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The Tedcast is a deep dive podcast exploring the masterpiece that is Ted Lasso on Apple TV+.
Sponsored by Pajiba and The Antagonist, join Boss Emily Chambers and Coaches Bishop and Castleton as they ruminate on all things AFC Richmond.
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Producer: Thor Benander
Producer: Dustin Rowles
Producer: Dan Hamamura
Producer: Seth Freilich
Editor: Luke Morey
Opening Theme: Andrew Chanley
Opening Intro: Timothy Durant
MORE FROM COACH BISHOP:
Studioworks: Coach Bishop
Unstuck AF: Coach Bishop's own podcast
Align Performance: Coach Bishop's company
MORE FROM THE ANTAGONIST:
Mind Muscle with Simon de Veer - Join professional "trainer to the stars" Simon de Veer as he takes you through the history, science and philosophy of all the fads and trends of modern health and fitness.
Welcome to our Ted Lasso talk, the Tedcast. Welcome all Greyhound fans, welcome all you sinners from the dog track and all the AFC Richmond fans around the world. It's the Lasso way around these parts with Coach, coach and Boss, without further ado, coach Castleton.
Speaker 2:Welcome back everyone. Welcome back everyone. Um, we are so happy to have you here today. Um, today we are going to be discussing, uh, ted lasso, season 2, episode 12, inverting the pyramid of success. This is part 2 of our discussion. Uh, if you're just joining us, uh, we've put some work into Ted Lasso over the years and we're coming up on the end of this proverbial journey. We hope to jump right in today, and on that end I am your host, coach Castleton. With me, as always, is the. You know, I don't know what, I can't really sum him up because he's wearing this all-white outfit and I told him when we jumped on the call, we jumped in the recording studio. Here I was like you know, you look like God, like he just looks so clean and happy and beautiful.
Speaker 4:This is Coach Bishop, all right, everyone. Look like god, like he just looks so clean and happy and beautiful. Um, this is coach bishop, all right, everyone. Remember the truth will set you free, but first it will piss you off.
Speaker 2:so get ready, here we go oh yeah, I love it, I love it and uh, and with us is our boss, emily chambers I've never been confused for god? No, I would imagine not. Uh, yeah, I would love to. I was going to try to think of a, um, like a lesser known troublemaking deity. Uh uh, one of the one of the does dionysus have a bitch? So a god of uh drunkenness and wine.
Speaker 3:Debauchery.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:It doesn't need to be wine. I mean, the intoxicant doesn't need to be wine.
Speaker 2:Whatever alters my state of mind I'm good with, and, yeah, we'll look that up. So listen, we jumped in last time after about 45 minutes or so of prattling. It's the first time we've ever done that. We generally just get right to the point. And so, for those of you joining us for the first time, we're also liars, and we just finished the Basically. We got through the opening sequence, got through the titles and, as we pick this up today, we are seeing Keely hop out from what she's behind a plant or something here. Boss, you want to walk us through this?
Speaker 3:Yeah. So Keely says oh, oh, those are beautiful. And she's looking at the plant flower it's it's not just like a regular bouquet, it's got green shit in there too, um, and she says those are lovely. Who are they from? Rebecca? Says edwin akufo, and she says oh. And then rebecca, reading the card, says sorry for your loss, and she says oh, uh. Higgins says that was thoughtful of him. He must have heard about your father's passing, at which point Rebecca says I'm not finished, but we will give Sam a very good home in Casablanca. So this is not about Rebecca's dad, whose funeral we covered in episode 10. This is about Akufo trying to steal Sam away for his own club.
Speaker 2:I love that Higgins and kind of obnoxious, yes, but I love that.
Speaker 4:Higgins in full Higgins mode, like this is as Higgins as it gets, says still nice gesture. No, it was not like, just Sure those nice gesture. No, it was not Like, just be sure, those are still flowers, they are still flowers, there's no getting around that. But this was not a nice gesture. But I just love that. He's like nope, I will, I choose the best version of this moment. So there we go. There are flowers. Nice gesture, ok, great, I'll go with that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, now Rebecca asks if there's any. Uh, I love when she goes to Leslie for the word on the street. Um, cracks me up. Uh, you know, he's got his, he's got, he's got a network of spies. He's, he's like the spider uh, spider, from Game of Thrones, just training people to whisper to him at all times. Leslie, any rumblings about which way Sam's leaning, which is? You know, rebecca has a vested interest in the outcome of this decision. And what does Leslie say here?
Speaker 4:Coach, not a peep, and I'm trying to play it chill. So whenever I see him in a hallway I just give him a cool nod, you know like this, and he does his nod and he gets reactions oh shit, that was cool. And he says, I know, right, I saw it in a Denzel Washington movie and I thought, oh, I'm taking that. I laughed at that. I am curious what others' reactions were, because I did laugh yeah.
Speaker 2:Go on. I mean, it's cultural appropriation any way you look at it. You know white people don't have cool nods. That's silly.
Speaker 3:Well, and he doesn't do it cool. There might be some white guys, that can do it.
Speaker 4:But for me that was the funny part. He was like, yes, I could use a cool nod, like it's all so measured. Oh, I've been looking for a black turtleneck and a cool nod.
Speaker 2:And it turns out yeah, it'll go perfectly with my paisley tie.
Speaker 4:Anyway, sorry, it was definitely one of those jokes. I'm getting old enough now that I've shared this publicly that one of my big concerns about aging is I'm starting to find some stupid commercials I'm using. And I'm starting to find some stupid commercials I'm using and I'm deeply concerned, Like far more concerned by my beard going gray. It deeply concerns me. When I watch a commercial I know is stupid and I laugh. I'm very concerned and this was in that family.
Speaker 2:Do you have an example? Do you remember the last stupid commercial you laughed at?
Speaker 4:Damn it, no, and I'm not going to waste our time.
Speaker 2:Is it so stupid that your family is looking at you? I think Like it's so stupid, like Daphne or the kids will look at you while they're trying to figure something out, is it?
Speaker 4:that bad. I am deeply complimented that you think that my family spends very much time around me watching things. So that's just heartwarming, it's just wow.
Speaker 1:A lot of time in front of the TV.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, but Daphne definitely, but I usually share it in context. I'll be like, oh my God, there's a commercial and it's so dumb, but I like it here, look.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but if it's good I can appreciate a good commercial. It's hard to make a really good commercial. It conveys a message. You got a tiny sliver of time to do it. Doesn't feel like you're overly selly. You know there's a good commercial is. I don't like commercials.
Speaker 4:I try to avoid whenever I can. But here's a group. This I wouldn't say these are stupid, but they are silly. I will actually stop my fast forwarding if I see anything regarding progressive. Their commercials consistently make me laugh.
Speaker 2:You're becoming your parents that that whole series oh wow, oh, yeah, yeah I'm telling you it's, it's, it's. Concerning oh no, oh yeah, yeah yeah oh yeah, so you're like oh, you know what, one of those, those, those wizards up at the, uh, the geico factory. What will they come up with next?
Speaker 4:Yeah, I'm not a Geico guy.
Speaker 2:Oh no.
Speaker 4:I'm not going to act like it doesn't have that feel to it, but if I see old Flo on my screen I'm stopping.
Speaker 3:Oh man. Were you one of the hump day guys.
Speaker 4:No, but you know what I think? I was only saved by timing, timing, I think, if you introduced me to the hump day, guys. Right now, every wednesday on zoom, I'd be hitting my contact. I, I listen, guys. I'm not happy about it. Okay, I'm not happy about it no, I, I get it.
Speaker 3:I get it. I get it. I understand. I had to put into the Google search bar what does linked up mean Teen slang? I needed to specify for them that much that that's what.
Speaker 4:I was looking for. I was like is it dating?
Speaker 3:What does that mean? What does that mean?
Speaker 2:What did you find? I know what I think it means, but what does it mean?
Speaker 3:As far as I can tell, it does mean to go out, not necessarily on a date date, but to meet and get to know somebody. Right, got it and then not wanting to link up again is like nope, this didn't work out Okay.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it's reasonable.
Speaker 3:It was that I had to add teen slang.
Speaker 4:Oh, no that, I felt like real old. Oh, I get it Like I needed them to know exactly what I was looking for, Because I went through a phase where I was aware of what was being said, but I was just a little older so it really wasn't my thing, but I could at least use it sort of like ironically or sort of in the right space. But you know, I was older and now I just don't know what the fuck anybody's talking about.
Speaker 1:I found out about a whole dating site.
Speaker 4:Don't ask me the name of it. Every time somebody says, I go yeah, that's the one, I got to remember that. And four times now I've done that and now I couldn't tell you the name if I wanted to.
Speaker 2:But I was like what the fuck is that? You know, people say it's all Greek, to me that's funny. Somebody I can't From a Greek guy. You're just hearing that.
Speaker 4:No, no, no, I've heard it before, but I've never had. It's sort of like when Jade was going to go help her family with the light bulbs and you go, oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's extra funny when you say it uh, anyway, go on, I see, okay, got it. I heard somebody say uh, in in that vein. Um, maybe it was on a show, and I wish I was trying to remember who, who said it or where. I heard this clip, but it was somebody who said he was like it was a man and he said you know, it's like. Uh, it's as absolutely, you know, confounding to me as whatever black pink is and I and you both, you both look at me like it's a, it's a black pink, is a like a band for the utes, like it's like you know popular band and yeah, blackpink, and you can look it up there, boss.
Speaker 2:Put in teen slang after it. And what I thought it was great, Cause I was like I'm aware of, I'm aware of the band.
Speaker 4:I'm sort of glad it was a. I'm glad it was a band is all I can say.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a uh, not a band, I should say it's a not a, you know it's a no one's. No one's playing the banjo. Uh, who's? Uh, who's got a car alarm going? There? Is that chicago today, boss, of course it's chicago. It's always chicago. I love it. Um so okay, speaking of like terrible dad jokes uh, ted walks in, and what does he say here? Coach, this actually is awful, but go ahead, tell us what he says when he walks in.
Speaker 4:So Ted enters hey, what's the story? Paul Shorey, I mean, the man's name isn't even Paul Shorey, like even I went come on now, lazy Lazy. Come on now, thatazy Lazy. Come on now. That's not his name. Like now, we have to like modify the name to make the bad pun work. Even I I've been on board for a lot of shit. I defended the Christmas episode. I feel like I have room to speak. That was bad and I like progressive commercials.
Speaker 3:Yeah, man.
Speaker 4:So like.
Speaker 3:I feel like the issue for me about the joke was that it needed to be a signal to everyone else in the room that Ted was not okay. If Ted is coming with that weak sauce, everybody needs to know there's a problem. But it doesn't seem like the show was leaning into the fact that the joke was a symptom of Ted's condition.
Speaker 4:You're right. You're right. It would have been better. The show sort of breezed past yeah.
Speaker 2:If they had done a reaction shot of everybody being like oh fuck, oh shit, there's no spit on that fastball. Oh shit, he is bad today.
Speaker 4:Then I would have gotten it, but as it is, it lands like a bad joke and that doesn't work. For me it's just a bad joke. That's a good take. I wish you'd been in the room. I actually think the scene would have been improved by that. That's a funny way to identify that your friend is not doing well, their puns are off. It's just a funny yeah their puns. Really.
Speaker 2:That's how you know it's funny. Wellness thermometer is how good your joke is. On entrance, keely says so. Sorry about the article, ted, she's very lovely. Oh, that's okay, keely. You know what they say. Those are saying it's bad publicity, right, although I think they might have been wrong about that one, which is a bummer.
Speaker 4:Because? Why? Because they were spot on with the beer.
Speaker 3:Because they were spot on about that beer before liquor thing yeah.
Speaker 4:And they were.
Speaker 1:They were.
Speaker 4:I stayed in the boat on that one. I figured it might not be universally loved, but I stayed. I was in on that one. I was like alright, that feels like Ted to me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was fine with it. I don't feel like Boss is buying. I feel like Boss is trying to decide whether to hurt my feelings.
Speaker 3:No, no, no, no, it's only that. You watch progressive commercials so you watch progressive commercials. I can't, I don't want to fight with god, but I will. No, actually that's a lie I do want to fight with god.
Speaker 3:Um, I was more so thinking that of the times like, now that I'm an adult, I can have a couple, few adult leverages and be fine, and wake up the next morning like maybe a little sluggish, maybe a little tired, but not I'm dying, not like I haven't vomited from drinking in many, many years. So I'm trying to remember, I think, that there, when I was drinking enough that I was getting hung over, there was no limerick that could have saved me like I was, just it was too much booze and not good enough quality. Like when you drink, honest to god, 10 bud lights over the course of the day, you're gonna feel like shit, even if you avoid the brown liquor altogether I didn't say that you were an alcoholic.
Speaker 2:I just said you enjoy eight to eight beverages a day.
Speaker 4:That's oh yeah, guys, I rounded it down. I was thinking about when I've.
Speaker 3:I was thinking about when I've been camping and, like you, just sit all day in a chair and drink and I 10 is. 10 is definitely not the the largest number of drinks I've had in a 24-hour period, that's for 100% sure.
Speaker 4:I know I've exceeded that. Like I don't even, I don't have to think about it or do any math. I mean, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1:In 24 hours, oh dear.
Speaker 4:God.
Speaker 2:Oh, no yeah, when I was pledging my fraternity.
Speaker 1:Oh Jesus.
Speaker 2:We would drink like. I remember buying like two 12-packs and I'd get through one and a half. Like we were drinking constantly. My tolerance shot up and it was awful and it was like I was like home for vacation and drank a 12-pack and people were like and I was like oh so, anyway, it was like talking normally, everyone's like, jesus Christ, like you never used to drink. I'm like oh so, anyway, it was like talking normally, everyone's like, jesus Christ, you never used to drink. I'm like yeah.
Speaker 3:And now I can land a plane?
Speaker 2:No, it's terrible, but I really like for your gravestone Emily Chambers, comma. No limerick could save her.
Speaker 3:No limerick could save me. Yeah, no, it's either that or Well. It's stupid. It's a line from Rick and Morty, but he says two things I want to make clear to everybody in this room never betray me and it's time to go, and for some reason I've always thought that that would be the funniest. As a dead person I'd be like fuck you, you still. Don't betray me, I will find you. Also, I would like to give a very brief shout out to I know he's not listening, but hey, paul Grimes from my high school, who the one time that I threw a house party, the single time he came in, he sat down in a chair in my living room with one case of beer and he said I'm not getting up until I've drank every single one of these. And he fucking did it. He was 17 years old.
Speaker 1:I don't know how he's still alive.
Speaker 3:We made out a couple of years later. Great job, Paul Grimes.
Speaker 1:Wow.
Speaker 2:You're probably taking that line to sober up. Good job, paul Grimes. Yeah, yeah, beer Before Liquor. Coach, do you know the jingle? I do, I do.
Speaker 4:Beer Before.
Speaker 2:Liquor. Will you tell it for the people out there?
Speaker 4:Liquor before beer and you are in the clear.
Speaker 2:There you go, it's handy, there you go.
Speaker 4:As boss points out, once you go past a certain amount, the rules. There are no more rules. But if you are trying to drink responsibly, as the ads say, yes, I would go with liquor before beer.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, so he says beer before liquor thing, and then he kindly, has not forgotten to bring Boss Biscuits with the Boss here. I mean, like, with all that's going on for Ted, you think you know he might, might, have a hiccup in the programming. Uh, hands him to Boss. Here you go, boss. Thank you, ted. And she says you know that you have Our full support. Um, yeah, I appreciate that. Uh, I still wish I could have done something for that dick. Trent Krim post the article. Oh, come on, trent's a good guy, he's just doing the gig, uh, which is uh marvelous. I, I, this is a part of Ted I really aspire to emulate, which is I, uh, I understand what your job is and you have a job to do. I'm not going to hold that against you and I'm not going to, I'm not going to make you, the enemy for doing your job, that's I.
Speaker 4:I.
Speaker 2:I don't know if I can always get there. I'm like you know what.
Speaker 1:I mean.
Speaker 4:That was the choice he made here, right? Well, maybe we shouldn't. I mean, you know, I was orders, famously Not the catch-all excuse that some would like it to be, but I do like he's got a job to do, that's his job. If somebody comes to him and says this is happening at Richmond, it is actually his job to tell everybody. That's what he does.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and I think I understand where you're coming from with the don't say I was just following orders, but there are times where people do need to expose elements of a public figure's private life in order to serve the public. Yes, and to that extent I'm thinking about the many times where specific politicians have said being gay is wrong, or cheating on your wife is wrong, or all these other things, and then it turns out oh, you're cheating on your wife is wrong or all these other things.
Speaker 3:And then it turns out oh, you're cheating on your wife in a gay relationship.
Speaker 1:Like you, are a hypocrite.
Speaker 3:You are persecuting people. I have to call you out and no. I agree with Ted. Trent was doing his job yeah that's pretty cool.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, no, no, the hypocrites are.
Speaker 4:It's a whole different level of hell.
Speaker 2:Um started to go down that path and I was like let's not, let's just not, no, no, no, like it's so, because it's so common now it's so it's ubiquitous uh, you almost want to skip that part.
Speaker 4:You almost want to go. Oh yeah, do you want to just give us his name, or are we going to do the whole thing this time?
Speaker 2:yeah, yeah, if you say family values, whatever, I know you're banging kids or something Like I don't need to. Yeah, whatever, I just like. At this point you just go. Oh, I'm just so sick of it. It's such a, it's so crazy and it's so like dumb. I never get over how dumb, how dumb, just the level of dumb. Dumb, just a level of dumb. Anyway, we don't want to get more than that. I just can't. We're all shaking our heads. Too much dumb, Too much dumb out there with all the smart that we got cooking. Okay, rebecca, of course she's going to throw her weight around the way that good Rebecca's do. Well, don't worry, I'm going to speak directly to you on the paper and see who the source was. Nah, come on, no need Fact is everything they said was true and you ready for this one boss? Unlike Lieutenant Caffey, I actually can handle the truth.
Speaker 3:All right. So when do we want me to start arguing with Ted's line with how he handles this situation? Do you want to do it now, or do we want to wait until a little bit later?
Speaker 2:I think let's go for it. Let's get it off the table.
Speaker 3:Yeah, let's do it so he is absolutely, completely, 100% wrong to not tell Rebecca what he knows about the source. He is absolutely in the wrong.
Speaker 2:Oh, interesting.
Speaker 4:Okay good, I didn't know that's where you're going to go, but let's oh yeah, I mean I'm interested to have this conversation, but I didn't see the direction coming. All right, here we go.
Speaker 2:Is this a corporate philosophy sort of thing Like rules of engagement? Okay, what a friendship.
Speaker 3:Where is the line? What?
Speaker 2:are we talking about?
Speaker 3:So what he is saying is he knows that it's Nate. He knows that Nate was the source. He doesn't want Nate to be exposed, so he's saying everything was true. I can handle the truth. It isn't only about him, though. There are other people at the organization who have confided secrets in Nate that Nate could then expose to the public if he felt like it. Ted right now, at this moment, knows that Higgins said that he missed the deadline because of the time difference. Roy doesn't read the scouting reports. Beard was on mushrooms. Jamie's dad is an abusive prick and Jamie got into a fight with him in the locker room. After that game. Rebecca has been sleeping with Sam. Rebecca hired Ted to come to the club in order to sabotage it because she was trying to hurt Rupert. Ted knows that all of those things are secrets and he knows that Nate knows some of them.
Speaker 2:But do you have an actual example?
Speaker 3:No, I'm sorry. I stayed up all night and I couldn't come up with it.
Speaker 2:Please come up with a better argument that's fair Next time. Yeah, thank you. No. Better argument um, that's fair next time. Yeah, thank you. No. No, that's a hell of a. That's a hell of a list. Hell of a list. That's a terrifying.
Speaker 4:There are a couple things on that list. I'm not sure that nate knows but. But but none of that uh takes away from your point but he could have heard whispers like I hadn't.
Speaker 2:Well, and also thought about the jeopardy.
Speaker 4:Others are in but ted. But but like, right, yes, ted definitely knows. I'm saying like I don't think, I don't think Nate knows about Sam and Rebecca and I don't think he knows. There are a couple things I don't think he knows, but like, but your point is remains, yeah yeah, I know that Nate doesn't necessarily know those things, but Nate knows enough that now that we've already said.
Speaker 3:Ted repeatedly said I had stomach issues. That was a lie. Actually, what he had going on was a panic attack that he wasn't forthright with. So if nate does let those other things slip, there could be more investigation into what is happening at the club. There might be some things that people have pieced together, like why was sam and rebecca's neighborhood at this? People could know shit. If you call attention to, if Nate tells people what he knows, it'll draw more attention to it. There could be a lot of secrets that come out. There could be secrets on the team that we as the audience don't know yet, that we will find out later.
Speaker 1:That could jeopardize people also.
Speaker 3:Like right now. Ted is still treating Nate like he's not a threat and nate is a threat oh, we talk about this all the time and so good.
Speaker 2:This is your ability to distinguish danger of like you go danger danger, danger like, take it seriously. It's not just a little stupid ted lasso thing anymore. But what.
Speaker 4:but I would make the argument that one reason he, the one reason trent, felt compelled to share and and might have and felt obviously some level of guilt or some such about being a part of a system that would have him do that to Ted, is that Ted isn't the kind of guy who Trent Creme would expect to say the next morning I know who the hell it was, it was Nate and and make everybody go how the fuck do you know that? So I think so. So I agree with you, but I actually think he's in, um, he's, I guess I would say. I feel like he's in a bind in this scene that they don't acknowledge as much as you say. He's like we're not acknowledging that. He's like not letting them know they're in danger.
Speaker 4:I think his integrity is also in question. But I think we should be addressing that. There are these elements and it's not just a matter of well, you know not, nate, I mean he'll come around like babies and cats. You know like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. We're way, we're way past babies and cats.
Speaker 2:now, yeah, I'm with you, not necessarily in Ted's mind, well, no right, but I'm saying because he's going to protect him. This is where, then, it becomes a personal loyalty. So you say like I understand he was disloyal, but that doesn't mean I will be disloyal, I'm not going to turn, you know, I'm not going to, I'm not going to pretend like it didn't happen, but I'm also not going to drag him through the mud when I have. I have a very high, I hold this person in a high level of esteem and I I I consider this a mistake and not a uh character flaw.
Speaker 4:That will continue to continue to happen so, let me, so, let me, let me, let me reframe that a little bit. It's a transgression, it's a departure.
Speaker 2:No, no, I I know what you're saying, I'm saying that's what he's saying in his mind. Uh, he's saying I don't think this is indicative of nate's personality. I think something's going on with nate and he fucked up, but this is not who nate is and therefore I don't see the future, because I'm not at all worried that he's going to start rubbing the papers.
Speaker 4:I'm sure I've mentioned it before, but I watched a series of sports docs on coaches and Doc Rivers was one of them and he talked about a basketball coach NBA now with the Bucs. But before any of that, they did this and he shared that. His first speech to the team goes something like I'm Glenn Doc Rivers, I'm here, I am going to make decisions that are best for the team. You may not. I'm going to make mistakes and you may not like my decision. I may not like it, it may not even be what was best for the team. I'm going to make mistakes and you may not like my decision. I may not like it, it may not even be what was best for me, but you can know that I'm always making the decision I believe is best for the team and I think that sentiment would have to be a part of the lasso way.
Speaker 4:And I do think we've pointed out a number of times where he has put his need to play nice above that, and I do think that's a problem, like I think, like you've pointed it out in other places, because what I, the thought I had here was oh, he needs another. It's okay to care about winning another. It's okay to care about winning lashing.
Speaker 3:Yes, but why? Why does he need that?
Speaker 4:Your point is really spot on On a personal level. No, no, no, there's no personal level. You're saying there's a problem. The team is in danger right now Not in his mind, but that's the problem. Why in your mind is a guy who's willing to sit in here with us and then be the anonymous source to the newspaper? Why are you not viewing that person as a threat, Like I do think that's a whole.
Speaker 2:I would have done the same thing. I would have done the same thing. I this. I would have I would have been there and I would have said exactly what Coach said, which is like there's a level of trust from Krim which I really appreciate and I take that very seriously. I probably would have figured it out anyway at some point. We're going to see you know whatever.
Speaker 4:But even, why stop it? I don't think this is endemic. Say what you were going to say. Sorry, I thought that was a period, not a comic.
Speaker 2:Oh no, no, no, no, it was a period. You were right. You're saying why doesn't he stop?
Speaker 4:Let's say for a second, it's almost like the cops right, if they aren't supposed to be somewhere, they find some shit, then the way it goes is like it can still end up in evidence. This is law and order law, by the way, so don't fucking at me, lawyers, but but I do think there's truth to this, but I think that, but I do think like they can not say shit to the other cops. And if the other cop figures out that that was the gun that was used to shoot whoever, then they're allowed to bring it in, because, yes, I knew it through this fucked up way or this illegal way, but it was found out otherwise. So to me, yes, he doesn't. He is not compelled through his allegiance to Trent and, I would argue, certainly not with any allegiance to to Nate to stop them from finding out who it was and when the shit hits the fan and Trent goes.
Speaker 4:Dude, I told you in confidence he can, in all sincerity and honesty, go. I didn't say shit.
Speaker 3:I understand where you guys are coming from with keeping Trent's confidence, but I think the other side of that is that Trent specifically broke professional and ethical standards in order to get that information to Ted. I don't think that he wanted Ted not to use it. I think that he was expecting that Ted would do something with that information.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's interesting, I think also Castleton when you, I thatleton when you, before you attack me, which I know is your favorite thing, I can see you already licking the blood off your blade.
Speaker 2:But I would say the three of us go out, we have a beer, then liquor and we get very sicker and then you deface, you graffiti up somebody's car. Okay, now the police come and say, hey, uh, did you? Uh? You see, I ever see anybody graffiti up a car and I go oh no, I don't know what you're talking about, officer, because I don't think that we need to hurt the franchise. Uh for a? Um, I wouldn't let you graffiti somebody's car. This is a terrible example, yeah internally internally.
Speaker 2:I would say this is not indicative of this is a mistake. This is not um a, this is not a character trait of Emily's. She was not quite herself. Something's cooking and I will handle it. I have a degree of loyalty to this person and to the organization and as the head of the organization, I'm being Ted Lasso now. I'm the doormat of this particular organization. But as the head, the buck stops with him and it's his job. You know, slowly at the top, he has to hold everything together. He has to make the right decision. He's not gonna spout off, he's not gonna react.
Speaker 4:I think it's like important yeah, but he doesn't respond either though naturally react he doesn't respond either.
Speaker 4:That's a whole other thing. But it's not the same as dragging Nate through the mud. No, he doesn't have to drag Nate through the mud to no, he doesn't have to drag Nate through the mud to go. Hey, if you said some shit to Nate that you don't want to end up in a newspaper or that you're nervous could end up in a newspaper, I would tighten shit up immediately, because it's Nate's not going to say that. But that's a problem, coach.
Speaker 2:That in itself I agree.
Speaker 4:I'm not saying it's not a Is the problem that in itself I'm not saying it's not a I'm saying cause he's not gonna do shit about it. See, I can see saying to the police nah man, I was, I was a drink beer before liquor man, I don't remember shit. Alright, cool, as soon as they leave, I'm gonna be like god damn it Emily too much.
Speaker 2:That's the step. That is the step. Yes, absolutely that's the step.
Speaker 3:We don't get to see right a hundred percent one of the things, but it still doesn't stop.
Speaker 2:The first step is all I'm saying okay, but here is.
Speaker 3:You guys are envisioning this way differently from what I am. You're thinking that he goes into the richmond clubhouse and he's like hey, everybody, fucking nate did this shit, you don't need to handle it that way, what he? Could have done, was told, only Rebecca. And then the next morning, ted or Rebecca and a lawyer from Richmond goes to Nate's house and says you are done with the club, you sign an NDA and we say that you're leaving at the end of the season in order to pursue another opportunity.
Speaker 1:Or you don't sign an N NDA and we say that you're leaving at the end of the season in order to pursue another opportunity, or he's at west and we are announcing no, no, no, no not not yet.
Speaker 2:No, oh my god I'm traveling through time.
Speaker 4:I am sorry, I am sorry and you're right, by the way, that yeah, yeah, but I think, but I am with boss in terms of you still got to do something. No, you're not.
Speaker 2:No, you're not that. You're not with boss to do that. You would never. Why not Dude? No, no, no, no, tell me what's wrong with it. I'm not your dude right now. Okay, wait, you're not. Hold on, wait. Um, I don't know what that means. Um, we're not on a ranch. Um, all I'm saying is uh, I think I, I really this is. We talk about hard lines and soft lines. We're not going to agree about this. I totally get it, boss. I think it's, I think you are. It's reflective of how you see the world and it's very. It can be very, very black and white in certain cases, like he has. He has transgressed, he has crossed the line and for anyone that's listened to season three on our podcast, you will know. All I do is reference this line crossing from Nate and how the. You know the level of, you know, relative inaction from the coaches at large and ted and whatever. So in one way, I'm arguing against myself, but in this moment I still think ted thinks he has it under control.
Speaker 4:That's what I'm lobbying I don't think he does. I think he thinks in his mind. I think he may even wish it, but I don't think he believes it. He knows good and fucking well there's a problem, and he knows.
Speaker 2:Right, but don't you think he thinks he can fix it? Fix what he can fix it how?
Speaker 1:By waiting like he's a cat or a baby.
Speaker 4:Like dude, like clock is done, ticking Like time's up. Yeah. What the fuck's going on with Nate? I don't know, but we got to get him the fuck out of here. He talking to the newspaper, he's the anonymous source, All right, but what would that signify? What?
Speaker 2:would that signify? What would that? That would signify that Ted has made a grievous error and Ted is not ready to accept that. He still believes that he made the right call with Nate and he's not ready to own his own mistake by shitting.
Speaker 1:Nate out of the door.
Speaker 4:Maybe he needs to become a goldfish. Because the truth of the matter is it's not about you, ted. You say it about other things, but you're not seeing it here. It's not about you or your feelings about Nate or any of that. There's a problem. Just like I, I like, I, like Jamie, just fine. But if you come in after I bent you and tell me about your hamstring, you in charge of cones now, fuck that shit.
Speaker 3:Yes, yes, and I think that this is. Then it becomes a bigger issue with the writing of the season than the actual characterization of Ted. This is supposed to be Empire Strikes Back. Ted is supposed to be fucking up. He isn't doing well what he is thinking about here, where he's like oh, I'm going to handle this with Nate, this isn't a transgression or it's not that big of a deal, or it's not that big of a deal.
Speaker 3:Or especially the thing that bothers the fuck out of me, the thing that, like in my own shit, triggers me immensely, is that there are other people who are in danger and Ted is not standing up for them.
Speaker 2:Like. In danger by your definition, not Ted's definition. No, no, no, no.
Speaker 4:I think objectively they are in danger.
Speaker 3:Beard said I was on mushrooms. At a game I am living in a country where it is illegal to smoke weed and I was at my girlfriend's house stoned on mushrooms. Like he could lose his job, he could be kicked out of the country. Beard is in danger if Nate goes to the press with that information out of the country.
Speaker 2:Beard is in danger if nate goes to the press with that information. It's very frustrating that I can't, uh, fast forward and cite outcomes here, um, because ultimately, ted, ted's take on this is, in show terms, uh, validated, oh, I don't agree.
Speaker 3:So ultimately, um, okay, but that is also weak writing on my, in my opinion. My opinion is the show set up this situation where, instead of what is the essay that you argue to say, this was how things would have worked out in real life. These things would have happened, and not just that. I wanted things to be nice, so I made them this way because I am arguing that what? Happened was not just nice.
Speaker 2:It's like this is a, this is, this is the uh, organizational, um, uh version of turn the other cheek, where you say like, okay, I understand that I've been hit and now I'm going to. I'm going to, I'm going to model a different type of behavior than the normal human reaction of walking this guy out the door. I'm going to figure out a way to look at this differently, and first I'm going to analyze how I feel about it and how my role and how this came to be, because this hasn't happened, to our knowledge, in Ted's coaching career, so it's something he's got to think and say hey, listen, what we're going to I'm actually going to. There's a line specifically that I want to come back to, but I really love this and I'm not saying you guys are wrong. I mean you are, but I'm not saying that Hold on, sorry, I'm not going to let that last one slide.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 3:Listen, we need to talk about that specifically. What? What are we talking about? I am talking specifically about how I am saying the show set up the three seasons that Ted is supposed to be fucking up, that Ted is supposed to not be looking out for his team in the right way, not handling Nate the way, that he's supposed to be not paying enough attention to even fucking know that Nate has been abusing Will all season, that he has been checked out and that he is not doing the best coaching of his life, and we, as the audience, need to think like if you're going to pick up players' feelings over a coach's duty, I don't want to drink with somebody that selfish.
Speaker 3:That is what they told us in the first season and in this season, what they're telling us is every single time that Ted turns his cheek, he is right, except in this case. Nate is about to slap the fuck out of everybody else on the team and Ted isn't standing up to him. That is what bothers me. I don't care if Ted wants to turn a million fucking cheeks for every person out in the fucking world, that's fine. He is the leader, he is the person responsible for protecting everybody else on his team and he is leaving them vulnerable. That is what pisses me off.
Speaker 2:Right, that is what he's doing. You want action at this point rather than his. You would say, okay, in the interest of what might happen.
Speaker 3:In the safety of the team.
Speaker 2:I'm compelled to take it. I wish I didn't have to, but you forced my hand because I know it's not like I don't understand your take.
Speaker 4:What I thought when we first said.
Speaker 1:I'm like.
Speaker 2:Lieutenant Caffey? No, no, I was just going to say I thought the issue Boss was going to have was the pro-Jessup-y take, which is Nathan. Jessup was the one who said Lieutenant Caffey couldn't handle the truth, but we know that Daniel Caffey could, so why is Ted taking Jessup's side in that?
Speaker 1:Oh just because that's Ryan's point of view, I get where you're going in that. Oh, just because that's Ryan's, I get where you're going with that.
Speaker 3:I mean, that's just that it's a bad pun.
Speaker 2:Well, alright, I mean, I think he's just referencing the.
Speaker 4:I think this is closer to that than any real analysis.
Speaker 2:He's all turned around.
Speaker 4:The characters. But here's to me we've talked about this when we got I think we landed where I'm about to describe when Jamie comes back to the club and we get a shot of Sam looking at Ted and I remember having a conversation and I feel like you two sold me on. Certainly, boss, I know, was on this hey look, if he decided that, because of bad dads or whatever, that we're going to allow him back in, then that's fine. You're the coach, you get to decide that. But he did owe it to Sam, who shared why he didn't want Jamie there. He did owe it to Sam to go to him and say hey look, when he walks out on that field. That is not a signal that I don't give a shit what you had to say or that you were hurt.
Speaker 4:Here's what I'm seeing from the big picture of it all and this is why I'm making the decision, and I think that fits in with what Doc Rivers said, which is, I think, that's best for the team Right now. In my opinion, ted, frankly, is being about Ted. I don't know how Richmond's better off to not know that there is somebody in this building who has already this is not theoretical who has already sold us out the selling out part is over Sold Ted out no the club Sold out Ted, no, the club.
Speaker 4:If I say, oh, I was with Joe Biden yesterday and he had hookers and blow, yes, it's about Biden, but that's impacting America. You can't just like divorce him from it. Why does Trent Crimm give a fuck about Ted's anxiety? Why is the whole town talking about it, ted's anxiety, why is the whole town talking about it? Not because some fucking guy from Kansas has anxiety, but because the gaffer for AFC Richmond has anxiety. I see.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah, right, you're absolutely right. It's very, very well stated In the room. Because they don't know, rebecca, they gloss right over it. One last thing I want to toss in, coach, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4:One last thing I do want to toss in. Recently in my own life I have been thinking about how, how we can judge things or make our conclusions about things based on who we like in the first place. And it happens in sports arguments all the time. So if I like the person who doesn't have any championships, I argue, oh well, but they did this and they did that and they had all these points. And if I don't like the person with all the points in the chair, I say, well, yeah, they scored all those fucking points, but do they ever win? And I got to say this is an area I have glossed over in my watching, because I love Ted so much and I want to be aligned with Ted so badly that I gave him a pass. But I'm not sure we should Actually. I'm sure we shouldn't a pass, but I'm not sure we should. Actually, I'm sure we shouldn't.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah, I mean, humans are messy. That is how we value things, it's how we rate things, how we are corrupted by our own likes and dislikes. And yeah, we say it all the time Anytime humans get involved, things are going to get inherently messy. Keely says my advice is no press until after the match. Rebecca agrees Concentrate on the big task and on hand beating Brentford. Yes, because if we lose it will kill me, says Higgy Baby. What is that? What is that about? Because he's so close he can taste it and if he gets that close to promotion, his little rabbit heart won't be able to manage. Is that all that is Okay?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think so Okay.
Speaker 2:Please don't lose, ted, I beg you. Hey, don't you worry, hig Newton, I'm on it like a bonnet.
Speaker 4:I feel like I've heard that one.
Speaker 3:I got nothing on that.
Speaker 4:I feel like I've heard that one before.
Speaker 2:There was a bonnet. There was a bonnet one, yeah, but it wasn't. I don't know. Bonnets are on it Technically. Uh, it's just a lot of rhyming. I feel like a lot of them were placeholders. So we talked about this in uh, season two, episode one, and then I've harangued and harped on it the whole time.
Speaker 2:Um, you know you know, there really I just want, I want them to believe in themselves. You know, ghosts believe in themselves. That's the gold standard. And then this is a distant cousin it's still Ted Lasso, but it doesn't have that second tier, meaning it's still fine, it's still very Ted Lasso.
Speaker 4:I know we've talked about it in different places, but I'm wondering and this may be giving the show and the writers now more credit but I'm wondering if he resorts to the rhyming more, because we know he does it throughout, but does he resort to it more when he is under stress?
Speaker 3:so the more he's putting on a performance, the more like where that's when we get, like this scene, which is like just one after the next yeah, it's just diffracting yeah I think that that would be really great characterization, but I think then also we do need the reaction shot from the people that love him, that like pick up on the fact that yeah, like that his game is not 100. But what do you mean, paulie shore? Pauly Shorey isn't a person.
Speaker 2:You're just making shit up now. I know it's Pauly Shore, but Pauly Shorey, pauly Shorey. But it takes rid of the Pauly Right. He says Pauly Shore, right, pauly Shorey, as he said. I thought he said Pauly Shorey, but I could be wrong. Okay, I'll double check, but either way, yes no that would have been great characterization.
Speaker 3:It requires, then, everybody in the room saying silently to each other oh, ted is not doing well right now, ted is bad. I think that is the extra missing from the writing that we needed in order to make this all work.
Speaker 2:Well, rebecca, right away, does what she always does. She cracks open the box of biscuits like it's an amphetamine and she immediately takes a bite. I really like how she dives on in. It is glorious. Except this time. What happens, boss?
Speaker 3:Oh, he did salt instead of sugar.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh God, this tastes like shit. Oh yeah, Well, it was a rough night. Now I'm absolutely positive that it's a switch to salt and sugar. I'm sorry about that. And he goes to, uh, take it back, and this is kind of fun. What, what does she? What does she do here, boss?
Speaker 3:when he goes to try to wait. Wait, oh, actually maybe it's not that bad. Oh, it's a sneaky, salty bitch which, like, listen, she's not wrong. Lots and lots of desserts say finish it with, like coarse sea salt, just a little bit, because it heightens the sweetness, makes it good. Yeah, definitely do that. A chocolate-covered pretzel, give me a fucking break.
Speaker 2:All day long. Yeah, break all day long. Yeah, in the movie film, shock a lot when they put sprinkled a little tiny tiny bit of salt in the, in the chocolate, uh, milk or hot chocolate, it was the first one. You're like, wait a sec, what is this? You know a little cayenne pepper, there's all these like different mingling tastes that, uh, that heighten the experience. I know people put salt on watermelons. Have you ever done that? I've done that.
Speaker 3:I have not, but that's because I hate watermelon.
Speaker 2:Ah well, something tells me it hates you back. Coach, You've done it.
Speaker 4:I have, I like it actually, but you know, I know people have feelings.
Speaker 2:When did you start that? Oh, I was a kid.
Speaker 4:I think it's. I think I remember my mom. I remember my mom sort of just telling me at some point in a similar way, like some people put salt on and me thinking like all right, I'll try that and I did like the. Um, I actually do like that combination like there's, like a salted caramel ice cream. Yeah I don't even remember where I had it, but I remember like yes, and be like oh good god, oh it's, it's everywhere now.
Speaker 2:Salted caramel is pretty out there and it's a very common thing these days.
Speaker 3:There's actually, I read something about how this is why people who like Indian food love Indian food because they have sweet, spicy, sour, all of the spices, along with some heat mixed in there. And if you don't like that, if you're like, why in the fuck is my uh, chicken, chicken, tikka masala a little bit sweet, like some people? It bothers them. Or your castleton and anything above a red pepper is just gonna blow your taste buds out.
Speaker 2:It's not by choice. I love, I love chicken.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, I'll fall over like a plane.
Speaker 4:You need the kids version of it I should have thought of you on this one, coach. I don't know if either of you watches Hot Ones, but I do on occasion. I'm not like whatever, but Daphne's watched more than I have. Anyway, for last year, for her birthday or Father's Day or some such, she bought me the kit. So we've been threatening. We were going to do it, we're going to do it, we're going to do it, and so we lined up the 10. We had some friends over on Easter and so Daphne cooked up a bunch of wings and some wing substitutes for her vegan self and we lined up all 10 and walked through. I found that number eight the bomb easily could have been number 11. I'm not sure who did the ranking system, but I was like God damn, yeah, the bomb, yeah, like I still kind of feel the bomb a little bit like in my spirit, like that was, that was serious, but no, it was fun. But yes, you would have died on, like number three, I'm sure.
Speaker 2:I'm still amazed that, like you had like one and then two.
Speaker 1:Like and then three Like on the same in the same sitting.
Speaker 2:I'm like I just can't even Wait. So did you stop at eight?
Speaker 4:Is that you gotta? No, no, no, no, I did, we did all 10, everybody and everybody finished but eight. You think, oh, everybody, but for me eight was the killer. Now, interestingly, uh, my son 10 was the killer and then he went into a. He's very, he can be very funny and dramatic. So, like at one point he was like laid across. He's like laid on his belly across his chair, like I'm like, all right, get up, he's dying. Point. He was like laid across, he's like laid on his belly across his chair, like I'm like, all right, get up, he's done. Yeah, he was dying.
Speaker 3:So now, I kind of I do kind of want to watch castles and do it. Only it would be like number one is like ketchup and then number seven is like barbecue sauce no I can't I can't do a spicy barbecue sauce.
Speaker 2:Honestly, I can't.
Speaker 3:What about a sweet baby raise, can you?
Speaker 2:handle that. That's sweet though. I love sweet baby raise.
Speaker 3:I just needed to know where the oh no no no, once it starts to get heat.
Speaker 4:Get some heat.
Speaker 2:When you think I can't do. What's the stuff? Everybody shakes on their tabasco, yeah, tabasco can't even do, yeah yeah, it's about like a one, one, three drop, you know, wrist tilt of, of of tabasco, and I'm going to the that's depending on the meal you see me doing tabasco like
Speaker 1:yeah shaking like just so you take, you take the stopper out.
Speaker 4:Exactly, I can't, I can't.
Speaker 2:Here's how I have to mentally, because I usually will cook our eggs and cook breakfast. I do most of the cooking. I know that she likes a little Tabasco, so I have to be careful. I'll throw it on her eggs and get it all. She likes a little heat and then put it down, and actually real careful not to go like if I get a little on my finger oh yeah hit my head on the, hit my head on the counter and and die.
Speaker 2:It's not that bad. I really would. I could do, I could put that in my mouth, but right, that's what she said.
Speaker 4:That's awesome.
Speaker 2:It would bother me and it would stay with me and it would not fit me Also what she said. You're number eight there, Coach.
Speaker 3:Just real quick. Did I tell you guys about in college when we got to do catering for the Chicago Bears? No, they were renovating Soldier Field here in Chicago so they would play all their home games at U of I.
Speaker 4:I do remember that. I remember when they played down at Champaign Yep, yep, yep.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I remember that yeah.
Speaker 3:So when they did that I was working for the catering company through school and we catered all of the games, like the family box and then the meals that they would take on the bus, the actual team members, to the bus, to the airplane to get back to Chicago. Keith Traylor is my favorite player of that era. He one time accidentally caught an interception. Big offensive lineman Accidentally caught an interception and had to run it downfield. The fellow Bears were pushing him along. He was like I can't, can somebody please take this ball from me?
Speaker 1:Like what the fuck am I?
Speaker 3:doing with this. He was amazing. I loved him. They had one of the meals was fried fish and potato salad and a bunch of other like like a picnic kind of type thing. And he is standing with the to go box like loading it up, and he's picks up the Tabasco bottle and he's shaking for like 30 straight seconds and the line is forming behind him and he's still just shaking and like people are starting to get annoyed and he's still going. And finally he looks over at me, dead in the eye, and he's like I'm just gonna take this with me I was like for sure, whatever you need, man, you listen fantastic.
Speaker 4:Take it and go. And he just took a full bottle of Tabasco.
Speaker 3:It was one of my favorite things I've ever seen. I just walked away. He's like this is mine now.
Speaker 2:I love it. I love it. Yeah, she's a sneaky, salty bitch and Ted sort of redeems all of the terrible stuff because he says what here, boss, go ahead, coach, were you gonna say something?
Speaker 4:I was sorry real quick apparently on it like a carbon. It is a british saying so, just tossing in that may have also been the writers trying to add in, a little like his ears have been picking up what's going on around him. I will give more information on that in a moment. I was moving quickly, but I just wanted, before we move on.
Speaker 2:Isn't a bonnet, though, the bonnet of the car?
Speaker 4:It's a car bonnet. Yes, it's a car bonnet.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but do you know what part of the car, the bonnet is? I?
Speaker 4:don't. I assumed a car bonnet would be a car cover, but the way you just said that made me think. No, it's an actual part of the vehicle it's um.
Speaker 3:This is like how they call it the boot, but actually the boot is in the front and the engine is in the back, or some bullshit. They do everything weird there.
Speaker 4:Yeah, weirdos, here we go.
Speaker 2:It's called the hood. There we go. We call it the hood, also referred to as the bonnet in some countries, the hinged cover that rests over the engine bay in the front engine vehicle. What would you like to open the bonnet?
Speaker 4:Gov Not what I would have guessed in a million years. Okay, but there we are, Okay so sneaky, salty bitch.
Speaker 2:And what does he say? Boss, I would have guessed in a million years. Okay, but there we are. Okay, so Sneaky, salty Bitch. And what does he say, boss?
Speaker 3:Oh, that's like Heather Locklear on Melrose Place, right? Although honestly it could be Heather Locklear in most of her roles. Let's get real.
Speaker 2:I don't know enough. I wasn't a huge Melrose Place person, but it seemed like everybody really liked that, especially keely, who says, oh yeah, that's exactly a describer. Um and uh, oh, heather, um, we, we cut to the, to the uh, richmond locker room. I love. Uh, this should not have hit me at all at all. It should not have hit me at all. It should not have hit me at all. And yet you guys know how hard I try to make workplaces fun and enjoyable and culturally great places to be, and I love team building and I love when people feel psyched to be at work, because most Americans at least spend more time with their co-workers than they do with their family and friends, which is, you know, sick. But if you have great coworkers and you love what you do, it feels like Sam feels when he walks in here. I just love that he walks in and it's a bunch of handshakes and he's happy to see people and you know it feels nice to walk into a place and be greeted and welcomed.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes.
Speaker 2:It feels nice to walk into a place and be greeted and welcome. Yes, yes, there was something I realized about when we log into the recording studio. Here I am in the Boston area, coach is in Los Angeles, boss is in Chicago. Sometimes this happened today, where you don't know if our moods are aligned and sometimes Coach will come in like a monk you guys wouldn't, you don't? He doesn't show this side of him as much, but he'll be like deep, deep in thought and he is very intelligent and he's like a soulful person. And so I'm like, yeah, that's not going to play on the air and all I have to do is is just say one thing and he turns into a seventh grader and starts laughing and, and just right away is huge Personality comes out and I'm like that's my version of um, you know Sam walking in and people are like I'm so excited to see coach. It feels like you know, and, and, boss, I'm so excited to be part of this team that no, no, no, it's true. No, no, no, it sounded. It sounded worse than that. Then it came out wrong.
Speaker 2:It's just thrilling to be in a situation where you really admire the people you work with.
Speaker 2:Every time we, uh, we sit here and we talk about these shows, I, I learn something and I get to see a perspective I hadn't uh considered and and it feels like sam feels you just go, god, this is really nice, like it's just really a great place to be and and I love that and I, you know, I you know I'm an optimist about a lot of things, but it would be really nice if people felt that at work.
Speaker 2:You know it's so shitty to feel lousy at work and and then if work itself sucks, yeah, and, and you don't like what you do, and then, on top of it, the people suck and you know you got hump day people, uh, and then somebody's got a case of the mondays. You know, you got that whole dynamic where you go, oh, jesus christ, like it's. You know it, it makes the time slow down. And so when I saw this again, this is a total, just me, me adding stuff to it, but I just loved the choice of sam coming in and being psyched to see his teammates yes to everything there and anybody who's been a part of it, whether it is an office or it is a team locker room or it is like there is something absolutely.
Speaker 4:I've been on tour, uh, with the gospel choir and stuff and with other same groups and there is something about when you reach that point where everybody's kind of like settled in to the roles and maybe some people hang out more than others but everybody's friends. Anyway, I'm with you that that resonated and I don't think it's by mistake that it's at the beginning of this particular scene. I did want to highlight that he is wearing full green and I've talked about how homeland green, sort of grounded green, versus more spiritual with the orange and so on, and so you know, at any rate, I think it's significant that he has on a whole green sweatsuit.
Speaker 2:It is the color of Team Nigeria as well, and he walks in and finds a gift for him and we get an insert of the note. Boss, what does the note say, please?
Speaker 3:Sam, I can't wait to see you in this. Hope you don't mind, I picked out your number E.
Speaker 2:From E Entourage Exactly Turtle don't mind.
Speaker 3:I picked out your number e from e entourage exactly turtle. I know turtle when people say entourage, I'm like I you could say turtle, and that will be a thing that people I've never seen a second of entourage oh god, god, they're, they're see.
Speaker 2:This is why you know, I like watching people, watch shows. We at the, at the, at the antagonist blog, we have a writer who is. She is. I love her so much it hurts, it hurts, hurts my skin. She's like a sister. Her name is Orly Minizad and she is originally from Iran. Her name is Orly Minizad and she is originally from Iran, and so she came to this country, has a totally different out the way she sees things. She came here when she was 12, moved to Los Angeles and has such a just her outlook. It's so, it's unbelievable. I've never met anybody like her, the way she sees the world, and she's never seen a lick of Game of Thrones. I'm dying, dying. I am dying every. Every time we have, uh, writers staff meetings, we just say we gotta just all of us watch orly, watch game of thrones. And boss, you would hate entourage.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I mean hate like I watched about maybe two seasons. I'm trying to remember when I stopped, but yeah.
Speaker 3:Well, the biggest problem is what's his face? Who's the Adrian? Somebody or other who plays the lead character?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Whatever his name is, I made the mistake of reading one of the most unintentionally hilarious celebrity interviews with him ever, where he was talking about his work to environmental work. Very respectable thing to be involved with. I don't knock him for that at all. Good on him for doing it. He did at one point yell at the waiter because the waiter brought a drink that had a straw in it.
Speaker 4:She's not okay.
Speaker 3:You don't yell at the waiter Come on, and maybe he didn't yell, but maybe he's just like. I told you not to bring me a straw and there was a straw. He was pissed about it and then he said to the interviewer there are enough straws used every year In the United States To fill 40 school buses. Those school buses should be taking kids to school. School buses, those school buses should be taking kids to school.
Speaker 1:And I'm like sir, that's the best quote I've ever heard. No, no, no.
Speaker 2:Yes, they do.
Speaker 4:They take them off and they take all the years just to make sure, because it could be 39, it could be 41.
Speaker 1:It's not Adrian.
Speaker 2:Raniere's fault, that you don't understand school bus straw.
Speaker 3:Oh, my fucking God Forage procedure. Those buses should be taking kids to school.
Speaker 4:That reminds me Once I was at camp and they were doing the whole thing where they're like. You know, it takes this much, takes this much land. Essentially, you have to use this much land to produce a pound of beef, but this much land to produce whatever the crop was and to give a pound of whatever that was. And this person with great conviction in my group went nah because it's a pound is a pound is a pound.
Speaker 1:Oh God.
Speaker 2:That's true. A pound of feathers drops just as fast as a pound of bricks goes. A pound is a pound is a pound.
Speaker 3:Yep, nope, there it is.
Speaker 2:I think you guys just have it wrong.
Speaker 4:I still hold on to a pound as a pound, as a like. I feel like political discourse at this point has reached a pound as a pound as a pound, where I just go like I don't you know how far I would have to go back to get you to understand what's going on here, like jesus christ I have to go so far back to undo what I'm experiencing right now. Wow, yeah, there you go.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the taxonomy is troubling. I will say, yeah, akufo signs this note. It's his paper, it's, I would say, letterhead, but there's a you know, it's expensive Stationary Card stock yeah, stationary with his name at the bottom. And the way that he tries to foster closeness by I'll shake your hand, I won't shake you know white boy's hand or whatever other people's hand. I took it as a black, white thing, but maybe it's not. Um, the way he'll say like oh, you get to call me e, like my friends call me, like you don't have to say you know, you know the dwin that's for strangers. You and me, we're gonna. We're gonna build championships together.
Speaker 4:We go we go way back to two weeks ago on our fake date I mean yeah, shit right, right, exactly right, um.
Speaker 2:So sam sees this, uh and uh, he's like oh okay, what is this? And uh, coach, he opens this box up and what is it?
Speaker 4:it is. Theoretically, his jersey says obasanya and has the number 10. He we've already had the apology for choosing the number, which is a big deal for a lot of athletes, so that was a nice little touch and uh, but it looks, it looks amazing and it's meant to look amazing, and it's meant to make him envision himself, you know, playing for casablanca, casablanca. So it's like an extension of that speech, right, like it's like imagine it. So, yeah, definitely. And what's the why 10? I don't know why 10?.
Speaker 2:Why did he choose 10? Aren't you supposed to be an expert on Roger Casablanca?
Speaker 4:Absolutely 100%.
Speaker 2:No, I really don't know why. 10. Some of us can't stop harping on our Ivy League education, I assume you don't know that here, boy Like what. My whole life is dedicated to pointing out stupid shit, you don't know, I thought you were here.
Speaker 1:No, that was Coke Zero.
Speaker 2:I know you so well that you saying that makes me think of the story where, after you graduated, you had to take a fucking soul drinking job, I promise.
Speaker 4:I will talk about the job at Lenders Bagels, I promise, but let's not do it now because it takes a while when I get fucking rolling on that one.
Speaker 2:I love it. I love it. So he gets this jersey and looks around, covers it up quickly. Now we cut to the office. We get an insert shot, Not an insert. We just get a single of Coach Beard. What's he reading there? Is that the?
Speaker 3:I think it's Pyramid of Success. Yes.
Speaker 2:Which is interesting, because what's the title of this episode?
Speaker 4:That would be Inverting the Pyramid. But isn't the name of the book Inverting the Pyramid?
Speaker 2:I thought so, so I think none of this matters.
Speaker 4:Well, I believe, and I can do some Googling I'm running with that verb now, but some Googling about this in a moment. But I believe Inverting the Pyramid is a book about advancement in football F-U-T-B-O-L strategy, because I feel like I oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Inverting the Pyramid Right.
Speaker 2:But then the Pyramid of Success is the John Wooden Right that we, yeah, yeah, inverting the pyramid, right, but then the pyramid of success is the John Wooden Right that we've talked about Right so it's a mashup of those two concepts, right, yeah, jamie, we've talked about this many times with certain characters. We just don't see them together, as often we get Jamie Tartt poking his head in and Coach, can you walk us through this little, this little interaction here?
Speaker 4:so beard hits him with I don't hear any grunting. Jamie's got the information he needs and he walks out. Ah, and he walks out. Hey morning, nate walks in, totally not nervous. What would he be nervous about this morning, like no, everything's fine, he's got nothing to worry about. Sure, morning Nate. He gets back from Beard Is Roy here? No, and then Beard picks up the magazine I mean the newspaper in a most pointed way. The magazine I mean the newspaper, in a most pointed way flashes the Ted cover-up story complete with a picture of Ted there. This is Trent Crimm's article. You seen this. And Nate, ever the smooth one. Yes, oof, it's awful. Yeah, oof, it's awful. Yeah, yeah, it was awful. And I appreciated Beard at least saying something. But I also appreciated that he didn't go all the way there, because Ted has made it clear that's not what's happening here and he still seems to be holding back on. Like I will rip this guy's head off, just give me the word.
Speaker 4:So, but I think, letting Nate know I know you, I know it's you and you are full of shit, so at least we understand each other that much. I know it was you. That's what I got from the exchange.
Speaker 2:No, it was you afraid.
Speaker 4:No, really I mean. What do you think I mean?
Speaker 3:I absolutely knew you were going to do that, did you really? Oh, 100%.
Speaker 4:That's great, that's great, that's great.
Speaker 3:I knew that was coming.
Speaker 1:That's great I mean, I love me some Godfather, but I didn't see it coming.
Speaker 2:It's just obvious. Yeah, I wonder why you respect this. It's so interesting to me. And I'm guessing then that the walk and talk well, I don't know actually, because they didn't really talk he says, no, I don't know what you're talking about. We see it in his back pocket. So maybe he didn't talk with Ted about it, but he's just inferring what he knows about Ted to say, like Ted's handling this, it's not my place to handle it. I'm guessing.
Speaker 4:That's the way I took it. I mean, I'm curious if else, but that's the way I took it is like if it was, he didn't feel handcuffed. Right now nate would be picking up his teeth right.
Speaker 2:I think if this, if, if I was uh ted and you were beard coach, I think nate would be up against. Oh my god, I'd have to come in and break it up yeah, yeah, right, like I don't think so. So this just shows an incredible amount of restraint on Beard's part, but he clearly no, he's not. When Jamie walked in, he didn't show him the paper.
Speaker 4:No, no, no, this isn't just the topic of the morning. He had it there for this moment. He was like, yeah, fuck that. Yeah, no, I'm for sure.
Speaker 3:There are a couple of things about this scene I need to address because it does bother me. I feel like this is one of those times where the writers wrote something and they're like, yes, this is how we set up this thing for this thing, for this thing, and there needs to be somebody else. That comes in and was like well, wait, hold on, how did you get from point a to point b? Because jamie comes in and he's like oh, roy around. And they're doing that because they want Nate to come in and say, oh, is Roy around? Because in the last episode, nate tried to kiss Keely. So Nate is about to see Roy for the first time after trying to kiss his girlfriend. He's like Roy's going to fuck my shit up. Why is Jamie nervous right now? Because he told Keely that he loved her at the funeral.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 3:And then saw Roy in the last episode and wasn't weird and wasn't uncomfortable. And then at the end of the last episode then Keely told Roy what was going on. Does Jamie have any idea that Keely told Roy then why?
Speaker 4:was.
Speaker 3:Jamie, not nervous earlier? Like all of a sudden, jamie is nervous about Roy, knowing that he told Keely that he loved her, but it doesn't make any sense in the timing.
Speaker 1:I get why the writers had to. I guess. Yeah, I don't know if it was annoying. I don't know if it was annoying, adam.
Speaker 4:It was supposed to be that kind of deal or whatever. I get what you're saying. The fact that on the same morning these two are, you know, ready to face the music with rory does seem a little coinky dinky. But yeah, I I took it as jamie's been dealing with this and realizes like fuck, that's not who I want to be and so this was him kind of responding to that. Um, yeah, but he definitely doesn't. There's definitely not been any communication with keely and I won't share how I know that. But there you go On my way back from other seasons. I stopped in there.
Speaker 3:It does just feel a little bit. Part of what bothers me about this scene that we're going to see actually in a second is that Beard obviously knows that it was Nate.
Speaker 4:He knows for sure. Yeah, no question.
Speaker 3:How do Roy and Higgins not have any idea that it must be Nate? That's an interesting.
Speaker 1:Unless.
Speaker 2:Roy doesn't even read the playbook. Roy's like he's a lost idiot.
Speaker 4:This is interesting. This is different, it is interesting.
Speaker 2:I'm not, no Higgins. I don't expect Higgins would. Higgins is not plugged in on that level.
Speaker 4:I don't think Higgins could fathom that Nate would do this. I don't think he would be as in touch with how Nate has been veering off the path he comes down for Diamond Dogs meetings or whatever. But I think some of the stuff that's been going on it's been more Beard and Roy who've seen it directly, so I can see that. But your question about Roy is interesting and he does strike me as a kind of my dad used to do this thing where it was all sorts of things but he would say to to me. I got my eye on so and so and that meant like we are full alert, watch this motherfucker, and um, and so I. Roy strikes me as the kind of guy who has that to him. Who's like.
Speaker 1:I don't trust he. Keeps his head on a swivel. Yeah, you know what?
Speaker 4:I'm saying I don't trust X, and that means I don't trust X. He keeps his head on a swivel. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? I don't trust X and that means I don't trust this motherfucker period. Now, like that's it, and so it is. I would be curious what the explanation is for Roy not saying like anonymous source.
Speaker 3:What the fuck? Anonymous source. Well, especially because there were five people in the room who know about what was happening with Ted. I think anybody who has any experience with that group of five people would know Ted didn't do it because Ted was the one exposed Beard fucking did not Absolutely Everybody knows he soon killed Trent Krim to kill this article. Absolutely, which means that both Roy and Higgins are left in the position that they know they didn't do it.
Speaker 3:They know the most reasonable explanation is that it was either Roy or it was Nate and anybody looking at the situation you would know it was Nate. Like, even if you didn't know for sure the way that Ayer does you would know it was Nate.
Speaker 2:You know it's funny, even if you didn't know for sure the way that beer does. You would know. You know it's funny even if he didn't right. That's very, very, absolutely excellent, unassailable logic. I I would say, when you're starting to go down this rabbit hole, I'm like, oh you know what, if this was real, like really roy kent, he would walk into the building calmly, he would round up everybody in the building and he'd put him in a room and say someone's getting their head butted. You know, like he would be, like there is right it.
Speaker 1:Like I don't know which one of the sources like.
Speaker 2:Let's say, he didn't know he would, where no one's leaving here until I know who it is, and then you're dead like I don't care who. What we're gonna like. You know what he which wouldn't. He wouldn't just take this yeah sort of you know, sitting down, this would be a real transgression, like on a different level, for roy, because of how he was raised and who he is and what the sport means to him and the sanctity of the locker room and all. It would be, yes, a criminal, criminal event for him.
Speaker 4:You're right so like, if there's anybody who expects the sanctity of a locker room, right, it's definitely Roy, and he gets what they've built here. He realized when he wasn't participating in it. He then decided to participate in it. He gets it, and he's been in enough locker rooms that, like you cannot have this, you cannot have this. Theoretically, this story could be the beginning of the end of whatever it is they think they're building here, because if people can't trust each other, you're done, you're just done. That is true If you don't have trust. I mean, you know, I have a whole thing about organizational development and Ted Lasso and I am going to get to some of that work. I've been thinking about it recently, but they've studied it and what makes the most high-performing teams the most high-performing? It's not degrees and it's not experience and it's not a lot of things. It's psychological safety. That's what seems, and it's not a lot of things. It's psychological safety. That's what. That's what seems to be the difference.
Speaker 4:Is that right, yeah, psychological safety is the thread that goes through, and if you're interested in this kind of stuff, sean Acre was like this. Harvard professor has a book called big potential that talks about this and some other things too, but that's the deep.
Speaker 2:We'll post it on the community site. It's amazing. Luckily for humanity, it only applies to teams. Right, of course Not families, if you grow up if you're like no, not families, no, just soccer teams. I'm sorry, what teams? Football teams. So.
Speaker 4:I didn't know I was on the. I didn't know I was on the podcast with an ugly American.
Speaker 2:So snobbery. So, beard Roy walks in and says Jamie's looking for you. Oh, is he? Roy walks into the locker room jamie, jamie is, uh, chatting it up as his back to the the office. Whenever we hear an oi, we know it's roy or keely. Um, this particular brand of oi, um, probably makes half the players in the room squeeze out a chocolate potato. And then he says Todd, which me, I like. Jamie turns around and goes everybody, everybody scramped. Do you see how?
Speaker 1:everybody abandoned Scatter.
Speaker 2:We're like.
Speaker 4:I don't even want to catch any fucking roy can't trap.
Speaker 2:No, I am out yeah, yeah, no, no, I don't want. I'm not here for the residual damage of having been near. No, no, no, no, whatever dumb shit. Jamie and and I like thes gives him a head like this is where your execution will take place. Holy shit, I'm here for this. I just love this stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's even Danny, who you know. Football is life, it's full of joy. He's looking at Jamie like I don't know what you did, but you're, you are a dead man, exactly.
Speaker 4:You are about to die. Adios, amigo.
Speaker 2:That's exactly right. There's no. This is a foregone conclusion. I do not know what happened, but I do know that your life will come to an end. Um, he's like uh, through there, all right, uh, although the door, so we can't, can't, whatever, okay, like it's just every, every little piece of this is is chef's kiss Beautiful. Jamie goes as far as like, as he's walking around, to turn and look at Roy to see am I about to get clobbered?
Speaker 4:or will he wait till yes? Yes, he doesn't want to turn his back to me. I laughed out loud. He was like, oh, you're behind me now, like I don't like that tone, and behind me for sure. That's no good, that's so funny.
Speaker 2:Everybody's still staring Every second of the walkout. They're all watching. You know what's happening. We see them. We cut to them entering. We're inside the room with camera. As they enter, jamie looks very worried. Roy is is laser focused. He's, he's boring a hole through the back of jamie's icon hat.
Speaker 2:Um, as they enter this room, and then, um, we, we know what's going to happen. Uh, because we grew up in an era where some, you know, there, there is crime and there is punishment and uh, you, you know when, uh, when men get together and one man has, has, uh, broached etiquette, he's, he's gonna get hit. So we know for a fact, you know, this is going to end up with Jamie being bloody and he deserves it. Right, that's the expectation. Walking into this room and then, before Roy has a chance to take a swing or, you know, bite him or God forbid, like.
Speaker 2:I don't know what roy is capable of, but I'm not gonna put limitations on it. Um, I just know jamie's in real physical danger. You want to talk about having having a, um, a sense of, of imminent danger. Boss, this, this jamie's in trouble here. And uh, boss is nodding and he turns around, says wait, wait. Can I just say something first. Okay, which is, uh, it's already shows, uh, copious amounts of growth from roy? That the answer is yeah, right, like I think, like think, while Jamie was saying that old Roy the head would have already been coming at his.
Speaker 4:Right in the mouth, he would have already busted a tooth.
Speaker 2:How's that for what you can say? Now, you can say it. When I finish putting my fist in your Whatever and finish the thing, roy says, yeah, okay, that's a good idea, because when I'm done, because when I'm done, what coach?
Speaker 4:You won't have any teeth left and you'll need them for the talking bit. I was like, oh shit, that's an interesting thing to have someone say to you. Interesting yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean this is not since the heady days of the Splendid Cricket Pack. Up the rectum from Rebecca. Have we seen like Right right?
Speaker 4:right.
Speaker 2:We haven't seen like this level of like I'm going to knock your teeth. The teeth particularly gets me queasy when it's that type of, you know, when it's like a. Anytime there's like a oh yeah, that's a. You know, and Wayne, there's a thing where before your father got his teeth knocked out down at the you know that hockey rink in Taunton, I'm like oh, that's a permanent disfigurement, like that's a, you don't come back, you don't grow new teeth right.
Speaker 2:So yeah, you can get them fixed, but you've had your yeah yeah it's, it's intense, yeah, then right, it's a skin heals a punch in the cheek, but like anytime, it's teeth. I get real ugh anyway, I get a. This is all American History X kind of.
Speaker 3:You know I just go, oh god I think maybe the death was a little bit worse than the teeth. No, no, no teeth. That makes sense.
Speaker 2:Stay on message please, I can't, okay, I can see that. Um, okay, in the face of this, jamie knows like, he knows this, and he, and he's a kid from the street, he's not like a, he didn't grow up affluent, he doesn't you know, he understands what this is. Um, and he's like right, yeah, okay, like, okay, yes, I know that's the next step. I actually was like kind of impressed with the calmness in the face of that, because I probably would have been thinking like I would like looking for like a towel stand or something to like put between me and imminent attack. I would have been like, oh shit, like, but he, but he's just like, okay, yeah, I know how this goes, I know what I've done. And then, what does he say here, boss? What is Jamie's speech to Roy?
Speaker 4:He says I just want to jump in real quick. I felt he didn't know quote what he did. I thought Roy's pissed about something. I will deal with, whatever that is, and the teeth I'm going to lose after I say the thing I've built up to saying, and that's why I've been looking for Roy all morning. So I didn't assume Jamie thought that Roy quote, knew. I just assumed. I thought that Jamie figured I did something wrong that I'm about to hear about, but not necessarily it was that.
Speaker 3:So I guess I'm curious if y'all assumed he he was like oh god, roy already knows what I did yeah, I think as soon as they had to leave the room that Jamie would know, because if it was something about the team, roy would have called them out in front of the team if you fucked up at practice yesterday, tart, you're running laps today, or whatever it is and he would have dragged them in front of them, but if it's done in private
Speaker 3:it's about Keely and what he says about Keely is so at. At rebecca's dad's funeral I told keely that I still loved her and it was wrong and I shouldn't have, but I ain't used to being around dead people. It just it did something to me emotionally, you know, but I still have. I shouldn't have done it, it was wrong, but I just need you to know that I respect you and I respect Keely and I respect your relationship and I will never, ever, do anything like that again.
Speaker 3:Ted has begun handling conference or lack of confrontation in the second season is that? This is very reminiscent of Rebecca's apology to Ted in this first season, and this is, oh, good point. I feel like this is one of the most emotionally healthy ways to deal with, uh, uh, an incident where you feel like you've been wronged. You go to the person who you feel hurt you and you expect to talk about what happened and the other person if they're not a total asshole will take responsibility and apologize. I think that sometimes, castleton, you get the impression that I am like, oh, that person is a bad person. They're dead to me. Fuck up, fuck off forever. Go to hell. Maureen mcnulty, I think anybody is capable of redemption and forgiveness, but you need to do the work in order to get there. I think I truly believe giving somebody that forgiveness before they've done the work is morally wrong. It's not just that I don't like it, it's that I believe it is unethical to do that like I'm.
Speaker 3:I'm serious about it, it's and like, like little things, sure let people off the hook all the time I'm serious but, honest to god, if roy had gone in there and jamie had been like, well, fuck, fuck off, I didn't do anything wrong, keeley's fair game, you guys aren't married and Roy had forgiven him after that, I've been like, roy, you're fucking up, you're fucking up for your boy. You're supposed to be telling him and calling him on his shit and telling him that what he's doing isn't acceptable. When it isn't acceptable, you can't say, oh, it's fine, okay, you have to call them on that shit, and that's why it bothers me so much with Nate and why I think this is so much better of an example Coach before you jump in, I also know you and I, you and I, boss, share a.
Speaker 2:we are completely simpatico in the world of apologies, yes, and that we totally agree about how to do an apology. And I'll give you an example right now. Everyone knows about my unabashed love for the United States women's national soccer team. For the first time, there's somebody on the team, a new player, young player, it's only 22 who is not aligned with a lot of the positions of the team pro LGBTQ, you, you know she's, she's um, she's a young kid. You know she's 22, you know, still learning the ropes, comes from a family that you know they did a tick talk about making fun of pronouns and it's bad. The optics are real bad and to the point where she'd liked a post that made fun of um when, when superstar Megan Rapinoe was injured. So you got this young kid on the team. Um, who, who? Just, yeah, yeah, that one was bad. That one was like, just as an athlete, you can't lever like, you can't, you can't just understanding what that means for someone. It was basically the end of her career, yeah, so, so there's been a lot of fallout from that and she posted an apology and the apology used the language I'm sorry if anyone was offended and right. Yep, I knew it.
Speaker 2:The passive voice and an apology is totally unacceptable. I knew it. The passive voice and an apology is totally unacceptable. You have to identify what you did wrong and you have to own that. You did it. The choice was made by me to do this and here's what I'm apologizing. You've got to isolate the incident. You've got to be very clear about this. Anytime someone uses the passive voice, I'm like great, it's a PR, it's just PR. You're pissed off. You got you. You, you got caught and now it's damage control. Now I have um.
Speaker 2:It's funny because this then goes into all the fans and all the people are um, uh, you know, railing to see if she should be thrown off the team and stuff. And then I got in a huge uh conversation with my daughter and some of her friends who take this course at college about um, women's uh, you know, uh rights and and um, and I was talking about like you know, whether or not uh, her actions mean like, should she be rated for her like social media posts, posts specifically as an athlete, or should she be rated as an athlete on the team based on what she does in the field, and how does that if we flip it, if we say, okay, let's turn it around, how does that reflect on, let's say, blackballing in Hollywood oh, you're a communist and therefore you, you should never work again. And and how these things can bite back if you, if you're not careful, there's unintended consequences. Sure, we don't like her messaging um, but I was again from of the opinion of you know, I was an idiot when I was 22, I was an idiot when I was 42.
Speaker 2:Um, uh, uh, it takes.
Speaker 4:I like your hopeful use of the past tense, but go on.
Speaker 2:Thank you. But she's she's going to be surrounded by people with with alternate viewpoints than the one she was raised with. And you know, nothing would show me more success than someday for her to be able to do an interview and be like I didn't know, you know, I, I, you know. I don't want to throw this girl out and say this is 22. She's a woman I shouldn't say girl but young woman, but still learning the ropes the first time in this type of stage and platform, and we hope that we can show someone like her just another viewpoint. So Jamie's apology was a good apology. He owned it, he took responsibility, he called out what he did and he said how he was going to go forward. And it will not happen again. That's right.
Speaker 4:That last part I gotta jump on. I'm sorry and I'll be quick. That last part is huge. Don't tell me you're and I'll be quick. That last part is huge. Don't tell me you're sorry.
Speaker 1:And then do it 10 more fucking times.
Speaker 4:Yep Like seriously yeah so that last part is humongous.
Speaker 3:This is how I will change my behavior going forward absolutely yeah and um, I'm not sure I don't know the name of the player that you're referring to, because I don't follow it that closely. The only thing that I'll say is I 100 think that she can change from this. I don't doubt at all. I thought stupid shit when I was 22. Also, I fully believe, especially it like. I don't mean to get stereotypical here, but there are a lot of women who are into women in women's soccer, like that sort of that. They're all hanging out and dating and I think it's amazing and I love it. You are not going to be able to work in that environment and have anti LGBTQLGBTQ beliefs, at least not comfortably with your other co-workers, because your co-workers are going to take that personally, because it's about their lives.
Speaker 4:Well, also, I think, publicly articulated as well.
Speaker 3:Publicly articulating is fucking wild.
Speaker 4:You could work on your own discomfort, but now you made it uncomfortable for everybody else.
Speaker 3:Right, and so I fully believe she can change for the better and become more accepting and more understanding. I am not going to give her credit for being there if she's not there yet. Where she is right now is in a place where she has professed beliefs that I think are incompatible with her job, that I don't agree with. That I can't stand by. She might change. I am giving her room to change. I'm saying she hasn't changed yet, like I'm taking that reality of her situation and saying that I guess I'm already forgiving her and saying and she's the greatest person ever no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2:I have reservations because of the way it's couched in religion. You know this is like, oh, my religion. You know it's like it's not. I just wish you know again. We don't want to go down this rabbit hole, but you know a lot of people who profess to be members of certain faiths should really read the text of those faiths.
Speaker 4:You would think that would be involved in the process, but okay.
Speaker 2:It, just it, just you. Just I know we have, we have. We have some very, very religious folks that follow the show and are listeners, and we have. We have actual priests and rabbis and the thing we always say is you know, just if you're going to be a spokesperson, for you know a certain faith or whatever. Make sure you know what you're talking about, because the Jesus I'm familiar with bears almost no resemblance to the Jesus of today.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, I totally feel like you don't think Jesus would like a post about somebody's career-ending injury.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I feel like that was in the beatitudes fuck the lesbian troublemakers, they shall inherit. Fuck all I am.
Speaker 3:I am saving it for a wayne episode because there's a more of a connection to there, but I need you guys to know I am going to come to you one day and ask you if you would like to talk about jesus christ with me. We, we will have, we will have a discussion and I will. Um, also, I would like to. Oh, I'm in, I'm a big. I would like to very quickly uh point out that the uh order of the letters in the lgbtq community, as pointed out by comedian dimitri Martin, who is fucking phenomenal and has a new special on Netflix and he's so funny. He said you gotta make sure you put those in the right order, because GQ BLT is an entirely different thing.
Speaker 3:It doesn't have anything to do with the gays.
Speaker 4:He's so good for that brand of humor. That's something. I'm friends with, somebody who's friends with him. I've met him, but I'm friends with somebody who's friends with him, and that is so goddamn humorous and brilliant, I am so jealous.
Speaker 3:Like Tig Nectaro, mike Rubiglia, dimitri Martin. I fucking love them and his shit. I eat that shit up. I fucking love it.
Speaker 2:Well, roy Kent hears uh with both ears and um. His response is to take a wild swing at jamie tart's head and force him into a locker and give him a wedgie. Oh, no, no, that's not. What does he do, coach?
Speaker 4:he yells fuck. Very reminiscent of the moment not on the field. Um, it's great because it captures all of it. It captures everything in this moment. It captures shit. You got that apology right. It captures. I was really looking forward to kicking the shit out of you. It captures I gotta be a new way.
Speaker 2:This new manhood fucking sucks yes, I hate my own growth.
Speaker 4:I hate my growth. This is so hard. Beating your ass would have been great. Now I have to do this shit.
Speaker 3:I love that you pointed out on the field when he said fuck, because what I thought of was when he was reading Wrinkle in Time to feed and he's fuck. When you have that realization, oh, it has to be me fuck it has to god damn it.
Speaker 1:This is gonna be hard I.
Speaker 4:I wanted to point out about the apology itself and I think it plays into that that final fuck, which is a great sentence to say, but at any rate, but, but, um, right, um, but yeah. So when he says it did something to me emotionally, you know, first of all, I think we all know, because it's a funeral and funerals they pack a punch. But also I am new to this processing of real emotion thing. So what might have taken everyone else around me a certain amount of time or they might've been able to contain it in a way that, like this, is all new to me. So I said this thing. I don't even know why I said it, right, but like, I felt I had to say it. Like he, I just liked that it's a genuine confession of like, okay, I've thought about it and now I understand what happened.
Speaker 4:I used to not feel things, which means I'd have been trying to figure out who the fuck, but instead I was thinking about how I felt. So I did something I shouldn't have done, because I don't know how to be like this and I and I, and I think it matters because we, we, we tend to talk about growth in a binary way or even as if it's in a straight line and actually there's a quote I'm going to find. I think it was like Voltaire or something like that. But anyway, about this issue of like, as we're changing how the old questions will present themselves, sort of like in a final test way. But yeah, I think it's really well done. The new man who's going to take some work is the point. It's not a magic trick.
Speaker 2:It doesn't come easy, it does not come. You got to earn that shit. People who will sometimes say I wonder why Coach Caston sees the similarity between Wayne and Ted Lasso. This is reminiscent of when you're, when you go to a funeral, you're faced with your own mortality. You start asking questions. Whenever that happens, it really you know, just put the stakes go up because you go shit. This is. There's an expiration date.
Speaker 2:Uh, for me and for the people I love, um and um it of of Dell not being able to go to her mom's funeral and and um, uh, feeling a real need to go to a stranger's funeral. Something, something just compelled her to do it. Um, it's, it's a rite of passage in this life. Uh, I have a 14 year old son. Um, my favorite uncle passed away a couple months ago and went to. We went to his funeral. Um, it was als and it. He had it for a little bit and then then precipitous decline, like just so fast and and awful, uh, hit me really hard. Um, and my little boy, uh, he came in just a couple nights ago, like, hit him in the weirdest way. He came in and he was just crying, just bawling. He just does not do this and he says that. He says he said he jumped in the middle of me and juliana jumped in bed, um, and he said I love having you guys as my parents and someday you're not gonna be there. I just could not breathe.
Speaker 2:He's crying so hard you know I mean, and it's just like, it's just, it kicks it up a notch, you just go, man, like so when jamie says, um, it, you know, did something. It can't, it's so beautiful because it's I think it's incredibly well written. He doesn't have the words to necessarily articulate it, but but it's enough, right, we know exactly what he's talking about because it does something to all of us in a certain way, whether it hits you on the day or later, this realization sparked Buddhism.
Speaker 4:This is not a small thing, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3:This is not like Right. I do like the way that they framed it, that it made him feel something emotionally as opposed to to feeling something physically, I guess the only way that he's used to feeling something. Um, but also that processing emotions actually is a process and it does take time and you might change how you feel about something a day or two later. I think I've mentioned this, like we shouldn't say like oh, you liked it at the time, so it should be fine. Um, one of the things uh, now that I'm doing more drugs, um, I've just started doing like, different stretches and stuff while I'm all stony baloney and I've come to the terrible conclusion that not only does my emotional state affect my physical state, my physical state could affect my emotional state. So if I work out not not in order to like, do anything to my body, but just like to get out and get the stress out, do all that shit all of a sudden I'm happier, like how the fuck? How the fuck did that happen? How did I get to be 40? I would also like to very quickly mention my youngest brother, who is one of the most, I don't want to say sensitive, but perceptive and also intuitive, empathetic. He gets it very, very easily.
Speaker 3:When one of our uncles passed away, who we were not close with at all, my grandmother buried four kids. I guess this is why she had 11. So she would have leftovers. But when one of them died, we were sorry. We were at the funeral my younger sister and my younger brother, who didn't know Uncle Dan, if any, not very well, if at all, and they were upset. They like were crying, it's a funeral that makes at all. And they were upset. They like were crying, it's a funeral that makes sense. But they were very upset and my older sister said wow, like this means a lot to them. They didn't even know dan, but they're like sad about it. And the youngest one said oh well, they're not thinking about dan, they're thinking about your dad and my dad. I was like motherfucker, you were 12, how the fuck did you figure that out?
Speaker 4:wow, how did you?
Speaker 3:know that that's amazing. So it's very perceptive, seriously, yeah extremely perceptive and also this is all the shit that repressive american society doesn't teach us about that sometimes, when you experience one death all of a sudden, you're freaked out by all the other deaths that you've experienced. Like that, you do reprocess it every time well, I'm.
Speaker 4:I'm also thinking about um the funeral, now that we're putting it in this context and jamie is mourning the loss of a parent yeah, yep, that's right.
Speaker 4:I mean he is, yeah, I mean it's not death of that sort, but in terms of like their relationship, like whatever the relationship could or will be someday. If anything because it could be nothing it certainly won't be that father son or, you know, or in any way a traditional father son really. So he is, you know. So I think that that plays into um with what you said, though, about funerals and and how it brings up all the stuff around death. I I think part of that is also because of what you point out about the repression. I think there's so much I'm going to use the word encouragement, because I'm going to try to be not be judgmental, but be curious I think there's so much around you being okay, yes, that people feel compelled to be okay, and I guess I would say to anybody who's listening now and maybe it is dealing with something fresh my father died in January of 01 and my mother died in March of 05.
Speaker 4:And this year I've had serious emotional moments about both of those things, and it is 2024. Emotional moments about both of those things, and it is 2024. So if you can make it back to work, fantastic. If you can hang out with your friends, like nothing ever happened. Good for you. And if in 15 years you need a minute, please take it yeah, yeah, different people.
Speaker 2:Uh, different people are different and people process differently. I always cry at weddings and never cry at funerals, and because it takes a little while for it to get to me because they don't know they're dead. You know what I mean. It takes it, yes, yeah, what the hell are they worried?
Speaker 2:about yeah, um yeah, no, no, it just, it really just hits people differently and so, um yeah, and also, you know, different people have different comfort zones, or if they might have a role in their family where they're the quote-unquote strong one or they're the rock oh yeah, oh that stuff, there's a lot that goes into it.
Speaker 2:So you have a responsibility to living in the face of the dead and you know, help them. Anyway, there's all sorts of complexities that go into it and you know we all do our best to try to navigate that. But Boss is right that there's no manual and without you know, without a little practice, which always comes the hard way, it's tough, it's tough. And so Jamie rightly captures that in his apology. And then, ted Lasso being Ted Lasso, we need a little trickly cutter. And what happens here, coach?
Speaker 4:So we get our fuck out the door, door slams and the camera. Uh, uh, fuck out the door, door slams and the camera having. Just we just watched roy leave, uh, pans over and will has been standing there and to accentuate what happened, because it's funny visually he's like holding I guess those are towels. I mean, he's just hold like he is holding laundry, it is. He is in front of a dryer and he's holding the laundry and he's frozen, his mouth is a little slack, like he is in full shock mode and so, uh, he shares.
Speaker 4:Sorry, I kind of froze when you two came in here and I just didn't know what to do and that probably wasn't as funny objectively as it fucking was to me, but I had to pause, like I just thought that was so funny. Oh, really, oh, I thought that was so funny. And poor Will, and if you've ever been that person who's like this is above my fucking pay grade, but I can't get out of here Because I've been there and it is super awkward and you're like, I just wish I could disappear, like if I had a superpower. Right now I know exactly which one I would choose, because I don't want to be in this room, um. So anyway, I just thought that was a very and and I guess also unlike what we were saying about old Pauly Shuri I bought the joke, I bought the situation, I bought that this particular character would behave this way. I bought Jamie's sort of like half quizzical, half understanding reaction, like I just bought everything about this, right.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 4:Yeah, no, it doesn't require about this?
Speaker 2:Right Right, yeah, no, it doesn't require a leap of faith. You're like, oh yeah, no, they stormed in the room, they didn't check, he got stuck. It just makes perfect sense. Yeah, jamie listens to it and says, all right, but he's clearly lost in thought. I think he's very surprised that he came out of there without a whooping. And he's very surprised that he came out of there without a whooping and he's also processing that. Then we cut over to Keely's office and she's on the phone. This is a real, real sort of quick series of lines. Yeah, no, it definitely sounds both helpful and compassionate, but I don't think that you moderating a session between Coach Lasso and a celebrity psychiatrist is the best move. Right now. All his attention is on Brentford. Thank you very much. That's the corporate line. And then she hangs up and says fuck you, pierce Morgan, I love it. I loved it, fuck you Pierce.
Speaker 2:Morgan yeah.
Speaker 1:There's another T-shirt Shit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, seriously, we're all fans of that. Now she is reading her email and she goes holy fucking shit, like she jumps back, like she's shocked, um and and like blown away by something on her email. That's it. Let's all see, I, I didn't love it. Oh, I didn't buy it. I thought it was too big of a response. Really, I thought they should have done a yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I just didn't buy, I didn't buy I, I wanted a slow boy, like of her reading the lines and being like, oh my god, like, like. I wanted a. I wanted to dawn on her more than like a whatever, but it's fine, it's okay. I thought it was whatever.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that wasn't my reaction. Yeah, keely being.
Speaker 3:Keely, I totally believed it.
Speaker 4:I think Rebecca would have slow played it.
Speaker 3:I think Rebecca would have taken a second, but Keely would be like, oh my fucking God. In a great way Good point.
Speaker 4:That's a great character I didn't.
Speaker 2:I didn't see a dawn on her, though, and she's like just it was like a picture popped up, Not that she was reading an email. That's the way I like yes, Healy would be would bounce and be crazy, but I didn't see like the beat where she was sort of registered. Maybe she did it on the phone is what I you know that I, I took that like she was slowly dawning on her, and then she realized she was looking at.
Speaker 3:Yes, I took yeah, so that actually I took it to mean that she is so good at her job now and piers morgan is so obviously a fuck off, piers morgan, that she only had half, maybe a quarter of her brain to give that corporate line about. No, this, we're focusing on bradford. Blah, blah, fuck off with the phone call Reading the email and then once she hung up, she was like, oh shit, no, I did read that right, this is for fucking real. And then her reaction.
Speaker 2:Right, no Nigerian princes at the bottom of the email. It's just the real deal.
Speaker 4:By the way and I'm just going to toss this in we can move on. It doesn't need to be analyzed, but I feel like the scam attempts have really gotten embarrassing. I feel like I'm like look guys, listen, you can't send me an email from Microsoft QRZ W549. I mean, I don't even feel insulted anymore. Like, are you all right over there? Do you have a fucking stroke? Like you're trying to fool me? This is supposed to be from the company. I need more effort from the scammers. I feel like the scams at this point are kind of ridiculous.
Speaker 3:So I can't believe that I have actual opinions on this, but what I have read is that scammers go big because if you are I don't want to say gullible in a mean way, but trusting enough to believe that that if somebody sends you something that outrageous and you're like, yes, I am on board, you are going to be easier to get money from. So they're sort of self-selecting.
Speaker 4:Oh, there's a built-in filter.
Speaker 3:They are self-selecting people who would not know to not fall for that, so they are actually getting more positive results. Yes To the point. I should also say like not only did John Oliver, on Last Week Tonight, do a segment on what is referred to as pig butchering, which is a new form of texting in order scheme it's fucking terrible. Go watch it. It's amazing debauchering, which is a new form of texting in order to scam. It's fucking terrible. Go watch it. It's amazing.
Speaker 3:But also that there was a woman. I don't want to talk shit about her, but she posted about herself about how the government quote unquote reached out and said there is a scammer who has been trying to get money from you. You have been implicated in all of these crimes and you have been accused of money laundering. The trail leads to you. We need you to give us fifty thousand dollars so that we could restore this account and then we could find the person that's doing it in order to prevent you from going to jail. So she showed up at a park with $50,000 in cash in a bag and gave it to them.
Speaker 3:And her job is that she is a financial advisor.
Speaker 4:Shut the fuck up.
Speaker 3:I swear to God all those things are true.
Speaker 4:This is the blackest thing ever. You lying. Like I say even if you know the person's not lying it's so outrageous that you're like stop lying, you lying, you made that shit up you know, they didn't make it up, but it's just too fucking outrageous it's yeah.
Speaker 3:I will find it. I will post it in the community site. It's so wild actually. I want to extend. A lot of people are like why would you say this? I would like to extend a thank you to her for acknowledging that it could happen to anybody at any time and please do not feel ashamed if you like. The point is to trick you. If you were tricked, they did their job. So I don't want you to feel bad, but the shit happens all the time the doc.
Speaker 4:I watched the series how to Be a Cult Leader, but I'm telling you one person I thought summed it up and I've always thought this Anybody who believes they can't be taken by a cult is ripe for the. And I was so glad that was said because I've always believed it. I do not believe for a second that I couldn't be taken. I just think that particular email didn't get me, that one didn't get me. But anybody can be taken, not me. A whole goddamn country got taken a few years back. I wouldn't name any countries, but there you go.
Speaker 2:But yeah, I was trying to set myself up as a sucker. I can't think Not me coach.
Speaker 4:I was just emailing my buddy Microsoft XY Ford 59. And he says I'm brilliant.
Speaker 2:I love the somehow the movie Rush Hour. Have you seen the movie Rush Hour? Yes, it's from 1990.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it's from 1990. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a classic whatever.
Speaker 2:There was this scene where Philip Baker Hall plays a captain in the LAPD and he sets Chris Tucker up, who's one of his officers, for a total shit assignment with the FBI. And it really is a shit assignment. It really is for the FBI, but Chris Tucker does the thing where he's like Captain, stop lying. And Philip Baker Hall it's one of my favorites. I say it all the time Philip Baker Hall goes, I don't lie, like I don't lie, and he really isn't lying.
Speaker 1:He doesn't get it Right, right, right.
Speaker 2:He just goes more than, he doesn't get it, he just knows more than. But I just love it so much, I love it.
Speaker 4:I love Phil Biggerhall, anyway, oh, by the way, in case, anyone is wondering what I meant by that piece around Black culture. If you see I-K-Y-F-L online, that means I know you fucking lying, yeah, and it doesn't mean that I know you fucking lying, yeah, and it doesn't mean that I actually think you lying. It means that is fucking nuts.
Speaker 3:Yes, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it is it is actually better than what I would say is the white version, which is shut up Like I love telling people to shut up, but also this one is nicer. I also.
Speaker 1:God bless.
Speaker 3:Whenever I see that long string of letters and I can actually put together what the person is saying, then at the end it's so fucking funny. It's like 17 sentences and I'm like, oh, that was a great story. Thank you, I love that.
Speaker 4:Yeah, there is a real sense of like yeah, of I'm in the in crowd when you make it through that shit. Yeah.
Speaker 2:M-T-F-B-W-I in the in crowd when you make it through that shit, mtfbwi. Well, I said I need to read them. I don't know. May the force be with you.
Speaker 3:The first time I figured that one out.
Speaker 4:I was like oh, I'm a Star Wars message board. That's funny.
Speaker 3:Are you going to celebrate on May?
Speaker 2:4th? Yeah, may the force be with you Always. Are you going to celebrate on May 4th? Yeah, yes.
Speaker 1:May the 4th be with you, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, always, always. So yeah, no, there's a new Tales of the Empire coming out in May. Have you seen any of these? There's a Tales of the Jedi. Okay, so there's a series of shorts on disney plus. That is so if you're a star wars fan, they're animated, so it turned. Some people just can't do it, but they are, so they filled in so many blank. It was crazy how good they were. I could not stop watching. It was like oh, wow, okay, here's the what. Actually. Here's the backstory behind count dooku. Here's the backstory behind. You know why soka did this? Or here's, you know, like here's, uh, backstory behind count dooku. Here's the backstory behind. You know why soka did this? Or here's, you know, like, here's uh, you know when you, when you say like, oh, how did anakin and soka? You know this, you know what was the the end of that relationship?
Speaker 1:you know whatever like little, little tiny, and you go oh my god.
Speaker 2:And now there's a new one coming out called tales of the empire, which shows some of the uh things in the. I think it's May 6th, why wouldn't it be May?
Speaker 3:6th Literally I made the face. There's no way If anybody who planned on having.
Speaker 4:May 6th is fired, they are fired. That's ridiculous.
Speaker 2:Right, it's got to be. I'm looking it up right now because I swear I don't care what day of the week it lands on.
Speaker 4:I don't care, you're fired.
Speaker 2:Oh, may 4th, Okay, no.
Speaker 4:Thank.
Speaker 2:God.
Speaker 1:Long live the.
Speaker 2:Empire Experience. Tales of the Empire 6. All new Star Wars original shorts available May 4th Only on Disney+. Shilling for a vast corporate entity, but still it was amazing. And if you're entity, but still it was amazing. And if you're a Star Wars fan, it was outstanding. At least the Tales of the Jedi was Okay. So we cut from Keely's Keely. We actually don't know what you know. She sees something on her screen. That's all we know. We cut to the field and Coach, can you walk us through this?
Speaker 4:All right, we got through this. All right, we got circle up. All right, so that announcement gets made. Thank you, coach. Hey, fellas, before we get started here, I wanted to talk to you all about the article you saw on the paper this morning. Actually, you all probably saw it on your phones. I still get the paper because, well, you can't cut cartoons out of a phone, right? Then, of course, course, we get a very ted lasso moment of yeah, but you can screenshot them and text them.
Speaker 4:That's copyright infringement bruv from our our team captain. Wow, um, oh, I hear you zero, but you can't. That was a row. Who, uh, did the screenshot? Uh, line, by the way, I hear you zero, but you can't hang a screenshot on a fridge either. And then I believe, danny, uh, my refrigerator has a television. Yeah, danny, what did I say? Yeah, danny, so then, um, yeah, then somebody else reacts. Oh, I think I have the same one.
Speaker 4:This is they are now a kindergarten class yes, this is a kindergarten class it's several people, sam isaac, yeah, it's all like this is such a thing that when my kids were little because I didn't have such things when I was little and they just figured they'd yell at me for having adhd and talking too goddamn much, but that's another story for another day but they used to do this which I was like what are you doing?
Speaker 4:And I'm linking my two fingers, like making like a chain link for those of you who are listening and it is the symbol they would do when they had a connection. So they would like when you said the refrigerator line in their little kid class, rather than an explosion of noise, you would just have a bunch of kids go and it was. I thought it was absolutely fucking brilliant, because actually, underneath it is not I want to interrupt you from the kids Underneath it is like oh my God, we have a point of connection, right. So like they're excited. So it's like we're going gonna keep the connection part and we're gonna eliminate the disruptive part. I anyway, I love it and so.
Speaker 4:But this right now is a kindergarten class like I'm like this. Man can't get through a full sentence without them ted lassoing out on ted lasso in our, in our neck of the woods.
Speaker 2:It was just, they would say, me I didn't. I've never seen that like thumb and forefinger link chain thing uh, it was really cool, yeah, I loved it.
Speaker 2:My daughter was just, people would be talking, but it would say like oh, it would be just even a tv show or something, and say like oh, I'm, I'm, you know, I'm exhausted, whatever. And my daughter's go me and and I would say blah, blah, blah Me Anytime they agreed. These kids would just say me. I guess it was a TikTok thing, but yeah, it's like saying I concur or knocking on the table at the House of Commons or whatever.
Speaker 2:It's just a way of yeah, really simple. But that's exactly right that all these these guys it's funny that they all have the same fridge there's such children, and why and why?
Speaker 4:like they're all smiling of this group. Maybe there are three guys who can seriously cook a meal. I mean, come on, there's no way these guys have all the money in the world. They're whatever. Like they're not. You know they're not figuring out how to make casseroles. Why do you need that fucking fridge? It's just like I got all the money in the goddamn world. Fine, I'll take the one with the TV in it.
Speaker 2:What? Yeah, and Ted has screwed up because he's almost lost them. Oh yeah, no, they're off. He has to reel them back in.
Speaker 4:Oh no, no, I had an actual point. I was making guys. Oh no, no, I had an actual point. I was making guys. Yeah, um, so they're all excited, but all right, the point is there we go.
Speaker 4:Y'all found out about something from somewhere when you should have found out about it from me first, but I chose not to tell y'all, and that was done. You know, fellas, we make a lot of choices in our lives every single day, ranging from am I really about to eat something called Greek yogurt? That made me laugh To. Should I leave my family and take a job halfway around the world? Did not make me laugh. We know what's on his mind and he's on that.
Speaker 4:Me choosing not to be forthright with y'all, that was a bad choice, but I can't be wasting time wishing for a do-over on all that, because that ain't how choices work. No, sir, no that choice. And my Chicago Bulls starter jacket that I let Janelle Rhodes borrow my sophomore year because she spilled ketchup all over herself and it looked like she'd been shot. Those are two things I ain't getting back. I'd just like to say I usually wouldn't use someone's actual name on here, but Monica had my varsity football jacket. No jersey, excuse me, I was pretty confident I was never going to see it again. Given our last conversation, I did not feel that she was particularly concerned with taking care of my belongings.
Speaker 4:So, yeah, I'm pretty sure that went up in smoke within I don't know 12 minutes of our last conversation. That was a charred ashy mess, is my guess. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:This is why I always chose wisely in retrospect to not date Good job, good job guys.
Speaker 4:There is something there, there is something there.
Speaker 2:It's amazing. You know, the human mind works in strange ways. You can have a quarterback throw four touchdowns and have 350 yards passing and he goes home and his wife and kids say, oh my God, there's a game in your life. He's like I missed that. I missed the tight end over the middle. It would. You know. You go, oh, shut up. In the last two weeks each one I have four children. Each one of them have had a glorious, like life altering success in the last two. That's amazing. And and except for the youngest, who is just a, she just kicks all the ass the other three have managed to find a way to be much more anxious about it.
Speaker 2:And look at the one potential complication in the. You know, I'm like, are you? But it's it's, it's, it's just, you know, it's it, it's just, you know, it's what humans do. And when it comes to articles of clothing, I can remember the ones. I mean, it's crazy, who gives a shit? I can look back and say, 30 years ago I remember the exact polo shirt that this one girlfriend, you know, wore home and I thought, all right, we'll see, we'll see each other in a couple weeks, nope, or this, you know, like know, war home, and I thought, all right, we'll see, we'll see each other in a couple of weeks, nope or this you know like. You know like. You know, like all these different little, yeah, you just go. Oh, my God, and I just love that as a reference. Um, you know, sometimes, ted Lasso, somebody jamming out.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I think, coach, it's time for you to go, oh sorry, this is my alarm. I mean, coach, it's time for you to go. Oh sorry, this is my alarm. Yeah, there we go.
Speaker 2:I mean, sometimes I lose polo shirts, cheering, uh, what else have I lost? Yeah, no, it's just, it's uh. It's just. It's funny that that's you know the mind. I think about how many things we didn't lose, but our mind doesn't keep track of those of those all right, oh, yeah, yeah, oh, of course, of course, right, yeah, seriously, who cares like how it would?
Speaker 2:I'll tell you right now that jersey would be in a box somewhere say it again yeah, right, I'm saying tell me a situation where someone returned your favorite hoodie right, or they returned the pair of pants that they borrowed. Tell me every time time you don't remember it.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:You just remember when it didn't come back, right, which is like what? What is that Right? We're so screwed in so many ways Like that's the default. Anyway, I just thought it was Ted Lasso. Sometimes, you know, it throws a lot at the wall. Some of it sticks, some of it doesn't I just thought that was yeah, I home run. I was like I totally get it the fact that it was a starter jacket I know that too, like if you weren't there.
Speaker 4:You don't understand. You don't understand a starter jacket like that guy.
Speaker 2:But he probably got it for christmas or some shit like that was oh, that was his big gift of the year, or he saved up, yeah you know how many lawns I had to mow, whatever.
Speaker 4:But yeah, so, all right, I know I took this on a side trip. Here we go. So because every choice is a chance, fellas, I didn't give myself the chance to build further. What Trust with y'all? We were just talking about that.
Speaker 4:To quote the great UCLA college basketball coach, john Obi-Wan Gandalf. He's referencing John Wooden there for those who don't actually know, but I thought that made me. That was very Ted. It is our choices, gentlemen, that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities. Now I hope y'all can forgive me for what I've done, because I sure as heck wouldn't want any of y'all to hold anything back with me. I really, I really appreciated that speech. I mean, there's some other speeches that hit me more emotionally, you know like evoke more emotion in me or a higher degree, yeah, but I Maybe it's because I'm a coach too, but like I watched this and I thought, spot the fuck on, like teaching a lesson in it, saying, hey, like I do trust you guys, don't walk away. Letting this be a reflection on how you think I feel about you. This was about me.
Speaker 4:Here's how I guys it was in a number of ways I fell short earlier or in other times during this season, this tv season and richmond season.
Speaker 2:I feel like he stuck this landing like few others and it's not the passive voice, it's not like hey, yes, if you felt people make things all the time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, if it happened that you were rubbed the wrong way, you know, no, no, no, yeah. It makes me crazy. It's so easy to do. I fucked up, I made a bad choice, I should have trusted you all and I'm going to do that. I'm going to do that and I hope you'll consider doing it to me. Come on, hope you'll consider doing it to me. Come on, it's just textbook and everybody should understand. It should be Apologies 101. It's on the list of my help economy. You just want people to know how to say yeah, I fucked up, sorry.
Speaker 2:Here's what I'm gonna do to make sure I don't do that again, and I'm gonna try like hell and fuck, fuck, you know I'm gonna you know, the effort is there, the agency is there, the choice is there, and I'm aware of it, and it's not some ethereal, nebulous thing that happened magically wrong.
Speaker 4:It broke is the kid version of that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh, it broke, huh.
Speaker 4:Magically broken.
Speaker 2:Must have been its time then. So they all say what here, boss? What's their response to that speech?
Speaker 3:It goes from yeah, we got you coach, no problem, yeah. And then Colin says you know, and when we find the guy, it's okay to take permission to take socks full of soap to their chest and stomach. And everyone else is like, yeah, we're going to fuck him up, we're going to find him, we're going to kill him. Ted jumps in, of course, because he's Ted, and says now, fellas, look, I'm gonna nip that, talk right in the butt right now.
Speaker 2:Hold on one sec.
Speaker 3:Hold on, hold on oh shit, you're right, follow the money he yells follow the money, yeah, yeah bumber catch yelling follow.
Speaker 4:The money cracked me up, I just like jesus, that was very.
Speaker 2:Yeah, wait, did the socks and soap make you guys think of anything?
Speaker 3:Full metal jacket.
Speaker 2:Right away.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yes, okay.
Speaker 3:I mean, did your parents not sit you down and have you watch that when you were like seven?
Speaker 4:You know, I thought military and I'm sure if you'd pushed it I would have said full metal jacket. I didn't think that specifically but yes, knew.
Speaker 3:I knew what was being referenced there this is my weapon, this is my gun, this is for fighting, this is for fun I should also mention I don't know how well no, I know exactly how it happened it was my parents, but I did somehow see the first like 15, 20 minutes of that movie when I was way too little, like I was very, very young.
Speaker 3:I was way too small to be watching that. I don't know how it slipped through, but I also know that I thought that that was the end of the movie, like the end of bootcamp was, I believe, the end of Full Metal Jacket. And it wasn't until I got to college that they were watching the later half and I was like what is this? They're like it's Full Metal Jacket.
Speaker 1:I was like nah, I was like no, I seen, I seen full metal jacket.
Speaker 3:What is this?
Speaker 4:no, no, I don't see what are we talking?
Speaker 3:about here, they are in vietnam when, so I don't know, metal jacket too I'm sorry, I know that's not the point more or less ridiculous than the passion of the christ too, because apparently that shit's happening so, oh, I saw that and I was like okay, come on guys come on maybe that's when he got back up. I don't know, I never saw the first one are we?
Speaker 4:what are we doing again?
Speaker 3:what are we doing?
Speaker 2:yeah, uh the passion the passioner even more passion that's right, that's right when I now with 40 more more passion, who was?
Speaker 3:it. I can't remember who it was Somebody. Very, very funny. When we saw the trailer for the sequel to I Know what you Did Last Summer, they said oh great, I still know what you did last summer, I still know what you did last summer, and then it flashed across the screen and it was actually that.
Speaker 2:I actually that I was like mother, fuck you. How did you?
Speaker 3:come up with that. How the fuck did you?
Speaker 2:anyway. No, it's good when they do.
Speaker 3:Um, ted says he's gonna. So, yeah, fall, sorry, follow the money. And then, and yeah, beard is like it's bud, not butt, coach, it is, oh right, because of flowers, right, horticulture baby. Uh, that makes more sense.
Speaker 4:I appreciate that, I know we move past that quickly and it's a quick joke, I mean, it's not you know, but I think it is important how how Ted responds to being corrected in this moment yes, yeah, he's like oh, thank you, that's, that's better you see what I'm saying, because Nate, like he can, nate is the opposite of this lately, you know, and I so. Anyway, I just want to call out that he's like all right, I got it wrong. You taught me something like today was great.
Speaker 3:Yeah, absolutely. I like significantly more maturity and also more trust. Nobody thinks that Nate didn't see the newspaper, uh, but yes, so, uh, ted is saying uh, no, we're absolutely not going to beat them with bars of soap, we're going to focus on something more productive, like Nate's false nine. He's putting Nate right in the center of it. How's that sound? Okay, good, yeah, yeah, yeah, anybody got any questions before we start? Jamie says yeah, I got one. He says, yeah, jamie, what do you got? And he said what are we going gonna do with that fucking thing there? And the helicopter is still in the middle of the field. Edwin acufo apparently just left, rolled out without his helicopter. Why wouldn't you leave it there? You have a spare as one does exactly exactly it's a good psychic.
Speaker 2:It's a good psychic and it's a good. They, they, um, they. They hide the um buried lead before they do it, so it's not in frame. Jamie actually turns and points and that's when the helicopter is revealed.
Speaker 4:It's good, it's all very, very it also, I don't care what the reason is the fact that that thing is still there. It speaks to character. I'll just say that what do you mean? It's still. If it died there, it should be gone by now. If it literally doesn't function anymore, it should be gone by now.
Speaker 2:The fact that it's not speaks to how Kufo is getting down as he delivers flowers to your funeral well, this may be an unpopular opinion, but billionaires should be able to do whatever they want because they're more important and better and talented and smart. Yeah, so if that's his field now because he says it is, then it is, and they can all go fuck off.
Speaker 3:I think you misspoke. When you said billionaires, you meant me, boss.
Speaker 4:I always do that boss billionaires, all the B's.
Speaker 2:Boss, boss, right, yeah, that's a good point, okay. Well, I'll tell you what we'll all head to the Northfield. I didn't know there was a Northfield, and if you guys hustle, that'll count as cardio for you today. Yeah, scrab Whistle.
Speaker 3:The whistle bit is still a good joke.
Speaker 4:See, okay, I'm glad you said that, because I was like I feel like my love for Ted Lasso is because I'm like like the whistle thing has gone on for a while and it still makes me laugh. Yeah but right before we started, recording.
Speaker 3:I did mention that I and a couple of friends, to another friend's chagrin, will just kill a joke and then kill it some more and then taxidermy it, and then kill that taxidermy and bury it and then make a joke about that. So yeah, I run a joke into a crowd.
Speaker 2:I fucking love it. I feel for your poor friend. I feel for her. Oh, that's great. All right, folks, we're going to leave it there today. We've done enough damage for one episode. Coach, where do people find you if they want to find you?
Speaker 4:Find me in the community. Come through Buttercups Unite. No, we're having some good fun there. I'll be posting a couple of progressive commercials because they're so awesome and cool and totally what the kids are into and yeah, that's the deal. But seriously, become a Butter Cup. You will be joining a truly amazing group of people. The points that get made even the silly points, but also some of the serious points in sharing it's a special thing.
Speaker 2:Boss, what about you?
Speaker 3:You can find me on threads at emilychambers.31. Also on Moron Blue Sky. I'm trying to figure out where to land exactly. Blue Sky seems pretty good. That is Dumbly Chambers and also at the community site. Please come through. I promise I'm going to be there more.
Speaker 2:Okay, that's it for today. We will be back next time with part three of Ted Lasso, season two, episode 12, inverting the pyramid of success. Thank you everybody for joining us. As always, we really appreciate you and and we love that you've gotten this far with us. We're you know. I'm not going to say that the the finish line is necessarily in sight, but you know that we did what? Eight minutes, A little more than the last time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but eight minutes, that's, that's, that's. That's almost a one and a half times the first, first episode. We're absolutely screwing through this episode at a lightning pace.
Speaker 3:I'm just thinking. Eight and a half minutes of screwing is impressive, great job.
Speaker 2:Please support your local libraries and the written word Until next time we are.
Speaker 4:Richmond Till we Die, until next time we are Richmond, richmond, till we die, till we fuck you, piers Morgan.
Speaker 3:Yep, there it is, we're back.
Speaker 2:I thought it was going to be about Nate, but but yeah, you zigged when I thought you were going to zag. Thank you coach, thank you everybody. We will see you next time.