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Producer: Thor Benander
Producer: Dustin Rowles
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Producer: Seth Freilich
Editor: Luke Morey
Opening Theme: Andrew Chanley
Opening Intro: Timothy Durant
MORE FROM COACH BISHOP:
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Align Performance: Coach Bishop's company
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Welcome to our Ted Lasso talk, the Tedcast. Welcome all Greyhound fans, welcome all you sinners from the dog track and all the AFC Richmond fans around the world. It's the Lasso way around these parts with Coach, coach and Boss, without further ado, coach Castleton.
Speaker 2:Okay, welcome back, beautiful people. Thank you for joining us today as we explore Ted Lasso season two, episode 11 Midnight Train to Royston. I am your host, coach Castleton. With me, as always, is Coach Bishop. Let us fight then. I love it, I love it, I love it, and there could be some fighting here, but you wouldn't. I'm worried because right before we started hitting record, our boss, emily Chambers, was telling us a story about you know, boss, why don't you recount the beauty of the story that you've just been telling us? Because I love stories that sort of reveal character and I think people would love to hear it.
Speaker 3:I was driving in Chicago my boyfriend was in the car with me A rat ran out into the street. I didn't swerve. I didn't swerve to hit it. I didn't swerve to avoid it. I did hit it. It was extremely smashed and as we were driving away, I cheered because rats are gross and they deserve to die. I know that they're smart and I know that they help eat garbage or whatever, but also they're disgusting and they brought plague, so I don't want them.
Speaker 4:I am now going to state publicly what I shared privately, which is that boss has a, a bab's strain. Yeah, wait a who? Oh, it's season two when we're going. We're not going to need rude. Okay, sorry about that.
Speaker 2:That's all right. That's all right. People who know will know.
Speaker 4:But yeah, yeah, it'll be fine. Others will just go. What just happened, right? Sorry about that, it'll be fine.
Speaker 3:Actually, before we move on, I mentioned a few weeks ago about how there was a character on Ghost Ghost's the UK version, a caveman, that I found myself attracted to. I forgot to mention the actor who plays him that also co-created and co-wrote the series is named Lawrence Rickard. I forgot to mention his name and I wanted to Number one, because I like to call him Lawrence, which is how Matt Berninger pronounces it in a song on his Elvive album. It doesn't matter, but he says West Florence and Avenue, and that's how I say it from now on.
Speaker 3:Also, I was watching a clip last night of Lawrence Rickard playing Robin the caveman on stage and even though this is the guy that created the character and portrayed him and wrote all of the lines and like had a lot to do with the development of this character, he said a thing in the middle of his reading and I was like Robin wouldn't do that. No, sorry Listen, I understand this character way better than you do, lawrence, and what I'm saying is that Robin would not do this. It's just a thing I know deep down.
Speaker 2:I like it For everyone listening. I'm glad you've gotten this moment to to hear boss just just confirm all the things we thought of her, and that's good.
Speaker 3:Listen, listen this is why I feel real ownership over characters that I like.
Speaker 2:No, no, no. This is good. This is really here's. This is why I mentioned my daughter's taking a class on fandoms in her in her call, and I wish I had that type of college. It's unbelievable. But she gets to just talk about you know what makes a fandom a fandom and that sort of thing. And this is this is when you get into it and you feel like kinship or you know closeness to a character or you really feel now, boss, all right, we're going to do what we got to get into the show.
Speaker 2:But I do, but I really want you told me something right before we got on which I loved so much, said the first time are the most you've ever been seen in a show. And so this is again. When we, when we reflect, we see how characters do things and we go, oh, identify this. This becomes part of my own identity. This is one of the reasons that this show, the Ted Lasso, was so important to coach and myself not speaking for boss, but two of us I know that we saw avatars that reflected what we were at least trying to become in certain ways, and then we got to see avatars of people like. For me personally, if you've been on this exploration with us, boy, I would love to have a little Roy Kent in me, and and not literally, thank you, boss, boss points Nope, not literally, but I would love to have that ability to be like and walk by someone I've never, never coached already dancing. Coach is dancing. I feel like we should start over. I don't like where this is going at all.
Speaker 2:You're not happy with the energy we cultivated in the studio.
Speaker 4:No, it's a season that is a season one. Ted cast recall Like that's what's so great about it, is we? It's great, it's great. Go ahead. You want to believe we left off at you wanting some Roy Kent in you Go on.
Speaker 2:Yes, that where we left off. Yeah, I don't like. I don't like how this is working, but I do want boss to to recount when she felt most seen on a network show.
Speaker 3:I'm Brooklyn 99. Jake Peralta, andy Samberg's character, tells Rosadillas that she was right and that Adrian Pimento was in fact a dirtbag.
Speaker 2:That's Jason. Jason met Zuccas.
Speaker 3:And she said oh damn it, I knew it. God, I can't believe I'm asleep with him. And Jake says Well, you don't have to. And she goes no, I'm going to. And that was the most I've ever felt.
Speaker 2:Now I'm going to After the confirmation that he was a creep while she still had agency is when you most felt seen.
Speaker 3:Yes, oh, damn it. Well, okay, no, this is actually a great way of a great little button for this, as Lawrence Rickard was doing the reading about Robin who was the caveman. So he has been stuck in this one area, this one haunted place, for like 30,000 years or something and he's recounting about how, like there was a tribe, we went hunting, it was cold, then I died, then everybody else died, but then nothing for a long time. Nothing, nothing went mad for a little bit more. Nothing Gikes shows up. I go mad again and I was like, oh, this is, this is why I'm broken. Like what he's recounting is the torture of isolation, like the horrors of being alone for thousands of years, with eons going nuts many times because of it. And I'm like so what's up with you? How's it going? What Like? Really, really Like. So I got like I was like, oh, you're so broken. And then I like settled up next to him, imagine nearly.
Speaker 2:There really is someone for everyone, folks.
Speaker 4:Hey, they're maladjusted.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, no, it's, it really is amazing. Wow, wow, wow. I the cross wiring is unbelievable. Where I'm not saying you're actually cross, I don't, whatever the wiring is, it accommodates everybody, you know, in some way or another, and you just you can find like minded people, and there are a lot of people out there. What I thought would never catch on was Aubrey Plaza. You know her her thing about, you know wanting to, you know crush. People are like her, like straight faced, and the entire generation of Gen Z is into it, like they. She reads letters of people right here and notes and things and tweets where people are like I want you to drive a car over my leg and she's like, yeah, I'll fucking do that. I'm like I don't know.
Speaker 2:What is so foreign to me. I remember I was watching. I was watching a soccer game women's soccer with with my then 17 year old daughter, and was like girl's doing a throw in this, this player, and she was got just jacked. Great arms, you know real muscular arms, does this throw in? I was like man, look at the arms on her, like wow, like you know what it takes to like get arms like that, how much work it is to get arms like that, and my daughter knows I wanted to crush me with those arms and I was like I don't, I don't understand what is wrong with this generation, laughed forever.
Speaker 2:But yeah, that's, it's a, it's a whole, it's a whole thing, it's a whole. Yeah, takes the people are the wiring is amazing, it's really amazing.
Speaker 3:Step on my throat, Adam Driver.
Speaker 2:Yes, you rudely large man that's the whole, john Oliver thing.
Speaker 3:Yes, that's the john Oliver thing. I watch it once a week. It's fucking hilarious.
Speaker 2:It's never not good. I don't know, maybe I do. Why is it so funny to the rest of us who don't necessarily have that programming it's? It's always funny whenever he says it. I'm like what a little bit, but like it works. Yeah it's not where it's not where my.
Speaker 4:It's not where my brain goes. I get when it. I mean, I think all replas is hilarious, but it's not like I could never write for her, not in a million years, because I'm like what, like no, that my brain just doesn't go to that.
Speaker 2:I'm picturing you going around the all replas of writer's room and all the all, the bunch of bunch of white women and we get to coach, coach or lender. What do you have for us? Yeah, I got nothing. I don't understand how you think you would never take this job. I need the health, insurance, I need the money right.
Speaker 3:Exactly. You wouldn't come up with the line. Shatter my knees, you, fuckable redwood, because that's the best shot.
Speaker 2:I almost I was taking a sip of something when I heard, when I first heard that and it almost went everywhere.
Speaker 4:Oh, my god, yeah, shatter my knees, that is.
Speaker 2:And then Adam driver comes on the head, love him. He comes on the show and tries to.
Speaker 3:You know, talk some sense into yeah, it doesn't I'll post it in the community site if you haven't seen it yet.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I was just gonna say I want to see. I want to see that I have not seen that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's pretty great. Okay, when we left off last time, ted Lasso, we had just been having a conversation with Sam and a Kufo the billionaire who was trying to woo him to Roger Casablanca, and we cut to Roy Kent hustling into man. This is a lot of action here. It's like a buzzing bees nest bees, hot bees nest bees, high beehive, be, beehive is beehive is correct, is that?
Speaker 2:the correct nomenclature for the residents of bees beehive. So so he is coming in, there's a lot of action and boss tell us what's going on here.
Speaker 3:There is a production assistant of some sort. She says Mr Kent, wonderful, we've got you upstairs. You'll start in a black suit, You'll end in a black suit too. Let's get real. Like it's Roy Kent, he's not going to wear anything else. And we'd also love to hit for Nikki to take a pass at your eyebrows. He goes up to the dressing room.
Speaker 2:That's it. We're not grunts. We're not we can't with the eyebrows anymore.
Speaker 3:He's so flustered about the eyebrows at this point. When he walks into the dressing room, Keely is there and the first thing he says is hey, I'm sorry, I'm late, which is interesting because it the second that his phone said it's time to leave. He left like literally he threw 100 quid on the table and immediately left.
Speaker 4:That's a good point. So, unless he was there boss, that's the problem. Yeah, His conscience was like I feel a little. I feel a little warm in the face for a guy who was stretched. It'll stretch yeah.
Speaker 3:Well it. This is exactly why Keely immediately says you're not late, babe, your outfit is in the corner. And then he says you look cool as fuck, which she does like. Her hair is slick back, which in a way that usually I don't love, but for some reason it works here.
Speaker 4:I had the exact same reaction. That's so interesting, because I was like I. If they had said to me, oh coach, you're in charge of this shoot and we're going to slick her hair back, I'd be like do not do that. Yeah, don't do it and I love it. So yeah, that's interesting. I'm glad you two agree, what a shocker.
Speaker 2:I don't like the hair slick back, but but because she's so beautiful, it's the one time I said she's one of the people where she can wear anything and I think she still can. Her hair slick back look great, but somehow it's flattened. Also, it's like people took like and like, went like this on her head. I'm like it does not be flat.
Speaker 3:Can you do that one more time so?
Speaker 2:the listening audience can see it. Yes, exactly. It's like they took a ruler and then pressed it to flatten the hairs. She's beautiful. Don't do that to her hair, Anyway. No, whatever, it's fine, it's not. She still looks amazing. It's not like she's not a you know, striking, but it's not my favorite look for her. But anyway, let's keep going.
Speaker 3:So he, roy, says how was suit shopping with Nate? And she says, yeah, it was fine. It's not fine, but she's not going to get into it right now. And he's. She says I know that you hate this stuff, babe, but it's going to be good. Yeah, please say that it's going to be good, because I'm really losing it. I'm so nervous. And he says you've done 1000 magazines. You did an advert for a service station where you jumped out of an airplane topless eating a hamburger. You can't be more nervous than that. I don't understand why any of those things go together. If you're going to eat a hamburger, usually you want a shirt on. At least I do. I spill a lot. It doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 4:Boss, this is where, so often and I thank you for this you have helped me to understand gender differences. I feel like right now. Maybe I can return the favor and explain that men are stupid. Yes, Okay. Oh okay, you can literally take anything and just add nudity to it, and the average human male will pretend that you've just split the atom and reach the height of entertainment.
Speaker 2:So just real, quality entertainment.
Speaker 3:I thought maybe you guys were going to explain that men get entirely naked when they eat, which is not a thing I was aware of. I've been to restaurants.
Speaker 2:Like I'll George Costanza coming out of the bathroom.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I forgot about that. That's funny.
Speaker 2:I really appreciate that the one time I've heard Coach Mansplain. It's too Mansplain. How dumb men are. I love that this is our Hallmark coach. This is what we're all about. Yeah, no, it is. I thought boss again. I thought boss is going to go a different direction and be like there's no wrong time to eat a hamburger. I mean, it wouldn't be my favorite time, but I expected a real hamburger, friendly take on that skydive.
Speaker 3:I mean burgers are fine. I wouldn't usually pick it first Like a sandwich or a pizza.
Speaker 2:Tacos for sure. So burgers, not a sandwich, absolutely not.
Speaker 4:Hot dog? No, okay, all right.
Speaker 2:Let's keep going, let's keep going, let's keep going.
Speaker 1:No no, let's go, we don't need to talk. Nope, you did it, coach.
Speaker 4:Nope.
Speaker 3:No, I just saw something.
Speaker 4:And you have yourself to blame.
Speaker 3:There is a single question to ask yourself, and that is if somebody said, like for a catered luncheon, if they said, and we're going to have sandwiches, and then you showed up and they had a tray of hamburgers, would you think, oh, those are the sandwiches they were talking about? No, you absolutely would fucking not. You'd be like they told us sandwiches and they gave us hamburgers. You know in that minute that they are not the same thing.
Speaker 2:You know it, so you're giving us the pornography definition. I know when I see it.
Speaker 3:Yeah. And also, if somebody said, would you like a sandwich, and then handed you a hot dog, you'd be like Well, this is a fucking hot dog, I'll take it, but where's the sandwich?
Speaker 2:I'll take it when they try to return, when they try to remove it. Whoa back off, yeah now.
Speaker 3:Now, give me some sandwiches.
Speaker 2:I mean, it's still food, God damn. All right, keep going, boss. As if that wasn't painful enough.
Speaker 4:Wait, I not to not to break up the unbreakable bond between sex and food that we've got going here, but also I think it's really interesting, after we experience the the what you want to do. What would you want me to do if you get hit by a bus today? Conversation where Roy was totally, totally not matching where Keely is that he he's not quite on the right note yet, but he immediately does hear what he refused to do that day, which is to try to like meet her where she is and help her from where she is. So I just want to point out that he is capable of it and I think he was in that particular situation brought out a desire not to go there, but he's doing it right now.
Speaker 2:The the anxiety thing can be difficult for some people. I know there was God, what was it? I always try to be a really good partner. There's something Juliana told me last week where it was like very Anxiety-based, concerned, so it was like I just worry we're gonna drive off the road or something. I'm like yeah, like yeah, that would be terrible, but I'm driving, never driven, never enough the road before car works, Like you know. It's like sometimes Because I want to be better, but I can hear myself being Very average in my response and I'm like no, no, I'm really.
Speaker 2:I kept a close my eyes, really, no, yeah, that I see what, and then I'll try to figure out. Okay, where's it coming from? Is this happening because of whatever? But sometimes it for me. Again, I am so far from perfect, it is a joke, but for me, I chalk that up into and my family's racked with anxiety, so, so I have to do it a lot. But sometimes it's and I don't, boss, didn't, I don't think you would do this, but or, coach, I don't think you might do. I'm not saying it's gendered, but sometimes people have a dream where you have wronged them and they wake up and they hold it against you. They're like how do you like? Yeah, there's so real to them yeah and they could see it and they saw you do it.
Speaker 2:It was really you. And they're like mm-hmm, you have it in you, nice, because I saw you do it. I am so on my heels by by conversations like that boss, you got nothing, your face has not moved. What, what, what's, what are you considering?
Speaker 3:I Wondering if maybe Juliana is afraid you're gonna run off the road because you keep closing your eyes while you're driving, Like you said you and then you close your eyes to think about it. Yeah, yeah, maybe that's it right. Yeah, maybe that's the anxiety.
Speaker 2:No, no we weren't driving at the time, but we're just sitting in the living room. I'm.
Speaker 3:That was teasing, Um also. Um, I Okay, so I don't get mad at people. If I have Like a romantic dream about somebody not a sex dream, but like somebody Right wants to date me, I will have a little crush for a second. It's usually movie stars. Oh.
Speaker 3:I'm like oh, oh, hey, and it's also always movie stars that I'm into, so like that's awesome, that's fine and shocker to absolutely no one who's ever met her. But my mother will be mad at people. But if she will know she will say, like I know that I had a dream that you did something wrong, but I'm mad at you like yeah, yeah, yeah I like.
Speaker 4:I like being aware of it and and going with it, like, not like being like what. In fairness, you did do it. No, no, no, no she.
Speaker 3:She's not even saying that, like she thinks that you might do it or the like she is mad that she had a dream that you did something mean to her. Like that is the thing that pisses her off. I love it.
Speaker 2:I come from a family of teasers and so if they you've told me this, oh, you know, you did this. In my dream you were with a woman and a and a yellow dress and you, you know we're flirting with her and okay, great, I know I didn't do it, but every time I see a yellow dress from then on, when we're in company up, you know we're together. I'm like oh, hey. No knock it off.
Speaker 3:Look at that.
Speaker 2:All right, so we got keely. She is, she is. She is conveying her or her nervousness about, about this particular shoot and boss. Keep going, please.
Speaker 3:Yes. So Roy is picking up on it and trying to comfort her through that and she says that this isn't that. It was about how I looked. This is about me. I had to do an interview like a real interview and they asked me my thoughts and my feelings and my goals for the future. When people read this article, they're going to see me, see the real me. And he says the real, you is fucking amazing and the whole world will get to see that you were keely, fucking Jones, the independent women. You're gonna kill it. So it was In all of the ways that coach mentioned that Roy might have not picked up earlier. This is very much a Keely is willing to be open and vulnerable. Roy is picking up on that. They are beat. This is also um.
Speaker 3:I Would like this level of Directness with anybody. Whoever needs to share feelings with me, please. Like, I try to be good, I try to pick up on shit, but what I need you to say is I am feeling this Because of this and I'm like, oh, I know how to operate with that. If you say I don't know, I'm just feeling kind of and then you can't figure out, fucking, I don't know how to. But if you say like, hey, can you Bring me a donut, yep, I can do that.
Speaker 4:Could you, could you affirm me I?
Speaker 3:could.
Speaker 4:That's right, that's right, yeah, so I validated feelings.
Speaker 3:I said that, yeah, no, I could say that's valid Absolutely. I can't.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this is um, this is very direct. His response is direct and some people like that, some people don't. Some people would view his response as a Really masculine take on it, like, well, here's the thing, here's the here. Let me give you the facts. Facts are you're awesome. Sometimes that's not gonna do it. Like you telling me I'm awesome Only makes me feel less awesome because I know I'm not meeting you know whatever. There's that avenue that people could go down. Um, I Wanted, I'm just wondering, allowed. This is the first time he's called her keely fucking Jones, and is it a reaction to her when he was nervous about going to be a Pundit for her saying you're Roy fucking Kent?
Speaker 2:and now he's just returning the favor.
Speaker 4:It did. It did remind me of that. Excuse me, whether the character himself is Doing that, I'm not a hundred percent, but I do think I mean what the fact that he's Roy fucking Kent, I think does play into like that's how we say Like exclamation point.
Speaker 2:Yeah, of who you are. Yeah, it's not like it's a different word. He does use the same word. Yeah, I think for the same, for being the plusrieben Orlando bitch if I say that's right, right. Yeah thats for me.
Speaker 3:Somehow, if I say Emily, fucking chambers. It just feels, oh, like you are full of scorn. That's exactly how you say it Youre full of scorn.
Speaker 2:Emily fucking Chambers. Exactly, I have to throw a ring of papers in the air as I say that before Sometimes in my presence.
Speaker 3:I've heard it, I think yeah.
Speaker 3:So actually I'm gonna do a little segue here.
Speaker 3:Roy fucking Kent has always been about the ferocity of his play on Friday, because the three of us do not talk about Ted Lasso enough on this podcast.
Speaker 3:We also text about it, and one of the things I brought up was that Roy Kent is reading in the first season, wrinklin' time. That's when he says you know, reading to Phoebe says that it has to be me, that I have to be the one and it's supposed to be his journey on being the team leader and the beautiful story about a girl who comes into her own, as Trent Trim said. One of the things that I picked up is that in the book, one of my favorite lines is when Mrs Witch says stay angry, little Meg, you'll need all of your anger now, right, which very closely parallels Nate the Great saying Roy fucking Kent in season one and giving him his speech and saying your speed and your smarts were never your strong suit. Right, your anger, that's your superpower, and I love so much that the show is able to acknowledge that, using anger in a way that can be productive and that can make you a better person, and that you could use as a resource.
Speaker 3:This is something Castleton. When coach and I were talking about it, he was like you are crazy. I don't understand the shit that you're saying about anger being a fuel source for you, but I did want to point out that Roy is seemingly overly not overly seemingly very aggressive when he plays very aggressive rough in his demeanor, but he channels that energy into telling Keeley you are Keeley, fucking Jones, like you are as badass as I am. You don't have to be afraid of this. You could tap into other things and use that, because you are as amazing as I know you to be in. The rest of the world is going to see that.
Speaker 4:There's a phrase that I wish you could see you through my eyes and to me. Both of them say that to each other in a number of ways over time, in dialogue, but almost in their relationship, like I feel like they both they see a really amazing version of the other and it's higher than what each might see of themselves or what they're capable of.
Speaker 2:It is nice when you get a relationship like that. There are two professional soccer players, women's soccer players dating each other. One is named Sam Kerr. She's, if not, the best player in the world, one of them. Unfortunately, she's a Torre ACL to Australian and just a great, unbelievable player. And she's dating an American named Christie Meos who is on the US team.
Speaker 2:Christie's great and every time they are interviewed they talk about how lucky they feel, how shocked they feel, that the other person would even glance at them. You know what I mean. They've been together, they're engaged now, but it's so nice every time I hear it it never feel it's never a lie. They both actually feel that way and they're both blown away that somebody of that caliber could like. You know what I mean and it's such a nice, it's such a beautiful thing if it happens in a relationship. I want to point out that, with Keely and Roy here, when he says this to her, this might be the most vulnerable face I've ever seen on Keely, like she really is at a point where she needs this, like what she turns her chair to him and looks at him and it is, like you know, childlike the vulnerability that she feels. So this is a key interaction between the two of them.
Speaker 4:Well, she's also very aware, maybe unlike anybody else on the show. Really, I mean, this was, this is how she made her livelihood. She is aware of what one does and how one presents right. She's the one who teaches Rebecca like, hey, take your hand, do the claw, step right this foot over here, right. Like she knows how to present it. Hey, dummy, wear this, don't wear that. Oh yeah, the no shirt actually does work. And there's something she says here, like there's something about this is not the part I'm nervous about, isn't the song and dance? I know I look good in this motherfucking vest. It's the other part and I think she taps into that in the character. I think you're right, there's a vulnerability here, but that's, that's the piece. Are you willing to let somebody, anybody, see that part?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 4:I'm actually going to be seen.
Speaker 2:Yeah, just like boss said once she was talking about, about Brooklyn Nine-Nine, like are you going to be right? And we would think, yes, coach, I know I cut you off, I'm going to come back, sorry, sorry. What I'm going to say is, for many of us, thinking about taking your top off, taking your clothes off for a professional shoot, would be more vulnerable, but for Keely she's like, oh, should I get my top on? Because for her that was her armor. They're not going to see me if they're looking at my boobs. That's, that's it. They are going to see the boobs. They're not going to actually look past that and see the real me.
Speaker 4:Go ahead, coach, no no, no, I think that's absolutely on point and in many ways, what she's been rewarded for. And I think that speaks also to all the things we say Ted Lasso about right, Like the fact that how in the world did she make it to this point in life and not have to at all reveal character to move forward? It's because she could just take off her top and sort of release the wheels of life, you know, and that's crazy, that's insanity.
Speaker 4:Anyway, I also think it's relevant that he squats. I think part of why you may also feel like there's a little girl quality to it is this does have some and not in a creepy way, I'm gonna say this, but it does have like I could imagine myself kneeling, squatting like this in front of Maya, before whatever the event is, and saying, hey, you got this kiddo. You know what I mean. The actual framing and position, the blocking of this is what I was looking for. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no for sure.
Speaker 2:I mean, they teach you this in acting school, they teach you this in hostage negotiations, there's all kinds of things Like teach you it when you're training a dog. People are blissfully unaware. When they train a dog they're standing, you know, three dog heights higher than the dog and yelling down the dog. But if you get down to the dogs whenever I meet a new dog I squat down so they're looking me right in the face and therefore can bite me in the face. That's not what it is, but you get down to their level. It's like, oh, it's much less threatening than having like this giant looming over you. You know what I mean. So yeah, he gets down to her level and they can relate at that level. She says she'll keep my top on and he says, maybe for one shot he shrugged that maybe for one shot.
Speaker 3:We'll see. I would like to mention number one. If I walk into a room, I'm saying hello to the children, the dog, and then the humans, the grownups, in that order. Every single time there. Absolutely no way am I gonna walk into your house and say hi to you first.
Speaker 2:I get it Not if there are other things from around, they're all more interesting than the adults most of the time anyway.
Speaker 3:I'm sorry, but every single time If you've got a cat that will, let me pet it, I'm gonna do that too. I would also like to say, in addition to Rosadillas, I felt extremely seen on the TV show Ghosts Again, when Kitty said I wish I could see his calves. So I just there's. I have many sides, Guys, you wanna make that clear?
Speaker 4:I have personally witnessed some women going crazy over a guy's calves and I was so fascinated I was like, is that right? Like I remember, like really, like in an almost like an anthropologist, like we were in a whole setting and these two like Giddy, like grabbing each other's arms, like oh my God, oh my God. And I was like really.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, I mean, I figured, this is why people watch soccer or football, like what else what are the reason?
Speaker 4:is there, I get it.
Speaker 3:Have you seen the asses on these guys? Cause I have. I really have.
Speaker 2:No, no, no yeah, for sure, but that's a real. I really get this song by Frighton Rabbit, which, frighton Rabbit, the lead singer, passed away a few years back. But there was a Scottish band and there's a song. This song called the Twist and I'm paraphrasing the lyrics. But basically he says why don't you hike your shirt, your skirt, up enough to show me those shins? And I'm like, yep, yep, I somehow I never thought this before, but okay, like I'm with it, like I don't know, it feels so, it feels very Scottish to me, but I love it, absolutely love it.
Speaker 4:I also think it's interesting. I mean, the shins thing is probably an even clearer version of that Cause. I've definitely noticed, kaz I was just, but anyway, but what there's a moment in pulp fiction where Bruce Willis' girlfriend and it's been many years now, so I don't remember the character's name says you know, she had a pot, she wished she had a pot belly, and they're going back and forth and she says it's interesting how often what we say is sexy isn't what is actually like, the sexy feeling or something like that. Like, basically like and I have found that to be true Like we all are like oh, you know, is it? You know breasts or is it? And I'm like sometimes, and then sometimes it's just that little part of your ribs over here, that kind of turns. I'm like, hmm, nicely done. You know what I mean? I'm like it's all so weird.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that is bizarre. Yeah, but it's very true. So Keeley says thank you to Roy, she laughs and says thank you, gives me a kiss, and it's a nice moment between the two of them. And now we're into the shoot and you know she's a pro, she knows what she's doing, I mean she looks great.
Speaker 4:This could be the whole episode Now. I'd have been like, yes, bravo.
Speaker 2:Just watching, just watching, still takes of Keeley yeah wow, it's good. It's really good. I get it. Roy is watching, you know, among the group of people he's enjoying it, smiling his face.
Speaker 4:Doesn't mean he looks impressed, but he also looks proud, which I really enjoyed. I he's Roy fucking Kent, like people have, I'm sure, over the years all the watch stealing girlfriends have been through here and have come and sat in the stands and watched him, but how often has it been his job to just sit there and appreciate how great his partner is?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, we talked about this on this show on our podcast several times, but I will reiterate that the people you surround yourself with should be able to root for you like it's a victory for themselves If they don't. Yes, they can't.
Speaker 2:Yes, I just just evaluate that because I know there's so many people of different you know different walks of life who listen to us and just make sure that your core group is can celebrate you in the way 100 percent that you would celebrate yourself. It's just so. It is so rewarding to have a victory and share it and feel the goodwill. One of the things I remember kind of toughest part, one of the toughest parts about being in Hollywood is that your friends would really root for you but also really rude against you.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it gets weird sometimes. It's funny to witness, actually, when you're not directly involved and you kind of watch it, it's like wow, it's deep.
Speaker 2:It's. It's strange because a lot of people are working for the same jobs or same gigs. But, you know, when your friends have victories that really mean something to them, you should celebrate it like it's, like it's your own. You should be there with them and be able to experience it, and that goes both ways. That's that's I'm telling people to evaluate how your friends treat you, but that that's the narcissistic point of view. Also, evaluate how you treat your family and friends and see, assuming they deserve it, boss, boss will put a caveat. You know, don't just you know treat everyone the same way. But if, if you are attempting to be a great friend to someone who really deserves it, or a great partner or a great parent, or you know, really celebrate those moments as if they're your own.
Speaker 4:We are now in the bar with Well yes, yeah, yeah, no, no, no, no one else, no one can talk Go ahead boss, go ahead, boss, you got it, you got it, boss, I've said the final word on the subject.
Speaker 3:I was only going to say you were correct, actually. Ok, yeah, how about that? Sure, but no that the way that he is looking at her is very reminiscent of how she looked at the end of season one when she told Rebecca like I don't actually care that much about football, except now I do.
Speaker 4:So you're right, it's the same energy. You're right.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's now he. He doesn't like photo shoots but he likes doing it for her. I'm not sure if I mentioned, but Mike Brabiglia has a standup set where he talks about this car accident that he was in and how eventually it led to him and his girlfriend, who he always said like he didn't believe in marriage and he didn't want to get married because he'd seen his parents' marriage and he figured I don't need that, that's not for me. And so at the end of the set he talks about how a few months later, they went down to City Hall and they got married. I still didn't believe in marriage and I still don't. I still believe in marriage, but I believe in her, and so I'm willing to do that. That's it right, and so that? Yes, so I feel like this is the case. Neither one of them likes this thing, but they like each other enough. I'm going to go do this stupid fucking photo shoot, even though my eyebrows are fine.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean I'm cool with that. As long, I hate when people, yeah, marriage is a thing I can talk about all day, but as long as she's also doing that for him, then I'm cool on some other level. All right. So we're in the bar crown and anchor here and, coach, why don't you walk us through what's going on?
Speaker 4:All right. So we cut from the wonderful photo shoot in the Hornets' Eicycle that Coach Igloo, the coach, described earlier. And then we've got Sam walking, smiling. It's like, okay, you know, he's got a lot on his mind. He looks like like you would even think like somebody who just fell in love or might be falling in love, just met somebody special. So he gets a call coming in his cell phone hello, dad. Yeah, it was incredible. He's that's, he's going to recount, so he knows why his dad is calling.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, he took me to a museum and then we had Nigerian food. Definitely the vibe here is you try to sweep me off my feet and it kind of worked Like that's, that's, that's definitely the vibe. He's, he's impressed. And I thought, after we had some of our previous conversation about this episode, it seemed interesting to me that he didn't have any issue with all the renting of people. That's not something he commented on Like hey, hi, yeah, we just had a totally fabricated day, like that was not his take on it, which is fine, it's fine, but I just thought it was interesting, since we spent so much time thinking about that element of interaction in fairness, I didn't really have that take either, until I watched it 40 times.
Speaker 2:So well, yeah yeah it took me a little while to get there, when I was like, wait a second, what are we really looking at? You know, like I'm not sure in the moment, I would have that that. It feels like a lot of like a Hail Mary for your benefit would probably feel pretty great. But yeah, you're right, it does not come up with his dad.
Speaker 4:He definitely felt like the bell of the ball and that part worked.
Speaker 3:Well, I sort of wondered and I obviously have not had this experience but if he hadn't been Wound by Richmond before he got there, like if this would have been a case where he felt like he was extremely lucky to be getting on the team and so they wouldn't have taken him to lunch.
Speaker 3:It would have said like yeah, we're bringing you up, and now that he is like a player who is doing well enough that people are going to come from Ghana in order to try to convince him to be on their team, and whatever you're doing in that situation, it's going to be flattering. Like, even if you decide you're not going to be working for the company, having them trying to get you to join their team is got to be good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, being wood feels really nice. We had. We had a little interstitial in there of of Dr Sharon and Ted at the bar just laughing. We cut. It was real quick, super fast cut just to try to move. Let the roll that cart forward a little bit and we get Sam talking to his dad. We know his dad is principled, we don't like know his dad per se at this point, but we, if someone is going to notice something along like those lines you would imagine his dad might, might start asking questions about, about all that stuff. Then we cut back to the photo shoot. Now we have. We have this beauty shot, very serious, high fashion, hook, couture sort of shot of Keely leaning against us sitting Roy no smiles, you know, very, very staged and lit. And I thought I remember thinking I wonder why it's not her sitting up and him leaning on her. I thought, hmm, it's really interesting choice. But then they mixed up the positions and I thought, ok, just trying a bunch of stuff, god Coach.
Speaker 4:Well, I think the first shot is incredibly relevant because she is absolutely, totally in frame and he really just helps frame the shot of her, like our shot, not the photographer's shot, and based on what's happening here the switch they've got going on how Roy might be feeling about being, you know, the guy with the crazy eyebrows as opposed to the star of the show. I thought it was significant that we started, that we started there Also because we're accustomed to seeing fragmentation of the female form, but not so much of the male form, by which I mean sorry for those who aren't familiar with that just, there's a whole thing around women's bodies and how they're presented and there's a lot of like, like, like Graphic decapitation and what are like just isolating women in terms of their body parts, which we'd never do like in a conversation about shins and shit. So my point is that yeah, no, no, no.
Speaker 3:But don't really just just just the shins on display, like one of those, like shadow box things Exactly Just lifted up. All right, there we go.
Speaker 4:So. But I think it's significant that that they don't show Roy in that first moment fully like he really is, just Her adornment. They switch up, that's right.
Speaker 2:Coach, Thank you. They switch out the positions and now we have Roy and Keely. You know, face to face. We get some some chatter in the background from the photographer looking for different lens. She's like switching lenses will only be a second Before you move on, because this is big and I'm not going to want to come back to a small thing Black woman photographer, simple enough.
Speaker 4:I did notice that, yeah, and I just thought, like this show makes choices that I think should be called out, because when a different kind of choice is made, I call that out and I think rightly, but I think this show consistently makes choices that I appreciate, like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah no, that's a good, that's a good call, so they're looking here at each other and then coach walk us through this conversation. Thank you, so alright.
Speaker 4:So earlier when I was suit shopping with Nate, there was a little misunderstanding and you can see Roy is like, uh, key, like I would hate to have to kill someone. And he said and, and Keely says he tried to kiss me. It wasn't a big deal, but I just thought you know, you should know, to which Roy says shit. That must have been awkward, right. So he chuckles, so right there it's. It's almost as if, like Phoebe's friend kissed me Like you know what I mean. Like, like, it's like, it's like, so like the idea that there's a threat to him. There's no threat.
Speaker 4:Yeah, like, yeah, it's like. Oh, that that must have sucked. Thank you for telling me. Now he's sort of knowing that he's been carrying around his. Sorry I'm late, but I'm not actually late, but I'm kind of late because my heart's still back in that classroom. I was talking to Phoebe's teacher earlier for three hours and at the end she asked me if I was married and I just said no, nothing else, okay.
Speaker 2:I don't know why I don't know why.
Speaker 4:And then, long as we confess and shit, and I was cringing because I was like, oh dear God, no, sometimes secrets are good, keely said at the funeral, jb told me he still loves me. Photographer on cue, okay, here we go. Turn to me. So Roy looks like he just got punched square in the nads, just, and she looks very sad. She knows this is going to wound him and now it's time to take pictures for the magazine. And so they both turn and face us. They're all over the place and they could not look any further apart in a frame where they are squeezed together. And I just think it's beautiful framing, beautiful acting, beautiful lighting, great, just wonderfully done to take these two people who are up against one another and basically throw them to the ends of the earth.
Speaker 2:It's also a reframing of the American Gothic shot of the farmer and his wife. It was a pitchfork, oh, it's got that kind of thing, except they're both absolutely yeah, great, great, wow, full consternation on their family. I'm like the pleasantness of the faces of the farmer and his wife. You have the. They both look like they are going through it in this modern world. And one thing I liked about that interaction was after the. I don't know why, when he so we get the Nate thing doesn't impact them at all. Neither one of them Like oh God, that sucks for you, but no, it doesn't. There's no wedge between them.
Speaker 2:And Roy gives, he shares his confessional and he's like I don't know why, huh, like he's trying to figure it out, but like he's figured out with somebody that matters to him, like it's like his best friend at the time, basically like this is important and he wants to have it out.
Speaker 2:And they do some really good camera work here, because you know, when you're framing up a two shot, you have this straight on two shot that we're looking at at the very end, which he says turn to me. But when they're facing each other, you have the over from the side of Keely and then an over from the side of Roy. So it's like you know, you're kind of featuring your. The cameras is behind Keely's shoulder and then behind Roy's shoulder, and so you're looking at them that way and what it does is they do a bunch of, instead of holding on one single shot which would favor whatever shoulder they're on, whatever person they're on, the camera blinks back and forth to see, like to allow them it almost like pantomimes them processing the information and uses editing to do it, which you just plain don't see. It's really, really, yes, a bold choice, because no one's talking, we're just, we're just going back and forth and, yeah, go ahead, coach.
Speaker 4:I hadn't noticed that as such. I think you're absolutely right about it and I love it. Also, though, I would say they thought of us, which, like you, of course, they did with the audience. But I like really they thought of us because for two reasons for me. One is I'm not on either side. I am on Roy and Keely please live happily ever after, because I need things to believe in side. So I don't have like a side Like I'm not like oh, how could you worry? How could I like no, no, just don't fight, mommy and daddy, like that's all I want, like just don't fight, right, so, like that.
Speaker 4:So I just thought it was a great way of not favoring either of them, which I don't Like. I love them both. I want the best for them both. Also, though I thought it was interesting, they both feel guilty, although nothing here qualifies as infidelity as such, but I think what they're both admitting in, what they didn't do, is but a felt something. There's a reason also. Yes, roy's reaction is different, but Keely's delivery is different. One is like awkward.
Speaker 4:And the other is like somebody whose penis has been inside me still loves me, and I think we both know that he's hotter than goddamn the core of the sun. So you know I mean like, and when he says about the teacher. I'm pretty sure he didn't picture a. Lollipop sweater over there. I'm sure she got that, like there's a that. You may not know the whole reason, but probably part of the reason, is who was doing the ask. So, like they both, it's an interesting moment.
Speaker 3:I find it so not amusing. Obviously this is how we work, but interesting that what you immediately thought was just don't fight mommy and daddy, and what I read into this was it feels like both of them love each other enough to recognize that there are things about the relationships that are lacking.
Speaker 4:Yes.
Speaker 3:This isn't like they're not going to have a fight because one of them did something that the other one was pissed off about. This might not even be a fight. This might be a like even though we love each other. Are we in a position where this is going to be the last relationship for the rest of our lives? And it reminded me of the wedding speech at the end of season two of Fleabag, where the priest says I would recommend it, it was good. I didn't love it as much as everybody else did, like it didn't change my life, but I thought it was amazing. That's right.
Speaker 3:And also Andrew Scott is fucking gorgeous. Somehow still hotter is more I already on Sherlock because there's so much wrong with me. But what he says at a wedding, the priest officiating a wedding says as his speech love is awful. It's awful, it's painful, it's frightening. It makes you doubt yourself, judge yourself, distance yourself from the people in your life, it makes you selfish, it makes you creepy, it makes you obsessed with your hair, it makes you cruel. It's all any of us want, and it's hell when we get there. So no wonder we don't want to do it on our own, holy shit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's great. No, it's really good.
Speaker 3:It's really really good Way to go. Phoebe Waller Bridge, phoebe Waller Bridge man Fucking great. And so it felt like this was a case where being in love wasn't about making the other person do what you want them to, or be in love with you or care about you or any of those other things. It was kind of a figuring out the extent to which, even though they love each other, there is some shit they've got to get worked out.
Speaker 2:Yeah, for sure yeah. I just want to point out that once upon a time, it was diriguor to keep things from your significant other.
Speaker 1:It was, like you know, husband you know right, it was like a thing.
Speaker 2:It was like, wow, that's not something I tell my old lady, but, fellas, bring it on in. Let me tell you what you know. There's that stupid 1950s sort of paradigm and like, oh, even, even. But it goes both ways, like, oh, I could never tell my husband that. You know, you have you have brutal things about wives getting I think a marvelous Mrs Maisel did it better than I've seen where she gets out of bed before he's awake, puts her makeup on and lays down next to pretending that she is amazing, looks like that. What you mean is so brutal.
Speaker 2:Anyway, over the years we have, we have largely abandoned that in favor of well, I would say, it weirdly splits along political lines, I think. But you have some. You do have some families who still believe that, which which I think leads to all kinds of problems. But if you are trying to be the avatar that we talk about and trying to be a modern relationship, then you, when you, even if it's not a transgression per se, it does hold some guilt because you are trying, you've made this, you've made this agreement, you've made it, you've made a compact with your significant other. And this is why I love to talk about marriage and love to talk about, why not to get married and why you know, when you see divorce rates hovering around 50%, why it's amazing that it's not higher. Because you get together with someone in your 20s or 30s, right, and you think, okay, we're gonna, we're gonna have this relationship, we're gonna have, we're gonna have, we're gonna make a deal here, we're gonna, we're gonna be together. And so many people like I'm, like there should be absolute mandatory counseling for people to be like, hey, do you know what that means? Like, do you understand that it's not just now husband and wife, those are two titles that mean other things. That's, that's the okay, that might be the title, right, but or and I don't want to be a heteronormative so it could be wife and wife. It could be husband and husband, okay, but what does that mean? That means? Or throuples, I guess. Yeah, I'm not as familiar, but, yes, great, so whatever.
Speaker 2:But whatever the whatever the arrangement is, it also means roommate and it also means bedsharer, oftentimes, and it also like so it comes down to like you know, like agreeing on sheets. It's funny because in my life, I love flannel sheets and Juliana hates them, and she just bought these new sheets that are like the slickest things I've ever seen and I'm like, what are we? What is this? But? But I'm like, okay, fine, I have less of a problem with her sheets than she has with my sheets. So I'm like, okay, great, I'll happily do you whatever. But I'm saying all of these little things we talk about boss the hair and bosses apartment. You have to live with those things.
Speaker 2:But you also become planning partners. You also become financial. You become a business together. You become household CEOs together. There's all of these. You become okay. Now, when I go to a work function, I'll present you as my partner. I have an expectation for that. That means you have to do X, y, whatever, whatever the case may be. There are a number of other roles that you're, that you are absorbing, and it to me it's amazing. First of all, people are not aware of them. Second of all, that people focus on the wedding more than they focus on the marriage. And third, that it's not just more common. And so when I see by that I mean more common that people are vastly unaware. Older generations are not giving everybody the 411. They're not pulling their kids aside and largely en masse, saying you know what? This is not just like lust or whatever. Or this is not just attraction, this is like and God forbid children come into it. It becomes like 10 or 15 more jobs.
Speaker 3:That is what you always want to hear a parent say God forbid children come into it.
Speaker 2:It's amazing how much we whistle past the graveyard with the decision of this magnitude and then are shocked when it doesn't work out. And I can speak for experience on that.
Speaker 4:So I have several reactions to that. One is, yes, right, and it's funny because I know, like some, we had to go, you know, half a day on a Saturday, which you know so we could get married in this Catholic ceremony, which I'm not Catholic. I also think a half a day on a Saturday probably wasn't adequate to do all the things you just described, but at any rate, that's what they did there and I know that some churches have those kinds of classes. I think one of the tricks in terms of what you're describing is you can't really have a curriculum and this is going to sound a little bit like commercial. It's not a commercial, it's not something that I'm working on right now actively, but we have to.
Speaker 4:We developed something called line somebody you know I'm called align relationships and one of the things about it is that it's actually doing what you just described, coach, like treating it the way you would if you were starting a business.
Speaker 4:Actually, you go through essentially the same process that you would if you came to me and said you were going to start a business and I've now delivered it like to a married couple, and I'm seeing like it is more alike than people would think. So I think it's less that you two are going to have to figure out the thread count on the sheets or the texture of the sheet, and it's more you're going to have to figure out what you want this partnership to look like, what it actually looks like. That's the part and what you're going to have to do to make it look like that, which is different Because I can promise you I mean, I would love to think that whatever I can promise you there are. There's a list of guys who have, in the decades I've known Daphne, hit on her or whatever, who she has said best. I not tell Orlando that.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, it was one time, it was like three times she had an eyelash.
Speaker 3:I wasn't trying to hit on her, she had an eyelash.
Speaker 4:I was just going to say I'm more worried about boss than coach, but it's more about boss than it does coach. But you know what I mean and part of me does go. Yeah, you know what. I don't know that. I need to know that because when I go to like whatever to the next, blah, blah, blah, and I see this guy and I you know what am I going to do? Choke him out Like you know, like as long as it's not a problem. And so there's part of me that here's what you're saying and think, yes, if I in a vacuum would say tell and noise, and you know. But then there are other times.
Speaker 4:I had a woman and I did say, because I was like this took a turn who hit me up. It was very strange. Facebook connected yes, we went to the same high school, but you know we weren't like friends, like that and started like confessing what was going on in their marriage to me privately. But people do that Like. People meet me at parties and tell me all their shit.
Speaker 4:But then it started to turn and all of a sudden the word crush started getting used a couple of times and I was like oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, daphne, I have a string of messages you need to see ASAP, because I was like we've now crossed over into something like I thought there was energy. But I'm just being a nice guy, let me talk out your problem, offering you advice I could. And then it took a turn where I felt like the line has officially been crossed and now this does need to be escalated to the old marriage interoffice memorandum. So I don't know, yeah, I'm not sure everything, but in a way, yes, every. I don't know Boss is nodding so I wonder where she lands. And all this.
Speaker 3:Well, I was going to say you. Obviously I get the same treatment very often People just reaching out left and right to wanting to connect and talk to me.
Speaker 2:That goes without saying. We assumed that I'd rather need to.
Speaker 3:It's probably yeah, it's probably my energy. I'm just like very open and people approach me a lot. No, what I was actually going to say is that I think there is always some agreement about working out the terms of service of a relationship, which sounds so weird to say like obviously, that's not your wedding brows to be, but it is that A buddy of mine. This was years ago, before he met his now wife, and I'm not going to make any assumptions about her, but one of the things he said was when he gets into a relationship, if he thinks it's going to be serious, the first thing he does is try to get her to fart around him as soon as possible. He's soon into the relationship as he can be like no, it's fine if that happens. And I was like do you want her to feel comfortable or what he's like? I want to be able to fart in front of her. I want it to immediately be where this is fine.
Speaker 3:And I was like well, you should put that in your profile, I guess, because that is a very specific thing you're asking for. Well, or maybe he was into farts, I don't know. He's like it made it. From what I could tell, he just didn't want to have to Be that uncomfortable in his own home.
Speaker 2:But yeah, no, no it's. You're up up by a part of the country with a lot, of, a lot of dairy farms, so I understand.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and beer. And right, exactly a lot of red meat, cheese and beer.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yep, that'll do it. I'll do the trick with Roy and Keely. My, my, my, my understanding of their characters is they both have trust issues and a large part Like hiding little. The little corners that dust collects in if you don't sweep them out with your partner, gonna lead to bigger problems down the road, and I like that they had this sort of confessional, I think it's. It feels like I don't want to say funny, but it feels comical in a way that we just talked about how Keely feels vulnerable not Taking her top off. So she has this level of vulnerability which probably contributed to some emotional vulnerability which probably affected the the nature of this conversation While they're being photographed which is like yeah how about not now like could we do this?
Speaker 4:Yeah, that's the thing. Yeah, that was that, obviously, and it was done quite a bit right, because this Couple I would expect to be able to work through some of what we're talking about, but instead, because of what you just described, they have to sit with it and we get to watch them sit with it, and that's a lot. It's brutal.
Speaker 2:It's brutal. So we get the the shot of them. The American Gothic shot cameras are flashing and then we cut to coach, coach lasso, and we get dr Sharon there on the pinball machine and boss, walk us through this please.
Speaker 3:Coach says, well, well, well, look, who knows her way around. A pinball machine, huh. And she says I love pinball, it's one of the most entertaining forms of meditation. The only opponent is yourself and gravity, which I do the same thing anytime I walked on the street, so like it doesn't need to be a pinball machine. Sometimes you're just clumsy at funner and Ted says, yep, the two things you stuck with, at least until that Elon Musk fellow stops messing about on Twitter and starts focusing on jet packs. That might, in age, very well, not great not great Bob not great, bob.
Speaker 3:And so then Ted is watching her enter her name on the high score and he says mmm SMF, huh. So let me see Sharon Mildred Fieldstone and she says sexy motherfucker. Obviously that that just makes better sense.
Speaker 4:I loved all of this. As you all know, for me the doctor sharing Ted love story in the broader sense of a love story is one of my favorites, and Not just on the show, like that I've watched. I love how they've gotten to know each other. There's something about knowing somebody's actual middle name. That does feel like an instant like I know you better than I did a minute ago and I'm not a hundred percent as to why that is. But okay, it is. But then I thought to flip that, so to have that moment of like, hey, you're gonna tell me things about yourself. Well, kind of, because actually I'm not gonna tell you my middle name, but I am gonna declare and that I'm relaxed enough around you to talk like this and that I'm a Prince fan. And then they can have a moment where, oh yeah, you're a Prince fan. Well, I'm enough of a Prince fan and know that a Prince fan would know who the fuck mr Nelson is. Mm-hmm Cheers. Yes, they like clean, like they're like. Yes, we get who is mr Nelson.
Speaker 2:Prince, prince.
Speaker 3:Real name Prince Nelson.
Speaker 2:No, no, his name is. His name is Prince, his born Prince, just Prince.
Speaker 3:Literally nothing to do with Ted lasso, but shout out to Animaniacs for having a joke back in 1993 when on a case Um Yako says Dot get Prince, and she's supposed to start dusting for Prince, and when she comes back carrying Prince he says no fingerprints. And she just looks directly at the camera and is like I don't think so and I didn't. Yes, exactly, wow, that show rocks. I'm so glad I spent all of my afternoons inside watching Animaniacs and Tiny tunes, because it's fucking worth it. Now, dark wing duck, you fucking rock.
Speaker 2:All right, so we get, we get. This one's gonna be on me. They go back to the bar. This is gonna be on me Actually. No, you know what's gonna be on you, mr Dr Money bags and I think that's a. It's funny if you're, if you're a people pleaser and I can't tell you how many times I have gone into debt by getting around or paying for the dinner, or you know what I mean. I know coach will understand this. Boss will not have any idea. Yeah, yeah, no, no, like go into fucking debt, like I cannot afford this holy shit about it. No, I got it. I got it like whatever cuz. I'm trying to be good. Oh, no, I.
Speaker 3:I, I've done that shit before, I've absolutely done that shit before. Really, oh good, oh good, yeah, oh yeah, you're as dumb as the rest.
Speaker 3:Oh God, yes, and you, the worst, the fucking worst friend of mine, one of the five. My friend from high school lives way out in the suburbs and so for her birthday I go out to see her. It's me, her and three of her work for it Like good friends now. But the issue is, I am used to being able to drink and these bitches, these fucking teachers, these elementary school warriors, put me under the table every goddamn time.
Speaker 4:I've been, I've been around some gatherings of teachers and let me tell you, jesus, fucking Christ, if you ever meet a kindergarten teacher, do not, but Fucking do not.
Speaker 3:They will murder you. And the point is it'd be like I love these ladies and by the end of the night I'm always like you guys are great and I am fucking drunk and your teachers I'm gonna buy all, I'm gonna pay for every drink, every drink. And then the next morning I'm like Jesus, fucking Christ, I got teacher to get and happen to get.
Speaker 2:At least you're drunk when you do it, I do it. I don't, well, I don't do it anymore. I just am honest now, but once upon a time in my 20s I would be like oh no, I'm a big man, I can foot. Stupid, so stupid. Where does that come from? But but yes, I like the Ted. I like the Ted. You know it's still gonna be on you, dr Money bags.
Speaker 3:And what does he say here, boss, if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna go hit one of my favorite British words and my absolute favorite, diamond Phillips the Lou.
Speaker 4:I actually thought of coach when that was when that line happened. I feel like bought of coach, oh Wow.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that one, not even my favorite. So I just, but I immediately was like I will tell you, I will say, as the British word I thought doesn't make me laugh, like I'm not and I'm not sure why. I find it funny. I Get it, different places call things different, but I don't. The Lou just makes me laugh every time. It said, like, even in a random show where it's not a comedy, I just find it a little bit funny to call the bathroom that.
Speaker 3:But yeah, you don't like calling it the pisser.
Speaker 2:I Thank you for your many contributions to this podcast. This is where you get.
Speaker 4:American Gothic pisser abortion jokes.
Speaker 2:Let me tell you something yeah.
Speaker 4:We and the Lou bring it all. We bring it all.
Speaker 3:Also, I now want to. I don't know how this would work, but I want stone Phillips and Lou diamond Phillips to be in a band of some sort, something to do Rock rock, thank you, I was gonna say rock.
Speaker 4:Stone and we actually kill coach this time? Oh, that's not. Is it a crime if we know by saying something that we might kill him and he actually dies, that I think we've crossed over into criminal behavior. Yeah.
Speaker 3:I think, you would deserve it.
Speaker 2:Nothing would make me happier than the two of you in prison For an accidental heart attack on my part. Oh my god. What? What if there is no? Hereafter, though, I won't be chuckling, then. You'll still be in prison, though, boss, and that's that makes.
Speaker 3:This is I've seen my death it like I've seen my future. I will be in prison at some point, obviously.
Speaker 2:All right, so we go, we keep going here. We get a terrible Lou diamond Phillips joke and Walk us through this last part here, coach.
Speaker 4:Another two, please may, from dr Sharon. Okey-dokey. So we're, you know, we're all getting each other here, thank you. And here come P, b and J, and you just know, no matter what's about to happen, it's gonna be fucking mental. And so you're the shrink of the team. Yeah, and you can just see.
Speaker 4:I was actually just watching a documentary and this man who studies dreams said the worst thing about Studying dreams is every time you go to a party and say that you study dreams, then the next sentence out of the person's mouth is oh yeah, I had the most fascinating dream about. And he said it's always the most boring, nonsensical dream. Oh yeah, so anyway, I just this at this moment, you know dr Sharon's like here we go, and so we get. Go on, ask her I'm scared of snakes. And just Away we go like really scared of snakes, even the tiny ones in my garden.
Speaker 4:Does that mean anything, dr Sharon? You know from her, like counselor 101 Bag goes do you want it to mean something? And he says I just don't want to be afraid when I'm tending to my tomatoes. And she says because the garden is your safe space. Is it about the snakes or is it about the fear and anxiety slithering into your consciousness, at which point he might as well say, oh you a witch, because he just sort of bounce like Straightening up a point store. The last one, that's it, and we get sorceress, of course, because this group, and then we start on another one. I have a recurring dream. She says, oh god, now she realizes this isn't gonna be quick, where I'm floating, not flying, floating, and then may comes in, thank God, as far as Sharon is concerned, piss off you three. You want psychiatric help? Call the number I gave you, which, by the way, required pausing For me.
Speaker 2:I can't speak for anybody number. I've already given you this topic.
Speaker 4:Since you need psychiatric like that's how insane you all are, that we've had enough this conversation, that I have thought they should get help and then, finally, I have taken the time to provide you the resource. So, anyway, I thought that was very funny.
Speaker 2:I mean, not to mention the relationship that may has them, where she just walks up and says piss off you three. Right, you're bothering my customers, right oh?
Speaker 4:these are actual customers. You three like this. You see this. She hands me money. I had her drinks. Yeah, get away from it. Yeah, so it's great, I'm thanked me. There you go love. Oh no, I ordered to. Ted asked me to give you this and we look in the, in the beer that has been delivered, the paint that has been delivered, we look down at the note it's good Bye, the note that she's been handed and couple exclamation points. We got some smiley face action going on there, signed by Ted, at which dr Sharon shakes her head bit of a smile.
Speaker 4:Son of a bitch stole my move. She takes a look around like maybe she might catch a last glimpse of them sneaking off or hiding, watching her reaction or something. She's Um, and here's one. So then, as she's looking at the beer, there's an army man in there. We know what that means and I realized she doesn't know what it means. So she's sort of like hmm. So I thought that was an interesting move by him, because if she doesn't know what it means, yeah, I wasn't, I wasn't.
Speaker 4:I'm curious what either of you thought of it. But then finally we get may come back up. Here's one with no shit in it, these two women, because they can talk like this. There's no big deal between these. These are women. These are not Girls or ladies or any of that other shit. These are women. Man, here's the one, with no shit in it. Thanks, and that's and that's that. So I'm curious, though, what you all thought of the army, because it matters to us, but I'm like, if the big deal is saying goodbye to her, I didn't. Yeah, what did you make of that? It's very narcissistic.
Speaker 2:And I really hate. Sorry, I was trying to be boss. Good. No, sorry boss, go ahead, go ahead, Good. Good luck with that.
Speaker 3:I mean Seriously.
Speaker 2:Even the car will not. You can't get all your kids into it.
Speaker 3:Um it Listen. The thing about Ted is he is often likeable enough that you don't mind that he does this weird shit where it's like. Why is that weird shit when it's like? Why is there an army man in my? Life. Like even this entire goodbye was not what Dr Sharon was going for. This wasn't what she wanted.
Speaker 3:This was what he wanted, and I Know that there are people in my life who I'm like well, you're wonderful enough, I don't care, like whatever, it's fine. You, I'll drive to your house, that's fine. I'll go to your house to hang out because you got kids, you're lovely and you don't have to put in the effort. I will come to you, that's fine.
Speaker 3:So I'm not saying that Dr Sharon is wrong or that Ted was wrong to want her to do these things, but this entire day was on his terms to begin with, like he showed up at her apartment and said You're not just leaving with a letter. I'm not even going to read the letter until we address the fact that you can't leave with only a letter. We have to go out, we have to do this thing. I, I had an entire dance made up for you. We need to do this, in part the way that I want to do it. So it's not that I think that it's narcissistic. Necessarily I think it is. There are sometimes people who are, in fact, overbearing, but they're so likable that you don't mind it necessarily and you are willing to let them run the show. And Ted might be doing that in this case.
Speaker 4:I, you know with the yes, and I love that. Read it with the army man and I know exactly the quality that you're talking about and it's like the person's a lot, but they really are lovely and I get. So, yes, I get that. The note is different for me, though, and and him disappearing, in that one of them isn't good at the face to face goodbye, and I kind of feel like Ted, with the note and the disappearing, unlike the beer said Thanks, thanks for the pinball, thanks for the goodbye. I'm not going to make you do the thing that is Totally painful for you, or I'm, you know, uncomfortable to the point that you've avoided it. So I thought it's interesting that I think there is something there. So maybe once for him and once for her.
Speaker 3:Yeah, actually yeah. So this is going to sound maybe not random, but there's an episode of Friends where Phoebe finds out that her dad is still alive, I think her grandmother passes away and she meets her dad, who abandoned her years ago, and so they try to reconnect. And you know it's awkward because if your dad abandons you and then shows up 20 years later, you're like well the fuck. But at the end of the episode they are trying to connect, they are trying to like make sure that they maintain a relationship, moving forward, and try to. He tries to gain her forgiveness and so he like pats her knee or something while they were sitting on the couch and he says, sorry, I'm not very good at this. And she says, oh well, I am, and leans in and gives him a hug. And I think that there has to be like, as a person who is not necessarily super physically affectionate or sweet or fun to be around you know all the things about me like with all of that God damn funny.
Speaker 3:So with those, I think I need to figure out where my comfort level is for those things and where I can allow it to be for other people. It's not fair for me to be at a 10 if I want to be at a two, but it's also not fair for me to insist everybody around me is at a two, because that's not that me, so I don't know. It felt like a little bit of trying to get to where the other person was while still getting what you need out of the interaction.
Speaker 4:In short, boss is explaining that she's getting used to me saying how much I love her on a pretty regular. That's just how we open up, we get on.
Speaker 2:I love you. Yeah, just like an admission of mental illness to me.
Speaker 3:That's fine. I'm done talking about the caveman now. You don't need to keep ringing it, okay.
Speaker 2:So here's one with no shit in it. We get that nice beat between them. Son of a bitch stole my line, which I really. I liked that from doctor. Like son of a bitch stole my line. Wait, was it?
Speaker 4:It's move, it's move, but sorry, sorry, yeah, sorry, thank you, no, no, as.
Speaker 1:I said it's like I can see your face like wait what? No, no, no.
Speaker 4:Son of a bitch stole my move.
Speaker 2:Maybe my favorite thing that she said is as long as we know her, because I'm very human and like, very like unguarded for Dr Sharon.
Speaker 4:Right, you know what it also it's. It's reminiscent of Phoebe's teacher for me. Just these people who are in positions where we're accustomed to seeing them be very appropriate, like it's actually part of their job to be appropriate Right, and we see a moment of them by themselves or in a you know in a different kind of setting, and like, yeah, they curse like everybody else and fuck, witch and son of a bitch stole my move. I think there's an extra.
Speaker 4:It's like an extension when you see your teacher in the supermarket, or something. I remember the first time that happened, right, I just couldn't pull myself back together Like what? What is she doing here? What is happening?
Speaker 2:Why is she holding lucky charms? I mean, are those for me in class?
Speaker 4:Yeah, I mean, what is happening right now? What is this? So, yeah, I think there's a bit of that in the experience.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, it's a nice, nice beat here for Dr Sharon.
Speaker 3:And just in case we didn't very specifically outline it before, that is the line from Goodwill Hunting at the end, when Robin Williams said son of a bitch stole my line.
Speaker 4:Oh, has it been too long since I said I love you. Is that what this is about?
Speaker 3:I just need to make sure, because Robin Williams ad lipped that at the very end like you just said God damn, it's really good.
Speaker 2:Oh, I didn't know he ad lipped that, that's news. Oh, I did not know that yeah. You know he shares a birthday with a coach Bishop. You know what Fuck off he does? He does Coach Orlando Gaspar Bishop. Now you know.
Speaker 4:You know, you know Everyone here. I'm kind of afraid that I have shared so much on here that anyone could pass as many authorizations on any site as possible.
Speaker 2:That's true. Oh, that's true.
Speaker 3:I would also like to point out that in the community site my sister was kind enough to point out I share a birthday with Chad Kroger, lead singer of Nickelback.
Speaker 2:That's appropriate.
Speaker 3:For me that seems appropriate to me? Yeah, oh man, I'm sorry, nickelback. I know that you get a lot of shit and you have a lot of fans. Maybe you're decent human beings, I don't know, but God damn, a lot of your songs are terrible, just like really bad at being music, wow.
Speaker 2:So are you sorry?
Speaker 3:Are you sorry?
Speaker 4:No, you don't feel sorry. It doesn't feel like it.
Speaker 3:I'm a little. I'm sorry if people like Nickelback and I hurt their feelings. I didn't mean to Listen. I listened to Dave Matthews. You could. There's room for you to make fun of me, it's fine.
Speaker 2:I like everything, so I don't know, I don't know what to tell you. I'm sure there's Nickelback songs that I really love. I don't always know who sings the songs I love. I just kind of put them in my if I like them, they go on my rotation and whatever. But I love Dave Matthews songs I love. It's okay to like that crappy bands. Well, number one Dave Matthews is not crap.
Speaker 2:I know I'm saying, but I'm saying you're suggesting that Nickelback is not up to snuff. But I'm saying, even if, listen, this is the thing and we'll get to the next scene here quickly. But it's okay to have guilty pleasures, it's okay to watch crappy shows If those crappy shows make you feel good. Most people will say, oh, I know a Castleton writes about TV and they've been in the business and all you know whatever. And I'll be like no, no, if you want to watch, like you know, we know a lot of people that watch. You know Grey's Anatomy and people will swear by the first few seasons of it and then be embarrassed by the last few, and I don't care either way. If you want to watch Grey's Anatomy on a loop or Firefly or whatever any show that makes you feel something, then that's good, that's self care, I'm all for it.
Speaker 2:There are some terrible movies. There are some movies that I love deeply, that are so gleefully misogynist and I want to hate them, but they were formative in my life. I can watch them now and understand what they were. I had no understanding what they were so problematic.
Speaker 2:You know, what I mean. Yeah, it was like you have no concept, because that's the world we lived in. Now I look back and I'm like you know it's horrifying, but it's not going to. It's again. We alluded to this a little bit when we talked about Michael Jackson and we talked about music. That was formative for us, and I'm just an advocate of people, as long as you're not hurting anybody else. If you're in the privacy of your own home and you want to watch a crappy show or listen to music that other people would mock you for or whatever, that's about society, that's about fitting in. That's not about you and that's not about your taste, and it shouldn't be. So we move on to Sam Obesanya. We cut to him, walking in the dark, with a smile. I don't know how long he's been walking, but it was light when he called his dad and now it's dark. So he took the long way home and, coach, walk us through this beat here.
Speaker 4:It reminds me, by the way, as you described it that way, that not everyone who's wandering has lost came to mind when you just said that. So I just thought that was interesting. We know Ted has actually right, like his time of walking and searching for stuff did get him to be lost. But at any rate, sam's walking, we're following him. He walks past cameras so the camera swings Nice way to reveal that Rebecca in her icy blue is sitting there and she's got the coat the icy blue is in the coat and so she stands up. They face each other.
Speaker 4:It's awkward for all the reasons it's awkward. She says I can't give you an answer about us, right, because that's number one. We know that that's what he would want. He came out of the cupboard sad and I know I can't ask you not to go. So she's like this is the pinch I'm in, that's what I'm describing, also wrapped in there somewhere, feels like obviously I love you, that's not what we're discussing. And then she says but I hope you don't go. So she underscores that and then she says I should go. And I just thought that was really lovely writing. I thought the structure of that, like as a piece of dialogue, was lovely to communicate everything she needed to communicate. He never says a word as he shouldn't Like it, just all like it. Just very much worked for me. That that's how she handled it. That's what she said. If you're going to have that scene, I thought that was perfect.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and she gets into her brand new limited edition Range Rover where she's no, no, no, she drove herself which you know kudos, and and then she, she, she just sort of drops things and kind of little clumsy getting in, and Sam smiles and then she, she's, she's out.
Speaker 4:She. It feels like an escape, like it's almost like the energy. If I were directing the scene I could, I could, I could see the energy being, once you say what you've had to say you're, you're, you're getting out of here before the cops show up kind of like that's the energy Cause she seems like she's even actually, now that I say that out loud, she's even kind of got like a classic. You know it's a foggy night with this person and essentially a trench. You know the, the, the, the fashionable version of a trench coat, all cinched up very, um, I almost said very deep throat, ish. And then I heard it before I said it and I thought is it cool to do it if you already know in your head that it's going to happen? But I decided to go for it, so I'm glad you enjoyed that boss.
Speaker 2:And usually when you get the overcoat cinched up that much, there's a, there's just just the, the, the, uh, you know, not a whole lot underneath, uh, but I'm just drawing on my registry diaries knowledge.
Speaker 3:Um, obviously that's a timely reference. I think the issue with um. The issue with the scene for me is um, I don't know if we have kept in consideration enough that this is supposed to be empire strikes back. This season is supposed to be. People are not doing 100% what they should be. Not that people are fucking off, but this is where things are falling apart. This is people who are going to be leaving. Do leave, and relationships that are ending are going to.
Speaker 3:So I think some of the things and I want to talk about this more with the next episode, um, some of the things that Ted is doing as a coach, I don't think are the career highlights for him. I think he's made some mistakes this season, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and that doesn't mean Ted is a bad guy, but we should be acknowledging the fact that Ted is not doing as well as he should be and we should be able to criticize his actions based on that. Not you're a horrible person, but are you showing up the way that you need to be in the same way, Uh, coach, I just want to put that, put a pin in that.
Speaker 2:So, two seasons from now, when I give you a speech, when you're the um, the coach of the Los Angeles, uh Black Storm, I will refer to this conversation and say you know, I'm not saying whatever, I'm saying, just not showing up the way you need to. And then then you, if you're mad at anyone, I want you to be mad at boss in that moment yeah.
Speaker 3:And then I'll fucking not me and then I'll give them the beard pub speech and it'll be fucking fine, damn it. It is Like we'll fucking get there. But in that same way, I think I don't know if Rebecca not that Rebecca is going to look back on a relationship with Sam and regret it or not, feel like some tender emotions and some affection for him. But she also might think like the fuck was I doing? Like I sat outside a player's house at fucking 11 where people could have seen me, because we were having a torrid affair and he is half my age and I am his boss and I told him to not take a different job because I wanted him to stay here with me, even though we weren't like.
Speaker 3:I think that there will be. There will come a time where she'll be like that was not a great move. Even though I understand where she's coming from and even though I am not saying that she is acting, even though I understand what she's doing right now, I think in hindsight she's probably going to be like that. That was not the best. I shouldn't have really done that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's the only time where he doesn't look at her with love in his face. It's the only time he's coming off of a real high, very surprised to see here, and his facial resources don't catch up with his love for Rebecca at that moment. It's the only time he looks at her like he's a little bit surprised. But listen, love makes you do crazy things and I remember being pulled away, feeling like a sense of something other than myself, pulling me to some inevitability that was guided by the emotion rather than rational thought, when you think you might lose somebody who's this integral to your life, even if you're in this period of trying to figure out what's going on. She may have been compelled more than she otherwise would.
Speaker 3:Yeah, this is one of those cases where I would not yell at her. I'm not chastising her for this. If I were Keely or Sassy and she was like I did this shit, I'd be like girl, that's fine, let's go drink some wine and I will talk to you through this. But you know you can't do this again. This would be a I'm not going to yell at you, but also you fucking know right.
Speaker 4:I think it's the equivalent of do not contact in your phone, Right? Would that be the equivalent?
Speaker 1:of the talk. We get it, but you cannot text him again.
Speaker 3:You cannot. Yes, god bless my friends who have taken my phone away from me. God bless you.
Speaker 2:I'll just say that I could be out of line here, but it shows that the UK is a lovely place, because white women sitting alone at that time of night in a black neighborhood in America not only would every grandmother in the street know about it.
Speaker 4:I'm not going to save you this time. He totally means it, people. He totally fucking means it.
Speaker 2:I don't think she should be able to get away incognito. I think like a six foot white woman would be able to waltz into our neighborhood and nobody notices. I don't know, it's not too funny.
Speaker 3:Well, all right, so you're joking, but now I'm going to need to consider how segregated London neighborhoods are, because Chicago, as much as I love this bitch, she's the best, like goddamn lover, segregated a shit and it's not good. There are very few neighborhoods where we have the not correct but like a good level of integration. I don't know if that's true in London. I'm going to have to call some of our Brit friends and find out about this now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and when I say Brit friends.
Speaker 3:I mean one of the two, I don't. I'm not that popular.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, people probably guessed that. So we are over now from from that beautiful scene. We're back at Ted's apartment and he has removed successfully one up. Dr Sharon takes off his coat and coach, I know this will hurt you the most, so usually I throw to the other person, but I want you to suffer through this instead of boss.
Speaker 4:So Ted gets a text he's going to go to the phone. Apple's money, very well spent, will produce it. You keep using the phone. Hello Ted, this is Trent Crimm, the independent. So I believe he would do that one. But I also think, for anybody who hasn't watched this 37 times which I don't understand people are doing with their lives that's probably helpful. And then this will be in the print edition tomorrow morning. We get three dots, so that probably isn't. Hey, coach Lasso is awesome and turns out it was absolutely not that. Coach Lasso suffered panic attack during F a cup match, says anonymous source. So there's a lot wrong with that immediately. And then we get another text. We cut to Ted's face looking at that like what the fuck? And then he takes a quick look at the article. Absolutely there's, you know, it's a little bit more info. The pit, the, the, the food poisoning story is blown up. And, by the way, we did see the confirmation of the food poisoning story from Trent talking to Ted. If you recall they were, they did.
Speaker 4:They did double check yeah so that now in retrospect, that wasn't just like, hey, I'm going to be writing about the game, that was him preparing this, uh, jim. And then we go on and where another text is going to come in and that text says that he it's an anonymous source. As a journalist, he had to write that, but as someone who respects you, my source was Nate. So I think, especially because of what you pointed out, boss um, people doing things they're not supposed to do, we get why they're doing them, trent, like this is not right, you don't do this. But also we get why it's not that simple, like it's the murkiness of these kinds of decisions, because if you're Trent, you got to do your job. Also, you know, man, that's fucked up.
Speaker 4:Like I dismissed not long ago, I dismissed the idea of you having anything of value to add to a soccer or a football conversation. And this man believed in you when you were literally talking about the poo on the field and you just came here and sold them out to me Like you are a piece of crap. And so I, I, yeah, I very much get it. I don't. I, I don't know which I would have done, like if presented an option, like part of me feels like, yeah, sometimes you got to break the rules because what's right and what's just is not the same thing. But he definitely was supposed to tell Ted that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and I think that this goes back to I can't remember what I said it about, but essentially, oh, I think it was Rebecca telling Sassy and the rest of the the ladies gathered at the funeral that she was having an affair with Sam. And I said, if you're willing to deal with the fallout, then I don't know, like that's always what it feels like to me A lot of people say like, oh, you can't do that, that's against the law, and I'm like well, you can't do it. It's just that if the police find out and decide to prosecute, then you're in trouble, but like physically, you can do anything Like this is, you can do this.
Speaker 3:Are you willing to deal with the consequences?
Speaker 4:of this Right. That's the question right.
Speaker 3:And there's something to me. When somebody's like, yeah, I'm going to do this and I'll fucking where it lands at lands, I'm like, all right, well, you sound like you know what you're doing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this is a very important point of view, boss, because I like this is funny, because some people live their lives outside the lines and some people live their life inside the lines. So this is I like the way you're highlighting this, where you're saying listen, you can do whatever. One of the things that's become very apparent in the last I don't know eight or 10 years is you can do whatever the fuck you want, and the only people that seem to pay as people get caught, and even then they don't pay. So you go. Yeah, I was reading articles about people complaining about the amount of crime in San Francisco and they would talk about how it's basically been decriminalized to steal anything under a thousand bucks. So you have like rampant people stealing and then you realize that it has to do with the price of housing and you know how to allocate your community resources and your security, your police force. There's so much that goes into decisions like this, but you can choose to make these decisions.
Speaker 2:Now, with regard to this coach, you're right that you say I'm one of those people that sits here as a writer and laments the what feels like the decline of the entire journalistic industry, all of journalism in total, and I actually respect Trent's equation. On this one, he does the math and he says like, yes, I know that as a journalist, you tend to. You know the understanding premise is you don't reveal your sources. But as a human and as a man, this is a stronger consideration for me. I would give up being a journalist to remain being true to myself. In this particular situation and there's a lot of that is stunning considering. Is this a fucking joke? Like you know, we're going a long way, right, and the original dinner with Ted and you know all of these beats that we've had with Trent over the years. It's appropriate that he's the one to break this story, but it's also equally appropriate, now that we know what we know about Trent, that he comes clean with Ted.
Speaker 4:And. I would say yes to everything you just said and really insightful. I would just add in, or I will add in, that he has integrity and I actually pulled up the whole like lawful to chaotic, you know chart, because I was trying to think of like placing this and I like you're talking about an alignment grid, right, You're talking about alignment grid.
Speaker 4:Yes, yeah, there's alignment grid until you have, you know, lawful good. We can share that as well. But I like that Trent has an integrity around football, like he has a fundamental respect for it, and so that's actually. He's always true to that, like at first he thinks Ted, which on some level he's absolutely 100% right, he nailed it that this is a fucking joke. It actually was a fucking joke.
Speaker 4:It was intended to blow up and so at that point he's against it, not because Ted, he don't even know Ted, he don't give a fuck about Ted, he doesn't fuck about this game and it getting respected deserves, which is what he brings up when they go to dinner. Like Ted, like what the fuck man, Like like people care about this team, Like what are you doing?
Speaker 4:Then he realizes oh, no, no, no. Maybe this guy isn't bad for football. That's when he decides oh okay, then we can be on the same side. So I think what he's saying here is Nate, you're bad for football. This is not the way a team should be. This is wrong and I'm, and I just I'm not gonna. I have to be a part of it in that this is actually my job and I can't not report this because it is the truth. But in terms of how a team should work, this is wrong and I'm out.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it felt a lot like. So John Stuart is back on the Daily Show now. I'm having a few issues with the way that John Stuart has aged and I have aged and maybe our views are not as similar as they were 20 years ago when I first started watching the Daily Show and loving the absolute shit out of it. I don't think he's a bad guy, but I also think at some point I'm kind of like well, let's talk anyway.
Speaker 2:I'm so with you on this. It's crazy yeah. I want to love you, but if you keep both sides in everything, when it's not a both sides issue.
Speaker 3:I mean stop it.
Speaker 2:Stop it, stop it, stop it. You should know better, your John Stuart.
Speaker 3:Your John Stuart. You should know better, but I will say, like, maybe heyday, john Stuart. My favorite thing about him was always that he was there to tell jokes, but the topics that he was addressing were not a joke to him. He was willing to play the clown, but he always treated the actual subject matter with as much journalistic respect as you could get on a network that had puppets making prank phone calls, and so I think that that was sort of the line, for Trent was. I don't mind if you're kind of Ronald McDonald, but you better be serious about football than you show up here.
Speaker 3:And so the fact that it feels very much like Nate was not doing that because he was concerned about the game. He's not out here saying like, hey, our head coach has a serious mental health issue and might not be there. No, he was doing that in order to promote himself, to talk about how he saved the game. And Ted couldn't even be out there which, by the way, is the fucking point of an assistant coach. Like if Ted had gotten kicked out of the game, if he'd gotten red carded, you're supposed to fucking step up. That's what you got him Anyway.
Speaker 4:No, no, I don't think that's in any way actually In this context.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's like Nate you were doing what you were supposed to be doing and you were pissed off that you didn't get more recognition than you already got, even though you already got a shit ton. And so now you're going to go rat out your boss and friend in order to not make the game better, but make yourself better.
Speaker 4:Let me tell you something, and I will say this because I give this man a more than his fair share of shit. So I'm going to be very real about something. When I got the Black Storm job, first of all, coach yelled way louder than I did when I actually got the fucking job. So when I told him I still am dealing with the fallout to my hearing, but okay, we're going to move past that. But no, but really, and immediately he said I'm going to be out at the trial, right, like he's. Like we are a team, we are a team Period.
Speaker 4:So you've got a place where we're going to actually like formalize that I'm, I'm flying out on his own, I am flying out for trials, but I and and I should say I know that if anything happened to me on that day, if somehow I lost my mind, I was like I can't come to tryouts today, coach, I need to play Madden. He would make up a story, the likes of which you know, to protect me. Like he would say shit, that he would like I sound insane, but it's all I got. Oh, yeah, he was abducted by aliens. You know that star that the web telescope saw?
Speaker 4:Yeah, he's there recruiting but it'll be back. I mean like it'll be fucking, and so you were. I think you're absolutely on point to say, oh my God, nate, like this is such a fucking violation, this is such a violation, and you're right. I also think it speaks to the fact that so if he had to run off because he had the bad, what was it? The bad fish pie, or?
Speaker 3:bad fish pie which can't have a good fish pie. I mean.
Speaker 4:I was kind of, yeah, not having had either, I was kind of leaning towards the not ever having a good one. But the fact like why, knowing that there's a difference and then still exploiting that difference made me sick, because if he had been, you know, using the bathroom all that time, then everybody would be like, oh yeah, sometimes that happens. Well, guess what? Sometimes fucking panic attacks happen.
Speaker 3:The world is not ready, so cute together.
Speaker 2:The world is not ready for honest conversation about mental illness. I want it to be ready and we need to get everybody ready because it's like amazing to me that people will. It's such a United States thing. I'm so repressed and back ass words and thank you to our friends in other countries who actually have this licked. But in this country, not only can we not get like a universal healthcare to protect people because they have the right to health, but also a far distant you know bastardized stepchild is mental health, universal healthcare Like that's like not even on the table.
Speaker 4:That's just like oh yeah, we are so fucking far from that so far. You could forget it, you could adjust.
Speaker 2:I would say like that's at least as important. Like so many physical ailments come from mental, from the reaction to psychosomatic. Seriously. I mean, it's like what are we talking like? I feel like it's like dark ages. Still, you're like is this real? Like, are you serious?
Speaker 3:It's fucking crazy to me that on the one hand, we have a lot of people, a large segment of the population, that thinks whatever mental health issue you're dealing with, just fucking get over it. It's not. It's not like being physically sick. That's different, right.
Speaker 3:You can't just get over this shit you can just get over, while we also have a commercial for Snickers that says you're not you when you're hungry, like on one level. We are so willing to acknowledge that your mind and body, and the health of both, affect each other and being hungry can make you an asshole. That's really really great and we don't seem to accept that your mind and your body are the same thing when it comes to illnesses.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and nothing. A little sugar bar can't fix.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, that's exactly what you want. There's nothing.
Speaker 4:Yeah, there's nothing better when you're low energy than just go ahead and spike that blood sugar Good luck to you.
Speaker 3:So for listeners outside of the US, if you have never had our chocolate candy bars, don't. I think, like I've had chocolate in England and Mexico and it's better in both places and we've got a waxy film on some of our not that great chocolate. So, yeah, we've got a lot of really great food. Don't eat a candy bar here. Don't have a Twix. Jesus Christ.
Speaker 4:They're terrible. Okay, I think it's in the category of the bad TV I love.
Speaker 3:Twix, is it a three musketeers? I love?
Speaker 4:Twix, three musketeers. I can make it through. I can't, but Twix for me, it just catapults me back to my youth. That's my problem, though I get it.
Speaker 2:Oh, I like.
Speaker 4:Twix, I don't like.
Speaker 2:Nougat, so like if you put like three musketeers, which is like completely.
Speaker 4:Nougat is more. Nougat than chocolate.
Speaker 2:That's like condensed evil is what they do, that's what they take. That's really funny the devil's food and they put it in Nougat and then they inject it into your mouth. I just don't like a Nougat based candy bar.
Speaker 3:No, no, and fucking Milky Way isn't any better.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, they're the same, they're their cousins. Oh, you know what?
Speaker 3:You said three musketeers and I thought of Milky Way.
Speaker 4:I'm sorry, I meant.
Speaker 3:Nougat. No, no, no, I can't do it.
Speaker 2:I'll eat a Snickers all day long, though I'll eat it all day long I can. Yeah, I'll do it.
Speaker 3:You know what I'll eat a Snickers and apple A vegetable.
Speaker 4:I thought you were going to go in a very different direction and I was like, oh my God, very disappointing. I was like this is going to be the dunk of all dunks. Oh my God, and it wasn't. It wasn't it was. I felt like, oh no.
Speaker 3:And now we're ending on a disappointment.
Speaker 4:The way you always want to. Let us, let us, let us.
Speaker 3:Get the audience as underwhelmed as possible and then leave.
Speaker 2:And then they won't invite you back. Leave them one less. Thank you everyone. Thank you for joining us. We are now complete with season two, episode 11 of Ted Lasso Midnight Train of Royston. We'll be back next time with the Ted Lasso finale of season two. Season two, episode 12, inverting the pyramid of success. Instead of those we're going to, we're going to keep for those asking on social media and community site and elsewhere. Yes, we will be finishing up Wayne as well. It's a very short one, one season show, and we're going to blast that out as well. And then we have some oh man, some great things coming down the pike. We can't wait to explore those with you. Coach, where do people find you if they want to find you?
Speaker 4:We align, dot, align, pcom. Come on through with building. We're building is actually growing, which is nice, but come on through be part of it.
Speaker 2:And boss, where do people find you, if they want to find you, and we know it's not at tryouts, since you didn't say you would fly there on your own dot.
Speaker 3:I mean I can, when are they? I don't, I won't be helpful, but I could be there. No, no, no, please don't In June.
Speaker 3:No, god, oh God, no, it would be the damage. So you can find me number one on the community side. I just posted a couple of things in there right now related to this episode, so you could find that also writing I promise. Oh my God, I have so many fucking things I need to write at the antagonist which is antagonist, blogcom and on social media. You can find me at blue sky it's a Dumbly Chambers and on there you can find me following Chris Cluey, a former NFL player who identifies himself as Chris Warcraft because he's a nerd. Apparently just popped up on my timeline saying I could take Venus and Serena at the same time while throwing a 105 mile per hour fastball and solving Aaron Rodgers family dynamics. So I like that when you said some men, some men could fight a grizzly bear he's like yeah, I fucking can't fucking do all of it.
Speaker 3:I could. I could do that while baking a souffle. Apparently, chris Cluey, every man.
Speaker 2:Love it. Yeah, okay, that's it for us today. Thank you everybody. Please support your local libraries in the written word and until next time we are rich rich men till we die. We have one. Sorry. That's good. That's good, nice and clean. I'm sorry, yeah, yeah.