Inverting the Pyramid of Success (S2:Ep12:Part3)

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Speaker 1: 0:22

Welcome to our Ted Lasso talk, the Tedcast. Welcome all Greyhound fans, welcome all you sinners from the dog track and all the AFC Richmond fans around the world. It's the Lasso way around these parts with Coach, coach and Boss, without further ado, coach Castleton.

Speaker 2: 0:39

Okay, welcome back, beautiful people. Today we're talking about Ted Lasso, season 2, episode 12, inverting the Pyramid of Success. This is Part 3 of our ongoing conversation. I am your host, coach Castleton, and with me, as always, is Coach Bishop. What's up?

Speaker 3: 0:59

I just thought I'd get everybody's attention. It's still what's up.

Speaker 2: 1:02

It just doesn't get old. Just still Unbelievable. Just never get everybody's attention. It's still. It just doesn't get old, unbelievable, never get tired of it. With us is our boss, emily Chambers.

Speaker 4: 1:11

In case Castleton doesn't mention it, we talked before. We just started this recording for 45 straight minutes.

Speaker 3: 1:20

So if you think the episodes are long, However much you think we talk too much.

Speaker 2: 1:25

Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's wow, we covered a lot of ground. We covered a lot of ground. We really did. We were talking about really important things, not necessarily for public consumption, but yeah, no, we were really really excited about some of the stuff in women's basketball last week and Don Staley and just tremendous. You know, it's just amazing to be part of Coach. What were the numbers on that for that national championship, women's NCAA?

Speaker 3: 1:56

Now that I said it out loud, I believe it was 18.9 million viewers for the championship game. It was the biggest audience for an ESPN basketball game in like five years.

Speaker 2: 2:10

Yeah, it's an exciting time to be alive. A lot of people say I was born at the wrong time, but this is a great time to be alive. People as hard as it is out there generally you're never too far from a bathroom. You know it's a piece most people get to. You know, like that's, that's a nice feeling to go when you have to go, uh, you, you I'm always near a bathroom, but I'm a gross person, so well, listen, when we were growing up, that you would say, oh man, you gotta put a cassette deck in.

Speaker 2: 2:43

or then, you know, fight between vhs and beta. Now they would say, someday you, someday, man, you got to put a cassette deck in. Or then, you know, fight between VHS and beta. Now they would say, someday, you, someday, you'll just like, you'll be in your house, you can watch anything like anything. You know, it's like, it's like jetpack, it's like a promise of a jetpack.

Speaker 4: 2:55

We were promised jetpacks, yes we were promised and then we didn't get jetpacks.

Speaker 2: 3:10

And again very, very quick interjection where I complain yes, we are supposed to have anything we want on demand anytime. American Gods still can't find season two. Still pissed about it. The hard copies I don't why I have a dvd anymore. It makes no sense to own a dvd, it's. It's like, you know, you can go on craigslist and just see people completely abandoning every dvd there. But there are certain products, there are certain shows where I'm like that it just vanishes. You're like, okay, if this is a integral show to our family or if this is something really fundamental to something I love or something that is meaningful to me.

Speaker 2: 3:50

I've now started to just say, you know what, if I see it, I won't necessarily go out of my way, but I'll try to find something. Childhood, um, uh, there was this um sort of sort of this is a woman that I was like interested in years ago and uh, it was just sort of a flirtation kind of thing and and I had casually mentioned that I couldn't get this one um japanese film, um, I just couldn't find it anywhere. This is years ago, this is, this is during the blockbuster era, and, um, she somehow found it in Japan and I'd like just as like a nice thing to do and I was like, oh my God, I still have it on VHS, but, like you can't get it on DVD, it doesn't, it doesn't exist in the world, it doesn't exist in the world. And so it's like this is an amazing film, um, so, anyway, I love, uh, I love, having the comfort of of you know, being able to keep track of, like Ted Lasso, is something for sure that I would say, okay, I'm going to get some version of a hard copy of it, because, if it goes, I didn't think, um, there's a show called Future man that I love. Season one of Future man Absolutely love it, quoted all the time. I think it's phenomenal.

Speaker 2: 5:07

It was one of those where it had no business being any good and then it just knocks your socks off, and sometimes those are even better. There was a video game my friends and I stumbled on called Ghost Recon Wildlands and we're like this probably sucks. And then we spent 100 hours or 200 hours. You know what I mean. We're like, oh my God, this is the best $20 we've ever spent. You're like, how much enjoyment did I get out of this? So sometimes, when something outjumps the coverage, you go. It has even that much more value. And it was a Hulu product or FX through Hulu, and then Hulu took it off the air and you go, wait a second, it's like you made it Like. This is something. Why would you ever take this off?

Speaker 3: 5:49

It's not like. You don't have the rights anymore, it's yours.

Speaker 2: 5:55

Yeah, it just vanished. And then there's subreddits and different threads that I'm part of, and people are losing their minds, and so then the price of Future man on DVD shot up to like $100. He's like I don't know when it's coming back, Anyway. So the long-winded way of saying Ted Lasso Buy. Ted. Lasso. Yes, Ted Lasso. Ted Lasso is worth owning.

Speaker 4: 6:22

Do not allow Ted Lasso to go the way of Punky Brewster the cartoon, because you will try to reference it and people won't remember it and they won't believe that that was a thing that happened. No, no it existed.

Speaker 3: 6:32

It did exist Because of my age. Interestingly, I was just young enough to do regular Punky Brewster, but too old once the cartoon happened. So I was aware of it, but I didn't really watch it. I want to say it was a Saturday morning cartoon, and by that point I was probably getting out of the house to go do whatever it was I was about to go do. But I do remember that being a real thing.

Speaker 4: 6:59

Nope, I was parking my ass right in front of the TV. Yeah, she had a magical alien gopher type thing named Glommer, who came over into our world through a rainbow and then stayed with Punky Brewster for the rest of the TV show. Those are all true things.

Speaker 2: 7:17

Yeah, I was a little old for Punky Brewster. I think I just missed it.

Speaker 4: 7:21

Nope, it's stuck in my brain and I tell people about it and they think I'm a liar and I'm but um, nope, stuck in my brain and I tell people about it, they think I'm a liar and I'm not for that reason correct.

Speaker 2: 7:30

If I'm gonna lie, you'll know it, because I will call it out and tell you that I'm lying, and then what I'll do is tell you I'll be kissing you later, at the end, when I have a few more drinks. How's that, boss? Is that accurate?

Speaker 4: 7:42

It depends on what I was lying about. A lot of the times I'm not going to tell you if I were lying how you need to. Sometimes you tell them you're lying and then they think that they know your tell, but they don't know your tell because that's the tell that you were giving them so that they would. It's a false tell, false tell.

Speaker 2: 7:58

Oh wow, wow man.

Speaker 4: 8:18

Jesus.

Speaker 2: 8:18

Man Jesus, okay, I've got a niece who is willfully deceptive in a fun way. And I'm trying to train her in the best ways of deception in order's a journeyman, sort of an apprentice deceptor at this point, but hoping to get her a couple chevrons on her sleeve as she levels up. Well, that's some great familial bonding right there.

Speaker 4: 8:42

Great anting.

Speaker 2: 8:44

Can we say aunt when aunt from he goesting. We say aunt when aunt from my aunt. I mean, you know, it's all the best qualities that you admire, boss.

Speaker 4: 8:58

You can say auntie, and I'm okay with that, because auntie sounds weird, but auntie sounds like panty. Auntie sounds like you're against something.

Speaker 2: 9:08

Oh, auntie sounds weird, but it sounds like panty.

Speaker 4: 9:10

Auntie sounds like you're against something?

Speaker 2: 9:11

oh, auntie, I thought no, you made a big thing about panties. Put on. No, my, my, my auntie deborah.

Speaker 4: 9:16

Well, what's your pro, deborah? You don't have one? Okay then, oh you're, oh you're mad.

Speaker 3: 9:22

Oh he's mad. Oh, I didn't anticipate anger. This is better than I anticipated.

Speaker 2: 9:30

It's not anger.

Speaker 3: 9:31

Let's go down the anti-path, just disdain.

Speaker 4: 9:35

If it helps at all. The other day I was asking the boyfriend because I say covers and blankets interchangeably. I think I've mentioned that before. I said something about a cover and he was like, okay, here's this, but you know that that's not a cover, like you're still calling it a cover, and I was like cover is perfectly fine for this. That is my blanket statement. And then he told me to leave and we haven't talked since. So I'm not sure if that's a good or a bad sign. That's fine, it sounds like he didn't appreciate that joke.

Speaker 3: 10:03

I wouldn't be so sure. No.

Speaker 4: 10:09

Blanket statement was not okay. He didn't actually make that part. I thought blanket statement was pretty funny. Nobody on this call agrees, it's fine.

Speaker 3: 10:21

What I enjoy is how much you enjoy others. Not enjoying these jokes Like that's actually where my actual joy comes from Is just that you're like I'm going to say this and you're going to hate it and I'm going to laugh and that's really rich.

Speaker 4: 10:40

I have heard usually I don't I never enjoy watching other people bomb, but I have heard from some standup comedians that sometimes it is as thrilling to be doing very, very well as to be doing as shit as you possibly could be that both feel the same, and so I think I do have a little bit of that Like maybe this is going to suck, but it's going to suck for all of us that I'm going to enjoy that.

Speaker 2: 11:10

Some, some people really get I don't know if they feel the same. Uh, because you got to keep it up when you're, when you're killing it, but when you're bombing, I know like you're kind of like okay, well, fuck, yeah, like all right, like how it can't get, literally cannot get worse. So how about this joke fuckers? And then it just gets you know whatever? Um, but yeah, I know what you mean by like it is the two halves of the same coin, or two sides of the same coin, yeah, Well, you just said it can't get worse.

Speaker 4: 11:32

I'll only mention that John Oliver was on Hot Ones talking about how the worst he's ever bombed was in Edinburgh. At what is that fest called, Not Sketch Fest?

Speaker 4: 11:45

Oh, is it the music fest no, no, no, it's like the comedy festival in edinburgh the film and comedy. I'll think of it and then I'll look. Okay, yeah, um, but he, he opened for somebody, fucking, bombed, fucking horribly, the worst of his career. And then the guy went out and killed it. Probably like probably because that's why he's the headliner, but also probably because john warmed them up in the worst way and then they were calling for the guy to come back out and do an encore and john said let me do this. And he just walked back out onto the stage and there was a guy in the front row that grabbed his beer bottle and said I will cut you. And so he turned around and went back off stage immediately. He was like I think he might have. He was like if you come back out and tell any more jokes, I will cut you. So then they let the headliner come up. It worked out well for everybody. Now John gets to be adorable on my TV.

Speaker 2: 12:43

Is it the Fringe?

Speaker 4: 12:45

That's it, the Fringe Fest.

Speaker 2: 12:47

Yes, not about the Fox TV show he talks a lot about this. He says he was on an interview with John Oliver where he was like nobody found me funny in England. I come to America somehow. We love him.

Speaker 2: 12:59

Yeah, people holding their sides laughing. It's great for me. I'm literally not funny at home, I'm not in the opposite of fun. Yeah, good for him, we're glad to take him. Would that? We all find our place in the world where we're appreciated like that? Um, I know, uh, I've been, uh, I was telling uh, coach and boss, that you know four kids doing a ton of parenting. I'm always tired and just trying to get through the day and I love, I love my job, love being a dad and um, but sometimes you're just like, oh god, and you know, just just takes the wind out of your sails and you just need a break. And then I would like look at my text messages and there's these challenges from boss in the text messages. Like castle, you better get your fucking fighting shoes on because I'm coming for you and all this shit. And coach, of course, is doing what he's doing, laughing because he thinks it's great. And I'm like, like, in my one moment of respite I'm like, oh, god, damn it, boss.

Speaker 4: 13:56

Like let me just check in what my two of my best friends in the world have to say. Yeah, what's? Maybe there's a big.

Speaker 2: 14:03

Maybe there'll be a pick me up in this. No, no.

Speaker 3: 14:05

Yeah, she's making fun of people. It's hilarious.

Speaker 2: 14:09

Yeah, the other thing is this is hilarious.

Speaker 2: 14:12

There was a quote, quote in there and I quote for everyone who listens to this podcast I give him love, said mocking, not about me, not about me, just about a character making fun of someone who would give love. So it's true. It's true. So much heartache, um, okay, today we pick up. Uh, ted lasso, season 2, episode 12, inverting the pyramid of success. Boss, since you are, are the person of the hour, walk us through. We have just seen whistle, whistle on the on the field and we cut to Higgins's office and Keely walks in. And what happens here?

Speaker 4: 14:55

Keely walks in, apparently still not knocking on the office door of Higgins. Whether it's Dr Sharon or Higgins not a knocking office no, she walks in Higgins. Is it's, uh, dr sharon or higgins? Not a knocking office? No, uh, she walks in higgins. Is holding two puppies, which maybe this is what I should send to you, castleton, when you're feeling low, after I send you the thing where I mock you. Maybe it's like here's a picture of the nicest man with two dogs. How does that?

Speaker 2: 15:18

I do. I actually I'm okay with that. I love puppies and I love Higgins, so uh, so it is.

Speaker 4: 15:26

Uh, the dogs that he's holding are the mascot idol semifinals. We're trying to decide one of these two contestants will be our new mascot. Will it be Macy Greyhound or Tina Feyhound? Those are, those are both pretty decent. I'm okay with both of those. Um, uh, are they all from barkingham palace? And then everybody laughs and finally higgins says um, miss campbell, here runs the shelter, london's premiere. All female dog reader, suzy campbell, nice to meet you, and does introductions, and they're all very polite and kind with each other while holding dogs maybe that's the secret.

Speaker 4: 16:02

Maybe everybody just needs to hold more puppies.

Speaker 3: 16:05

Well, I got the sense that little Susan Campbell was equally interested in cat as dog, if you know what I'm talking about, Because I mean my goodness.

Speaker 2: 16:15

What the? Fuck she is fucked Over, she's pretty interested in Keely Over Keely. Listen, you dirty bird.

Speaker 4: 16:31

I mean, there seem to be some vibes. She is glancing plenty. She is not uninterested in Keeley. I don't know many people who would be meeting her in person, though.

Speaker 2: 16:47

Oh, no, no, she is throwing as much Huge fan, it's like a full, like this is a. She is not gonna fucking, she is not gonna miss her shot. You know this is a Hamilton moment for her. She's like I am a huge fan and she's like huge fan. She will not let go of her hand. She keeps holding her. She looks her dead in the eye, full eye contact. Um, listen, uh, I can't tell the future, but if keely were gonna date a woman, uh, I think susie, susie campbell seems like, uh, like a pretty good candidate to me. She's got some nice flannel. She's a dog breeder. You know the preeminent dog breeder in London, so you know, runs Barkingham Palace. I think this is a good candidate. Susie Campbell with a Z. And yes, so Keeley, just politelyitely you know huge fan Keeley says oh, thanks, and she's like huge fan. She's like thank you, she doesn't really know what to like. What do you do? And Keeley says now is a bad time and keep going, boss.

Speaker 4: 18:01

Higgins says oh no, no, no, sure, it's a great time, uh nice to meet you. Uh suzy gives keely a kiss on the hand, which is a move, I guess listen, suzy campbell is as close to like I.

Speaker 2: 18:19

Whatever suzy campbell is, her the twin version in the world of men is like a weird neckbeard guy, like is like a, you know, like her kissing, kissing keely sanders is preposterous, but it's like it's a milady kind of move, you know, it's like yes, I think I'm being extra courteous, but you're like, oh god, but actually it's weird, yeah, it's super weird, uh, yeah also I I feel a little bit bad.

Speaker 4: 18:48

it's not his fault. I read an article years ago about how, uh uh, rex grossman was going to have to be the quarterback who played in the super bowl when the bears were playing, because we didn't have any other options, and said what are are we going to do? Have Kyle Neckbeard Orton do it. And so I cannot. Poor Kyle Orton. He did nothing except briefly act as the quarterback for the Bears, and for the rest of my life, I will think, kyle Neckbeard Orton, I'm really I'm so sorry about that. They even tried to make the Kyle driver work and we were like nope, kyle Neckbeard Orton.

Speaker 3: 19:23

That's it, neckbeard Orton.

Speaker 4: 19:27

Got it. So finally, keely sits down to talk to Higgins. He says something wrong and she says, actually, something is incredibly right. The money people that back banter. They want to finance me opening my own PR firm. He says, oh my God. She says I know right, I need some advice. And he says I'm flattered you came to me instead of Ted or Roy and she says they're at training. Well, instead of Rebecca, then she's the one I'm afraid to tell. I'm happy to be on the list. Which nice job, higgins.

Speaker 3: 20:01

You got that yeah yeah, it made me laugh, it made me laugh.

Speaker 4: 20:06

At the very least he realizes now is not the time to pick this fight. I'm glad to be on the list, that's fine. I'm happy to be here. She says I'm scared. He says well, look, that's perfectly natural.

Speaker 2: 20:20

It can be terrifying becoming the boss and she says no, only now does he put down the dogs, by the way I didn't.

Speaker 4: 20:24

I didn't see why that would have been a necessary thing.

Speaker 2: 20:26

You know he's like when he's celebrating, like he's like, oh my god, you know, and he's still just holding the dogs, and super cute, um. So yeah, keep going boss uh.

Speaker 4: 20:36

She says no, I'm scared of telling rebecca I'm leaving. And he says, oh right, because she's so intimidating. He says no, she's one of my best friends. We go. Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. And you leaving would be a betrayal on a level usually reserved for Greek mythology.

Speaker 1: 20:52

No Like at every pass, the only thing that he has done well so far is say that he's glad to be on the list. He is not picking up anything else that she's throwing down Right Just across the board.

Speaker 4: 21:07

Finally, Keely says no, I just I don't want to appear like I'm not grateful for the amazing opportunity she's given me here. And at this point Higgins does kick in a little bit more says Keely again good mentor hopes you will move on. A great mentor knows that you will and she's right. She says, oh, I like that. He said, yeah, I just made that up. Wow, so I don't.

Speaker 3: 21:33

I don't think there's like a lot of relationship development necessarily here, but it's cute to see them interacting one-on-one yeah and and higgins can give off the the dad I mean, he's the father of a bunch of boys and all that. So he gives off that dad energy sometimes in very specific ways for the characters, and I enjoyed him doing that here and it kind of going right, right, like ultimately it goes right because all she really all she really needed was somebody to come to so that they could just go. Everything's going to be okay. That's really it. Whatever it is, greek tragedy, blah, blah, blah. You just need to be assured that everything's going to be okay and he nailed it on that. But yeah, he definitely was having a little struggle getting there once he figured it out, he did great.

Speaker 4: 22:21

What she needed to say was I'm doing this thing, I'm afraid about it. Tell me it's going to be fine. And he's like, yeah, it's going to be fine. And that's all he needed to do. The rest of it was just, you know, going down.

Speaker 2: 22:34

Sometimes girl talk is just girl Listen.

Speaker 2: 22:37

Well yes, I mean it, I mean it's. It's brutal that he, I, I, I deeply detest that. Uh, dad, energy requires being dumb or kind of being a both oafish kind of whatever. Um, but that's where we are, uh in the world and um, uh, yeah, we don't see a lot of keely and higgins interacting. We catch them with rebecca, between them during games and we'll see them in rebecca's office, but not just the two of them. I'm trying to rack my brain to think of another scene that's just keely and uh and higgy baby. But, um, yeah, anyway, uh, we cut to. Uh like, uh, this little establishing shot of richmond green that I'm like it's the weirdest establishing shot. It's like I'm like is it the right show, are we? That's so interesting, it's such a little, tell me what?

Speaker 3: 23:36

yeah, tell me about that reaction, because uh, boss is nodding I didn't have that reaction. I don't. I mean, it's not like this is a shot that I went. Oh my God, this is brilliant, but what, what? What struck you both about this shot?

Speaker 4: 23:51

The only thing that I'll say is that I don't know if they have gone out of their way to frame the city rather than the characters. I feel like there are a few other shows. They do it all the time on the characters. I feel like there are a few other shows they do it all the time on the Bear. There are a shit ton of shots like Chicago Aerial shots, a bunch of other ones trying to reference very much where the show is taking place. This feels like it would. This could actually be in a romantic comedy where Bridget Jones is walking home after a bad date. It feels like it is a pretty shot. I'm not sure it's not giving me a lot in terms of character or surroundings.

Speaker 2: 24:33

And also, when you do a shot like this, you get a tree line sort of left side of the frame and the right side of the frame is looking straight down the sidewalk and there's a person on the phone and typically then you hear the dialogue from that person on the phone. So I'm like, oh, okay, is that you know so? So, uh and that, and that's that is what ends up happening. But it does feel like you know, this is, this is sam uh, on the phone at a distance. But at first you go, oh, this is, yeah, I felt, it felt like I don't know a little, a little atypical or not, not a shot that they usually do establishing-wise. He says I told Akufo I would give him my answer on Sunday, and who's he talking to here, coach?

Speaker 3: 25:18

He's talking to his dad and so dad asked does this mean you've made a decision? And Sam responds I think so. It's kind of a heavy, heavy, heavy breath there. Sigh, yes, I don't know. He's going back and forth and then Sam says I'd be crazy not to go right. And dad responds Samuel, you're overthinking this. Relax, stop looking for the answer and let the answer come to you. If you open yourself to it, the universe will give you a sign. Sam responds Daddy, with all due respect, isn't this decision too important to be left to the universe? Response the universe has always put me on the right path. The universe told me to marry your mother and to buy Bitcoin in 2009. 2009. I don't know what Bitcoin did after 2009,. Really, I don't really get that particular one, but I get where I hadn't heard of Bitcoin in 2009,. So I guess if you got in on it, then you're one of the people who got rich.

Speaker 2: 26:24

Well, if you got in on it, then you got it for nothing. I remember there was a little kid I read about who begged his grandma for $1,000 and she gave it to him and then so it was like I don't know, I don't know what it was, a share, but then it went from whatever.

Speaker 3: 26:52

Let's say, it was a hundred bucks a share and you got 10 shares. Then it went up to 68 000 a share, so you know what I mean. So you're like holy shit, so yes, big money. So yeah, so they you know, they both have their laugh. I think that's a great little piece of character about you. Know sam's dad? He talks about dad at home, but anyway, being in me, being in on Bitcoin 2009 is a pretty slick way to say we ain't calling home to no hut folks. This is a different Africa than you may be picturing, which I thought was cool. Then, yeah, so you bought Bitcoin. Okay, dad, I'll keep an eye out for any messages from the universe, and so I love you and I love you. It's great, fantastic. I guess in the next few years, my son will start saying it back to me. We'll see. I'm no Ola, so we'll see how it goes.

Speaker 2: 27:39

All right, but that's I mean coach. That's a huge thing. His father and son grown man said I love you to his dad openly. You know, have that vulnerability with your dad at that age and you know we talk about the lack of of decent father role models on TV. There's Sam's dad, ola Obasanya, and then there's who we will come to meet at some point, and then you have Bandit Healer on Louie. That's it.

Speaker 2: 28:14

It's like nobody else. Everybody else is Homer Simpson, tim the Toolman, taylor or Al Bundy or George Jefferson, or you know, right, um right, it's all, it's all dads who are comic relief. Um, so this is in in any other show man, this, this would get you like drawn and quartered, having a character by himself on the phone with a character you've never met. Right, and you hear once, you hear both sides of it, but you're not. There's. No, you know the visual of the of the other character and and yet they pull it off. We talk about how they always seem to pull it off. Um, toey jimo is, you know, just captivating? Uh, go ahead. Yes, yes, boss.

Speaker 4: 29:04

Bob Belcher is an excellent father, I will add him. He doesn't get it right all the time, but he tries very hard to take care of his children.

Speaker 2: 29:13

But he still is comic relief.

Speaker 4: 29:15

Yeah, bob Belcher, he does but he gets in his own way there's nobody on the show. That isn't comic relief. Yeah.

Speaker 3: 29:26

That's an interesting thing. I guess maybe there's some intent impact built into that question. He's not always an effective father, but he's definitely a loving father. He cares about his family.

Speaker 2: 29:37

Yes, that's interesting he does, which is a step in the right direction, but he still takes it out of his own way, he still fucks up and he still is insane and does you know like?

Speaker 4: 29:47

listen, you do crack one time and all of a sudden you're insane. I'm sorry, you say you think you did crack one time and if you did, you like it, and all of a sudden you're insane.

Speaker 2: 29:57

Fine whatever judgmental oh god, I still think of the uh all was sunny episode. Uh, where sweet d wakes up. Does I think it's a crack episode, or there's a couple of crack episodes, right? But? There's one where she wakes up in, like living in a bunk house. She wakes up next to like and I just go what you're screwing.

Speaker 4: 30:21

You're screwing this all up entirely there's an episode episode where Sweet D and Dennis get hooked on crack. That's one episode.

Speaker 4: 30:29

What you're referring to is the episode where a bar down the street had a secret recipe for some kind of drink. So Sweet D tries to sleep with the manager and the manager is like I am a woman, can you not tell? And she's like, oh okay, that's fine. And then she sleeps with the, the guy that does the dishes. Essentially he's like I've got the recipe, come sleep with me and I'll give it to you. And then she wakes up in the bunkhouse after sleeping with the elderly man without teeth. But she's like I got a recipe she didn't you're right, yeah, she didn't flash over it to you.

Speaker 4: 31:02

The note actually said this woman is a whore, but that is the episode you're thinking of. Do you see that door? That door says pirate. Do you think they have pirates back there? I see a door that's marked private and you're illiterate.

Speaker 2: 31:24

We may have to just pick our favorite All is Sunny episodes and just do that oh it's.

Speaker 4: 31:28

the gang tries desperately to win. I would 100% participate. What's yours, Moss? That would be very funny. The gang tries desperately to win an award.

Speaker 2: 31:37

That's your favorite one.

Speaker 4: 31:38

Hands down, no question, oh my God.

Speaker 3: 31:44

When they actually show the oh, the play. Oh my god, how is my brain?

Speaker 4: 31:52

the.

Speaker 3: 31:52

Nightman. Comet yeah, nightman Comet yeah yes, I mean the actual production when she's there. Jesus, that was. I mean I haven't watched all the episodes, I've caught some and blah, blah, blah, but I knew enough to know why that was. I mean, I haven't watched all the episodes, I've caught some and blah, blah, blah, but I knew enough to know why. That was fucking hilarious and I I damn near passed out laughing. I mean, that was I mean not for the faint of heart, but god damn that was funny oh, they are the worst people it's so amazing.

Speaker 3: 32:20

Yeah, seriously, like I'm like wow, like inappropriate doesn't even begin. Like inappropriate is like in their sleep they're inappropriate, like once they wake up inappropriate, does not touch it anyway, that's not what we're doing here.

Speaker 2: 32:33

But yes, I would be totally into doing uh sunny. It's always sunny episodes, that's it's kind of amazing, because at one point it was like, oh, there's south park, that that type of humor you know, like oh, how low can you go, kind of thing. And then right, and you think I remember when there was kentucky fried chicken, kentucky fried chicken before they turned into kfc, which was apparently to take the name chicken out of the title. Uh, I guess, allegedly, I'm not gonna say is that true?

Speaker 3: 33:01

I I've heard that before and that is is horrifying.

Speaker 4: 33:04

No, it's because no, it's that you can't have a state. If you are referencing a specific state, then everything on your product needs to come from that state. So they changed Kentucky Fried Chicken to KFC and St Louis Bread Bowl to Panera. If you're having a specific place referenced, it needs to actually come from that place. You can't do that if it's nationwide.

Speaker 2: 33:27

Why Says who?

Speaker 4: 33:29

Rules taxing. I don't know man we're going to have to look at this.

Speaker 2: 33:34

That doesn't make sense.

Speaker 4: 33:35

Boston baked beans have to be made in Boston or you can't call them Boston, no, but if you have a restaurant that I have, no idea.

Speaker 3: 33:43

I haven't even heard of this until 30 seconds ago, but I'm going to argue.

Speaker 4: 33:47

No, no, no. Boston Baked Beans isn't a corporation. Boston Baked Beans is a food that you people eat for some terrible reason.

Speaker 3: 33:59

Because, they're delicious, that's interesting.

Speaker 2: 34:01

Anyway, Anyway. So you have that. And then there's like, oh, the market is saturated, you can't have any. And then I remember when Boston Market happened, it was like this different, it was rotisserie chicken instead of fried chicken. And then it took over everything and now I think Boston Market made. Then it turned into well, it was Boston Chicken, and then it turned into Boston Market, and now I think they're mostly out of business.

Speaker 2: 34:27

But it's funny when you think something's got a line on, something like no one can possibly do gross out humor more than whatever. Or you think once upon a time you're like, oh, the exorcist is the gross, is the scariest movie I've ever seen. And then the horror genre absolutely explodes to where there's like no, to where they're sewing people together. You just go. Okay, it's not. You know what I mean. Like every time you think somebody has gone past, you know the shock value can't get worse. It always seems like people manage. So all of a sudden he just really carved out a really interesting niche. And when we're talking about the worst people, this is the polar opposite. Sam Abasanya is. He's like the best dude ever on tv, like is there a better dude?

Speaker 4: 35:07

the gang would eat him alive.

Speaker 3: 35:09

No, question oh my god well, they would try. They even understand each other I mean like I'm trying to figure out if they could even communicate effectively like it doesn't feel like the same species. What's that?

Speaker 2: 35:23

Yeah, the gang meets Sam Obasade.

Speaker 4: 35:28

Yeah, meets Sam Obasade. Exactly I years ago, I pitched an article I can't remember if I actually wrote it about taking a character from one TV show and adding them to a different TV show to make both the character and the new show better, and mine was that. I really wanted to see Phil Dunphy from Modern Family that character, not the actor, but the actual character on Veep, Because I felt like he would try so hard. He would want so much to make things better and they would crush him in every imaginable way.

Speaker 3: 36:02

Yeah, the one-liners that would get flung his way would be For the Ages. For the Ages. That show was so fucked up. I mean, it was hilarious. Whew, yeah, veep.

Speaker 2: 36:17

I really loved Julia.

Speaker 3: 36:20

Louis-Dreyfus is just a goddess, I mean you want a successful show, Figure out how to get her in it. Apparently that's the formula.

Speaker 2: 36:33

And if you have time, watch the go to YouTube. We'll put it on the community site. But have you guys seen Last Fuckable Day?

Speaker 4: 36:42

I think we've talked about that. Yeah, last Fuckable. Day yeah, I'm like, oh gosh, I think we've talked about that. Yeah, last fucking day. Yeah, I'm like, oh, I think we've talked about it.

Speaker 2: 36:48

You should. Oh, you're in for, you're in for a treat. You are in for a treat. We'll put it on the community site. Um so, um, we are, uh, we are following sam. He is looking for a sign from the universe and coach what does he? What does he see once he hangs up with his dad?

Speaker 3: 37:02

so, as he hangs up with his dad, we get we get him turning and looking over at a field where folks are playing some pickup football and the first person he sees has on an Obasanya jersey. You see his name and number on the back. And then he sees a couple more people with Richmond jerseys on and they have the black tape over it. So it's not only showing that, oh, he's a cool soccer player, but that this stand that really in many ways put him on a world stage has also had an impact to where it is clear from the way it's shown there that it would be totally uncool and not getting it to show up with that jersey with uh, dubai still written across your chest, like we don't do dubai anymore, like that's uncool. What? What jumps out at me? And uh to those who still eat this I don't want to have a debate about it just just made me think of it is Chick-fil-A and I feel like there's sort of three people.

Speaker 3: 38:11

There's three types for Chick-fil-A I'm finding there is they're anti LGBTQ. Why is my brain doing that? And so I will never. And there's screw you people, I will. And and there's screw you people, I will. And then there's this very interesting group of people who are like I'm all for supporting everyone, but I really like their chicken sandwiches. I go back and forth in terms of my feelings about that group but at any rate it has some of that vibe to it of like the in crowd knows that we're not doing Dubai air across our chest anymore.

Speaker 2: 38:50

And so what decision does that make him make coach?

Speaker 3: 38:54

Ostensibly like, from what I see my sense of the moment is that was definitely a vote, the universe casting a vote for staying. We don't get the actual decision, so we can't possibly know, but it definitely felt like if Dad is saying, listen to the universe, relax, listen to the universe, and you turn around and see three people celebrating you specifically and the team overall, that's a vote from the universe then.

Speaker 2: 39:30

Got it.

Speaker 2: 39:32

Okay, so two scenes back to back where it's just sort of bumping the plot down the road a little bit. Now we're, we're it was getting sort of afternoon kind of vibe with Sam, and now it seems we're sort of at nighttime and we are in Keely's flat and boss walk us through. This Roy is looks like he's toweling off some dishes. She's got her hair down. This is nice. She looks so pretty. You know, when she was really done up last time we saw her hair in that really super tight top bun, uh, top knot kind of thing, whatever they call it and um, and she was really made up. Now she's like in her pjs, hairs down. She looks a lot more comfortable and I don't know something about that makes me more comfortable. I don't know sometimes when, when everybody's too done up, I get like, like anxious watching.

Speaker 2: 40:25

I'm like Jesus Christ.

Speaker 4: 40:29

I feel like costuming and hair is actually usually a pretty reliable way of conveying those things. Vince Gilligan talked about how Rhea Sehorne playing Kim Wexler in Better Call Saul depending on what she needed to do and where she was in her day, how high and tight her ponytail was.

Speaker 4: 40:49

No kidding, if she was going to court or she was going to work, it was high and tight, and if she was hanging out getting drinks with Jimmy, it was coming down and down more. So, yeah, no, I think that's definitely a thing Interesting, mm-hmm. Yeah, also, I have a whole thing about how, uh, the boots that the women wear in pitch perfect tell you all you need to know about their characters. We could talk about that at some point. That's, that's a whole thing too.

Speaker 4: 41:13

Um so uh roy says uh, so this morning, uh, jamie apologized to me for what he said to you at the funeral. And she immediately says I didn't say anything to him. I didn't Not me Didn't do this.

Speaker 4: 41:29

And he says I know, he said he did it on his own. And she says and what did you do? She said what do you think I did? She said punched him. She said headbutted him. He said no. And he says no worse, I fucking forgave him. Which Ben immediately says disgusting, isn't it? Which, for me, called back to Rebecca telling Higgins that Ted forgave her right away. Can you believe what he did? He forgave me. What a prick.

Speaker 4: 42:03

Right, right, right, yes Like like there's an acknowledgement that the forgiveness can happen right away, but that's still kind of like a um uh so disgusting in it and she says no, I'm proud of you and smiles and seems genuinely happy I'm really proud of you, you did it the right way. I fully support that. He seems a little bit unsure and then she says I've got some news too, though he immediately says, for fuck's sake, don't tell me, ted tried to get with you and all that. Like no, no, it's not.

Speaker 4: 42:42

But then explains about the VC banker from Banter and now they want to finance her for her own pr firm and she's extremely excited. To his credit, he says holy fucking shit, that's huge, picks her up, you're a fucking ceo and shit. That's amazing, like uh, in whatever ways it is that they have sometimes taken characters and directions that I don't appreciate. Roy was always supportive boyfriend, never threatened by her success, never one of these like well, how am I supposed to be the man if I'm not making more money? None of that bullshit. She was successful and he was thrilled with her.

Speaker 2: 43:23

Yeah, and this brings up a a thing I that drives me crazy. If, like, sometimes, because we're social creatures, sometimes people don't know the right rate of joy or sadness or whatever, and fill in the blank about an emotion until they bounce it off someone else, you know what I mean. And so, like, be be a good friend to your friends and like be super excited for them if, if they life is full of disappointments, uh, life is pain highness. Anything who tells you anyone else is selling something or anything anything else. Uh, we know.

Speaker 2: 44:02

Uh, coach, god, what was the line? I think it was you, coach, but it could have been wrong. Maybe it was you, but I forget what have you told me? A story about? Um, uh, that boy's going to get everything he's got coming, or something along those lines that ring a bell for either one of you. No, okay, I told it to myself in a dream and it doesn't mean I didn't tell, I was just coming off you to say it doesn't mean I didn't tell it. That line isn't sparking it for me. But, yeah, sorry, yeah. Well, it's like uh, william, money and unforgiven. Um, you know, I guess he had to come in and klanusa said we all got a common kid. We've all, we're all gonna get what's coming to us and, and you know, seven out of 10 times it's going to suck balls. It is going to suck. Things happen and it just sucks, it just sucks. So when something happens to someone you care about or love, remove yourself from the equation and just be fucking awesome and cheer for people and support them and, you know, give them the reflect back to them the joy that they may not be able to access without bouncing it off of someone else. And I really love this moment for roy because he's like. You know, we talk about something about ted lasso. It's just like really, uh, you build a great team. When the you know, when the team wins, like you, it feels great.

Speaker 2: 45:21

Sometimes, uh, after a sporting event, they'll interview a player and they'll be like, hey, you just like hit your 400th home run. Or hey, you just, you know, you just took over the league scoring record, like you. And he's like I, as long as we win, I just don't give it. Yes, I'm sure someday I will appreciate that right. And with certain people you go bullshit. I know you're a fucking prima donna, I know that's like a but, but like if they actually can access that when you know where they're like. No, this is about the team. When I say me, you say we in the coach Bishop fashion. If you can get there, it's a better place to be. It's a better place to be. And Roy is fully there with Keely.

Speaker 3: 46:09

No-transcript absolutely everything you just said yeah, it's interesting you you bring that particular piece up because, just in the way that the timing played out in recording these, we just had south carolina um women's basketball team win the ncaa tournament, uh, for 2024, and one of the things and I'm not the only person who noted it, but one of the things I noted about Dawn Staley was how quickly and consistently and honestly she gave everyone else their flowers. One of her former players was doing some sideline reporting essentially, and came down to interview her after the game and was saying like what a great game it was. And before she'd even answer any questions about the game Dawn Staley is going before. I got to say how proud I am of you and you're doing such a great job and this whole, I mean just and and if you paid attention to her interviews throughout that weekend and I've looked at more stuff that she's done, that is very much her way and it's one of the things that I'm.

Speaker 3: 47:17

You know she is moving, you know, with a bullet up my um, up my favorite coaches list, like she's. You know she's already top five for now and I and there's no artifice whatsoever, none, I mean just and no, it's not like she really means it. I've been looking around, I've been noticing that's great, that's great. Like you just know, she's been taking in everybody's greatness and whenever she has an opportunity to go, that's great. Um, she says it and yet I really get the sense that she is really celebrating for people when they, when they get their wins and when they get their moments, or when something's good for the game. She talked about how last year, losing in the semi-final when they were definitely the favorite to win, it all sucked for her and the team, but it was good for women's basketball and she's able to, like say that with you know, yeah I was gonna say, say it with your chest, but I guess it comes across a little different when you say it about a woman.

Speaker 3: 48:12

But my point being uh, no, it's weird, right like I started to say it and I was like let's not um. But yeah, I think she it comes from a real place it's, it is wonderful.

Speaker 2: 48:28

And and my favorite thing about the, the, the post-game conference, or when they gave her a trophy and all that stuff, she took the microphone and she thanked Caitlin Clark, who was the player on the other team, for lifting up the entire sport. Uh, I just, I just can't love it enough. Um, and it matters, man, it matters. Everyone would have forgiven her had she been so wrapped up in her victory or whatever her team, that she forgot. But like this is a cultural phenomenon. It is a moment in time where somehow everything coalesced around the women's game and she was not clueless about it, she knows why. And and she's going to call out one of the key players in that resurgence and, um, does it matter that she's not her player? No, it's, it's just, it's a, it's a we're all in this together kind of moment and it's it's selfless. It's one of the reasons why, for those uh people who know how much I, uh, I I rave about coach Bishop and how like he's fine on this podcast, like a solid B plus but maybe an a minus, but I'm, as a real coach, as a real coach, whether it's life coach, whether whatever he's doing, he has that, he has that affect on people and people kids he taught 20 years ago see him and they run to coach and they, they still want his approval and they still like he matters to them. And when you're a person that keeps putting goodness and kindness and and joy, and you know it's not like, uh, coach, coach is full of discipline. It's not easy to be, to be on his team. He is demanding as hell, but never without reason, never without cause. He wants the best for you and he wants the best for the team and he'll demand it from you and you will feel it and you get. All the great coaches seem to have this, this sort of affect. And if we reduce that down and we say, ok, we're not, how many of us are actually going to be great coaches? And it's it's. It's hard to do, but in our own life the key ingredient is that that sort of honesty and and openness and being willing to, you know, say the things other people won't say. It's a huge.

Speaker 2: 50:56

Now my daughter played basketball I this, we went to the first. She's 10 years old, never played before. It doesn't love sports, but she's like I'll give it a shot. It was local, you know local team, and we went in there and I live in a blue collar town and the guy, the guy that was the coach, the guy that was the coach, I'm like, oh man, if you judge a book by its cover, he looked like.

Speaker 2: 51:19

He just looked like kind of a nightmare from a different era. You know what I mean. He had a wicked Boston accent and just looked like kind of a real thick guy and I'm like, oh boy. And then he proceeds to coach and he's fucking great, just fantastic. These girls improved so much and he was, he was with it and he was kind and he was nurturing and he was understanding and he was personable, right, and at the end of the season, um, he's walking out and I remember I just went up to him and I was like, hey, I don't know if anyone told you this, but like you're an amazing coach, like you're an amazing, amazing coach. And what you got with raw material at the beginning of this season, compared to what these girls are going to leave with skill-wise, is unprecedented. Like I never thought my daughter would be able, in the final game of the season, she goes to the free throw line for the first time ever and drains, both as a 10 year old and I'm like, oh my god, like I didn't think like I.

Speaker 2: 52:20

You I've talked many times on this podcast, but I don't have athletes. Uh as uh, my children they don't it's not their thing.

Speaker 2: 52:27

They don't, they don't care, um, but just what he did and you go up and you say it and, uh, I remember maybe it's something I got from my dad. Uh, we were on a delivery. I was young. We were delivering, uh, something for his company and we were waiting for a shipping, receiving docs. We were had industrial supply warehouses, what my dad's business was basically. So we were delivering something I don't remember. But sometimes the shipper receiver is also, you know, moving stuff, moving stuff around the warehouse or you know whatever.

Speaker 2: 52:56

And this one guy I think I've mentioned this before, tell me if this sounds familiar my dad and I are standing there I was probably 10, maybe and we're just waiting for the receiver, the guy that runs the receiving department, to finish what he's doing. He is on these huge racks, he's driving this forklift and we're just watching him and it's like a ballet, like driving a forklift. This guy must have been driving a forklift forever. There was no wasted movements.

Speaker 2: 53:26

It like, as he's turning down, comes the, come the forks and and he's turning and then he's making sure the thing doesn't tip and he grabs this one thing, puts it on there and we're waiting for him and he gets down and comes over to us and he's turning and then he's making sure the thing doesn't tip and he grabs this one thing, puts it on there and then we're waiting for him and my, he gets down and comes over to us and he's just like this gruff, you know whatever, and my dad goes. That was, that was the most beautiful forklift driving I've ever seen in my life. It was a true, true joy to watch you do that. And the guy was stunned, you know, like he's like ah, like like no.

Speaker 2: 53:55

Then he's like oh, thank you, yeah I've been driving a flag lift forever, you know like that kind of thing. But when you see it, it makes. It makes a difference if you extend that little little piece, and just, why not say it? You know, if you have the thought, why not say it? So I really love, uh, very, very, very long-winded way of saying um, it's something we all can do, it doesn't cost anything. The best coaches do it effortlessly. But I really love this dynamic here where Roy, unabashedly, is just thrilled for Keely Coach. I'm sorry, boss, keep walking us through this please.

Speaker 4: 54:30

Oh, I definitely can. And also yes to everything you just said. I don't want to make it sound like I wasn't paying attention. She's extremely excited. She's more excited than even after she got done telling Higgins, even though she basically said to Higgins like I know I want to do it, I'm just scared to do it it. Now she's finally saying like yeah, no, I'm actually going to do this. She's extremely excited. He picks her up. They kiss. She says she loves him so much. He says look at you, the boss, and she laughs a little bit. He says you're not going to have time for anything else and she says shut your pretty mouth.

Speaker 4: 55:08

And covers his mouth with her hand, and then we're done with that scene, not going to have time for me anymore.

Speaker 3: 55:16

I'll shut your pretty mouth yeah.

Speaker 3: 55:19

It's one of those things when people make a joke like in real time. It was this for me, where somebody makes a joke, that's not a joke how do you handle that part? And so it's a joke in quotes. You know, not gonna have time for me anymore. Um, I thought she did as good a job as she could, kind of like being like oh, don't be ridiculous, you know saying to shut your pretty mouth and putting her hand over his mouth. But it there was definitely some realness behind that. That was not just like a frivolous throwaway line well.

Speaker 2: 55:59

This is why I'd like to bring up what to do and then what not to do. So roy was perfect until he said made it about him. I'm like roy, you had it, had it and lost it. You know like. You know what I mean because so it's just be happy, for this is their moment. You know what I mean, just make sure it's it's it's about them. This is their moment. You know what I mean, just make sure it's about them. This is not a you moment. Roy, whatever your insecurities are great, address it another time, not in the middle of the celebration. You know what I mean.

Speaker 3: 56:24

And, roy, this is something that is a proclivity for him. I do know what you mean, I guess I guess yeah, I mean yes. The short answer is I know what you mean and I don't disagree. I guess I got the feeling. I mean it's not necessarily my deal, but when he said it I was like I get how he feels, how he would have that moment, so I guess I didn't have the same reaction to it. But yeah, yeah, you're right, I mean it's, I'm sure coach.

Speaker 2: 56:57

This is my entire childhood, my entire growth, everything about. So it's like I'm so hyper aware of someone's, someone putting their anxiety on me, especially in a big moment. So, being around people with borderline uh, borderline personality disorder you know a lot of it is like they want to. They can't help it. They need to make the world match their, their worry on the inside. And then in my personal case, it was my mom, always letting her anxiety ruin my big moment. So I'd be like mom, I got promoted at work. She's like, oh, that's great. And then she'd be like but very fast for you to get the promotion. Maybe they're setting you up to fail. And I'm like just wanted to tell you had some good news.

Speaker 2: 57:39

You know what I mean. Like it's always couched in some worry, so anyway, I'm very, very attuned to it. But this didn't have to be about Roy. Nevertheless, go ahead, yes.

Speaker 4: 57:52

I don't want to disagree with your childhood and I'm not doing that. The only thing that I'm saying the example that you just gave is that your mom seemed worried about something that was happening to you, whereas roy seems worried about something that might be happening to him, and I feel like that is a small difference no, no, it is a.

Speaker 2: 58:12

It is a clear difference, absolutely, but for me it's the same thing. It's like it's not okay. Just give it a beat. Yes, that concern can come at an appropriate time, just let. Like I said, we're all going to get kicked in the private parts of my life virtually constantly and this is a weird time to be alive as much as we. You know, I love to be an optimist and stuff, so it's been. You know it's rough.

Speaker 4: 58:40

It is so weird to me that you are the one saying that we're constantly getting kicked in the junk all the time. I don't feel that way at all. Oh, and that's not to be like. I'm not saying that people that feel that way are wrong, but I think that there are things that suck. The thing I said before and the thing I will come back to. The world is beautiful and not safe. I don't feel like I'm getting kicked in the junk. I feel like there's shit that needs to be fixed and shit that needs to be worked on, but I don't feel bad about that. I feel like it is an injustice that needs to be resolved and it makes me angry, but I'm not like oh, life is out to try to get me. I think most people aren't out to try to get me no, no, no, I didn't say that I'm saying that like.

Speaker 2: 59:27

Whatever the my version of is is, agreeing with what you're saying is saying, um, what do you say? Life is beautiful and not safe, so it's the not safe part you can count on. And then you've got to. So, so folks so appreciate the beauty when you, when you have the liberty or time or peace of mind to identify it Right. So, uh, because you can count on the not safe part, like it's more and more, yeah, I think I feel less and less safe in in um certain way, but it's not like it's targeted at me, it's just that it you know. And then, boss, also, a percentage of that is when you take on the burden of, uh, raising other humans, then you, then you absorb an additional burden of keeping them safe, and all you know. So if it's like life is beautiful and not safe, it's like, oh, it's not safe for me and everyone else, and so that's a ever present sort of concern and that's why it feels like man, ok, you know, there's always more stuff to contend with coming down the line.

Speaker 4: 1:00:33

So the only disagreement I have with that is that I understand that, especially having kids. And you know, I'm not saying that your viewpoint is wrong. I'm saying that I don't know if that is universal. I think that if what you're saying is that you believe, anytime you get a chance to look at the beautiful, you're going to do that. Yeah, but by and large I don't know. Man, I feel like an asshole for saying this. But I take the fucking Brown line downtown Chicago and I'm like man, this place rocks, things are awesome. I am so glad it's spring, Like I know that that makes me sound like an ass.

Speaker 2: 1:01:03

No, no, you sound like the Lego movie. It's amazing. I, I, I think it's, I think it's fantastic.

Speaker 4: 1:01:11

Good for you. I don't understand the horrors of the world. I'm just saying most of the time when I leave my apartment I'm pretty happy. Like when I'm in my apartment I'm 100% happy, so that's where my bed is and I get to go to sleep. But just in general I'm not. Yeah, I mean sorry. No, that was it. I'm mumbled off.

Speaker 3: 1:01:37

But, yeah, I it's interesting. As I'm listening to you both, I'm like where did I land on this? For me, what I'm hearing is a difference between and I think because I've played in both these areas the difference between look at how wonderful the world could be. Why would we not make it that way all the time? Or why can't it just be that way all the time? That sucks, that it can't be that way all the time on one side, and then on the other side I'm hearing more of. It's really an acceptance piece, and I've just been listening to a bunch of philosophy stuff. So maybe this is why it's standing out to me of life is as it is and our job is to find our peace in that, because that's the only part we control. And I'll just toss in because it'll make it sound like I read more books than I do that it's very Western-Eastern dichotomy there.

Speaker 3: 1:02:44

Philosophy, yeah the idea of like make the the world should be a way and I want to make it more that way.

Speaker 2: 1:02:50

Be the change you want to see in the world.

Speaker 3: 1:02:52

I want to make my. That's right and I want to see the change in me to allow. That's like schools of thought that you guys are sort of playing with here.

Speaker 4: 1:03:04

Yeah, that makes sense. That makes sense a lot, and I don't think that our views are incompatible, I just think that it's slightly different enough to be called on that you can work towards the same goals even when you have different perceptions of how those things meet, why those things need to come about.

Speaker 2: 1:03:28

Uh, yeah, yeah, Uh, okay, I'm all, I'm all, I'm all. No, listen, I'm not, I'm, I can't, I can't, uh, um, can't argue with anything. We all, we all look at it differently. Um, you know, there's, there's this, uh.

Speaker 2: 1:03:47

Sometimes I talk about how frustrated I get when with, like, the political environment. Um, it's like straight out of tolkien. I wish it need not have happened in my time. Uh, says Frodo, so do I, said Gandalf, and so do all who live in to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that has given us.

Speaker 2: 1:04:08

Um, so, yeah, it's, it's that, um, and however you approach that, then all the power to you, and I, for one, want to celebrate that. You think everything is awesome, boss, and this is what friends are for, is. I love that you're fired up to go and do your thing. That is again something that's awesome and not about me, and so we should be psyched about that. Coach, uh, can you walk us through this next scene here? Uh, after we're done with roy and keely, uh, we cut to um, the uh, the pub, and we get a? Uh, really nice, nicely framed two shot with a lot of depth of ted and beard sitting opposite each other at the table and, uh, walk us through this if you would please absolutely so.

Speaker 3: 1:04:58

You know, there's the general chatter, just need a second. It's jane from uh beard. Uh, ted asked how's all that going? Uh beard response uh, we broke up, his phone vibrates, at which point he says oh, we're back on few. Which I laughed. I really did laugh. I mean, I like they've done some interesting things with the whole jane beard thing. But I just thought like what a, what a quick, semi-silly way to establish the chaos of a relationship. Oh yeah, that would happen. I just it that one got me for sure. Um, then we've got may. Come over here, you go, boys, she's got a couple of a couple of pints there, because I'm a man of the world. Um, thanks may, thanks may.

Speaker 3: 1:05:51

And then he, uh, ted, looks past may and sees, uh, one of the headlines about um, him and his anxiety attacks. And may turn, sees what he's looking at. Don't worry about it, ted, it'll all wash out in the cycle. It always does, ted, in the way that you do when someone says everything will be okay, but you feel like it'll never be okay says thank you, may, um, and as she walks away, she snatches the guy's newspaper where and reveals and I cannot think of his name and it's gonna make me crazy. I will try to find it. But it's the same guy who went on a date with her and or don't as far as he's concerned it was two dates, um and who didn't get any because he was constantly correcting her. So that that I just you know, if you're gonna have it there, why not get a little extra mileage out of the moment. So I thought that was funny. She snatches the paper, balls it up. He says I was finished with that anyway I believe his name is Richard.

Speaker 2: 1:06:55

Yes.

Speaker 3: 1:06:56

Richard.

Speaker 4: 1:06:57

Also, the pints that Mae brings are extremely well-filled. There's a little bit of slopping on the side. She really wants to make sure that they have their glasses worth.

Speaker 3: 1:07:08

Yeah, like more than I would expect. I mean it's an excellent pour. It's a better pour than I would demand at a bar, because I mean a little, you know, a little bit ahead on there, can't talk like that at work anymore, Keep it moving. All right, here we go. But a little bit ahead is fine, but yeah, it's like right to the top, yeah.

Speaker 4: 1:07:38

I'm going to have to carry this to my table.

Speaker 2: 1:07:39

I'm gonna be slushing all over the place. I'm gonna spill enough when I'm sober. If I've been drinking, it's even more so do not set me up for failure. I remember when I first learned to wait tables that you load up this cocktail tray. It was like a little circular tray. You put a bunch of cocktails on it and then I was so. I was like staring at it like walking, and I remember one of the like super veteran waiters. He was like staring at it like walking, and I remember one of the like super veteran waiters. He was like honey, don't, don't stare at it, like, don't look at it.

Speaker 4: 1:07:59

It's so much worse.

Speaker 2: 1:08:01

Yeah, it's so much worse. I was like yeah, and by the end like you know, a couple of months later I'm like got two of them in my hand twirling around and you just can feel it.

Speaker 3: 1:08:16

But those first few times you're like, yeah, it's like I would. Yeah, I've shared before. I bartended it was like you know, not wasn't like it was a nightclub. And I still don't understand how any of those waitresses made it from the bar anywhere, anywhere, without just drinks all over every picture Constantly getting bumped. It was amazing, I mean truly. It was amazing to like how did you make it through a crowd Like a hundred people between you and that table dancing a damn summertime? Like how, how?

Speaker 3: 1:08:54

It's pretty impressive. Yeah, I've never done waitstaff and I've always thought I would definitely get fired. For, like you, have dropped $7,000 worth of food and drink. Get the fuck out. So I'm in awe. It's a skill.

Speaker 4: 1:09:10

I was never a waitress when I catered. The only time I got good at that was when we would do the champagne toasts at weddings, and so you would need to bring out a tray loaded with like 20 flutes of champagne to bring to the tables to hand out to people and, as you're walking past, some asshole would try to grab a glass, even though you had just balanced it perfectly.

Speaker 4: 1:09:35

You had set that up now the left side's not yeah yeah, and so I finally got good enough that I would know who it was as I was walking past and I would grab it myself to hand to them. I knew which fucking asshole wanted it, and then at least I was braced for it.

Speaker 2: 1:09:50

So, like I could, I could do that handoff motherfuckers trying to grab off the tray I catered, uh, also when I was in college and the thing that I was always blown away by and this is just a basic lack of understanding of of simple spatial phenomenon but when you would load, when you'd pre, you'd set the table right, boss, and then you'd put the, you'd put your um, would you ice the cups first? Do you ever do like you have glasses and you fill them full of ice? And I'd always like, fill them like halfway with ice or whatever. And my boss was like no, no, fill them all the way up, so it's coming out the top. And I'm like how could that? I don't understand. That doesn't make. Then as soon as you put the water in, it'll all overflow because it's coming out. No, no, then you pour the water in and it all settles down and I'm like that's magic. Whatever the limitations of my brain are, I was like, okay, it seems basic, but I was just always floored.

Speaker 3: 1:10:46

No, no, no. I know exactly what you're talking about. That's why I went like this when you said you did it halfway. I was like, because I do. I was like no, I might as well go to the top. Go to the top.

Speaker 4: 1:10:54

Yeah, might as well, I'll say I did so poorly in my high school chemistry class. The only thing I remember is our teacher telling us water is the freakest, freakesty, freakest. Why can't I say this, right? Freakiest, there we go. Jesus christ, I gotta freakish, freakish, freakiest substance in the universe because when it gets cold it expands and that doesn't make any fucking sense to the most brilliant minds alive. Like, like, yeah, like they understand why it happens. They get it, but like why?

Speaker 3: 1:11:29

right, right, right. Yeah, it's mine. Mine different. It wasn't a chemistry class, but I do specifically remember it's eighth grade science and so we filled, you know, a beaker, or whatever the heck it was, with water and then we had to drop pennies in to see how many pennies you could get in there, whatever, and we were supposed to observe what we saw and it was my introduction to the idea of cohesion. And I gotta tell you, when that little bit of water was above the lip of the cup but it was still not spilling over, like that was definitely like a build-eye science guy moment for me. I was like what the fuck? I mean it?

Speaker 3: 1:12:14

just I still remember like I could take you to the classroom where it was, because it was such a like no, that's not possible. What? And? Uh, yeah, that's my. That's my introduction to cohesion. Like I still remember somewhere, mr devyatkin, you blew my mind to the point where, 40 years later, I'm still talking about your cohesion experiment with the uh no, no, no, it really actually we're facebook friends. I'll tell him. I'm gonna tell him later yeah, tell him no.

Speaker 2: 1:12:45

It's good for newly's principle. You have two balls hanging from a string and then you blow between them uh and I don't think we're allowed to talk like that at work.

Speaker 3: 1:12:53

You think they're going to go?

Speaker 2: 1:12:56

between balls between the balls and the balls attract to each other. No, no, it's just.

Speaker 4: 1:13:04

It's like again one of those things you go wait what what like how and they like curl up inside the guy and that's like how did that even happen? That's not the same uh principle I don't think principles were involved at all in what I was doing well, we did.

Speaker 2: 1:13:28

We did go see the principal after um, and all right, so we are back. Uh, we, we're back. These scenes are cutting really really fast. We get that little insert of May crumpling up the paper and then Boss walks us through. We're back with Keely and Roy in the same place.

Speaker 3: 1:13:49

Just a very, very quick time, cut Quickly. I just want to highlight the show. We've talked about it before, but if they give give you some up, they're going to give you some down. So Keeley, for the most part this is like top of the world. Then we cut to Ted and he's it's bad. It's bad for the team. So, like just highlighting that, they do that here in a slightly different way, but they keep it going yes, no, that's very true.

Speaker 4: 1:14:15

They're, uh, the sweet and the sour they managed to work in, uh, this scene. We cut to roy saying we're opening the champagne. He says what? No, I thought we were saving that for something really, really special. And she said. He says, well, we didn't open it when your mom moved back up north. We didn't open it when england got zero points in eurovision. We didn't open it when your mom moved back up north. We didn't open it when England got zero points in Eurovision. We didn't open it when the neighbor ran over their own snake. Oof, that was nasty. So we're drinking it tonight, duck. And then they open it. And as he's pouring she gets a notice, says oh shit, lizzie just sent over the preview of the Vanity Fair article.

Speaker 1: 1:14:55

Oh shit, they better not abuse the vanity pictures and be smiling, sorry.

Speaker 3: 1:15:00

Sorry. Before we get to the article, though, is that I feel like I'll start with our house.

Speaker 2: 1:15:08

You're saying why is she calling her a duck?

Speaker 3: 1:15:09

The origin of this champagne? That's funny, I ain't got a problem with it. Why is she calling her a duck paint? That's funny, I got a problem with it.

Speaker 2: 1:15:19

Come on now the worst commentary the worst deep dive ever. I just don't trust it. Calling her a waterfowl in the moment of her. Alright, sorry Coach, that was so stupid.

Speaker 3: 1:15:32

The champagne, though the no, no, the champagne, though they're not opening the champagne. Daphne and I have versions of this conversation all the time where I'm like, save it for what? What for? Who is the princess of some fucking country coming through because, if not, let's drink this bottle of fucking wine. And in one time it was hilarious because we took this bottle of wine and we've had. We went on our trip and we had this bottle of wine and no, no, no, let's save it. And we took it, and and a bunch of us were getting together for a meal and we opened this bottle that we've had forever and the wine had gone bad and I was like see you, see this shit. I was like our big fancy bottle of wine. I mean, we had other shit to drink, that was the point. But it was just sort of like drink the wine. Like I'm constantly on Daphne's case, like you don't have to like not drink the wine, drink it, it's there, it's good, drink it.

Speaker 2: 1:16:32

There's a couple schools of thought on this one and drink it anyway. There's a couple, there's a couple schools of thought on this one, and I love that coach and live in the moment, and why wait? And all that stuff is really uh profound. Um, I do, I have to admit I do get excited about having something. It's not always, I guess, maybe it's a byproduct when you grow up, like in a. I think that's a lot of uh happens.

Speaker 2: 1:16:53

A lot of immigrant families, um, where you have like a formal, uh, living room that no one can sit in, it's like just for guests, like so you're. There's always this anticipation element right, but all the the couches have plastic on them to protect them for the moment that the queen of england arrives and you're like, right, but she's never, you know, I mean like, and so you go, why? So sometimes you have backlash against that, which is like, why would you ever do do that? And then there's the, the other thing where it's like oh, it is nice to have something to look forward to. So there's a balance there. One of the things I wrote an article one time about how no one has, um, the, the thing that, uh, you can't. I did a bunch of bunch of articles about this stuff. But, like on craigslist, people are given away like hutches. You know what a hutch they call it they display cabinet for china.

Speaker 2: 1:17:42

China cabinet right they call them different things in different parts of the country because for by and large, gen x, uh millennials, gen z have no fucking use to to display uh plateware flat flatware that they. That is not being used like what, what?

Speaker 3: 1:18:01

even yeah right.

Speaker 2: 1:18:03

So there's that there. You know, part of it is like appropriate, and then part of it is like it really really, um, it's hard. It can be hard to discern what a special moment. So what is? What? Is that Exactly what you're saying, coach? Like oh, so this is wine worthy, like this moment, right?

Speaker 2: 1:18:22

And I think I know in my family we do a terrible job celebrating wins, to the point where right around last christmas we had, we had put together so many life-changing victories for our kids, for all these things, and we didn't have any time to celebrate it. We had. No, we just like keep, we're in the grind, we have to keep moving on. So we made like a. I was like listen, we're, you know, even if it's a small win, even if it's like, oh, this bill that we've been trying to pay, we finally paid it off, or you know this, whatever, something like that like we gotta keep track. So we made this little sort of you know, it's like a like a peer one imports.

Speaker 2: 1:19:02

I don't know if that even exists anymore, I don't think, but it's like a big glass jar and we just write a little slip of paper and and fold it up and stick it in there. So if we ever need I love uh, you know wins, we go. Look at, look at like you can visually see the wind stacking. And sometimes you go I know I didn't write that so somebody else put a win in there and then you know, when we have a family moment or whatever, we open it up. And now we have our wine worthy moments because we have so many little things. But life is so fast and it goes by in such a blink of an eye that it's like sometimes you just don't have time to to celebrate. But that doesn't mean it should it should immediately vanish from from sight. So so Roy opens this, he opens up the champagne, we get an insert of him pouring and keep going here, boss.

Speaker 4: 1:19:51

Oh shit, they better not have used of any of me smiling. And then the picture is Keely by herself looking great.

Speaker 4: 1:19:59

Obviously she's modeled before. She knows what she's doing. Uh, and it says keely jones woman on top, which I guess they are allowed to speak that way at vanity fair. Uh, she's scrolling through and says, uh, they didn't use any of the pictures with you in them, and she seems upset. He seems more concerned about what she is thinking. I think. I don't think that he gives a shit if people don't see him in the suit, like he doesn't care, but I am sure that she thinks he should be involved. So this is sort of a being concerned for each other when maybe it doesn't need to be.

Speaker 2: 1:20:40

I mean she should listen, she should be celebrating and she's thinking of him.

Speaker 4: 1:20:44

Yes, yeah, and she's worried about him not being present and he's worried. And he's worried about making sure yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:20:50

Yeah, so, but I don't think that's a bad thing for people to be selfless in that way, but you also do need to. At least you should celebrate.

Speaker 3: 1:20:58

It's an amazing art that I have a place of insecurity, of how do I fit in the picture with you now, ceo, and I literally am not in the picture.

Speaker 2: 1:21:23

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:21:24

I'm not the only one that noticed this Right.

Speaker 3: 1:21:27

Even the people at Vanity Fair think I don't fit. Yeah, they knew before I knew, they knew before I knew that I don't belong in the picture. So, um, I think I think that hits and I and I found myself wondering again. It's like two steps right. So that, for me, was what hit. Then I wondered is keely? She's very perceptive. She already told him to shut his pretty mouth. Is she feeling like, oh shit, this takes, he's really not gonna shut up? You know, shut his pretty mouth now. Is that part of her reaction or is this just its own pure reaction to like? We took all these pictures together. Why would you use any of them? I love him. I want the world to see me with him. Like I couldn't quite tell what she was doing here. What do y'all think?

Speaker 2: 1:22:11

I'm gonna let bosses say something, but I I definitely had a reaction like oh look, how the patriarchy weaves its way into this, where she should be fucking. This is her moment. Like it is a article about her where she looks fucking great and and she's been so conditioned to carry about care about what the man in her life thinks that now she's got to waste some of her intellectual capital or her or you know her moment to be like. You know, I'll take care of this. I'm going to call them and throw my weight around to make sure that the your, your, you know your manhood isn't impinged at all. I'm like what. I'm like she should. Just, you know what I mean. I'm like like such a uh, it seems so, so, um, relatable. It seemed like, yeah, so this is what women have to deal with all the time.

Speaker 4: 1:22:58

It fucking sucks I think the only thing about that is number one. The photo shoot was pitched as her and roy doing it together, to some extent at least, if nothing else, like oh shit, I asked you to take time out of your day to come down to my photo shoot and get dressed up and do a thing that I know that you don't love that much, and then they didn't even fucking use your picture. Like that sucks. I'm sorry, but it was framed in a way where it wasn't like they did a spread on her and then they were like oh, they didn't mention that you're my boyfriend. They should have. Like she was concerned about being in this because it felt especially exposed and she felt especially vulnerable. He helped her out with that and then he wasn't present in that final product that they had done together.

Speaker 4: 1:23:48

I will say what I took it more of as was as much as you should hype your friends up and I totally agree with that nobody should wait for their friends to have to hype them up like if you got a fucking promotion, go out and get yourself a drink or a piece of cake or whatever it is that you like. Like. I think that we are so taught like some sort of Puritan thing where it's like make sure that you're humble and don't celebrate yourself too much and don't talk up your achievement, like make sure that the people around you know that you don't think too highly of yourself. Where it becomes this terrible thing. Where it's like no, you just sold a fucking book, like fucking celebrate. Fucking tell people, like celebrate yourself, man. So it feels a little bit like they are so concerned with making sure that the other person is feeling okay that they're making themselves feel worse.

Speaker 4: 1:24:44

If she had said shit, they didn't use your photo, I'm sorry. You came down there and he was like no, it was fucking fun and you look great, I'm fine with this. That would be the end of this conversation. It seemed more like the back and forth great, I'm fine with this. That would be the end of this conversation. It seemed more like the back and forth Hints at a larger issue rather than it being the issue itself.

Speaker 3: 1:25:00

Really well said yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:25:02

Yeah, good points by both of you. He says she's going to call him. Don't you dare. You look powerful. You're fucking gorgeous. You look like a bilf. What is a?

Speaker 3: 1:25:17

bilf, a boss I'd like to fornicate with, I believe.

Speaker 2: 1:25:23

Is that not right? But boss is the B word. I mean usually I assumed it was boss. Not business person, business boss.

Speaker 4: 1:25:34

There are so many ilf jokes at this point that I don't know. It's especially wild to me that the idea that somebody who had a child would no longer become fuckable. How do you think she ended up that way in the first place? I don't.

Speaker 2: 1:25:49

You never lived until you've had a blowjob from a senior officer.

Speaker 3: 1:25:54

I just like somebody wanted to have sex with her Lieutenant.

Speaker 4: 1:26:00

I don't get it.

Speaker 3: 1:26:03

No, you're right, you are correct.

Speaker 2: 1:26:06

Oh yeah, go on, show me. Then she says. And then she hops up and they walk out of frame. Well, not before he starts walking upstairs and, lo and behold, we're back in the crown and anchor. Tell you what boy. We're cutting pretty quick here. Now we're back on Ted, with all the great stuff. We're going to bring it on down and Coach, walk us through here with Coach and Beard.

Speaker 3: 1:26:36

So this is Beard, so are you going to say anything? And Ted, in his usual deflecting way well, I mean eventually yeah, you may have noticed through the years I can be quite loquacious. And Beard, no, don't do this, not now. No, to Nate the anonymous sword, let's the o is not like oh, that's what you mean, but more like oh, we're doing, we're doing that now.

Speaker 2: 1:27:05

Huh, you knew, you know too huh, um sorry, no, no, no, it's a big deal like beard.

Speaker 3: 1:27:12

Beard is like yeah, because they haven't done this yet, yeah yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:27:18

We both know the truth, so it's said now. So, wow, what makes you think it was Nate? Ted asks quite unconvincingly, and Beard just looks at him. He says yeah well, you know my philosophy when it comes to cats, babies, and apologies, coach, you got to let them come to you. Beard says that's not going to happen. Some people need a little push. And Ted, that's not the way he gets down. Yeah well, I ain't pushing nobody. I think it'll help. Nate will be fine. No, it'll help you, coach. You keep trying to hold all this in. I'm afraid your mustache is going to pop off. Ted chuckles at that. I did too. Oh, then I'll look like that fella from the Hangover. Beard says Bradley Cooper, and Ted says oh, you're too good to me, cooper, and uh. Ted says oh, you're too good to me, uh, and. And then we get beard saying and I like your mustache. Um, I thought they had to get this out. They had to establish beard nose.

Speaker 3: 1:28:28

Ted knows, beard knows, ted knows, like all that kind of stuff yeah um, the bradley cooper joke, though I thought was was like fun, kind of like inside. Just it worked on its own and it had like an inside baseball kind of vibe to me of like them, kind of like, oh, bradley cooper's a friend of ours and we're gonna you know, we're gonna have a little fun here uh, but he was saying like I look like ed helms, right well, yeah, he certainly.

Speaker 3: 1:28:54

Yeah, bradley Cooper is definitely an upgrade. It'd be like you know me thinking like whoever in a movie and you going, oh no, I meant Denzel. Like I'd be like, oh yeah, you know what I mean. So it kind of had that kind of deal to it.

Speaker 2: 1:29:06

Right, it was fun, right, it's very sweet like for all the times we bitch about uh, um, beard not stepping up and not headbutting nate and not, uh, you know, doing all the stuff that we, you know, are these guys not reading? You know the trajectory of nate's uh, you know, frustration or whatever. Beard is pretty active here and I love the look, the look that beard gives ted when ted is like kind of faints, well, how do you, how do you even know? And just beard gives him this withering look. It's what boss gives me all the time. She's like what, get the fuck over yourself. Like it's that we both know what the fuck is going on here.

Speaker 2: 1:29:50

You can pretend to do your little fucking song and dance. Help economy my ass. But it's that, it's that thing. And and those are great friends to have because they check you. And when we talk about oh no, if you don't have boys, um, sometimes your boys are or your girls and um, it all that matters is you have people in your life that'll honestly tell you, uh, when you're full of shit and I really love that between a beard and Ted and beards, not, he's not pulling any punches, but he's not being a dick about it he's just like, especially when Ted's like, oh no, I'm not, I ain't doing that, and he's like, no, no, I think I'll help you, like it's a of awesome, go ahead, boss so the only thing that I'll say about that is it can be difficult to always be beard.

Speaker 4: 1:30:42

Now, luckily, I've had a lot of good relationships where I don't need to constantly play the beard role. But we saw in season one where beard said I don't want to drink.

Speaker 4: 1:30:52

Somebody selfish enough to pick up players feelings over a coach's duties yeah and now he's doing it again, and I'm sure he will do it once more in season three. Um, uh, one of my five, the meanest of my five and when I say that I mean that in the best way. Like she and I don't love things, we don't get sappy, we are not criers and we love each other in a way that doesn't make sense, unless you are such a stone cold bitch that only the power of another stone cold bitch could reach you. So I sent her a thread the other day. Some women said that she got stoned and had some thoughts, and one of them was uh, don't bother checking on your strong friends. They want to die too, but they can't tell you because you're such a sensitive bitch. And I sent it to her and then she was like wow, and now it's just like.

Speaker 4: 1:31:55

Every once in a while, if you are the person that is consistently strong for another person in your relationship, it gets to a point where not not just the exasperation about being the strong one, but also it is difficult sometimes to be vulnerable and soft and tell people about shit that's going on when you're used to being the strong one and so I think, like I don't think ted and beard have a good, a good.

Speaker 2: 1:32:21

I don't think it's always beard being beard for ted.

Speaker 4: 1:32:23

I think ted you know also I believe that about the relationship between jason sudeikis and brendan hunt 100. What we are shown on the show is when Beard had his darkest time, when he was at his worst, he was by himself and he went out alone. He decided to go out alone, but he went out alone to shake off the West Ham game and to get over whatever was happening with Jane, and Ted didn't help him with any of that. So I think that we need to put their relationship in the context that it seems like beard is the person that Ted comes to and Ted might not necessarily be the person that beard goes to.

Speaker 3: 1:33:09

I think this is worth, very much worth revisiting. I think you may be highlighting a development. Um, okay, that's really that's. I think that's super interesting. Um, for those who are going through this, in order, I don't want to say any more than that, but I think that's really quite interesting that yeah, beard is a tough moment. It is clearly that's presented as his crisis of faith, I mean to the point of literally praying in front of a cross and yeah, ted can't take that particular journey with him.

Speaker 4: 1:33:54

And I firmly believe that Ted is giving Beard a lot of other things and plenty of love in a bunch of other ways. But I think, just like being mindful of, are you consistently going back to the same person to get your cup refilled and, if you are, who is filling their cup and are you making sure that they're taken care of also?

Speaker 2: 1:34:24

I love it, um, I I love that, uh, in your world, um, the, the understood communicate between you and your one of your five, who's a quote-unquote stone cold bitch, is they also want to die, but but that your life is also is awesome, as you've related to us, so I like that. There's the duality there, that that that exists inside the.

Speaker 4: 1:34:42

Sometimes you want to die Not always but it's like every once in a while you're going through something at work and you're like I fucking told you, motherfuckers, 18 times before what this answer was, and then you want to die.

Speaker 2: 1:34:54

And that's my definite. That's what I was saying. There's always some other bullshit coming down the track, like at work. That was that's all I would say. Um, also, whenever you disagree with coach, you go okay, okay and then, and then when you disagree with me, I get like all caps flaming. I get gifts it depends on what you, I get gifs of people giving each other finger and hate mail and mail bombs.

Speaker 4: 1:35:19

All you do as a coach is like okay, if you got it as close to right as coach does, then we wouldn't have to worry about that.

Speaker 2: 1:35:27

Well, that's impossible.

Speaker 4: 1:35:28

He looks like.

Speaker 2: 1:35:29

Denzel True.

Speaker 3: 1:35:31

Very true.

Speaker 2: 1:35:35

All right, we're're gonna move over to. We get a. We get an establishing shot of afc richmond um, and we have keely walking into rebecca's office and first thing in the morning, uh and uh, boss, will you walk us through this? Uh, beautiful scene here yeah, of course.

Speaker 4: 1:35:50

Um, so they walk in. Keely walks in, she says hi, babe. And it's just a shot of uh rebecca standing up into frame in order to indicate her excitement immediately. Uh, and keely says very nonchalantly have you got a second and rebecca says yeah, of course, and then cut to couch Keeley sobbing I am so sorry. Rebecca says don't be, and she is also crying it's good, it's great you helped this panda become a lion, Just sobbing on each other.

Speaker 3: 1:36:26

Rebecca, of course, says I am so proud of you I have to stop you there.

Speaker 2: 1:36:31

Did you not catch that?

Speaker 3: 1:36:32

That line.

Speaker 2: 1:36:34

You hate, that line.

Speaker 3: 1:36:36

Wait what? Does panda become a lion? I hated that line. Well, the point I think of the entire show is pandas have a way to. Oh, no, no, no yes, like the goal.

Speaker 2: 1:36:55

Like, if you're a panda, you are less than and needed to ever. The goal is for everybody to get to be alive.

Speaker 3: 1:37:00

Thank god you came along and I'm not. You know, I'm not one of those people anymore. I, I, just I don't think the story lions are bad, but neither do I think pandas are bad. And I just this line, I was like no, yeah actually I.

Speaker 4: 1:37:16

Great point, great, yes, yeah, I. I think that it is fine, if you consider yourself currently to be a panda and want to become a lion, that those are like current state and goals and working towards that, totally fine. But to say across the board, like pandas should become what? No man also I'm not sure if I've mentioned it enough around here but lions themselves I'm talking about actual male lions Fucking their lives suck. People don't know this shit, but their lives suck. They get kicked out of their own pride.

Speaker 4: 1:37:47

They have to go take over another one. They're sometimes in charge of that pride, which means that they are basically kept around a security and like a bang stud in order to knock up all the lionesses who actually get shit done.

Speaker 2: 1:38:01

And they do that for two years and then they're kicked out by a younger line like their lives blow they're chased out well for the two years they're lazy bastards, and they don't even do the hunting that's fine, but then they have to go as outcasts and they usually pair up with another outcast lion, yes, and then they have to. You know, if they can, if they can manage to find a pride where they can kill the male lion and all of his babies, then they can take over that pride and it's really, it's really it's so hysterical to me that people reference the lion, especially in regards to like patriarchy within the United States.

Speaker 4: 1:38:38

They're like oh, oh yeah, I'm the, I'm a lion, I'm a big guy like and I'm like it sucks to be a lion. All the women are like hanging out and fucking hunting together and forming a community and your bitch ass is like constantly watching out for the next guy who's gonna literally kill you. This is this is what you think is a good society. This is what you were hoping for come on, my, my, uh.

Speaker 2: 1:39:01

My dad was in the peace corps in kenya and both my younger sister and I went to visit him and she went to visit him. And he's a cheap son of a bitch he was he was frugal, I will say and so he planned it for them and she was telling me like they were in a tent in ambaseli national park and he could hear the lions like they don't sound like what you think. They me like they were in a tent in ambuseli national park and he could hear the lions they don't sound like what you think they sound like they have this like huffing kind of thing that they do with the grub. But I'm like, wait, you're in a tent. So my dad tried to pull that shit on me. He was like okay, my boy. So my god, it's a tent.

Speaker 2: 1:39:34

I'm like we are not. You're not your damn mom. I'm like we are staying in a hotel and you can still hear the lions, but I still, to this day, my father's passed but I still, to this day, make fun of my sister. I'm like that's when you stand up and you go. No, that's crazy, because she's like we could hear the lions like 50 meters away. And you're like are you, are you like?

Speaker 4: 1:40:06

I just I just need to explain the difference between your moment with your father on vacation where you're like, no, we're not doing this, is when he was in africa with the peace corps and he wanted you to sleep in a tent next to the lions, and you were like absolutely not, are we doing that? Mine was a family vacation to Cedar Point, ohio, which is where they have an amusement park, the name of which I can't remember anymore. It might be Cedar Point, I don't even know. But we were on in Ohio. It was me and my four brothers and sisters and my mother, and because Kathy and I are the same person, they were like well, you need to sleep in. You're sharing the queen size bed with Kathy. Obviously, it's the least weird combination of all of these.

Speaker 4: 1:40:52

I was like that's fine, that's absolutely fine, that's no problem. I hear my mother saying oh no, I forgot my sleeping shorts and I, I'm like, you're wearing pajama pants, she's like, but I have shorts that I sleep in so that I don't get too hot, and I'm like oh well, you're wearing like how interested coach you're, like I've seen this porno. Um no, this is this is the fucking thing.

Speaker 4: 1:41:14

I was like okay I was like guess what, Tonight you're wearing pajama pants. And she was like but I'm going to be hot. And I was like I do not care, you have to wear pants if we're sleeping in a bed together.

Speaker 2: 1:41:26

You actually have mentioned this before. Yes, this rings a bell. Yeah, oh my fucking God. Yeah, this rings a bell.

Speaker 4: 1:41:32

I saw her in the corner like trying to like, very casually, without anybody notice, slip her pajama pants off so that she could get into bed and share a cover with me. I was like, if you do that, I am sleeping in the car, I am putting my foot down. You absolutely are not allowed to sleep in a bed with me pantsless.

Speaker 2: 1:41:50

That is uncalled for listen, I get it, but I have sensory issues, so I know like sometimes you're just like oh, I cannot sleep in trousers, I don't know she had pajama pants, I know, but I'm saying pajama pants it's different. It's different, though it's not.

Speaker 4: 1:42:07

You can feel it and you're like okay, crap, like and that would feel more comfortable to you than sleeping in bed without pants with your daughter. Well, your underwear yeah underwear, it's panties on. I'm leaving. How old was she at the?

Speaker 2: 1:42:21

time We'll talk about the appropriate age to say panties.

Speaker 4: 1:42:25

Oh, oh, oh oh. I was 25 years old, I was a grown-up. This was all of my siblings and I were grown-ups.

Speaker 2: 1:42:35

So it's just a you thing really. It's just like you're uncomfortable with your own sexuality and you can't. That's all.

Speaker 4: 1:42:40

It's not about it's not about sexuality. It's not about sexuality it is about. It is about bare upper thigh and how. That is not a thing that you should see outside of a swimming pool well, I I just how do we?

Speaker 3: 1:42:54

how is it that I'm the I'm the where I am. Yeah, that's where I am.

Speaker 2: 1:43:00

Wow, I am not the resident prude anymore. That's all. The sudden pulse of the human anatomy should not be seen after 6 pm. That's like when Jack Donaghy goes.

Speaker 4: 1:43:13

Yeah, what am I? A farmer.

Speaker 2: 1:43:15

Exactly yes.

Speaker 4: 1:43:17

He comes in in a tuxedo.

Speaker 3: 1:43:18

That's a great moment.

Speaker 2: 1:43:20

And she's like why are you wearing tuxedos after 6 pm? What am I, a farmer like?

Speaker 4: 1:43:22

he's wearing a tux, I just listen. If being a prude means that I don't sleep in a bed with my mother with her pants off, I will. I will take that. I will fucking own that shit that's fine, that's fine.

Speaker 2: 1:43:34

It's weird, but it's fine Now, okay, so we have this love fest here with Keely and Rebecca, and boss, keep taking it away, please.

Speaker 4: 1:43:47

So as they're hugging, you know the best best friend, she's so proud of her, so happy for her, loves her so much gets an alert on her phone oh shit, ruperpert's just bought west ham, which of course is a big deal like as her job and also because of her ex and everything else. And she specifically says to think that I thought that he gave me the rest of the team as a kind gesture, because fucking of course he didn't. He gave away his owning shares so they could buy a different club.

Speaker 2: 1:44:22

I didn't see that coming.

Speaker 1: 1:44:23

He seemed like he had really turned a corner and was really nice.

Speaker 4: 1:44:27

That's funny, but on the plus side, as Rebecca points out, she is still just slightly reassured that he is the conniving bastard she always believed him to be.

Speaker 2: 1:44:40

Selfish conniving cock. He is the conniving bastard she always believed him to be.

Speaker 4: 1:44:42

Yeah, yeah, at least selfish conniving cock, yeah, selfish, conniving cock. You can wake up in the morning knowing that rupert manion will still be a dick I thought it was key here that um keely goes with.

Speaker 3: 1:44:55

Yeah, it does return a certain balance to the universe, doesn't it? Especially with all the Star Wars.

Speaker 2: 1:45:01

Yeah. Oh absolutely, oh wow.

Speaker 3: 1:45:05

They definitely stuck that one.

Speaker 2: 1:45:08

And then Rebecca clarifies what does she say here, boss?

Speaker 4: 1:45:11

She says you absolutely cannot go work for him.

Speaker 2: 1:45:14

Yeah, promise me.

Speaker 4: 1:45:17

Which is a thing that you, absolutely you wouldn't even need to promise. Of course, I'm not going to do that.

Speaker 2: 1:45:22

Well, keely never promises. She says he can't afford me. I was like, oh, that's not a promise, that's not any promise that I've ever made.

Speaker 3: 1:45:28

Oh, is that how you took that, oh I took that as this note. Oh, I was like oh. I took that as a note. No, no, no, no, I'm totally kidding, I'm totally kidding.

Speaker 2: 1:45:38

Keely's a real, real shithead. I think we've established that she's very two-faced on this show.

Speaker 4: 1:45:43

She's 100% going to betray her best friend, father-in-law and boyfriend. Oh gosh, she can't wait to work for Rupert In order to go work with a guy who's a total knob.

Speaker 2: 1:45:52

No, no, no, no, it was great. She says he can't afford me. And what does Rebecca say here, boss, oh, no. She says Richmond's my football club. You know that you know, that? Yes, I like that.

Speaker 4: 1:46:05

And then Rebecca says well, let's see if we get promoted, Maybe you'll want to work with us.

Speaker 2: 1:46:10

You might not want to work with us. You might not want to work with us.

Speaker 3: 1:46:14

Yeah, you know, I'm just going to toss this in too because there's the connection we've seen with Keeley and there's a connection we've seen between Keeley and I. Almost just went forward in time.

Speaker 2: 1:46:32

Ted Lasso. Keeley and Ted Lasso.

Speaker 3: 1:46:36

Yeah, sure, why not Fuck it? Listen, man, next time we do a deep dive on a series, how about we go straight through the goddamn series? Yes, no, I was gonna. I was gonna fuck up. It doesn't even. I just like pretend none of that ever happened. As soon as I started, I was like wait a minute, that doesn happened. As soon as I started, I was like wait a minute, it's good.

Speaker 2: 1:47:01

Coach, it's fine. You saved it, it's perfectly fine. Now, this is something that frustrates me a little bit. But, boss, what is the advice that Rebecca imparts to Keely? It's not my favorite, but anyway, go ahead.

Speaker 4: 1:47:20

It's a bit of advice for being a boss Hire your best friend. I don't agree with it either, but I, like I said before, I don't make work friends. My sister had to call me Eleanor Shellstrup. Like my, work for me is not a social thing, work for me is a work thing. I understand what she was trying to convey, that she considers Keely your best friend and wanted to talk about that closeness. But in real life, only hire your best friend if you also know you could fire her and she will remain your best friend.

Speaker 2: 1:47:55

Wow, wow, god. That is not the problem. That's so funny. That's not the problem. That's so funny, that's not the problem I had at all.

Speaker 3: 1:48:01

When it's it's god, boss, I don't even know what your take was, because I thought you were going in, that I was like, well, no, no, no, god, no, are you kidding me, coach?

Speaker 2: 1:48:13

all coach and I ever do is try to work together. And then we're like oh, here, we made 11, you take it. No, you take it, no, no, you, you take it, no, no, you take it. Oh, I'm gonna fire myself, coach. No, I'm gonna fire myself.

Speaker 2: 1:48:26

Like I'm telling you, it depends on the relationship. But, like, all I ever want to do is work with coach in any capacity, we could be fucking cleaning closets and we would have a the time of our lives and would never have to worry about, uh, whatever, if I know, boss, you say uh, you know, you're in the lego movie, so we have nothing to worry about. There would never be any altercation between us. But I think we both understand that if there's an altercation, um, we would both try to take the high road and then eventually I would manipulate coach into firing himself. So I think that's that's generally the way. Uh, no, no. But what I didn't like about it's like oh, hire your best friend, we're establishing that rebecca's her best friend, so she can't hire rebecca. So it just feels stupid. I'm like what?

Speaker 1: 1:49:14

that's dumb yeah, I mean the line okay, rebecca, you want to?

Speaker 2: 1:49:17

get hired Like hire your best friend. Listen, I love this moment because you don't see good relationships between women, although more and more you do, which is great, which is a really good thing about how far television has come, and when we Remember when Rebecca looked at Keely's feet on her couch yeah, in the beginning, right, and now look at where they are and you're like they're on that couch that she had her goddamn feet on that. Rebecca noticed right and she's oh, you're kind of a scary woman.

Speaker 2: 1:49:46

you're very frightening, but I decided to kind of and it turns out that's what it took to build a best friendship. Um, although, you know, it kind of uh, kind of maligns the relationship with. Sassy, but you know that's fine. We can have multiple best friends.

Speaker 4: 1:50:03

Yeah, best friend is not a person, best friend is a level.

Speaker 2: 1:50:05

Oh right, yes, so you say, so you say yeah. Oh I like that.

Speaker 4: 1:50:12

Mindy Kaling came up with that. I need to give her credit. Is that right? As you said it, I was like yes, like not.

Speaker 3: 1:50:20

Is that right, as you said it? I was like yes, not just. Oh, that's clever, but I agree. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:50:28

Yeah, one of my friends called me a dear friend one time and then we left the person he introduced me to as a dear friend. I said if you call me a dear friend ever again, the next thing you'll feel is like you're self-bleeding. So just be very careful about how you call what you call me. And I know I'm a very positive person, but it's such. It was so gross. I was like and here's my dear friend.

Speaker 4: 1:50:52

I'm like what the fuck? What just happened? Who am I? 100% would have made a phone joke. This is Orlando Bishop.

Speaker 2: 1:50:58

He's my dear 100% would have made a fond joke. This is Orlando Bishop. He's my dear friend. Oh, you would have been a fond. Oh, yeah, see, thank God you weren't there. I don't even like hearing that. You would have done it, just terrible.

Speaker 3: 1:51:08

Wow, that took me a beat. That's how bad it is.

Speaker 2: 1:51:15

It's ridiculous. Wow, awful, awful way to live. Now I'm crying again. He says and we get a, we get a, we pull out. We were really tight on them and we pull out, and we we close on them. You know, sharing a really nice, warm hug. It's great, they're both great, it's wonderful. You know, passes the Bechdel test in a million different ways, which is, which is good, um, and then we cut to uh, uh outside, uh and uh of afc richmond and you got like man, uh, you're what. What is happening here on the street here, coach?

Speaker 3: 1:51:57

people are streaming in. We've got a scalper. I mean this, it's going down. These are not the uh, these are not the low points in the season at all. We see crown anchor folks pouring in. We see it in time lapse have we ever seen time lapse? I don't, is that right?

Speaker 2: 1:52:16

yeah, that's, I mean, look at that look at bat pb and j walk in, and then we see, okay, it's game. We're trying to establish game day but like that, I was like what is happening, like that's a good point.

Speaker 3: 1:52:29

I didn't give it much thought, but you're right, it's not. That is not a device that has been used. Um, yeah, very much, or at all. Um, but yeah, so more more.

Speaker 2: 1:52:41

Sorry, go ahead no, I feel like we talked about this on the rapid reaction. This is a very, uh, very specific to you, coach, bishop, where, um, um, you, uh, oh, maybe we didn't. Maybe did we not have a rapid reaction for this? No, then we talked about it somehow, where this is like a maybe we just laughed about it in private where, roy, we cut to the locker room Once we established it was game day and now we see everybody in their kits and are all purdied up and all gussied up for the big match and Roy goes and customizes all of his pump-up language and, coach, like we laughed so hard at this. It was so specific, but you really appreciated it, coach, so walk us through this. He goes right to Jan Maas and what does he say?

Speaker 3: 1:53:30

So you get out there and you beat him, and then we go over to Bumber Catch, you smash it, right, you got them, fuck them. It's a third play play. And then we get to jamie. He says yo, coach. And then uh, roy freezes and looks at him and uh, jamie's left to give himself a pound. Uh, there, and uh, yeah, there we go. But it's apparently the whole Roy forgives, forgave Jamie thing cannot go as smoothly as maybe we all would have hoped yeah, I think there's still some friction there.

Speaker 2: 1:54:17

I'm gonna pull the plug here, which is not something I thought I was gonna do. I thought I'm gonna go a little bit longer, but but here's the reason. The next scene is gonna be nate staring up at the um pyramid of success, the john wooden pyramid success, and there's, it's gonna, it's gonna, it's gonna take some doing, and I don't want to, uh, I don't want to step on coach's toes. I know there's, there's a lot here, um, and it also suggests a tonal shift. Uh, at this point in the episode, um, exactly like when people are getting up, we have to also, uh, keep the balance. So it is ted lasso, so so, uh, understanding that that moment is coming, let's here and we will pick that up in part four.

Speaker 3: 1:55:04

Going back into the locker room real quick. Definitely, having the specific message for each player is great For me. It reminded me usually it's teams LeBron teams. Periodically You'll see some video where he's doing his special handshake with all different teammates. I've seen it for teachers, like with small kids in their class. They'll have a dedicated or a specific handshake with each kid and there's something about it. It communicates so much. Something about it. It communicates so much like if you watch a teacher do a special handshake with each kid.

Speaker 3: 1:55:44

There's a ton you know about what's going on in that classroom, right that, like I could take you through hours and hours of describing. I could just show you a 90 second video of these handshakes and you're gonna get and so to me, part of what was like what is very cool about that is roy is gonna coach each player, right, yeah, yeah, yeah. Who needs to hear this? Who needs to hear that? Like you would never say fuck him to sam, not because of his genteel ears, but that fuck him isn't what's gonna to get Sam ready to do Sam things. So I just really like that insight. You got to know your players to be able to pull that off. I love it.

Speaker 4: 1:56:31

Absolutely right, I'd like to add, it could also be used as a punishment, as Captain Holt did on Brooklyn Nine-Nine. When Jake Peralta refused to get to the meetings on time, captain Holt created specialized handshakes with everybody in the room and Jake had to sit and watch. That's right. That's a beautiful point.

Speaker 2: 1:56:54

Andre Brauer, I know.

Speaker 4: 1:56:58

He knew exactly how to twist the knife. Jake was so pissed he was going to die again.

Speaker 3: 1:57:03

I remember that. Actually I remember it was funny. It was really funny, Absolutely Because it was so brilliant. It was such a in itself. Where are you going to do? Call HR. You know what I mean. Oh my God, it was torture If he had beaten Peralta in the front of that room? It would not have been nearly as bad as that.

Speaker 4: 1:57:20

And so fucking petty to spend that much time with each individual person just to piss off Peralta.

Speaker 3: 1:57:26

Just to piss him off, amazing.

Speaker 2: 1:57:31

It was funny. Yeah, it's great. What a great show. Okay, we are going to stop there. Actually, there's a tiny little scene with Akufo and Francis coming in to sit behind Keely and Rebecca in the owner's box, which you know you didn't pay for those seats. The more money you have, the more money, the more freebies you get.

Speaker 3: 1:57:51

I know the more shit people give you.

Speaker 2: 1:57:53

Yep, unbelievable. But that's a little thing before we see the Nate thing. That's where we'll pick it up next time. Coach, where do people find you if they want to find you?

Speaker 3: 1:58:04

I'm going to keep beating the drum Come join our community. We are having some fun in there Videos getting posted, jokes being made, folks trying to get their hands on video of Coach having his soul ripped from his body by Boss. It's all great, it's all great.

Speaker 2: 1:58:24

Come on, in which time? Yeah, what a terrible feature of my existence, boss. What about you?

Speaker 4: 1:58:37

Still on threads at emilychambers.31 and at blue sky, which is dumbly chambers. Um, fully admit, it is April and the and that means a tax season in the U? S which for some reason affects every single fucking accountant, Even when I hate taxes. I promise I will be more up and around. Uh, hit me up, I will respond.

Speaker 2: 1:58:58

Yeah, see that you are. Um, that's it, folks. Thank you for joining us for this trip down memory lane. We are inverting the pyramid of success together and we'll be back with part four next time. Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you for all your support and kindness, thank you for all the people, people who, when we ask you to ring the bell, you go in and at some point. I want to read through our one star reviews because, uh, I like the those of you who are going in there and giving us, uh, good reviews. We really appreciate it actually really helps, because I feel like over the last couple, there's been enough ones like some people will put once, like I just wish I could coach people about what a one-star review is. So a lot of our one-star reviews are like oh man, I love these guys and I love everything and I listened to them for two years and, man, they're great, but I don't like what they said about uh nate in episode four and then you go wait once, like.

Speaker 2: 1:59:56

So anyway, one star, I don't I. Just, you know what I mean, I'm like I I yeah. So anyway, one star, you know what I mean, I'm like I I.

Speaker 2: 2:00:01

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Speaker 2: 2:00:37

Show Panda some motherfucking respect are.

Speaker 3: 2:00:39

Richmond, richmond Till we die. Show Panda some motherfucking respect.

Speaker 4: 2:00:43

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3: 2:00:46

Yeah, you're on mute, sir.

Speaker 4: 2:00:50

You're just into nothing, into the void.

Speaker 2: 2:00:54

You know what's funny? That's so weird. My thing said oh, your mic is temporarily on, and then it decided to arbitrarily mute me. So that's a weird. My thing said oh, your mic is temporarily on, and then it decided to arbitrarily mute me. So that's.

Speaker 4: 2:01:02

Yeah, that's a trick arbitrarily?

Speaker 2: 2:01:04

yeah, no, it's really yeah all right, shit, we'll see you next time. I hate this show.