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The Tedcast is a deep dive podcast exploring the masterpieces that are Ted Lasso on Apple TV+ and Wayne on YouTube.
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WAYNE ON YOUTUBE
The Tedcast is a deep dive podcast exploring the masterpieces that are Ted Lasso on Apple TV+ and Wayne on YouTube.
Sponsored by Pajiba and The Antagonist, join Boss Emily Chambers and Coaches Bishop and Castleton as they ruminate on all things AFC Richmond.
Boss Emily Chambers
Coach Bishop
Coach Castleton
BECOME A SUPPORTER OF THE SHOW TODAY!
ARE YOU READY TO GET SOME LIFE-CHANGING COACHING OF YOUR OWN? BOOK A FREE 15 MINUTE SESSION RIGHT NOW!
Producer: Thor Benander
Producer: Dustin Rowles
Producer: Dan Hamamura
Producer: Seth Freilich
Editor: Luke Morey
Opening Theme: Andrew Chanley
Opening Intro: Timothy Durant
MORE FROM COACH BISHOP:
Studioworks: Coach Bishop
Unstuck AF: Coach Bishop's own podcast
Align Performance: Coach Bishop's company
MORE FROM THE ANTAGONIST:
Mind Muscle with Simon de Veer - Join professional "trainer to the stars" Simon de Veer as he takes you through the history, science and philosophy of all the fads and trends of modern health and fitness.
Welcome to our Ted Lasso Talk, the Tedcast. Welcome all Greyhound fans, welcome all you sinners from the dog track and all the AFC Richmond fans around the world. It's the Lasso Way around these parts with Coach, coach and Boss, without further ado, coach Castleton.
Speaker 2:Okay, welcome back, beautiful people. Today we are discussing Wayne, episode 8, must have Burned Like Hell. This is part two of our discussion. I am your host, coach Castleton. With me, as always, is Coach Bishop.
Speaker 3:Hey, it's Coffee Boy yeah.
Speaker 2:Hey, it's Coffee Boy. Yeah, that's the. I love that moment. We're going to pick it up right there. Before we do, I'll say Hello to our boss, emily Chambers.
Speaker 4:And I will Quickly say that Noah Wiley Is doing Another show on HBO called the Pit. It's a medical drama with Two of the producers from ER, so I'd like to personally thank Him for, as Dr John Carter uh ushering in puberty when I was 13 and now returning when I am 43 to guide me through menopause. He is the most consistent man in my life and I would like to thank him for that.
Speaker 3:That is both those borderline. Sweet, hilarious. It was a lot of things, things. It was a lot wrapped into that.
Speaker 4:I'm happy for you and for noah.
Speaker 3:Um, yeah, that was that was beautiful.
Speaker 2:There you go hey, thank you I don't know if there's a more adorable male performance, and I wish this had rubbed off on the media. Uh, at large, you know, we we talk a lot about how there's no great male role models in popular media that aren't wearing a cape, but his performance in A Few Good Men is literally oh yeah.
Speaker 4:He's a tiny, tiny little baby, tiny little part.
Speaker 3:Tiny little part, tiny little baby. I just followed everybody else through the mess hall.
Speaker 4:It's a tiny, tiny little baby. Tiny little part. Yeah, yeah, it's great. Tiny little part, tiny little baby, sir.
Speaker 3:Yeah he's got a little baby face. I just followed everybody else through the mess hall.
Speaker 2:Whatever he says yes, yeah, it's great. Well, you're not going to find it in that book, sir? Oh no, that was great, right, look it.
Speaker 3:We all yeah, that's kind of amazing. We've never as far as I know, we've never discussed this before and we all know exactly what you're talking about and exactly like the contents of the you know, yeah it was great.
Speaker 2:Well, I love it, and that's way too nice for you, boss, so I hate to break it to you, but we might be rubbing off on you. We might be rubbing off on you.
Speaker 4:Well, I mean, if anything, Noah Wiley would be rubbing off on you. Well, I mean, if anything, no wiley would be rubbing off on me in this situation. Ideally, so I do I like, so I I will say it. It just so happened that if you were a nerdy girl in the early 90s there were not a lot of, a lot of crush options. Like I wasn't interested in zach morris and like even I knew that um, ensign Crusher from Star Trek TNG was a little too dorky for me and I couldn't quite get there with Scott Bakula because he was too much of a man. So John Carter was like nerdy and a man, but very boyish, like it was just the perfect age, perfect, absolutely Knocked me off my ass how much I loved him. He was phenomenal. So, and the love lives on I love, I, I'm processing.
Speaker 2:My brain is going like mach six, trying to process like the, the spectrum from wesley crusher to Quantum Leap's, scott Bakula, correct, and then the needle sort of going in between and finding ER's. Dr John Carter.
Speaker 1:Noah.
Speaker 2:Wiley.
Speaker 3:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:Wow, wow.
Speaker 3:Wow.
Speaker 4:It was very fortunate. It could have gone a lot of bad ways, but ER really came through for me.
Speaker 2:Well, I'm really happy, happy to hear that it's made you the person that we know and love today. Boss, listen, I want to. I'm going to do something that's a departure for the show. I very rarely do this, but I wanted to say thank you. We've done one million episodes. I think One million and one, one million and two. We're up there. We've done a lot of I think 1 million and 1, 1 million and 2. We're up there. We've done a lot of episodes. We do them for 11 hours each and I asked a couple episodes ago. I said, listen, if you can't subscribe, if you can't, you don't have the money. Everybody's hurting for cash. We totally get that. None of us are exactly rolling in it, except for Coach, who drives a Tesla which is made by Elon Musk, and you knock it off. It's all right. Listen, I get it.
Speaker 2:I get it Like you bought it before we knew that he was you know whatever, before we knew he was crazy, yeah, and so I just like to needle Coach about that. But realistically, you know, I've had this thesis, I've said this many times in the show I think things are harder than people think they are. I think people are really still trying in some way to recover from a pandemic that everybody glossed over and no one actually took any systemic action on, actually took any systemic action on. Uh, juliana will say, to say she'll categorize it, to say the world fundamentally shifted at that time and everybody pretends it didn't. They just want to go back to drive, to work, a hundred percent, you know, but it's shit, it's over, it's shit like one cat is out of the bag, hundred, 100%, right.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's wild that everybody's like, oh, moving on, I'm like, oh, so we're going to pretend that a nuclear bomb didn't land in the middle of our like figurative existence. Okay, sure, all right, let's um, all right.
Speaker 2:Great, yeah, what's for breakfast? It's hit things in many more ways than people realize. Yet you know, as someone who you know we're, we're connected to the entertainment industry and they made less material, less scripted work in 2023 than they did in 2022. And that a lot of that has to do with everybody's freaked out about the, about the writer's strike and the new agreements. Producers don't know how to. You know things they can afford. You know it's like this crazy. Of course they can. It's like 0.0% of their income, but everybody's very gun shy. Nobody wants to take the first. I think there was only one TV show in production in New York.
Speaker 3:Oh, the entertainment industry right now is not okay like it is not every writer I know is not okay yeah, like seriously, like people are talking about it and it is real and and we both know enough people that it's like well, this can't be a coincidence, like it's just all my friends are fucking unimportant. Like it's not good and I think you're, I think you're right that transfers to so much more of of our existence that like, think about how much we talk about 9-11 and we still talk about, oh, 9-11, oh blah, blah. I was here, you were there. Oh, like I contact all my friends who had anybody who they lost. You know what I mean, yeah, and then multiply that by some number. I can't just snatch out of the air right now, from 3 000 people to how many dying. That's it, that's just the dying million yeah that's not just.
Speaker 3:That's not the teenager curled up in a ball in their room freaking out. That's not the parent who, like, said if you don't get me out of this fucking apartment, I'm gonna, you know, I mean, let's not deal with any of that stuff, I'm just talking about death. And we just haven't done it. No, no.
Speaker 2:You haven't done it. And then you have this collective anticipatory trauma about the upcoming election and the stupid media trying to make it a horse race, when it's not a fucking horse race, whatever. The whole thing makes me crazy, um, and and in the middle of that I said listen, I get that people can't afford subscriptions. Um, we've never, for what it's worth it's neither here nor there. We've never made a dime. The subscriptions we do get, um, don't cover our costs. So it's, it's, uh, something that we do because we love to do it and we hope that we've connected with some people along the way, and that is really the. The goal of the podcast is to hopefully put something better in the world. We, we all have things we could be doing, that people who listen all of our listeners, all of our buttercups have other things they could do and listen to. But I said, listen, if you can't subscribe, I totally get it, please, at least you know, you know. Oh, I mean subscribe. What I meant by subscribe was, if you can't support the show by becoming a paid subscriber, then you know, click the subscribe button, click the like, but all the things you can do on your own, and every once in a while we'll get a real nasty review. And I'm not one of those people that I don't let oh, I don't tell boss or coach, I don't let them read the reviews, I don't forward them the bad reviews or typically good reviews because usually they sort of balance out and I and I so I just think, okay, well, you know we're not going to appeal to everybody. I totally get that the world is full of all kinds of diverse people and we might not be. You know we're not going to appeal to everybody. I totally get that the world is full of all kinds of diverse people and we might not be. You know everybody's flavor. But I just when people do review, when people take the time out of their busy day to actually write something, it really means the world to me.
Speaker 2:And I wanted to read you a review that came in the other day. It was from somebody named Wolf3594. This is the username. It says United States, the header of. Actually, before I tell you the header, I want to tell you that usually what happens is even people when they give like fantastic reviews, like oh, five-star review, there's always this caveat. It's like but I wish, I wish coach Castleton would, would shut the fuck up. But everybody else is really, you know, like, I love you know, whatever, whatever it is is that kind of thing. And so I read this anticipating that type of thing, and you'll hear the moment where it's like oh, is this the asterisk? The. It's like oh, is this the asterisk? Um, the. It's a five star review from wolf three, five, nine four. It says phenomenal and fun conversations.
Speaker 2:Um, I found this podcast after I had already watched all three Ted Lasso seasons three times and wanted more Ted Lasso. I love these three people and I think they have some great thoughts and I love their banter. The only thing really sad for me here we go is coach bishop won't shut the fuck up. No, this says this is where I like braced for impact. The only thing really sad for me is that I have finished binge listening to all the episodes and I'm current and now I need to wait for the next episode. Anyway, this, this is all just reading the review. This podcast has put almost all of the other podcasts seven on hold because I can't get enough of the discussion and these three plus the guests. Maybe I should become a buttercup to continue the discussion even more. Overall, it's a great podcast that has some interesting thoughts and discussions and I highly recommend listening to every episode.
Speaker 2:Um, this is from wolf 3594.
Speaker 2:I'm I'm like uh, trying not to get misty. I know you think this shouldn't affect you. It shouldn't, it shouldn't matter, but wolf 3594, this is someone who has listened to every word of uh, there's a lot of, there's a lot of hours in this podcast and, and if that is the um, that's the net result of that then, that that we couldn't ask for a more, uh, you know, a bigger success. And, and I'll say this wolf 3594, you are a buttercup. You are already a buttercup and you don't need to pay to become a buttercup, and nor does anybody else who, um, um, you know, has done this journey and um and uh, if you've gone through all of these hours with us and you still like us, a lot of people got sick of us and they, yeah, you know what Fuck these guys? They don't talk. They talk about themselves too much, or they, you know, I I wanted more inside baseball, about the show, whatever, but if you're one of the many people who are still listening, you are a buttercup already.
Speaker 2:I just want to be crystal clear about this. You click on my name in the link of the show or bosses or coaches, but mine's the easiest way because they're just going to forward it to me and I will send you a link and you join the buttercups. And it's not meant to be restrictive. It was meant to be an incentive, like, okay, the people that are going to pay are probably the people that want to pay and want to be there, but that doesn't necessarily mean they're the only people that should be there. So I just want to say it really meant the world to me to read that, wolf3594, whoever you are out there, we are people, we're humans, and it feels good to be appreciated and have nice things said about us.
Speaker 3:And I just want to say thank you Two things to just sprinkle on there. And I do appreciate that review and I know you'll be hearing this because you're all caught up, so you're gonna hear this pretty soon. Um, I really appreciate the connection that you put into that, uh, into that review. Wolf, I don't. I'm not gonna remember the numbers, but I I just that, for that's all of it. And when people make contact and say, oh, you made this point, or boss said this, or I'm totally with Coach Castleton on that, that's probably the least. Yeah, no one ever says that Theoretically someone could Someday.
Speaker 1:Here's hoping, hold on brother, keep hoping, keep hoping, hold on brother.
Speaker 3:Keep open eyes. But that for me, like that is my fuel, like knowing, like connecting with people, connecting on ideas and that kind of thing. So, just so, thank you for that piece. The other piece is I adore Coach for everything he just said about you being a buttercup, and it's true, and it's right, and we've all discussed it, we all agree and that's fantastic. Also, I want you to realize that Coach is running.
Speaker 3:What I have decided is the anti-scam. See, usually when somebody runs a scam, they take your money and they give you nothing, right, and that's the scam. But what Coach does is doesn't take your money and gives you millions of hours of content. I'm not sure where he learned that this is a thing, but he is running the world's first anti-scam. And so if you could help this poor, poor man with the giant heart out and help us just be able to pay to do this thing we love to do and you love to have in your notifications, just please help us out. But I agree totally, it's all in. We are inclusive versus exclusive and I agree with it totally. But he takes it on the chin financially and so anyone who can help to block that shot a little bit, I know that it's appreciated and it's appreciated by me.
Speaker 4:I've been nodding along because I'm really great at doing an audio medium, so I would like to agree with everything said and also thank you, and also thank Castleton, for reading through all the reviews. I don't I learned during my writing days don't read the comments. It's just not good. So if there's any hate mail in there, you're going to have to work harder to get it to me. You're like I didn't see it there. I'm sorry. Um, so thank you for all that and uh, we'll, yes, join the community. I need to get back in the community. We'll talk about this again at the end, but, um, yeah, it's fun and I need to be there more. And as soon as tax season is over, it's going to be great. You guys won't believe the party we're going to throw after taxes are finished. It's going to be phenomenal.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, Accountants are known for heady days of partying with you know every time every time we discuss uh, there's, there've been several times.
Speaker 2:Thank you, coach, by the way, for that. That's very nice. Yeah, you know me, I don't care about money, I should care more. It makes it tough on my family sometimes, because it would be nice if I had a real income to work off of. But yeah, when boss talks about from an accounting perspective, she's like, yeah, this is not a viable entity. Every time she talks, she's like yeah, you're, this is not a viable entity. Every time she's, she's always oh, jesus christ, oh jesus, you're right. No, no, I just spilled my coffee. That's so funny. Oh, no, no, it's, it's so funny, that was I was.
Speaker 4:I'm sorry I shouldn't be laughing. No, no, it's totally funny.
Speaker 2:I, I, um, it's hysterical because I was just, I was talking with my hands like like an Italian, and I caught my microphone in my pinky finger and then, uh, knocked everything around. It doesn't matter, um, what I was saying was um, every time boss makes fun of somebody for running a business, that's not a viable business. Uh, I, all of those things apply to how, how we run our finances here. So I hear it and I know, but anyway, it's for love of the game and I'm going to clean up a little bit here while we move merrily along into the future. Anyway, go ahead, boss.
Speaker 4:If it helps at all. Castleton, I would never make fun of you for how you run your finances, because I am pretty sure they cannot go faster than a walk. So that is a promise to you I will never make that explicit joke.
Speaker 2:That was so awful.
Speaker 3:If I'm tracking that properly, if I'm tracking that properly, if I'm tracking that properly.
Speaker 2:If I'm tracking that properly. That was a run-don't-walk joke about finances. I meant that they move slow.
Speaker 4:Is that not what you were trying to say?
Speaker 2:No, that's it. There's nothing all that exciting about my finances. There shouldn't be.
Speaker 4:You've got to put your money into a savings account and you've got to leave it there.
Speaker 2:Oh my God.
Speaker 4:This is why I'm an accountant and not a financial advisor.
Speaker 5:Oh no no.
Speaker 1:That's good.
Speaker 2:When.
Speaker 3:I get some money, boss. That's what Warren Buffett did right here.
Speaker 4:Exactly. That's why you know him as the safest man in the country there you go.
Speaker 2:So I have like sensory issues, which is why I wince when boss laughs. That's not true, I hate. So when I just spilled this cup, full cup of coffees but I got a little bit left, though I saved a little bit, but then I get like a little yeah, you gotta go wash up no, I'm okay, I got some water. Here I'm gonna, I'm just gonna do like a again. We talk about terms and I I'm the other day. We for those listening. We look, oh shit, it's on the floor too. God damn it.
Speaker 3:This is amazing. This has to stay in. It's off the rails.
Speaker 2:No, no, listen. I went to push my chair back and my foot slipped. I have one of those chair mats so it slipped, so it didn't get on the floor. Anyway, we looked up the word. I know boss is shaking her head. We looked up the word palooka because I was like, oh man, that sounds like something that could be, and it was just like named after a boxer from the 20s or something right.
Speaker 2:so I was like, oh okay, and then I said, all right, I'm gonna do a little little uh cleanup here, and the term that came into my mind again I don't always have proper terms I'm that was whore's bath. Oh, that doesn't seem as likely to have a good meaning as, say, a boxer from the movie.
Speaker 1:Yeah, have you heard?
Speaker 2:that term. I heard it to mean like, oh, you don't have a thing and you do a quick wash up.
Speaker 3:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's not like you don't have a shower and you do a quick wash up. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's not like you don't have a shower. I have heard that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I have heard that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like there's other terms for it, but that's the one I have absorbed from the worst elements of my family. And so there you go.
Speaker 4:Well, for a while, I believe so I definitely have heard that term. Okay, a while, I believe, so I definitely have heard that term okay, um, for a while I think that, uh, the better version of that was supposed to be a french bath, which, sorry france, I didn't. I didn't come up with it and I didn't oh, it is time for the flunch bath I love, but I have heard it I love so much class here.
Speaker 4:Sorry, france sorry, france, um, but then as I got older I think, when was it college One of my roommates who didn't want to refer to it as either of those things, just called it a pits and privates wash. Oh, Because you just get those specific areas and then you're good to go, pits and privates, I mean.
Speaker 3:And now everything's good as far. We've got clarity, We've got alliteration. I'm, I'm, I'm saying you know, everyone should go whatever direction they choose, but that's pretty good. Pits and privates I got to say that's pretty solid, that's pretty solid naming.
Speaker 2:I feel like uh go ahead boss.
Speaker 4:Well, white people never wash their legs and we're basically always doing pits and privates and that's a thing where I was like what is that about?
Speaker 3:we'll we have to? I don't know. At some point.
Speaker 4:I don't know. Plus, I don't want to know. I don't want to know how anybody washes themselves ever. What's the deal with?
Speaker 2:people in the shower but wayne.
Speaker 3:How did this become a topic? How did this become a thing?
Speaker 2:sorry, you know, said you could eat off my chest. Like I scrub my chest, like like I forget it was a steinfeld, it was. Somebody was like I have to clean it, like I start there and then I scrub, I get it, I get like a nice foam and, man, my chest is good. And then it's like like my chest, which is never dirty is a place where I really focus right listen, this is a. This is a. This is a. Okay, god damn it. We have not started the show, but no we haven't one idiot spilled fucking liquid all over himself.
Speaker 2:But but here's. Here's the thing on. I'm not a big fan of the show friends. It's not like I was not a friends person, I was not whatever. I don't dislike it, I just.
Speaker 2:I think I liked it the first season, then immediately checked out for some like came way back and and went punk rock and just said, uh, yeah, this is not my jam, um, but there was this great line with joey and chan. I don't remember what season it was, but I remember thinking all these years later was one of my favorite lines on television because of the way it used like a, an unspoken knowledge that we all have. So and I don't know that this is. We're going to test that. We're going to test the theory right now. But I was joey and chandler. Joey and chandler were the two roommates right? Were they roommates? That's correct, correct? Okay, good, I just made sure I got the guys right. They were having some sort of altercation and said something like joking, playful, whatever. And Joey says to Chandler it was about the shower or something he's like hey, whatever, I will shower before you. And just keep in mind we know what. I wash last and you wash first.
Speaker 3:I just hit enter because you started it and I said I know exactly what he's about to say because I remember that joke and I remember thinking that is one of the funniest lines I've ever heard on TV and I just put it in the chat because I was like that's going to sound like bullshit. But if you look at the chat right now, I'm looking at it right now, I'm looking at the chat. First place for soap.
Speaker 3:We have oh my God, I knew it as soon as you said there was this line, because I remember cackling, laughing Like that is going to haunt Chandler. For the rest, of his days.
Speaker 2:I think about that a lot. I'm still wiping the floor while I'm this is so funny.
Speaker 2:If the sound sounds weird, it's because I've stepped away from the mic a little bit. Oh dear God. But what I was going to say was that that line is so good because they Chandler makes a face like a moment. He had like a reaction shot, like oh, but I think about that line once a month, once a couple. That's funny, like if I soap every day. I think no more than that, probably. I'm like because I'm like what? Because it's the it was. So we got to find out who wrote it. We're gonna have to look it up and see who's the writer that actually wrote that line, because it was like really like almost arrogantly brave of a line to say you know what I mean. It's like I'm not even gonna. There's no button to it, there's no like there's no one that spells it out for the audience, which is like what they do on network TV. They just let it hang there. And it's been hanging for what? 25, 30 years however long I.
Speaker 4:I, so I know for a fact the writer of that commercial uh, or sorry, the writer of that line, um was was an advertiser for big body wash, because this is not an issue when you use body wash and a washcloth, like you're supposed to, if you don't use bar soap, which dries out your skin and which is not great for you other than the hands which you could put lotion onto immediately. I have never thought about that line, because I have never once had to wear that.
Speaker 3:It's not my own experience because I'm with you. It's a big washcloth. I've moved to a loofah sponge which I feel is just, like you know, same idea. So, yeah, I don't do a lot of like bar soap contact, but yes, the first time.
Speaker 4:The first time you find a pube in a bar of soap and you know it's not yours you're done with bar of soap after that. Now you're finished.
Speaker 3:Even if said pubes are pubes with which you come into contact.
Speaker 1:It's not just like oh, this is like a public bath now.
Speaker 3:No, it doesn't matter. Yeah, no, I don't want to encounter them here.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, no, I don't want to encounter them here. Yeah yeah, there are always some like I will drink out of a glass that somebody that I am close with has taken a drink out of. I can't use the same toothbrush, like that's weird, that's unacceptable. I know that it's the same mouth germs. I understand it, but no, this is for cleaning. When you're cleaning, you can't be thinking about other people's mouth germs.
Speaker 3:You have that in common with Daphne In our early days I remember being like just use my toothbrush then, and her looking at me like this could be the end of us. Be careful what you say next.
Speaker 4:That's like there's a difference between like you put your lips on somebody's lips and like you take a tool and you rub it along the food in the back of your teeth and then you hand it to your loved one and you're like now you do it, but you don't leave the food on it.
Speaker 2:You know what this is. You have entirely pissed in the punch here with this whole line.
Speaker 4:No, I piss in the shower, which is, I thought, what the joke was going to be. I definitely do that, but I live alone. I miss in the shower, which is.
Speaker 2:I thought what the joke was going to be.
Speaker 3:I definitely do that, but.
Speaker 2:I live alone, so I'm allowed to. Oh my God, when are the rails? Does anybody know where the rails are? It's such a bad episode. I am soaked. This is great. This is chaos episode. I kind of like it.
Speaker 3:Oh my God, this is like when you have all the leftovers out of the fridge for dinner, Like you're just like fuck it. We got a bar of soap, we got food scraping. What do you got? What else you got?
Speaker 2:This is a long, long time, coach, and I have talked about this. Like black people wondering where the washcloths are in the white showers. Like, coach, I told you. People wondering why, where, the where the washcloths are in the white showers, like what like. But it's coach this a little, I told you, when you go to racism camp, uh, as a, as a, you know, in elementary school, as a white person, they teach you how to use a bar of soap and what you do is you lather it up, you get it.
Speaker 2:You go like this you get all the got it he's working between his hands for those of you yeah, yeah, yeah, you really lather it up and you get the corners rubbed off, so it's nice like a little thing, and then what you do is put it right in your butt and just tap it up and then you spit it out and you come out clean as a whistle. And that's how white people do it. Culturally it's superior. I mean, who am I to say?
Speaker 3:Western civilization.
Speaker 2:That's how all white people do it, unless they use gel or whatever. The fuck boss ruined the party with.
Speaker 4:I clearly said. Wash Gel also dries out your skin, as I've discussed before. I just like dunk myself in the lotion as soon as I get out of the tub, like that's I'm so dry I have. I have lotion in four different rooms of my house and my house has five rooms. That is. That is a true thing wow, that's impressive okay, yeah, this is why I'm serious. I don't put bars of soap up my ass, I'm just going to go on the record and say that.
Speaker 2:It's not for me. You're lost and a dirty ass.
Speaker 3:When we promote the show. That should definitely be the quote. I don't put bars of soap up my ass.
Speaker 2:We got to have her in like a real, like a gray blazer. Right right right, like a school marmy kind of appearance.
Speaker 4:I don't put bars of soap up my ass, I feel like Wolf is gonna be really excited that he was associated, so they were associated so closely with this episode.
Speaker 3:They shout me out and it's in the middle of this fucking chaos.
Speaker 4:Oh, that's so nice that they said my name. What did they just say about a bar of soda, fuck.
Speaker 2:All right, Wayne episode eight Wolf 3594 has just amended their review In real time.
Speaker 3:We haven't even released that he just felt it.
Speaker 1:Like, oh, oh.
Speaker 3:I know I decided Wolf had to be a guy that's not no, there's a great disturbance in the forest.
Speaker 2:Um, okay, we are, we are. Today is wayne. Episode eight must have burned like hell. We started out last time with part one. We got to the point where, um way, wayne absolutely just destroys chamomile, chamomile, chamomile.
Speaker 4:I don't think that's how you are supposed to pronounce it Chamomile.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I've always said chamomile. Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 3:I did kind of clock like wait, what did he just say? You're right.
Speaker 2:And then what happened? He goes down after Wayne headbutts him and then you get this like I just love. So again, I talked about the actor who plays Reggie, and that is Francesco Antonio. He gets up and he says you know, it's like as if it was written by the bard himself. You know this is. You can imagine Prospero saying this in the Tempest. Who the fuck do you think you is? Although, listen for people that know Shakespeare if you're around today, he probably would write. He did not.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah. People act like it was always this highbrow thing, and that is absolutely not what it was, but anyway, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2:He knew how to captivate a crowd who the fuck you think you is, which is great, and I just love the framing of this shot. He runs up, pushes through the two nitwit guys that we called out last time and, real slow, puts his toothpick in his mouth and it's like okay, this shit's on. I also thought have we seen wayne? And I think I know the answer, but you guys can correct me have we ever seen him? Not either bloodied, healing with wounds, with with bruises and and healing cuts, or some version of of laceration on his face or or that sort of thing like have we ever seen him? Like from the very start, maybe the first bike ride before he let that guy hit him?
Speaker 2:right, but boss wisely called out listen, dude, you don't have to always take the first shot and we we mentioned well, that's a way of psyching out your opponent because you can take their best shot like that. You know that puts people on their heels, but we've never seen him and it shows you're a badass. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we've never seen him not banged up, right, he always has cuts.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I was thinking about it. I can't imagine, when you know what I mean. Like, as I'm going back through the series, I'm like, yep, he had that fight, that this went down and that. Yeah, I think you're right.
Speaker 2:He doesn't have run-of-the-mill like shove fights.
Speaker 2:Like you know, like you know, we're growing up me and Coach in a time where it was hard to not get in some fight one way or another, like it was a different era, but like half of them were, you know, wrestling and pushing and right, it wasn't like, it wasn't like cam a mile doing that, that full hay make side haymaker, like he threw his hips into it, like like he got sammy sosa hips right, it was just all his whole body behind that one straight armed punch, the weirdest punch I've ever seen, and wayne goes down and that's on his face.
Speaker 4:man, what, what boss is laughing, jesus christ yeah, no, I'm remembering it might have been a crack dot com article from years ago about things that people are great in in the movies that never happen in real life, and the guy writing it was rightly points out that in movies, fights are always very slick and cool and everybody knows how to throw a punch and when to throw a punch, so that it comes off as like you're not accidentally punching them in their ear, like you are just hitting them in the face, and it's connecting and they're like the people who know how to fight very well and are very good at fighting.
Speaker 4:in real life we call them criminals. Like in real life you are not a guy from an office who knows how to throw a punch on the weekends. Like the very first fight in fight club, I think actually edward norton does punch brad Brad Pitt and hits him in the ear and he says, oh fuck, you got my ear and I was like that's the most realistic fight I've ever seen in my life. Like in real life that you just like throwing hands everywhere. None of them are connecting. You kind of look like an idiot Fights are never good, ok, ok.
Speaker 2:Now I want to explain something to you, boss never good, okay, okay, now I want to explain something to you, boss, while you were doing this and you're 100 right about all that I want to, I want to point out what a arrogant, miserable son of a bitch come on, coach is, because he he was, he was humoring you because he's like, but I know how to throw a punch.
Speaker 4:Oh Listen, if you have taken boxing absolutely.
Speaker 2:He's a boxer, but he knew how to throw a punch.
Speaker 3:But you're right. But the point remains you ever hit anybody in the air coach with a punch?
Speaker 4:I mean I'm sure, sure I was a little kid or something, but yeah exactly I think, I think, I think that that that's what I'm like, even in, even when you watch boxing and these are also two athletes that know how right I don't want to call it a game, but like they know when to punch and when to block, like you know when to do that stuff, and it's still never as badass as the movies no it's never actually that slick.
Speaker 4:It's always a little bit weird and like you throw a couple jabs and then you back off and like, yeah, nobody had a whole thing about how, when he his whole and this is in the movie, so it kind of blurs what the.
Speaker 3:I think you're right about your point, though, and he said, like the whole thing with bruce lee was like he punched a guy to stand there and look really cool, and that Jackie Chan's whole thing was he'd punch a guy and then he'd be like ah, yes yes, because it hurts your fucking hand.
Speaker 2:It hurts your hand. Yeah, Just bang your hand into somebody's skull.
Speaker 3:Yes, yeah, so anyway. But yes, the point remains.
Speaker 2:Coach is like hey, man, I don't aim for the nose. Coach is like hey man, I don't aim for the nose, I aim for the back of the head, that's actually true.
Speaker 3:Don't punch to him, punch through him.
Speaker 2:Coach can't help. The coach Can't help it. Oh my god. So this happens. We get a beautiful shot. I love Reggie. I mean, I hate Reggie. I mean I hate Reggie, hate the character Reggie. Right, he's nauseating, but my God, what a fun character to play. And you know Francesco and Tony, he just just just revels in it. He enjoys the shit out of it. It's almost. It's almost a character where you can't go over the top because he is so objectively stupid. You just know whatever he says is part of his ethos, because he's a legitimate moron. Wait, can you say?
Speaker 3:moron anymore. I don't think I've heard anything about moron, but I can look that up for me boss.
Speaker 2:Look at what boss looks like right now. I'm not going to.
Speaker 4:I mean, I know for a fact that well, I would actually just need to double check. I'm pretty sure that moron idiot and one other one were old school classifications for different degrees of developmental delay.
Speaker 2:Exactly yes, right.
Speaker 4:Yes, they definitely don't have a great root. I don't know if they've been so uh.
Speaker 2:Well, I don't want to use it if it's, if it's a no, even if it's gross, I will say that he is a um so idiot. You said it was one of them.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that's. The problem is, uh, all of them have like their roots. They all do yeah.
Speaker 3:Like Greek, of course. Thanks, coach, yeah no, you are welcome, my friend early 20th century is a medical term denoting an adult with a low iq.
Speaker 2:You're right, all right so we're not going to say that yeah, we're just going to say that he is he is uneducated, and blissfully uneducated, one of those people who, uh, knows all he needs to know by the age of about seven. And you know, no, no book learning is going to go in there. Um so uh.
Speaker 4:I think I'll only say I think there needs to be a word for somebody who is. I would never ridicule somebody for being uneducated or unaware of something, even saying stupid. I'm not going to make fun of you for being stupid. What I will call you on is acting like an asshole about that. If you are proudly wrong and a dick, then I'm going to make fun of you about that, Because that's the part that deserves to be mocked. Not that you were wrong, that you just insist on continuing to stay wrong. That's right.
Speaker 2:That's it right there. I think 66 million people. That might apply to you, boss, that fucking guy that.
Speaker 4:That's it right there 66 million people. That might apply to you, boss, that fucking guy, that motherfucking guy.
Speaker 2:You shouldn't have even said anything. We have to start.
Speaker 3:We have to start, not that we have to finish. We have to start, we have to start. Okay, this is where we start.
Speaker 2:Wayne. They have this moment. They're squaring up and then we hear what the fuck is going on out here and then out comes Wayne's mom, and this is a. We stopped here because you, just you know, this is Maureen McNulty, played by, of course, Michaela Watkins, who is great. I was trying to think if I ever seen anything Michaela Watkins has done that I didn't like and I couldn't even remotely think of it. I've seen parts that were underwritten that she still pulled off, where I was like wow, Jesus Christ, Like I think she seems like a pros, pro. I don't know anything about her. I don't know if she's nice or good or I actually don't. You know it's funny because you hear whispers about people and I good, or I actually don't. Uh, what you know?
Speaker 4:it's funny because you hear whispers about people and, um, and I just have never, I feel like I've never heard anything about Michaela. Have you boss anything? Um, so actually two things. Number one I accidentally called the show casualty. It's casual. Uh, that came out of you casual, so still good, I would recommend it. Um, I haven't heard anything bad about her. I know that she regularly would drop in on a podcast called Hysterical that I would listen to. That was through the Crooked Network. It was politics and pop culture, current events, only with women talking, hence the hysterical. That is ironic. Women talking, hence the hysterical. That is ironic. And she would. Everything she said I agreed with, I didn't. If she was being some version of herself on those podcasts, I think we would get along. I haven't heard anything like that.
Speaker 2:Well, that's I mean. I think that's probably like I love her and I want her to be in my family. I just want to spend Thanksgiving's with her. She's always good and she's great in this. She takes one look at Wayne and she knows everything she needs to know. She says holy fucking shit. And he stares at her, blood splattered on his face, just staring at his mom, who he hasn't seen since he was five years old, and she says says what here, coach?
Speaker 3:well, you look just like your father. I mean this, it's so much to process for the two of them. But that is underscored because we cut to dell for reaction shot and we cut to Reggie and his minions for it, and it is so If you put yourself in the actual situation, I think sometimes when we're watching shows, we're just here and we know this and we know that. But if you think about some guy we bumped into at the gas station, just showed up, grabbed some of our beer, started stomping on it, on it, like what the fuck's going on there. Then he knocks the shit out of chamomile and before we can jump him, as we most assuredly are about to do, my mom comes out and knows this fucking guy. Like what is going on? There really is a lot going on in this moment absolutely.
Speaker 2:And, uh, we cut from there that she holds on him for a second camera holds on us watching her, watch him. He doesn't say a word, just stares at his mom, and we cut to the dinner table. So this is where, if you didn't see this coming now, boss, you have a real, um, you have a really finely tuned, uh, television watchers, um, sort of sort of instinct. Did you see this particular thing? Coach said he saw, he thought wayne was trying to get, get you know his mother's attention. I forgot his mother was there when I first got it did. Once you saw this, did you think? Okay, they're going to go sit down at the, as she says, supper table.
Speaker 4:Yes.
Speaker 2:You did.
Speaker 4:I did not expect her to show up. Once she did, I thought that this was going to be how they handled this, that Wayne would not address anything with her and that she would play nice. Okay, alright.
Speaker 2:So first of all, I want to call Wayne would not address anything with her and that she would play nice. Okay, all right. So first of all I want to call out. We have the dinner table. They're all sitting at the supper table. You have this fascinating backdrop in the background, coach, what is that? Coach called it out. I had no idea. And boss, I don't think you recognize it. But, coach, what did you notice about the mural? That's like takes out of a whole wall of their. Yeah.
Speaker 3:It's a mural from Scarface, which obviously was set in Florida as well, and and so maybe that's why my brain was kind of like ready to make that connection. But I went and looked up a couple of stills from the movie and I'm pretty confident. I mean, to get that close and then not have done it intentionally would be pretty amazing, um. So yeah, I think they're referencing. You know these guys are it's too.
Speaker 3:It's too close to be an accident you know what I mean and and I could see them also like revering tony montana on that level, like 13 year old me thought like yeah, fuck it, man, like go for it. And if you die in a blaze of glory, fuck like in. 13 year old me thought like yeah, fuck it man, like go for it, and if you die in a blaze of glory fuck like in 51 year old music. Well, you know, make a little money, put it in an index fund.
Speaker 2:You know um say hello to my little index fund.
Speaker 3:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2:There you go Um but I could totally see this guy who stole someone's car and sent postcards about it, thinking Tony Montana had it all figured out. And I'm going to put this up on the around this table. You got Mark McKenna who plays Wayne. You got Ciara Bravo who plays Adele. You got, of course, maureen McNulty, played by Michaela Watkins. All three of them get to do a thing.
Speaker 2:Okay, wayne gets to be this, you know, psycho, uncivilized, sort of Conan type figure, right. So where he's a, he's a arbiter of justice, but not part of the real world. He's a Encino man. You got Dell, who is a like borderline caricature of a Boston raised woman, except that she's so good at such a heart and whatever. Like that. It's not, it doesn't go to caricature, it's just. But it's big, it's big and it's. You've got you got Michaela walk-ins, who we haven't seen, but she's already got the accent. She's got, you know, tanning skin that looks like it's from a have some big, uh big emotions, and I, and. And then you got francesco antonio playing, uh, reggie, who's over the top as, as far as you can go, it's almost like when you direct him you're like how, how far can you like? There is no, there is no bottom for you, right, um? And then you got kirk ward who plays calvin.
Speaker 2:Now Calvin Clay is Reggie's dad, is Maureen McNulty's husband or boyfriend who knows whether they're married or not and he has to be more of a straight man. He's got the hardest role and for people who haven't done any acting, this is what's tough. When you're around these people who all get to play these crazy roles, right, it's like playing mcduff. It's like playing you know what I mean? It's like, oh, mcbeth gets all the good lines he gets to. You know, he gets these wild fluctuations. I just got to be this even keeled thing. Now. That's not to say calvin clay, um, reggie's dad doesn't have a personality. He does, but it's much more subtle, and I just want to mark how well Kirk Ward did this and how important it is. It's a great call out. Do you know what I'm saying? Because you can't have everyone be a fucking whack job.
Speaker 3:Yeah, because then it's a farce.
Speaker 2:Right, it's too much. Yes, boss, you have something else, or you just agreed? No, that's it. Oh my God, we agreed, we agreed.
Speaker 4:We do agree. Oh my God, it always reminds me of it's not even a funny skit, but on SNL Main Justice, the courtroom sketch where Jason Sudeikis of Ted Lasso fame is the judge, and I want to say that Jamie Foxx is the bailiff and they're like over the top deep louisiana accent saying the most nonsensical shit, and there's just one of the lawyers like constantly looking around like wait, is this, are we? Are we all for real here? And that's what makes it funny, otherwise it would just be nonsense but that straight guy makes it funny.
Speaker 2:Yes, it's not monty python. So so you and even even then, even then they knew I, it's not like it was accidental. They knew exactly what they're doing. Um and and uh, I just want to point out that, um, that's what makes this scene work. Uh, I'm going to do something that I rarely do, um, but if we get a cease and desist order, that's fine. I want people I know a lot of people are listening. They come to the show. They say listen, I'm here to listen to Boss, I'm here to listen to Coach Bishop. I'm not going to pay money to watch Wayne, but I'll walk along with you guys to try to give those people an insight into this and for the purposes of whatever legal affairs department is going to attack me in the future in an effort to get you to subscribe to YouTube department is going to attack me in the future in an effort to get you to subscribe to youtube.
Speaker 2:Um, here, here is, uh, here's a little, a little clip of them at the table and I want people to just listen and hear the various dynamics. Um, at play.
Speaker 5:That's Reggie sucking his teeth. Isn't this nice, huh? Everybody sitting together like family.
Speaker 1:There's fruit in the salad.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I know it's part of that Food pyramid or whatever. You know, maybe it's good that the party was cancelled, because it's just more for us. That's right, and I don't know why I'm always feeding those animals anyway. Those are my friends, mama. Well, one of your friends took a dump in my nice plant pot.
Speaker 2:Mama. Alright, now Reggie's looking at Wayne. Can you cut the meat off my ribs?
Speaker 1:What you know. You do it like I like.
Speaker 5:Oh, come on, what's the matter with you? Cut your meat for you, weirdo, he come out of you. Huh Him, no, this is Calvin's boyfriend before.
Speaker 2:Reggie comes out of what I call an effed up relationship.
Speaker 1:I effed up and had relations with someone after too many tall boys. Oh my God, oh my God.
Speaker 5:It must be a relief. He's not yours, no offense.
Speaker 2:None taken. Okay, I'm going to pause right there. Reggie is trying to make Wayne feel you know he's trying to fuck with Wayne. So he's saying, mom, hey, can you come over? Whatever Then they talk about, is he yours? No, he didn't come out of me. He came out of a fucked up relationship. I had too many tall boys and impregnated somebody I shouldn't have. Reggie was a result. And she says well, you lucky. Uh uh. Dell says, um, uh, let me get the exact line. Well, it's, it's must be a relief. He's not yours. And then she says to Reggie no offense and he says none taken. There is nothing more offensive to say to someone than what an absolute relief that this person's existence is not on your head.
Speaker 3:Does not involve your DNA.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and he goes none takenitan.
Speaker 3:he doesn't know so I, I there's so much um energy the show expands on wayne protecting people, um, and I guess I'm particularly sensitive to I've had this dynamic with different friends in my life. I have a few friends who specifically are special to me because they look out for me, like I have watched them do things to protect me, and I'm usually the protector. In situations and in groups I'm usually the one who's like you know, make sure, and the people who watch my back, like I fucking treasure them, like I'm not like, who's like you know, making sure, and the people who watch my back like I fucking treasure them, like I'm not. Like that is a real, a real thing.
Speaker 3:And so right here I found myself watching Dell and thinking she loves Wayne and, as far as she's concerned, fuck this lady and fuck you, because I know you're fucking with my friend and if I could stab you in the throat I would do it right now. Like she is you people are not gonna hurt weight. That is where she is and it feels like everything she says does, everywhere she looks, everything is you. People are a nightmare and I will not allow you to hurt Wayne and I just thought it was a great to accomplish that with her. You know saying the little things she's saying, or saying no offense in a way that is so clearly fuck you. I mean, it's just it's. It's really great writing and beautiful acting, like you know it really is.
Speaker 2:He just doesn't know, he can't track it, so he's like none taken. That's what you say, but it's like no dude. That's where he's still like. Actually, my good man, this would be an ideal time to take offense, because it was the most offensive thing.
Speaker 3:Jason Leith has ever done. So you think he didn't catch what she was saying. No, I wasn't sure. I thought he was like all right, that's what we're doing, but maybe I'm giving Reggie too much credit.
Speaker 4:I don't know. I am more leaning towards the. He is being so petty. It's so flagrantly petty about wanting Maureen to act like his mom and rubbing that in Wayne's face that the one thing a bully actually knows is not to let other people see you upset like when you were a bully. And he is bullying Wayne Del can't come at him with oh I'm really glad that he didn't come out of you. That must be a relief, because if he acknowledges that she is trying to ridicule him, then he has to face her on that. So instead he's just like what you said doesn't even matter, got it Okay Is what I took it to mean.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, you might be right. I can't go so far as to give him that level of thought.
Speaker 4:I don't think it's thought, though I think it's instinct. I think that's what makes bullies bullies is that they just know how to zone in on that shit. I get that. I don't think Donald Trump is thinking about what he says. I think he has a terrible soul and knows exactly what to say to people to piss them off.
Speaker 3:That's very well articulated.
Speaker 2:Coach, we're going to hear. We're going to hear your um. I love what you said about Dell and I love what you say about people protecting their protectors. Um, dell, is that there are no. I I have never in my life. I look at this and I say, my God, I wish at some point I could be this like, I guess, have the absolute surety of my position in any scene. You know where I go. Yep, I know everybody here is a fuckhead and it is totally appropriate for me to whatever I I just it's, you know, for her to act out, or her to you would. You would call it defending, but she is. She is um like overt in her attack. There's no subtlety to it whatsoever. It is like if she's I've never seen her be bobby's daughter. She's fearless. There's no. You know they're outnumbered. Maybe this could go bad, but she is just absolutely Well. Let's listen to it and we'll talk about it. Hey, coffee boy Got lucky today. I almost got, took it out by camera.
Speaker 5:Why'd?
Speaker 3:you call him camera Because he puts motherfuckers to sleep. I'm still awake For now.
Speaker 5:Wow, does anybody want more potato salad? Because it's so good. It's very fancy. It's got the skin still on. It's got those tiny little green.
Speaker 1:Oh, my God.
Speaker 5:I'm sorry, do you not care how your son's been doing for the past 11 goddamn years? I'm not saying the quiet part, Really. You know I noticed you're taller, oh yeah, since he was five. That's kind of how it works. Hey, Okay, that was a joke and I thought it was good. Stop. You know what. You should really stop laying on the sun. Your orange skin's distracting me from your one fake tit that's bigger than your other fake tit. All right, what the fuck? Calm down. You think you're better?
Speaker 2:than me. Calm Dad's dead. So Wayne says Dad's dead and everybody kind of sits back.
Speaker 5:Calvin looks at Maureen she's really taking it hard Cancer from his child.
Speaker 2:She puts on a smile.
Speaker 5:Yeah, we always work too much. I told him I said those, those films they're gonna get you.
Speaker 1:Which worked out in my favor, just saying Wow, well, maybe he rest in peace, right.
Speaker 2:She just crosses herself sort of who wants to Everybody save in room, cause I got into men's Rest in peace.
Speaker 5:She crosses herself sort of who wants to everybody's saving room, Because I got intimates.
Speaker 2:Mama, can you give me some more hot seat please? Sure.
Speaker 3:I just want to toss in, like they do really smart stuff around class and the fact that, because I mean, first of all, if you claim that you've had anything that's more simple, genius than Entenmann's pound cake, you are a liar. You are a dirty, dirty, stinking liar. It is a simple, beautiful sweetness. It is wonderful. So I am not I. I I I have and would be happy to enjoy some intimates, but it is certainly not, uh, what they serve at, uh, your finest restaurants. And to have that line followed by can you get me some more high C please? I just thought it was like such a reminder of, like, where we are and what the dynamic is here. Yeah, the fake crossing I shouldn't say fake, but you know, just sort of like well, she kind of didn't know how to do it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I guess this is what you do when people die.
Speaker 3:It was was very awkward. There's a lot here built in to just make sure we understand who we're dealing with. Also, that the unsaid part. Everybody knew what wasn't being said, so it only took a small amount of provocation for everybody to launch into. Oh, you think you're better than me? Whoa, it worked out for me. There's a lot under the surface here and it makes a scene that if you just read the words who gives a shit? It makes it sizzle. Everybody at this table has some shit they'd like to say, including Del, who's probably the one who said the most about that. She's got in the holster, anyway.
Speaker 2:Knowing that this is a pressure cooker, it's very astute, it's just great show running. You have Reggie say Mom, can you get me mohassi please? She's only too happy to get up and get away from anything she knew to get away when she leans in to get his his uh drink he kissed, he kisses her cheek. Um, watching wayne as he does it. Um, or earlier I meant to mention I didn't want to talk over it too much, but um, when he said none taken, he winked at dell, yeah, yeah yeah, this is generation two of this dynamic.
Speaker 3:By the way, I mean him kissing mom, and looking over is the postcard.
Speaker 4:I mean it's yeah, we won yeah, and that's why I don't think dell is. I understand what she's actually saying and I understand why people would say she is being wildly aggressive. I would say that she is matching the actual aggression in the room. I think that she's coming at it exactly right. That reggie and uh dad's name, who I can't remember right now, even though you just told me calvin, calvin calvin.
Speaker 4:Yeah, god, um, that they are being intentionally aggressive. They are doing it outwardly. Maureen is being passive aggressive by refusing to acknowledge the fact that she hasn't seen her son in 11 years, that she left. She left him when she was five, that she never came back and never followed up. They're all being aggressive in their own ways and Del is calling them out on it and this shit happens all the time time. Two different degrees in regular society, where one person will be sort of an asshole and the person that calls them out on it is seen as being aggressive yeah I'm like that motherfucker was an asshole first yeah
Speaker 3:you guys didn't pick up on it because you didn't understand what they were doing, but they were being an asshole first also and I know I've talked about this before, so I'll be quick there's a thing where people choose their peace over my justice yes and it's like, yeah, no, I'm not gonna sit here and let this fucking dinner conversation just sort of like roll along when I've been, I'm being screwed through this whole situation and I I'm with you on that.
Speaker 3:Sometimes I envy people who have some skill in the area of dressing up their shitty behavior, because my reaction is, if I mean fuck you, pretty soon I'm going to say fuck you and there is part of me that's like. That does seem to be a skill set of being able to poke and poke and poke without doing anything that the people around would see as starting the fight.
Speaker 2:Thank you, old boy Right. I want to point out that, layered in on top of Del's just irritation and annoyance with whatever the hell maureen is, is the fact they could have stolen the car and left. Why the fuck are they here? This is not, this was never, ever part of the plan that was communicated to her. Like, like. Sometimes she feels like she's getting dragged around, you know, by this guy, this dinosaur, and she's like, jesus christ, I have no free will. Like. Now we're sitting at a, at a table with this guy with a gold, uh grill on his teeth, like and, and the guy that's the two people that stole his car and the mother that walked out, like, what, what is?
Speaker 4:yeah, it's so. That last part is she left her shitty family in order for him to go find his, and that's why she's pissed off, because she thought that this was not we're going to find something else.
Speaker 4:We're going to go be something else together yes, we're going to go find your car, and we're going to do that yes now you want me I I already left one motherfucker in the hospital and you want me to sit and have dinner and be polite with your shitty mom, even though she left you, like she's right. She's right that she. I understand why she is annoyed with wayne that he doesn't seem to be standing up for himself, but more than that, I understand why she is pissed off that he is subjecting her to shitty people when he was supposed to be part of the way that she got out of that yeah, no, that's that's really wonderfully stated and and I would say that she also has.
Speaker 3:For all that, her mother wasn't. Her mother loved her. Her mother didn't mean to leave her. Her mother had her own loved her. Her mother didn't mean to leave her. Her mother had her own demons, her own problems, and that's the way it went. The idea that someone chose to cause the pain she knows because she lost her mother, it strikes me as like that's unthinkable to do. Like you did this, like this isn't a thing that happened. You did this right. Like you're the worst. You are the actual fucking worst. And it's comparing this to to ted lasso real quick. It's interesting that we have a show we started with about bad dads. This scene is, in a way, all about bad moms.
Speaker 3:Whoever was at the end of those tall boys probably isn't prime minister of any countries right now. We've got, you know, we're sitting here with this situation, and we've got a person who you know substance abuse their way out of their children's life.
Speaker 4:I mean it's it's tough yeah, and to go back to Del's mom just for a second. But she, you know, bobby said, they said it was an accident, which is like maybe leaves a little bit of gray area for was it possibly death by suicide? How did that happen? Did she overdose? Whatever it was, she made a mistake, intentionally or not once. And Wayne has woken up every single morning for 11 solid years and chosen every day to not be in contact with Wayne. That's right.
Speaker 3:Can't get around that You're right.
Speaker 2:Just as I was listing out these over-the-top, these big, big, exciting performances, we can't forget about Donna Lucchetti, played by Abigail Spencer, which just hit it out of the park.
Speaker 3:We saw so little of her and the impact was so huge.
Speaker 1:Like I can, see her One episode, I feel her, that's it.
Speaker 3:One episode.
Speaker 2:Oh, is she really in one, wow. And Michaela Watkins is? We? We've waited till episode eight to see her. So this is what I'm saying, like, how about dean winters? How about mike o'malley as butthole? Tommy cole, you know. How about the champagne brothers, carl and teddy john champagne and jamie champagne playing. Carl and teddy lucetti, uh. Steven kieran as sergeant geller, james earl as officer. Jay getti, you just uh. Joshua jay williams is orlando. You're, you're the. The writing the. You're like, how does a? How does a tiny little show made in the weirdest, uh era of television on a streamer that had never made a show? You know it's like it was the most bizarre thing, but you know they read the script and went like holy shit, actorbait is real, it's real. They read this and they go oh, my god, I want to do this.
Speaker 2:Where can you see? Okay, this was made in 2019. That's when Wayne was made as a show. What has happened since then where you could have lines like this, not all that. I'm not saying it doesn't happen. Here and there there are these great, beautiful things, but it's just few and far between, and when you get a script like this, people just jump on. I'm going to finish up this little dining scene with Wayne and Reggie staring daggers at each other. Real, oh, boss, go ahead. You had something.
Speaker 4:Yes, I'm just realizing right now that Teddy Lucchetti is one of the shittiest names I've ever heard in my entire life. That is fucking yeah no, that's. I knew a guy whose name was Ruben Hood and Teddy Lucchetti is somehow.
Speaker 2:Ruben.
Speaker 1:Hood is is that Ruben Hood steal?
Speaker 2:sandwiches from the rich and gives them to the poor.
Speaker 4:That is rough. I I swear to God, I met a man whose name was Ruben Hood and I knew a different guy whose name was Ben hard. Like those are real people that I knew in my life. You know iten Hood. And I knew a different guy whose name was Ben Hard. Like those are real people that I knew in my life.
Speaker 3:You know it's funny and it may say it probably does say a lot more about me than it does the world. I actually, when we were thinking about names, did try to think through like, what nickname what? Like? What am I? Am I? That was actually part of the test. It's like am I doing something I'm not seeing? And actually longer story. But I wanted Alex to be Orlando Jr at first Whole story about my upbringing but blah, blah, blah. That's what I wanted. And Daphne wasn't into it and we were talking about that and she said they're going to call him OJ, yes, and I was so pissed I was like that is cheating, but I knew she was right. Like I knew she was right, but I was like that is cheating. You just won this argument. There's nothing I can come back with that says it's going to be a good idea for us to set our kid up to be nicknamed OJ. So I guess I'm done here. But yeah, you got that. Ben Hard Oof, wow.
Speaker 2:That's interesting. I come from a family where there's a lot of my dad named his oldest after him and stuff like Junior, and I'm like just give people their own names, just they should get, at least they should get their own name. That's all that's. I listen, I understand when people there is a legacy thing, there's, that you know. So let's, let's, let's build this line of course. Uh, you went to yale, so you're, you know, you have that like whole, um, you know that pedigree of affluence, sure, absolutely, and snottiness, absolutely. Um, you do, you like it's, it's, it's. I mean, it's not, it's not your fault, it's just it's just an aura around me, right, yeah?
Speaker 2:yeah yeah, entitled right, uh, snottiness, I would say.
Speaker 3:I don't know if I'm, that might be my whole essay, my whole college essay, was I thank you for bequeathing my birthright. That was the whole it was. It was one sentence that was it?
Speaker 2:See that my acceptance is delivered properly, Exactly, Alright, so here's the end of the scene. It's silent. So I'm just going to tell you what happened. It was silent-ish, Not a lot of dialogue, Staring daggers across the table. It's a full, tight shot on Wayne. One, uh, one shot of just him in frame. Um, and real, real sort of blurred out background Doesn't even go. It's tight enough that it's again cuts through his head. So the top of the frame cuts through his head. We're not even, you know, like get the whole. It's like we're tight and uh, across the table you have reggie with his shit eating grin and just just standing there.
Speaker 2:It's again another sort of western draw type of uh setup which they love in this show. Um and um, wayne does a quick draw and he takes a it. It reminds me of the thing they use in the for the. Whatever the prop is. It's funny when you actually know how the, how the sausage is made, you can imagine, um, that it's not a plate that he throws. Uh, it's, it's like a uh, you know, it's usually styrofoam or something like that, or you or something like that, or a Frisbee-like kind of thing, soft, it still can sting when it hits. But then you get your Foley artist to come in and drop in sound and changes the entire vibe of it. But what Wayne does is he just quick draws this plate that looks like old-school. What's that? Is it Farber? What's the old-school white plate?
Speaker 3:That might be right. You start saying saying it. It sounded like with the yellow leaf, leaf.
Speaker 2:Well, it just feels like those heavy plates, it feels like yeah, yeah, yeah one of those.
Speaker 2:It wasn't like a light, you know sort of like dainty thing. It was like a club and he hucks it. It hits Reggie right in the nose and breaks his nose probably, and there's a spurt of blood and Reggie gets up holding his face and Wayne smiles and then we instantly cut back to that was an internal it was like an Ally McBeal internal thought of Wayne's. Yeah, and I know we've seen a couple they got me, by the way.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, no, no, no, I thought he had done it, they 100% got me. I was like, oh boy, here we go, let's play the feud. But yeah, it was well done.
Speaker 2:That's what's so. You know he would. It's almost amazing that he doesn't.
Speaker 3:Yeah, absolutely, he is definitely considering it.
Speaker 4:He is definitely considering. I was hoping that they would go with that. I was a little disappointed. When it turns out it was, uh, just a thought, because I sort of wanted him to be like I told you dad's dead. You're still not paying any fucking attention. Time to beat your family's ass I, I totally get.
Speaker 2:I, I understand that, but in a way I was, I was the other way. I went, I was like, yes, because that's wish we want again. Way, wayne is a lot about justice porn, it's about wish fulfillment. That's what we want. We want assholes to get their comeuppance, but it's like, you know, great sex doesn't go right to the act. We want the foreplay, we want that. I want the buildup, as I want to see these two dance a little before we establish a bit. We know Wayne is tough as nails, we know this. But we also know that Reggie's no pushover, that's been established. Go ahead, coach. What were you going to say?
Speaker 3:No, no, no. Yeah, I was just agreeing with that.
Speaker 2:He's moved up in opponent, and this is the thing. So does he line up against Calvin, who stole the car, or does he line up against Reggie, who's like becoming the de facto oppositional candidate? Who lines up against against Maureen? Is it dead Like Maureen?
Speaker 4:you're trying to no, no, no, no, no. Wayne's fight is with Maureen. The Reggie andvin are the fucking the way that she escaped you. Don't go after the train when it takes your mom away. You fucking have an argument with your mom yes, but does it seem.
Speaker 2:How many times, oh my god, how many times over the years have you told a friend or someone told you like you're mad at the wrong person? I mean, I know I do it, yeah on a daily basis.
Speaker 2:sometimes we can't see for the forest, for the trees, and, uh, you know, oh, I'm so mad at the, at the, uh, you know, my, my wife's new husband, or something like dude, like you're not mad that that guy's inconsequential right, so, so, but it's very um, in this scene at least least, I will offer that in choosing not to do that, wayne is making an incredibly un-Wayne-esque choice, which must have a reason. He must feel so powerfully about something else that has not been called out to this point that it is staying his hand. We're going to play this a little bit so we can close the loop and then we'll pick it up. Has not been called out to this point that it is staying his hand, so let's play.
Speaker 1:We're going to play this a little bit so we can close the loop and then we'll pick it up. Wayne is staring Reggie smiles at him.
Speaker 2:Okay, and then we cut back to Reggie sucking his teeth. Sorry if I blew anyone's eardrums out with that, jesus Christ. Hopefully Luke, our stellar editor, will probably try to lower the level on that, because that came in really loud it came in real hot, got a hot roller. Now we cut to Okay, that's how, okay, that's how the scene ends, and we don't have any closure. We just know there's a lot of tension in that trailer. Right, yeah, that's it. I mean, that's it To this point. No one popped off.
Speaker 5:Right.
Speaker 2:You know, calvin seemed more irritated about the fruit in his salad than he did having whatever the hell. You know Maureen's kid. You know what I mean. Just everyone's like whatever A little bit of a holding pattern there. Now we cut to the strip club and, boss, can you walk us through this? I love this. We got a shot from behind the bouncer. I love this. We get a shot from behind the bouncer.
Speaker 2:He is a huge black man with like a tactical vest on and no sleeves, just like this. He's like a like a soldier of fortune kind of kind of vibe and the shot is looking past his. We see his back in in the left-handed side of the frame. It's a beautiful shot Again, great shot composition, because again, when you're making a, any DP worth their salt will tell you depth is the key to everything. And you have this shot where not only do we have the depth of him with the, with the uh, the velvet barricade thing in front of him, and then the depth to the door, but they open the door and you have light stream in from the outside, which is, you know, you don't have to to be a philosophy major to see the. You know the light and darkness kind of kind of set up here. So, boss, walk us through this.
Speaker 4:Oh I, it's interesting to me that you went with the light and the darkness type thing, because I thought it was more like hey, you turn on the lights and I don't want to say that the roaches scurry, because I don't want to besmirch any of the the customers here, but it's sort of like a like shut it, what are you doing?
Speaker 4:right, yes, um, but yeah, orlando is walking into the strip club, first, followed by butthole tommy cole. Uh, walking up saying hi, and he's the bouncer says you ain't getting in here, little man. Uh, he says I'm crystal's kid, and the bouncer takes a second and then he moves the rope and lets him through magnificent and then butthole, tommy cole says 15 or the bouncer says 15 bucks and he says to the bouncer uh, I'm crystal's accountant.
Speaker 4:And Bouncer says then write that shit off. And then Tommy Cole has to search his pockets. Can I get a receipt? Wait, did you?
Speaker 2:just sigh because you can't write that off. Did you just sigh for that?
Speaker 4:No, no, no, no, no. That was Tommy Cole's response, that he was kind of looking at Orlando as he was walking away.
Speaker 1:Oh, I thought you were making him.
Speaker 4:No, no, no. That motherfucker worked for him. This shit doesn't work for me, god damn it.
Speaker 2:No, it's true.
Speaker 4:Black people get all the advantages. That's what I've been saying for years.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, Obviously.
Speaker 4:God damn it. Someday I'm going to get in trouble for something Obviously, and they're going to go back and just cut.
Speaker 2:No, no, no. The clips on this show I am. They'll shoot us into space. I am fucked. So he goes through. Michael Malley goes through his wallet here.
Speaker 4:It was just a joke, just a little accountant humor, which does happen more often than you might expect it. There you go, good day, and then he gets to go through. And as he gets to go through, and as he's walking in, finally to Orlando, he says how did you know there'd be a crystal here? And Orlando said dude, there's always a crystal, which is true. I just got done rewatching 30 Rock and on the St Patrick's Day episode, liz Lemon is hanging out the window shouting Megan, megan and her boyfriend is like oh my God, there's so many of them turning around. Hey, hey, megan, so it's a good call, like if you're at a strip club, there's probably at least one woman named Crystal.
Speaker 2:He didn't pause, he's just like I'm Crystal's kid. Yeah, I'm Crystal's kid. The guy bought it, hooked line and sinker opened.
Speaker 4:The thing opened the little you know, the only part I don't get is if he was Crystal's kid, why would she tell him to go there? Why would she be like hey, meet me at work and walk through the front of the strip club in order to find me in the that's a good point front of the strip club in order to find me in the like that's a good point, it's great. The joke works really well. I love the joke. I'm not picking on it. I'm saying there should have been a little more thought to the. Well, you go, stand outside and I'll send crystal out to you let's keep let's continue, let's continue all right.
Speaker 4:Uh. So they're walking through the strip club and you hear all the things that they say uh, like I see you. Oh, that looks great. But he says, these places never make sense to me. This is uh tommy colt, not orlando. You got all these women. They have their clothes off and they would never, ever do it with you.
Speaker 2:Never, never, ever would do it with you.
Speaker 4:By the way, I understand that their relationship has changed over the past few days but, tommy Cole, this might not be the most appropriate conversation to be having with one of your students, one of your underage students.
Speaker 2:I don't know who led you into the strip club. I don't know. Yes, is he under? I guess he's what, 16?
Speaker 4:Well, yeah, Wayne is 16.
Speaker 3:Yeah no, he's definitely under. I mean he's under all the ages. Like there's no.
Speaker 4:Yeah, like he did need his grandmother's permission to leave the state.
Speaker 2:He is not 18, at least, so you get your, you get all, you pay your money.
Speaker 4:Pay your money.
Speaker 2:Get all worked up.
Speaker 1:Get up oh yeah, you pay your money, you go home. Yeah, you get up, you go home and you're all worked up.
Speaker 4:It's like paying a restaurant to smell the food. I laughed at that line.
Speaker 3:I like yeah, I just thought that was a I'm a sucker for analogies that really line up and to me it was like that is correct. Whether you agree with the man's point or not, that is perfectly stated.
Speaker 2:Listen, we've talked about Chef Close in the past. I don't want to belabor the point, but I am always fascinated by whoever I walk into the club with and whatever subtle thing changes. It's just really interesting. It's like a different mask comes on with certain people and whatever subtle thing changes, and and it's just really interesting that people, it's like a different mask comes on with certain people and I I'm too, I guess, dumb to like change it up. I'm always just fascinated and then I just try to make everybody feel good. I just I just make, just say okay, no, no, not that way, boss, okay, no way boss, um, okay, no, no, I just make sure.
Speaker 2:I told you I've never had a. The only time people bought me lap dances, I just go listen, you don't want to do it, I don't want to do it, so let's just, you want I'll grab you a beer. And then they tell me great, then it's fascinating and then I have a great time. They say like I, where I interview them, like whatever, and but I don't do it. If I get the sense like it's only three times, I don't. I just not into it, kind of, I don't know, maybe it's only three times, I don't, I'm just not into it. I just kind of, I don't know, maybe it's like a might be a sensory thing, I don't know. I just don't want somebody, I don't know, all over Whatever. Whatever it is, I'm just like it just doesn't. It doesn't whatever Isn't it called, and I may get this very wrong, but sapiosexual I believe. Yeah, so maybe you find that out.
Speaker 1:Coach, listen, it's not like I can't appreciate the beauty and all of its forms.
Speaker 2:I think whatever, but it doesn't do. I'm closer to uh, to to butthole tommy cole, his, his thing. I'm like, um, yeah, it just gets me. I guess I don't get worked up, but I'm like, I just what? I don't. I just I've never, ever, ever. I know that it hits a huge percentage of of us, me and whoever else who's like I just get.
Speaker 2:I'm fascinated by the, the pageantry of it, and the, the, the men who like, are trying on a different persona, or you know like when I see someone pay someone to go back for a private dance and and I'm like okay, and I just like try to think about the psychology behind it and especially if I know the person, I know them, I go okay, this is like fascinating, like you know what I mean. So, and again, it's like not judgment, it's, it's, this, is, this is a hundred percent, ted Lasso. I'm curious, I'm not judgmental. I want everybody to have a great time. I'm thrilled that people are making money. I'm thrilled that it's legal, I'm thrilled that it's safe or whatever. No problem with any of it. I just, for whatever reason, it's not, it sucks, because I don't get it. So I'm closer to Tommy Cole's take on this. And Orlando rightly points out dude, could you just shut up and enjoy the Nekid, the N-E-K-K-I-D. And what does Tommy Cole say?
Speaker 4:What's the Nekid? Orlando said the Nekid, you know, look, there's the buffet, the Nekid. He couldn't understand the Nekid. Oh, the Naked.
Speaker 3:I love that choice. I loved that choice. I loved him working out the, the solving the puzzle on his own, and there's a funny joke you could write between him and orlando there and orlando explains it, but I don't. To me there was something funnier and and more real about him going naked watch watching him take a second to figure it out the way they did it, and this is again.
Speaker 2:Editing is huge for for, uh, leading people down a path. Orlando leaves the frame. There's a shot of tommy cole standing there. He's in frame, right, he's just by himself, single in the frame. What's? What's the naked? And then there's an answer. We get a shot of the stage.
Speaker 4:The girl does a atomic butt drop, and then we get go back to tommy colo and we go oh, the naked cut, yes boss, I don't want to disrail this already train wreck of an episode, uh, but I would like to say number one there's a difference between standard stripping and some of the pole dancing work that I've seen in videos that I need to call out specifically because there is some shit that women are doing out there.
Speaker 4:And I would also specifically say I believe, as most good things do, it originated with black women just doing like tremendous amounts of aerobic acrobatics on these poles, like I think maybe I've even mentioned before. There's one a pole must be like 25, 30 feet up in the air and a woman scales it all the way up wearing heels I could not sit in like they are fucking wild gets all the way up to the top, yeah, slides down with just her legs the entire pole. Stops herself with just her legs right before the edge of the stage and then just whips her hair around, yeah, it along to the beat, to the song like where have I seen that?
Speaker 2:I feel like that's like a cop we've all. I know exactly the one you're talking about. Yes, was it in some show that?
Speaker 4:we've all seen I feel like it was just online where people were like, listen, there is stripping, and then there is whatever is happening here, because this, like you need to, you need to give her all of the money, every dollar you've ever had. She just earned it, she, she has it now.
Speaker 2:It looks like Cirque du Soleil. You're just go. I don't understand how you're this strong Like I don't know how you can get it. How, kidding me like how how did you get I know where it was? It was on that, um. It was on that show about the strip club in province, was it?
Speaker 4:uh, oh, p town or something. Yeah, p something, p valley, p valley, was it.
Speaker 1:I think that's where it was I think that's probably what it was okay, but I know what you're talking about and it's impressive and listen.
Speaker 2:Pole dancing is now things that suburban moms do For health, like women go, and I don't know if they have men too, but I know women do, and then they go buy their own pole to set up in their house to practice and it's like grueling, it's really hardcore workout and I don't know what.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I mean it's anyway it's its own art form is what I want to say and that's not to denigrate what you would imagine to be stripping is its own art form, but there's some shit happening that's just wild in a great way. The other thing is that, for anybody who's ever played any of the Witcher video games, when I first saw the bad guys called the Neers, I remarked to the boyfriend I don't understand why they got called out for that specifically. And he said what are you talking about? And I was like why are they called neckers when none of the other bad guys are? And he's like do you think they call them that because they're naked? I was like I don't understand why else they would. And he was like like no, it's not because they're naked, they're all naked. It's fucking fantasy world. What are you talking about? So I was with Tom, but whole time Nicole. I'm not understanding.
Speaker 2:So about the whole time Nicole figured it out and then we get a little quick insert and then, oh, he's right over to the free food bar. What's it called? The little buffet. Yes, thank you. Thank you, coach. Now Orlando stops him, he hustles over, but whole Tommy Cole's got like a spring in his step Because, remember, to set this up, he was starving and he was hangry and he was yelling at Orlando and apologizing because he's so hungry and the only place to get a meal is anytime day or night is at a strip club. So they go to the buffet. Orlando says a few rules Never take the top plate, always use the tongs and never get the last of anything. The whole time. Coach, it's just lip service, right? What does Michael Malley say here? What is the?
Speaker 3:whole time. He's just like he would probably eat the sneeze guard at this point. He's just nah right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, he's just yowling him to death. Never get the last of anything. There's always a fresh batch on its way. Orlando says okay, great, tommy calls yeah, yeah, yeah. First thing he does is reach for the last shrimp. What does Orlando say? He slaps his hand.
Speaker 3:Excuse me. I mean you talk about role reversal. He is now right, he's the guide and he slaps his hand away and he goes hey, what'd I just say? He's like you're not hearing me and to his credit. But whole Tommy Cole says yeah, I wasn't listening.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I wasn't listening. All my yas meant nothing Because I wasn't listening. And then we're out of that scene. It's just funny that he goes for the shrimp and gets slapped by his student, and it's just orlando I gotta say I listen, we do what we must in a desperate situation.
Speaker 3:The minute we pulled up in front of a strip club to solve hunger, I thought, good god guys like, if you, if, if, if neither of you ends up in an er, this is a win. Because no, no, no, no, no. I just, I don't know why I've decided like that, but that just don't, just don't do not why are you eating?
Speaker 2:there it's a show of odd choices, coach, and you know they make. That's eating at strip clubs. You're kissing in morgues. It's, it's a, it's a whole thing. It's a whole right. They just turned.
Speaker 1:You're right, you're right, but it makes total sense for the characters.
Speaker 2:Now we cut back to the mobile home. Wayne is sitting by himself in front of the Scarface mural. Del walks up Well, that was fucking delightful. She says what are we still doing here? And delightful. She says what are we still doing here? And he says you know? He shrugs, he says I don't know, she made us supper. And Del says what here, boss?
Speaker 4:Yeah, mother of the fucking year.
Speaker 2:Yeah, mother of fucking year. Now she says now, can you please take the car and get the hell out of here? And right as she says that, in comes Reggie. There you fucking is. Hey, you want to see something. And Wayne says depends what it is, it's just like that. It's like oh, you know. Wayne's like really whatever. And Reggie's like oh, depends what it is, wayne says. And he says it's my birthday present. And then he sucks his teeth, leans into Del and says I'm taking your boyfriend. And Wayne is like ugh, doesn't want to do it, to which Reggie says what coach Come on bitch, hurry up.
Speaker 3:I mean Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2:Wayne does like a hand shrug kind of thing Like ugh. Right, it's like ugh.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and then, as they're walking out, I thought this was really interesting here comes mom, you two go play nice huh. And there's a certain and I'm going to try to capture it because there's a certain vibe with people who and I feel like women I've seen it more as a thing women have do when it's like we don't usually have nice supper, don't usually have nice supper. We know that there's a nicer way for life to be, but this is where we are and trying to like dress it up and you know, the whole idea is this is nice family supper? Like what's nice family supper? This one's face is bloodied. We're here because I left my child 11 years ago. Like it's not. These two are not now gonna become besties and go play Roblox, Like what the fuck. But she's holding on to this idea. She even pops them with the towel.
Speaker 2:They might, you never know.
Speaker 3:But yeah, there's something like I just want to have a decent life and I guess that wasn't in the cards for me. That's built into everything she says and does.
Speaker 2:I guess this is life then yeah well, it's also a testament to people who have to endure uh brutal changes and roll with them. They learn, you know it's a coping mechanism. They had to learn to, yeah, roll with every crazy thing that gets thrown their way. I'm sure, uh, life with calvin is is just a utopia for Maureen. So she's built up this ability to kind of roll with things and when Wayne walks out she whacks him with her dishrag on the butt and says you kids have fun, play nice you guys.
Speaker 4:I don't know if that is rolling with things so much as aggressively brushing past them. I just need to call out that difference. I know a lot of people that are laid back and if we need to move things by 20 minutes, they're fine with that. And there are other people where you're saying we can't leave yet because we have all of this shit to get done and they're like, oh, it'll be fine. I'm like, well, it's not fine, we need to deal with this shit.
Speaker 3:Den. Like oh, it'll be fine, like well, it's not fine. We need to deal with this shit. Denial and acceptance, I think, is the yes.
Speaker 2:But it presupposes self-awareness, which I don't think Morgan necessarily has. You have to be aware of that too. I think it's her version of rolling past it. It's just a. I don't think she has safety and therefore she has to manufacture some internal um evenness in order to navigate what is inherently an unsafe situation that she lives I.
Speaker 4:I don't know if it's unsafe for her, I any more so than any other situation would be, and I think saying that she is unaware of it makes it seem like she doesn't know that she is gravitating towards something that makes her feel better. That is what she knows, what she absolutely knows is that she's aware of her situation.
Speaker 2:She's not naturally self-aware. She is not doing a lot of deep introspection, I don't think. I think she's just a a person who reacts and and moves along and that's what she's figured out how to do, and whatever it's. It's hard to say. We're not going to be able to figure out if, if, if my version is is, uh, more correct than yours, or yours is more correct than mine, but I think that, in either case, would you at least say this is the way that she manages, it's the way she gets through these types of situations.
Speaker 4:To an extent, yes. My issue is that I don't need her to be deeply introspective and say, like I acknowledge I was unable to deal with the stress of my early marriage and my children so I left because I couldn't handle that. Like it doesn't matter what she thinks about herself If she is, she has to know she left her kid and she has to know that this isn't a happy situation and she is choosing to put on a happy face and blow past it to other people's detriment, because it's too hard for her to deal with.
Speaker 2:Because that's how. What she knows about it is irrelevant to her Right, but this is her coping mechanism. That's all I'm saying. I'm agreeing with you. This is how she copes Right or wrong level of introspection no level introspection either way this is how she does. This is her mo right yeah so she says to to dell you know wayne goes off with reggie dell's left sitting there. She says to tell uh, what does she say here, coach?
Speaker 3:I could use some help with the dishes in there, right, and Del, dutiful girlfriend of this woman's son, understanding she wants to impress her in-laws says oh okay, you want me to go get your husband or whatever he is. I mean, del is like we've seen her with waitress, we've seen her in some Like this is gloves off. I am not holding anything back with you, lady, do not. We're not going to smile at each other. You hurt my Wayne, and no, I was Actually at this moment. I did find myself going and it shows how much we, even if we don't want to lean toward nice, where I was, like all don't take it easy. Like just go, go, go help the lady with the dishes so you can get that lot of but like I I respect that she was like I'm not helping you with the fucking dishes.
Speaker 3:Um, yeah it, it worked for me. And again it's felt like more of mom saying we're gonna act like this is a normal scene. And you've been brought home as the girlfriend and now we're gonna go in and do the a normal scene. And you've been brought home as the girlfriend and now we're going to go in and do the dishes while the boys go play, and it's all going to be a picture I have in my head.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, that's what women are supposed to do Dishes yeah.
Speaker 4:The inherent outside of the fact that Maureen's being a real bitch. The inherent sexism involved made me want to side with Belle immediately. The inherent sexism involved made me want to side with bell immediately. If you were ever a guest in somebody's home and they ask you, based on your gender, to help out, you go ahead and tell them to fuck off. That's.
Speaker 2:That's emily chambers version of emily post oh my god, all right, we don't have time. It needs to happen, but we don't have going. Yeah, no, it is many articles. Emily posts. Fucking boss needs to write. She's so lazy. Oh my god, so late.
Speaker 3:She's like article from boss. Like I almost want to just stop recording right now and just start like let's go, let's get to work.
Speaker 2:Oh, she's for those you can't. This is an audio audio platform, so you can't see her laughing in my face and yeah because I she just knows the pain it causes me because I really want to read a bunch of things. And then she looks at her computer and she goes you know, he's waiting for me to write an article for the website. And then she looks over at her edibles and she's like oh God that is true, yeah.
Speaker 4:I did. I thought about an article the other day while I was on an edible about how I need to write. I almost wrote it. I'm going to try harder tonight. I'll try real hard tonight.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, I believe you. I want to point out that, okay, I thought this was a fascinating choice. I've never seen it mentioned and I read everything I can on Wayne. I read every thread and every post and every interview and I'm a die hard that way. Um, I've never seen this mentioned, but do you guys notice anything in this particular shot? You know what? I'm going to screen cap this and I'm going to put it in. Oh sorry, let's get the, the um, the response to that you want me to get your husband, or whatever he is, and then boss. What does maureen respond with?
Speaker 4:oh yeah, if it ain't a car or my tits, he ain't putting his hands on it.
Speaker 3:Like this is supposed to be a very am I right? Yeah, Kind of a moment.
Speaker 4:That's obviously what you want to hear your boyfriend's estranged mother say to you within an hour or two of meeting her.
Speaker 2:Yeah, delsis, thanks for that picture um, and gets up to follow her. Uh, because at least whatever I really want to discuss if maureen is being a bitch but we don't have time we're going to come back to it. No, no, we're gonna. I know, I know you're like certain that she is being a bitch, and I'm, and I would argue she's completely not being a bitch. She's completely not being a bitch and and the whatever this, uh, her not being a bitch, that is definitely her being a bitch in your mind is enough to fool somebody as dumb as me. I'm just, I'm just putting it out there that I can't read the non-bitch bitch of this, um, but I want to point out this and we'll come back to that, because later in another episode I think we'll have have time to talk about it. You guys see anything in this particular frame? I have now screen capped it. I'm going to post it on the site, community site. What do you see here? Anything jump out at you.
Speaker 4:You mean that fancy-ass TV in the corner?
Speaker 2:Okay, and what do you see on the fancy-ass TV?
Speaker 4:Oh, I can't make out anything from here.
Speaker 2:No, you can't Okay.
Speaker 1:Is it an actual show. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:No, no, it's for security camera footage.
Speaker 1:Oh, Jesus Christ.
Speaker 3:So they have a camera up in the oh, so they're dealer's dealers.
Speaker 2:Well, I don't know, I don't know, is that what it is?
Speaker 3:Yeah, it must be, because, think about it, he loves Tony Montana. This up in the corner, they are somehow the hub of this very weird group of ne'er-do-wells. Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 2:Okay. Well, that's just a thing that we never. Really that makes it much more dangerous, if that's the case.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean, think about when, when Reggie, you know, had his moment with our guy. He's in the illegal world, I mean he's whether it's actually whatever that, whatever their thing is, they definitely got a thing because you're buying gators, you know what I mean? Like, it's just who has cash to buy a gator and who's having that conversation. So yeah, I think you're right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay. So if it ain't a cat, my titsy ain't putting his hands on it. She says thanks for that picture. And now Adele gets up and we cut to a little time cut. Now they're in the kitchen doing girl talk. And again, really fast, I'm going to play this because it doesn't do it justice for us to say it. You've got to hear it. I will cease and desist if necessary. Please subscribe to YouTube Premium and watch Wayne. Let's see what we make of this.
Speaker 5:I'll tell you something else Ever since I started wearing these rubber gloves to do dishes my nails, they just don't break so much. Oh, is that right? Yeah, and I used to be a manicurist. Hey, you know how everyone thinks that their toes are the most disgusting. Well, they're right. Oh, wow, that's a great story, maureen. Maybe we'll make a movie out of it. But what was my worst job? Let's see. The fuck is wrong with this thing. There's nothing wrong with that thing. I made that. Yeah, jesus, I did. I took a pottery class at the rec center and I thought it was going to be like Ghost, but you know what? I didn't see a single Patrick Swayze, so I quit. I didn't need that. That shit's hotter than it looks.
Speaker 3:So before, because they're going to get to some stuff here that's going to be much more to the core. But even she took a pottery class. Like I feel like there's like a vibe about like she wants to class this thing up, this life of hers. That's like a constant vibe I'm getting like I'm even thinking about like she obviously did her hair. She's got a bunch of idiots, you know, chamomile and and crew hanging out outside, but she obviously like put on a top she intended to put on, her hair is done, her chains are just so. I mean, there's another version of this where she rolls out outside in a, in a, in a robe and says you know, you fucking guy shut the fuck up Right. And that's totally believable too. It seems like she's wanting this to be more than it is or better than it is.
Speaker 2:I don't listen. Here's the thing. I think it's so easy to sit back in judgment, but I don't hate Maureen in judgment, but I I don't hate maureen and I have weirdly understand, uh like where it's not like I would make the choices she makes, but something about the performance, something about the writing. I'm like, okay, I have, I know this person, like I've definitely, I definitely there's a lot of this person out there, um, and so I I can't stand back in judgment. Her trying to improve, like I don't connect her to chamomile, that is something she would not typically invite in my mind, like that's like a fringe result of, it's a byproduct of the relationship with Calvin's boy from his first whatever, right so, but I don't see that as part of Maureen. I see that terrible pottery bowl as as Maureen and I see her quitting as part of Maureen. But Dale picks up on that right away.
Speaker 5:That shit's hotter than it looks. What's hot Showing up what? Oh look, you got a mouth on you. You know what? You know who? You remind me of Me? Yeah, you remind me of my Aunt Linda. Oh yeah, she liked to make pottery. No, she liked to make meth. Also left the family, then she blew herself up in a shitty trailer. I don't got to explain myself to you. Yeah, you're right, I'm the one you got to explain anything to. Well, you seem like you turned out just fine. You don't know anything about him.
Speaker 5:My life was very complicated back then. Jesus, fucking Christ, everybody's life is fucking complicated. You know, don't make it right you running out on your family. Oh yeah, where's your family?
Speaker 2:Whoops, okay, whoops, okay. If you didn't guess it, adele stares maureen in the eye and breaks her potter. Just slides it right off the table, while staring at her, I physically cringed.
Speaker 3:Oh, I physically cringed my poor sweet boys.
Speaker 4:This is the scariest scene I've ever witnessed, boss. Oh my goodness, there's been unkindness.
Speaker 2:I cheered. Can we go back to Ted Lasso now? I?
Speaker 4:actually cheered.
Speaker 5:I was like fuck.
Speaker 4:Yes, great job, Del. That is exactly what she deserves. You know, castleton, you just said a second ago that you can't hate Maureen. The character is so well-developed and so well-liked. I understand that I hate her. I do hate her. And also I think what you just said about how chamomile chamomile isn't her deal. My older sister, whose name happens to be Maureen, she and her daughters somehow quote to each other a lot the line from what the fuck is the movie? I will look it up in a second, but it's the one where the two acting sisters and one's in the wheelchair. And the movie, um, I will look it up in a second, but it's, uh, the, the one where the two acting sisters and one's in the wheelchair and the other one isn't um, and one of the lines from there. The woman says if I weren't in this wheelchair, I swear. And she says but you are blanche, but you are. And like that's how. Oh, I think you guys froze. Ah shit, did I freeze? Think you guys froze? Ah shit, did I freeze, did you guys?
Speaker 2:freeze. You froze a little bit, but keep going. So we're just sitting here waiting because we know that for everyone listening the podcast platform we use, every once in a while one of us will freeze and the other two will just nod, so that you can see. I'm like okay, whoever's nodding is probably not frozen.
Speaker 4:Okay, we'll just keep it rolling, no but first time, okay, yes, so, um, the line is if I weren't in this wheelchair, I swear and it was she'd get up and she'd do something. And her bitchy sister says but you are blanche, but you are. And there's a little aspect when you said that her maureen's deal is in chamomile, she's fucking hanging out with chamomile. Her deal is chamomile. You could say that that's not what she wishes her deal was. But what her deal is is that she is living in central Florida on a drug compound hanging out with chamomile.
Speaker 3:No, there's no getting around it.
Speaker 2:No, no, no. She's not hanging out with chamomile, that's not. She is putting too much on poor maureen. She is a. She is a sweet woman who has made some bad choices. She's not inherently a bitch or a bad person. We all make mistakes. There are literally billions of maureens on the planet, like sure and they're all bitches.
Speaker 4:I mean not every morning, no, they're, they're not, they're not, we can't.
Speaker 2:That's a rash generalization we, we, we, I, I would say they can be situationally bitchy, yes, and, and there's a, there's a take on this particular scene where it's so hard when you, when you try to burn a hole in my face with your eyes through the podcasting platform, it's very difficult to focus.
Speaker 4:Let me take my glasses off. Maybe that will help.
Speaker 2:Yeah, just try to drop. I'm going to cede the floor to you, boss, and then you tell me all the reasons why Maureen is as bad as you. Actually, you don't have to say that because we know. It's obvious why. But I guess it's whether or not you have any understanding of it or any sympathy for the situation, or any, if there's any leeway, if there's any nuance, if there's any leverage like sort of where are the gray areas around, where she has control or where society has stripped her of that or not taught her that she can seize control on her own. Help economy would have helped someone like Maureen. No, no, yes.
Speaker 4:that's the whole Maureen is who the help economy would have helped someone like Maureen.
Speaker 2:No, no, yes, that's the whole. Maureen is who the help economy is for. Maureen is like wants to, wants to be a. Potter, she, she were. As as the show goes on, they'll you'll see more elements of Maureen. Maybe we table this until you see a little bit more of Maureen, but in general, that's general she needs help. She cannot see her way out of this. How's she supposed?
Speaker 4:to go Tell me what she has done. That makes you convinced that she doesn't know what she's doing or how to get out of it, and don't just tell me. Well, her life is something that I think she is unhappy with. What has she said? What has she done? In what ways has she attempted to make things right with Wayne or to reach out to her ex? She made him supper, okay. So what I'm saying here is that what she did was 11 years ago, she woke up and walked out on her family.
Speaker 2:And that was a mistake that she made. Maybe it was to save her own life. She says things were complicated.
Speaker 4:How do you know she wasn't living in fear? How do you know she wasn't? So she left her children with the man that she was afraid of.
Speaker 2:Maybe she was Listen. Sometimes people have to make those. Maybe she couldn't get Wayne that day, who knows?
Speaker 4:So she left him with a man that she was feared for her life, left her two children with him and never came back.
Speaker 2:Once she got to oh boss, people are, things are complicated in the world.
Speaker 4:It's not just like I'm not talking about people being complicated or not. I understand that people are complicated and also if what she had said you don't even like kids, boss, you don't even like what she said was that I am in a bad situation and I need to figure out how to get out of it. That's fine, but she woke up every fucking day for 11 years after that and chose to do the same thing.
Speaker 2:Or was crippled by fear or shame and didn't know how to get out. You think that?
Speaker 4:those two things are mutually exclusive. You can be crippled by fear, and that is the reason that you do a shitty thing, but you are still doing a shitty thing.
Speaker 2:You can be terrified. I'm not exonerating her for the action or the resultant choices. What I'm saying is I understand how people can get backed into a corner and if you don't have any skillset to help you amend those decisions, you can be paralyzing. It's like a fight or flight response. She's been frozen for 11 years.
Speaker 3:You know, this is a really actually I don't say it was going to sound sarcastic and it's not sarcastic, I'm serious. This is a fascinating conversation to me and in particular, because I've done a bunch of work on my frankly rage and one of the things I had to work on in doing that was there are perfectly good reasons why I learned that there was a benefit to being able to I'll put it simply go the fuck off. I mean, like, looking back at my life, I'm like like like coach you know, you mentioned it and we talked about Ferdinand the bull and all that stuff Like there were situations in my life where I needed to access the ability to convince everyone within a country mile. I will kill all of you. I will kill every single one of you. Just try me, just try me. That doesn't mean that when people piss me off and I go off and damage is done, that the damage didn't happen or that I'm not responsible for the damage, or that some poor person.
Speaker 3:I saw a meme. I may have shared this with you. I saw a meme where they said you have to heal yourself so you don't bleed on people who didn't cut you and I thought, oh my God, that's all of it right there. And so what I would definitely say is, maureen, you bled on at least one person who we know didn't cut you, a five-year-old who lost his mommy, like, I mean, like let's just get down to like the most basic of basic things, and so all those things can be true. And I've been asking myself throughout this episode did Wayne's dad beat her? Is that where this is headed? Because very violent home. The brother was wildly violent Wayne ain't exactly no, wilton, I mean that makes sense, mr Hernandez.
Speaker 2:There were guys going in and out of there all the time. I I can't be sure that was your dad. You remember that, not that that guy's a trustworthy.
Speaker 3:So that was the landlord but it certainly says if she didn't walk out on happy homemaker situation or whatever. So who knows what all the details were. I'm sure it was complicated, but I am with both Boss and Dell, even if I would not have advised pushing that bowl off the table. I am with Boss and Dell in saying the fact that it was complicated for you doesn't mean you didn't abandon your child.
Speaker 1:Now you may feel you had a reason to abandon your child but your child was still abandoned and that's on you.
Speaker 3:You got to own that.
Speaker 2:I, when I saw, when I saw um, it may have been, so I rewatched Wayne. And when Dell this is, this is totally true when we were we were still doing Ted Lasso, um, uh, whatever. I don't remember what season we were on and I was trying to think of our next show and I saw the line where Del says oh, give me a break. Everybody's life is complicated. I thought you know what Boss is going to like this show. I was like that's the thing. That was the line that made me say, okay, boss is going to be down with this. So listen, I get it.
Speaker 4:And so, boss, you said when Del pushed the pottery, off, you cheered yeah, yeah and also like again, we can table this discussion until later. I am not saying that Maureen didn't have a difficult life or that she didn't have a good reason to leave. I am saying that she did something that hurt somebody that she cared about and when that person came back she wanted to brush past it like she'd never done anything.
Speaker 4:That is unacceptable to me yeah I, I can't forget yeah I can forget for almost anything like there is very little you can do that I'd be like you need to fuck off forever. But again, you need to build the road. I will open the door you need to build the fucking road is number one. Number two you. In my opinion, maureen is still deflecting because dell says walking out on your family sucks and she says where's your family? She's throwing it back in Del's face. Del doesn't have a fucking family.
Speaker 4:Del is 16 years old Not responsible for her dad, not responsible for her older brothers, and Maureen is trying to diminish what she did by pretending that Del did the same thing.
Speaker 3:Maureen is not taking any responsibility. Also, I would add to it that it's an extension of come wash the dishes with me, because I cannot imagine that a boy who ran away would ever be described as running out on his family. There is a part of us societally I'm not saying those three of us on this show there's a part of us that thinks well, del mom died. You may be 13 now, or 15 now, or 16 now, but now you are in charge of getting dinner right.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, there is absolutely that, so it's interesting to describe. Yeah, I hadn't caught that piece. I think that's a very real part of this conversation. I also think Maureen is sensitive to Del's barbs and they are similar, and so she knows what. Del sees when she looks at her, because it's what she sees when she looks at herself.
Speaker 4:And she does not want to deal with that. Yep, so part of the reason that she is reacting so poorly to dell is that dell is not dealing with any of her bullshit and she's that morning has been able to bullshit through everything and she's not doing she's saying the shit that that maureen's inner voice has has been saying and that she's learned to ignore and move past.
Speaker 3:and and I think if she was saying some shit, that she's learned to ignore and move past. And I think if she was saying some shit that she thought, like you're 16, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, really Not. I'm going to use that to like be a shield and dismiss you that the whole vibe would be different. She's pissed when she says you got a mouth on you.
Speaker 4:She's pissed.
Speaker 3:Yep.
Speaker 1:And she's pretending not to be, but she's fucking pissed, she's pissed.
Speaker 4:And I know Castleton's head is going to explode because he hates for the Wayne episodes to go three episodes, but sorry, I need to mention, because we talked about pandemic at the beginning of this episode there was not a study, but a result after the schools went back full time, that the largest gap in achievement was in girls of color, specifically black and brown girls, that they were the ones that, while they were at home and not allowed in schools, that they fell behind the most.
Speaker 4:And then we spent and not we, but like whoever did this study spent a shit ton of money to try to figure out what it was. And the answer is that, because we are racist, people who have jobs that require them to be there in person were more often black and brown people, and because we are sexist as a society, it then fell to the eldest girl to take over the housework and the child rearing while the parents were still at their jobs. So, like it's, it's just that we gave all this shit to black and brown girls and we were like, hey, why isn't your schoolwork is good? Well, cause I was fucking raising some kids while the country burned down.
Speaker 2:I want to make it. I was raising some kids while the country burned down. I want to make it. My first instinct was to make a joke and say like well then, they're ahead, they'll make great homemakers someday. But it makes me so fucking.
Speaker 2:I know that was my instinct but it makes me so fucking mad, like what you just said makes me want to breathe fire like a dragon that these girls out there are forced into this, that their parents have no choice, they're backed into a fucking corner, they have to work. That they look at and say, can you help, help out? And and there's inherent sexism, and they don't put it on boys are probably gaming all day, oh, my phone's going off.
Speaker 2:Boys are probably gaming all day, and you know what I mean. And the girls are left to to do these things and you go it. Just it makes me. Oh, my god, anyway, anyway, I, I, oh it is so. It's so hard to take and you want to, you want to, just it's systemic, that's the whole. Right and I think None of us are confused about why right you go? Yeah, obviously.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you said that and I was like yep, yep.
Speaker 4:Oh, that makes sense. Geez, what a shock, unfortunately.
Speaker 2:Oh, that makes sense, fucking black and brown women get the short end of the stick. I never saw that coming.
Speaker 4:Can't imagine, that's a thing.
Speaker 2:It makes you physically sick.
Speaker 4:It's just awful To what you just said about you know, like the parents needing to go back to work and their parents having their backs against the wall. Yes, absolutely. And I wouldn't say like you're a terrible parent because you asked your eldest daughter to help out. But if they said, well, like, of course you have to do it, the boys can't. The boys need to like play video games, the boys can't. If the parents acknowledge like, yeah, no, this is fucked up. I am asking too much of you. There is too much happening here, I would feel fine with that. If they said, what are you bitching about? I'd be like, oh well, you're a fucking asshole and you better fix that shit. I think that this is another difference between how you and I are viewing maureen, that I think I understand why you fucked up. I'm not saying that you're not allowed to ever fuck up, but you fucked up and you need to own that.
Speaker 2:Okay, and so you're not seeing her own it? Are you seeing her do additional damage by not owning it? Yes, so you're seeing this, you're seeing this version up until this point in the episode, you're seeing a continuation of the damage inducing behavior, rather than a uh, her, her, um owning her role or or um somehow making amends, or.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:There's no age.
Speaker 4:The word is thrown around a lot, but she's still actively gaslighting Wayne by pretending that what she did wasn't harmful. That, oh my God, I haven't seen you in 11 years. Wild, come on in, I'll make you dinner. That's that. That is intentionally deceptive. That is gaslighting in order to make him not feel his feelings. It is still actively abusive on her part.
Speaker 3:She is continuing the damage, that's yeah I mean, I it's not where it went immediately, but you walk me through it and I go, yep, yep, checked out.
Speaker 2:Jesus Christ, that's just because you're a fucking boob. I mean.
Speaker 4:all she had to do was use logic and make an argument and all of a sudden you're like oh, I guess you're right with your.
Speaker 2:Oh my god all his high perfect sat scores and ivy league universities.
Speaker 2:Just a, there's a babe in the woods. Um, uh, no, listen you, you. So you guys uh agreeing does not surprise me. I'm gonna reserve judgment. This it's funny because I want, I, I want to reference the Roy Kent speech about I don't ever know what's going on with people and therefore I choose to give them love, and I do firmly believe we don't know at this point, and you guys have not to anyone listening. Just to be clear, I have watched the entire series. Boss and Coach have not. That may be informing some of my uh views, but it may not be. But at this point, um, I certainly understand how you're getting to that conclusion I'm going to choose to say I don't have all the all the information. I'm going to give her love.
Speaker 3:Well, well, I think it also then speaks to what does it mean to give Maureen love, like even as a viewer right now? Right, I don't want the worst for Maureen. I'll speak for myself. I don't want the worst for Maureen, but I agree that it is bullshit to come face to face with a child you abandoned 11 years ago and cut to. Isn't this nice?
Speaker 2:We're all having supper and she should know that, how she should know that from all the parenting lessons she took. She should know that because she had a great role model as parents who gave her the, the playbook of what you do when you finally see your child after a decade. I'm saying like this is her version of coping and it may not be. I don't see her actively trying to continue to hurt.
Speaker 3:No, no, no, I don't see that and I didn't hear Boss say that she is.
Speaker 2:She says by actively gaslighting she's continuing the abuse. That's what she said.
Speaker 3:I don't think she sees it as I'm going to damage this young man. Thank God he showed up. I'm not done damaging him. I think she is actively making choices that are doing damage.
Speaker 2:Or not making choices that are doing damage. Like I'm saying, I think she's defaulting to a mode of behavior that has given her that's a survivor mode, that has worked for her that has given her.
Speaker 2:That's a survivor mode that has worked for her. And so, in not making the choice that you want her to make, or that I want her to make, or that any normal sane person would want her to make, you're saying that she's continuing the damage. I'm saying I think she's trying to work her way through it and figure out. She didn't wake up this morning thinking she's going to see her child. This is like a lot for one person to absorb and at least give her the benefit of the doubt and say, okay, let's give her a little time and we can revisit. That's, that's all I'm saying. And and I, and maybe it'll get worse. I'm not, I'm not. I know what happens, but, um, that doesn't mean I know how you're going to view it.
Speaker 4:That's a whole different, different thing. Um, yeah, I have feel like bosses. No, I was I when you said what? Where would she have learned that? In all the parenting books that she read? Or in all the lessons that she learned? I wanted to shout how did you find the mess hall? Like, where is it in that book?
Speaker 2:Because we can't pretend. Stop your goddamn memes, coach. Stop it.
Speaker 4:We can't pretend that a society that raised the three of us, that said don't abandon your children and if you do, take ownership for that, isn't also raising Maureen Like she is part of the same no, no, no, maybe you.
Speaker 3:No, she knows-. Maybe you, there's a reason she gets Del's animosity.
Speaker 4:Yeah, she understands what Del is saying.
Speaker 3:How bizarre that this young lady like she knows what the fucking problem is Listen, everybody up here is angry.
Speaker 2:Everyone's pissed off like Del. It's like a function of the New England sort of environment. Even if they're not pissed off, they're internally pissed off If they're not overtly. I told you your disdain and your contempt. And the way that we measure it's like a yardstick of accomplishment is how much you've suffered. You know, hot enough for you, cold enough for you. Even the conversational pieces are all about suffering and misery. And, jesus Christ, when the fuck is this sun going to cool down? It goes from fucking 50 degrees to 90 degrees. You know, seasons are all fucked right. It's how everyone up here communicates.
Speaker 2:So to me, to see someone develop a different skill set, uh, like she, she has decided, she's like sort of figured out this way to gloss over everything, to sort of like like, even when Dell's overtly rude, like unacceptably rude, uh, for some, a guest in your home to talk to you, this should be pitched out on the street immediately. No, no one should talk to someone like that in their own home. I'm not saying that she has to invite her in, but Dell is being rude, dell's being rude. I totally get why Dell's being. I'm not saying that she doesn't have damn good reason and I'm not saying I don't know all the reasons that she's defending Wayne and she's confused herself and she's a kid. I get everything, but Maureen is not lashing out at Del. She's like oh, you got a mouth on you and you guys are thinking that she's pissed, like she's secretly pissed on the inside.
Speaker 3:Oh, I think she's pissed when she says you got a mouth on you. To me that is like all right, little girl, mind your.
Speaker 4:That is, yeah, that sounds like the Boston version of Bless your Heart, and Bless your Heart is wildly aggressive when it's being actually used.
Speaker 2:Okay, so fine, we can agree to this. I don't see her being angry no-transcript.
Speaker 4:it was complicated for me back then, like Maureen, doesn't? You talked about Maureen ignoring the aggression, but Bishop's point was, when Del was pissed, maureen knew what she was pissed about. She knew that it was that she left Wayne.
Speaker 2:Of course she knows Again, this just happened. What two hours ago, how much time has passed in showtime. She got there in the afternoon. They shut the party down. Then she gave everybody the food and they've had supper. That's all that's happened. Now they're doing the dishes.
Speaker 2:She's supposed to totally turn. She's. Oh, my god, I'm gonna. I I've been preparing for this moment my whole life and now I'm just saying like let's give her a beat to absorb and reflect. And even while dell is in her face, about you know, you've been terrible to your son, she she's. I don't have to explain myself to you, she doesn't. First of all, she has every right to not. And second of all, then't have to explain myself to you, she doesn't. First of all, she has every right to not. And second of all, then she tries to. She tries to say listen, it was complicated back then. Without insulting the dead which we get, I'm guessing she had an issue with the husband or something like that. Maybe there was other things. We don't know what's going on, but again, we don't know. So I give her love. And what does that mean in coach's definition? I just I'm going to give her a little space and say if someone has made a life-altering uh capital crime level mistake towards their child and the child shows up.
Speaker 3:I will give her more than two hours to absorb it and and figure out a new methodology it's it there's there something and I don't think we'll find it now and maybe as we go on we'll get clearer on this, but there's something about even how you repeat Maureen's lines, coach, that feels I'm not saying it is inaccurate. I am saying it feels inaccurate to me, like the way you said life. You know, life was complicated for me back then is not how I heard maureen. I heard maureen saying look here, you little shit you don't know. You don't know shit about shit and I'm not gonna fucking answer to you. All right, like I, I feel like there's a little more of a back the fuck up in the, in the unspoken there. Then, oh, dear child, sometimes life is complicated, but I but I think more important than what she actually says or if she actually means that is why is, why are we hearing different things?
Speaker 2:Coach, hold on, let's refresh our memory, all right?
Speaker 5:I'm wrong with that thing. I made that. Yeah, jesus, I did. I took a pottery class at the rec center and I thought it was going to be like Ghost, but you know what? I didn't see a single Patrick Swayze, so I quit. I didn't need that. That shit's hotter than it looks. Well, todd showing up what? Oh, look at you, you got a mouth on you. You know what. You know who? You remind me of Me. Oh yeah, you remind me of my Aunt, linda. Oh yeah, she liked to make pottery. No, she liked to make meth. Also left the family. Then she blew herself up in a shitty trailer. I don't got to explain myself to you. Yeah, you're right, I ain't the one you got to explain anything to. Well, he seemed like he turned out just fine. You don't know anything about him.
Speaker 5:My life was very complicated back then. Jesus, fucking Christ, everybody's life is fucking complicated. You know, don't make it right you running out on your family. Oh yeah, where's your family?
Speaker 3:Whoops.
Speaker 4:I will say I read Maureen's line of where's your family as equally aggressive to Del pushing the pottery off the counter. Those things to me were exactly even oh my God, 100%.
Speaker 3:Interesting.
Speaker 2:Not at all. I didn't see them, as even she never loses her cool. She never loses her cool, she hurls it at her man Wherever Del's family is.
Speaker 3:She hurls that line at her. That is not like oh, where you from. She means for that to fucking go like don't you judge me, you little.
Speaker 2:She's calling out her hypocrisy, sure, but that's not her perceived hypocrisy from Maureen's standpoint. But what I'm saying is, even when she's calling out her hypocrisy, sure, but that's not her perceived hypocrisy from Maureen's standpoint. But what I'm saying is, like, even when she's like oh you know, oh, you remind me of my aunt. Oh, does she do pottery too? She wasn't like.
Speaker 4:That is a deflection. That is not.
Speaker 2:meantime, I'm not saying she's not deflecting. I did say this is her coping mechanism, this is a learned behavior. This coping mechanism, this is a learned behavior. This is how she gets through. But I'm not seeing like the, the aggression that you're seeing, or like that she's full of rage and, oh, she's pissed and she hates dell.
Speaker 3:I'm not getting any of that I think she's just like all right I don't know she's pissed and she hates dell, but I think she is. She's wanting to do, she's wanting to let herself off the hook in this conversation, whether in some later situation she was facing.
Speaker 5:Absolutely that.
Speaker 2:I agree with it was complicated oh he looked like he turned out fine, he just showed up. No, no, wait, wait, wait, he just showed up.
Speaker 3:Of course she is. She's not ready to have this conversation, Okay. But the fact that she's not ready to have it doesn't mean that that's not a problem. That's a problem.
Speaker 4:Also she doesn't owe to have this conversation to Del, it's not. But she's not having it with anybody Because it's two hours ago. It was 11 years and two hours ago she had 11 years to prepare herself for the fact that her son might show up. And he might show up because he has her fucking child.
Speaker 2:You sent postcards. How dare you raise your voice to me after I've raised my voice to you, the only way I can assert my dominance is to shout down the opposition.
Speaker 4:I have to be honest with you. In my family that was like a five possibly.
Speaker 2:Maybe on an audible scale yeah no.
Speaker 2:No, I get it. But but listen, this is great, I listen. I love that we're not going to solve it today, right? I love the passion you guys have for this. I, I don't. I don't say you're wrong, we're going to find out. I don't even know if we're finding out if you're right or not. I don't know if that's like a, it's not binary like that, but we'll. I think the plot will thicken a little bit and then we'll be able to make more of it. And coach rightly points out that I like to do Wayne episodes in two and and we like to ruin your dreams.
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah Well, listen, at the very least we can. We can take a lot of comfort in the fact that this is provoking such good conversation and there's a lot here. There's a lot of depth. The writing is so thick. It is thick in a great way. It is layered and it's nuanced and it's smart and it's funny and it's painful and, uh, there's pathos and there's regret and there's, it's just there's pain and and joy and and all very little joy, but there's, there's all of the different elements that make you understand why so many talented actors gravitated to this script and um, and why I I consider it a just a masterpiece and one of my favorite shows.
Speaker 2:Um, so, uh, I thank everybody for for for joining us today. We're going to, we're going to, we're going to end it there because, um, uh, the visual of what I'll, I'll tell you, cause I love it, the visual that we we break the the bowl, and then the visual that we break the bowl, and then we have a super close-up of a black screen, and then you realize that you're real tight on a garage door opening and, as it opens, you are a subjective camera from Wayne's perspective. And what's the first thing we see here, coach, when this door opens. Do you remember?
Speaker 3:I didn't, but now, yes, it's the first thing we see here, coach, when this door opens. Do you remember? I didn't, but now, yes, it's the car and it's Reggie standing with the car behind him giving the double bird to Wayne. Very, very posed, very, so, so. Actually, this moment helped me a ton because I was like does wouldn't they realize he is there for that fucking car, like or?
Speaker 3:So, this made me go. Oh, they do realize. So it got interesting to me now, Because I was like you could have just taken the car and taken off. But that's not going to happen anymore, Because the element of surprise is very much no longer on your side.
Speaker 5:Right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yes, as I say, the plot will thicken and then thicken again and thicken again. There's a lot coming up as we finish up. Wayne, this is, this is Wayne. Episode eight must have burned like hell. Next time will be part 3. I hope we can make it. We're only halfway through this one, but I swear to God. I swear to God, if this thing goes 4, I will. Long enough for you, I will. Yeah, I'm trying to think what I'll do. I will Probably. Just I'm trying to think what I'll do. I will probably just sigh and go for it, but not a violent man, not a violent man. But yes, we will do our best to crank through this.
Speaker 2:Thank you everyone who has joined us for this. I really hope you know what I love this show. I know a lot of you are. Just for those of you who didn't watch it straight through right away, there were at least 15 or 20 of you that I got emails from who were just like as soon as I said Wayne, they went and watched the whole thing two years ago and that was it. But I hope that hearing some of the audio will make you consider watching it. It is beautifully shot. It is really something that needs to be experienced, and I think there was a great speech by Cora Jefferson at the Oscars who was like instead of making 10, $200 million films a year, let's make 20, no, what did he say? 10, $200 million? Yeah's, let's make. Uh, you know 20. No, what did he say? 200, 10, 200 million yeah, let's make. Um, oh, my god, how am I not doing the math?
Speaker 2:10 20 10, 20 million dollar films or five or 25 million dollar films, and it has that. You know, everybody in the film industry will lament how the middle area you know low-end filmmaking and then middle-end filmmaking just vanished. It used to be a $30 million adult film, it was a thing and just doesn't exist anymore. Wayne feels to me like that type of thing, like borderline art film, stealing shots, done on a shoestring budget. They just made magic happen. We're never going to get more Wayne. This is it. It's it's one season and I think it needs to be celebrated, so I hope truly that people will at some point experience it for themselves and watch the whole thing. Boss, where do people find you If they want to find?
Speaker 4:Raging on most street corners. Also biting my tongue when you said a $30 million adult film. I think you meant for grownups but the fucking pizza delivery guy must have been gorgeous in that movie.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, right, you're right, that is the wrong terminology. I know it's so funny, cause. Yeah, no, no, yeah.
Speaker 1:Film for adults.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what I meant, Like a grown-up movie for humans, like for real. Yeah, you know where it's not like a you know Like something Tom Clancy probably wrote.
Speaker 4:Well, no, no One of those thrillers.
Speaker 2:Even no, no, even less than that. Like I'm talking about, like your um the prestige or um what's that?
Speaker 4:The prestige, the Chris Nolan movie.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that wasn't that expensive, Wasn't it? Uh, no, I'm thinking the other one. Sorry, I get the two confused. Uh, the prestige and the other. What was the other one that was? Um, there were two that came out. Two magic movies came, oh, the one with Edward Norton.
Speaker 4:I didn't watch that one Excellent.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the one with Edward Norton. Can you look it up? What is it? I?
Speaker 4:will Also. While I'm doing that, you can find me mostly on threads. It's emilychambers.31, but also in the show notes you can track me down on Twitter and then other places.
Speaker 2:Love it Coach. What about you, Coach? You're on. You're on mute coach. You're still on mute coach.
Speaker 4:All right, I'll just do him yeah, well, okay, so you already said the adult film and now you're saying you're gonna do it yeah, some something was refreshing as that happened, so I couldn't click anything, but you did.
Speaker 3:Did say you were going to do me. There's no getting around that.
Speaker 2:All my deepest desires, just spilling coffee all over myself, telling all my truths. Just a rough episode.
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Speaker 2:It's the illusionist, yeah, the illusionist. I couldn't think of it so good. Who would think there's two great magic movies in the same year? Okay, thank you everybody. Thank you for listening. We really appreciate you sticking with us. Would think there's two, two great, uh, magic movies in the same year. Um, okay, thank you everybody. Thank you for listening. Uh, we really appreciate you sticking with us for all of this. Uh, I know a lot of you showed up for ted lasso and the fact that you've stuck around to um to join us, for wayne, which which feels tonally very different but has a lot of the same through lines and has a tremendous amount of soul, and um has a lot of heart. We really appreciate it.
Speaker 2:So we're winding down on Wayne. There's two episodes left, the nine and 10. That's it, and so very close. And, boy, if we finish that first, Coach and I, I'll go back and forth about whether we finish this first, but, coach, if we finish that first, that would be first show we ever finished before we. If we do it before we finish, uh, oh, coaches, thumbs down. I'm getting the thumbs down from coach. Oh, man, emperor orlando says no, says kill him. You know that in the in the coliseum. Thumbs up, thumbs down. Of course you do. Yeah, classical education Really.
Speaker 3:Now I feel bad about letting you know that. I'm pretty sure that I know it for sure from Gladiator. But Go on.
Speaker 2:Oh yes, it was my education no.
Speaker 3:Yes, classical.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I read it in the original Greek. Okay, all right, thank you everybody. We'll be back next time with part 3 of Wayne. Episode 8 must have burned like hell. Until then, we are.
Speaker 4:Richmond till we die I'm so disappointed I couldn't think of anything. I was gonna go with a mute joke and I couldn't get there. It's fine next time.
Speaker 2:Okay, alright, good thanks everybody. Double middle fingers. I'm going to take a still shot of this and put it on the community site, and we'll it's so. Just look at that shot, it's beautiful.
Speaker 4:I can't believe this is going to go. Four episodes, just one TV show. I can't believe we figured out enough to talk about Three minutes after the sign-off.
Speaker 2:Okay, bye, bye, everybody, bye-bye, I'm going to go wash the coffee off this shirt. Thanks,