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The Tedcast is a deep dive podcast exploring the masterpiece that is Ted Lasso on Apple TV+.
Sponsored by Pajiba and The Antagonist, join Boss Emily Chambers and Coaches Bishop and Castleton as they ruminate on all things AFC Richmond.
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Producer: Thor Benander
Producer: Dustin Rowles
Producer: Dan Hamamura
Producer: Seth Freilich
Editor: Luke Morey
Opening Theme: Andrew Chanley
Opening Intro: Timothy Durant
MORE FROM COACH BISHOP:
Studioworks: Coach Bishop
Unstuck AF: Coach Bishop's own podcast
Align Performance: Coach Bishop's company
MORE FROM THE ANTAGONIST:
Mind Muscle with Simon de Veer - Join professional "trainer to the stars" Simon de Veer as he takes you through the history, science and philosophy of all the fads and trends of modern health and fitness.
Welcome to our Ted Lasso talk, the Tedcast. Welcome all Greyhound fans, welcome all you sinners from the dog track and all the AFC Richmond fans around the world. It's the Lasso way around these parts with Coach, coach and Boss, without further ado, coach Castleton.
Speaker 2:Okay, welcome back everyone. I hit record because we were just having a great conversation about poor people and if you're really poor and you need some money to get ahead, mitt Romney says just grab 10,000, wherever yeah.
Speaker 4:From your parents who will have it. That's always my classic example, I bet like.
Speaker 3:I bet to this day. It's just unbelievable.
Speaker 4:God bless that guy. I have a distinct hatred for Mitt Romney that I don't think other people do. A lot of other people are like, well, he tries to be a good guy, he tries to meet people in the middle. He's not as bad. I'm always like, no, fuck that guy. Like in that case you could have become a democrat, you could have supported not donald trump, but instead you went to dinner with him. So like, sorry, mitt, you're not getting any credit from me, uh, but he did give us. Just ask your parents if you don't have the money. Just ask your parents for ten thousand dollars, or. And he also gave us uh, he seemed like he would be good at sport and I do say he is good at sport.
Speaker 3:A lot like it's oh, I don't know that I I either don't remember that or never heard it. What?
Speaker 4:it's just. It's like when he was at his most, like mitbot 5000, trying to connect with the average person, he did say I met a. I met a gentleman the other day and he was very tall and I thought well, well, you must be great at sport. But he didn't do sport at all and I was like what's wrong with you? Also, somebody said what's your favorite kind of food or something. He was like what's your favorite meat? And he was like my favorite meat is hot dog, hot dog. He said hot dog. He didn't even say hot dogs. He wasn't even like I like the dish that is a bun with toppings.
Speaker 3:I like hot dog. Yeah, he likes, yeah, hot dog meat.
Speaker 4:I like hot dog meat. Hot dog meat makes me cringe.
Speaker 3:I remember summers we would sit out and sip Chardonnay and hot dog. What are you talking about Eat?
Speaker 2:hot dog.
Speaker 4:Yeah, chardonnay, is your slumming it wine, wine, obviously. What?
Speaker 2:I mean, it's not a merlot, but come on well, hot dog is like, uh, like fish. You know right.
Speaker 4:One hot dog, many hot dog, right only in the case that I don't want to eat most of them this is the um.
Speaker 2:This is the version. I remember seeing a, a, uh, the first time I heard maths plural. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, it was uh an emma watson uh interview, when she was like a little squirt. She was the actor who played, uh hermione granger, of course, and they were like, oh, what do you uh, what do you, um, what? Are you?
Speaker 4:good at what do you like?
Speaker 2:and she was like she said sport singular, and then somehow in the same, she's like sport, I like sport, that I like sport, and I was like with sport and then, and then someone was like well, what about, like you know, school? She's like yeah, and I like maths, or something.
Speaker 3:So what's the deal with math? Because I just got introduced to that. I feel like I may have missed the whole thing that was going on in the world, but like I just got introduced to that, I feel like I may have missed the whole thing that was going on in the world, but like I just got introduced to that this year and it was like who the fuck put an S?
Speaker 2:at the end of math.
Speaker 4:It's because, it's math.
Speaker 2:Mathematics, mathematics. No, no, we're solving the wrong problems.
Speaker 3:There are people starving in the world and there's somebody figuring out that we can put an s at the end of fucking math like why we don't?
Speaker 4:we don't, we don't need to do all that no I would like to also.
Speaker 2:Uh well, I think it's more important than people I'll check counterpoint, I'll check.
Speaker 4:I'll counterpoint check at work. Uh, I would also like to very briefly mention that, um, I can't remember when let's say 2021, maybe Mitt Romney really got on my shit list by dressing up as Ted Lasso for Halloween with Senator Kyrsten Sinema.
Speaker 4:Is that correct, Yep yep, yep, yep, he dressed up as Ted Lasso, she dressed up as Rebecca. No, they posted some stuff. It really. Yep, yep, he dressed up as Ted Lasso, she dressed up as Rebecca. They posted some stuff. It really I hated it. And then he made the mistake of tweeting clear eyes, full hearts can't lose.
Speaker 2:No, no, Wait what. He tweeted Friday Night Lights. He did. He did when he was wearing Ted. No, yes he did.
Speaker 4:He's not that much of a robot I know that he is for a fact because I got suspended from twitter because I tweeted at him plus. That's the wrong fucking show. You dork ass loser and then you stupid fucking wait.
Speaker 3:why did you get blamed for that? I've seen shit on twitter that would fucking dwarf that Like what it was more for my good than for Twitter's.
Speaker 4:They were like I'd already been tweeting at many senators, so much that day. They were like girl, you need a time out.
Speaker 3:You need to settle the fuck down.
Speaker 4:Go chill out on Facebook. You can't bring that, You're going to get into trouble. So that was on me Kind of hope.
Speaker 2:We never mentioned, uh, kristin cinema on this podcast, but, um, you know, wherever she is, hope, um hope, everything catches up with her. Yeah, can I?
Speaker 3:I just I will toss this in and promise to let you begin. I have become such a fan of either when others do it or I am not doing it, when I tell people that I hope they have the day they deserve. And that is what I will say to Senator Kyrsten Sinema May you have the life you deserve. Let you and the universe sort that out. I know what I think but I'm not even going to get involved. You and the universe sort that out. I think it's great.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, no, I hear that coach. Um, uh, I, uh, I am your host, coach castleton. The one speaking a second ago wishing people their deserve, uh, their just desserts is coach bishop, and of course, the dulcet tones that you hear in the background are our boss, emily Chambers. Now I am in a great mood because it's playoff hockey season and during playoff hockey season in the first few rounds, here's the problem with playoff hockey it's so good and you know, all my friends up will will back me up on this there. But, uh, it is so good that I'm like why do I ever watch the regular season? Playoff hockey is so good.
Speaker 2:Now, uh, I was watching, uh, watching some hockey the other night and I have such a soft spot for the canadian teams. I shouldn't, I should want to stick it to them. But there's like a team in winnipeg uh kind of lost their team and had a team back and they did this white out where everybody was like wearing like white and I was like I'm gonna, you know, I'm gonna put it on the. Uh, I'll take a, take a take a snapshot and put it on the community site, because I'm like this is like such teamwork to get everybody to buy in and and they started by going up against the Colorado Avalanche and they won the first game. This was game two at home.
Speaker 2:They're going crazy. And they're going crazy in a way like they do street shots of Winnipeg and everybody on the street is wearing white for the whiteout and it's like when you see rallies from World War II, where every person in a certain country was out in the streets. That's what it looks like in Winnipeg. And they score a goal and everybody loses their mind. It's so hard to get a goal in the National Hockey League. They get a goal and the place goes berserk. And then, of course, colorado comes back and wins and you watch like the last period and a half of the Mopi-est people in the world watching, watching everything slip away. And it is, it is torture. So playoff hockey it giveth and it taketh away. But it's a good time of year and man man, it is so much fun we're going to have to do. I've been trying so hard to get Coach into certain parts of it and he has at least dabbled in tiny little things.
Speaker 3:I was going to jump in here and let you know that I have been paying attention, that I know that the bruins are one one, that I didn't know that patrick wah was a uh coach now, which I was like I mean this is insanity. I actually know that name and understand what that means. And then I watch pk suban talk about whether you change goalies, if you've been alternating goalies all season or if you go with the hot hands. I just want you to know. I am tuning in coach.
Speaker 2:Oh man, that's what it's all about. Coach, Let me tell you something. Oh no, no, I just saw boss. She turned her mic back on there.
Speaker 4:I just don't understand why you want to stick it to Canadians if you're also doing hate crimes against them. I love. Canadians, do you want to sleep with them, or? Do you want to make fun of them? Which one are you going for? Both.
Speaker 3:That makes sense. We grew up American men, so those are not mutually exclusive.
Speaker 4:Those are not exclusive. Yeah, that's fair, I get that.
Speaker 2:I get it. La has a team coach, just so you know. I am aware.
Speaker 3:I have been to the arena for one of their games. I will say this I don't understand a lot of the rules. You know I'm learning. Those are some impressive fucking athletes. Like seriously, jokes aside, I'm like I have to say that I have ice skated. I think is a bit aggressive in describing the event. I have been in a situation where there was ice and there were ice skates on my feet and I moved. I'm somewhat, and I moved. I'm somewhat. So the idea of someone being able to move like that on a fricking blade on ice while making sure not to get obliterated and looking to obliterate someone else, it's pretty impressive, pretty impressive stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean you have to learn a whole other way of moving, and then you have to, rather than using your hands or something, or your feet, something attached to your body, then you have to use an implement to track a tiny little disk of rubber. So it is a whole other thing. Uh, with regard to your la team, they have to play. There's a dude that plays for the edmonton oilers who his name is connor mcdavid. He was the first uh round pick, the first pick of in the draft years ago, and he's so good that it's like makes me like I've almost never seen like he's. He's it's reminiscent of like the wayne gretzky type of like he's so dominant.
Speaker 3:I was just watching a thing about it it's unfair. I'm not kidding, actually seriously yeah he was on uh part of the interruption. There was another pk suban uh topic go ahead nice, yeah, so so it's, it's tough.
Speaker 2:It's it's tough sledding for LA. There was a guy on his winger got a hat trick the other day against LA and I swear most of the it was just basically Conor McDavid like banking, shots off the guy to go. I'm like, oh my god, like how. Anyway, that's an exaggeration. The team is excellent, but anyway, playoff hockey is wonderful. And the only thing I liked about the movie either one of you see the movie Argyle, a PG-13 action comedy from no yeah, a PG-13 action comedy is not what I want.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, no, I'm a sucker for a good pg-13 action comedy, I mean like for an r? Yeah action comedy. But, um, the only thing uh great about it, other than, um, sam rockwell, his general movement in it. He's always funny to me how he moves uh was in the very end. There's like this insane I'm guessing LSD inspired action sequence where they're on you won't believe this when I say it there's an oil spill and the main character takes two daggers and slams them into her boots to make blades and then she skates on the oil slick, which is like the type of thing I, you know, like maybe Joe Esterház would have come up with in the eighties, where you're like that's the stupidest fucking thing, but somehow it's going to work. It was the worst thing I've ever seen. But uh, giuliano was making fun because as I'm watching this, I'm like you know, I don't know who the uh, the stunt double is.
Speaker 4:Who's, you know, doing the skating but they got great, got great form. That's why they did it. Yeah, this, whoever that, whoever the stunt double was, this is their um, uh, fonzie's mom explaining that Henry Winkler can water ski really well, so they should do that in an episode Is that real. That is how Jumping the Shark happened.
Speaker 3:No, that Henry.
Speaker 4:Winkler's actual parents were on the set of Happy Days and they're like you know he can water ski real well, real, real good. Did you tell him about the water skiing? He's like I am the coolest guy on one of the most popular shows in the country. You don't need to convince them, but I am doing my job, but yeah. But then they're like all right. Well, if you could water ski, you water ski now. Fonzie, water skis now.
Speaker 3:Jumping the shark has just taken on like a, a, a, a, a, like it just really it's got a whole new level, like a new body. That your mom told them. That's how it happened. That's how you jump the shark, your mom.
Speaker 2:Your mom told them.
Speaker 3:It's so great.
Speaker 2:Did I tell you my Henry Winkler story? I'm sure I've said it on this podcast before. Uh, yeah, you were peeing at the urinal best guy in hollywood yeah, best guy. Oh yeah, I was at the. I was at the dodge ball premiere and I had seats that were better than jeremy ronick. That was my claim to fame at the premiere. I was like, oh my god, jeremy ronick, a famous um hockey player. I look and he's like eight rows behind me, like trying to look over somebody's hat, and I'm like, oh, I made it. I made it. I have better seats to jam.
Speaker 2:And then I went to the bathroom and was in the urinal next to Henry Winkler and you don't you know, you don't look at other people at a urinal. This is like just guy code. But I was like I sort of did double take and I'm like'm like, oh my God, is that Fonz next to me? And he turns and makes full eye contact with me at the urinal and he goes hey, how you doing. I was like, what a fucking good dude he could have been like what he could have given a stink eye, but no, hello.
Speaker 4:Hey, hey, how's it going. Just super nice, super genuine.
Speaker 2:Hey, how's it going Just super nice.
Speaker 4:I would also like to briefly mention yes, ordinarily no eye contact or looking or anything else at urinals. I've been told by a guy friend of mine that when he was at a gay bar he is straight, but we were all at a gay bar for something and the guy that came in into the middle between him and somebody else peeing the guy that came in the middle did like a full-on look and then on the other side a full-on look again and then went back to the first guy and was like whatever was happening on the other side, he was not interested. So sometimes apparently you do get some looks.
Speaker 3:I didn't want to break up your story, but when you said he stepped up to the urinal and came in the middle, I did. Oh, oh.
Speaker 2:A lot of phrasing. That was a phrasing moment.
Speaker 3:for sure, that was a phrasing moment.
Speaker 4:Damn it I should have caught that myself.
Speaker 2:There was a good visual joke on letter Kenny where you're behind three guys at a urinal and you're tight on their back. You know half up from the backup and then you pull back and the next shot is you see all three of them fully in frame and the guy in the middle has his pants down to his ankles.
Speaker 4:No, no, listen, it's not about confidence.
Speaker 2:It caught me so funny. Coach is laughing. It works Coach.
Speaker 4:It works, but like Good visual joke oh dear. But then your pants are touching the floor of the bathroom.
Speaker 3:Oh, that's so far down my list. Oh, oh, I don't know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, that's pretty high on my list you can't be high on your list, boss. You live in like a arachnid centipede infested hair explosion.
Speaker 4:Yeah, but those are all me.
Speaker 2:That's like bacteria.
Speaker 4:The centipedes. They come and go. I kill them. It's fine, my hair my hair is fine. This is like how everybody nobody will admit it, but everybody secretly thinks that their individual farts smell fine. You have never been grossed out by your own fart. It can't happen.
Speaker 3:And if you have see a doctor, I guess yeah, I'm thinking it through it's more my awareness that that's going to harm others. Yeah, but yeah but yeah, I think you don't gag at your own smell, yeah, if you've ever gagged at your own smell it's not good.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that makes go see that, see a doctor, my hair, my hair is fine check it out sleep in my sheets. I live inside my body. You think I'm gonna be grossed out by my hair being on the ground?
Speaker 2:come on I'm I'm getting grossed out just thinking about all of you in that one place. All right, so we left off the great Coach Bishop.
Speaker 2:The great Coach Bishop. Well, I think you're fucking joke. Without me, you wouldn't have won a single match. They would have shipped your ass back to Flatbush, where you belong with your son, because you sure as hell don't belong here. But I do, Coach Bishop, I belong here. This just didn't fall into my lap. All right, I earned this. I know you did. I know you did, Coach, I know you did. Oh no, this is your line, yeah.
Speaker 3:Wait, no, wait, wait, wait Sorry.
Speaker 2:I was just joking around. Yeah, I was. Yeah, I was just riffing. I'm just riffing, um, you know what? You know what, coach? You're full of shit and just just fuck you ted. Um, so that's where we left off.
Speaker 3:Was nate saying you're full of shit, just fuck you ted so I thought it was that it's almost identical in the explosion of it to Roy, when Roy is going to get benched Like the sort of like Right, and in both cases I thought built into the explosion was because you are, ted Lasso, I don't have any reason to believe you're going to come back at me or harm me for this. Like I'm allowed to be like this around you. He creates a really safe space, even in moments of conflict in a way, because I In what sequence of events would any of these characters just turn and go fuck you, rupert right. Like there's something about the way ted interacts with all of them that makes it so that you're allowed to he. He really. I mean as much as we talk about the dad son dynamic with him and nate it is.
Speaker 3:It is perhaps most on display here, because that's the way a child can explode at a parent, because there is the unconditional love sort of undergirding everything. What do you mean? Fuck you Ted. Like no, fuck you Nate. You're fired, but he knows he's not about to get fired. You know what I mean Like he's, like he knows that's not going to happen.
Speaker 2:Now, boss, is that a good thing? Because for me it's a great thing. Nope, but I'm guessing you're going to push back against that because you have a different viewpoint.
Speaker 4:I actually just spent the last weekend with one of my five. Her birthday is coming up. We do a trip each year. She and I were discussing how what it basically comes down to for me is that everybody can do almost anything they want, but there will be natural consequences that you need to face from that that you need to face from that. So if what Ted wants to do is nurture an environment where his employees are able to tell him fuck you, ted. Oh, and it you know, like was it slightly different when Roy did it from when Nate did it? Yes, because Roy tells everybody to fuck off all the time.
Speaker 3:Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 4:So there's always context and there's always nuance, but I am suspicious of a system that says this is built on mutual respect and a mutual desire to reach a specific goal.
Speaker 4:To reach a specific goal, and I, as the head not just the person who is in charge, but the person who is responsible for this team will accept your disrespect and also expect you to not disrespect other people, like I think that you were seeing this as Ted being so safe for Nate that Nate is able to say fuck you, ted, like I'm going to explode on you because I'm angry at you. That nate is able to say fuck you, ted, like I'm gonna explode on you because I'm angry at you. We have already seen nate exploding at colin and at will and and maybe you could say that ted can say you can disrespect me and that's fine, but what he needed to do was make sure nate was not disrespecting. You have an obligation when you are in charge. You have an obligation. You can choose to not be in charge. You can say I don't want this responsibility and therefore I'm not going to take it, but you can't be in charge and then not protect the people that you are in charge of. That is your number one priority.
Speaker 3:You make sure that they're protected. Hey, nate, when it's somebody's mother's 50th birthday, the culture here is we're going to, we'll figure out how to put the towels up. They can go celebrate their mother's 50th birthday. Correct, right? Okay, they're allowed to do that. I got you, yeah, and I think and I think you're right too in that thinking as a father for a moment, I may have absorbed certain energy from my kids at a certain point, for you know, whatever understanding that they're a kid, but wouldn't allow them to treat each other like that.
Speaker 2:Exactly, yes, so I hear you, yep, yep. These are great conversations and they inform more than you think about, boss, because we've mentioned that Coach Bishop was hired as the head coach of the uh, los angeles black storm and there have been every time, uh, every time there, um, that, uh, you peel another layer of like what coach's job description is. Uh, it seems, seems like the there, like there's a lot more to it than the coach was banking on. And it's been fascinating to be behind the scenes with coach trying to figure out okay, listen, for example, boss, who do you protect, coach? What's the pecking order? What is your responsibility as a leader? How should people feel when they come in To the point where Coach has analyzed every step of the onboarding process for new players?
Speaker 2:He's tremendous. Coach Bishop should coach everything, but it's been revelatory for me to have a peek behind the scenes to see how he does it and know that it's informed by you know, hundreds upon hundreds of hours of us analyzing a fictional sports franchise, to say, okay, like, what are they trying to accomplish? Um, and, and how are they getting there? And boss, boss, as much as I make fun of you, know basically everything you say. Your boundaries are valuable in those discussions because when you're talking in theory, it's, it's, it's great, but then sometimes the actual people online, you have to say, all right, well, it's not as cut and dry. You really need to, you know, highlight the safety, prioritize, like you know, sort of environmental factors that have actual responsibility attached to them. So it's been amazing and again, you would never think it, but it, it's a it's, you know, it informs people's real lives, which is, which is great. Um, okay, so we move on.
Speaker 2:Uh, from nate storms out. Uh, we are at the next game for richmond. This is a big, this is a big, big, big game. Uh, richmond versus brentwood. Richmond down two sticking with a false nine formation. There's Brentford on the attack. This is now we're in the second half of said game and, chris, is time running out on Richmond's chances to control their future? Only if you think of time as linear. Arlo, yes, chris, I do. I was like what? Okay?
Speaker 3:Arlo usually just takes it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this time he's like you know what? I don't think I'm like out on a left field on this one.
Speaker 3:Am I the weirdo here?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's good pressure from Rojas, lovely from Tard. Obasanji is in, he scores and thanks to that Obasanji, all Richmond's hopes are still alive. Oh my God, that's how you play a false nine Arlo. So pack the midfield, stay organized, look for gaps. Well done, here we go. Yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 3:Okay. So I wanted to say one thing here, or I guess it's a body of things, but for me it, not very long ago, the, the, the take was this is a you know it's, this is crazy to be doing this new thing, and then it works and it's like oh, great job, guys. And I think as a coach I've thought about this a ton. But I think in life it can be this way too, where people evaluate decisions almost purely based on outcome, and I think it's a real mistake, especially in sports, in sports, especially in sports. In sports, it's insane, the worst. I'm like if that didn't work, you would be ready to fire that coach, but it worked. So now he's a genius. I'm like that cannot, or she, I'm sorry, it usually comes up to me in football.
Speaker 2:Should have kicked the extra point, though.
Speaker 3:Should have kicked the extra point, you know and I'm always sort of blown away by that, and it also helps me, just in life in general, to be very mindful of the feedback I get when it's all over. You know what I mean. Like, oh, it's all over now, you know what happened, so you can tell me like, oh yeah, you definitely should have gone back to a 4-4-2, right, but you know. So, anyway, process versus outcome, people, it's a big deal.
Speaker 2:Yes, it's very important now. Sam obasanya grabs the ball out of the net and runs it back to uh midfield. Um, this is a very common thing. When you're in a hurry, time's running out and you score, you don't celebrate. You grab the ball and you run back and you get back to. You.
Speaker 3:Don't want to lose momentum and oh, I noticed that they do it on the show, but I didn't know that was a thing from the sport. Oh yeah, okay, cool, I didn't notice that.
Speaker 2:Oh no, no, that's a real thing. Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah, makes sense.
Speaker 2:And what some people will do is, on the other team they'll grab the ball before the scoring team can grab the ball and then the player on the scoring team will run up to the player on the defending team and try to grab the ball out of his hands and they'll be like shoving because it's sort of the dickiest thing you can do. But it also so it can backfire because and on the one hand, it can interrupt their chemistry, can interrupt their, you know, can get people off their game because you're in their head now, um, but it can also fire them up even more. So they're like, because it is a massive dick move to grab it and and prevent the other team from doing that. So there's a lot at the end of a soccer game where, like, time wasting is an accepted part of the sport. It's not my favorite thing, but like, rather than scoring, if you're up by a goal, you'll take the ball, dribble it into the other teams, like the far corner, where nothing can happen.
Speaker 3:if you're up by a goal, you'll take the ball, dribble it into the other team's um core, like the far corner where nothing can happen and you'll just like hold it there and put your butt between oh wow, oh so they really killed clock like it's a real thing.
Speaker 2:Oh like fully, oh, wow, and so yeah, yeah, it's like a whole thing. Um, so Sam runs the ball out. Everyone says come on, let's go One more. Fans are going crazy and you know, you got Ted cheering everybody up. Now Nate is notably, doing what here, boss?
Speaker 4:Oh, he's being a little asshole. He's sitting, he is not on the sidelines. He is not on the sidelines, he is not cheering, he is looking actually sort of disappointed that the goal happened because, as Coach said last episode, that guy is miserable and he wants to stay miserable. If they lose he'll be miserable, if they win, he'll be miserable. However it shakes out, he is not going to be happy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's a good point. Shakes out. He is not going to be happy. Yeah, that's a good point, um, so, uh, we have, we get a picture of the scoreboard and we're at 90 minutes, uh, which is that's how long a uh football match is. And so arlo said so it's basically that's over, right? No, because you, because you have stoppage time for injuries, and this is when the excitement really happens.
Speaker 2:I can't help but mention playoff hockey, where Carolina Hurricanes were down by a goal, pulled their goalie and tied it it up, and then had a faceoff and then scored the winning goal like 10, 12 seconds later and you just go. Oh my God, so in those final minutes, it can be so crazy. This just happened last night. It can be so crazy. So miraculously, after a historically dreadful start to the season, um, so miraculously after historically dreadful start to the season, um, these guys are all AFC Richmond are only, uh, one point out of second place and everyone's doing come on Richmond, come on Richmond. Um, and we're back to um. You know contention now, um, anything at this point, uh, sort of uh.
Speaker 2:When you guys first watched this, were you like, okay, ted lasso, they were, they were, they started out and the and the sort of victorious penultimate sort of thing from season one was they got relegated, like usually they're like that's not how TV shows usually do it. So now we're building up this hope. There's you know, roughly I don't know a quarter of the of the of the episode left. It's the finale for season two, if they score, which will be promoted back to the premier league, right? Um, what did you guys think at this point? Do you remember back way, way, that's funny yesteryear so far, long ago I guess the the sort of story you know.
Speaker 3:Storyteller in me thought they're not gonna have them twice, like like, just sort of like wow really, but they have, in the way they've told this story, make me go, they might do that shit. But I thought really, twice, they're going to lose, so anyway. But yeah, that was sort of my gut, was telling me they've got to make it. And then I was like, but they break rules, they break rules everyone. So you got to make it. And then I was like, but they break rules, they, they, they break rules everyone.
Speaker 4:so you gotta, you know, you gotta consider it. I so, I think, going all the way back to season one, I sort of expected them to lose. I was, I. I wasn't like when it happened. I was like, oh, that makes sense, like I could sort of see that coming. Um it, just because so many things on the show had already subverted expectations.
Speaker 4:It felt like that would be a good way of cleaning this it, actually adding a lot of emotional weight, because it wasn't just a happy ending and now you need to figure out how to deal with continuing on when you have a sad ending. And what does that look like? I was pretty sure that they were going to win here, but in the same way as season one, with Jamie doing the extra pass in order to get the goal and tying up that whole character arc, I wasn't sure how they were going to have it play out here. I was expecting them to win. I thought it would be a little anticlimactic if they were like, oh, they didn't get promoted and now they're just still at the top of this league, like that felt like it wasn't enough. So I was more waiting to see the details than the actual plot points themselves.
Speaker 2:There are certain times in a thank you boss. There are certain times in a I thank you boss. Um, there's. There are certain times in a show uh, there was there's twice that I can remember where I was so invested in game of thrones. I'm like, if this person dies here, like I am, I am out, I am, I am done with the show and like I remember thinking like they must tie this up, like I thought it would be a colossal error if it was like oh no, this season didn't. I was like you have to put them back in the Premier League. So you get a long ball from Jan Maas. Everybody's losing their minds. Jamie Tartt, beautiful trap and drops it right on his feet and then he gets cleaned out and everyone's, like you know, losing their mind, and then we get a penalty call.
Speaker 3:So I'm so into this show that I think I have a Keely yelling referee fetish, so I'm just going to put that on the table. I don't know what that's about. I'm like, oh, right up the spine with that one.
Speaker 2:thank you yeah, no, there's. There are moments that people listen. So on our Eurovision episode coach, I played up until the Angelina Mango song. There's this one thing that I called out. It was like her little shoulder roll that I love. Then I looked at the YouTube videos like the most replayed thing and it spikes. Is that right? Yeah?
Speaker 4:at that shoulder I'm like, okay, I'm not alone in this, that's funny. This is the thing that people this is your version of Benedict Cumberbatch as Sherlock, ripping his scarf off of his neck so that he could get punched in the face that that, that is a fun gif I yeah, exactly yeah, those nice little beat, but but it's.
Speaker 2:I like that, I really was something. There's something really exciting about the fact that there's a more informed audience than there used to be, I think, and so that, like people are noticing, filmmakers can do cool things right right, you know, like henry, like when he when he shakes his guns up like that.
Speaker 2:There's these little beats where you're like, let's try this, you know on the day, and you don't know if it's gonna have legs. But then you know, these things get a half-life of their own because people notice and they're great little beats. So, yeah, no, I think it's really great. So now we have a penalty and everybody is cheering, except for Nate, who's just sitting hands clasped together in his dark attire, right, coach.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and if you notice, I I mean I didn't really until right now, everyone else is colorful in some way. Like he is alone, like even blue, like he is alone in that like choice of absolute darkness, right, because, mean, one of the team colors is blue. We could have a lot of blue in the stands, but a choice was made, he is out of step with everyone in this arena and so, yeah, but yes, he is just as dour as it gets.
Speaker 2:His hair has fully turned gray. At this point he's got that salt and pepper and a lot more salt than you'd think in like a three-week period. We harped a little bit on.
Speaker 3:The speed and alacrity of the hair change is a little much, I believe you compared it to middle school play makeup, which I'm sure the professionals at Ted Lasso would lap up of that.
Speaker 2:I mean, it was just like you know, just a little heavy, a little heavy on the spray, but it's okay, it's fine. You know, we know what they're trying to get across as a concept. Uh, we have to think that tart will be the one to take it. He hasn't missed a penalty all season. Um, jamie tart, man, he's good, he's a good player, he's a good player. Um, we get a, we get a sort of a one-er of him, got a lot of guys in the background. This, this is this.
Speaker 2:Listen for those that don't know, a soccer penalty kick is way closer than you think it is. First of all, you would not believe if I put any one of our listeners in goal and then, and then you said all right, go put the ball where you're going to kick it from. It's basically like two steps away. You're like wait, what the like? That cannot be. How close you're kicking and that's universal. That's like little kids and and call it, you know, you just go. How do you not score from there? But then the goalie gets in the, in the, in the cage, in the panel, in the, in the, in the sort of they have to keep their feet on the line. Do you guys know the rules of the penalty kicks. Have we ever talked about that?
Speaker 3:indeed. I mean I think I get the concept, but no, I wouldn't know like oh, his toe was on the line or anything it's okay, it's got to go in the net that well, that's what, yes, you're trying to write.
Speaker 2:Yes, thank you for the record motherfucking pyramid balls go ahead, all right imagine that the line, the line of the end of the field, extends through the goal. So there's a line in the goal and the ball, to be a goal, has to cross it entirely. So if part of it is on the white line it doesn't have to break the plane. Like football, it has to be fully past the white line in the goal. The goalie as you're going to take a penalty kick, goalkeeper, they will have to keep their feet on the line and they're not allowed to move until the ball is kicked, which is a huge advantage for the kicker. Sometimes they'll approach the ball and sort of do a little stutter step and the goalie will wobble a tiny bit and they'll. Then they'll just kick the ball wherever the goalie, as long as you can get the goalie off their line. The goalie has done a ton of research. There's a stats team that says oh, jamie tart always kicks, right, it keeps it low, you know whatever. So they know generally where they're going to jump. Sometimes the goalie will come out and touch the ball to be an obnoxious ass before, because you're trying to do anything to get yourself an advantage. Obviously I'm. I, uh, I played out. I was a goal scorer when I played, so I I'm clearly have a bias for the shooter, um, but the goalie they want to get in your head. No, whatever. However, any way they can, they'll be like I know you're going're gonna shoot left. You know that they'll talk to you. There's a lot of chirping, um, you always shoot left. You shoot left 85 of the time, like they'll just do whatever. They open their body up, they open their arms to try to take as much of the goal as they can. They bounce back and forth, they do a little jig. You know. Sometimes they'll say, uh, yeah, I know you're gonna bounce left. And then they'll say, yeah, I know you're going to bounce left. And then they'll set up like a hair to the right. So you have a visual cue that it's like man, there's a lot of room on that side of the goal. I should keep going. And then the goalie's job is to take a quick step and dive diagonally, not sideways. They want to go diagonally so that if they get the ball, they can punch it. So this is all the dynamics that people may not, may or may not know.
Speaker 2:Um, jamie tart is a guy. The best place you can shoot is in the panel, which is the side of the net. If you get the panel, it's virtually impossible for a goalie to save it, although some goalies do if they, if they dive far enough to that side. But the place where they generally can't get it is top corner. If you put it up into the panel in the back, there's not a goalie in the world that can save that. But the problem is, when you aim for that, the likelihood of you skying it over and being humiliated is compounded. So Jamie Tartt walks up and Coach walk us through this little moment here, um, with jamie tart prepping for the penalty kick that will send them to the premier league all right.
Speaker 3:So jamie steps up, has the ball, as described, we've got, uh, the guy with the mickey mouse gloves jumping around and uh, then. And then Jamie, our ace, calls over the second ace. He gives up this moment of glory. We've gone from me, me, me, me to. I don't like that new guy, with all his happiness and his friendliness to coaches, to you, take the shot, armando. You be the hero. I don't need to be the hero. And Danny steps up and all this Danny glory, we love Danny, we just do. And RIP Earl on the cleats, with the Mexican flag on the cleats. The whole story is here, ball down, and he's preparing to take the shot. It's getting tense. Here we go.
Speaker 2:See, the goalie's got his eyes, you know his hands out.
Speaker 3:He's making himself nice and big, and Danny steps back. He takes those three steps. I don't know why it's three, but it seems that's what everybody does. And he's getting ready and the crowd's nuts Glances over to where Earl was. And not only isn't Macy Greyhound going to get hurt, macy Greyhound has a helmet. Aww.
Speaker 3:Football is life. And Danny keeps his head down and rips through, yeah, and everybody in sight goes absolutely ballistic, except Nate, who can't even accept a hug from Roy. It's amazing to me that he's so committed to the idea that everybody shits on him and all anybody's doing in this scene is great. Hey, look at that Nate, isn't that great Nate? So, anyway, team celebrates unbelievable what a comeback. Crowds going nuts and, of course, nate forever loyal storms off and off. So that's what we got, but it's a pretty sweet moment. Given that we've watched all the way that Jamie has traveled. It's almost like he made the extra pass in a whole new way this time.
Speaker 2:Yes, and it's really beautiful. It's great, coach. I love that. I love that. It is beautiful and you know it's funny. I almost wish I had enjoyed some of these moments more than I did. I was always very aware of the moment but, um, I maybe I didn't flip out like jamie's got his tongue out, like losing his mind. You know what I mean. I was probably less, you know, in the times where I won a championship or something like that. It felt great. We were really psyched. But I was like if maybe it's just a writer quality where you stand back and you notice things more than being in it or something like that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, that's definitely a thing.
Speaker 2:Go ahead boss, what were you going to say?
Speaker 4:I'm not going to be able to get the line exactly right, but Dave Eggers wrote a heartbreaking work of a staggering genius which don't let the title fool you he's making fun of himself. This is about the grandioseness of wanting to be a writer, and it's the story of how he adopted his youngest brother because both his parents died of cancer within like six months of each other. There's a lot, there's a lot to it, but at the end he's talking about how he is scattering, I think, his father's ashes, and that he is yelling at himself because he can't be present enough to think about the moment, because he's thinking oh you've got it, yeah, hell yeah, he's thinking so much about what it's like to be doing this at this moment that he can't just fucking be present for the moment and enjoy it, because he's such an ass, because I'm an asshole writer and I'm such an asshole I all this is content.
Speaker 4:I can't even think about scattering my dad's ashes without thinking about how I'm gonna write about it later so, yes, I had to learn specifically in my marriage.
Speaker 3:I had to learn not to share that I always experienced it personally as like, oh, isn't this cool, like I really would take it in and be like, oh, my goodness, and the emotion of this and whatever that, and then I would spoil her experience, because I remember one time particularly, we're in panama and hanging out, my cousins and we all went out. We were having a great time and I was like wouldn't it be wild if there was a story where, like this guy's coming to panama and blah, blah, blah, and she was like can't we just be out at a club? I was like I'm so sorry. I am, although, also welcome to my life, but I am sorry to have dragged you into this.
Speaker 4:Yeah, no, but there is the ever-present idea of how do I make this content, which it's not my favorite thing about writing or talking about things, or thinking about things. I would like to be more present. That would be better.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's fun to date people like us. Oh yeah, got to be, just a good time, got to be. Yeah, it's fun to date people like us. Oh yeah, gotta be, gotta be. So we get the Arlo Is you know? Celebrating? And it says, with that goal, to finish in second place, we return to the Premier League in their very first attempt. Everyone starts cheering we're going up, we're going up. Richmond have done the impossible through grit, determination and, most of all, belief. Not a surprise that that's in there. I was promoted a time or two in my career, although it's a real achievement. Richmond deserve this. They remain a club without a major trophy, it must be said, but it won't feel that way tonight. Final score Richmond to Brentford 2 and boy, boy, howdy. Uh, how things change when, when, in the early days, ted is ashamed of thinking about a tie like that's a, that's a black yeah, yeah, you know you're not coaching for the draw, and now now, a season later, the draw is is draws as good as a win here, right Coach?
Speaker 3:It is and yes, it is, and that's definitely a thing, and we made a big deal about it and the way season one ended, I mean there's all yes, and in a way, this where he is now is more true to his John Wooden roots, yeah than where he was coming in going. Oh, in America we don't believe in ties, because success is about bringing out the best in yourself. You know, I am possibly going to time travel. I'm going to call myself out. So if I did, if I do, stop me.
Speaker 3:But the idea of being in a press conference and saying, but the idea of being in a press conference and saying sometimes you score fewer goals than your opponent and you win, and sometimes you score more points than your opponent and you lose, but this time we scored more points and we won, that feels pretty good. And I wish I could remember when Ted said that I'm really scrambling right now. I think that's season one, but I do believe, in addition to their getting promoted and, yes, the outside thing is good I think part of what's being celebrated on this field is we came together, we did this thing. The first half was shit. We all committed to each other. At halftime and look at what the fuck. I feel like it's all built into the celebration, not just promotion in itself.
Speaker 2:Now, yes, coach, thank you, absolutely right. What is the top of the pyramid, by the way?
Speaker 3:That would be competitive greatness. But one of my favorite factoids in life is that John Wooden later said that he would replace that with love.
Speaker 2:And what's the vibe?
Speaker 3:on the field, there's a whole lot of love going on. How about the stands? A whole lot of love going on, they are losing it. This place, I mean this place is. You know, I love my sports documentaries and there's a great. There's a great one called the U about the University of Miami football program and after they won their first championship, the announcers are going. I mean, the place is bedlam. It's at the Orange Bowls, it's basically a home game. It's insanity. And one of the announcers goes this place is up for grabs. Right now it's like there's total chaos, and that's what Nelson Road feels like to me right now. It's just complete and utter chaos.
Speaker 2:Except for the levels of cocaine.
Speaker 3:That. Yeah Well, you know, I don't want to Sorry, that was. Siri apparently had an opinion on the ups and downs of Nelson Road. I don't want to Sorry, that was Siri apparently had an opinion on the ups and downs of Nelson Road.
Speaker 2:I don't know how to feel about that coach.
Speaker 4:She heard cocaine and she was like you will be bringing me with please.
Speaker 2:You are scheduled for 4 pm. Cocaine coach. Oh damn, shut up, siri.
Speaker 3:But yeah, the? U was quite something. But yeah, this place is, I mean they've exploded. I mean it's completely nuts.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this is the Winnipeg Jets is what I was talking about. I think it was bigger in Winnipeg and that was just a goal in the playoffs, like a random goal, and the celebration felt even bigger than this. So, anyway, crazy. Now the Crown and Anchor'sors going mental, fit stands are going mental, owners Box is going mental, players are going mental, and and and yet boss one, one lonely figure makes, makes his way in the midst of all of the chaos. One sort of shrouded figure, all in black, somehow makes his way to the tunnel.
Speaker 4:Well, ted, this time really did eat a bad fish pie, so his stomach is going to be bad. He's just running right to the locker room, right.
Speaker 2:I mean he gets away with it because no one's going to notice this right now. Oh right, he could set himself on fire and they might miss it. I mean he gets away with it because no one's going to notice this right now, yeah, no one.
Speaker 3:It's like the perfect exit. He could set himself on fire and they might miss it. I mean, this is insanity.
Speaker 2:It's a decent walk. I mean, it's a decent length of a walk, oh yeah, and still no one's going to see it, because everyone is out, and Boss is dead on, though, to call that out.
Speaker 3:I mean, given who sold who out?
Speaker 4:that they choose this walk is uh significant, yeah I would like to, uh, very quickly mention that um, it was, I found it on threads jason paragon, who is an old writer for, used to write for crackcom um put up a clip from the abyss which james Cameron I don't know, I don't love all the shit, but fucking the Abyss is amazing. It's so, so good. And there's a scene where Mary Elizabeth Mastrotoni and Ed Harris who I will forever refer to as sexy Ed Harris are sinking in a little not the full submarine, but a little submarine and she is explaining to him you have to let me drown and the water will keep me cold, cold enough that you could swim me back to the real sub and revive me, but like you have to let me full-on die. There's only one suit we can't both make it. You need to do this.
Speaker 4:And there's a part where, if you're paying enough attention, the camera guy actually wipes the lens because there was so much moisture that like he wasn't getting the shot and he figured they could cut around it. And fucking james cameron left it in the film like in the actual movie theater. You would be watching this scene and there would be a little claw thing and you would not. I watched it before he pointed it out. I was watching it and I didn't see anything. And then I rewound and watched it again. I was like, oh, I was too focused on everything, like there was too many big things going on. I didn't give a shit about that. My brain told me don't care about that. So Nate has put himself in a place where people are saying whatever that is, you can't care about it.
Speaker 3:It is not what we are doing. That is something else. So nate has made himself irrelevant by doing this shit. Yeah, yeah, isn't that fascinating too, though that it's in his insistence that he be everything, he actually made himself nothing in this yep, that's a great point I can't think of anything, because I really love Mary Elizabeth, Mary Elizabeth Mastantonio, and I'm like what has she been doing?
Speaker 2:Like I just feel like I haven't seen her in forever.
Speaker 4:Yeah, just making me sad. She was in Robin Hood, prince of Thieves with Kevin Costner and Morgan Freeman and she did the abyss and then she disappeared from my life.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, she's been in. Oh, oh yeah, I did see her on. Okay, she was um, I'm looking limitless 2015 2016, the grim tv show, 2000, yeah, 2012, 2017, uh, a tv movie in 2017, the punisher series, and then blind spot um 22 episodes from 2018, 2020, um, anyway, um, I, yeah, you didn't notice the camera wipe. Uh, no, and you would have. They would have been like why don't we just take that guy's suit like, oh my god oh my god don't have to die hey, jerry.
Speaker 4:Oh my god, that fucking scene. Oh my god, it kills me. Jesus, fucking christ, really. If you haven't watched the Abyss, please do. I know it's like 40 years old. I hope it holds up.
Speaker 3:It was funny because as you were describing that, I was like I know, I have seen the Abyss and I just have this generalized memory of that, but when you were just describing that scene, I was like I do not remember that scene, I don't have. When you were just describing that scene, I was like I do not remember that scene, I don't remember anything.
Speaker 2:Really interesting.
Speaker 3:Anyway, I may check it out one afternoon Just get.
Speaker 2:Neither one of you have watched Future man. Is that correct, oh?
Speaker 4:no, I watched Future man.
Speaker 2:Do you remember the James Cameron episode?
Speaker 4:No, what Listen. I liked a lot of it. Was it in the first season?
Speaker 2:yeah, all right, they break into james cameron's house. It's the future. They break into james cameron's house. He's got a.
Speaker 1:He's got a supercomputer oh, that manages his house called sigourney.
Speaker 2:Yes, sigourney is the supercomputer and uh, wolf, uh has like a relationship with the supercomputer. Um, and they make tons of unobtainium jokes and I mean it is oh, just talk about getting dragged anyway. Um, nate walks off the field and then we have a. Something happens on the field itself. Coach, what's this? What's going?
Speaker 3:So in all this celebrating we've got Roy, we've got Jamie. Oh, isn't this great. They give each other a pound and then we see a little change in Roy's face, at which point he headbutts Jamie in the face, nose specifically, I mean. It looks like he got the bridge of his nose. Have you ever been hit in the bridge of your nose? That ain't nice it. That really hurts a shot through your entire body. Oh yeah, your eyes water up instantly.
Speaker 2:So what'd you do that?
Speaker 3:for.
Speaker 3:And Roy says so I could do this, and then he hugs him and they jump around together. He had nowhere to put that bit of anger, he just couldn't get past it and move on like he wanted to, and so that was that. That's a very interesting moment. I'm curious what you both made of that moment. I mean, I laughed because I love Roy and I love Jamie, and ha ha ha. On another level, I was like is this the manhood we should be working for? I was like I'm not sure I get it, and I'm actually kind of fine with it. Like if I'm the coach of this team, I'm sort of like well, apparently they worked it out. I wouldn't, you know, be upset about it, but it is a little it's not. It's not by the books.
Speaker 2:Uh, having the challenging conversation, let's say that right, right, yeah, I mean it's, it's, it's like almost a throwback to a more caveman-y sort of way of operating. You know, it's like, oh, I can't possibly get to here without this artificial violence. I gotta tag into this. You know, it's sort of a sort of a weird thing as guys, I think you can sort of get it, yeah, but you're like, I think you can sort of get it, yeah, but you're like Boss, did you have a reaction? Maybe don't headbutt me.
Speaker 4:I actually Nobody's going to be surprised by this. I didn't mind the violence. I had more of an issue with it from an actual writing style, in that it felt very sitcom-y and the here's the setup to the joke. Here is the very quick rejoinder. It just it felt a little too, I don't know. It didn't hit right for me.
Speaker 2:Too pat.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, like I think that the issue is when it happens in real life, people love it so much. I was hanging out at my sister's place last week at some point and I was doing the mini crossword on the New York times and I said, hell yes, I did this in 22 seconds. And my younger niece was like that's not impressive. And I was like you don't know, you don't even do a crossword, you have no idea how impressive that is. She was. She was like, no, that's not that good.
Speaker 4:And I was like, oh okay, what's a four letter word for a red flower or a pink wine? And she was like rose and I was like, oh well, all right, you did get me on that one. It helps that her middle name is rose. So like, obviously she was going to get that shit. When it happens in real life, it's so much fun that you're like, okay, I couldn't plan that better. And then when you try to plan it, it doesn't come out that well, like it comes out like this, where roy then says so I could do this and I not for me I got you.
Speaker 2:There's a there's a color by numbers element to it that, yeah, I, I didn't mind it, but, but especially in the, it's easier to analyze it. In the moment I was like, oh, that's fine, whatever, it's easier to analyze it. In the moment I was like, oh, that's fine, whatever, it's typical Roy Kent bullshit. We cut to the locker room now Straight from there. We get a shot from inside the locker room looking out the doorway to the locker room and the team comes screaming in, sam's leading them and you got Van Dam behind him and everyone is piling into the locker room cheering super excited. It's a great end of the season. Ted and Beard, arm and arm and Ted immediately does what you do. Yeah, sorry, go ahead, coach, you're going to make a different point no, no go.
Speaker 2:No, you do yeah, Sorry.
Speaker 3:Go ahead, coach, you're gonna make a different point.
Speaker 2:No, no, no no.
Speaker 3:You go drink and uh, beers like hell, yeah. So I mean you know they're going to say it's a, it's a celebration, it's celebration but he says water.
Speaker 2:Oh, you want you. You want some water. And I was like wait, what I was waiting for champagne. You know what I was like. You want some water. I don't, I'm like water.
Speaker 4:I have to imagine that that's a joke. Yeah, there's no way. He really.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's the way I. I don't even know that I fully processed the water line because I was so like, oh yeah, I'm going to have a drink, you're right.
Speaker 2:I mean you gotta say that it's the worst. I don't know if it's the worst line in Ted Lasso history to make something happen, but you know what I mean. It's like, oh shit, we got to get Ted into the office right now. What are we going to do? I don't know. Maybe he offers Beard some water. Yeah Well, that's terrible, but we'll just put it in there as a placeholder. I didn't think it was better.
Speaker 3:But I think, even in context, I think you're right, because usually I don't think they come in that door after games and stuff. So they're definitely doing some blocking stuff, right, but I did think, even in context, that he I never even thought about him actually meaning water, Like until this exact moment. Where do they usually?
Speaker 2:come in.
Speaker 3:They usually come in through that side door, walk through the Nate and Roy space and then in here.
Speaker 1:So they definitely were like how do we get Ted, but why didn't?
Speaker 2:they have him come in.
Speaker 3:I take it logically that they just swept up in. Everybody's excited and coming in after the big win. Everybody's just walking that way.
Speaker 2:But I think in the writers' room they're like we can't have him come in that door because everyone will notice there's no sign-up, first thing they'll see coming in that way oh no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 3:I think you've got the geography around. What do you mean?
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:They would pass Roy's desk before they would get to the door. They came in and the other door is even further down the hallway.
Speaker 2:You're talking about the team or the coach?
Speaker 3:I think they're coming. Yeah, they would be crossing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, that's why they didn't come in the other door. If they came in the other door it would be much more obvious. But why would they never?
Speaker 4:be coming in that other door. No, the door that Ted is walking through right now. The believe sign is supposed to be above his head, that's where it is. So if they came in through Roy and Nate's? Office.
Speaker 2:They wouldn't see it at all. They wouldn't have noticed it at all. Oh yeah, yeah, no, no, Through Roy. Yeah, but the players would never come in through.
Speaker 3:Roy, no, no, no, but yes, the blocking is specific.
Speaker 2:Either way. Either way, I think I would see it. I think I would see it, you're right. Right, I know what you're saying. Either way. Profound moment between the coaches where the offer of water is made, and when Coach Lasso comes into the main office, goes to his desk where, apparently, the water is.
Speaker 3:We know the booze is back there because we've been through that dance.
Speaker 2:Right, we do know that. What does he see on the desk here, boss?
Speaker 4:That would be the believe sign, ripped in half and left there. This is when you have a cat who is mad at you because you did something wrong, so they throw up in your shoes or in your bed, because cats are assholes and they want to make sure that you know.
Speaker 2:I'm pissed that, is that what it's like to be a cat owner?
Speaker 4:have you owned a cat? I have not owned my own cat. I did watch my mom's cat when she was out of town for a while, so like three or four months. It was a summer program or something. Yeah, that cat. I don't remember what my mom called that cat, because I don't respect what she names animals is apparently a thing in our relationship. I insisted his name was Linus I might have mentioned this and the boyfriend said that name is stupid, the double entendre doesn't work. And I said well, there's no double entendre. And he was like no, because he's a boy cat, so he's not a lioness. And I was like no, but his name is Lionette. And he said that cat's name is Catacan.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, is what?
Speaker 4:Vampire Cat with a Can-Do Spirit.
Speaker 2:Catacan, yeah, yeah, catacan.
Speaker 4:Catacan is a vampire from the Witcher video game and he insisted that the cat's name is Catacan Vampire cat with a can-do spirit.
Speaker 3:I feel like that cat was sitting.
Speaker 4:Because it's Catacan.
Speaker 3:I feel like that cat was sitting in a corner like just call me, Jeff. What are y'all doing? This is too much.
Speaker 4:Just call me something that isn't Well. We also on occasion refer to him as the darkness, because he was a larger cat, so he would block out the sun.
Speaker 2:That's funny. Oh wow, Mm-hmm.
Speaker 4:Wow, catacan the darkness. But Linus and I were just fine. We got along great Well, all right, I love it. I don't remember him ever throwing up on me, not on purpose.
Speaker 2:Coach. Are you in the Witcher? Are you a Yennefer or a Triska?
Speaker 3:This is an important question.
Speaker 4:No, coach knows full well. I haven't understood a goddamn thing y'all been saying for the last three minutes. That's right, see, this is a big question for me, in particular because physically I resemble a Triss. We both have red hair. I have red hair at the moment. Physically we look a little bit alike. Emotionally I'm full on Yennefer. Let's not get it wrong, I am a hardcore bitch. So it depends. When you ask people to choose, I'm like which side are you siding with?
Speaker 2:It's hard, it's tough, tough slide. Yeah, I never. I'm always like girl, what are you, what's going on here? Like, what do you think you're going to get out of this? But anyway, that's only with regard to Yennefer. I just don't. It's not my jam, not my jam. Why would you ever spend time with a Yennefer? I just don't.
Speaker 4:Oh, I fucking love Yennefer. Why would you do a podcast with a Yennefer? I fucking love her.
Speaker 3:I think she's great and I will let y'all know which I am.
Speaker 2:Absolutely.
Speaker 4:Oh, good Great.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that is perfect. Thank you, coach. So, ted is we get a single of him, we get the. The shot of over the shoulder of him, seeing the sign, flips it over, confirms it's the believe sign. Of course, ted Lasso will never let you get too high or too low without kicking you in the stomach or propping you up to make you feel better. We know, we are, we sure we are, we're Richmond until we die. Everyone is singing and we are just on Ted, very, very alone in this one moment, noticing for him, I think, what is a colossal thing.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, no, no, he's going to this in also personally and on some level that was known right like to rip that son. Like just leave you quit, right, you quit. Is that saying you quit, then just quit? But he, this was intended like I don't know if my fuck you was hurtful enough. So let me just one more thing before I'm done. I mean, it's just like super hurtful and why did he rip this sign?
Speaker 2:What we saw was he exploded on Ted. We said there's a safe space where we didn't think he would be fired by Ted. Ted would find a way to patch it up. No one sort of ostracized Nate on the field. You know he was. You know, even when they win, the first thing that happens is he gets a no-look hug from Roy right. What Is it that? He was still had a anger hangover from the original interaction and couldn't get over it or that ted's staying with the false nine.
Speaker 2:When he was determined that ted was gonna um, you know, stick it to him. You know nate had had had made up something in his mind where he was like this is what's going to happen. I know it for a fact. He had already sort of responded. It's like when we talked about mind reading and you have an emotional reaction to what you are sure is going to happen. Now that didn't happen. Now he's got to deal with the fact he was wrong about that. The place is going crazy. He feels completely alienated, is that?
Speaker 3:why he's going psycho.
Speaker 3:It's an interesting question actually, and you make me think about it a little differently, maybe, than I might have. In the first place, I'll say that the the to me, nate, doesn't get what he doesn't get and he cannot process how this guy is doing right, like he just doesn't, like he, he, he, just he is so far from Ted's level in terms of the level of love and embracing and what Ted has actually been doing here. Nate thinks that the X's and O's are the coaching, and that is part of the coaching, but it is not the coaching. And so it is galling to him that in this moment where everybody should be upset and looking for somebody to blame and he's making sure that somebody isn't him it is galling that these these guys down two nil, touch this goddamn sign and everybody's all fired up and happy will's over there with that stupid fucking grin on his face, I think he's just like what is this? And then it worked out. Then it worked like you know what I mean like then it worked out, like what is this?
Speaker 2:and so yeah, I think I think I.
Speaker 3:In some ways it's like, um, when people say, like the greatest revenge is to live. Well, this is a short-term version of this. Would you say you think you're wrong? Oh, they're wrong.
Speaker 2:Oh, dear, god.
Speaker 4:What is the?
Speaker 2:greatest revenge boss.
Speaker 4:I've mentioned it before. It is sort of a living well, but it's calling them by the wrong last name.
Speaker 3:You live well but then also when you see them you're like oh, you are so unimportant.
Speaker 4:That's great. I think you're right about everything you're saying about Nate. I think the only thing that I would add to that is that there is a strong difference between a character revelation and a character progression. I think a lot about on Game of Thrones how we learned in I think it was season three maybe that Jaime Lannister the Kingslayer actually killed the king, not because his dad told him to, or the war or anything else, but because the king was going to burn everybody and so he stepped in in order to save all of King's Landing. He actually was being the hero and we learned that about him. That is not a character development. That's who he always was. We as the audience are figuring that out. So Nate's progression quote unquote towards becoming a bad guy or a villain or whatever else, isn't that he is actually moving. This is who he's always been. This is just who he's revealed to us. Like he had all those thoughts about all the players when he did the great roy kent. He called rebecca a shrew.
Speaker 4:He this there was a big one that we glossed over in real time and I think think we touched it a little bit title of your sex tape, but then I think that it became more important as it moved on.
Speaker 3:We touched it a little bit I mean I'm on mute and I just feel like I have to acknowledge how hard I just laughed, because you deserve that. You deserve that acknowledgement that made me throw my head back and laugh. Oh my God, that's so funny.
Speaker 4:I'm very glad to hear that my other job doesn't like when I do this?
Speaker 2:Oh no, really, I like that this works for us.
Speaker 4:Go figure, yeah, so I think that he is not participating in this because he has already made up his mind that this is not how he is going to be happy, like he did all the things that he thought he wanted to do and he's still not happy. So it must be these motherfuckers fault, because everybody must be a motherfucker.
Speaker 3:Can't be me Must be everybody else. Oh God, must be everybody else. And oh god, when I think of times in my life where I was just fucking unhappy and the things that people said or did, that in retrospect I'm like I'm sure he really just meant good morning, orlando, like your decision that this guy needs to die oh, like I'm sure he really meant good morning, and maybe it was on you that time.
Speaker 4:He was a bitch eating crackers. That's one of my favorite things from the internet, Something about sometimes you would hate somebody so much they could just be sitting there eating crackers and you'd still hate them. Bitch over here eating crackers.
Speaker 3:Cracker eating bitch. It's exactly. Well, I'll speak for myself. I can definitely have those days where I'm like I swear to God if you breathe one more time.
Speaker 4:If I hear you exhale, I am going to murder you.
Speaker 3:I mean, it's just where we are at this point Yep.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I wonder. Yeah, it's funny, because of social, social media we're so much more aware of people. I don't know if I felt hatred in the same way that I do now, where I'm like I'm because there's also like a uh, you're just exhausted by a hundred percent, get out of my life. I never, wanted you here. I I wish I knew nothing about you, like so many politicians where I'm just like oh my god, like they make you and this is like this is what you did like you, you know you.
Speaker 2:Every day you wake up and you decide to fuck everybody, like just destroy an entire civilization. Mitch McConnell, you know like.
Speaker 3:I don't even know if this will make the cut, but I have to speak up on this because you brought him up. You did it to yourself. I just saw a clip of Mitch McConnell. I don't even know if this will make the cut, but I have to speak up on this because you brought him up, you did it to yourself. I just saw a clip of Mitch McConnell blaming Tucker Carlson for the whole embrace of Putin thing and I was like you know what I need you to do, mitch? No, mitch, absolutely the fuck not. That's what I need you to do. I don't even have a verb for it. You know what I need you to do? No, mitch, absolutely the fuck not. I don't even have a verb for it. You know what I need you to do? No, absolutely the fuck not.
Speaker 4:I need you to do. I need you to absolutely the fuck not. I think that that needs to be something we start. I need you to absolutely the fuck not. Your nickname is Moscow.
Speaker 3:Mitch, what are we discussing? I'm not saying I don't like Tucker Carlson, but I'm like, wait what Moscow Mitch? That was what he had to say.
Speaker 2:Anyway, I'm sorry I know we don't do too much US politics but my head almost popped off my shoulders this morning when I saw that.
Speaker 3:Coach, jamie Lannister or Jon Snow, I don't know. I'm going to be doing a lot of BuzzFeed, quizzes, a lot of quizzes, a lot of quizzes.
Speaker 2:A lot of you're going to.
Speaker 4:The answer is Tormund Giantsbane, but that's totally beside the point.
Speaker 2:The answer is Tormund, awesome All right, so I don't want to go too far because I want to save time for our next episode. I think that we're going to be able to finish it up next time, and I have to get on a flight to Los Angeles, california. That is the, the, the place where our coach is correct.
Speaker 2:I'm going to be taking a little, a little trip, so I have to watch my time carefully. But we'll leave it there because this is a good place to stop and I think we'll finish it up next time with part seven. Coach, where do people find you if they want to find?
Speaker 3:you. I'm going to encourage you again. Stream unstuck as fuck. I'm jumping around to things that matter to me. So we talked about the community, some. I'm coming to this, some. These are the things I want you to check out. Let's connect y'all.
Speaker 2:Love it, Boss. What about you?
Speaker 4:So still on threads, which is emilychambers.31, but I'm trying out Blue Sky more. It seems like it's gotten a few more new users recently, so I'm hoping that pops off. And over there I am dumbly chambers and I keep promising. In one of these days I'm gonna end up dead, but hopefully writing at the antagonist, which is antagonist blogcom.
Speaker 2:Thank you, boss. I just posted something which is my favorite thing. May 1st is coming up and that's when, historically, a lot of colleges kids have to make decisions about where they're going to go to college. My two oldest, we went to lots of different colleges for what they call Accepted Students Day, and then you meet the president of the college. They usually welcome you and they give you a little spiel. The spiels are always super boring and they're all the same and you just zone out because you're like, oh God, I've heard all this before. It's just really unimpressive. Then there was this one president we went to and this guy he's approaching his 50th year as president of Bard College and he started out by saying the college application process is inherently dishonest and irrational. And all of us were like, yes, thank you. Yeah, he went through and just gave this hour-long breakdown of the entire process from the school's point of view, from it was amazing. So I just posted his speech, I did some excerpts and things, but that's on antagonistblogcom for anyone it's. It's funny because it's an unlisted video on YouTube. I think there's, like you know, 480 views and I'm like I bet I'm 400 of those. I bet because I just send it to everyone and I'm like just watch this. This is like the best insight you'll ever get and a lot of perspective taking and it's just really great. Okay, that's it for us today.
Speaker 2:We'll be back with part seven, which is probably going to be. It Might be the last Ted Lasso episode with regard to reviews. We're going to do a few other Ted Lasso episodes here and there for different reasons, but not other breakdowns. We'll see, we'll see. I think we'll probably get through it.
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