A Very Special Episode - International Women's Day

In this very special episode we take a minute to talk about the women we admire, and to drag the hell out of the rebuttal to the State of the Union address.  Join us for a VERY special episode.

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Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:22

Welcome to our Ted Lasso talk, the Tedcast. Welcome all Greyhound fans, welcome all you sinners from the dog track and all the AFC Richmond fans around the world. It's the lasso way around these parts with Coach, coach and Boss, without further ado, coach Castleton.

Speaker 3: 0:39

Who in the fuck would take the time to lie about that and videotape it Like that's my honest reaction, so like part of me getting taken here is me going, yeah, but that's fucking dumb. It's like you like talking me out of my the lint in my pocket, like, oh, I got him. I'm like, did you know? Like I don't, you've got the lit in my pocket. You're crafty. What, what?

Speaker 2: 1:08

That was some of the most masterful timing I've ever seen in my entire life. I know I just went for. I was like I'm gonna just keep going.

Speaker 3: 1:14

I was like I'm gonna just keep going. Just what do you want?

Speaker 4: 1:17

I'm just gonna pretend I didn't see it, listen, listen, hello, beautiful people. Here's what happens. Sometimes we log into our podcast recording studio and sometimes Coach and Boss beat me in here and they genuinely enjoy each other, so I will come in when I come in. It's like you know, you play the Imperial March because everyone's quiet, quiet down here. That's it. There he is. But no, they were in the middle of a topic and I immediately yelled at them and I was like no, we're going to talk about this on air, stop talking about it. And went to get a cup of coffee when I came back there on another topic, equally passionate. So, coach, what are we just walking?

Speaker 3: 2:09

There's this whole subset of social media posts that claim to be satire or any number of things, and they're just dumb lies. Like. Here's me having an argument with my end quote, girlfriend, about who's going to do the dishes in our not actual apartment, and then we're going to put that out and people are going to argue about that. But I'm like, but what? Like? It's not funny and it's not particularly illuminating. And you neither of you are like what? What is the point of this? And why are you telling me that you two are a couple, when I just watched another video of you and your one's on the bus and the other one's trying to get off? Like what, what's happening?

Speaker 2: 2:55

Yeah, I am. This should not be shocking to me in any way, but I read the other day on Reddit maybe that somebody's buddy played one of the guys who was being cheated on on the TV show cheaters and like I know, I know that reality TV is not real. I understand that. I actually, like a couple that are friends of a friend, did House Hunters International and on House Hunters International they came into the couple's home that they owned then and took out all the furniture and then showed them this house that like showed them a couple of other houses to those like which one do you think you're going to? So I know that it's not real, but there's something about I'm going to write a story where a man, somebody, cheats on somebody else and then I'm going to film it as if it is a real life story, because the story itself is uninteresting, like Right, it's only interesting if you think someone just happened to catch this on their cell phone, right?

Speaker 2: 3:53

Yes, exactly, and this is like and I'm not even knocking that as its own art form it's just sort of fucking weird when people are like, oh, this is satire, One of the things we mentioned, or this is trolling, right, I'm like, this is a lie what you're doing. You're telling a lie and it's fine, I enjoy lying, but, like, own up to the fact that you're creating a story whole cloth and framing it in this way, because the device of the story is better than the story itself. And then move on. I will read your. Am I the asshole? But it's so outlandish and wild.

Speaker 3: 4:25

I don't care, there's no fucking way. Right, right.

Speaker 2: 4:28

But like. But let's not pretend that this is that you're lying. You're just lying for fun, that's fine, that's okay.

Speaker 3: 4:35

And I love that you point out, because I get into stuff like this all the time. And the internet, you may be shocked to learn, is not the place for linguistic nuance. I keep learning the same lesson it's very, it's very, bill Murray, Groundhog Day ish.

Speaker 3: 4:52

I should like learn how to play the piano so I could sing a song about it. But, um, but, yeah, like it's weird to me that people say, oh, this site is satire, like you just point out. Like, no, that has a meaning, that's a, that's a word with a meaning. And, yeah, this is not like I don't give a fuck what it is. Frankly, enjoy yourselves, but it's not satire. And you wasted my time.

Speaker 2: 5:17

And this is some of the shared sort of. I think that we've been on this topic around it for the past few days, maybe weeks or so, about how saying that somebody has a different perspective is fine. Obviously they're going to have a different perspective, but there need to be some common truths that society owns. Yes, just in order to function. Yeah, for example, I just saw the other day that Zack Snyder, writer, director, that he did um Justice League and man of Steel, a few of the DC movies, um, and then a few of the other ones that he wrote that are a little bit weirder, might actually be more fun. I don't know, I'm not a huge fan, but I've seen a lot of his movies. He was on Joe Rogan's podcast saying that his most recent movie, rebel Moon, which was released on Netflix only was probably seen by 160 million people, which he didn't cite facts. He didn't cite numbers for that, he just something about how Netflix told him probably was 160 million.

Speaker 3: 6:23

Go on, because you're really you're running the risk of us not making it to Wayne, to a Ted Lasso or anything else You're going into a serious rant zone for me.

Speaker 2: 6:35

Go on. So he says probably 160 million people watched Rebel Moon and that if you consider each average ticket sale would be about $10, that means that the movie probably grossed 1.6 billion, so probably more people saw his movie than saw Barbie and probably his movie would have made more money than Barbie.

Speaker 3: 7:00

Obviously.

Speaker 2: 7:01

And I'm like okay, my only issue with your argument is it did not. It didn't Because you didn't release it in the box office. It was released on Netflix. It didn't go to the theater.

Speaker 3: 7:14

My only issue with this is that it is bullshit. But other than that it really stands up.

Speaker 4: 7:20

It really holds a great, great take, except that it's, you know, factually actually inaccurate.

Speaker 2: 7:28

Yeah, just like, other than reality. Yes, no, that argument is great Like. I don't know what to tell you, buddy, but none of your movies, none of your movies have made $1.6 billion.

Speaker 4: 7:38

Was this Zack Snyder?

Speaker 2: 7:39

Yes, talking about Rebel.

Speaker 4: 7:41

Moon. I don't want to always be the Zack Snyder apologist here, but I will tell you that Netflix is a thing they do to film makers.

Speaker 4: 7:53

We have friends who have written like films that have debuted on Netflix and they all do the same calculus. They get it from Netflix because Netflix says hey, listen on a. You know, if we're comparing apples to apples, you would have made $45 billion. This is basically the biggest film in the history of the planet. And then they factor in. They'll tell you how many eyeballs you got in Malaysia. And then people start to add the numbers up. But listen, it's good for the filmmaker. I'm not going to defend it. I didn't see that film and I don't know anything about it, but I will say that, like, if it's a way for the filmmakers to get their films made, I'm all for it making more films.

Speaker 2: 8:37

So oh, this is the thing Number one. Netflix is bullshit and they should have actual streaming numbers and they should pay residuals on those streaming numbers. That is like Wait a sec.

Speaker 4: 8:46

Wait a sec, boss. They pay upfront, they give they, they no, no, no, listen, hold on. In all fairness, they do a thing. Amazon does this too. It's a different structure, and it's not that they don't pay the residuals, they don't, they don't pay residuals, but they, they have a model that's different. The model is like we think it would be this so we're just going to give you that money upfront, we'll pay you. You know that as part of the overall deal, and a lot of people are like you know, for some filmmakers it's like oh, do you want the? You hit the lottery. Do you want to pay out, you know, over 25 years, or do you want, you know, a percentage of it right now so you can invest it? And so it ends up being like that. You're, I'm defending some very questionable things right now.

Speaker 4: 9:30

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't like where this is going at all.

Speaker 2: 9:35

I mean. What I will say is that I understand that they have a model. What I am saying is that model is bad. I am saying that I don't like that business model because what it essentially does is TV shows that people are watching over and over and over again that do have continued value. Aren't seeing any additional profit from putting out a show that people still want to watch 20 years from now?

Speaker 4: 9:57

We could spend this entire. We could spend the entire time talking about the Netflix model. It's worse for shows because there's no incentive for them to do a third season.

Speaker 4: 10:05

So if you understand the concept about how they do it and that it is actually a company run by an algorithm and everybody gets a rating. So it's like everybody that they're going to potentially go into business with has a rating, and the closer you are to this certain number that they have, the more bankable like it's an approval rating based on like how they think your marketability is. And so you know, like inside the church of Netflix, you will have people be like hey, man, I got a like 1.2 rating. Like Jesus Christ, like you know like oh my God like I've never broken 0.3.

Speaker 4: 10:42

Like it's, it's, it is. It is crazy. Yeah, it's crazy. And listen, you don't have to like the model. I just don't want. I don't want to give the impression that we're saying like, oh, these people just get ripped off and don't get paid the incentive is not there for but yeah, they don't get more money based on the more people that see it. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 11:04

So I mean, like, as an accountant, what I will say is, if those are your numbers, show me your numbers. Like, give me the evidence that 1.6 million people, or 160 million, whatever it is how many people watch your movie? Like, show me that, or else what you just said is lying. What you just said is it? Maybe it's true, but it doesn't matter because unless you back it up, it has no relevance on the conversation. If somebody told Zach Snyder that 160 million people watched this movie, fucking great Number one, unless 160 million people got Netflix subscriptions in order to watch Rebel Moon, aka Dario Naharis version 1.0, take battles Dario Naharis version 2.0, which is, as far as I could tell, what the movie is about. That's it Just the two actors who played that role on Game of Thrones facing off, unless you can tell me that that is how much money he brought in. He didn't bring in that money. That's not what I know.

Speaker 4: 12:01

I know, but okay yes. But he did get those. Netflix has those numbers. Okay, okay, show me. So I'm not gonna. Yeah, well, it's a, it's a. There's a lot of reasons why, though, I know, I know boss, I know, I know, guy, listen, you gotta understand, guy.

Speaker 3: 12:16

It's wicked simple. Everybody complains about child abuse, but have you ever had to deal with a lippy three year old? I didn't fucking think so. Next topic Kittens Fuck them. Next topic.

Speaker 2: 12:29

I don't want to run dragons.

Speaker 3: 12:37

Any any artists. You try, hold on, I'm saying about dragons is this you try breathing fire and not ever burning anything down.

Speaker 2: 12:44

Next topic yeah, you need to eat some guts sometimes. I am really not trying to be reductive, but hold on the point is that let boss go.

Speaker 3: 12:52

I jumped in there with my foolish.

Speaker 4: 12:56

No, no, no. Today is international women's day, so I don't want to spend too much time talking about a boy, that's all.

Speaker 2: 13:03

No, no, no, no, and I understand that. But what I would like to point out my my larger rant about Zach Snyder saying this is not that I disagree with Netflix's business model and not that I dislike that Netflix could say 160 million people watch this movie and not never back it up, and nobody ever calls them on that. What I am saying is that we have had in place for decades, as long as Hollywood has been an industry, we have said if your money makes movie, if your movie makes money, we will make more movies like that. And when the next thing comes along, we're going to make more movies like that. And if you prove yourself to be profitable, we are going to give you another shot to make another movie.

Speaker 2: 13:41

And Greta Garwig and Margot Robbie made a movie that made a hundred 1.5 billion dollars. I said it wrong because I was expecting it to be less than that 1.5 billion dollars. That means that they want. Those are the rules. The rules say they made a profitable movie and they get to do it again. And what Zach Snyder just said was well, I don't know, I feel like my movie was better. I think. I think maybe my movie actually did make more money, if you think about it.

Speaker 3: 14:08

It's interesting. This has come up in a totally different realm, but I think it plays to what you're. In some ways it plays to what you're talking about, caitlin Clark. For you who don't know, american collegiate women's basketball which wake up no, it's actually. Actually it's quite good and better than men's basketball in my opinion, but that's my opinion. Anyway but Caitlin Clark's amazing and just broke the all time NCAA scoring record and all over the internet it's all these people explaining that pitch.

Speaker 3: 14:41

Still, pete Marovitch, if you think of what he did and change it to something he didn't do, and then add that number to the number that he did do, plus this percentage of what Caitlin did, then actually he's still the best and I'm like that is super fucking interesting that everybody's a goddamn mathematician all of a sudden when this woman finally put the biscuit in the basket more than anybody else. That's how it works.

Speaker 1: 15:11

Hold on, hold on, hold on. This is not a matter of fucking opinion. We counted the points and she has the most.

Speaker 3: 15:17

Everyone else can shut the fuck up Like what are we discussing?

Speaker 4: 15:21

Yeah, well, listen, if you take her points, okay, and you know those canisters that squirt cheese with, if you put her points like on a table let's say just her points are on that table Then you take one of those cheese with canisters, okay, and then what you do is you push it, but instead of cheese coming up like a big flaccid penis.

Speaker 1: 15:40

Yes, yes, then you realize.

Speaker 4: 15:44

no, she doesn't have, and that's a great.

Speaker 2: 15:46

No, yeah, no, she didn't Well listen. If you think about it like, okay, thank you, thank you. I understand that Serena Williams has won more tennis titles than any other player in the history of the game.

Speaker 1: 15:58

Yes.

Speaker 2: 15:58

But if you think about it, if she had been playing in the 1950s, when she would have gotten beaten in the parking lot before getting to the stadium, she probably wouldn't have done that well.

Speaker 3: 16:10

In fairness, in fairness, that's true. Yeah, yeah, welcome to our podcast everybody, welcome.

Speaker 4: 16:17

I am your host, coach Castleton, with me, as always, as Coach Bishop and our boss, emily Chambers. I'm going to race through these things because you know what, listen, it is. At International Women's Day, we have a lot of women to celebrate. There's a lot of great things happening in the world of women, some also some strange things happening in the world of women. I'm so happy that Coach brought up the new scoring champion. I think that is say her name again, boss. I mean Coach Caitlin Clark. Caitlin Clark, okay, good, this is really good. I have a few women's soccer players I'm going to bring up today that I'm very excited about. But yeah, there are some. There's some wins, wins happening On International Women's Day. Are you guys familiar with the Oompa Loompa lady? Are you familiar with her?

Speaker 2: 17:10

No, it's sort of vaguely. This is a Willie the Chocolate man thing.

Speaker 3: 17:15

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4: 17:16

Total scam in Scotland where this dude did a Willie Wonka festival and he sold it using AI imagery and when people showed up it was like worse than a second grade dance. It was so brutal. And this picture made the rounds of this poor woman who was hired for the event, who dressed like a new Oompa Loompa and she looks like really angry, and she has become an internet sensation because there's all these pictures of her just trying to make the best of it and being nice to little kids and she could see how hard she apparently yelled at the guy that put it together and was like what the heck, this is terrible. And since then she's been on talk shows.

Speaker 4: 18:05

Oh, that's funny, and she's got now a cameo account and and Gen Z has labeled her mother, which is one of the highest things you can do as a generation.

Speaker 3: 18:15

You saw my reaction, like I was like oh.

Speaker 1: 18:17

I had no idea we were discussing royalty here.

Speaker 4: 18:23

Yes, she's so mother, and so it is really wonderful. One of the women I want to mention we also have. I want to talk about US soccer player, katerina Macario, who tore ACL and had the type of injury recovery where you go, damn it. She was supposed to be the next big thing, she was supposed to be the next best player in the world, like a LeBron type thing, oh wow, yeah, like superstar. And. And in her first year of play, tore it and miss the World Cup and just really disasters. And and then you heard whispers like she's not healing, right, you know, is there follow up surgery, that sort of thing? And I want to report that she came back to her club team last week and played for Chelsea, which is a club team in England, and scored right away 20 month ACL recovery oh wow, almost two years for her to get back to the pitch and came back and scored right, right out of the game. I want to talk about Taylor Swift being related to Emily Dickinson. Which is that true?

Speaker 3: 19:38

Yeah, I totally checked out. I'm like, wait, joe Biden's president, what I don't know.

Speaker 4: 19:44

But seriously, like I'm so out of touch, right now there was another game US in the gold cup, which is like the qualifying, qualifying tournament for the next World Cup. You had like a real scrappy match with Colombia. Colombia known for being a little chippy. They're a tough team, great team, but they will not back down. And if you're Colombian and you've been in the United States to shadow for all these years, you know you're like fuck the United. You know like and they're like legitimately good. Now Like Colombia is like they have some players.

Speaker 4: 20:26

They have a couple of young superstars on their way up, but they are known for it. South American teams generally play real physical and there's more than just the physical game they want to get in your head. And so Alex Morgan, who's our sort of veteran player on the United States team, she was getting really roughed up at one point, like it got like real, like chest on chest, like people in her face, and she was surrounded by four players and two years ago a player named Trinity Rodman sort of says the Dennis Rodman's daughter.

Speaker 3: 21:04

She kind of came on. Oh yeah. Yeah, I've seen stuff about her.

Speaker 4: 21:07

She rubbed people the wrong way, a little bit right out of the issue Very young. When she got in she got a million dollar contract to play professional soccer. She was sort of like made it right onto the US national team. She is truly capable, she's like super capable. But she rubbed a lot of fans the wrong way and she is like a little bit like over her skis with with how she was dealing with the public.

Speaker 4: 21:31

And I want to honor the fact that Alex Morgan is a goddess and and she has her numbers are so crazy and soccer it is what she's done for this sport, what she's done for the team, what she's done for women's soccer worldwide. It's amazing. But Trinity has grown up and when Alex Morgan got surrounded the other day, all of a sudden some other player comes flying in and gets between Alex and the other four girls and I'm like who is that? It's Trinity Rodman. And then there's these years, like, oh my God, like are you? You know what I mean. You're just like yes, like yes, because she was the type of person where you kind of thought I think she thinks she's better than the veterans.

Speaker 4: 22:11

You know, like she's a real, she's got that she's got the level of talent where she's like listen, old ladies, I know what I'm, you know what I mean, like to get out of my way, kind of thing. And now she's in there, sort of like doing everything right, and I saw these clips of her with the fans and people were comparing her of great she was with the fans. She would take people's phones and take selfies of herself with the fans and just like very patiently going through the. Everybody who wanted something from Trinity got something from Trinity on the sidelines and they were saying, oh, she's went to the Alex Morgan School of of you know, sort of fan interaction. That's like that.

Speaker 4: 22:48

To see that level in two years. She's 22 now or 21. That is so impressive to me. You know what I mean. It is like watching someone grow in front of her and as a player, she I mean she's, she's legit. So anyway, I just want to mark that on International Women's Day because I was like that is, that is wonderful, I don't know why I just saw this.

Speaker 3: 23:11

I'm going to just toss this in. I didn't know we're going to be discussing International Women's Day so, but I did see this, which is that they're the greatest search on International Women's Day. It happens to be for International Men's Day, shut up Certainly that no other day is International Men's Day. In court, international Men's Day, including actual International Men's Day on no day is it searched for. That's what it was.

Speaker 3: 23:41

On no day Are there more searches for International Men's Day than on International Women's Day, which is so deep and speaks yeah, it's like so it's so deeply fucked up, like I laughed when I first saw this that's what it because I was like there was something very clear about it and that's what it was. And and it's so deep that you couldn't well know why there's an International Women's Day and all you're trying to do is prepare your horrific argument against it, like that's that's all you're doing. You, for 364 days, you didn't even consider that there might be a need or desire for an International Men's Day, but just to be that guy off to Google, you go, so yeah those are, those are wonderful people.

Speaker 4: 24:33

for those people wondering when International Men's Day is, it's the same day as International White People's Day, so I mean it every fucking day, every day, yeah, yeah, Christmas for white people, and that's hilarious.

Speaker 2: 24:50

This is up there with. I'm not going to get all the details absolutely correct, so apologies upfront, but when they had, I don't know, maybe like Trans Visibility Day or something, not even we can't even yet say like, hey, we're going to celebrate trans people, we're going to celebrate people who know it's just, we're going to acknowledge that they exist. It's visibility, it's literally hey, we can physically see you with our eyeballs.

Speaker 3: 25:17

Yeah, you're allowed to be in public Like this is where we are.

Speaker 2: 25:20

You're allowed to be literally actually seen. Okay, and so then there were a number of, and just this is what they are. So this is how I'm labeling them Republican members of Congress. Very specifically, we're saying oh well, how come we're not having a military recognition day? Why aren't we having military family and spouse recognition day? Why aren't we doing anything for military families? Nobody wants to talk about our soldiers or their families and other people had to be like it's in November, we have it. It is in November, did you see my face.

Speaker 3: 25:56

I was like what's happening? That's a thing.

Speaker 2: 25:58

You know so little about the thing that you were trying to attack that you were using something else to back up how we should be having these things. You don't even fucking know that we do. You don't give a shit about the military or the military families. That's. The only thing you like to do is use the military as a weapon against other people that you don't like. You're so fucking out of your element. You have no idea at this point.

Speaker 3: 26:23

It's absolutely galling. Yeah, but yes, but that doesn't surprise me. 1%, of course, and as you were saying it, I was like but that doesn't.

Speaker 2: 26:35

We definitely have that. We're the only USA, I think I'm like what's happening right now. We don't spend money on shit except for the military, and maybe we don't spend that much money on veterans, but we at least spend some money on active duty soldiers.

Speaker 3: 26:49

Well, yeah, that's a whole, that's a whole different thing.

Speaker 4: 26:52

It's a whole not a bullshit.

Speaker 3: 26:54

We just and I poor, poor Coach Cassiton is desperate to like grab the wheel and I'm just like all over the place here, but we just vote in Straight out of the clip.

Speaker 3: 27:03

It's outrageous, but we just vote in California. Actually, I need to double check. I think I'm pretty short past on what they were calling measure one and it was all the spending, because there is a significant part of this homeless population and some of the other issues that are that are vets. Like it's just, you know, you can't. Yeah, well, you can, because we do. But to me you can't just like break people and then be like you know, thank you for your. I think we've got to put these people back together again. We broke them Like we broke them. We should try to fix that. No, should we argue about it? So anyway, but hopefully there's going to be some improvement in California, because I'm like this is so deeply fucked up, yeah.

Speaker 4: 27:57

And we thank everyone who has served and continues to serve, and thank you to the men and women keep us safe and put themselves on the line. Sometimes it is a practical matter to join the armed forces. Sometimes it just ends up being people have done the numbers and say, ok, if you can keep education low enough and keep the cost of living high enough, you will force a certain percentage of people into the bosom of the military. I mean, it's reprehensible, but for the people that have been back to the corner and and then serve the country, we thank you. And yes, the veterans who come home should be treated like it's orders of magnitude better than they are being treated. They really. We really need a complete reevaluation of how we view service in this country and in this world, not just in the military, but public. Service is something that we need, is something that has slipped. We're going to get into that as we talk about our last person.

Speaker 4: 29:04

I want to bring up a funny thing which is on International Women's Day, maybe the most prominent and one of the one of at least one of the top three best female women soccer players in the world. Our name is Sam Kerr. She's an Australian, she's like more popular in Australia than like Hugh Jack. You know she's more popular that she's just like she is the darling of that country. She plays professionally in England for Columbia and Chelsea. I just I just mentioned Chelsea. Kat McCarriel plays for them as well. They have some. They have the goddamn, they have a team. Oh my God, they just signed this super star in my room, airs from Columbia, who I said Columbia's got some up and coming players. She just I think it was the highest paid signing in history to get this Colombian player to play for Chelsea. Anyway, sam Kerr run her up to the ball ball into, or last year, meaning the best player in soccer.

Speaker 4: 30:06

Then the story comes out a couple days ago where it's like she's being charged in an incident and then the whispers are that she made a racial, some kind of racial comment and it took the police in England 10 months to charge her, which I was like, hmm, gee, I wish If this was a man playing for Chelsea, for the Chelsea men's club, you think that that somebody would have been charged over there and I'm like this is got to be horrible. Right, it's got to be horrible. They had to like deliberate 10 months. Now we hear whiffs of sort of racial overtones and everybody braces themselves. We all go oh God, I love Sam Kerr, please, she's mouthy, sam Kerr is mouthy, I love her she's. She's brash, she's, she's Australian. She won a tournament one time that nobody thought she could win and her in the interview she she said, oh yeah, she's like, so suck on that one.

Speaker 4: 31:01

That was what she said to all her critics suck on that one. So if you love that and he loves somebody thumbing their thumb in their nose at the people that are sort of oppositional to her, you like this. I've always I've always been amazed by Sam Kerr. She is truly like a legend in the sport. What she can do I've seen her like jump in the air, twist and spin and kick a goal, like behind her back, like like things that should not be possible. You're like I that's not fair, like that's not human Right.

Speaker 3: 31:38

I mean, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 4: 31:39

Yeah, no, men, women doesn't matter. That's an alien, You're an alien species, because that shouldn't be possible. She's so good. So, anyway, all of us who love Sam Kerr go to bed with her stomach and knots. We wake up the next day to find out that what she did was she. I mean, when you think racially, you think a lot of horrible shit, right, and you, just you could be anything. But it turns out she was apparently drinking. There was an incident in the back I don't know back of a car or something, where she was sick. I couldn't, I couldn't, I'm not sure exactly what it was, but she apparently called a cop, a stupid white bastard.

Speaker 3: 32:19

That is technically racial.

Speaker 2: 32:23

Was it? Was he not white? Because otherwise that feels like identifying I was like identifying isn't.

Speaker 4: 32:33

I mean, like the whole thing is like OK, yes, it is that it right, we ideally in a better world, we shouldn't race. Race Should not come in to any conversation of bastards. You can be a standalone bastard of any race. Right, ideally in a perfect world, right, right, when you're calling someone a bastard, you want to be one of those liars that says I don't see color, but but what the thing about this is? You hear this and you know who Sam Kerr is and you know like what kind of like she's. Like a truth teller? She doesn't. She doesn't mincer words, right, and among myself, I was talking to my daughter about who's a big soccer fan and on these message boards and we're like what percentage of likelihood is it that the person she called a stupid white bastard is in fact a stupid white bastard? Like how? What's the Venn diagram here?

Speaker 3: 33:29

You know the circle.

Speaker 2: 33:32

It is a circle. It is a circle. That is exactly what it is I'm like, and this is absolutely.

Speaker 4: 33:37

Anyway. So the plot thickens because, well, this is where we are right now. So every one of us breathe this time really from like oh, thank God same. All right, she's like a legend, yeah, we can still, whatever. Now they say they have body cam footage and you know, there may be some.

Speaker 3: 33:50

when you're like, okay, is he going to be okay? Is he going to be okay? Is he all right? Is he, after Sam Kerr called him a stupid white bastard, is he going to finally figure out how white people are going to make it?

Speaker 4: 34:04

I mean, I mean, come on, it's stuff for white people, white people on those streets, yeah.

Speaker 3: 34:08

I mean seriously, we're really going to do this, but okay, all right, okay.

Speaker 4: 34:13

Yeah, that part is pretty crazy yeah.

Speaker 2: 34:16

So this reminds me I'm rewatching 30 Rock right now, which there's some shit that I'm like oh, that was, that was incredibly of its time and is not super well, not a lot, but yeah, but by and large it's mostly.

Speaker 2: 34:31

I also like to take the view that, unless it was uncalled for at the time, if that was sort of how weird comedy was, I'm going to give it a little bit of leeway. I also wouldn't say like I wouldn't put it on for my nieces right now. I wouldn't be like oh, don't worry about that. Okay, joe, it's totally fine, like there's interesting I get it yeah.

Speaker 2: 34:52

This is because, I watched it the first time around that I can get into it. Anyway, the point of all of this is that on the show, one of the writers calls Liz Liz Lemon played by Tina Fey who creates and runs the show and is everybody's boss, and calls her a cunt. She overhears him saying that they obviously didn't say this on NBC in the odds. But so what she says is you can't use that word if there is not an equivalent word that I could use against you. So like, what is the word that I use against a dude? That is the equivalent of cunt.

Speaker 3: 35:31

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 35:32

And there is a one, and so this is why, yeah, no, if you're, if you're a person of color, you could say white. You could say white with the derogatory dripping off your tongue, and I'm like well, that's fine. Like what? Are you going to call me a cracker? That's not a honky.

Speaker 3: 35:49

Yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean like what are we discussing?

Speaker 2: 35:50

You tell me what you're going to call me when you say cracker, matter Honky. I mean, this is I even remember I am old enough now that we're going to talk about that much, now that when they're not even good sir makes a cut.

Speaker 1: 36:04

There are no good starts.

Speaker 2: 36:05

Yeah.

Speaker 4: 36:06

Sir, makes a lot that's as good as it's going to get.

Speaker 2: 36:09

When Sir makes a lot had in his song even white boys got a show. Baby got back. I remember there being some stupid white people are like well, that's not come on. Like what are we? What are we getting upset about here? It's like, well, we can't work up, we're just going to bring race in this for no reason and I'm like it's shut up. I mean come on If you're the white boy that's getting upset about that line. You shouldn't be listening to the song in the first place. It's probably hate crime, somehow.

Speaker 4: 36:38

It makes me laugh whenever the hot hot. Shell Ray has a song. I forget that it was the name of the song, but they say like even the white folks, or something like that. Like about, like average dancers, like even the white people, or something. Yeah, man, go ahead. Like you, you white people around the edges at the club here. Yeah, just, it's all right.

Speaker 3: 36:54

It's okay, get on in here.

Speaker 4: 36:55

Yeah, I'm like that's not yeah.

Speaker 3: 37:01

It's just. I mean it's, it's and this came, I guess, in part out of the thing with the searches, but it's that person. I always feel like I don't believe you, that you're really making that point. I believe that you're trying to win so you can do whatever shitty thing it is you want to do next. But also then I find myself going and if you really do think that way, sweet Jesus, like I can't, like I don't have the lifetimes to help you through. Why you're thinking is a catastrophe. Like your thinking is such a mess. I don't even have like, what, like it never occurred to me to look for International Men's Day. Maybe that makes me a bad man, but I'm like, what, like why, for what?

Speaker 2: 37:53

Yeah, no, and this is the same bullshit. Thinking that Led Zack Snyder to say, probably my movie is better than Barbie. Probably, if you think about it, probably, because then white people could say, like well, if you're bringing up race, then obviously this is a, it is a tool of saying you don't get to have the rules applied to you in the same way, because the rules are designed in order to benefit me. So the rule is I come out on top.

Speaker 3: 38:22

And that part. It's that the actual rule is I come out on top. Yep, that's the actual and that's what you reacted to is Zack Snyder, and that's why I like, because I know, like and I've been on the side of it where somebody who I'm rooting for gets the great Netflix numbers and it's all hooting and hollering and whatever. So I don't want to act like now, like oh, they don't matter, but what you were reacting to is in my or when you just shared it. It's not about how many eyeballs or any of this. It's that you needed to do all that calculus to make sure we understood that the boy movie beat the girl movie. And we're not doing this. Yep, absolutely.

Speaker 2: 39:01

Fucking absolutely. This is speaking of movies that maybe didn't hold up super well. Big Daddy, adam Sandler I know I've mentioned it before, but the Julian, the little kid, is playing cards one time and he says I got a six and eight and a Jack and I went. And Rob Snyder, because he's a child both in real life and movie, says it's bullshit, should be same set of rules for both people. And he's right. But also the kid was like the rule is I went because I went because I went.

Speaker 2: 39:31

That's how it goes, do you?

Speaker 3: 39:33

not know. Yeah, that's the thing.

Speaker 2: 39:36

No, I just heard yeah, and this is why this is why Tucker Carlson gets to pretend that he is cool, in addition to all of the other things that he gets to pretend that he is. Well, why shouldn't I be? When have I ever had anybody say no to me on anything?

Speaker 3: 39:50

about it. Yeah, don't, please, please. We don't. Even this podcast doesn't have the time.

Speaker 2: 39:57

It's true. Ted Lasson would not, would not take time for Dr Carlson.

Speaker 3: 40:04

They're few people, like they're definitely people who I just see them and I don't need context or provocation, like I'm like, all I want is five minutes. I don't feel like that's a lot to me, if we're all honest. I feel like it's a public service. But even if it's not a public service, all I ask is like he is definitely on that, I think he is, he's, he's the worst of everything we just described and then somehow like concentrated, I'm just yeah.

Speaker 2: 40:40

It's it's that he's so off putting in addition to everything else.

Speaker 3: 40:44

Yeah, like that's what I can't get past. I'm like, yeah, even if you were a liberal, I don't think I would like you. So no, add all this to that is a lot, yeah.

Speaker 2: 40:56

I'm wrong and I don't think you're that good. I don't think you're cool at all.

Speaker 3: 41:03

Like at all. Like there are people who say things I find deplorable. Who I am like. I get it. I get how people line up behind that person, I get how they dial in, even if it's not my style, I get it. But him I'm like oh yeah, Anyway, sorry, coach, did you have an agenda or a thing you want to do?

Speaker 4: 41:24

I want to talk a little bit about. It's a dimension is international women's day. I want to. We have a. Our audiences is mostly women and I always I love that. I love that because this is our message, it's something we believe in, it's who we are as people. It's fundamentally our, one of our guiding core principles. When, when men join the buttercups, when men join our listening community, it makes me so happy because we talked about the male avatar and what we saw in Ted Lasso, and I'm always confused why men, especially modern men, are so threatened by the concept of feminism and being a feminist, identifying yourself as a feminist. And on international women's day, I want to read a couple of my favorite quotes about this subject and I want to say thank you. Weird, weird segue, because we have a. We have a butter company named Eric and Eric has been supporting us since last year and I missed the email where Eric signed up to support, so Eric was not part of the Buttercup site.

Speaker 2: 42:44

God damn it.

Speaker 4: 42:46

Now I got an email from I got somebody DM me on Twitter. This is this is Buttercup Brian. Brian did also not get into the site, so when I started looking at Brian's thing I noticed oh my God, there's a few other people who slipped through. I what I did was I paid paid one of my nephews to set up my inbox so that the field it would filter when people sign up to subscribe, so go right to the top of my list, and he made a new folder for it. That I was.

Speaker 1: 43:17

So you're waiting to see it? Yeah, I want to see that. I said make them important.

Speaker 4: 43:21

So, anyway, it's okay, a simple mistake, but some of these people have not been in the community site, and so I want to thank Eric because he joined today and it was really got me really excited to see him in there, and thank Brian for reaching out to me so I actually can solve this problem.

Speaker 4: 43:42

But I really like you know, when we talk about the king of the Buttercups and the type of man that is attracted to Ted Lassler's message and our message, you know it's doesn't get better than Jeff and and I just want to thank all of the people who are in this with us and proudly identify as feminists and and support just just calling out the bullshit and the lack of of equality and like, just be there with us and and we really appreciate it. There's a few quotes that I pulled that I really liked. One is a huge part of being a feminist is giving other women the freedom to make choices you might not necessarily make yourself as a woman. Another one is if my feminism intimidates your masculinity, ask yourself why your masculinity is contingent on oppressing me. Another one is feminism isn't about making women stronger. Women are already strong. It's about changing the way the world perceives that strength.

Speaker 3: 44:46

Yeah, real quick coach, because I'll forget it. And I think John Thompson, who was a legendary college basketball coach for Georgetown, when he won his first, when Georgetown, with him as coach, won their first NCAA championship, there was a lot of and predictably and, I think, rightly frankly a lot of talk about oh, first black coach, first black coach, first black coach. And he stopped some people in post game who were talking about that. He said I really want to make sure we're not talking about this the wrong way, because to say I'm the first black coach suggests that finally there's a black person capable of doing this. And I was like yeah, like I remember watching that clip and being like yeah, like I didn't.

Speaker 3: 45:38

I hadn't thought about it exactly that way, but I was like yeah. So when you just read that quote, it just made me think of that and it's really important to see like yeah, no, no, no. It's not like we're helping women to being equal to men. That's not what the equaling part is. The equaling part's about the treatment. Guys, that's what we do, yeah look, look at that.

Speaker 4: 46:01

Just reminded me of a quote from Ruth Bader Ginsburg, who said that people would ask her how many women on the Supreme Court are enough. You know how many people are enough to remember this? Yes, and she said when there are nine and people get shocked, they go. Oh my God.

Speaker 3: 46:19

I golf clap the first time I saw it, I was like yes.

Speaker 4: 46:23

She says people get shocked and she goes, but there's been nine men and no one's ever raised a question about that.

Speaker 3: 46:29

Ever, ever it's oh there we go.

Speaker 4: 46:34

I love it, boss, just ran and got a hold that up. We got to take a screenshot. I'm gonna, I'm gonna, take a picture. Hold on. Oh, that's so good, yes.

Speaker 3: 46:46

When there are nine sweatshirt, that's awesome.

Speaker 4: 46:50

I love it, right, and so we take this for granted. One, one last one that I, that I really love you don't become a feminist. Have you guys heard this one I really love. This is my favorite of the bunch because I've thought about this the most and it just got. It really resonates with me. You don't become a feminist, you're born a feminist. No one is born believing that women deserve less rights than others. The patriarchy teaches us that everyone is born a feminist, and either you remain a feminist or you become a misogynist. That's, that's how I was like I dig it. When I first read that, I was like isn't that interest? That's such a great take. Go ahead, boss.

Speaker 2: 47:39

So there are how man? There's so many things I want to say about this. One of the things I want to go back to very quickly is this idea of women. It's not about making women stronger. Women always have been strong.

Speaker 2: 47:52

There's a bunch of layers of bullshit that go along with this, because it the patriarchy does in fact say women are not strong, women are weak and we need to protect them. So it automatically lessens women's inherent power by saying you can't do these things, but then also expects them to be extremely strong and resilient and able to endure bullshit in other ways that we don't ask men to do. So we tell you you're weak and then we make you need to be strong and then we don't acknowledge the strength that you have. So that, like there's a whole level of that where we should allow people to be the level of strong that they are and strong in the ways that they are. But I can't remember. I should have flagged it. I know that it was a black woman, because they teach me really important things all the time, but one of the things I saw on Twitter maybe, or some place is I don't want to be strong, I want to be fragile.

Speaker 3: 48:50

Yes.

Speaker 2: 48:51

I want to be able to be fragile Yep. Yep I like I want to be treated delicately. I don't want to have to have the armor required to be a black woman in American society because it's fucking bullshit and I shouldn't have. She shouldn't have to like that. That is a thing where intersectionality comes into play so strongly because we tell people we especially tell black women if you are too strong, then then you're an angry black woman. We don't want that.

Speaker 3: 49:21

We don't want to do that.

Speaker 2: 49:23

Be careful, well, so you need to be exactly the right level of strong, even though we tell you that you aren't that and even though maybe you're not fucking up for it all the time and it's so much bullshit that we didn't know. Yeah, no, no, no.

Speaker 3: 49:38

And I wish I could remember, because I saw it too, and remember thinking like oh yeah, and it makes me like I don't know what I'm going. Yeah, wait, what the fuck. Like that's not like. Why are we? Why are we testing everyone's resilience like resilience like that's, like, that's the in case of emergency break glass?

Speaker 2: 49:56

Yes.

Speaker 3: 49:57

Of our, of ourselves, like we shouldn't just be like using that every day of the week Like what's happening.

Speaker 2: 50:03

Yeah, like there is something fucked up. Where again in just in terms of resources, we have all of the resources required for nearly every human being on the earth to make sure that they have a life free of hunger, poverty, being on house, like all of those things, and we're still like, oh, we better get tougher. Oh, you know, stop being such a panko.

Speaker 4: 50:28

If we tried to do something like that and feed everyone and care, give everybody health care, how would trillionaires be able to build penis shaped rockets and go to space for 25 minutes? I just don't think you think things through. That's all. That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 3: 50:50

Yeah, so that makes.

Speaker 2: 50:51

That makes a ton of sense that some. That's exactly because everybody knows that the rockets going to space 50 or 60 years from now will possibly lead to some sort of technology that then we could use to free the world of hunger. We need the penis rockets first.

Speaker 4: 51:11

Or then we could do the rest or hear me out. We could build robotic women so we wouldn't have to hear all the human women nagging Right.

Speaker 2: 51:23

We could know. I mean, let's, if we're gonna, if we're gonna go down that road.

Speaker 1: 51:26

I would like to point out trillionaires.

Speaker 2: 51:29

I would like to point out that we have methods of obtaining and also storing semen from now until the end of civilization. So, theoretically, theoretically, we could get by without you.

Speaker 4: 51:45

You could clip us why the last man.

Speaker 1: 51:48

I thought you're going on.

Speaker 4: 51:50

I thought you're gonna go on obtaining there.

Speaker 2: 51:51

No no, no, no, no, no. But yeah, nothing, I'm just saying straight up if we wanted to like, if we want to just start killing off men, just willy nilly whenever they it's a miracle you have it's a.

Speaker 4: 52:01

It is a. You talk about the great get, no good.

Speaker 3: 52:06

We do it, we do, we do we do, we do, we do, we do, we do, we do, we do, we do we talk about this all the way like there's no, there's no good reason. There's. I mean, yeah, I've said it, I've said it publicly, I've said it on social media. If one morning I wake up and the news is women are killing men around the globe, part of me is going to be like we kind of had it coming, like we like I'm not saying it's okay, I'm not saying I want to be killed.

Speaker 3: 52:31

I'm not saying I want to see friends get killed. But like I can't be like huh Whoa, like part of me will be like, yeah, well, you know we had a good run guys. But yeah, like this day was always coming, like this is bullshit man.

Speaker 4: 52:46

We said this on so many times. Where I read that one tweet, I found where it said hey, what if there were no men who would protect women? And their response was right from who Right?

Speaker 3: 52:59

Oh yeah.

Speaker 4: 53:00

Oh shit, damn it. Anyway, international Women's Day, thank you to our boss, emily Chambers. We have been doing this for years with you. Now, and you, you ruffle some feathers, boss, I'm not gonna lie, there's some people I you know, yeah.

Speaker 1: 53:18

You have a knack, you take your heels in.

Speaker 4: 53:21

You got a perspective. We love you, we admire you. It's sometimes I know it's, you know you're, you're an acquired taste, and but man damn it's been.

Speaker 4: 53:37

It's been so much fun working with you. And then to close the loop of that, last night you don't believe this last night my, my better half, juliana, flew to Los Angeles. She didn't fly last night, she flew a couple days ago, but there was a concert in Los Angeles that she wanted to attend. It was a Madonna concert and she has a lot of love for old school Madonna and growing up to that music. And so she said I don't know if I'll ever get to see Madonna in concert. I really want to go to this. So she got tickets with a friend and flew out and I had heard from one gentleman I like to call Coach Bishop that that his darling wife, daphne, might also be at the concert. And so it turns out they were at the same concert and Juliana texted Daphne right before the show and said hey, you know what? What section are you in? And turns out did you know this, coach?

Speaker 3: 54:35

They were no, I haven't talked yet, because I would. Yeah, I have one section over that all they did.

Speaker 4: 54:42

They walked to the aisle. They just walked right up the aisle and they were right there. They get out of here. That's great, I'm waiting on, remind Daphne to send. I'm waiting on pictures because she okay, okay on her phone but.

Speaker 3: 54:54

I probably gonna surprise me, because she didn't send them. I passed out last night, engaged in a little what I like to call THC, tlc, oh good, good, good.

Speaker 2: 55:05

I love that.

Speaker 4: 55:07

Again, it's okay for you to kill us because we don't do a whole hell of a lot and no but that. But that's great, I love it. Coach, good self care is important and when we talk about colonization we talk about I was thinking the other day when I'm with my gaming group and I talk with my friends, I've mentioned that one of the guys is the son of two philosophy professors. So he just always pushes everyone's, you know. He just always challenging and questioning.

Speaker 4: 55:37

And I was talking about boss a little bit and I said you know, she has this thing. She says where she goes, no, you punch a Nazi. And I'm like, I love her and I've always said this. I admire the clarity around it because I always want to extend and all have branched everybody. And so when I said, I said, yeah, you know, emily always says you punch Nazi and I'm like where? But where's the line where you don't punch him? He's like oh, okay, yeah, he's like. So he sent me this thing from Carl Popper, a philosopher, carl Popper with a K, and it's called the open society and its enemies, and one of the quotes in it was anyone demanding toleration for the free expression of their views must allow the same toleration to the expression of views with which they disagree. Conversely, the intolerant cannot expect toleration. I said okay, there we go. Right. That like yes, that's generally your punch in the Nazi.

Speaker 3: 56:36

Yeah, and, and sort of a related idea, and Daphne's heard this rant probably about 700,000, 348 times. But Good and I use that word quite advisedly but good people, the people in this world who are trying to make the world a better place for all the other people, often have their goodness, their values, their principles weaponized against them Right. So now, oh yeah, so tolerant. But now you want me to put out that burning cross, like, get the fuck out. I'm doing this one for you. Yes, yes, yes. Do you love it, you man? Oh what.

Speaker 1: 57:25

I gotta put out my burning cross.

Speaker 3: 57:31

What the fuck are we discussing right now? But they right, am I? You know what I'm saying? Like they, it gets presented as if like, oh well, you know I'm like, no, absolutely the fuck, not, absolutely the fuck, not. So yeah, I mean, yeah, so that's my, that's my. You punch a Nazi, but yeah.

Speaker 4: 57:47

I'm like no fucking way, this is perfect. This is perfect because I want to highlight we don't. We try not to get weighed into politics too much on the show, but I will say, with regard to the colonization of women, the hegemonic patriarchy, that sort of imbues its negative message to everyone who will listen and specifically, that reaction that you just did, coach, is something that's happening all day today. With respect to it wasn't, strangely enough, you had a president? United States president Joe Biden, gave the state of the union address. It's for those friends of ours outside the country it is, I think they know, but I'll say it's the annual time where he sums up the you know all the progress that his administration has made and generally gives the what they call the state of the union address. Let's, let's us know the state of the union, after which there's always customarily a response from the one.

Speaker 4: 58:48

There's only two political parties here, because we're binary thinkers. We don't need more. We don't need your stinking badges, we don't need your stinking environmental parties, or you know, we just have to. Yeah, we don't need a, we don't need any other, but it's a flip of a coin one side or the other, but historically, the other party who does not have the presidency response, and it's always interesting to see who the the other party sends up to do their response. And so the coach, the response coach did for what the fuck are we even talking about? Last night, the this is the conversation for those of you when I said I walked in on boss and coach talking about something this is the topic and I said no, no, no, no, you got to save it for game time. Last night, the Republican Party sent up a junior senator from, or freshman senator.

Speaker 4: 59:45

I guess they call it from Alabama yeah it's a first time senator, her name is Katie Britt and she gave an address in a in I, theoretically in response to the State of the Union, and the responses are so what the fuck? Like there's. I've never in my life seen anything like the responses where people are like like I've never heard people say about a political speech, I'm like scared and creeped out and I'm like really you're freaking me out, man, like there's. No, I've never heard this before.

Speaker 2: 1:00:26

You're freaking me out.

Speaker 3: 1:00:28

But yeah, I mean it was yeah, go go, go get your hair cut.

Speaker 4: 1:00:32

Listen, hold on here's the thing I will. I'm on a we're gonna. We're gonna. Okay to say that that freshman senator, katie Britt, from Alabama, has been getting dragged. Oh yeah, re reaffirms the usage of that term. You know the meaning of it because I have never I don't think I've ever seen someone get dragged in this particular way. So she, she's, she's, she's having a day. Now I will say this I don't like making fun of women, I don't like. You know, like we always, we start, we say listen, give women the benefit of the doubt. But when you heard what Serena Joy said last, I'm sorry, katie Britt said that yeah, that's fucking, that's fucking it exactly.

Speaker 2: 1:01:16

That's fucking it. Except, except that Serena Joy actually spoke with a regular voice, except she got up there and actually just fucking talked.

Speaker 4: 1:01:24

All right, but I'm gonna let you take the lead. But here's what I will say. I want to say this from from, actually from what what boss would call my hufflepuff heart I really wish that Senator Katie Britt, who is one of a very select number of people who can actually enact change, like make things happen on a global scale. I just wish she could see, like I wish, she could step outside, whatever her personal world view is, because she actually has power, she can actually make things happen. And to see what she settles for, what she's been conditioned and bred and designed to settle for, like where she thinks, like this is the scope of what my existence should entail. When she's a US Senator, it's, it breaks your heart. You just go, man, like, all kidding aside, we're gonna, we're gonna have some fun at Katie Britt's expense, but I'll tell you that when you step back and you say no, listen because, because, we talked about.

Speaker 3: 1:02:31

It's just funny to be like just hold on kids. The adult time's about to end.

Speaker 4: 1:02:38

It's like nine strut and fraud. I don't, we don't want to like okay, because here's the thing, part of it is you go, you have like a blank twice sensibility to it. We're like are you like safe?

Speaker 3: 1:02:51

Like are you okay? It was it was, yeah, the stepford of it, but I'm yeah. Anyway, I am very curious to hear where where uh boss wants to go, because that last point in particular definitely got a reaction of some sort. So yeah, I'm curious.

Speaker 4: 1:03:07

Yeah, tell us about them putting a woman in the kitchen to respond. Oh, wow.

Speaker 1: 1:03:13

Anyway, sorry, go ahead.

Speaker 2: 1:03:16

I don't feel sorry for that bitch at all. That's how I feel about it. I mean not even an iota of feeling bad, feeling like, oh no, I'm worried about. I feel bad that you were so tricked into this, what she was doing and I can't even advise people to go watch it because it's extremely unsettling.

Speaker 2: 1:03:36

But what she does is a very standard white woman close to tears, so sad that people aren't understanding that. She just wants everybody to get along really well and I just want to return to family values where everybody can sit around the kitchen table together with their own families. And please don't come to my house. I don't want you at my house, but I do want to sit at my. That's how she talked the entire time, and all of it was about returning to a time and a place that never existed, that never actually happened for the majority of women in the country, and she is doing it entirely because her proximity to patriarchal white men makes it so that she gets to feel better about herself than other people, and this is why I don't feel sorry for the bitch.

Speaker 4: 1:04:27

No, no, listen, I don't feel sorry for her at all, especially because she went on Fox News the following morning, this morning, and kept saying she was horrible. She is a uniquely terrible person and I'm very sorry that it happens to be a woman that we're talking about on International Women's Day and I'm very sorry that to see the level of colonization and the level of fucking crazy, like where I go, are you out of your fucking mind? And just saying, like this, it's like Trump talking points, you just go. She's like, oh, he's out of touch. You're like are you like what? Oh, first of all, she sat there and she talked about a woman being raped, okay, and she was like with a straight face, pretending to have emotion about a woman who was raped over and over inside the cartel system, without saying, and if I had my way, if she got pregnant?

Speaker 1: 1:05:17

on those right one of those rates.

Speaker 4: 1:05:20

I would force her to deliver. There's no ownership whatsoever. She will use someone's suffering to try to further her agenda, even though she doesn't have any fucking idea what her agenda is. And it makes me crazy and I'm like I just don't understand that the divide is so nuts because people weren't like. I kind of see where I wrote a tweet about it where I said I thought Bobby Jindal was the worst speech. Response speech.

Speaker 3: 1:05:47

And you would bet I would pick Rubio, but Jindal was really bad. A hundred thousand legs later, or whatever.

Speaker 4: 1:05:55

You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, that was Rubio and the water was pretty bad, but I was like I remember thinking Jindal was like the most flaccid response. Yeah, no he was terrible, but this one was like this wasn't like, oh, I kind of see her, her, whatever it's all, like it's actively creepy, Like there's a if this is what they think the best person they can send up to like inside the Republican ranks right now they're talking about.

Speaker 4: 1:06:20

this is a disaster, this is a Hindenburg and this is going to hurt the election because we're putting forward this is supposed to be putting forward. Someone really fundamentally gets it.

Speaker 3: 1:06:32

And everyone's going I what is this?

Speaker 3: 1:06:35

Well, there are a number of things, because it really was a train wreck. So I'm going to have a little bit of fun first and say that as I our conversation Boston, I started out and I confessed immediately that I frankly because I've been unplugging a lot forgot it was a state of the union. And then some text messages came through and I was like oh yeah. But I was in the super sweet spot of being high and I was like I'm not ruining this for these. I was like I'm just going to stop checking my phone when it buzzes so that I don't get free. You know, that was me testing, by the way.

Speaker 3: 1:07:14

Yeah, yeah it was, it was that group. It was like, yeah, I had a couple of groups going and I was like, nope, quiet, quiet, quiet, quiet, I'll be back. And then I, so I waited to come down out of there and then when I was like, all right, fine, what are you fucking people? So then I watched. But the beauty of that was then I really sat and watched both the speech and the response, because I didn't have anybody to text with and the interact with that was over. And so while she was talking, I was laughing and I and I was like, am I higher than I think? Because this is weird, right, If I didn't have, I didn't have anyone else.

Speaker 3: 1:07:55

So I was like, is she in a kitchen? Because she is one of a hundred senators in this country, why is she responding from a and a? It looked like a kitchen set, it looked like a sitcom. That may be her real kitchen. I don't know whose kitchen that was, but it was certainly cleaned and organized within an inch of its existence and with, you know, kids pictures perfectly placed over one shoulder and fruit kind of kind of in frame. So like, yes, I love my kids, but by no means am I saying we should feed our kids good food. It was really weird.

Speaker 4: 1:08:36

I don't appreciate that because that was, that was not a set, that that was her kitchen and it's the kitchen where, frankly, they do a lot of worrying.

Speaker 3: 1:08:46

I was like what's happening? What the fuck is happening?

Speaker 2: 1:08:52

Yeah, that's yeah, that's yeah, but really worrying yeah. And, and, and this is so much better off four years ago.

Speaker 4: 1:08:58

So much better off. I see why you'd worry now, man, you know just.

Speaker 2: 1:09:03

I go well, you know what? I don't remember anybody bothering me four years ago. Four years ago, I'm pretty sure I was just like hanging out by myself and nobody nobody was really in my face, that I didn't have to deal with people. Oh, it's because a million people died, because of the president.

Speaker 3: 1:09:23

You know, you know my biggest problem with you is. You're always focused on the negative.

Speaker 2: 1:09:30

Oh, it's, yeah, it's just a million people died Actually, you know what?

Speaker 3: 1:09:34

People died unnecessarily.

Speaker 4: 1:09:35

Yeah well well, I mean a million people died.

Speaker 2: 1:09:39

You know what? This is all really fair and I should point out it. Actually it wasn't. It wasn't four weeks ago or four years ago. It was actually four years and one week ago, because I'm pretty sure, I'm pretty sure it was March 15th.

Speaker 4: 1:09:52

Oh yeah, that is, it was actually a day of the start. Yeah, because the 13th was the.

Speaker 3: 1:09:56

Friday, the 13th was the. Friday, Because I remember at Friday. Yeah, anyway, yes, correct?

Speaker 2: 1:10:01

I will be very honest. I remember here in Chicago finding out that they were canceling the St Patrick's Day parade and I was like, wait, oh shit is real.

Speaker 3: 1:10:11

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you were like that is not for to happen, right, yeah?

Speaker 2: 1:10:17

So apparently March 4th is the founding of Chicago. So happy birthday to my favorite city in the entire world. I love you so much.

Speaker 2: 1:10:24

I do need to write a post about how we love Chicago and Chicago fucking wants us out. They keep sending floods and fires and every all this other shit they're like. Please don't live on me. Anyway, it's my problem with Katie Britt and with pretending not pretending, but assuming that she is complicit in her own oppression because she's been tricked or because she's been taught something else is that it denies the fact that there are layers of oppression and she is intentionally choosing a model that puts her layer at higher up than other limits.

Speaker 3: 1:11:05

Yep.

Speaker 2: 1:11:06

And when it comes to punching a Nazi, the thing is she can say I think life begins at conception and so abortion is morally wrong for me. And I'm like I totally understand If that is your deeply held personal belief. I absolutely understand that it is when she says so you can't have an abortion, that it becomes. I'm not being intolerant of your viewpoint. Your viewpoint is I'm not allowed to do something with my body that I want to, because you believe something that you cannot prove.

Speaker 2: 1:11:39

Zack Snyder, you could go ahead and fucking believe that you a million people a day saw your movie for six years straight. It's a belief that you can't back up. So you are allowed to do whatever you want with your body according to my viewpoint. And your viewpoint is I have to do what you say, and that's why I can't be tolerant of what you say, and that's why I got to punch fucking Nazi in the face. Because I say Nazis are allowed to be alive and Nazis say your Jewish friends need to be killed. And I can't abide by that shit. That's the stuff that I can't. I can't let you believe that thing, because it's dangerous for me and my friends.

Speaker 3: 1:12:12

Yeah, yes, yeah, yes To everything you just said, 100%. I would add that, as long as we're talking about what gets weaponized, the, the, the, the quivering, and it was bad acting, by the way I, I described it as a high school production of Wait, hold on, let me check it this right a high school production of Concerned mom goes to Washington.

Speaker 4: 1:12:45

It was terrible, it was really the best parts people putting soap opera music over it and Sarah.

Speaker 3: 1:12:54

McLaughlin over it. The Sarah McLaughlin one is classic. Really good find it.

Speaker 4: 1:12:58

It's really funny inside the actors studio. There's like so many things.

Speaker 3: 1:13:03

It was yeah, I was like who is she fooling? And so part of what offends me about it is all the things that we're saying politically are at play, but also that she and some group of people maybe it was just her people, maybe it was aren't see. Maybe who knows who said we got to sell this? How do we sell this? Oh, we sell this by you using a baby voice in a kitchen, and that's how we're gonna Defang that. You're lobbying to be the vice-president presidential Candidate with a rapist, but we need but we need women to vote. So what are we gonna do about that?

Speaker 4: 1:13:45

Baby voice, baby voice. You know, yeah, where you go, like let's always a pretty mom with a, you know, super conservative attitude, you know like a hockey mom, vibe, it's like no, she has to understand the concepts, like she had when she said across and put a T at the end of the word across, which which I'm just like.

Speaker 3: 1:14:09

I like, just basic but I think what we dealt with last night is is different though, because in a way that Sarah Sarah Palin was in on a certain part of the joke and Definitely worked that like oh for sure, but this woman, what I'm saying here is she is in other settings a serious woman. I might disagree with her, I might find the thing she says offensive, horrifying, all the things.

Speaker 3: 1:14:40

But I promise you that when she's in our meetings and the tongue we can't use and talk like that, like what the fuck was that? What was it? And and I think you know it was I frankly horrifying when boss was able to, to get there in 0.0 seconds and I actually will call us out because it was fun, it's funny, mm-hmm, but it was also like a little scary, like I sat here going like this is how motherfuckers end up in jail, like we could have. We could be standing outside of Boss's apartment having a conversation about whether Roy should have gotten in a fight with JB and the cops roll by and Boss goes into that voice yes, that's you here.

Speaker 3: 1:15:24

That's the last you hear of me.

Speaker 1: 1:15:27

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:15:28

Central Park guy like seriously, yes, so yes. Using that voice is not like oh, what a quaint choice like that is.

Speaker 2: 1:15:41

Of white women fragility in order to punish other people, and that is exact. Listen, I'm not saying every white woman, please don't come at me with this. You know it's obviously not every single one, but they're too fucking many of us resort to. I am. I'm frail and gentle and need to be protected by a big, strong white man, and it's almost always racialized. There might be a few occasions where it isn't entirely, but it's almost entirely racialized and it is to make our attachment to White men even stronger, because we are it, not we I don't do this shit like fuck off, but Too many women are pretty dependent on me.

Speaker 4: 1:16:23

It's true, you sort of hang on my every word. I mean, we can check the, we can check the tape. But I'm pretty sure you never disagree with me. You kind of just go along with everything.

Speaker 2: 1:16:36

No, I 100% agree with that what. I was gonna say about the voices, no, but so actually one of my favorite things on tiktok, because God bless Gen Z I. Kids, please save the world like I don't.

Speaker 2: 1:16:52

Yeah, I want to take some pressure off of Black women's shoulders and put it on to the next generation of people. Please, please, goddamn, save us. But one of my favorite things is that they will categorize haircuts as Feminine or mask Like masculine or feminine. They don't say like a men's haircut or women's haircut, and they also have like interesting people of any gender moving across that spectrum, and so what I do not want to do is Demonize femininity itself.

Speaker 2: 1:17:24

This is a performative version right especially fragile femininity in order to make other people Feel like they need to.

Speaker 3: 1:17:37

Running for, for you know whatever, and was in the kitchen, I'd be like okay.

Speaker 2: 1:17:42

We have a fucking make sense, although also Rachel Ray has that deep, husky voice that I'm into. That's a different thing.

Speaker 3: 1:17:47

Yeah, I gotta say yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:17:51

I got a. Before we move too far, I would like to say that my younger brother thinks Rachel Ray pretty hot he is. He's into the shorter sort of thicker ladies is his GM.

Speaker 1: 1:18:03

So that was got taste.

Speaker 3: 1:18:07

Anyway, it's not not nothing, but I, you know, I'm saying when you say I understand your thing.

Speaker 2: 1:18:12

I got it I understand where you're coming from with that I like that.

Speaker 2: 1:18:16

Yeah, no. So I think I do not want to in any way demonize things that are traditionally seen as being Womanly, like I don't want parenting, having children, cooking, fucking, arts and crafts, all the shit that women, the standard we have done. It's not that those are bad, it is this a Very rigid system that says those are things that women do and only women do that, and also a lot of society also says they're worse than the things men do. Like there is a judge right on both of them. But, like, if you are an extremely Gentle, kind, quiet, sort of feminine dude, I'm good with that, I'm totally fine, that is not a problem. It is this way. Oh, thank you, of course. Oh, but it's really, it's this way. It is women.

Speaker 2: 1:19:09

I feel, as wolves in sheep's clothing, like they are wrapping themselves in this yes. This softness in order to hide the fact that they are coming for your fucking birth control.

Speaker 1: 1:19:20

I need everybody in the country to know.

Speaker 3: 1:19:22

Yes, yes, yes, yes yes, 100% to what you just said, and I think, because what you spoke about earlier was the strengthening of the bond to you know, traditional power, let's say right, but also it's a masking of it, because yes she is coming for your fucking birth control. But she uses that baby doll voice and it's unthinkable that she's dangerous in any way, and I'm like she's dangerous in all the fucking ways, but don't, don't you bang this like this, is you?

Speaker 4: 1:20:00

know right, right. When you see this, right, your condition to think oh, that's, she's pretty, you know, yeah, whatever. You should have the same reaction as if you saw like a real-life vampire.

Speaker 1: 1:20:14

Like, like or like a werewolf about that.

Speaker 4: 1:20:17

She is a danger, she's a danger and present danger.

Speaker 4: 1:20:22

And, unless anyone thinks that we're exaggerating, I invite you to feel oh, I feel so badly for Katie break. Go watch that interview she did the very next morning on Fox and Friends, where she triples down and you hear her lie over and over again and how the everything was better with the previous Administrator. You just go, okay, like you're a fucking nutcase and I'm really sorry that this is how, the way it went for you, but like you are actively trying to take women's rights away.

Speaker 2: 1:20:52

And yes, you're the, you're the, you're a Cog in their machine and so and this is also a way where they could say well, how could I be sexist? We had a woman do it.

Speaker 2: 1:21:03

It's like well, because she could be like I have had yes, so many conversations before with Intelligent people who are politically savvy, who will say I don't understand why poor White people would vote for the Republican Party when the Republican Party has policies that make their situation worse. And I say, what's because of racism? And they're like well, you can't say that they're just racist, like maybe they're in the Republican Party Because Democrats call them racist. And I'm like no, it's because they are getting something out of the Republican Party and that something is Under this system. Even when they are poor, they are somehow still regarded as more highly than other races and that gives them a sense of power. They people. Jesus, I'm talking too much, but I what I will say is I know that I talked Obviously, come on happy International Women's Day.

Speaker 2: 1:22:02

Yeah, I'm just to pretend.

Speaker 4: 1:22:04

I don't, really, I can't.

Speaker 2: 1:22:06

I am letting my this point run away from me entirely, but I know that I've talked about the band bright eyes before and the album I'm wide awake, it's morning. So that album has two songs. The first one is at the bottom of the ocean I think I need to double check that and the other one is road to joy. It's beginning in the end of the album. In between the two of them they have lines that basically sum up everything I believe about society. And the first one is in road to joy.

Speaker 2: 1:22:38

He says no one ever plans to sleep out in the gutter Sometimes that's just the most comfortable place. And the other one is and into the face of every criminal strapped firmly to a chair. We must stare, we must stare. We must stare just in case you Want to know about the the fun side of the album, anyway, but the line about no one wants to sleep in the gutter, it's just the most comfortable place. What I will always 100% firmly believe is that whatever choices you have made have benefited you in some way, shape or form. Maybe not exactly the way that you wanted to, but if you picked a thing, you pick. That is be you picked it because there is Something about it that made you feel better or made your life better, or you thought it would and you were wrong. But if you vote for the party of the racist, sexist, homophobic assholes, it is because you have a connection to the racism, the sexism or the homophobia. I don't know what to tell you.

Speaker 3: 1:23:35

I don't know, yes, I don't know what to tell you. I'm so glad you raised that and I do want to bring this back to the gender conversation because it isn't international news, they're not just international. Whoops is awful and the big but. That's like what that's like what, but but I I really do think it's important to be on now. I lost it. Fuck around with the white boy day.

Speaker 4: 1:24:08

Wait a minute, it's also international ADHD you want to bring it.

Speaker 1: 1:24:13

You want to bring it back to gender.

Speaker 3: 1:24:16

But we're we left off. Where did boss leave us off?

Speaker 2: 1:24:18

I don't know what to tell you. I don't know to tell you about that, oh.

Speaker 3: 1:24:23

It's the, it's the desire to do what you just said, though, and then want to hide your hands. So it's like I'm gonna vote for the racist, homophobic, xenophobic, xenophobic option, but I don't like that part. I just like the other. Hold on, slow down, like Like it's like those new Jason Alexander Uh commercials. I'm like you don't get to yada, yada.

Speaker 1: 1:24:53

Racism, homophobia and rape culture.

Speaker 3: 1:24:57

That's not yada yada, that's not what that is at all, and I think we've put people in a position where they don't have as much powers. Maybe they should, but then I think it's also taught us all to figure out the fastest way to say I don't have any power in this situation, so you can't hold me responsible for what comes from it, and I think we all have to be responsible for what comes from it. There'll be people who are like well, certain former presidents were never my president, he was never my president, he's not my president. I was like no, no, he's my president. Like I didn't figure out how to get my team over the front. You know what I mean. Like we lost, like we lost, and so I don't get to say that. Like, whatever rules exist in this system, that person became president and so I got to own it.

Speaker 4: 1:25:51

You can't just love your country when you win coach.

Speaker 3: 1:25:54

Hey, joe, great line, joe, by the way, great line. But I think Joe Biden was on it there and I remember when I was backing and I beat this drum a lot when I was backing Bernie Sanders and I'm sure our international listeners are just like, wow, this is super fascinating guys. But when I was you know I'm backing Bernie and at one point I was like, hey, guess what? Like I don't even know all the ways, how, but backing Bernie's gonna cost me. I was like it is gonna personally cost me dollars than if I get my way. I just think it's worth it, but I can't back Bernie. And then when the taxes come, be like well, you know, I wasn't for that part. Like fuck you. Like you know, like that part makes the other part possible, yep, and I feel like you can't. I've been stunned, like absolutely blown away, by the number of people who've tried to hide in the certain clown area of voting because they, oh, but I don't like that part. Oh, really, you don't like that part, okay.

Speaker 2: 1:27:10

Well, that's a pretty major fucking part. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's one of those where I always love when people say, well, I don't want my tax dollars going for that, and I'm like, oh, do you want to know all the things that I want my tax dollars going for? Because either we're in a society or not, and if you want to not be, we can see how that goes. But we already did that like a hundred thousand years ago.

Speaker 3: 1:27:31

Which is why we made societies.

Speaker 2: 1:27:33

Got to this place. It's it like I also. Before we move on too much or end the episode, I'm not sure exactly where we're at at this point, so I've just been ranting. Not getting in that door, bro. Ah, part of the issue with this idea.

Speaker 4: 1:27:48

That's a hit man from the Republican Party coming.

Speaker 2: 1:27:50

They would not waste their time on me. I guess so little influence. Part of what bothers me so much about this idea that we are going to quote unquote, return to a previous America where the wives got to stay home, take care of the kids and everything was idyllic and it was leave it to be here is that they had laws in the South that said black women needed to be employed Legally. A black woman could not be a stay-at-home mom. She had to be employed, usually in a white household.

Speaker 3: 1:28:22

Can I tell you something? I have a degree in African American studies and I have been black my whole life.

Speaker 4: 1:28:27

That's not a, thing, I never knew that.

Speaker 3: 1:28:29

I never knew that, I never. You just straight up taught me that, like right now, yeah and I'm not saying I was today's year. Today years old like what people say. I was today years old when I found that piece of information out.

Speaker 2: 1:28:43

Yeah, and I am not saying that it was like federally mandated or that it was extremely widespread, but it was somehow enforced. It was very much enforced. I will also say that my dad was one of 11 kids who grew up on the South Side of Chicago. Irish Catholic family, poor as shit like, absolutely did not have money and they had a full-time nanny slash caretaker. It's like a lady come clean their house, cook for them, because this is how fucked up shit was when my parents were children.

Speaker 4: 1:29:20

A black woman.

Speaker 2: 1:29:21

Of course, a black woman.

Speaker 4: 1:29:22

Her name was Mabel.

Speaker 2: 1:29:23

I met her one time she was very very nice, but yeah, no, no, no, because even when you were a dirt, poor white person, american society, when we are the most fucked up we can be, would mean that you would have enough money to pay a black woman to come take care of your 11 children.

Speaker 4: 1:29:39

Now you're making me want to make America great again. I mean, as a dirt poor white person, let me tell you you're paying the hell of a picture there.

Speaker 2: 1:29:47

Oh, my fucking god, have you seen the videos?

Speaker 3: 1:29:50

And I swear I'll be quick. Have you seen the videos where they ask like they dead up, just ask people like so when you say again like what era? And just the stammering mess people become instantly Because, like what can you possibly say? Like literally, if you said, well, I mean yesterday, it's still a racist, sexist mess. Like, no, there's not any part of the country's history that isn't that mess.

Speaker 4: 1:30:18

So, mary, had some real fun.

Speaker 3: 1:30:21

Sure yeah no.

Speaker 2: 1:30:23

Listen On international. Go ahead, boss. If I could time travel, I would absolutely, 100%, immediately go back to Chicago in 1892 to see the World's Fair. It would be my first stop if I had a time machine, and then I would get my ass immediately back to the present and not hang out there because there was a serial killer killing women on the South Side.

Speaker 4: 1:30:44

So like I fucking know, oh, that was like double in the White City, right Double White City.

Speaker 2: 1:30:49

Yeah, hh Homes. Yep, and I would also like to very quickly shout out to a high school English teacher, judy Bunch, who taught a class called Great Books Fucking loved it. She was fucking amazing. I loved her. She said in one of our classes anytime that you think things were better in the past, remember that we have been fixing every error that they made, so anything that is getting better is more better today than it was yesterday.

Speaker 4: 1:31:21

I love people are, so nostalgia is a really really hardcore drug. And it always makes me think of the Chris Rock stand up where he says no white person from any era in history would ever switch places with me.

Speaker 3: 1:31:37

And I'm rich and I'm rich, yes, and you go like oh my god.

Speaker 4: 1:31:41

Well, this is a. Yeah, this is. It's on International Women's Day, I want to point out that the Republican Party in North Carolina has nominated a man for the governorship who thinks women should lose the right to vote. So to her, Is that for real? That's for real On video. You can just go watch him say it. No, I don't. Yeah, what is happening? So when we say, like what the fuck? Like that reaction that I referenced before of Coach, where you go, like what the hell? Like I really would love to have a kumbaya, you know me, I want everyone to be happy.

Speaker 3: 1:32:21

I want everyone to be the best person of themselves. Yeah, help society, let's do it yeah, help economy right.

Speaker 4: 1:32:25

Help society right. Let's do, let's all come together. But it's very difficult when the gap is so wide. You can't even agree on the on basic terms, like does everybody have dignity? No, only some people. Only some people get dignity.

Speaker 3: 1:32:41

Right, You're like wait.

Speaker 4: 1:32:42

Like I guess we're not friends. Like where is the, where is the path? Where's the road home? It is. It is wonderful, though. It is wonderful that we have made progress. It is wonderful when, last, you see Tengen Brown Jackson walk into Supreme Court justice, enter the room last night for the State of the Union and people are cheering and you go. Yeah, like we have. We have pushed forward in many ways.

Speaker 4: 1:33:18

We have a long fucking way to go, and on behalf of the as the as the token of the White man on this podcast and the person who boss says we're the product of our own choices. I somehow chose to put boss on a podcast with me, so it must have benefited.

Speaker 2: 1:33:36

Yeah, man, that's on you.

Speaker 4: 1:33:37

Yeah, yeah, that's on me. I will say that white men, specifically white men, have to do much better. Have like find a woman and big her up, you know, like find a woman and amplify her voice and and and push forward as a team because, ultimately, we're all in this together and, like the road that rolls out in front of us is long, it's long we have a long, long way to go.

Speaker 4: 1:34:09

That's it for us today. We, we, we wanted to have a very special episode. This is a little bit off of our normal Usually we would weave these topics into something else, but it was important enough that that I wanted to talk about it and and just put it out there. It was jarring to see that rebuttal last night and it's been on the minds of everybody today and they're talking about it in colleges and they're talking about it in, you know, in coffee shops all over, all over the country and all over the world, and you know, to our international friends who listen to this. It's like I remember I remember I've said this in season one when we first did this, but I remember I was, I was traveling in.

Speaker 4: 1:34:52

Where were we? We were in Denmark at the time. I was playing soccer with a team from the US and I was hanging out with my, my best friend on the team. It was my buddy, jamal, and, and a big, I mean just this, he's got to be so tall Scottish dude, yeah, scottish dude there it is, there it is.

Speaker 4: 1:35:07

Beautiful, beautiful black man who got. He's an unbelievable soccer player. I would play wing and just chip it in and he would head everything. You guys are unbelievable. And I remember we walked, we were walking around and then this team from San Marino was all black players. He walked right up to this team. I remember they had these orange. You always walked around in Jersey. We had our team USA. You know, whatever Jersey's on he had, they had all the San Marino jerseys on and he walked right up to.

Speaker 4: 1:35:34

I kind of backed off Because I just noticed like someone was happening and and I was like you know, so he was just shaking hands with everybody, right, and I stood back. I just, for some reason I don't even know why I didn't want Walt's in, but I guess I had some inkling, whatever. And so he said I read it. And then he came back to me and I was like, do you know those guys? He's like no man, but like we're black. We've all been through the same shit. And for those people listening, yes, this, this is the. The location happens to be the United States of America, where this, you know, we're referencing all these things, but women all over the world have been through the same shit.

Speaker 3: 1:36:11

So you know just a just in their coach, and something that you said about white men, I think, men in general, I think, wherever you have privilege, if you are saying you know I want the world to be better, find ways to be that person. Like, if you're a man in a place where sexism is taking out, like, take your place against it. And I just saw a story, real quick, loretta Swit. I mean I want to make sure I had the right actors.

Speaker 3: 1:36:43

Loretta Swit, they are in a meeting about MASH, right, so it's back in the day, whatever, let's say season three, whatever. And people pitch ideas for their stories and her stories are always politely declined, like her ideas, right, and it's apparently had been happening over time. She noticed it. So at some point she pitches my character or should, whatever, and it gets a polite decline and 10 minutes later McLean Stevenson says it worked, like the same idea, and gets the response oh, that's great, yeah, maybe we should try that. At which point McLean Stevenson says I'm curious why you think it's a good idea now, but you didn't think it was a good idea 10 minutes ago.

Speaker 1: 1:37:29

Yes and I was like yeah, right. That's what you do, not only he amplified.

Speaker 3: 1:37:39

First of all, he amplified what she had to say, and then he said hey, by the way, we got to cut this shit out, Like you call it out. You have the courage to stand up in that room and say I benefit from this, but yeah, I'm not interested in benefiting from it anymore.

Speaker 4: 1:37:52

We should sit in a bath of your own sexism. You fucking troglodytes Right now.

Speaker 3: 1:37:58

Now I'm doing it. I was so excited when I read that story and I just think, like, be McLean Stevenson, whatever, wherever you are, if you're physically able in a way that other people aren't, like yeah. Like, yeah, we get it. I can walk up the stairs, but not everybody can walk up the stairs, so make sure there's a goddamn ramp, like whatever it is. If we each do that, then that's how we get there, absolutely.

Speaker 4: 1:38:27

I love this. I love it yeah. I'm gonna go and wash Boss.

Speaker 2: 1:38:32

No, no you, I know I already talked.

Speaker 3: 1:38:36

I was, I was a boss, you're not even in the kitchen, so I don't even understand. I know, I know.

Speaker 1: 1:38:42

I was, I was about to.

Speaker 2: 1:38:44

I was about to do the voice to punish Castleton, but I was worried that it would hurt Bishop too much, so I'm going to reframe. Bishop hasn't even purchased eggs or been in the carpool lane. I want to live in an America. My daughters know they can abuse the system as much as I have, and the reason my kitchen is so clean is because I'm not a stay at home mom like I make you guys be. I'm a fucking senator.

Speaker 3: 1:39:12

I'm like you're a senator. What is fucking happening here? What is?

Speaker 4: 1:39:17

happening. I just want to point I don't think anyone's bringing this up, but but apparently Katie Britt is married to a former NFL player named Wesley Britt and I'm like I'd like to have, I'd like to, I'd like to say like hey, wesley, like so, this is, uh, this is how you do it. Huh, like, oh, yeah, want to talk, want to talk about anything, like you think this is a cause, I think he's, I think I think certain, a certain demographic is going to be like, yes, he's, he's really got the right. They have the right values. That's what he's really controlled his woman properly. Yeah, oh my God.

Speaker 2: 1:39:55

And he's. He's been such a powerful head of the family that he has turned his wife into a powerful woman also cause he's that strong. Also, I am terrified about the number of like quiverful or like fundamentalist white evangelical baby girls in nine months whose full name is going to be Katie Britt, like just their first name, and here we go, katie Britt, katie Britt, katie Britt McLean, you get in here right now. It's going to happen.

Speaker 4: 1:40:29

I saw, I saw on ironically on Tik Tok, a guy said you know, this is just whole. Tik Tok this morning. He said he was a Southern gentleman with a Southern accent. He said it's just me, but I'm sitting on the couch thinking Katie Britt 2028. And I was like no. Can you?

Speaker 3: 1:40:49

imagine Like it's so, like see you hear shit like that. It really you've got to be brought back to it, and I do. I have trouble with this. My therapist will verify that. A big issue for Orlando is he expects others, he expects himself and others, and that's not how things work. And to me, I find that moment as or more horrifying than anything else we've discussed here, because that a sentient and I'm serious about this that a sentient human being sat and watched that ridiculous performance and thought there's the future I'm talking about.

Speaker 4: 1:41:33

I'm like what the fuck?

Speaker 4: 1:41:35

Listen, I tweeted about it last night how it was worse than Bobby Jindal just for my friends, basically, or people you know, like the people that follow this podcast or whatever, and it got 100,000 or 92,000, what is it was up there, like before this podcast was up 1000s or 1000s, and what right. And in it I said like Jesus, this is creepy, you know. I say I think the tweet was like I thought Bobby Jindal gave the worst rebuttal speech. But then Katie Britt was like hold my beer. And some of the responses were hysterical, like oh, it's really funny. You think her husband lets her drink. You know things like that, like that's funny.

Speaker 4: 1:42:10

But then people, you know, of course the opposition, came into the tweets and they're like you look creepy. And I'm like oh, oh, yeah, project on to me, yeah, yeah, I'm sure, like that's seriously, oh, my God, I can't believe. But people, people are really going to defend her. They're going to think, like you know, she's going to she within a certain segment of the population, she will get a lot of credit. But for listen, it's a disaster, it's a Hindenburg for the Republican Party. Go to Rolling Stone Magazine has an article right now where it's something like they talk about all the Republicans who are, you know, dragging her and being like. This is a disaster, and you know so. Whatever it is, it is what it is. I would love to continue talking, but see, the woman in my life who has trained me to be a driver who picks her up from the airport will be displeased with me if I continue and don't rush to Logan Airport so you go.

Speaker 4: 1:43:07

Boss, I don't need that smoke.

Speaker 3: 1:43:10

No, you don't want this Boss, where can?

Speaker 4: 1:43:14

people find you if they want to find you.

Speaker 2: 1:43:16

You can find me on Blue Sky. It is Dumbly Chambers, also on threads, which is Emilychambers.31. If you check my Twitter, the information is there and my Twitter is in the show notes Also, I promise writing. God damn it. I need to take off a week and just fucking write for the antagonist, which is antagonistblogcom, possibly writing something about my thoughts on poor things, which I just watched last night, which is a movie where a woman acts in the way that we hear men. Men tell us all the time be more rational, be more reasonable and don't be so emotional, and then a woman behaves that way and they call her mad. And it's pretty good. I like it. It was. Emma Stone came out last year. Check it out what's it called Poor things, poor things.

Speaker 4: 1:44:02

Yorgo Salantimos he's great.

Speaker 3: 1:44:05

I don't know why?

Speaker 4: 1:44:05

I don't know.

Speaker 2: 1:44:07

Say that one more time, yorgo.

Speaker 4: 1:44:09

Salantimos, there we go, he's a Greek boy I love it.

Speaker 3: 1:44:13

Yorgo. I think, I knew her in a high school head that you take some antibiotics. You clear that right here. It's so childish. I just love that? I don't know. I just like you know like there's certain jokes that you just like over your life that for me is just I just boom, boom, Automatic.

Speaker 4: 1:44:34

Where do people find you coach?

Speaker 3: 1:44:37

I actually have a specific one right now for real line. If you have a team, sales team, whatever kinds, literally any kind of team like you're all on together on a multi level marketing, I want to test out the work we're doing on a team that I'm not a part of, so be in touch. So not only come check out, we align, but if you have a team, I can get you guys a whole bunch of strategy work for Great price, cause I want to do some experiments.

Speaker 4: 1:45:08

Okay, please be getting pigs for coach. And for me I want to say I want to thank my state senator, elizabeth Warren, who is a hero of mine and I just think the world of her Just love her so much. There's this great picture of her last night at the state union with her fists in the air that I've like kind of want to blow up and put behind my wall here. Just love her. And I want to thank a United States women's soccer goalkeeper, alyssa Nair, because she is a longtime member of the team. She's goalie.

Speaker 4: 1:45:44

Goalies always get shit on and Alyssa Nair is very soft spoken and doesn't say a lot and she's not one of the like really dramatic people. But when the US was, when US was not like hope, so the US was knocked out of the World Cup by in a shootout with Sweden. Alyssa Nair was amazing but she was the one to let in the goal. That was like a millimeter, if anybody remembers that picture of where it's like a one million. And yesterday the US played Canada in the gold cup and not only did she save three of five shots, but she came in and scored in the shootout to have the US advance.

Speaker 4: 1:46:22

And I love the Canadian coach Bev Prismich, one of my favorite coaches on the planet, but I was really proud and really happy, for it felt like some pay, you know, just some. Like some what's what's the word? You know what I'm trying? Like that she's. She's can't think of the word Vindication for Alyssa Nair, that's the word. She's just a great, great player for a long time and so, yes, I want to. I want to call her up. Thank you to everyone who listens, thank you to our wonderful Butter Cups, who are vastly and predominantly women. We thank you for taking this, this ride with us and talking through all these issues. Thanks for being part of our listener community. Please support your local libraries and the written word, and until next time, we remain rich, rich men.

Speaker 3: 1:47:19

Till we die If this black man keeps talking to me so loud and says, oh God damn scary, I'll call a cop.

Speaker 4: 1:47:35

Thanks everybody, I'll see you next time.