Wayne | Ep 8: "Musta Burned Like Hell" Part 1

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Speaker 1: 0:22

Welcome to our Ted Lasso talk, the Tedcast. Welcome all Greyhound fans, welcome all you sinners from the dog track and all the AFC Richmond fans around the world. It's the Lasso way around these parts with Coach, coach and Boss, without further ado, coach Castleton.

Speaker 2: 0:40

Okay, welcome back, beautiful friends. Today we are discussing Wayne, episode 8, must've Burned Like Hell. I am your host, coach Castleton. With me, as always, is Coach Bishop.

Speaker 3: 0:50

I don't like it when the kids are fighting.

Speaker 2: 0:55

Yeah, there's a lot of that in this episode. With us is our boss, Emily Chambers.

Speaker 4: 0:59

I saw something on Reddit the other day. I think it was a link to a tweet and by the time I went to go find it, I should be able to attribute this to the person that actually wrote it. But somebody said getting older and recognizing, you were never an extrovert, you just preferred socializing to a bad home life. And I was like, hey, hey, just tag me next time.

Speaker 3: 1:24

Yeah, jesus Christ, you could just do that. That's some high heat, man.

Speaker 4: 1:28

I've been thinking the past few years that some combination of getting older and mellowing out a little bit along with the pandemic had turned me into an introvert. And now all of a sudden I'm like, well, I'm gonna have to go back and consider some things. Maybe this is why none of the other kids in my sixth grade class wanted to sit quietly and read about Norse mythology Like I didn't know that wasn't how you didn't make friends. I thought that was normal, was that, not it? Anyway, it feels applicable for this episode. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 2:04

There's a lot packed in there, a real kinship. There's a lot packed in there, real kinship. Sat quietly and read about north mythology that's a lot there.

Speaker 3: 2:13

Um, I was introduced rather recently to the uh ambivert, I believe, is the term that there was it. That's essentially we. We talk about it as a binary like a lot, lot of things, and you know, we're also along a continuum in terms of extroversion and introversion. And that was such a relief to me because I definitely can do the extrovert thing and I definitely can do the introvert thing, but I've never really felt like that. I've always kind of felt like, oh, I'm not quite that. So that helped me to like wrap my mind around how I actually like I like to be around people until I need a break. Yeah, that's a very real thing.

Speaker 3: 2:57

And then when I need a break, if I'm forced to be around people. That's just not.

Speaker 2: 3:00

Yeah, it's so painful. Well, they say, where do you recharge, coach? And this is why you know a lot of people like the I. I like when people say introverted, extrovert, because if you're an extrovert, you recharge by being right people. If you're an introvert, you recharge by being alone. But I kind of recharge by being around both. But I definitely need to get away and be like okay, everyone, just just kind of.

Speaker 3: 3:25

Yeah, but I don't feel like an intro. I'm definitely no, I it wouldn't be an intro.

Speaker 3: 3:30

I think we match well and actually I think our relationship matches exactly what works best for me, which is I can do the big group, the party. I can, and I can do that either as somebody just sitting there enjoying it, or I can be the one who holds court Like coach has seen me, and then, once the bourbon starts flowing, I can do. I can do a tight 20 for you. Just give me a top, holy shit. I've seen that so many times. But, but, but the quiet time.

Speaker 3: 4:07

I don't need it to be absolutely alone, and sometimes my favorite is one, maybe two other people when we're all willing to like have deep conversation, have silence, like I have certain friends who can kind of like match me, like when I'm like I just need to talk, I need to think, or I've been, you know, looking at this issue or whatever, and they can kind of like have the conversation with me. That's probably my favorite. I was actually it's funny, I thought about this recently a friend, blah blah, we we had reconnected and we talked for like three hours on the phone and I was so happy afterward like she and I like we talked about fucking everything, like her life, my life, what the fuck's going on in this country, the world? Oh yeah, I love that cookie like there's, just like the we, you know, but that those were always my favorite. Back to being a high schooler, that was like those were always my favorite back to being a high schooler.

Speaker 4: 5:06

That was like those were always my favorite. Yeah, I don't do so. I think the reason that I would say I'm an introvert is I 100% do recharge by things being quiet, like being alone and things being quiet. It's not that I don't enjoy people or hanging out or even. Sure sure.

Speaker 4: 5:21

It's just that, like one of my five has a girl's weekend every year first birth for her birthday, uh, we go to her lake house. It's like a group of seven or eight people. I know everyone, I get along with everyone, everyone there is wonderful. When I drive home on sunday and the boyfriend asks what I want to do, I say, say, can I sit on the couch and you play Witcher or something? And I just zone out on my phone or maybe pay, and he's like, well, yeah, I have autism, so I would love to play video games and that's some form of socializing.

Speaker 3: 5:56

That's great. He's like say less. Yeah he's like that Game's already started. He's already entered. Hello girl.

Speaker 4: 6:06

That's perfect. But, yeah, no like. Even when it's people that I like and things that I enjoy, I I'm like I need everything very quiet. I realize that that's part of why I used to enjoy the commute from work to home is that I had, even if I was on like headphones, I would just be like on the L, not talking and not thinking and getting to not deal with anyone.

Speaker 2: 6:27

So not, and also not thinking as part. That's interesting. So I wonder if you know I was listening. I was wondering if my coach never got into video games, because when I have my downtime you know I might be in the countryside in Skyrim or I might be you know like, and I think because I've had ADHD it's tough to turn my brain off.

Speaker 2: 6:48

But if I'm like on a mission or if I'm on like some quest or you know some kind of thing or or even some mindless that you know. A lot of people love those mobile games where they can just mindlessly do whatever whatever, and I think it's a right, it helps.

Speaker 2: 7:02

Yeah, juliana loves them. She doesn't play any game but like she's not a huge gamer, but she will play with our children. If they ask, mommy, will you play this game, she'll acquiesce and do it. And then I chirp from behind the couch like Left stick is during your head. She's like I know. You know, like.

Speaker 2: 7:26

But she does like the mobile games because it's this repetition and you can really unplug a little bit. It's fascinating and it ends up being an assistant. If you can't turn your brain off yourself, it sort of lets you cheat it, which is fascinating.

Speaker 3: 7:44

I think of it as giving my monkey mind something to do. I used to doku, oh Like, yeah, that can be for me, that can be. Sometimes. My workouts are that frankly.

Speaker 2: 7:58

Jokes Seth can't say what's that?

Speaker 4: 8:01

Oh, oh God.

Speaker 2: 8:04

Coach calling his mind a monkey mind, you know like there's those, there's those things. Here's a joke, coach. I remember I wrote this. I remember I wrote this beautiful uh piece. I was very proud of it. It was about racism, the nfl and I I was like I think I'm on the right, I think I wrote it right. But I showed it to Coach and our other friend in our fantasy football league, both of whom are black, because I said just spot check this for me, because I was saying it was when Camden got hit by the Broncos.

Speaker 2: 8:38

Remember. I was really proud of it and I was like a white guy has to call this out. This was watching racism happen in real time. They kept hitting this black quarterback and if it was Tom Brady, if they got within one-eighth of an inch?

Speaker 3: 8:50

of him.

Speaker 2: 8:50

It would have been seven flags in the field.

Speaker 3: 8:53

Meanwhile I saw this guy, the whole organization.

Speaker 2: 8:56

Yeah, and so I wrote it and I remember during it I wrote I don't know something about. This was not that long ago, it was like eight years ago, 10 years, not that long, maybe not even that long, but I remember I made some allegory about some. I don't even remember cheetah like speed on whatever, and yeah, or the friend was like just just sad note you can't compare a black man to an animal. I'm saying how fast he is.

Speaker 2: 9:24

It's like the ideal. He's like I don't care if it's a condor, Don't do it. I don't care. Yep, just plain don't do it, because black people read this thing and they'll agree with everything, and then they'll see that one thing, oh, okay.

Speaker 3: 9:38

Yeah, that's real.

Speaker 2: 9:40

Jesus, yeah, that's real, yeah, god, amazing. But anyway, yes, coach, that's what I heard you say Monster Brain, cool, cool, just playing defense, just playing defense, coach. Alright, so we are going to go into Wayne, episode 8. Today Must've Burned Like Hell. We're going to zip right into it. This is an episode that gave both Boss and Coach moments of like visual reaction. We're like watching it with them. Was was amazing.

Speaker 2: 10:13

So let's talk about the opening here. These guys are in a someone has been kind enough to give them a ride in the back of a truck and we open up with with the header that they're finally made it to akala, florida. That's the at long last, coach. We made it um, couple beautiful outdoor, uh beauty shots of them driving, gorgeous, soft lighting of them in the back of this, uh, sort of very protected space. Weirdly, it's like they're leaning on bags of manure, probably, or, or you know, nitrates or whatever. You know. Whatever that is in those bags, it's a dirty. Uh, they're. They're in the cat. Uh, like one of those cat, not the cab. Uh, one of those, um, those addition, the, the, the thing you put in the back of a pickup truck that's enclosed. Uh, it's not a trailer but it's uh yeah, there's a term for it.

Speaker 2: 11:04

Uh, maybe it's a cap, maybe that's what it's called. That's why it's not cab trailer, but it's uh. Yeah, no, there's a term for it. Uh, maybe it's a cap, maybe that's what it's called. That's why it's not cab for a sec. But I think it's a roof. Um, you put a roof on the car, yeah, roof. Yeah, I got a truck, okay looking for a roof, heard you was the one on the truck yeah, so they're in the back of this and a beautiful. That's what I was going to say.

Speaker 3: 11:24

Like for such a rough actual experience is the Amber light and the you know, to me it was obviously morning light, which I probably totally made up because it could be sunset, but it just felt like a new day. The shot felt like a new day.

Speaker 2: 11:42

Very sweet, yeah, and we don't know who gave them a ride. It's not material to the moment. What we're really getting here is the closeness, finally physical closeness, between Wayne and Del. They're both sort of asleep, leaning up against these bags, or at least have their eyes closed. Looks like Del's out cold. At least Wayne is a little more sitting upright, a little bit more, but she's got her head like firmly, like wedged into his side of his neck, like on his shoulder, like she, she, you know she couldn't move her head closer to his body. Um, and when they wake up, uh, you know there's, uh, yeah, we got music playing overhead. When they wake up, um, there's a nice look between them, a smile, and then, uh, what does dell realize here, coach, she's been, uh, drooling.

Speaker 3: 12:29

She asked that I drool on you, um, and anybody who's been in this situation, that is. That's a thing that's like, like the. You know, we, we, we relaxed. Oh god, did I relax too much, right? Right Right. So it was sweet.

Speaker 2: 12:46

It's adorable, and he says I don't mind. And then she sort of backs it, sits away and she gives him this look that I really love and I don't want to, I don't want to gloss past it, because she kind of just looks at the drill and looks at him and she has this such like a warm smile behind him which is we just don't see from dell.

Speaker 2: 13:06

Yeah, I mean, it shouldn't be an indicator of anything in this world god, we should be so much more evolved than we are. But it ends up being that in this young lady's life, the ability to drool on someone and for it to be okay is a huge, like sort of advancement in her personal existence.

Speaker 3: 13:33

I mean in this moment, I mean up until you know. We dropped them off and, as the truck gave them the ride, pulls off. They're holding hands, standing there waving goodbye. I mean, it's almost, you know it's, it's almost giving postcard vibes um there's got to be a level on short version.

Speaker 3: 13:55

I did a story once on stage and one of the lines, as I was talking about being kid, was it was the last time our family felt whole and to me she I get the sense that in this moment, um, she feels whole, maybe for the first time ever, certainly for the first time since her mother's gone, that she could feel that that kind inner calm, peace. I'm with the people, I'm with my people. So I think it sets up a lot of what goes not so great in this episode, but yeah, it's very sweet.

Speaker 2: 14:40

I will say for the record I don't think we as a civilization, as a culture, do a very good job enjoying that moment collectively, because if you are born into a family, you don't get to choose who your family is. You're born into a family. And then if you're born into a family that does not sync up with you, where you don't fit in, where, where you just, for whatever reason, they're not your people, when you do find your new family and you make it of your own volition, it is really exciting, like it it's. It's a. We don't even have a word for it that I'm aware of in english. You know, I'm sure the germans do um, but right, we don't have. It's funny, we just. It's such a huge thing, that moment that you just identified, coach. It's like I'm with my people, I'm where I'm supposed to be, um, especially if you've manufactured it on your I was only going to say that I think uh term popularly used in the lgbtq community is found family.

Speaker 4: 15:41

So like yes, right that idea especially if you're, yeah, asshole, parents kick you out, then finding the new people that you get to choose to make your life with is pretty powerful you're right, that is true.

Speaker 2: 15:55

Yes, in that community it's. I remember hearing my brother say that one time um, uh, it's funny the mafia used to do. There was something I remember growing up and hearing this and I I never had this version, but I would say, uh, um, you bring somebody that's not affiliated with the mafia into a mafia event kind of thing. You introduce them as a friend of mine, right. But if they are, if they are like mafia related and and you're allowed to talk in front of them, you say he's a friend of mine.

Speaker 3: 16:25

Yeah, that was in. They highlighted that in Donnie Brasco. Oh, did they yeah. I remember that being a point that came up there, but yeah, that's a thing, oh yeah.

Speaker 2: 16:36

I checked out of Donnie Brasco. I can only take so much.

Speaker 3: 16:41

Don't you dare, don't you dare.

Speaker 2: 16:47

I have such a love hate pacina uh, a relationship with pacina uh, but yeah, I don't know he's uh yeah legend but I, I get, I get it, I get it, I, I, I stick with.

Speaker 3: 16:54

Shocking to everyone, I'm sure. Uh, because I love him the way I do, I stick, I stick with it longer than anyone should like. I like, even I get off the train, even I am like okay, I don't know why you just screamed good morning, but we're gonna just have to stop here.

Speaker 2: 17:14

I don't know, okay, and he's weirdly not like that at all in real life. Introspective soft-spoken. Yeah, so at any rate. But yeah, yeah, he just does that thing. You can vlog my wife but you can't watch my goddamn TV, sir. Okay, take it. Take it here's a glass of. Oj, my friend. All right, boss, were you going to say something Only?

Speaker 4: 17:42

that? What was the movie? The Scent of a woman.

Speaker 4: 17:46

I remember everybody really loving that when it came out and I didn't see it until I don't know, 10 or 15, maybe 20 years later and somehow I ended up watching it. I was like this didn't age. Well, this didn't turn out that great. I I I will not doubt the filmmaking quality or the story or anything else. It's only that the story was basically Al Pacino defending a young Chris O'Donnell, because Chris O'Donnell wouldn't rat out his buddies who had done something pretty horrible at a private school.

Speaker 3: 18:18

Yeah, it was a boarding school.

Speaker 4: 18:20

Boarding school.

Speaker 3: 18:20

Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I get it, I get it. Boarding school yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I get it, I get it. But that final speech, I, I, I, I have played that final speech when I'm just like it's time for me to set the world on fire and I need a little motivation.

Speaker 4: 18:34

Yeah I mean, when he goes off. Yeah, I, I but yes I believe that there are films that you need to see at a specific time in order for them to hit right, because, like I'll throw out there that um, I've mentioned david rackhoff before. He's one of my favorite writers. Uh, also, when I was in high school, I loved the absolute shit out of rent. I thought it was incredible. I thought look at, look at all these people doing exactly what they want to and then, as I got older, I was like what do you mean?

Speaker 4: 19:02

you don't want to pay your rent. And David Rakoff has this whole thing about how wanting to be an artist and practicing your art and doing everything else. And he lived in a terrible neighborhood where he was mugged twice and he didn't have relationships because he was too afraid to be who he was and he wanted to be a writer but couldn't write. But here's what I did I paid my fucking rent and so now that I'm an adult, there's a part of rent where I'm like funny. I'm like, yeah, guys, come up, come on now.

Speaker 2: 19:29

Even I can recognize it well, pacino won the golden globe and the oscar for that. Um, brett martin breast won the golden globe for it. Uh, poe goldman won the screenplay. Uh, it was a golden globe screenplay. So, yeah, it didn't the way it aged, it's not. I remember it did me a favor because I think that was probably. What year was that? Was that 93?, 92? No, 93. It was 93. It did me a personal favor because I thought I watched this movie. I thought Pacino was sort of one note in it. Uh, I wasn't. I wasn't wowed by, like his, the completeness of his performance. I forget who else was nominated that year, but I was like I can pick, not just the four other people nominated. I can give you, you know, 10 other people that had a much better performance. And I I was like, oh, this is a make-good Oscar, this is like, yeah, it's training day for Denzel.

Speaker 3: 20:29

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 20:31

Yes, Although I mean yeah, I do think he was still.

Speaker 3: 20:38

Oh, I'm not saying it was a bad performance, but if you tell me like look through the Denzel Washington filmography and, without knowing, tell me where the Oscar was won. I would pick Training Day. I mean, I thought it was great, I enjoyed it, but that's not like.

Speaker 2: 20:59

I told you, you know, I hear you. No, I think it was probably his only good performance. I mean just spitballing.

Speaker 2: 21:06

Oh no, I was reading the Ed Zwick biography, as I mentioned. There's this amazing story in it where he's directing Glory, so the first time. He's one of Denzel's first movies, wouldn't all the camaraderie between the two. He's a white director directing uh rehearsals for black soldiers first time morgan freeman. Apparently. He was like uh had walked in and, you know, had had a rough go of it, acting wise up till like around that point in his life I have a lot of tv, you know, but not electric company, not automatic, yeah. And so he put this crew together of these black actors who were going to play, um, you know, the soldiers in the 54th, and it's so interesting to hear, like him talk about how they were rehearsing. And Delzel wouldn't rehearse. He was like would just read the lines, wouldn't kind of get into it, and the guys all started to break their own characters.

Speaker 2: 22:00

And as he's watching this as a white boy, the story is ostensibly about Robert Gould Shaw, who played by Matthew Broderick, who was the white commander of this black regiment, the first black regiment in the Union Army, and bravely gave their life for uh, he said. You know, the script was written not as like a white savior script. They're mindful of this. The reason the whole thing came about was the actual history of it was exactly this like they didn't. You know it wasn't like a, it was like. This is actually how it went down. Yeah, it's not us adding things or anything, but as he saw these, it was. It was a, a young guy who had never done a, had never been on a camera before that Ed's like saw on stage, named Andre Brower, and you go like oh, my God yeah.

Speaker 2: 22:56

So it's like a young Andre Brower who who, by the way, did not know how to hit his mark, he kept like being a theater actor.

Speaker 2: 23:08

And they said you know, you're getting too far from your mark. He goes what's a mark? That's great, like he'd never been in front of a camp, you know. So they're, they're doing these off-camera rehearsals and denzel wouldn't go with it, um, because, apparently, like, rage fuels his stuff, so he has to, like, get up on the day and he's very, apparently, very, apparently very spiritual, and so he was like he had to connect with his ancestors on the day. And so when we came in the first day of shooting, everybody was amazing, like in that whole group, because they were really into this thing. But when denzel came in, it was like a totally different thing. And you know, you know that iconic moment where, um, where they whip and he's staring, yeah, yeah, he's staring, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 23:43

Yeah, he's staring. Yeah, the way that happened was they'd been doing these takes and Denzel was like um, okay, they had. Like. The guy who was doing the whipping apparently was like the nicest guy in the world. He's like I don't feel comfortable. I live in Georgia.

Speaker 2: 23:57

I don't want like this to be my you know, like when they talk to him and they're like okay, we're going to do three whips or whatever, and that'll be it, and then we'll cut, and we'll just automatically cut. So they do this, they do this, and every time Denzel's like no perfect whip, but this next one, without telling Denzel, ed Zwick says keep whipping. And it was such a betrayal Because Denzel was in the scene right, and after the third whip comes a fourth, and then a fifth, and then a sixth, and Denzel's such a pro he's staying with it. But it was like this weird betrayal and sort of recrafting this power imbalance. You know what I mean? This whole thing. And that's when Denzel did the tear and that's when they got him and of course, he ended up winning the Academy Award for this.

Speaker 3: 24:52

I love that, I love that story and I love it because there are moments when you're directing where I almost apologize for myself. I've directed, I'm allowed to talk about it, so I'm going to, I'm going to just go. But the moment when you're director you had to decide like Am I going to do this risky, courageous thing that I think will actually get something special, or do I color inside the lines and sure it'll be fine and no one can possibly get upset, and I just love stories of people pushing that. Now, the downside of that is then some people take that to mean like, yeah, really grab her boob, let's see what she does. Like that's not what I'm talking about, no, but there's like a. There's a.

Speaker 3: 25:45

There's a scene in on the Waterfront where the Brando character is in the car with his brother and apparently they'd had this whole conversation about the scene and Brando's point was don't have him pull his gun on me, okay, because we're brothers, and if he wants me to do something there are much more powerful levers between two brothers then I'm going to point a gun at you to to make this thing happen. And they all agree. You know what you're right, dramatically blah, blah. And then, of course, the director of on the waterfront's not coming to me at this exact moment. I'll think of it in a second but apparently he told the other actor once they had this whole conversation pull the gun. And so in the scene Brando just sort of pushes the gun away like the guy, and he pushes it away, but it's sort of like are you fucking serious? But the story is yes, he's doing it in character, but he's also like to the director and the other actor, like are you?

Speaker 3: 26:53

guys fucking serious and I thought like, oh, that's great, like because if you tell him it's coming, you're not gonna get that. I don't know what you're gonna get. It might have been brilliant he's mauling brando but you weren't gonna get that. You weren't gonna be like get the fuck out of here. Like you just weren't gonna get that moment um so anyway, I just love when, uh, I don't people go for things like that.

Speaker 3: 27:14

Certainly not as iconic as on the waterfront, but I remember having a scene where the two, the two leads. It was like right before you really declare how you feel about each other, but they'd slept together. What have you? And I told each of them separately. The scene just wasn't popping. I told each of them separately. The scene just wasn't popping. I told each of them separately. No matter what your dialogue is, every line is saying I love you, but I didn't let either one know that I told the other one that and the scene was like next take was like that sizzled, moving on, let's go.

Speaker 2: 27:52

Yeah, no, it is amazing as a director to be able to cut through that. I want to say that I will say support the written word and I've given you some of the great insights from the book hits, flops and other illusions by Ed Zwick. Nice, so I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to pimp his book.

Speaker 3: 28:07

Yeah, that's fair.

Speaker 2: 28:10

He, he, he reads on the audiobook, which is great, it's his own words. Um, it's a man. It is just chock full of amazing industry stuff and he doesn't uh, big himself up, which I love. He doesn't like make himself out to be something. You know. Oh yeah, I did so. I was like I was insecure and stupid and so of course, I did this. Right, right, you know so. Anyway, it was really fascinating.

Speaker 2: 28:37

But bringing it back to Wayne Coach, what you were talking about, they get dropped off at this looks like five-star gas bar, this little rinky-dink gas station in Ocala, and you know, wayne, and they're holding hands, which is nice, but they wave to the driver to say thank you, which, like they haven't had many polite interaction, you know, it's like really atypical for them to say, hey, thank you. Like they got, they came in contact with the perfect person for that. Like they were not triggered, they weren't bothered, it was only kindness, um, and so they wave them away, um, and then, uh, so they, uh, we guys, we have a beautiful shot, like you said, a postcard, of them hanging out outside, um, he's got a little drill mark on his shirt. They look at each other. She says I'm fucking stabbing and of course they go in. Now, boss, will you walk us through uh them in the um gas station please?

Speaker 4: 29:32

yeah, this is. This is, uh, intentionally pissing off the audience. Um, they're looking at the candy. Uh, he says we could do dipsticks and she says there's only one. He says there's only one. I wouldn't want to give you my spit germs. And she says there's only one. He says there's only one. I wouldn't want to give you my spit germs. And she says it's a little too late for that. Like, leans into him. They're being very cute, and not even in a way that makes me uncomfortable.

Speaker 2: 29:58

I'm good with it, right. Yeah, it wasn't over the top, it was just a little. Yeah, they're just being cute.

Speaker 4: 30:04

And I think that they are appropriately damaged. So I'm in favor of all this. All this is good. They keep talking about what about these? No, that's got that coconut ass.

Speaker 2: 30:16

She does this little thing, boss. She does that little thing with her foot.

Speaker 4: 30:19

With her foot also.

Speaker 2: 30:20

Where they do an insert of a shot of her foot, kind of bumping his foot. That's as playful as.

Speaker 4: 30:27

Yes, this is intentionally like bumping somebody's knee underneath the table on purpose.

Speaker 2: 30:34

One of those Right, yeah, yeah, yeah. And he offers some candy, that's got that coconut asshole taste.

Speaker 4: 30:40

She doesn't care for that.

Speaker 3: 30:43

And I was trying to place that because I feel like that is a callback. We've discussed already coconut. Was that the cookies?

Speaker 2: 30:52

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The first time she sells cookies, she's like they sell. It tastes like coconut assholes or whatever I was like.

Speaker 3: 30:58

I know that I couldn't remember. Yeah, anyway, yeah, sorry boss.

Speaker 4: 31:04

No, no, no. I was more so trying to figure out why it is that coconut seems to be such a polarizing flavor. I love it. I think it's fucking delicious. I would eat coconut candy all goddamn day, but other people, if they smell it, like automatic vomiting.

Speaker 2: 31:22

Never met a macaroon I didn't like.

Speaker 3: 31:24

Yeah, man, my mother used to make this amazing coconut candy, like she'd shave the coconut and then, like you, bake it in these like little balls. There was a lot of ginger involved. I'm not supposed to eat coconut anymore, but I do remember like liking that enough that, even though it made my mouth itch a little, it's probably a single measure of eating it that I still would have some, because it was. I just liked it so much because you're not allergic.

Speaker 3: 31:49

You're not supposed to eat it, it's never really lit me up, but definitely I get signals. I had an allergist tell me maybe we don't wait until this goes wrong. Maybe we just stop with the coconut. I was like, all right, that's cool.

Speaker 2: 32:06

Feels like the beginnings of a prank. Coach, did you get a boob job? What these? No, give me a hug. Coach, you got two coconuts under your shirt Castles. Yeah, the while we're doing this, while we're doing this irritating thing With the audience, which is exactly what Boss is alluding to.

Speaker 4: 32:28

What happened to boss Reggie?

Speaker 2: 32:29

The car that set all this off audience which is exactly what boss is alluding to.

Speaker 4: 32:30

Uh, what happens? The car pulls up. Reggie what car the car that set all this off the car no car pulls up how could that be?

Speaker 4: 32:37

and uh, dell, to her credit, immediately turns around and says holy shit, they've got free coffee here and the car nothing. Nothing. With the car, some. Uh one of the guys working at the gas station starts spraying down the window, so he's in the way and the water's in the way, uh. So wayne grabs one of the creamers and drinks it and he says oh, they got little milk so well, it tastes fine. It doesn't taste fine. She says that's creamer dummy. I know for a fact that that doesn't taste fine, because I can't remember who it was.

Speaker 4: 33:13

At some point in high school we had one of those late start days. So my friends and I all went out to breakfast. Oh, my friends, I had like two friends and then I tagged along with that. This is fine. Point is, we're out at breakfast and somebody had said something about how someone drank 12 of the creamers and then threw up, said something about how someone drank 12 of the creamers and then threw up, and I was like 12 is nothing Like 12, you drank 12, nothing.

Speaker 4: 33:36

So I drink all of them that we have at the table and then everybody starts going around to the other table to gather up as many as they can. I want to say I ended up drinking like 42, like 42 of the creamers. Sweet Jesus, drinking like 42, like 42 of the creamers. I think we, I think, if I got that, they were like, if you drink 25, we'll buy your breakfast. And I was like, fantastic. So I drank 25 and they were like, okay, we'll cover your breakfast. And I was like, well, I already paid for one. Will you buy the second one If I wanted another breakfast?

Speaker 2: 34:05

Oh, 11 Z's got it.

Speaker 4: 34:07

Nice and then went to school with, uh, a belly full of creamers 42 creamers, I think. I think it was 42.

Speaker 3: 34:17

But anyway, they're not terrible, but they're not the best I don't even I mean yeah, okay, coach, you got anything, I love it I love it and I have one of those.

Speaker 2: 34:29

I have like an iron belly. Yeah so. I can do well, I'm like, are you? Kidding me. 42. I could probably do a hundred.

Speaker 3: 34:36

I have the opposite of an iron belly, so all of this sounds like an invitation to disaster. I have stretches of my life where I've been hospitalized and they still don't know what's wrong with me? It's like, eh, my stomach just freaked out again. This just happens sometimes, oh well.

Speaker 2: 34:54

Now I want to recreate the anniversary of our podcast. I want to recreate the Raiders of the Lost Ark. Shot-for-shot battle with creamers. You drink this shot and then you turn it over like it's done, just slam an empty creamer.

Speaker 3: 35:11

When we this shot, and then you turn it over Like it's done, just slam an empty creamer. When we gather the buttercups.

Speaker 4: 35:16

that will be part of the mission and we could do that, but mine will need to be a milk alternative. I can't do dairy, so it's going to need to be an almond milk or a coconut milk.

Speaker 3: 35:28

Oh, one of those, but'll still do it, it's fair.

Speaker 2: 35:33

Fair. Well, he downs the thing and Dell takes a sip of the free coffee and she says maybe it's too hot for coffee, Keep going she says it's too hot for coffee.

Speaker 4: 35:42

Fucking Florida. That's right. Maybe you should get some shorts. And he says I don't wear shorts. She says ever. What do you wear to the beach? He said I don't know. I ain't been to the beach. When I went as a little kid, I would wear pants.

Speaker 2: 35:56

And she goes Now wait a sec, hold on. I want to point this out because this is how good Mark McKenna is as Wayne. It's the only time he slips that I know we into first slip. He says bean, like an irish. Oh, I don't know, I ain't never been. I'm like because it's been. I ain't never been to the b. It's like, it's definitely not like.

Speaker 4: 36:17

Yeah, it's not bean it's been. I was like it like a, like a trash bin bin I ain't never been to the beach.

Speaker 3: 36:23

Yeah, um, it was only time I was like, oh wow, one word got through after all this time and got through based on your finely tuned ear, because you know the region that well, you could catch one word. I mean that's pretty impressive.

Speaker 2: 36:38

It's a great point of pride in my life. Okay, keep going.

Speaker 4: 36:41

It's at least not as a bigger person. She says what did you wear when you were little? He says pants. She goes okay, how far is the beach? We're going.

Speaker 3: 36:55

Pants or no pants, we're going to the beach like this is also the girl that grabbed her swimsuit, her bikini and nothing else. So I thought of that immediately too. I was like, uh, this is all gonna come together we're going to the beach.

Speaker 4: 37:02

He she says look, there's a map, grab it. So he grabs it and of course puts it directly in front of the window as the car is pulling away.

Speaker 2: 37:13

No, yeah, no, it's still wait. The car did it pull away when you had it in front of the window?

Speaker 3: 37:18

From the window, from the window.

Speaker 4: 37:19

Yeah, pulled around to the other side.

Speaker 2: 37:20

Oh, from the window I see okay.

Speaker 4: 37:23

So she holds up her fingers and says, alright, the beach is this far away, how far is that? And and says, all right, the beach is this far away, how far is that? And he says pretty far. But once we get that car, she says and then in comes Reggie. And the saddest part is that it's Reggie and Reggie's buddy and Reggie's dad. And I feel like you should not. I'm not going to say never, but like whatever Tuesday ornesday afternoon is happening here, you shouldn't be going on a beer run with your father if it's not vacation. There are some, there are some occasions when it's not what a fucking mess this is, but like they are just like a band of dysfunction.

Speaker 3: 38:18

They come into the space that way. Everything that happens while they're in the space Like they're just the worst.

Speaker 4: 38:24

And yeah, that that that dad is part of the crew is like yeah, that the that that dad is part of the crew is like, yeah, dad shouldn't be part of your crew and I am. I have heard people before say that their mom is their best friend, or women say that their daughters are their best friends, and I hope that's not true in the way that I'm best friends with my best friends, like I understand that relationship, but I hope it's not exactly the same. Um, but especially like he has, reggie is not so far out of his teen years that your parent should be your best friend. When you were a child. You should not be friends with your parents.

Speaker 3: 39:01

That's also sorry, yeah, no go. I was gonna say you're defining, like even even saying, what you mean by best friend. I mean again, like my Alex. You know my son has buddies who come by here. I've coached a bunch of them. I know a bunch of them. Here's what happened. I come into the room I make some half coach, half dad joke. The last one was one of the guys I hadn't seen in a while. I was like, oh, my property values are going up. I better sell this place before vitality gets out of here, blah, blah. So we have you know, aren't you a silly old person? And I give everybody a pound and a hug and then I get the fuck out of here and I feel like that's plenty and they smiled and I smiled and everybody's happy.

Speaker 3: 39:45

But like we're not going on, any fucking beer run. What To me, what you mean by best friend? If what you mean is when I need to sort out the mysteries of life, this is the person I talk to great. If what you mean is we need to have somebody who can show their ID and get the beer, not great.

Speaker 4: 40:05

Yeah, I think that's the sad part for me.

Speaker 2: 40:10

I did not notice that Calvin, the father who is. You got Calvin Clay played by Kirk Ward, and you got Reggie played by Francesco Antonio, and then two friends. I did not realize Calvin was in on this beer until we got outside, so I didn't see him walk in. They really, if you look at the cuts, they go out of their way to show the friends, but I didn't see that the dad was even there until later. Uh, but I think Wayne probably clocked it. Um, so when they come in and Reggie is kind of holding court, he grabbed 30 rack and and and flaming hots and grab a nice bag, I'm gonna get the blunt wraps, which is, you know, he's a big shot, he's, he's gonna get the blunt wraps. Um, uh, he goes up to the counter, says what coach about?

Speaker 3: 41:02

to eat mint chocolate chip and get hot as fuck like he. He's really like man. We are living the fucking life. He's still at the phase of his life that the fact that he can get fucked up helps him prove what a man he is. You know what I mean.

Speaker 3: 41:21

I drink beer, yeah, we all. Okay, great, but anyway he's very pleased with himself. They're about to get high as fuck. The thing he does with his lips it's duck lips adjacent and I couldn't stop noticing it through this whole episode and I really want to thank the actor because it was like a constant visual reminder of what a fucking idiot this guy is. And actually now, having seen the IMDb pic of this guy, he's like this handsome. Whatever guy doing that with his mouth was a brilliant choice, but it just it made me go oh, you're an idiot got it.

Speaker 2: 41:59

I, I fucking love the character of Reggie. I unabashedly I adore this character. If you look at Francesco Antonio, you see his picture. He's svelte, he's got like what a 2% body fat.

Speaker 2: 42:15

He's a ripped motherfucker but he's a little doughy in this. His clothes are horrible. He's got a cheap shit gold chain, he wears a gold grill, he does the thing with his mouth and he always has a toothpick around and he does the thing with his, with his mouth, and he always has a toothpick around and he does the thing with the toothpick. He's so repellent in such a trashy, obnoxious, intentional way that, uh, you just gotta stand back and go. Wow, that is and, and. Just as as a list of character traits, they fly in the face of a New Englander where it's like show them as little as possible. Wayne is stone faced.

Speaker 2: 42:58

It doesn't give you anything. It couldn't be more opposite. Yeah. So he goes up to the thing and there's this mastodon, this giant, behind the counter. He had a glass wall and you know, uh, reggie's uh be, you know, chirping at the guy, and the guy gestures behind him. Oh, there's actually customers here. Uh, reggie sucks his lips like he does and backs away and makes a big show of oh. He sees, oh, there's a uh, you know, young guy and a young girl behind me and he goes, oh, and then he bows and moves away, go right ahead like a, like a butler, entering. You know, mr lebowski is right this way. Um, and then he stares at the back of wayne's head. He's not gonna fight the girl, but like he takes it personally that they were in line behind him and forced him to be embarrassed somehow or whatever. Look at him, he's just see him. Look at him.

Speaker 3: 43:56

But the great part is they were waiting. If he had gotten his shit and whatever, they weren't bothering him. But now to use your language Coach, now somehow to Reggie, they are a thing and it's like how is he your problem? He literally hasn't said or done anything and now we got a problem.

Speaker 2: 44:17

Nothing, nothing. Reggie doesn't like it. Reggie holds it again, stares at him while he does the thing, smiles at the girl. Now he's got the toothpick back in his mouth, sort of. Does he bump Wayne Hold on, I didn't even notice that. Does he bump Wayne on the way out, maybe hands and he goes up to the counter. And what does he say?

Speaker 4: 44:38

boss Give me them, great swishy boys.

Speaker 3: 44:42

Yeah. Swish are sweets for you, those of you who are out there thinking about rolling a blunt.

Speaker 4: 44:48

Yeah, that's. The thing is that it's always been so funny to me that a staple of adulthood the drinking and smoking and doing drugs and everything else. People will do that and it will be on Boone's Farm strawberry wine, like I distinctly remember being 15, getting shit faced on strawberry and I'm like what are you doing? What are you're not in, you're not enjoying the booze. You might enjoy being fucked up but, you are not enjoying the booze because 100, you're drinking zimas, so like the zimas I swear to god, I swear to god 100.

Speaker 3: 45:28

It's not like I've never had one. I just can't think of the last time somebody mentioned one in my presence. Oh, that's perfect.

Speaker 4: 45:35

I mean to be fair to my younger self. When I was 16 or 17, I asked my older sister's buddy to get me and my friend some booze. And he was like, yeah, what do you guys like? You're dipshits, but fine, I'll fucking get you some booze. And I was like just a case of whatever. And I met a case of beer. Obviously, I met a case of beer, a case of any light beer, and the motherfucker came over with 30 Zimas 30. And I was like what are we even supposed to do with these?

Speaker 2: 46:12

I don't even know where to store them. I zima, zima was what malt, liquor?

Speaker 1: 46:15

no, no, no, no, no was it. I thought zima was more like in the white.

Speaker 2: 46:17

Oh no genre, yeah, but it wasn't, but isn't white clad? Liquor too like no, no no, no, no, wait, is it? There's one of them where you go where it's like you look at the thing and you go like, oh, I think this is vodka, and you go wait, no, this is actually kind of maybe I got the wrong, but but there's a.

Speaker 4: 46:33

There's a very popular one right now where it's like really low and shit liquor and you're like, oh fuck, I thought this was I'm trying to think it might be a truly, because, god knows, I drank a couple of truly's once and I was like, oh, these aren't that bad. And I woke up the once and I was like, oh, these aren't that bad. And then I woke up the next morning and I was like, truly, could suck my ass, truly is garbage.

Speaker 2: 46:52

Yes, that's the whole thing is.

Speaker 4: 46:53

People get crushed on it the next day, right, I'm just going to go back to drinking straight bleach or house cleaner or something, because this is bad.

Speaker 2: 47:07

Well, so, Coach, what are Grape Swishy?

Speaker 3: 47:08

Boys. They're blunt wraps. I mean they're like they. They sell them. Some of them have uh like a flavor to them, but they're like cigar, basically cigar leaf, but like they're there to to roll up the marijuana I.

Speaker 2: 47:24

I've never rolled joint my life um if I had to, I would just never, I would never smoke. I would just never smoke because I was like I've seen people like be amazing at it and do and like yeah, and I'm like why the fuck would I? I will never.

Speaker 3: 47:38

If it takes that to get to the high like there's, no, there's absolutely no, I mean I functionally I can roll something that we can all then light on fire and get high, but it's not but what you're? Describing is like an art form that I'm just not.

Speaker 2: 47:53

Some people are amazing. They look like cigarettes. They're perfect all the time. No, thank you, give me that grave Swishy Boys. The mastodon behind the counter says are you going to pay for him this time? And he says how about you be the Swishy boys? Get in, motherfucker, and shut the fuck up. Which? Is what you say to a convenience store clerk, who wonders if you will commit larceny in front of him again.

Speaker 4: 48:24

I don't think it qualifies as larceny. I think it's petty theft. No, no, larceny is expensive. That's a whole other thing.

Speaker 2: 48:27

Okay, well you are an accountant? Yeah, no, larceny is expensive. That's a whole other thing. Okay, well, you are an accountant. That's not what we do. I have no idea, no idea what you guys do. So we follow Wayne and Adele outside. They are having a good time. They are completely not. There's no thing going on with Reggie, they're just like whatever.

Speaker 3: 48:49

It's like bumping in anybody else. So I just want to point out there's a a really cool uh combination of what they shot and what they cut that I I liked in terms of again sort of accentuating this, like we're in this honeymoon moment with uh dell and wayne. Where they were. We're on dolly tracks going to our left and as they pass, as the uh gas pump wipes the frame, they pop in to the closer shot, mirroring that. So it feels like one shot, but you actually pop in a little closer to them. Even. I just thought it was very smooth to be in an area like this and get that sort of get something that visually interesting. I thought it was impressive.

Speaker 2: 49:37

Actually, yeah, that's beautiful. I'm glad you called that out. So yeah, he's eating some of the candy. He says it's sour, she's like you want some coffee, and he takes a sip of it. Remember how he feels about coffee, boss. It's fucking disgusting yeah, most disgusting thing he's ever tasted in his life. He puts it in his mouth and turns and spits it out. He's backing away. It doesn't look where he's spitting, he didn't know there was anything there. And he turns. And what has he done, coach?

Speaker 3: 50:03

He has spit his coffee on the hood of a gold trans. Wait a minute.

Speaker 2: 50:12

Hold the phone. Yeah, he did not notice it until this moment. And this is also how we know when Del says holy shit, she was looking at the car pulling in and she goes they got free coffee. They just were totally head-faking us this whole time. But Del does not know what the car looks like. She's somehow never seen a picture, and we know that because the photo that wayne had ended up, uh, he accidentally gave it to mr hernandez, who brought it to the cops who started this whole thing. So, um, he accidentally spits on the hood of his fucking car, yeah, basically, which happens to be behind him right. And the thing that we see really quickly boom, boom, boom, boom.

Speaker 2: 50:51

We get this like the type of super fast montage you get when everyone's loading up their guns about to go into battle. You do those quick, you know, gun going into holster, cinching straps on you. It's that kind of thing. We get a shot of the rims, we get a shot of the logo, we get a shot of the uh, the logo. We get a shot of the keys in the ignition, just sitting there and we hear the dulcet tones of reggie as he says what the fact?

Speaker 2: 51:23

And now they turn around and reggie is standing up by himself outside the gas and sip there and he says you better clean that shit off my car bitch. And now we got a little showdown kind of vibe. Um to the point, it really is set up. I just want to credit the blocking here. It is set up like a wild west draw. Okay, you have two cowpokes uh wayne Reggie, facing off against each other. Wayne's got his back to the car, reggie's got his back to the gas and sip. And you got Del in the middle doing the look back and forth thing like inserts of her looking back and forth.

Speaker 3: 52:04

To completely accentuate, the fact that this is a Wild West drop Also, I think as we go through the rest of this scene. I got from Dell. I happen to know that I'm with the fastest gun in the West.

Speaker 2: 52:15

Yes, so, so so.

Speaker 3: 52:17

I think that plays into the whole vibe of the scene, because I know I was like um Reggie please don't get killed today.

Speaker 2: 52:26

We know what's going to happen here, right, we know Wayne is going to pull Reggie's spine out. That is what we know. We've been conditioned. The show has shown us this. Now, one wrinkle that they dropped into episode seven, which I thought was unnecessary at the time. But now that we look at it I say, okay, they knew this. They knew when you get to eight you have to have dell know that she's with the toughest person. But we as the audience have to be ahead of wayne and dell. You never want your audience to be right, um, ahead of the story, but you want. The audience has knowledge that the characters don't have. That's okay, because we saw reggie go up against that guru animal selling guy and beat his ass. It was unbelievably one-sided. And so we say reggie is not an actual pushover. Because I'm like that's why they put that in here, because if we didn't.

Speaker 3: 53:23

Yeah, we have no, there's no. Yeah, he hasn't met his potential match.

Speaker 2: 53:27

Yeah yeah, right, otherwise there's no stakes. If this is a one-sided battle, there's no stakes. So Wayne says your car. And it says fuck's asking, which is very Reggie. We got some theme music. Wayne drops his bag and makes a fist and we go to the Wayne title card. Now we know what's going to happen, chapter 8. Must have burned like hell. And this is it for Reggie. That's it. We know that, that's it. Just a matter of it being it. Reggie notices the fist and he smiles. He likes this. You know a little action in Okala. He thought he was just going to go have a regular day. Now he gets to beat somebody's ass. This is like awesome. It's like such a. He knows he's not going to lose this. This is a fucking skinny little putz. You know what I mean. He will tear this idiot apart. This is free money, right? Free groceries. And so he puts in his big smile, he laughs, he puts in his toothpick and he goes over and he pulls out like a, like D'Artagnan pulling his blade out of his scabbard.

Speaker 2: 54:40

He pulls out the I don't know what you call this thing the squeegee brush that you wipe your windshield with windshield brush out of the the squeegee brush, the thing that you wipe your windshield with windshield brush out of the water reservoir, spraying water all over the ground, and he slowly, like dope, walks up to no hurry like more of a strut. If it was Coach Beard and Coach Lasso talking to Nate they would say, yeah, it's kind of a struggle Because he's rocking his shoulders and he gets up to Wayne, right up to him, chokes up on the squeegee brush thing and puts the handle next to Wayne's neck, like as if that was a sword. You would just slice it and you would slice the person's head right. So he's got this plastic baton thing, he's holding it down by the head of it and he puts it next to Wayne, like right on his neck, and he leans in close enough to sportscaster distance, like I always say way too close right.

Speaker 3: 55:54

And what does he say, coach? And so he leans in. It's all very, very tight. And then we have clean it. And it's definitely the tough guy move. He is asserting I am the alpha in this confrontation. Yes, if I wanted to, I could kiss you, I could do anything I want. And now I'm telling you to clean it. So definitely tense moment.

Speaker 3: 56:25

And we move on from there and Wayne is making a decision. We know what this could be. He looks over at Reggie and then he takes it and he claims it. And I I knew he was going to clean it. I don't know how I knew that, but I was like he's not ready, he didn't expect the car now. He's not ready for the big move now. So the only way out of this is to clean it. So I actually I sort of found myself like okay, good, good, good, that's smart boy Wayne. I think that's what it was. It was more of me going like smart boy Wayne, you don't have to rip his spine out this exact second Like don't forget the mission. So, yeah, second, like don't forget the mission.

Speaker 2: 57:11

So yeah, so that's that. So he's cleaning it off and you can see, dell is like. I hated the fact you did call it. I heard by your noises as you watched it that you knew he was. Oh really, you're like, you're like yep, yep, okay, yeah, like you had. You knew you were not fooled. They set everything up that this was going to be a big fight and and they, they pulled back at the last second, to the the point where Adele looks around like ugh.

Speaker 3: 57:29

Yeah, like you, let this guy punk you. You can kind of see there's a disappointment. I don't know what the right word is, but she definitely. She would have been a lot more comfortable and she would have expected, at the very least, to fuck off if you clean it.

Speaker 2: 57:45

It's like watching your man be, humbled, but to the point where, when Wayne cleans it, reggie turns around and smiles at her.

Speaker 3: 57:52

Oh no, this is a whole thing, yeah, that is so.

Speaker 2: 57:57

what a fucking cock it is like. Anyway, I was like what a move. I laughed so hard when I noticed that he had looked at her as part of it.

Speaker 3: 58:11

Then the geniuses come out, the genius brigade. No way you can chug a beer in two seconds. He says, not in my mouth, which I was like oh, I've been at some wild parties, but Jesus Christ.

Speaker 2: 58:26

I want to just point out casual diversity that we talked about. There's a black friend, there's a white friend. Calvin is the whit. I want to just point out casual diversity that we talked about. Yes, you know there's a black friend, there's a white friend. Calvin is the whitest, the most disgusting man he's like. If you put in like horrible, white, maga nightmare, like a picture of Calvin comes up. You know you're just like, oh God, like he's just awful, awful.

Speaker 2: 58:48

And then Reggie I don't know Reggie. And then Reggie, I don't know. Reggie seems to have some Latino, I don't know. Like Reggie has something. He doesn't seem like just a generic white kid. So I'm like there's all this mix of different nationalities in here and cultures and so but they do it casually. I just like it's like, this is what it is. I remember the first time I went down South and I was young and I was worried about racism and stuff like that, and I remember someone from the South saying no, you guys are way more racist up there because we have black friends and because we don't notice it. We don't like it's not like we don't see color, but like we're just all in the same thing and so. But you guys would know you'd be like oh, I have a black friend, I call out my black and be like oh, I have a black friend I'm gonna call out my black friend like we don't what the fuck?

Speaker 2: 59:36

you'll never hear somebody down here say that, because we're all together in the community. You know up there, you know that, that, um, it's it's like way, way, uh, you know, more divided, whatever, and I think that's 100 true. Um, so that's why I had a black person on the show. Yeah, obviously, and so, but yeah, I do like that, it's just like, but it's like an unspoken thing they both look like fucking idiots.

Speaker 2: 1:00:00

It's not like they do the thing where the black guy kind of looks like a cool guy and the white kid looks like a dirtbag.

Speaker 3: 1:00:05

They both look like idiots. They take orders from Reggie, so you already know like okay, we're pretty far down the food chain here.

Speaker 2: 1:00:16

Right, right. So they get in the car right behind Wayne and Calvin, the dad he stops and looks at Wayne, which I just took as a general.

Speaker 3: 1:00:27

They're always looking for trouble moment, but something will come up later that makes me go. He stopped and looked at him for a reason. He doesn't even know why yet. But he was like wait a minute. So anyway, we'll come back to it.

Speaker 2: 1:00:43

There's something familiar about Wayne. He's like who is this guy?

Speaker 3: 1:00:46

So then we get the tires screeching off and dell's watching them, but they're having a very different situation. Now. What the fuck was that? Dell says because I know you didn't just let that guy push you around and he says that was my dad's car. And she responds as she should but it was hilarious. Are you fucking kidding me? That that's the car, the one that's driving away? Like she is apoplectic. It was gold. Like she's learning all this shit right now. Um, and she's.

Speaker 1: 1:01:20

Yeah, you never told me you never told me it was fucking gold, like what the fuck like.

Speaker 3: 1:01:23

She's like, really like, oh my god. Oh my god, like we're here. Like we said we were gonna go get the car and we're here and we got the car. You know um, oh my god what we're here. We said we were going to go get the car and we're here and we got the car. Oh my God, what the fuck. She keeps going back to Wayne and then going look out down the road. After it Came all the way to fucking Florida for you to let that fucking car get away. Interesting. How the hell are we going to find them now? You know what reminded me of her promotion.

Speaker 2: 1:01:47

She starts going up and down like jittery, back and forth. She's looking at the car, looking back and looking at the car it reminded me of, like those old cartoons, there's gonna be way. These are ancient cartoons. There's like a scrappy little dog and a big dog.

Speaker 2: 1:02:01

Yes, it's like hey, hey, it was like that exact energy, to the point where boss laughed just when she saw dell's like that's, like, oh my god, that's the fucking guy. It was that that kind of energy. And boss laughed out loud because it was like so funny in the moment, like wayne is so stoic and just reserved, and and she's like what? Just we were just having a good time, you know, you had sour patch kids or whatever. You're having a little coffee, you spit all of a sudden, then you back down for some reason. What's going on? And then the reveal happens and she, you know, follows it.

Speaker 3: 1:02:34

It's also fun and boss. I'd be curious if this played into it for you. We have watched Del experience quite a wide range of things and she's never seemed flustered. She may have seemed upset or unhappy, but I've never. I don't, I can't remember a moment in this show where I felt like she was. You know what do I do now? Like even being told that her mother died. So I think also that energy from her is more funny, because you watch somebody bite your father's nose off and you didn't freak out, but this took you over the edge.

Speaker 4: 1:03:16

You know she didn't get flustered when she found out her mom died. But when her mom told her to lie at the pool the beginning of that episode and she didn't know how to do it, she did get a little bit flustered not excited flustered but she was.

Speaker 3: 1:03:27

But yeah, so didn't know how to do it. She did get a little bit flustered, not excited flustered, but she was yeah.

Speaker 4: 1:03:31

So I think it might go into. You're saying coach is wrong, then no, well, obviously it's like calling out coach.

Speaker 2: 1:03:38

It's like making coach look dumb in front of everybody that listens.

Speaker 4: 1:03:41

Well, I got to lay off you sometime, but I think the point, part of what it was for me, is that this might be a situation where she feels comfortable enough having somebody else have her back, that she doesn't feel like she needs to hold everything down all the time.

Speaker 3: 1:04:00

That's a really good point. So actually, that the ability to show flustered is actually a testament to the trust.

Speaker 4: 1:04:08

Yes.

Speaker 2: 1:04:09

Yes, I get that. I didn't read it that way, but I totally get that I thought.

Speaker 2: 1:04:13

I thought she she thinks they're on a mission and the mission is right, she can get to the end of the she, we know she has reservations about the mission. The mission could be over right now. Like this second oh my god, like we're at the end, like you know what I mean that just open the chest and we'll get the gold. And. And we're like why are we? How are we going to find it? Why'd you let him go? Like you know, we're going to come to find out in this episode about the mission itself and but she at least, is amped up to finish the purported mission.

Speaker 4: 1:04:43

Well, you know I was just saying over the weekend that, from a physical perspective, anxiety and excitement register the same, that it's all entirely on how you feel about the individual thing. But your heart rate is elevated, your blood is pumping harder, you are sweating like you are reacting to something in the same way. It's just how you frame it. So she might be flustered, she might be excited, she might not be entirely sure what she feels. She knows that this is the car and her thinking is we need to get the car, while we can't, like from a practical standpoint, we don't know who these motherfuckers are. You have a postcard that seems to be gone, like before we do anything else, we need this car in order to get to the beach, and you just let the car go. So what are we doing?

Speaker 2: 1:05:36

I love that. I love that. I love how you talk about, how the feeling of anxiety and excitement. I want to point out something because you, you pants coach a minute ago. I want to give coach some credit.

Speaker 2: 1:05:50

So my daughter, just as she's in college, she had an interview. She wants to work in women's soccer. She had her very first interview of her life with a women's soccer professional soccer team soccer. She had her very first interview of her life with a women's soccer professional soccer team and and they hired her in the room and I was so fired up, we were so excited for her. So she's been working for one of these teams we're talking about that that you know plays every week and has pros and she's got a great job, um, while she's in school, like a part-time job with the team. But you know you get your foot in the door and you work your way up and do all that kind of stuff. But she had never interviewed before. She was sick. She's got a coach Bishop kind of energy.

Speaker 2: 1:06:23

As far as like anxiety, she's always nervous, um, and she killed it and then she was super anxious after that and I remember and I was like I could not, as someone who doesn't have that type of anxiety. I was like you know, this is when you celebrate, like. So I, I was like you know, this is when you celebrate. So I reached out to Coach and all my best friends, who we call her uncles, and I was like uncles assemble Let her know that it's okay to enjoy this and celebrate. And Coach said to me here's the thing, man, when it comes to anxiety, the only thing worse than not getting what you want is getting what you want, because now it just adds a whole new level of anxiety, a whole new set of anxiety, a whole new set of problems, a whole new set of shit that could go wrong.

Speaker 3: 1:07:02

I got a whole.

Speaker 2: 1:07:02

Yeah, that's crazy, yeah right, Right, and that was nuts to me. That was that's truly borderline insane to me, until I heard it. And then it was like crystal clear and I told my daughter that and she's like that's exactly what I heard it. And then it was like crystal clear and I told, I told my daughter that and she's like that's exactly what.

Speaker 2: 1:07:23

I'm experiencing. She's like I am going to try to celebrate. I really do think you have to take a minute to, you know, appreciate whatever. But, like you know, they told her you know what she's got to wear and how she's got to, where she's got to park and it's this whole new group of things and you know. So anyway, I thought it was fascinating the way that anxiety manifests itself, especially if you're looking from the outside and trying to make sense of it for someone else or your anxiety doesn't match up. It's good to be mindful of that. So, thank you, coach. That was beautiful. Love that kid. Yeah, she's a good one. She's a good one, it's going to be good. So we get Ade Del trying to say how do we find him? Wayne has an idea. He goes back in the store, into the five-star gas bar and walks out with, I believe, a receipt, right? Do you think that's what he is? That what you guys thought he did?

Speaker 3: 1:08:13

I wasn't sure. I thought receipt and then I thought you know who's not a huge fan of Reggie the guy behind the counter. I could totally see him being like oh them, here's where they went. I hope you bring trouble right along with you to them. I could 100% see that. But yes, it was a little piece of paper. It did look like a receipt.

Speaker 4: 1:08:37

Which is precisely the reason why being uh, mean indiscriminately is the worst thing you could do. So I, I am. I am in full favor of being mean when it is called for, but again, this is why I want my date to be mean to me and nice to the waitress. Because, number one, that's my jam. Number two, it also shows an actual emotional intelligence that you do not mistreat people who could bring you food just that simple.

Speaker 3: 1:09:07

I'm always amazed by that moment. What the hell are you crazy? Are you?

Speaker 2: 1:09:12

yeah, are you crazy I know I do the same thing. Are you crazy? Do you like other people's like? What are you?

Speaker 4: 1:09:19

doing yeah outside of the. They could spit in your food or do whatever else. I don't know how often wait staff actually do that, just because of how bad it could break like. You need to be pretty above and beyond an asshole in order for that to be worth it.

Speaker 2: 1:09:35

But um it's, it's not gonna stop a sneeze it's not gonna stop. I dropped this potato on the ground. There's plenty.

Speaker 4: 1:09:41

I'm just saying like it's not, I think more to the point is don't you have nice warm feelings about people who are about to bring you food, like I? I will fully admit, um, the boyfriend is sometimes accused of flirting with waitresses, or even like at the fast food place, and he's like no, I just, I just really like them, like they're giving me food. They're my favorite person for that few minutes because I'm about to eat I love that I think he's just flirting.

Speaker 2: 1:10:12

I think he's sick of you. Oh um, all right, I know we're moving through this?

Speaker 4: 1:10:17

did I tell you you about when I got, when I was jealous of the flirting? It was at a Culver's.

Speaker 2: 1:10:23

No, please, I was extremely jealous the so here's the thing, and I went.

Speaker 4: 1:10:31

We went to great America with my family my siblings, my mom doesn't go, she doesn't do roller coasters. We went to great America with my family. We went to Culver's outside of the park for lunch and the cashier was flirting, flirting. He was being nice, she was flirting, uh, and she was like, oh, and did you want the root beer float with that? And he was like, no, just a pop's, fine, it's regular. And then when they brought the food to the table, she was like, oh, I'm sorry, I accidentally included the root. I didn't charge you for it, but here's the root, so like here, that's nice, that's so nice and I was pissed.

Speaker 2: 1:11:07

I was fucking pissed, I was did you get up and throw it at her?

Speaker 4: 1:11:11

no, uh, because immediately my older sister was like are you jealous?

Speaker 1: 1:11:15

and I was like yes, of course I am and she was like I cannot believe that. Do you think that he's gonna go on a date with the cashier at?

Speaker 4: 1:11:18

the culvers that he just was like are you jealous? And I was like yes, of course I am. And she was like I cannot believe that. Do you think that he's gonna go on a date with the cashier at the culvers that he just met? And the boyfriend was like no, she is jealous that she didn't get a root beer float.

Speaker 3: 1:11:31

And I was like yes exactly right and he was right I was like what the fuck is wrong with me?

Speaker 4: 1:11:36

what's going on? I can't get cheese cur. I'm not hot enough for an extra fry. The hell, it's bullshit.

Speaker 3: 1:11:43

It's absolute bullshit. I'm being flooded by an emotion I can't even name. I mean, oh my god. I was so angry, you know, usually at some point in the story I'm like, oh, we might land over here. You landed and I was like wait, where the fuck am I? What's going on here? What the fuck happened here? I was so pissed.

Speaker 2: 1:12:03

No, that's the total boss. That's so funny.

Speaker 1: 1:12:05

Boss, listen, I know I give you a hard time. That's so goddamn funny.

Speaker 2: 1:12:07

But I want to say I want to validate this for you and say you are just hot enough to deserve a free food.

Speaker 4: 1:12:16

It doesn't make any sense to me yeah. So there's no, there's no, yeah no, it's crazy.

Speaker 2: 1:12:22

So we're somewhere in georgia and, uh, we cut to uh a butthole, tommy cole, in orlando. They're in a car, country music's playing on the stereo. Orlando, it's hysterical between the two of them. This was just uh, after the seriousness of that scene, this is just ridiculousness. Orlando goes check it those twins posted something, look, and he puts the phone. I mean, oh my God, coach, one inch from Tommy Cole's face while he's driving Like in his direct Like, not even that.

Speaker 3: 1:12:58

Like you shouldn't distract the driver, like you certainly shouldn't blindfold the driver. Like, what are you doing? But yes, it's like one inch from his nose and Tommy Cole is not very happy.

Speaker 2: 1:13:09

Hey, I'm driving and he shoves his hand out of his face. Coach yelled out loud and he's like what the fuck? Like what the?

Speaker 3: 1:13:16

fuck, that really was crazy, though. Like what the like? That really was crazy, though. Like sure, tommy Cole reacts to some things, but this one I was like, oh, I'm 100% with him. Like what the fuck are you doing so?

Speaker 2: 1:13:26

that's just crazy. And then we get a beautiful little thing. They distract you with that. So while you're laughing, they sneak in some exposition. Oh, the twins just posted from Richmond, where's that? And he says I guess somewhere around Richmond Hill. And Orlando says and that's an hour and a half drive behind us, right, well, good, that means we're that much closer to Florida. So now, thankfully, as a kindness, they say okay, I'm losing track of where everybody is.

Speaker 3: 1:13:53

Where are these guys Right?

Speaker 2: 1:13:55

Yeah, so they hook us up. Well, that good. That means we're that much closer to florida, uh, than those neanderthals. That's good, that's, that's positive. Uh, says tommy, call, we're coming for you, wayne. Orlando starts screaming we're coming for you, wayne. Out of the blue, which, after one second later, like he had just put the phone in front of his face, then he does silence to a full scream and Tommy Cole flips out again. Hey, you can't yell at the driver Like what the hell Right? And he's screaming at him Like Jesus Christ. And Orlando says geez, you know, this hospital's hashtag has got some wild shit on it, damn. He says this used to be a dude's face. Look, puts it in his face again. Like did not learn anything Like at all At all. Yeah, yeah. Now, boss, read. Can you just what does Tommy Cole say Now, the third time in what ten seconds that Orlando has rattled him in some way? What does he say?

Speaker 4: 1:15:03

get that thing out of my fucking face. I'm fucking driving Orlando. Jesus Christ, you're gonna fucking kill both of us and to which Orlando says shoot three fucks in the lord's name in vain. What's wrong with you?

Speaker 2: 1:15:18

three fucks.

Speaker 3: 1:15:19

I found that really a very specific um expression of that and I thought it was like telling us about we're gonna you know about his, about orlando's upbringing as a character because, like sure that that's what his ear was tuned to, and especially coming from an adult that he was like whoa, we are way off the rails here. Like that's what his ear was tuned to, and especially coming from an adult that he was like whoa, we are way off the rails here. Don't talk like that. I thought that was interesting.

Speaker 2: 1:15:48

Yeah, and it's enough of a thing that Tommy Cole says I'm sorry, but I'm starving. Why is nothing open? Maybe because we're in the Bible Belt on a Sunday. Orlando said nothing's open. I gotta eat soon, once my blood sugar dips. Uh, I'm just not my usual fun loving self.

Speaker 3: 1:16:06

Tommy call us I laughed out loud, I know I know, you heard me laugh on that one because I my usual fun loving self, did tickle me. Um, yeah, I thought again when sometimes we point to the mechanics of creating things, excuse me, um, for those who are writers, they'll, they'll, they'll note this. I go through life noticing some really random things and a lot of times I'm I'm filing them like oh, I can put that in a story one day. Like I remember going to shed aquarium to to shout out uh, bosses, chicago, and seeing and lights and this and that, and it was glass, mine, and I would go yeah, we should shoot in here one day. Like this is like you know.

Speaker 3: 1:16:50

And so I feel like, as they were talking about driving south and what are they gonna bump into and whatever, on a list of like shit you wouldn't guess if you haven't been, is you can't get anything on a fucking sun booze, forget it. Like you're. That's truly hit or miss. But like shit closes. I remember, um, I was in atlanta and the talking about getting groceries on easter and people were like, oh, you better check which one or which ones are open or if they're open, and me kind of needing a beat. I always celebrated Easter, but I grew up in fucking Brooklyn. They don't give a fuck. The shit's open 366 days a year. They don't give a fuck. But yeah, it's a real thing.

Speaker 2: 1:17:39

Listen, it's a different world. And if you're a European or you're from a blue state and you like just the level of Jesus on TV or the billboards where it says oh yeah, like, you cannot believe it, like you go, I do not understand, like, and it's just part of the tapestry. Now it's like how everybody lives and it's just part of the tapestry. Now it's like how everybody lives and it's just the way. But uh, it is, it is culture shock. You just cannot believe the amount of religion in your face and how and you know, listen, it doesn't. I guess I say in your face because I have a perspective on it, it's just the way.

Speaker 3: 1:18:13

But but well, yeah, I mean, I get what you're saying. I'm glad you made the distinction, because you can make the observation without a judgment. I guess what I would. What I would say, though, in addition to that, though, is how little choice you have in in, in, in behaving in ways that align with a certain religion, so like, if I'm Jewish, let's say, let's say I'm an Orthodox, say I'm an Orthodox Jew, so I can't be here from Sunday, I mean from sundown on Friday to sundown on Saturday and you close everything on fucking Sunday. You're killing me. I'm just making that up. I don't know anybody who that's happened to, but you know what I mean. Part of it too, and it being on the billboard and it being here and it being there, and if you're on the high school football team, you're going to say that kind of prayer is, I mean, whether we want to call it in your face and and that may seem like impolite or judgy there is a, there is a level of. This is how we live, period.

Speaker 2: 1:19:22

So yeah, this is how we live, period. So, yeah, well, it creates a tribal thing. It's an us versus them. So again, it's ubiquitous. And if it, you're not, you're not seeing um billboards for Allah and you're not seeing um, absolutely not for Buddha. You know, you're not. It's just one sort of thing. Um and uh, you know, uh. Orlando says listen, if you get tired, I can drive. He says you're not driving, we're not doing that. Tommy Cole's not going to have you drive. All right, look, you need a hot meal at any time of the day, guaranteed. Orlando says there's only one place for you to go. And did you guys know where he was going with that?

Speaker 3: 1:19:57

I did not but as soon as they cut to the shot of their lonely car in that uh gentlemen's club, uh parking lot, I thought, oh god yeah, yeah, they're parked in front of the diamonds, gentlemen's always I used to have a joke about that, where it's like the, the audacity of calling strip clubs gentlemen's clubs is just hilarious to me. Like pitching a tent in your khakis is the height of gentlemanly behavior. What the fuck are we talking about?

Speaker 4: 1:20:26

well, anyway, it's always the least fancy place that has the fanciest names um yes, yeah, that's a real thing. Yes, yes, yes for chicagoans of a certain age. There was a dance club downtown but I think, let like if you were 19 and up they would let you in. Uh, and it was called x caliber and it's like yeah, that's not.

Speaker 4: 1:20:49

Yeah, the sort of like I'm super glad I'm in such a fancy place where this guy's grinding his boner into my back. This is this is wearing pants that are so flammable they could light on fire by themselves, Like the cheapest polyester you could possibly find.

Speaker 3: 1:21:08

Here at Excalibur.

Speaker 4: 1:21:09

Yes, yeah, no, that's Also. I thought they were definitely going to a Waffle House, but I misread that.

Speaker 3: 1:21:15

That I specifically thought Waffle. House. It's got to be Waffle House. Which could work for the kind of story we're telling, because there's even in real life. I hear Waffle House stories and I'm like Jesus Christ.

Speaker 4: 1:21:28

I still regularly watch the clip of the brawl that broke out in the Waffle House and somebody whips a chair over the counter and the Waffle House employee catches it and sets it down but like just beside her, like plucks it out of the air and straight down it's you got to share that this is not my first time having a chair thrown at me, yeah, Like come on what the fuck yeah?

Speaker 2: 1:21:56

it's fucking incredible, completely insane. So we're in front of Diamond's Gentleman Club. I want to point out that at Diamond's, amateur night is every Monday. You can get up on stage, even if you're an amateur, and show everybody your body. I think that's good. This is a real egalitarian move by the part of Diamond's Gentleman.

Speaker 3: 1:22:16

Club you never know.

Speaker 2: 1:22:17

You never know it could be a big break. A strip club you want me to eat food in a strip club and now we get the meet cute moment where the couple doesn't like each other at first and then they find out they're a match made in heaven. Butthole. Tommy Cole says there's zero chance that I'm going in there and even less of a chance that you are. It's not funny, orlando, I told you about my blood sugar and I'm serious. I'm hungry and you bring me to a strip club and he's huffing and puffing and so he takes a big breath in through his nose. Which, what? What are those? A faint whiff coach? Ridiculous.

Speaker 3: 1:23:02

Wait, what? What are those? A faint whiff, coach, ridiculous. Wait, jesus, he goes. Jesus, are they making ribs in there? Like everything pivots, like his whole, like he. He now is looking almost adoringly at the fucking building now, like a minute ago. He's like on a rant. Are they making ribs in there? Yeah, but you just watch it happen. He's like there are ribs in there. I A pole, a pole, yeah, but you just watch it happen. He's like there are ribs in there. I don't give a shit if this kid sees all the tits in the world. That smells delicious.

Speaker 2: 1:23:28

So there we go. If you ever want to understand addiction and you don't understand it right you just play this moment with this pivot. Where he goes from there is no. Are they making ribs? I think they got a smoker going in there. He smells again. I think the strip club has a smoker, he says and he turns with a huge smile, rubs Orlando on the head Orlando goes.

Speaker 3: 1:23:52

Hey, he goes, all right, all right. Now they're celebrating. Now we're now. Not only am I not angry with you, you're a good kid.

Speaker 2: 1:24:01

Good job, buddy. Celebrating now. We're now. Not only am I not angry with you, you're a good kid. Good job, buddy, good job. And what does he say?

Speaker 3: 1:24:04

you actually laughed at this, but just real quick, we'll just go in quick, like I mean, you're taking a child to a fucking strip club, right? I don't think whether you say five minutes or 20 minutes or an hour is the issue. Yeah, what?

Speaker 2: 1:24:15

the fuck. Just one. We won't have the whole line, yeah exactly, it's a little okay, it's a little cookie, it's a little.

Speaker 4: 1:24:20

It's a little. I'm just going to drop in for a second. I would like to mention that in Chicago, illinois, one of my favorite falafel places is in the back of a jewelry store For some reason Oasis Cafe. I fucking love that you have to walk past the rings in order to get to the falafel. It's still delicious. And also one time I was driving back from Virginia and stopped in near Huntington, west Virginia. There are podcasters who I love who are originally from there. I tweeted at them what do I get for lunch? And they said get the barbecue from this gas station. And I trusted them. And they said get the barbecue from this gas station. And I trusted them and they were right. So I'm not saying that it's right to bring a child into a strip club, but there is a decent chance. The strip club has the best food in the Tri-County area.

Speaker 3: 1:25:12

I'd like to nominate. I'm not saying that it's right to bring a child into a strip club for our t-shirt line that's on the way one of these days. That's a very specific sentence.

Speaker 4: 1:25:25

That is also a very good reason. The other day, castleton said I would make a great parent and I feel like I would just put that t-shirt on and then everyone would understand how untrue that is.

Speaker 2: 1:25:40

Listen, I told you I think you would do it very differently, but I don't imagine you would be a bad grader. I can't say that.

Speaker 3: 1:25:47

I agree. Jokes aside, you would be a good mom, but I also understand that there's a non-zero chance that there's going to be one first grader making slit-your-throat jokes in class.

Speaker 4: 1:26:03

You're talking about our blood guy, the family blood guy, the family blood guy.

Speaker 3: 1:26:08

I would call my mom's blood guy.

Speaker 2: 1:26:11

So these guys end up at the. They end up at the, whatever the address that they got from the Macedon, and right away, bam, there's the car. Gotta admit it's pretty cool, holy shit. Del says Gotta admit it's pretty cool. They're looking through the window. All right, here's what we're going to do. They're leaned in looking through the passenger side window. We are looking Camera is in the driver's seat looking that direction. Through them, through the window and then to them behind them is a sort of a really depressing uh, you know, sort of a great florida-esque jason mendoza level.

Speaker 3: 1:26:50

Uh, swan jason mendoza definitely knows these guys, no question right for those of you who aren't familiar with. Jason Mendoza. That's a character from the oft-suggested Good Place, but at any rate good guy. He's from Jacksonville and he is a stone-cold idiot.

Speaker 2: 1:27:11

And so Del comes up with a plan. It's an old car so I can hotwire it. Get in the passenger side, lay low. And as she's giving this, she's got a plan. She's got it. Here's what we do, right? Wayne has turned away. He's got his back to her and she's still whispering. She's looking in the car. She doesn't see that he's turned away.

Speaker 3: 1:27:32

I love when in shows in general and probably I've mentioned shit like this a hundred times where they help us with what the characters are doing, to like get the entire dynamic, and that level of okay, here's what we're gonna do, is definitely what you do. When the characters are all together and they're lined up, it's the huddle before the caper, and imagine if you're watching oceans 11 and some guy's like oh, that's my phone, wait what? Like? We're doing the plan now, so it's visually. Then he turns, he faces away like they are officially not together anymore at this moment absolutely right, absolutely right, right.

Speaker 2: 1:28:19

It's visually it. It. It sets that right up, coach, excellent, love it. Um. And she turns. She sees we'll be out here before they can say what the fuck? And then she turns and she goes wayne and he is now looking at the party and we get an insert of those ass hats. Reggie is pulling off a bong. You got guys with socks and sandals. It's so dirty and gross. I don't mean to be talk about being judgmental, I'm not trying to be. I would be curious if it didn't look like you know, like you know, hepatitis was on every. It is. So it's such a. It's not even like a version of, like a dingy, like kid party. It's this, it's just. I don't even know. I can't process it Like, because there's like tires and heavy equipment and real shitty bent wires.

Speaker 4: 1:29:18

I feel like I need to. No shitty bent wire. Here's where I need to jump in, because this, I don't want to make this into a thing. I don't need to have a follow-up on this later, but you're sounding a little judgmental. They have a rug on the ground. I don't know how much fancier you want them to make it. They've. They've got the spool table. They're doing their best.

Speaker 2: 1:29:39

They got the same spool table Right. That is an industrial hose spool that they have turned into a table, like you do. You know what? I didn't even notice that the lovely Persian rug on the ground.

Speaker 4: 1:29:56

And to make sure that there isn't any garbage on that rug, they have a full-on metal trash can just off the side of it, so you could throw everything away like a gentleman.

Speaker 2: 1:30:07

That's a 50-gallon drum, rusty 50-gallon drum, the type that hobos poke holes in and make heat in. So, yes, it is a scene. Wayne looks at this. She's like are you listening to me? He goes, yeah, yeah, Hotwire. And he hands her his backpack and she goes what are you doing? And he just starts walking towards the group. She goes Wayne, no one knew they were there. This could have been over, right. What is happening? Right, and she knows how to hotwire, which I mean?

Speaker 2: 1:30:43

I yeah, you know what's funny is I don't know how to hotwire. You know how to hotwire?

Speaker 3: 1:30:46

I do not know how to hotwire a car. I mean, I've, theoretically, I've been, I've heard it described, but I've never.

Speaker 2: 1:31:00

Yeah, I boss. What about you? You guys? You know it's, it's, it's, uh, no, no boss in in uh middle america. They didn't uh, yeah, no, yeah, I thought, coach mitten flatbush, they may have, uh may have been a starter starter, starter class flatbush I got a cub.

Speaker 3: 1:31:14

Scout racism I had, I got a cub scout badge and racism when I grew up.

Speaker 2: 1:31:19

Um, uh, yeah, okay, all right. So, yeah, I don't know. I don't know either, but dell does and that's the thing, and I believe it. I believe bobby would have shown her. Somebody would have shown her very clearly. Um, seems like a prerequisite. You know, there's certain things you want to make sure your kids know. Some people it's algebra, some people it's uh, it's gone in 60 seconds. So but Wayne grabs a six-pack of beer, walks into the middle of the party, no less making a spectacle of himself than when he slid in in the pink suit.

Speaker 2: 1:31:50

He's like I am on display here right, pulls off one of the cans and holds it up, staring at Reggie. Off one of the cans and holds it up, staring at reggie. Now reggie is exhaling a big uh, sucked in a bunch of a bunch of weed, uh, from the bong, exhales it and kind of like looks at wayne and he's like hey, he laughs, he goes, oh shit, it's coffee boy. And wayne drops their beer and steps on, just heals, heals it and pops the beer. So they're looking at him like that's weird. No one really reacts at first, probably because they're high, um, and then he does it again after the second one. Somebody says fucker yo, what you doing with our beers.

Speaker 2: 1:32:30

Homie, like the big, the lanky white kid with gray I just love these details. There's a ton of acid wash in this scene which is near and dear to my heart. The kid that says what you doing? Homie the thin white kid. He's got the tribal tattoo around his bicep, which I just I can't love it enough. It is so painful. It is so painful. It's like they hit all these beautiful things and he's got tube socks on that are gray tube socks with a red and blue single band around the top of the blue sock and then he's got them in sandals or some kind of Coach.

Speaker 3: 1:33:12

I'm not convinced those were gray socks when he bought them Is all I'm going to say. Yeah, I think they're really dingy socks and I actually noted that it was like, wow, so we, we can, we can, we can study that later.

Speaker 2: 1:33:25

I don't want to slow us down about the dingy socks it is the kind of gray where you, where, uh, your whites are thrown in with your darks over a period of time. It does have that tinge to it too. So, yeah, um, but anyway, they step up. They. It's not reggie, it's like his, his, uh, minions are up, the same two minions that were at the gas. And step, the, the, the, the. There's a one black guy, one white guy. They got their hats askew, um, and now everyone's looking at him. Like after the first beer there were two guys at wayne's back say what's this guy doing? I don't know, man, it was very low, but you could hear it. Wayne now drops the third beer and he's just doing it for Reggie. And now four. He goes hey, you touch one more beer, I'm going to kick your ass, bro. So now four beers are. He has now popped them with his heel under his foot and Reggie now says what, what does he say under his foot? And Reggie now says what, what does he say, boss?

Speaker 4: 1:34:20

It's tea time, motherfuckers.

Speaker 2: 1:34:23

Which is what you say before you start a fight.

Speaker 4: 1:34:26

It's tea time, motherfuckers, none of it makes any sense and I thought about whether it's T-E-A or T-E-E.

Speaker 3: 1:34:35

Either way what? The fuck are we talking about?

Speaker 4: 1:34:37

Everybody knows those super badass golfers slash the British. None of it makes any sense. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:34:45

Time for Earl Grey to ride in to the rescue. But close to that, dale goes, wayne and Reggie goes. Let's get this party started. And out comes Camomile. He says come on, camomile, show them what O'Connell's all about. And out comes this giant.

Speaker 3: 1:35:10

Yeah, he's a head taller than everybody else, but he does have on a fishnet t-shirt, so I don't know what to do.

Speaker 2: 1:35:18

He got a fishnet t-shirt with a a cut-off sleeve, lumberjack um, uh like a uh plaid lumberjack shirt with the sleeves cut off, but a mesh black t-shirt he's jacked. Under it he's got the compulsory um, uh bad chain and he's like a big boy too. And he's also indistinguishable race sort of. He looks like a what is it? He's like black, but he's got that beard that has a real tight knit to it. You're like, oh is he? I don't know, it's just like this, you know again all these different sort of cultural notes. And he stands right up to wayne. Uh, reggie calls out you're fucked, you fucked up. Now coffee boy. And and wayne, undaunted, takes the fifth beer, drops it in front of camomile and heals it yeah what reggie? Yells you shouldn't have done that bitch. And Wayne just stands there. And then what happens here, coach?

Speaker 3: 1:36:22

And Camel Mile throws a right-handed haymaker and it is quite a punch. I mean he sits down on it, he turns. I mean this is he knocks the shit out of Wayne, wayne goes down.

Speaker 2: 1:36:36

I want to point out that it's the kind of punch, it's a very on this. Yes, ok, you ever watch when people throw a cricket ball. They throw it full straight arm overhead, like it's like straight up. It always feels weird to me because we also have a bent arm Right.

Speaker 2: 1:36:52

We just like in this country. But the cricket they do that that straight arm throw. This guy comes at Wayne with his swing is straight. It's almost like his fist is compelled by centripetal force. It just crushes Wayne and Wayne goes down right away. It is a huge hit.

Speaker 3: 1:37:14

Yeah, if I were going to critique Wayne's fighting style, because he's a tough kid, you don't have to let them hit you. That's not part of that's not a rule. If somebody throws a punch, they deserve to land it we learned that in the first minute of the show.

Speaker 3: 1:37:34

Anyway, he takes the shot, he goes down, he comes back up because he's Wayne. He spits blood as if whatever like this is nothing to me and he says to chamomile I never dropped your beer. This is when reggie realizes this guy might be different and he says what the fuck?

Speaker 2: 1:37:55

right, yeah, everybody was surprised that he.

Speaker 3: 1:37:56

Well, yeah, everyone's yeah, everybody thinks he's done Like this. Whatever this is, it's over, camille ended this guy. He gets back up, says he never opened his beer and then, once he got back up, I knew that beer was going into my man's face. I didn't realize he was going to swing it like that. I thought he was going to throw it.

Speaker 2: 1:38:15

Oh, so he swung it like a flail, like an old school flail. He uses the six-pack container to get force and then, underhand, chamomile, chamomile, boss, visibly cringed. I knew it was coming and I knew that.

Speaker 4: 1:38:36

That was why he kept the last one on there. I knew he was going to swing it out. Also, I understand your point to Wayne. You don't need to let them hit you. But the non-badass analogy is in Spelling Bees, when they make you spell the other person's word and then your own before you could win. He will let you take a swing and he will be strong enough that he will take it, and then he is going to hit you.

Speaker 3: 1:39:04

I got you, I give you the first one free.

Speaker 2: 1:39:06

It is a form of psychological warfare. I got you.

Speaker 3: 1:39:08

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:39:11

Yeah, no, it does freak people out. So he does this and then he steps in, he headbutts the guy to finish him off. The guy is done, but wayne headbutts him for good measure and he goes down and he stays down.

Speaker 3: 1:39:22

oh yeah it's gonna be a while they just sent their biggest, biggest boy out to.

Speaker 2: 1:39:28

This is david and goliath. Right and goliath is in the dirt and not on a fancy uh, beautiful that's right, he missed the run. So Reggie says who the fuck you think you is? And now it's on, now it's going to be everyone's about to. This is going to get real bad, because now everyone's going to swarm.

Speaker 3: 1:39:49

Did either of you think obviously, coach, you've seen it before. But when you first watched this did you start to think what is he trying to accomplish? Because Wayne doesn't do things indiscriminately, even if they're kind of crazy things to do in the abstract. So I did think here. I actually thought oh, the next person coming out that trailer is his mom.

Speaker 2: 1:40:15

Oh, I did not think that.

Speaker 3: 1:40:17

I thought he's going to make a big scene. He's making a big scene to get mom out here, so it was interesting Anyway.

Speaker 2: 1:40:26

And boss you said you did think that.

Speaker 4: 1:40:27

No, I wasn't sure what was going to happen. I didn't think that it was going to be a pile on fight, but I didn't see that coming.

Speaker 2: 1:40:34

I thought it was the stupidest fucking thing you could do, because he's way outnumbered. Even as tough as he is, he's not going to win this. So I was like this is really stupid. He's going to get swarmed over. But coach was right, out comes. Who boss? Oh my God, jaw drop. I buried the lead. I didn't tell her who plays Wayne's mom and and who who is Michaela Watkins who is phenomenal.

Speaker 4: 1:40:57

She was in trophy wife, she was in a casualty she's been in a bunch of. If you saw her you would know her. She's fucking amazing and she doesn't get nearly the credit that she should. Also, I'm a particular fan of her voice. I just like the way she sounds.

Speaker 2: 1:41:16

Me too. She is so good and she is note perfect in this show and you haven't seen uh, you have not seen the rest of what she does. Oh, my god, she is so good in this show. I cannot even everybody's good in the show. Everybody, I keep. I was looking at that opening scene in the back of the truck going, um, uh, oh my god, like ciara bra, just the looks that she gives. You know, the drool stuff, the moments, the beats. These are kids.

Speaker 2: 1:41:44

You know Mark McKenna playing Wayne from Ireland. How does he? You know? I know we've got a lot of Irish boys up in the Boston area For sure, but he just captures the spirit so well. And then you get these, these Tour de force performances michaela walkins as maureen mcdulty and I'm very, very, very excited to talk about it. Um, we're going to leave it there for today. Um, this is so much fun. Uh, this whole. I love this episode so much. I'm sort of impressed, coach. I did not know that you. It's funny when he goes for the car or whatever. I never thought he's trying to get close to his mom yeah, no, no, no.

Speaker 3: 1:42:30

I didn't think it until then, but I was like what's with the beard? Like it just was such a like creating a scene. It was like it wasn't even just I want to fight you, it was I want to create a scene. It was like it wasn't even just I want to fight you, it was I want to create a scene. I was like why is he? I think that's what made me go like why is he creating a scene?

Speaker 2: 1:42:47

and and yeah, I was never even aware that his mom was there. It's funny like his mom was off my radar, oh really until she came out. Oh yeah, no, I was like it's the car, it's fighting, it's everything. I just had totally forgotten that his mom was a player.

Speaker 3: 1:43:00

I think, because for me there was something extra gross and worthy of revenge of sending those postcards with the mom and the car in it. I remember thinking like there's no more, like toxic male. I won, you lost. Then I took your car and I took your motherfucking wife. God damn, either one of those is reason for revenge, but both are shit. And to keep sending the postcards I think it was kind of tied into me that that was going to be a big deal in this story.

Speaker 2: 1:43:34

Yeah, and it's also nice that in this day and age we treat women as possessions. Yeah, of course. Clearly, it's one of the shows on television where we rank women. There's the SNL sketch with Kenan Is that right, I haven't seen that.

Speaker 3: 1:43:47

That's funny he goes.

Speaker 2: 1:43:48

It's like the Miss Universe. He's like welcome to the Miss Universe pageant. One of a number of shows where we still rank women. That's great, and you're like, oh my God, so brutal. Okay, we're going to pick it up here on the next episode, that'll be Wayne, episode 8, part 2. Must have burned like hell, boss. Where can people find you? If they want to find you, you go first today, boss.

Speaker 4: 1:44:10

Huzzah, because women are ranked first, you can find me. Blue Sky is Emily Chambers, threads is emilychambers.31, and I did post the Waffle House clip in the community site, so I would recommend you check that out so that you can see it also.

Speaker 2: 1:44:27

It's a lot of fun, but seriously, the clip is hilarious yeah, and I've been posting, like when we talk about little things or scenes that I like. I've been putting them in the Wayne channel inside our community site. I've just been taking little screen caps and putting them there. I'm going to put in the one where Reggie's staring at the back of Wayne's head at the convenience store for no reason. I just like the shot. Coach, where can people find you if they want to?

Speaker 3: 1:44:56

find you. Come through wealignalignpcom. We're making changes and building things up and getting community together Very excited, so come on through, check us out.

Speaker 2: 1:45:10

Okay, thanks everybody. Thanks for joining us. We really appreciate it. Please buy the book Hits, flops and Other Illusions by Ed Zwick. I've mentioned him back-to-back on two episodes. At least we can do is try to throw some love at his book, which is really good, legitimately good, and a lot of people are reading it and everybody's enjoying it and I know I've just gotten a lot of great insight from it. And it's his perspective. But I don't know. There's something very human about the man and he owns his mistakes and I really like like that is really in the vein of Ted Lasso and growth and always trying to strive to be better. Two of us in this podcast do that all the time. One of us doesn't need to. You know, there you go, thank you, thank you. I appreciate you saying that. Please support your local libraries and the written word and until next time we remain.

Speaker 2: 1:46:05

Richmond till we die Awesome, okay, great. Michaela Watkins and her fake die here next time on the podcast. Thanks everybody, we'll see you next time.