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WAYNE ON YOUTUBE
The Tedcast is a deep dive podcast exploring the masterpieces that are Ted Lasso on Apple TV+ and Wayne on YouTube.
Sponsored by Pajiba and The Antagonist, join Boss Emily Chambers and Coaches Bishop and Castleton as they ruminate on all things AFC Richmond.
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Coach Bishop
Coach Castleton
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Producer: Thor Benander
Producer: Dustin Rowles
Producer: Dan Hamamura
Producer: Seth Freilich
Editor: Luke Morey
Opening Theme: Andrew Chanley
Opening Intro: Timothy Durant
MORE FROM COACH BISHOP:
Studioworks: Coach Bishop
Unstuck AF: Coach Bishop's own podcast
Align Performance: Coach Bishop's company
MORE FROM THE ANTAGONIST:
Mind Muscle with Simon de Veer - Join professional "trainer to the stars" Simon de Veer as he takes you through the history, science and philosophy of all the fads and trends of modern health and fitness.
Welcome to our Ted Lasso talk, the Tedcast. Welcome all Greyhound fans, welcome all you sinners from the dog track and all the AFC Richmond fans around the world. It's the lasso way around these parts with Coach, coach and Boss, without further ado, coach Castleton.
Speaker 2:Okay, welcome back, beautiful people. Today we are discussing Wayne. This is episode 6. There's only one season of Wayne and we are on the sixth episode. It is entitled who Even Are we? Now we are following up from our. This is part two. We published the first one way back on December 22nd. Wow, that's so. I want to thank everyone who, on December 23rd, was waiting for part two, and I was really excited for us to get to it. I'm your host, coach Castleton, with me as always as Coach Bishop my lafacas.
Speaker 3:I just, I felt, left out.
Speaker 2:No, no, it's good, we're going to get to it. Carl and Teddy, they do. The dumb guys on shows are so good. With us is our boss, Emily Chamberlain. Hey Castleton.
Speaker 4:What did the, what did the Pirates say one year after his 79th birthday?
Speaker 2:One year after his 70th birthday.
Speaker 3:I think I got it.
Speaker 4:I'm 80. Yeah, oh, the show's over now. The show is done now. Shortest episode ever. I crushed him.
Speaker 2:The best Maybe this is just eventually sort of working on it. I kind of like I didn't hate, it.
Speaker 3:Oh, that's so much worse, I just no, I wasn't bad.
Speaker 4:I'm concerned, I mean everyone to know that right before recording, castleton because he is kind not like me checked in with Coach Bishop and said you know, if we don't record today, we can do this another time. And I almost said you're going to regret that so much in a little bit that you, castleton yourself, was not like you know what, fuck it, we're not doing it today, let's fail.
Speaker 2:I would have missed that joke.
Speaker 4:I knew I had that joke in my pocket.
Speaker 2:I knew I had it. Yeah, I mean, it's not great, it's not, it's not, you know, it's not the the pinnacle of Western civilization, but it's not the, you know, whatever it's, it's, it reminds, it's sort of maybe it's the, I don't know it's the pilot. Why is why. Is why is six afraid of seven? You know that one yes.
Speaker 4:I think we've talked about this one on the podcast, so it reminds me of that one.
Speaker 2:Because have we really Because, what's the? Give someone the punch line.
Speaker 4:Oh, that punch line is because seven, eight, nine, yeah, there you go. But then I'm pretty sure that I gave you my response, which is why can't Miss Piggy count to 70?
Speaker 2:Oh God.
Speaker 4:Because every time she gets to 69, there's a frog in her throat.
Speaker 2:Now, that's, that is that's the. When you have a little raunch, I'm okay. I mean because it's not, then it's not just like a throwaway dad joke. Yeah, no, it's that is wow.
Speaker 3:That is wow a lot of things at one time.
Speaker 2:There's a lot of frog in her throat. Yeah, wow, it is. It is presupposing a lot about the majesty of Kermit the Frog.
Speaker 4:Well, come on, come on, Listen, and he's.
Speaker 2:Kermit the Frog. He must be endowed.
Speaker 4:That's that guy has BDE and we know it.
Speaker 3:Okay, that was. Interestingly that was in the original Jim Henson. Yes.
Speaker 4:Yeah, he was like listen in the.
Speaker 3:Muppets Bible tell you something about.
Speaker 2:Kermit, this guy fucks oh dear God, jim Henson rolling over in his grave right now. This is, this is not the show I had envisioned, but we'll just, we'll just, we'll go out from there. I, you know, we, when we left off with this episode, we had Trish and Jen excited to invite Wayne and Del to a dance. Wayne is not into it.
Speaker 2:This whole stopover has got Wayne questioning thing, in the same way that, you know, the goal was once upon a time get to Florida and get my dad's car back right and then along the way there's Ben's you know he's the gate sidetracked and for one reason or another, you know Del wants to go to a funeral. And now there, you know it's always some, there's some experiential thing that Del is trying to absorb on this trip. There was a funeral, there was, you know, drinking with college students at a motel which you know these are firsts for people Del has not. She's been in, you know, lock up basically her whole life. And so this, this journey, is a place where you know, for the first time, she can sort of experience things and the amount of instant sort of carass, instant serendipity, instant liking, wavelength, whatever you want to call it that that Del experiences when the truancy officer raids the diner therein Wayne is in the bathroom.
Speaker 2:They take Del to the school and then Trish and Jen just roll up on her Del they loved the fact that she needs the truancy officer and they're like who are you? Do you know that? We're best friends? Trish and Jen are so much fun. And if you, if you were lucky enough to go to high school or college with Trish's and Jen's they're all. They're still great If they're parents. Now, if you know what I mean, if they're you're on, they're, they're the. You know they're this version of right.
Speaker 3:Yes, 100%. I realized we were both doing like usually one of us does the nodding and the other one jumps in. I realized we were both doing the nodding but 100% yes, Like you know that their kids are going to be fun and irreverent and asking questions that make teachers write note home, Like this is just yeah, yes yes, yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and they feel like I think of so so many times in my life where I was just, you know, lost and clueless, the way I was parented and whatever, and the people just really got it. There's certain people that just got it. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3:It's like so cool to be around, so I had a thought about them and I was like this is a, it's potentially messed up. So I'm going to go ahead and preface that and say and say I wonder these two characters specifically, but in a more broad way, right In this small town, in this school or whatever I wonder if they're lesbians or they're just counter cultural.
Speaker 4:No, I don't believe that they're.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean by that, and I don't mean like oh, this is just a phase Like I don't mean it the jerky way?
Speaker 4:No, I think that what I was going to say is that these two girls on the show women in real life, I'm sure fucking amazing, not popular, like, not the cool, not the ones who are in like prom court or whatever, that is not them 100% and so when they, I don't think that they are trying to misrepresent themselves as being lesbians in a couple of relationships.
Speaker 4:Together. They are not a couple. I think this is more so like we don't care if you're gay, like it's not a bad thing, we're not going to be upset about it. We are embracing of the LGBTQ plus community and that is not a thing that probably happens large scale in their small North Carolina town. So that's more so like them intentionally identifying themselves as outside of the group because, while they are awesome, they are not homecoming queen.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but you just said much more clearly yeah, and so whatever shade of that they are, they definitely are. They're definitely outside the norm and they have an amazing ability to kind of such a treat, to find character. It's real life to find real people who can do this. But when characters do it, it's great. Wayne is a wiener, he is. When they say, hey, you got to go to the dance with us, they're all fired up and he goes what? Like a stupid dance where people dance and they don't go. What the fuck, dude? They're like yeah, yeah, yeah, like a stupid dance, but like jocks are trying to get in on the girls, but like for shits and gigs. And ironically, you go and make fun of people and whatever.
Speaker 2:That level of self-awareness, if you can find it at that age, is amazing. So many people are just lost. It's funny. I know there's an equation, I know there's an algorithm that I don't, I can't crack at this point. But you wonder like, okay, if you shelter your kids, if you you know I'm a very protective parent, right Do they stay clueless and lost longer than the kids who aren't, you know? Or is it, you know, independent? Is it genetic? Is it, you know? How do the kids that clue in and kind of see through the you know, see to the note behind the note. How do they get there? What's the methodology? And you know, because people just they get to those points at very different.
Speaker 2:You could have a nine-year-old who is just cuts through the bolt, just sees through everything right, and you can have a 22-year-old who's like you're like man, you don't get it, like what, like what is the holdup? You know, like it's so amazing, like that is a hell of a span and it's not gendered, it's. You know you have. You have. You have really sharp boys. You have really sharp girls. You've really lost boys. You've really lost girls. You've really lost everything Non-binary you have. You have people who are just fundamentally plugged in at an earlier age than others, which is torture. I wouldn't wish it on anyone, because you find you know those poor kids are surrounded by. You know they have no one to turn to, really, unless they can find someone outside their town. But the odds of them finding someone that they can relate to are brutal at that age.
Speaker 3:One of my best friends in the world definitely was one is a person who, like sees and I would imagine we we met in college, but I would imagine certainly by like 13 was like, oh yeah, the entire world's full of shit. And I sent to him at one point we were like in our early 20s. I go, I feel for you because you are so smart that you cannot engage the bullshit. You're incapable of the bullshit. I am just dumb enough that I can see the bullshit and go through with it. Yes, yes, but you can't do it Again. And I get that you can't do it Like.
Speaker 3:They have moments where I've just seen him be like, yeah, I'm not engaging in the bullshit of this moment, where I'm like, please do. Like, oh God, this is gonna be so uncomfortable and weird. But it's not that I don't see what you're saying, it's not that I think you're wrong, I just there's a level of bullshit I'll navigate to just be done with this that he says yeah, no. And I feel like girls like that, like they could just sort of like whatever and have their little boyfriend and whatever and go along and get along, and they're like yeah, no, we're gonna show up to the dance together. So you can all be freaked out that we had the audacity to show up together, and there's something cool about that.
Speaker 4:The only thing I disagree with and everything that you just said. And Castleton, this isn't even a disagreement, it's just that you mentioned you try to be a protective parent. Over the weekend, somebody said to me people think parenting is about shaping a child into a person by teaching them things, putting things into them, giving them things Like you teach them traits, you make them into who they are, and it's more so just like guiding a blind cat as they wander around the room Like they're absolutely gonna do whatever the fuck they want. At the end of the day, you have almost no control over it, other than only being the person that's like. Well, whatever you turn into, I'm happy with. Like that's she was, like that's all the parenting I could do. Just be like you're fucking awesome, I think you're great. You're crazy, but I think you're fucking great.
Speaker 2:Yeah it's amazing to me how much sorry.
Speaker 3:sorry, coach, go ahead, no, no no, do it, do it, coach, go. Now I was just gonna say it's amazing to me how, how much parenting. It's funny because it came up in another show. We've discussed some Ted Lasso, but when Ted's talking to Henry and he says that coaching soccer is a lot more.
Speaker 3:there's a lot like I don't need to say more but a lot like parenting is not the same. It is that really rang true for me, and it feels like another way to get to the point you're making here, where it's like, yeah, like after a certain point you tell them how we're gonna play and then you send them out there and they do whatever they do, whereas I thought it was gonna be a lot more like football.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I thought it was gonna be a lot like well, you know American football. I mean, I thought it was gonna be a lot more of you know, you go here, you play here. Yes, this is your hole and they're like no. I'm gonna go wander over here and see what's going on.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that first way is the perfect way to get them to go no contact, and they're late, to late twenties, early thirties. But it turns out. It turns out that all of that intensive parenting who knows? Also, I'm gonna speak on parenting a lot, given that I'm the expert here.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you should. You should never stop me before. One thing I'll say is that we talk about it in terms of toolbox. Kids come into the world with their own sort of set of tools. Some kids are better than others at different things, and even you know four children. They're all different. Their toolbox is different. My job, the way that I say it to them, is to give them a sense of whatever tools that I can loan them. But they will walk into the world with their own toolbox and I hope it's full. I hope, as a parent I've done as much as I can that they can make decisions properly, that they can address it, and it's not one thing.
Speaker 2:There's emotional toolboxes there's pragmatic toolboxes, there's plan, it's a whole series of things. But yeah, ultimately everyone is so different and if you're a Trish or a Jen Trin.
Speaker 4:That is their couple name.
Speaker 2:That's their couple name. Yeah, if you are a Trish or a Jen, it is so remarkable to have found the other one in a small town, because it just that's what gets you through. If you don't. You end up being like, oh my God, it's my 13 year olds going through that right now, where it's like you just can't find the other half of him. You know it's like he just he's so over the bullshit and you can see through everything and you're just like, oh God, this poor kid. On the other side of the equation you have Carl and Teddy who, like we joke around because in my family, my older brothers, who are a bunch of knuckleheads I'm one of nine, if people don't know that, one of nine children, two marriages. So my father had seven kids with his first marriage and two with my mother's second marriage. My older brothers are knuckleheads. They will tell you they're knuckleheads. They are proud of being knuckleheads.
Speaker 2:Their favorite game growing up was in. You can imagine Carl and Teddy doing this. My trouble making brother. His name is Dale. He Dale would throw. He'd see up.
Speaker 2:I swear to God it would probably just be on the whatever. It was, like a string that fell off someone's pants or jacket or something, or a button or a penny, it doesn't matter, and he would point to it. He'd stop everything in the middle of the family and he'd point to the string and he'd say whoever gets it, gets it. That's the game. And then they would wail on each other To get whatever it is, to get the string, an unimportant. And Dale was basically the strongest, so he was just goading his little brothers into allowing themselves to be beaten.
Speaker 2:And I'm like I, you know what I mean. And I'm like, oh my God, right. And so with Carl and Teddy, you're in the we open in the cab with them. They're sitting there. Their dad is. He is trying to, you know, call into the family answering machine. And these guys, oh my God, back and forth giving each other wet willies get you sticky mitts out of my ear, for the love of Christ. Bobby's saying, trying to see if, you know, anybody left a message. And the key takeaway from this is he cannot figure out how to get the message off the old school answering machine, right, oh?
Speaker 3:God. The reason why, though? The reason why?
Speaker 2:Okay, well, tell us, coach, what is the reason why.
Speaker 3:The code is Dale's birthday, which might as well be a nuclear code for her father. Like it's so unfucking fathomable that he wouldn't know his child's. Like talk about table stakes, jesus Christ man, and so, yeah, like it's funny, as we talk about, you brought it right back around beautifully for me. Because as much as we're like, oh, what's in your toolkit? Or whatever, like what is Bobby Luchetti you got to put in anybody's goddamn toolkit? Like yeah, she's looking to have all these experiences, because she's like, oh, there are ways for me to develop all these things. Like this is life outside of stealing Girl Scout cookies and trying to make sure my dad doesn't kill any other human being who makes the mistake of spending a day with me.
Speaker 2:Coach. This is the fascinating thing about parenting, though that he has put things in Dale's toolkit. That's the way I would look at it. He has given her an outlook. He's given her a trust. No one perspective. He has given her a comfort with violence. Now listen, is that a good thing? No, I'm not saying that's a good thing, but she's certainly right.
Speaker 3:She's not afraid. It sure was a good thing when Madame let's kill him had Wayne. I bet he's like feel pretty good about your upbringing right about now.
Speaker 4:Yeah right, that's what I would say is that the tools, that tools are never good or bad. Tools are a hammer just is, and you could either use it well or you could beat somebody's head, but the hammer itself is never gonna be good or bad.
Speaker 3:Just to be clear, the beating someone's head in is not good.
Speaker 4:Well, I mean, who is it?
Speaker 2:Well, it's right, it's situational, the usage of the tools depends on the tool owner or the tool the crash, and so in this particular case, he has given her tools where Dell's not afraid of the world. Dell is able to jump on a bike with somebody because she walks door to door where strangers try to whatever pictures of her feet.
Speaker 2:There's a number of things that she is able to do that I know that most kids would probably not be able to do, and, case in point, the exact sort of white night situation where she went in to save Wayne from being kidnapped. She had learned how to use a chainsaw because Bobby said fucking go cut, learn to cut wood. And so she taught herself that's true.
Speaker 2:Right, that's true. Again, we've referenced all those crazy studies where children of terrible fathers have gone on to do great things, but in this moment she's not afraid of her own shadow at all. We got. The big takeaway of the scene in the cab is that, oh my God, there's a message on their answering machine saying hey, listen, we're over at the local school, our power's out. We found your number in her bag. Can you come sort this out? So it's a clever way, for I mean, listen, we talk about the writing on the show. I think it's absolutely stunning. But this is a you have to say. You have to keep your audience up to speed and say, all right, we have these people trailing, trailing the Wayne and Dell, and how might they get back on their, on their?
Speaker 4:toes. So to jump in very quickly at that point, I think one of the things about writing fiction and I have mentioned this sort of before but if you say dragons are real in this world, I'm fine with that. I don't even need you to give me a good reason why dragons are real, just dragons are real. But then when you set up the rules for how dragons exist, it is this is how you fight a dragon or this is how you would raise a dragon and ride on a dragon. These are the rules.
Speaker 4:And so when you're doing realistic fiction, you can come up with anything you want to. Anything that's within the realm of possibility for us makes sense. But as one of my creative writing teachers instructed one time, if you had to write a five paragraph essay defending why the plot works, would you be able to say from point A to point B this thing happened and this thing is realistic and this thing would happen in real life. Like if the principal couldn't figure out who the student was, would she have a way of contacting the student's parents in order to fill them in? And would that be fortunate enough that Bobby Luchetti is looking for Adele in the area where the high school is located. All that makes sense like this is how you develop a good script by saying this is realistic, this could happen, and then this would happen because of it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it's true, you have to have that. You have to have those elements, or people check out. Yeah, what the? Fuck Like you. Look right, it's people. You can lose people so quickly and that's it. That's all it takes. It's funny I was watching the new show featuring Kate Winslet. It's called the the regime. Damn it the regime.
Speaker 4:Yes, and have you seen it? I haven't. I need to the other day, so I need to get into it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was very excited for it and I remember then I looked at some of the reviews and I'm like, oh my God, reviews are terrible, terrible reviews. And I'm like how I started it and I was like, wow, this is really good, like whatever. And it's amazing. I went in thinking, shrugging off the reviews, thinking I'm going to make my mind up for myself, and then you, you watch it and you go, man it is, it's trying to lose me. It doesn't know that it is, but like, if there's no there, there, you know what I mean. It can't just be satire over the sake of satire. There has to be some.
Speaker 4:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:And you go, man, and then it's, it's all. No, no, but it's also out of time a little bit because in this world where, if you consider yourself a sane person, or moderately sane, as we try to we've been dealing with so much crazy like straight up, like straight up, lying to your face craziness that watching someone be crazy is less funny than it used to be. You know like we're like. You know like a lead, a leader of people where people's lives hanging the balance and that person is clearly mentally ill, right, and everyone just go. You know kowtows to the person. I go. You know what Like it's not, as it's not as much fun as you.
Speaker 4:That's what I feel like every day on this podcast.
Speaker 3:That's really funny and fair, frankly. But but, coach, you've told the story of I believe it was the big Lebowski and you watching it with your kids and then being like, yeah, a guy pulling out a gun willy-nilly is not funny. I mean, we experienced stories in the context of our lives and where we are and I totally yeah, I get that part. So, yeah, I get where. That's not funny. I'm going to add I'm going to toss this in because I hope others will join me I'm actually going to become more active on threads and more active on Blue Sky because of what I'm about to say, because I've already started this on Facebook.
Speaker 3:I believe part of my role in this world is to point out stupid. I don't have to fix the world, but with somebody says something that is objectively dumb, I think it's important that we just pause and acknowledge that that was stupid. That was a stupid thing. And so part of me does feel like there's a need that people are feeling to not just laugh off what you just described Like, yes, this would have been funny before because we all I thought we all were saying, yeah, it's crazy to just believe random things some moron says. But now that people in my real life are doing that and it's bad. I don't really think that jokes is funny. I get it. No, no, no, no. I 100 because I'm telling you I am actively. When I see bullshit arguments like whatever, I'm just like nope, that's dumb, like I'm actively doing it and I feel good about it.
Speaker 4:And so you and I had a little bit of a text conversation sort of around this, in that there used to be a process and criteria by which we would judge people for almost everything Were they smart, were they funny, were they successful, were they good people? And the issue is that a lot of the criteria was bullshit, because if you were a person who didn't want to get married or have kids, you were bad. If you were a person of color, you were bad. If you were gay, you were like there's all this criteria. And we were like, oh no, that's fucking bullshit. Like you don't get to say that somebody who is physically handicapped is stupid. Those things are related Like what are we doing here? And I think, to a degree, a lot of people mistook the process of evaluating all their people and their actions with the criteria that we're putting into it. Yes, so we came away with saying things like well, don't judge others, judging people is bad, and it's like well, sometimes, Daphne's been on this point recently too, and I'm with you, I'm very with you.
Speaker 4:Because, like in this scene and I can't remember, it's Trish or Jenny who is talking about how sorry. The next scene, when we're at the house we're picking out dresses for the stupid dance because you need to wear fancy clothes to the stupid dance and she says my dad's tragic taste in girlfriends hasn't failed. It doesn't let us down again, because here are all these horrible dresses that we could wear. And making the judgment call that your dad has terrible taste in women isn't mean it is. You have been privy to the relationship he's had. You've met these women. You know that he doesn't pick them. Good, like, having an opinion on things isn't bad, it's more so. We need to make sure we're using the right criteria, at least the best criteria we can at the time, given our social setting.
Speaker 3:Also, I think there's also your entitle to have an opinion right and your entitle to your opinion and also understanding the difference between an opinion and a fact and like a factual, objective assessment of a thing. There are things I don't like. They're not objectively bad, I just don't like them and I don't have to like them and I can say I don't and I think somewhere in there I saw a meme that said respect other people's opinions and then it said other people's opinions. Three squared equals six and I was like bra fucking foe.
Speaker 3:Because, three squared does not equal six, and I don't give a shit that that's your belief. I don't care.
Speaker 4:Absolutely the fuck not. So this is the. There's a. In a similar vein, there is a cartoon where there is a number drawn onto the ground. There are two people on each side of it, and one says it's a six and one says it's a nine. And they're like depending on your perspective, things could be different. Sure, absolutely. Then somebody else drew a second cartoon where they zoomed out, and it was one through nine and they were standing over the six.
Speaker 3:Like then you don't get to say it's either a six or nine. Then it's a fucking six, great. Then it's a six, yeah, that's great.
Speaker 4:And that happened for me in real life, like it was one of the funniest things I've seen in a long time. When I went to go see the national in Phoenix last winter, there was a couple in front of me I they didn't know that I was doing this to go to church. They didn't know that this was a religious thing for me, so they were on a date. They were trying to be nice to each other and I was like shut up and watch the show. Shut, the fucking mad is singing. Pay attention, what are you doing?
Speaker 4:But there's a song called Once Upon a Poolside and it is slow and sweet and beautiful. And there's a line where Matt Burninger sings this is the closest you and I have ever been and she very sweetly rests her head on his shoulder because they're on a date and they are being cute. And then the line after that is is this how things are going to end? Because the song is about him possibly ending a relationship like that. That's largely what it's about, but I'm sorry to hear that, but she, but she didn't know that.
Speaker 4:So she puts her head up against him and then, as he's singing is this how things are going to end? Lifts her head back up and like, very clearly, was like I didn't mean. I didn't mean that, I didn't mean that, sorry, right. So once you have some larger context things, it changes your perspective.
Speaker 2:Yes, and I think that's why there's a judgey asshole, but they didn't.
Speaker 4:They didn't know about it. You should fucking see the text that I was saying. I won't say what I was going to say. What I did say, because there are people who wear headbands and live in Utah and I don't need to offend everybody that does that, but I accidentally would. I'm sorry. This is again my opinion is trash. My opinion is wrong and I am garbage. People who live in Utah are fucking fine. I am wrong. So my opinion.
Speaker 2:Well, the more things change, the more they stay the same In this scene. The big takeaway I'm going to zip through because I want to get to a much more interesting scene. It's not that it's not good, it's fantastic. But we, the point of the scene at the house is to show the bonding between between Dell and the girls and that Wayne is clearly an outsider. They introduce the terms wicked, boston term, meaning very, and and bless your heart, southern term, meaning they say it's. I'm judging you.
Speaker 3:That felt really right, Like I've heard people define it before and that may be the best capturing of the spirit of it that I've I've heard.
Speaker 2:They also pull out some clothes for Wayne, a pink, pink suit. And he, he's, he's out, he just he's not, he's not having it. We cut to a hotel room where now, if you remember, but hold, tommy Cole, the principal of Marvin Hagler High, has to go down to a convention where he's supposed to make a speech with principles, and he has no idea what to do. He's, you know, orlando recognizes that he is procrastinating. He goes as low as to Google speeches for a principle on. My coach is shaking his head. It is man.
Speaker 3:It. There's so many things for me in that scene that are funny, but one of them is the idea of, like, the principle of a school just straight up plagiarizing in the presence of a student. It's so funny to me. That is just like we like the wheels are off, they are so off. We've got a kid looking to get the principle out of the hotel room so he can whack off to support. I'm like but but to our earlier point, the way that we got here, I'm like yeah, okay, this all makes sense.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, again, my, my, my. You know humans are messy. I say it all the time, I say it nonstop, and this showed us such a great job about showing how messy humans are and the fact that, like the principal, who's supposed to be the adult, is taking advice from the student who doesn't know shit, and Orlando has no qualms about him just stealing something out there. There's like it's the complete absence of a question in his mind. He found this speech he really likes and he starts to say it out loud to lead us to listen, to educate us and understand. It's a brilliant move by the show to give us a memorable opening. Yes, yes.
Speaker 2:And we don't know what for yet, but it's very clever, it's very well done. We cut to Wayne and he is now walk us through this boss. What is Wayne up to as he's going through a bunch of stuff in the other?
Speaker 4:room, so they are getting ready. He is ducked out. He's not interested in the pink suit, he's looking through Jenny's, a tiny little music box yeah.
Speaker 4:Like I for some reason collect old cigar boxes, so that's where I put all of my shit in there. And Dell from the other room says will you grab the hair clip from my bag or something? Can you grab me something out of my bag? And while in her bag he finds the bus ticket that she purchased in Rhode Island going out to Los Angeles. And this gives him pause because they are on one road trip. I think that, and not that he was thinking she wouldn't be here if I hadn't invited her. But he is suddenly realizing that if he had an asterisk, jump on the bike and drive down to Florida, she might have been out anyway. Like, maybe she wants to be there with him, but she wanted to. Not be at home is one of the biggest reasons why she is in this house right now in North Carolina.
Speaker 2:It probably would have taken her longer to be out Right. At least on this trip, her presence is no longer again.
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 2:Yes, right, she has a plan B that he was not aware of.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and that I understand why that would be disillusioning for him to an extent. There is something really really good about that, though, at least in my opinion. This is she is not with him because she needs to be. She is choosing to be there, and that I think that that takes a certain amount of maturity to understand why that would feel different, and he is working through that because he's also still 16 or 17 or something, but I can understand why that would be a shock to him.
Speaker 3:They've both. They're both alone in their own way and for, and they got their different ways. But for me, when he saw the ticket, my experience of it was, oh, she was going to leave me alone and she may still leave me. I hadn't actually considered that part. I figured I may end up sitting in some house I don't want to be in, but I had actually considered that she might just one day up and go her own way.
Speaker 3:And I think people like that and I don't just think it's, you know, old kids in their first relationships but I think we do have this kind of it's not kind of antiquated, it's quite antiquated idea that you even could meet someone at the age of 16. And in any plausible way and, boss, you've spoken this before in any plausible way declare I am going to feel about you in 60 years the way I feel about you today. And it really is kind of a crazy expectation and that we're like, yes, people stay together, but it has to change. It has to change and I think we spend a lot of energy saying it's never going to change.
Speaker 4:It's never going to change in. Also, if you fall in love with somebody at 16 and you are not together when you die at 89. We frame that relationship as having failed at some point because you break up, and that really is the biggest part for me. If you stay together, fantastic. I hope you're happy if it changes in the way you need it to. But also if you date for six months and you have really like affectionate, kind feelings about the other person, that seems like a win to me.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:It flies in the face of conventional thought, but yes.
Speaker 4:Unlike all of my other opinions.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, I'm just saying people usually don't go in with the rationalizing yeah, this may not be, you know, we may not go the whole, go the distance.
Speaker 3:Really, because I know we get to get to our friends in the car here. But I remember at one point believe me, I've said a lot of dumb and or awful things along the way in our relationships. I feel like it's only fair to share that, but I will. At one point we may both still have been in college at this point and I remember, but I do remember walking with Daphne and we were debating whatever we were doing. We really weren't arguing Like, we really were debating something, and whatever comment she made led me to say you know, this doesn't have to work out and just it's not the most romantic thing I've ever said, but looking back, I've never had a moment regret that I said that and I felt like it was a very real and important thing to say Like, hey, we gotta fucking pay attention.
Speaker 3:Like we could drive this thing right off the goddamn road if we don't pay attention, and I think the other side of you know it sounding dark and whatever is. I think it demands a level of attention and a level of intention to say if we want to stick around longer, then we've got to do certain things and behave certain ways. Anyway, sorry, coach, tossing that in.
Speaker 2:I appreciate you sharing that. It's a big thing to say. If I said it to Juliana it would be like a threat. I'm like, hey, this doesn't have to work out Right, right. And then everyone who knows me would laugh and say you're the stupidest. I've never said it. It's just crazy because you're right. You know you gotta stoke the fire, baby, but you know it doesn't always go that way. One of the benefits of having a truly awful first marriage is you really appreciate a really great second relationship. Right right, right, right right.
Speaker 2:You know, you just go. Oh, so every day feels like Christmas. You're like, wow, this is pretty damn good, because I know what it's like on the other side. The grass is not always greener. Okay, so we get to the scene here where Sergeant Geller and Jay the cop of soup are in Lumberton, north Carolina. They're sitting in a parking garage in Geller's Nissan Leaf, which is an electric vehicle, and up pulls the sheriff the local sheriff. The local sheriff is played by Bill Lake. I just want to say a word on Bill Lake. You may recognize him because Bill Lake is one of those director actors who has been working since 1964. No 74, I'm sorry 1974 was his first role 1974, he played on a TV series.
Speaker 2:He played you know whatever and he's been doing it. His filmography is I was like I think I've seen this guy before and you click on his acting role thing and it says 188 different things he's been and you just go what I knew I had seen. Him. Right, he's always good. He has a certain thing that he does that's really good. But yeah, they pull up. He pulls up the way you know officers do driver window to driver window. We have a derogatory term for that up in the Northeast. Have you guys ever heard of?
Speaker 3:I don't know this one.
Speaker 2:It's not appropriate, but I don't think it's offensive. I'm saying this is for my childhood. I'm increasingly excited this is called a pig part oh God Jesus. Christ. No that's fucking nice.
Speaker 3:I mean, it's not nice. It's not nice, no, it's not nice. That lead up made me think like, oh my God, what's going to?
Speaker 2:happen. No, no, no, just when you see that, but that's specific to the window to window, driver window to driver window To the point that on the wire, when McNulty was hanging out with one of his fed buddies, they had to swap information on something.
Speaker 4:The fed buddy pulled up next to him not window to window and McNulty was like oh so you've never worked a beat before. All right, cool, so okay, I remember that.
Speaker 2:That's so funny. Yeah, it's a good pull. I remember that Now, okay, so before the sheriff pulls up, j Officer Jagan. He is questioning Geller's interest in Wayne and they're saying listen, we keep hearing about you know things he's done, like you sure we're on this for the right reasons. And his buddy, an old buddy, the sheriff, pulls up. We don't know. We are conditioned to think, oh my God, 50, shh like right, like the guy pulls up, you expect like boo, like what are you doing here? Yeah, right. No, it's not that at all.
Speaker 2:It's we have listen. This is what's wonderful about a world that someone has created, where the world exists before us and after us. If that makes sense Absolutely.
Speaker 2:It's such a key component of world building. The sheriff pulls up we don't know how these guys know each other but he goes well, shit, you ain't gained a pound. You're like, okay, All right, Fuck, Like this is. But but you know, for someone like boss who is, she's really keyed into this type of choice, Like exactly what you said before if, if, if you say that's what it is, then I will believe it. Right, but it didn't make me. I never. There was no blip for us. I'm like they know, yeah, that's fine, I'm, I am positive they could be, could have worked together, and maybe the guy used to work in Boston or vice versa, Maybe they were in the army, I don't know. But they know each other, their old friends, and let's keep going.
Speaker 3:I'm totally with it and the highlight. I mean you're saying it, but it's such great writing to be able to communicate that, right? Because if you said, hey, long time, no see, then I'm like I don't know if they know each other. A year you ain't gained a pound means I've known your ass a long time. I knew you before. My hair was great, like you know what I mean. Like I've known your ass a long time. So I just thought like even that, look you know. And then obviously we go into some great stuff here with the jiggle of handle and all that stuff.
Speaker 2:Well, listen, that's the whole thing You're going to as a writer. You got to get this guy in and out. Okay, they do it incredibly well in certain ways and then later on they do it, I think, fairly poorly, but the only reason you notice it is because they did so well this time. So why would you have your character? Okay, there's a thing when you write in Hollywood, when you're in the industry, and especially you write for TV, they will write for you. They will tell you get cut. They say kill your darlings.
Speaker 2:Whatever your personal little thing is, get it the fuck out of there, because we need to tighten everything up and we need to make this go. There's no earthly reason why the sheriff goes to his shoulder walkie and says you got to jiggle the handle and then reaffirms that you got to jiggle it. So some absolute ass hat does not know how to work a turdlet back at the precinct and this poor sheriff has to walk somebody's dumb ass through how to use a toilet. You just go, oh my God, and that stuff gets. I mean, if you're working for Network TV, it's gone. It is gone. There's no room for that. It is a show like this, and only a show like this, which was bought and produced and aired on YouTube Red when it first came out, which I don't think exists anymore. Youtube Red feels like it should be pornography. Youtube Red always makes porn.
Speaker 4:Thank you for not making me point that out. I already made a joke about frog and pig oral sex earlier in this episode, so thank you for at least acknowledging YouTube. Red does sound like the dirty version.
Speaker 2:Yeah you, just when they first, I'm sure somebody thought that anyway, it went away, it's gone. But when they were starting to get into the content production business, there was a boom, boomtown era where Amazon got in and Apple was getting in and YouTube everyone's like, ok, content is king, and every Tom Dick and Harry got series made. And so, thank God, shane Simmons was one of the people through the door and we have the cop here, the sheriff, saying thank you for still thinking about that construction business, because I actually was thinking of that same guy to remodel my kitchen, that kind of thing. So he says, ok, the mayor of Inferiteville, he's got a cop who's out looking for a maniac who assaulted his son over a pit stop in Fairmont, doused the kid in gasoline and threatened to torture. Now we saw that in the opening yeah, cold open of this particular episode. And who was that? Did that?
Speaker 3:Bobby Lutetti.
Speaker 2:Yeah, bobby, but Deller and Jay don't know that. You know they just go. Ok, well, shit. It sounds like the type of hyper violence that Wayne is capable of, historically right, and guess what? This particular maniac at a Boston accent? Well, of course he did, because the only people that are truly capable of that type of violence if you believe half of the movies that take place from the Boston people in them are people from Boston. I really it is mind boggling to me that we have that with Cambridge so close by the bluest city in the Western Hemisphere. But the thing that Boston is known for is knuckleheads who knuckle draggers will beat your ass.
Speaker 2:And now the guy on the radio says I can't stop it, get some more towels. How fast is this thing flowing? So he's got a damn duty calls.
Speaker 3:Anything else develops a like duty calls was so childish I laughed. I was like that is, somebody had so much fun writing that line and me and getting it through. I promise you somebody was like ha ha ha, I made that happen, yeah.
Speaker 2:No, listen. And Jay is still on the. On the message he says you know, okay, we can chalk this up to a good kid having a bad week and he's the Robin Hood type Kid do you think he is? You know, then, what, like? What's our end game here? What are you hoping to get out of this search? I guess I'm really wondering is do we need to protect the world, or do we need to practice Wayne from the world, or do we need to protect the world from Wayne, which I think is considering what a, what a donkey they build Jay up. To be right, he's a, you know, it's not that he's stupid, but he is. He is. He's in his own universe.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, he's in his own universe, I would say characteristic for comedy characters. Yeah, he's in his own universe.
Speaker 2:Right, the old cop, a soup, all that stuff. But, like to crystallize this, the fact that this line comes from him is actually, it feels like more like it would be a Geller line. It would feels like it more you know, be a line where someone you know it's like the it's, it's sort of the A plot. You just go, okay, like what is the point? We're we're several states deep into this, into this Odissian kind of journey, and what are we trying to get out?
Speaker 4:I will point out that, while I love this writing and I really appreciate that they are as law enforcement, they are saying is this a kid who we need to help out or is this a kid we need to protect people from? I noticed that Dell was completely absent from the conversation. Like this started because Bobby came in and said somebody kidnapped my daughter and I understand for writing purposes why the focus would need to move to Wayne, but at no point are they like oh, we also need to check if Dell is okay, like we know about a guy from Boston. Is the girl still alive and around and what's happening with her? That's a good point.
Speaker 1:Actually they did do a hat tip. Sorry, I got it they did do a hat tip to that.
Speaker 2:No, they did like remember when, when, when they first were loading up the Nissan Leaf, when they went to pick up Jay and he didn't have, he only had comfies or whatever he kept correcting Geller and saying we have to go check on him and her right, it was three times in that sequence where he's like.
Speaker 4:So they did but wink at us in that and then they just sort of moved on from it. I understand that, like from a writing perspective, absolutely understand that if this were real life, I'd be like hey bitches, hey, hey, there's a 16 year old girl involved. Let's keep an eye on the press.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, no, I get it, I get. Yes, they did do what you said, coach, but yes, as soon as you said that was like, dell did not get mentioned in this scene. There's no going around it.
Speaker 2:Right, dell is not a threat to the public and so Wayne might. Just somebody dousing some of the they didn't say a local girl, and with the Boston exit doused somebody with gasoline, but but anyway.
Speaker 4:Well, wait, hold on, not, but anyway, because I understand where you're coming from. Like there is this immediate is is there a maniac on the loose that we need to deal with?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a public health concern, absolutely.
Speaker 4:But we can't say that because the menace might be exclusively on Dell, that we need to not pay attention to it. Like, I understand prioritizing things and making things important, but also the idea is, if something bad happens to you, you call the police and they come and protect you and fix it. So I need the police to do a better job of coming and protecting and fixing at times, especially when we're dealing with female victims, especially women of color.
Speaker 3:Another, another, another way to frame what you said, coach I. Another way to frame what you said, coach, is we've got a 16 year old on the run with a guy who we plausibly believe could be the guy who just doused somebody in gasoline. So that's not, that's not great.
Speaker 4:Yeah, like if, if we think that Wayne might have been the guy that doused somebody in gasoline or threatened to set them on fire. The girl with him probably isn't safe either. And again, from a writing perspective, I understand why they chose that. I just every time I see it now it's like how the other day I realized that when women choose mates who are successful, men, who are rich or ambitious or intelligent or anything else, they're often referred to as gold diggers. And when those rich, successful, ambitious men pick much younger, much hotter women, they are referred to as nothing because their wives are called trophy wives. Like in both of those situations, the women are the one that somehow have something, are doing something bad because they're choosing the wrong mate, and the men get off scot free. So like I can't fucking say hello.
Speaker 3:You beat me to the joke. God damn it. I was going to go. I'm not tracking About tracking.
Speaker 2:I mean, I don't even know what you're talking about. What, what, fuck it every goddamn time, fuck it. No, I can't have you met me. Yeah, yeah, no.
Speaker 4:I can't.
Speaker 2:I can't. No, I don't mean that in order to be rebellious.
Speaker 4:I mean literally. I think that, if I think I could only properly breathe, if I'm also saying words out loud in my sleep, even it's ridiculous.
Speaker 2:Well, yes, you really point out that the concern is Dale's health, even though it was not articulated here. The entire undertaking was the, you know, inciting point was was to find the girl who was potentially abducted. We move over to back to getting ready at, you know, inside inside of Jen's basement and Wayne again, he's morose now, it's not the most charming quality when it's so funny, because I describe this. But there are certain people who, if you've ever been around someone with borderline, with a personality disorder which is a terrible thing and it's so difficult to treat, it's so difficult to even diagnose if you have it. It takes a while for you to hone in and go wait, I might have borderline. Some of them have a uncanny ability to wreck your day. So in my experience it's, you know, if you look at the DSM five or whatever, they'll tell you the person has a terrible feeling on the inside and they want the outside to match the feelings and so they do that by how they can try to make you feel, to try to make that match that. You know how they horribly feel on the inside. And I remember in many, many times in my life where I've been around, not only in my family, but elsewhere some romantic entanglements and where it would be like if I had a good day coming, you better believe one of these people. They would line up and ruin it. And so when Dell is having this, she's having a blast with Trisha Like it is a she's never had this before it is.
Speaker 2:I remember the feeling of being this excited to meet someone where it's just, it just clicks, it just works right out of the gate. It feels so good, it is so much fun. And then you have this fucking Mopey Joe, right, debbie Downer just ruining everything. I'm like, oh my God, wayne, but he is wounded and he is trying to in his defense. He is trying to because men, white men, need defense. He is trying to put turn your mic back off, coach, don't let your dear laugh at them. No, but he is trying to. At least he thinks what he is doing is being the bigger person saying, okay, he's not going to tell her that he saw the ticket, but hey, I just think if you want to stay, you know you should stay. He sees how happy she is, so she really is having a blast, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yes, and again connecting to the thing that brought us all together. This feels very hey, keely. We should break up to me with Roy, right, like there's, like oh, I have. The whole time I've kind of felt like why would anybody want to be with me anyway? Turns out you don't fully want to be with me. Let me save you a little trouble and save myself the heartbreak of the moment when you say it. So now I'm just going to say, okay, you can go, and right. So, like this, there's consciously, I think he's saying some version like at least partially saying what you're saying, coach. I think subconsciously this is oh, I better protect myself because this shoe may drop and if it does I'm going to be devastated. So at least I can control when it happens and not yeah, yeah, yeah, yes.
Speaker 4:You know what this reminds me of a little bit? There's a YouTube commercial that keeps popping up when I'm just trying to watch Amber Ruffin on Seth Meyers and they keep fucking interrupting me. It is for the Broadway musical version of Mrs Doubtfire, and they describe it as the story of Daniel, a father that will do anything to remain close to his kids. And I'm like bitch, he won't do anything.
Speaker 4:He won't do anything Because at the beginning of that movie he would not keep a job clean the house, respect his wife, deal with his children as he is an adult, and not having a horse at the party eating birthday cake Like he wouldn't do anything. He would do everything that he wanted to do. Whoa.
Speaker 3:I didn't know we were going to attack the horse thing. I'm going to have to back out of the line.
Speaker 4:Way to be anti-equine Well, number one it was a pony, I should have said pony, I should have explained. Also, one of my closest friends told me that she realized just like a month or so ago that ponies are a different animal from small horses, like entirely two separate species. So just in case anybody else is out there living without that knowledge, yeah, no, so like I, just a little, sebastian. Oh, little Sebastian, I don't get it, I just don't. I don't understand. He's just a horse. Anyway, that was Barks and Rick how dare you?
Speaker 2:I am on behalf of everyone listening who heard you say that you were not immediately fired from the park podcast. I am Ben Wyatt, I don't get it. She's not. Yeah, you are 100%.
Speaker 4:he's also an accountant, yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah absolutely Calculator. That's a good joke. What are you talking about? Yeah it is.
Speaker 4:What's wrong with that, but?
Speaker 2:anyway, I want to point out that once Wayne dips Trish, they win Trish and Jen. They kind of wins right and she goes. Should we like cancel our reservation for PF chains, because they get real conky about last minute shit.
Speaker 3:First of all, so much path in there, it's really good writing so right.
Speaker 2:So here's the thing. This is like something that stand up comedians have done forever is this is when you talk about oh, honesty works in comedy. Every person growing up at least our age would be like, yeah, fucking, go to PF. But as soon as a comedian is like, yeah, so you know, I, you know, my favorite thing in the whole world is the fucking, you know orange chicken salad or whatever at Applebee's or something.
Speaker 2:And then everyone looks around. It's like you fucking went to Applebee, you know, like whatever when they just take that shroud off and they're like we're all the same, all yeah. And so you have Trish, who is like outside the box, rebel, whatever. But she knows it well enough to know exactly how quote, unquote, conty they get about it and I'm like it is such a funny amalgam of you utterly. The word choices is nuts to normalize it around PF Changs, but also the fact that they're like oh yeah, that's where they. They didn't say like we're going to some boutique topist place. You know what I mean? It's like a suburb. They go to PF Changs, yeah.
Speaker 4:I mean number one. Everybody does that. I don't know. In my high school, if you were super fancy, you would go to a standalone restaurant called Key Wester which was a seafood place which I didn't go to because number one, and didn't go to dances. Number two didn't like seafood. Most importantly, number three, it wasn't fancy Like. As I got older I was like, oh not, not that great, just fine. But number two, the salad and outback slams and I will not hear otherwise from that Like there are still. I'll fucking get down on a chili's. I'm not too good for that. I like to think of myself as fairly sophisticated, but those fucking chicken chicken crispers are good.
Speaker 2:I think of you as fairly sophisticated as well.
Speaker 4:Fucking right you do so?
Speaker 2:Oh, jesus Christ. Yeah, emphasis on fairly. So now we cut to yeah, okay, we're at the dance and sort of walk us through this little beat at the dance. Wayne is gone, the girls come in and coach what's sort of happening here.
Speaker 3:Well, they're definitely sort of doing their. We're here and we want to be here, but also we've got to maintain enough cool to mock what's happening here. So we've got that going on. Immediately we see a dude, just you know totally just run up and start trying to like rub his crotch on some unsuspecting dancing classmate of his which is not going to be awkward at all in English on Monday and then, um yeah, you just get the sense that like okay, we're here where we are taking this thing in.
Speaker 2:And then we go over to yeah, yeah go, I coach. So we go to that restaurant.
Speaker 3:Yeah the pizza shop and Wayne's there and he's looking at the book he was given. And then he asked about Trish and Jen and those two are wild. We get from Mr Pizza Maker and very classy and socially forward, does like a scissors motion with his fingers and makes a popping sound with his lips.
Speaker 2:So I'm pretty sure, that's exactly how you do that. Nobody is. Everyone's a mess. I just it's one of the things everyone's. So this guy is a backwards hat. He's the chef at this diner. Slash beats a place. Whatever this place is, it's a place where the truancy thing happened. Right, right. And he's got a name tag on that says what boss?
Speaker 4:It says Saddam yeah.
Speaker 2:Hello, my name is Saddam. He's like as what he's the. He's like Irish white, like he's got, like that is. That is a northern beard.
Speaker 4:That is the man, man who came from Germany or north of that. That is not. That is a white dude beard.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's like a Danish, yeah, right, so so he he is like whitey white, whitey Mcwhite, whatever his name is not so dumb. I know that guy.
Speaker 4:I think he's a third body.
Speaker 2:I think he's a third cousin of mine or something, I'm sure Sure, and so you know he is. Wayne says are you guys know these guys? He makes the very crude sort of scissoring gesture and then Wayne is going to hand him Middle March to give back a book that he got from them, and so he says I can't promise anything right now.
Speaker 2:I just got him some pretty dank nugs, which is just OK. Now we get this beat here, coach, walk us through the couple that he references. They, you know, this is pretty sweet. He points out an elderly couple in the corner, and what does he say?
Speaker 3:They come. They come here order their mushroom pizza and he explains that the man actively hates mushrooms after rain shares that he does. He hates the music in here, he hates this guy. Saddam is telling Wayne all this, you know he hates the music, he hates the smell, he hates all of it. I tell him I can make your pizza half mushroom, half cheese, and that he wants it that way. And why does he want it that way? Because he picks them off to give them to her. And yeah, I mean you know it's a sacrifice, man a sacrifice, which, yes, sacrifice.
Speaker 3:But also this I'm sure I've referenced it, otherwise there's a. There's a great song by Luther Vangios I'd rather and he says I'd rather have hard times with you than good times with someone else, I'd rather be beside you in a storm than safe and warm by myself. And I, just, I always go back to those lyrics, especially when, you know, sometimes you got to think about why you're, why you've made some of your life choices, and but to me, that is what that is the magic Like. That is the like when you work through stuff and you figure it out, like the idea that like, yes, I would rather be sitting here picking a topping I actively dislike off my pizza to give it to you because I know you like it, then to be anywhere else in the world, like that's, that's, that's special stuff.
Speaker 2:I love it. And if we're following the hero's journey through this, wayne has left for the first time, which could be interpreted as crossing the first first threshold, and in which case, you know, I wouldn't. I think that one of the steps of the hero's journey is meet the mentor, and I'm not sure they have one specific mentor, but they break that up. There's another step, after, as you approach the innermost cave. It's called tests, allies and enemies, and so you know this is one of those tests. This is the thing where he gets. It's a hybrid, it's a test, but it's also meeting, a meeting, a mentor of sorts, where he gets him back on track because he says sacrifice man. And then Wayne grabs the book and he seems like he has something resolved, right To where he's made some decision. We don't know what it is because he's waiting, it's not a whole lot of chatter. And yeah, boss, before Wayne is about to wear wanes, about to wear wanes, about to head out. I was wondering. I thought maybe you were going to skip right over it, I'll take it.
Speaker 4:Don't worry, I can handle this. He stops him and he said hey, he may not be eating mushrooms, but you know what will be eating later? Vintage pussy and vintage is a much better word than old. Replace old nine times out of 10 with vintage or retro, way better.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, it's a, things it to Well.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I'm not going to say like you needed to go to coach Bishop for that one. I don't know. I don't know what we need to pay him to get him to sing vintage pussy but I think we could crowd source maybe some dank nugs of our own, exactly.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's pretty much there you go. That's pretty much how he did it.
Speaker 2:It's very, it's exactly.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but but also a great move by them, because it was such a sweet moment and this show is so for better lack of a better word real in terms of like look, life's not a cake walk, everything doesn't end great. That, to sort of give us that very warm fuzzy, makes Orlando think of Luther. Luther Van Drill songs moment and follow it up by the singing of the phrase and this will probably be the last time I use it Vintage pussy, yeah and like and we're back is kind of how that felt to me.
Speaker 3:I can't believe how happy it is made, boss, that I just said it's really great, and also every time you say it makes the world a better place, because I love it so much what you were talking about.
Speaker 4:that line between sweet and sour, bitter, whatever else you want to call reminded me a lot of Bob's burgers. They do this same thing a lot where it's sweet sweet, sweet, funny, bolder joke. Now, none of the children talk about vintage pussy on that show, but that's probably just because it's network TV. One of these days we're good.
Speaker 2:I mean it's hysterical that Wayne is, their conversation is over, when it's like hey, goodbye, and the guy stops him to be able to sing that line to him. I want to point out that here in the lesson.
Speaker 2:Yeah, right, exactly. And Ted Lasso, one of our very it might have been our pilot episode. First time we started talking about the show I said you know, ted doesn't treat anything like a small interaction. And coach said to me well, I think Ted would say what's a small interaction? There is no such thing. Every interaction is important. One of the things I love about Wayne is that the show creator and the writers they don't feel like any character is a small character, everybody's memorable in some way, with the exception of the college kids which I pointed out, they were very vanilla.
Speaker 2:But with the exception of that episode, everybody you meet has like Jesus Christ. You think about the racist construction guy and you think about the. You know, I mean, look at, look at everybody at the school and you look at all the people in Boston and Wayne's dad. And how about the landlord? You remember him, right, right, right, right. You know everybody at the golf course and Tracy who was the waitress. Thank you, Tracy, you know right, I mean like I'm going on break.
Speaker 3:As he comes around. He's got to fight a child.
Speaker 2:I mean it's just, yeah, mr Hernandez the landlord. Yeah, I mean it's like there's so many people and the show spares no expense on making them pop, so that, like this, is one of the best types of productions to be hired on as an actor, because there are no small role. It's just like you can really get yourself noticed with roles like this because there's meat, you know, they feel, really feel authentic, they feel like they exist, and if you can successfully inhabit those roles, you can showcase a lot of your talent as an actor. Okay, it's a quick one. Today we got to stop there. I want to move on, but we have talked too much about vintage pussy.
Speaker 4:To talk about anything else at this point.
Speaker 2:Wow, I mean listen, if you're going to get a window to talk about that about that, by the way how often do you have the opportunity to have that as a topic? So yeah, oh, dear. I think it's yeah.
Speaker 4:Frog penis and vintage pussy. That's how we're going to start on the show.
Speaker 3:What I can't believe we didn't get to with that 69 joke was frog tongue. I think we went totally wrong with our conversation of 69 with those two man, I don't keep Miss Piggy around, I'll tell you that.
Speaker 4:I'm just going to let everybody know. And then, really at the end, one of my closest friends had her first ever sex dream about Danny Tanner from Full House, and the nose featured prominently.
Speaker 3:Oh, dear, yes.
Speaker 4:Oh, that is the right response.
Speaker 3:And now six and nine, my humped-in nose will took all your rear. There we go, Little hip hop in there.
Speaker 4:I think.
Speaker 3:Actually I think he just died. You have to go pick up your kids. You can't die yet.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm very proud that we always managed to give everybody exactly what they were hoping that we could give them. When you tune in to hear about Ted Lasso, to hear about Wayne coach talking about Kermit's tongue, he said it was such authority that it's like a hill he would die on. And I'm like there's something I labor onto the false pretense that Boss is the craziest person on this show. But it might be coach, it might be. He might be more twisted than he lets on.
Speaker 4:I'm not sure if I've mentioned it before, but this is why I feel in my heart, jason Menzukis Menzukis, sorry, it must be the best guy in the world, must be, just like actually in real life, an entire teddy bear, because what he is able to put out into the world is I am a weirdo creep who might stab you, and he does it so well that he has to know where the level is, like exactly where it is, like I'm putting out so much that I'm crazy. You know it's not exactly real.
Speaker 2:You motherfuckers.
Speaker 3:I am worried about you guys.
Speaker 2:You are the you you are. Oh, because we play the nice guy roles. Yeah, I mean, listen, this is this is a no, this is a thing. In Hollywood, it's the guys that play bad guys are usually Ellen Rickman, yeah right, exactly. Great point. Yep, I was talking about Rufus Sewell the other day, who was on the diplomat on Netflix, and he plays a real motherfucker. And did you ever see that show, boss? Yeah, yeah, I watched all that it was great, Okay, Great, oh shit Okay.
Speaker 2:And then I watched them behind the scenes stuff and it was so funny to see some of the younger actors talking with him and it came up like they were talking about charisma. And somebody said there was like four actors there and one of them was Rufus Sewell and he was clearly like the veteran on, you know, on the couch, and they're like well, please don't ask Rufus about charisma, because he just he doesn't know what that is, he's no constant. And they were obviously he is a he must be the most charismatic person. And then they all turned around and like it was like gushing affection for him. Like gushing.
Speaker 2:Like I. Actually I think I should find the clip again and post it on social media. I'll definitely find it and put it in the community site because I was. When you're on set, when you're in these environments where people get cranky and set is a really weird place We've talked about it many times it's a different world, the rules are different, but when you come out of set and you have this type of affection, it's like wow, because it's very hard to hide who you actually are and get real pissy.
Speaker 3:That's what it is. You know what I mean. You can keep it up for a day or two, but if you make like a whole project with people, like at some point all that nice of these shit is done and you get a real glimpse into how people are, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Really are. Yes, yep, unlike this show where we just, we just pretend to be sweet all the time, except for Boss, who's just awful to be around All right, I'm off to put out some Muppet porn.
Speaker 3:I gotta go.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's it, coach.
Speaker 4:See, that's yeah, I believe it now that I've heard they don't call him animal for nothing.
Speaker 2:I didn't want to do a sign up, I just want to turn this off. I want to hit you off, boss. I went to you first intentionally, okay, because I'm just disgusted by coach. No, that's fair, that's fine.
Speaker 4:Yeah, on blue sky, which is where I'm trying to be on a little bit more. That is a Dumbly Chambers, oh one word. But also on threads, I'm there to. It's Emily dot chambers, dot 31. And you can also find me occasionally, as soon as I get my shit together, writing for the antagonist, which is antagonistblog.
Speaker 2:No, it's not what it's antagonistblog.
Speaker 4:Jesus Christ. I did that. I was jumping ahead antagonist. Antagonistblogcom. Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2:There you go boss.
Speaker 4:No, but what I was thinking about is on the community site. I have a sneaking suspicion that somebody sent me a message asking how to get to the community site and that I looked at and then looked away and lost my mind and I can't find anymore. If you were that listener, please contact me again on Twitter or any place that you can. Please send me a message. If I never responded to you, it was a mistake. I didn't mean to. I want to reply to everyone, so just send it again. That is on me, these guys, adhd is rubbing off and I apparently couldn't pay attention. So please reach out again. I will be happy to respond.
Speaker 3:Coach, what are you? I'm going to hype the community today. We have fun in there. We have fun in there. Come join in on the fun. Sometimes it's a real conversation about what we're observing in these shows and sometimes it is some real frankly lunacy. But it's all a good time and really great people who I'm truly glad I got to meet through this crazy little escapade we're on. So check us out via Slack. All your photos in the show notes.
Speaker 2:Okay, Thank you everybody. Thanks for joining us for this episode of Wayne, Episode 6. Who even are we now? We will finish up with part three next time. I can't believe it's taken us three parts to get through this, but then again I'm clearly an unrealistic person. Please support your local libraries in the written word and until next time we are.
Speaker 3:Richmond till we die no good.
Speaker 2:Really, you sounded good. I was holding on. I thought you were going to do it, coach. All right, Thanks everybody. We'll see you next time.