miss Bowen. She's just packing her stuff and then his phone rings and he looks at it reminders leave for photo shoot. I gotta go. She says you're not gonna stay for the art show? No, sorry. And then he pulls out what is that? A hundred quid? It looks like a hundred.

Speaker 3: 45:00

My use of quid. There at least at least 80, but maybe it felt like a hundred.

Speaker 2: 45:04

Good drop four or five bills right and and grabs the, the breast, the breast pictures and and leaves and and he doesn't. He's not. There's not a big goodbye here, coach, you know sir.

Speaker 3: 45:21

Oh yeah, no, no, he rushes out. He's like hmm, my head was in one place. I've just been reminded that my head was supposed to be in a different place. I gotta go. I'm like this was much more. I'm out of here. Then you know, oh, I forgot, I have an appointment. Like he was, like I should go now, before this conversation Takes any more questionable turns. He waves over his shoulder without looking back. Yeah, I mean, he really gets out of there. I'm I'm curious, and maybe this seemed obvious to you too. It felt to me like Phoebe drew a specific pair of breasts, as in Miss Bowens. Was that did that? I was like wait what? Yeah, so maybe not, maybe just you know.

Speaker 4: 46:12

I Will say that when he was going through the photos, they all looked the same. But there's it. I Would have to imagine had she seen breasts that many times in order to draw them that accurately, it would have to be her moms.

Speaker 3: 46:30

That's that's.

Speaker 4: 46:31

That's an interesting point otherwise, she has an Incredible imagination and could really pinpoint exactly where Miss Bowens and apples are gonna go, because those were accurate.

Speaker 3: 46:46

Yeah, you know what? Okay, yeah, now I'm with you. As a very least, it would be informed by something she had seen, in which case Mom is right, yes, yes.

Speaker 2: 46:57

Yes now, you know you talk about people who are like body part. People say, oh, I'm a, I'm a leg woman or I'm a. You know I have a friend and she's a forearm girl like she'd love. So she likes Guys that pick up trash cans for a living like garbage because they have the best forearms.

Speaker 4: 47:15

She's like oh, my god, you know so everybody but the Sluttiest thing a man could do is wear a dress shirt with his sleeves rolled up past his forearms, so slow Look at coach and I am what, like we're fit, really have you?

Speaker 3: 47:32

oh, I had. No, I don't know that I've ever heard this before in my life.

Speaker 4: 47:37

Have you not seen Stanley Tucci make a cocktail on his cooking show? Because he only wears. Button down dress shirts with the sleeves rolled up and like he's shaking shit. It's all over the place, come on.

Speaker 2: 47:52

Well, I point this out because I it did not occur to me Whose breasts Phoebe had drawn, because I'm not a boob man, but we do have someone on the podcast who might be categorized that way, and which is why they're mind man.

Speaker 2: 48:14

That yeah oh, I love you, then anyway so next scene what happens is so actually what does happen is is the crazy teacher, karen, with the lollipops comes in, she goes Like she was obviously overhearing the interaction and you know it's not often you get to see fuck which take off her mask and, and you know, and put her jammies on. And she was definitely. You know, it seemed like she was working it a little bit. And this is this is where, if you love boss, you're probably gonna love miss Bowen. Boss, I'll let you do miss Bowen's line to to her, her colleague here.

Speaker 4: 48:57

I oh, for fuck's sake, karen, grow up. Grow the fuck up, I should say God's sake, grow the fuck up, which I just. I have to agree that I think there is a difference between being childlike when you're working with kids and being immature, and it seems like Karen was being intentionally immature, Like even if Miss Bone was flirting with Roy. What you don't do is come over and go, ooh, like you're in the audience, a fucking save by the belt, like you come over and say, well, he's hot, so like what's up.

Speaker 3: 49:41

Yeah, it certainly she does. It seems that Karen does, and 20 of their names Karen just hit me. But anyway, it seems that Karen does what Karen does and it doesn't really matter what she's getting from the other person. And what was actually pretty hot between Roy and Bone is that they both were picking up on the other right and so it's like, ooh, okay, now we're playing a game. There's no badminton with Karen, Like she's just sort of swinging away whatever happens.

Speaker 4: 50:13

No she's bowling. She's just throwing her shit all around, hoping that she hit some pins and somebody connects with it, right, and then she's going to go on.

Speaker 2: 50:25

All right, coach. We pivot over from a hot and heavy scene to and it wasn't really hot and heavy, but it was charming and likable, and anytime you see some human connection, that is prime Ted Lasso territory. So we pivot over to Ted waiting outside of a fence like an iron, a wrought iron, grated like top fence, all by his lonesome, very much alone. I don't think it's an accident that the first shot, the establishing shot, is hit. A single of him. Put a barrier behind him and, coach, walk us through the scene.

Speaker 3: 51:07

So Ted looks up, here comes Dr Sharon on the bike I'm assuming the bike he gifted her, actually and he says well, well, well, look what the weird bike rode in which he's all over the place because he's upset. I guess, ted, how long have you been standing out here? A long time, and I really got to use the John too, but I'm going to hold it a bit longer because I'm so danged off at you. I mean wow. And so we got inside. I was right, it's a lot easier to navigate that hallway with this thing all folded up.

Speaker 3: 51:47

If you recall, last he brought a bike in there, it was in disrepair and not able to be folded. She chuckles Thank you for carrying it up. And he confronts her how could you just leave? Sorry, I'm not good with goodbyes. He says well, when I was a baby I wasn't good at walking and talking, but I stuck with it. And look at me now I do need to pause here. I laughed out the fuck loud at that line. I thought that, like as someone who has had an angry moment or two, there's a specific like wavelength of anger that makes you super eloquent, like makes you able to put together ideas in a very specific way of like. This is exactly the bullshit I'm talking about, and to me, for him, that line was so funny and so frustrated and so angry. It just made me laugh.

Speaker 2: 52:47

Anyway, do you have that superpower when you're that angry?

Speaker 3: 52:50

you can. Sometimes I say things that even I am like that was objectively funny, Like that was a funny.

Speaker 2: 52:56

this may be why I don't give an anger very much, because my version is just like profanity and a lot of finger pointing. So that's good, I have that. I have that. You can clear that up.

Speaker 3: 53:05

That's really nice, I have that gear. But yeah, I definitely have time with, because I actually had a friend tell me that once that when I would go off he was like the thing is sometimes when you go off is when you make all the sense, but because you're yelling people can't hear you. But he was like actually you go off. He's like when you go off like oftentimes like you are spot on, but he's like you call exactly what's going on, but because you're yelling that's a very good.

Speaker 2: 53:39

As your friend, I will say that that's a very good observation. Yeah, that works. Yeah, that's interesting. I also for the record. I also. I thought this was great. I laughed at that, and look at me now. It could be. Yeah, that was like God damn.

Speaker 3: 53:54

That's pretty good. He's funny, so he is. Did you get my letter? Yes, did you read it? No, we had a whole thing planned for you. You know how hard it is to get grown men to learn choreography. I thought that was nice, almost impossible. Heck, we even got you a gift. He throws the envelope on the table, cash comes filling out Spoiler alert, it's a bunch of cash. He thanks him. He says you're welcome, but, ted, you knew I was leaving. I did, but I thought I was going to get a chance to say goodbye to you. I really felt that, for I have my own goodbye, shit, I guess. But I was like, yeah, come on, sharon, right, I mean, my wife left me.

Speaker 2: 54:37

Hold on, hold on, hold on. But we're sweethearts. Let's, let's pivot over to the person on the other side of the podcast here. Boss, do you have any goodbye issues? Are you just like? Do you usually just kiss your middle finger and hold it in the breeze here, like, how does it, how does it typically work with you, boss?

Speaker 4: 54:53

I can't believe that you would say that I'm not a sweetheart. That's fucking ridiculous. That's fucking ridiculous. I don't know. I don't have a problem with goodbyes, but also I don't necessarily need them. I think also there's a little bit of. You can get a hold of anybody now that you kind of want to. Like you could figure out a way if it really were that way. So basically, if if I don't talk to you right now, it's because I don't feel, like it.

Speaker 4: 55:26

So in that case it doesn't feel as inevitable. Like I think I've gotten better with change, in part because it's easier to accept. I would like to say as much as you guys laughed at the line about, but look at me now. I sort of liked that. What he was saying was sometimes you have to work hard at shit, like sometimes it sucks, but then you have to work hard.

Speaker 3: 55:50

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I love, yeah, that's part of what made me laugh. Yeah, yeah, you know you're doing goodbyes.

Speaker 4: 55:57

You have to do them. That's how you get better.

Speaker 2: 55:59

Yeah.

Speaker 4: 56:00

Gotta fucking practice.

Speaker 2: 56:01

It's funny coming out of Ted's mouth that that right in this in this, well, that maybe that's an indication that therapy has really worked. Yeah, maybe, vossa, you'll be happy to know. You know we're joking around about how your lack of whatever you know, sentimentality yeah, that's exactly the word I was looking for. Joanna volunteered for something at the kids' school and I told her I was like Don't, do not do that. She's like no, I think it'll be. Yeah, they set all the kids up with with a sponsor, uh, all the seniors in high school and some somebody's got to coordinate it. So there's like a three person group coordinating it. I was like don't do, don't do that. Don't be one of the three people I saw. I've seen him for years. It's a train wreck.

Speaker 2: 56:50

And anyway it was her. This one other woman who's a college professor and it's, but it's being run. They're the, the assistants, and it's being run by a woman with like worse ADHD than me and coach put together. So the the meeting, I know like it was a shake in her head. The meeting is like like it's Juliana at the table on her laptop, like just sort of like nodding and agreeing, and the other woman who's the professor, texting Juliana saying, like, can we just use a spreadsheet and move on? Like, what are we like? What's how you know? Like this, like all this stuff. And then me watching Juliana and laughing thinking, oh my God, but she has it at home. Why, like, why would you sign up for? But the meeting was an hour and 10 minutes and it could have been an email, and so and I was like, so I told her your thing about like don't, what's the rule?

Speaker 2: 57:43

It's like don't, I don't want a meeting. That could have been an email and don't send me an email. That should have been a text and also generally don't text me.

Speaker 4: 57:52

Like, yeah, just very much Like, if you don't have to.

Speaker 2: 57:55

How you reduce it down to as little interaction as possible, make it granular. For me, this just give me the just as small as possible Glimming details and let's not interact. How about? How about that?

Speaker 4: 58:07

I'll say what you need. What Juliana needs in that meeting is a the boyfriend, because it turns out he was complaining that he's been in a lot of meetings recently and he's like half the time it doesn't even have anything to do with me, like I've got nothing to do with the fucking meeting. Why am I involved in the meeting? He found out it's because, especially like department heads found out, that he was the guy in the meeting that was like that's not on the agenda, so we're going to move on to the next topic, we're going to stop talking about this and we're going to get back to what this meeting is for. So he is the company's professional task master. He's like that's not. Nobody included this when you sent out an email. So we're not going to. We're going to schedule a different meeting and you guys can talk about that later. That's not for this one. Wow, I've never been prouder of him.

Speaker 3: 58:59

No, that's great, I'm so happy, that's great.

Speaker 3: 59:02

Cause I it's funny, I actually I am so for that, and it's actually in part because of my ADHD. Like, actually, once we decide like this is what we're doing, then I'm like, come on, stick to that man Cause, if we start cause, if we start wandering around, I as anyone who's listened to this podcast born 15 minutes, knows I'll goddamn wander on it. So, like I'm trying to stay on the road, so don't be leading me off the road now. I'm doing my best here. Hey, don't do that Squirrel. Exactly Like don't be pointing out squirrels. Like I'm, I'm, I'm working at this.

Speaker 2: 59:44

Date night with you and the boyfriend must be, must be a very, uh, targeted affair. Boss. I can only imagine Not a lot of. What are we doing this evening? We're going to watch this show and then we're going to go to bed. Okay, Done Bam, that's it.

Speaker 4: 59:59

Have I not mentioned what Valentine's Day is?

Speaker 3: 1:00:01

No wait, have you Cause. If you haven't, I need you to.

Speaker 4: 1:00:04

Yeah, go right ahead. Valentine's Day, our tradition, beef stroganoff. The first John Wick, not on the rest of the John Wicks, john Wick number one beef stroganoff. That's Thanksgiving. That's that's Valentine's Day. I'm guessing there's a lot of Wick.

Speaker 3: 1:00:20

God love is just smashed right, right up, don't it?

Speaker 2: 1:00:23

That's it.

Speaker 3: 1:00:23

That's it, jesus, what John Wick as one does.

Speaker 2: 1:00:29

What the On Valentine's Day? Stroganoff for the belly of Eastern European meat.

Speaker 4: 1:00:37

Oh man, it's a fucking phenomenal. You know what it's so good?

Speaker 2: 1:00:40

Yeah, beef stroganoff is is is unbelievable. I'm yeah, it's, I'll give you that. Well, listen, this is why I asked this, because so Boss doesn't have hangups with goodbyes, cause she's like I could get a holiday. If there's Facebook, there's there's other ways to to do it, but for Ted it's. This is a big deal. This is someone who's really been life changing for him and it's so funny. We went past it really quickly. But he throws a spoiler it's a bunch of cash and she says thank you, like I, really like her. You know I've had problems with Dr Sharon the door closing and the certain things.

Speaker 2: 1:01:19

But like I really like how calm she is, like even in this moment she really does understand what's behind it and that you know she's able to see the forest for the trees and Also, it feels to me like this is what she needed.

Speaker 3: 1:01:38

But when someone's your therapist, like they're also colleagues, like he's, he's come here to speak to his therapist and she was saying goodbye to colleagues in a way you know what I'm saying Like cause my therapist, like my therapist, doesn't get not really, but you know, in terms of like my experience of it, it's like my therapist doesn't get to have like an inner world or a bad day.

Speaker 1: 1:02:02

Like if I'm coaching somebody I'm not like oh, my wife's been on my ass all week.

Speaker 3: 1:02:06

Like you know what I mean. Like, like, so, like they don't give a fuck, like they came for coaching and it good for you, and so there's a level.

Speaker 2: 1:02:16

You don't start your sessions that way, coach. No Sorry if you hear, if you detect something, it's cut my leg, real bad I'm imminently bleeding.

Speaker 3: 1:02:26

It's been bothering me.

Speaker 2: 1:02:29

It's not you, it was you. Just go and tell me you're bullshit. Now just add it to the pile.

Speaker 3: 1:02:34

You know, but he but yeah, I mean for him, like that's it's. You know, it actually has a bit of in it which I hadn't thought of, but I think it's worth thinking about is it's got a little mother child to it, Because this is how we are with our parents, right, With our parents. It's not. Like somebody said, one of the craziest things about growing up is realizing that your parents were growing up too. And I was like, okay, now I need a nap. Because, yeah, because that's probably the most shocking part of being a parent for me is I thought it was all sorted out by now.

Speaker 3: 1:03:08

The fact that I am still sorting things out at this point in my life is totally fucking shocking to me. I thought I don't know when, 35 or so, like whatever you didn't have figured out, they gave you like a memo, like there's the rest of the shit, the rest of your life. So it's shocking to me. And so I think Ted, like the fact that she doesn't do well with goodbyes is why doesn't she do well with goodbyes? Ted don't know, Ted don't care, and it's appropriate, in a way, for him not to care, based on the relationship they have, you know. So it's interesting.

Speaker 2: 1:03:42

Absolutely. I thought it was gonna chance to say goodbye to you. He says, and I mean my wife left me, my dad left me and you, more than anyone in the world, knows how I feel when I get a band and you just left.

Speaker 4: 1:04:01

I understand where he's coming from with that, but also I would need to call him on projecting his own shit onto Dr Sharon Like number one. Your wife didn't often leave you without a goodbye. You and your wife had a conversation about how you were going to separate and then you left and moved to another country. And then she came and visited you and you guys discussed how you were gonna get divorced and then you did the whole divorce and you still are in each other's lives. So, like, what he is talking about is his emotional reaction to not having the same relationship anymore, and she needs him to be good at that in order for her to have done her job correctly. Like, which is also another thing.

Speaker 3: 1:04:47

That's mostly what I'm trying to figure out.

Speaker 4: 1:04:49

I mean, obviously she's right about everything.

Speaker 3: 1:04:53

No, no, no, no, no. I hear you.

Speaker 4: 1:04:55

Yeah, no, no, no, I get what. Like. I understand what he is saying and how he is feeling, but I also think that's one of the things you need to work at in therapy. Like him, feeling that way doesn't justify other people needing to change their actions to fit his emotions.

Speaker 2: 1:05:15

Stunned by that, take boss. But yes, I figured I can't believe that's coming out of you. So she says yes, I read that. I wrote about that. It's all in the letter I left for you. Wait a minute, yeah. Okay, you mean this, this, right here. Okay, guess what? I'm not gonna read your letter ever. Okay, you got something you wanna say to me? You just say it to my face.

Speaker 3: 1:05:36

The way she looks at him. She, like what I read there is oh, wow, I really hurt you. Like I think she thought you'll read the letter, you'll get it and we'll be fine. And I think she's seeing like, oh, I really really hurt somebody's feelings. I did not. That was not what this was supposed. This is not how this was supposed to play out and I thought it was a really nuanced moment because she didn't say a word, but it didn't to me. It didn't read like why are you yelling at me? It read like ooh, I know why you're yelling at me. You are really hurt, sorry. Anyway, I thought it was a nice one from Dr Sharon.

Speaker 2: 1:06:18

She clearly took the time to think about this and think about through all of the patients, our clients or whatever they call it, and it seems like it didn't occur to her that they might not get to the letter reading portion of the event. You know like to kind of just skip past that. Well, do you think you would have read?

Speaker 3: 1:06:39

it. Coach, I think I would have read the letter, even if I had read it angry. I think it is interesting that Ted's like nope, it's a little bit like not going to his father's funeral in the like fine, you quit on me, I quit on you.

Speaker 2: 1:06:54

Yep, yep, right, it's very reactive. Yeah, and anytime someone uses like always never. You know, I'm not going to read ever you know that's an emotional reaction.

Speaker 2: 1:07:06

You know we're dealing with something else. And you know he says I thought we had a breakthrough. And you know, dr Sharon, yeah, she says you know it's. She says, yeah, you did, you confronted things. He says no, no, not me, not me, I'm talking about us. So, which is another thing, which is I really like. I think it was you, coach, that said that it was like a father, a parent, child thing. It does have that sort of petulant child energy about it, because one of the one of the people is being very calm and understanding and, you know, de-escalating the event. And she agrees we did, ted, yeah, thanks to you, I've learned that expressing my vulnerabilities can help my patients with theirs. You helped me become a better therapist, which is that's saying something, because I was already fucking brilliant which I was going to say I love that, yeah, it goes back to how good at your job because I'm three times better at mine, or whatever.

Speaker 2: 1:08:11

Damn Jesus Christ. And then that makes him laugh. That like takes a little bit of the edge off the situation.

Speaker 3: 1:08:18

right, coach, and yes, and I think in part it's. It's really interesting making me. It's making me think of a situation that never got resolved, like we'd never got to any version of this conversation, so an occasion it bubbles up on me so it's interesting to think about. But she acknowledges us, she acknowledges, oh, no, something special did transpire and I think that makes him go okay. Then, all right, we're in our road back.

Speaker 3: 1:08:53

Like a minute ago I thought I meant nothing to you or I felt that you treated me like I meant nothing to you and that that was the problem. But the minute she acknowledges no, no, no, you're not crazy, something special happened here. It feels to me like when he starts to actually turn, I think that matters. I think part of his deal with his dad is like you didn't, you didn't think about me, which we've had the whole conversation and, and you know, bosses walked us through like the realities of that. But I think that sense of like, oh man, you didn't think about me, like you didn't, I didn't matter enough, and now it's like no, no, no, you mattered a lot, and I think he can hear the rest.

Speaker 2: 1:09:36

She's validating his. He's sitting there thinking, oh this, we didn't have this. She said, no, we did have this, which is why I wrote the letter. You'll see that when you're. I think I had boss.

Speaker 4: 1:09:45

Well, I, what it sort of reminded me about a little bit was the movie my Girl with Macaulay Kalkin and Anna Chomsky. She has a crush on her teacher who was played by Griffin Dunn, who is the lead in After Hours, which Beard After Hours, you know, paid an homage to, and the Mr Bixler really likes her Like he does think that Veda is like a cool kid and when she comes to his house and is like I'm in love with you, mr Bixler, he's like oh honey, no, like do you? You don't understand what's happening here. Like it's not so much a parent thing for me, as Ted is expecting a deeper relationship with Dr Sharon, and she's like honey, I'm your therapist. Like.

Speaker 4: 1:10:33

I care about you as much as I can as a therapist cares about the patient, but there needs to be a distance between us because I am getting into your brain and moving shit around and so if I thought of you as a friend or God fucking forbid a lover of some sort, God hate it. But if she does not take her relationship and their role in that relationship very seriously, then she could really fuck him up. So, like there's, it is almost a she is keeping her distance in order to protect him from making it worse, Obviously because he's already so super fucking pissed that she tried to leave without saying goodbye to him.

Speaker 3: 1:11:12

Yeah, I mean, luckily, no one in this universe would be so unethical as to create an inappropriate relationship with someone who had been under their care. So we're not to worry about that.

Speaker 2: 1:11:26

No, that's true. Yeah, that's a good point. Well, that's nice to say. He says after he chuckles and yet we're going to leave without telling me. You're going to leave without telling me. You know any of that, ted, it's all in the letter In the letter. All right, we'll find a read. Your stupid ass Unbelievable.

Speaker 3: 1:11:44

I laugh, so I don't know why. I think it just is telling me what a child I can be, because this whole I just thought his anger here is. So you know what it is. It's a bit of a side step, but early on in my stand up I may have told you guys this before, so I'll be quick, but early in my stand up I like comics like Lewis Black and I like that like crazy, ranting, yelling and I wanted to do that. I want to do some of that and what I found was I am way too big and way too black to be screaming at an audience like that's just not absolutely the fuck, not like they just horrified and scared and think I'm going to kill them all. So what I then learned to do was twisted to frustration and people fucking loved me, frustrated, pissed not so much, but frustrated, loved it. And to me that's what's here is he's so like thwarted, like he has no power here, but he's trying to like I'm a big boy, listen to me.

Speaker 3: 1:12:54

And I just it's like every moment of it cracks me up. Yeah, he's throwing up. Right. I mean he is throwing a tent right off here. I'll read your stupid ass. Let like what is happening right now.

Speaker 4: 1:13:06

Yeah which is, I would say, in a lot of ways better than a panic attack, but still something he needs to work on.

Speaker 3: 1:13:12

That's a really good point. Yeah, yeah, it's interesting. It's like he's like we're watching the progress, like so yeah, first he couldn't even himself really face it, certainly not let it out. Now he's letting it out totally and appropriately. It's interesting.

Speaker 2: 1:13:29

Yeah, I was going to say that, dr Sharon. So if we could chart this, if we could make a chart of the emotions in this scene, dr Sharon is like even keeled the entire time and Ted goes all the way up and then comes all the way down and she's like.

Speaker 2: 1:13:47

She's like an old ship captain who's like I see that wave that's coming, I know how to just always do is turn right 45 degrees or starboard if she's captain, and you know what I mean, that kind of thing and you're like, and then we'll get over the wave, like, and they're smooth sailing after that and she just, she just knows she's like a widely veteran and you know, she rides, literally rides, the wave of his emotion to, to its inclusion. So, coach Ted, he reads the letter in front of her and walk us through.

Speaker 3: 1:14:20

You spell favorite wrong, like another laugh line. For me I was like, wow, you are really just, you are just wow. And so he's moderate reading it. He's a and you can see that the letter is a lot more than he ever could have imagined, because his face totally turned. It's a great piece of acting and honestly I love that for all the things we get to see in this show. This was another moment they chose that, like that letter is between them. The rest of us can mine our fucking business. I just, I totally appreciated that Very good letter.

Speaker 3: 1:15:03

And then she, she says to him I feel more comfortable writing goodbye than saying it I'm sorry, which I've shared. My thought that apologies and and giving forgiveness of both just ways of saying I love you. So I thought that was cool. It's OK, I understand.

Speaker 3: 1:15:20

My training in Royston doesn't leave till midnight. When I grab a drink, she signals the cash that just went flying across her table on buying. Yeah, ok, that'd be nice. Yeah, I really got to be. First, I got it and then so she directs him to the door on her left and sort of sighs because she has befriended a crazy person. But I, yeah, this is one of my favorite scenes of the series. I started yeah, yeah, yeah, I thought like really so vulnerable. She's so good to him in this moment, but like still, like maintains, like yeah, I wrote you a letter, dude, like get a hold of. Like there's a bit of get a hold of yourself built into it that I appreciate. It's not just her going, you're right. You're right, I abandoned you. She didn't abandon it. Like he may feel abandoned, like boss, parents, out, but she did not abandon it. So I thought as well, I don't know, I just I truly enjoyed it.

Speaker 4: 1:16:25

Well, and I think that this also goes back to the earlier conversation about the teacher, karen and Roy in the hallway and how much she was wanting him to emotionally invest in her, or maybe not even emotionally, but like give me your attention and energy and pay attention, do it this way. That feels like he has not an entitlement, but that he deserves a goodbye. Dr Sharon tries to give him one that she feels comfortable with, but he feels like that's not good enough, so he needs to ask for more. I think I really like that. She says like actually I did everything I need to do in this letter and I would like you to read it for me, like what I did was write it. What you need to do is read it and then we can figure out from there.

Speaker 4: 1:17:10

But he was reacting from an emotional place because he felt abandoned and felt hurt and also felt that the proper way to do a goodbye is similar. It's the same way that you do a proper hello, which is that you do a song and dance and you get people to join in the celebration and you make a big deal, and that is the proper way to send somebody off. And what she's saying is I would rather encourage a buddy who would pull a pocket His nickname was pocket, it doesn't matter and that is where he would tell one person I'm leaving and then just take off. And so everybody else at the party would know that he's fine, that he went home. But he's not going to do this whole fucking thing where he walks around to everybody at the goddamn party, tells them that he's leaving, it's one, and then he's gone. I understand and respect where Dr Sharon is coming from with this. Like I wrote you a letter, I explained my feelings. This is all we need.

Speaker 2: 1:18:08

Yeah, it's really good. It's funny. It's crazy when you see actors that you have grown to love in the wild. I was watching the British series trying, which was a 2020 series, and you see Sarah Niles, who plays Dr Sharon in the series, and she's so different and you're like you know she's an actor. Of course she's different, but you're just like, oh my God, like it's just such a different gear for her.

Speaker 2: 1:18:39

But we talk a lot about acting on this podcast and your partners and performance and all this other stuff and the presence, like what she does. Listen. We talk a lot about how they are able to pull off on Ted Lasso certain types of scenes that are not readily pulled off by other shows. They do a lot of no-nos one person talking into a phone when the other person's there without a split screen. That should never work. It always works on this show.

Speaker 2: 1:19:10

Reading a letter where we don't know the contents and we're just supposed to trust the actor's face is a high bar for an audience and an incredibly high bar for an actor. But he kills it and he is so supported by her because she kills it too. Like even she just lowers her chin, her eye, for what she does with her eyes. I'm like damn, this is like a clinic that you show to young actors and say look, there's no dialogue, this is silent, and did you get anything from that? Is there acting going on here? And people go, jesus Christ. So the definition of acting isn't just long soliloquies, it is those quiet moments that resonate with humans because we can recognize the moment. We see them. So it was a beautiful moment and incredibly well done. And then we pivot over to Coach.

Speaker 3: 1:20:09

Yeah, go ahead. Coach we can move.

Speaker 3: 1:20:12

I just want you use the word that I think really matters in terms of the characters in that world, but I think also matters in our experience of the show overall, and we've talked about second and third season versus first season, all that. But I think we'd agree that what you just described is true throughout, if not in every scene of every episode is over the life of the show and I think the trust is part of the experience. I feel like I am in good hands and I feel like the show knows we're in good hands. So you can write a scene that doesn't have that dialogue, because Sudeikis is going to read the letter and we're going to see it on his face and you see it throughout.

Speaker 3: 1:21:01

I think they do it with. Pretty much every character has moments where you're like it's Jamie saying I should move away and trust my teammate to know the right thing, and we just sit there and watch the Rubik's cube get solved in Roy's head and he yells fuck and does anybody have any question watching that? Like what he just understood and where he's now going to like it's brilliant. So trust is a. I think trusting the audience, trusting the actors, like there's a lot of trust in the mix that, like we're all smart enough to do this, we don't need a laugh track, so to speak.

Speaker 4: 1:21:42

Yeah, I agree with everything you say. I would only add that I think there are parts where they could go even farther with that. But that's also my personal taste, like.

Speaker 4: 1:21:53

I want less singing during the Christmas episode because I don't feel things on the inside, so it's like part of that whole. I think every joke should be edited forwards down more Like just make it as short, as small as possible is my favorite, but I do think that the show does it really really well. When it does it, it does it extremely well and I really like it.

Speaker 2: 1:22:17

We get it, boss we want more John Wick at Christmas. I get it.

Speaker 4: 1:22:20

I want. I want how much?

Speaker 2: 1:22:23

There's just slightly less John Wick than you need in the Christmas episode.

Speaker 4: 1:22:27

Do I have a Christmas movie that I watch? I'm going to have to think about that Scrooge, obviously, but that doesn't count. I'm sure I'm going to remember something where it's like oh right, you watch Fontein dying in Les Mis every Christmas Eve to get you into the mood Like that's what you're looking for. I don't know if that's true. It might be.

Speaker 2: 1:22:49

What a reference Jesus. Christ, I don't know.

Speaker 4: 1:22:52

If that's true, maybe you watch Fontein dying. Well, I'm not going to watch Eponine. Come on, oh my God boss. Jesus Christ. What's the problem? What is it? What's the problem with that?

Speaker 2: 1:23:06

I'm a little lightheaded with how damaged you are. I can't.

Speaker 4: 1:23:10

Just because she accidentally fell into a life of prostitution and died from syphilis. You're going to act like. That can't be a nice, heartwarming Christmas movie. It's a beautiful song.

Speaker 2: 1:23:22

It's a beautiful song, beautiful song.

Speaker 4: 1:23:25

I would also like to mention the Midnight Train.

Speaker 3: 1:23:26

I would also like to mention the Midnight Train, let me count the ways I mean it's throughout all great art.

Speaker 4: 1:23:33

Midnight Train to Royston we mentioned is a reference to Midnight Train to Georgia. I wanted to mention I followed back up, it was Farrah Fawcett, it was talking to the guy that wrote it, written by Jim Weatherly. She said she was taking a Midnight Plain to Houston to visit her family. Jim Weatherly wrote the song and gave it to Sissy Houston, whitney's mom, to record and she said well, my people are not from Houston, they're from Georgia. We don't take planes, we take trains. So made him change the line and then she recorded it and then Gladys Knight in the Fist covered it.

Speaker 3: 1:24:10

So it's a whole history I didn't even know, sissy. Houston had sung that. So there you go, learned something today.

Speaker 2: 1:24:16

Yeah, I like the things like that work out, because usually that's a terrible. Well, we don't take. First of all, we even my people, don't take planes Like oh, Jesus Christ, All right, Like yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no, it's like oh, I'm sorry you think I take the bus.

Speaker 4: 1:24:34

Absolutely not. I'm not. A 325 Uber to the office Doesn't have exactly the same sort of gravitas to it.

Speaker 2: 1:24:45

That's funny. Okay, yeah, I'm still floored by your lame. Israel and listen. I urge you to please die hard as a Christmas movie, so that's oh yeah yeah yeah, no, no no.

Speaker 4: 1:24:57

Welcome to the party pal. The problem is that, I mean the problem is that Die Hard with the vengeance, die Hard 3, is a superior movie. I don't know what to tell you about that. I can't help it. Samuel L Jackson is there.

Speaker 3: 1:25:11

Not even I was about to ask, because they start to like cross pollinate.

Speaker 4: 1:25:16

Oh yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:25:17

Where I'm like, oh yeah, no, no, that was in the second one, yeah, so thank you for that.

Speaker 4: 1:25:21

I can't, I can't pay attention after that. But yeah, jeremy Irons in the third one, it's good shit.

Speaker 2: 1:25:27

Yeah, it's a very lead Zeppelin take. I would also say we watched the ref at Christmas and, boss, have you not seen the ref? It's got a lot of you in it. There's a lot, yeah, I have what else?

Speaker 4: 1:25:41

Okay, yeah, but also I watched that when I was watching Rescue Me. It was a dentistry thing and so I remember it. But it also gets blended in where it's like oh wait, no, no, no, no, no, that was the firefighter show not the Christmas movie. I think you'll be quite surprised.

Speaker 2: 1:25:59

If you take, it's got way more you than me in it, I'll say that. So yes, coach, were you gonna say something?

Speaker 3: 1:26:05

No, I was just going to just give a thumbs up to Rescue Me, which I very much enjoyed.

Speaker 2: 1:26:11

Okay, we are in the we are establishing shot outside a Kufo's restaurant. We get a shot of the start with an outside establishing shot. Move to an inside established shot, wait across in front and Sam is screen left, kufo screen right. They look like they have been enjoying the hell out of a meal. And boss, walk us through this please.

Speaker 4: 1:26:37

So Sam says I never had a West African. I've never had West African food this good in London. I can't believe this place. I didn't know this place existed. He says, well, it doesn't. I had it created for us. I brought in my own chefs. I travel often and I know what it's like to miss food from home. And then Sam sort of looks around the restaurant and says actors, all these guys, and he's like, yeah, friends, yeah, but let's be honest, like probably actors.

Speaker 4: 1:27:09

I thought that it was interesting that when trying to woo Sam to come play for this team and be a part of what he was building, everything was so artificial, like he took him to a museum, which is amazing but fills it like you could have rented the place out. Why are you putting the actors in? My go that extra stuff. It's to give it the appearance of being a communal thing when it is only about a Kufo and he is the only person in the restaurant that matters outside of Sam. So it's interesting to me that he wanted to go to that extra step. It wasn't just that he had enough wealth that he was gonna do these things, it was that he was going to have enough wealth that he could also hide it.

Speaker 4: 1:27:55

This is like the billionaire who wears $10,000 t-shirts Like what are you doing?

Speaker 2: 1:28:04

You know what I love that point, boss. I didn't occur to me till you just said it. That's a great point and really highlights a Kufo. Yeah, yeah, no, no, no. That's a very good point. There's a lot of character woven in there.

Speaker 3: 1:28:17

There's a lot of character woven in there. That's a great point.

Speaker 2: 1:28:21

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:28:22

I know that I reacted to.

Speaker 2: 1:28:25

We have a coach and I have a wealthy friend who has three kids and they have nonstop Brown the Clock nanny support nonstop. Never a day without a nanny or a housekeeper or a chef or something available and I always make fun of him for it. Luckily we're close enough for him Like, oh, we're really working hard parenting, aren't we Like, with your night nanny taking care of anybody. That's a sniffle at night and at least he owns it. He's good about that. But when a Kufo says chefs, I was like more than one, huh, like just I was like. You know, are you the billionaire that doesn't believe a?

Speaker 3: 1:29:11

billionaire. That line, I think, is really significant because I think that line is as much a part of the artifice as the other stuff. We're pointing out that there's a certain coolness, or you know, I'm not one of those kinds of billionaires built in there For some, and maybe it was the accumulation of what we're describing. But the museum I found sort of amusing. I did think it was. I started to not love it here. Like there was something about you did it twice, like there was a flag for me, like okay, what is going on?

Speaker 2: 1:29:55

So you can't be in the world. You cannot be in the world.

Speaker 4: 1:29:59

Yes, yep, he cannot exist in the world. Yeah, this is the opposite for me of when I was in college and I'm not pretending that I'm the only person that's fit in this position but you started to recognize that people had different definitions of being broke, and so there were times when I would say to my friends like oh no, I don't have money to go out tonight, like I don't have money to go out to the bars tonight, and they're like, yeah, I know, like I'm gonna have to not buy that sweatshirt and I'm gonna have to do something else next week, and then I'm gonna have to and I'm like no, no, no, no, it's not an allocation issue.

Speaker 2: 1:30:36

No, no, no, no, no money coming down the pike right now.

Speaker 4: 1:30:41

I was like I have $5.50 that I was planning to use on laundry, but unless you can give me like four shots of vodka before we head out, I do not have money to go out. And so it's just like when he says I don't travel without my chefs. It's like, oh, you're in it, I am Sam, I have money. You're in an entirely different fucking place, that's right.

Speaker 3: 1:31:10

That's right.

Speaker 2: 1:31:11

We rip on wealthy people all the time and the only reason that our friend is not insufferable the one that I reference, who is very wealthy is because he is self-made man. He came from nothing and built his fortune and we go whatever. All the power to you great, you came from nothing. Akufo is one of those guys where they say he was born on third base and thinks he hit a triple.

Speaker 3: 1:31:29

Yeah exactly.

Speaker 2: 1:31:31

He doesn't know anything. What's go ahead, boss?

Speaker 4: 1:31:34

Well, what pisses me off so much about him is that what he acknowledges is I only have money because my father was a billionaire. I want to not be a billionaire, I want to break up a lot of what he did and it's like okay, but you think that that makes you special? You don't think that you're special because you're a billionaire. You think, oh well, I am special because I'm one of those great billionaires that doesn't want to be a billionaire and I'm like do you know how easy it is to not be a billionaire? You just give away billions of dollars and then you stop being a billionaire.

Speaker 3: 1:32:03

Yeah, it's not that complicated, You're right.

Speaker 4: 1:32:06

It's not that hard, that's crazy talk.

Speaker 2: 1:32:08

That's very difficult. To give away money, I mean, that would be very difficult. No, here's the thing. Obviously, being facetious, boss, can you imagine what their day would be if they just went to the best of everything that already exists, like if you're like, oh, you walk into the Four Seasons and you you know I'm trying to think of like the most expensive place in any, whatever you know in London, and you get the best table, which he could do also. But he can't even do that. He can't exist inside the strictures of society. He has to, he has to fabricate a dreamland.

Speaker 4: 1:32:44

Yeah, I was reading an article the other day about how there is a new burgeoning business of essentially like trapdoors, panic rooms, secret entrances.

Speaker 2: 1:32:58

Yeah, I read a few of those.

Speaker 4: 1:32:59

They were the ultra-wealthy in their houses. So it's supposed to be a safety precaution, so you have a hidden panic room so that if somebody breaks into your house they don't know where to find you. But then also it's like it's behind the bookcase and you have to pull this thing up. And so they're describing one guy's house outside of Phoenix and it's like he's got a fucking amusement park in his basement. You know what, if you have the money, fucking do it. That's fine, whatever you want to do. But what the guy said was now I never need to leave my house. And I was like what is the point of being rich if you never leave your house? Even if your house is fucking awesome, why are you not doing everything else in the world? And it's because, at a certain point it isn't about the experiences, it's about what your money will allow you to experience. You don't even care about going outside, you just want to have all the fucking toys.

Speaker 2: 1:33:47

We get, oh man, I could talk about this forever because I'm fascinated by this concept, not just like, okay, building your house or whatever, but hand in hand with the rise of panic rooms, whatever. It's a mistrust of society. So you say, okay, we're at threat. But also there was a lot of press about the knob that runs Facebook. What's that guy's name? Zuckerberg, yeah, zuckerberg.

Speaker 2: 1:34:16

Zuckerberg building his underground thing in Hawaii. Did you hear about that? His underground escape villa, whatever. And so here's my thing that I always. But I talked to people. I'm like these people are so deluded. If the world is ending, the job to get is security. Okay, that's the job to get, because, just think it through, the world is over, right. Okay, like, all these wealthy people have these hidden vistas, you know, underground whatever. Okay, great, and to protect them, they have hired security staff and they'll say, all right, we're gonna give you a room in the Vista and in the villa and the underground villa. And I'm like and then they have all the guns.

Speaker 2: 1:34:58

I'm like how long do you think it's gonna take for the head of security to just take it over? I don't, I don't get it. I'm like why would they be loyal to you? After the world is gone, it'll be Lord of the Flies. I'm like, what do you have to hold over them? You're right now, you have money Right now. Then you have stability. They're already in the villa. They're gonna take. Some little weenie is gonna tell. I'm just like it defies reason to me, but I'm like I don't. Maybe I'm alone in that, but I'm like I just don't. If we're talking about human nature, then it reverts to, like you know, the just survival of the fittest. It just becomes the strong survival Once you get to that level, unless you can automate robots to protect you that are like coded to your DNA. I'm like I don't, I don't know. That seems really weird to me, but whatever.

Speaker 4: 1:35:50

Well, I would like to say I fundamentally disagree with Lord of the Flies. People reference it all the time as like this is what happens when you step outside of society and it breaks down, and I'm like no, this is what happens when rich British boarding schoolboys step outside of society. This is when you already have a group of assholes who have been taught to be mean to each other and been taught that only the strongest person will be able to survive, whatever it, even if it's like being the fucking king, because that's the thing that anyone still does I do not believe that that would be widespread, that all of society would do that. We've actually had instances where groups of teenage boys I'm thinking of one in particular and only- 20.

Speaker 3: 1:36:37

Yeah, we must have discussed this because they started bubbling up as you're saying it yeah, go ahead go ahead.

Speaker 4: 1:36:43

Yeah, yeah, yeah they did. They were in a shipwreck and they did end up on an island, and they were there for 18 months and they not only took care of each other, but took care of each other to the point that I think one of them broke their leg or something and the other ones, like, mended it as best they could. Like in most situations, actually, people aren't gonna start cannibalizing each other. The second that they fucking can't Would a billionaire. Sure, I believe that I would not trust Mark Zuckerberg with my life in any situation. But if we got to the point where we are raiding Zuckerberg's underground bunker, it is because people are dying so much that we've all decided we need to overthrow this motherfucker. So I would like to have a security guard on the inside.

Speaker 2: 1:37:28

But it seems crazy to me. I'm like it's a volcanic island. You're surrounded by how deep. I'm like all right, whatever, I don't.

Speaker 4: 1:37:35

I will find a way to come kill you, mark. I didn't do it.

Speaker 2: 1:37:38

It seems crazy and also it's such a fatalistic notion to plan for the worst in that way. And also they sell shares. So there are companies that now sell shares of. It would be like a vertical, like a skyscraper, but going down almost like Silo the show Silo but a vertical sort of habitat. And if you can't afford you're wealthy, but you're not Zuckerberg wealthy you can still get a beautiful three bedroom villa in this thing and you pay for it your whole life. You keep making payments every month and I'm like for the eventuality that society crumbled, I'm like, okay, like the whole thing seems very, very crazy to me. But anyway, with regard to a Kufo, kufo have one of these places. I'm guessing he has.

Speaker 3: 1:38:36

Oh, I absolutely think, if he doesn't, he would decide Like he would want he would build one, but he would only build it because you know he needs to like he. Obviously he's not one of those.

Speaker 3: 1:38:47

He's not one of those guys I just wanted to highlight and we can share the link. But they did do an experiment where boys and girls a group of boys was left alone and a group of girls left alone in a house for five days and how that went. So the other Lord of Flies talk, maybe think of that so we can share that in the community as well. But I just sent you guys that link. It's very interesting.

Speaker 2: 1:39:13

Thank you, coach. So Sam says listen, I want to be honest with you, coach, pick this up here.

Speaker 3: 1:39:20

I don't see myself leaving Richmond to play for well, whatever team you end up owning one day which is funny because we know that so far he's not revealed that. Kufo says Sam, you are the fourth person to know this. In other words, if I hear this in the news, you're gonna end up drinking some of Putin's poison tea. I'm buying Rajablanca. I'm a Rajablanca in Morocco. My only focus in life will be to make us one of the biggest clubs in the world Bayern, united, psg, barcelona, casablanca. I will say, for all the other things that were done in this scene that rubbed me the wrong way as somebody who's kind of good at getting people to join in on some shit, that he's brewed, that he's hatched in the dark of the night, this was really well done, like season 3.

Speaker 2: 1:40:17

Oh, so you liked this.

Speaker 3: 1:40:19

No, I mean it's well executed.

Speaker 2: 1:40:21

Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh yeah, no, no, no, I wasn't sure if you're gonna go the other way. Okay, so you did like.

Speaker 3: 1:40:26

Yeah, no, I like even the way he uses his hands. He's like I'm showing you the future. I don't know, I bought it, hmm. And then we have the greatest African players around the world will come home to play for us. Mark my words, in years, in African? In how many years? 10 years, I think. 20 years, sorry. In 20 years, an African team will win the World Cup.

Speaker 3: 1:40:47

Sam, you inspired the world to care about what's happening at home. That's why I want you to come play for me. I want the incredible man you are not the footballer, although the footballer too is incredible Little charm, sam, thank you. I mean, you've given me a lot to think about. Please take all the time you need. Akufo says very gracious, and then he says you have 72 hours.

Speaker 3: 1:41:20

So that made me laugh, little bit jerky, but that was funny. And then, hey, please finish the Joel off. Huh, I insist, thank you, you know, I appreciate that you had it made the Nigerian way. Oh well, I thought that was funny. Oh well, I thought you'd prefer it, even though the Ghanaian way is better. So they go back to having their fun. Oh, I know we've been getting along, but I will. I will fight you on this one, and so then, playfully, let us fight then, and they both have a good laugh over the Joel off controversy. By the way, that is a real thing. I've seen people argue about it, so that is a real back and forth. That the Nigerians and Nigerians do is over who's Joe Off is the superior Right.

Speaker 4: 1:42:10

Okay, I'm pretty sure it's the one you find in Wisconsin, obviously.

Speaker 3: 1:42:14

In my experience, obviously.

Speaker 4: 1:42:18

So, as much as I think Edwin Akufo like this is my whole billionaire shouldn't exist. The tax code needs to be updated so people can't acquire that much. Well, it's fucking crazy. Eat the rich. Mark Zuckerberg doesn't deserve that shit. Fuck you on musk. But Beyonce and Rihanna, I know that I shouldn't.

Speaker 3: 1:42:42

You get it.

Speaker 4: 1:42:42

But number one, when things are so stacked against you and you do it, there's a part of you that's like fuck me, Get it, Do what you need to. And also, there has been outright theft of every African country and all of their shit is sent everywhere else. People are like oh, Africa.

Speaker 4: 1:43:04

What an impoverished nation. I fucking wonder our nation? Even I do it. I wonder how that happens that they're impoverished. Is it because you stole all their shit and put it in your British History Museum? Why is there shit from Africa in your museum? Yeah, Britton, what are you doing? That's not your shit.

Speaker 3: 1:43:25

There is a different vibe. There's a different vibe. Anything a Kufo does. He's always going to land differently in the conversation than Rupert does, but he just is Never mind. It just will yeah, if nothing else.

Speaker 4: 1:43:44

And because what Rupert is saying is oh, I'm going to give every African player the chance to be on defense for my team. I'm not going to judge him. Any African player who is good enough to play defense, only defense, and at least a Kufo, is like no man. Come back and get to play for the country where you were born, and not everybody wants to play Like.

Speaker 4: 1:44:10

John Oliver famously talks about how Britton didn't like him and he had to come to the US because nobody thought he was funny there and he loves being in the US, he loves America. So maybe he will always record. Maybe he is more USA than I am, but that should be a fair chance. Like becoming famous in England is on the same level as becoming famous in the US and the fact that there's such a discrepancy between the Pacific South or the. So what I'm looking for here the global South, I guess is what they refer to it as All of the countries that Europe went ahead and colonized the shit out of and took shit from, every single one of them should have the same chance to compete for the best players they can. And so presenting this even though I find him distasteful, I'm into it.

Speaker 3: 1:44:59

I get you, Edwin. Yeah, I hear you on that. I guess it's funny because I'm somewhere on that continuum, because I definitely get the sort of the eat the rich vibe Like I'm not, like I get it, I get it. I guess my big thing is more practical than a lot of my stances, which is, you know, we could end hunger and have billionaires Like that's the part that makes me crazy is I feel like it's like almost like what do you want everybody to have exactly the same? I'm like no, not exactly the same, but like can we?

Speaker 3: 1:45:34

not starve some people while. Okay, so that's it.

Speaker 4: 1:45:40

That number one. Obviously you're a socialist from what I'm hearing number two.

Speaker 4: 1:45:46

Yeah, no, it's just a fucking commie over here. So just because we have the funds, people shouldn't die? Yeah, no, it's that shit. It's. Nobody is saying that you can't be devastatingly wealthy, disgustingly wealthy. Having a hundred million dollars means you don't have anything you cannot get. You can do anything you want to for the rest of your fucking life, and we could take the 140 billion other dollars that Elon Musk has and hunger in the US, but he won't, but he chooses not to.

Speaker 2: 1:46:26

I'm going to share a visualization. There's somebody who did this great visualization of the wealth and it just you. It's about Jeff Bezos as well, but it's basically like shows you what a trillion looks like. If you can't visualize a trillion and you just start side scrolling and you just keep scrolling.

Speaker 2: 1:46:46

Yeah, and it'll show you like the GNP of the US and we go past it and then it's the world GNP and you're like, oh my God, like you just cannot believe. Yeah, it's obscene. And so, yeah, I mean, listen, the unintentional victim here in this speech by a Kufo is the Club Raja, which exists, and I would be like what the hell? Like this is a real club and saying, like Casablanca, nobody calls it that anyway, they call it Raja. But it's like saying you know the New.

Speaker 2: 1:47:27

York Yankees, the Boston Red Sox, and then like like a team, like a high school team, you know what I mean, because Raja's never can compete. It's not PSG, that's crazy, but it's interesting that this is the one that they frame, and it's also like that's also Morocco, it's not Nigeria, you know what I mean. Like so, yeah, anyway, the whole thing is complex. But, yeah, he does a pretty good job pitching, but you have the sense that Sam is still, you know, not fully. Yeah, sam's like I can't picture.

Speaker 3: 1:48:06

And I. There's also like an interesting unspoken I would call guilt trip built in. You know what I mean, like he doesn't actually ever say, or you could stay here and play for the colonizers, but it's kind of woven into the pitch and so does put Sam in an interesting position of like. If I like playing here, if I feel like this is the right situation for me, somehow it means I don't give a fuck about Africa, like what, wait what?

Speaker 4: 1:48:40

Yeah, yeah, and that's always a real big fucking issue too. It's so much of identity politics plays and not opposites, but slight differences off each other, where it's like the fact that women ever needed to have a conversation about how guilty they felt because either they decided to be a stay at home parent or they decided to be a working parent not even what they decided. The fact that that needed to be a whole fucking conversation where they felt guilty one way or the other is a way of coercing a person into your perspective where you don't need to.

Speaker 3: 1:49:16

You pray on their emotionality around it instead of saying I would like you to come play for this team that I'm gonna be great he's like, or else you could stay with Whitey you wanna stay with Whitey Seriously, and I'm glad you brought up the example you brought up because the number of women I've known personally who've shared like the deep, like serious levels of guilt they feel either about not being able to be the baked cookies mom or about whatever.

Speaker 3: 1:49:47

And it's real and I go. That is so interesting because I won't say I've never heard of like I've definitely. I know a lot of guys who are involved at school and like you know, but I can't think of a guy think, honestly, stays up at night over whether or not he could help with some bake sale. If you can't help, you can't help, I'll help you guys next time. Like whatever, like not in an ugly way, but just like why you know you were at work. It's not like you were, you know, tanning at any rate.

Speaker 4: 1:50:19

I'll buy some Girl Scout cookies from me, if that's what you want. You want me to send you to school some chocolate chips? Yeah, I can find it.

Speaker 3: 1:50:26

It could happen.

Speaker 2: 1:50:26

I mean I was tanning, but good luck with your bake sale. Yeah, no, that's tanning.

Speaker 4: 1:50:33

Sorry, I got a tan. I got a tan. I also only like to mention that, because I translated the Spanish poorly. I thought that the team name was Red White House. I was like well that's. That's interesting, but it's not Roja, that's Roja. That's different. That's funny, though, yeah, roja.

Speaker 2: 1:50:50

I was like hmm, roja Red White House. Yeah, roja Roja was the name of the lion in Aladdin, or the tiger in Aladdin, that's. That's what's her name, tiger. Princess Jasmine there you go, did I tell you how it was?

Speaker 3: 1:51:07

my Aladdin story. That was like the first, like they asked me the first time we hung out. She I had mentioned I hadn't seen Aladdin and she decided, oh, wouldn't that be nice? And so she like borrowed a copy of Aladdin for us to like hang out and watch at my room, and I was a broke college student. So I got my old change jar out and bought us a Chinese food feast and that's probably still one of my favorite dates we've ever had. True story.

Speaker 4: 1:51:33

Oh, that's so sweet. That's which was my reaction. I was like I don't really do I don't do a lot.

Speaker 3: 1:51:38

It's sweet, that's really sweet. I really liked that. I was like that's really nice of her. I like that.

Speaker 4: 1:51:45

Did I ever tell you my the Lion King story? No, oh, my boyfriend's dad died and then, like three days later, it came on TV and I was like you've never seen it. And then we sat and watched it and I was like, oh right, oh, my God, this is not oh. God. You shouldn't be watching this right now.

Speaker 2: 1:52:08

But boss is what Jesus.

Speaker 4: 1:52:13

I didn't mean to and he was fine he was. It was like not that serious of an issue for him, he was okay. But as yeah, as Mufasa was dying.

Speaker 2: 1:52:25

Watch Mufasa fall right here. You're gonna love this.

Speaker 4: 1:52:30

I think on the plus side, the only saving grace was he was like I'm a grownup, I'm a, I'm a 39 year old man, and this is a cartoon for children. I'm not really that interested in all this, so I think we just turned it on Really.

Speaker 3: 1:52:45

It's cause I will share. I went to and it was not three days late. I would have been a puddle, but it was about six months after my dad died. I went and I went with my nephew. So I had the very interesting experience of my nephew and I used to play Lion King when he was little, which is why I ended up taking him to this one, so I was always star cause he was in charge of casting and he was always you know so.

Speaker 3: 1:53:08

So you see my scar to me. But yeah, but, yeah, he but I'm sitting there next to him, so we have that connection. On the Lion King, so I had the experience of like associating myself with Mufasa on one side and with why did my brain just go blank? Main character Lion King. Simba.

Speaker 2: 1:53:29

Simba.

Speaker 3: 1:53:29

Simba, simba. I know I blocked that out but it's a whole other story. But anyway, simba on the other, and it was. It was hard, like it was. I found myself thinking like maybe this was not the cultural experience for this moment in my life.

Speaker 2: 1:53:45

Like it was it was a lot. Maybe this was not the call.

Speaker 3: 1:53:48

Yeah, so I get it. I get it. That was a good call.

Speaker 2: 1:53:51

I get to take the next hour and a half chronicling how much I hate the Lion King Really. Oh my God. I hate it. I hate everything about it, except for Be Prepared, which is such a great song.

Speaker 3: 1:54:03

That's a good yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:54:05

We were so excited about the Lion King, my friend and I, and we heard this song ahead of the show and then so we got into this one song, love Jeremy Irons and then thinking, oh, it's gonna be great. And then I just I hated the messaging, I hated the choices. I'm like I could not believe they made a show that you know whatever, where they kill off the dad in the first.

Speaker 3: 1:54:23

We don't have to have this conversation now. I it's crazy, actually seriously would love to have this conversation.

Speaker 2: 1:54:28

I'm very curious yeah, we'll do it. We'll do it. We'll have a very special episode.

Speaker 4: 1:54:32

Do me a favor never have that conversation with my younger brother, brian, because he loves the Lion King so much that even though our niece, the oldest one, was like at two, maybe three weeks old, she was a baby, baby, baby. When they re-released the Lion King and he insisted the entire family go. And when Rafiki holds up Simba to the masses, my brother picked up my niece and held her up in the theater?

Speaker 3: 1:55:01

Absolutely not.

Speaker 4: 1:55:04

Because he wanted everyone to know. Oh, my God.

Speaker 3: 1:55:07

Like supported her head.

Speaker 2: 1:55:08

It didn't say your brother loves the weed right Loves the right. Is that the same person?

Speaker 4: 1:55:14

Oh yeah, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Then that makes sense because, like I mean, the whole concept is following the dead.

Speaker 2: 1:55:20

And don't worry, because then a Chick-O-Billy ad anyway, it doesn't matter, so just do whatever you want it doesn't matter, babe.

Speaker 4: 1:55:27

You're not gonna find a lot of chambers who don't like weed. I just for to start, most of us like a lot. That's funny, and not just my. The Chambers family, like the larger the Chambers family. I one time said yeah, the two memories that remind me most of my childhood are BO and Pot, like that's. I was raised by hippies and I don't know what else to tell you. So yeah, now that's all true.

Speaker 3: 1:55:53

I like it Okay. They had them chambers like a hot box. I like it.

Speaker 2: 1:55:59

Yes, I like the thought that I would have to refrain from saying this to Brian, as if I would never meet him, as if I'd never be in the vicinity or be welcome around Chambers is.

Speaker 4: 1:56:08

Never no no, I would never be allowed into the nexus. Because, it's just, we prefer chain bite. Ha ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha ha.

Speaker 3: 1:56:20

Ha, ha, ha, ha ha ha, just you know as a note.

Speaker 2: 1:56:24

Ha ha ha ha Coach, where do people find you if they wanna find you? Ha ha, ha, ha ha ha ha.

Speaker 3: 1:56:32

I like that you just gave up. I like that you just like. You know what.

Speaker 2: 1:56:36

I'm done for this. I hit my, I hit my. That's it. Okay, all right, we're done On limit for the day. Ha ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha ha ha Put this away.

Speaker 3: 1:56:47

We align, we alignalignpcom. Our community. We are building, we are building. We are building. Come through, check us out, leave a comment, make it happen.

Speaker 2: 1:56:59

Boss, what about you?

Speaker 4: 1:57:01

So this week I'm going to say only at Blue Sky, because I haven't heard anything horrific about them yet. So at Blue Sky, is Dumbly Chambers All on worth? Also, I promise eventually writing at the antagonist, which is antagonistblogcom. I have like six different ideas floating around and I need to get half of one down onto the digital page and get that somewhere.

Speaker 2: 1:57:28

It's so frustrating to be. You can imagine, as a colleague boss. Being my boss is a very difficult situation, since I have to listen to her all the time. Since she is my boss Over at the blog site, I am her editor and this is the give a little bit about how the sausage is made. Boss will say on the message board she'll be like, hey, what about this as an idea? And it's such a great idea. And we all go yeah, jesus Christ, write that yesterday. Holy shit, it's not just me, it's the other, the managing editor, and then every other person on staff. And she's like, yeah, all right. And then she's like, actually, you know what? What about this idea? And we're like, holy fuck, yes, also, please write that. And then you get six ideas down the lane and none of them get written because, again, chain by like weed. So what I'm saying is chain by like weed.

Speaker 3: 1:58:24

Chain by like weed. That's her t-shirt.

Speaker 1: 1:58:26

That is definitely a t-shirt. That should be a t-shirt for you. That's fair.

Speaker 2: 1:58:30

Yes, but boss is full of great ideas.

Speaker 4: 1:58:33

I'm gonna do it.

Speaker 2: 1:58:35

And she's talented, she's got. She contains multitudes. Everyone, thank you everybody. Thank you for joining us for this episode. Thank you for sticking with us as we waltz our way casually through the rest of Ted Lasso season two. We will continue on with part six after this. I would love to say that 12 minutes left, including credits. I'd love to say it would be a six parter, but I think it'll. In my experience, we do talk. So thank you everyone. Thank you everybody for listening, for joining us. Please continue to support the show. It is what keeps the lights on.

Speaker 2: 1:59:20

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Speaker 2: 1:59:48

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Speaker 3: 2:00:41

Richmond.

Speaker 2: 2:00:42

Richmond.

Speaker 4: 2:00:43

Till we get.

Speaker 3: 2:00:44

I ain't get to be king anyway, cause that's awesome.

Speaker 2: 2:00:48

Yes, that's it. Yes, coach. Oh, thank you, that's exactly right. What a great way to end. All right, everybody, we'll see you next time. Thank you, coach, jesus.